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pre-sale tickets are available uh. busoysmmov.com. Um I'm excited. Thank you. Today's guest is a physician. He's a. cardiologist. He's an author. He's a. professor. He was the vice chief of. internal medicine at Baylor University. Medical Center. He later became known. for his investigations into the CO 19. response here in America. Uh we're. looking forward to spending time with. today's guest, Dr. Peter McCulla.

>> And I will find a song I've been singing. upstairs. >> And you can move this any way you want. If you decide you're end up moving over. here, you can just move the mic over. there. >> I don't have the type of voice you have. Get that D voice. >> We'll make sure. We'll let you know if. it's off. >> Okay. >> Yeah. You kind of that whisperer, huh, >> man? Well,

>> you like to whisper. >> I was recently in the UK and this woman. who's an actress and got up and everyone. was shouting at the microphone, making. their things, myself included, she she. got up and she started whispering and. everyone paid attention. [laughter]. >> Yeah. That's a whisper and that's what I. It's a lost art. >> Yeah. But really the value when. everything is so high, you have to think. that if you come in at another. inonation, if you come in at another. level, you have to find an alternate. route into people's brains and hearts. and stuff. And yeah, whispering. Gosh,

if we had just like whisper Tuesdays. where everybody just whispered. >> There was a doctor at Stanford back when. I was, you know, accepted in academia. His name was Glenn Chertow. And uh when. he spoke, it was so careful. And he. talked like this. And I remember the. sponsors of a big meeting. I was at the. National Institutes of Health. I said, "What is it about Glenn Chel? He seems. to be getting all the attention." They.

said, "He appears wise. >> He has the appearance of wisdom. The way. he speaks. He may not be wise, but he. appears wise." The other thing that. helps you that you and I don't have Oh, they brought him up. There's Glenn right. there. >> There he is. Beautiful. >> Yeah. Good, good, good. Are we going to. bring people thing up on the screen? >> We can. >> Oh, this is going to be so much fun. >> Oh, yeah. >> But, uh, anyhow, um, the one thing that. my my, uh, uncle Ivan taught me is that.

you can double your perceived. intelligence with a British accent. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. You get a British accent, they. think you're twice as smart as you used. to. True. >> Twice as smart. >> I feel like, oh, if I meet a British. girl, I'm like, oh, tell me everything. I feel like they just know everything. >> Yes. And. >> read me a book, Mom. >> Have you ever read that book? Uh, culture code. >> Ah, culture code. No, >> it's about what's your first in. impression. And he did focus groups. It's very scientifically very solid. He. said, when you meet a British person,

what's the first word that comes into. your mind? >> Good. Eh, >> oh, that's Australian. Oh. Um, >> you you you almost got it with that. girl. Classy. >> Classy. So if you're going to advertise. something to the if you're going to. British, you have to show somebody. playing polo and it has to be classic. >> Yes. Just finishing a biscuit, you know, >> right? So how about how about Italian? What's the first thing you think about. when you see. >> Hey, you know. >> the Italian first thing the cultural. code says uh artiste. So you have to.

Michelangelo, you have to portray things. artistic, what have you. >> Um how about American? Now if you just. do do this globally when you uh. >> like a belch kind of. >> oh close uh America they uh the. conclusion is out of this world where so. you want to advertise an American like. you know landing on the moon or just. doing something completely you know Elon. Musk you know just jetting somewhere you. know. >> yeah just knocking up people and just.

blasting rockets into people and into. space. So, culture code is a code of. advertising and what he said is if you. break the code, if you try to advertise. something that goes against what people. are thinking, your product is going to. bomb out. >> So, uh what's the uh what's the culture. code word for nurse? Nurse, what's the first thing comes to. mind? Don't. >> helpful. >> Close mother. So, you always want to. show a nurse holding a baby. Uh what.

what's the culture code for doctor. >> information. >> hero. >> hero. >> hero you know hero going to save your. life what this is culture co was written. I think in the 80s or 90s. >> probably changed well here's another one. fits for co. >> what what's the first thing that comes. to your mind you think of hospital. [snorts]. >> safety. >> death trap. >> death trap and he interviewed.

Hundreds and hundreds of people did. these focus groups. >> Culture Code. >> Culture Code. It's a it's a great book. It's a quick read and and in your. business um you'd want to. you'd want to I guess kind of be in tune. with the code. >> Yeah. I think there's some codes that. you pick up on people they don't. realize, you know. Um but yeah, no I I I. think that's interesting just people. that are able to examine that like how. people operate and how we perceive. certain things. Um.

>> and you're a guy that's kind of like uh. I guess you the way you've operated has. kind of changed over the past few years. maybe. I know it's certainly. >> like grown in perception like your. ability to reach people has grown. Yes. Um you are a physician scientist. Is. that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. And what exactly does that term. mean? >> That means I practice medicine. Um, and you know, I see and examine patients. every day, board certified in internal. medicine and cardiology by the National. Board of Physician and Surgeons.

>> So, also a cardiologist. >> And a cardiologist, but I'm also a. scientist, meaning I I evaluate. uh. new concepts. I uh develop hypotheses. is I use the scientific method and I you. know conduct studies, case reviews, literature reviews, uh analyze data,

formulate an analysis. and then come up with opinions and and. through that method I'm one of the most. published. doctors in the world and certainly the. most published in my field previously. which which was heart and kidney. disease. So, um, you know, I came into the. pandemic locked and loaded in 2007. I. had, uh, uh, testified before the, uh, Congressional Oversight Panel for the. FDA. Uh, I had lectured at the European.

Medicine Association, New York Academy. of Sciences, uh, le lectured widely at. virtually every major medical school in. the United States, uh, published seinal. papers. But when the pandemic hit, what. I saw within the first few months is no. one was going to the problem. >> No one was uh you know when there's a. fire or a catastrophe. a and let's say 9/11 and the the.

building is burning, most people ran. this way. But some of these first. responders, they ran right into it. >> Amen. I I found myself in the same mode. at first few weeks. I said, 'Well, surely Harvard will tell us what to do. or the Mayo Clinic or. maybe the US government. Usually the. government on medical things is a. lagard. >> They're not a leader. >> So if we had a new cancer problem, we.

wouldn't say, well, what does the. government say? you know, the government is is behind. academia. >> Got it. >> Within a few months of being into the. pandemic, I I I said, "Listen, uh you. know, I need to do my part. I know other. doctors in the hospital doing their. part." And uh I devised the first. treatment protocol of how to treat. high-risisk patients. We're talking. elderly patients, patients with a heart. disease, lung disease, kidney disease,

uh, at home with very intensive. therapies and oxygen at home to avoid. two bad outcomes, hospitalization and. death. And that became copyrighted as. the McCulla protocols published in the. American Journal of Medicine in 2020. Immediately I was called before the US. Senate. I appeared November 19th, 2020. And uh so. the association of American physician. and surgeons a leading doctor's group. did pick up the McCulla protocol. It.

became uh standard of care. >> and uh the principles were used. >> became standard of care when because it. was. >> no it became early standard of care in. 2020 for high-risisk patients. We. immediately organized tele medicine. units and and you know it was the. McCulla protocol that kept the. hospitalizations down. Remember there. were projections that we were going to. overrun our hospitals. >> Oh yeah. They were like emailing people. like do you have a place we can put. bodies at your house or whatever. >> I had patients in their 90s with. pacemakers and heart failure and we got.

going early with the makulla protocol. We start with getting fresh air nasal. sprays and gargles neutrauticals. Uh they all played small roles. Uh. initially the first year we use. hydroxycloricquin as our antiviral and. antibiotics and other drugs. Second year. Ivormectin and then third year we. actually used Pexlovid came in in the. third year mulner we used those drugs. but I have to tell you the winner was. Ivormectin for sure for sure but but I. think cortical steroids predinisone. played a huge role um anti-inflammatory.

drug called cultine we use widely today. uh and uh and then anti-thrombotics. >> what was the makulla protocol like what. what went into it like what were you. basically advocating for people. >> I was saying that. if we got behind on this illness, it was. becoming clear we can't start treating. when people are sick enough to go in the. hospital. They were virtually every. death occurred in the hospital. So. McCull protocol said there's two bad.

outcomes, hospitalization and death. And. if we can treat upfront and never go in. the hospital, we'll get through the. illness. Now, I did an artificial. intelligence search recently, which is a. great use of AI. And I asked AI, tell me. what percent of the world's population. contracted COVID. And it searched every single database. and what have you. And you know, the. number it came up with was 90%. >> Wow. Now, the pre-programmed bias that's. still left in uh AI.

is promotional of pandemic fear, which. you're still at risk, promoting vaccines. and. doing everything it can to tell people. they have no other options, >> right? >> It's pre-programmed. So, if you go to. Grock, >> is that true? >> That's true. Let me give you an example. Okay. >> If you go to Grock and you say, "Who's. Dr. Peter McCulla?" It'll say, "Well, Dr. McCulla is a cardiologist." And and. it'll go on and on. It'll say, "But he's.

a conspiracy theorist and he was lost. his board certifications." It'll start. saying all these things. I said, "Listen, just say who it is. Don't put. in any defamatory comments. Just give. the straight facts." Then it'll actually. give a straight answer. >> So Grock will tell you, "I'm the most. published person on the pandemic, period, in the world.". >> Okay? and you know and so if you. actually tell Grock stop all the BS. it'll do it with Alter AI you don't have. to do that so at I at McCulla Foundation.

I started the foundation we formed a. relationship with Alter AI and we uh pay. for it and and uh we get a we get a. clean feed but I think even co-pilot. will come up with um. >> formerly practicing no I'm in practice I. just saw patients yesterday I mean look. at it's just it just goes on and on. >> Dr. Peter Mcola uh yeah formerly. practicing as a cardiologist and. internist. >> wrong. >> um. >> because I'm practicing today. >> he is highly published in medical. literature over a thousand publications.

cited tens of thousands of times became. widely known during the co9 pandemic for. his early advocacy of outpatient. treatment protocols. >> um including controversial early use. approaches and for his strong public. criticisms of co 19 vaccines. >> um yeah. >> okay well. >> this seems. >> it's getting there you thing about. artificial intelligence which I think is. a huge advance by the way I'm using it. in my practice every day now huge. advance. >> one more thing here his views on co 19. vaccines and related topics have been.

heavily criticized by mainstream medical. organizations fact checkers and sources. like fact check.org which describe many. of his claims as misinformation or. unsupported. >> do you know not a single medical. organization has reached out to me even. for a discussion. and you know fact check.org Oregon. That's not a medical organization. >> No idea what that is. >> So the idea is uh let's say a medical. organization said let's have a. discussion about uh COVID vaccine.

complications. Not a single one. There. hasn't been a single medical school in. the United States that's even had a. grand rounds on this, let alone invite. me to present grand rounds. >> Why do you think that is that that they. haven't uh reached out to you to have a. conversation? >> They haven't reached out to anybody. >> Okay. There is a tremendous. willful blindness to what's gone on. through the pandemic. There has been no. review of lessons learned. What did we.

learn from the pandemic? >> I agree. It's it's so wild how so much. information was every day. It was this, this, go here, get a booster. If you. can't like get a vaccine, like hang your. family member out of a window. We'll. have an archer come by with a vaccine. like from Fizer. Yeah. we can, you know, we'll vaccine them from the road or. whatever. It's like it was getting. crazy. But yeah, it's kind of wild how. afterwards there hasn't been as much. like, hey, these are the things we. learned. This is like what we've learned. as a society. >> Well, it we're told over and over again,

there's going to be another one. It's. called Disease X. It's going to come out. of another bolab. It's going to come out of Miami, I'll tell you that. >> So, uh, or Galveastston, Texas. They got a. BSL4 lab there. >> Do they? I don't know. BBLs over in Miami though. I know that. >> No, it's it's it's dealing with some bad. stuff down there. >> Okay, Mark, I want to go back and talk. about that in a second. Wait, so this is. it right here. Defining disease. >> Well, look at Bloomberg School of Public. Health. Who's the major funer of. Bloomberg School of Public Health? Bill.

Gates. >> Wow. >> This is a dream. This is a dream of. those who want to vaccinate the world is. they want another disease X. >> Of course, it's another industrial war. complex. That's what this is. >> Well, you got it. But it's on your. bodies. I do want to say this and Bill. might just be trying to solve whatever. he was potentially giving his wife. I. don't know. That's allegedly. But I will. say this. I I want to read this right. here because you mentioned it. Disease. X. I haven't heard about it. Since 2018, the mysterious and often misrepresented. hypothetical pathogen has been at the.

heart of international pandemic. preparedness efforts. Just that sentence. alone, when you look at that sentence, look how look how frontloaded. and vague it is. Since 2018, this. mysterious, often misrepresented, hypothetical pathogen has been at the. heart of international pandemic. preparedness efforts. Like we're so. prepared for we don't even for something. that's super vague. It's just like you. can feel it setting you up for. something. >> Well, let's go to SEPY, the Coalition.

for Epidemic Preparedness and. Innovation. It's founded in 2017 by the. World Economic Forum and Bill Gates and. SEPY in its business plan in 2017 says. there's going to be a series of these. pandemics one after another coming in. like hurricanes and for each one there. will be only one solution mass. vaccination and SEPY is a vaccine. incubator. They're going to be ready. Let me tell you, vaccines in pandemics.

is big business. >> Yeah. >> Way more than pro sports. Way more than. anything else you can think of. It's. huge business. And in this world of we. don't hear about uh uh other forms in. this industrial complex now, other. things now outside of biological threats. and then counter measures which is a. military term which are vaccines, therapeutics and protective equipment. But the idea is these are so richly.

funded. They're so richly funded that. the the entity that holds the threat and. holds the antidote, they hold power. Can. you imagine the negotiating power you. would have if you said, "Hey, listen. I. got COVID 20 locked and loaded right now. at an undisclosed location can get the. whole country sick. We want a little. better tariff situation." Can you. imagine the negotiating power that. people and Peter Dic who's part of this.

whole conspiracy to create SARS Kovv2. when he testified in the House of. Representatives he said I left a whole. bunch of samples back in Wuhan. >> this way I'm confused what was he doing. there. >> Peter Dick was the gobetween between Dr. Ralph Bareric at University of North. Carolina Chapel Hill who devised the. virus and was publishing on it and the. federal government. DAC was at the Eco. Health Alliance. It's a go-between. organization that was shuttling money.

for barracks projects over to Wuhan. DAC. had been to Wuhan many many times. He. knew that lab well. >> to create the virus. You mean. >> correct? >> Understood. Okay, let's back up one. second. I just want to look at SEPY. Who. created SEPY? Bring that back up. SEPY. was a World Economic Forum and the Gates. Foundation. You'll find I think the. government of Germany and India, I. believe, was involved as well. But this. is a richly funded multi-billion dollar. organization. You just can't imagine how. big these these. >> Oh, I can totally, you know, you look at.

the industrial war complex and now you. start to see it's the industrial uh. medical complex, right? That's the new. one that really seems like it sprouted. over the past 20 years. >> Correct. >> Right here. SEPY is the Coalition for. Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, a. global organization focused on. accelerating vaccine uh. >> vaccine development. >> Okay. Sorry. It was created in 2017. through a partnership between the. governments of Norway and India, the. Welcome Trust and the Bill and Melinda. Gates Foundation. >> Yep. >> And go back to disease X. I want to just.

read what it was really quick. Um. >> by the way, Sep's got a big disease X. section. They have a whole white paper. on it. Wow. Disease X is a placeholder. concept that refers to a pandemic. pathogen that has not yet been. characterized. How vague is that? Like, hey, it's it exists, but we don't know. what it is exactly yet, >> but we have a vaccine for it. >> Its purpose is to encourage proactive. thinking about pathogens that could. cause a pandemic.

Oh, so disease X isn't an actual. disease. It's a plan. >> It's a plan for a disease. So disease. acts. was SARS Kovv2. It was a planned. disease. >> Got it. >> And here we are. It was a plan. And you. know in my first book uh courage to face. CO 19 we expose SEPY and what we call a. biofarmaceutical complex. You called it. a bio-industrial complex. Same thing. But there has been uh a a cartel that's.

formed. It's very powerful and it's got. it probably back 2004 is probably when. it started with the bioshield act but it. includes the world health organization. world economic forum gates foundation. welcome trust the Rockefeller Foundation. SEPY Gabby Unit all these organizations. all organized. to essentially.

plan for create pandemics and then. respond to them and that's how CO 19. ultimately it's essentially known now. This was not a spontaneous thing from. nature. This was planned. >> What's the number one piece of evidence. that makes you feel like it's known that. it was planned? >> Uh well, I think the best source of all. of the evidence is Peter Ban's book CO. 19 and the global predators we are the. prey. I wrote the introduction for it. but he goes back again to about 2004 the.

bow shield act. uh where he outlines 36. pandemic preparedness planning events. 36 historically. He's got a a wonderful. timeline. And of those, two dozen. provide written documents. You can just. read them. Including one of them is the. PREP act in 2005, which says there will. be a pandemic and we will have one. 2005. that was a Bush administration. HHS.

said, "Listen, we're going to have one, and when we do, we're going to have. counter measures, and when we rule out. these counter measures, you better take. one." And there is a complete freedom of. liability, but 24 of them provide. written um evidence and then six of them. are filmed. You can just go watch him. So was he kind of a whistleblower do you. feel like or. >> he was a whistleblower back um in the. days where where essentially Prozac. wiped out you know consultative.

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be in control of your own thing. That's. shopify.com/theo. But co 19 and the global predators, it. has the best timeline. Now, Robert F. Kennedy wrote a book about the real. Anthony Fouchy. He's got a timeline in. it, too. Our book, Courage to Face CO. 19, I think outlines what who this. complex is and what they're what they're. doing. >> This medical industrial complex. >> Yeah. Who is it exactly? >> But hang on. People have said, "Well, wait a minute. It's big pharma." I.

disagree. I think the pharmaceutical. companies and the invitro diagnostic. companies and the gown and mask. companies, they're suppliers to the to. the the complex. The complex is this. organized group. that in in many ways they have. bad intentions and um look at the last. World Economic Forum meeting. They play. a big role in this. It was one of the.

speeches where they said you know COVID. 19 pandemic was a test of human. compliance. >> They just come out and say that. >> Was it just written or did someone speak. that? Someone say it. Yeah, let's pull. it up. World Economic Forum. The. pandemic was a test of human compliance. But the point I'm making is that. there's a lot of interest in this whole. field. We have uh divisions. Here we go.

Who said that? >> No. No, the World Economic Forum did not. describe the pandemic as a test of human. compliance. >> Test of social. >> social responsibility. >> Key details from that and related WF. publications include test of social. responsibility. The article explicitly. stated that CO 19 was the test of social. responsibility. Citing the fact that. people worldwide complied with the. unimaginable restrictions. Well, pretty close. >> Oh, I don't doubt that it felt certainly. like a psychological experiment. I mean,

one of the things I was going to ask you. is what do you feel like they learned. from this? like what valuable. information was taken away like whoever. these powers are that be you know. >> well I I hope that they learned. that when they have a vaccine that's an. epic failure that that's permanently. going to set back aspirations. for future worldwide vaccination. Now, if this vaccine would have worked and. everyone took it and COVID magically.

went away and just everything cleared up. in a month or two and there was nobody. was sick anymore and there was no side. effects, these guys would have been. heroes, right? Remember Bill Gates comes. out in April of 2020 and says, "This. pandemic doesn't end until virtually. every person in the world takes a. vaccine.". How does he know? It's April of 2020. Vaccines, right? Who knows what's going. to happen, >> right?

>> Yeah. If you have a strategy, then of. course that's what you're going to say. >> Well, Gates Foundation and the Bloomberg. School of Public Health in 2017 hold a. planning seminar. It's called the SPARS. pandemic. S P A R S Pandemic. It's at. Johns Hopkins. And it says there's going. to be a Corona virus pandemic. >> Yeah. in 2017. Now, they held it in. 2017. They thought it was going to hit. in 2025. >> Okay, it hits in late 2019.

>> Then, and this is one of the ones that, you know, was well documented as a. planning event. And then event 2011, come on. That's November of 2019. >> What is event 2011? >> Event 2011 was again John's Hopkins, Bloomberg School of Public Health, Gates. Foundation. They have a meeting. They. said we are really going to have a. corona virus pandemic. They bring over. George Gao who's the Chinese CDC. director and he's paired up with others. there. Averil Haynes is there. Who's.

Averil Haynes? She's a former World. Economic Forum associate becomes our. director of national intelligence under. Biden. Really? and she's with George Gao. and they're saying, "Oh, we're gonna. gonna have a COVID pandemic and this is. how it's essentially it's going to be. used to railroad mass vaccination on the. world.". >> But do you believe that everybody knew. that or do you believe that a select. group knew it and then they just because. say if I say if I have a devious plan, right, I could still go to someone and. say, "Hey, this is what's happening." I.

don't have to say I'm the one who's. causing what's happening, right? So were. there because it if the tough part is. when you start to think of like that. everybody was complicit like you know. what I'm saying that's the part that. starts to feel very impossible to. >> I don't think that's the case. I got to. tell you I was in practice then I had no. idea this was going on. Everybody I. talked to at my institutions all over. the whole country over Europe no one. knew this was happening. >> What that that a uh. >> the point is this was going on. This was. in the open.

>> Got it. >> No one was paying attention. I I bet I. bet no one uh briefed Trump that in 2017. that they're going to, you know, they. were planning for a corona virus. pandemic. I bet there wasn't any. briefing. >> But does it also make sense that as our. world evolves and as like biohacking and. like research and everything becomes so. much more intense and like medicine is. evolving all the time and science is. evolving constantly, that's just what it. does. um that there would be it would.

make some sense to strategize that. something like this could happen like. that maybe we've moved on from like. actual like like huge wars on land and. then it's going to become more like you. I remember years ago you would hear like. oh the next war is going to be in the. water or it's going to be in the air. right it's going to be a virus you would. hear stuff like that a lot like just. kind of randomly. >> oh there's movies right there's movie. Contagion and all these other movies. what um what experts will say in. infectious disease and vaccinology is.

that the reason why we have to have. biolabs is we have to get ahead of. nature, >> right? >> So nature sooner or later is going to. throw us a really bad bug and we're. susceptible to these and the the case. example they use is Spanish flu. In my. book on vaccines, we spend a lot of time. on the Spanish flu which was very unique. post World War I. We have um you know. young men in army barracks and remember.

influenza doesn't directly kill people. What kills them is a secondary staflocal. pneumonia and that's what they die of. The the point that was made though is. that listen we could have another. Spanish flu. And when when COVID 19. pandemic broke don't forget the. storyline we were told is oh here we go. again it's another Spanish flu. Now. remember, Anthony Fauci knows it came. out of the lab, but they collaborate.

together to say, you know what, it came. out of a a fish market. In fact, the WH. when it was asked to investigate early. in 2020, where did this virus come from? Rear Admiral Brett Gerard, someone who. went to my medical school in Dallas at. Southwestern. He he was on President. Trump's first task force. Brett Brett. Gerard nominates three US scientists to. go to Wuhan. The WH says, "No, no, we we.

don't want them. We want Peter Dick.". Isn't that interesting? Dic, who knew, m. fact, he was shuttling the plans over. there. So, Dac goes over to Wuhan and he. looks around. He goes, "I I don't know. where this virus came from, but it. definitely didn't come out of the lab.". He had been to the lab dozens of times. He shuttled the plans over. Anthony. Fouchy was well aware of this. They. started covering up their emails. Rand. Paul's got a great book called.

Deception. He has every single one of. these events in it. But the point I'm. making is. the those in this field keep saying, listen, there could be another Spanish. flu. We must get ahead of this. However, with the 2004 Bioshield Act and the 2005. PREP act, the government's got in the. game of bioteterrorism. >> How did those acts allow them to do. that? Well, what happened was we had the.

um anthrax scare which largely looks. like it was a uh deranged government. worker at um Fort Dietrich who was. working on the anthrax vaccine for the. military and there's been lost. enthusiasm uh for this vaccine based on. safety and so he actually sent some. letters to Ley and other people in. Congress when people got sick to this. day, not a single soldier has died of.

anthrax because an enemy shot an anthrax. capsule the other way. It's all been uh. you know these the this event by these. social events. >> Yeah. Social events. >> Yeah. >> So um. >> yeah. What happened with anthrax? >> Well, there's uh another great book uh. with um there you go. >> Letters containing anthrax fors were. mailed to several news media offices and. the senators Tom Dashel. >> and Patrick Ley. Right. killing five people infecting others. But but what I'm saying is the anthrax. scare and SARS one, the SARS one.

outbreak led to this idea that that wait. a minute. >> Well, first off, this could really. happen. So, we should be prepared. That's the reason why it's called the. PREP act. We should be prepared and our. governments should get in this game. So. the military got in the game with a unit. called DARPA, D- A RPA, and the National. Institutes of Health got in this game. with a unit called Barta, B A R DA. And.

these are pandemic preparedness units. Well, as they churned over time, there's. funding of biolabs and let's see how we. can make this organism more contagious. and would this work and let's test it. here and they got to Bareric. Bareric. got to the point of, well, let's take a. human corona virus, of which there's. four that we can get as a common cold, and let's take the spike protein, the. surface of it from a bat, and then start.

to play with this until it can lock in. with a human receptor called the A2. receptor. >> and invade humanized epithelial cells in. in animals. And when they did that in. Wuhan, it basically killed the animals. I said, "Ooh, now we've got a real we've. we've got we took something benign, which is a corona virus, and we've made. it potentially lethal." Now, in those. papers 2015, >> in what papers? >> In peer-reviewed papers 2015, um, Nature.

Communications in 2016, uh, in the. precinius of the National Academy of. Science, the first author is Menach. Cherry, M- N A C H E R Y. Those two. papers describe. primordial SARS kovv2 in 2015 2016. This. is published these are highlevel. peer-reviewed journals and the title of. the paper is a SARS like Kovi corona. virus. WIV1 Wuhan Institute of Viology 1 virus.

poised for human emergence. So here they. are in these papers and you can pull. them up. Uh poised for human emergence. So they were announcing to the world, this isn't my field. I wasn't reading. this. >> But was this a good guy saying this or. was this a bad guy saying this? >> These are the guys who were working. This paper was done the work was done in. the Wuhan Institute of Urology. >> Okay. >> They say they say it's gain of function. research, but it was grandfathered in.

because it was started before the Obama. ban on this and we took it over to. Wuhan. They thanked the Chinese for. their collaboration. Now the second. paper that came out a month later in the. precision national committee of sciences. they actually put the Chinese authors. on. So this was in many ways in the. infectious disease community in the. open. Now this paper by the way when the. US government funds work like this they. must put the genetic code of the new.

virus they created in a central datab. bank. >> Did they do that? >> No. And when Ralph Bareric was. interviewed on this in 2021, they said, "Wait a minute. Did you submit your. genetic code? Does the the the virus, does it match your code from here?" He. says, "Well, I've had a discussion with. the National Institutes of Health and we. believe it's a national security issue. and we are not going to release it.". Now, his virus didn't have in it a key. part in the spike protein called the.

furine cleavage joint. And it looks like. that was the final thing that was added. later. >> Understood. We hear about spike proteins. a lot. What is that? >> The spike protein is a spike or this. projection on the surface of the virus. The ball of the virus is called the. nucleio capsid. The red part shown there. is the spike protein. >> Okay. >> The ball itself is benign. That that's. not going to kill you. The all the. lethality in SARS KV2. What killed. people and some people truly did die of. this was the spike protein. The spike.

protein allows the virus to inject. itself in the body. We sacrifice the. part of the spike protein near the ball. The S2 is sacrificed and S1 goes into. the body. Now that's with the infection. The vaccines Fiser and Madna are the. genetic code for the full spike protein. So you take one of those vaccines now. the genetic code is producing the full. length spike protein in the human body. Was there a moment, do you think, when.

they plan to unleash the virus or did it. just naturally sort of enter society. sort of like that's where I'm a little. bit confused. Was there like a day like. a D-Day of sorts where it's like, okay, this is when we're going to just unleash. this virus into the world or do you. think it was unleashed on accident? Like. what is your thoughts on that? You know, I I I don't exactly know, but I I have. listened to many opinions, and one. opinion who I think is is on target is. former CDC director Robert Redfield. He. believes it leaked out by accident.

summer of 2019. >> Accident? It just seems so it feels like. there would be so much security around. something like this. >> No, no, you there are. >> But if everybody's keeping it a secret, >> listen, we've published this on my. substack focal points. Nicolra McCulla. Foundation. There's over 3,000 bolabs. Do you know there have been hundreds and. hundreds of leaks? This one down in. Galveston. There's been a ton of leaks. >> in Galveston, Texas. >> Sure. The the these labs require B.

biocurity level four means you have to. wear a hazmat suit and they use reverse. ventilation, what have you. All you need. is a ventilation system going out, someone spilling a test tube, someone. not being careful. And the Biden. administration in 2024, in the summer of. 2024, published this legislation. And it's concerning. pathogens of pandemic potential that are. dualpurpose. It's very important.

>> I'm a little confused. And what that. means is we are in the business of. creating pathogens that can create. pandemics, but they have a dual purpose. To get the world sick and to create. vaccines. >> I see what you're saying. So they're. able to create a pathogen now that can. get you just sick enough. You're saying. >> get the whole world sick. Now that's. kind of tricky because. >> let me read this really fast. Sorry. Uh. there have been no recent reports of.

communitywide leak or environmental. breach from the biolabs in Galveston as. early as 2026. Um a in February 2025 reports disclose. that there were three incidents in 2024. where researchers were potentially. exposed to infectious agents within the. high containment labs uh the chaper. chaper virus. A lab worker accidentally. punched their finger with a needle while. handling an infected guinea pig. Shout. out guinea pigs. All of them. Chapara is. a rare deadly hemorrhagic fever virus.

Anthrax were also cited in the annual. biosafety summer release. Uh and. containment status. In all three cases, the incidents were contained inside the. lab. >> So, let's go to the focalpoints.com. We're going to have to start going to. the original papers because you're. you're getting you're getting snowed on. artificial intelligence. You're getting. snowed. Okay. Now, s do the search. button up there and type in uh Bolab. leak. >> Galveistston. >> No, it'll come up. Okay, >> let's pick any one of those. Just pick.

uh the UNCC Chapeloo. >> That's it right there. >> Um click on the link right there. >> And this is what I do. I just go from. the original papers and none of this uh. I think. >> Yeah, cuz a lot of AIs that was Gemini I. think a lot of AIs you just don't know. what they're. >> getting snowed the illusion of biosafety. during SARS K2 research. multiple. apparent occult lab acquired infections. identified under BSL3 conditions, premier US labs. And so, you know, we're.

starting to get the idea that these labs. are not infallible. And uh, you know, Trump has actually. stopped federal funding of these, but. they're richly funded by foundations. like Gates Foundation, Rockefeller. Trust, Welcome Trust, and they're big. business for universities. Mhm. >> Uh do you do you know that not a single. state has done an inventory of their. biolabs? And I'm on the Senate committee. for Arizona and they asked, "Well, doc, what can we do to, you know, do better.

next time?" I said, "Why don't you do an. inventory of what universities are. running biolabs?". >> Wow. So, there's bolabs on college. campuses right now. >> Oh, for sure. >> And are some of them handling like. pretty severely infectious diseases? >> Yes. Really? >> Yeah. Go back to. >> like which ones do you know? Go back to. focal points and I want you to pull up. when I did search on this and and and. and do a pandemic potential. duel. You're going to get the B admin. There we go. Click on the top one. This is the government. Just scroll.

down. This is the government uh work on. pandemics. This is the bioweapons. convention. >> 1975 that says we shouldn't be in this. business. So they call them biological. threats and uh just go down. The Biden administration put out um uh. guidance on this of this dual use um. potential and it's a 31page document and.

it's very minimal oversight. Listen, if you were making a nuclear. bomb in a university lab, you'd have the. nuclear Here it is. You'd have the. Nuclear Regulatory Commission all over. you. Yeah. >> And here this is so light voluntary. reporting. Just kind of tell us what. you're generally doing. Uh you know. there was a bolab that someone found in. Ridley, California. There was one. recently in Las Vegas.

It's been said, I can't back it up, but. it said they're all over Ukraine. >> Wow. >> I am telling you the next threat we have. is from a biolab. I feel pretty strongly. about it. >> Well, I think based on what's happened. recently. Yeah, I mean I I think that. would make a lot of sense to say uh you. know America feels super compromised. I. feel like in a lot of I know shocking. and I think we trusted the red, white. and blue. you know, you believe that. America was this thing for so long and. it may have been at some point, but I. feel I feel like the number one thing.

that I notice amongst a lot of my. friends is that people just feel that. there's a everyone's questioning. everything right now. Um that we don't. trust um we don't trust that our country. that our government that our um that the. entities out there are looking out for. our best interest at all. In fact, that. they're using us as prey. what what. countries uh do you feel like are. leading the way in um in in fighting for. like truth and transparency do you feel. like? And then with that said, how hard.

would it be for there to be this world. um like pandemic cabal to take over? >> Has the world ever agreed on anything? >> No. >> All 193 countries ever? >> No. >> Written language, religion, nothing. But suddenly this pandemic comes out and. all the countries agree that essentially. there's one solution. mass vaccination. You've got genetic vaccines that have.

never been used in in in mankind ever. And we're talking about largely. messenger RNA vaccines Fiser and Madna. which are the leads. >> So we've never used genetic vaccines in. the history of man. >> Never. And so, >> is that true? Bring that up. These are. the first genetic What does that mean. exactly? >> They're the first human messenger RNA. vaccines. It's the genetic code for the. lethal spike protein. >> Got it.

>> What a gamble. So, you have a protein. that's been worked on for years and. years and years and it's lethal. It's. proven to be lethal. Then we create the. genetic code for this lethal protein and. inject the genetic code with no idea. what's going to shut it off. No. Genetic. vaccines such as mRNA or DNA vaccines. had not been used in humans before 2020. They underwent pre-clinical testing and. earlyphase human clinical trials for.

conditions like influenza, rabies, Zika, HIV, and cancer. But none received. regulatory approval or widespread use. prior to the co9 pandemic. Wow. Now. listen, messenger RNA has been around. for a long time. There's a paper by Lani. and colleagues, British Medical Journal. that dates messenger RNA development. back to about 1985. Billions of dollars were poured into. this. >> by countries all over big companies. curvac Santa uh biioentech came along.

madna. and there's a love affair with messenger. RNA technology. I'm telling you love. affair. Can you imagine any protein we. want to we can make the code for inject. it and start making a protein. The. enthusiasm for messenger RNA is through. the roof. And you know when this. pandemic came along. it was it was like go time for those. people in the messenger RNA world. And. there was a very important uh. development step. And I think it's very.

unfortunate no one briefed Trump on. this. DARPA, a research unit of the military. And. this one you have to bring up on the. screen, guys. >> And DARPA is basically they're they're. the our government's lab. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Military. >> Got it. >> DARPA has a program in 2012. It's called the Adept P3 program. They. announced in 2012 that our aspiration is. to end pandemics within 60 days using.

messenger RNA vaccines in 2012. See if. you can bring up Yeah, click on P3 right. there. Okay, >> click on that and scroll down and you'll. see. >> aims to specifically to develop at a. scalable, adaptable, and rapid response. platform capable of producing relevant. numbers of doses against any known or. previously unknown infectious threat. within 60 days of identification of such. a threat in order to keep the outbreak. from escalating and disruptions to the. military and homeland. >> Now, click click on that next link,

autonomous. Now, roll down. There should. be a figure. Is there a link there? I. guess not. Um, but the they literally. show messenger RNA in a little life. cycle that that's what they're using in. 2012. Lani Lani points out that this has. been going on for the longest time. It's. almost as if a technology waiting for a. use. And. >> when this rolled out, >> to me, one of the greatest um blunders.

was that there was no way to shut off. this genetic code. And so. >> what do you mean no way to shut off once. it's injected into you? >> Yes. So normally cells make messenger. RNA. So we have our DNA and the DNA. codes for a message. The messenger RNA. is made. It goes outside the cell and it. works with ribosomes and it makes a. protein like insulin. And then the. messenger RNA is immediately dissolved. with enzymes. Done. And so this cycle.

goes on and on and on. So the ability to. make synthetic messenger RNA is. powerful. But the reason why the. development program stumbled so long is. that it was immediately dissolved by. these enzymes. So, Carico and Wisemen. who won the Nobel Prize in 2023 I. believe they came up with a process of. replacing one of the base pairs in the. code in messenger RNA uricil for a.

synthetic one called pseudouodine. Once that happened, they were able to. make the messenger RNA indestructible. Human enzymes can't break it down. >> Now it's game on. >> Now it's ready. So now you Carico and. Wiseman 2023 Nobel Prize. >> but this was after co had come out. >> and I know but the work was done don't. forget Nobel prize is usually granted. for 20 years of work so you know they. were working on this for years so fizer. madna when they went through their.

decision-m on this they tried let's try. to just replace 25% of the uricils well. it still gets dissolved 50% still gets. dissolved 75% they finally said screw it. replace all of it let's make it fully. synthetic. >> Well, let me tell you what. This gets. injected in the human body. You know, I was alarmed when when that. proposal was made. I published an op-ed. >> So, you have a fully synthetic genetic. code inside of you. >> Yes. >> That can't be dissolved. >> Cannot be dissolved. That's Fiser and.

Madna. and I published an op-ed in the. Hill and myself and Scott Atlas were. invited through 2020 to you know kind of. guide the House and the Senate White. House on what's going on with the. pandemic and I published an oped in the. Hill in August of 2020 and the title of. the oped is the great gamble of the CO. 19. vaccine development program. >> So I I called it out. I said, "Listen,

this is a gamble and when this rolled. out, the CDC says, "Well, it just stays. in the arm and it'll be there for a. couple days." We have now one of my. patients in Dallas, and we've just. published it. There you go. The Great. Gamble. You're looking at the only. public figure in the world who. questioned the vaccines before they came. out. The only one. >> You can't find another person who put it. in writing big time before they came. out. They came out December. >> They came out December of 2020. No one.

did. >> PMAC. >> No one [clears throat] did. There's no. No one else did it. I mean, the point. I'm making is the entire world was. seduced. by this technology. For sure. The. seduction was was overwhelming. Every. country signed on to this. They couldn't. wait to do this. >> Can you uh search that and see if the. genetic code that was injected into with. the mRNA vaccines, it doesn't? Go to. McCulla Foundation uh makulla fnd.org. and I'll get you the link there. But the.

point is we have one of my patients. This guy's taken three fisor shots. He's. had blood clots, you know, MRI proven. heart damage. He's he neurologic damage. He's absolutely miserable with these. shots. And so we work with a lab in. Germany that can actually detect the. spike protein. And scroll down to our. publications. You should find it here. Um, >> but this is on your own website, isn't. it? >> Yeah, but it links it links to the the. publication. Everything I do is. peer-reviewed and published. >> So, um, that's him right there,

actually, if you want to see him. That's. that's uh uh uh Steve Kempen, the man. right there with the glasses on. He He's. got Fizer circulating his bloodstream. 3.6 years after the shots. >> It looks hot. >> It's in his skin. We did skin biopsies. We did two sets of skin biopsies, multiple uh sets of blood tests. >> Okay. >> And. >> and is this the only patient like this. you found? >> Well, it's the only it's the only with. every seinal observation. He is the.

seinal observation. Now they'll be what. does that mean? >> That means the first one. It's the first. observation. >> There it is. That's the central figure. This is essentially what we found in. Steve Kempen. So this is the work we're. doing at McCulla Foundation. You know, Harvard's not doing this. Mayo Clinic's. not doing this. There's sick people who. took the vaccine. They are not looking. for the spike protein. They're not. looking for the vaccine. They're. baffled. You know, the Biden administration spent. a billion dollars on long CO. Never.

consider the spike protein, which is the. cause of long COVID. When you get the. infection, a part of the spike protein. gets stuck in your body. You take the. vaccine, you get the full length spike. protein body. No wonder you feel sick. >> Why wouldn't they be trying to figure it. out? because there's money there, too. >> It's the most interesting observation. ever. There's no lectures on the spike. protein or vaccine injuries. There's no. grand rounds. There's no primary care. updates. The Biden administration spent.

a billion dollars on longcoid research. They didn't do a single spike protein or. messenger RNA research study. Now, we. have a new administration in. They. haven't done it. Mhm. >> No one will look directly at the problem. in the entire world. And on top of this, there's plenty of evidence suggesting. each vial was different. Each batch was. different. Some were super loaded. Some. didn't have much in it at all. There's. tremendous batchto batch variability.

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pulled them off the market. >> Why though? And how would you get all of. these countries to go along with this. continually and agree? Like there has to. still be some like countries out there. who are willing to raise their hand and. ask questions. Huh? >> None. It's a mindblowing. reality. You can't get people to agree. This is. the biggest. >> I know you can't get them to but but you. are saying you're getting them all to. agree to not look into this. >> Yes. >> How?

I was asked to lecture last year in. Shiakwa which is actually a great honor. Shiakqua is the heart of uh modern. American liberalism. It's in western New. York. The Roosevelts have lectured. there. And I thought about this. How can this. be? H how can not a single medical. school have a spike protein project. looking at this? And I picked two prior examples where.

there is a complete oblivion. to a big problem. The first one was 1860. to 1920. What I call the first great. cocaine epidemic. >> Every drug made by all the. pharmaceutical companies was cocaine. derivatives. It was in Coca-Cola was in. Keianti wine. All the doctors uh. experimented with this. The nurses used. it. All the medical journals were. publishing effects of cocaine improving. energy uh in JAMAMA, New England Journal.

of Medicine. Holstead, the father of. modern surgery, uh used cocaine as an. anesthetic. He became a brutal cocaine. addict. So did Sigman Freud. Okay, >> he was on it. Huh? >> Right? So listen, this goes on for 60. years. In Gemma, our US medical journal, in 60 years with hundreds and hundreds. and hundreds of papers on cocaine, there. was one paper by an Irish doctor who. said, "I'm concerned this is causing.

addiction.". One in 60 years, a complete oblivion to. the addictive potential of cocaine. >> So, you're saying that it's possible? >> Okay, it's Let me give another example. 1920 to 1978. What I call smokefest, everyone smoked. >> Doctors smoked, nurses smoked, everyone. smoked. People in high society smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke. Doctors. handed out cigarettes in the clinics. RG.

Reynolds and American Tobacco Company, Philip Morps, they had doctor uh. >> prescribed cigarettes. >> No, they had doctor cigarette. promotional campaigns where the doctors. handed out cigarettes. They said which. ones they thought were the best and and. doctors claiming smoking is safe. This. goes on and on and on. And finally, Sir. Austin Bradford Hill in the UK, an. epidemiologist, and Richard Dah, a. medical doctor, present data in the UK. in 1950, and they said, "It looks like. smoking causes lung cancer.".

>> No, you can't be that you're smeared and. and discredited, debunked. If it was. social media, they would have been. cancelled. They would have been thrown. off YouTube for saying that smoking. caused lung cancer. >> They do the physician smoking study. They come back four years later. They. said, "Listen, smoking is causing. cancer. In fact, half of British doctors. are dying of smoking related conditions. Still doesn't convince them. In the. United States, this goes all the way to. 1964. Luther Terry, our surgeon general, calls.

a meeting to Washington of the doctors. and says, "Listen, I got the surgeon's. general report. Smoking causes lung. cancer." Doctors were still smoking. They still didn't believe him. >> Yeah. >> In fact, doctors were doctors were. smoking in the operating room, in the. clinic. A a great book is uh The Emperor. of All Mal Malades by Mukerjee. Won the. Pulitzer Prize in his first book. He. describes the lead surgeon at John's. Hopkins taking out these blackened lung. cancers in surgery and he was smoking.

all the time when he was doing the. surgery and teaching the students no. smoking doesn't the black smoke doesn't. cause the lung cancer. >> He himself dies of lung cancer and on. his deathbed he still says that smoking. doesn't cause lung cancer. It's not. until 1978. before the AMA sheepishly comes out with. its first brochure, the dangers, health. hazards of smoking. And it's not until. the 1990s before we have the tobacco. settlement. So my point is, listen, if.

cocaine and the doctors being totally. oblivious to cocaine because they were. seduced by it, totally oblivious to. smoking because they were seduced by it, and now totally oblivious to the hazards. of these co vaccines. We got three. examples here. What's common to all of. them? Self-participation. That is they did it themselves. Can you. imagine if you told a doctor, listen, did you take the the Fiser Madna. vaccines? Yeah. Do you know they don't. leave the body and they're still in your. body now producing spike protein? Uh no.

And and no, I I don't know. And I don't. want to know. And did you have your wife. and your family take it? Oh, yeah, I. did. And did you tell your patients to. take it? Yeah. Do you know it causes. fatal heart damage and blood clots and. autoimmune problems, neurologic. problems, stroke, and it may cause. cancer? It's overwhelming. The average. doctor cannot psychologically handle it. just like they couldn't psychologically. handle it that cocaine was damaging. themselves and ruining their lives or. like smoking was causing their lung. cancer. It's the same thing.

>> Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I guess when you look. at it like that that it's happened. throughout time that we've been standing. right there in the sun and denying. light, it's pretty wild. Um, what are. some of the most common side effects. that you've seen from the CO 19. vaccines? >> Most concerning is fatal heart damage. Myocarditis fatal. >> What is myocarditis? We hear about it. all the time. People are like, you know, a guy a kid falls down in a soccer game. and people are yelling he's got. myocarditis. You know, you just don't. know what's going on. What is it. exactly? There was a very important.

paper by crossen k r a u s o n from. Harvard that found in some people who. took the vaccines found that the. messenger RNA is physically in the. heart. That's a bad sign. >> Whatever you take in the arm should not. end up in the heart. >> So it has a tropism for the heart. It. actually has a predilction to go in the. heart. So um so there there's crossing. to 2023. Messenger RNA is in the heart. Okay.

Yeah. And. >> let me see. Duration of SARS CO 2 mRNA. vaccine persistence and factors. associated with the cardiac involvement. in recently vaccinated patients. Um. let me see what it say. Vaccine was. detected in the axiliary lymph nodes in. a majority of patients dying within 30. days of vaccination but not in patients. dying more than 30 days from. vaccination. So originally it was going. >> further read further down vaccine was. detected in the myioardium in the heart.

in a subset of patients vaccinated. within 30 days of death. >> I mean it's at the scene of the crime. Okay. >> Another paper by buler b a u m e i e r. buler. found the spike protein in the heart. He. didn't have the tech to to find the. messenger RNA, but he found the spike. protein in the heart. And uh there you. go. That should be bone. That's it. So. this is image. These are images showing. inflammation and spike protein in the.

heart. >> So here's the point. The vaccine is in the heart. The spike. protein is the heart. When you have. inflammation in the heart, the heart is. dependent on having a nice consistent. muscle for conduction of electricity. That's how our heartbeat comes. depolarization. >> When you have inflammation that creates. heterogeneity in conduction and then we. can actually get a re-entrant loop, an. electrical loop that goes around very. very fast. That's called ventricular.

tacocardia. And if that isn't shocked or. interrupted, it degenerates to. ventricular fibrillation and you're. down. Now the triggers we've had myocarditis. rarely before the pandemic from various. viruses uh and other forms of. inflammation. It was known then that we. can never let these people exercise. because if they exercise the surge of. adrenaline through exercise can trigger. this abnormal heart rhythm.

>> Wow. >> It's in our guidelines. So, as the. vaccines roll out, and we've had a US. Senate hearing on this in May of 2025, people started getting heart damage with. the vaccines. And uh if you look up US. Senate uh testimony um March uh May. 21st, 2026, Ron Johnson, Peter McCulla, the US government got um got uh.

communications from Israel saying, "Listen, we gave the vaccine to all our. soldiers. We got 60 cases of heart. damage and two cases are fatal." This. came in in February of 2021. the public health agencies, uh, they all. sat on this, the White House sat on this. and they didn't inform the public and so. more people got vaccinated. Then a big. bomb hit and the bomb hit, that's my. opening statement right there, a big.

bomb hit uh, in August of 20. uh, 21. where a paper was published from. Washington University in St. Louis. First author is Verma Ver M- A. And they. describe a 42-y old man who takes a. Madna shot, develops myocarditis, gets. really sick, goes in the hospital, and. he dies right in front of them. They. can't save him with all the technology. that we have, life support systems,

everything else. He dies. Brutal, fatal. myocarditis. And uh and this is New England Journal. of Medicine. Um, >> so but here's my point, okay? If there. was a new drug on the market. >> and we gave it to somebody and they died. of fatal heart damage, there'd be. product warnings, withdrawals. Doctors. would say, "Wait a minute. I'm not. concerned.". Doctors showed no concern over this. outside of me. I saw this. I said, "You.

got to be kidding me. This kills a. healthy 42-y old man. If this if if. madna can kill a healthy 42-y old man. with all the technology and we can't. save him. Do you know how many people. are dying in nursing homes, in athletic. fields, and in schools and all over? And. how many people are dying in in in uh. underdeveloped countries? >> But are we seeing an uptick in that? Like is there any information or would. we even get the correct information. anymore? That's that's cuz it starts to.

get to this place where you're like, okay, if this is really happening, I'm. not seeing people drop dead everywhere, you know. Um I'm not hearing that. But. also, you don't know if the news is. factual or not. A lot of times, um don't. you think you would see like see it. happening in mass so that it would. really support some of this information. that you're saying? You'd have to. um. get to a point. where it would be people have estimated. this. What would be something so.

significant that you'd see it with your. human eye? It's probably more than 15%. >> More than 15% of the population, you. mean? >> You'd have you'd have to just see bodies. all over the place, right? >> Yeah. You'd literally have to be like, "Oh man, what's going on here?". >> Otherwise, you'll miss an important. signal. Now there's there's 12 studies. showing mortality is actually up since. the pandemic not down. You know you go. through a pandemic there's a culling. effect. There should be you know sicker. frail people who die and therefore the.

remaining people have a lower mortality. after the pandemic mortality is up. >> Do you believe that the number of. vaccine related deaths is being. misrepresented? >> Yes. So let's go to open vees openv. op o op o op o op o op o op o op o op o. op o op o op v a rs.com. Click US data. Okay, this nobody's challenged this. This is presented in the US Senate. multiple times. These are deaths reported to VAS by. doctors like me who've already. determined the vaccine is a cause of.

death. This is not controversial. I've. reported some of these cases. I've. already decided the vaccine caused the. death. I've filed the death certificate. I've looked at the autopsy. I've looked. at the MRIs. I've looked at all the. data. This is not up to the CDC to. decide. I've decided. Okay. 16. 19,69. deaths. Okay. Do you know how many deaths per year. come into this system for all the other. vaccines combined?

150. >> 15,000. >> 150. >> total. >> total. >> Wow. >> This is off the RTOR scale. Off the RTOR. scale. And so in in Senate in in House. and Senate and FDA testimony, people. said, "Wait a minute. If you don't have. the vaccine card and you're not willing. to report it and you don't have all the. data, it can't be reported. So what is. the under reporting factor?" There's. actually a publication on this, but from. you from conservatively because people. are aware of COVID and fatal side.

effects, the conservative estimate is. 30. And in my publications, I use 30. >> 30,000. >> No, 30. It's a it's an under reporting factor. Meaning this 19,69. is probably under reportported 30fold. So the true number of vaccine deaths is. between 500 and 600,000 deaths. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Now listen, >> and how do you get that 30x? >> Well, there's a paper by Lazareth that. said it's 100. It's 100fold under.

reportported. People said no. People. know about these co vaccines. So the the. the we are reporting more deaths now. than other vaccines, but 30fold under. reportported is conservative. It's. conservative. But even if we even if. there's no under reporting, 19,69. What if we had 19,69. people die from uh you know a new energy. drink? >> Yeah. >> People would be outraged. >> like Prime or whatever, >> right? I mean uh you know we we we have. a couple people die in a in a building.

collapse. It makes the news. You know, you have uh uh Nancy Guthrie, bless her. heart, she's abducted from her home. It's on the news for for weeks on end. >> Yeah. Cash Patel can't even find her. He's out partying. >> No, but what I mean is I mean hockey one. death is too many. >> But here we are. Here we are in that. 19,69. are these in-your-face deaths reported. in the peer-reviewed literature. And one. that really caught my eye is by Gil and. colleagues Gil Archives of Pathology.

This is terrible. This is two boys. They're teenagers. They um uh die after. taking Fizer and they're found. They're found in their beds dead at home. by their parents. They get autopsies. They bring in expert pathologists. It's. conclusive. They died of taking the. Fiser vaccine. Healthy young. adolescence. >> Let me read this. clinical and autopsy. investigation of two teenage boys who.

died shortly following administration of. the second Fiser Biointech CO9 dose. Um. the myocardial injury seen in these. postvcine hearts is different from. typical myocarditis and has an. appearance most closely resembling a. catacolamine. mediated stress cardopathy. Understanding these instances are. different from typical myocarditis and. that cytoine storm has a known feedback. loop. Um, >> do you want me to translate? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I mentioned that.

>> it's that electrical loop you were. talking about, >> right? I mentioned the vaccine is in the. heart. The spike protein heart, there's. inflammation, but what triggers the. cardiac arrest is a surge of adrenaline. that occurs on the playing field during. athletics. It also occurs between 3:00. a.m. and 6:00 a.m. during the normal. waking hours of sleep called the waking. hours. >> That's what happens. So, the pattern of. vaccine deaths has been during sports. and athletics and then dead in bed. These are astronomical.

numbers. >> The simple fact that 150 people have. died of vaccine die of die of vaccines. each year, right? Is that what you're. saying? >> That's what comes in the report, >> right? And this report is saying that. there was 19,000 this is just which we. believe is highly under reportported, >> right? 19,000 over five years. So, but. but I can tell you, you know, by March. of 2021, 3 months into the campaign, there were 1,600 deaths. >> Wow. >> And I I was called to the Texas Senate.

I said, "Listen, I'm concerned." I had. already expressed concern before they. came out. I'm really concerned. And and you you can't. um whitewash this away. And that's what. we saw being done everywhere. And I've. heard ridiculous explanations like, "Well, these aren't verified.". Well, who's going to verify them? The. doctor has all the right. When I do a. VES report, the first three or four.

pages is all about me. Who are you? Who's making this report? Where's your. name? What's your address? What's your. email? What's your office address? What. have you. Okay. Then the next several. pages are who the patient, who are they? Who are their relatives? Where's their. where's their email? What's their. addresses? The CDC has all of this. information on 19,000 deaths. Do you know how many people the CDC has. actually called to to kind of do a. study? Zero. >> Wow. They're sitting on 19,600.

deaths. They have all the information. They didn't even they didn't even send a. you know a a a I'm sorry card. I mean, let alone do a study. I mean, to think. that the Center for Disease Control, we're we're so diseased. We're one of. the most diseased countries in. existence. How they're even still. allowed to function to me is just beyond. me. I think most people um I'm I'm. seeing an uptick of people that want to.

give births in home, people that do not. want to go to the hospital anymore, people looking for uh home remedies, homeopathic type of uh remedies, uh. people trying to get off of their. antid-depressants. I mean, I think it's. one of the largest resurgences. Um, there's more people getting into. homeschooling right now. Yes. Right now, than there was during CO, >> right? If you think about that, that's. unbelievable. That's how much people do. not trust uh any of these entities. anymore. >> Well, have you heard that there's. measles outbreaks everywhere?

>> I haven't seen it. >> Yeah, it's all over. Oh my gosh. Go. >> Is it true? >> Yeah. Well, it it you know there are. now uh there's one of the social media. platforms um trying to it's called. threads. Do you know what threads is? It. goes Oh, yeah. So, go on threads. >> I don't think we have a threads account. though. >> Oh, I do. But any you go on threads, you. are every time you turn around there's a. measles update. Another measil outbreak. Another measles outbreak. >> That's interesting that that's where. it's at too. Nobody's even on threads.

So um so of interest we have about a. thousand measles cases so far this year. and in average year there's about 2,000. in the United States. There have been. 40,000. distinct press pieces on measles. outbreaks. >> Wow. >> And 75% of those encourage taking the. measles vaccine. So this is interesting. And so in the and by the way in the. pieces they blame RFK and Trump. Now.

think about this. RFK and Trump have. been in office what a year and 3 months. uh uh a baby doesn't come up for the. first measel vaccine [laughter]. until about 18 months of age. So the. measles cases they're seeing now and so. the most ridiculous thing is um they. they'll say measles outbreak hits. college campus. So why don't you type in. measles outbreaks? There have been some. misal cases on college campuses and. they'll say uh you know they'll blame.

RFK and Trump say wait a minute that kid. that kid that kid's vaccine decision. occurred 15 years ago how can they blame. Trump and so um there you go hits the. university in Florida. >> oh yeah Florida UMass Amherst I've. caught something over there. >> okay but so here's another point there. have been measles outbreaks recently in. uh the UK so in the UK well how can you. blame Trump and RF FK, it's the UK. They. have a different vaccine schedule. So, here's the point I'm making is um and I.

wrote a Substack on this recently. >> that uh um uh if you go to the. focalpoints.com, I'll I'll give you the. update numbers. Um that. we have a situation where testing has. been ramped up four-fold. Now, they're. just doing PCR testing for measles all. over. And it turns out the measles. vaccine isn't perfect. So in a paper by. Bianci and colleagues, they found about. 20% of people who take the measles.

vaccine, they don't have any cerologic. protection. I'm one of them. I took the. first shot, I took a second shot, I went. to medical school, I got a blood test, I. had to take I I took four measles. I. still don't have any me. I guarantee if. I got exposed to measles, I would get. it. M but so it's not perfect but the. measles is being used as an example to. try to in this whole vaccine promotional. world which has divided people into. vacers and antivaxers. Have you heard. that one? >> For sure. >> Are you an antivaxer?

>> Um no. I'm I I mean I got vaccines when. I was young. I didn't get the um COVID. win, but I don't I'm I'm curious about. the science and I think I don't trust. the entities that tell us the things we. need to do to take care of ourselves. anymore. So, I think everything should. be put under a microscope right now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I think people should trust. their own decision-m and if that's wrong. or right, then at least you as a human. can live with that as opposed to feeling. like you may have gotten poisoned. because then that's out of your then. that's not your choice really.

>> Well, sure. And you know, I think the. unique thing about vaccines is they've. been uh and we we point this out in my. book. They've been um proposed to. essentially be a savior to humanity and. that you get a vaccine to protect other. people. And in many ways, that's that's. a myth. The real reason to get a vaccine. is for your own personal protection. So, it must be a personal choice. I think it. is. >> Just like you take a blood pressure. medicine to lower your personal blood. pressure, you're not doing it for. somebody else. You're doing it for.

yourself. But vaccines have been. presented that wait a minute this is. good for humanity. and people should do it and if you're. against doing it you're hesitant. Wait a minute vaccine hesitancy that's. actually a psychiatric disease. Do you. know there's 20. >> serious? >> Yeah. There's 20 scientific survey. instruments to assess your vaccine. hesitency. And if you score above a. certain level you have a disease. >> Nuh-uh. >> Yes. >> Bring that up. Vaccine hesitancy. >> Yeah. Put up makulla vaccine hesitency.

I just published a paper on this. It's. on the Substack. You'll find everything. on Substack or my Twitter, you guys. Okay, that's it. >> Throughout history, there's always been. But this is just you writing it, but. this is real information. >> It's peer-reviewed. >> Okay. Um, throughout history, there's always been. a fear of unrelable, potentially fatal. communicable disease. Immunization has. been an advancement in population health. that has developed over three centuries. However, fear of side effects is a. psychological phenomenon that has arisen. as a substantial issue for the lay. public. Vaccine hesitancy, a complex.

phenomenon rooted in historical. resistance to immunization, poses. significant challenges as a concept to. the research and public health. communities. Um, who decided vaccine. hesitancy was real? Are you just saying. >> 18th century? It goes back to the 1700s. >> Vaccine hesitency a complex phenomenon. rooted in historical resistance to. immunization. Uh. >> yeah and in the paper I identified 20. different of these measures. You know. there's an Oxford measurement of vaccine.

hesitancy. That's so crazy. >> And it's just Yeah. So so the idea is it. actually you're considered to have a. psychiatric disease. if you are hesitant to take a vaccine. >> Wow. >> That's how far this has gone. And you. know people say well it was really hard. during COVID. I lost my job. What have. you. In our book, we point out that this. is a late 18th century, let's say about. 1790 or so, in some of these smallox. outbreaks. And clearly in the late uh uh.

19th century, you know, 1890 or so, if. you declined taking a vaccine or your. children, your children go to jail. Families went to jail. Parents went to. jail. This was enormous. This has gone on for a long time now. So. >> while vaccine hesitancy is not a disease. itself, it is a formal medical and. sociobiological term used to describe. the delay in acceptance and refusal of. vaccines. That makes sense. The term was. solidified by the WHO SAGE working group.

on vaccine hesitancy which was. established in 2012. >> Right? Listen, pull up the statement by. the WH. It should come down here where. the WH says that vaccine hesitancy. is a major threat to public health. I. think might have even been in that first. thing you put up. >> Major threat to public health. And so. vaccine hesitancy is is basically put. forward as a a principle that um there.

it is top 10 threats to public health if. you're hesitant to take a vaccine. >> In 2019, the World Health Organization. officially named vaccine hesitency as. one of the top 10 threats to global. health. This designation was a landmark. moment because it shifted the focus from. the vaccines themselves to the. behavioral and social factors that. prevent people from using them. But. okay, but I I told you about our. government covering up and this is like. in US Senate uh Homeland Security. government files permanent subcommittee. investigations. This is airtight. Our.

government covered up heart damage with. the co vaccines because they didn't want. to promote vaccine hesitancy by telling. people the facts. >> Well, sure. I mean, I think that it's. all part of the same thing. It's like, well, if we show this and it's going to. make people weary of vaccines. >> I mean, in in our society, safety comes. first. It doesn't matter how good these. vaccines are. It doesn't matter what. what they could possibly do. If they're. not safe, they should go.

>> Well, our safety only comes first to us. And sometimes even then it's but it. doesn't it obviously does not come. first. It doesn't feel like anymore to. any of these powers at be. >> Well, does safety come first in. automobiles? Yes, because you have all. these inspections. Does safety come. first when you build your house? You. can't get your certificate until things. are safe and thing engineering. Does. safety come first in other areas? Yes, except vaccines because vaccines have. become a religion.

They are accepted as articles of faith. This has been going on for 300 years. >> It's it's a religious thing. So if you. come in and you say something that. violates somebody's religious beliefs, you know what they do? If they're nice. to you, you know what they do? They give. you the Heisman. They say, "I don't want. to talk about it." That's what most of. my colleagues do. >> Yeah. >> I don't want to talk about And if if you. go further, you know what they normally. do? Happened to me obviously. They throw. you out. Yeah. >> They say, "Listen, you're.

anti-religious. You're sacriigious. Get. out.". >> Well, here's the thing. This wouldn't be. on so many people's emotional radar and. truth radar if there wasn't some truth. to it. >> Correct. >> Like that to me is undeniable. Like I've. always trusted my instincts, right? Sometimes I'm wrong, but over time I. hone them and a lot of times they get. very keen for me and I operate well with. them. Right. And I assume that's how. most people operate. >> Yes. >> Um. >> you mentioned you didn't take the co. vaccines. >> I didn't take them either. And according.

to USA Facts, which takes the tabular. data from the CDC, the best estimates. are. >> that 19% of us did not take the shots. 19%. Now 81% took at least one shot but. only 70% took two shots. So only 70% got. fully vaccinated. Ah understood. I'll. say this. We had a guy we had a guy on. last week uh this guy James Lee and he. investigates a lot of um he exposes a.

lot of corruption and he exposes a lot. of uh like rich people that are just. being like deviant you know type of. stuff you know companies politician all. that you know he's he's he's seeking out. like um he's known for investigations. into like corruption and fraud. He was. working as a consultant for one of these. big biotech uh companies and he said. there was a conference call at one point. where um where a representative from the. company was talking about how they had.

everyone had been vaccinated that was. going to get vaccinated. They they kind. of figured that and then there were. still a lot of uh vaccinations left. there was a stockpile of vaccinations. left and so that they were going to. start to push this idea that you needed. a further like a a re because there was. extra, right? Not because they thought. that people really needed it, but. because there was extra. Do you think. something like that could be true? >> Oh, for sure. Do you know that the. pharmacies.

did not have any blanking period after. someone got a shot? So, >> like what do you mean there was no. timeline between when they should get a. second one? >> Yeah. Well, I mean you got the primary. series is you get one shot. >> and then two to four weeks later you get. a second shot but after that the idea is. well um uh 6 months or a year ultimately. it was decided that they were going to. be annual shots but the pharmacies. didn't mind giving you extra shots. >> So I had some patients came in and and.

uh they were upstanding citizens and. they said Dr. McCulla, we got our COVID. shots and I was like, "Oh, boy." You. know, hope you're okay. >> I said, "Yeah, we're fine, but we're. going to go on a cruise." So, we went in. and got some extra shots and it's. possible, right? >> So, can you imagine if I was a. prescribed a drug for a patient and they. took I said, "Take one pill a day." And. they said, "Well, it's such a good pill. I think I'll take 20 or I'll take 50 or. I'll take a hundred." Can you imagine me. saying, "Well, sure. Just take as many. as you want to." We would never do this.

And so with vaccines, there is a. delusional. scheme that the more vaccines the. better. >> But vaccines have been helpful. throughout history. Sure. So in our. book, you know, vaccines, mythology, ideology, and reality. There's a reality. for sure. So the measles vaccine, that's. a good example. It definitely dropped. the case count of measles, but it's not perfect. So if you took the.

shot, you still could get measles. So we. have measles outbreaks. And on top of. that, there's like any drug, there's. always risks and benefits. So what's the. risks of the measles vaccine? This is. important. This is another one that's on. the Zenoto server. You guys, we just. came out with this. We analyzed how many. babies died after the measles vaccine, the MMR vaccine since the 1990s. answer. I think there's over a hundred kids, maybe 200 kids died.

>> from the vaccine. >> It was a combination of vaccines, but. they found him dead in their bassinet. How many people died of measles during. that same time? About six or eight. You. get the exact numbers if you guys go on. the server. So, there are risks. That's. the point. Nothing is risk-free. Let me. give another one. >> But right there, what you're saying is, yeah, it's effective. Yeah, it drops the. case count, but you could lose your baby. with it. >> Got it. >> Okay. Now, what about chickenpox? I had.

chickenpox as a kid, but my kids didn't. get chickenpox. They took the shots. So, chickenpox lowers the case count. Terrific. But what's the catch? There's. always a catch. That's the point. The. catch is that now there's a higher rate. of adult shingles if you take the. chickenpox vaccine. So, you're really. just pushing it down the road then. >> Well, it's it's a trade-off. It's a. trade-off. You know, >> who doesn't want chickenpox? First of. all, you get out of school for like two. or three days.

>> Well, and you get you get permanent uh. immunity. So, there's always a tradeoff. So, you there's an important paper in. JAMAMA recently by Vuvian VIS. E Du Van. That said, a large number of parents now. are not going to get their kids fully. vaccinated. They they've seen enough of. this. Now, there's been. >> Is that alarming to you or how does that. look to you? >> Well, I I think it's going to bring us. back to a more appropriate use of. vaccines. Now, I'm not against the use.

of vaccines. I took every vaccine known. to man except for the COVID shots. I've. taken all kinds of, you know, flu shots. My kids took all the vaccines. So, I'm. not against vaccines, but I think. they're excessively used. And where. we're going is is what's called risk. stratification. That is there has to be some meaningful. risk of the disease for you to take the. shot. So let me give you an example. If. you've had your spleen taken out, you. had a car accident, you got taken out or.

taken out for other reasons like my. brother-in-law has spleen taken out, >> you can die from a numaccoal infection, meninja coakal infection or hmophilus. infection. It's called encapsulator. organisms. I feel very strongly if. you've had your spleen taken out, you. should get those vaccines because it's. compelling. It's like you don't have a. chance. I've seen some patients go down. with these infections. However, if. you're young and healthy like you and I, I mean, come on. I mean, we're not I. mean, you're not going to you're not.

going to go down with a pneumonia. It's. just not going to happen. >> Um, >> let me give another example. This came. up recently. A healthy baby born where. the mother is negative for hepatitis B, the baby is fine. The baby has zero. chance of getting hepatitis B until they. get into teenage years. And even then, they're probably going to be fine. Depends on what choices they make with. IV drug abuse and sexual partners, what. have you. It's just not compelling to. give them the hepatitis B vaccine. Now, I took it myself when I, you know, went.

into medical school and I was going to. work with blood and what have you and. you know it or a paramedic or a police. officer, but not every person needs to. take the hepatitis B vaccine. I think. it's compelling. >> The highest risk for um hepatitis B. transmitting it to the baby is in about. 20,000 mothers who have active hep. Most. of them are immigrants by the way from. outside the United States. They come. here, they have heep, they're going to. give it to the baby. And so when that.

occurs, the mother gets the vaccine, the. mother gets a drug called fose, and the. baby gets hepatitis B imunogloabbulin. And the baby gets So we have for 20,000. babies out of 3.3 million born. We have. a good hepatitis B transmission. It's. very effective. It's 90% effective, but. it doesn't have to be applied to all 3.3. million. Got it. recent rec recently. even Rand Paul said this others said. that listen we're overdoing. >> vaccines so I think where we're going is.

risk stratification one that's going to. come up you're going to hear about it is. actually the human papilloma virus. vaccine HPV. >> yeah I've heard about that. >> again that's sexually transmitted and uh. you know it's given to all children in. teenage years but I can tell you you. know what the most compelling group is. that transmits this virus Like you. cannot believe gay and bisexual men, >> anal intercourse, unprotected, watch.

out, anal carcinoma, penal carcinoma, etc. And oral head and neck cancers. So. the bottom line is, you know, HPV. vaccine. Yeah. Yeah. Gay or bisexual man. for sure. >> Everyone probably not. >> Everyone. It's got to be an individual. decision. So, but so we're we have to. get to risk stratification and freedom. of choice as opposed to putting on a. government schedule and forcing it into. people. >> The CDC recommends routine HPV.

vaccinations for pre-teens at 11 or 12. years old, but it can be started as. early as age nine with the goal of. protecting them before exposure to HPV. as it works best at at younger ages. But here's one question I have. At a. certain point, [clears throat] wouldn't. some of these drug companies or these L. like these like if there's a bigger. entities out there that are that are. there this cabal of control? Um, wouldn't they is there more money in.

them you battling these diseases over. time than there is just in one vaccine? You know what I'm saying? Wouldn't it. then on the them tabulating how much. money they could make off of a person, wouldn't it be like, "Oh, well, it's. better if we have them battling these. two diseases or instead of getting a. vaccine early." Does that make sense? >> No. The question is good. If you're a. drug company and you say, "I've got two. choices. I'm going to make a vaccine or. I'm going to make a drug to treat the. disease." you would take the vaccine.

every time because the vaccine, let's. say a, you know, a universal vaccine. like influenza, you're going to give it to 300 million. people. That's 300 million doses. >> Got it? >> If you get influenza and severe. influenza, you'd have a drug that's. maybe given to 50,000 people. It's night. and day. So then right there that should. be information to us that. that that makes it like it makes more. sense then if you're like well let me.

just wait and see what 50,000 people. would have these symptoms or get this. It feels like. >> from a public health perspective my view. on this is that it should all be about. treatment right I mean so. you know have you ever gotten influenza. test positive ever? >> You've never even gotten it or tested. for it? >> I don't have it. >> Okay. You never have. >> Never have. >> Have you ever taken an influenza. vaccine? >> I don't know. You. >> I can tell you that shows you it's. completely irrelevant to you. I've never.

had influenza and I've never taken the. test. >> I've never even met anybody that's even. said it before. >> Right. So my point is why is it. recommended for you, me, every human. being on Earth, including little babies, every year? But is the reason why we're. not talking about it or anything or know. anybody that has it because it. >> Well, you don't take the shots. >> Oh, that's right. But did I once get it. when I was a child? That's what I'm. >> No, what I'm saying is it's an annual. risk. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Do you see what I mean? So, it's an. annual risk. So, the point is uh the.

fear of infectious diseases is grossly. exaggerated. Got it. >> To promote vaccine uptake, vaccine. mythology and ideology has been going on. for 300 years. This is medical religion. >> This is medical. Do you know some. doctors will throw a patient out of. their office if they don't take a. vaccine? >> Wow. >> Yeah. Pediatricians will. They'll say, "Listen, if your kid doesn't take a. vaccine, they're out of here.". >> Oh, yeah. I've seen people fighting. about that online. Like, you know, they.

I didn't want my kids to have the. vaccines and this is how they treated. us. Um, >> can you imagine? Can imagine I prescribe. blood pressure medicines. If you don't. take this blood pressure medicine, I'm. throwing you out of my office. >> Yeah. I mean, this is you got it's it's. insane. It's a it's a religion and how. the ideology works uh is like this that. there's always been historically. tremendous fear of infectious diseases. and that we're vulnerable. >> We're vulnerable. >> But through the brilliance of man,

man and vaccines can improve upon God's. creation. Man outdoes God with vaccines. This is very important and because the. vaccines aren't perfect, we all have to take them. And because. this is such a a laudable goal for. humanity, if some people are injured or. disabled or died to the vaccine, they.

should take it for the betterment of. humanity. They should take it for the. team. It's collateral damage and it's. acceptable in the eyes of this vaccine. ideology. It is a runaway freight train. Look at the front of our book. Look at. the coin on the front of the book. Look. at the iconography. That That's a boy. Yeah. This is a 22 euro coin issued by. the Vatican. That's a boy in the. tripartite imagery. >> Oh, there's a boy getting a vaccine. This coin was issued by the Vatican. >> Yeah. Issued by the Vatican. But but.

look at but look at this. This is during. the pandemic. The boy should be. receiving the Eucharist. He should be. receiving the body and blood of Jesus. Christ. >> So you're saying that parting. the vaccine? >> Yes. So you're saying there's a bigger. psychology here of playing God. >> It's a religion. The point is it's a. religion. That's the reason why people. can't talk about it. That's the reason. why doctors are nuts over this. That's. the reason why there are no lectures. about side effects from vaccines.

>> No grand rounds. >> No grand rounds. We can't talk about it. There are people who there are people. listening to your show. They still can't. talk to their relatives about this. >> Well, now everyone's in a spot where. it's like it feels like a lot of people. know that it's but you don't. want to bring it up to people because. they've probably had the vaccine and you. don't want to hurt somebody's feelings. >> Well, what did I do when I came here? I. did a quick check. Did everybody take. the vaccine? Where are we on this? Because people start to get pretty.

uncomfortable when we talk about this. >> Yeah. If you have something swimming in. your pool, you don't, you know, and you. don't want to admit it, but you can't, you don't have a net, then what, you. know what I'm saying? Like it's a little. bit alarming because you can't. >> Well, that's the reason why I have, you. know, you're you have the one doctor in. the chair right now where I was the. first to devise a method to treat COVID. patients to avoid hospitalization and. death. McCulla Protocol, the most widely. used early treatment protocol in the. world. It's been credited with saving. tens of millions of lives,

>> sparing hundreds of millions of. hospitalizations. Listen, Harvard could. have grabbed this. They didn't. I did. >> And now I've devised the first. detoxification protocol. >> I want to hear about it. >> Of what people should do when they've. had the infection multiple times or. they've taken a vaccine. And so. >> now, does it only have to be they only. took one vaccine or they have to get at. least two vaccines? Listen, whether you. take the infection, whether you've had. the infection or you've taken the. vaccine, you've gotten this spike. protein in you. So, it matters for.

virtually everybody. >> Even if I never took the vaccine, but I. got but I I I tested that I had. antibodies. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You've had some spike protein in you. So, we've been studying this. This is. McCull protocol base spike protein. detoxification. First published in 2023, peer-reviewed literature. And you know. after working with every drug under the. sun the Biden administration spent a. billion dollars in this. They found no. drugs. Turns out three natural products. have a huge impact. Nattokinise, bromelain and curcumin. Nattokinise and.

bromelin are natural products. Now we. use them in high doses, medicinal doses, but they dissolve the spike protein in. the body. They help you clear it out. Curcumin is blocking the inflammatory. effects of the spike protein and they're. well tolerated in high doses. Remember, most prescription drugs are still. natural products. They're just in high. doses. And so this uh uh protocol was. published and then now we've published. multiple cases and we have I've. experienced in thousands of patients. We.

reliably bring antibodies to the spike. protein down and when we can measure. spike protein directly that's coming. down and patients get better. It takes a. long time. So, uh, you know, it takes. probably over a year. >> of taking these. >> to have taken the supplements. Yeah. >> And how often should they take them? What do you have? Do you have is that. one? Is that it right there? >> This is it. So, this is the lead. product. This is from the wellness. company. Uh, the ultimate spike detox. and this is high dose nattokinise. bromelain and curcumin. You know, we. formed a whole company around this. Wellness company is probably one of the.

greatest success stories out of the. pandemic. It's now a a a global. healthcare company. with tele medicine, neutrauticals and supplements, emergency. kits. We'll never get burned again. because now we have treatment kits for. pandemics and you know I've told people. listen I don't think the government's. going to save us from the next pandemic. but the wellness company will and we. continue to uh innovate. People need in. general they need over a year of this to. clear this spike protein out. Take a. look at it. >> How do you decide what supplements are. safe and effective enough to put in here.

and what grades? >> Well, we have a medical board. We had. certainly multiple meetings. We went. through dose ranging. Once we got to the. product, we had to go through the. Federal Trade Commission. >> So, this isn't just some white labelled. thing. >> No, no. This is this is the real deal. And so, it's all sciencebacked. Uh and. and you know, we didn't we intentionally. did not we intentionally did not patent. this. It's copyrighted mainly for just. accountability, but we did not patent it. because so many people worldwide need. it. Now, have fun. Are you on Amazon? Go.

to Amazon and type in Spike Detox. I did. this before I came. There are dozens and. dozens of products. There are dozens. Type in spike detox. >> Are there any side effects of it? >> Yeah. So, if you look in the most of it. is ours, but you'll just scroll down. You'll see a zillion different products. So, the bottom line is this tells you. people know about the spike protein. >> All this wouldn't be on Amazon. >> I agree. >> Now, listen, the doctors are not. measuring this in the bloodstream. The.

doctors are not talking about the spike. protein. It's not in New England Journal Medicine. or JAMAMA, but it's all over Amazon. That should tell you something. It's. It's hilarious. >> Or that there's a fear of it out there. and people are capitalizing on a fear. >> Yeah. You know, that's a fair point. >> I mean, it could be. >> That's a fair point. Now, >> because I've looked at hair medicine. like hair, scalp things over over the. years on you find articles like this, this will help. and they set you up with. an article and then like even if you. even if you don't even go on the link.

from the article to the product but then. you go find their product and then you. realize and then I've had things come. out like this thing doesn't do anything. just a but here's the thing nattokynise. is used by the Japanese as a heart. supplement. it it helps it helps unblock arteries so. nattokinise is beneficial anyway. bromelain is derived from. pineapple. It's also anti-infective and. healthy. Bromelain is actually used as.

as a prescription drug in a form of an. ointment that's used in deep uh uh burn. wounds. >> And then curcumin is derived from. turmeric. That's antiarthritic. That's a. healthy supplement. So bottom line is, >> you know, no one's no one's capitalizing. because these are three healthy. supplements anyway, but we have a. compelling case to use them in spite. detoxification. >> How were you able to test that it. worked? Well, this is perfect for HHS, Robert F. Kennedy and his team to do a.

large prospective double blind. randomized placebo control trial. >> Have they done it yet? >> No. Have they even called about it? No. What would What would that trial mean? I. mean, 20,000 people in each group. It. would probably be a $50 million trial, $100 million trial for sure. It should. be done. >> I'll be I'll be a guinea pig. >> This is it. So, this is ready to go. A. lot of people, as you can tell by. Amazon, people don't want to wait. If. our government hasn't even started. thinking about testing it, people don't. want to wait. They're doing it.

>> You mentioned No, remember anything that. actually works has side effects. You you. asked the question, this is a form of a. blood thinner. So, people can have more. easy bruising. We tell I just tell them. somebody on the way here, you know, if. they start to get nose bleeding or. bleeding when they brush their teeth or. No. Yeah. So it's a it's a natural. product but it's a blood thinner. The. spike protein causes blood clotting. So. we have a we have an epidemic of blood. clotting. So everybody is prone to this. I personally took it take it I took it.

this morning. and you take it on an. empty stomach and you know I had. measured my spike antibodies and my. spike antibodies uh which should be zero. but since I had COVID at least uh once. proven and probably two other times my. spike antibodies were 2300 and the. published literature suggests under a. thousand you're probably safe you. probably cleared it out just residual. antibodies I was 2300 my ears are. ringing I didn't feel well I went on. spite detox it took about a year but. I've dropped them to 900.

>> amen let's go. >> now the average person who's had taken a. vaccine who's got a trouble, blood clot, heart damage, they're at 11,000. >> and we commonly see people over 25,000. So, uh, people who are in. >> How can people get checked to see what. they're at to know if it's. >> blood test? Super important. Let's go to. Lab Corp. You can self-order your blood. test. You should do it. >> Yeah, I'm getting some blood work done. this week. Actually, >> you should do it. Go to Lab Corp. >> Okay, so now go to um uh individuals and. patients.

So go to more on demand test. >> There we go. >> And it's going to be a COVID antibbody. test. Keep going. >> There we go. >> There. Click on this. This is the test. It's $69. Okay. Stop here. If you if you. get a user ID and password right here. and you pay $69, use your credit card. You pay right here. >> You then the orders at Lab Corp, you can. go in there, get your blood test, and. you'll know that night your number. If. you're under a thousand, you're safe. >> Okay. If you're above 5,000, you.

probably got the spike protein in your. bloodstream. Okay? >> And if you're over 10,000 or above, you're in trouble. You got a re and it's. it there's about an correlation of about. 08 to 0.9 of the antibbody to the actual. spike protein. Soon there's going to be. a direct spike protein test. >> Um, and we're working hard with. companies to do that. But this is a. super useful test. Do you know that the. Mayo Clinic refuses to order this test? >> Wow. >> And so does every other major hospital. If you go in, you say, "Doctor, I want a. COVID test. I want to assess my spike. exposure. They'll say, I refuse to do.

it. So, LabC Corp got so frustrated, they just offer this to the public. I. say, pay 69 bucks, you can self-order. your COVID test. >> Good for them. >> We've published a whole spike guide on. this, how to interpret it. And uh and. so, like I told you, the average person. who took the shot who's in trouble uh in. a paper by Barham and colleagues is. 11,000. So my mother-in-law who's now. 93, she lives with us. She took two. Fizer shots uh because we had to get her. out of Canada. She was older and.

pandemic and what have you. She's never. had a side effect once. No sore arm, nothing. She goes because I don't know. what you're making such a big deal about. these CO shots. Nothing. >> And I've been watching her carefully. I'm telling you, she has nothing wrong. with her from the CO shots. I said, I. can't believe this. So, and I told you I. was 2,300. I didn't take the shots, but. I had the illness. So we check mama. You. know what? She was 200. >> No wonder she's fine. So the point is. there's probably easily 85% of people.

who took the shots, they they got. basically a dud. They got next to. nothing. They have no antibodies. They. never got much exposure to spike and. they're fine. >> The the reading that you're looking for, the number that you're looking for. coming back, it's what? Spike proteins. It. >> it's actually the antibbody to the spike. protein. >> Okay. So you're looking for the antibody. number to the spike protein. If you're. under a thousand, >> then you're doing fine. If you're 5,000. or up, then you're you should get. >> you need to get going. Well, you need to. get going. You need to get going on at. least on the ultimate spike detox. >> Got it. >> And um you know, once starting to I've.

treated thousands of patients. Now, I do. have to prescribe some drugs in addition. for certain symptoms. >> Now, what does that mean? >> No, I mean, well, what I mean is if. there's heart damage, there's another. drug I have to prescribe called cultine. >> Okay. >> How do people know if there's heart. damage? Well, then. you know I've published the kind of the. leading paper on this called risk. stratification, but in general it's. prompted by symptoms EKG and and an. ultrasound. I I just do that in my. office. Any standard doctor would do. that. But the point is um.

some people additionally need. prescription drugs, but once people are. on the detoxification program, and I've. I think I'm the most experienced doctor. in the world in treating patients with. this condition. I've never seen a new. blood clot. I've never seen a cardiac. arrest. I've never seen a new um problem. emerge. Amen. >> All the people who are emerging with. problems now, oh, I got a blood clot. now. Oh, I've got an advanced cancer. now. Oh, I've got some. They have not.

done the detox. >> Got it. >> So important. And it's probably the. biggest public health message I can give. on this show is, you know, if you just. want to play it safe and want some. healthy supplements anyway, a lot of. people take supplements, they just take. it empirically, >> take it for a year. >> and at least a year and extended use. If. you have underlying heart disease or. risk for blood clots or or how many a. day uh two capsules twice a day, empty. stomach. >> Okay. Best time to take it, I think, is. when you get if you get up at night to. use the restroom and your stomach's. empty, take it with some water before.

you go back to bed and just take it on. an empty stomach. Got it. >> I saw a woman yesterday who has a rare. genetic condition, but it impairs it the. nerves. >> What is it? She was good at parallel. parking. That's just an old joke. >> No, she's actually she's very bright. She's very um successful in her job. she. comes in, but her genetic condition uh. the nerves don't allow the capillaries. to open and close correctly. And so. she's modeled all over with a pattern. called levito reticularis. Doctors and.

nurses know what I'm talking about. And. I I I I saw her walking down the hall. because I was getting ready to, you. know, have her and her husband come in. the office and I just she just looked so. uh ill. She looked chronically ill. She's 20 years younger than me. and she. said, "Doctor, I have this genetic. condition. >> and when I took the vaccine, it absolutely ravaged me. >> and I have intractable headaches. Look. at me. Her her uh she looked so.

terrible." The the condition is actually. called Mitchell's disease. If you'll. type in Mitchell's disease. So, the. point is uh but listen to this. Um. when she walked in my office, I did not. know what Mitchell's disease was. She. came in. I have I have Mitchell's. disease. So, what did I do? A smart. doctor. I get to a certain point where I. said, "Listen, you know, I have to have. you change into a gown cuz I'm going to. get an EKG." While she's changing in the. gown, I go on artificial intelligence.

and I look up Mitchell's disease. In two. seconds, I have the answer. In fact, I. even have the genetic mutation for. Mitchell's disease now known, which is. an SCN9A mutation. And I came back in. the office and I do the next part. I. said I said, "So, you have this um this. rare disease. It's a mutation of the SCN. 9A uh gene that gates voltage into these. nerves." She goes, "You're the first. doctor who's ever identified that." And. I said, "You know, it's just But the. point I'm making is that's the power of.

artificial intelligence. I could have. gotten to it. It would have taken. forever. >> for sure.". >> And I I got to it. In fact, uh, before I. finished, I ordered the correct genetic. test on her, which she's never had. before. >> Got her on spike detoxification, ordered. the other appropriate labs, and she. literally hugged me. She goes, "I have. never had anybody even pay any attention. to me, and I'm absolutely miserable at. this, and now I can see a pathway out of. this.". >> That's the biggest thing people want to. Yeah. They just want you to hear what's.

going on with them a lot of times. Um, a. couple of questions I got to get answers. to just so we um RFK has been in office. for over a year now, right? Um, as. Secretary of Health and Human Services. Um, how do you feel like he's done. there? >> Well, you know, he's a friend. Uh, what. I'd say is this is that if we've learned. anything, you mentioned trust is low in. the government. The government doesn't. treat patients. Uh, the the government's. honestly, you know, not our caretaker. They're not our our doctor. And you.

probably never asked the question, how. is Alex Azar doing? You probably know. who he was. He was HHS secretary under. Trump. Or how did how did Basher do? He. was HHS secretary under Biden. You. probably never asked that. The only. reason why you'd ask about RFK is. because you know him and he's kind of. has a celebrity status. Um let me just. say constructively. what I would do if I was in his job. I. think that's probably a better thing to. say. So. >> yeah, I'm not trying to pitch you like. saying something negative about I'll.

just tell you what I would do. Now, the. difference is I'm a doctor with medical. authority, >> right? >> That's very different. There's nobody in. Washington who has medical authority. There's nobody in Washington that's ever. treated a COVID patient, that's ever had. an important publication on COVID, ever. innovated with um a treatment protocol. or detoxification. There's no one in. Washington with medical authority. Medical authority means I am taking. charge and I will handle this medical. problem. No one. So if I went to. Washington, I would be the only one with.

medical authority. So what would I do on. day one? I would have pulled the co. vaccines off the market. Just pulled. them. Say, "Sorry, I have medical authority. They're not safe. They're gone. >> It just that's what it is. It it it's. it's the call. You just make the call.". >> Yeah. >> It's not a political issue. This is a. drug safety issue. So I pull the co. vaccines off the market. The next thing. I do is I'd use the power of HHS and the. office to do some very important things.

Virtually every major medical center and. medical school gets funding from HHS, not only through CMS for medical care, but also from the National Institutes of. Health and sometimes the CDC. Every week. I'd be having meetings in Washington. saying there's a mandatory meeting. Send. your uh dean or your chief medical. officer, your chief of medicine, what. have you, to Washington, and we're going. to have a review of, you know, lessons learned in the. pandemic, which hospital had the best.

treatment protocols, which one didn't, which had the lowest mortality, which. didn't, vaccine safety. This is what. we're seeing with the vaccines. This is. the reason why we're pulling them off. the market. In fact, you could actually. call rapid meetings and say, "Listen, we're going to go over the data and we. want to gain a consensus before we tell. the public we're pulling them off the. market. We want to make sure you you got. your buy in on this." And use the power. of the meeting to, you know, when you. call a meeting and they happen all the. time. They're called Bethesda meetings. In the last two administrations, they. they literally haven't had any. But uh.

we go to Washington, you have all kinds. of experts from academia, from the FDA, CDC, NIH, industry. You have public. citizens. There's an agenda. You raise. some issues. You uh basically uh vet. them gaining consensus, drive policy. That's that's the process. So I I I'd be. doing this every week. When it came to. diet, for sure I would have done that. I. would have had all the dietetic. societies, American Heart Association.

And what I would do in that office is I. would get I would get the medical. orthodoxy on my side. I wouldn't write. policy with just a handful of assistants. because there's a million doctors out. there. There's a half a million nurse. practitioners and PAs. There's 5,600. hospitals, 2200 acute care hospitals. I. mean, come on. The medical industry is. too big and too strong. You can't do. anything in Washington without the. medical community. That's what I would. do. And you could make it mandatory. Say, "Listen, if you want to get your.

CMS funding, your NH funding, you better. show up here." And I would do it for. topic after topic. Uh food dyes, fluoride. I'd go through childhood. vaccines. I'd go through the whole thing. and just use Washington as a convening. And talk about make America healthy. again. If we had somebody with that type. of leadership skills and that type of. vision, oh my gosh, healthcare in the. United States could be dramatically. turned around. >> Um, do you think that the lobbies that. are there now and the big pharma and the.

the cabal that's out there now, do you. think it what's its end goal for us? Does it do you feel like. >> Well, you know, in our first book, we we. outlined this biioharmaceutical complex. It's it's powerful. Uh and it has the. medical societies with it. Remember I mentioned the smokefest and. this great problem with smoking among. doctors. Do you know the American. Medical Association was fully on board.

with smoking? They were getting tobacco. lobby money and it wasn't until 1978. before they have their first pamphlet. come out on this. Wow. you know, 28. years after the evidence shows cancer, lung, smoking causes lung cancer. >> after everybody made their made a buck. Huh. >> Yeah. So, here let's just take uh. vaccines as an example. Well, you got. the American College of Pediatrics, you've got the American College of. Gynecology, American Medical. Association. I mean, this is a freight. train. They all are fully in lock step.

on these vaccines. And so, the lobby is. is very tight. And they're told they're. I guarantee uh non-f physicians in. Washington are are told don't you flinch. on these vaccines. If you do, polio's. coming back, >> right? >> And it's going to be on you. >> Well, I'll tell you a story. This this. is one one reason why this stuff like is. always been interesting to me is because. I grew up in a community where two-lane. university, they had their primate.

testing facility center in our town. >> Yeah. >> And it's where they helped develop the. polio vaccine. Right. And they found out. at one point that the vaccine that they. created was going to also uh could cause. cervical cancer in women. And they but. they'd already made so much of the. vaccine that they still gave it out to. women. They you know what I'm saying? Like so I think I was like literally. grew up in this environment where there. was always these like weird mysteries. and things going on. Um.

uh Lee Harvey Oswald went to the same. middle school that I went to which was. kind of wild. Um, so there was just. always like this this allure in our area. of like uh I don't know if it's. conspiracy because now every conspiracy. theory ends up being right about two. years later. >> You probably read the book, right? That. Miss Mary. >> Oh, Dr. Mary's Monkeys. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that took place, you. know, the. >> but it was just interesting to me that. because all all I heard about was this. cures polio, but then also it helps. cause ser it can contribute to causing. cervical cancer on women. So it just. made me think out of the gate like how.

reliable is what we're doing? That's. something I've always asked. >> We should, you know, always trust but. verify. Understand what we're doing now. Um is very very likely to change in the. future. Uh do you know most of the drugs. I use now didn't even exist when I went. to medical school. >> Wow. >> So we we get rid of old drugs. We use. newer, better drugs. You know, we should. have constant drug improvement. We. should have constant vaccine. improvement. We talked about the measles. vaccine. Great point. The misel's.

vaccine has not been improved since the. 1960s. It's like what? >> That's crazy, dude. >> It's nuts. I mean, there's been no. improvement. And one of the reasons why. is the 1986 vaccine injury compensation. act, which gave immunity to any. liability to the. >> So they couldn't face any lawsuits. Right. >> Right. So the companies have no. incentives to make better, safer. products. >> and not only not to make better ones, but to save probably money on whatever. they're currently manufacturing anyway. because that's the way the business. works a lot of times. Um, why do you.

think that no politician wants to tackle. big pharma for real? You know, it's. always this thing that's kicked around, but it's I mean it's it's but no one. really does anything. >> Well, remember they don't want to touch. healthcare. Remember, no politician wants to touch. Medicare, Medicaid, um, drug drug. companies, big pharma, vaccines. Why. don't they want to touch healthcare? The. reason being is that health care is. about 17% of the gross domestic national.

product. We we spend more on GDP and. healthcare than any other country. It's. big business. Do you know that hospitals. are the leading employer in most middle. and smaller towns? Uh healthc care is. the leading employer of um single. mothers. >> Health care is so big. We spend so much. money taking care of each other. It's. literally it's a behemoth and people are. afraid to touch it because it's such a. political hot potato. You do anything.

that looks like you're anti-healthcare, anti vaccine, anti-drug company, anti-. nurses or anti- doctors, you're going. down. You're not getting reelected. >> I mean, and if you're a regular person, it's like you won't even work. If 17% of. our GDP is going through that canal, it's like a lot of people would be. afraid to speak up because they wouldn't. even be able to work. >> Oh, I'm wrong. It's 18.5. healthcare. spending accounted for about 18.5% US. GDP in 2025. Um, if we can't change it, h how do you avoid big pharma? Do you. feel like.

>> you know um. I've been impressed in the last six. years and I'm constantly collaborating. and I've always done this my entire. life. So I I I'm literally out of the. medical orthodoxy now. I used to I I was. I was the named endowed professor. lecture at Harvard in 2019. >> Wow. Harvard hasn't invited me back. You. I was a full professor of medicine where. I was in in Dallas, Texas. Um so I'm now. actually working with naturopathic and. and holistic and other doctors and uh.

one of them has particularly impressed. me where he said listen he said it's. nature first drugs last. so try to find natural solutions and if. you're willing to do this that means you. probably will be taking more supplements. and vitamins that you than you normally. would. It probably means you'll pay more. attention to diet and exercise than you. normally would, but you are. intentionally not going to have a.

reliance on drugs. >> Yeah. Yeah. And have some responsibility. for ourselves. Yeah. I mean, it almost. did I get to the point in my life where. it feels gross even like I mean. recreational drugs now that's different. But if I just have to take a pill for. something or it just it feels so cringe. to me now. even opening a pill bottle, it just feels like it has such a sour. taste in the world, I think, for a lot. of people these days. Um, >> but. >> but it also saves people's lives. There's also a lot of great medicines. out there.

>> Well, let me ask you this. What percent. of people make it to age 80. perfectly healthy without relying on any. drugs? >> Probably none. >> About 10%. It's possible. >> Okay. >> It's possible. I'm not one of them. I'm. 63 years old. I've had high blood. pressure since age 25. I mean, life-threatening high blood pressure. I. can't live without taking a blood. pressure pill every day. >> So, I'm not going to make it. >> This helps. >> I'm not going to make it. Yeah. Well, I. take I take some natural products as.

well. But the point is, I have people. come to my office saying, "Doc, I don't. want to take any medicines." I had. somebody like that yesterday. He's. already had a heart attack. He has. stances in his coronary arteries. I'm. taking it. I said, "Well, we're going to. do the best we can with the natural. products, but you know, I got to tell. you, if I was you, I would take the. prescription drugs." A lot of. prescription drugs are natural anyway, and they're just they're just in. purified form. Like aspirin is over the. counter, but it's a drug. It's derived. from uh the bark of birch trees. Um.

hydroxychloricquin, which we used in. COVID, but we used for malaria and for. rheumatoid arthritis, that's derived. from the bark of a chinchona tree. uh. ivormectin is uh derived from the soil. in Japan. It's produced by um another. organism. >> Why did those two drugs specifically. hydrochloricquin and ivormectin got such. a bad rap? If you read um Bobby. Kennedy's book about Dr. Fouchy, it kind. of it lays out how some of that was sort. of like pre-planned, how it was um how. it was lobbied against in certain. environments, it was taken off the.

shelves. When you look back on those two. medicines, what are your thoughts about. them? You know, I I think that. those who really really were in involved. in pandemic planning, uh even in the. John's Hopkins 2017, uh SPARS pandemic training exercise, there was a drug proposed and it was. going to generate confusion and in the. planning exercise, they kill the drug to. feature the vaccine. That was in 2017 in.

the open. I think it was essentially in. people's minds to say listen don't allow. any drugs to play a role here. We want. to feature mass vaccination as the. principle. So so hydroxychloricquin. killed in the first year second year. Ivormectin killed. We had IV monoconal. antibodies high-tech operation warp. speed. They were safe and effective. I. used them like crazy. They were taken. off the market rapidly. Six in a row. taken off the market. Cultureine super.

useful. again natural product but it's a. prescription drug it was absolutely. suppressed and crushed cortical steroids. were were uh uh great confusion over. those they were suppressed vitamin D. crushed uh Eric Neputy who ran a company. they the Federal Trade Commission sued. him and his company personally nasal. sprays and gargles they worked very well. in reducing the viral burden uh Nate. Jones at clear uh personally and his. company was sued by the Federal Trade.

Commission he was crushed So. >> for what? What was he crushed for? >> He was crushed. He was crushed for. >> proposing that we could use them, >> right? Yeah. Remember, people forget so. quick. Remember if you mentioned. anything, everybody was against you. It. would could be your neighbor. It was. like the news channels. This guy's. disag. >> Oh, for sure. >> So, but it's interesting that was in the. minds of people. So nasal sprays and. gargles, vitamin D, other forms of.

neutrauticals, hydroxycloricquin, ivormectin, monoconal antibodies, cultureine, cortical steroids. The. entire maka protocol was crushed. It. didn't matter if it was cheap, generic, or expensive, high-tech. >> That told you there was some type of. delusion about the vaccine being the. only. only approach. Remember paxlovid the. oral drug that comes in comes in two. years into the pandemic. In the first. year all we really had was McCulla.

protocol and hydroxychloricquin. The. second year we really had mcculla. protocol and ivormectin. So it got so. bad the FDA put out. you know flagrantly [snorts]. false information about ivormectin on. its website and and on Twitter all over. misleading information. The FDA is sued. by three doctors. and this goes through court proceedings. and finally the FDA says uh we'll take. down our false information. Why is our FDA putting out false.

information on ivormectin? It was. hurting people. I'm telling you as a. doctor and again I have the authority to. make this call. I've used it. I've. looked at all the clinical trials. I. understand clinical trials very well. I'm telling you Ivormectin is safe and. effective. >> I mean I've done a lot of drugs over the. years. I'd do a little probably. Um, was there anybody who was immune to like. any genetics or demographics. um or cultures that were immune to CO. 19?

>> There were a few papers uh indicating. that children were largely immune that. they had a lot of crossexposure with. other corona viruses almost no serious. cases in children. There was an. occasional child with cystic fibrosis or. some problem who got really sick but. children largely immune. school teachers. because they have so much there was no. uh significant spread of serious illness. from children to the school teachers. >> But no, was there any like was there any. like a Norwegian person couldn't get it. or was there like a um somebody from.

Zimbabwe like was there any like uh. >> there's one adult group you're going to. laugh but there's one adult group no. specific ethnicity or culture but you're. going to laugh smokers. >> Smokers couldn't get it. They got it. very mild cases and they don't get long. COVID. >> H. >> you know why? >> Why? >> Because smokers maintain a level of. nicotine in the bloodstream. They. actually smoke frequently enough. Blood. nicotine blocks the spike protein as.

it's uh interfacing with the nicotinic. uh acetylcholine receptor. Smoking blocks the spike protein. It's. amazing. I thought smokers were going to. go down. >> Well, who knows now then? All those. years of this all those smoking. advertisements ended up probably saving. people's lives 40 years later. >> Oh my god. Well, you know what? We use. now use we use a nicotine um patch 7. milligram patch even in non-smokers to. help them through long co. We use it in. addition to the makulla protocol.

>> I've seen people recommend that people. should just be on nicotine of like a. take a nicotine patch. Do you think. that's a good idea just on a regular. basis or is that just. >> I think if they have longco I. recommended to a patient yesterday if. they have longcoid um uh symptoms. Nicotine don't forget is a nootropic. A. nootropic um is a drug that does make. the brain function more effectively. It's it's a methylanthine. It's related. to caffeine. Caffeine does the same. thing as a noropic. So some people use. nicotine little packets or what have. you. I grew up in Texas, so you know,

there were kids were dip snuffing and. >> Oh, yeah. We used to chew that plug. tobacco, >> right? My dad was a chain smoker, but. nicotine itself is not it's addictive, but it's not harmful to the human body. And so is, by the way, caffeine's. addictive, but it's not harmful to human. body. What's harmful is the tars that's. in tobacco and smoke. That's why even. use the dip snuff that's related to oral. cancer. Now, the purified forms of. nicotine, my understanding is they're. safe. The nicotine patches are are.

perfectly safe. And there you go. >> Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. Um, right before we started, I heard you say. that the past like six years have been. very exciting in your life, right? Um. cuz it seems like does it feel like now. that you have more of a sense of purpose. um that you've kind of been put like at. the pinnacle of this um like being. somebody to raise their hand about hey. is this safe for us? Like um because. you're so often people look back like.

you look like at at movies that that. like champion a certain person and at. first that person was ridiculed and. ostracized. You know, that's always the. story. But it's so crazy. And then at. the end they're the champion and we loud. them as being like, "Thank God they. brave the rapids and they did this." But. then we'll see somebody in our present. lives who are trying to do the same. thing. And whether they're right or. wrong sometimes it's like I'm always. like that person's trying to do.

something different, right? Like that. person is speaking against the grain. How don't you think of all the movies. that we've seen where it's like that's. the beginning of the story? Um, so I. know that like the last 6 years of your. life have been wild. You said that. Um, what do you mean when you said that? And. have you just felt a lot more of a sense. of purpose? Um, do you feel more support. now than you did in the beginning? Tell. me tell me some of that before we uh get. you out of here. And thank you so much. The last six years of my life called me. to essentially adopt an entirely new.

area of medicine which is infectious. diseases and you know specifically the. the pandemic and everything about it. but has also in a sense thrust me into. the public limelight as a as a figure. And you'll be the first one to tell. people I didn't ask to come on your. show. No, no, not at all. >> I didn't ask to go on Joe Rogan and and. I didn't ask to go testify in the US. Senate. >> I'm being called.

to play a role in this enormous. controversy that's unfolded in the. world. And sadly, people did die of the. infection and even more people have died. of the vaccine now. And we still haven't. seen this whole story unfold. There seems to be a group think, a. madness that we saw evolve regarding. fear, masks, lockdowns, hand sanitizer,

vaccines. We don't know what's coming next. But I. can tell you this infectious group think. it does occur among doctors and nurses. and health care professionals. I I I. think they're very susceptible to this. something has happened in the human mind. and we need we we need to have a lot. more discussion on this. We have to be. able to to um call meetings and have. people come together. If our government. can do anything, they just have to bring. together the orthodoxy the the the the.

innovators and the thinkers outside. Remember in the time of a controversy. and a crisis, the answer never comes. from within the establishment. Never. Never. Previously, the establishment for. for centuries and centuries was the. church. And when there's a crisis, the. church didn't provide a solution. You. can tell governments all over the world. did not provide a solution to the. pandemic. But individuals did. And.

fortunately, wellness company, we got. like-minded people. We formed an entire. company. We've been very successful. Um, but here we are. So, I must have been. called to play a role in this time of. great controversy. And it's been so. great to be on your show. >> Yeah, Dr. McCulla, thank you so much. And thank you so much for just being uh. brave enough to speak up and to think. out loud. Like that's what we, you know, it's like so many times during this. conversation, I've just realized like. how we slowly just get like molded into. the like kind of folded into the batter.

We don't even realize it, you know? [laughter] So, um, yeah, thank you so. much for joining us today. Uh, yep. I'm. going to grab something from the. wellness company and um, yeah, I'd love. to chat again sometime and see how. things are going. >> All right. Thanks for having me. >> And I feel I'm falling like these. leaves. I must be corner stone. Oh, but when [music] I reach that. ground, I'll share this piece of mind I. found. I can feel it in my bones.

But it's going to take.