Jelly Roll | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #385

today's guest is a musician. um an entertainer. and really is a smoo really just a. smooth criminal honestly. uh he's one of the most infectious. human beings that i've been around and. i'm grateful for you guys to get to hear. his story. uh today's guest is jelly roll.

[Music]. i'll sit and tell you my story. [Music]. just.

bender it is baby. uh. the song what is it you got uh dead man. walking it's the number five song on. rock radio it's called dead man walking. it's [ __ ] crazy i've never had a song. on radio ever gang baby so yeah it's big. [ __ ] is that crazy it's weird yeah but. in a cool way oh yeah like as a kid i. don't care who you are especially like. my age group you dream of having a song. on the radio so having one on the radio. is like surreal you know that is kind of. a thing when you're young man and you.

hear that radio. it always seemed like it was it would be. impossible to get your song to come out. of it i bet oh yeah imagine being a. little white trash kid like me and you. and you're wondering how it's coming. through the radio anyways you're looking. around like there's no cord on the car. yeah i was just even coming through. right now yeah yeah almost like they. were sitting inside of your motor and. playing for you personally yeah. dude i used to have a dream that um. that at one point in automobiles they. would have a. a disc or something you'd put into the.

dashboard right and then the band they'd. have like hologram i always had this. vision that hologram was really going to. pop off. and the band would come out onto your. dashboard the way it would be built and. the band would perform right there for. you right there yeah god we should still. make that i could be if i could make. money i could make some wrecks yeah yeah. sure first day i smoke a dubia and look. over there and see hendrick's shredding. i'm [ __ ] crashing. yeah somebody's just somebody's just. locked in on wiz khalifa they can't even. handle it.

no it's cool man so what was that for. you for like me as a kid it was like. radio was like the thing like you won. like as an artist you wanted to have a. song on the radio now i haven't so. what's for you was it like. i guess did you come up like the disc. comedy era like you wanted a comedy. album or was it like comedy central or. yeah getting on comedy central was big. doing that and um. getting the album out and getting it on. the itunes charts was real big you know.

uh i remember. um 30 pounds of hamster bones was like. my first real album release and and that. got onto the like i think we i think we. got to number one at some point you. notice based on the way the sales go. and so that was pretty wild um. but i remember my first do you remember. the first song you ever heard through. the radio. oh man. probably not the first song i ever heard. through the radio i know the first like. album we wouldn't bought or like. cassette tape my sister bought yeah but.

i can't think of like the first song i. heard on the right you remember the. first song you like remember hearing on. the radio yeah i remember i had a uh. my mom had. some. um. some. uh like. babysitters took us to summer camp right. so they'd come pick us up in the morning. and they would take us. and this one lady picked me up i feel. like her name was heather but i don't. know. but she picked me up man and she they. had bon jovi she had playing and i'd.

never. i think cause there was a woman involved. also there was like a babysitter and she. was like hot and she like had tits and. everything and so like. i i remember it was uh. what was um what was one of those bon. jovi hits. it was uh. what was like one of his biggest most. popular songs oh [ __ ] dude i just woke. up and i'm high oh dad. i haven't even ate breakfast and i'm. stoned and i'm sitting here with theo. talking about bon jovi i'm like [ __ ]. this is wow i'm on the radio and theo's.

telling me about bon jovi. i would i would like to touch on heather. for a second though oh i would have. liked to as well brother baby i'll tell. you that. i think we all have a first teacher as. dudes that we like mine was my. kindergarten teacher i don't remember my. first grade teacher second grade teacher. third fourth fifth no no but i remember. my kindergarten teacher's name was. harris and that is when i knew i liked. asses. she had the fats not the flats i mean. she had boy that thing man. she had a monkey on her back dog real.

doubled up huh listen i remember going. home my brother had to explain to me. what i was feeling i was like i think. you could pop it i was like you know as. a kid i was like my brother was like oh. yeah you're gonna like asses when you're. older oh flew over my head then oh yeah. later oh dude my wife's got miss. harris's ass to the tee hey. school's in session. i put an apple right between them cheeks. for you it was heather for me it was. miss harris dude i remember and she i. would always be like hey can i put your. seatbelt on for you all the time.

we'd be in the car and uh. and i think we had to sit in the back. but i'd be like can i put your seatbelt. on for you and she would just take it. off and i would like reach across. like put that seat belt on. oh it made me feel so listening to bob. jovi yeah yeah. i wish i could remember that song man it. was uh. but anyway it was one of his hits man. but yeah for my listeners that don't. know about you man so how so you guys. start to take me through the story man. your story is is a really inspirational. one and also. you just have this infectious energy man.

i just noticed it anytime i'm around you. i wish i was you all right dude thank. you i feel the same way about you that. guy is having so much fun. like i want to be that guy. i love you man thank you brother yeah. you bet man you got that tan man that's. why i'm [ __ ] blowing it. you think you spraying that thing on man. are you laying in the bed or whatever. dude i just went to damn uh. i don't know you were fishing oh yeah i. was fishing i just seen happy belated. birthdays oh thanks [ __ ] way to spend.

the birthday dog dude you're too kind. man that was with the jimmy john by the. way like the jimmy john jimmy johnson. yeah do we went out there it was like we. caught. i mean you go out there and it's night. like the vessel is damn nice dude i got. to it was like noah was on that [ __ ]. you know i'm saying it was damn dude. they had animals trying to get on fish. we're trying like damn this looks nice. dog you know you see all these mexican. fish we're like hey. give us a ride back to freaking cuba you. know like they had fish jumping on that. and panthers were getting on that [ __ ].

they had animals i didn't even know. existed out there trying to get in it. was a luxury boat right so you're out on. there and they had a couple they got. like some. fishermen like men that are just. you know just a couple damn moby dick. lurkers out there and then [ __ ] they. show up and so they put in sometimes if. you're in like the deep water they have. the these big electric. uh rod and reels on the sides and they. would cast those down to like. 1500 feet or something.

so you would just cast them down and. then you would see the thing go like. that you know and so you were pressing. these buttons instead of doing reeling. oh [ __ ] it's like playing an xbox for. fishing yeah yeah it was. that's [ __ ] well i mean it was like. you could catch the past you have. memories come up if somebody pulled up a. memory of something when you were a kid. you're like damn that was deep bro. so that was almost like i was like is. that the real jimmy john that's him. maybe a sandwich jockey dude he um. yeah that man turkey timed his way in. there you know what's [ __ ] up i look.

at you and i get jealous because i'm. like you have all the friends i want but. don't need it's like todd graves is your. homie too from county right i'm like i'm. already fat i'd be like i'd die if i had. your friend list right now i'd just like. live in a house full of sandwiches and. fried chicken. i'm like he's got every you're cool with. everybody i want to be cool with but god. knows i don't need to be cool yeah i've. got some of those people i'm not even. going to introduce you to man just i. seen you i seen y'all carrying the jimmy. john sandwiches on i was like [ __ ] me in.

honor of your veins on behalf of your. veins i'm gonna say i'm not introducing. you to those dogs especially not the. chicken man yeah. oh yeah man i've been pretty lucky and. those are the guys that have just come. on the podcast and then you kind of get. to you know have a relationship with. them or become friends with them um but. that was unbelievable and then there's. some points where you get a rod and reel. and you're actually doing the fishing. you know and it's like an industrial. size it's like something they'd sell at. home depot oh dude i just think about. the distance from what looked like where. you were at on the boat to the water. yeah it wasn't like when you're sitting.

on like the little you know like the. little boat in the bayou you probably. used to get on where you just kind of. tip your little toe in the water i mean. it looked like it was a full-blown dive. we nobody touched the wall i was at one. point i jumped in for like 30 seconds. because they had some real bad sharks in. there and uh but you couldn't reach out. and touch the boat yeah you touched the. water yeah it looked like you were high. as [ __ ] yeah you were and then you go. inside and you're like in a damn. marriott plus or something. you know that [ __ ] how many days were. you sleeping on the water and everything. yeah you go to sleep out there dude it's. like being it's like being in somebody's.

it's like being i feel like in a just. like in a damn black lady's womb. did you sleep good or did the rock and. [ __ ] with you the rocking sleep put me. out it's like being on a bus without the. sound of the engine oh yeah it's like. furniture's all made out of percocet. baby falls straight to sleep on that. [ __ ] son i was out and it was his boat. as jimmy john's boat yeah yeah it's. jimmy john boat man so that was awesome. he took me it was my birthday so he took. me out there and so we we flew out on.

friday. uh straight down to bahamas and then we. uh jumped on the boat yeah there's some. dude like an island guy like you want. the uh. roast beef. they don't even have a junior for a. thousand miles. you're sitting there with jimmy with a. box of. listen jimmy john this is for you uh. would you please bring back the chicken. caesar rap it was fire it was it was. limited time only and i think the time. was too limited sir you'd like to pray. in fact man or use your influence to.

help you boy man it'd mean a lot to me. we'll see look i'll put that word in. baby i'll send that. i'll send that off the ladder that's the. only promo clip i want from the day it's. me asking jimmy john to bring a. discontinued sandwich back hey i think. we could i think we could help i [ __ ]. hate you i think we could help man. um. so how did you find parker we were just. talking off camera about how much yeah. you know how does theo find music that's.

what i'm really getting at here oh. that's all right and then i want to. learn about how you got into music man. because i want i really want my audience. to know that and uh. i you know what i do man i'm on tick. tock man yeah they got this uh they got. this fella four track that i'll listen. to i think he's out of south carolina is. that the guy you came out to the other. night at the comedy club yes yes that. [ __ ] was bang and yeah i don't know who. it was can you pull it up see if you can. get him on here. [Music].

gang gang baby. hunamo rash another gun in iraq. [Music]. [Music].

[Music]. you was telling the sound guy it was. like you play this song and i think i. asked you afterwards you came out i was. like your song was fire who is he's like. four track i was like. how are you you're like i just found. them like i just like. just found them that's tick tock look. man when you don't have a family or. nothing bro you tick-tock at night by. yourself and you come across a little. foreign tick-tock's so popular now you. do that when you have a family yeah.

they're sad nor if some nights i lay in. the wife of my bed we're just watching. two separate tick. feeds there just. you guys are tock. uh inadvertently hooked on walker hayes. i know it's like hell i'm just watching. fancy like on repeat like i'm being like. i'm being like i'm finally getting. punished for my sins of life.

uh how do i find some music that's. probably how i got actually my buddy i. was telling you that story my buddy uh. whenever you back in the day when you. would just you know ejaculating was a. big thing you know. now it's kind of like all over the place. it feels like you know so much. pornography back in the day you had to. really you know i remember we'd buy a. drawing of some cooter or something you. know for the weekend you know we had. this buddy we had this dude nicky would. sell us a little sketch just a little. bit of cooter for the weekend and we'd.

take that [ __ ] home on friday and bring. it back on monday you know because you. got two dollars back if you brought it. back yeah you had to piece your own. magazine together where this guy had a. page from this one and this guy had a. page from this one you take three four. pages and tape them together be your own. kind of magazine. wouldn't be a playboy you know it. actually had. this is my [ __ ] but my buddy scott would. put a map up in his car he's riding with. his folks one time he puts a map up in. the car because at that age if you start. masturbating that's the thing it gets. you hooked the devil gets you hooked on.

your own dick. and you just start bro you're sitting. there man and my buddy scott did it. he was just telling his family where. they were going and the whole time he's. behind this map. just ruining maine that's all he was. doing and i thought i was a gangster. because i could pull it sometimes if my. cellmate was asleep when i was in jail. and even then i felt pretty sketchy. because there was another grown man. there but could you imagine just having. a carpool. your sister's in the back seat kicking.

the seat that's family. where's steve harvey when that shit's. going down you know bring that question. up you're over there adding tributaries. to your own freaking map. um. so take me through man so how do you so. how do how did you get into music man. how did it start for you when you're. coming up where does the music hit you. first in your life. my mother was probably like. the sad part of the story is my mother. always struggled with mental health. issues and addiction and she didn't.

leave much at all when i was a kid she. was a recluse she never really left the. house and uh. she would like her making it to the. kitchen table was kind of like a big. deal you know yeah and you'd walk in the. house and mom would be at the kitchen. table and she'd have a cigarette lit and. she'd be sitting on a wood chair indian. style right there in the kitchen back. when you could smoke it but back when. restaurants had smoking sections smoking. inside places was a thing you know and. she'd be there smoking a cigarette and. she'd have a record plan. and she'd just have her eyes closed and.

i just i could tell that the music was. doing something to her man. like i just remember watching her and. thinking man this music's like. whatever that is is. helping her you know or she'd play like. bette midler the rose and cry. i could i could still hear in my head. play this at my funeral to this day if. you play bette midler the rose right now. i might tear up and she plays my funeral. uh jelly place my funeral baby jason she. just smoked cigarette. and i just remember thinking man i want.

to make people feel the way this makes. my mother feel. that's the songwriting aspect of it. right that was what. ignited the songwriter in me. now the influences are cool because i. was the baby right i was the youngest. how many uh two brothers one sister and. my sister who she's still with to this. day was within so she's been with this. man 30 something years he pretty much. lived with us from her high school years. up so i say i had three brothers two. brothers a brother-in-law that lived. with us and a sister and we always had.

some broke cousin on the couch or some. broke family and you know in the living. room with blow up mattresses or. something this was just like future. convict yeah this is our current convict. or somebody on the run from the police. we had that kind of a house. and. we would like yeah when hide and go seek. was hidden goes. for sure i'll tell you a story about. that in a second it's even better but. when i got in the car with anybody. because i was the baby i had no [ __ ]. control of the radio dial i was the last. [ __ ] that got to pick the radio.

oh yeah right it was so important you. got. who got. radio right. so it's like when i was in the car i had. one brother that listened to nothing but. gangster at musical sitting here is. awesome because he's met my whole family. yeah um we got tour manager bizzle. gibbons is sitting here in the in the. studio throw him in the middle of our. [ __ ] because looking at him like he's. looking over there like yeah i met most. of him i had one brother named scott. that's the middle older that was a. straight gangster rap guy like tupac. biggie like gangster gang the gang's the.

more gangster the better well was he. dating white chick still or how gangster. was he i mean no he was everywhere. yeah his dick didn't discriminate. yeah he got that yeah for sure he was. all about it all and and we lived in a. super mixed neighborhood anyway so it. was just super common to you know like. all my brothers had a black best friend. or something it was just so many you. know whatever yes neighbors were black. we had a chinese guy in the neighborhood. mexicans dude we had an iranian family. down at the bottom of the street that. were super savage dude they'd bring. iranian food up dude iraqi food and it.

was [ __ ] fire dude but. anyways so i'm sorry i'm [ __ ] high. but. we get in the car and like all these. different radio states will play so like. one brother be gangster rap my sister. listen like nothing but metallica or. stone temple pilots yeah for sure like. [ __ ] nirvana when they first came out. this was all oh yeah and then i had. another brother listening like super hip. hop [ __ ] like biz marquis kind of [ __ ]. yeah and then dad would listen to either. jazz or back then like singer songwriter.

stuff like james taylor jim croce um my. mother listened to motown oldies and. like outlaw country music damn so it's. like every room i'd walk into or every. [ __ ] everywhere i'd go it'd be some. different music playing so when people. like dude you kind of do all kinds of. music i'm like i'm a [ __ ] human. jukebox man i grew up in a you know i. didn't get to pick up music i liked and. get to play it because i didn't [ __ ]. you know everybody else had their genre. of music in their world but me. i didn't have like a place i could go. listen to what i wanted right right.

right i just had to listen to whatever. [ __ ] room i walked in yeah that's. funny the younger brother is kind of you. kind of that that ear victim bro you. know it's like whatever you kind of you. start to get into whatever anybody else. is into that's i never thought about. that the older brother really gets to. pick the radio and that kind of shapes. the younger brother a little bit sure. it's like if my brother's listening to. uh dr dre then i'm all draid up i'm. buying that t-shirt with the weeds 100. and when he switches to nirvana dude i'm. f you know i'm cutting my wrist but not. with sharp silverware yeah yeah yeah i.

didn't get to get in the car and be like. i really want to listen to 107.5 the. river nobody gave a [ __ ] what i want to. listen to you know like we didn't know. you could talk i tell you the first. cassette tape i ever got given. i got all these gifts for christmas and. then they were like we got one last gift. from you and this is from your bro this. is from your brothers and sisters i was. like oh this is probably the coolest. gift ever and they gave me a little. bitty package and it was a cassette tape. and it was rex and effects rump shaker. yeah. and i was like this is gangster and i. remember at that moment it was something.

that was finally mine because they some. mama had bought me a boom box. and daddy bought me a boombox but nobody. i didn't have nothing to play in it yet. yeah so then my brother and they did the. coolest thing besides that and then this. then they when they hand me the wrecks. and effects tape then they handed me. five blank cassette tapes. i said what are these for they were like. we're gonna show you how to record songs. off the radio you remember this era oh. right when you put the cassette tape in. listen for all of y'all that want to. know how old i am i'm that [ __ ] old. top 10. yeah you go to the top 10 and you'd wait.

and wait for the perfect moment for the. song to start then you hit the play and. record button you got to get it just. right because you didn't want to hear. the radio dj or the skip you want to. just decide that you stop right there. yeah and you play it for one more second. so there was a space between the two. songs and then you'd hit it again you. know are you calling requests a song. that wasn't popular yet you'd have to. wait for hours for them to play it. they're like who's this donkey and they. taught me that so i started making like. mixed cassette tapes and i knew i was on. to something different then because like. i'd get in the car and find out i got a. cassette tape everybody we don't care.

about you can set her but please play it. and it would like go from like rap to. something else and the brother was like. what the [ __ ] is up like well shelby. taught me about this song so everybody. got happy. so you really were you really were like. a jukebox yeah oh to this day man you. play very few songs and i'm not like. yeah i know that error. do you have a body do you have balls. do you have do you have a body with. balls on it well our friends at manscape. the global leader and below the waist. hygiene are turning men's shower dreams. into their favorite routine.

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just laid back. um storyteller but softly spoke and. didn't talk nearly as much as me but. said a lot more and he was an old-school. gangster like that but uh dad and mother. were together whenever i was younger. they divorced in my earlier teenage. years and. why they divorce you think oh [ __ ] dude. you know frankly mom you know god i love. her today i'm sorry if you're watching. this birdie but she uh you know she just. she dealt with so much of her own [ __ ]. man i just i couldn't i don't. who she is now and who she was in are. two different people so i'm sure she.

won't be offended by this i couldn't. have been with her yeah you know what i. mean who she was back then i mean he was. pushing the square through a circle for. a long time you know. she was really struggling i mean i'm. talking about a woman that i didn't see. not wearing a nightgown for 15 years oh. wow you know what i mean like i don't. have a memory of her being like in a. kindergarten thing or you know what i. mean like none of that [ __ ] damn so that. must have left you feeling almost like i. mean if your mom wasn't showing up for a. lot of stuff he probably left you. feeling kind of. unseen or something sometimes first.

no judgment against your mom look yeah. my mom struggles with a lot of that and. so it's just they went through it so. somebody did it you know they went. through it yeah in their era you know. now that i'm old enough i look back at. her and go man she grew up in a house. with three other sisters she she grew up. with a single mother my mother's 73. years old so if you think about her. growing up with a single mother raising. four kids she was the town [ __ ] in. everybody's eyes yeah that's normal now. you see a [ __ ] at the grocery store. right now with five kids and be like. [ __ ] she must be from antioch yeah you. know what i'm saying it's like you seen.

it back then i was like you're [ __ ]. hard you know what i mean you damn hard. you know looking forward yeah yeah you. know it's like totally different world. so i mean i kind of get where she came. from and her mother which was my granny. was just just [ __ ] mean as a [ __ ]. beaver on meth she was just a [ __ ]. you know what i'm saying she was mean. dude and i knew that about her so you. know i get i get what you know her. issues but yeah they had divorced but. pops was a pops ran a meat company for. years he's like oh damn what kind of. meat dude we got three generations of. meat salesmen oh really dude i can tell.

you more about a pig than i can tell you. about [ __ ] and i know a little bit. about both and i'm telling you man it's. just some dude he was uh my grandfather. was ran a meat truck called d ford. sausage company and then my father took. it over and it was called deford. wholesale meats. and they changed llc's huh yeah yeah. well you know dad got into the wholesale. business you know my my grandfather was. old enough that they actually rode. around in a truck and went door to door. this is back when the closest grocery. store to a neighborhood was 15 20.

minutes away and it was a buy writer or. c.b smith. yeah this is long before walmart so you. know you probably grew up in an area. where the meat trucks came to the. neighborhood yeah you know well we had i. remember they had a dude it was. schwann's truck or something yeah and. this dude would roll through and this. dude honestly was banging some ladies. bro this i don't know how this guy was a. real casanova bro you know what i'm. saying he would the second he saw the. kids he'd be all pissed and stuff you. could tell. but um he was yeah they had everything. in there fro like frozen things of.

cookies and uh beef he had the beef area. he had to get in the beef area. uh the beef fairy i remember when you. opened that [ __ ] up it was like oh yeah. all the. it was so cold in there as a child you. couldn't even look in there for long he. was afraid to even look at the beef and. then he they they came through with the. little chinese food portal at one point. and that's when i think the people i was. living with at the time they cut it off. man they said we're not doing all of. this yeah well at that point it wasn't. far away from being food trucks in that. area but yeah it was like an early food. truck but you had to cook it yeah for.

sure no but yeah. big beauford my grandfather would just. pull up with a and he did nothing but. pork it was just sausage it was a. defored sausage company it's a family. recipe. we still have it to this day and uh. my father was entrepreneurial so he was. like i want to sell more than pork so he. got into poultry and beef oh dad as well. and he was like instead of taking it. door-to-door changed with the times i'm. not just gonna service door-to-door in. the small piggly wigglies and buy rights. i'm gonna start going to local barbecue. pits and local restaurants that were. local owned and local red and you know.

he was a he sold meat that way and. and and housed his own meat my brother. now my oldest brother. the one that was more of a hip-hop head. um. he's still in the meat business. yeah oh dude it's still you know it. tickles me pink because it's like my. dad's still here i go hang out my. brother and all his meat salesman. friends yeah. it's funny how that business is. generational that way because most of. them guys you'll meet daddy was in the. meat business you know. a lot of businesses are yeah it's crazy.

the police officers boat captains a lot. of things are. it just comes down through the family. line i was the only one that had a. vision outside of anything like that my. other brother ended up doing a. uh survey he's a land surveyor uh. and does all that kind of stuff he's. like uh into like engineering and stuff. civil engineering yeah i actually got my. degree in urban planning bro um. an urban planning. yeah i'm a uh.

i'm an urban planner i guess i mean i am. i'm i don't know i don't know if i'm a. licensed exactly or whatever i don't. know if i ever got a license but i am. i guess i'm legally an urban planner i. guess i mean i got the you know i did it. you know i think it's mostly about. i mean i know what it's about it's about. neighborhoods like if you have to have. like uh say you're putting together a. neighborhood and somebody needs you know. where the post box post office box is. going or like if a mail truck is coming. through how to get it through like the. you know give it the best directions.

right right. uh. yeah he deals with like uh can you build. here is this a flood land or you know. [ __ ] like that and. but yeah i'm the only one that even took. to like something artist-driven or. creative-minded. so when did it start to like really take. shape or something or what do you think. kind of. did you have some pitfalls or something. like what was it like in your teen years. growing up because i know you got into. some trouble right yeah yeah i got into. a little trouble so. the other side of my father. that. was the side that i seen the most more.

than the hard-working salesman was he. was a hustler yeah so my father booked. bets on the side most of his life you. know it's part of part of a story that. he didn't tell because later in life he. went on to marry a [ __ ] methodist. minister and. totally different dude than the dude i. grew up with you know which i love both. versions of him but i grew up with the. old gangster that booked bets you know i. grew up on a barstool with him booking. bats and. and what bets on anything football games. all kinds of stuff he ran like the old. school football cards yeah so he wasn't. just like a gambler he was the dude who. booked him so we he'd drop off football.

cards to like stanley street bar and. larry's and antioch and tgi friday's in. antioch when it first opened up and like. all these local bars he would run. football cards through him and he he. take foam beds to parlays and you know. flat i remember the card i remember my. buddy's dad worked over at like a ford. dealership right and he'd come home. sometime he'd give us a car you know we. could you know we'd put four five six. dollars on it or something that's when. five or six dollars was a big deal yeah. especially for you just to be guessing. it was gonna work and.

you know he made a deal with all of us. brothers when we were younger that you. know he said i'll give you a choice i'll. either pay you per football card that. you put out. or. i won't pay you per football card and. i'll let you share in the revenue of it. so his thing was like either you can. take this risk and make more money with. me. or i'll just give you a flat fee for. every you know x amount of dollars per. football card you put in the streets. so he kind of taught us that work ethic. and it was fun to watch the brothers. because you have some that played it. safe.

you know and then you had the me's and. that's when he knew something was going. to be different. me and another brother we had some. cousins to play to save me and all the. brothers went for the risky you all. risked me and all brothers were like nah. [ __ ] that we're going for it you know. what i'm saying like we're putting it. all on the line we're trying to upsell. people on bats you know. and trying to figure it out so i always. had that hustler in me and then when mom. and dad divorced i stayed with mama you. know what i'm saying because i feel like. she was the one that needed me yeah but. you know in hindsight as a kid i should. have never you know i should have went. with where i should have went with what.

i needed not what i thought somebody. else needed but but that just says your. nature as a human problem yeah yeah for. sure i love my mom i thought my mama. needed me so i was like okay now i gotta. be the. and i didn't learn enough about football. you know who's i was [ __ ] 14 like 15. 16 years old i can't go book bets yeah. so i was like yeah. right yeah it's like i'll just [ __ ]. you know i'll go you know. whatever i'll just go find alternate. means of money and for that it was you. know drugs and drugs normally lead to. robin and. you know just goofy [ __ ] as a kid i just.

got in a lot of trouble i ended up in. juvenile for a lot of years and. the juvenile years rolled over and. because i went to juvenile you know i. think the first time i was like for 13. or 14 and just kind of went to that. revolving door and looking out. penitentiary ended up in group homes. kept running from them. what was that penitentiary like was it. pretty what anything you miss about it. dude no the [ __ ] no man i tell people. all the time jail. prison. all that stuff dude is when people are. like i love when dudes are like we just.

i just talked to uncle joey about this. old joey coco yeah and we were talking. about how some dudes go to prison enough. that they start talking about them like. they're malls. you know what i mean like yeah that. one's actually had really good food and. yo you know that one had the prettiest. guards and i'm like this ain't a [ __ ]. mall they all sucked that one had an. american eagle like my best memory in. jail. sucks compared to my worst memory at. home you know what i'm saying like when. you're like what was the best day you. ever had in jail it's like i came back. and the whole unit threw me a birthday.

party i was working in the kitchen and i. came in and everybody had like put all. their snacks together and they'd set up. a big jelly roll birthday party because. i was going home soon so like a going. away. birthday party and as. much as my soul was touched for all. these [ __ ] gang bangers and criminals. to celebrate me. it sucked you know what i'm saying it's. like you know like the worst birthday. i've ever had at home [ __ ] swamped. that one you know what i'm saying google. surprise party in prison.

i didn't want to get an image in my head. and did they have any uh let's get a. couple images there let's see something. yeah let's see if this even pops up. let's see oh there's probably a band. called it i'm sure there is that's the. problem nowadays you google anything. there's some shitty band named after it. oh for sure yeah yeah we're not getting. much. no if we didn't have camera phones in. there. oh. right there click on that cake. yeah happy birthday jamal now imagine if. somebody made it. yo jamal happy birthday you know the. best part of that is if they would have.

made that out of honey buns it'd be. realistic right that'd be some stuff. because you know you get a canteen in. there and stuff oh cause y'all had to. make bootleg cakes yeah dude look but i. tell you what because of that my fat ass. can whip boy. i can make something out of next to. nothing now so you'd be in there like. where what was your space in the. penitentiary environment what what kind. of guy were you just kind of the guy. making everybody laugh are you the were. you kind of a hard header what kind of. oh dude i was just dude i guess i. probably made people laughed and. entertained we did freestyle fridays and.

i worked in the kitchen and you know. yeah i was just there dude my young. juvenile years i was more of a hard head. because i was the only white guy there. and i felt like i had a point to prove. so you know whatever and did they ever. let you say the n word or not uh you. know what's crazy is that is a word. in which context right because there's. one way in which you're never allowed to. say it right no matter what yeah yeah. and you know another way you know. there's certain white guys that yeah for. sure in different different. penitentiaries and prisons every now and. then somebody yeah.

yeah sure they'll let you get away with. it just you know you just want to make. sure you don't have a neighbor recording. or nothing you know yeah that stuff will. stick with you. i'm saying. shout out to our boy but now i'm just. joking bubba but you know it's like you. want to make sure that. yeah no they don't you know it's. different man it's also different per. jail every jail and every prison and. everything has a different structure you. know it gets way more racist in federal. prison than in state prison and it's. especially like county jails is a. totally different world because you know. everybody yeah when you go to the county. jail there's like a degree of separation.

between you and everybody in the county. oh wow yeah because it's all it's local. it's all local like worst case scenario. you're from north nashville we're two. minutes away from me dropping somebody's. name in north nashville that we both. know yeah you know what i mean the other. problem with that is it's a lot of real. drama in there though. like where guys have been like i have. been waiting to run into you because you. had a problem with my cousin oh you know. whatever year yeah you know oh yeah. that's really that's really the uh. that's the real confluence of the local. [ __ ] yeah where it's like in the. federal scale there's no way me and a.

dude in wisconsin ever have a personal. problem with each other right right well. you know in the county jail i had a lot. of personal problems with people and. what about a lot of gays in there any. type of activity like that a lot of gay. activity or was that when you get to. like prison prison you start having. dudes that are you know busting their. butt open yeah but. the county jail that's not happening i. spent more time in the county jail in. the big prison so yeah because i was. more of a revolving door kind of. criminal go for a year or two come home. go for a year or two come home you know. i'm just like a i was that guy yeah oh.

he's back you know what i'm saying that. was like somebody that winners in. florida like that kind of yeah exactly. [ __ ] totally right like a guy that. goes to losers you know once every two. weeks or winters oh yeah red i was a red. door kind of guy you know it's like i. was just oh he's back you know and those. are local bars people don't know that. yeah yeah yeah sorry um super nashville. talk y'all so what about uh so when so. when you kind of got when music kind of. got. kind of took over your life did that. have an effect like tell me kind of how.

you got. how did you get into the music dan. i was just. i started writing raps young just. because i didn't think i had a cool. voice to sing you know and nobody in the. family sang to teach me to sing so. i would write like raps and that was. obviously like. i don't know how much that we caught. earlier but that was the language of the. community hip-hop was the language of. the neighborhood you know a super mixed. community i grew up like you you know. what i'm saying like it always is a poor. neighborhood man it's really because. black [ __ ] is cool usually.

so it's like black [ __ ] always is the. cool [ __ ] right 100 no. it's. to this day. hip hop has influenced every genre of. music on earth. for other people won't admit it or not i. hear it the most in country music yeah i. mean i hear hip-hop melodies hip-hop. drums 80h that is just so prevalent in. country music but. you know hip-hop was the language of the. community so. that was kind of what i got into first. night freestyle at tables and in. juvenile freestyle battle people and i.

tell this story it's my favorite story. to tell about my father i was going. getting bound over as a juvenile and. charred as an adult i had made a. decision as a child that they warranted. me being charged as an adult and i ended. up with that felony on my record for a. crime i committed at 16 to this day i. can't get rid of that felony. and. when they bound me over the only good. thing that happened was i got a bond i'm. 17 years old i'm going to the county. jail they let me call. one person when i get to the county jail. and who was it pops 100 of the time i'm.

calling my dad i'm calling he answered. one man that was my guy the dude. supported me more than i can tell you. buddy's stories till i'm blue in the. face he was the most supportive dude. of my wild [ __ ] of anybody when i wanted. to quit music probably six years five. six years ago. i sat down with him for seven years ago. and i was like pops. i'm just i'm not it's not gonna work i. was sitting at the tin roof a bar right. on the monroe street that they have a. plaque with his name in there he was a. legend at the spot yeah this is. nashville yeah this is a super beautiful.

spot right under mine we ever come. through swing through. and uh they serve everything out of. plastic i would say beautiful it was not. the term i would use for but it is a. good spot. the higher floors you go it gets. extremely sticky until you get you can't. even leave i don't think the fourth. floor oh yeah oh you're talking about. the broadway oh yeah i'm thinking i'm an. old-school og demombrian right okay. that's right there yeah oh yeah that one. is nice yeah and everything's served out. of plastic which was [ __ ] what my dad. thought was the greatest because he'd. take a drink to go with him every day. you believe in stem cells well i don't. know anything about them dude hell.

you're did you be. way beyond my pay grade of intelligence. at this point. i want to get hair plugs is that close. to the same thing or not you're doing it. um. no you're doing fine i think on the hair. man i'm hurting up. listen man my fear in life is balding is. it i can't be fat and bald. you know what i'm saying dude listen dog. when you're fat you got to pick. struggles very intelligently theo really. yeah man i don't get to be you know you. can have a kind of a smelly day and get.

away with it because you're an old. handsome [ __ ] not me damn if i'm fat. and smelly it sticks forever i got to. make sure i'm smelling my dog yeah if. you wake up forget deodorant should i. open a little musty i'll wake up forget. deodorant that'll log it's a damn. ecosystem i'll do it i will it will. follow me like pig pen oh. yeah cause you're a bigger guy man. what's it like being bigger well you got. to make sure every chair won't hurt you. or break you you look first well you've.

got to give it a test you know what i'm. saying for sure you got to ease into it. yeah man damn i don't think about that. kind of stuff and were you always a big. guy since you were young yeah dude i was. fat as a kid man i've just always. struggled with like. and i think it's a part of my my. personal mental health struggles right. we all have our own things and our own. demons and vices and for me. i could literally go on a three-day. cocaine bender right now and wake up on. the fourth day and be like well that was. a lot of fun and not do it again for. weeks or months you know.

but dude you [ __ ] set some snacks out. somewhere and don't let me hover around. more than two or three minutes i'll. start filling my pockets up like i'm in. jail and i'm never gonna see them again. yeah i'm saying like for sure you want. them snacks yeah yeah i'm all about. snacks. do you um. does it scare your way does it worry you. yeah all the time dude i don't want to. be this fat i don't want people. commenting on who's going to die it's. going to happen for sure you know what i. mean oh damn right. it might be me writing it too. i got a couple of ghost accounts ghost.

accounts you know it's like you don't. want to go through that and yeah i'm on. the i got a nutritionist now i've been. working on working on my weight this. year more than i have in a long time. but i also don't worry about as much as. i should because i've been on this. roller coaster my whole life where i'm a. little more plump right now but i can. show you pictures when i was less plump. and i could show you pictures when i was. more plump i just kind of you know it's. kind of part of what i what i deal with. just trying to get on the other side of. the mountain do you feel like um. well what two questions have you ever.

tried any like because i know they do a. lot of those surgeries and so if you. ever done anything like that where they. like get into your system or whatever. yeah i'm just not with that don't you. know i'm not gonna i don't know man. don't [ __ ] don't get cut on and all that. old [ __ ] yeah. i just don't know what people do you. know you know what the most selfish. thing i can say right now is what's real. i've heard when you do the surgery it. [ __ ] with your ability to intake. anything. which i would love for that to be the. case with food but like they were like. well you can't drink more than a half.

gallon of water a day on or it'll make. you sick. what like i don't want to spend my life. i'd rather die young yeah not young like. this but like you know than having to. measure your water you have to measure. my water you know what i'm saying like. just little stuff like. yeah when they started explaining some. of the stuff to me because i went and. talked to the dude you know what i mean. like there's no there's not a fat person. on earth that can afford the surgery. that hasn't at least went and talked to. the person about the surgery yeah you. know and when he started explaining it. to me i was just like and he was honest.

enough too he's like look man. i think that if you just put your mind. to it you'll lose the weight again it's. been proven that you can lose the weight. what hasn't been proven is that i can. keep the weight off. so that's what we gotta figure out next. that's such a struggle for so many. people man you know i i i don't know. what that's like i know what it's a. struggle is like but i don't know what. that struggle is like do you feel though. also. you're so recognizable as this like. larger than life character. do you feel like being larger.

you almost have to be larger no it's. like. i think the real side of it is. it's a decision to live. and i'm just starting to make that. decision. i spent most of my life yeah not giving. a [ __ ] if i live or not just not giving. a [ __ ] i feel that yeah i tell people to. this day like when i really start to get. angry. i have to i've had to have this moment. with a few grown men in my life where. i'm like dog do i look like somebody. that cares. like you should really assess that. before you talk to me crazy.

i have everything written on my body to. show you i don't give a [ __ ] about a lot. you know what i mean it's like i'm just. starting to give a [ __ ] like i'm just. looking at my 14 year old daughter like. i used to be like if i could just live. till she's 18 i'd be okay now i'm. starting to be like i'd like to meet my. grandkids i think yeah you know it's. like you're starting to think about [ __ ]. you didn't think about before and that. kind of magical when those ideas come in. your head that think make you believe. you care about yourself yes that's. insane it's little stuff that's like i. think i do want to meet my grandchildren.

yeah so that's what made me higher in. nutrition is before it was like a chore. to be like i just want to stay alive. till she's 18 so i don't create any more. unnecessary trauma in her life yeah you. know what i'm saying and then it's like. you know it's about her and then it's. kind of like selfishly now it's about me. it's like i don't know man i kind of. want to hang out with your grandkids i. kind of want to kind of want to see. where this thing ends up with her yeah i. want to see what jelly yeah when jelly. starts to kind of coagulate i want to be. there yeah for sure i want to kind of. look cause like now she's cool enough at.

14 that i'm like dude i bet she's gonna. kick ass at 25. i want to see that yeah. you know what i'm saying like oh dude. she's gonna be a whole different human. at 35. [ __ ] i didn't know my ear for my. [ __ ] at 25. wait till she's 35 i'm. like [ __ ] i gotta live for 30 years not. 20. you know what i mean like oh god. damn i need to. oh dude complete accident really yeah. man for sure and was it like a one-night. stand deal or were you i don't know i. was on and off with the girl for a long. time man uh uh well until one of them.

one of my cycles of jail i had bailey. when i was in jail okay you know what i. mean was kind of my thing so. and did you uh was it your first. girlfriend was it was he the mother of. the child. yeah well not my first girlfriend but. you know or one of my earlier earlier. girlfriends believe it or not to be a. big fella i've always fancied myself. with women yeah. you know wife is a real. your wife got them hammers on her baby. look at front yams.

she is a stacked deck. and she is a [ __ ] sweetheart of a. woman. and she's a [ __ ] pitbull when she. needs to be i married a full-blown. german shepherd. she she mixes the pot perfectly but i've. always my wife tells people this is like. i love when she gets with people. wondering like she she's a gold digger. like i was piss broke when i met bunny. she financially supported me for years. yeah. two and bunny is his wife's name yeah.

and bunny got them rabbits. you know what i'm saying mr mcgregor's. guard first time [ __ ] want to. give her the carrot. yeah but and then she'll tell people too. like dude i'm not the first bad [ __ ] my. husband's ever [ __ ] like she's the. first person to tell people like i've. always fancied you know a good. conversation with a nice lady yeah so. that wasn't she so the girl i had a kid. with wasn't my first one she was just. the first one that the pull-out. technique didn't work with oh really. yeah yeah for sure.

i got a son too he's almost six oh. really with the bunny no no. not different relationship they kind of. co-excited there but uh i just i this. girl was pregnant we wasn't together and. i didn't really know much about the. situation with the pregnancy like you. know whatever yeah i knew she was. pregnant and i knew it was mine but we. wasn't together at the time she got. pregnant and me and bunny started. courting each other and yeah it's a. longer story but yeah it's not my. favorite story to tell but yeah i got a. son too and he's cool as [ __ ] what about. that first girlfriend you remember that.

one her first kiss take me there man. take down a little bit of that adventure. oh dude it's a girl across the street. who always is that you're a girl across. the street too. i think it was dude they had this girl. across the street from me and had that. lloyd christmas on her bruh she was. chipped out you know what i'm saying. she had that sand wedge. that's kind of cute though i thought it. was i'd never seen it yeah you know it. was just damn beautiful her tooth had. that damn cowlick you know. and uh. and some people locked us in a room some. adults and you know perverts really and.

they were like watching through the door. and yelling kiss and [ __ ] you. and we didn't know anything about it man. you know and she was the cutest girl. chrissy was her name and she we ended up. so we just kissed you know chrissy i. think that was my first kiss and then. there was another time this beautiful. girl we were playing spin the bottle. dude and i don't even know i i was so. scared to even sit at this circle i was. see we were sitting in the circle. and for years i remember thinking we. were sitting around a fire and then i.

just remembered that's how scared i was. i felt like there was a fire in front of. me because some there was a chance there. could be a kiss yes. and this girl named emily man the bottle. stopped on her and i always thought like. somewhere like in the last. uh chasm or whatever in my heart that. she care thought thought about me or. thought you know thought i was you know. a try or whatever i don't know. and she got to pick whoever she wanted. in the circle dude she came over to me. and [ __ ] the fire got you know people.

were throwing logs on the fire i'm just. so scared. and i remembered seeing on television i. think on magnum pi. uh. somebody kissed somebody with their. mouth open you know and so that's so she. comes in to kiss me and i just remember. just being like. like opening my mouth up real wide you. know and everybody laughed at me and. she still tried to kiss me kind of but. it was just [ __ ] embarrassing but. anyway man what happened to you wasn't. that cool it was a girl.

[Laughter]. it was a little dude i seen the pain i. felt bad for a second i i was a girl. across the street her name was christa. hayes christopher renee. dude i'll tell you this every poor kid. their middle name the girl is renowned. [ __ ] renee. the first shirt i got two nieces from. the same mother and both of his middle. name over there. no those families have middle names like. ours is anne i dated two girls that had. the middle name anne and my daughter. then had the middle name man yeah so.

it's [ __ ] it's that my grandmother's. name was margaret elizabeth ann or. margaret dan but renee is that poor and. renee's poor white people dude for sure. yeah it's just kind of gotta feels. razzly dazzling yeah renee. yeah crystal renee hayes especially her. name was haze so i thought the nay in. hayes was cool crystal renee hayes yeah. yeah she was my first kiss man she was a. little blonde girl across the street god. she's cute she was cute as a button dude. she was a little bitty thing and she was. awesome that was my first kiss my first. blow job was outside of a girl's group.

home oh yeah i could see that. yeah right. the nudes group home and the girls. groupon was by each other yeah and what. happened you snuck over there yeah but. we used to meet outside and hang out. because we were allowed to hang out. outside and then one day we went over by. the the house where the air conditioning. air conditioning unit yeah right there. by the air conditioner why don't air. condition units advertise you can get. blown behind here best dude dude and. it's the noise kind of you know keeps. you feeling like more cover yeah and if. you [ __ ] on top of it it kind of shakes.

and it gives off a little like hot air. oh like that's what we needed you know. how the thing is up top it gets a lot. like it's like a uh like a stove thing. kind of on top of the blow's a little. hotter oh yeah. it is kind of sexy but i went over. japanese i got my first blow job and i. knew right then. that that was [ __ ] the greatest thing. ever oh he was in the blow jobs at that. point oh dude listen i mean i knew that. i was excited to get the [ __ ] and it. was a little let down compared to what. the blowy was oh yeah i'm saying so yeah.

[ __ ] ever since then it's kind of you. know the other thing is almost a chore. it's like oh we've got to do that but. yeah there's something interesting about. somebody being willing to admit they're. willing to put their face on your penis. yeah for absolute choice. until the point of it spitting yeah. that whole [ __ ] is just until you get. yeah when you hit pure yeah there's you. know i remember this gal trying to give. me a bj and uh. i mean once well a couple times one time. i was at a party we're gonna sneak off. into the woods. and. the woods we didn't know it was swamp.

land right so we're back there. 30 40 yards into these woods and it's. like that remember that movie artex and. the swamp of sadness it's just damn. we're up to our necks and damn. i mean leeches i mean who knows i mean. there's no potential i mean mother. nature's blowing me at this point. something's blowing oh yeah you know. what i'm saying there's it's thick where. you're from i could have legit been a. goddamn alligator i couldn't find. anything. it could have been a toothless alligator. boy you know what i'm saying humming nub. down there but i'll tell you this man uh.

so we couldn't do it because of weather. you know logistics right so then two or. three weeks later there's a. there's another party so y'all had a. rain delay oh yeah yeah rescheduled the. game the for sure. ah think about it you're fitting to get. your first blow job ref calling it off. the game gets caught off and uh [ __ ]. tournaments. man i mean it was the bear grylls of you. know we were out in the you know it was. damn it was i was getting hungry that's. how long i was out there. so then the next time was another party.

and. me and her snuck outside and she starts. to give me some type of a [ __ ] or. something and the girl whose pals it is. the mom. comes out from behind a tree dude. and we're right there. and. she's like what's going on and um i. didn't know what to say and you're like. you know what's going on lady and i i. felt like she kind of should have known. you know but i remember just saying that. uh. this girl was washing my penis i.

remember saying. and the mom looked at me like i was such. an [ __ ] for. saying that and i set it off the tip of. my tongue i thought it wasn't that bad. of a thing to say. and uh and she made us go back to the. park she just like you guys go back to. the party and oh she didn't even get to. enjoy it she got rained out the first. time we got [ __ ] the flag on the. plane the second time and then. some guy at school beat me up and stole. her from me no you got that because he. heard she was giving [ __ ].

oh. [ __ ]. yeah oh. damn man yeah the worst feeling in the. world is getting your ass kicked about a. piece of [ __ ] you didn't get. the [ __ ] man. man that time was fun man god it was fun. no i still remember my first hummer it. was [ __ ] absolutely awesome. it was a thing i still remember her name. too it was anita oh yeah really sure oh. yeah anita is an interesting name yeah. it was another one of those spanish lady. no no he was.

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that's right use promo code theo at. checkout just pay five dollars shipping. that's. bluechew.com. promo code theo to receive your first. month for free. so then how did the music really start. to pop up when did that start to really. bloom in your life you know. when i was incarcerated the last time. all stories go back to this. sadly. um now are you behind bars actually. you're just like in a little room with a. door.

well i've always wondered every jail is. different they have some that are. actually like barred you prefer the bars. of the door oh door a little more. privacy. well you know there's a little little. peep window there you know what i mean a. little pie flap they'll hand you food. through if you're locked down or. something and y'all have any sports. groups in there were you as a. relationship yeah i boxed whenever i was. young and uh it's my love for fighting. um and still like as a fight fan a. boxing fan we had a program at one of. the facilities. and they had basketball courts at most. of them but you know what i'm really. good at because of juvenile i'm [ __ ].

forrest gump with a ping-pong paddle. theo really i'm dude i could be in the i. could be an olympian. it's crazy i [ __ ] [ __ ] forced up i am. so i haven't played in years any time we. get drunk and find a ping pong table i. just goddamn going feel it huh pow pow. pow pow pow looks like [ __ ] the fat. serena williams just [ __ ] moving baby. just. i can [ __ ] play ping pong dude. because i wasn't good enough to get on. the basketball court with all the black. guys so you know i just held court at. the ping pong table in juvenile and.

i like that that was my thing. but uh yeah but i was the last time i. was in jail jail yeah. and. i knew that bailey was born while i was. incarcerated that's my daughter that's. my oldest that's why did that bang you. up. yeah i mean it [ __ ] with me you know. what i'm saying it was like it was the. most first moment where i realized i. couldn't be selfish. so i was like selfish as far as like i. had a reason to live outside of self. because i tell people all the time. without purpose.

jason d ford will drive him he's a train. that's destined to wreck. yeah right it's purpose that drives me. every day it's providing for my daughter. it's making music that helps people. it's helping friends it's building stuff. bigger than myself because i put so. little value into myself obviously right. so at that moment i was like i got to do. something i can't i don't want to be an. absent father i had a very present. father. i didn't want to be an absent father and.

i was like i need to you know i need to. stand up and do something here and. i have my skill sets are still to this. day. utterly [ __ ] limited. i mean y'all dude i'm not good at much i. mean ping pong and songs and. talking [ __ ] a little bit and that. [ __ ] yeah and there it stops you know. what i'm saying it's like yeah that is a. short list yeah i'm not gonna win a. talent show or anything like that if i. had to do something other than what i do. now right. and i was like man i don't you know. music's got to be it. so i came home and started putting out.

mixtapes i tell you where i got [ __ ]. can i ask him to pull up some can i have. a pull up some moment yeah pull up jelly. roll 10 minute freestyle. my buddy chad arms recorded this. and. he had like a sony flip cam or something. when i first got out. and uh yep right there. and this is the second or third time we. put it up right. um. so. this particular video. was early early to it this was uh we put.

this up in 16 but i actually. had it up before. from in like 2 000 and. that's you or nine yeah that's me fresh. out i mean when i say fresh out of jail. like i just got that haircut my homeboy. had just bought me that shirt i can tell. that this is very near a halfway house. because that guy in the hustler shirt is. always with he's always in the. background of every halfway house yes no. for sure dude that guy frank or whatever. yeah i mean i.

you know i'm fresh out the lady i was. with at the time bought me a phone i. remember this is how old this was i. referenced the phone because in the. freedom of freestyle i say uh your baby. mama loved me been out of jail for a. week and got a touchscreen it was like a. big deal to have a touchscreen phone. back then for me at least this was like. two the first time it came out was in. 2008. let's see that [ __ ] run it up. for a half a pluck and i ain't tripping.

that's the real price jelly roll is real. white but still got the coke and it's. real nice it's got a base tip but. sometimes it's real white and you don't. know what. [Music]. yeah so this is it right you should if. you ever got 10 minutes to blow it's. worth watching i was like. fresh out of jail with a lot to say and. we uploaded it in 2008 when i 2000 on my.

fault 2009. when i first got home and where does all. that come from so how do you get to this. place though i see that you know like. your mother had issues she probably. maybe had some type of alcoholism or. something you know you said that she had. some issues right right but how do you. get to be this guy you know hip-hop i. was just rapping everywhere i went dude. i was in the county jail hole in court. dude i had guards that would take me to. different units to freestyle people. before eminem did the eight mile movie i.

was living the eight mile movie wow. right in jail and then dude i had a guy. named jazz howard shout out to jazz. howard from crosstracks he would take me. to different barber shops and different. projects in nashville and bet ten. thousand dollars cash i could out rap. any rapper in that project so you know. the local barbershop would like send. somebody to the neighborhood real quick. like shoot over there and grab such and. such such-and-such ducky i'd [ __ ] him up. i'd light his ass on fire grab a mouse. mouse dude jazz give me a couple grand i.

was like [ __ ] yeah like i was like. in jail the the back to the the jail. story when i come home dad bails me out. i called dad i said dad i need you to. come bail me out i said i'm gonna pay. you back they got a freestyle battle. sunday at this club i need to brought a. hundred dollars so i can enter it i need. you to bail me out give me a hundred. bucks and i'm gonna enter this and i'm. gonna win a thousand dollars yeah he. didn't blink he was like yeah whatever. go do it and i had they had to sneak me. in because i wasn't old enough to get. him it was sunday night outer limits. eric mcinally joseph herbert are running.

the promotional company there they sneak. me in i go in win a thousand dollars. right then you must came home showed my. pipes she's like hell yeah son i was. like listen i'm gonna go back and win it. again next week they did it for 10 weeks. for nine weeks i went in there and won. dollars every time true [ __ ] story. and do you i lost one week out of ten. and what cost you that one week you know. who beat me who was this gonna [ __ ]. y'all up you ever seen my boy call hill. on broadway with the drums he sits on.

broadway and raps oh and none downtown. downtown nashville on broadway you got. to go see him he's there every weekend. he sets a drum kit up in front of. merchants and he beats and he freestyles. while people are walking by right and he. makes a living doing this. he's the dude that beat me he's the one. dude that beat me and i'm still friends. with him to this day he's on instagram. his broadway rapper but he's my boy and. to this day he's the only one yeah but i. went did i've just always been in the. rap so i came home from jail. uploaded this it [ __ ] went viral back.

then we had to take it down because i. have a line in there that says in my pos. i hang drywall yeah and my po made me. take it down. she was like we're gonna violate your. probation you're making a mockery of the. state of tennessee she like scolded me. and i had to take it down so we put it. up many years later but it went what. they called viral back then early early. youtube dude when you had to go you when. you could only get to youtube from a. hard computer yeah you know you need to. have laptops go to desktop type in. www.youtube.com. all the way out yeah all the way dude.

you had to hit the ws on there you know. the thing so what uh so now so now. you're at the spot though where you have. the number five song yes sir. and on the rock rock radio rock right. here. so how do you get from where you were. then to now like what kind of happened. take me through some more of it. i fell in love with songwriting through. the process of writing raps. i immediately i was boxed into being a. freestyle rapper okay and i was like i. don't want to be known for that so i.

started writing like songs. and all of my choruses were really. soulful and i'd wrap the verses i had a. song called. you pull up rat jelly roll riding all. alone and i had this record called rad. and all alone and it was really slow. and being a little white first of all. the white from three six mafia you. probably remember. yeah. perkins and lower tabs still one of my. best friends to this day and when i. first came from memphis huh yeah yeah. yeah he's memphis as [ __ ] too when i. first came home from jail we did a song. together and juicy j and dj paul ended. up three six mafia producing an album.

with me white and a guy named p peasy. but. outside of the first song i put out with. him i started putting out these super. like soulful joints like this. uh maybe go to like the minute mark or. something i just want you to hear the. chorus so you can kind of get a feel for. where i'm coming from here. [Music]. and see this was released in 2010. [Music]. right so this is you know [ __ ] 12. years ago right. i just keep on smoking like [ __ ] it i'm. prepared to die say your prayer cause.

lord if you're there right here. watch this check this out. [Music]. yeah but it's like this you know 12 13. years ago right because it went yeah. that would be good and that that that.

that would be good and i mean that's. good now yeah so then i didn't realize i. was singing that chorus. right you know what i mean like i didn't. register to me that i was singing. because i wouldn't like open up and sing. it you know what i mean so i kind of. like did this like. talk sing thing because i wasn't. confident in my voice so i've kind of. always knew. and this somehow i'm glad i got to show. this to a platform as big as yours. because. the therapeutic music that i make now. that's so personal has always been my. approach to music.

like when you listen to that i'm talking. about doctors said if i don't quit uh. quit living like this i won't live to. see 35 i just keep on smoking like. [ __ ] i'm prepared to die i've always. wrote. from that kind of dark perspective you. know. yeah cause i'll listen to save me. sometimes when i need to feel how. sometimes i'm too busy i notice or too. caught up. to really just get my own feelings out. right and so i'll listen to save me just. to. so somebody else can do it for me almost.

in a weird way you know a lot of times i. can get him but sometimes he can't no. that's the beautiful thing of music man. yeah yeah music is uh. music is the soundtrack of the soul. and that's how i've always looked at it. just like tears are the the expression. of words we can't articulate. and i'd look at music as being the. soundtrack to the soul so i've always. wanted to make music that would help. people that song is a great example that. song is [ __ ] 13 14 years old. so i always so the transition has been.

very slow. it seems like it happened quick for the. unseen eye because guys now are like. dude it's crazy you're on rock radio. which is [ __ ] crazy to me too but. the idea that like you know we've always. leaned that way i just didn't know i. could sing. five six years ago i started like really. singing i got drunk and went and sang. but you gotta you gotta you gotta go to. karaoke song yeah i do um. actually i do rocking around the. christmas tree right i do a christmas. carol because i'm not that great of a. singer and um.

everybody likes it everybody first is. like [ __ ] this guy you know queer you. know but then like 10 seconds into it. they're like you will get a scent you. know. so it's like nobody can really super. hate on a christmas carol so i played a. safe bet right no dude it's awesome. but what i love about that is i tell. people we all secretly have a go-to. song we sing in those moments you know. karaoke thing oh i wish mine was that. smashing pumpkin song bro.

you know what my god that one's good. mine is and has always been old-time. rock and roll by bob singer just take. those old records off that's ain't that. interesting oh that's it that's it for. sure yeah 100 percent it's crazy right. it's like the song stuck in every white. trash human's mind forever but it's uh. and you forget it's there and then it. packs his little [ __ ] head out and. you're like yeah [ __ ] i do know that. song. look it'll help you finish cleaning the.

kitchen i know that [ __ ] bro i won't. slide around in my socks yes my mom used. to put on brian adams she got one of. those cassette tape deals where you give. them 30 cents and they send you six. cassettes or whatever and then you don't. pay them and they sue you right. so we had that deal and one of them was. brian adams yes uh look into my heart. oh yeah and you will see. what. you mean. there we go sing it to us.

but mine was oh my mind was old time. rock and roll and i go out with some. business guys one night that i'm working. on a production deal with and it sounds. like drugs yeah. oh yeah it's [ __ ] torturous and and. we're all doing karaoke drunk and i did. bob seger and somebody in the group was. like dude you can really [ __ ] sing. and i don't know why it's all it took. for me to be like maybe i can and i just. started saying i started like really. singing like from my ballsack then you. know at first i was just singing from my.

chest and i started singing from my ass. yeah that's when i was like just clinch. my butt cheeks together and [ __ ] open. my little [ __ ]. hips and just [ __ ] bro. [Music]. like a hound the problem is i'm now. having to learn how to sing and work. backwards from there. so it's like trying to do the stable. stuff you know what i mean or yeah the. inflections of lower stuff is like it's. so [ __ ] hard where it's like. just take those little records off.

yeah that sounds hard. i uh i want to say this though dude what. about the ladies so you got married. where'd you meet your wife at i know. your wife has a wild story. oh dude my wife is [ __ ]. the [ __ ] best. i met her in vegas at a show and she's. be look i'll say this beautiful lady. i've seen her a couple times she come in. the room she ain't looking at me she's. looking at you oh dude you know you.

could tell that wife has dialed into you. no that's my girl man she's she's the. sweetest woman on earth. and uh i met her in vegas and i was. really down on my luck i was living out. of a van i was [ __ ] damn you know. literally i was living out of a. conversion van i was just handed out huh. where were you urinating oh dude just on. the side of the freeway same place i was. [ __ ] you know truck stops and you. know we were doing 250 years old dude. flying j's in love stay away from tas. tas are the [ __ ] word they're the.

trailer park of truck stops i've been. saying that dude a friend of mine. reached in they had a. live fishing well or something in there. at one of them. meningitis from the damn tank in there. but i will say this though he [ __ ] i. do remember he dropped a laffy taffy in. that [ __ ] and he reached in it [ __ ]. got himself some part of that's on him. baby. you know what i'm saying. if you eating candy out of my aquarium. at a truck stop oh dog that look the.

lord he gets to do what he wants nothing. is trashier than a ta yeah if i wake up. on the bus and wear the ta i'm just like. [ __ ] me man how old happened i can't. even open my bowels up at a damn ta bro. but you get me over to a flying j you. get me to a loves what i love about. loves dude if you're using the urinal or. the [ __ ] in there you can [ __ ] and. hear somebody play buck hunter right. outside the door oh for sure dude pilots. are [ __ ] awesome as well yeah they're. pretty good the apple barns or whatever. they're called. west coast they're kind of trash. but yeah so we were like doing 200.

something shows a year. and it's like wow so you guys were on. the road man dude i was opening for. everybody i mean i went out with the. insane clown posse but the first people. that ever took me a little white out was. a group called twisted they were signed. to icp at the time. great dudes man skinny puppy you ever. got with them no but i do well with. mushroom head the metal band. they're [ __ ] fire when i love a. picture of them mushroom head yeah yeah. yeah this is awesome skinny in them on. this icp tour one time i was the first.

active five so i didn't have a like. dressing room or nothing and that means. i went on when people were like you know. still walking in the door and buying. popcorn and stuff yeah totally yeah it. was the worst setup worst set ever. and this band invited me gave me the. code to their bus and they would let me. use their bus as my green room and i'm. forever grateful to skinny in this band. to this day we're friends because they. were so good to me and dude i had a. 1994 conversion band like a southern. comfort high top. and this 1990 something 95 96 i got we.

called it bertha and everybody who. toured with me back then has birth a. tattooed on them shout out scary larry. and the crew they all casey strums they. oh yeah that's it that's my van i feel. like that white one down there with the. high top i know on the left left left. left left right there right yep the. white one boom that is [ __ ] bertha. son wow that is big bertha to a [ __ ]. curtains in the window it might be a. picture yes sir it did that might be a. picture in my van we hung a tv up in it. scary larry and casey hung up a tv me. and highlight would sit back there and.

[ __ ] watch [ __ ] old dvds and stuff. today that'd be damn homeware erotic. yo the bat we have we carried a trailer. on it so the back seat would lay down to. a bed. kind of like a futon or something and i. lived in that [ __ ] theo like. [ __ ] when i met my wife well i was like. i was like come let's smoke a blunt in. the van and she got in a van and she. said again to this day she tells story. gave her anxiety because it was so. trashy it like smelled like [ __ ] [ __ ]. and cigarettes it was like you know it.

was [ __ ] sick people been doing. coming in there coming in there cocaine. in there [ __ ] i think some guys were. tying their arms off it was bad we were. struggling out there man it was a rough. run dude for us the devil's tug awards. bertha dude everybody's got birth of. tattooing have you toured with me in. that area you got bertha tattooed on you. god dude that's when two was so. different there was before before uh. smartphones it was just you were just at. the will of the world oh dude 50 a night. is what i got paid for like three years. straight.

like 50 bucks a night we didn't have. enough room to get gas and a hotel yeah. so it was like we just had to go [ __ ]. park at truck stops and sleep some. nights you know we were banging on merch. we were counting on hand-to-hand cds and. t-shirts dude how'd you used to do them. i'll tell you this i used to break so i. remember once at one point i bought that. burner baby. three shelf burner bruh from the cds. i think i was in damn up near cannon and. somebody run that [ __ ] across the. border still like sweat on the outside. of it really he told the city burn of.

the tower right three cds at one time. burn three and then it took about 19. and then we'd put them on a spindle i'd. hand right on every [ __ ] one of them. dude and i would sell them right off the. spindle and i'd make a title of a. different title like they were different. albums no for sure we did that for fun. or we'd autograph them or have the. friend homie autograph some it was just. like and we'd sell them off the spindle. like we wouldn't even give you a case. for them just be like right off the. spindle this is yours for three dollars. you know or five dollars or whatever i. could i used to do it for donations. and hopefully somebody give me some more.

money i'd be like look man i'm just. [ __ ] i got 40 bucks to open this show. like i remember a lady one time in fort. worth texas come up and give me a. hundred dollars she's like my husband. just died. really she gave me a hundred dollars for. the for one of the cd's off the spot. just gave it she didn't want the album i. don't blame her wow she was like i don't. really. i'm not into your art i'm just into your. hustle i think about how many people. bought the cd and never listened to it. oh i think like the guys in manhattan i. want to say thank you to everybody that. everybody that bought. sometimes i think it was a dvd dude i.

don't even know what was on that [ __ ]. but i sold them and thank you man yeah. no for jeff we did it and i was at that. phase of my life when i met bunny and. she was like this is like she like. adopted a little pound puppy and where'd. you meet her at where were you guys at. we were at this bar called the las vegas. country saloon on free monster a lot of. titles in one yeah pretty big the las. vegas country saloon and fremont street. and bunny was doing high-end escort. stuff she was a sex worker in vegas and. she was getting a.

lot of money i mean she had like a real. big plush penthouse and we had a sex. worker on the podcast one time oh dope. you should get money on her one time. she'd love to tell her story she has a. podcast when you get on her podcast too. it's called dumb blonde podcast he just. in here theo i need to plug my wife. podcast we'll put a link to it yeah yeah. she's crushing man and uh she's like on. on apple she's always like the top 10 on. the comedy chart she really kills. but uh bunny just just took me under you. know kind of took me under her wing and. and. you know what was it about her.

i think she was just. it was like a genuine thing the moment i. met her like i just knew. she was a you could feel the genuineness. from her and she was in a very ungenuine. business right like that business is. slimy oh yeah it's a lot of shucking. it's a lot of game being ran on both. ends she's running game they're running. game it's just a lot of game happening. it was just i could just feel the. authenticity in our and her though i. just like i hate to be the cliche like i.

felt it it was soul mates at sign but i. felt that for real bubba like i felt. that connection with her and she did too. and how did you convince her to do it. because if she's living this lavish. light you know she's living a more. lavish life as a lot of those. you know a lot of sex workers if they. get dialed in on their business and. their business women as well or. businessmen if they gay workers. then they get you know they do real well. you know so how did you get her i mean. if she stops in that van i think damn. this [ __ ] smells like repossession.

out of there bruh nah dude she was like. damn bruh no we got ghosts of freaking. people jerking off in this [ __ ]. and i roll up and have any business. sense the last thing i'm doing in that. van is following him. the absolute last thing. i freaking leave one of my legs in that. [ __ ] she picked up a [ __ ] straight. pit bull she said it was she said her. attraction was i was clearly the saddest. human she'd ever met.

[Laughter]. i swear to god that's what she said for. us because i'm the second one and she. was like you had the saddest eyes in the. room. i don't know we just connected man it. was like. it felt like a love story that was. supposed to work i mean we're talking. about a woman. you know we're talking about an ex-drug. dealer and an ex-prostitute get together. and build what we've built together you. know a woman who has a podcast it's. crushing a big patreon she does she. still does the only fans thing and. absolutely just [ __ ] that and crushes. that to death and then you know i went.

on to [ __ ] dude i'm sitting here talking. to. [ __ ] theo vaughn on a podcast that i. spoke into existence two calendar years. ago yeah right i didn't know you from. the man on the moon you just moved to. nashville what almost two years ago or. whatever and i was like it has been. almost a year and a half. at least a year and a half and i banged. your immediately i didn't know from the. man on the moon i was like yo i'm from. here like i need to get on the cast you. know and here i said it's like not just. because you're hearing my story because. i consider us homies yeah like you're my. boy you know what i'm saying like we're. just talking about some [ __ ] we talk.

about the [ __ ]. in the [ __ ] green room of zany's. right now right yeah. and it was funny too it's like you can. sometimes people are like i want to be. on this and that and sometimes it just. works out how it works out it's like. sometimes you almost just have to have a. time for me anyway where you where you. feel like oh this person is in my life i. want to talk you know i saw you the. other night at brennan's show and i was. like man i just seen you a few times. where you know we've seen each other in. different places. and i'm like man every time. that guy is just people want to be. around that guy you know that guy just.

lights up the [ __ ] room i just love. people dude man yeah and they love you. oh dude i love them and i love you. but it's like who would have thought. that me and bunny's story would end up. you know where it's at and i think she. did before i did yeah and i think that's. why she took the [ __ ] you know the. [ __ ] pound puppy in she was like i. think she had even the vision i didn't. at the time you know oh yeah he was. drooling dude it was like romeo and. juliet baby you know what i'm saying. didn't pick bonnie bunny picked me yeah.

she's the man in the situation for sure. i was just like yes i'll go out with you. yeah and that's just kind of how it. worked and that's awesome yeah we've. been together you know i think six years. going on seven years now. and do you think y'all will have a child. or not i don't think so i don't think. that's something that's in our you know. bunny didn't have a desire to birth a. child. but she always had a desire to be around. children so i think that we kind of fed. each other's needs i got custody of my. daughter. right when i met bunny dude you know.

when somebody's poor when they grow up. foreign white when somebody says i have. custody. getting the word. custody it's the hair bro that's the. most. that was. you know. i don't like telling this part well i. want to tell i think she appreciates it. now her mother had a battle with a. heroin addiction but uh bailey's mother. my daughter. and she's sober now and back in bailey's. life which is awesome that's amazing but. at the time it was bad i mean like you. know really really really true addict.

stuff bad so i was getting custody of. bailey at simultaneously. courting bunny all while some other. girls like in week three of being. pregnant wow so it's like a really weird. moment where bunny had every reason to. run yeah and instead she just [ __ ]. that [ __ ] dug her heels and it was like. let's [ __ ] go throw me the fastest. pitch you can big boy i'm gonna catch it. and we immediately you know took got. custody of bailey she started raising. bailey as her own to this day bailey. calls. bunny mama and calls her mother mom.

so you know and her mother was in a. same-sex relationship she's gay so the. other girl that raised bayley from birth. is a part of it too so bailey's got. three months bam you know what i mean. yeah dude just [ __ ]. that's the limit yeah it's a thing dude. i mean it's a big legal limit i think a. lot of us i'm the only testosterone in. the room besides bunny because she's a. little aggressive sometimes but it's all. [ __ ] [ __ ] and me but it works out. great. do you have well there's tell me about. one of the toughest times you guys had. on the road was there you guys party.

pretty hard i'm sure was there a night. where you didn't think he was gonna make. it any night you end up at the hospital. yeah i had a. cause i had a night man it's a few years. back. this is more than a few years back now. but i was like sitting there and i was. so close to going to the freaking. emergency room my heart just. just rattling baby just you know like so. like a cheerleader was shaking that. [ __ ]. mine was codeine so it was the opposite. damn it was going so slow. that between breaths i would hold my. breath for a second and put my my thumb.

up to my throat or behind my ear to see. if i could just catch a light poop. boop and i was like i thought i just. drank too much cough syrup and i thought. it was over. how much did you drink it what was it. yeah no no no dude we were doing you. know we were getting we were getting the. real active actors and you know we were. going for we were mixing the potions and. oh wow sometimes we just get the. straight pink the codeine or you know. just the straight you know what. sometimes we get the purple but we you.

know we do we were doing. you know 8 10 12 ounces just filling up. put dropping fours and sprites every day. and just getting them gone before noon. and then i'd be so low i'd from that. [ __ ] four ounces or six ounces or. eight ounces of codeine i would [ __ ]. do some blow to pick myself up and then. i'd take a xanax to try to go back to. sleep you know and that's what i tell. people too when they're like you need to. worry about your health i'm like trust. me man i'm gonna live a long longer life. than y'all think i have changed my ways. dramatically when people see me out.

drinking a lot they're like you're fat. and drink a lot i was like i used to do. eight balls of cocaine after eating. codeine for breakfast and i would. balance it out with xanax. [ __ ] you i was a molotov cocktail of. death that didn't kill me i think a. little obesity will be okay while i'm. currently working to lose the weight. karen i'll be [ __ ] all right okay i. don't need you worried about my heart i. have a cardiologist [ __ ] i'm fine i'm. losing weight you should have seen me. when i was just running around like my. drug of choice used to be more who was. saying that was my drug of choice like.

what's your drug of choice what you got. [ __ ] oh yeah what do you have the. most of. my favorite weed was uh. cocaine. [Laughter]. that was it dude yeah for sure they were. like damn baby only person that could. smell that is you yeah yeah. um. guess what my dad would start doing. what's that this is a god rest his soul. he would get a couple drinks and then he. would walk to the back of this bar. and he would just be like hey can i just.

i just need a cup and i'd give him a cup. and they had an ice machine in the back. and he'd go fill up his own cup and then. get in the car and pull out his bottle. from under the. he mixed his own drink right there in. the console put his seat belt on drop. the top on his little sebring. convertible put his sunglasses on. he'd have one for the road man. yeah dude he had a sebring man it's they. all when he passed away. you know there wasn't a lot to to divvy. up around the family and uh because his.

wife's a [ __ ]. but. what what what we did end up getting i. haven't met her but i know her yeah yeah. right. so but what we did get was his sebring. and i gave that week we have i wasn't. like i was in charge of giving [ __ ] away. but as a family we decided to give that. to scott so his son could have it who's. in college or you know what i mean or. whatever and his the sebring's still. around dude scott scott's one of my. response my two brothers are super. responsible i'm not scott and roger. rogers the old wisconsin next one so. scott has to see bring and.

roger just wanted the kentucky derby. stuff because they him and dad used to. go bet on horses together you know and. all the stuff related to the meat. business and i took the pictures of the. clowns but yeah dude the sea brain is. still in the [ __ ] family scott tented. that [ __ ] scott tuned that [ __ ]. up it's nice man it's running that kind. of thing's pimping every time i go see. him down in georgia we'll take the. seabring out to go get a drink hey come. in it bro make it mean something that's. it dude i did lose bertha yeah i'm sad. about that i messed up i missed my van. everything needed to go dude. i put four transmissions in and i put.

400 000 miles on it we beat that thing. to death yeah wow on the fifth. transmission i just never went back and. picked it up damn yeah yeah dude i. remember my friend billy conforto dude. who was uh. probably the greatest gay prize fighter. that never. was in like any sanction fights you know. he just he was homosexual but he beat. people up and nobody ever seen it right. yeah it was an obscure thing oh no he. didn't i mean. still i mean still you see some of it. but you never saw it like this dude bro. and he uh.

he had he he hired some dude and then. everybody gave him like 1100 to fix his. transmission that dude [ __ ] never. fixed it we went over there to pick it. up finally we opened up the hood and. everything inside of it was gone he beat. his ass didn't it yeah he did. he did dude the guy thought he could. punk him because he was a gay dude you. know and billy [ __ ] lit him up bro i. know some gay people did every gear. inside of that dude bro i know that i. know uh bailey's other mother cheyenne. uh her baby gays can fight okay listen. cheyenne fights like a dude yeah.

bailey's other mom. fights like a [ __ ] dude that gay. women and gay men should fight each meet. in the middle and fight oh yeah for dude. listen i got my money on cheyenne 9 out. of 10 times they used to have foxy. boxing at a strip club in nashville and. cheyenne would show up like a ringer and. just beat the brakes off people dude. we'd show up like a chicken fight taking. bets on the side and cheyenne would just. be in there fanning [ __ ] people out. it wouldn't be fair because the girls. being there bouncing with their titties. they looking all cute and shine was just. coming they're just [ __ ] blind.

just swinging from the goddamn shoulders. all hip action dude looking like [ __ ]. a karate oh yeah. yeah she would just dude. they used to have a group called [ __ ]. fist fights right. yes and it was gay it was a gay men. group and they came to different college. towns and they put boxing ring at a bar. and the me and gay men would fight you. know and they would you'd buy you pay. five dollars whatever you get in and. these dudes would fight bro i'd pay a.

thousand dollars for a ringside table. one of those right now it was crazy man. i can't believe they used to come to. hammond louisiana they'd roll through. probably twice a year and we go over. there and watch [ __ ] wrestlers come. through too we never i always heard. about that but i never saw that kind of. [ __ ] you know i do yeah we got it here. at the fairgrounds every other month. yeah it was the best. it was there was no fair. they have this thing at the evening. where you run out of this place. dude these [ __ ] midgets dude would. [ __ ] we're going to be politically. correct now [ __ ] that they're [ __ ].

[ __ ] dude then they call themselves. mitch it's called [ __ ] wrestling. different ones do the old school ones i. think will will say it but then a lot of. new you know if they're fancier then. we'll say it yeah yeah the fancy midgets. that makes sense the real trashy poor. midgets are like midgets right yeah. these were poor midgets then dude but. they would do like. double gainer backflips off the top rope. yeah it was some [ __ ] that like they. should a couple of them guys should have. went to the wwe. yeah i don't know yeah well i don't. think well wwe missed that whole they. didn't they never got into smaller folks.

being in there yeah rey mysterio was. like. the closest thing right yeah because he. was like you know acrobatical i think. they left the acrobatical [ __ ] to. lucha libre wrestling oh you go down in. mexico you see whatever dude is that. what they're called is it lucha libre i. believe it's at the movie. that's i think that's. yeah that wrestling was [ __ ]. people were doing backflips and [ __ ] and. i think that's what the [ __ ] wrestling. was they couldn't break a table i mean. they were so small man you'd have to cut. the table down the middle before they.

even got on it yeah they were cheated. off the bottom they would kind of bring. it you know cut sawing three four three. four inches do you know uh was there any. time y'all got hijacked or anything on. the road or robbed. no we never had the deal with nothing. like that. yeah we got not paid a few times we. stole some tvs out of venues and stuff. we've took pictures and art and all. kinds of stuff. [Laughter]. it's just that thing above the urinal. that says when there's a call when. there's a car auction.

i stole neon signs you know what i mean. i've done all that stuff i broke a. window at a bar before just like then. they were like we got insurance i was. like but you won't be open tomorrow. [ __ ] i was like [ __ ]. one of my friends can you do youtube. comedian touches uh. neon sign. i think it's our friend jamie lisso did. this. oh uh how much they have all this stuff.

now. remember when you could find there was a. nine videos and you could find it every. time yeah now it should be. so lis. i think it's him. oh there it is right there comedian. electrocuted on stage. i just ate three sticks and i'm still. hungry. [Laughter]. it just made threes. [Applause].

no he really birthed him then if he. didn't try it again. that's how enormous pets were kind of. hard though i would have had that would. have had it happened twice to me yeah. for sure i'd have been like no i'd touch. one more time one first sure one more. time just like let me just say i'll be. like that ain't real yeah no i stole a. neon sign out of a bar though did they. ever not pay y'all. i'm trying to think yeah but it was more.

like shady stuff usually you had to get. yeah well usually you get with the agent. before you can go get into the clubs. before that it's just weird rooms they. had a guy who would it used to just be. bringer shows like you had to bring. eight people right you know and so you. get there and like you don't have. anybody. you can't perform how did you get picked. up by an agent in your business. i think you just start doing well you. get about 10 minutes going and some. manager sees you and then the manager. connects you with an agent usually you. know. and they'll tell you because you got to. feel like that's got to be a hard.

business to break like you just got to. be crushing where did you cut your teeth. at. i cut my teeth a little bit in new. orleans and i cut them mostly honestly. in la you know i moved out there and i. hadn't really performed much and. and i took a comedy class even i went to. a class and people always make fun of. the classes and [ __ ] i went there and. the best thing about the class was i. hated the class i was like i'm better. than everybody in here even though i. wasn't yeah but in my head you know. you're just like oh i'm cool you know. um. and they had um. at the end of the class you got to get.

on stage and perform that was the. graduation yes you were in front of a. full room and you got a three minute. tape you got your tape and my tape was. decent then you go around other places. and then. you know next you know it's five years. later and you're you know starting to. travel around and do it and then it's 10. years later and. at that time i think around 10 years i i. thought about quitting i moved back home. for about four or five months really. yeah and literally what encouraged you. to get back. i don't know man i was with it i broke.

up my girlfriend and i broke up i don't. know i was at home i was working at a. mexican restaurant. bartending in a mexican restaurant i was. not a good bartender and. uh i broke some equipment and i [ __ ]. i still i might know those people in the. men's honestly but i broke some damn. equipment there one of them margarita. makers you know that [ __ ] i was trying. to put it back together late at night. and i couldn't figure it out. and i broke that [ __ ] and. the guy then they you know they were. upset and i don't know at that point i.

felt like. there was no reason for me really to. stay i think i kind of hinged my bets on. this girl kind of so when that fell. apart i felt like i didn't know what to. do and then i went back i guess that's. what happened yeah. who all did you feature for early. oh that's a good question man uh. our feature for this one guy named mark. lundholm. and. sober guy super funny dude but he smoked. cigars right and we got stuck up in uh.

notre dame of mishawaka indiana oh yeah. right outside of south bend right. outside of south bend man we even went. over and saw the bar where like rudy. would sit at and sit in the seat and. stuff's real cool. but. we were stuck indoors it's 30 degrees. we're stuck indoors and we're sharing a. little condo our house. and he smoked cigars. and i was like hey do you mind not. smoking indoors and he's like i'm going. to be smoking you know and that [ __ ]. would smoke two cigars before he'd go to. sleep i think yeah he's just lighting. them off each other yeah yeah and if i'm.

wrong mark i'm sorry but that's just how. i remembered and. you know daddy got tom rhodes too who i. love who i gotta have on here sometime. and when he used to smoke marvel reds. and he and i had to share a place in. shreveport one time and i remember i. asked him i said hey man we might not. smoking indoors he goes i'm gonna smoke. it i think he lit one right right up. then he might have lit two up. he lit two up i think he made me hold. one one more question because i gotta. ask while i got you yeah why did you. probably tell it a thousand times what. was your worst or most memorable bomb.

i mean i've had one that i've told where. i just kept i bombed and they didn't. know that i had to come back out between. each act it was like a battle of the. bands. so they booed me off in the beginning. and i burned my material so fast because. it hated me. but i had to keep coming back out. and it was horrible dude at one point i. came out with an american flag like. left.

and i had to do like another probably 20. minutes right. and the best part was towards the end i. would kind of sneak like i was going to. come back out and like there's no way. he's coming back out you know and i'll. just come back. [Music]. and they would just die laughing because. they couldn't believe bro one time i. went out and saying smooth criminal i. didn't even [ __ ] know the. [Laughter]. i didn't even know the [ __ ] words.

and that [ __ ] man oh but at the time. wrote her i felt. bad even asking them to pay me i just. wanted to leave. and it's such a dichotomy of leaving a. place when you've crushed it and that. feeling of bravado and i did good. then that other feeling of leaving when. you did not and still having to get to. your vehicle get to lee and you know. you're going to run into people.

and you just feel that energy. people just turned it out so. jelly roll man i appreciate the time man. i feel like we covered a lot of stuff to. you. you feel like we covered a lot of stuff. i love it dude [ __ ] yeah if when you. frankenstein i think it'll be the. funniest [ __ ] ever. what is it. i don't even know. oh i don't know either man. i'm just trying to stay alive jamie got. a damn electrocuted brother. that s-u-c-k-s baby.

that sucks. um dude thank you so much so now you're. on tour so just tell us where you're at. now you know yeah man here goes my. shameless plug um because you've had. this on me you've had a lot of the songs. that hit what what really started to. catapult you then let's get to that save. me. yeah yeah there was a lot of like that's. what i tell people everything i did was. a step on the ladder. save me was like skipping 10 steps on. the ladder yeah you know i know your. story and you save me now it even it. it's more it means.

it's under more yeah it's like i could. bore you with like every little step. that helped and there was so many. everything mattered is what i tell. people everything you're going through. right now in your career if you're a. young up an aspiring artist comedian or. whatever every one of those little. things matter and then there's like a. small tipping point that happens like. the malcolm gladwell book where [ __ ]. just kind of save me for me will always. be that moment of like. you know what it's fun i don't know how. it is in your business but it's always. the [ __ ] you don't think is going to be.

it yeah dude we [ __ ] wrote save me on. a sunday we recorded save me on a monday. we shot a video to some no but we were. quoted saturday recorded it sunday shot. the video monday put it out tuesday. wow. that's how that worked. didn't think twice about it. and did you know that it would be that. you did you know did you have an inkling. you honestly have any idea i just knew. that i couldn't quit [ __ ] with it. i just knew that it was something about. it that just stirred my spirit.

and i was like hype just man we gotta go. for it and i just. i was proud of it. i was like to me it was like a therapy. session publicly. you know and that was like the biggest. thing for me was like just letting those. emotions out. in a public way was like i don't know. some songs i have songs theo that i. wrote that mean a lot to me that i'll. never play anybody ever because they. mean that much to me. and save me was one of those songs that. could have been that song but it meant. even more to me so it was like nah this.

one needs to go out like. i just i don't know man i was just. prepared for it to i i loved it so much. i didn't care what it did. if it popped or flopped i just felt like. [ __ ] you know this is the last thing. i'll tell you this story. people. i was talking to travis ogun from. strange music once. we were talking about how. i get thousands of emails a year of. people who say or messages a year that. say your music helped me. i overcame drug addiction i was going to.

kill myself and i found your music i was. literally i've had messages that were. like i was sitting there gun loaded. listening to a playlist that was going. to be the last listening of my life. and found a song of yours that made me. feel like man this is it touched me in. such a way. that it changed my decision and this is. my thing if i get. 5 000 of those a year. and 4. 99 of them are lies.

holy [ __ ] can you believe we saved one. [ __ ] human. you know what i mean like let's just. assume everybody's full of [ __ ] but one. [ __ ] guy. holy [ __ ] man you know what i mean me at. the end of the day. that's what saved me was about it was. like man. what means the most to me and that's why. i write the music i write is people come. up to me and oh dude. such and such was fun i love that song i.

danced to it but when people come up to. you and say dude we played save me at my. cousin's funeral that overdosed. and it's now his mother's favorite song. and the way she copes with it or we. played smoking section at this funeral. or. we played smoking section to commemorate. this or hey man this song helped me when. i got out of rehab yeah. that [ __ ] is like. [ __ ] what this shit's about dude you. know what i mean like when a. [ __ ] is like dude i don't just. watch your podcast for humor it was the. [ __ ] first thing i laughed at after i.

got out of [ __ ] sobriety. like that's the [ __ ] that touches the. soul you know what i mean. yeah a friend of mine recently told me. he said yeah man if you have a story and. you don't share it if you it's that. thing that you're afraid to share you. know it's that scary thing you know. that's the connection that's the thing. that you know that somebody else could. really be waiting to hear you know. there's a reason why there's that. magnetism of uncertainty with you with. with uh with with sharon's stuff. sometimes you know and yeah man it's. wild to help how certain things can have.

an effect on people i mean there's songs. i go listen to that. of certain friends that passed away and. i go listen to a certain song and it. reminds me of them it reminds me of him. it reminds me of a. certain times in my life when i cared. about certain things you know it is the. power of a song is really powerful yeah. it'll take you back to a place in time. man yeah dude will take me back to that. freaking that bon jovi song baby yeah. maybe yes baby it'll take you right back. to being in the front seat of that. [ __ ] car for however you felt the. first time you heard it oh it's also the. greatest feeling on earth is when you.

hear a song for the first time and the. feeling you get yeah i remember certain. songs in my life that i heard for the. first time and like it just changed. everything about how i thought about. things just one song. yeah don't go chasing waterfalls by tlc. i remember we were driving to the mall. one time and that [ __ ] came on dude. and we [ __ ]. we were never the same. for sure. tim and joey we were never the same we. sang that thing do you have a favorite.

song. uh. i got some stuff that we play on the pod. sometimes by evan bartels i love. he's a local singer-songwriter i love. listening to hit some of his stuff. do i have a favorite song you know what. i like right now listen to dirt by. florida georgia atlanta just really like. that song i'll get stuck on the song for. a little while you know. i've been into country music more since. i've been here but i listen i've been. listening to juice world recently that i. really like. um. i don't know if i have a favorite song. do you yeah well i'm one of them weird.

dudes that has a top five in every. category of everything i've got i've got. a top five comedy bit list. of like what i think was the best top. five comedy bits. to me personally but songwise number one. as of now they they're subject to change. every now and then is against the win by. bob seger. that song just has told my story and i. feel like it's the story of who i am as. a human what i've been through as an. artist and where i'm at as an artist now. and uh i just remember the first time i. heard that song and just thinking man. this is this is my life and and i still.

feel it every time i listen to it so you. got things on to youtube you and then. things started to really pop from there. then when save me came out yeah man it. was just building the youtube and you. know just building just putting out. music oh yeah with those 30-something. million i mean your spins are crazy man. yeah yeah save me said almost a hundred. million now. 97 million almost if. some of y'all want to go check it out. gang [ __ ] with me and get me over the. line here look up populations of. countries right now i want to see. what country is listening what country.

could have entirely listened to yeah. what country could have everything get. warranted really quick i think when i. looked at it recently it's like one. third of the american population. yeah that's probably about right let's. go to just can you go down is there a. list is there a chart there we go get. that chart let me zoom in a little bit. daddy. let's look at 100 million right there 98. there we go. vietnam holy [ __ ] baby we're close to. touching egypt dude i need to get to the. egypt mark you close baby that would be. fire dude they could have been over. there [ __ ] mummies and [ __ ] bang and.

save me the philippines they want if. once you hit philippines baby that is. massive it's crazy that it's more than. the united kingdom that's nuts. that's amazing i never thought about it. like that i think about it from like. football fields yeah you know what i. mean like. that's how i just. like categorized things to me as you. know how many people how many nights. could i sell out a football field if at. that rate you know what i'm saying it. was like 30 nights or something and now. y'all are playing bigger venues now. you're touring yeah i'm throwing the. shine down later this year tickets. actually go on sale they should be on.

sale by the time y'all see this tickets. are on sale jelly rolls shine down the. [ __ ] they've had more number ones. than any rock band in history wow i. can't believe i'm going out with them. it's surreal that's amazing it's just. [ __ ] awesome so i'm going out with. shine down later this year i got a bunch. of headline dates. jellyroll615.com you want to come see me. sure you use the support and we're. playing a lot of festivals dude amazing. that's gonna be a blast bro people gonna. love it i got a big announcement coming. from nashville in a few weeks i got to. figure out but you know it but i got a. it's for a mayor for everywhere yeah for.

sure not just for nashville no no no i'm. saying you know you they're out now but. i'm saying we're going to announce our. nashville show oh we're going to be back. announcing big announcement about the. nashville show coming up it'll be. it's going to be. insane. it's. never thought this ain't even something. i want to say i dreamed about this i. didn't think it ever happened it was sad. what was that song that bon jovi saying. one of their hits tim who's in here. we've been fighting this all day bizzle.

we can't remember the bonjour i had. hours to think about it even after and. [ __ ]. silently still is that bon jovi in the. dead poison okay not them. who was it damn uh. bad medicine. no. look you look a bun. nose before that. let's sing a song for the i don't think. that was it uh. johnny works johnny working down in the.

dark. working for a man he can't shorten. [Music]. that's living on the edge baby oh yeah.

shoot me. johnny's what we're gonna die. you gotta hold on to what we got it. doesn't make a difference. [Music]. babysitter we're halfway my babysitter. played that it was the first song i ever. remember hearing i went on a prank. because i heard it with a woman i heard.

it with a chick and i thought she was. cute and so in my mind that that made. enough glue yeah and so dude i kept me. wearing our car you were living on a. prayer break. i kept saying hey let me put your seat. belt on for you again. we'd be driving i put our seatbelt on 30. times just rubbing my hand across her. chest dude then hopping behind my. buddy's map in the back. y'all were sharing the maps together. oh man we're both headed the same. direction eh. jelly roll thank you so much uh we'll.

put the information where people can. come check you out when does the tour. start do you know i head out at the end. of this month to do the east coast run i. think those are all sold out but the big. shine down tour starts in the fall i got. some dates getting announced with a. couple other guys that are big friends. of mine and i'm supposed to talk about. it but i will because i don't care i'm. going out and do some shows with cole. wetzel our boy oh yeah yeah i'm doing. this i gotta help. me and co wetzel got a song coming out. later uh that's really dope um called. role model aka the cocaine song and. um yeah i got some [ __ ] cooking man it's.

gonna be a big year for me dude i'm it's. it's surreal we're like doing full. amphitheaters all year it's crazy. dude that's amazing red rocks red rocks. is on sale right now there's only a. couple thousand tickets left we went on. sale a few days ago and there's like. 1700 tickets left i would be i would cry. if i could hurry up and sell them just. to have the piece you know i sold out. the [ __ ]. top two most legendary venues in america. that'd be fascinating man yeah code's. unbelievable code is just a i mean he's. that he's a.

he's that [ __ ] you texas rock country. southern he's like me you can't really. label what he does anything it's just. different you know yeah. he is. what is the word i'm looking for it's. he's a rebel yeah no for sure dude it's. polarizing he's a rebel man yeah he's a. rebel man dude he's like he's like me he. does not give a [ __ ] he's one of my. favorite people in music.

well [ __ ] him and we'd be happy to have. him in here sometime um. [ __ ] you because we'll have to have him. in here sometimes jelly roll thank you. so much man and congratulations on all. this success and just thanks for sharing. your story man uh i can relate to. certain chapters of it and um. yeah it just seems uh. it seems like you. what you're creating is just part of. your life man it's cool to see thank you. for watching bro thank you for having me. i love you man it means the world yeah i. love you too bizzle gibbons tour. managers thanks for stopping in riley. mao peeked in before we had to go to i'm.

sorry some type of church meet up. and uh nilo sat in today to help produce. so thank you guys so much gang gang. gang. now i'm just floating on the breeze and. i feel i'm falling like these leaves i. must be. cornerstone. [Music]. [Music].

it's gonna. take a little time. for me to set that parking brake. and let myself all mine. shine that light on me. i'll sit and tell you my stories. [Music].

[Music]. and now i've been moving way too fast on. the runaway train with a heavy load of. mine. [Music]. now.