Hulk Hogan | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #455

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Florida. he's one of the most known. human beings in the entire world he's. one of the most recognizable figures. um he headlined eight wrestlemanias and. he headlined my childhood if I'm really. honest with you uh I'm grateful to get. to spend time with him today he's a. Entertainer an athlete a movie star uh. today's guest is Mr Hulk Hogan.

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if you did that's the toughest thing. I've ever seen anybody do. no but I did buy the piece of bacon when. these veneers fell off I almost ate it. yeah. I could see you eat my I could just see. you just having one you know I was flare. did you behave at all dude the guy I'm. gonna just go out on a limb and say the. guy's got some issues. you think yeah. I mean he just he'd drink his own blood. if it you told him in a gin in it I. think yeah you know are we filming huh.

are we filming we don't have to we will. never even filming yeah I don't know if. we're filming yet are we recording yeah. okay yeah because. 30 years I never saw him take a drink of. water yeah brother breakfast. hard liquor vitamins hard liquor yeah. lunch a couple beers hard to look at. night wine I love him to death oh yeah. but I never saw him drink drink any. water until recently and I think he's. back off the water back on the roll. again yeah he said he's back here he.

said he did 30 days sober and then. walked across the street to a bar and. turned in his chip yeah. the funny part is he can he just can. he's that's who he is that's the man the. funny part is when he was had that. really serious health issue yeah. um I got a call from Wendy and it didn't. look good so I flew up we got a plane. right away flew up to Atlanta. and uh. I walked in the doctor pulled me sorry I. was saying your buddy here. has destroyed his body the inside of.

some of his intestines and stuff were. dying and stuff because he's got a five. percent chance. of making it through the surgery. so he goes in. we wait I was Jimmy Hart was with me who. waited we waited whether he comes out. you're still alive. um his girl's crying his daughter. Ashley's crying I'm sitting there. holding his hand holding Zan. five percent chance to make it he opens. his eyes he looks up after he goes Hogan. get me a six-pack.

what first thing he said to me get me a. six-pack when he woke up. yeah I'm not shocked man oh no I was. just tripping man just kind of blew my. mind you know yeah he's a good guy bro. he's one he's the best there ever was. he's uh well he would he and he says. that about you you know no he's the best. there ever was is he the better wrestler. is he the better and is he the Best. Entertainer is he the best wrestler he. was more consistent because I quit and I. really didn't care about the business I.

came from playing in a rock and roll. band yeah and that whole attitude. but once he got in it he was you know he. was real consistent and he held it down. like when I was doing the New York. Madison Square Garden thing he held the. southern belt thing down which was. actually a little harder because he was. going an hour every night sometimes. they'd do like what they call it. Broadways where nobody wins you do like. two-hour Broadways with Harley Race just. just those two in the ring yeah because. they didn't want to switch the belt so. they didn't want to make either. wrestlers okay you're going out Broadway.

tonight wow so somebody told me to go. now Broadway just beat me I'm out of. here I'm going to get room service and a. beer you know yeah you know I say he was. the best serverless simply because he. was so consistent now I was talking. about who drew the most money. or internationally who saturated all the. international markets over the years you. know I had more time and I had more seat. time like a good race car driver I had. more seat time in all these foreign. markets and Rick spent the majority of. his career down south and he didn't have. that yeah that swing arm to plug in that.

Mozambique zambali Malaysia all these. places where people will know who Hulk. Hogan is but they might not know who Tom. Brady is right. but you know he uh he was the man I love. working with him yeah. yeah he he um he's a scrappy he just. will not be denied really you know. there's something about him and there. was something about that whole NWA. um I don't know if it was AWA or NWA at. that time when he was really the king of. it you know but it came on I think on.

Sunday night like it was almost like I. had friends that watched wrestling right. they knew you but I knew if they really. watched wrestling if they knew about. um if they knew about NWA you know. that's when you could tell if they were. the next level of you know it. was a lot of guys that just couldn't. even read and they'd be in the stands. yelling just signs misspelled yeah you. had me dialed in to be like that whole. Crockett Southern belt promotion you had. to be a wrestling fan oh yeah rabies I. feel like I was more accessible to the.

housewives and the kids that didn't know. what wrestling was yeah you know so it. was a whole different thing but then. Rick came our way yeah and I'd been. begging him to come up there for years. he wouldn't leave. and then uh once he came up then we. started rocking you know was it scary. whenever he got over to WWE did you feel. a little bit of like holy how's. this gonna go because that's. a lot of ego you know it's all there's. at that point there's a lot of ego there. can only be so many men on the top of. the you know on the mountain tops. well it's kind of like you know it's.

hard to explain but I play the dumb Fox. a lot you know and for me I'm always. looking who's got the big dollar sign on. their chest yeah and I don't mean to be. an egomaniac but I mean I could actually. wrestle anybody at that time and sell. out I mean we sold out everywhere. constantly for years yeah it didn't. matter if I wrestled Flair or Kamala or. Paul horned off Mr Wonderful or it. didn't matter you could wrestle. Hunter Biden dude I'd come yeah. but yeah it was uh. it was it wasn't that with me it was.

I wanted him to get over so I would have. somebody to work with and chase you know. so that was me it was about for me it. was like the old school thing the money. and the miles you know so you know I. wasn't really. um that into being on the road or. getting beat on every night yeah but. there was so much paper involved bro I. was in yeah. yeah do you think that you felt more. like an athlete did you feel I mean. because you came from a music background. did you feel more like an athlete did. you feel more like a like this is just.

did you almost make wrestling your music. in a way does that make any sense. because you're hitting you're hitting it. on all these cylinders there I really. wasn't an elite athlete that was great. on the football field or you know a. great wrestler you know amateur wrestler. or y'all had a baseball background but I. didn't you know played Major League. Baseball I had a couple of things that. happened to me that stopped all that. stuff but I looked at myself more as. just she said it's like an art form. extension of my music and when I once I.

figured out what the business was about. because you can Google Hulk Hogan in. Japan you can see me get down and. wrestle like Bret Hart and all the guys. because that's how I started you know. back in the day here I think I'm here on. Matsu broke my leg the first day ran me. off put me in the Doge over two years. long wrestling hook submissions. you know so you learned it all well I. went through the motions because back. then if you got your ass beating the bar. brother you were out of the wrestling. business yeah you know back in the 70s. it was back in the late 70s a little bit. different than the performance center.

now with the WWE yeah you know oh I can. I can only imagine you had to live the. lifestyle then yeah and you had to. protect the business and if you wanted a. job there's a 300 pound guy over there. with cauliflowers you had to take the. food out of his wife and kids mouth to. get in the business yeah it wasn't like. you know there's 40 wrestlers here that. have been training you know at the. performance center we can pick one when. one gets hurt and replace replace him it. wasn't that way right it was way. different back then but yeah it was a it. was uh. something that once I figured the.

business out you know I kind of like. watched a bunch of guys growing up like. I watched Dusty Rhodes look because I. was from here you know and then I also. watched Superstar Billy Graham a lot and. I kind of like stole a little bit from. both of them. and then I was digging and rustling and. digging and wrestling around here and. then I quit and I went to you know. Northern Florida through P Cola and. Mobile Alabama Birmingham Alabama. wrestled and Russell then I quit. that I went up to Memphis for a while. and I quit when you were quitting what.

was it making you quit kind of was it. just the money bro I was wrestling like. 12 13 times a week there give me a check. for 125 oh yeah when you're beating the. out of somebody at a Best Western. yeah and I was gigging my head for five. bucks a night and then in between rock. and roll bands one of the lead singers. in my band got me in the laborers union. here because in between bands we'd go. put our go to the labor labor hall and. they pull your number you may get a job. for four days at the mall working with. the uh a pipefitter or three days at a.

government shutdown working with. electricians and I got uh a call to go. be a longshoreman help a longshoremen I. get in the union down there in where in. Florida yeah on 22nd Street Causeway in. Florida okay so once I learned how to be. it was a weird place because I was. probably the first white guy ever in the. longshoreman Houston here in Tampa oh. wow mostly Latinos Latinos and blacks. yeah and so then I learned how to load. the ships and I became a stevedore but.

in between wrestling I was like man 13. 14 times this week twice on Wednesday. twice on Saturday three times on Sunday. I wrestled for 125 I'm going back to the. dock so I was making 400 bucks a day. yeah you know eating the gimmicks and. working 14 15 hours you know it just. didn't pay no so I quit quit I went back. and forth back and forth but um then I. figured the business out right then I. went back and one time I slammed. somebody I went. I wish to the crowd like that in the. reaction.

got more response than the body slam. yeah wait a minute let me hit somebody. of throat and then yeah I'm looking. another action go you know more I said. okay now I got it it took me a while to. figure it out. and then when I get fired from the WWF. The First Time by event senior when I. went to make the Rocky movie I went and. spent three years in Minnesota and then. I figured it out all right the whole. Mania thing out the ripping the shirt. the hulking up but I wasn't an elite. athlete but I figured the business out. and I got real good.

yeah. instead of getting somebody in the. corner kicking them 20 times like the. guys do I'd kick somebody once and leave. them lying yeah and I said don't get up. and I'd walk around and strut like a. peacock and do my thing and I figured. out how to create emotion and drama. and get people really pissed off at me. really happy with me so. I just kind of figured it out man but I. had enough of an athletic ability to. have balance and you know basically. replacement have a Cadence in the ring. which you know a lot of guys can figure.

out. yeah man it's just it's really it's it's. uh it's kind of fascinating to see like. what because I I don't as a fan like. dude I remember. like you we would try to stay up for. Saturday Night Main Event man and we. were a kid and was like I remember. my brother and I holding each other's. eyes open because because we can come on. till 10 30 right and like we were. sitting there and we would wake. up in the morning we'd be like what did. you see like we missed it we were like.

when you would come on it was like. man it didn't matter how poor we were it. didn't matter if my parents were too. busy it didn't matter if I wasn't a. tough kid it was like. yeah I fell in love with you it was like. I didn't care about the wrestling you. know like I did the wrestling was cool. but I cared about whoever that per like. whoever they made me whatever they made. me feel you know and when you it was. like it made me feel like man this is an. escape like and I fell more in love with. the yeah the person not the moves like.

it didn't matter who's the most athletic. right you know Snuka was fun to watch. because he had you know this hair coming. off of it you know in these you know. domestic charges or whatever just. dangling off of them but he was like but. otherwise it was like yeah it was about. the person it wasn't about as much the. wrestling yeah I figured that out bro. and that whole. thing I slid into you know that from. Venice Beach California of course I'm. from here yeah my whole life. and that that whole being tanner than.

everybody and having the blonde hair and. and just kind of like the training. prayers and vitamins that impeccable. baby face character you know it kind of. like was just perfect timing with. everything oh yeah so I kind of figured. out you know right away you know that. the character worked and I saw how I. kind of like came up with a little bit. better character than everybody else. around me and I just wrote it till it. dropped I picked it up and I wrote it. some more and I spanked it and wrote it. some more and even when Vince told me.

you know he runs over and I think you're. done with it I said okay see you later. let's work for Ted Turner for 10 years. and taught everybody a lesson that was. NWO yeah and then I went in the red and. yellow for a couple years then we've. kind of felt a little Runway I needed to. do something evil you know and then that. got red hot so you had good instincts. then yeah you say that yeah you see a. good instance yeah yeah well I came into. New York in 77 as a bad guy because I. sold out Shea Stadium with Andre in 78.

and then I went all around Japan I spent. 20 years in Japan six months out of the. Year oh hey that's what I'm saying. Google some of my matches people know. about that as much no not really and. what was that lifestyle I mean you guys. get over there first of all you're twice. as big as anybody there you're as big as. some families don't weigh as much as you. there well first off I was single right. when I went over there I didn't get. married till 80. three end of 83 December so in 77 I went. over there. and the guy that broke my leg the first. day was a guy named him yeah right and.

then they ran me off you know because I. had real arm blonde hair all the way. down to my ass coming out of the rock. and roll band thinking I could be a. wrestler duh. and then I went back a few months later. when I got home my dad beat my ass worse. than matsuda did damn he said don't you. ever let anybody hurt you again so you. know let's strike me right up so a few. months later when my leg was healed I. went back and I had that attitude you. know because I was when I was younger I. was real strong and and you know kind of. aggressive and um so I said I'm not.

gonna let these guys hurt me you know so. I just didn't let him take my arm right. you know and so I went back and you know. then they couldn't run me off and they. did everything he could to get rid of me. finally they just said okay we need to. teach this guy he ain't going nowhere so. I spent a couple years in Japan learning. the submissions Hooks and all the UFC. stuff and to protect myself not much but. I weren't enough to protect myself. and uh you know then when I went to. Japan. I had this Mystique of hero matsuda.

broke me in and so that carried a lot of. weight and then just like we had Elvis. here the Japanese at the time had a real. famous Japanese singer like Elvis had. his hair bleached out and here I come. the new I played music so the first. thing I did was I went in the studio and. I cut up cut an album with a the most. popular Japanese band called pink Cloud. so I went and cut an album with them and. so right away I got over so they love. you then the other thing was I brought. Freddy blasty with me I don't know if. you know who he's classy pretty blasty.

right and he used to wrestle against him. Ricky dozen in Japan who was a mafia guy. because all all the wrestling in Japan. is run by the mafia TV a sign. everything's all Mafia at the time right. I hope they're not listening. but no that's cool it's cool yeah but. yeah so now I show up with blassie and. blassie had false teeth he had a set of. teeth he ate with then when he wrestled. he'd follow this other set of teeth down. oh that's what he would do yeah and he. would bite these guys in the head suck. the bottom of the head and spit the.

blood in their face oh yeah and his. first tour over there three old ladies. died watching TV oh God so now I come. over with him. so I got matte suit under my belt I cut. this music so the Japanese think I'm. some you know Superstar because I just. played music back in the day and now I'm. with blasty so you were a king there as. soon as I walked in there you know I was. over and so was it interesting what was. it what was it like what was the fan. Hood like and how they treat fans. different in America and Japan. well it's over in Japan they treat you. like you know your royalty you know it's.

just like Brad Pitt and you know Tom. Brady all in one you know what I mean. wow that's how they treat their. wrestlers you know and you know they've. got the sumo wrestlers and they've got. the pro wrestlers and you know there's. even the Sumo wrestles would be bowing. down to us it was just really a strange. situation and stuff yeah did you ever. battle one of those you guys ever I. almost did I almost did because they're. big dudes yeah and they're mostly. bristle right so when you go into the. dressing room at night wherever you're.

at there'd be a sheet of paper on the. wall and it was in Japanese writing of. course I knew my name in Japanese you. know Hulk Hogan Ichiban number one and I. would know my name but I couldn't read. who I was wrestling. so all of a sudden the Japanese dressing. room before I started Living and. traveling with the Japanese I was still. with the guy jeans with the Americans. all of a sudden I hear all this crazy. stuff going on next door because the. walls are paper thin over there you know. yeah and all of a sudden Peter Takashi. the referee comes up he goes oh. so-and-so Fuji shoots whatever his name.

was just beat up Kabuki the the the the. Booker so this this uh. sumo wrestler who's his first Knight. and apparently the Booker. told this Japanese guy that he wanted. him to put me over but go in and shoot. with me for 10 minutes not work and I'll. take it easy but really go in and shoot. and try to take me down and try to hurt. me but then in the end let me win he. goes no I'm not letting him win. so they come over and tell me that I go. boom you know just go oh no here we go.

so I'm going out there bro you know. because that's there is no choice yeah. you got to go out and there was a big. guy there from Vancouver named John. tentacle earthquake I don't know if you. ever remember him earthquake the. wrestler yes yeah I remember he used to. be a sumo wrestler. really good friends he goes no Terry. you're not going out there I am I said. this is all yours brother wow and as. soon as we're watching through the. curtain as soon as tento are out there. this guy tried to hook his eye right. away. and man it pissed down off trying to.

beat the out and I was like thank. God I didn't go out there wow because I. would have been ready for him to hook my. eye right away yeah you know I would I. wasn't thinking on that level yeah but. this guy was just really pissed and. didn't you know he came from a sport. where it's a shoot you know in the end. it wasn't predetermined and he did not. want to hear any of putting me over damn. you know he thought he's gonna wrestle. me and beat the crap out of me but sent. John 10 to save me dang so you guys. became friends after that we were. friends before that before the whole. tour I put him over I was hiding behind. him like scared like a mouse you know we.

I was droving crazy for the last three. weeks I was with him was there a whole. university you had going on over there. that we didn't even know about yeah yeah. yeah. actually if I was like in Minnesota for. instance. and I would wrestle on a Friday night if. I had Saturday and Sunday off I'd fly to. Japan wow wrestle there in Tokyo and. Osaka didn't fly back for Monday TV. because the money was good there yeah. yeah real good wow yeah Japan we had who. do we have on we had on Jesse Ventura. did you this has already gone better 7.

000 times better than that. um Jesse could be a little confrontation. yeah he um he was like I lived you know. I was uh. part of the one percenters. he's like I sat I lived on the seventh. ring of Saturn no yeah you want to know. why oh he hates my guts does he oh bro I. talked to him for three hours I talked. for 17 seconds. yeah he talked for all the other time.

and he kept saying I'm Gonna Leave in. just a minute and then he would talk for. 70 more minutes wow. it was a trip yeah that guy was just it. was the it was the wildest interview the. chat wildest conversation I ever had in. my whole life well when you go to the. bathroom you close the door behind you. do you. of course yeah you don't want somebody. coming in there and because you're doing. things you're you know you're doing what. God wants you to do you don't need help. but do you do that with your web.

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um. so whenever uh when you look at a lot of. guys have you know you're in you seem. really healthy you know do you feel. healthier than uh I mean a lot of guys. in your line of work haven't had the. a lot of the same blessings of Health. I mean I know you got a pretty bad spine. you know. um what's bad on you like where's your. health at kind of now. well I think internally I'm healthy it's. just I abuse my body so bad you know.

um. in the last 10 or 12 years I've had like. 25 surgeries. you know it's kind of weird because when. I went to do Rocky 3 when my mother was. still alive if you would come to my. house. she'd go Yo T come over here first thing. I want to do is measure you you know oh. yeah and that's what she did to me. before I went to do the Rocky movie I. was like 335 pounds I was six foot seven. on the nose well then right before my. mother died a few years back. she wanted to measure me I was six four. and a half you know between the 10 back.

surgeries yeah and the two knee. Replacements and the two hip. replacements and the abdominal stuff and. the shoulders and all the surgeries I've. had you know and plus you get older you. shrink up a little bit Yeah you get a. little bit so yeah I mean other than you. know like when I'm with Skye and we're. walking I lean on her so it looks like. we're in high school I'm like hey baby. what's up I'm really just kind of like. hanging on you know for the ride or if. I'm not with her I can pretty much walk. I'm home from here to that door but if. it gets too far than that I get like a. walking stick which is embarrassing and.

hell is hell but this guy says embrace. it you're a warrior I said you're right. baby you're right I am a warrior you. know it's a way to look at it yeah so. I'm trying to adapt but. um you know we're going in Monday uh. tomorrow morning for another monogram. you know because I'm having some more. issues with my back and they're going to. see if the disc is pushed in the spine. above the hardware. and if it is then they want to go from. the middle of my backup to my neck but. if the disc isn't pushing on the spinal. cord then they said we don't want to cut. on you anymore and there's because my.

left hip is like 25 or 26 years old they. think there might be a problem there but. we're gonna find out yeah but it's all. from that damn fake wrestling basins. nobody told me it was fake. yeah did it get more did it get more. fee like did the theater of it change. over the years how did the theater of. wrestling evolve over the years. I say that when I first got in. um. if you kick somebody leave lace prints.

on them. when you punch somebody you know we want. to see black and blue marks yeah that. was the mindset when I was first in and. all and I was a medium-sized guy I was. like 3 10 3 15. I was like medium-sized. sweet Hansen 360 King Kong Mazda 3 360. all these monsters you know that I was. wrestling and it's you know this hard. pushing them around so. it got to the point where you know these. guys would beat the crap out of each.

other and it was real territorial you. know and they'd work four or five days a. week but then once this thing blew up. and I cut a deal with Vince Jr after I. was fired and I came back it was like. every single night there were three. towns a night running you know and so we. kind of lightened up with the work and. it was always supposed to be light but. it never was because people were really. laying it in and really really people. get competitive yeah I mean would there. be guys you had real kind of like you. know yes you had a long day in the car. with him and you're like tonight when we.

get out there you're gonna get it it got. a little crazy yeah and you know I. always had a little bit more of a Target. on my back because I was the guy right. you know so oh that's true so if you go. and you break Hulk Hogan's arm guess. what your careers made right and I ran. with the pack a lot but then I'd also. fly to South Africa and wrestle the. heavyweight champion of South Africa and. I'd fly to you know different places. and be by myself yeah you know and Vince. is going don't you lose that belt. monster I'm like oh great you know. because yes you could get hooked real.

quick in there you know if you're not. thinking yeah and so there was all that. and then when I come back to the States. I do this wrestle you know and so it was. all cool but it just about. [Music]. um. 1980 when I went to Minnesota. instead of digging and wrestling so much. I started you know playing to the crowd. more. and then by the time I came back to New. York to wrestle the Sheik they didn't. play any entrance music they didn't sell. any merchandise I pulled inside I said.

bro I'm making a ton of money in the. Twin Cities selling T-shirts and. headbands and Frisbees and all kinds of. stuff and he changed his thoughts and on. the way to the ring donk. the place explodes and stuff just coming. out with no music so I cranked it in the. garden that first night with the Iron. Sheik. no Jimmy Hart my manager sat down and. wrote most of the entrance music for. everybody really he was a musician he.

was a composer yeah yeah well he was in. a. way before your time actually before my. time thank God Jimmy's 79 years old but. Jimmy was in a band called The gentrys. and they had a hit song called Keep on. Dancing they recorded at Sun Studios in. Memphis where Elvis recorded oh sweet. yeah been over there yeah and so Jimmy. knew everybody. to record everything you know and not to. record everything but to write. everything yeah yeah write everything. and so yeah once Vince saw the music and.

um you know got into the merchandising. and changed the game because you know. when I went up there to work for Vince. Jr. um I lived right next door to him up. there in Greenwich and so I was in the. office every day you know for the first. three or four years it was me and Vince. in the office so you really got dialed. into the business side of it yeah a long. time long time ago before I went back. there right the three years in Minnesota. were a great education for me because I. was with a guy named Vern ganya yeah and. I was real tight with him and his son. owned that area didn't he own that yeah.

he owned everything and I was single I. had nothing to do but just learn. you know and plus I just. I just I you know I took to like a duct. of water man I found a way to you know. really you know. progress and generate a ton of Revenue. it was easy for me you know right I had. a feel for it you know and I could. wrestle anybody and I didn't even know. if I was going to wrestle him all he. tells me who's going to want to lose I. don't need to talk about anything I. never talked about a match really except. one time with Rock and we didn't do. anything we talked about.

so a lot of times you're out there just. kind of figuring out like you guys each. at a certain point especially if the. guy's good enough for season enough you. know you know you can make it great well. I could go out there with Randy Orton. not sail words matter of fact when I. wrestling SummerSlam we didn't even talk. you know then stole it so he wanted to. win or lose it Randy Orton's old school. yeah I could do that with Cena. you know I'd have to talk listen I mean. you have to I have to lead the match but. I could do it with Cena because he's. good enough yeah um rock all day long. stone cold all day long these guys are.

really good in the ring bro yeah flare. all day on me and Flair never talked. nothing to talk about see out there. brother you know so that's how I learned. Andre you know I'd go to Andre hey boss. is there anything I do that dude out. there tonight don't worry. okay well uh you know how do you want to. start the match don't worry okay. scared me to death you know did a guy. like Andre like what kind of like if you. guys were cruising in the car like what. did he have to sit in the back or did he. have to like be under a tarp in the.

trunk or the truck or something or how. would you even get like killing me man. but how would you get something that big. somewhere. um well we didn't travel together you. know and. yeah because the car wouldn't go yeah. yeah well we we drove for a lot of years. you know like if I was arrested yeah if. I was wrestling in Atlanta tonight and I. had to be in Minneapolis tomorrow night. I'd drive right no so if you guys drove. like you did if I yeah how could Andre. be in a car could he be in a car. he he they had a van they drove him in. but then we started flying right.

early 80s we started flying a lot so it. made it easier but. um if you can imagine there was never a. chair he could sit in he couldn't sit in. that chair couldn't sit there oh yeah. there was never a chair there was never. a bed there was never a knife there was. never a fork he was never comfortable. when he sat on a plane his head would be. sideways like this where the overhead is. he'd be yeah flying like this and every. plane probably just goes to the Bahamas. that he's on you know but the hardest.

thing for me was you know. the first eight or nine years he didn't. like me at all and tortured me why was. he jealous well I was I was hard-headed. bro when I was younger I thought I could. beat anybody up and I thought I could. beat him up did you keep that energy. like when you were in person too kinda. like not not he just didn't like me he. just really didn't give me the time of. day but when we got in the ring he. showed me how much he didn't like me. right you know and then I made the. mistake of bringing a flight attendant.

to the Capitol Center in Washington uh. we've all done that and I put it right. in the first row and I didn't tell. laundry I didn't tell anybody and then I. kind of kept rolling out of the ring. where she was you know and had Andre. chase me out there and then when he. chased me I turn around and catch him. real quick. and then he heard her saying come on. Terry come on Terry and he goes when he. figured out she was met with me and he. about killed me he took me back in the. ring you know how you tie the ropes up. he tied the bottom rope in the second.

and put my neck in and put a size 26. foot on it was just almost broke my neck. in the ropes then I had those yellow. tights on he picked me up like a damn. stork yeah with my balls and my ass. hanging out and carried me around the. ring in front of this girl with all my. junk hanging out yeah. no more girls. yes sir no more girls I get it but you. know he just didn't want that energy. there huh no because you know I was. showing off oh yeah he want to be used. as part of something and I was trying to. get over by showing him off and yeah.

beating my ass for that. you know that's awesome dude it's so. much fun. what was up for you maybe yeah that's. true was there a part where it started. to like where where did it start to. because everything I noticed like. there's a there's a part where it's fun. it's beginning and then it becomes work. you know yeah did it start to feel like. that at a certain point I mean even if. you're a hero to the world it's still. yeah I hate it yeah I hated it I hated. the business because of the traveling. and you know the no sleep you have to.

make a choice between. eating sleeping or working out so the. prior priorities were working out first. yeah eating and the sleep was the third. priority. so like if we wrestled in Madison Square. Garden tonight. you know and all of a sudden we're. supposed to fly to St Louis. short flight hour and a half singles all. of a sudden you get the LaGuardia planes. canceled. you know oh my God you can't you know an. old story just delayed it just you spent. all days in the all day in the airport. and then when you landed in St Louis you.

know do you go to the hotel first and. check in and waste time or do you go to. the gym first so I'd always go straight. to the gym and work out. and then usually I wouldn't have time to. go to the hotel I'd usually go to the. arena. and I was always on last so I'd miss. some room service and food. so that was always a scramble and then. I'd check in the room later at night you. know so it was just a potluck sometimes. the flights would be on time and. sometimes they wouldn't but the. traveling I hated the traveling because. it was I was flying 300 days a year and.

it burned you down oh yeah that's brutal. even with stand-up comedy it's like we. get to sometimes you take the overnight. flight because it's the cheapest back. then so sometimes. um when I was living in California we'd. fly so I'd get in at 5 30 you get in at. 6 30 in the morning or something so then. they take you straight to radio yeah. right so then you're there for two hours. and then you get back to your hotel now. it's around like 11 A.M but you haven't. slept really so you try to get a few. hours of sleep and then you get up and. want to live it's just that the. traveling Burns people out man yeah you. get off stage last the food call has.

already been done oh man I remember. I used to tease John Belushi you know. because we we jump on a blower Friday. night out of uh JFK what do you mean a. blower all night you know oh you mean an. eight ball that guy died in the coke I. think whatever but I I jump on the the. Pan Am you know to go to LA. and we land I'm sorry brother I'll see. you Monday because like he was on the. flight back Monday morning I'd be on it. and you'd see me like this oh man just. beeping this traveling I said since you.

got here Friday night bro I've already. been back to New York and back once yeah. I had to fly back to Russell at the. Capitol Center I've been back so since. you've been here resting for 48 hours I. made the trip there and back again he. goes no you didn't I said I swear to God. I did bro you know because you're out of. your mind I said well. so there was a lot of but that's the. part I hated was the traveling. um the only thing that I really dug. was you know being in the ring because. when I was in the ring. you know I was real present.

you know I didn't think about anything. else you know Ex-Wives ex-girlfriends. kids business problems money problems. three or four guys that wanted to kill. me in the back I didn't think about. anything you know when I was in the. rails it completely in the moment yeah. you know and when I the one the one. thing that really worked for me was once. I clicked. I was not terrible when I went to that. ring I was Hulk Hogan brother and I. believed it I mean I believed when I was. in there I wasn't afraid of anybody or.

anything and I just that was my attitude. you know because if I didn't believe it. you're not going to get them to believe. that they're watching I believed it so I. was so dialed into that character man I. lived through that thing and it got me. through a lot of craziness you know it. helped a lot yeah how tough was it. because you have a family right yeah and. how tough was it um I always wondered. like to your kids like to be because. you're everybody's hero like you were. like you know you were a hero to so many.

people right I wonder if it's tough for. a child to be like oh how do I make my. dad seem like my hero you know like. how do I make my dad seem like my hero. if he's everybody else's hero you know I. wonder if that's tough for a kid you. know. I'm sure it is you know. um the kids were real aware of who I was. but you know the moment I would come. home bro that Hulk Hogan thing was. dropped really at the front door I.

didn't have any pictures of my house of. Me no wrestling crap in the house at all. I didn't want it in my house some of you. guys have belts hanging and pictures of. themselves but would you ever messed up. with everybody like go to your room and. don't come out to the Bell Rings or. something like would you ever like. no no bro I didn't do that but the thing. was you know I was uh I dropped that. whole cooking Persona and the moment I'd. walk in the house I'd take the bandan. off the bald head and I was just Dad or. Terry and I was you know I could switch.

gears pretty easy because I just didn't. live that character like oh yeah brother. yeah Bret Hart thinks he's the greatest. wrestler in all this crazy crap that. these guys think you know I just let it. go man it was a job and I was real good. at what I was doing I had to there had. to be a degree of separation with me. because. you'll end up killing yourself you know. you can't live up to that character I. mean all my guys are dead and I was a. ring leader you know I was a ringleader. I was running them all hard and I'd come.

to the edge I'd stop after about four. days you guys keep going I'm out you. know. so it's uh I had I had to draw a line in. the sand. so you were able to do that pretty. pretty it was it came naturally for you. it was pretty easy to do I'm really good. at stopping things or starting things. and. and she's been around me a little while. now but it's beautiful you know she is. she I mean you're handsome. that baby I got me a whole new family.

too so I'm good. nice congratulations what are you. talking about. oh you look at her and I forgot what I. was talking about look I feel you I look. I I agree with you just look that's all. you get I'm not gonna look again don't. look again don't look again bro I'm over. here brother yeah cool we're good now. um yeah there's a lot of guys that have. passed away did you go to some of the. guys funerals yeah yeah I quit doing. funerals and weddings because. I walked in on so many hotel rooms where. the guys were passed away you know and.

oh over the years just yeah yeah I mean. if you I don't know the numbers now but. you could probably Google one of the. guys could tell you right away but you. know with baseball let's say over the. last 20 years you've already got 20 guys. died or basketball 20 maybe it's 30 or. 40. I don't know you know hockey maybe. 10 15 20. wrestling 350. yeah I mean. everybody's dead. yeah you know I got a retail store right. down in Clearwater Beach and you know we. sell pictures and posters and I okay.

that okay there's six guys in the. picture. I'm the only one still alive it's freaky. man I'm sure you know especially because. my mom and dad are dead and my brother's. dead All My Friends Are Dead so kind of. like the mortality thing can get to you. after a while so when you ask you how. how my health is I'm cool. you know with all the backs I mean you. can have one back surgery and end up in. a wheelchair I've had 10. you know and. so I'm. very blessed very lucky bro you know and. and just uh like I said I mean they're. all in or I'm all the way up if we're in.

a party bro we're gonna party yeah if. I'm gonna go straight I'm gonna go. straight you know and right now I'm on. the straight run yeah no alcohol no. actually I did take two Tylenols I was. hurting so bad today but I I didn't take. Tylenols Advil or leave for for months. now and I haven't. drag since January 1st but when I go. nice congrats when I go the other way. you're not swear it gets ugly are you. going in huh oh yeah well flare look I. mean yeah Flair definitely I mean he can.

say whatever he wants about me but I put. his ass to bed every time yeah. because he's not a clock vote come on. nine o'clock. yeah he's down last night he invites us. out right so we get out of work we had a. show last night we get out we uh text. his uh the lady has his assistant or. whatever she's like oh he just got now. who's the new victim her name's Gia. she's. I mean I'll tell you this she's uh. she lifts chest a lot I'll tell you that.

oh yeah I'll say that typical player. well she skips she skips arm and leg day. but she really. yeah uh and she said oh it's not it he. just went to bed you know I just put him. to sleep but he lives that thing he. usually sneaks off on you though really. I can see it he'll be drinking the bar. drinking the barn you'll think he's. going to the bathroom he don't come back. yeah and there's usually this huge tab. that he leaves so he's got a down. brother.

believe me I know yeah yeah that's crazy. short story floor story yeah. yeah. in between back surgery number four five. or six whatever it was I booked this. Hulk Mania tour first time I've ever. booked a tour on my own overseas right. Australia. so I hired Flair and hire a bunch of. wrestlers come with me players I need my. money up front. okay Rick sure all right for one of his. wives I bet he brought one of them with. him yeah actually divorced her right up.

he's always got a wife on him somewhere. yeah and so I paid him up front and uh. all sudden we're getting ready to go to. Australia all around my back you know. goes out again and now the tour is. booked I'm following Britney Spears. around I'm a day behind her tour picking. up leftovers yeah. I thought and uh so my background I had. to have another back surgery right. before I left and I had stitches in my. back when I went over there you know. still that's how crazy I used to be you. know you need yeah you need to lay in.

bed about six months I was gone let's go. Wednesday we're out of here yeah so I. told Flair yeah thank you yeah so we get. over there and the greatest thing was. the first night in Sydney Sydney. Australia Britney Spears get mad and. shot the crowd of bird right so nobody. came to our tours right the rest of the. tour so we bounced around and picked. everybody up you know and I wrestled. Flair a bunch over there. and every 90 economy goes hey I need. another five grand tonight. what I already paid you oh no I need.

another five grand. said okay here's five grand and then he. kept doing I said Rick. why am I giving you five grand well you. know we're drawing such big crowds you. know you you know you need to pay me. another five grand so depending another. five grand I went down to the bar he's. buying drinks for everybody I mean. paying for everything that's what he's. doing with the five grand he's keeping. everybody in the bar to party with him. all night you know and he wasn't going. to bed at nine o'clock back then he. doesn't like to be alone he said he said. there's been times in his life where he. didn't he couldn't absolutely couldn't.

stand to be alone yeah I thought it was. interesting yeah because some people. they like their piece they like their. their space. um yeah he just it was interesting even. talking to him he just is who he it. seems like there's. there's not a lot of getting he's just. the Nature Boy that's what he is bro. that's who he is it's very admirable and. it's interesting you know but I mean. that is who he is he likes to have a. good time and he will find it no matter. what and he wants you to have a good. time too. I don't think I could be Hulk Hogan 24.

hours a day yeah I don't think I could I. wouldn't make it yeah. well so I can't imagine yeah being a. hero to so many people and how it is. yeah to be able to be then to then be a. dad would also seem like. tough you know. [Music]. um. what about if you could when you look. back on kind of your career because. you've had a lot of different angles. you've had. um wrestling you've had entertainment. right you've had movies we went and I. remember seeing what was one with you.

against no holds but yeah No Holds. Barred yeah dude that was crazy. when you did that dude that was a wild. one yeah we went and see you had the. thing and we're like what is going on. here. yeah sorry to see that he's my boy that. wasn't that was a couple years ago right. yeah yeah. yeah do you start to get like why didn't. you why have you had better luck than. some of these guys. I kind of reeled it in bro you mean you.

mean why am I still alive yeah it was. after asking me yeah I didn't want to. say it like no no that's cool it's cool. I think honestly. if we stayed up for three four nights in. a row partying I would still go work out. right nobody else would I would still go. train. I would still eat good I was the trading. person vitamins I was actually doing. that you know praying that I wouldn't. die yeah yeah but but the vitamins are. Percocet yeah whatever you know maybe a.

couple more but uh. I mean look when they came out with. Somas dude imma drove a car into an. invisible driveway yeah yeah it went. together that was one of the drugs a. choice for the wrestlers yeah it was. very dangerous for them because it would. shut people's throat down my buddy. Richard died he choked on some chicken. that he didn't even know he was eating. and yeah. um but he took some of those muscle. relaxers they relax your throat so much. your it doesn't pull the food down a lot. of people choke today yeah a lot of guys. would get the Soma shakes I don't know.

if you ever saw that but that's a little. scary. God it sounds like a tick tock Trend. almost that's just like somebody beating. it just like and they can't stop it. they'll be walking and they freeze and. they I mean I've seen it happen so many. times when you're eating 10 20 of them. at a time you know. but and people were taking that much. pain pills to feel okay huh oh yeah oh. yeah. and uh you know it for me I would always. um. I never went down that road yeah you. know if they're if you're supposed to. take one or two that would be it I never. went down that road five or ten I never.

did that you know you didn't have. addiction it doesn't sound like really. no I and you know when it came to weed. or this and that and the other I could. quit not do it for three four five years. it wouldn't matter yeah you know so it's. like. but you know I just think because I was. real consistent with the training and. actually trying to eat good in between. all the craziness or the drinking and. raising hell I kind of like stayed on. track where I would see these guys. defect for weeks and not go to the gym. and just drink constantly and just not.

eat and not sleep and I just I can't. handle it man I had to be the lead dog. man right I still had to be the main. event where they could get be on the. match underneath me and be slacking. right I had to I had to blow the road. yeah man to deliver you know I didn't. want anybody stealing my spot because. they were all trying you know every. night yeah I guess it's strange because. your teammates but at the same time. they're low-key trying to take your. throne yeah yeah. they'd be more than happy to replace me.

and how much do you have to make sure. the promoter and the owners that you. stay in their good graces so that you. also stay the lead dog is that like a. whole nother thing going on that helps. that helps. um. I just get myself in in a position that. the character. became so powerful even if I really did. piss somebody off they still had to use. me yeah you know because if I went. somewhere else I put them out of. business you know so the character it. had a long run I mean you know oh yes.

red and yellow bro through the 80s and. all through the 90s and then then when I. went back you know the last time when I. wrestled the rock and a couple other. people I was still red hot man you know. oh yeah I remember seeing a poster it. said it said Ronald McDonald and. had him yeah with red and yellow and. then it said Hulkamania yeah and that's. when I knew you had just done it yeah. yeah there was there was real a real. iffy thing when I came back to the WWE.

the last time because I'd spent 10 years. trying to put him out of business you. know with Ted Turner and we were beating. the crap out of him for a long time. and then there were a bunch of business. decisions in American online internal. broadcasting merged and they didn't want. wrestling as part of their portfolio. they want to turn to Classics new movies. of the week and do programming was that. AOL they merged with that yeah I took my. boss to Turner and kicked him to the. curb. he had some off his way in the back of. the building I couldn't even find him. half the time. and they just didn't want wrestling even.

though on TBS and TNT we had three to. one ratings at the highest shows they. had and so when all that started to. decline and demise. um you know I get a call from Vince you. know he says hey man I want you to come. back and you know. put the red and yellow rub on the rock. you know I said well I don't want to. come back as a good guy I'm gonna come. back as Hollywood Hogan you know because. if I'm gonna do it right I want to put. this kid over right you know and plus he. I knew his dad I traveled with his. father for years yeah yeah you guys you.

started with the father yeah so it was. Dad we traveled whenever we were. together and I mean I remember when. Brock was like seven or eight years old. I threw my headband and he caught it. crowd of the garden you know so I had a. long history with the family and all the. Samoan brothers and all my guys and. yeah I was there when the rock came back. dude I was there then I came back I. think it was 2014 yeah but anyway go on. so yeah someone arrested you know I did. everything I could to get heat you know. right hit him in the back of the head. with a hammer I put him in an ambulance. chain the ambulance I ran him over with. a semi. I mean I did everything I could to make.

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you order when you use promo code Theo. at liquid iv.com so I guess in the end. the crowd is the real determinant yeah. if whatever script they're writing if. it's gonna play or not yeah Ah that's so. interesting yeah because you know like I. said we'd never. um. I'd never talked to anybody about having. a match before and when I went back. Vince was worried well things have. changed monster you know if you're gonna. come back here you gotta really bring it.

I didn't say anything but in my mind I'm. saying if I bring my you're gonna. ask me to take it back. you know because I can still go. and so I didn't say anything and then. all of a sudden I get a call from Vince. you know we really feel comfortable if. you go down to Miami and rehearse the. message events I've never rehearsed a. match in my life what do we even talk. about yeah I don't know what I'm going. to do until I listen to the people. you know this with my ear and my heart I. don't yeah you know so we I got out of. respect Vince asked me to go down there. so I go down there and Rocky Johnson's.

there's Dad. oh yeah he played football at Miami. didn't he yeah and it's hot as a. in this Warehouse it had middle of. summer and this other guy named Pat. Patterson who knows a lot about. wrestling and kind of helped me when I. first started so I get in the ring of. The Rock and he kind of told me what he. wanted to do you know and kind of walk. me through what he wanted to do and I. was thinking man if. you know what if the crowd doesn't like. what we're doing are we just gonna keep. doing this. you know a lot of respect I listened to. him you know yeah because you know it. was dad and him and the family I listen.

to everything I want to do and then Pat. Patterson goes okay let's go through the. match I said are you crazy. so if I fall down here I'm gonna get. hurt yeah I need 80 000 people bro you. know I mean I'm a one-time around the. block guy yeah me too dude. a lot of times I said look just we're. cool and Dwayne's fault I mean Rock's. father's going Dwayne listen to Hogan. he's just yelling at him from outside. just listen to Hogan you know so we get. up to Toronto right.

and you know everybody thinks I'm gonna. get booed out of the building and. they're going to cheer him because he's. been the number one Babyface guy there. forever so we're in the dressing room. and The Rock starts going over what we. kind of plan I'm listening and listening. okay brother Sarah we'll do it if it's. there we'll do it if it's there we'll do. it and his dad's going Dwayne listen to. Logan so we get out there bro and it was. boonham cheering me I said ah this ain't. gonna work so we kind of flipped things. around in the ring and he was so good in. the ring bro he's like an audible man. he's like that second generation third.

generation wrestler Instinct man he was. there so it was fun but it took me about. 10 minutes to get things turned around. yeah to where they were pissed at me and. halfway pissed at me and you know. halfway for each of us so but it was it. was a an amazing night I've never. experienced anything like that with a. crowd that was that was a lot of clip. thinking on our feet out there that's. cool man but that's how it always was. with me I never wanted to talk about. anything I want to go out there and see. what these people want please start. deciding for them oh I remember.

screaming so loud I thought you could. hear me through my television you know. well you know what that what you're. talking about that main event. laundry we had 33 million people watch. that night. still the largest TV audience for NBC. dude oh I can't imagine how many younger. siblings. are in wheelchairs because of you guys. oh thanks brother and look and proudly. in wheelchairs too thanks brother I mean. can we get some class action lawsuits. thanks brother I remember once wrestling.

came on I knew to put on my knee in. elbow pads because I was a young kid. because I was a younger brother dude and. we were gonna get it brother man that's. cool what's been a tough thing like a. lot of you guys travel so much a lot of. it's tough on families what's the top. what was the toughest part like uh was. it tough on your family with I'm sure. with the dad being gone it's got to be. really tough you know looking back was. there ways you think that you could. manage it better or like flair said the. career just takes so much time you just.

can't be home I had kind of this just. sounds terrible to say but I have to say. it I had a luxury that a lot of guys. didn't have. I kind of like got myself in a position. where. like if I took time off for a movie. Vince oh my God I can't write your name. down it's hard to book. because you know Vince had a book old. school book and he put Hogan versus. Kamala or Hogan versus Andre the Giant. and then you know there's a b and c town. There's the A-Town I was on the b-town.

The Warriors on C-Town would be like a. tag team. [Music]. everybody want to be on the A-Town you. know because if you're in the first. match in my town you make like two three. five thousand dollars you're making. money and if you're in the Sea Town you. know the first match you'd make 250 or. 350. yeah. so Vince would go oh man you know it's. just so hard to book when you take time. off to do a movie or whatever like I did. 16 or 17 for a bunch of kids movies you. know on TV series and all kind of weird. stuff but. you know so I I put most of my time in.

in the luxury that I was afforded was. the character was so powerful honestly. you could put my name down I said it. don't even matter just put my name down. and say Hulk Mania is coming to. Washington DC if you want to put an. opponent they're fine but you don't have. to and and the the character was so. powerful as far as the drawing power. that. once my daughter Brooke was about two. not about three years old and she. started noticing I was gone I started. winding down a little bit and I started.

working more part-time but I was. chartering planes all the time right so. you're using your time right so if I was. Four Square Garden one night and I had. Tuesday off I'd fly home right and then. Wednesday it had to be in Mexico City I. fly to Mexico you know and it got to the. point where. I had to buy my own plane you know to. get this done oh wow you were really. doing some business yeah yeah I was. doing real good. and um you know so I when my kids got up. and Nick was two years behind so by the. time Brooke was four or five and Nick.

was two or three I started to slow down. so I spent a lot of time at home you. know the last 15 or 20 years of my. career but I still banged it out man I. still had some crazy deals going where I. still generated a lot of Revenue yeah. and did you have full ownership of your. own of your own character how did that. work out with. because it's you create it within the. WWF yeah right so was there Partnerships. in it and stuff like that.

you ready for this story maybe if it's. uncomfortable no no it's way cool it's. just really a little twister. I own everything I own Hulk over my own. whole community on holster. congratulations I want a few few guys. that are on their name and the rights. and the trademarks and licenses I own. everything yeah so when I first the name. I was wrestling I had several names. Super Destroyer Terry Boulder Sterling. golden Terry the whole Boulder different. Sterling golden sounds no offense I know.

what you but yeah I don't love that one. I don't know well that was a guy named. Jim Barnett who's a very nice man yes. that was cool yeah he was cool. you know okay it's a little light in the. loafers but he's a good guy hey yeah. loved him to death but um yeah he called. me Sterling oh yeah that's what I'm. saying dude that freaked me out man yeah. but anyway yeah so anyway I went through. all these different things and finally. when I quit and I was working on the. docs I'll Never Wrestle again I'm done.

I'm you know five or six times I've quit. I'm over this crap. I get a call from Vince McMahon and it's. a couple local wrestlers Jack and Jerry. Briscoe who are here in Florida Jack was. his NCAA Champion World Heavyweight. Champion loyal wrestlers yeah they said. you know Vince McMahon. this is perfect for you this is Madison. Square Garden this is all the really big. wrestlers go. and they kept pounding on me pounding on. me I said okay well I'll go up there but. I'm not taking my wrestling stuff with. me like.

what kind of a horse's ass is that. so I fly up there and they had just got. rid of Superstar Billy Graham because he. kind of like they had some problems with. him. [Music]. 330 pounds I was working on the docks. running game on the doc's arm wrestling. everybody stuff so I walk up there in. the whole building's I can't slid. through the building I didn't know how. to get in correctly so I had to cut. through the crowd for about 20 or 30. feet and the whole building started you.

know superstar superstar I thought it. was Billy Graham oh I had a tie-dye tank. top on I didn't even think about it and. Vince McMahon senior goes don't you ever. wear that tie-dye in here again I guess. he just had a blowout with Billy Graham. so anyway I met with him and. he talks about what they wanted to pay. me you know because I I just get tired. of getting screwed over and they talked. about getting me a place to live and. having a guy travel with me which was. the one of the worst decisions ever made. that hooked me up with one of the. biggest con men ever really I don't know.

if you know who or Banner was yeah. Captain Lou Albano his partner Tony. altamore they were the Sicilians Tag. Team Champions I remember Tony okay well. Tony was. the biggest car you ever met wow he. taught me everything how to slip and. fall in a grocery store and we'll have. two three grand how to do everything you. know yeah so it just it was horrible to. put me with him but smart me up what the. world's all about. so anyway as I'm talking he goes you. know what I want you to be Hulk Hogan I. said well what does Hulk Hogan mean he. goes like that I haven't posted for the.

Polish Americans Bruno San Martino for. the Italian Americans Chief Jay Strong. both for the Native American Indian. Americans. and I want you to be Hulk Hogan for the. Irish Americans here's two bottles of. red dye I want your hair red. and you know and they put me with Fred. blasty. and I told Fred I said brother I'm going. bald-headed as it is if I put this red. diamond here the party's over so if dog. goes down the toilet oh my God he's. gonna fire us I could care less and they. didn't fire me yeah but that's how I get.

the name right Hulk Hogan to represent. the Irish Americans dang and Vince gave. you the name. so now Vince died the Irish goodbye that. could have been your finishing move ooh. strong brother I like that sorry that. would have been really good not trying. to tell you what to do but it could have. been neat because but what you did work. great yeah. so anyway Vince dies Vince his son takes. over and right when this Hulk Hogan. thing takes off we get a call from. Marvel Comics you're infringing on Mark.

reasonably similar Lou ferrigno's. character the with the cartoon character. Incredible in the magazine is before the. TV series right you know your infringing. on our Mark we're gonna sue you put you. in litigation so. we went ahead and and let them have the. name. didn't license the name but they only. had I only had to pay him one tenth of. one percent oh wow so out of a dollar if. I get a penny I had I only had to pay. him one tenth of a penny and that went. from 85 to 2005. 20 years.

fast forward to 2005. it's over you know and like now I can't. use Hulk Hogan in there and I'm red hot. in 2005 man I'm still jamming so into my. attorneys I don't give a damn what deal. you make you're going to make that deal. because I need the name so what happened. was we went and I got a one-year. extension. I had to pay on 30 of everything I made. movies TV wrestling they got 30 of. everything but.

if they decided to sell the name they. had to give me first shot at it they. couldn't you know sell the name or do. anything you know right at a fair market. value so all of a sudden Marvel Comics. gets in a fest with the WWE about. intellectual properties that they can't. re-air old Hulk Hogan matches which. means was re-airing on this stuff they. lost Marvel Comics lost and the events.

like uh 35 million dollars and they made. a huge mistake of including that in the. deal and they said no instead of paying. you 35 million dollars how about if we. give you the Hulk Hogan name and I heard. about it and I went you guys screwed up. now because now I don't have to pay 35. million dollars for the name you have to. sell it to me at a fair market value. which is only like 750 Grand wow yeah so. I bought the name backer and Vince. wanted to buy the name for me nah I. think I got this let me get this yeah I. got this one wow did that feel pretty.

yeah that must have been a cool moment. because then it's almost like you own. yourself yeah so I bought the name back. and I just own everything. oh congratulations yeah it's really hard. to do in these and then yeah how many. guys you know that have that can say. that yeah. was there ever some products like people. sometimes will try to get me involved. with different types of things you know. have there been interesting products or. something you got or things that you got. involved with like I did some pyramid. scheme or I I lost money in pyramid. schemes when I was younger but. um but that was just like somebody tried. to do like a somebody sold us like.

glitter mining or something like yeah. some guy came in our town and said they. were selling like. some shares of like glitter mining or. something but. um have you ever had crazy products over. the years you're like what the what. is this that we're even doing well I. mean we've I mean you've had a lot of. very successful stuff but if ever just. been anything crazy like we're gonna. make Hulk Hogan like Ferris wheels or. something and you're like well. I mean I think I've had like 70 or 80. action figures made yeah I got a couple. at the uh in my childhood room yeah well. the one they made to kind of got a.

little wonky and got a little weird was. they made a Hulk Hogan vibrating action. figure which got real funky you know and. brother yeah yeah I got a little scary. brother. now look if you keep one for the lady. okay. and I didn't look at I didn't say. nothing sir I don't even know what's. over there. what do you guys do for fun dates now. because you guys seem like you have a. nice Rapport what do you guys like to go. do together. um we love to eat yeah we love to eat.

um we used to love to drink but that's. over. for now. um I just love spending time with him. man I'm a beach bum I lived on the beach. my whole life the only reason I leave. the beach is to make money now you can't. get me off this beach yeah I'll just. live right up the street maybe two. blocks oh that's awesome yeah so um yeah. it's a really clear I've never been to. Clearwater before I know I heard crazy. stories that John Daly used to live in a. Hooters here yeah did you never know. about that yes yeah yes I know atrocity. got her own suitors oh that's cool yeah. yeah I always heard that he used to live.

inside of a Hooter somewhere and that. always. that's funny there's some great stories. about him and Jon Gruden. um yeah Gruden was across the street. does he yeah those apartment series of. the penthouse over there he's a really. neat guy that's cool it's cool he's. pretty intense dude. he's a good guy yeah I just know him. from being around here I mean I've got. him back home a couple times you know. he's been out running around so. you know make sure he's home safe oh. yeah yeah he's a good guy yeah it was. funny you um.

if you said you quit drinking I haven't. drank let me see 14 months I'm 14 months. sober so I don't do drugs or alcohol but. um. uh what made you quit were you just her. taking a break. I've been with my girl Skye for a while. and everything that I've ever had. happened in my life both of my two. marriages everything that's ever bad. happened to me has had to do with. alcohol oh yeah you know and during. those marriages there was. a lot of alcohol use at times which. cause major issues major problems.

and so. um. for me it was really easy to eat a. couple Percocets and drink a couple. shots tequila and a couple. eight percent white closet okay brother. I'm ready yeah and but then you know. when I get with Skye I started. getting an Ezra you know if things. weren't said correctly or I didn't like. these things sounded I would pick you. know I'd kind of like dig and start. and all of a sudden I started losing. something I didn't want to lose again so. I said I'm done drinking that it made it.

made just communication a little bit. hectic at times Well it made me not go. off like a Hot Pocket whenever I didn't. hear something I didn't like it you know. because I was I'm I could be very. well we're not doing I could be a prick. yeah you know and real quick on the. trigger finger especially the men yeah. you know and men have probably tried you. a lot over the years huh because you. were I've had some issues Yeah but I. I gotta tone my thing down you know I'm. tired of getting sued all the time you. know so yeah the main thing was that is. there other stuff that you want to do. with your life you've had a really.

amazing life do you feel like it went by. so fast sometimes or do you have when. you look back on your life like and you. still have you I mean you could still. probably live for another 25 years you. know but or maybe 30 I don't know you. could live forever maybe I don't know. what your plan is but. um do you feel like did you ever was it. like you were always looking for like a. sense of accomplishment or what do you. think like was like you're driving force. a lot of the times. probably the thing that really pushed me. more than anything was you know I didn't.

want to do the what was me story but. I grew up. and I didn't know we don't even want to. say poor I don't even want to say that I. grew up not knowing that we didn't have. money you know my mom was a housewife. my dad were construction. and I had one bicycle got stolen I never. got another one yeah and I had two. little trucks to play with I still had. this little pink truck that I had and I. had a big yellow Tonka trunk truck and I. played with that in the door all day. because my dad was a construction worker.

yeah and so I kind of grew up you know. and then when I got older I realized you. know once a month on a Friday we had one. of those little minute Stakes you know. and I just kind of grew up and I started. realizing you know looking around that. okay. you know I guess they did the best they. could. but I don't want to live like this when. I grow up so I had this crazy thing I. didn't even know it was an affirmation I. started telling myself money comes quick. and easy to me and I just kept would. always say that in my head and I said.

I'm not gonna die the poor Tampa death. because in Tampa there's a road called. Gandy Boulevard. and if you're south of Gandy or SOG. south of Gandy okay and I grew up south. of Gandhi and everybody from south of. Gandy either becomes a professional. athlete or a drug dealer or you die or. you were construction your whole life. yeah I didn't want to die the poor Tampa. death right you know you wanted to get. knocked you wanted to get on the other. side right so I wanted to fight my way. out of that town yeah I didn't want to. be a drug dealer I didn't want to die I.

didn't want to work construction because. I tried construction as a it. wasn't me yeah okay so I said I'm gonna. fight my way out of this town you know. plus I played music so I would do. anything to avoid working a real job. yeah okay so I played music for 10 years. and did real well at that but then it. got to the point where. I was playing the same clubs and just. it's just am I gonna do this forever. right you know and so I just switched. gears and went after the wrestling thing. you know and uh. it took me a while to adapt to it you.

know yeah it sounds like that but I was. pretty aggressive when I was a kid you. know and I just uh kept pushing you know. I made the big mistake of telling. everybody in this town I was going to be. a wrestler did you really yeah yeah. that's what my leg broke the first day. but that's such a scary you know who did. that The Miz I'm friends with The Miz. right and hey by the way yeah that. brother was keep this art form alive. every time I see him I tell him I wish I. love him yeah for what he's done but. because he he understands his business. a lot more than most of the guys do.

there's probably two or three guys that. I can pick out that understand that. business he's one of them yeah and he. gets it he lives I mean he's always been. that I remember him telling us before he. was arrested he's like I'm going to be a. wrestler and we thought he was crazy and. then he proved us all wrong dude I was. oh I was down in Ybor City. and there was an old truck uh Blues. image called Ride Captain Ride an old. song I just walked over the other studio. and laid the scratch bass line down for. Mike Panera in the Blues image band way.

before your time but then I went back. over to the studio and we had a chance. to go on a national tour with Blackfoot. you know and I just came off tour with. this lady named Jeannie Conroy and we. and we we came back to the studio and. everybody was screwing around one guy. was getting married and one guy's. girlfriend was having a baby and so we. get we can leave in two weeks and go on. the road with these guys and Mother's. Finest I don't know if you know who they. are that song CM Punk comes out to the. whole personality that band mothers oh. yeah. we were going to go with them in.

Blackfoot we were going to open for him. I said brother this is our chance. because our shit's straight right now. two of the guys didn't want to leave. and I was so pissed off so let me. tell you guys something I'm done. I've been doing this for 10 years I've. been doing this for 10 years with a. couple of you guys. and I'm done I'm quitting and I'm gonna. go be the greatest wrestler that ever. lived and all five of these guys fell on. the ground laughing they busted out. laughing. and it pissed me off so bad I didn't. know what I was talking about I just. said it because I was mad at him because.

they wouldn't run the road yeah and then. I said okay damn it I'm gonna go be a. wrestler you know it's just the whole. thing was crazy I had a couple. altercations with wrestlers in bars and. had met a few of them so I wasn't scared. to death him like I was. because back in the 70s you know I'd. probably fire hers and teeth knocked out. and noses bro I was scared to death for. wrestler yeah because back in the day. when Eddie Graham here had the promotion. he said Russell was fake they'd punch. you right in the mouth wow I mean there. was no lawsuits no lawyers or nothing. like that yeah I love that I wish I was.

alive so like I was scared to death him. but then I kind of got used to seeing. them come in the bar because we had a. really hot local band at the time they. would come in to hear us play. you know and then I kind of would watch. him and I wasn't so afraid of him you. know as I used to be. but yeah just all changed man. was your see your father did. construction did were you at one time. able to like say hey Dad you don't have. to work anymore was he always a worker. his whole life. yeah well the sun the sun burned him up. bro because he worked outside here in. the Florida heat oh God he started out. in the Panama Canal was where he met my.

mother my father's Italian my mother's. Panamanian oh cool man yeah so I don't. have to really go in the sun too often. yeah my father's from Nicaragua so there. you go I have to be careful how I say. that word but also I I don't have to go. in the sun all the time if you go out. for 10 minutes you turn awesome. yeah I'm on that team. yeah so you know it's kind of like um. what was the question. um was your father pretty proud of you I. guess a good question it got to a point. where. uh my family was kind of like.

not the most. feely touchy loving family you know oh. yeah you know I had a couple Brothers I. had one half brother and then. another little brother that uh. didn't do too well in life you know and. he got killed he was riding with a bunch. of motorcycle clubs and stuff and didn't. do too well but um. you know my dad and mom I don't ever. ever remember my dad you know really. being affectionate until later on in.

life you know when I started doing good. and I quit college after four years. which I should add a degree but I quit. go play music again and that really. didn't work too well probably made him. nervous huh. yeah and then when I told him I was. going to be a wrestler that really upset. you know and then later on. um I brought him up to Madison actually. the night I beat the sheath I brought my. mom and dad up wow to Madison Square. Garden to see that and my dad had just. retired so I just uh.

from that point on I just paid for. everything and then when my brother um. got killed I was real young at the time. and I got three kids you know that were. his his wife got murdered first oh here. it's in the motorcycle gang guy yeah. yeah my brother was riding with a club. and he'd done a couple years in Rayford. here and then when he got out he got in. trouble here and he moved to Houston. changed the name and then he was riding. with the I don't even want to say the. club but the Oakland chapter in. California but while he was riding in. Oakland. um.

his wife was running a hotel management. hotel and she was dating this mafia guy. and she was on the Dance Floor after. work just dance with the customer came. and shot it in their chest twice killed. her so then shortly after that my. brother had a little problem with one of. the clubs and they killed him. and so um. actually it's not true he died of an. overdose and nobody helped him that's. the real truth I don't want to say it. that way but um. so I ended up with three kids you know.

kind of like having to support him right. and so I was running so hard I had to. let my parents help and then the other. side of the family helped but I was the. guy right now and taking care of the. kids and and my parents so well she had. a lot of responsibility then suddenly to. really to be the uh guy who's helping. Finance keep things going basically I. couldn't quit wrestling anymore okay. yeah I had to make it work I had to make. it work so it's it's been a test you. know test of faith. so you know it's all good did y'all have.

did y'all go to church and stuff growing. up or was there any faith in y'all's. home. I went to uh Ballast Point Baptist. Church well I went to Ballast Point. Elementary School over in South Tampa. and I went to Ballast Point Baptist. Church with my mom once. and then uh one of my buddies was there. that I went to elementary school and I. started going with his family every. Sunday oh yeah you know did they have. donuts and stuff over there yeah for. everything God I love that dude the Lord. will freaking get you with that yeah and. so I didn't get it because I was so.

young but then later on I was like 13 or. 14 years old I was playing guitar. a buddy of mine who I played football. with in junior high school he had a. a little Christian Youth Group and uh he. said we need somebody to play guitar so. I went up there with this guy named Hank. Lindstrom and I started playing guitar. and then that's when I started listening. to scripture and then when I heard the. John 3 16 God slowly gave only the son. that whoever believes in him shall not. perish but have everlasting life. bam it hit me you know. and I accepted Christ as my savior when.

I was 14 you know saved but then of. course I derailed yeah for a long time. you know and uh went back and forth to. church every once in a while and. um my first life with the Catholic and. that really wasn't my thing you know my. kids went to a Catholic school and went. to a Catholic Church I just I didn't. feel it didn't resonate with me and then. my second wife. was spiritual but she wasn't a Believer. so that didn't work for me. and so this lady here is on the team so.

we go to church every Sunday oh nice and. uh. um. it's a Christian Indian Rocks Christian. Church. and uh it's nice having faith huh. actually I took a buddy of mine with me. today a guy named Mel chancy he was the. uh. the president of Hell's Angels chapter. from Chicago. I was a one percenter yeah I took him. and he was this guy was too yeah oh yeah. sorry Ventura just told me that so many. times yeah yeah but Mel you know. and he went with you guys today yeah. he'll tell you the story he told my.

Minister that he went away for nine. years oh he was incarcerated yeah for. Rico and for a couple attempted murders. and then he he came out and he found. the Lord. and uh we reconnected so I took and he's. got his own little Ministry thing on the. internet he does really what's it called. Mel chances yeah melchan she's John 3 16. devotional okay is that the name of. above John 3 16 devotion I have to check. him out is he pretty cool. oh you're digging bro he's straight man. he's really cool well it's interesting.

because a lot of you a lot of. some of them were almost like pastors to. us as kids they were you know it was. like it's where you got your message of. hope you know I think that's a lot of. what faith is for people I know it is. for me you know it's like where do I get. a message for hope you know and. um and yeah sometimes just hearing like. yeah somebody like you can do it you. know like take your vitamins say your. prayer you know like or just anything. that inspires like where do you find. your hope as you go along through life.

you know and a lot of times for when we. were kids it was I mean wrestling is. really what hit me first. um it was probably my most favorite. sport until I started watching UFC yeah. um yeah which I really love you know UFC. is awesome do you ever watch any of that. yeah yeah there was there's an. opportunity to buy it a long time ago. and since I passed on it you know it was. uh before the referee stopped things. yeah and they were kicking people when. they were on the ground and it just was. so violent when it was brought to us we. went.

and uh. that was a huge mistake. but yeah no it's uh. yeah so many guys you know that I know. you know finally start believing more in. the Unseen than the scene and they and. they kind of like figured this life out. you know yeah hopefully not too late but. uh it's pretty amazing once you kind of. figure it out yeah. well it's nice to not feel alone I think. you know I think a lot of people are. looking for that these days you know I. wonder like societally have we taken.

like I wonder if our society will look. back and be like what a weird detour we. took like thinking that we could find. happiness in so many different things. you know I don't know I like thinking. about that stuff sometimes no it's. pretty crazy man a lot of people just. in this human Incarnation bro they're. just all about materialistic stuff you. know yeah and uh. as soon as they have a glitch with their. health or something they change it right. away yeah you know oh definitely you'll. start drawing pictures of the Lord. immediately huge yeah man I'll get a. couple bag and one bad blood test dude.

and I'm on you know I'm on bible.org or. whatever there you go. um. what um do you guys take any vacations. you and your lady have a vacation plan. for the summer we don't have one yet I. guess you live in a vacation yeah we do. we don't have one yet we're talking. about. going some places last year on her. birthday we were gonna go to Miami but I. was sick as a dog or something but you. know we've got uh we're planting some. stuff now things are kind of. straightened out it's been a really busy.

year this last year has it been yeah. it's been crazy man. decided to go back to work again. are you but you're gonna wrestle again. no no no no but I mean business-wise. okay understood I mean nothing no. disrespect to Bo and Darren Prince and. stuff but they can they can tell you you. know or anybody that you know. they called me for stuff all the time. and I think in the last couple years. I've made just like one appearance yeah. maybe maybe one but you know I did one. this year already.

but that for years and years they'd call. me to do stuff and you know don't just. wasn't interested well I once I shut. down I shut down brother you know yeah. because this I'm I'm like a beach bum. you know I'm not really into it good for. you you know so I mean it's kind of like. I've turned down a bunch of movies a. whole bunch of movies whole bunch of. TV I mean you know T I get calls all the. time yeah TV yeah because you know with. the content I have now with the bar in. the restaurant the retail store here in. the retail store in Orlando my son's. back here and my daughter's here and my.

new baby here's got three kids and and. there's there's all kind of content bro. and everybody's banging me all the time. to do reality shows and stuff and I'm. just like. I just shut it all down and even with. appearances and autograph sessions you. know I mean I use vo and Prince. marketing you know when I do do stuff. and. you know sometimes the WWE will call me. to do stuff and I'll just come on I. still work for him you know and you know. I'll kind of pass on that and or I'll do. it you know it just depends on.

what the weather's like you know yeah. out back. oh yeah but no no I got in business with. Tyson and uh all these guys to you know. for this whole Wellness thing that we. we're moving forward on you guys have a. CBD line is that right we do we do when. does it come out Bo help me. August okay yeah and this is some of the. packaging stuff man you know oh sweet. let me see yeah so it's uh we're going. for uh. oh nice is a vape yeah. yeah we're going for the whole Wellness.

aspect of it because after yeah boy. after being in so much yeah what is you. gonna do yeah sorry what if it meant. what if every time I hit it it made it. so that's how I talked bro it would work. that would be awesome it would work dude. this is a Vibe man yeah because the the. ones they have are so generic I've Vaped. on and off for about a year and a half. so yeah I've been at the bottom of one. of these boy I've been through. it all. no I can't even sleep. yeah this thing will make you.

drive all night. you're too much man so if it's Wellness. like what type of stuff so CBD yeah well. we got CBD for you know energy and for. sleep and we're also going down the THC. Road okay yeah because there's so many. people. that got hooked on prescription pain. pills and prescription drugs and. different drugs to sleep you know. halcyons and Xanax that you know it. seems like you know going down down that. road with the THC is an option for. people safe healthier option you know.

yeah and so you know I partnered with. and you know and what I didn't. understand at the time is to sell the. THC you know you have to partner with. somebody from the same state starting. yeah I didn't know that you know so if. you're in Michigan you got to partner. with a grower in Michigan so in Florida. we partnered with sunburn and they've. got 150 dispensaries around the state. and we start August 1st with them so I'm. really excited because you know it's. kind of like a it's a gradual transition.

it's a way to back out slowly. uh from you know stuff that can be. really addictive yeah which is the perks. the pain pills whatever else you know. people you know numb themself with the. alcohol and everything else so I just. think it's a more realistic way to wind. down and get healthier so I'm on the. team man I'm really excited about it and. will it will you be like featured on. their products is it like Hulk's meta is. it like a yeah it's going to be Hulk's. uh. Hulk's uh products yeah okay and then.

we're gonna going to uh with the Delta. eight and a couple things we came up. with a. a kind of cool little thing like kind of. like an inside joke that you know when I. was the bad guy Hollywood Hogan we were. always riding dirty yeah we always had. beer in the car we were partying in the. car I mean National doing all kind of. crazy stuff so when you go with. Hollywood Hogan you know and you're. gonna go ride dirty we're gonna have. something called the mustache rides oh. yeah absolutely ride dirty get a.

mustache ride with Hollywood I've given. a call I think I've given a couple I. don't even know what it is I have to. Google it need to grow the mustache bro. okay well yeah those are lip rods oh. yeah there we go yeah those are lip. fries too yeah those are front teeth. rods some of them I'm really I'm pretty. uncoordinated so. um that's awesome though congrats man. yeah so it should be interesting to see. uh you know how my brand performs yeah. Arena well I'm sure look and anything. you've gotten into you've performed well. so I'm sure this shouldn't be different. yeah what makes sense you know it's a.

it's a logical extension of where I'm. going and where I've already been so. just the whole thing makes sense at this. point you know everybody's kind of aware. on how much this will help you know. certain individuals and get some healing. yeah thank god brother thank God but. yeah I love them uh but that's nice you. have your whole family here now yeah. yeah your whole family's in town Nick. moved back yeah and he helps me a lot. well he's real good on the stick man he. runs Monday nights for us I don't know. if you're around tomorrow uh I might. actually be staying till Tuesday so if I.

do you have to come to my bar tomorrow. night. okay it is insanity really it is insane. what goes on in there I mean karaoke is. unbelievable isn't it well. my partner said karaoke wouldn't work I. said that depends on who's doing it bro. yeah you know so it gets really sick. over there and yeah they got some real. singers in this town huh well it's. either really good or it's really bad oh. yeah it's not in between so yeah but if.

you're around please come over man yeah. maybe I will because I think I'm gonna. stable I was gonna go maybe right across. the street yesterday no we're staying in. uh we got shows in Tampa one more. tonight okay. but I wanted to come to the beach. tomorrow so maybe I would make that work. and I wouldn't leave till Tuesday. no that'd be cool yeah. who's somebody that you missed wrestling. or just spending time with like who's. somebody that like that you miss. well I mean across the street there used. to be right where my restaurant's out. across the street that Plaza right next.

door to it there used to be a gym. upstairs and The Bushwackers had a gym. up there oh really so for a long time. the Russells would come there and then. right down the street there was a. World's Gym. and during the 80s and 90s every morning. there would be like 30 or 40 wrestlers. in there wow and they all lived up and. down the beach you know I'd bring them. here to hang out for a couple days next. year I knew they'd move it was like. crazy you know and then the whole. wrestling was based out of here for a. long time yeah all the travel from. Connecticut everybody's flying out of. Tampa it was like crazy to go to Tampa.

Airport unless you see 20 or 30 guys on. the same plane you know wow but my guys. that were here all the time that I. really missed was Randy the Macho Man we. were together every single day were. y'all really yeah every day man and it's. kind of like I miss him a lot you know. and so I spent years and years and years. with him and he used to babysit my kids. for me he did yeah or him and Elizabeth. yeah but uh something not just Randy him. and Liz but yeah and the other the other.

brother that I missed was one of the. Road Warriors Hawk oh yeah I introduced. him to his wife here you know she was a. was Hawk the longer hair he had that no. he had the two yeah and he well yeah. well they both were the spikes yeah God. they were good man yeah and and so Hawk. was a Minnesota boy and when I was in. Minnesota. you know I used to train at a gym with. Brad Riggins the the head Olympic coach. and Brock Lesnar used to come down and. work out with us back in the day and. another guy named Kevin Kelly who was a.

real tough kid man and so I would tell. those guys I'd tell Lesnar I tell Kevin. Kelly look bro I'm the main event guy. yeah Brad Riggins the Olympic coach he's. in the preliminary match so you guys. beat him you can try me you know so Brad. saved me from these guys right you know. but I used to watch Brad torture him you. know it was great so wow yeah so Hawk. was up there in Minnesota when I was. training up there he was just some high. school kid in the gym. him and him and animal you know they. watch us like Hawks and watch us like. Hawks next thing I knew I come back like.

two years later and go to that gym and. they're jacked up they've each gained. 100 pounds I was like holy crap yeah you. know we're gonna be wrestlers I said. good luck don't touch me you know and. they went down to Atlanta and broke in. and they had a good gimmick you know a. road warrior thing work but Hawk moved. down here I introduced him to his wife. she was an aerobic instruction I said. I'm gonna introduce you to her then I'm. out yeah because she's a wild one okay. yeah and so no matter what happens. yeah we're cool because I got nothing to. do with what's going on you want to meet.

her here she is Dale here's Hawk they. ended up getting married you know ah and. so he was always here and I missed. seeing him a lot you know because I hung. out with him a lot and he they moved. away. he died oh he passed away I didn't know. that he overdosed yeah oh and she's. still around the neighborhood somewhere. I haven't seen her forever and then. another one of the guys that I traveled. with for four years on the road Brutus. Beefcake yeah him and I had a fallen out. the barber huh was he a real bar. somebody said he went to he didn't. really go to Redken or something or was.

it he wasn't a real Barber and we had a. little bit of a falling out and so we we. don't even talk anymore you know I mean. we don't there's no nothing to talk. about yeah. you think you'll ever patch that up. um it's got a lot to do with the ladies. married too you know oh it does yeah. nothing really to do with him yeah so um. what was the draw you know what was uh. yeah this is one thing the last thing I. was about what was the steroid use like.

because I used steroids when I was in. high school you know we would get test. 200 or 400 I don't know somebody made us. I think made us some 700 one time. um One Time We snuck it back from Mexico. like shampoo bottles and stuff so it had. like we'd have like soap like we'd it. would be like soap in it but we were. using it you know was it pretty heck was. it pretty just a normal thing that. people were using. yeah I mean you know it's like uh I. think it was 1990 it became illegal.

it was legal before that oh yeah you'd. go to the doctor and get a prescription. for it oh wow you know that was another. thing the guys had a problem with they. would take so much of it they would ramp. their system I think they stressed their. system their hearts out I don't know if. anybody ever really died from just. steroids but if you had the steroids or. the Somas and the perks and the alcohol. and the coke okay. you're gonna create a fire you know yeah. so for me you know up until the 90s I. was always street legal I mean if I had.

a bottle of deca or a bottle of test on. me it was a prescription from the doctor. and it was legal oh so the doctors used. to prescribe it oh God yes my levels. checked everything wow to make sure I. didn't right you were able to use it as. safely as possible yeah because when you. turn 30 that's the peak of your. biological clock and then from that. point on it's down oh you know so. I'm gonna hold you up I'm 43 man you're. on the way down man so there's a. bunch of good HRT doctors around hormone. replacement doctors that can hook you up. I know I've thought about that I don't.

want to lose my hair though that's the. scary part you know you won't lose your. hair you don't think. maybe I'll start looking into that yeah. but anyway back long story short about. 1990 and before then everybody I knew. because I knew a lot of baseball players. I knew a whole lot of football players I. knew a lot of hockey players all. professional guys they all use steroids. [Music]. there was only one guy I actually knew. that didn't use him that was Bob. Backlund you know Bob Backlund yeah he. was a champion before I came along and.

okay red-haired I've heard of him yeah. so anyway. but everybody I knew dabbled in it and. even if they said they didn't they did. believe me and so at the end of the day. when it became illegal we kept joking up. you know because we were out cheering. biceps like this that wouldn't get fixed. and muscle tears everywhere your thumb. gets broken and the Philadelphia. Spectrum at one o'clock you go to. Russell Madison Square Garden that night. you don't want 10 weeks it's got to be. healed in six weeks yeah so we just. never really stopped and then.

Vince McMahon was on his you know major. role with this company doing great in. the federal government targeted him you. know so we had to clean things up well. well yeah eventually they targeted him. and they drugged the poster boy in he. almost gonna go for events let's get. Hogan and so we had a a rough go of it. for a few years with the federal. government Vince wants trial and all the. stuff they said he did he didn't do you. know he didn't distribute it he didn't. sell it yeah you know I mean you just he.

did it on your own. I'm not going to get it from my boss. yeah so that that's what they're trying. to paint him in the corner it wasn't. true. and they tried to get me to testify. otherwise wow you know which I said I. would and then when I got on the witness. day I told the truth and made a quick. exit and didn't go back to New York for. five years really oh yeah because that's. where the feds were because that's where. events they're trying to prosecute him. out of Brooklyn wow so when I went to. work for Ted Turner I couldn't even. wrestle anywhere in New York for five. years so they thought you were gonna rat.

on him yeah and you just said he didn't. do it well I became a government witness. wow because to avoid prosecution you. know because they were they were going. to get somebody and they were going for. events and then if they weren't going. for events they pulled me aside and. actually told me what was going to. happen to me if I didn't say this I went. I didn't know that no problem no problem. brother you got it. so when I got on the uh Litton stand. there in Brooklyn.

um I had a weird jet waiting to the. airport airport I had Alex isaacman one. of my attorneys that handled Larry Flynn. the Larry Flint trial and another. attorney Henry Holmes with me and when I. got off that witness stand I didn't even. go sit in the courtroom I went out the. side door yeah got in the car I went to. Tito airport and didn't come back for. five years. until the three three prosecutors uh. Charlie Rose or either Charlie Rose of. Sean would say one of them got busted. with a bunch of kilos of coke and then. the other one died of cancer I can't.

remember who was who but the third guy. that had the FBI flag him and I became. good friends oh really yeah so once that. was over then I went back to New York. yeah you know but yeah it was it was a. it was a crazy run they were just trying. to Target Vincent. trying to you know do what the. government always does to people you. know oh yeah and he just basically. didn't do anything they said he did and. he was. not that guy yeah. did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson. yes yeah. I was asked to get off a Disney bus.

because of him no way why because what. happened well they have these little. little buses they'll Park tourists. around on it uh at Disney yeah oh yeah. like little trolleys is what you look. like. and but not the carts that are hooked. together it actually looks like a little. mini bus a little red trolley okay and. so all of a sudden. um. I was sitting there with my family uh my. first wife and my two kids watching the. fireworks at Disney and all of a sudden. security guards come and go well you.

need to scoot down you need to move the. far side of the cart and move the far. side of the cart and then Michael. Jackson came in. and uh he's by himself he's by himself. with a with a couple security guards and. he came over he goes I'm very sorry. about them making you move and I said. it's okay brother not a big deal man. it's all cool I guess you know it was. him oh yeah yeah and so I really didn't. talk to him other than that say it was. cool that's the only time I've met him. was when they made us move down and get. out of his way you know I don't think. they want us to look at looking at him.

or anything but he came down and. apologize oh he did yeah did he look. like a little or did he seem like kind. of not I did what did he seem like I. don't know I was just sitting down he. just he looks like he does on TV to me. you know he had the black hat on. and uh wow he's all covered up and had. the glove this thing glued on because he. was like I mean it was that must have. been interesting for you to see yeah. right my daughter Brooke was flipping. yeah she was like seven or eight years. old I can't remember but yeah but that's. the only time I've ever met him he just. was real polite but the security guards.

are Pricks yeah but I understand why. they had to do it I get it yeah yeah. he's probably paying him a lot yeah plus. say he didn't want his picture taken and. didn't want to be asked for autographs. so I get it yeah and what about Michael. Landon do you ever meet him no I didn't. why would you bring that up I love. Michael Landon so do I yeah really a. little joke oh dude he was my favorite. Highway to Heaven even that show Little. House on the Prairie I love Michael. Landon I was more of a bonanza guy I. respect that yeah you seem like a little.

more Bonanza but. um yeah I love Michael Landon man that's. cool there was just something about I. just yeah I don't know he played like. that father like the hero you know he. was like. I mean you probably looked at him the. way we looked at you you know it was. like man that guy not really I was. looking more like a Haas oh yeah yeah. maybe not. but that's that's great but yeah Hulk. it's nice to meet you man and it's an. honor and thank you so much for just. being a great Entertainer all these. years man well I'm glad you're a fan I.

had no idea oh yeah man I have no idea. we needed you dude we I don't. even know our TV we would. balance the on the back and we. would hold each other's eyes. open like don't you miss this. boy and we would miss it dude. sometimes but sometimes we wouldn't man. when Gene okerlin would be on there God. and we were ready boy we would. weird tuxedo we didn't have tuxedos but. we had like these like we would cut us. black sweatshirts with like the white. shirt on remember 10 like we were the. guys you know yeah he was my guy Gino.

and I I brought him from Minnesota with. me yeah because I was in Minnesota and. met him there the Baja and then when I. went back to uh New York. when they wanted me to come back and do. this crazy International thing with. Vince Jr I brought Mean Gene with me. he's my guy yeah he seemed like a cool. guy to have around yeah and was he just. a little bitty guy yeah he was a little. bit when I moved to Minnesota I was. single. I had an apartment behind the med center. where the Mall of America's there was a. place called The Met Center there and.

there were the visaya apartments behind. there and that's where all the Northwest. stewardess lives right oh yeah I mean. Gene came over one time and he was. married he wouldn't go home he stayed in. my apartment for like a year and a half. and said dude aren't you ever gonna go. home he wouldn't leave he just stayed. there and lived with me I said okay fine. whatever. you know he just wouldn't go home he's. just interviewing stewardesses hey. Claire you're headed to work today he. was brutal man that's fun did you see. Prince over there in town yes God yes.

yeah I used to go down and play at a bar. called The Caboose. um there was another bar that they was. at the bar he played at all the time. yeah downtown Minnesota okay Minneapolis. and then I played at boys in the river. all the time there's a band called. fragile there Bonkers is a place where. you see uh are you familiar with. Minnesota yeah some we used to go was. that bar place we went to bonkers. Boyd's on the river I can't remember. Burnsville Bowl any of these places I. mean I'm talking in the 80s okay but. they had real pimps I'm at my first real.

pimp in Minnesota yeah oh no doubt yeah. but right on Hennepin Avenue where Moby. Dicks was there was a bar called The. Caboose and I used to always go in there. you know after I wrestled or whatever. since I was single I didn't have. anything to do so I just go down there. and drink beer and play guitar all night. with all these bands. and you know I was fresh off planes so I. could still play yeah you know like my. fingers hadn't been broken and screwed. up and so many times so I could still. play pretty well. so I'd go down there and I always go. into Princess Club you know First Avenue. there and the first day I went in there.

he walked on stage and started playing. wow you know the very first time I saw. it walked in the place and so you know. that got me coming back a lot yeah you. know and I only saw him two more times. there but uh he would come in there and. just play like for three hours because. it was his Club yeah and we just sit. there and listen to him and it was it. was amazing to watch him you know I met. him one time said hello to him it was. just a brief passing he goes yeah I'm a. wrestling fan so thank you man cool. yeah I just never sat and talked with. him or anything hmm pretty magnificent.

though. just even see him you know yeah it was. cool man he was cool but you know I just. uh really dug his music man oh yeah man. yo yeah he could do it. you could do it man thank you for all. the music you put out in the world you. know it's all good Brothers we're not. done yet no no yeah yeah and you're not. I mean it didn't mean to make it seem. like that but thank you still here for a. reason I just haven't figured it out yet. well we're glad you are and uh thanks. for all you've done so far man oh thank. you very cool it's been awesome to.

witness and to be a fan of thank you. brother very cool. feel I'm falling like these leaves I. must be. Cornerstone. oh but when I reach that ground I'll. share this piece of mind I found I can. feel. it in my bones. [Music].