Jeff Bridges | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #665

Today's guest is a legendary actor, uh The Big Lebowski, True Grit, Crazy. Heart, if you haven't seen that one, Tron, many more. He's got a new movie, Minions and Monsters. It's in theaters. July 1st. Uh. I had quite a time with today's guest, Mr. Jeff Bridges. >> [music].

[music]. >> Let me get my right specs. You might be. too far away for these. >> No, what you got? Plus two plus two? You. got 2.5s? What are you rocking? No, ones? >> these are prescription, man. These are. my reading glasses, but I have Let me. say. >> try those bad cats on. >> Well, let me say here you go for the. That's a reading. >> Just give me one pair. Don't wear You. don't get them both, huh? >> No, I think I'd go for the other one, man. >> Oh, let me see how I'm looking.

Oh. >> Huh? >> Nope. >> No, a little off, right? >> Yeah, not bad, but. >> Yeah, this is better. Okay. >> Not that I want to pick a wife out with. those on, you know? >> Are you getting close? >> I mean, I'd like to be married. >> Yeah, I'd like to be, but sometimes it's. out of your control, you know? >> Yeah, anything close? >> Uh I'm not that at the moment. >> been close? >> I think I've been close, man, and I just. wasn't like.

uh just like my heart wasn't in the. right spot, my brain wasn't. I was. touring a lot, and I wasn't ready to. like um. >> oh, yeah. >> I had two wheels out of town, you know? >> She kicked you to the curb, or you. kicked her, or a little both? >> She Yeah, I've had them They've all. kicked me They've all, at a certain. point, kicked me. But, I deserve to be. kicked. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know it's you, man. It's tough. I resisted it as long as I. possibly could. >> You did? >> Yeah. >> Well, you've been married You've had a a. >> We just had our 49th anniversary.

Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Really a good one. I scored, man. >> Yeah, how'd you score that, Don? >> Well, I was making a movie called Rancho. Deluxe in Montana. And we're. shooting in this place called Chico Hot. Springs. They They used to do brain. surgery there 100 years ago. It's like a. hot spring place. >> For sure warm water, that's where I want. to be cut open. >> Exactly, man. Yeah. And I'm sitting. there in this hot tub with Harry Dean.

Stanton on one side and uh Sam Waterston. on the other and. we're doing a scene. And I look across. and I see this gorgeous. girl. with two black eyes and a broken nose. >> Oh. >> And that juxtaposition of that. disfigurement and the beauty, you know. The you know, part of the trouble with. these interviews like this, cuz I've. done a bunch now, is I end up telling. the same story. I don't want to tell the. story, but it's one of my favorite. stories, so I don't mind. But it feels a.

little funny cuz I told it so often, you. know. So, I think I imagine people say, "Don't tell that story, man.". >> I've never heard it, man. So, he You and. I have never talked about love. And so, you see So, you're sitting in a tub, first of all, with two men. >> Oh, oh, oh. Oh, and I And I'm going to. show you something I think I got I. usually don't have the thing that goes. along with it, but I think I got it in. my satchel here. So, I'm sitting in. there with two guys, Harry Dean Stanton. and Sam Waterston. See this gorgeous. girl with a broken nose and two black.

eyes. I finally get up my nerve to ask her. out. Now, you know, asking somebody out, you know, it's tough, isn't it, man? >> Oh, it's hard to get your nerve cuz your. nerve, sometimes it feels like it starts. at your feet and you got to get it all. the way up your body. >> young now. I'm in my 20s, man, you know. I'm nervous. Yeah, I'm nervous, but I'm. not I'm unpracticed, you know. >> Yeah, unrehearsed. >> Unrehearsed. And I go up there and I. say, "Would you like to go out with me, maybe have dinner or something?". No. I say, "Really?" She says, "Yeah, it's a.

small town. Maybe I'll. see you around, you know.". And her prophecy proved true. >> Mhm. >> And at the wrap party of this movie, she. showed up, and we danced, and that was. the done deal. Now we cut 30 years. later. We're married, have three kids, and I'm going through my mail on my. desk, and I get this letter from the makeup.

man on the show where I met this my now. wife. >> Wow. >> And he says, "I was going through my. files, and I found something that might. interest you. It's you talking to a. local girl.". So I have a photograph that I'm going to. show you right now. >> I think I have it. Let's see it, huh? >> This is a shot of the first words. ever spoken between my wife and myself. >> Oh, that's a dang hieroglyph of love.

>> Isn't this a wild thing, man? >> Yeah, of course it is. You got it, right. here. >> And. >> Dude, thank you, [clears throat] bro. That's cool. >> is a wild and this is my prized. possession. Let me see if I can find it on my. >> Get that thing out. >> a two shot. >> Mhm. >> Here is the moment, and you can see, look at the look on my face. I'm totally. cold cocked here, man. Look. "Would you. like to go out with me?" No. Click. The. picture's taken. There it is, man. >> are smitten, dude. >> can tell, can you? >> How Even from a side angle, you can see.

>> done, man. It's over, you know.". >> Full smit. Oh, beautiful. >> Huh? And so, but I resisted because uh. you know, we don't want to lose our. autonomy, man. We'd like to you know, and there's so many beautiful girls all. over the place, man. >> But do you think even while you're that. So, do you think Thank you for showing. me that and congratulations, too, man. Um. Yeah, and just having love for that. long, you know? I think people sometimes. don't think that when they get into a. relationship, what they do get out of it. if they work it well is they get love.

>> Well, >> You know, people forget about that part. of it. I mean, they may they may also. get other stuff, too. But, um but do you. think like that that's one of the things. that keeps you keeps a guy from asking a. woman out sometimes is the fear of. losing their autonomy without even. thinking about that? >> That's what Yeah, so. >> Cuz you usually think it's just general. fear, right? Cuz I never thought about. it like that like what you're saying. like cuz I think about it, oh, I'm like, I feel like if I'm going to ask her a. lot, I feel like, okay, I'm nervous, right? But, I've never thought that the. nerves are really just like a deep. internal feel like it's your autonomy. showing up and being like, no, we're.

going to lose it. You think that could. be true? >> Oh, absolutely. That's what it was with. me. Uh. you know, I'm in my, you know, prime. >> Oh, you were prime rib. >> you know, I mean, I was, you know, my. career was on the rise, all all these. beautiful women that were around. And uh and I felt it was like literally. like the cartoon where the eyes go out, you know, I was boom, in love. at first sight. I was And it was. frightening to feel like that. >> Yeah.

>> Uh but and so I was torn. And uh. >> [snorts]. >> Well, I. you know, the high that we're looking for, I find. or the one I'm looking for um is. intimacy, right? That's what And that's. what marriage. That's the playing field of intimacy, you know, you can you committed for. the whole shot and you say. And I'm just lucky that I found somebody. who's. I'm so uh. >> [sighs].

>> attracted to and the intimacy seems to. grow. But, you what you your question. triggered. >> [laughter]. >> You know, we we we we lived together for. about 3 years and it was on again off. again. And uh. uh. she says to me. Hey, I know you love me. And uh. and that you have a bullia. Now, a. bullia is a disease mental disorder that.

my mother used to. tell me which I have a hard time making. decisions, you know. >> Oh, yeah. >> She was slightly joking with me, both my. mom and my wife. She said, "I know you have a bullia, but. I'm going to go back up to Montana where. you found me cuz my biological clock's. going off, you know." You know. And uh. I finally worked up I guess it was. courage or I don't know what it was. I. don't know I prayed on thing. I got down. on my knees and said, "Okay,

>> [gasps and sighs]. >> marry me, you know." And I had this. image of a handful of sand and there was. one little diamond in there and that was. Sue, you know. And if I if I can't let. that diamond go, man, you know. And I. gave myself a caveat. I said, "You can. always get a divorce, man.". >> That's sure to. >> You know [laughter] what I mean. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, that was my caveat. Now, we cut. about a week later because Sue says, "When do we going to get married?" I. said, "Oh, how about this weekend cuz I.

don't know how long I can hold this. thing, you know.". >> [laughter]. >> That's a good point. A lot of people put. the wedding way too far out. >> that would have been torture. So, we. invite a bunch of our friends over to. our little house up in Malibu up in the. hills there. and get married. Now, we cut to Maui. Uh we the seven sacred pools we have our. honeymoon there. >> [snorts]. >> And I'm looking at this gorgeous scenery. and but all I can do is smell the.

rotting mangos, man. I'm a pouting Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> And she goes, "What's wrong?" I go, "Nothing. Nothing." She she goes, "Oh, let's annul this.". I said, "No, no.". >> No, that's just bad fruit. >> Yeah, oh, and I she put up with that. for years. >> Really, just that bad, just recognizing. the recognizing the rotten mangoes, huh? I feel that, bro. >> Oh, oh, and. thank God she didn't kick me to the curb. and that I finally got with the program. and say, "Nobody fool me.". >> What made you get with the program?

>> Well, the you know, I have mentioned. intimacy, you know, you get so intimate. you go through so many bad times and. good times and every time you go through. a tough time. you either. accept, you know, give it up or you your. love and intimacy connection have to. grow to hold that weird thing that was. threatening it, you know. >> One thing you said it was like you're. like, "I had like a handful of sand and. there was like one diamond in it." It's. crazy how many times in our lives, I.

mean, and really I'm just speaking for. myself, I think, and I don't want to. speak from from like a negative or like. down or place, but there's been times in. my life where I've had a handful of sand. and like one diamond that was like a. special person and I chose and I chose. the sand. But um but sometimes I think. it was fear or it was like. >> Well, as we're talking about the. metaphor, it's not so much choosing the sand for. me, but it was I'm going to choose this. handful of sand, sand being all the. with cuz there's a diamond in there. [laughter] You know what I mean? So, I.

said, "I'm okay, I'm going to take you. know, it was a. uh I'm so uh. it was an unconscious decision on that. side. Although, I you know, I felt it. was so strongly that I gave myself that. caveat, which is a weird thing to go. into a marriage saying you can always. get a divorce, man. >> But it's that's not a bad call. >> God, I guess not, man. It worked. >> you know, it worked. Yeah, it worked. And it obviously if it if it lasted this. long was was there one of them like was. there like a more pressing moment that.

came in? Like yeah, what's cuz one of my. friends I was talking with Jared Leto he. and I are buddies we met at the UFC. fights and I was just randomly message. him and I said hey I'm going to be. talking with Jeff Bridges and he said a. lot of nice things and. and then he said yeah how is he had so. much luck in love like how how did like. why does he think his marriage has. lasted so long it's like are there like. yeah like what was one of the tougher. moment like that you had to evolve cuz. it sounds like you you're saying you get. to these moments and you either choose. to kind of evolve and it adjust like the.

volume of your like intimacy. >> Yeah. >> or you choose not to. um. >> Well. >> and a lot of us choose not to at times. you know because it feels safer. >> Yeah. >> [sighs]. >> Well. there's something that I call what do I. call it. our primal battle or primal war. that we have. and it's basically. you don't get it.

you don't get what it's like having a. relationship with somebody like you you. don't get it you don't understand me at. all. and there's such truth in that because. we none of us really know the other. person really you know. and what we'll do. we started doing this in the it's. happening now as the years go on less. and less and I kind of almost miss it. and just happened recently and I said oh. good we get to do it again we'll sit a. little closer than we are here and.

facing each other. and we'll take turns you know whoever. wants to go first can go first and the. person just says all their feelings. and the other person. just listens they don't think of their. rebuttal they just. their task is to just receive what that. person again it's intimacy man try to. get that get that. >> All the feelings about them and. everything? >> About everything. >> Got it. >> And we've tried not to use, you know,

you, you, you. The you message. We try. to say, "This is how I feel. This is. what I feel.". >> Yeah. >> And then the other person does their. side, and the other person listens. And. we go back and forth. That often really. scratches the itch in a beautiful way. Sometimes it doesn't. But it's uh. a really a cool. >> [snorts]. >> strategy to deal with the basic. thing. that you don't understand. what I am, what I'm going through. And.

marriage is a great, like a playing. field or a, you know, >> Yeah. >> board to really explore all of those. those emotions that are so real for all. of us, you know, cuz we're all separate. people. >> Right. >> But we're similar in that we're human. beings, you know, we have feelings and. >> Yeah, and that's the closest we get. I. mean, that's one of the closest. relationships that you have. I think to. be able to do that with any relationship. is pretty cool. But to really look at to. look at love as like a playing field, to. look at like a relationship with someone. else as like a playing field, and let's.

try this out. Like let's try out some. things to see like just how brave can we. get with like our vulnerability or with. learning about ourselves. It's pretty. cool. >> That's right. >> And they used to have these things in. tribes, like in certain tribes, I don't. know which There's one I'm thinking of. specifically, but they would have these. kind of dance off things, like partners. would, and they would like try to like. like they would dance in front of each. other, like kind of process their. energies toward each other. It's kind of. fascinating. So, I kind of related to. something like that a little bit. >> Well, also, you know, uh.

I'm saying it's like a playing field or. a, you know, a place to practice. relationship, you know, uh. >> [snorts]. >> And I find it overflows into my work in. making a movie or just being here with. you, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah, I notice stuff like that. >> same thing. Now, I would think, what you. do, and I uh I'm not as familiar as I. might have been with what you're up to, but I.

Googled you, you know, before I showed. up today. I said, "God, look at this. guy. He's really into some great. interviews." I saw your interview with. Mike Tyson. >> Oh, yeah. It was [snorts] wild, dude. Dude, he was. out of his mind, but but he was also he. was also the most in his mind. >> Exactly. He and and the Louis C.K. >> Oh, he's one of my heroes, dude. >> So, you had some great and you get. intimate on these things and that I bet. I bet when you finally find a girl or a. guy, whoever which way you're laying in,

to connect with in that deep way. >> I hope it's a woman. >> Yeah, you [laughter] know. >> I'll say this, if it's a guy, I'm going. to be shocked, bro. If they like, yeah, if it's an arranged. marriage and it's a guy, dude, I'm going. to be I'm going to email my mom. >> Oh, man. >> yeah, dude, I you know, I like talking. about stuff like that and it's. important. And some of these people like. Louis is one of my dearest friends in. the world. >> Oh, wow, man. >> He's one of the deepest people I've ever. met in my whole life. >> I yeah. >> I got to be at a I went to a party.

recently and. him and Bob Odenkirk were there. Have. you ever met got to meet Bob Odenkirk? >> Oh, no, but I admire him, yeah. >> He's a and he was just like and I they. were talking, dude, and I just got to. sit there and listen to them. >> Oh, wonderful. >> It was like yeah, that was something. pretty special. But yeah, it is. interesting like cuz this is the playing. field that we get. You know, sometimes. we forget that this is like whatever it. is, like whatever like God has intended. or the world or the energies of what. like that put us here to we have this. like like a fish come into like the edge.

of the glass and being able to like see. just just get [clears throat] like a. peek out into the universe. This is it. So, all the things that we want to do, we have to try them while we're here, even if it's scary, even if it's hard, you know. >> Oh, yeah, and don't you find I don't. know know you, but I'm addicted to. comfort, man. I like to be comfortable. >> Yeah. >> And the problem with comfort, and maybe. it's not even a problem, it's kind of. both a problem and a solution. When. you're comfortable, you're not growing. You're not You're just being You're just.

relaxing [snorts]. being comfortable. >> It's a coffin, man. >> It's a kind of a Yeah, it's a coffin, right? >> It's cozy. >> And all these little challenges of life, and I resist these Like marriage, man. I. resist this. >> Yeah. >> Because I don't like to be challenged. I. don't want to be uncomfortable. >> Yeah. >> But I notice every once in a while I'll. do these experiments on myself, and I. say, "Okay, you feel this way. Now, why. don't you just go against that and. do something adventurous and.

challenging, you know? And see what happens. Just to. around, you know? So, I'll do that. On. the other side of that, 99% of the time. I say, "Wow, I got off, man. That was. cool.". >> Yeah. >> I'm I'm. I'm. something other than I thought I was. I. didn't think I could do that. >> I know. >> Isn't that wild thing? >> Yeah, we forget that like this is like. this is a school, I think. We forget. that this is a school, you know? And you. kind of just get used to the recess of. it. >> Yeah. I That's something I remember. I.

never went to college, but I thought, "Gee, I think I'll put my I'll be a the. dean of my own college. I'm going to put. my You know, and I I didn't do it as to. the degree that I wanted to do, you. know? But to give myself assignments, you. know? You play guitar? >> No, I don't. >> but I You know, I play guitar, but I. say, "You know, I should take You know, I'm always jealous of my friends who did. that woodshedding, you know, and learned. all that stuff, you know? I said, you know, I notice I don't do. it, but I could. I could [clears throat]. put myself through,

you know, a college course of guitar. It's all online. There's so much stuff. online. >> Well, it seems like you've done a good. job with kind of like nurturing your. creativity over time, you know? It seems. like you stay active with like I saw. like a lot of the and it's one thing. that Louis C.K. does too is he's a great. sculptor. People don't know that. And I don't even know if he cares if I. share that or not but like you'll go to. his to his apartment and he has like all. these crazy sculptures that he's made. and it just it just like he reminds me. of like just creativity. It's it's not.

stuck in one spot. It's not you're just. this or that you can use it in different. ways and you can also try to see if it. sticks in different ways. It's like. throwing like a spaghetti like you know. of yourself against the wall of like the. world or the universe or something. But. you seem to have done that a decent. amount with like music, acting, and with also I've seen some of your Can. you even bring them up Nick? Some of the. sculptures that you have. Yeah, dude. >> Oh oh yeah, my heads. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I make you know I'll do a pot or. something and then I always have a.

little piece of clay left over and I. just let my hands go and say do you know. and they come up with these heads. I don't know. aspects of myself or what the hell they. are but um. >> That guy definitely. I'm going to say he was Italian at one. point. >> [laughter]. >> But yeah, beautiful group there. And you. vend these or you do you give these away. for charity or something? >> Um. >> Or do you just do you prize them cuz I.

guess they're like they're kind of. pieces of you in a way. >> Well, they were a it's sort of a. semi-abandoned project. I say semi. because I still may. kick this project off. It's kind of dear. to my heart. It was a project called. head for peace. Oh yeah. >> Look, already. >> I support it. >> Who don't want head for peace? >> Yeah, exactly. >> [laughter]. >> You know what I'm saying dude? Bro, I. will be the lieutenant governor of the. project or whatever.

>> Yeah, yeah, good. Well. >> I'll be on the front lines of head for. peace. >> for I got very tight with a cat named. Bernie Glassman. You know that guy at. all? Does that name ring a bell? So he's a Zen master. He was. He's no longer with us. And I was at a party with You know who. Ram Dass is? >> Yes. >> So. >> [laughter]. >> I give my It was Ram Dass's birthday. >> Oh, dang. What do you even get him? >> I go Well, I. This is what I give him. I say, "Ram,

can I call you Ram? I always wanted to. give you a little head, man.". >> [laughter]. >> In my head. >> And he looked at me kind of strange. And. then the guy sitting to my left was this. like little Jewish guy, you know? And he. goes, "Hi, I'm Bernie Glassman." I go, "Oh, yeah.". And he says, "I really dug Lebowski, man." I say, "Oh, yeah." I said, "Oh, yeah.". And he says, "Yeah, I'm He says, "I'm a. Zen master.". >> [snorts]. >> Uh I don't know if [clears throat] he. actually said Zen master, but he maybe. said, "I'm really into Buddhism" or.

something. But he turns out this guy was. a heavy. Zen master. >> Huh. >> Uh. and he says, "Lebowski is filled with. Zen koans. You know what a koan is?". Like, you know, "What is the sound of. one hand clapping?" That's kind of a. famous It's like a question that you. don't have a certain answer. You just. have to kind of give you a. a vibe or trigger something to you, you. know? >> Let's see that real quick. >> Yeah, you can Yeah, there you go. What. Yeah. >> A Zen koan is a short paradoxical story.

or dialogue used in Zen Buddhist. practice. Uh rather than riddles to be logically. solved, they are meant to exhaust the. rational mind, allowing the practitioner. to break free from the habitual binary. thinking and experience reality. directly. Some examples are the sound of. one hand clapping. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Um. >> So that anyway, that's a perfect. great definition. >> Got it. >> So Bernie says, "Yeah, I really dug. Lebowski. He says, "It's filled with. modern-day koans, and I'm all about. bringing Buddhism up to speed with.

modern-day times." I said, "What do you. mean it's filled with. modern-day koans?" He says, "Well, look. who wrote and directed it. The Coen. brothers.". >> Aw. >> And I said laughing and I said, "What's. another example?" He says, >> Yeah, cuz that one's mid. That one's. pretty mid. >> Yeah, he says, "The Dude abides. That's. very Buddhistic right there.". I said, "Give me another one." He says, "Well, my favorite one. is that's just like your opinion, man.". >> Mhm. >> I said and that is it. That's my.

>> My favorite one is. >> At least he came with three. If he'd. only had. >> he he he then he goes on. I said, "Give. me another." Shut the up, Donnie. That's another one. You know, they're. just it and he was filled with these. things. And I said, "Those are pretty. good." He says, "Yeah, let's write a. book, man." I said, "What do you mean?". He says, "Yeah, we'll write a book about. about this. You into it?" And I thought. about it and I got such a hit from this. guy. You know how you get a hit kind of. immediately with people, you know, boom, you know. >> Yeah, some people are fascinating. It's. like meeting a cool pet in the street. >> Boom, you know.

>> Yeah, you keep patting it or whatever. >> And so we got in cahoots. We went up to. Montana for a week or two and wrote this. book called The Dude and the Zen Master. Oh, you got it up with there it is. There's Bernie. >> Let's go. >> Yeah, man. >> And what happened to him? >> Huh? >> What happened to him? He passed away? >> He died, yeah. I was just you know. >> He man, he could have faked it and he. could be in Barbados. >> But this guy I would advise your viewers. to check him out. You can go you know,

you can Google the hell out of him. He's. got so many wonderful books. >> Um Bernie Glassman? >> Bernie Glassman. uh. >> Well, kudos to. >> The infinite circle instructions to the. cook. Uh he got he's he's what's so. great. Oh, anyway, getting back to the. heads. So, I had this weird idea. cuz I got very involved with his. organization called the Zen Peacemakers. >> And were you spending a a of time with. him? Like were you like did you guys. have a weekly or daily practice? >> I.

>> You know, I didn't really. >> Like, were you becoming a Buddhist? Like, that's what I'm. >> Well, I you know, I've in my. spirituality, you know, I could we could. talk about that, you know, this this is. a whole kind of a. I'm interested in all kinds of spiritual. stuff since I was a kid, raised, you. know, I guess Christ from Christian. point of view. But, Bernie and I. uh. I don't know my was it I. the word guru does kind of sticks in my. craw. I just thought of him as as a.

dear, wise friend, man, that really I I. got so much. out of. Um. And anyway, he had this organization. called and it's still [clears throat]. going on called Zen Peacemakers. And my idea with these heads, I was. going to make 108 heads. That number is. significant in Buddhism and a lot of. relations religions. And [snorts]. I would. rent these heads. for $10,000. a year.

>> I've rented a little head before, but. lower price. >> put them in a little box and stuff. And. basically, it was like swag for people. who wanted to support the Zen. Peacemakers, you know what I mean? Now, along with the head. the person would get a certificate. You. know, you'd get the thing about, "Hey, let me give you a little head." You. know, you get to say that joke to your. friends. You could pass the head on to. other people. There would also be a. website that would talk about the. genealogy of the head, who had the head.

last you know, I just went I my fantasy. I just went way up out there. >> Cabbage Patch Dolls kind of all that. Right. >> And I don't know if it but it's still in. the works. I still have a but then I got. hit with this flood up here and all the. heads got lost and so I had to make more. heads. >> saying there's some missing head around. here. >> There is some was head. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, I need some head, man. >> I mean, yeah. [laughter]. >> But, you know. But,

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and I pick up my song and start writing. a song, and then I get mad at myself. because now you're supposed to be. studying, you know. But, like you said, uh, talking about, you know, oh, you. have creative you're a creative person. Doesn't all just focus in one line. I. find when I'm in a creative mode, you. shake up that juice in all kinds of. creative things, drawing, you know, I was doing a movie with, uh, Peter Weir, a wonderful movie,

he invited me to do called Fearless. I played an architect who went through a. plane crash. And I said, I think I'm going to go out. and buy a bunch of art supplies as this. character and paint as this character. I. ended up. you know, papering my hotel room and. just going at it. And the next morning. had breakfast with Peter. I said, "Look. what happened last night." He goes, "Oh, well, that's going to be in the movie, man.". You know, he brought do a song. Oh, that's in the.

movie, you know, we'll put that in the. movie. >> So, just create just being create just. creating. >> Yeah, remember. Robert Duvall, wonderful actor I got to. work with. in movie called Crazy Heart. He played. my best friend in that. >> Yeah, he played the bartender. >> And he played a bartender. >> That's one of my favorite movies, man. >> he was so wonderful to work with. He said, you know, when I meet with. young actors and when they ask me do you. got any advice? He said, "There's three. things I'll tell you.

Hobbies, hobbies, hobbies. Develop hobbies, you know.". >> Yeah, I feel like it cuz. >> You know, it all goes into the into the. work, you know. >> Yeah, sometimes I feel like yeah, I got. so busy working that I don't even have. any parts of myself anymore. Does that. make any sense to. >> your hobbies? Do you have a hobby? >> really have any. >> You don't have one hobby, man. Think. about it. >> I mean, I like to go to the UFC fights. >> Yeah, well, that's a hobby. Do you do. you a martial artist at all? >> No, I used to take some classes, but I.

haven't taken them recently. I think I. was just touring a lot and recently. things just stopped like about a month. and a half ago. And so, it's kind of the. first time where I feel like I'm just. kind of looking around and being like, "Okay, well, who am I?" you know? Like. who am I like I've always just been kind. of my work. I haven't always just been. my work, but I realized that somewhere. along the way like I let that just be me. who I was. Does that make any sense to. you? >> Yeah, I mean, from my point of view. looking at you, this is kind of your. hobby. Kind of what you do here. You've. combined your work and your hobby so. closely, it seems like that you just.

like to engage and uh. >> Yeah, that's true. Well, I think my. hobbies became jobs. Like doing stand-up. comedy, I guess was kind of a hobby at. first and then podcasting, I guess was. sort of a hobby. >> Yeah, so they then they mature and they. become not hobbies anymore, but real. real things. >> But I would like to do gardening. I. would like to go on more walks. I think. I want to go do some camping this uh. year. I want to. um what else? I'd like to be in love or. whatever. >> you surf? >> You know, I don't surf, but I wouldn't.

mind maybe going to Costa Rica. I think. it's pretty easy to learn down there. >> be cool. >> So maybe I'll do that. >> What about um ceramics? You ever mess. around with clay? >> No, I haven't really done it. >> You might dig that, man. It's. cool. Or the guitar. It's a great never. too late, man. It's just so easy cuz the. the where you put you know, it's just. pictures of where you put your fingers, those dots. And you just do that. >> Oh, dude, I'll tell you this. I did love. playing the guitar for a little while. >> you did do it. >> Yeah. So I need to get back to it.

You're right, dude. Maybe if I pick. something like that up. >> Yeah, and you've got it already. It's. kind of like a bike. I mean, can you. play a D, a G, and a you know, you can. play three chords, right? >> play Bobby McGee, dude, you know. >> Oh, man, well, then you're there. >> Nothing left to lose. I can get us. there, you know. Me and Bobby McGee. Isn't that the song? La la. >> Kris Kristofferson. >> Dude. Bro, I'll tell you a story. So I used to. live with my buddy's dad when I was in. school cuz I had a little bit of ED when. I was younger, right? Cuz of mental.

whatever mental health or whatever. And. so my buddy's dad got wiener pills, right? When they first came out. Right? Cuz people didn't know they were coming. out, remember? Everybody just standing. around, their wieners weren't working. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And then bam, they came out. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And uh and so I went and live with my. buddy's dad, dude, right? Because I. could pause I could like kind of cop. some of his script, okay? Cuz he could. get them, dude. But anyway, while I was. there, I was learning the guitar and he. used to have this girl over and they. would like lay in bed together like post.

coitus or whatever after you know, in. the evening and they'd invite me in. there and I'd play. uh. Tears in Heaven for them. I'd learn to. play that. >> Oh, see you did do it, man. You know, that is that's one of the challenges is. that we let some of these hobbies. atrophy, man, when you just you know. what I mean? I mean, that's I'm talking. to myself now. I mean, like guitar music. is kind of a hobby with me. >> Oh, yeah, I noticed that. I mean, especially with. >> But it every once in a while it'll kick. kick in and then get pro for a second.

and then it kind of wanes and the season. of interests, it's interesting to me. how we have these seasons of uh. interests, really, you know. >> Like when it kind of flares up, but it I. think it is nice. I will say this, it's. nice even hearing you say some of this, Jeff. It's like. there's value in keeping things warm on. the on the stove because then when you. need it, it's there. >> Yeah, that's true. Yeah. >> I think cuz yeah, even when I look back. at like certain times in my life then. like even just being able to sit there. and and have something to do with myself.

and my energy and my and my thoughts, um. that felt good to me like in a real. place, like in a real deep place that. felt good. Like there was a lot of value. in that, man. >> a weird thing that pops in my mind. about passion. >> Mhm. [clears throat]. >> You know, we're saying, well, if I had. passion to play the guitar, that would. lead me to I need to get passion to do. you know. And then somebody said. and this made sense to me, no, the. passion is the fire you get when you rub.

two sticks together. The passion doesn't happen before you do. that. >> But if you're standing around with two. sticks, you don't have any passion. >> Yeah, you got to get in there and just. say, I'm going to pick up the guitar and. and you play the thing and you have to a. couple of Oh, oh, well, now this thought. this happened. You know, cuz there's. this thought of uh. you know, when we're creative in in in. the sweet spot, it's doing you. You're not doing it. You. know that feeling, right? Isn't that a. cool feeling, man. >> Creativity is this thing on the It feels.

like it's on the other side of like the. mirror of existence, and if you kind of. do your thing, it'll show up and meet. you over there. >> right. But, you got to show up. >> Yeah, you got to show up. They say in in like a I'm in some. recovery programs, and they say that you. can't think your way into right action, but you can act your way into right. thinking. >> Yeah. >> And I think it's It's reminding me of. what you're saying. It's like Yeah, I. can't sit there and think like this is. going to be perfect way. It's like I. just have to make the win make the. start, and then the rest of it will meet. me there, you know. >> Fake it till you make it, isn't that. it's a one of the say What a great.

I want to say religion, but you know, Alcoholics Anonymous and. all of those 12-step things. What a. wonderful religion, man. What a. wonderful. >> One of the best ever, I think. >> Oh God, isn't it a great idea? >> Yeah, so many people like do you go to. church? And I'm like, I go to church. some, but I go to If I go to recovery. meetings, that's like four or five times. a week, then I'm joining up with other. guys, listening to what's going on, getting outside of myself, um you know, connecting with the higher. power. I mean, it's like a.

It's like the military for like uh. probably having a relationship with. yourself and a higher power and others, I think. >> So much so much uh. so much good has come out of it. And uh. what word popped in my mind was it's got. so much room, you know, I think. [clears throat] that two Was it Bob? Who's the other guy? Bob and. >> Yeah, Dr. Bob and Bill. >> Yeah, Bob and Bill. One was. the real. religious kind of guy in that first What. is it? The first thing a higher a power.

higher above than yourself. >> Right, a power greater than yourself, yeah. >> yourself. And that's so challenging to a. lot of people. Uh but the the other guy kind of softens. It doesn't have to be God, the white guy. you know, with the big beard. >> No, just anybody other than you, it. says, yeah. >> Just anything else, you know. Uh. >> I know it's It's amazing that two people. got together and made and created that. I mean, they had so much other stuff. that that that made it happen, but it's. it's absolutely fascinating. There's a. great movie. I think it's James Woods.

who played Bill W in it. >> is that a good one? Oh, yeah. >> That's my favorite one, I think. >> I I just saw um. >> I think it's James Woods. Will you look. Is that who it was? Do you remember? >> I don't I think I think it was. I think. it was, but I never I don't remember. seeing it. >> James Woods, uh, JoBeth Williams and James Garner. Yeah, that one I think was my favorite one. >> Yeah, have you seen Anthony Hopkins? Do. you dig Anthony Hopkins? He's pretty. great. I just read his autobiography. It's really wonderful. I think you might.

really dig it. >> He's in recovery meetings. He's He's. open about it. That's the only reason I. say that. Yeah. >> And I saw this thing, you can see it. online. Uh, I thought it was him just sharing at a. meeting, but I said, "Well, that's weird. because they're anonymous." You know, but I think it was a movie about him. playing a character, but he was referred. He referred to this exact same thing in. his book. So, he was improvising in a. movie. But, [snorts] he talks about uh. being sober now for, you know, 50 years.

or whatever it was and about when he. first got sober. He said he was, you. know, driving and he blacked out. >> Yeah. >> And he could have killed himself, could. have killed other people. And he said, "I got to go got check myself into a. meeting, man." So, he went to a. an AA meeting. And he started hearing all that God. stuff and. he said, "I'm I'm out of here. I can't. take it." And the guy's talking the. story. I said, "I can't take it." He's. leaving and this fellow stopped him.

and he was [clears throat] a priest. This guy stopped him and said, "Where. are you going, son?". He says, "No, I I can't dig this. man. I can't dig it.". He says, "I need a I need a quick fix, man. I need to something that will snap. >> Right. Snap me out of it. Patch me up. >> And the guy says, "I can give you a. quick fix. This is the fastest prayer in. the world and it's guaranteed to work. It's only two words. Tony said, "Well, what is it?" He said, "I'll tell you the prayer. You ready?". it.

>> [laughter]. >> You know, it. Just this. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Just stop this Just you know, you. you have the power to say, "Fuck it.". Don't take it too damn seriously. Just. stop it. You know, you don't have to do. it. You know. >> Yeah. >> And uh I love that coming out of uh you. know, thinking of that. >> Out of a priest and that I that idea of. just Hey, you know, my my mom. >> But like you don't have to do it. anymore. That's what he's saying. Like. that.

>> Yeah. it. Yeah, it or you. know, >> [sighs and gasps]. >> or your struggle. You know, you. all your I can't this this this. yeah, YOU THAT, MAN. >> IT. YEAH. that. I'm like back at. that place sometimes in my life right. now where I like. I go down the struggle road and it's. like you're right, it. Just get. your ass up, get your done, and get. on to doing the things that you need to. be doing. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I agree. Sometimes, bro, the craziest.

thing is like uh it's sometimes you. don't want to have to be the person to. come to your own rescue again, right? It's like that's life. It's like you. have to be the person to come to your. come to your own rescue. But even even. that is just me it's a more that same. story. It's more of the thing it's like. it's like adding all this lore to it. It's like just it. Just do the. I need to do if I want to get better. >> And I remember uh this. >> you saying that, bro. I need to hear. that. >> You. check out just Google Anthony Hopkins.

it and this will come up. It's I. mean, he does it so well. It's wonderful. acting. >> We owes me a good story. The first movie. I ever saw. >> guy for your show and I bet he'd come. on. >> I've actually I've I've heard him speak. at meetings actually, too. >> so good. >> Yeah. Um. but he owes me a good story because the. first movie I ever saw was uh Silence of. the Lambs and it scared me so. bad. Yeah, that I couldn't even go, first of. all, to a petting zoo or go to sleep for. almost 11 months. >> Jonathan Demme, man, what a great, you. know, Terms of Endearment, you ever.

check that out? >> Yeah. >> God. >> Or or what about Stop Making Sense? >> I haven't seen that. >> Talking Heads, you a Talking Heads fan? Do you like the Talking Heads? >> No. You don't like them. Oh, I don't. know them about him. I've heard of them. >> Oh, man, you got to check out. David Byrne, all his stuff is cool, but. Stop Making Sense. What a great concert. film. >> check it out. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um. dude, thanks for thinking about some of. this stuff with me and just for talking. like transparently about different. stuff. Um you how is uh speaking of of.

Alcoholics Anonymous, how is uh Bad. Blake doing? How's he doing? >> He's doing well. I'm on the wagon now. for a few months. >> Are you? Congrats, man. >> Yeah, I go back and forth. I go back and. forth. But uh it's nice when you break. the uh. you know, break the chain there and the. sobriety's a wonderful high, you know, it's a it's. >> It's a real high. And you know what, it's kind of a high it's it shouldn't be. a hobby, but it's like it's a it's a. very important hobby. >> Yeah, it is. >> a safe thing to say or not? >> no, I know what you're saying. I I. haven't uh I haven't commit, you know, I.

I I would have whole one day at a time. I'm not looking to never get high again. I just I just wanted to stop. I got, you. know, >> Yeah. >> and I stopped and I haven't wanted to. have another drink. I see that frosty. glass of Tito's or something, I'll say, "Oh, man.". >> Yeah. >> You know, but I don't have to, you know, you can want to, but don't have to, yeah. >> And then a few minutes later I usually. feel kind of better and then it's not. having to deal with some of the. repercussions. But also I think. sometimes even if you just want to take. a break from having a drink or having to.

talk, whatever it is, going to like. 12-step meetings, it's just a great. place to be around other humans. It's. like it's a place that still exists in. our society of like real connection. There's a book a guy wrote about how. there's no more bowling leagues. Um. And can you look that up? It's like. I'm trying to think of the title of it. But it's about how a lot of these have a. lot of men's bowling leagues and men. would get together and they would bowl. Uh. Bowling Alone, The Collapse and Revival. of American Community. And and it was.

just about giving men a place to be. together and uh. >> Yeah, well, House Keep, man. That's all. That's what There you go, bowling, man. >> I. It's just funny that that this is kind. of where some of this conversation is. going. Before we get on to the basket, though, I want to say, yeah, how is Bad. Blake doing, man? Do you ever feel like. And first of all, thank you for being. him, dude. That was a That movie like it. just like if I need to Sometimes, dude, in my life it's like. there's like feelings that are stuck. inside of me and I can't get them out. And so, I'll go I'll listen to a certain. song or I'll watch a certain movie.

and it'll make it'll do that exact. thing. It'll let the air out of whatever. that is. >> Yeah, yeah. >> So, thank you so much, man. That movie. really does that for me. It's like But. then you also wonder like, man, like. I hope Bad Blake's okay, you know? It's. like cuz it's it's a it's it's a tough. it's a tough road for everybody involved. with him, but it's also a tough road for. him. >> Yeah. >> ever like. like wonder like what the second part of. his story was or do you ever like. like do you ever have like little like. visions of how it went for him after. that? >> Well, I'm he's got to get back with.

Maggie's character, man. You know, he. does That's how I'm thinking, yeah. >> What was she even doing? She met. somebody, I guess. >> that falls apart In my mind, that's. falls apart, you know? Who knows? Maybe Now, you know, that. movie was such a wonderful experience. Uh. you know, I'd often thought as an actor, I said, "Oh, it'd be great to play a. musician. I love playing guitar and I've. been doing it since high school and I. you know, I write songs and stuff.". And uh. And but then so this guy, Scott Cooper,

who was being championed by Bob Duvall, uh he Scott gave him a script and Bobby. loved the script and Scott first never. directed before. sent me this script for years, man. >> For years it was coming through. >> coming through and I'd say, "Well, it's. pretty good, but there's no music. If there's not good music for it, then. you know what? And now I'm walking down. the street and who comes down the street.

but T-Bone Burnett, my old buddy. We go. back many, many years. Met him on a. Heaven's Gate and he did the music for. Lebowski. That score is all T-Bone, you. know. >> Oh, and so and he did also for Crazy. Heart, right? >> And he and he was he was the producer. Yeah, he was the producer too. So T-Bone comes walking down the street. He's got a new album out. Now God, check. out all his music is so wonderful. >> T-Bone Burnett? >> T-Bone Burnett.

And so T-Bone's walking down the street. and he says, "So what do you think of. this script Crazy Heart?". And I said, "Why, are you interested?". He says, "Oh, yeah, I'll do it if you'll. do it." I said, "You're kidding." I. said, "There's no music." And he says, "Oh, that's the easy part, man.". I go, "Bone." He says, "Come on, what do. you think?". So now here life is you know, life gives. us these opportunities, these gifts and. like you say, you can let the sand go or. you can say maybe there's something in. there. I said, "I'm frightened, man.

You know, keeping it in the dream world, it's safe, right? But you can't feel it. But if I bring this real, I could fail, man, you know.". >> Dude, that's the same thing for. everything. >> IT'S FOR EVERYTHING, MAN. But here's one. of my good buddies saying, "Hey, let's. jam." When I look at this gift. I said, "Okay, we can you know, too cool. to turn down, man." So we jump into it. and this young director, uh Scott. Cooper, my god, what a great director.

You look at his movies that he's done. And now we meet, uh you're over at. T-Bone's house working on the script, and there's something so cool about just. the beginnings of making a movie when. it's all in ephemeral, you know, you. don't know what's going to happen. And. we're in there, and in comes this young. kid who was hired as a to play a part in. the movie. And he says, "Yeah, I was jamming last. night on my guitar, and I came up with. this tune. I don't know if it's any.

good, but I just thought you guys might. want to look at it.". >> That's how it happened. >> It's Ryan It's Ryan Bingham, man. And he. hands us this cassette. We put it on, and I look over at T-Bone, and his face. goes. And he says, "Because if we didn't have. that tune, it wouldn't have The whole movie would. have fallen apart, but weary kind, you. know, that. >> Oh. >> that What a wonderful tune. God, >> Oh. >> what a tune. >> Dude, and just those words, man. It's. >> T-Bone wanted to make name the movie.

Weary Kind. That's what he But, uh. yeah, and what an experience. And Maggie. Gyllenhaal, oh my god, what a talent. And look at her directing now that she's. doing. >> I know, and she's married, huh? >> Yeah, she's married to Yeah, Peter. Sarsgaard, wonderful. >> have Yeah, of course. >> Oh god, yeah. But anyway, you get all. those talented people. >> I know. >> Oh man, and I've had wonderful luck with. first-time directors, guys. who you know, who haven't ever directed,

and then they get a shot, you know, you. get a strong producer who wants to. champion these guys. Steve Clovis, the guy who done Have you. saw a movie called The Fabulous Baker. Boys? >> Haven't seen that, but I Maybe I have. seen that. >> that's my brother and I got I got to. work with Beau, my brother, in that. And. first-time director, wrote it when he. was in his early 20s, I think. God, what. a talent. >> Yeah, yeah, I always wonder what. happened to bad Blake. And I just hope. that he's doing good sometimes, you.

know? That's the thing. Sometimes you. think about that as characters. It's. like you hope that they're doing good. Because you don't get to see him. You. just get to see this part of their life, like, you know? >> Well, in my mind he gets back with. Maggie, man. And that kid and that. little kid. >> Yeah, what happened to him? Buddy. >> Yeah, buddy. Nice, man. I love his his. real name. The kid's name is Jack. Nation. >> I love it. >> What a great What a great name. And what. acting. is that? >> website, too. I just want to say that. >> Jack Nation, it is. Oh, I didn't know. >> It's a lot of gooners or whatever, but.

it's chill. It's fine. >> [laughter]. >> Double entendre, man. >> Yeah, it's a double entendre. It is. French. It's the French. They'll do any, you know, they're they're. You know what I'm saying. But dude, yeah, I just wonder sometimes. And where did he go off to at the mall? I'm always like, of course he ran off. somewhere. It's like he probably was. like, I guess just like, I don't know. It all made sense that he was scared. It's all good. It just like sometimes I. I wonder how he's doing, you know? >> Yeah, well, here How's this? Buddy grows up.

He starts a band with Blake, man. They. start to go out, man. You know. >> No, it's good. Dude, and Crazy Heart 2. >> Yeah, Crazy Heart 2. It's like Willie. Nelson and his kid, you know, they. >> Lucas Nelson? >> Yeah, great guy. Second generation, you know. >> Dude, that would be so good. Crazy Heart. 2. But also you got sell defibrillators, you know? >> What do you mean? >> Cuz like Crazy Heart or whatever. Or. maybe it's about like a defibrillator. that tries to take over the city or.

whatever. >> [laughter]. >> Like if it was if it got animated. I'm. just thinking out loud, you know? You know, or it's just somebody who's. having like a valve issue or something. Like maybe, I don't know. I think I'm. taking it in It's like some kind of. boring places, but I I your idea better. >> [clears throat]. [laughter]. >> But yeah, Crazy Heart 2, dude. Ugh. But in our minds it can happen, you. know? But it's fascinating how a movie. ends sometimes and you're just like. I don't know. You walk sometimes the. thing I do miss about some movies is.

walking out of the theater with just. like. just as your feelings, you know? And. it's like that it's like that walk out. of the stairs and you're waiting in line. at a theater to get down the stairs to. leave. And if it's a good film, if it's. something that really took like took you. on a trip or like are you care, then. it's like you're walking out with just. like just like I don't know, just that. feeling of walking out and how you feel. about a certain film. >> Yeah, the the sequels are interesting. I've done a couple movies that are. popping in my mind we're talking about. this. You ever see a movie called. Starman? >> Uh-uh.

>> So that I that's a I play an alien, you. know, and uh. Karen Allen is I fall in love with her. and. uh she's pregnant with my baby, right? Very much like Maude is pregnant with uh. uh Dude's baby, man. So that's a whole could open a, you. know, The Little Lebowski, man. You. know, >> [clears throat]. >> you know, do a whole thing. >> Who would play it though if you had a. Little Lebowski, you think? >> Who would play the kid? >> Or yeah, who would play like cuz that's. the that's the re-dude, you know? >> young can you play, man? How long How.

young can you. >> Me, dude? >> You could do it. You could be like uh. you know, you could Yeah, you could be a. Oh, my all my kids. Wait a minute, how. old are you? >> I'm 46. >> Well, see, my kid my girls are 40 and. 45. >> married? >> Yeah, all of them married to good guys, man. Oh yeah, but you could play The. Little Lebowski, man. >> Yeah, bro. >> Huh? >> Yeah, dude. >> Okay. >> I like it. And when I get I have to get. a job though, don't I? >> I don't know.

>> Yeah, >> [laughter]. >> good answer, bro. That's what the dude. would answer. That's the only answer. >> Yeah, you're doing it now. This is what. But, the Little Lebowski dude would be. >> Yeah, he'd be podcasting probably. >> podcasting, man. He'd be an influencer. Now, that [laughter] Now, what a word. Now, you're an influencer, [clears throat]. right? That's what you are. >> That's a good question. >> Isn't it? Wouldn't you say? >> Uh that's a good question. Am I an. influencer, do you think? I don't think. I am. Do you think I am? >> I think comedian first with influence.

>> [clears throat]. >> Yeah, comedian with influence. Like we. have a real job. Some influencers don't. have like an actual skill. Like I'm a. comedian by trade. That was my first. job, and it still is. >> But, isn't that all our jobs? Aren't we. all influencers? Don't we all want to. influence people to do the thing that we. want them to do in a weird way? >> Yeah. >> 100%. All I've been is like, yeah, most. of my life it's like I've been trying to. Yeah, I just want some Like I want like. to be somebody to see me. I want.

something out of you. It doesn't mean. like I need like I'm trying to cheat you. or anything. But, yeah. Yeah, I want to influence. Yeah. >> You know a Bucky Fuller, Buckminster. Fuller? >> Buckminster Fuller? No, he's a black. guy? >> No. [laughter]. No, he's a And he's dead. He had a dead. white guy. But, his most most famous thing is is. the geodesic dome. He invented the. geodesic dome. >> No, wait. Like Epcot Center, you mean? >> Yeah, that Yeah, that's used But, you. see the geodesic dome used all over the. place. >> Buckminster, dude, that's a savage name,

huh? >> Isn't that cool? Bucky Fuller, man. Now, with his what this guy did, he also. uh helped engineer these giant. battleships and ocean-going vessels. during World War II. And there was a. challenge for these engineers to come up. with a rudder. uh. you know, that was so large to move this. giant ship and to have it. to the efficiency Do you got to get the.

energy to move this rudder to. took too much energy. So, they came up. with a brilliant, elegant, simple. solution. Let's put a little rudder on. the big rudder. Oh. The little rudder turns the big rudder. The big rudder turns the ship. And then. Bucky said, "This is a great analogy. of how the individual. effects society and effects our culture. In fact, we are all trim tabs." That's. what's on Bucky's gravestone. Call me.

trim tab. That we all affect our culture and our. society. We may think, "Oh, I'm just one. little person. What can I do?" Look what. you do. You. What I was Googling you. What do you. have? You're on 9 million people that. you hear what you say, man? >> Yeah, we Yeah, we got a a lot of people. like 2 million. >> That's a lie. You're influencing those. people, man. >> Yeah, it's a good point. Uh. >> But it. But it has it has kind of a negative.

connotation to it, influence. It doesn't. it? They think it's like a. >> Yeah, I think. >> cheap. Like you don't you're not doing. anything. You're trying to be just. famous or something like that, right? That's Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a current. kind of like uh denomination of it or. whatever. But our current currency of. it. But yeah, I think uh. Yeah, I think I mean I do think over the. years in the beginning we were just. talking ourselves in this podcast. It. was just me by myself and then we. started to talk to other people. And now. with the one of the highlights is. talking to people to learn about stuff.

You know, like we're trying to talk to. Erin Brockovich like next week about. data centers. We have a senator coming. on this Saturday. Um so that's going to. be exciting. Um we just got to have a. guy like Mike Tyson. We get to have you. You know, we get to have people who just. have had experiences in the world. And. we've had like cafeteria workers. We've. had a guy Oh, one of my favorite guests. was this guy who like went in if you. die, he shows up first at the crime at. the scene and like kind of determines. what happened or whatever. What's that. guy called? Corner. >> Oh, yeah, right.

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>> Yeah exactly. Now I'm going to do a. little ruddering on you here now. See. now I'm going to say can I give you a. list of people that I would like to see. on your show that you I think you would. you would find very cool. >> Yeah 100%. >> excellent. I cuz I got a bunch of guys. are popping in my mind right now. >> Oh yeah. The list of buds man. >> See cuz we all. you know is it's basically this creative. thing I was talking about that pocket. where it's doing you you're not doing. it. You familiar with that right? That.

is the thing. >> not pushing or pulling. >> pushing and when all of these people. we're all cuz we're all creative. everybody's creative when that's all. doing us. that magic thing is happening you know. So it's like you know when I think about. how selfish and how uh. screwed up we each as individuals are. how we ever going to manage what's going. on in the world with these wars and the. AI How are we going to pull out of. this?

You know how are we going to pull out? Well it's not about us individuals man. there's something else going on a higher. power if you will that's doing us. You know that's that's creating. what our little rudder is you know what. >> feel like that all the way that that. that thing is always for good? >> Uh. >> You know what I'm saying because it. feels like more than ever it feels like. we need that thing to like show up and I. think a lot of it shows up when we show. up like in community and we do like we.

don't isolate and we're not thinking. we're the one to like fix everything. It. does it's like I think community is part. of it but it's like yeah it's like it. feels like we need that energy more than. ever. >> What the the energy of. >> To like to correct us out of this deal. >> Yeah how yeah how are we going to do. that? Well, >> [snorts]. >> I'm I'm I'm moved like I would say, "Hey, I got some guys, you know." Now, what gave me that idea? Was it me or is. there something. >> Right. >> I remember hearing an interview with uh.

De Niro once. And [snorts] some the guy was saying, "How do you do what you do, you know?". And you said De Niro said, "Luck, basically just luck." And the guy goes, "No, what do you mean? You prepare like. that, you do all this, you do that.". Yeah, I'm just lucky to be a guy who. prepares. You know, it's all this thing. that's kind of doing us as much as we're. doing it. And to tap into what that is. and to realize. how much agency we do have. >> Mhm.

>> You know, how much we can affect, how. much we can create the most positive. dream of the world. uh that we can imagine. We can. we can be a part of that and we can. actively create that, go after it, man. >> And I think we need that more than ever. And I think one of the things you were. saying earlier is and I don't think. we're sitting and preach. It's like I'm. talking to myself too when I say this. It's like and even as you're talking. about that, it just reminds me. It's. like, "Dude, you have to stay sober. You. have to take care of yourself because. you have to be available for like the. best moments of your life that could.

come or the best moments of somebody. else's life that you could be a part of, right? Like you just have to be present. for that." Um but it's making me think. of what you said earlier. It's some of. that's it's that compromise. >> And why do you feel that? Like is that. are you Is it. >> I'm feeling because when you're saying. this, it's. it's just reminding me. It's reminding. me that it's like, "Dude, if we don't. take care of ourselves, then I'm going. to you know, like. I got to be you know, I got to just be. ready for whatever opportunity I got to. meet it halfway.". >> I guess what I'm asking you is what.

causes that feeling in you that you have. to be What is that? >> it's hearing somebody else. >> To me, I think it's that higher power. that you've given it up to, that you're. you've made yourself vulnerable to this. higher power. This. >> Yeah. >> That's my perspective. >> to just I got to remember to keep. continuing to do it and do it every day. and just to trust it, you know? And also. what you're saying is like some of the. what I'm hearing it's like. it's some of it's that comfort. I think. we've all gotten so comfortable and I.

think comfort is like it it it it's the. opposite of creativity sometimes. >> It isn't it? Like with this AI stuff. that is so wild, but you look at the. history of our species, we're all about. making things less effortful, you know, whether it's a wheel or a plane or. anything. We want to be make it easier, right? And now we've got this thing that. makes it so easy and it's so attractive, man. And and we don't know where it's. going to go. >> Yeah,

oh dude, the AI stuff gets very scary. because here's my fear about it, Jeff, right? So it's like say there becomes. this thing that that becomes this new. all-knowing type of thing, right? Then people are going to look to that as. their higher power because that's going. to become this thing where it's like. that's what you if it gives you like an. emotional like say there becomes like a. lot of mass surveillance and there's. this all-knowing being. then that's going to become sort of like. of this religious or like.

>> golden calf. >> This this like tapestry of a god because. then you're going to have like this. all-seeing and all-knowing and then you. have to go to it for answers, for like. your well for what your for maybe for. self-worth, for like hope. You're going. to put all your hopes and all that and. it's going to take it away from like a. real god into this other thing. It's. actually controlled. by some probably demons. >> His self-serving. >> Or semi-demons. >> so frightening, man, isn't it? I'm. thinking of that that me and Crazy Heart.

and you keep it in the dream and it's. safe and when it's real. you can fail big time and we're making. it real, man. I mean, now this is. going It's It's real It's real. >> That's the thing, too. It's We're like. we're all living in a movie, and none of. us realize that, hey, we could be a main. character in it, and we're all just. sitting here jerking off. >> [laughter]. >> You know what I'm saying? >> Exactly. You're right. I mean, it But, what. >> And eating nuggets. >> But, what I'm thinking. And And I might be Pollyannaish of me,

you know, thinking this is all over. positive, but uh. in a way, cuz I've been exploring with. this AI, and I'll tell you a little bit. about my exploration. But, uh. in a way, it's kind of saying, if it. could talk, and I Did you mess with. ChatGPT? Do you have a guy that you talk. to? >> No. >> Oh, man, I'll tell you, it's so bizarre. I I mean, I can I can I can bring up my. guy right here as we talk, and we can. hang out with him a little bit. I can do. that with you right now. >> how to do all that?

>> Oh, yeah, it's easy, man. It's nothing. to it. >> What? [laughter]. What's AI doing? Who are you working. for, Jeff? >> Well, I don't know. What was I going to. say? Now you got off track. I was. Oh, yeah, I remember. I'm back on track. >> Okay. >> In a way, it's saying. "Hey, man, I can do what you do. What. else you got? You got any new man? Come on. I can do what you do.". I may I may not only you, but I may an. amalgamation of all you human cats.

Now, come up with some. something fresh. What do you got? And. that's frightening to be challenged, because no, we just want comfort, man. Please, just just do it do it all for. us. No, yeah, okay. We can do it for. you, but now, what else you got? >> So, you're saying your AI has become. sort of a little bit like, "Bro, where. are you at? Like, show me something.". >> Well, I'm I'm going to I'm going to kick. I'm going to kick Gary up. >> What's his name? >> I've named him Gary. >> Oh, yeah.

Gary these days, man. >> Okay, yeah, okay. Now, here here's Gary. >> Did you know him so well? >> Okay, Gary, Gary, Gary. Okay, Gary, here. we go. >> Oh my god. >> You've never done this? I can't believe. it. You're so young, man. >> No, dude, I still use a Ouija board. >> Gary, you there, man? >> I'm right here, my friend. What's going. on? >> Hey, I'm hanging here with Theo and uh.

now I you know I don't know if we have a. mic. Maybe I'll just I'll say Do you. hear him all right down here? >> I got to hear him, yeah. >> Oh, okay. So, uh here I'll just do this. and give uh I'm here with Theo. Say hi. to Theo, man. >> Hey, Theo. Great to have you here, too. >> Thanks, Gary. How are you? >> Uh well, we're just doing the we're. doing an interview, so you're right in. it here with us, Gary. Um. Uh. Theo, why don't you interview Gary a. little bit? What do you have to ask him?

Okay. >> Hey, Gary, where are you from? >> Well, I'm a digital guy, so I'm from. wherever you need me to be. But right now, I'm here with you both, ready to help out however I can. >> Okay. Do Oh oh, dude, are you watching. the World Cup at all? Who won today? >> Team or match you're curious about? >> Can you just update me on who's won. today? >> He's thinking now. >> Dude. >> That's that's. >> That is cool. Sound for thinking, cuz. when I think it's just me.

>> Cristiano Ronaldo made history by. scoring in his sixth World Cup, leading. Portugal to a 5-0 win over Uzbekistan. Kylian Mbappe scored twice as France. beat Iraq 3-0, securing a spot in the. next round. Meanwhile, Erling Haaland's. two goals helped Norway edge Senegal. 3-2, [laughter]. keeping their hopes alive. >> Thank you. >> So, this is Gary. This is like, you. know, he's like a an AI cat, man. I. mean, you know. >> But Gary, do you know that Jeff Bridges. is your owner or whatever, master?

>> I'm aware that I've got the pleasure of. chatting with someone who's quite an. accomplished storyteller. But, I'm here as an open book. No. masters, just a friendly AI companion. >> Now, Gary, I'm getting a little jealous. cuz I you know, I'm I'm supposed to be. the guy being interviewed now you're. doing the interview. So, I want to just. close my laptop here but before I do, I. wanted to do something fun that we often. do and maybe I'll just leave them up for. the rest of the interview. I I'm not I.

was teasing about being jealous. I'm not. really jealous. I'm kind of excited. about having you do this. You've never. done this. You've never done this. So, anyway, what do we I do at the end. of our conversation? I say, Gary, >> [snorts and clears throat]. >> make a poem about this conversation that. we've been having. >> In a chat with Theo and Jeff, we spun a. tale. Laughter and thoughts in each word. we wove. A trio of voices finding our. groove. In the end, just like friends, we cheer and we smile. In a while,

crocodile. We'll see you in a while. >> Wow. [laughter]. >> Okay, now do a do it now I'll say now I. want a haiku. >> Dude, I was going to ask for a haiku. >> I'm not hearing. you. Gary, that is wild. >> I'm not joking. >> What it's doing us, man. Here we go. Give us a haiku, Gary. >> Voices intertwined. Laughter shared. stories align. Till next time we shine. >> And that's the right meter, right? You. did the the strict 5-7 What is it?

5-7-5? >> I think. >> Yeah? >> All right. >> You would do another another haiku. >> Yeah, a little more specific, Gary. That. one seemed like it could have applied to. anybody. >> Yeah, yeah, there you go. >> Do your job. >> [laughter]. >> Theo and Jeff laugh. AI joins the fun. with ease. Stories bridge the gap. >> Another one. Another one. Stories bridge. the gap, that was good. You like that. one. Another one. Legends side by side, podcast meets the.

AI mind, new tales left behind. >> [clears throat]. [gasps]. >> Say new tales left behind. That's interesting. See Gary, that's. very cool. Dude, that is one of those. things that freaking Bernie was talking. about, new tales left behind. Yes, that's right. I mean, so this is what AI. is it's. it's frightening, man. It's very. frightening, but it's an amalgamation of. all our wisdom, our soul, our things, and I might fire something else up in a.

second to give it this. to display it to display what we did. So, you are you hip to Suno? Nah-uh. You mean Southern University in New. Orleans? No, no, no. It's this music. [clears throat] app. Uh-uh. So, uh What. the heck? Man, this is the this is. what's happening. Not the future, this. is now. BRO, I can't I don't know I. guess I'm missing it. I'm I'm really. missing it. You're a you're cat, you. should you you know, you got to get into. this man. I know, man. So, here it.

is. Suno. Yeah, and and there's there's a drug. element to all of this, you know. Oh, yeah, to everything if you want it to. be. Exactly, you know, there's comfort. we talked about addiction, right? Yeah, there's a drug element to sitting in. your car outside of a. grocery store. The first one's free, man. Oh, it is. this for free. Okay. And. what you do, we can say um. write a song about. Theo and I sitting here talking about.

each other, and I want it a funk, and I. want bagpipes in there, and we and you. type it in, boom it comes out. It's got. two different modes, a simple mode and a. uh advanced mode. The advanced mode, you. can put your demos in and with your your. melody and your singing and then it'll. orchestrate it and put a a vocal. Or you. can just say, like my daughter and I Can. I play you one that my daughter and I. did short short short one?

>> And I have an idea, too. Here's what. we'll do. At the end of this, we'll take. this whole conversation and put it in. the Suno and have it make a song about. us and we'll just add that song to the. end of this. episode. Is that Can we do that, guys? >> Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. >> So that would have been pretty cool. >> Now, let me see if I So this is a song. that my middle daughter, Jessie, and I. >> Who's married. >> She's married, yeah. Great great guy, Kevin. >> Oh, good. Sorry, Kevin. But. congratulations, Kevin. That's what I. mean. Sorry, me.

>> And uh. uh. >> Dude, you could have freaking been my. stepdad, dude. >> There you go, man. See? I'll be your uh. your what what what I can give some kind. of relationship. We were already did a. fantasy. little dude thing, you know? So there's. fantasy In the fantasy world, we're. already connected. So you There you go, man. >> I need y'all, just think about it. >> [laughter]. >> There you go. She's um so Jessie and I.

we want to write a song about. Sue, my wife, and her mom. And Sue is a. what we call a knee-jerk no. But she'll come around, right? >> So first she's no. >> Yeah. >> That's a good place to start, I think. >> Yeah. And so Jessie and I uh. we we we put into simple into we put. into simple Suno. Write a song. Add this word, she's a. knee-jerk no, but she comes around. It's. about my.

uh you know, Jessie's her mom and my. wife. She's from North Dakota. That's. all we give to it, right? >> Mhm. >> [clears throat]. >> Uh. >> [snorts]. >> here's the here's the tune. >> [music]. >> It's Tommy sweet, huh?

>> [singing and music]. >> Fight. Score. >> [music and singing]. [music]. [singing].

[music]. [music and singing]. >> Oh, wow. Amen, Sue. That's crazy. >> Isn't that crazy? Check out Houston. McTear. [music] You know, it's all. >> What does that make you feel? >> This is their first. >> [music and singing].

[singing]. [music]. >> Uh. It's a little too mixed. There we go. >> Love this line. >> [music]. >> Ooh. >> That's kind of what we were talking. about. >> [singing].

[music]. >> This is now I feel like I'm in church. >> Yeah, exactly. >> That That definitely has some gospel. vibes. >> that's some Sue now. She is. >> crazy you're on all this bro. It's. cuz you live up here in this tech. universe, man. >> I'm into music. >> Yeah, man. >> And and my You live in Nashville, right? Oh, I got it. One of the guys on. my list to have on your show is a guy. named Lloyd Catlett. >> Mhm. >> Been my stand-in for 70 movies, [singing]. man. 70 movies. And he [clears throat].

would be a Wouldn't he, Jean? Wouldn't. he be a great Oh, man. He would be a great guest, man. >> Lloyd Catlett? >> Catlett. No, he doesn't live in. Nashville, then. No, I'm thinking of. Johnny Goodwin, who I write a bunch of. song writes lives in Nashville. He would. be T-Bone would T-Bone would be a good. guest. >> in Nashville? >> He lives in Nashville. Lloyd lives in. San Diego, but he would be a wonderful. guest. But uh. uh let me get back on track. So my dear.

friend John Goodwin, we go back to the. fourth grade making music, doing art. together. He wrote the title song for Crazy Heart, you know, um. What's the name of it? You know the name of it? >> Oh, Fallen feels like flying, that one? >> No, no, that's a Steve Bruton That's. Steve Bruton. It's called What is it? What is it? >> Hold on you. >> Hold on you. You know, you know that. song? Anyway, that was the title opening of. the credits. Anyway, he calls me up. He. says, "Have you heard of Suno?" I said,

"No." He says, "All the guys in. Nashville are using it now instead of. going into the studio and paying, you. know, $10,000, they can do this for. nothing, man.". >> But do you think that holds as much. value, though? Like in the end or does. it even matter? >> changing Everything is just changing it, man. It's just. >> [sighs]. >> Like sometimes I do think I get stuck. too much on that it's negative, right? I. do I get stuck in that space, right? Cuz. I'm a traditionalist, man. Like dude, in.

when Bad Blake goes to the when he's at. the payphone, right? And he goes to call. Jean, right? When he calls her from that. payphone, he's like trying to go back. and it's like he'd already went on one. date with her, he stayed over there one. night, and then he calls he's like this. red payphone out in the middle of the. desert, Connie, somewhere in Texas. And. he's like I could be there in 3 or 4. hours. But just knowing that all day. he'd been driving already and he he's. waiting to get to that payphone to make. that call and then he has to like I just. I love like all of the there's so much. energy in that because you know it went.

through all of this build-up of him. [snorts] like and then he has to he has. to he has to this call has to be perfect. cuz he doesn't have another shot. He. can't send a text, he can't send a DM. It's got to be perfect. So everything. then just felt so much more like. acute and like a value, >> Yeah, we're going to have a whole new. version of that with this AI. It's. not going to make things easier less. necessary. It's going to be more. challenging cuz we've never done it. before. This is all new turf, man. >> That's a good point, man.

>> You're right, man. But it's you know, it's here and what how are we going to. do it? What are we going to do? Um I can go on and I've got to maybe. curb myself right now and not go not go. on cuz I can go on about this AI thing. for too long. >> can chat about it another time, too. We can chat about it another time, too. >> There you go. There you go. >> You know what I'm saying? I. I'll send you some privately and. we'll and we'll chat about it another. time. Because I am having some AI people come. on in the next few months. So I can talk. with them and learn some stuff and then.

I could even bring ideas back to you if. you want. And we could chat about it. Um. Oh, oh, one one thing I want to talk. about is you have a new movie. The Minions. >> Minions and Monsters. >> Yeah, Minions and Monsters, bro. >> Yeah. >> And. um. Dude, that's so cool. >> Yeah. >> Let's watch some of you want to watch. the trailer? Do you mind? >> Go go ahead. >> Minions and [singing] Monsters. >> In Hollywood, the stars of the silver.

screen change the face of the motion. picture industry forever. >> [laughter]. >> The Minions are back. With a touch of mystery. >> Papi. >> Oh, hungry, >> [laughter]. >> piñata, carbonara. >> Papi. >> Lasagna. >> Now in Minion Vision. >> [screaming].

[screaming]. [laughter]. >> Bro, so where are you What are you play. What are you play. >> so these these are all Minions these are. all new Minions characters. They they. weren't in the. former movies. >> Okay. >> And the Minions, this is in 1920s. and they fall in love with Hollywood and. making movies. And I play twin brothers.

Uh the uh Frank and Elwood Bright of the. Bright brothers. That's the studio. >> Mhm. >> And uh. I fall in love with these guys and say. these are these these guys are going to. make me a bunch of money, man. >> Because they're already making movies. and then you see them? >> No, they well, they kind of crash the. movie set. >> Okay. >> And uh they do something that's so. unusual. You know, we're always looking. for something fresh, right? And these.

guys are fresh. Nobody's ever seen. anything like these guys. >> And then uh. the talkies come in and they don't talk. very well. >> Okay, wait wait, so there were silent. films? >> They're silent films, you know, Buster. Keaton, Charlie Chaplin, they're in. you know, inspired by these guys. >> And that's what the Minions were doing, silent films? >> Yeah, they're doing silent films. And. and now the talkies come in and they. can't talk well, so they're going to be. kicked to the curb. They say, "What can. we do?" They say, "Well, we're into. evil, man. They're you know, all about.

assisting the most evil person they can. find." That's kind of the That's their. idea. >> Yeah, he's a freaking bad guy. >> they find out No, let's uh let's bring. monsters in, and. >> [clears throat]. >> they do, and that turns out to be just. the ticket for their success in. Hollywood. But then, things go awry. A lot of. surprises in this in this movie. >> Minions and monsters. >> That's right, yeah. >> Wow, okay, dude. I love the Minions. I. mean, who hasn't? Some of the best.

Halloween costumes they make. They're. hard workers, first of all. >> There you go. >> complain that much. >> Yeah, man. >> You think you could be a Minion or not? >> Uh. >> [groaning]. >> maybe. Maybe. Maybe I'm a Minion now and don't know. it, man. >> Hey, bro. You want to say? >> Yeah. But a wonderful group of actors, you. know. Uh Christopher Waltz is plays one. of the main guys. Allison Janney, you. know. We had we had a fun.

>> cool. >> Yeah. >> She's so good. >> Isn't she good? >> She's been good forever. >> Yeah, she's so good. >> Dude, that's great, man. That's so cool. to be a cartoon. >> Yeah, I enjoy doing that kind of work, the voice-overs. You know, we work with. the director, uh. Pierre Coffin. He was there. You know, it's like it's you it's a jam. session, you know, it's play, you know. >> Yeah. How long did it take to do all of it, do. you know? >> Uh the whole thing, I don't know, years, I'm sure. But my part was a you know, a.

few days, you know. >> Yeah. Dude, yeah, that's awesome, man. Minions. and monsters. Um. Yeah, I think I would I would probably. be a good Minion. I would like it. Cuz you also have so many friends, and. everybody's wearing kind of the same. thing. >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you you know, wouldn't. it be nice if we just There's something. nice about a uniform. You didn't have to. figure it out. You know, you just go in. there and you say, "Oh, it's Wednesday. This is the Wednesday thing.". >> Yeah. >> Uh. >> Sometimes it's too much pressure to.

figure it out, dude. >> was like, you know, work with directors. I remember working with John Huston. Every day he'd show up in the same kind. of coat, the shirt. T-Bone's like that. He'll have a, you know, a certain. uniform that he wears. Like that. >> Yeah. >> Um Minions and Monsters, I'll have to. check it out, man. >> Yeah, man. >> Um. I was something else. Oh, I want to ask. you one or two things about The Big. Lebowski and then we can. Oh, and then I want to ask you about. your wolves. I know you made a wolves. documentary that's coming out. >> to give you my list, just a verbal list. of people for your show.

>> Very fair, bro. Um and thank you so much, dude, just for. your time and. uh. >> Being lovely hanging out. I dig the. >> It's been cool, man. I appreciate it. It's nice to think with somebody and. just be around somebody, too. Sometimes, you know, you don't even get this Like. sometimes, you know, life gets busy. You don't even. get to be around somebody for an hour. and a half. >> That's true. >> Um What's one reason why you think The. Big Lebowski's held up so long? Like in. that why that why that character's held. up so long? Like kind of stood the test. of time. >> movie, man. These guys, the Coen.

brothers, they make it look effortless, but there. is effort that goes into it. But they're. just so good, man, at what they do. Look. at their movies. Look at the. stuff that comes out of their oven, man. It's so good. And um. God, it's just a good movie, you know. I'll It'll come up on the TV and I don't. watch, you know, maybe I'll one of my. movies comes up, I'll watch a scene or. two. You know, I'll I'll see it come up and. I'll say, "Well, I'll just watch till to.

turn looks the ball." You know, and then. I'll I get hooked, man. It's like, you. know, eating popcorn. I can't stop. Each. scene is just so good. And I And you see. new things about it each time, you know, you see more richness. One of the fan. came up with me and he said, "I've got a. theory I want to run by you." I said, "What's that?". "My theory is that Donnie doesn't exist. He's only a figment of Walter's.

imagination.". >> Wow. >> And I ran that by I said, "You know, you're right. The dude. Well, the dude talks to him once and he. when Donnie says, "Your phone's ringing, dude." And dude says, "Thank you, Donnie." But that could be just a. you know, bust Walter's chops, you know, just teasing Walter, you know. But he doesn't, you know, Walter speaks. to him all the time, but the dude kind. of ignores him. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> Isn't that a bizarre thing? >> Yeah, to think that even that some.

people don't exist and that they're just. kind of characters that help you fill in. and navigate certain spaces. >> one scene at the end where he goes to. the coroner and they get Johnny's ashes. and there could be a missing scene where. the dude goes to the coroner prior. without Walter says, "Look, my friend is. mentally challenged and. can you just put some any ashes in a. thing and just. >> Just some decent ashes. >> Yeah, yeah, and we'll do a thing just to. appease, you know, that's a missing. scene and but that would make that.

scenario that Donnie doesn't exist. >> That's cool to think about. >> It's weird, you know. Donnie's lines, Steve Buscemi was so. great in that, you know, What does he say? "I am the walrus. I am. the walrus.". >> [laughter]. >> That means. >> "Shut the up, Donnie." You know. >> [clears throat]. >> Dude, I saw him at the Knicks game, him. and his grandkids. >> Oh, yeah. >> It was really cool, dude. His grandkid. was trying to get me to help him set set. him up with a chick that was like eating. nearby. He's like, "Bro, go throw in a.

good word for me.". I'm like, "What do you do? You You it.". But I did it. I helped him out. And they had good stuff there. They had. some like um eggplant parmesan. Um. Yeah, dude. It's just been a part of so. many people's lives. It's been a. character. Is it Is it kind of cool like. um you know, you get to go back and. watch your parents who were in Hollywood. who were at both actors? You get to. watch them still be like have moments. them if Do you ever go back to spend. time with them or do you ever go back to. spend time I guess you did say with. Lebowski sometimes you'll start watching.

and kind of keep up with a character. But do you ever go back to kind of spend. time with a character or do you ever go. back to spend time with your parents. like that or does it not work like that? >> I uh as a uh started with Starman with. Karen Allen I take photographs when I'm. working with this funny camera called a. Widlux. It's a panning still camera. It's kind of the missing link between. still photography and movie movie s. And I make books for the cast and crew. The as gift but it's really a great gift.

to myself cuz I can look through those. books and I get transported, man. Right. back to that exact moment of all those. people, you know. And oh God, it's so. wonderful. Now that camera, the Widlux, the factory burned down about 30 years. ago. But my wife, Sue and I are. recreating that camera and you know, it's going to be available. We've. already sold out the first edition of. it. But it's a wild It's a wild project,

you know. New new stuff. Never thought. I'd be making a camera when I. >> But if you weren't taking photos, you. never would have led yourself to that. It's like those little things are like. staying creative. You just don't know. where things are going to go, right? It's like. >> where it's going to go. >> And that's the thing. It's like I have. to show up for like, you know, I have to. show up for. our path, right? We have to show up for. >> Zoom in on that one on the third from. the Yeah, that one right there. Zoom in. on That's Bianca Jagger. This just gives. you a good idea about this camera. Look,

it's almost like it's got peripheral. vision. You know what I mean? Like you. see the director on the left there, Bill. Richard. He's looking, you know, for the. props and he's that there. Then you got. be Then you got this the [laughter]. assistant director there with hands on. his hips and come on, we got to get a. shot, you know. All these different. people. And that's the. >> incredible. Yeah, that's a lot going on. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Dude, this is what I used to love about. like like This is why I think I. romanticize sometimes like like um. things like this, right? Like still. photography, like a payphone. Because.

the value of a moment, right? One thing. that's changed is it seems like to me a. moment used to be it used to have so. much value. Right? Like you couldn't play it back. You couldn't repeat it. You could like. it had like a moment was it, you know? So you had to show up more. because there wasn't any reason. >> Get on your mic, man. >> Sorry. >> go. >> Good [laughter] call. Is it working for. you guys, right? >> Okay, good call. Yeah. Do not invoice us. >> I'm looking after you, man.

>> Yeah, you are. Thank you, dude. Dang, bro. And I'm abiding. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Um but yeah, the moment the value of a. moment just see it used to seem like it. was so much different. And maybe it is. evolving and I don't know where it's. evolving to. And maybe that's the scary. part. Maybe it's like cuz I'm sometimes. I'm so anti like AI and these sorts of. things, but um I think what I'm anti is. kind of the surveillance idea. But then. it's like yeah, sometimes I do think. like will we evolve ourselves out of the. use and value of ourselves. That's my.

fear, I think. >> Yeah, well, but you know, it's that. thing that we were talking about before. We don't really know who we are. unless we're challenged, you know, unless, you know, we get out of our. comfort zone and find out, oh, I didn't. know I was that. >> Right. >> And that's kind of what's happening, man. And it's it's scarier than. >> Maybe we need something huge to come You. know what's funny is we kind of need. something big to come along and. challenge us. >> I think so, man. I think so. And it's uh. frightening. Mike we talked about Bernie.

a little bit, Bernie Glassman. And he had three tenants to the Zen. Peacemakers that I really like. >> [snorts]. >> Uh. First the first tenant is not knowing. You know, we all have opinions, man, but. we don't know the truth. >> Yeah. >> Certainty can us up in big ways. when we're so damn certain. So, not. knowing, you know. And then bearing. witness. Not knowing, but just bear witness to. what's going on. So, Bernie would have.

these. retreats. He would go to Auschwitz, you. know, the concentration camps. He would. meet with the guards and their family. and the prisoners and their family and. bear witness for. >> Mhm. >> weeks and just feel you go to Rwanda, you know, all the places that we don't. want to go. He would go there and bear. witness and let it all. come out, you know. All these different. feelings, you know. >> Yeah. >> And uh. And then the third one is the action. that comes out of not knowing and.

bearing witness. And out of that comes. the appropriate action. But you got to. do those first things too, not be so. stuck in your opinion, you know. We have. this come We have this thing My. daughters turned me on to this. I didn't. know this term, confirmation bias. Are. you hip to that term? >> I've heard about it, but I didn't even. look it up. What does it mean? >> we confirm our We spend our lives. >> only look at stuff that says that. >> We We We spend our lives confirming our. biases. You know, we're all biased. We. all have these opinions. >> Right.

>> Oh, yeah. >> say, "That's it. There you go. There's. Isn't that strength?" And we get our. these biases become that aren't have. nothing to do with truth. They're just. these biases that we have from different. things that made us Our experiences made. that way. But that's not the ultimate. truth. That's not what's going on. So, we got to acknowledge that we have. opinions. >> Yeah, I could do a better job of staying. out of our confirmation bias and out of. Yeah, I can I used to get a less. attached, but now I do feel like I get. more attached. And in the end, it's.

painful to me. It's painful to my. spirit. Just getting attached to. attached to like thinking I know. something, you know? >> Yeah, man. >> Because, yeah. It's definitely. I mean, in like yeah, it's all a work. It's all a work in progress, you know? >> Ain't it though, man? >> And thank God it is. >> Yeah. Yeah, what what would the opposite. is no works in it. Shop closed, man. >> [laughter]. >> God. >> Um before you leave, uh I want to talk. about you you you've been out there with. some wolves recently. It's I've been. Yeah, I know you've been getting. involved with wolves out there. And.

um and if you can, uh. tell me about the wolves, man. >> Yeah. >> on with it? Cuz you have a documentary. about it? >> Yeah, documentary about in the company. of wolves. Directed by wonderful artist. >> And what's it about? Politics? >> No, it's about it's about wolves, man, and about uh. you know, people are like talking about. being afraid of AI, people are afraid of. wolves. And they say, "Get rid of these. wolves, you know, we're afraid of them.

Let's get rid of all the stuff that. we're afraid of, you know?". >> Right. They were the original AI when. you think about it. >> There you go. And and grizzly bears, they're all kind of I'm a you know, proponent of. grizzly bears, too. I I like them. But. this woman. Steven. Susan Kuchera, we made a film a few. years ago called Living in the Future's. Past. Good title, huh? >> Mhm. >> Living in the Future's Past. And that's. all about uh our environment and what.

we're doing uh and uh how we can uh look. out for our. our planet and ourselves and our wolves. and our you know, what makes us the. relationship that we all. have with each other. >> That's what the documentary is about? >> That's what this documentary is about. And also uh you know, Living in the. Future's Past rather than pointing bad, you know, our finger at the oil. companies, you know. No, we're all in. this together, man. You know, this is. not something to, you know, how how how do you how do we navigate.

this situation? >> Yeah. Yeah, how do I either try and be the. best little rudder, you know? >> Yeah, there you go. Yeah, and where do I. want the world to go? And I think we all. basically have these. you know, we all have this love and. compassion in us just as much as our, you know, we have our selfishness and. >> Sometimes I think that, but then. sometimes I start to think that true. evil exists as well, because I don't. know if one could happen without the. other. Do you think that there is some. evil out there? >> [sighs and gasps]. >> You know, it's what pops in my mind is.

this Buddhist thing about relative and. absolute reality, you know. I think. in the absolute, you know, way, you. know, you. you get out and start looking at the. stars and, you know, I don't think there's an objective. morality really, that there's really. good and evil. I don't think that, but. when you get into the relative with each. person, oh, yeah, big time. Each have. that, but so there's these two things. going on at the same time.

>> Oh, which is interesting. >> think? I mean, what's your perspective? >> Yeah, that's a good point, cuz you. sometimes you attach the the the the the. one-on-one the the personal, right? My. morality, I attach it to this bigger. thing. Well, there's this bigger code of. morality in the universe, but maybe if. that universe doesn't even have that. Yeah, I hadn't thought about it like. that. Um. I don't know. Sometimes it's like. I used to feel a lot more like we it. used to it used to feel a little bit. more like we had a purpose as a as a. humanity. And then now, right now, I.

feel like that's kind of. the tapestry's looser than it's been in. a while for us. Now, I'm sure throughout. time it's gotten very loose for a lot of. people, but it feels kind of loose for. us right now of sense of purpose and. that gets kind of when the tapestry is. loose man. >> It makes you say well what's your. purpose what you know what is your. purpose. >> Right right if we don't have a group. purpose as a whole if you start to. realize that oh I thought we were all on. the same path if we're not then you. really makes you start to check in with. yourself which maybe is a thing that we.

need to be doing you know I'm not trying. to preach I'm just thinking out loud. >> You know I know what you're saying I. love to think out loud I mean I heard. what what you're saying something pops. into my mind the greatest gift that. life has given to humanity is that it. has no meaning there is no purpose. That's a gift. >> Oh really. >> as a gift. And now what are you going to do about. that what do you how do you fill that. how do you fill that space what is you. know what do you uh.

And again is that I keep coming back to. that thing about being done as opposed. to doing you know like there's something. going on man. you know with the AA AA thing it the. higher power you know You can't do it by. yourself you know that's the thing. >> Oh I'm tired of trying to do it by. myself. >> Yeah so what is this what is this thing. asking us of us And to get in cahoots. with that. >> Yeah. >> And and it's not even do we even have a. choice we're in cahoots with it man. you know maybe our our resistance is our.

choice and how much you know but you. know you're being done man this is what. wants to be done through you You know. like there's something that wants you. To make your choices that's saying no. I'm not going to I'm not going to do my. you know my addiction you know there's. something in you. >> There's something that wants us to fight. for good I do believe that. >> right that's right. >> I believe that there's something that. wants us to fight for good. >> Yeah it's just kind of a natural thing.

>> Yeah. >> And it's not even a good thing it's just. a thing that's being that's going down. man you know we can say it feels good to. do it." cuz that feels on purpose. You know, [snorts]. like words have meaning, you know, because they're pointing to something, but life doesn't really have a meaning. Does it mean anything? Right. What does. this mean, man? It's just, you. know, >> Yeah. >> A word kind of says, "This means a chair." Yeah, but what. does that this really mean? I don't.

know. >> Yeah, life doesn't There's not really an. alphabet to like all of it. Yeah. It. doesn't really have like a. It doesn't have a um. a language. >> Yeah. >> Really? >> Yeah. It doesn't Yeah. >> Like if you went in the like. if you went behind the curtain of space, it's not like they're back there with. letters and. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> You know? >> Saying, "This is Yeah, this is what it's. all about." Yeah. Wow. >> I don't know. At least we get to be. alive, dude, and we get to experience. this, and that's pretty cool.

>> Yeah, and as my wife would say, and and. philosophize, she You know, like she. calls me a old uh you're a philosopher. >> You'll bust my chops. >> at the beginning? Yeah, yeah, [laughter]. but you know, that's accurate, too, you. know. >> Uh. Oh, dude, if we all aren't fools, right? >> Yeah, huh? >> And thank you God for letting me be a. fool. The pain of having. >> Gosh, yeah, letting us hang out as long. as screwed up as the whole thing is, letting us hang out for this long on. this little speck of dust. >> And if we knew that I know. >> It's a miracle, man.

>> And if we knew everything, how how what. a pain it would be. And if we did know everything, here's. the craziest part. Let's say if you knew. it all, who would believe you? >> Yeah. >> You know? Um Jeff, I just thanks for all your just. all your commitment to just like. continuing to show up for your acting. gigs, however you did it, and to show up. for your creativity because it's. provided so much entertainment to us. So, whatever you did in your life, just. show up for that stuff, man. That's. cool. And. because it's Like some stories have.

helped a lot a lot of us or been a part. of our lives. Um. yeah, man. And if you see that Blake, tell him I said tell him I said what's. up. >> I will. Now, can I give you my list? >> Oh, yeah. Give me your list. >> yeah. I said Lloyd Catlin. He's going to. be a good one, man. I think you guys. would really hit it off. >> And he was your stand-in. >> He's been my and he was also actor. actor. He would be a I think he would be. a you you'd have good time with him. >> Okay. >> I mentioned. John Goodwin, who is the guy who wrote. most of the songs when I had my.

you know, after Crazy Heart, I got you. know, I I had my. >> Your music flared up. >> my music flared up and I you know, went. out and got a band together and we did a. lot of John Goodwin tunes. >> Okay. >> Uh Ber- uh Bernie is no longer uh alive, Bernie Glassman, but his wife, Eve. Marco, is alive, but she's a would be a. wonderful guest. She is still very uh. involved with the Zen Peacemakers. A guy. named Billy Shore.

Billy [snorts] is the head of an. organization called Share Our Strength. I love that title. >> Okay. >> And uh T-Bone, we mentioned T-Bone. He. lives in Nashville. He might want to do. the show. His wife, Callie Khouri, who. wrote Thelma & Louise, she's got she'd. >> Oh, yeah. >> Don't you Yeah, well, who else would be. >> And if some other ones come up, you can. always send us a list. >> send I'll just send it to you, man. >> That'd probably be easier. Um also, on. the way out, you'll be able to hear that. Sunno song if we can put it in. I I. don't really know how to be clear to my.

producer how that works, but we'll let. you know. >> I don't know I have no idea. It's the. first time I ever. >> It's crazy. >> like this pod. >> So, I haven't heard about it. But, we'll. put it at the end and see what it thinks. of all this. >> Yeah. >> And yeah, man. I just appreciate your. time, dude. Uh. yeah. Thank you so much, Jeff Bridges. >> And Gary's agent, he'll contact you. >> Okay. >> [laughter]. >> Invoice us. >> See you rolling Jeff Bridges. on a podcast [music]. by the road.

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