Jocko Willink 2 | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #236

today's guest it's his second time. coming in here and uh man this guy I. know he reminds me of like the. incredible incredible he reminds me. actually have a little bit like the dad. from The Incredibles I think I was gonna. say Incredible Hulk but he's more. evolved than that he is retired Navy. SEAL author and host of the Jaakko. podcast my friend Jaco willing.

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thing now where they'll have a skill. cream which is like you know a thing the. kids put the money in and they can you. know you do control and you can get a. lobster out and you try to win the. lobster like it said for real. yeah and use it like a shitty bar or. something it's not even like real yeah. so I spent like nine dollars everyone. over the airport I spent about nine I. was trying to get a lobster and then. here's the thing I finally got one. I had to go yeah I had to catch my. flight I can't you know I can't check.

this lob oh yeah you know a couple. different flavors now this was tropic. thunder yeah yeah this one you'll end up. in black they don't give to me can you. want to know why because it's really a. pina colada. oh right that's the flavor but I can't. you know Jocko can't be calling. something pina colada right little bit a. little shocked not what we're looking. for a little sake you've already came to. a lot of just call it Tropic Thunder and. you do people when they meet you expect.

you to be kind of violent the funny. thing is people meet me and they're like. you're not you know I'm 511 people meet. me I thought you were a lot taller. really it's an and then they and then. yeah so they they think I'm taller. because I'm only 511 and they think I'm. gonna be in black and white because I. always take pictures in black and white. that's a joke but no I mean so that's. what I think people I think when they. finally come up to me you know I'm. pretty laid back. yeah I'm not I'm not going crazy all the. time right some of the time yeah yeah do.

you feel like that you whenever you. started podcasting really because so. many people love your show do you feel. like that. in the beginning you were different than. you are now like it's that you were more. of an entertainer like I'm just. wondering what that journeys been like. for you at all honestly no I don't feel. like any different I'm just doing the. same kind of stuff I've always. doing I've always been doing what I'm.

doing what I'm doing right now but just. that now there's a window to it for. people to see what's going on and see. kind of life through my eyes right now. I don't it's hard you can't you and you. know the deal you can't be someone else. on a podcast for hundreds and hundreds. and hundreds of hours of talking yeah. play a role you know you just eventually. the real you is there and right so for. me I just always kind of been that's. just me yeah that's just me.

do you um do you still do you find is. you getting a little bit you know I know. that Jaco does an age but you know if. you looked at a calendar you've been. alive longer than you were last time I. saw you was maybe a year and a half ago. a year ago mm-hmm some like that yeah. you're one of our first guess I think. actually Nick wasn't he. he was very early on it was over a year. ago but we were nervous bro my search. provider grab good call.

I think this guy's coming if I make him. angry and you don't know what's gonna. happen could be the end this guys have. been drinking his own that's my thing. forget what I was even ask you man oh. there you go that's what you were. talking about your memory I listen to. your podcast today you were talking. about your memory failing quite a bit. yeah I think this Bono you were talking. about your emotional memory that's why. you keep making the same mistakes all. through some mistakes yeah see that's I. I think I have a good emotional memory.

really like locked why I remember what. that feels like I'm not doing that again. see [ __ ] eyes for some reason I forget. it's like it's yeah it's like that kid. with the stove kind of it's like yeah it. is don't I it's just like yeah I found. myself just running on the same circles. um yeah recent been trying to get a. little bit more into finding just. motivation mm-hmm because then at least. I'm like active in each I've been trying. to get more active into each into my. days day so then at least I'm like not. just like playing from behind all day I.

don't feel like if I active do you mean. like some kind of physical activity you. just mean more proactive in the way you. approach your day. both actually some more physical. activity instead of just thinking like. the second I think okay. for a gym where I should go to the run. or I should you know set get an. appointment for a train or you know I. know you don't have a trainer but you. couldn't even imagine with a whistle but. but yeah it's like I just go ahead and.

do it and then and then just to try and. approach us my day a little bit more. like just like okay I want to do this I. call it like going on offense instead of. being on defense you just go on offense. yeah I'm gonna make some stuff happen I. thinking about doing this and that's a. good attitude when you think about. something thinking about doing it just. go do it yeah don't waste time thinking. about even what you're gonna do at the. gym just go to the gym you can figure it. out when you get there or your trainer. can tell ya ya good my brain man it just. yeah once it gets into my brain that's. where it's not good you know it's like.

when I'm in action that's when yeah. everything will work out usually okay as. long as I get my action going you know. so yeah for recently it's just been just. something I guess I've been struggling. with is just finding that motivation so. but now I feel like I'm getting a little. bit more like alright let's just go you. know let's go let's get in motion and I. know it but sometimes it's like I'll. have learned a lesson and then it'll. just kind of fade away a little bit you. know and then off to or you know the. value like the new practices I have in.

my life sometimes they go by the wayside. and it's like I have to kind of. recalibrate yeah well I always tell. people you can't sit around waiting to. feet until you're motivated to do. something is if you sit around waiting. till you're motivated do something who. knows when that's gonna come it may come. but may not come yeah and you may only. come twice a week and if it only come in. twice a week that's that's a lot less. than you actually need so you don't wait. you don't like just put put the. discipline on you know you put the. discipline on yeah and when you wake up. you go do what you're supposed to do and. you the crazy thing is you speaking of.

emotional memory you know when you get. done you're gonna feel better like. that's a guarantee if you go to the gym. and you get your workout in or you do. whatever thing you know you're supposed. to do it's a guarantee that when you get. done you're gonna feel better so. remember that emotion right and and put. that thing into play so that you can. actually you know get done the way. you're supposed to yeah I wonder why. then sometimes like I'll know that I'll. know. how to help myself and sometimes I still. don't want to that's the whole world. right that's the whole world everyone.

you know what are you gonna. who wants to eat the broccoli instead of. the Twinkie right people like oh they're. they're gonna eat the Twinkie everybody. knows that it's bad form yeah they're. just what you you ever been to a. 7-eleven you know what do they sell it. there they don't sell Brock we've. careful they just sell candy straight. sugar mainlining sugar corn syrup get it. in the veins yeah and people are that's. all day that's what happens yeah so it's. not like you're you're different you're. in the same boat as everybody else yeah.

yeah and that's I guess that's a good. point like that's the boat you have to. get out of it's like it's not like. that's a if you're behaving that way. that you've been sentenced to that. that's the baseline yeah yeah did you. know no different than everybody else. right that's the baseline is that yeah. it's not like I'm [ __ ] man I'm not. making great decisions for myself most. people aren't yeah that's why there's a. difference between when we do when we. don't in the end and right and kind of. getting out of that really it's like a.

slumber I feel like it gets into all. once it starts to seep into one aspect. of my life it kind of starts to seep. around you know well the good thing is. is when you put some discipline in your. life that seeps around - yeah so when. you start doing things right you start. doing more things right right yeah I. mean it's classic right you have one of. those weekends we like you know what I'm. just I think I'm just gonna I'm just. gonna order a pizza well then so you. order that pizza. you know from wherever gray block that. gray block hitter yeah and you get the. triple cheese and you get the meat.

whatever yeah and your and so then you. just dive into that thing and you and. what does that do well that kind of you. think well since I did that. I'm not even to go for a run to rice I'm. just gonna kick back and then you know. you just start going down that I'm gonna. get ice cream I'm gonna do weed or. something yeah and then I don't watch my. children yes gonna call my mom you know. little decisions by when you say you. when you're like about to dial the. number and then you say you know what no. I'm just gonna make a make a salad right.

now and put a chicken in it yeah and. just eat that you mean. hmm and then you get down with that you. say you know I feel pretty good yeah oh. my god get a little run. get a little run done then you get a run. in yeah clean my [ __ ] car but that's. what happens so the little decisions. they build up so the the bad decisions. build up so that's what happens now. that's not an excuse to say okay now I'm. gonna make 28 bad decisions in a row. right what it is it's an indicator you. say oh I just made one bad okay stop. reset the pizza was good fine let's get.

back on the path what now that's a. mistake that people make yeah and by the. way that's a mistake that people can. make for like nine years it's funny um I. wonder as especially do you find as we. get into more of like an automated. almost an automated humanity in a way do. you feel like it's becoming harder for. people to make good choices for. themselves are they're up against like.

greater evils or do you have did you. ever have any thoughts like that or it's. still I suppose they're some of I mean. let's face it it's a lot more easier to. order a pizza than it is to go out and. Huck a spear Adam yeah yeah so so that's. definitely a difference and it's and. even today I mean you know you live in. LA I live in San Diego you could pretty. much get anything you want anything into.

your house in maybe two hours maximum. yeah so if there's some evil food that. you want to eat you can get it and it's. going to be delivered to your door so. that even the resistance you know some. people are like well you know I'd really. like to have but I'm not gonna get here. I'd really have a chocolate doughnut. right now but I don't want to go all the. way to maybe that maybe that saves some. people now that that saviours golf. because now they're just they're just on. their phone and they got chocolate.

doughnuts stacking up with the front. door so that could be a problem that. could be a problem do you so so if. that's starting to occur then then there. really is kind of becoming a line. between if we're gonna be strong enough. to make choices for ourselves or if. we're gonna. if we're gonna not you know like do you. think that or is that you think it's all. it's just still the same and there's. always been like you know back in the. day and maybe a duck would wander up to.

your door you'd like all never have any. duck you know and then a [ __ ] Mallard. lands you know when you're welcome and. you're like oh you know yeah I think we. also but I think we're more aware now of. the effects the negative effects of this. bad stuff you know cuz let's face it. when I was a kid and I was thirsty. probably the same as you when I was a. kid and I told my mom like I'm thirsty. she'd be like cool there's cokes in the. fridge yeah and I'd go drink three of. them right like no factor this was just. what it was. hey I'm hungry what am I going to eat a.

Snickers bar. yeah that would that was they had some. little motto Snickers satisfies that so. hey payday payday bar it was a help oh. yeah I was like hey this is good for you. which I didn't even really compute that. I was like it's food right foods good. for you so so we're more aware like even. my I got one daughter that's only ten. years old I mean she knows that she'll. like local there's a tonne of sugar in. this she's ten years old so I think. people are more aware I mean you know my.

parents uh it wasn't them being bad. parents right it was just that what was. going on but it was just what was going. on the the dang what what they called. funny bones have you ever had a funny. moment it was like chocolate called it. was like get up now it was kind of like. a Twinkie situation but it was chocolate. it had chocolate draped over it but then. they inside was a was creamy peanut. butter filling rule so you know you. could just you could and it wasn't.

nothing like the way I'd like to be. buried actually yeah it's not a bad deal. at least throwing a couple in there in a. coffin food funny bones right there. Drake's I couldn't remember that so yeah. my mom would buy you know like they got. the ten pack right there huh yeah my mom. will buy like three of those and just be. hey what are you gonna have for what do. you have for breakfast a funny bone. maybe three so I think even though. there's some things that make it easier. to be Oh less healthy nowadays right I. think at least we're aware of it. not we're not mainline in coca-cola in.

the morning yeah yeah I guess there is. it yeah remembering and his kids would. make that sound after after we drank it. was like that was like a big thing but. yeah getting a coke was and your parents. had Diet Coke and you thought that was. crazy like what [ __ ] creepy senior. Siffin that [ __ ] but yet so yeah it's. like I actually I'm pretty sure I. remember I think I remember a world. before Diet Coke actually there was. something called tab oh yeah it was. really had a very strange fun I think.

that was the first kind of diet soda. oh really yeah that I can remember cuz I. coke was just coke there wasn't any even. anything else it was yeah it wasn't coke. light and coke everything else it was. just coke yeah 97 coke yeah and they're. supposed to refresh you that's insane we. think about that but that's how it was. but yeah I guess I wonder if there was. any positives to it I mean sugars such a. killer sugar so how much care how much.

sugars in this zero. oh really yeah so what tastes good what. what's making your your sweetness up a. little bit oh it is is that there's. something called monk fruit in it which. is religious now it's it's something not. not very religious it's something like. you know eighty-seven thousand times. more sweet than sugar now though I don't. know what the numbers but it's something. like that so it's super sweet three. times softer than cotton yeah yeah yeah. but it's just it's a fruit and so we. just put a little bit of that in there. and it makes it taste weed and it tastes.

natural so yeah yeah it does it's pretty. smooth it so they're all go is jhaqo go. mm-hmm yeah and your kids after dinner. time yeah there's too much caffeine in. it for a kid there's ninety five. milligrams of caffeine if [ __ ] man yeah. yeah so are you gonna go are you gonna. go crazy now I don't wanna join the ROTC. no it's like the same as a cup of coffee. okay so would you guys um did you do. ROTC when you're younger no because that.

I remember there was this group of our. schools like ROTC know for sure nobody. told us first of all what it was right. which is a huge long. because suddenly after school do be. these kids running around school with. wooden gun did you like what is going on. yeah for me I wasn't into that part of. the military I wasn't into thinking hey. let's march around yeah I was into the. commando stuff so what I actually got in. trouble on the on the soccer team cuz I.

was leading runs and I was singing. Cadence's and I remember getting in. trouble for you know singing the cadence. of Ho Chi Minh is a son of a [ __ ] you. know which I was into that kind of thing. we all play in Ho Chi Minh you're like. oh it's us it's a goal it's a goal not a. foxhole yeah yeah so I would but we. didn't even have our two ROTC my score.

grew up in a really small town in New. England there was 85 people in my. graduating class wow it's really small. so so was it more the leadership then. that you was it I'm trying to figure out. like kind of pinpoint what it was and. was it bro do you remember when you were. a little kid like but pretending that a. stick was a gun oh yeah GI Joe oh that's. it man that's it and I that was just a. real strong feeling for me every kid. that's all we did yeah most of the kids. stopped doing that yeah I didn't Wow and. when people would when people would look.

and say oh the [ __ ] elbow crawling. across the graduation stage people see. somebody walking around with a briefcase. when you're a little kid and be like wow. that person like they're getting in a. Cadillac like oh that person's something. like powerful a banker or something. right and I'd never had that thought I. only thought whoa that guy's got a. machine gun or that guy's getting into a. tank yeah and that just was what I. always wanted to do Wow that's what I. said I just never stopped yeah yeah and. here you are mm-hmm we had so many uh.

wonderful questions that came in I just. want to get into some of them because. they'll lead us into some conversation. stuff too. sounds like you're out of cool good. questions oh no I'm not I'm not but. people had so many good ones it's. awesome. yeah it's really really we look over. there is that the deal yeah we'll just. look over here yeah. cool hey guys Jason here I just wanted. to reach out and say thank you for what. you guys are doing I do have a question.

it gotta fit both of you I'm gonna whew. I guess a podcast you guys are talking. about how you're gonna keep your. emotions right and keep them under you. know keep them under wraps if you will. I'm doing my best. I'm currently at 440 pounds I was. diagnosed with severe sleep apnea I. stopped breathing like 64 times an hour. which is insane yeah I'm a little. machine now so I'm getting that right. trying to get my eating right with the. Kido and the whole good thing but I've. had this peaks and valleys of how I've.

gone up and down with my weight. struggling with food so I guess you know. it might be a good person ask how do I. keep my emotions in check so I continue. to make good decisions and how can I. actually make this work so I make a. lifestyle change forever all right thank. eyes okay gang. I'm gonna run gang bruh and a life you. want to be able to live man I can't. imagine but you don't must feel trapped. I think at that weight yeah yeah but I. mean but motivated sounds motivated yeah.

it'd be real easy to think hey you're. trapped at that weight but man he's. alive he's on the right path right now. you know and I would say I always tell. this to people you you can't let your. emotions dictate what you're gonna do. well it's kind of conversation we just. had cuz I mean if you think about it. motivation is really just an emotion. yeah it's just an emotion you feel. really good and motivated you can't let. your emotions dictate your actions yeah. you've got to let your your logic. dictate your actions and hey it's not. gonna feel good every day I just this. morning I I didn't feel like working out.

I was sore I've been working it hard for. the last few days I did not feel like. working out at all and I went down there. and I went through the motions and and. you know what you know people say you're. just going through the motions I was. like yes I was but that's better than. not going through the motions because I. got down there I did the work but wasn't. the best workout I've ever had no. records were broken. nothing was crazy but I went down there. and did what I'm supposed to do there. was no motivation involved whatsoever. zero right I was unmotivated I was.

motivated to to just. Mogul into bed yeah but no you gotta get. up so don't let your don't let your. emotions dictate it and peaks and. valleys guess what that's what life is. yeah life you're gonna have you're gonna. have times when you feel good you can. have times when you feel bad and you. can't let those things be so broad span. so you can't let those Peaks be so high. in those valleys be so low that it. throws you off course when I feel down.

it's like okay you know what that's. gonna pass yeah and the way you make it. pass is through action it's what you. just said yeah you said you know what I. get going that's what I'm good. that's the same thing to Jason hey Jason. if you're not feeling like it you know. what do what Theo does just get stop. that stop the thinking about it and just. go in little for the walk go get on the. treadmill get whatever exercise you're. gonna start doing start doing it and the. other thing is look man this is a long. war this isn't a battle that you're. gonna fight one day two days you're in a. campaign yeah in a campaign World War.

two four years of combat to get where. you want to go maybe seven years maybe. eight doesn't it does I don't know but. part of you don't have to think if only. it could be at the end I mean enjoy. where you're at right now yeah I know it. sounds crazy but you know you said to. hang trapped in man you're lucky you're. lucky you know I got friends that have. been so severely wounded ya know they. can't go for them they lost their legs. they lost their arms and lost their. vision whatever hey man you're you're.

you're good to go. you good to go go out yeah and like you. said live yeah I think it. I mean it's yeah I mean it's that's it. it's like you you got to keep you have. to get moving you know you have to get. it's just it's so funny man because. that's one thing that I think in the. past year that I've definitely had an. easier time with is when I don't feel. good even its recently man knowing. really starting to know at a real level. not just like hearing and hoping but.

knowing that that that will pass that. though how I'm feeling is not always. real some of us are you know it's just. like we just have may be thicker. emotions or deeper emotions you might. have bigger highs and bigger lows. but it's almost like nobody told us in. the beginning like hey how you feel. isn't exactly what's going on sometimes. like yeah you might feel like [ __ ] but. you just like you just keep going you. know. and yeah the unmotivated it's funny it's. like when I'll go to the gym and. something I don't want to or when I'll. go for a run once I get to about eight.

minutes and you start to hit that sweat. a little bit about seven and a half. minutes that's when I start to actually. start to almost feel ashamed of myself. sometimes for even feeling good a little. bit because I was so set on like oh I'm. gonna have such a shitty you know oh I'm. gonna show myself I'm gonna have a. shitty time I'm gonna have a shitty day. and then I'll get kind of moving and. stuff and I'm like [ __ ] man I'm almost. enjoying myself a little bit you know. what's you know I'm thinking about right. now because people always ask well how. did you get this way you like to me oh. yeah and as I'm sitting here thinking. about one of the things that you got.

obviously got bit by an American Eagle. know it's think about this so when I was. in the SEAL Teams and as I moved through. my career I moved into leadership. positions right well when I was in. leadership positions you can't you can't. be moping around because if your guys. see you moping around or being negative. they're gonna react they're gonna follow. you right they're gonna they're gonna. take the way your actions are so at some. point pretty early I realized oh if I.

act like that everyone's gonna act like. that so I can't act like that. so if I don't feel like doing something. the last thing I'm gonna do is say hey. guys oh man I don't feel like doing no I. would never let those words X in my. mouth and by the way in the SEAL Teams. that's kind of the way it is you know no. one's like no one will admit to uncle. hey I'm cold right now. you never hear you never hear someone. say I'm cold can I borrow your jacket. yeah it's better for you it's better to. freeze right yeah or hey I'm tired no. one's gonna say that so that's where you.

get you realize and so then when you. power through it and you power through. it over and over and over again you. realize you know what my emotions as you. said they're not real yeah they're not. they're not they don't have to impact. the way I'm actually going to act yeah. Jason that's a muscle it really is a. muscle it's like it really is a muscle. of breaking through that little barrier. it's so thin too that barrier if I'm not. gonna do this it's so it's crazy because. it feels so heavy sometimes but it's so. it's so thin man. and it changes like you know like I'll.

and then the rest of my day is always. better but always better I try to. explain that to people all the time even. though it sucks to leave your pillow in. the morning the rest of your day will. absolutely be better and you're right. that little barrier the hardest part. about the hardest part about the gym is. going just get in there that's the. hardest part yeah the hardest part about. not eating whatever sort of crap is. sitting for bag of Cheetos the the is. sitting there if you just take and throw. it away and just walk away you'll be. fine you won't think about it you're not.

gonna be thinking about it for an hour. right how long how long if you just. throw that bag of cheetos we're not. gonna be like in your journal not. despondent dear chester yeah yeah sorry. what happened yeah i'm just moving on. yeah good so put yourself somewhere else. throw the Cheetos as far as you can. throw them yeah walk away walk away. Jason is what's interesting is you. really your life has set you up with the. real you've got a journey in front of. you kind of which is kind of cool. mm-hmm it's kind of cool to have you're.

at war yes you have a mission yeah. that's awesome it's pretty cool yeah. because a lot of a lot of life sometimes. it's just you're not finding your war. sometimes you know some of it is um you. know some of that aimlessness sometimes. uh but you've got it man and I think. yeah that emotional part is is just. don't believe those feelings sometimes. because we all have them I mean I think. one of Jacko's skills or one of his you.

know skills besides being a beverage. entrepreneur it's actually pretty like. scare I got the recruiters inbound if I. one more sip somebody's gonna parachute. into the ceiling but part of one of his. things that he seems to have really. mastered is not letting that first voice. have be the loudest you know and having. your own voice against that.

[Music]. good luck Jason man maybe check in why. don't can we check back in with Jason. maybe absolutely and just kind of and. just see what's going on because I would. even love to know you know how. how you move forward like what happens. emotionally you no matter what direction. you're kind of going in with your you. know with some of your choices if you. know what's making you feel down or or. or what's making you feel up you know we. had one question I know about tapping. out do we have that one yes I do.

all right I want to know from Jocko and. their I love you boy you're my boy feel. but I want to know well quick he things. can be able to tap you out just cuz I. think you'd be kind of interesting I. think some other people will want to. know too but you're still my boy oh I. [ __ ] love you bro but uh how quick do. you think how good does Jocko think he'd. be able to tap you out and then also do. you think you'd be able to tap him out. like if you did like bath salts or. something I know that [ __ ] has people. feeling just being with loopy bro that's.

my question. dang man that's a good question dude. have you ever trained jujitsu before I. mean I've trained like I've had you know. I've chased like a small animal around. the house have you ever changed you know. I have no yeah that's gonna be a problem. okay yeah it's gonna be a problem it's. not it wouldn't take very long okay no. it wouldn't take very long what do you. think you three man and this is the. thing man is I always try to explain to. people it's not because I'm a badass at. all right it's because it's because I. train for a really long time so what. like sport are you really good at.

probably outdoor activities probably. good sport bro sorry probably basketball. okay so let's say you and I were let's. say I never played basketball ever in my. life right and you and I played. one-on-one and how long how would I do. you think I'd even score one single. basket I bet you'd score one based on. some of your abilities okay so one. single basket and you beat me eleven to. one yeah right so in jiu-jitsu it's the. same thing I just know I know the game. you don't know the game at all and so it.

would be really easy it'd be really easy. not just for me but anyone that trains. you Jitsu what do you think three four. minutes probably just tap you out yeah. no no no what if I was wearing like a. real slippery suit or something that. might gain you a little bit of time but. we're talking sub but one minute unless. you're yeah yeah. what if it's windy yeah. before I'm good in the wind you've. trained before ago right you've trained. I wasn't okay then that that's where. that that's where that little little.

hesitation because that's what's amazing. about it same thing when I first trained. elbows when I first trained I just. graduated from SEAL training Jesus and I. thought I was the bird yeah and I was 19. years old. I was you know you just got done the. most elite training in the world and all. this stuff at 19 yeah and so this this. old master chief like the oldest guy I'd. ever seen Jesus he was probably like 40. I was looking at my grandpa you're like.

nothing Oh [ __ ] with the drivers last. so he goes he goes you know who wants to. learn how to fight and I'm like me yeah. so he brings us out bring us on the mat. and just lined up there's like five of. us new guys and he tapped us all out. damn less than a minute each and that's. what it is. that's what jujitsu is that's why people. that's why that's why people talk about. it a lot because when it first happens. to you you can't even believe it so you.

and immediately when you get tapped out. for the first time when you're 19 years. old and you're like ah yeah I can take. anybody Oh cuz I don't know yeah exactly. you're just pouring shots of your own. urine oh yeah there may be of us getting. after that urine oh yeah I don't have a. core brother gives a [ __ ]. but 19 year old piss is [ __ ] you know. it's just actually I do you ready I like. where you're at but you're not really.

there scientifically so yeah that's what. happens you you just don't know and. jujitsu is a really powerful powerful. thing and you should go train some time. you know I really want to go train and I. need to go train up and try and what. I've been focusing on this you've been. saying that for a while now well one of. my fears is that uh I'm not flexible. enough that has nothing to do with. anything it has nothing to do with you. not training I have people that come to. my gym that start start jujitsu when. they're 52 years old Wow or 43 years old.

or whatever it doesn't matter you can. get in there and you can train be. careful you know you don't want to try. with like some 19 year old kid that's. been training for like six months right. that's all crazy right that is nothing. to lose don't don't go with him because. he's gonna he's gonna take your arm and. put it on his wall at home and yeah so. watch out for that guy but other than.

that if you find some people that we're. gonna relax and be cool and yeah you. should definitely start trying to in. jujitsu yeah I think you should do is. stretch I mean I hope you had one like. some kind of stretching protocol that's. a no-no yeah no sir why no why cause. stretching is so unsatisfied yeah I find. it so unsatisfying um if there's the the. the Achilles heel the Achilles heel for. me or just the thing that I really don't.

like doing even though I know it's been. officials I don't like stretching a lot. yeah so cuz there's just you just don't. you don't get done you don't arrest said. when you always feel better. yeah there's less of that feeling when I. get done I don't I'm not walking around. like yo I just got done stretching out. look how far up like a reason I don't do. that so that's why stretching but yeah. if you got a bad back you should. definitely there's protocols you can do. that'll definitely help your back out. for sure for sure yeah no I think I. think maybe it is time man I think I. need some stuff that makes me feel yeah.

I think just that kind of I think I. could recently I realize I need to put. more things into my life that are just. fun you know exciting just new. adventures that keep me kind of like. motivated and keep me doing things like. sometimes all I even do is just either. podcasters do stand-up comedy and it's. great but it's not like sometimes adding. to my experience yeah I loved you Jitsu. because it's always you can always get. better you always get tangled up you. always get tapped out by somebody it's. always evolving that's what makes it.

that's one of the things that makes it. really cool is just how much it evolves. all the time and it's you don't ever. feel like I got this you never feel like. that you always feel like I could get a. little bit better yeah I like that. here's a guy that has something to say. do max for Mississippi. Jaakko what was the light hunt for the. first time with John deadly Tamara. Haynes Joe Rogan Andy stump. yeah man just got back from a hunt up in. northern Utah al hunt and I mean you.

couldn't really ask for a better crew of. people as you heard he just rattled off. yeah I don't know mr. Dudley but Haynes. is very intense he loves to hunt you. know the upman Dudley's the same way and. then Rogan he loves to hunt and then. Andy Stumpf loves to hunt as well it was. my first time going bow hunting and yeah. it was awesome it was just awesome from. the whole experience was awesome how. nice was the place you guys went was it. a nice place it was a nice place and.

that's that's another thing so just to. clarify and and people there's no. there's like you know how in different. parts of the world different things in. the world there's like a different. there's like a little subculture in. there right yeah so like you're a. comedian and I'm sure there's people. that are like well you know you got such. good deal cuz you got to this thing and. people look down on these so there's all. that stuff I don't really know too much. about it but you know we got I got the. luck and the blessing of going on a.

really awesome hunt okay it's something. called private land right which means. not everyone can go hunt there so. there's more animals in there is if you. do something called a public hunt right. so public hunt is like you're out there. and anybody can hunt there right maybe. there's an animal maybe there's not say. there's somebody on drugs maybe. somebody's yeah man yeah so you might go. out for 5 8 10 days you might not even. see unanimity animal that you're hunting. for so I got really lucky really blessed.

to to be tied in with this group and and. go out there and the hunt was awesome. the whole experience was awesome. there's something very primal right. about going for going hunting kind of. like for me it's like jiu-jitsu I would. say there's something primal about doing. jujitsu right like you're fighting you. know when you were a little kid and you. you and your friends will just get. sticks and put on helmets and just go to. war with each other right. that's what we used to do and that's.

what kid that's what little boys do that. right right so there's something primal. and instinctive about just war right. same thing with hunting so you're out. you're stalking you're sneaking around. it has a lot of correlations to my old. job being in the Navy where you're. you're trying to be quiet. we're setting up tactics you're you're. trying to maneuver on these animals. yeah just like you'd be maneuver on the. enemy you got a raccoon under a. spotlight you like tell us what you know. recycling bin.

yeah so that was awesome and you know. going up there it was really nice for me. because I'm very busy all the time I've. always got stuff going on and we got out. there and like the internet didn't even. it worked like there was one little hill. you could go over we'd get a internet. for for three minutes but I just because. of that I just said you know I'm just. gonna shut this thing off so it's really. nice for me to be up there and and then. you have one mission you know and that's.

what's cool about that's one of the best. things about my old job you got one. mission Wow you go on deployment you. pack up your bags you leave the world. behind and you have one mission and that. is to close with and destroy the enemy. take care of your guys that's what. you're doing so that's what this that's. what that's my first experience of. hunting was okay my I'm disconnected. from the outer world and I have one. mission so it was awesome. interesting it was just a big.

personality I mean those are like a big. you know that's a unique group that your. way oh yeah it's a it's the thing is I. mean all that all those guys are just. great guys yeah you know I've known I've. known Joe Rogan for a while and people. oh yeah I'm sure people ask you what's. he really uh yeah what's he really yeah. it's like he's like just exactly what. you see is what you get yeah he's super. nice guy the same thing with I mean. Dudley has invested personally in like. he wanted me to get in hunting yeah gave.

me a bone again this is where it sounds. crazy that I could be so lucky in my. life that one of the best archery. hunters in the world would say hey I. want you to get an archery here's a. bow let me teach you campaigns you know. campaigns same thing he was super cool. debriefing me on stuff and then my buddy. Andy Stumpf which you know Andy and I we. worked together a little bit in the SEAL. Teams but you know I just being out. there with one other SEAL yeah we have. we just have a connection that you know.

I you know you can only have with that. Brotherhood so hey man it was just it. was awesome I look to doing it again and. for me you know you talked about getting. in this new stuff for me it was totally. new I never shot a bow and arrow before. and and then I had the opportunity to to. train and then go out and do it so yeah. it was awesome I appreciate I appreciate. everyone that I just mentioned in that. group yeah just great guys was the. experience where you um when you're so. when you're getting directions like on. something you've never done.

how is that for you like coming from a. place where it's like you know you were. you know you're used to having a good. knowledge base of what's going on in. your field do you find yourself to be a. pretty good student do you find yourself. having a tough time being us I'm I'm all. ears man yeah no problem I have no. problem at all saying look I have no. idea you know tell me what to do tell me. what to do from the get-go there's no. problem at all with that how'd you find. the Bohanon was it pretty tricky or did. you find it was yeah no it's definitely. tricky. it's definitely tricky how long can you. shoot a detoxes you just [ __ ] uncle. Rico in that [ __ ] over the mouth yeah.

it'd be like you know are like way up in. you know really good on a cube has been. an Anytime Fitness for a couple hundred. years firing that thing obviously the. better the better you are the further. range you can go you know so but I would. say the average normal hunter is. probably trying to go 50 something. meters you know something like that. is around you know that's that's that's. me well yeah there's try out trying to. get to that's a little video of me. trying to get tuned up before I and did.

you find like did you start to notice. that you lost is it a really fine line. between like how accurate you can be and. the amount of strength you're using and. stuff like that or it's not really a. strength thing it's it's technique you. know so this you can't like just say. anything man. just like anything I mean jiu-jitsu is. not about strength right that's. it's perfectly never been rock climbing. before oh yeah like rock climbing is so.

much technique so much and and you think. oh you know cuz I can do like like. Frances I can do a lot of pull-ups I do. a lot of pull-ups I could see that and. you think oh you know you can just grab. on the rocks and climb no no no there's. so much technique involved that you have. to learn the technique just like. basketball just like playing guitar you. have to practice you have to learn the. technique and that's the same thing with. archery and then you just have to do it. over and over again like shooting a gun. you got to do it over and over again you. got to keep those reps in did you find. that as though as the week progressed.

the time you guys were out there that it. got easier for you and did you find you. well we weren't shooting a bunch we were. patrolling through the woods you know. and that was cool again I was out with. John Dudley who's a master hunter I'm. just and it's it's awesome because. you're on patrol and I keep calling it. on patrol but yeah I suppose it's called. we were hunting and we're walking but. for me my mind I was on patrol Oh hail. you know so it was good what's that oh. you're like oh that Bisons from China. like I shoot yeah yeah.

dude imagine sneaking a jinglebell out. there with you that would ruin everybody. five you'd have to be real quiet yeah. yeah no we want to bring your jingle. bells out there even one will shake the. world up on a hunt gotta be careful that. yeah yeah I don't know about you guys. but I lost eleven dollars last week. playing yeah gambling but that's a good. thing is you know I laid a couple. parlays laid a few bets you know and I.

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suggestions and stuff we just wanted to. check in with him we thought it would be. a just kind of a neat moment for him for. sure okay cool. we're gonna call him right now then. Colin will come if he goes hopefully has. a job he got off in five East Coast time. he's a traffic oh hey we'll hey well I.

was with Sean what's up man is the CEO. how are you yeah you got that Oh spring. rocking back there huh. you got that plebeian bleep I think they. call him dude I just wanna I wanted to. say thanks for reaching out a while back. I know you were thinking that you know. you were you know you had the kid on the. way and and we had Jocko willing uh you.

know we we had him offer up a video of. some suggestions and stuff and then I. have Jocko here in studio so I just. wanted I wanted to just kind of follow. up and see how fatherhood is going for. you and Jacko's got a couple of. enlistees that have come out of his own. road them I guess to say the least yeah. I'll let my daughters know how's it. going over there what's up man oh good. man what's up Jack are you doing I'm.

doing awesome how about you I'm good. first of all say thanks for calling Theo. thanks for calling Jocko I'm really. nervous to do this dude I'm nervous too. bro you don't at least want to sit by. Jacopo it's a cat nerve-wracking bro. it's like being in every high school. class you've ever been in all at once. forever and a teacher it doesn't bug it. just wants to strangle you dude I was. nervous very scary to me and I helium I.

gained two pounds of muscle mass look at. his Instagram a couple of weeks ago. [Laughter]. but no Jocko wouldn't know how them feel. how's it going it's going really good. it's really rewarding. I mean I'm loving it she's she's my. world so I mean obviously I'm very. nervous to do this so you might have to. ask me more questions to get me going. are you getting any sleep yeah I'm.

getting plenty of sleep I mean I think. people make being a father parent out to. be way harder than it actually is. I like it so far it's been it's been. easy I mean like it's just a baby. there's uh like all you really do is you. caught a little cedar chain your diaper. and you know that's it you just make. sure she doesn't die yeah well I mean.

sounds like you're keeping her alive so. we got that going for us. because know what were some of your. fears like and what have some of your. fears gone away since the babies come. into the world like what's some of that. experience been like oh absolutely. um before I was just really worried. about I don't know just providing for. and and just being a good dad because. like I said in the original calling my.

dad wasn't there like I was afraid maybe. when I met her that I would be just like. him and just like just get out of the. get out of her life but I always had. this feeling that like I could be a good. dad but I just wasn't sure so I mean. after having her it's just been super. easy it feels super natural and I don't. know I mean my fears have kind of gone.

away entirely honestly like I everything. is so much better. well that's like many things in life we. build up the fears in our own head and. once we actually get put in the position. you realize hey there's not that much to. be afraid of and you can proceed on and. Ravin a great job man that's awesome -. he. yeah it's pretty powerful man and think. that you know that your life was or your. childhood some of it has been one way. and then to think that you are gonna. have a new experience with your own kid. that's it's real powerful to hear that I.

feel like yeah yeah thank you man I. think you should add one Thea I think. you have a kid because Jesus man I. probably think about taking care of a. plant that's taking care of a kid by an. orchid orchid with a strong heartbeat. yeah same thing.

yeah nick has a question for you well. Nick so you were worried about the. implications for your girlfriend you. said she had a bright future in front of. her either she was in law school or. metal medical school um do you guys have. you kind of made a plan where she can. continue on and down that path do you. have that figured out yeah so originally. she was going to UMass Amherst oh yeah. yeah a lot of chicks put out over here. I'll tell you that's the truth bro oh.

sorry sorry not her I'm not her not her. obviously you know but is the one with. them yeah sorry so you're kind of. nevermind why don't you guys finish this. question an answer sorry yeah how are. you feeling about yeah the concerns you. had for your for your baby mama well. obviously that was my my second main. concern behind the baby like I just kind. of felt like I ruined their life but you. got someone pregnant and that they have.

all these big things coming ahead but. yeah we made plans like she she starting. nursing obviously it's not med school. but she did have to drop out of UMass to. go to a local community college which is. it still bothers me but you know we're. really happy so I think everything just. kind of fell into place and we're making. plans like she's doing nursing I'm. finishing up my degree it's just yeah I.

mean it's cool. I feel bad about it but it worked out. yeah it sounds like it's working. positively nursing is a great job man. having a and plus she gets a couple. credit hours high for nursing that baby. you know what I'm saying. blowing milk into that little we should. send him some of this yeah we definitely. shared Oh. Jocko has a new drink out that you can. nurse as well so we'll send you some of. it it's actually really really good. brothers pineapple coconut I might [ __ ]. every lab there's some caffeine in it.

yeah it's like a little little mind a. little mine I've got back working out. you can step it up oh yeah we singing a. little bit of this mind blast but dude. that's awesome and it sounds exciting it. sounds like you're definitely more in a. position of what would you say well. what's cool to me is look you have the. vision of what the path of your life is.

gonna be like right everyone's got this. vision of what it's gonna be like and. the chances of you actually being able. to stay on that path are next to none. and if every time you get pushed off the. path a little bit you just surrender. well that's where that's where you end. up you know in horrible place but what. you did and you're setting a great. example for other people you and your. girl have said look we had we had this. path laid out oh we're gonna we just got. pushed off the path big time. yeah but guess what we're not. surrendering we're just readjusting the.

path we're taking a little detour we're. gonna get back on eventually but the. journey is still awesome so that's what. that's what life is about man nothing. comes easy and you're gonna look back. and you're gonna be able to tell your. little girl hey this is what we did to. bring you up and and we use the. sacrifice we made it it was worth every. second so what you're doing is awesome. what your girls doing is awesome and the. the end result will be infinitely better. and more rewarding than it would have. been had you just had everything served.

up to you on a silver platter like you. would like you had originally thought. okay yeah you know what's funny will you. have obviously you haven't been. listening to this whole episode because. it's not even out yet but Jocko and I've. been sitting for about 40 minutes. talking about stuff and a lot of it's. been just now how some of our back. and even I struggle with this a lot but. how some of our behaviors once we start. to set some new good behaviors for. ourselves how it will influence the next. behavior we do so yeah I mean like. pattern yeah yeah like just yeah so the.

next thing that comes along for you do. it I can't after this is probably gonna. be a damn cakewalk bro you're gonna have. [ __ ] you know funny bones on your. feet you can have sugar on your shoes. brother it's gonna be a cakewalk. so it's not I heard this quote the other. day I think it was Bill Belichick he was. talking about something like let's not. just have a good day let's have a good. week let's have a good month and like. just building those patterns and those. steps so that really spoke to me and. like everything Jocko is saying and and. what you're saying like when Jocko was.

just speaking I got the chills because. like exam and like that's inspirational. very I like a lot about yeah I took a. lot of what he said the first time and. and just now like it's it's pretty. unbelievable when you reach out and you. hear these things. well because yeah I mean I have some of. the same fears of my own life of having. children that sort of thing so it's all. kind of full circle dude we're all out. here just trying our best and stuff like.

that but but thanks so much for calling. in man and yeah you'll definitely get. any sleep after we send you a case of. this Jacko's energy yeah that's true man. it's going pretty good I've had half of. a cigarette in two weeks so are you. lying to me. nope I'm not not feel good man I feel.

pretty good man dude you know you should. have had you should have had a cigar. with Bill burr cuz yeah that dude trust. me wrong. he already burnt me at a couple of my. ends so I don't need nothing else. getting lit up in this room dude after. he spoke to me but he was in here. what up what do you have for me jack oh. thanks so much you will for uh for for. answered otter sounds beautiful.

oh dude she is actually sent your. producer her little Instagram my. girlfriend man Instagram for so if you. want to look at pictures of babies then. you got a balding mole just like I'm in. I'm in brother dude she's got them all. post a nice picture of her mullet dude. she might even meet your kid I don't. know anything's possible. yeah hey I wrote a bunch of kids books.

I'll send you out some kids books for. them for the little baby yeah and. actually one of the one of them says. right on the front where there's a will. mm-hmm mm-hmm pretty cool will man be. good dude we'll check in oh yeah there. she is right there baby Allah she is. pretty and she does have a mommy honor. yeah a lot of them that's very. unattractive but this baby pretty hot. I mean attractive doing do you wouldn't.

you and producer Nick dude producer Nick. last night use love and pictures of. Harry I think he liked every single one. gonna be and obviously he died soon. right I told will I wasn't following. back he DM me from this baby's account I. was like will man be good dude will sing. you some of this stuff man and uh and. we'll check in we'll check in on you and. I and baby Ileana sounds good man thanks. for all you're doing.

thanks Jocko no problem brother all. right stay strong cheers brother. yep man that's pretty cool huh that is. awesome that is awesome that's crazy cuz. he called me was like he didn't he was. like worried and then you hear the baby. in the background you're like that's a. live grenade bro you're scared huh yeah. I get pretty scared there's a lot of. responsibilities that word you're scared. of you think let me think about it for a. second so I can't really feel what I'm. scared about I think I'm scared not. Brett met the right girl I just don't.

know I just don't know if I want my life. to change that much sometimes if I'm. ready. Oh. 2:39 cool you know part of that but then. part of it like yeah I just think about. what am I scared of man because I I just. want to get it right because I think. about it sometimes like yeah I mean the.

look on your face when you heard that. your eyes got big like just wait. flashback yeah like somebody just made. their own little Jurassic Park I just. don't know how I'm ready yeah judging by. the look on your face my answer is. negative give it a little bit more time. yeah I think but I think um I think I. want to be a good parent. I think if sometimes I could you and I. don't know if this is a negative way to. think about it I could use a child cause. sometimes I think it would give because.

I like to care about other people it. would give me something to care about. plus plus your dad was like 87 when he. had you yeah yeah so yeah okay I got all. kinds of time what are you talking about. Jocko over here on the on the slow roll. will make this happen when it happens. no factor my mom my dad was 38 years. older so if I see like a nine-month old. you know even baby Ileana I'm not. hitting on her but I do want to know. what her work ethic is like you know I.

want to know what kind of woman you see. some potential oh yeah I'm the line yeah. I'm thinking down the line Rosie. so that's pretty crazy uh we have we. have some more a couple of more good. questions that came in let's do it. hey how's it going this is Jace from. Herman Utah hey quick question for Jocko. by the way it's my dog Jocko named Matt. for you it's a cool name the answer word.

because it's not anything else so there. you have it anyway. Jocko from listening to your podcast and. just some of the podcasts you've been on. it seems to me as if you may be a little. bit emotionally detached as well as. very self-critical I find these two. traits in myself to be very prevalent my. question is do you find that to be a. benefit or detriment in your life.

but on the personal side I find it. difficult sometimes to relate to my. spouse my kids my friends my family. because I just simply do not understand. where they're coming from on an. emotional level so my question is do you. feel this way or have you figured out. the balance between the two anybody be. great appreciate it thank you guys for. everything you do. Thanks good question huh. this is a good question yeah yeah um you.

know I definitely know this sounds like. I'm a crazy person or whatever but yeah. I try and keep control over my emotions. as we've been talking about this whole. time right like I'm not gonna fly off. the handle you know I I don't yell at. people I don't know don't are getting. big arguments with my wife in fact I. don't really even argue with my wife you. know right like hey if she's getting. emotional about something cool I just I. just like accept the emotions trying to. absorb a little bit and then figure out.

how I can deescalate the situation you. know what I mean like that's that seems. to be the smart thing to do I don't. think I'm too emotionally detached I. mean I I if if you listen to my podcast. all the time you can hear sometimes I. get very emotional when I'm on there. because I'm I'm having memories of my. friends or things like that and and yeah. I'll get I'll get very emotional at. times I won't let it get out of control. you know but so I don't think I'm too. emotionally detached and and then the.

other thing is being self-critical I you. know I'm definitely critical of myself. but I think I've found a good balance. there so so what does that look like I. mean how do we how do we measure that if. you're just constantly beating yourself. down yeah that is not positive so what. am I going to be self-critical I will. look at myself being so critical myself. that it's causing a negative reaction be. you're being too self-critical so. balance it out a little bit you know. you're you've got to live your life so I.

always look at all these things. and same thing when you talk about not. relating to your family or whatever and. I just told the guy this on on Twitter. you know guys I K I'm having a hard time. relating with my family I'm trying to. get after it I'm trying to you know be. my best and they're not you know they. they don't get it and I'm like hey man. it's not about you. the world doesn't revolve around you. yeah you you got a family cool you need. to you need to adapt your life around.

your family here's something interesting. that I said the other day like I've. written a bunch of books I wrote. probably 95% of the pages in all my. books when every single person in my. family was asleep you see what I'm. saying yeah I didn't I didn't sit there. and hey everyone leave me alone cuz I'm. trying to do this I work out in the. morning guess what no one's awake in my. family when I'm working out in the. morning like in the world so so I. sacrifice things so that I can be there.

and and do what I got to do for my. family so I see so that's your journey. that's a your journey and now and what. you're doing you they don't need to. conflict right right I don't demand that. everyone is on board the same bus that. I'm on board. yeah hey oh I'll take I get on the bus. before I get on my bus and then I Drive. where I'm going and then when my little. you know when my aunt my oldest daughter. wasn't ballerina Jesus you know what.

that is. okay yeah I've heard of that yeah yeah. yeah that's not my thing. right that's not I'm not into that but I. went to some damn recital and I wasn't. how close I could see you like 200 yards. away oh but knock I can't make it to. recital I got a workout tonight I wasn't. doing that I was like oh cool we're. going on the recital let's watch the. kids and of course a little bit critical. sometimes could I be like what did they. learn yeah how did that help but peers.

was bloody my my daughter that was a. ballerina got more injuries. you know psycho ballet is saying it's. she got my injuries from ballet then my. other daughter did from wrestling. and gymnastics so it's a it's a tough. sports a highly and that's what I that's. what I realized I said hey you know what. she likes it it's highly disciplined. they're super strict she used to come. home I used to have to you ever seen.

those things those like massage things. that you roll out it's like little. little little rollers on a stick. yeah yeah and she would come she's like. 12 years old 12 years old she'd be like. can you roll out my god she'd be sitting. there with tears coming I'd be rolling. those things out because that's trying. to prevent and is you nine feet tall no. she probably got three yeah so so that's.

the thing all right I'm not making the. world this is the thing the world is not. about you right so you're not. sacrificing the other things that you. have to do in your other. responsibilities hey occasionally I know. what I mean occasionally it's like hey. you know maybe I don't need to watch 14. recitals in a row right because you know. the kids will do the play or whatever. and they show it night whatever six. nights not going to six nights look I'll. be there at the Nutcracker Suite Rollo. and father drosselmeier's and the bills.

exactly but I think part do you think. though that your your mentality cuz you. have to have some elements of you know. you have to have I think probably more. like grrrrrr then you know do you think. that it's tough sometimes to has is it. tough to manage I think maybe and I'm. not saying that's not what he's asking. you but I'm just saying like here's the. thing what could he be struggling with.

you know he said it at the end he said. the word balance right right I wrote. that book right there called the. dichotomy leadership there you you have. to balance all these different things in. your life so so as a leader right as a. leader as a leader you gotta you got to. communicate with your people obviously. right can you communicate too much with. your people do you think you can yes oh. yes you absolutely begin where they. stopped listening to you if they can you. communicate not enough yes you can now. they don't know what's going on you got. to be somewhere in the middle. you know everyone looks me goes wrong.

you're super hyper aggressive right yeah. you have to be aggressive as a leader. yeah you do cuz you gotta make things. happen can you be too aggressive oh yes. you can. yeah can you be not aggressive enough oh. yes you can so where do you have to be. you have to be in the middle you have to. be in the middle and so it's the same. thing with your with your personal life. I talk about this all the time if if I'm. okay I want to I want to build my. business whatever it is I want to do my. job and the reason I'm doing that is I. still so I can make more money if I make. more money I can can provide for my. family. so I'm doing this for my family so I'm.

gonna work 89 hours a day then you look. up in six months you look up in a year. you don't have a family anymore. right they don't know who you are so you. went too far the other side of the. spectrum is you're like well I can't do. any overtime today because I gotta I. gotta go to the recital and the the. practice recital log won't be here. tomorrow either and now you look up in. six months or a year and you don't have. a job and you can't provide so what do. you have to do you have to find the. balance you have to find the balance. with how critical you are of yourself. you have to find the balance of how.

detached you're gonna be if you get to. you talked about being emotionally. detached can you be too emotionally. detached absolutely you can you looking. at your kids like with a stone cold face. all the time they can't connect with you. not just your kids if you work for me if. we were in a seal platoon together which. I know is an unlikely scenario but if we. want to seal platoon together and all I. did was was no connection just said hey. here's what here's what the next mission. just go do it after a while you're like. this guy doesn't care about me right so. you're not gonna want it you're not. gonna put forth the extra effort so one.

of the most important things that you. have to do with the people you work with. up and down the chain of command is form. a relationship with them same thing with. your family if you're not forming a good. relationship and maintaining a good. relationship with your family you're. gonna look up you're not gonna have a. family anymore and that's not good so. with everything that we're talking about. in life you have to maintain balance you. have to when you get out of balance and. you'll feel it you'll feel it when you. feel it when you feel like oh my wife. doesn't want me to go to jujitsu again.

tonight you don't have to think my wife. doesn't ever want me to do jujitsu again. you could say oh I have to ease back a. little bit. I got a maybe if I'm gonna go I got to. spend a little bit of extra time in the. morning or. again you gotta find the balance you. don't have to go extreme one way or the. other and that's what a lot of people do. they go extreme in one direction and. then anyone that's in their way they mow. them down and that is not the long-term. results of that is never good yeah yeah. and I think leadership as well as. leading you're leading it's not just you.

you know with leadership hundred percent. it's a group yeah you're there's more. than just you involved we in the long. run if you're like this is what's cool. so this is kind of weird a guy asked me. a little while ago he says he's a guy. that we have a big event a leadership. event we do it like two or three times a. year and people come and this one guy he. helps us out with it so I see him every. time we do one these a really good guy. he's got his own business real really. good guy and he follows what I do when.

he sees that I'm right in 14 books and. 97 podcast and all the stuff I'm doing. and he goes you know I've been watching. how much you do how much you produce. just the raw production materials he. says I don't understand how you have. enough time for your family like I don't. get it how do you do it or are you doing. it well enough and I was like you know. that's a good question and I didn't have. usually I'm like prompt with answers cuz. I can ask questions all day long like.

yeah and I said you know what let me. think about it and I thought about it. and what I realized was and I came back. to him the next day and I said I have an. answer to your question he says well. what is it and I said I my family at. this point in time doesn't really need. me that much my wife is like really. independent and emotionally independent. and she doesn't need you know she sees.

me and we're just totally good to go we. have fun and she knows oh you're gonna. go do something hey I get it right you. know my oldest daughter she's completely. you know she's 20 years old she's in. college she's doing her own thing she's. making things happen. actually her kid yeah you know she's at. that age I know what you're trying to. say yeah I'm making imagine yeah it was. really bad. my 18 year old daughter my 18 year old. daughter same thing like she's on her. own program she you know she'll text me. and like but she's my I have a 16 year. old son. he's on his own program he's fully self. functional like self supportive they.

don't need me and then the only one. that's a little bit needy is is my. ten-year-old because she's standing no. she's still a ten-year-old so so that's. where I can focus my efforts because. she's younger so my point in saying all. that is is that through the years I. balanced you know I would just. constantly balance and and you know. raise the kids where they are. self-sufficient where they don't rely on. me to do everything for him my wife the. same way my wife's not relying on you. know my wife will handle stuff right.

whatever it is she can handle it yeah. you got to get a capable woman people. that's one thing if you pick an. incapable wife dude that's gonna be here. yeah and the most part of that capable. is emotionally capable because when you. end up with a spouse whether it's the. man or the woman that relies on you to. make them feel good emotionally that's. the one that will pick you apart so you. gotta be careful that one's a good one. to look out for so in the end of the day. I guess what I'm saying is you got to. have balance you got to build a strong. structure and the point I was gonna say. with this guy is is Jace you what while.

you're investing in your family you're. building them you're making your family. stronger so that they can stand on their. own set in the long run you have more. freedom in your life because you you. won't have this family unit that's. totally reliant on you for every little. thing yeah which is by the way makes. them better off in the world when they. grow up they go out and they dominate a. world because they're capable yeah. damn dude yeah I don't think anybody. taught me [ __ ] growing up I don't know.

if I know about didn't you learn a lot. of stuff from Daniel who's drinking hot. hose water bro first sip oh no I know I. know I heard you talking on the podcast. about how like your first girl is sort. of like the hot hose water and I was. thinking all that doesn't really make. any sense and then I realized it does. because here's what happens with the hot. hose water when you first take when you. first start drinking it yeah it's all. hot and uncomfortable but then all of a.

sudden you get to the coal party like oh. yeah. so it's the same thing with your first. girl you're kind of like awkward it's. all bike doesn't taste good and all of a. sudden you get kind of through that to. the coldness yeah okay this is good. so yeah you do remember that first hose. pipe yeah dude one of my first. girlfriends that real short hair dude. and she look like a young man you know. and I don't know if I really wanted to.

be her boyfriend but I don't know if I. had a choice yeah you're just oh dude. bro. she stood when the school bus would come. he would bring my brother and his. friends from the bigger school after.

[Laughter]. let's make one more go over jock on it. all right. one quick patreon and then we'll end on. a video questions what war this is from. Jacob wells what war movie or TV show is. the most realistic based on his combat. experiences oh that's great and Jacob. wells actually know him and he's from he.

has like nine brothers and sisters and. um and I've met him at a group of show. you from Oklahoma. he should have a podcast he has great. questions like almost every week I want. to pick his question a really neat guy. yeah what so what's the there's an HBO. miniseries there's two of them one on. what's called Band of Brothers which you. may or may not have seen it's about the. European theater it's about the first of. Ivo 6 or the second of five or six. battalion and fighting an easy company. it's it's fantastic from a leadership.

perspective from a tactical perspective. that one's awesome and then they made a. few years later they made one for the. Pacific Theatre which is called the. Pacific and it's based on several books. which are outstanding books I've covered. all the books that that series is based. on on my podcast. it's it's called the Pacific it's about. the Pacific island campaign and the. first time I watched it I was I was I. remember I was on a plane and I had like. the noise cancelling headsets on and I. was staring at like my iPad was a c-130.

no no no I was in civilian clothes. already civilian so staring at this. thing you know four inches from my face. so I was super absorbed in it and what. what they did in that but what makes me. always remember how impactful that that. series was to me was they land on this. island and you're expecting this big. crazy battle to break out but it doesn't. and so it's showing them patrolling. through the jungle they're patrolling. basically looking for the Japanese and. the Japanese you know had decided oh gee.

Meyer no no yeah they decided that they. were going to let the Americans land and. then hit them. so these scenes where they're just. patrolling through the jungle and you. know that they're waiting you're waiting. for the enemy to attack and we're not my. last deployment to Iraq I was in this. place called Ramadi and when you would. walk down the streets or I'd be watching. my guys walk down the streets or. watching some soldier or watching some. Marines and the whole time you're.

watching you're waiting you're just. waiting for the enemy to attack and. you're waiting for bullets to come down. the stream and so I had watching that I. had that same kind of anxiety and that's. when I realized how powerful that that. miniseries is so those two are great and. those are those are probably my favorite. war I don't call movies but they're. scenes or it's a miniseries that's what.

it is right yeah I can yeah I cannot I. cannot really imagine that if it can. take somebody like you kind of to that. place with that tension it's so. interesting it's like yeah combat is one. thing but that the energy before. something happens sometimes you're so. severe knowing someone's intent knowing. someone else kind of knows that intent. but they don't really know where the the. intersection is going to occur just that. kind of milling around yeah and like we.

just. talk to will the anticipation of. something is always worse yeah and so. when you know that it was coming and. when when you were on patrol in Ramadi. uh yeah you knew it was coming you knew. it was coming and so it's just that. anticipation and from a leadership. perspective your biggest fear from my. biggest fear was always you know one of. my guys yeah. and that's that's it's the it's a. sickening feeling in your gut and. there's nothing you can do about it I. mean you do everything you can to. mitigate risk but you just you just and.

I had that same feeling watching the the. scenes from a Pacific winner patrolling. through the jungle if a guy gets hit. dude they look at cue yeah it depends on. the situation right it depends on the. situation that whoever that leader is in. that moment is gonna step up make calls. make things happen it might be the. youngest guy depends who's there was. there ever a moment where you had to. order guys into a certain situation and. and something happen and you're like and. it fell on you kind of where the guy. looked at you even after he'd been yeah.

so the weird thing about special. operations for us on that deployment was. if every mission that we did was a. mission that I had said yes we should do. this okay so that's every one of these. situations where one of my guys got. wounded or one of my guys got killed. it's a hundred percent on me. I mean hundred percent because I'm the.

one that's approving the plan I'm the. one that's saying yes this is what we're. gonna do and that's that's one of the. that's one of the different types of. stress that you get in Special. Operations because in a conventional. unit generally not always but they're. they're getting a little bit more. tasking from higher hey here's what you. guys are going to do you can figure out. how you want to do it but this is what. you're gonna do no one was really. tasking me most of the time it was my. guys coming up with plans hey this is. what we think was me doing misses me. saying yeah it's a good plan so yeah.

that's something that you and you're. right there whether you're not getting a. golf cart or something it depends on. this it depends on the situation I mean. I had basically 40 seals sometimes they. were in elements as small as five guys. and they'd be out there some. have three or four elements out on the. battlefield the same time I would be. back in a tactical operation center. sometimes I'd go if it was a big giant. kind of combined operation where we were. working with a lot of different units. I'd go out with them sometimes I'd go. out with them just to go out with them. but sometimes the best place most of the.

time the best place for me to control. what was happening was in the Tactical. Operations Center that's just the way it. is. yeah and so yeah it's it's one of those. things that as a leader I mean you're. you're ultimately responsible for. everything that happens and that's a. that's a heavy burden to bear and it's. the one that's it's one that you're. gonna have to live with for the rest of. your life and it's it's one that I wake. up with every single day and I'll I'm. not I'm not mad about that I'm not mad. about that burden in fact to me that.

burden is a reminder of the guys that. made the ultimate sacrifice and I'm. honored to have had the experience of. serving with them yeah and yeah I can't. imagine this the this the camaraderie. the the repercussions of such severe. camaraderie as going to war with people. you know that's it it's yeah it's. something that I yeah I couldn't even.

imagine oh it's sudden it's something. that I could even recreate emotionally. or inside of my own brain really you. know it's it's it's pretty fascinating. because it's so severe it's just such a. there's such a finality that your. finality is right there on the line yeah. and you do you develop the strongest. Brotherhood with the people you're on. the battlefield with and we were working. with alongside soldiers and Marines all.

the time and the relationships that we. develop with them you know every time. someone gets which in Ramadi there was a. guy get there was guys getting wounded. and killed every day you know you're. going to their memorial services and. your ceiling seeing the the angel. flights which they call them as which is. when they take their bodies out on the. last you know on their last helicopter. ride home and. yeah it's it is it's very severe and. it's one of those things that I mean.

there's nothing for me there's nothing. else will ever compare with all that. there's just nothing nothing in life. will will impact me as much leave me. with as much pride and at the same time. as much sorrow as those days for me and. that's the way most guys end up feeling. about about being in the being in the. military and going overseas on. deployment did go into experiences like. that where people are losing their lives.

and people are losing their abilities. and their capabilities in war and in you. know in combat did it has it adjusted. your faith at all over the years or has. it affected that at all or is it created. it or you know the biggest thing is from. what I've seen right when you see when. you're in war you get to see the. absolute best in human beings and you.

get to see the absolute worst in human. beings I mean we saw unspeakable evil. right so if you want to talk about Satan. you want to talk about pure evil you. when you go to war you get to see it you. when you face an enemy like like the. insurgents in the battle or Ramadi that. were doing the most heinous things that. you can imagine then you realize that. evil absolutely exists and whatever you. want to attach that to you can do it. because it's there and at the same time.

you also get to see you get to see. humanity that's making sacrifices above. and beyond. anything that a normal human being would. do pure good and so from a faith. perspective what you get to see with. your own eyes. is evil pure evil and you get to see. pure good and that I think that it. leaves an impact on everybody and. definitely left them left a mark on me. for sure.

what you got net the last video sure. let's do. super-quick one that'll be a really. quick answer just because I'm curious as. well and then end on a one that he can. expand on actually oh come. hey what's up few of these questions for. a Jocko. I was wondering what your best. powerlifting numbers were ever and what. your powerlifting numbers are currently. dan dan you know this guy's trying to be. your chef or something this guy's gonna. spot you my traditional answer when.

people ask me what what kind of weights. I'm lifting is not enough no because. you're always trying to get better and. trying to get stronger yeah of course. you are. yeah well at least I am so let's see I. think that the most I've ever deadlift. it. you know that this is another big you. know you're asking me what people think. you but when they meet me Oh people try. ask is this all the time no they ask all.

this all time they also think that I'm. some superhuman athlete which I'm not. I'm not I'm not and I've explained this. over and over again. I wasn't defense I'm not the fastest I'm. not the strongest I wasn't like I'm not. this super athlete and I explain that to. people all the time even jiu-jitsu. people like oh that guy could never get. tapped out come to my gym watch me get. tapped out like it's the it's the. reality of it well but yeah to try and. answer this guy's question without. avoiding the question or whatever I mean. I hardly be honest jakka yeah to Kansas.

I hardly I hardly ever I hardly ever. bench press anymore because because I. don't like it you're an adult. yeah well I don't like what it does to. my shoulders yeah I know deadlift the. most I've ever deadlift is five five. hundred Jesus which is no that's not. that's that's on five yeah that's that's. I don't know what I'd be dead lifting. today even though you know I deadlift on.

the regular yeah but I'll do it I'll do. it I'll do yeah you know what it's like. yeah yeah squat is another one I mean. you know you know this is one of those. ones where from a powerlifting. perspective I don't know what the actual. number would be cuz like when I squat I. I go all the. way down like into the hole can you. really do it yeah well no I'm not not. saying that it's just that that's what I. do. right um I don't even know what my. numbers would be right would you have. green plates on each side you think yeah.

yeah oh yeah yeah yeah. 3:15 but yeah dude to answer your. question I'm not I'm not some super. strong dude you probably know if you're. working if you're a power lifter you're. stronger than me I'm not like well not. you yeah saying you could take me in a. minute but if I'm gonna [ __ ] slicks. ooh yeah what the most I benched ever. was it's not some huge allure it's funny. when I was at SEAL team - there was a. guy in my platoon who was this old short.

guy he looked kind of chubby and I. actually went through SEAL training with. him and he was he could run faster than. me and he could bench more than me yeah. this little and he was a great guy he's. a great seal but you know if you looked. at the two of us you'd be like oh yeah. Jaco could carska no he could run faster. than me and bench more on me you know do. you think at some point it comes down to. this like people's mud there's something. different in certain people's muscles. the way their bodies are built for sure. there's their you heard a fast twitch.

muscle twitch muscle there's another. kind of muscle called medium twitch. muscle oh yeah and that's what I have my. muscle I know likes to watch Cold Case. Files I'm definitely notice I have I. have a lot of what's called medium. twitch muscle so if I put a rucksack on. I can go for a long time and not get. tired I can almost on right and I would. lose in a sprint but if you put me with. a rucksack on I can go I can go for a.

long time it's good for a grappling like. not wrestling because wrestling's super. explosive yeah but fir Jiu Jitsu for a. long like you want to roll for 40. minutes I'm good and I'll stage steady. that whole time what professional. wrestler did you ever seen you're like. oh yeah I'm like that guy I don't you. know I've never really got that into. wrestling yeah into professional. wrestling if you threw some names out I. might be able to remember one or two I. meant Hulk Hogan won t did he was large. he yeah he's big he like I guess they.

all you you lose. perspective when you see him oh yeah. yeah TV but he's he was a really big guy. yeah dang I think um yeah I think his. daughter had a crush on me for a little. bit but I could be making it up but um. here this guy is a question cool. Jacko Co first things first this stuff. is good question is if a guy is upper. 20s early 30s is it even worth.

considering enlisting and contributing. to eventually the NCO corps or would you. recommend every time to go the officer. out and to make this a little bit more. broad of a question for the general. audience would how would you apply this. question to a generic entry-level. position at a large organization that's. been established for a long time or. trying to just go in straight to a.

management position do you understand. that question Thiel I do but I want to. make sure that you do. I guess he means no I don't okay so in. the military there's basically two it's. like a caste system okay there's. officers yeah and there's enlisted. people officers are like the prescribed. leaders okay. and there's enlisted people which are. those prescribed grunts okay how within. the grunts there's a rank structure and. you can advance up to that rank.

structure on the enlisted side on the. officer side there same thing you. advance as you go forward. ei e4 III yeah that's that the enlisted. side okay so you start off as an e1 yeah. and then you go up through eat any nine. I'd be any walk I think yeah the officer. same thing now the only difference. between these two people is the officers. went to college so if you go to college. you but you can go in as an officer it's. not guaranteed but you can go as an. officer what I did I started off and.

listed and I got picked up for this. awesome program and got moved over to. the officer side so I got to do both so. his question is he's a little bit older. should he try and become an officer and. or if that doesn't work or should he go. and list it maybe not if it doesn't work. because I. and say here's what you should do you're. older you got some experience in life if. you can try and become an officer that's. fine if you can't because it's it's more. selective to become an officer. immediately go go into the enlisted. situation the other question that people.

ask me a lot when they're twenty nine. thirty years old they kind of life they. got a family they got a job but they all. of a sudden they wake up one day and say. man I don't feel like I've sacrificed I. don't feel like I've given enough to the. country I want to do something yeah I. remember ask you that last time we were. on yeah and I probably gave the same. answer which is go on the check out the. reserves should go and see go in the. National Guard go in the Army Reserves. go on the Marine Corps go in the. reserves so where you do one weekend a. month and two weeks in the summertime. now do you have to remember that you. could get called up when we got to the.

Battle of Ramadi that whole area was. controlled by reservists from you know. guys that were in the National Guard. there's a National Guard unit out of. Pennsylvania they were total studs but. you can they were there for 14 months I. think fighting so you know these guys. were teachers and plumbers and. electricians and whatever and all of a. sudden they were their fighters yeah so. it can really happen you can't just. think Oh it'll never happen no it can. absolutely happen but I think that's a. good thing to do and as far as which one.

you should go into I mean I loved the. fact that I went in as a grunt Brian. came up and and and romantic about that. kind of yeah there's some well there's. just a weird way I guess if you're weird. but but there's also some some factual. things right you learn all what it's. like you learn from the front lines what. it's like to be a grunt so now when you. get moved over to the officer you you. gain at least you have experience and. you might you understand it but that.

being said there's great people that's. called a prior enlisted officer there's. some prior enlisted officers that are. awesome because they have that. experience there's also some prior. enlisted officers that are just as bad. as any other officer and there's. officers that never were enlisted that. are fantastic it really boils down to. you and your personality and your. leadership capabilities that's what's. gonna make you good or not not the. experience you have just like you know. there's some colleges like the Naval. Academy or the Air Force Academy or West. Point. No Citadel you go to four years learning.

how to be a military man or military. woman and you might think I don't know I. thought this I thought man those guys. are gonna be so good cuz they have all. this all this knowledge it's not true. there are some great ones there's also. some bad ones you could there was some. great guys that went to 13 weeks of. Officer Candidate School and then. Warrant Officer and they were awesome. some of them were not awesome so it. really what really matters is what you. bring to the table that's what matters. the move all right. I remember the ROTC kids they used to.

just end up they all bought race cars. used to race them out back of the school. and everything and then and they have. them then do [ __ ] I don't think but do. you think if we that was a dead and if. there ever was but that whole story like. kind of sunk my heart a little bit I. second it to go somewhere I'm gonna just. with the silence we good yeah that's one.

of those things you scratch off the list. of things to talk about out of the gate. man if we if we fought aliens or when we. fight aliens yes or robots do you think. we will have a chance yes would you rate. robots arrive through robots out because. people are always asking me about the. robot wars. I think robots yeah I'm just hope.

there's no like you know I think robots. will be fine I'm gonna beat up a [ __ ]. microwave I know what I'm saying dude. I'll beat the [ __ ] out of a toaster with. that but what I'm saying is especially. if I had like in a can and a half ago. right now dude don't say no [ __ ]. sucks out a high undying right now well. what I'm saying is this aliens in the. aliens come would you reenlist yes okay. yeah and who would you take in a battle. with you it's just like it's like that.

movie Armageddon you gotta take five. people into battle with you oh I got a. list of guys yeah okay well rattle off a. couple sir. well I can't cuz they're you know oh. okay yeah they're working Oh. we can't use her names that they're. working yeah okay well most of them. right okay. okay well let's say then I had a guy I. have had a guy on my podcast couple. times his name is Tony or fratty and he. him and I grew up in the SEAL Teams. together and then he was one of the.

platoon chiefs over in Ramadi with me. and I actually started off the podcast. saying hey if there's some if there's a. list there's everyone has a list of guys. that hey if it goes down I'm bringing. him tony is one of the guys Tony's an he. would be out on like a five day. operation in a hundred and twenty degree. heat and he'd bring nothing with him but. a can of Copenhagen in like a little. half liter bottle of water oh I felt. like doing cocaine there's no factory no.

factory and no no calls about it at all. homes at all. Wow make them coconut Copenhagen's soup. yeah so yeah there's a bunch of guys. like that man there's a bunch of just. guys that are just that's what they're. born to do man that's what they're born. to do from the Jocko podcast man thank. you so much brah we're coming in dude so. is so awesome man cuz it's sometimes. life is like you never know kind of what. you need and then life kind of like. gives you you know it just kind of the. where you where you're where you are is. where you're supposed to be you know.

it's like someone realize that I. appreciate being here today man thank. you so much dude thanks man appreciate. it yeah. [Music]. [Music].

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