James Li | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #642

I want to let you guys know I'll be in. Jacksonville, Florida. Um, preparing for. my uh comedy special taping. That's. March 13th and 14th uh with two shows on. the 14th. Get your tickets only at. theon.com/ur. Um it's Return of the Rat. It's still I. know that you like this rat has returned. so many times, but I've just got to uh I. got to make sure everything's um running. smooth for the special. It has been so. far. So, um, excited to get down there.

Reminder, guys, that you can get video. versions of our episodes now on Spotify. as well. Today's guest is an independent. journalist. Uh, he's a content creator. He has his own show, 5149, that's on YouTube. Um, we got into a. lot. I'm grateful to sit down today with. Mr. James Lee. [music]. I know.

and I will find a [music] song. I've. been singing. >> You look good. Good as I'm going to look. today, dude. I'm. >> Yeah. I thought about wearing the bucket. hat, but I'm like, I got to switch up. the hats. You know what I'm saying? I. always Usually I'm wearing the bucket. hat. Do you know what I'm talking about? >> Oh, yeah. Dude, I almost wore this. beekeeper hat that I got. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Whitney Cummings one night at the. comedy store, I think she was going. through something and she gave me a full.

beekeeper outfit. >> Really? Yeah. For no reason. It was like. she's like, "I got something for you.". And then she went and got a beekeeper. full. >> Yeah. >> like beekeepers outfit out of her trunk. or whatever. The last Beekeeper scene. that I saw was like from that movie. Beonia. Did you see that movie? >> I haven't seen it yet. Is it good? >> It's dark. >> Really? >> Like really dark. Like I'm like this. I. was not ready for this. I was I was not. >> like You mean perversion or sensuality.

or like what are you talking about dark? It's just like uh. >> I mean the plotline just like humanity. just like the the what are they trying. or whatever. >> Well, they're trying to do like cultural. commentary. >> Okay. >> And so I'm like wow this is not a it's. like cuz I deal in it all day long. So, I'm like, I don't need a movie. I I like. my movies to be like chill, you know, like romcoms and and comedy. >> Madagascar. >> Yeah. Yeah. Those kinds of things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh Sierra Leon or whatever. Some of. that.

>> I don't know what that is. >> Well, I was just thinking of other. African countries. It's crazy because. there's like Madagascar and then there's. Hotel Rwanda. So, that's the only thing. [laughter]. like Africa. It gives you like some. polar opposites if you pick the wrong. >> African area off of your uh you know to. Netflix. I've never been to Africa. Um. Oh, there. Actually, can I tell you this. story before we get going? >> Yeah, for sure. >> Just a a real quick story. Okay, so. >> no worries. James Lee, good to see you. today. And is it Lee? >> Yes. >> Okay, good. >> James Lee, >> tell me your story, then I'm going ask. you a question. >> Okay. Okay, so just quick story before.

we start. I just have to tell you the. story. Okay, so this is like a few years. ago. Me and my buddies were in Europe. We're on this Euro trip and this is like. two of my best friends. And this is like. the type of people you meet at your. first job. Like it's a really really. shitty job where you're like we're. literally like call center with the. headset. Everybody's yelling at us all. day. So we're like, "Hey, one day when. we get out of here, we're going to go to. Europe.". >> Yeah. >> Uh we're going to do this Euro trip type. of thing like the movie. >> And we did do that. So finally a few, you know, years and years later, we had. a chance to do that. >> And we were just going out and partying.

every single night. >> In what country? >> This is in like Spain and Portugal. But after like seven to 10 days of this, um we're like, "Dude, I think my liver. is shutting down." like we have to stay. in for for a night like we're going to. die here. So then we stayed in and that. night so we're just scrolling around um. whatever it was like Netflix or some. some streaming thing that I don't I. don't remember and that night we ended. up binge watching this show called Deal. with It. Do you remember that show? >> Oh yeah, I remember that [laughter]. show. I was a host on it.

>> I know that's that's I had to tell you. the story. >> We literally watched like 10 episodes of. Deal with It. >> How stoned were you [laughter] guys? >> We I mean uh. scared person in that picture was just. crazy. >> And so so then we made a pact right. there. We're like, "Hey, if anybody. starts doing weird [ __ ] like you just. got to go with it for a little while. Like just just see what happens, you. know? Don't shut it down right away.". But I but that so it's a full circle. moment from like many years ago. I was. like watching the show. That was my. first introduction to Theo Von was this.

show. I don't know how proud of you are. on the work on the show, but but it was. very it saved my life. >> Oh, really? [laughter]. They kept you off the off the streets of. uh of Lisbon. >> Yeah, >> that's beautiful. Some beautiful streets. they have there, too, though. >> They do. >> Lisbon's so nice. But um. >> dude, no, the show was fun. I didn't. have much input. That was kind of the. tough part. Like you were just kind of. like screwing around. And then I also. just realized I look like that lesbian. lady from uh what's that band they sing? Like um life is a highway. Oh, the.

Rascal Flats. Yes, I look like that. lesbian lady from Rascal Flats. Actually, pull me back up. >> I was not aware there was a lesbian lady. in Rascal Flats. >> And I mean, maybe that's rude to say. that. [laughter]. >> Yeah, pull her up. >> Pretty close, huh? >> Oh, [laughter] I mean, >> oh, there is not a lady in Rascal. >> I don't see I was like, is that the. lesbian? Is [laughter] that. >> I don't know, dude. My bad. I have no.

I'm think I think I'm thinking of. somebody else, dude. Whatever. All. right. Okay. Anyways, that was Yeah. So then that was that was. like the first time I ever saw who you. were. >> Oh, interesting, bro. Um. >> I don't know how far along in your. career at that point. That was But. >> Oh, yeah. That was probably 13 years. into my career, probably. >> And um yeah, Howie Mandel gave me a job. there and thank you so much, Howie. That. was fun. Yeah, for people who don't. didn't watch the show, it was like it. was like a hidden camera show where. there's like contestants and then one of.

them has like an earpiece and you're. telling them what to do and the other. person has to like go along with it. They're doing weird [ __ ] It's like, "Hey, floss at the at the at the. restaurant, you know, table." Yes. And. then like or like go eat somebody else's. food and there's these challenges that. you would have to pass and if you make. it, if the other person is like dealing. with it, then they would earn money. Yeah. And so that's when me and my. buddies were like, "All right, hey man, just just in case we're ever in that. situation, you just go with it for a. little while." I can't believe you guys. didn't watch that. But yeah, you'd find. us two strangers walking down the. street. You'd have already pre- set up.

at a at a restaurant. >> Was that real though or is it were the. contestants really like, "Hey, I wanted. those two people or were they like. pre-screened?" And then. >> we would pick people that were just kind. of going in or coming by you. A lot of. times you'd try to get people and they. wouldn't come. They just wouldn't. understand or want them. Yeah. You'd. always want them to go to the bathroom. and then you'd go ask the other person. who's at the table like, "Hey, will you. be on this game show? We're doing a game. show in [clears throat] here today.". >> Yeah. >> And so it was a lot of craziness. The. craziest thing that ever happened on. that show was one time there was a. couple walking down the street and we. invited them in. >> cuz you you you'd be like, "Hey, we're.

giving away free appetizers or. something." So they'd come and sit down. and then one of them would go to the. restroom. And that's when we'd ask the. other one, "Hey, we're going to put an. earpiece in your ear. We're going to. start telling you things to do." if your. friend that you're here with when they. come back from the bathroom, you know, if they don't notice that you're doing. weird [ __ ] like the more you can get. them to deal with, the more money you. make. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> But one time it was we So, we put the. earpiece in this lady's ear. The guy had. gone to the restroom. He comes back and. sits down and the guy was a pimp and she. was a working girl.

>> really. >> So, she starts doing this crazy [ __ ] and. the pimp starts getting like threatening. this lady like, "I'm going to whoop your. ass." like and we're like this. [laughter] isn't like this isn't going. well really. >> and it did not that that episode didn't. air right? >> No. At a certain And that's when we. should have aired. >> Oh, >> you know um. >> it's in the vault somewhere. Maybe how. we can pull that back up or what. >> I mean it would be it would be wild if. he did. [laughter] Oh, I think if we. aired the ones that didn't air that. would be pretty wild, but yeah, there. was definitely some there was like some. ridiculous moments on there that were. pretty great. Uh but that was one of the.

wildest ones and we just had to shut it. down because it was like an endangerment. to the lady or something. >> Yeah. But anyway, um, James Lee, good to. see you. >> Thank you. Thank you for having me on. the show. Appreciate. >> you for coming, man. I appreciate it, man. I really appreciate it. You live. in, um, do you say where you live? California. >> Yes. I mean, I I I tell people I live in. San Diego. That's that's about as. specific as I'll get, you know. >> Yeah. Thanks for coming on, man. I first. learned about you like just in some. clips online. I was like, look at this.

like investigator, you know? I I feel. like a lot of investigators now and a. lot of people are getting kind of their. news um from guys like you, uh Nick. Shirley, um Hassan [ __ ] Candace Owens. clips. Um I I just feel like it's. becoming a lot more from social clips. that people even get their news for. sure. And I would I would even say that. I'm not like an investigator I think is. like really generous of what I do. Like. I like to expose rich and powerful. people, but it's like a there's like a.

network of investigators. Like we're all. leaning on each other to like somebody's. find something, I'm like, "Oh, that's. great. I'm going to put that in my. video." So there's a there's like a lot. of information sharing that goes on. So. I don't want to take credit for being. like, >> you know, a guy that's like in, you. know, there's like real real. investigators that are literally pouring. through like document after document. And sometimes I'll do that, but it's. just like it's just me. So I don't have. the resources to be able to do that. a. lot of time. So it's like there's like a. collective network of like decentralized.

journalists or creators that in that. space. Yeah. >> Decentralized journalist. Yeah. >> Yeah. Like we don't work for one. particular news organization of course. So like we all have our own editorial. freedom but there's like alignment in. terms of. >> we want to just expose rich and powerful. people. >> Yeah. >> Or like. >> So that feels like your like sort of. your theme is the expo exposure of the. elites. elites or businesses, right? I. talk a lot about private equity and how. they're basically buying up all the. houses or they're taking over, you know,

certain industries like the hospital. industry or I did one recently that was. on they're buying there's a private. equity company buying all the sports. rinks in in the Northeast. >> and because they want to make more. money, they were making rules in their. contract when you sign your kid. It's. like it's like youth hockey. It's not. like elite, you know, hockey. It's It's. like kids playing hockey and they're. signing making the parents sign this. contract saying you can't film your kids. while they play hockey cuz they want you. to sign up for this $50 a month.

subscription service that they own that. they want to like it's like if you want. footage of your kids playing hockey you. got to sign up for this. >> Oh, like it's a Max Preps thing or. something like a. >> It's like It's just It's like It's a. company called um Black Bear Sports. Black Bear Sports Group and they own a. ton of ice ranks in the Northeast. Yeah, this one right here. >> Wow. They ban parents from recording. kids hockey. We changed that. Okay. >> So, so yeah, this is so then I I saw. this article. I'm like, I got to blow.

this up, right? Because a lot of people. aren't going to read this article, right? >> So then I feel like it's my. responsibility to say, "Hey, this is a. big deal because this is just them price. gouging parents." Like you're taking a. moment of joy from these parents. It's. like they just want to, you know, >> watch your kid practice and you're. watching him. >> Exactly. And then now you want to pay. wall that and make them sign up for $50. a month, which is like more expensive. than, you know, Netflix and all these. other companies. So, so you're basically. like taking advantage of their parents'. love. Like, yes, of course, we want our.

kids, you know, record of our kids. scoring a goal, so I'm gonna pay for. that. But it's like, is that good? Is. that, you know, is that the right thing. to do? >> Yeah. Like at what point is there do we. decide, hey, we don't need to make a. dollar off of this, right? There's an. actual human value here that's worth. more than some um ownership or that's. worth more than like the rights to. something. And then how weird does it. get once you start giving away the. rights to film your own kids and then. it's all, you know, like how long before. a drone is in the sky and if you want.

footage of your kid playing in your. yard, you have to, you know, email the. drone and pay a fee to get a certain. clip of your child on a swing because if. you pull your own phone out in your. backyard, it won't work anymore because. you didn't pay a subscription fee. You. know what I'm saying? You just. >> It sounds dystopian. >> It sounds dystopian, but where we're. getting now sounds dystopian. um you. know in some places anyway and in some. ways for sure. Uh how did you get into. kind of let's say investigative. journalism like what spurned you to.

become someone who kind of wanted to. expose. >> so you want like I can give you like a. short version or like a slightly longer. version cuz okay so I I'll I'll try to. make it succinct as possible. So like. many So this is like when I was a kid. growing up. >> I was I think I was in elementary. school. My mom asked me like hey what do. you want to do when you grow up? And I. said teacher. He's like what? >> And I said yeah. And he's like why? And. I said well summer breaks duh. But that. wasn't so so like for me that was the. joke reason. But really I love just like.

I have this natural curiosity for. things. I love learning about stuff and. I love telling other people about stuff. So like that's to me that's a teacher. Like what I do right now is like. teaching in a sense of like I'm reading, you know, basically like one chapter. ahead and then I'm I'm learning about. stuff like, "Wow, this is really cool. I. want to share that with the world." And. hopefully you can use that information. to better your life. That's that's my. hope. I never obviously did that. I I. worked a bunch of different things. Um. and like I was saying, I was working at. a call center, just just random.

startups. I didn't go anywhere. So then. maybe about 10 years ago, I was talked. into applying to business school. So. then I went to um NYU. I went to the. full-time NBA program at NYU. >> You lived in New York? >> A couple years. >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> It was cool. I mean, it was cool for a. little while. I actually didn't like. living in New York. It was like just too. too much for me. Like the stimulus was. >> it's a lot. >> Yeah. It was better back then. Now I go. back I go back probably a couple times a. year because I still have friends out. there and I visit them.

>> And when I go there now, I'm like, whoa, this is like sensory overload for me at. this point. Um, but anyway, so I went to. business school and I actually wrote my. essay because that was when I was. applying to business school was when. Bernie first started running his 2016. campaign for president and I was a big. Bernie guy and that's when I first. learned of like, oh wow, the Democratic. party is not so Democratic. Like I'm. sure you know some of the stories about. him getting screwed over by the DNC and. >> they got railroaded. He won some. primaries and then they pulled him out. They pulled him out. Well, they well.

they they gave like for example they. they gave Hillary like access to the the. debate questions ahead of time. They. were rigging all the rules against. Bernie just like and then they were. creating smear campaigns that originated. from the DNC like the Bernie bros. That. was like a DNC manufactured smear. campaign to say, "Oh, Bernie Sanders is. racist and an aexist." That came from. the DNC themselves. That wasn't like an. outside group saying that. >> It could be. >> But it's like it was never an official. DNC. Nobody said it was an official DNC. contract. It was a leak that came out.

later on that said, "Oh, yeah, they. made.". >> I wouldn't I would not be surprised. I. mean, either way, his his own party. railroaded him. His own party did not. give him. People wanted him and they did. not give the people what they want, which is really the most. >> undemocratic. That was I mean, that was. the race that we were supposed to have. Like that was that's one thing that. makes me sad. It's like we were supposed. to have like the populist right Trump, populist left Bernie. That was supposed. to be the election. Yeah. And that was. going to be like that would imagine that. fight right there. that would have been. that's what the soul of America is all. about. Instead, the Democrats got like.

the most establishment candidate, Hillary Clinton. Nobody wanted her. >> Um but anyway, so around that time, um I. was going I was applying to business. school. So I'd seen all that happened. So I wrote my essay going to business. school. I was like, "Hey, I want to work. in the news business because I want to. improve, you know, the u the way we. report the news." Um and so I went to. business school. So immediately when I. got in there, they were like, "I don't. think you're going to be able to get a. job at a news agency cuz you don't have. any experience. So why don't you do. consulting instead?" Apparently anybody. can be a consultant.

>> Mhm. That's true. [laughter]. >> And so um so yeah, no, seriously, I was. like, I have no none of this background. So like credit to consulting firms like. if you go to the right school, they will. hire you as long as you know you do well. in the the interviews and things like. that. So I became a consultant, management consultant for four and a. half, five years at a big four. consulting firm and it just so. coincidentally so then COVID hit like. maybe a year after I started working in. consulting and it just so happened that.

I was working for a big pharma client at. the time. Um and so co big awakening for. I think a lot of us. I mean for me for. many other people cuz at first I was. like one of the people who was okay. I. was like all right we got to stay. inside. We got to lock down. We got to. stop the spread right. Who doesn't want. to stop? I was like I'll stop. Yeah. Let's stop the spread. Let's do that. And then it was then the mask and then. eventually the vaccines. But then over. the next course like maybe a year year.

and a half things started coming out. that was like weird. It was like what. the heck is this? Like they seem to be. contradicting themselves. Then you had. that whole Joe Rogan debacle of the. Ivormectton when they said it was horse. pace when there's like a human version. of it that obviously he's not taking the. veterinary medicine. >> for sure. >> So then I saw that but then I was on the. inside. I was literally like okay. something weird's going on and then I. got to do so this is the year I think it. was like 2022 right at the beginning of. 2022. So. >> and you're working for a big pharma. company at that time as a consultant.

>> As a consultant yeah my specialization. was supply chain. So, I was doing. projects like optimizing inventory. So, it's like how much product you have. based on how much you're going to sell. and how much you're making cuz you want. to have the right amount, right? If you. have too much, it's going to be there's. going to be um leftover, it's going to. expire, you're going to have to throw it. away. If it's not enough, then you know. you run out of stock and you can't make. money, right? So, you have to have the. perfect amount. >> So, that was that was my job and and a. lot of it was like making PowerPoints, you know, spreadsheet PowerPoint work. >> Yeah.

>> And so, then we did this project at the. beginning of 2022 for this big pharma. client. I can't say which one for legal. reasons, but it was one of the. manufacturers of the CO 19 vaccine. And. one of the projects that we did was. looking at the totality of the inventory. they had within this product and we went. to them with this with the with a report. saying that by the end of this year and. this is so this is once again 2022. So. then everybody who wanted to get the. vaccine had taken it by this point. It. was because 2021 is where it came out. It was about a year after that.

>> People had already gotten their first. couple doses. >> And so we we let them know like, hey, it. looks like you're going to have a few. hundred or sorry, a few hundred million. dollar worth of inventory at the very. least, depending on how you calculate. it, could be more worth more than that. That's going to be left over at the end. of the year that has no demand against. it. Meaning you're not going to be able. to sell it. Nobody's buying it. >> And then a few weeks later, >> you're gonna have product left on the. shelves. >> You could have Well, yeah, exactly. nobody's buying this. And then a few.

weeks later, I see the CEO of this. company go on to CNBC or one of these. news, you know, uh, companies, news. shows, and he says, "Well, I think it's. time to do like another booster shot.". And so then to me, I was like, "Holy. [ __ ] this is this whole thing is is I. can't do this anymore." I was like, "I'm. out.". >> So they created the booster because oh, we have extra leftover. Of course. I. mean, people say that, but then they'll. call you a conspiracy theorist for. saying that because it's like, "No, there's scientific backing to this and. that." But I'm on the inside. I'm like, "This doesn't look.

>> this is this seems like a pure financial. decision.". >> Dude, Mellin was a conspiracy theorist, wasn't [laughter] he? >> What? For going around the world. >> Well, no. Who's the guy that prophesized. that there was another place to go to. sail to? >> Well, Columbus was the guy that said the. world is round and I'm going to go the. other way. Right. People going one. direction. He's like, I think I can get. around to the [laughter] other side. >> That was Columbus. >> Oh, yeah. Columbus. That's the original. reacher realm right there. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> First of all, let's just say that, dude. >> But at that point, I I thought, man, I. think I'm contributing to evil and I. don't want to do this anymore.

>> Wow. >> And eventually I I got out. There's a. there's a whole story of like me getting. let go because I was saying I started. getting more rogue at work, you know, just like saying stuff you're not. supposed to say. >> Oh, yeah. Just [laughter] milling around. the water cooler. Yeah. Well, like. powerful, you know, the the the the the. elites of the company, you know, the. people who were really high up and I. started saying stuff that was like I. think was correct, but it was. uncomfortable for them to hear. >> Yeah. >> And then and then I get brought into.

like a meeting. It's like, hey, do you. know what's your future look like here. at this company? Where do you see. yourself? That kind of thing. And then I. was put on a um performance improvement. plan shortly there after that. People. who know Yeah. People who work in. corporate America will know what that. is, right? It's basically their way of. firing somebody without legal, >> right? >> They try to show that there's steps. >> Yeah. They they say like, "Oh, we're not. firing this person for any other reason. other than poor performance.". >> Except um you know, they they said I was. doing like typos and it's like really.

>> First of all, what Asian is doing typos? [laughter]. >> I mean, not to make it racial. >> There are I'm not going to say there. aren't typos. There sometimes there were. typos, [laughter]. >> but. >> but that's more of a uh that's certainly. more of a general Caucasian problem. >> You talking about Epstein with the typos. on the emails or. >> Oh, that's a [laughter] good point, huh? >> Like the whole thing is typos. >> He didn't want to commit to it, you. know, of completing a word, you know. >> Yeah, it was very bizarre. I mean, this. is getting off track, but very bizarre. how he typed. It was like there's. commas, but then there's three spaces. after that.

>> It's almost like he wanted to show that. if the kids ever tried to show this, it. wouldn't match up with anything else, you know? And that's when you're in such. a state of like uh protecting yourself. or like outsmarting the world. Um so. then at what point do you start cuz you. started making clips first and then you. started 5149 that's your podcast. >> So I well so I started um the so when. COVID hit I actually just started doing. videos on YouTube just cuz I had more. time on my hands and I was just like let. me look into some of this stuff. So I. started doing like one video a week on. the weekends. I was just like you know.

they're shitty videos. They're still up. People can look for them. they're not. very good, but it's just me looking into. stuff. Um, so then, um, after that, I. started doing more and more of that. Um, putting stuff on Yeah. making content. So, I was on YouTube and then then I. started posting on Tik Tok. >> and then Instagram. >> and Rogan shared something or mentioned. it one time. >> He Yeah, he he shared some. It was. actually a really funny clip because I. was wearing my bucket hat and and like I. think it was like Shane Gillis or. somebody. He was like, "Yo, oh, that's. the clip right there." Yeah.

>> Let's see it. Press play. I also don't. with a fishing hat is not a reliable. news. My number one source of news. >> What I sent Jamie yesterday. You You. want to get mad? >> Yeah. >> Let's get mad. >> The LA Fire Fund, you know, they had. this big show, big fundraiser. They. raised $100 million. James Lee did a. thing about it on uh Instagram. >> This the way they distribute the money. is so crazy. you you're going to you're.

going to read this and you're never. going to want to donate to charity. again. Listen to this. >> I watch this. >> I looked into it a little bit. We'll. watch it. But I what what they say. though is that within the first month. they distributed half of that money. >> Hold on before you press play on. a fishing hat is not a reliable. >> So that's the whole thing. >> That's awesome though. But that I. remember this thing. I remember like oh. so this guy's catching on. People are. curious about this guy. people are. adapting to. I think what they feel like.

is genuine. Even if it's just genuine. curiosity, I think people are you can, you know, there's something inside of. you that will attract to it, right? And. people also, I think they're truth. seekers. It's like, you know, water. seeks like the a comfortable level. So, it's like um that's how people work kind. of finding you and being like, "Oh, there's something here that's real." You. know? >> Well, for me, I'm literally like the. definition of a person who is just a. regular guy. I don't think I'm too like. smarter than regular people. I I was. like a decent student, but never the top.

student. Like I I'm not a I I'm not a. good reader. But what I had was this. kind of like curiosity. And one thing I. do think I'm good at is like just. recognizing patterns of like. this this this and I'm like, "Oh, these. kind of all fit together." It's like. there's there's like a logical pattern. that's happening here. And so I'm I'm. just a little definition of a guy who. imagine just like hey we're going to. make you like an anchor in the news like. and then you're going to be able to say. whatever you want and that's just me. So. like I have no editorial um sort of.

control from other people. It's just. like whatever I'm interested I'll do a. video on that and there's nobody really. to tell me you can't do this or you. can't do that other than of course like. getting deplatformed. >> right which happened. >> Yeah. Which which did happen but. >> recently happened recently on Tik Tok. >> Yeah. >> We'll come back to why that happened. If. I could go back in time and do one. thing, I I think I would invest. That's. what I would have done. At the time, I I. didn't know I felt like I didn't know. enough. Oh, I don't have enough. information or I I don't know how to get.

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Americanmeat. delivered. They are the truth. >> Uh what about the fires have you noticed. about it? Like has there been some. rabbit holes you've gone down with the. LA? >> Well, the LA So the the Palisades fire. specifically was was now it's it's very. much proven with facts that it it. originated from another fire that. started 10 days earlier. I don't know if. you've heard about this. There's another. fire that started on New Year's Day. They said it was like fireworks. Somebody was there. >> and there was like a smoldering. So, the. firefighters had come and technically.

put it out, >> but the residents there and I've talked. to a couple residents there. They're. saying no, there was still like smoke. emanating from the brushes. >> and and then seven or eight days later, that's when the big fire came in with. the wind and it like whipped everything. back up. >> That's the same thing that happened in. Maui. A fire was put out. The police. stayed there all night with it. Thought. it was out. They were they waited there. all night until like I think until like. 2 4 4 4 a.m. or something. And then they. went home. They said there's nothing. left in the morning. The winds kicked up.

and then that's when it got to another. level. Anyway, go. >> and Gavin Newsome was saying stuff like, "Oh, we can't couldn't have done that. because of vegetation. There's like some. environmental reason why they couldn't. go back in." It was like kind of. [ __ ] So now the state's getting. sued because they're culpable for it. And they even said this is like a couple. weeks after the fire. started. The. deputy fire chief said there's no way. this big fire was started from the other. fire because we put that fire that fire. was dead out and now it's not dead out. Spencer Pratt has been really big on. this in terms he's running for mayor of.

LA and he's all over this. >> Yeah, I'm seeing that. Um, so who says. the small fire caused the big fire and. who says it didn't? So what do we know. what really happened? >> Yeah, we No, there's now there's now. evidence that definitely came from from. the first fire. So now the state is. getting sued by I can't remember who the. I don't know who. >> because what did they do? >> Well, what they did was they it was. negligent cuz they didn't follow the. procedures to put out the fire. Got it. >> Cuz they knew that there were still. smoldering. I think there's records of. this but they couldn't go in for. vegetative reasons or whatever it is.

And so now they're in trouble because. now the damage that's been caused to the. entire Palisades community. Yeah. See. there it is. One year ago, just after. midnight on New Year's Eve, a small. brush fire broke out in Topanga State. Park above the Pacific Palisades outside. Los Angeles. Within hours, the Los. Angeles Fire Department arrived on scene. and begin digging hand lines to stop it. spread. The 8acre fire, ignited by a. 29year-old former Palisage resident, who. has since been charged with arson, was. quickly brought under control. By 4:46.

a.m., the department declared it fully. contained with no further updates. anticipated, but the fire was never. fully extinguished. A week later on. January 7th, it reignited and burned. more than 23,000 acres, destroyed 6,800. structures, and killed 12 people in what. became LA's worst urban wildfire. catastrophe. And I'm guessing that was. the Palisades fire or. >> That's the Palisad. That's the. Palisades. There's another big fire, the. Eden fire, which is in Altadena. >> Mhm. >> And that one was caused by PG& cuz one. of the power lines fell down. Yeah.

>> And so they're getting sued right now. for that. >> Wow. But can a fire smolder for that. long? I've been told yes, it could. smolder for a number of days, even. weeks. It's because it's really dry. there. There hadn't been rain for a long. time. I even looked there was like. literally NASA satellite imagery of like. you could see like the hot spot. >> like and and it doesn't necessarily have. to be like smoking from my. understanding. It could be. >> like under the the earth it could be. like hot, >> right?

>> And then any kind of wind condition you. could like. >> I don't know how it really works from. scientific perspective, but it's like. starting a fire. It's like starting a a. fire in in a campsite. Like you can. under the right conditions the fire will. start. So I think the issue here in. terms of the liability is that the fire. department is supposed to go back in and. check it to make sure that it has been. put out. Got it. And because they didn't. do that, the liability is now on them in. terms of the damage. I mean there's. billions of dollars of damage now, >> which opposes I mean which is. contradictory to what they said which is. like the fire is dead out. We we did our.

job. >> What were they saying was the original. cause of the fire? >> Well, they said it was just like an act. of God. It was like, you know, there's. no way to stop this because it was so. crazy. The wind and. >> Poseidon or whatever Zeus did it. >> Yeah. Exactly. And this is what Spencer. Pratt's been going on. But he's like, this is not an like just some crazy. thing. It's could have been easily. preventable if you guys had done your. job. >> Well, what was the issue with the with. the fundraising? Were they giving the. >> Oh, the fundraising. So, there's. actually I think they're getting sued as. well now because that was like from like. six or eight months ago when I was doing. that video. But what happened there was.

like they they collected a bunch of. money from this like concert, right? This like uh benefit concert. >> And they're supposed to go to the fire. victims. But then when you do like when. you partner with the nonprofits, >> a lot of that money first just gets. absorbed by the nonprofit for like. administrative things. >> Yeah. Holiday parties, [ __ ] like that or. whatever. >> Exactly. And then from what I. understand, like I've talked to a few. residents like we didn't see any of the. money. Like how do we get this? and and. then the the there's people or. organizations that can sign up to get.

that money distributed to them and there. would be other companies like diaper. companies or whatever it is like. services. >> diaper companies. >> So like for example they they these. companies come in and say well we can. help distribute diapers to residents. that have lost their homes but then now. that creates another bureaucratic step. for if you've lost your home like you. just want a check like just give me some. money so I can like survive. I don't. want to go to this organization to like. collect a diaper because I have a child. It just makes things like way more. complicated that way.

>> Understand? So, it's a lot of they'll. they'll donate it to these other places, maybe a friend's charity, whatever this. is, and the next thing you know, it's. been distributed to all these different. spots and there's not any access. >> And then the residents, they don't know. like where the spots are. And so, it's a. lot easier for them to say, "Hey, this. is the deed to my house. It burned down. Can I collect my $5,000 or whatever the. distribution was?" It's it would be a. lot easier to do it that way. But the. the people who organizes is the Balmer. group which owns the the Clippers and. the the stadium in LA. >> But you think they would want to then do. the most uh human thing then if it's a. they're they're owning the the Clippers.

You know what I'm saying? They want the. fans to come to their games. >> Well, they I think they thought they. were doing the humane thing, but it's. like I think it's just like the the. corruption of the system. It's like well. we have all these charities that we. already work with, so let's like bring. them into the fold of this. >> But it's not like the best solution. the. best solution is just to give people the. money that need the help. >> Yeah. >> But then now they're just enriching, you. know, the people who are their friends, like all their, you know, partners that. are doing all these nonprofits, they get. a little bit of a cut as well, you know, through this process. You just want a. little cut. >> Yeah. In its report, the House Judiciary.

Committee stated money went to. left-leaning pet projects, illegal. aliens, and the administrative costs. related to running nonprofit. organizations. This is from CBS News. You had examples of funds used for voter. outreach efforts towards political. advocacy groups, towards podcasters, fungus planning. Those examples are. pretty troubling. Um I do want to be. clear, there were many organizations. that got funds, nonprofits that are. certainly very worthy nonprofits. >> I think there was one I was talking to. um Alo Black. He was because he's.

involved his house burned down. >> Mhm. >> And he was like, I don't understand why. the the um what was it the community. college of like Pasadena is getting. money for this. It's like they didn't. like why do they need money, >> right? >> I don't know. So, it's I think it's more. of like hey, if you wanted to maximally. benefit the people, you would do the. right thing and you just give the money. to the people like show that show a. record that you own this house and then. come and collect your check versus all. this bureaucratic [ __ ] where people can. take it. They're just trying to The. problem with California is like they.

want to they there's problems that they. need to solve, but they need to create. the solution always involves like people. being able to like stick their hand in. the cookie jar and taking a cut here, taking a cut there, and then by the time. the money goes to the people who need. it, it's like a lot less of it Yeah. >> actually is there. >> There's no dessert left really. >> Yeah. >> For the people that need it most. Oh, wait. Robertson is an attorney. representing Palisad's fire victims in a. civil case against the city. He says, "Public records obtained by the LA Times. add credibility to his claim that the. Lockman fire was not properly. extinguished." Okay.

Um, a new report from LA Times claims. the Los Angeles Fire Department tried to. protect Mayor Karen Bash from. reputational harm. Uh, it was smoldering right on the top. of the ground and we have numerous. hikers that took video that called 911. that still took photographs. So they they're definitely there's so. much evidence that that the fire wasn't. properly put out. So they're under I. mean the state of California is getting. sued because technically I think it's a. state land. >> And I think now.

>> it's funny I heard Spencer talking about. this. Karen Bass is like trying to join. that lawsuit against Gavin New. She's. like trying to you know she's like I'm. I'm also been wronged in this situation. as well. It was Gavin News. They're all. pointing fingers at this point. >> I mean, that's Malibu. Uh, >> but then Okay. So, but then the out I. want to do the the outcome of this is. like many homes being burned down and. then corporations coming in to buy these. homes. >> Yeah. >> You know, if you I think you could. probably look up a stat like more than. 50% of houses that have been purchased.

in LA after the fires were purchased by. corporations. >> in fire districts or just anywhere. >> No, no, in the the fire areas that. burned down. I saw there was a headline. for of this for sure. >> Got it. like the houses that have burned. I think not of just regular. >> homes I think. >> let me see if we got fact check that. >> investors are buying close to half the. empty lots in LA burn zones report says. >> uh that's conclusion researchers with. the online real estate listings platform.

Red Fin reached in a new report. published Tuesday analyzing transactions. in LA county burn zones during July. August and September they found that. about 40% of Pacific Palisad's vacant. lots went to corporate buyers in both. Aladina and Malibu. About 44% of such. vacant lot sales went to investors. Huh. I wonder though, is there some benefit? Maybe they're putting it into. just a business or an LLC. I wonder if. there's some other benefit of doing it. that way. Um, you know what I'm saying?

Like maybe there's a different ins maybe. it's insurable that way and maybe. regular homes. You know what I'm saying? Like I wonder if there's something else. that adjusts that. >> I don't I mean if I don't think so. I. mean, it seems like at the very least. you can argue the size of the investor. Are they Black Rockck or is it like some. person who owns like five homes, right? That that that could be something to. discuss, but it's certainly not people. who live there. Like if you want your. home and you live there, it's not like. that. It's not like for your family. It's like this guy's buying the home to.

like rent it out or to flip it or. something like that. >> Yeah. >> Which isn't ideal for, >> you know, home ownership. And you know, you want people to live in the home. >> Yeah. And you can get a homestead. exemption that way. I mean, I just, you. know, or there's different things like. if it's your primary residence. Um, oh, before I forget, yeah, what what got you. deplatformed? Let's talk about that and. then let's get into the Epstein stuff. because that's kind of current. We'll. >> uh go down some rabbit holes here with. the uh with one of the lead hairs here, >> for sure. Um, well, so Tik Tok, they.

never tell you why you're banned. >> Yeah. None of these places kind of do. >> No, you don't know. They just one day. you're banned. Some people have warnings. and strikes before they're banned. I. wasn't in that situation. I had a good. standing account with no issues and all. of a sudden I was banned. I was banned. twice actually. So the first time I was. banned, >> you can only now context clues. The. first time was when I did a video about. how our FBI director Cash Patel might be. >> getting honeypotted. You know, people. have been talking about that. I don't.

know. I I never said I was just reading, you know, other people's sort of. reporting and who she was and it's like, hey, this seems like kind of a weird. relationship. Like, does she work um you. know, she's working closely with. Prageru, which is basically like an. Israeli run outlet. There's um an. intelligence officer that runs Prageru, so is she involved in that? And then it. got banned after that. But then I was. able to get that restored actually. through a friend who knew somebody at. TikTok. They're like, "Okay, I think we. can help get you back on." And so then I. was back and then the next time happened.

very shortly after I was named. anti-semite of the week by that group. stop anti-semitism. >> Oh yeah, of the week they're doing the. weekly. >> They are I didn't even know that they're. doing it weekly now. [laughter] Um. >> doing Yeah. >> Uh. >> yeah, there you go. >> Oh yeah, there you go. I remember Tucker. Carlson was on this too. >> Yeah. >> Um who won? Did you get Would you. >> Tucker won? >> Tucker won. >> Yeah. He I mean he was just in Israel. I. don't know if you saw some of that. interview with him and Huckabe. >> Oh, yeah, I did. Dude, it's definitely. pretty baffling.

>> Yeah. >> What was one of the takeaways from the. Huckabe interview that you found. interesting? >> Well, I I thought it was really. interesting how Huckabe was just being. so open about what the project is there. He's like, "Yeah, I want Israel to take. the whole thing." Like, cuz Tucker was. saying, "Hey, based on. >> Gaza, you mean. >> about not Gaza? The whole Middle East.". Basically, he was cuz he was talking. about how based on scripture, >> this this whole land is like the greater. Israel project. >> And he's like, "Oh, yeah. You have a. biblical right to do this." And and and. are you okay with Israel taking the.

whole thing, which includes other. countries like Jordan and Lebanon and. Saudi Arabia, Iran, all these countries. And Huckabe is like, "Yeah, I'm good. with that.". >> Yeah. I mean, it's pretty baffling. I. mean, Huckabe just really, it feels like. he's more of a politician for Israel. than America. >> Well, that's certainly the case. He also. I mean, he's the ambassador, right? >> He is the ambassador, but he also met. with Jonathan Pard, who's the spy, convicted spy, um, you know, traitor to. America, and he met him on the at the.

American embassy in Jerusalem, which is, >> you know, I mean, that's pretty [ __ ]. up. >> I mean, yeah, unless he was Yeah, >> there was actually a clip in here. He's. like, "I didn't meet with there was not. a meeting." Or he was like, "It wasn't a. meeting, but I meet with people all the. time. It was more of like I was there. with him." [laughter]. >> Okay. >> Call it what you will. >> Uh, so, >> but here, but I have a theory around. this cuz I was like, why was why would. he even want to do this? Why would they. want to telegraph it so nakedly to. people and basically say that, yeah,

Israel controls American foreign policy? That's kind of crazy thing to do. And my. and then why was Tucker even allowed to. do do this interview? And I have this. theory of like basically both parties, the Democrat and the Republicans, they. need to create these release valves for. the base. >> in order to keep it intact. Like they. have that on the the left with like. Bernie Sanders, AOC. I see them as kind. of a release valve to. >> to to get people back in the the. Democratic party fold, >> right? instead of going to a third. party, something else, you know, like.

the last election in Michigan, they had. this um non-committed vote in Michigan. where people really because they didn't. want to vote for a Democrat because. they're supporting the genocide in Gaza. and they voted for this non-committed. party line like just I'm not going to. vote for anybody. And that was actually. a Democratic party um move to insert. that in because if they didn't vote the. uncommitted, they would have voted Green. Party and they didn't want vote uh. people to vote Green Party. >> I see. So they created this other thing. that made them feel some type of way,

but really it was owned by the it was. owned by the Democrat party. >> So it was. >> right and they both do that. I think. you're right on both sides like. >> and Tucker is the release valve I think. on the right where it's like people are. kind of fed up with the whole like. prioritizing Israel before everything. else. So Tucker is creates this like. okay at least somebody's saying this. stuff so like we feel a little bit. better. >> But do you think he's an instrument of. the Republican party to do that? >> That's the I mean I wouldn't know. You. would have to ask him about that. I. think he's from my understand I only.

know people who know him. I don't I've. never spoken to Tucker so I don't know. what you know I don't really know. anything about him but I think in. general he seems to me from the outside. looking in sort of a guy who wants to do. the right thing report on the right. stuff. I think he really feels really. bad about the Iraq war. I mean, you've. spoken to him, so you can tell me more. Like, it seems like he's remorseful for. the fact that he was such a big champion. of a war that got like a million Iraqis. killed, thousands of Americans, created, you know, geopolitical chaos. >> He mentioned that in Huckabe interview. some of that. He mentions that he. mentions that kind of stuff a lot. >> Yeah. [snorts].

>> To me, he seems genuine. I mean, >> but he it doesn't mean but he could. still be used by the party apparatus, right? It's like, oh, you want to do. this interview, we'll allow you to do. this interview, >> right? Oh, I see what you're saying, right? Like even that might even be a. way of being used that you don't even. realize it. >> Exactly. >> Because you give somebody a like, okay, you can interview this guy of ours. >> We know he'll say some things. It'll. it'll it'll let people some the people. some will be like, "Oh, I was right.". And it lets a little bit of steam out of. the kettle. >> Exactly. Exactly.

>> That That's one thing I realized about. when I was sitting with Bernie recently. is um. >> Yeah. He just kind of yells these things. and I've I've I've been a Bernie guy. I. wanted Trump and Bernie to be on the. same ticket years ago. >> That would have been wild, huh? >> It would have been great because I feel. like you need to have two people that. have different views on the same ticket. Yeah. Like a president and a vice. president. Then whoever loses becomes a. vice president in the election. >> That's how they used to do it. The first. three elections were done. >> That's how it should be done because. then you have somebody that you have. differing opinions who has differing. opinions than you and you guys are in.

the same office and you guys have to. figure things out, right? Like to me. that makes sense, right? It seems like. the most democratic way to go about it. Um, what I realized it's like, yeah, he's coming here and yelling the things. He's been yelling the same things for. >> 30 years. Yeah. And nothing is really. getting done. And then when you look at. everything, it's like, oh, wait, they've. all been We've all been yelling the same. things for 30 years. Nothing is get it's. all like you start to realize that the. politicians and the people like.

politicians are coming on a regular. podcast and just yelling at the people. like we've got to do this. It's like. [ __ ] we we [laughter] we voted. you to go do it. >> Don't don't vote us to send you up the. mountain and then you just come back. down and be like we got to do it. Like. [ __ ] we just sent [clears throat] you. to say we got to do it. [laughter] So. that's when I realized, oh, it's just. this. And I think everybody realized it. that. >> it's a little bit like theaters. >> It's a shell game and it's Yes, it's. theater. And I think everybody's. starting to see that. And so I think. it's um to me I think it's getting very.

interesting right now. Uh which in some. ways also is kind of exciting. >> Well, I think I mean that's one of the. things I do appreciate about Trump is. that they are saying some of these. things just very nakedly. So then we. could just have the conversation about. the real thing, right? It's like when we. go take Maduro in Venezuela, it's not. like some [ __ ] about democracy or. this and that. It's like, oh yeah, no, we do want the oil. That is a primary. reason why we're going over there. So. then we don't have to do this whole. rigomearroll, this dance around why. we're actually there. It's like, oh, we.

want the oil. So then we can decide, is. this really good? Do you really want to. be the country that everybody hates? I. just, you know, I want to take. Greenland, so I'm going to have it. I'm. going to take Venezuela. I'm going to. take Cuba. Is that really good or or is. it better for US diplom or US um. standing in the world to like do more. diplomacy to get what we want versus. just like straight up just sending. aircraft carriers or like you know the. SEAL team to go in there and do the. thing. >> I agree. I mean, and I think there's a. part of us now that like you're even. looking back at historical like I'll. watch old movies like war movies now and.

it's like it I remember as a child I'd. be like, "Oh yeah, America, we did it.". Right. And then you watch now and you're. like, [laughter]. >> "What are we doing there?". >> Well, that's the top gun was like. basically the Iran strike. It was. literally the plot is the same. The new. Top Gun. >> Oh, I blame Miles Teller for that. Um, and he knows it. I'm just joking Miles, but Oh, the You mean the the original? What? You mean the original? Oh, the new. Top Gun. >> The new Top Gun with Miles Teller. Yeah. >> Oh, so you're saying that. >> cuz that was a a strike on a uran uh. uranium facility in Iran. That was the.

plot of the movie. >> Oh, wow. And do you think that they knew. like Okay, hold on. There's a couple. rabbit holes here that were kind of uh. burying eggs in here. Um but first, let. me You mentioned uh Venezuela, right? What do you think happened in Venezuela? Cuz here are things that I that just a. regular person I heard. There was. minerals that we wanted over there. Um. they were one of the few programs that. had like their own um financial system. So they weren't on the world financial. system and then um that they had done. something with voting machines. That was.

something I kept seeing online that they. had some part to do with the voting. machines. What in in hindsight what are. what did you see about Venezuela or what. were some of the uh kind of the. conspiracy the Ivormectton holes you. were in? Well, I think Venezuela is. really interesting in the sense that. yeah, you like you said, they weren't a. part of the system, but they were kind. of forced into that position, >> but they weren't a part of what system, the financial system, >> the western financial system because. they they've been sanctioned by the. United States for like 20 years roughly. And I I only learned about this when I.

was digging into this cuz I I don't know. much about Venezuela, but I wanted to. learn about the history. So, I was like, "Okay, let me let me do some some. searches on the internet and see what. they're telling us in the news versus. like what the history books are saying.". And so it was like well I I can't. remember what year but like Hugo Chavez. came to power as like the socialist. party in Venezuela and he started. nationalizing the oil and he started. doing programs to like improve you know. uh life expectancy and uh other. important metrics in the country like. making people like earn more money all.

this stuff. So like people's uh life. what do what do they call this um they. call them uh. >> quality of life. >> quality sorry yes people's quality of. life was improving in Venezuela but the. US didn't like the fact that they were. you know socialists so we don't want. socialism so then the Obama. administration actually deemed Venezuela. like an enemy to America so then we. started sanctioning them so once we. started sanctioning them they had to. start doing deals with other countries. that weren't a part of the US system so.

they started doing deals with Russia and. China. And now fast forward 20 years. later, we're like, these guys are. selling oil to China. They're selling. oil to Russia. We don't like this. >> But then you look back like, well, you. forced them to sell them to those. countries. Those are the only countries. that aren't a part part of your block. So then those are the only countries. they could sell it to. So then they're. like, oh, the Venezuelan economy is so. bad. They've, you know, everybody lives. in poverty. Was like part of the reason. for that is like you don't allow them to. trade with any of our allies, >> right? We cut them off at a time when. they were growing. >> Yeah. Exactly. Why do we want to stop.

them from growing stronger? Do you feel. like. >> Well, because their government was. socialist. So now all of a sudden you. have a socialist regime. >> that's doing well. >> doing well right in sort of your. backyard area. Um. >> which is not ideal for sort of our. capitalist kind of style. Like you don't. want an example of that here. That's. just my opinion. So So then they start. sanction so it's a bipartisan thing. It's not just Trump government. Obama. government started this right with the. with the sanctioning. Trump added on, made it more, >> you know, robust the sanctions and then.

all of a sudden, wow, we got to get this. guy out of power because, you know, he's. smuggling drugs or something like that, but also he was very open about the oil. Like he's like, we got to get the oil. But then part of it also too, I think, is there the Israel part is like a side. piece, but it does play an important. piece is basically. >> What do you mean the Israel part? >> So like basically whatever country that. opposes Israel, they basically tell us. like we got to take that country out. We. got to do a regime change. So like a lot. of that is in the Middle East, but. there's some other countries. For. example, in in Venezuela, they are very.

opposed to the Israeli government that. Maduro was very open about calling. what's happening in Gaza a genocide. And. so they're like, "We got to get rid of. this." And this is this is something I. learned 20 years ago. There was an. opposition guy, I can't remember his. name, but he was running for for uh. president, and the the media kind of. slandered him or or they smeared him as. a homosexual and a Zionist. So then. >> so so to me that's like okay that means. within the Venezuelan culture Zionism is.

a bad thing they're ascribing to this. guy. So I think Israel come in and say. this is a country that doesn't really. support our existence. We should we. should do a regime change get. >> I see. So so you're thinking that part. of this was that Israel wanted to come. in and have some effect on a country. that doesn't support them. >> Exactly. And you see that happening with. other countries that are not I mean Iran. is probably the main one right now. That's like the last of their list. I. saw you talking to Dave Smith about. this, right? There's like a list of. seven countries in the. >> from like the neocons and stuff like. that wanting to take over.

>> Yeah, exactly. So then Iran is on that. list. So it's like that's why we got to. take it out even though they have no. nuclear weapons at this point. supposedly. [snorts] They told us. >> they did. Well, I mean one of the things. is Henry. >> Cap Capriles. >> Thank you. Yes, this is the guy I was. talking about. Uh, Enrique Capriles. Radonski is a Venezuelan politician. lawyer who served as a 36th governor of. Miranda. Um, he ran against Nicolas. Maduro in V Venezuela's 2013. presidential election. Maduro and his.

supporters spread rumors about Capria's. homosexuality as a smear tact including. public slurs. Enrique Caprika was. labeled a Zionist by Venezuelan state. media and Chavez Maduro allies. These. accusations framed him as tied to. international Zionism, often alongside. his Jewish heritage. Oh, so he was a. Jewish guy. Um, despite his Catholic. faith, huh? Well, it seemed like they shouldn't have. done that to him. But I guess that's how. the media works, right? >> That's how the media works. Yeah. If. >> if the state controlled media, which we. have a lot of nowadays with like CBS.

News is sort of I would say state. controlled media since it was sold off. to Larry Ellison. >> Yeah. Barry Weiss started controlling. over there. How do you feel about that? That that's been since she took over. kind of. Well, it hasn't really worked. out. I think once she took it over, it. was very overtly clear what they were. trying to do, right? They were doing. pieces that were saying good stuff about. Marco Rubio. They were hailing him as. some kind of genius guy. They were also. doing pro-Israel. um propaganda. So, it was very I think.

it's very clear to people who consume. the news what was going on. And it's. actually I think that's a playbook. that's maybe a little bit outdated. because not that many people get their. news directly from CBS news anymore. There's there's like that crowd is. decreasing. It's like. >> old people. I don't want to say. >> Yeah. No. Well, a lot of people don't. even have cable anymore. I don't even. know where you would [laughter] because. some of these don't even know where. you'd find it. It's like it used to be. you knew where the news channels were. used to be like you knew who the nightly. an anchor was at all these like the. Walter Konites or the the.

>> and now it's now you have like John. Lemon like tickling some guy in a church. or whatever you know just trying to like. tickle the holy water out of some honky. or whatever and you're like what is even. happening anymore. >> so I think just an outdated strategy. they think oh I want to buy the news so. I can control the news but it turns out. people don't really like that people. know that and that's the same thing that. happened to the Washington Post too. right Jeff Bezos bought the Washington. Post he thought they were going to be. able to do kind of pro Bezos propaganda. for him. Turns out all his viewers or. readers hated that they canled and now. you know they're doing I think they just.

laid off like a third of their staff. >> Wow. And a lot of that media it's just. older media. >> Yeah. >> So it's just kind of like leave you know. some of that realm is changing. It's. just like not a changing the guard but. it's like you know people want to come. and just listen to something in a place. where they uh feel like it's not being. controlled anyway you know. >> Yeah. And I think there so there's that. way is old. So then there's other ways. they're trying to subversively control. independent media as well, and we can. get into that. >> While you're still practicing new year, new routines,

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Yeah. Um, she was hired recently to run. moderation at Tik Tok. >> She's an American who moved to Israel, then got Israeli citizenship. There it. is. >> Erica Mandel. That's a pretty name. Um, IDF soldier, public policy manager of. hate speech at Tik Tok. Well, did you. say something that was hate speech? >> Well, according to them, yes, because. I've been really critical of the Israeli. government, the genocide, all these.

subversive tactics. They've, you know, they've lied to us about all kinds of. stuff. So, I do report on that and that. is now considered hate speech at Tik. Tok. >> If you're cons, if you're if. >> so I'm criticizing the Netanyahu. government, right, for what they've done. that is now considered because of the. definition now. They're basically saying. anti-ionism is anti-semitism. That is. the definition that they're all. adopting, including like the ADL. So, if. I criticize. the government, that's that's sort of a. proxy for criticism of Jewish people. Well, that seems to me that seems.

bizarre. I mean, I'm at the comedy store. last night and people are having jokes. that are anti-Israel and the crowd is. going nuts, right? The entire crowd is. cheering in those moments. You know, it. seems to be a very popular sentiment. that people aren't going to support a. government that's doing um what I. believe is largely believed by most. people these days to be a genocide or to. be a um you know, some people will call. it a new holocaust or whatever. People. call it different things, right? Right. Uh, but that most people believe that. it's wrong, right? People saw it. You.

can't tr you can't trick my heart. You. know what I'm saying? It's just like if. you've been if the media has been. telling me for years with a Holocaust. definition that this is wrong, then you. can't show me the same thing and say. it's now it's not wrong for some reason. Um, but also to not attach that to my. Jewish friends. Like I had Jewish. friends who are in the audience uh this. weekend [clears throat] and I make. anti-Israel jokes and they don't have a. none of my friends have a problem with. it, you know. Um, so I think I don't. know how one really connects to the. other, you know, and I don't know if.

that's a is that a problem of someone. who's just trying to have a voice or is. that an Israel's problem that they need. to figure out. their own behavior? Is that kind of does. that make any sense to you? >> Yeah. Yeah, I know exactly what you're. saying. I think part of it is too, it's. kind of a little bit dark, I think, what. I'm about to say, but I think part of. them wants to create more anti-semitism. That's like sort of the goal is like. you're not anti-Semitic at all. You. don't have any hatred towards Jewish. people. You think everybody should be.

treated the same depending regardless of. their, you know, creed or color, race, immutable traits or whatever. And they. want to make it so that you actually. don't like them because part of the. Israel project is getting Jewish people. to move to Israel. This is what I've. been told. This is what I've um been. researching for the last couple years. Like that's part of their strategy. There was a very famous um Israeli. podcaster who was like, "Oh, I love. Mumani." And like, "Why do you love Mum. Dani? He's he's like an anti-semite.". That's I don't believe that's true. But.

they're saying, "Hey, Mumani is really. anti-Israel." He's like, "This is great. because this is going to get people to. move to Israel. That's what I want." And. so, I think that's part of the strategy. There's also another thing too with like. a group like the Anti-Defamation League. that their whole job is like to reduce. anti-semitism, right? that their job is. combating anti-semitism. >> Well, that makes sense. Like I mean, you. think you want to be able to protect. like people. >> So, so the the the the crux of that is. then you get into. >> Has ADL spoken out against the Israeli. government? >> No. They're pretty much run by the.

Israeli. So, that's the problem with. >> that would seem like something they. should do is speak out against the. leader. >> No, the ADL has long been I did a whole. mini documentary. >> Does that make sense what I'm saying? Like, why wouldn't you speak out against. the bad guy? because the ADL is acting. on behalf of the Israeli government as. sort of a spy organization in American. group. They're a group that that is. >> Yeah. They're they're a civil they call. themselves a civil rights group, but. what they're actually doing is trying to.

like create more anti-semitic. behavior in the United States. Because. if you think about it this way, like you. have an organization, your whole thing. is like combating anti-semitism. So. let's say one day there's no more. anti-semitism. What happens to this. organization? >> You're out of work. >> You're out of work. So then they got to. create more anti. So every year the. ADL's crazy, dude. Every year the ADL. has published the anti-semitism report. It's gone up every single year. The same. guy is still there. I'm like, if you. were the CEO of a company and your job, you're doing shittier and shittier job.

Wouldn't you get fired? Wouldn't. somebody else go in there? You would. need that number to come down. But every. year the number's going up. The no. donations are going up. They're in the. very nice building in New York City on. Park Avenue. So like there's a whole. like industrial complex. Same thing with. the homeless. I I make the the analogy. of the homeless industrial complex in. California where so much money is. pouring homelessness. But what happens. if we actually solve this problem for. all these organizations like you need. this to continue so then nothing gets. done. >> It's the same thing. You need all these. things to continue, right? You need the. racism to continue. You need uh crime.

because then you have people living in. fear, right? like you need all these. things, right? Because it does start to. feel like we're living in a theater. that's sort of controlled. >> Yes. >> Uh. >> well, let's get into some stuff that's. kind of current. Okay. >> And um and do you feel like an. anti-semite? Did you feel like that that. was fair that they said that? AB. >> Well, no, absolutely not. You can go to. that article. There's nothing in there. that I said I don't Well, first of all, speaking personally, like I don't have. any problem. I have a lot of Jewish. friends. I went to school in New York. I. you know, so I'm I'm very sort of. connected in that community and some.

>> in the bagel belt. [laughter]. I mean, I wouldn't never I I would never. sort of I try to be like I'm like so. scared of even saying anything like. that. You know what I'm saying? >> What the bagel? >> Yeah. I don't. >> That's funny, dude. >> Who doesn't love good bagels anyway? My. friend Max is opening a bagel shop in. Florida right now. >> Oh, I know. I love a good I mean every. time I New York Yeah. I'm eating bagels. like every other meal. >> Dude, what I don't like is when you go. there and they don't have cinnamon. raisin bagels. >> Is that your thing? >> Well, I just like to have it as an. option. If you if you're not giving that. as an option, it makes me question you.

It's [laughter] like, what if a kid. comes in here? What if somebody who. wants to have a little bit of a sweeter. day comes in? >> Well, they got the blueberry for that. >> Yeah, I don't believe in that one. Um, anyway, what do they say? James Lee is a. conspiracist who brands himself as a. champion of the independent thought. He. uses persona to spread long-standing. anti-semitic tropes and conspiracy. theories. Uh, his commentary distorts. the nature of anti-semitism and vilifies. Jewish communities. Damn, James. But I well I challenge them.

to find an example of me vilifying a. Jewish community, you know. >> Yeah. Well, it says right here they. aren't even hiding it anymore. Israel. owns America. >> Well, I mean that's they do. [laughter]. >> Well, let's talk about that for a. second, man. Um, you know, because so so much now there's. like why are we giving money to Israel? You hear that all the time, right? It's. not even, [snorts] you know, something. that people are scared to even talk. about anymore. It's like what are we. sending all this money to Israel for? And really just why is there the. connection, right? Like it's and and.

there's not like a clear answer. sometimes. It's never like hey this is. our ally this because you know this is. um but yeah you're like we can't pay our. nurses. We can't you know what I'm. saying? We don't have like we have. issues in our public schools. More. people are choosing to homeschool than. ever which is just another burden on the. family really right. Um, you know, our. food supply has been deemed uh toxic. >> Toxic, right? That's something that. we're battling right now. 70% of young. men can't serve in the military because.

of uh the physical shape that they're. in, right? Like um so you start to. wonder uh why do we have this extra. money to just send to a place, right? So. that that I think is a very fair. question and I've been thinking about a. lot and I do think I don't think we're. just sending money to a place. I do. believe that our country is owned by. Israel and that so you just give the. money to the boss. So it's not us get. they're just getting the money that's. that's. >> theirs. That's that's theirs. Yeah.

>> That's what I started to realize. I'm. like yeah cuz if you do this for so long. and it doesn't make any you know what. I'm saying like there's no answer. It's. like, oh well, that's just that's the. boss coming and just getting his money, you know, and so, um, yeah, I just think. that that's kind of where we're at. And. I don't mean that in an unAmerican way. I think there's still like a lot of like. strength and hard in the idea of. America, but I've thought for a long. time that we're just like an LLC, like. we're a shell company that's owned by. Israel. And that's honestly just what it. feels like. Um, more and more. >> Yeah. Well, part of because it's like.

it's you're we're supposed to be like. allies. So then there's we're supposed. to have like cooperation. You get. something out of it. we get something. out of it. But then I recently was. listening to a podcast with that CIA. guy. I don't know if you've talked to. him. Uh John Keryaku, >> the long guy with the curly hair. >> No, John Keryaku looks like that. Yep. >> And is he a good guy? >> He's a good guy. So he was the one that. um he was the one that whistleblow the. torture program after Iraq in in. Guantanamo in those places like and he. went to jail for two years because he he.

he violated some some statute or. whatever for for telling us about that. that we were torturing you know people. he told it. >> Yeah. >> CIA whistleblower John Kirku who exposed. the treatment of al-Qaeda suspects held. in secret prisons told the bureau today. it was now down to journalists to tell. the full story about the intelligence. agency torture program. because. politicians did not have the will. Um, okay, got it. So, I just wanted to get. some clarity on who he is. >> So, anyways, he so he was asked, "Is. there like one particular intelligence.

agency that you just did not trust?" He. was like, "Yeah, it was Mossad." And he. was telling the story about how every. time Mossad comes into the CIA. headquarters, they try to drop off some. gift that has like a bug in it. So, they. listening device and every single time. they would catch them like, "Guys, you. have to stop bringing these these. bugging devices into our headquarters.". And eventually, I think the MOSAD is was. is no longer allowed at at CIA. headquarters because they keep trying to. bug our conference rooms. >> But they have to have they have access. to our conference rooms. Like, you know. what I'm saying? Like, do you think that.

that's Oh, this was in the past. You. mean a recently? >> Past. >> Okay, got it. >> Yeah. >> So, he was the one who was kind of he. was just saying that those were some. stories from. >> Yeah. So, I'm like, this is not how an. ally should act, right? Cuz we're. supposed to be partners. Like, why are. you trying to bug our, you know, spy on. us, right? Right. That's one thing I. think Tucker was talking to Ted Cruz. like, should Israel spy on us? like is. that something that they should do as an. ally? So that's what I'm saying is like. this relationship is like a little bit. like. >> I think they're just monitoring their. employees. >> Yeah. A little bit of an abusive. relationship is what is going on, right? That's that's kind of how I would view.

it in in like a more like you know just. like a layman setting way of putting it. is like I think this is an abusive. relationship. They keep kicking us and. then we keep going back to them and like. saying please well we'll do better next. time and we'll help you and this and. that. Well, what spurned this I mean the. thing that spurned this is the the stuff. in Gaza. That's what spurned so much of. this people looking at Israel and being. like, "What is going on here?". >> Right? That's why it broke for the. regular American public. I probably was. I was definitely not looking at Israel. before. The only weird thing that I saw.

that kind of got my sort of red flags. raised was about a year before that, Israel had killed a journalist, an. Alazer journalist who was, I believe, an. American Palestinian. And they said, "Oh, it was they were caught in the line. of fire or something like that." But. then it later came out that yeah, they. just executed her. And I'm like, what. what's going on here? This is very. bizarre. Like, why are they able to just. kill journalists without any kind of, you know, international condemnation or. anything like that, without any. accountability. So, there's something. weird going on here. And then October. 7th happened and that's when I think. everybody started looking and and you do.

one search and like, oh, this is this. is, you know, this is what and Charlie. Kirk was one of the first one like I. think two days after he was like, this. is one of, you know, why was why did. this even happen? like was there a. standown order kind of situation? Like. how were they even able to come across. the border? This is one of the most. secure borders in the world how did it. take them six hours? He's like it takes. 45 minutes to fly from Jerusalem to um. the border. Why why are you you know. what's going on here? Was there. something to then create this excuse to.

then now launch like a counter offensive. quote unquote counter offensive and. basically turn Gaza into rebel? >> And do you think that that's what. happened? What do you feel like about. it? >> Well, I mean, this is based on my. conjecture is that Yeah, I do think that. >> What does conjecture mean? >> Conject conjecture is like just me um. sort of coming up with a claim without. knowing all the information because of. course I'm not in the security briefing. Guessing or whatever. >> I'm guessing a little bit, >> but Asian guessing has got to be better.

than just regular white guessing. Yeah, [laughter]. >> some would say that. >> Like when you guys guess, dude, I bet. it's, you know, >> look, I got I got a pretty good track. record of my conjectures. I'll just put. it that way. >> Got it. Um, >> so there's no other explanation like. why, you know, it would at most take one. hour for them to respond. It took them. six hours to respond. Doesn't make any. sense. So then it's kind of like 911. It's like some we kind of knew some. [ __ ] Like somebody knew something, right? There was like the shorting of. the airline stocks. There were people. taking insurance out on the building.

Somebody knew something. In this. situation, it seemed like there were. people in the Israeli government who. knew that this was about to come and. they just kind of let it happen. therefore creating the pretense to then. destroy Gaza. >> Well, the there was interesting that. there was allegedly plans to like build. buildings and that sort of thing in Gaza. years earlier. I don't know if that's. true or not, but I I've heard that. somewhere allegedly that. >> that's not the new thing with Jared. Kushner and the the new like Gaza. >> Well, yeah, it was like let's do the.

mall over there. five, you know, but who's going to go. eat on top of a haunted burial site of. hundreds of thousands of people? >> That's what I'm saying. And it's like, do you really want a vacation there with. your family? Would you take your kids? It's like, oh, we're going to go to, you. know, I mean, I guess good real estate, but. >> what if you're playing on the beach and. there's just a bunch of bones in the. thing? You know what I'm saying? Like, as you know, >> I mean, I wouldn't want to go there. Let's put it that way. Um let's go down. some of the rabbit holes like because um. you know these are things you like to. investigate or uh get curious about. Um.

let's start with Epstein and the files. release. Uh what do you think's. happening with the document release. because it seems very odd. >> as a regular guy. >> that we're getting documents right. >> they're coming this years later both. parties have been in in uh Democratic. and Republican have been in office since. then. Right. More than ever, it seems. like both parties are just the same. party with a different name. >> That's that's that's literally my shirt. >> Oh, yeah. Different brands, same. ingredients. Oh, that's hilarious, too.

So true. Oh, it's almost like that cola. Pepsi war a little bit. >> That's what I'm saying. >> Oh, that's great. Um, and so it's just. an interesting time. And the names that. are redacted aren't the names of the. victims. It's just like there's so much. going on there. What? Yeah. What do you. think about it? >> Well, I mean, they tried I mean they I. don't think they thought these files. would ever come out. Neither party. >> really. >> Yeah. I don't think they thought I think. they were going to bury this forever. >> So, you don't think it's a strategic. release right now? >> No. I think right now is like this is.

what we're going to offer because they. were forced through that vote that. Thomas Massie and Roanic, big credit to. them to have the political courage to. keep going. >> And we had them both on here. Shout out, bro. I will say that [ __ ] Pull up. Um, but anyway, go on. So, take us into some. that Yeah. What are some of the things. that you feel like Yeah. So, so you. don't think it's strategic? I don't. think I think this is this is a. >> you so you think it's an effect that. they didn't want to do. >> They didn't want to do this. >> They didn't want to do this. >> And so that's why you have all the names. of the perpetrators being redacted, right? They're only supposed to redact.

the victim's names. A lot of the. perpetrators names are redacted and now. they're forcing them to unredact them. There's a whole process here. But I. think this is like here we'll put. something out because we're legally. compelled to do it by the vote. Like it. was like passed unanimously. I think. there's one person who voted present and. because they were forced. You don't want. to be on the record voting against. disclosure, you know, putting pedophiles. in jail. Like, you don't want to be that. guy or gal, right? So, then they were. all forced to vote for it because they. got cuz they didn't they did not want.

that to to get to the House floor or the. Senate. But, they had to vote for it. because once it was there, you don't. want to be voting against it. Like, what. you're trying to cover up for. billionaire pedophiles, you don't want. to be on the record doing that. >> So, I think this release was a result of. that. And in terms of the Epste stuff, like what we're going to get into, I I. just want to say like there are a lot of. people that have looked in the Epstein. for decades. Like if you want to bring. do a whole episode on Epstein, like you. got to bring in somebody like Whitney. Webb or Julie Brown. You know, she's. from the Miami Herald. She's been. covering Epstein since like 2005. >> Yeah. We're trying to get her in. actually. >> So I'm just prefing like, hey, we're.

going to look into this epine stuff, but. I want to give credit to like those are. the people that are like the Epste. experts. I'm just a regular dude that. looking at the files. >> Yeah. They've been digging. You just. came to kind of till the soil a little. >> Exactly. Exactly. So then one big thing. that I wanted to start out looking at. was to answer the big question. Do you. remember when Cash Patel went in front. of Congress and he said, "We have zero. evidence that Epstein trafficked any. young girls to anybody.". >> 100%. >> Right. And everybody was like, "What? How is that possible? You were railing. about the Epste files for years and now. you go in and say you found nothing.". >> And so that was one of the first things.

like, "Hey, do we have Do you want to. play that first?". >> And this is my bua Louisiana right here. Shout out. >> You've seen most of the files. Uh, who, if anyone did Epstein traffic. these young women to besides himself? >> Himself? There is no credible. information. None. If there were, I. would bring the case yesterday that he. traffked to other individuals and the. information we have again is limited. >> So, the answer is no one. >> For the information that we have.

>> in the files. >> in the case file. >> Okay. >> All right, [snorts] dude. I believe I'm. not joking. I there's people that that. say that that created like a fake office. and everything for Patel and we're only. giving him certain information. >> Oh, so he didn't see the stuff that was. >> so well he even what he said if you. listen there from this limited he said. did he say limited stuff I've seen or. from what I've seen which has been. limited. So who knows if he even saw. everything.

>> right. So he's Well, you're saying that. somebody's even hiding something from. him. That means that another person. above the shadow figure that's. >> right like he goes into an office and. has this perception that everything is a. certain way. >> and it's he doesn't it's not he doesn't. know so then of course he's going to. show up and he what he's saying is the. truth to him. >> right because he even said from a. limited what did he say Nick. >> for the information that we have. >> well they have it well but he's denoting. that you know what I'm saying from the.

information that we have I bet he didn't. even see all this stuff. >> Well, I I bet he saw some of the because. the stuff that has been released, some. say it's half, some say the Channel 4. News in the UK say it's 2% of what the. total is. We don't know what the real. number is, but so I so one of the things. I want to look at is is there anything. in the in the files that suggests that. Epstein. >> traffked young girls to other people. other than himself, right? That's a big. question that we should all have. answered. And I'm not even looking. So. there's there's within the files there's. the emails right between Epste and a. bunch of other people, but there's also.

like FBI tip stuff where people are. saying crazy that this is where you see. a lot of the Trump stuff is like people. calling the tip line saying I saw Trump. do this, I saw Trump do that. So I'm I'm. like removing that stuff. I'm just going. off the emails to say look does it look. like and there's one email chain um. between Epstein and Steve Tish and Steve. Tish is the owner of the New York. Giants. >> Is he really? Yeah. Shout out Jackson. Dart. And so go go so let's start at the. bottom because this is the let's do it. in chronological order. Right. >> Okay. >> I don't know if you want to read or or.

you want me to read it. >> Um you be I'll be I don't know who to. be. I'll be I guess I'll be Tish. [laughter]. >> Okay. All right. All right. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Uh and you be Epstein. >> Yeah. >> Uh hi Jeffrey. I just had lunch with. your assistant's friend Blank who I met. at your house Wednesday morning. Very. sweet girl. Do you know anything about. her? Thanks Steve. >> And then Epstein says no but I will ask. Blank. All confidential. I will get all. info. Did you contact the great fake ass. tit blank? She's a character short-term. has an older boyfriend going to acting.

school. A 10 ass. I am happy to have you. as a new but obviously shared interest. friend. >> Thanks Jeffrey. Curious to know about. redacted. I will contact redacted pro or. civilian. >> So that probably means sex worker or. just a regular non- sex worker. >> Right. And then the next thing is send. me a number to call. I don't like. records of these conversations. obviously. Oh, 3107798969. I wonder if I already have it in my. [laughter] phone,

>> dude. If I already have it in my phone, bro, somebody's going to win a winter. coat. [laughter]. That's what we're giving away this year, dude. If they allow us to have it. Is. this stupid that I'm looking? 70969. >> If you call, tell them we're live to. tape. Okay. Nope. Nothing. >> Okay. >> Close call. >> Okay. Sorry. Um, so then Tish writes. 3107798969.

>> I've reached out to blank. She's not on. this trip. >> Okay. Um, >> thanks. Yeah. And this is Epstein report. just in. You did very well. She wants to. go to the play. She's a little freaked. out by the age difference, but go slow. and wait. I will try to convince her not. to return to Ukraine. having her crying. worked. >> Okay, nice report. Funny comment on. crying. So trying to seem like he's not. involved. Totally. >> Well, I don't know. It seems like Okay, so I mean it's a little bit disturbing. with the crying. It's like what what why. were you having her cry? Like was there.

some pressure involved, >> right? But it could have just been that. she was upset about something as well. >> Could have been. Yes, there are, I. guess, innocent explanations for this. But at the very least, this looks like. he's trafficking somebody to somebody. else. Is this the subject line is. Ukrainian girl? Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. So, it doesn't say. that she's an adult in this. It says. that she's younger. >> It doesn't say the age. >> Got it. >> But it says she's young. >> Got it. But she says she has a boyfriend. at some point, too. But that could still. be anything. Yeah. I'm not defending. I'm just trying to look at things.

openly. Um, okay. So, you're saying that. this justifies some form of trafficking. >> Well, I think it justifies some form of. investigation at the very least. Like, you should look into what the hell this. was. >> Got it. And is it being investigated? I. don't know for sure. I think the NFL. hasn't done anything yet. There are. people who are journalists writing. articles who said this should be looked. at. Like I think Steve Tish, >> you know, should be investigated because. there's probably cuz you imagine this is. just an email and then in that email it. says I don't like talking about this.

over email. So there's probably more. conversations that are not something. Yeah. >> Yeah. And also I mean watch them just. end up making them kick off from the 5. yard line or something like that. Like. you know what I'm saying? Like things. are so merged and weird these days. Who. knows? >> So, so I think there's some there's some. other emails that I sent to Zach that. was like evidence of this kind of thing. >> Um, there were Can we look at some of. those? Here we go. Some other ones here. Yeah, let's look at some other ones. here. Organize blank place for you. Blank each girl. >> Nice. We'll do. So, this seems like he's.

organizing. some meetup. >> with some women with this redacted. person. We don't know who that is. >> Got it. >> Right. All right. So, this is I feel. like this isn't to me from the outside. looking in cuz you're obviously not. going to write in there. Yes, I am. trafficking young girls to you ages five. to you know, you're not going to say. that. You're going to probably be a. little bit more. >> for sure. >> subtle about it. >> Do you know any girls that are into. girls who might be into me and that's. from someone Epstein going to dancing. again starting Tuesday? Let me know if.

you are in town next week and I'll try. to see if some of the girls are. interested. >> And what does dancing mean? >> Any news? Oh, I see what you're saying. going to be dancing again starting. Thursday. >> H So to me, these are just, you know, cursory searches from a nobody. I'm just. like, hey, is there something here? It. seems like at the very least there. should be some investigation happening. I mean, you're seeing in other. countries, people are getting arrested. Like Prince Andrew is getting arrested. Lord Mendlesson just got arrested. >> Lord Mendlesson did.

>> Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> In case. >> who is it? >> Who is Lord Menson? >> Yeah. He's like some British, you know, >> Peter Mendelson. Pet, >> sorry. Yeah, Peter Lord Mendlesson. >> The British are popping off on him, huh? Watch him get Paddington bear for. something, dude. He always looked a. little [laughter]. suspicious, you know. Um, what are some. of the other most suspicious things that. you've seen from the Epstein files? >> Well, so the other thing that I wanted. to look into, too, was the the the big. conspiracy is like, oh, Epstein was.

running a blackmail operation. He's a. spy running a blackmail operation on. behalf of Israel, right? You probably. heard that. >> Yes. Do you think he was a spy or do you. think he was just a a guy that was like, you know, obviously perverted pedophile. type of dude who was just like, you. know, just a bad dude into some dark. [ __ ] and had a lot of money. >> He was definitely a spy. I mean, if you. could pull up He was issued in the 80s. an Austrian passport. So, I don't know.

how you can get an Austrian passport. Well, this is a Okay, so fake Austrian. passport, right? So you have his name. Go up there to the top, right? Morius. >> He looks like a [ __ ] Look at him. >> Right. So then how do you get one of. these things? >> Marius Robert was his name. First of. all, that's cultural appropriation. I'm. going to go ahead and say that right. now, bro. Shout out all the real. Mariuses out there. Um, and he said he. was Saudi Arabian. >> Yeah, this is a real passport that was. used. So it's it's fake in the sense.

that Epstein obviously was not Austrian, >> right? So he got a passport from. somebody. >> He got a passport from somebody in the. 1980s and this is before he even met Les. Wexner. >> Okay. And um. >> so to me this is some indication that. okay, so he maybe was tied up with the. State Department or intelligence, right? He was an asset of some sort that they. wanted to issue this to so you could. travel around Europe using an alias, >> right? There could have been thousand a. hundred different versions of him and. he's one that over time just worked well. enough. you know that or that had enough.

success. I think that you know cuz with. anything you do like a seed kind of. program you would be like let's see you. know let's see what's going on here. >> Well so based on my historical cursory. historical knowledge this is done by the. CIA. So the 1970s there's a thing called. the church committee. Have you looked. into the church committee at all? But. that's when all the crazy [ __ ] came out. with like Cointtintel Pro and MK Ultra. where they basically. uh exposed the CIA for all these covert. operation regime change in in in the. Middle East and in RAW and all this. stuff came out because prior to the.

1970s the CIA would be just doing this. stuff. They would just on CIA records. they're doing this stuff and then after. the church committee they basically had. to go through various channels of like. mobsters or like CD characters in order. to still continue to do what they do. >> I see. But have it off the books. >> Have it off the books. So then they they. need guys like Epstein to carry out some. of this stuff who's not officially a CIA. agent. Before they just had agents going. >> that just was that coming out of Vietnam. that that energy just started to change. things kind of. >> I'm trying I'm. >> saying like people started to not just. believe in what we were doing was good.

>> I think it was like the JFK. assassination was a big thing right. everybody was like this is really. bizarre like how did this happen? There. was the bullets that went in these three. directions and then there was you know. the RFK assassination was also very. bizarre. or MLK. If you looked at every. single one of those, they're all very. weird. And I think people started losing. trust in the American government. And. then on top of that, you had this. massive war in uh in in Vietnam like you. were saying. So then then there was that. political will to like, hey, we need to. expose similar right now, I think, with. Epste. It's like, hey, we need to expose.

some of these billionaires that are. running the country, right? It's gone. too far, right? It's not like, you know, we're supporting Israel, but like we're. still building nice bridges and we're. fixing the roads and the hospitals. It's. like if they did some I mean this is a. little bit cynical but if they did some. of that stuff I think people would. probably pay less attention to Israel. like they'd be like okay sure whatever. do that over there. >> why don't they do that stuff in addition. to it then I wonder. >> that's the big question it's like why I. think it's because everything is so this. is my take going to business school just. my background is everything is so like. siloed in the sense you're only thinking.

about your own company so it's like I. just want to maximize everything for. myself so they're not really thinking. about the collective like hey if we do. this in conjunction with everybody else. like we could, you know, take over the. world. There's just like everybody's. kind of getting their own piece of the. pie. They're trying to just get their. cut and there's not there's like I think. there's like less collaboration. than people think in terms of the. conspiracy world, but there's a lot of. various conspiracies out there that are. very real. That's my take. >> Um, >> as a normie.

>> Yeah. >> Do you you mentioned Le Lex Waxner is. the guy's name. >> So Les Waxner. So he was the. >> Who is he? He is the billionaire owner. of Elbrand. So he owned a bunch of. retail um stores like Victoria Secret, Abbercomian and Fitch, Bath and Body. Works and he wow uh signed over. So this. is his because everybody so that's when. Epstein like went to another level but. then he was actually just opposed. because he didn't speak about Epstein.

for a very very long time. He all he. said was, "I regret my association with. with Epstein." And he didn't say nothing. much. Like he just recently got deposed. by um by the US Congress. And he gave. this long I think it was like six hours, but there's some really interesting. clips that came out of it cuz people. asked him like, "Why did you trust. Jeffrey Epstein with all your money?". Cuz he literally signed over power of. attorney of his entire financial estate. >> Is that true? >> Over to him. Yeah. Hm. >> And people were asking why, you know,

what gave you the confidence that you. could trust? It's like, did you because. like did you how did you meet him? He's. like, oh, I was introduced by a friend. of mine. And then so like what what did. he tell you that he did to like have you. give over basically control of all of. your money? And he and he said that. Epstein was working as the for the. Rothschilds as their money manager. So. I'm like, this is even before Wesner. Wexner, which is where we think he got. all his money. So even before that, somehow Jeffrey Epstein, like a high. school math teacher, was was uh working.

for the Rothschilds. Like how did that. happen? >> Yeah. >> Which is then to me it's like back to. the spy thing. It's like was he some. sort of intelligence asset that was. positioned within these you know people. who are pulling the strings like. powerful families institutions around. the world. >> That's that's my hypothesis around it. >> Got it. So that's who so that's who he. is and we don't know any crimes that he. did. He's just associated with them, right? There's no accusations against. this Mr. Wexner, is there? >> I don't think there's any specific.

accusations. I do know there's a famous. documentary that came out where the CEO. of Abbercrombie. was using Abbercrombie to recruit young. men into prostitution. >> Oh, really? Yeah. The CEO was of. Abberroi. Pull that up. >> Yeah. Mike Jeff. >> Yeah. Let's get a. >> Mike Jeff. Sex trafficking. Yeah. Yeah, right here. Former Abberrombian fish CEO. charged with operating sex trafficking. ring. >> Mike Jeffy's former CEO of US clothing.

company Abberrombie and Fitch has been. arrested for alleged sex trafficking and. interstate prostitution following weeks. of speculation of allegation of. professional misconduct. U Jeffrey's. romantic partner, Matthew Smith, who is. also a man, and association James. Yakobson were arrested for alleged role. in the Enterprise. Huh. Did they ever. convict him or was just alleged? >> I think he's in jail. up. >> Let me see. US Attorney Bon Pierce said, "Powerful individuals for too long have. trafficked and abused for their own.

sexual pleasure young people with few. resources.". >> Is he in jail? I'm very curious if he's. in jail. Like, where is he right now? This is a perplexity question. >> It is, huh? Leave this open and scroll. down for a little bit and go look at. perplexity separately so I can keep. reading. Just want to see what they're. It describes sexual botaniles spanning. from New York to Morocco in which a. recruited men were given drugs, lubricants, condoms, costumes, and. sometimes erection inducing penile. injections.

that cause painful hours long reactions. Boners probably. Oh, >> I looked it up. He's not in jail. He's. set to go on trial. They just found that. he's fit to stand trial. This was in. December. >> Oh, they're trying to go with the. insanity plea. Well, I mean that's. >> it's not ideal. >> So the thing about Wesnner Wexner, I. keep Les Wexner, hard to say his name. Les Wexner is that he's also involved in. that whole Israeli Zionist, you know, money. moving operation from Israel to the.

United States back and forth to support. various Zionist causes. Like he's one of. the big funders of the Birthright trips. to Israel, right? I don't know how much. you know about that, but I've talked to. a few people. the purpose of that they. they're describing like that's another. crazy sex party type of thing where they. get really Yes. >> I never heard that. I have heard that. Um. >> yeah, there's this one as well. I've. seen Yeah. Israel and the CIA how the. Iran contraplanes landed at Les Wexner's. base. So they're running some kind of.

CIA operation using Wexner's airport in. Ohio and Jeffrey Epstein was. facilitating something within there. very complicated, but it's like, okay, so these guys are not just normal. people. >> Got it. So, we're just saying that that. guy is an example of somebody that. worked under Lex Wexner at one of his. companies. >> Well, that Les Wexner hired him to run. abroad. Got it. >> Um, who is Howard Lutnik? That's a name. that you that you hear a lot. >> Well, Howard Lutnik is the commerce um.

secretary right now. >> Okay. The commerce secretary. You not US. commerce? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And he was on record. He gave this whole. melodramatic interview where he said he. lived right next door to Jeffrey. Epstein, by the way. Literally next door. neighbors. >> Wow. >> 9 and 11. That'll come back later. Uh uh. East 72nd Street. >> 911. >> Yeah. So, he was right next door to. Jeffrey Epstein. And he was asked, you. know, what was your relationship with. Jeffrey Epste? He said, well, I went. over to his house once with my wife. I.

saw a massage table on the counter. I. turned. I was like, oh, what is this. disgusting man? and we left immediately. We never spoke to him. I was never in. another room with him ever again cuz. this is a disgusting human being. And. then the emails come out and there's. like all kinds of correspondences with. um with Jeffrey Epstein about like. visiting the island. There's emails. about them investing in a company. together. So they were very much closer. than he let on. >> Than letting it let on. >> Yeah. [clears throat] So he's just.

basically straight up bold-faced lie to. the American people. So, is he being. held on charges or anything? >> No, but he should be held on charges for. another thing which he just did the. other day, which is, you know, the Trump. tariffs, >> right? They just voted against him. Scotas just voted against him, right? >> So, then he was out there publicly. telling the American people prior to the. Scotas voting saying, "Oh, yeah. I think. Scotas will side with President Trump on. this one." But his firm that's run by. his sons now was like shorting these. tariffs. Basically, they're buying. insurance against the tariffs.

>> Where were they doing that? Like on some. of these like uh poly market sites and. stuff like that? >> No, it's through some kind of financial. instrument. That's way more complex than. I can probably explain. >> Wow. >> So, Howard Lutnik's family firm bought. up the rights to tariff refunds for 20. to 30 cents on the dollar after. Liberation Day last year. Today, the. Supreme Court struck the tariffs down. for every $100 invested. Lutnik's sons. just made three to 5x. Welcome to crony. corruption America. >> So, that's like insider. trading. He's basically he probably knew.

that they weren't going to. >> Right. But he says that. >> but he says on on TV saying, "Oh, no. I. think they're going to side with the. American." Allegedly. Yes. Well, well, yes. I don't feel like I use that word. enough today. So, if you know, [clears throat]. but he there's another connection with. him and 9/11. >> So, he was profiting off of Trump's. tariffs. >> Yes. >> Right. So then allegedly he would have. known then that the Supreme Court was. going to do that. >> and then so he's tra So basically he's. creating buzz in one direction but then. he's trading in the opposite direction, right? Because if he felt that they were.

going to. um vote in favor of President Trump, why. would he be executing the trades on the. opposite side, >> right? >> Doesn't make sense. >> Unless it doesn't make sense, >> right? So that's classic insider. trading. >> Yeah. But that's the thing about the. like so many people like look at the. leaky faucet and they're like who's. causing this leaky faucet? But what they. don't realize is the true player is the. are the people that bought the stream up. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> up from the city up from the water. department and they're doing things. there that eventually years later will. cause the leaky faucet and they've set.

up all these businesses and things along. the way. Like some people don't realize. the strategy sometimes that goes into. things, right? >> Absolutely. Well, he is the So, there's. there's some crazy we got to get into. because he is the CEO of Caner. Fitzgerald, which is they were the. tenant of, you know, I think floor 105. to 107 in the World Trade Center. building. >> Okay. >> And he did not go to work that day cuz. his wife, this is Trump said this last. week. There's a clip of him like, "Hey, your wife begged you not to go to work. that day. You never missed a day of work.

in 20 years. Aren't you glad that you. didn't go to work that?" So, he like. most of his employees died. And then he. did this whole thing where I don't know. if you want to play this clip or I could. just talk through some of the stuff. where he basically took all the. insurance. So the the company was paid. insurance money from the airlines and. then he pocketed most of that money. instead of giving it to the employees. Yes. >> Really? >> Then you get past Okay. So it's like did. he know something like what was going So. play this clip though. The the clip that. I sent um Zach there's a lady like how. he got his home right next to Epste.

It's it's insane. Tell me, what are the odds that the. notary to the deed of what was both. Epstein and Howard Letic's property at. 11 East 71st Street? Because yes, Epstein owned that property before Letic. owned that property. It was transferred. to Epstein for just $10 in 1992. Epste. passed the deed to a Comet trust in 1996. again for just $10 of which a Guido.

Goldman was a trustee. The son of one of. the founders of the World Jewish. Congress and then it was passed to. Lutnik in 1996 for again just $10. who notorized. the deed transferring this property from. Jeffrey Epstein to the Comet Trust in. 1996. A Gary Pard. Gary Pard just so happened to be in the.

perfect spot at the perfect time to. record the perfect shot of the South. Tower collapsing. on September 11th, 2001. Is it just a weird coincidence that. Jeffrey Epstein and Howard Lutnik owned. 911. East 71st Street? >> Wow. I mean, kudos to her. She was like.

digging up like [ __ ] documents. >> Yeah, she's petting a cat, too, at the. same time. Which heavily reminds you of. the person from Inspector Gadget. Remember that guy? >> I I've never seen Inspector Gadget. Was. it Inspector Gadget, the bad guy or the. person who was like the dark guy always. be petting the cat? Dr. Claw. Yeah. So, what was she saying there exactly just. to sum it up? >> I think what she's insinuating there is. that there's some kind of fornowledge of. 9/11 that these things that how did. Lutnik even get this property in the. first place right next to Jeffrey Epste? There's some kind of collusive action. taking place here. There's something.

shady happening behind the scenes. obviously all coincidences as she's. saying. Yeah. But. >> it should be examined a little bit. further, especially with the context. that if you looked somebody somebody. like did time stamps and all the emails. that were in the Epstein files and. there's like a huge chunk that's like. missing between 1999 and 2001 that's. like all not there. >> So it's like was something and Gain. Maxwell's also asked to be on the 9/11. shadow commission. Like why was she. asked to be on the 911 shadow. commission? Like did she snow some. stuff? Like they she was reached out to. she said no. So, like it seemed like.

they knew that. Yeah, here it is. >> Uh, this is from Chris Martinson. Um, it's just a complete coincidence that. the DOJ has completely withheld all the. absent documents immediately before, during, and after 911. Is that right? >> Wow. The gap 25,000 missing serial. numbers. I mean, how much do you believe. we we talked about this a little bit. earlier like that some things feel like. theater, right? It almost feels like. like you hear all these things that like. the the the Simpsons and they predicted. this and every week now it's like it was. written here and it look at this.

>> Do you believe. >> and then it starts to like what do you. believe about that? Like how much of the. like stuff like this like they lived at. 9 and 11 and this next door? Do you. think any of that's real or we're all. just reading into this stuff? Have you. seen enough things where you're like. there could be something here? >> I think some Okay. So I think some of it. is coincidence but some of it is like. predictive programming and that they. want. So for example the Top Gun example. I would say is they want the American. com uh public comfortable with this kind. of attack this style of attack. It's. going to be awesome. Look how great the.

firefighters not the the fighter jet. pilots are going in bombing the uranium. site pulling out. Great stunt. >> So that top gun was in Iran. That's. where that happened. It was a uranium. site in Iran. >> That was Yeah. >> So you're saying let's put it in a movie. before we do it so that it'll feel more. comfortable to people. >> Exactly. So some of that stuff I think. is predictive programming where they do. that. Some of the stuff is coincidence. and then some of the stuff I think is. like full scop stuff where they try to. get you distracted with another issue so. they can maybe brush this real stuff cuz. I do believe the Epcene stuff is real.

stuff. Like this is like there's real. crimes taking place behind the scenes. Like people should be investigated all. that stuff. So for I'll give you an. example which may be controversial, maybe not. But like for example I think. the ICE riots are a little bit of a. scup. Yeah. Like that stuff is I don't. know how many you know how much you've. talked about that but like I think it's. purposely created to be a divisive. issue. >> It reminds me of the stuff of the. Portland like in the park those Antifa. in the park riots and stuff and you had. Renaissance fair people battling Bernie. Sanders activist and some of that [ __ ].

and it was like what the hell is even. you know a Star Wars versus Game of. Thrones character someone like what is. even happening here. Um, I could see. some of that because there was there's. videos of them like finding a guy who. like started a like put like a Molotov. cocktail on the street or something and. they follow him. They're like who are. you know interviewing and the guys like. obviously was just stopping by to do. this not really involved. I could I. think there's more of that that happens. than we even know right. I think a lot. of the videos you see like, oh, look at. this. This seems real, but you don't. realize somebody could stage that, put.

the video out, or it could be AI, and. you don't even know, >> right? And they particularly pick this. issue where there's like no, there's not. going to be any agreement because. immigration is one of those issues like. abortion. There's really not a right. answer. It's like based on your. morality. Like some, you know, like some. countries are great, like Japan's great. because they're all Japanese. They have. their own customs and cultures, really. cool, or Scotland or whatever. America. just happens to be like kind of a. melting pot. That's kind of what we're. known for. But there's no like right. answer to like the amount of immigration. you should have. So they pick this issue. that nobody can really come together on,

right? And then they send people on the. streets because I'm like thinking why. aren't you sending people on the streets. for like Epstein? Why are you sending. people on the streets for like spraying. pesticides and all our food? Why is. that? Because that's a unifying issue. People will will actually demand. something out. This is like there's no. answer because you could look at the. same video. This happened with the Renee. Good and the other guy Alex Prey, right? People look at the same video and. they're seeing different things and. they're like, "Ah, perfect. let's. amplify this more. Let's send more. people out there. And now also they. create because I think this there's. something weird happening here where I. don't think Trump is that serious about.

deporting people because there's like a. business interest in like keeping them. here because you have like depressed. wages. A lot of them work in. hospitality. A lot of them work in farm. and Trump said, "Oh, those are exempt.". Like, "Well, those are where all their. all a lot of the illegal immigrants are. at. So why aren't you doing that?" Well, because your donors don't want you to do. that. So then you create this nice show. for people, a show of force on the. streets. I think the MAGA people really. love the ICE agents going out there and. and and having that presence. It it gets. them fired up. And then.

>> on the other side then the Democrats are. sending their people on the streets and. all of a sudden both sides have created. sort of a a pretense to like now we got. to surveil people. We got to do a police. state. >> And so you get the best of everything. You get you still get the indentured. slavery for the for the corporations. Now you have chaos in the streets. So. then you could bring about like the. palunteer mass surveillance stuff. >> That's what's heading. >> Yeah. So. >> that's the big thing I see. >> Yeah. >> For me, I believe that even even like. Well, it's also funny that one political. party lets a ton of people in the next.

and they're the bad guys and then the. next political party is uh um they're. the ones who are trying to get everybody. out and they're the they're the bad. guys, right? It's like, don't you see. that though? We're just watching the. show. Like don't you realize that at a. certain point you're just watching? >> That's what I've been trying to get. people to wake up. I've been [ __ ] on for. the ICE thing cuz I have cuz my audience. is like pretty split cuz I a lot of. times I focus just on corruption and. just you know this guy is doing. something bad. I don't really do like. party politics and stuff like that. So I. have people on both sides depending on. the issue because I went hard at the. COVID issue which is like a rightle.

leaning issue right against the. vaccines. I'm like these pharmaceutical. companies very corrupt and that's a. right-leaning issue. But then there's. other issues that like people side with. more on the left which is like the pro. Palestine stuff anti-Israel that's like. more of a left issue. So then in the and. so then whenever I comment on something. that's like really I think um divisive. like I get hate on both sides. I've been. called like a communist and uh you know. also like a libtard to like right-wing. Nazi like every. >> But if you're getting called both things.

you're probably doing a good job I. think. >> So I've been called everything like a. CCP spy which obviously you know you. know I. >> I've been called it a couple times and. wigger. Well, >> so you know, >> well, I think once you're in the game. long enough, you you it's not it's not. possible to not be hated by somebody. >> Yeah. I think it's like Yeah. Then. you're probably doing something right. I. feel like, you know, and you just have. to do your best. It's like you don't. know what the [ __ ] you're doing. >> But neither do those guys that have. wearing the suits and everything. That's. my thing. It's like those guys don't. know what the [ __ ] they're doing either. They just look like they know what. they're doing. And I'm very open. It's.

like, hey, I'm just giving you as I see. Like I'm I'm reading one chapter ahead. My job is to like inform you of what I. found. And then you could take that for. what's I mean that's like I think that's. the tie back to what we talked about in. the beginning. It's like that's the role. of a teacher is like I'm trying to just. give you information and then I. hopefully that inspires you to do. something that you want to do, right? A. teacher is not supposed to say hey you. need to become X Y and Z in your life. It's to give you information to then. sort of let you then go out there and. explore the world like inspire you to do. something else. >> That's what I get from your content.

It's just like um you know when I see. stuff it's like that's interesting you. know or that h that's curious you know. I think I just get a curiosity about it. And uh and this is kind of one of the. first times where media has been open to. be able to kind of say what they want. Like media has been vastly kind of. controlled by a couple of corporations. over the past what 50 years, 100 years. maybe. >> Yeah. And you're going to see a co-op. They're going to try to co-opt people. like myself. I'm already seeing it. happen, right? Because they now they can. get people to say exactly what they've.

said in mainstream media, but then. through the lens of like a Tik Tocker. who's just wearing regular clothes. So. you're going to see that battle like an. information warfare will continue. And. then that's why for me I've always. stayed very very you know diligent about. making sure that I'm not taking money. for anybody that I don't want to you. know like I'm basically fully. independent. I want to stay that's why I. got in the game like I could have made a. lot more money doing consulting work. that was easy you know straightforward. but here you know I'm I'm just hopefully. here on like more of like a spiritual. mission you know.

>> Yeah. Well, I think I mean you want to. live like if if if Earth exists and. we're all going to live here and America. was this thing that you believe in or. that you knew your grandparents believe. in. A lot of people are like, you know, I'm trying to believe in what America. stands for, the best parts of it, the. most moral parts of it, or that being a. human stands for because like, you know, I had a family member that died for. these goals or I had a family member. that, you know, who sacrificed their. life to work here in this country under. these rules so that I could go to school.

in a place that was, you know, free. democrat. You know, it's like I think. people just want to have a life. they. want to have a chance to live and their. children to do so. And if you start to. think that there's all these dark. controlling forces out there, um, which. mostly are probably elites and people. that are like extreme capitalists or. power hungry, uh, that's very scary. And. you start to realize, oh, there is a. there's a battle of good and evil at a. certain point. >> Absolutely. you know, and that we're in. that maybe, >> you know, sometimes you don't want to.

think like, hey, maybe I'm a character. in something, you know, but maybe you. are, you know, maybe this is a battle of. good and evil and you are you are. supposed to have a role in it. Not you, you know, you and everybody, you know, it's like um sometimes we sit at home, we're like, man, I wish I'd have been. picked to be like a hero or something. And it's like, maybe you got to [ __ ]. tap yourself on the shoulder. You know. what I'm saying? because I do feel like. life is a bad I do feel like there's. there's good and evil in the world right. now and um I don't know how it plays. out. Uh but it feels scary and it feels.

alarming and I just feel like a lot of. people feel that. >> Yeah. I mean I the the I completely. agree with you and I would I just you. know to kind of spin it on a positive. note there's a lot of times through. history. I don't think we're living. through like the worst of times by any. stretch of the imagination. I think I. think it could feel that way sometimes. with maybe social media and things like. that, >> right? But but I think there even in. dark times like people really struggling. out there I think there definitely can. be happiness found in dark times. >> Oh yeah chocolate. [laughter]. >> Look at that. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. [sighs].

>> There you go. So well I noticed for sure. it's like if I need to like if I want to. get my head out of like some of the. rabbit holes cuz your algorithm will. take you down some crazy. It'll take you. down some spots where it just repeats. information. >> and you can feel little bits of. indoctrination coming. You know you feel. the [ __ ] you smell a little. indoctrination smoke. Sometimes you're. like, I got to quit doing this. Um, but. if you separate yourself from your phone. sometimes and any and any of the things. that are kind of edgier in the world or. darker in the world, then things get.

light again pretty quick. I feel like. >> I think so. I mean, yeah, you have to. like step away from this kind of stuff. from time to time. It's like, you know, your own body better than everybody. else. If you think you need to turn it. off, you got to turn it off. And that's. why I try to do that with some of my. content is like the the natural path if. you start looking down these like. conspiracies get darker and darker and. darker. And some people are okay with. that. For me, it's like I still want to. provide videos for people where they. could still take action, right? Cuz some. of those things like, okay, some some. there's some like dark lizard family.

that's running, you know, running the. world. Like there's nothing you could. really do about that. But if I give you. information on like, hey, Amazon Ring. cameras are like spying on your family. through this whole dog thing that at the. Super Bowl, like you should probably get. rid of your Ring camera. That's. something that you can actually do. It's. like, I don't want to be a part of that. Ring camera thing. So, I'm. >> Do you feel like they're doing that? >> Yeah, they are. They Well, they they. were connected with to the um. >> to that company Flock, which is giving. the the footage to Exactly. to the. police. And they thought the dog video. would work. They honestly did cuz I. looked into it and they thought the dog. video was a good video. There was this.

whole PR campaign pre- Super Bowl, but. then people saw that weird thing in the. Super Bowl with all the lights going out. and it's like, whoa, hold on a second. And they said 10 million dogs are lost a. year. This is going to find 300 dogs a. year of like 300 out of 10 million dogs. That I don't think that's a worthy. trade-off for, >> right? It seems like a scam. >> It seems like a scam. So then that is a. video like that that video went decently. viral. And I think that's something that. people can can gravitate to because they. could actually do something about that, >> right? And that's why like I'm trying to. play sort of a line with my.

editorialization, which yeah, some. videos are going to be about more of the. conspiracy digs, but some of it's going. to be things that you can do something. about, right? It's like what banks are. good, what banks are bad, like you can. choose your bank, right? Right. You. can't choose like, you know, whether. we're going to bomb Iran tomorrow or. not. That's something that's totally out. of your control, >> right? Yeah, I agree. And like keeping. stuff that's in your control. What is a. good bank, man? >> What is a good bank? I mean, I'm not I. mean, I I don't I mean, local banks, honestly, like credit unions that are in. your local community, like small. regional banks are probably the best.

banks because they still they're tied to. the community. They're not some kind of. giant conglomerate like JP Morgan, Chase, Bank of America, that kind of. thing. So, that's what I would look for. in terms of like who you should go with. There's some like new fintech stuff. I'm. making a video about this company named. Chime, which has been sponsoring a lot. of um content creators that are like, you know, the the the the ones that are. all about like giving money. They find. some homeless person, they're like, "Oh, let me, you know, help you out for the. day." That kind of thing. Like really. like heartwarming content, but it's like. sponsored by Chime, which is like pretty. nefarious. I I don't have all the.

information quite yet cuz I'm still. starting to dig. But it's like, oh, this. is seems like kind of a semi-cam that. you're running here. But then you're. you're advertising through all these. good content creators that are making. heartwarming content. So, it seems like. that's kind of, >> you know, there's a little bit of. susness to that. >> Well, maybe they're trying to rebrand. themselves, too. You know, it could be. >> Well, it's new. It's a fintech. It's a. new company. >> Interesting. >> So, that's something I'm still digging. into. Allegedly, you know, I'm not not. insinuating that they've committed. crimes or anything like that, but I just. think that people those are things that. people should know. It's like, oh, cuz.

they could see that video and like, oh, I should sign up for Chime to do my. banking, >> right? >> But then they could be can take taken. advantage of because they're not under. the regular, you know, FTIC protection, all the regular banking authorities. because they're outside of that. >> Got it. >> So, that's that's the kind of stuff that. it's like a bit of a balance for me of. of digging into conspiracies, digging. So, I'm I'm like a very much like a. generalist in that sense of like maybe. it's just like my brain like ADD, ADHD. kind of thing. I'm not diagnosed or. anything like that, but I I see. something I was like, "Oh, yeah. I'm. going to do that for a little bit and. then I'm like, "Oh, I got to stay on.

this." But then something else has. caught my eye. So, that's a little bit. of a weakness of mine, but also could be. a strength in that. I do videos about a. lot of different things. >> Yeah. Well, I think we got to have a. gopher. You got to have something that. goes in there and digs over here and. like, you know, he chews on this. vegetable and then goes over there for a. radish and then goes underground and. looks at the roots, you know. I think. that that's that's something we need. more than ever. And it's um and it's. interesting and uh and it's just. freelance. It's like, you know, you're. trying your best to work in freelance. 5149, that's your podcast. How often is. it out? And do you still have you have a.

co-host on it? >> So, yeah. So, I do a show called 5149. That's when I do more of like the. investigative digs on my YouTube. channel. >> Okay. >> And I also host a show called the. Todayish Podcast with my co-host Danny. Love. and we that's sort of like more of. like a fun podcast where we're just. having conversations about like what. went on during the week. She's like much. more of like a tin head than I am. So. she's you know I'm having a conversation. I'm like talking about Peter Teal. Palunteer you know they're taking over. um you know surveillance and then she'd. be like I think Peter Teal is a lizard. >> right? And I'm like okay all right cool.

So then so she we she gets a little bit. more weird than I do. But it's like a. fun dynamic of like you're we're trying. to give you like important stuff but. like packaged in more of like a fun and. light-hearted way. Um, so I also do that. show called The Today. That's more of. like a two-hour live podcast that we do. every single week. And then if you want. the digs, that's on my channel, 5149. James Lee. You could also find me on. Instagram still as well as Facebook. RIP. to the Tik Tok. >> Then we'll get you back on there. Huh? >> No, not not as of right now. I think. they're they're fully under the the.

Israeli regime at the moment. >> You think so? Huh? >> Yeah. >> I know. Yeah. A lot of our stuff got. shadowbanned on there. It seems like. we've had stuff go down. >> But you you can't they can't ban you. because you're so big, right? Cuz me, I. was, you know, I think I was around. 300,000 followers. So I was like, my. some of my videos would be popping up. into the millions, but I'm not so big. it's like, oh, James Lee is is deleted. Like there's going to be a huge outro. Like if you got deleted off of TikTok, there would probably be a huge huge. backlash. So I'm in that per like. perfect place like let's get rid of this. guy because he has enough influence. that's pissing us off, but he's not so.

big that we have they find other ways to. deal with I think bigger people. Like. from what I heard this guy um Guy. Christensen, he goes by your favorite. guy on TikTok. So they basically said. they just demonetize him or they'll do. like weird shadow banning stuff where he. still has his account but they limit the. reach in other ways. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that that happens, man. I. think it happens a lot. Um James Lee, thanks for coming in, man. I'm sorry we. got caught up on time. You know, I got. to get to the airport. Uh so that's. reason why we're kind of caught up on. time. >> Thank you for, you know, giving me a. chance to like speak.

>> Yeah, dude. Well, >> speak truth things like that, you know, or my truth at the very least. I'm just. trying to help. I mean, ultimately, I'm. just trying to to hopefully provide like. a voice out there that people, you know, can maybe turn to. Maybe they don't like. me, then you can go watch something. else, but like at least provide that. media alternative to what's going on. with the world, you know? >> Yeah. Well, we've always been able to be. curious. I mean, it would be wild if we. couldn't be. Um, and I think more than. ever, it's like, yeah, there's uh, yeah, people are trying to figure things out. and just want to feel okay, you know?

Um, James Lee, thank you so much, man. How we doing, brother? I'm just floating. on the breeze and I feel I'm falling. like these [music] leaves. I must be. corner stone. Oh, but when I reach that. [music and singing] ground, I'll share. this piece of mind. I can feel it in my. bones. But it's going to take.