Dr. David Perlmutter | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #187

today's episode is brought to you by. gray block pizza in Los Angeles. sometimes you'll you open your mouth and. there's nothing in there yeah well. what's that all about. change it up gray block pizza 18:11 Pico. Boulevard in Los Angeles get that hitter. you know every now and then an older man. will come into your life and uh kind of. teach you a little bit about yourself. you know teach you a little bit of. something teach how your skin feels a. little bit you know what I'm talking. about.

teach you what's going on inside of your. body deep in there and that's what I'm. talking about today a lot of times if. you think about your stomach what the. [ __ ] is going on with it. so here today we have a beautiful man. and he's the author of the book grain. brain now he's a scientific kind of guy. so you know he in a juggle for us bro. but he'll definitely he has more. knowledge than I do and so that's why. I'm excited that he is here today he's.

the author of grain brain which has more. than 1 million copies in print ladies. and gentlemen dr. Perlmutter. [Music]. [Music]. so what is gluten dr. Perlmutter what is. it. so gluten is a protein it's found in. wheat barley and rye okay.

and it's the rage right now and gosh we. wrote about it five years ago in grain. brain and at that point that was pretty. darn disruptive I want to tell you that. people suddenly you know you threaten. give us our day give us this day our. daily bread and people have a conniption. people trip out all my Jewish buddies. first started tripping they were like. the first friend that said they make. gluten-free matzah well they started. Luke like they were like losing it and. so then I was like what's going on here. you know and I mean I've read more about.

it in your book but I just wanted to. hear like for a layman's like you know. like what if I saw gluten somewhere what. I know it's gluten no that's the thing. it's hidden in foods it's you know you. find it in condiments and ketchup you. find it all over the place. it's tricky it's like almost like um. who's that serial killer that they'd. have said that documentary come out. about I don't know but it's healthy it's. that Ted Bundy of uh oh gosh of the. bread program really I'm gonna have to. let you own that one. I'm not gonna go there but but that's it. I wouldn't say it as aggressive as Ted.

Bundy but having said that it's it's. sinister it lurks in the background and. you know when you face all of the. chronic degenerative conditions that we. face now in this world the World Health. Organization tells us that chronic. degenerative conditions are the number. one cause of death on planet Earth we. have to ask ourselves what's the. mechanism there and the mechanism is. inflammation. okay what's causing inflammation high. sugar diet not enough fat things like. gluten food allergies those things.

literally have to come off the table now. I was written in your book that um and. this is this blew me away that people. who have diabetes are twice as likely to. have Alzheimer's let's contextualise. that okay we live in a country where 5.4. million of us have already been. diagnosed with Alzheimer's yeah number. one number two there's no treatment none. whatsoever. and matter of fact in November of 1870. mout in JAMA the Journal of the American.

Medical Association showing that the. drugs that doctors are using to treat. Alzheimer's are actually making them. worse well as opposed to neutral they're. actually declining more quickly so how. is that even a thing okay anybody could. make up that drug I'm a-gettin or worse. I would say what you just said that's. the whole show how is that a thing think. about it I mean yet you know there it's. proved by the FDA it's useless and in. fact making people words and people are. spending a billion dollars in America. yeah to buy these drugs putting their.

faith into these drugs to help mom or. dad or husband or wife and I've been. there I've been there with my dad who. died about sighs yeah it was like yeah. my stepfather has it you know my mother. has two and it's horrible and it's. mostly preventable right and that's what. we shout about we shout about what you. said is that diabetes is related okay. you know when 80 million Americans are. diabetic or pre-diabetic it's not a. genetic issue all of a sudden that just.

happened the past 50 years it's because. we've trained changed our diet now we're. eating more sugar and this is a disease. of sugar and refined carbohydrates and. less fat and all of a sudden everybody. becomes diabetic that may increase your. risk for an untreatable illness. Alzheimer's two to fourfold Wow then. you're really screwed so that's really. so if you have that in your family I. mean this these are really things you. need to look out for because Alzheimers. can take when does it usually kind of. strike people out armours the beginning.

stages of Alzheimer's what sets the. stage for when you can't figure out. what's going on around you happens in. your 20s and 30s. that's your audience and that's a very. important concept yeah that it's not. when you're my age and you suddenly. can't remember the grandchildren's names. and you name it because that's what we. think it is I bet that's idea you're. already down the road yeah we a lot of. literature shows that if you look at. markers of inflammation in the blood. they predict Alzheimer's 30 years ahead.

of time well and how do you get. inflammation markers in blood you eat. the wrong diet so it's not like. you know people say I had a heart attack. well it sound like you're walking on the. street minding your own business and. then all of a sudden this thing attacks. you either that's lightning yeah that's. it that's lightning right heart attack. happens because you ate the wrong foods. you didn't exercise you have some. genetic issues etc you set the stage for. a heart attack you set the stage for. Alzheimer's and I'm here to tell your. audience that there are changes to make.

today yeah to lower your risk because. when you get there when you get to a. place where the doctor finally says. you've got this there's nothing you can. do yeah so yeah so it's one of those. things you have to start early yep and I. said 20s and 30s well when do you start. setting the stage for diabetes. adolescence childhood you said it when. you're born actually the changes begin. went before you're even born when you're. in utero depending on mother's lifestyle.

choices has a huge role to play on. whether you're going to be diabetic. whether you're going to be overweight. which is a risk factor as well Wow. so so I'm just thinking of myself like. you know if I'm just hearing this you. know like a lot cuz a lot of our. listeners are twenty in their 20s and. 30s and you know some of them may be. diabetic may not but they're usually a. lot of good people a lot of active. people that want to make their lives. better overall that seems to be our. audience so what are like some easy ways. out of the gate that you think you know.

um is it just a rich thing as sometimes. I feel like just the rich can be able to. you know really have an insight it's. just the rich because you have to buy. something right yeah you got to go out. and buy a new pair of sneakers really. now I don't know how rich you have to be. or you get them out of a bin whatever. you need to do or you go barefoot the. bottom line is step one is you got to. exercise you got to get moving you got. to get your butt off the off the couch. and you've got to get at least 20 to 30. minutes a day of aerobics add some. resistance exercise of that fine but you.

got to get your heart rate up and - what. number I don't know I usually tell. people 180 - your age do the math and. you can't do the math and you really. need to exercise you gotta move other. crews you bet you do and why do you want. to exercise well the relationship. between exercise if you look at the. epidemiology of it shows those people. who have higher rates of exercise have. lower rates of. but beyond that exercise changes gene. expression and codes for the body to.

produce a chemical called BDNF that. tells your brain to grow new brain cells. who knew you know when I was I hate to. say when I was your age but when I was. your age we were told that we were given. a certain number of brain cells and then. as we every beer we drank 30,000 a. whatever was you whose X number of brain. cells coke cuz we didn't know that you. grow new brain cells yeah how do you. grow new brain cells by exercising by. taking a fish oil supplement by using. turmeric in your cooking this turns on.

the gene pathway you can change your. gene expression grow new brain cells and. and stave off Alzheimer's what's so hard. about what I'm saying here right it's. really basic and so do you think there's. like a psychology to like sometimes. whenever you get into a path in life. whether it's an eating pattern or and. you know it's detrimental you know that. the end is heck doesn't end well is. there some term for a psychology that.

makes you stay in that path almost out. of spite or something you know there are. a lot of terms one is mindset okay that. your mind is set in fact I had leaned up. at the interview this morning and the. question was how does mindset come into. play for health health decisions your. mind isn't set you can change your mind. and the more you change your mind and. then do the right thing the better that. pathway becomes the more reinforcing it. will be the other thing I talk about is. Inconvenient Truth you know Al Gore. talked about the Incas the climate.

change men are yeah I did a CBS this. morning program a couple of months ago. and they said no dr. Perlman has a new. book there's a new book talking about. gluten and carbs and all that but we. reached out to the sugar industry and. they told us we should eat more sugar. because decades of research and in my. mind it was hashtag why that's fantastic. hashtag WTF right why that's fantastic. yeah okay good so in my might and then. then the lady gets on she said this.

morning I had well last night I had. truffles because they're in season. truffle pasta with a jelly filled donut. or. and again it's an inconvenient truth. what I'm saying to your audience today. is an inconvenient truth why cuz we all. have a sweet tooth oh you all would love. to eat sweet dude duh it's comfort food. because it stimulates the part of the. brain for instant reward dopamine surge. and your momentarily content but oddly. enough that diet distances you from the.

executive center of the brain that lets. you make better decisions plan for the. future be more compassionate and. empathetic for yourself for the next. person and for the planet Wow so the. more we distance ourselves from. impulsivity the better decisions we'll. make we'll get on an exercise regimen. we'll stay on it and we'll choose to eat. better foods that will enhance that. feed-forward that's really interesting. because be so because impulse is that. it's that it's almost just like that. it's like that dirty magnet that's in us.

and it just wants whatever the kurt. whatever the easiest quickest hit is. done and then you need more of it Rachid. need more of it because it's a dopamine. surge stimulates the opiate receptors in. your brain done. you know you you've done your thing and. now you need more and the more you do it. the more that receptor needs to be. stimulated and so choice is almost. behind impulse a little bit I mean it's. right there with it but it's almost a. gift or outride the impulse I feel like. exactly a bit for a second and then be.

able to that's what I feel for me it's. like okay I just need a second and make. a choice the moment you just did that. well you just did Theo is you stopped. dealing and and responding to your. amygdala brain your reptilian brain that. said I'm gonna eat this a sugar lizard. conscious guy and instead I'm gonna. decide that one moment is all the. difference in the world I'm gonna think. about do I really want to eat this do I. really want to whatever the addiction. may be yeah but I really wanted to this. and now make a more sophisticated more.

human rational decision to not do it. you've broken the spell you can move. forward Wow and does that get easier. over time do absolutely we talked about. the growth of new brain cells yeah the. same chemical brain derived neurotrophic. factor BDNF that you get from exercise. okay stimulates what we call. neuroplasticity. that allows you to connect to that part. of your brain so these things then stick. and the more they stick the better you. get at it's like learning to hit a. tennis ball and then the better you feel.

about them does that impulse ever switch. to the other yes we need the other. impulse you need the other impulse. because when you're back in your car out. of the driveway and your mind sees in. the backup camera a little kid on her. bike you hit the brake yeah you don't. think well I probably a good idea to. write the old brake pedal because this. is gonna turn out bad so that's when the. lizard really helped you bet you need. that you need that impulsive activity to. make the right decision quickly but you.

don't need it when you're trying to. figure out what foods to buy in the. grocery store can I make an excuse and. not exercise today you know exercise is. something that we don't have to we don't. want to find time for it we want to make. time for it if you have to find time you. said well I'll squeeze it in between. such and such and such and such and then. those things suddenly take over a little. more time you didn't exercise you didn't. meditate you didn't take time to make. the food that's good for you ate some. crap that you you know fast food yeah. you know I'm thinking is not good then. it's like are you know it's really we're.

kind of in a tough it's a tough system. it's like we've created this you know. this sort of I don't know if it's a. comfort society or or what it is but. it's I mean the system that we're in in. a lot of places now I'll say in LA it's. easier it's very easier it's much easier. for me to stay healthier here it really. is then if I'm back in other place like. I'm from Louisiana if I'm there it is. tough for like you know sometimes it's. just tougher sathya my team said you got.

to watch these a couple of his podcast. for it come on your show right and I I. got a tie this is there's no segue here. whatsoever but that's what this is about. right and I didn't know what to expect. but I'm enjoying the heck out of this is. great are you oh absolutely. good man yeah well look I'm super. curious me one of the main reason we'll. get to it is you know I take. antidepressants and a lot of times I get. tired of you know it makes me feel like. there's this you know there's something. that's not natural that's out there.

that's added disconnect this this. to me this yeah this this chain you know. it's like almost I'm a slave in a way to. it a lot of times and eventually maybe. one day I would like to maybe not take. them now I'm not asking you for that you. know direction now but I do think I. start thinking well where my other. brains in my body you know and so then I. start thinking about my stomach you know. it's almost shaped in a way like you. know it's you know your organs are. almost like in a way for to me or in my.

imagine it's a way I work off of. imagination first kind of it kind of is. like a brain something well how can I. learn more about like what I put in my. stomach that could then affect how my. brain behaves and so then I was talking. to my producer Nick and I was like we. got to get somebody that knows about. this so that I can learn more about it. you know and so that's basically where I. started thinking about you know about. having you on and then I only read about. 60 pages of grain brain but it was. really fascinating to me even in that.

little bit of time I found some things. that are really interesting and so I'm. glad you're today so I can talk to you. about them well who knew yeah I mean who. knew that food has such an effect on. every aspect of our lives let me get. back to the imagination part cuz I was. really taken by that you know. imagination is only a manifestation of. connecting things that really happened. right you know your reality comes. together to form imagination and in many. ways interesting well it is I mean.

you're a new your neurologist first. right first I'm I think that assessment. and father okay there you go. there we go that's good but yeah I'm in. neurology so so you know about the brain. I know a little bit about the brain yeah. who knew yeah but I would say that so. imagination it is sort of like what. happens during sleep so during sleep we. connect real events real memories and. form and we measure them against each. other we form new ideas right so. imagination is based upon your reality.

things that you have experienced or have. imagined in the past those things were. based on things that you have. experienced Wow and let's get back to we. this connection of the gut to the brain. not just the stomach right which. interesting I've never heard anybody say. was shaped you were about to say and. don't put words your mouth looks like. the brain a little yeah. yeah maybe if I didn't say yeah so are. pecans. yeah good wall huh - right but but that. said depression is an inflammatory.

disorder now I want that to sink in it's. a disease characterized by higher levels. of chemicals in your body that relate to. a process called inflammation yeah now. you're familiar with inflammation you. get bitten by a mosquito your hand gets. inflamed yeah but those same. inflammatory chemicals are upped amped. up in your body in relation to. depression relation to Alzheimer's. autism Parkinson's coronary artery. disease diabetes cancer all those things. have inflammation along inflammatory.

disorders Wow which are so fundamentally. related to not just your gut and things. going on there knowing that your gut. bacteria determine what is called the. set point of inflammation in your body. but even more importantly to your food. choices because you have to understand. you know they say that when a woman is. pregnant she has to be careful now she's. eating for two yeah I've heard that Theo. you're eating for a hundred trillion. right as of the future month its semen. all of that know your gut bacteria oh I.

see what you're saying. so they're eating what you had for. breakfast today oh those hundred. trillion bacteria floating around your. gut what's yo gonna eat today and is it. is it a fiber rich good food that we're. gonna be thrilled about we're gonna. replicate we're gonna put out great. chemicals we're gonna control the. production of his brain chemistry right. yeah that's fascinating we'll get back. to that because you mentioned that. earlier that the things you eat affect. emotionally how you're able to be to. relate to other people is that actually.

that research was done right here in LA. dr. Amer and Mayer did some of the. pioneering work on that you write that. down Tamra Mayer and made guy to have on. the show Cameron. you owe me one Wow because so I could. potentially be able to love people. better and learn about myself better if. I eat better I will tell you without a. doubt so here's what we need to craft. for you we need to craft for you a diet. that reduces inflammation yeah. fundamentally we reveal enflamed well.

why do we see other. inflammatory disorders along with. depression why do we see skin. inflammation joint inflammation those. types of things. obesity which is an inflammatory. disorder the inflammation comes from fat. cells Wow. so why do these things all happen why do. we see gross disturbances of gut. bacteria because they're all related so. the trick then for you and any of the. other 47 million 27 million Americans. are suffering from depression what do we.

offer up we offer up a diet that's lower. in its ability to produce inflammation. okay and that is a diet that's lower in. sugar lower and refined carbs but has. fiber which is a carbohydrate. fundamental point here people say I'm. going on a low-carb diet and they ditch. the fiber because it's a carb by. definition right it's a last thing in. the world you want to do you want to. nurture your gut bacteria don't get rid. of the fiber you need that and dare I.

say eat more fat eat olive oil avocado. oil avocados nuts and seeds grass-fed. beef wild fish get good fat calm the. fire who knew now if you really want to. push it and you're you look like you. probably want to push it right I think. so I don't know well let's find out how. old are you I'm 38 okay third your. birthday's tomorrow yep my birthday's. tomorrow be 39 why are you I'm gonna be. 39 tomorrow okay so you do you want to. look into Quito you really want to look.

into the ketogenic diet would do you a. world of good but be sure and to any of. your listeners viewers who are thinking. key or key toward doing keto you've got. to eat the fiber or you'll get. constipated you'll have digestive issues. and you gotta use potassium and. magnesium or you'll get the keto flu. okay so many people bail on the keto. diet because they don't do those two. things okay so so you're saying so a way. to kind of to start in the fast track. some of the things that you've been.

talking about that will help your system. and my system great pun there fast track. you want a fast yeah yeah you want a. fast oh you want a fast you want a fast. do you want it fast well for all them. first time because I'm slow so I have to. go through. I'm sure a lot quicker maybe there they. always say I'm repeating stuff but so so. a keto diet that we also add potassium. and magnesium supplements now that could. be vitamins we could get those in a. store yeah I mean there are things there. online brands that you can get and.

that's okay to add to it with the kids. don't have to so a keto diet with those. and then also fiber now can that fiber. be a supplement as well or does the. fiber I always choose food first okay. all right so if we're talking about. magnesium let's be a little bit. technical here so chlorophyll was what. makes things green hmm the center of the. chlorophyll molecule right is magnesium. so anything green that you eat has. magnesium and that's okay way to know so. you want to get diversity you want to. get lots of color you want to eat a lot.

of vegetables they have a lot of fiber. if you really want the right kind of. fiber for your gut bacteria you use what. is called prebiotic fiber that's onions. garlic sleet's. leeks chicory root oh that's in. Louisiana all the call very girly in it. that they dilute it in the day. especially in World War two but. dandelion green but you can go to the. health food store and say stand at the. counter say I want some prebiotic fiber. I'm not saying probiotics prebiotics and. they have prebiotic fiber that's made.

from acacia gum that's the tree in. Africa it secretes this gum sustainably. harvested it's the best prebiotic you. can find dang organic it secretes it's. got us twice chewed then if you get it. you know hmm I guess it might be a bad. joke oh but we do though is we can put a. list of like a basic kind of starter set. up a diet in this under this you tube. that would be I think really helpful to. people but let's talk about more that. involves inflammation yeah yeah but you. can leverage for depression okay okay so.

one do everything we can tie it is key. okay exercise twenty minutes of aerobics. a day key being on schedule is really. very important trying to do the same. thing every day that you possibly can. not just what you eat but when you eat. try to eat your last food at least three. hours before you go to bed okay yeah so. you want to be sleeping on your sleeping. digesting during. times that you're awake you want to make. sure you're getting good restorative.

sleep like eight hours a night that. would be really important and dare I say. you want to limit stress and what does. it mean everybody's talking about I want. to limit stress so I don't do certain. things I don't engage in certain things. stress can be watching the evening news. stress can be on social media where. we're being told we're not good enough. yeah because social media pounds you. with ideology that we're not measuring. up that everybody else's life is better. you look at their Instagram posts. they're having the best time why is my. life not so great so stop comparing.

ourselves to other people that will look. that's the biggest stress inducer I. think of in our modern time so get. that's an Austin of this merry-go-round. where everybody else looks like their. have I got news for it they honored. right they're all having a great time. their lies are wonderful they aren't if. they're not sharing the truths a lot of. times yeah which would probably if they. did it might even alleviate some. people's stress to know that that we. aren't the same do you really so you. really yeah I guess in your lifetime.

you've probably seen and I don't think. you're much older than me but I bet in. your lifetime that you've seen has that. really shocked you the the way that. social media stuff has has become that. much of a stressor absolutely and I'm. I'm a lot older than you I'm 64 so you. look good for 64 I'm trying yeah. it has shocked me and my son Austin. Pearlman are also an MD to the extent. that we've written a book about it well. and that's coming out in January of 2020. called brainwash a we're calling.

attention to this issue and B we're. providing the response what you can do. to offload this stuff yeah how you could. sleep better. why exercise is important how the food. that you eat speaks to your genes giving. your genes information to reduce. inflammation or increase inflammation. your choice based upon what you eat but. to identify this very obvious way that. we are being manipulated on social media. and in our digital world not just for.

producing this feeling of low self-worth. but providing the the quick clickbait. answer to satisfy look. I'm overweight by this thing lose weight. quickly and all these ideas feel quick. and sudden that's redundant ways to. satisfy ourselves getting back to the. impulsive 'ti part of the brain where. we're saying look stop if you think you. need to buy stuff every day on Amazon. because that makes you feel better stop. wait 24 hours and then buy it if this is.

a quick fix for your problem take a deep. breath and but don't be misled by what. you're seeing on digital media as to. what your value is hmm so Facebook. shouldn't determine Theo's value what. you think of yourself right you talk. about depression what goes on in terms. of manipulating your online choices is a. situation that absolutely creates. depression and so like give me an.

example of that so what goes on is like. like the things that I do online and how. I behave on there and what I see on. there you mean can immediately make me. feel a certain way absolutely because. what it's doing is its catering your. brain to continued relationship with the. amygdala the reptilian brain immediate. response you feel bad about yourself for. this by that and you're done. you've satisfied that you get the. dopamine hit as soon as it arrives the. next day on Amazon Prime or they drop it. into backyard with a drone or however. the near new way of you satisfying that.

urge and then it came and you suddenly. realize I need more it's I'm not content. whereas contentment means you have. enough yeah that's the prefrontal cortex. you have achieved a place where you. don't need more you've achieved a place. of happiness of empathy and compassion. for other people of being able to calm. yourself and make appropriate decisions. about your life and meet make decisions.

about your life and about caring for. your neighbor about caring for people. who are different than you are and about. caring for the planet Wow. so that kr it's amazing that so much. emotion can come from from what we eat. and then it can I could definitely see. how like if you had less inflammation. you'd probably so less inflammation. means less. yes absolutely okay and so let's stress. of course you then you're going to be. it's gonna be easier for you to be. patient with someone it's gonna be.

easier for you to be more understanding. it's gonna be easier for you to to take. that extra second to like kind of make a. choice so you're not just being that. reptile but it sounds it seems like all. the advertising and everything these. days were like catapulting humanity. towards just using that reptilian brain. that's right so we've got to stop that. do you think we can I'm gonna do my best. and our an Austin Perlmutter is doing.

his best to put the information out. brainwash about what people can do and. you know one other really important part. of the program is reconnecting with. nature and that can be having a plant in. writing you when you're doing a podcast. or can be walking in nature and. breathing better air what about candles. even unnoticed when I have candles. around that I feel so much different. than when I no candles are a visual we. were attracted to fire it's very calming. but in addition there are sense of.

candles which hopefully are natural and. that's one of another reason that. forests being in the forest really. reconnect us that's a very deep and. primitive part of our brain that you're. activating yeah man it's crazy to think. kind of like just where we're headed. then you know I read in your book that. there's like sometimes you think like. okay I'm having this thing that my. ancestors had this primitive sort of. diet and it was about wheat a part of it. was about a wheat or something but that. the wheat that we have now is nothing.

like the act the wheat that they had. then well and I might be paraphrasing. let's put in perspective our ancestors. didn't have wheat okay so wheat only. came into the picture 14,000 years ago. to be generous mm-hmm. which means for ninety nine point six. percent of our time walking this planet. we didn't have wheat Wow. we didn't have barley we didn't have any. of that stuff I mean that's when. agriculture began and you know the the. size of the buret our brain increased.

threefold from two million years ago up. until about 14,000 years ago and then a. stop. then it's declined 10% so yes so think. about that so you know everybody pray. that's correct. ready credits agriculture with you know. with all these great events advances in. humanity you know the development of. cities and and our social true social. networking but in reality it has. represented the greatest change in human.

diet ever so you know that's sort of. segues to the so called paleo movement. and yeah I think to grasp that you. really have to understand that food is. information what do I mean by that that. the foods you eat yeah it nurtures your. gut bacteria we talked about that which. is hugely important in and of itself but. it also sends important information. about your environment to your DNA you. are controlling the expression Wow DNA. based upon the foods that you eat so if.

I eat healthy stuff I'm letting my DNA. know that I'm in a healthy environment. and that everything is okay and your DNA. creates antioxidants right it helps. Hills out it's a bi it makes chemicals. to grow more brains yes and it makes you. feel better about the world whereas if I. have two boxes at art and Tiny's and. then my DNA says Jesus Christ. I don't know tart and tiny just like a. um it sounds back an e not a turtle tiny. didn't grow in nature yeah sweet tart.

sweet tart yeah for this or sugar. tootsie rolls yeah you know you reach. them back Milk Duds. mekka wait dude that's crazy. ROH I know we should take a poetic Basel. but so when you do that you eat that. food so you have the artificial colors. artificial flavors lots and lots of. sugar yeah that sends signals to your. DNA that amplifies the production of. inflammatory chemicals reduces your.

production of antioxidants and. compromises your detox pathways so. you're eating poison and at the same. time you're compromising your ability to. get rid of poison so you're setting. yourself up for disaster now when can. you have some poison like wink can you. like sometimes look man I've been on a. flight to New York and I'm. by that Dunkin Donuts brah gotta have. one you know I can't even and they got. the lake over there look out ladies. there's a lot of advertising three or.

four different colors rim them bright I. want you two to realize to take a step. back and think that that's playing on. you that's playing on that quick. dopamine surge are they kidding it was. in charge that lizard that's what you. asked yourself what I do look for a. mirror look your self in the mirror look. in your eyes and ask yourself one. question who's in charge gonna larry. dunk and usually bra go straight right. at me okay don't get me though a lot of. times things don't get me but can you.

celebrate once in a while mean you can't. absolutely I mean do you ever celebrate. like who have a birthday cake if it's. someone's birthday not so much right. that you know my cells didn't know that. it's your birthday tomorrow they don't. know that yesterday was st. Pat whatever. is like holiday your everyday could be a. holiday I'm sure every somebody's. birthday every day right yeah your cells. don't know it's Thanksgiving or. Christmas they don't take the day off. right so again you know from my. perspective having dealt with patients.

and their maladies for all these years. having having dealt with a father who. died of an illness that's related to. lifestyle choice and my mother as well. as a cigarette smoker I realized that. your choices matter all lack of a lot. when Theo says you look younger than 64. I'm thinking keep at it you know stay. with it yeah and but beyond that get the. message out do the best you can to get. the message out for other people because. people are absolutely struggling yeah.

you walk through that airport whatever. time it is you look at what people look. like a most people are overweight yeah. and look awful and be they're not happy. yeah and see what I've learned and what. was motivation for this new book is. people are lonesome and unconnected yeah. that's we talk about a lot in here do. what we we can to let people feel. comfortable with reconnecting to others. who are different from them who look. different whose ideas are different and. we stop we listen to what that person. has to say you know you ever heard this.

saying you know it you if you're going. to. judge somebody you have to walk a mile. in their shoes before you say something. about yeah you know why they say that. because then when you judge them you're. already a mile away right and you have. their shoes you know I like that how. where do you go we're doing that I. stumped you yeah I think I am stumped so. now you talked about prebiotics earlier. and we'll put a we'll put a couple of. those on and you can go to your health.

store and ask what they are so you. recommended for kind of not a fast track. but to get started in a place that would. have a diet that is better for you that. would cause less stress and cause less. inflammation in your body would be a. keto diet with magnesium and potassium. supplements and some prebiotics that. would be a great start lots of fiber. yeah now after you to start this what. are signs that you could look for that. it's having an effect in your life and. that happens quickly why are usually a. couple of weeks you wake up refreshed.

you want to open the curtains and let. the light in so many things that we. could talk about in terms of that keep. that in mind but people feel better more. energetic clearer of mind you know a lot. of people don't realize they're a bit. foggy until suddenly the fog I've. realized that all the time yeah. sometimes I'm like man what is it's like. there's this kind of smog in my head and. it really feels physically like that. like a very thin smoke helmet exactly. and I don't use drugs or alcohol well in. in the day we used to listen to FM radio.

a lot yeah. and now everything is course digital but. it on an FM on FM radio you'd be driving. your car and if there is lightning you. couldn't even see if it was way out in. the distance somewhere that would strike. you would hear it on the radio that the. music would be interrupted you hear the. sound and that's what inflammation does. to your thought process when you've got. high levels of inflammation in your body. it's like that lightning going off in. the background and the music gets. interrupted so when the inflammation. starts to get toned down your memory. improves and you start to see things.

clearly the fog will lift what happens. quickly then the weight loss begins and. people look at the mirror and notice. their face looks better people comment. the you go to your next belt loop hole. in your belt and and people start to. feel better and it doesn't take long and. what's good about that is. let's say takes two weeks that is. self-reinforcing I'm doing it I'm. finally I'm not doing it how good is. that I am not on a diet it's not X Y Z. diet we buy a book or go on whatever it.

is I don't have to go to meetings I'm. just eating the right foods my body is. responding because your body wants to be. healthy yeah it wants to resist disease. your brain wants to work your brain. wants to resist disease and your mood I. think your body your brain wants you to. be happy yeah you were gifted this. lifetime and you were gifted I believe. the the desire and the ability to enjoy. life and not be depressed yeah. depression happens when things line up.

and then it's feed-forward the more. depressed you are the less likely you. are to exercise the less likely you are. to make the right food choices yeah. with all due respect the more likely you. are to give in to Dunkin Donuts or. whatever else is bombarding your mind. with ideas that this is what you should. do for that immediate surge that glazed. doughnut that's going to give you that. dopamine surge that then stimulates your. endogenous opiate receptors and I.

believe that that is a big player in. terms of opiate addiction that we. constantly bombard ourselves with first. the dopamine surge all right it then. makes these opiate receptors want more. already and of course then there's. opiates. there's opioids yeah they're they're. ready mailing snackable snack-sized now. me yeah back in the day you to smoke. opium you know and now they got a little. snack they got the may pills yeah vape. in practically I mean I'm surprised. opioid hadn't come out with a and there.

a and I like the 8c products that are. shaped like pacifiers what is the signal. we're sending to children their infants. yeah I mean that's certainly an adult. play toy Oh toddlers are sleeping for. three days on some of these pacifiers. you know I want to get back to here. really great the kids sleep in. everything's good we can go home at. least have a kid we go over to his house. his boy Jeff Soviet and they had a gas. leak in their house right and nobody. ever knew and we would go over there and. go to sleep we'd sleep on Friday we go. to sleep on Friday night like 2:00 a.m. you.

we get up Sunday morning man we'd sleep. for like 32 hours we had no idea that. they had a whatever kind of gas that is. you know when I hold Jeff so VIX doing. these days. I don't know where he is an actually. I've tried to text him and call him so I. wish you would reach back Jeff is out. there baby. we didn't update do we would sleep. forever man his whole family be asleep. you walk by his mom we making a salad to. just be on comments really like yeah. they had like a I guess it's carbon. monoxide or something something in their. house usually it's it's a pretty much. more aggressive kind of event that.

happens with carbon monoxide as opposed. to going on for year after year but. could be yeah it must been it might have. been like a slow leak or whatever but. yeah but it was relaxing but anyway we. had mentioned about you know you wake in. the morning throw open the curtains get. a lot of light in and I do so you'll. naturally start to do that oh yeah Wow I. I think the light story is something we. can touch on since we're there there's. not huge segues here ya know we don't. and sometimes we never know how these. conversation to go it's like sometimes. it's you know you just never know and. that's what our list that's what podcast. listeners and I enjoys a listener is.

just you know two people talk and they. don't know each other and and you know. one of them having information about. something in one of them not you know. well I'd say that you know we're just. really getting a handle on how circadian. rhythms affect the human body right and. we be you know we're really realize that. every cell in our body is response to. the circadian day circa around dia day. okay Hadean rhythm that it's all of. ourselves including our gut bacteria. respond to various times of the day.

there's a great book called their. circadian code by dr. Sachin Panda great. be a great guest for you but nonetheless. I mean he talks about how it's really. important for us a Matthew Walker to for. his book why we sleep mm-hmm oh yeah I. actually read about half of that book on. Joe Rogan I think yeah yeah but about. you know that we need to have blue light. during the day that we should get out. and experience blue light really have. exposure to to bright sunlight because.

that really will tamp down melatonin and. then in the evening time we want to back. down off blue light significantly and. where are we getting blue light I mean. these LEDs are we're loading ourselves a. blue light. we are but we don't want to do that at. nighttime because that would suppress. melatonin and keep us from getting. restorative sleep very underrated in. terms of how important that is for you. for reducing cortisol surges for. reducing inflammation so getting what we. call salubrious or restorative sleep is.

incredibly important and it's underrated. I mean you spend a third of your life. hopefully sleeping yeah and what about. this melatonin supplements those are. okay to take I think they are yeah but I. would say before we supplement it would. be good to do it more naturally right. and recognize what is it that allows. melatonin to be present or absent and. it's mostly blue light light so that get. a lot of blue light in the daytime. evening comes around you want to back. down if you're gonna be on your computer. or looking at your iPhone or whatever.

phone you may have you put on Amber. glasses because I blocked blue light and. is very very helpful in terms of. allowing your brain then to make more. melatonin allowing you to get some. restorative sleep now yeah you may have. sleep apnea you may have periodic leg. movements that are waking you up but. yeah the legs I do I got checked for the. sleep at me I don't have it yeah but you. may have leg movements that wake you up. so you're getting into deep sleep but. then your legs start to move around you. get into a lighter stage of sleep that's. not as restorative how would you know. yeah that's where I've spent a lot of.

time yes you may not know that that's. why you get a sleep study you go into a. lab and they went there. yeah and it's it's a little odd it was. craziest it was flirting with me this. was that light I had a guy started. crying yes like we're dying. I know knee and they got cameras. watching but anyway it's worth doing I. mean you know there is are there other. things like the aura ring is a great. thing I'm gonna hope get mine in the. next couple of weeks and raise that and. or ring you put on your hand you wear it. all the time measures your level of.

activity but is able to measure the. depth and quality of your sleep you wake. up in the morning this thing downloads. into your phone and tells you hey you. got X number of hours in this stage of. sleep in that stage of sleep and then. you know you work with it seems reliable. that piece actually I'm interviewing the. president of that found God you weren't. good the founder of that company next. week and gonna learn more about it so. I'm very excited about it. yeah there anything that you can learn. that can hack your body and give you.

tools I'm all about I'm gonna do that I. mean that's going on we have so much. information yeah I think get your. 23andme or other online a company. that'll give you a report of your genome. you need that information you can do. great stuff with once you take that data. download it to one of many different. sites I recently downloaded mine to. found my fitness that's Rhonda Patrick. great site and I learned stuff about. myself that I think is really important. I learned for example that I don't.

metabolize or use B vitamins very. effectively I have to have a special. type of B vitamin called methylated B. vitamins I never would have known it Wow. so who knew and but do you find that. like sometimes I worry that get like the. information like sometimes you use an. app when I go run or something and. getting that information it takes the. joy out of doing the task do you ever. find that is that just some way my brain. is no no I think there's been a lot of. pushback and I think there has to be.

some level of temperance as it relates. to that I mean I don't run with an app. hmm I don't run with us a special watch. and so I don't know unless I'm training. for an event having said that I do want. to know my miles my minutes per mile. right. but otherwise I don't get involved in. that I do like to listen to music so I. find that really helpful or podcast when. I'm running but I think that you people. can overdo it there's there's been. pushback with a lot of these things that. measure all these parameters that it's.

way too much it's information overload. right but I will say that knowing your. genome once is a good bit of information. to have okay because you could take that. information and dump it onto any number. of sites and learn some stuff about. yourself that's really gonna turn out to. be helpful and you know how can you. learn about your genome 23andme okay fit. in a you know yeah I did that so I got. it yeah you get back your data yeah but. that doesn't really helpful then you. take your data you drag it on your. desktop this says Theo's data right here. then there any number of sites one of.

them is found my fitness Rhonda Patrick. yeah great guys dr. Rhonda Patrick right. John Rogan a bunch yeah now we almost. reached out to her one time. you should reach out I got connected to. her this morning nice only I mean I'll. ask her if it's okay to connect with you. she yeah terrific. the interest at you take your you go to. her website you drag the file you drop. it next thing you know you get a report. and her algorithm tells you various. things that you need to know about. yourself.

Wow how you handle dietary fat what. level of various activities you could. engage in what are your how do you. handle B vitamins fascinating yeah there. are a lot of those sites do they tell. you it's great to have the data you know. your who your ancestors were you know. what percentage of your genome is. Neanderthal how is that helpful I don't. know yeah but beyond that there's a lot. of stuff you should know that we can use. yeah especially begin there's another. way it's just interesting no there's. another way to use that information. because I don't even know that I'll help. you with it okay cool yeah no that'd be.

awesome. I had a I just wanted to know a little. bit more about do you think that people. could eventually I mean obviously you. know this is some people always you need. to discuss with their doctors but get. off of an enterprise knew you're going. there and I would say that let's make. this our goal you and I yeah get you off. of medications will work give it a year. okay all right how cool would it be for. you on your program to see you know I've. been off whatever it is you I don't have. you told your audience what you think. yeah I think I don't yeah I just switch.

to something else vibrate or something. so how cool would that be that you said. did this this and this and I've been off. my antidepressant for X period of time. I'll try you'll work with your doctor. I'm your doctor but we'll talk about. some lifestyle issues that may pave the. way for letting that happen or not Wow. dude that's are you easy I guess I'm in. it would be silly for me to say I'm not. in you know I'm always talking about. doing things different and taking some. contrary action so I'm ready to do it I. think maybe that's even while you're you. know one of the reasons you know for me. while you're here today.

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Gang Gang bud coming at you from an oil. rig in Oklahoma. yeah I'm reading the book right now. grain brain really interesting stuff not. all the way through it so I apologize if. I say anything wrong but but you know. then I go on the news or something then. I find the Northwestern study about eggs. and cholesterol and how it's linked to. heart disease so my question is just. kind of how do we sift through what's.

good knowledge and bad knowledge how do. we kind of get to the bottom of it but. thanks for coming on the show thanks for. talking about it it makes a lot of sense. I'm really enjoying the book so y'all. take it easy. thank you know the Gangnam what's his. name bad bad been so been asked a great. question so a study just came out saying. that higher levels of cholesterol. consumption or egg consumption are. linked to all cause mortality as well as.

risk for coronary vascular disease so. after bad again pardon me eggs are bad. again let me let me finish because uh a. higher egg in cluster consumption hikes. heart disease have a half of omelet in. me right now yeah me too okay and let's. talk about that what does it mean how. did they do the study they did they. asked people what do you eat mm-hmm. which is notoriously and interesting. maybe not the best way of determining. what people are truly eating people want. to answer the questions really want to.

lie and they determine cholesterol. consumption based upon certain their. frequency of consuming foods higher in. cholesterol and we think it's a good. study I think it tells us some important. information but it doesn't address. quality the quality of the eggs that. people consume is very important oh real. there is no alchemy that happens when. chickens eat garbage in a factory and. then produce eggs and if if you want to. see a simple example of that go to a. farm a regular farm get an egg go to the.

grocery store and buying it crack them. both open and just look at the totally. different what do you see yeah one of. them is a little bit darker the the. yolks are a little bit ruptured system. hollering and you've been in it and the. other one just looks like we could have. made it if we had a couple hours yeah. and there you go and the same thing. deals with meat consumption I mean do I. believe that in general meat consumption. is a health risk I do do I. think the China study dr. Colin. Campbell's book about risk for colon. cancer one thing to mention increase. with meat consumption you bet idea I do.

but the point is this is asking a person. or large groups of people do you eat. meat or do you not eat meat and a story. you're the one category the other it's. not asking do you eat meat that you get. at the grocery store that came from a. factory where they fed these cattle. garbage genetically modified sprayed. with who knows what antibiotic treated. on and on vs. do you eat meat that's. grass-fed from animals that are roaming. free and not exposed to toxins yeah cuz. traumatic is it because then you're just.

getting secondhand inflammation from the. meat a hundred percent you got you you. got that when you nailed it on the head. Jesus man so that's the point that's the. housing how feel and they should write. that on there on the back of the thing. you know Lance was doing well you know. but every day but it would be like. saying we're gonna do a study to. determine if alcohol consumption is good. or bad for your heart and not. determining any difference between. whether you that alcohol comes from a. glass of organic red wine versus some.

rotgut Scotch that you buy at a. convenience store right it's all alcohol. no it's not it's all meat no it's not I. see so I think it's really important to. look at this information I think it's. very valid I think Ben's question was. good but having said that we've got to. do a science that looks at quality of. the foods that people are eating okay. would I say that eating eggs from the. grocery store might not be a good choice. yeah I would say that same thing with. the meat I wouldn't I wouldn't eat that. stuff.

Wow and I think to be fair more. vegetarian of a diet is a good choice we. are now at a place of one meal a day. being plant-based and moving forward our. next book is talking about OMD one meal. today being plant-based Wow and so now. when you say so people can switch if. they need to from a lot of these because. a lot of people you know we're in. regular towns you know like in my town. growing up like I don't know if I was. there if I would I mean maybe I would. have access to these things first I. would have to seek them out I could.

probably get like fresher meat because. there was like a lot of venison and that. sort of stuff it would just have to. a local distributor and find out what. their route is and how they usually go. about delivering stuff but you're saying. that that's a smarter move to organize. something like that than to just be. going to the grocery store I want to. repeat what you just said yeah it was. very important your viewers need to hear. this and that is you're gonna have to. seek it out and that is the difference. between finding time to do something and. making time it's about priority yeah so.

if we're gonna prioritize food and we. should prioritize exercise and. prioritize sleep yeah that's the key to. health that's the key to getting rid of. depression it's the key to reducing our. risk for chronic degenerative conditions. moving forward those things have to move. to the top of the list because after all. you know if you don't have your health. then nothing else matters yeah yeah yeah. and we have this there's this feeling. these days you're just gonna cut it's. hard to know it's hard to feel the long. term in the short term you know what I'm.

saying you know in my world where you. know a lot of our work deals with. Alzheimer's disease we now recognize as. we talked about a while ago now that the. changes begin in your 20s and 30s and. you don't know that until you listen to. people who are studying that and who are. you know making that information known. let's see about driving right now. hopefully is he's probably stressed if. he is it could be inflammation he's. gonna rage seat his question was related. to dementia hey what's up Theo gang gang.

a player here in Daytona for spring. break but I wanted to get my question. and for that guy. bring Kai I forgot his name but anyways. when you go see a doctor a while back. they sent my b12 levels were really. really low so low in fact the guy said. that it contributed to give me a bad. headache since I get migraines and. headaches he said that if I don't start. taking b12 and taking them seriously I. can have early onset dementia in my 30s.

yeah. can I ask you a question winter oh oh no. we can't do it's not live okay sorry I'm. sorry dr. Olea we didn't tell you that. yeah people submit these submitted these. yesterday well let's let's respond to. that okay a one would wonder why in the. heck did his doctor check his b12 level. hmm and I would say probably had nothing. to do with his headaches it had to do. with this. I know me technical the size of his red. blood cells okay the lower your red. blood your red cells are the larger I.

mean the lower your b12 level is higher. vigorous i0 red blood so because they're. stressed out no it has to do their. construction but but that said he's not. alone there are a lot of people going. around with a low b12 level the brain is. desperate for b12 ow so where'd he get. b12 well you get it from organ meats you. get it from you can get it from. vegetables if the vegetables haven't. been washed like organic vegetables if. they're I say might have a little dirt.

on them right so go to these farmers. markets and hit these things up make. that part of your week if you can but. here's the biggest reason I believe that. people have low b12 levels it's because. of the over-usage in our society of. these acid blocking drugs so we need. stomach acid to activate what's called. intrinsic factor intrinsic factor helps. us bind b12 and absorb it everybody. thinks that they have indigestion they. ate some kind of sandwich hums all day. so have all day long you see commercials. the guys trying to eat a sausage.

sandwich and the sandwich turns away. from him because they don't get along oh. I remember when I worked in this farm we. would make these like little Tom burgers. we get three of them and stack them. don't tell me that yeah all right so. case in point so when you inhibit. stomach acid you compromise. b12 absorption your b12 level goes down. so okay doctor is giving him. recommending b12 orally. heeey I'm not his doctor right but if a. person at that little b12 level I don't. know if how low it was we would. definitely start with some injections. okay so yeah so that's something you.

could also possibly do is you know. whenever you go back to your doctor to. talk about also injections make sure. you're not taking too much calcium or. too many tums or those have antacids. also yeah it's also off the acid yeah. but you need to help process the be. beyond the you know those the calcium. base these these other types of acid. blockers like what well proton pump. inhibitors if I may say thing also drugs. like zantac and nexium yeah and the. pepcid ac over AC of these OTCs. over-the-counter drugs which people take.

they everybody thinks because they get. an upset stomach you have to eat some. food they need to BA to pop an antacid. yeah well if you're getting an upset. stomach after you eat of food you sure. as heck shouldn't be eating that food. right here's a mechanism in place that. says if you eat food that's not good for. you you're gonna get an upset stomach. you should pay attention to that not try. to cover it up by taking an acid. blocking drug we need stomach acid. that's what activates our ability to. absorb b12 okay it activates our.

digestive enzymes the last thing in the. world you want to do is inhibit your. stomach acid unless you have something. some other issues Olinger Ellison. syndrome four of those tech weenies who. want to know about really get in yeah. yeah yeah that sounds like the damn dark. arts you don't want to tell us no see if. that guy shows up dude we're gonna. probably whoop his ass I'm gonna say. that I'm sorry to you that kind of I. think two guys first of all okay I was a. long time ago oh it's too old one did. somebody yeah that's three can take them.

yeah three could take him um you wanna. you have something that we got another. question okay great. hey Theo a David I was wondering as a. neurologist David what's your opinion on. treating depression anxiety etc etc with. psilocybin that's a terrific question so. any question we just lost one of our. comedians a couple weeks ago who ended.

up taking his own life and he he hung. himself. I hate to say that because I don't. sounds even grotesque almost saying that. because you know it's but he was even. according to the guy who dropped him off. that evening he was doing as normal as. he ever is he gotten off some medicine. was getting back on without like talking. to his doctor so that's what it seems. like people are equated it to some some. crevasse in that moment mentally where. he just couldn't escape it but anyway. back to his question yeah this is very. pertinent yeah it's an excellent.

question. we're seeing some dare I say do we want. to explain yes psilocybin like so it's a. hallucinogen so right okay yeah but. we're seeing with specifically. relationship to psilocybin some there I. say some very positive response in terms. of serious depression and things like. PTSD. I think we're early in the research. though it's been going on a long time. right I think the real dedication to the. research is in its infancy and I'm all.

in favor of looking at it further I mean. you know this began in the 60s and 70s. and within the 90s to do it in Covington. Louisiana yeah yeah it was through is it. something you've ever tried have you. ever experimented with psilocybin I've. have I ever tried mushrooms I have yeah. I think did you find it from like in. this did you already have your your. knowledge base so you could kind of. examine it like that or wait I did not I.

mean my current knowledge base I know. this was years this was in college it. you know in terms of contextualizing for. me I can't say that it did that in terms. of you know letting me see the world in. a different way I would say it was only. it was momentary mm-hmm. so that said you know I don't know what. the future holds for me but you know. when when you see books now on the New. York Times bestseller list yeah I could. Pollan's book I think that there's a lot.

of information there that we need to. look at because I think there is some. value there and yeah the rejection of. hallucinogens from a therapeutic. perspective a perspective was done for. the wrong reasons you know I think the. the declaration the war on drugs and how. that. out of hand during the Nixon era really. set back the possibility as this being. all drugs became this stigma you bet. yeah so I don't take anything off the. table. yeah that's going to help people. especially as it relates to depression.

you know anywhere between 40 to 70. percent of suicides are in people who. have significant issues with depression. and let me just make one point that you. will work with your doctor moving. forward unlike what may have happened to. your comedian friend yeah but you know. we'll try to maximize those other things. to give you support in terms of your. lifestyle. young-kyu yeah look I'm excited about. trying this I've tried I tried on one.

diet before for a while at camerawoman. paleo opilio for a while and it was good. sometimes I could barely even see though. I think one time I didn't eat for oh. that might have been fasting you fast. for five days I was at a Best Buy. couldn't see but about six feet but I. just really all you need to see it a bit. you buy whatever stairs six feet in your. in your field of vision that's good. enough and go back next year because. what you bought which is actually it you. gotta buy the extended warranty no. matter you whatever you buy you can buy. a USB Drive and they're getting even.

extended warranty for 19 years. Oh Ida bought 12 extended feet of site. if I could have been that join 18 feet. who knows what I would have found have. any kind of it wants to minimize the. store it's kind of nice to minimize the. store and make its blue light and I very. much believe I want to suppress it. melatonin so you're dialed in um yeah. you know what I'm even noticing even. when I go out to like if I'm at a bar. club there's a lot more people who are. out on mushrooms in a like in low doses. where's it used to be people were high. or people were drinking it's becoming a.

more common thing so I'll see a group of. parens and you know they're just hanging. out and chatting but like oh we took. some mushrooms it's becoming more of a. it's not even if it's experimental but. almost more managed you know the term. micro dosing came out about five years. ago yeah and then it became more man I. felt like people started to see oh this. is more manageable and it's maybe being. delivered and more manageable. supplements so let me then contextualize. my statement and I would say that I am. my statements should not be generalized. to the recreation.

we use right but more in terms of a. therapeutic intervention under. supervision yeah I think there's a lot. of a lot of potential there to really. make things happen in a much shorter. period of time. as opposed to years and years of. psychotherapy yeah it has a potential. for that right and that was not a. commentary on the recreational use oh no. I don't think that anybody I don't think. are anybody tell like that but but. thanks for clarifying that Nick did was. there anything else I had a question. yeah sugar is there a real difference.

with your body from natural sugars in a. fruit - like refined sugars and you that. agave bad boy I read that a little bit. that's your jam huh you bet yeah so I'm. often asked that question you know what. is you know people say oh I I had honey. that came from bees that meditated every. hour and it's great it's sugar your body. reads it as sugar you know well I'm from.

Florida so orange juice is a big thing. there right and a 12 ounce glass of. orange juice it whether it's from. Florida whoever of California is nine. teaspoons of sugar in a 12 ounce glass. of Florida 34 to 36 grams of. carbohydrate in your that's before. you've had your quoi saw or bagel which. are our phantom the jelly on bet and. that's breakfast you're you're in your. blood sugar surges then it crashes in. ten o'clock in the morning you're in.

trouble you can't you're back at Best. Buy again or if you sit in front of just. loitering get picked up and so how is. loitering not a disease here there's. some people just I know they like lore. during learning it's a great thing I got. you know to just take in the moment to. be present be much a good point actually. but but that said you know your question. is very good about eating fruit and this. notion of six to eight servings of fruit. a day it's way too much fructose and. glucose you gotta go more green you got.

to get on the other side you bet and. you've got fruit juice sorry just to. clarify that's that's freshly squeezed. the look a freshly squeezed orange juice. has the same amount of sugar as. coca-cola. Jesus. what's the mystery here everybody so. yeah but it's got vitamin C I mean. please. you're gonna offset nine teaspoons of. sugar with the 80 milligrams of vitamin. C in terms of being good for you that's. that's the trade-off I don't think so. there's you know have water have. carbonated water have fruit flavored.

water there are lots of them out there. right now I just tried a new one and I. thought it was great so we're like for. breakfast man I just don't want to not. be able to eat I mean I feel like it's. gonna be hard what can I eat in well you. might try skipping breakfast really well. you might try having your first meal a. day at noon or one o'clock. yeah I'm smarter if I skip breakfast I. notice my brain works well if you eat. let's say you eat at one o'clock that's. when you so you had dinner the night. before at 7:00 you've gone all that time. fasting then you have a meal that's.

called break fast right you broke your. fast at one o'clock in the afternoon. right you build up those ketones you're. stressing your DNA a little bit a. low-grade stress would call that. hormesis amplifying your longevity genes. turning on pathways and our f2 pathway. for those who care to increase your. antioxidant production increased. detoxification decrease inflammation it. is the homerun Wow and who knew I don't. know who invented three meals a day but. somebody one day said three meals a day.

that's it if you don't do that I'll be. Bob Evan some if you're gonna Bob Evans. take out some breakfast join but he's. had at least I know Bob Evans I mean. they want her to say for if they could. they would you know the midnight snack. that would be the worst time in the. world to and people get up and have a. bowl of cereal have one last night what. are you so what do you have in the. middle of them if you have to have. something you're hungry you have to have. some no you can't you gotta sleep man. what did you just driving you nuts if I. if I had to that's an emergency.

something aside from pee I'd say I would. probably eat half an avocado there you. go yeah I like that maybe feel a little. whole off you take the seed out yeah I. put fill the hole with olive oil and a. little sea salt that's my favorite I can. eat that and be one and done and do my. days but mayonnaise and avocado there. take the middle out put mayonnaise in. that sucker and eat that mission up the. next scene oh yeah guacamole. okay never better no kind of lazy ID but. he would just like put it like a thing.

of mayonnaise in there but he was old. till my dad was 70 when I was born he. was an old man Wow. so he had that seniors do I get the same. genes as I would have if my dad was like. 35 when I was born well interesting you. get the same genetic code but you there. are nuances of gene expression that. change during a person's life that are. passed on in fact you have changes in. your gene expression that you've. inherited from your grandparents yeah. we've recently seen some studies that. shows significant changes in the. offspring of male mice who've been.

exposed to nicotine Jesus Christ so what. you know how we live our lives not only. how we treat our kids but they inherit a. lot of stuff from us if they'll smoke. they'll poke that's what I used to hear. that but if you're trying to meet girls. if they're it was like if you're trying. to pick up girls at a bar or something. it's like oh the smoke the girls that. are smoking or that usually down for. some type of intercourse yeah that's. just an old it apparently pertains to. mice - what else do we want to ask Nicky. give anything I don't have it let me. just said don't necessarily have a.

response for that but I'm noodling it. right now gluten-free noodle in my mind. by well you're saying the mice but. nicotine had extra babies is that what. you said no what I said was that there. were changes in DNA expression when mice. were treated with nicotine that were. passed on not only to their offspring. but to their offsprings offspring so Wow. your lifestyle choices are gonna impact. not only your kids but your grandkids. Jesus won't apologize my grandkids right. now for anything I've run yeah it really. is that's what we should leave our the. will should also have a huge disclaimer.

you know and by the way here's the poor. choices ah yeah sorry before you rehab. of like a scar fact here's all the poor. choices that I made get the URL for that. there there we go. somebody priority took that it probably. did somebody probably just took it. somebody's probably I have one more. question there's one more video question. I think we should get to UM you. mentioned like the six to eight servings. of fruit and I'm wondering with it like. the food pyramid some is that like some.

people have like a theory it's more. nefarious where it's like all lobbies. did that they fought to get there. through this food in there so it's that. it's not just bad science. that we've learned well it's bad science. with all due respect that was put out. bought by industry and so what we. learned published in the Journal of the. American Medical Association in the late. 60s and recently recapitulated in the. New York Times front page was that's. incredibly powerful influence that the. sugar industry had over what doctors.

would publish in medical journals sinc. that's where all the bad the idea that. fat was bad came from they wanted to. castigate fat so that you would have to. fill in your calories from so sugar and. carb and they manipulated the scientific. data so the doctors bought into this bag. it was published in the New England. Journal of Medicine meanwhile we've now. learned that in the late 60s early 70s. those well-respected researchers were. paid off and that killed hundreds of. thousands if not millions of people.

globally because when America adopted. this fatphobia. yeah everywhere around the world. everyone wanted to be like Americans. yeah. and they dropped their dietary fat but. not everybody I mean we saw places for. example like France where they continue. to eat butter they use a lot of olive. oil and their rates of cardiovascular. disease are lower rates of cancer are. lower and to this day it remains that. whether people in various places like. Europe Italy as well eat a lot of fat. you know the Mediterranean diet.

everybody that's what I hear about a lot. so great it's a diet that's high fat you. put olive oil on everything look I we. travel with olive oil well and I eat. about a liter a week myself of olive oil. Jesus and the reason we travel is. because when you go to a restaurant most. of the time it's that you say can you. bring me some olive oil it isn't yeah. it's canola they give you canola that. the weird like you think I'm uh put this. on a salad if it's 51% olive oil they're. allowed to say it's olive oil Wow now. it's like if it's fifty one percent.

whole grain they're allowed to say this. is whole grain cereal whole grain pasta. whole grain bread do you see those. things starting to chant like are we. going to because I feel as much as a. it's so funny half the day I'll feel. like man we're all [ __ ] we're all. addicted all these foods and all these. things in society's [ __ ] then the. other half of the day I will think you. know what there's such a rebirth of. people learning right. through a long-form entertainment like. podcast yeah instead of just short form. quips that our advertiser supported like. on larger networks right that we're in.

an age of enlightenment kind of where if. you want to be enlightened and you want. to learn you still have to take action. physically but if you want to that that. it's there so it's like it's so crazy. half the day I feel one way and half the. day I feel the other the other but isn't. it wild that like it's legal to have so. many other things that are so addictive. but they're not really branded that way. well you know I choose to you know what.

I'm saying that oh I absolutely do and I. don't like what I see around me that's. for sure. but you know I I think it's better for. me to light a single candle as opposed. to cursing the darkness I mean I. truthfully you read grain brain there's. a lot of cursing of the dark as that. goes yeah because I don't like what. people do to manipulate you right and. it's unfair and making things addictive. that you would never have suspected yeah. online gambling you know all these like. I was at a casino this weekend and when. I'm in there it's when I thought about I.

was like I can't believe I mean the. casino must made 15 million dollars this. weekend alone I was at I was like I just. can't believe that this is legal because. even though it's fun for a little bit. and I get how it the dopamine hits and. stuff and it would seem like it just is. not good for people overall it isn't and. it keeps them locked in where we start. our conversation today keeps them locked. into their reptilian amygdala brain of. impulsivity and not thinking of.

consequences people can be addicted to. online shopping you know people like Oh. pornography I mean I'm about 95 days off. of pornography well think about that. that appeals to you instantaneously and. there's then there's a click just like. to go on Amazon buy something instantly. a drink again and here you are you. haven't slept you've traveled and you. see Dunkin Donuts it's playing upon your. susceptibility you are so vulnerable at. that moment and bingo there they are and. I know I shouldn't be eating this crap.

but I do yeah because it's there and the. lights and all and. everything and so ah my dark arts you. guys we called the dark arts and we. always have is where they trip where you. were being manipulated into doing. something you don't really want to do. you know or really you know excess you. know that sort of thing well Theo half. the battle is calling it out and so that. that's what our do books about is. calling it out so you can look suddenly. realize these people are taking. advantage of me they are manipulating me.

they're manipulating my eyeballs and my. bank account yeah for their advantage. not for you though it's guised as. looking like it's good for you it'll. help you whatever fill in the blank and. that's what I want I want a to lose. weight I want to have a more expensive. car I want a blank they'll help you with. clickbait it's done but in reality it. has nothing to do with you it's all. about them and their bottom line yeah. and our mission is to call it out. because as soon as you recognize it then.

you you have different experience with. the bad then suddenly you say hey I'm. not giving in to this right who's in. charge. it's my reptilian brain in charge saying. I'm gonna do it what the heck I have no. control or did CEO finally say huh. not this time I'm gonna make the right. decision yeah cuz I did so funny I like. I like fruity pebbles right now I don't. have an eating them in years right but I. like them but what I like even more is. not getting [ __ ] over by somebody so. once I know then it's like okay I would.

eat these but even more so I hate. somebody tricking me or taking advantage. and now that you're aware of that you. can make it change right let me you. bring up an interesting point and that. is fruity pebbles mhm or anything else. that's sweet yeah we love sweet Dew I. love sweet sitting here talking to you. heck yeah what I love to eat sweet foods. why because my brain and your brain and. everybody else on the planet's brain is. wired to like sweet coz sweet told our. ancestors two things it told us that the.

food was safe and that the food was ripe. and had the most nutrients it also told. us that there's three things that winter. is coming. linda's fruit generally ripened you know. wild fruit wild blueberries end of the. summer early fall eat sugar what. that do insulin rises what does that do. body fat what does that do lets you. survive in the wintertime where you. don't have food so our sweet tooth led. to our ability to survive now that same.

mechanism is being exploited by every. Dunkin Donuts every but everybody that. wants you to eat their free pebbles oh. yeah whatever it is they're appealing to. your sweet tooth that's a dopamine hit. that most people can't turn away from. who knew but you know now that's know I. know I know but I just I wish I didn't. know ah no knowledge is key you know no. it is key it is key even though I don't. want it to be it's like at a certain. point my life I just have to make some. choices that it's like you know I want.

to be able to live longer so that I can. you know not only experience life but. also like be a part of good stuff and. like and learn more and like and this is. it it's like I'm starting to see you. know friends I see friends you know I. had a high school reunion a couple years. ago I was like damn this dudes almost. dead you know wait pretty little daniels. almost dead that do look 65 years old. you know he's over there eating paydays. and chilling out you know like you got a. tighten up heath bar see ya here's what. Nico here's what those are good yeah.

this is a good thing that's going on. here is here's a guy who you who you're. learning about life and you did the very. best that you can right you're talking. to people you're learning but well. beyond this being just about you you're. sharing this with the hundreds of. thousands of people. who are also having issues trying to. understand what in the heck it's all. about and empowering them with this. knowledge then to make better decisions.

the word doctor doesn't mean healer it. means teacher right means giving out. information so you're doing a heck of a. thing here you really are you're helping. a lot of people no thanks man that's. nice you to say yeah we do a lot of. stuff I mean that and our listeners do a. lot of stuff I mean they call them with. real questions you know their concern. they you know I mean I think we are in. this age I think I see it a lot through. our podcast of people wanting to you. know they don't want to be a victim. anymore of you know corporations and of.

adverts. and just starting to realize you know I. think some of that is starting to come. to an end in some ways yeah and you know. Thea what it does is it isolates people. ultimately they become just ends of one. walking around on their own isolated. locked into their smartphone and not. interacting yeah and we need everybody. we need you yeah we need everybody to. reconnect to each other so we're. actually in the process of putting. together a website called reconnect.

global comm where we're going to have. essays from people who talk about this. how we can reconnect to our gut bacteria. how we can reconnect to the signaling of. our genome how we can reconnect to the. prefrontal cortex and become more. empathetic how I can reconnect to people. around me to people my neighbors to my. community to other countries though they. may be different from us yeah that's. cool how we can connect to the planet. yeah just have some understanding to. want to be healthy to operate at our. fullest because I believe that yeah at.

our core we are yeah very good. we have to embrace diversity yeah you. know we talked about of course of the. gut bacteria the more diverse your gut. bacteria the more resilient your body is. to dealing with the onslaught of stress. of our modern world but the more diverse. our culture is same thing the more. diverse you know we are as people the. more were able to handle adversity you. know I had an interesting that's. interesting yeah I had this discussion. with a guy who's involved in Amazon.

restoration and preserving the diversity. of the flora and fauna in the in the. Amazon and we realized we're saying the. same thing he's saying we have to. preserve the plants and animals because. diversity is what's going to keep the. Amazon alive and I said same thing with. our microbiome that we have to have. diversity of bacteria to keep us healthy. and we have to have diversity of humans. so that we can be resilient and survive. I see a lot of people you know doing sex. everywhere I go people are you know I. don't even know what color people are.

anymore you know so it seems like. there's definitely some good bit of. diversity the more I go around America. yeah and I think yeah like I come from a. culture where you know like mop liar it. was just kind of black and white and. times were a little. different than but now when I go back. home I feel like it's a lot different. vibe and you know I feel like most of. America gets along pretty well it seems. like I think the they politicized that. it's not a lot of places and they. amplify that to me it seems like on the. news but most of the places I go it. doesn't say it's it's not the really the.

reality that I see and feel well we are. programmed hardwired to really make a. decision when we see somebody's eyes for. the first time when their face first. time the instantaneous decision is. friend or foe hmm right I could have. Matt yeah Kinzie that instantaneously. friend or foe and we have these then we. color that decision based upon our life. experiences why is that person friend or. foe and I had an interesting experience. that I came off a plane Dallas Texas and.

went down the escalator and there was a. woman wearing a burka and it was right. after a terrorist thing that happened. and you know as we all do friend or foe. and I my mind said foe mmm you know step. back this person and I realized that. that's an impulse from my amygdala it's. an instantaneous impulse. I am absolutely going to override that. impulse and recognize it for what it was.

and do my very best to override that. yeah and speak to people and it's the. same thing yeah like you're saying its. diversity way it's like same thing with. making the choices that we put in our. stomach it's making the choices that we. see in front of us just taking a moment. and and Trust in our instinct when we. prejudge that's the definition of pred. Judas comes from and we prejudge based. upon these engrams that are built up in. our minds from early life experiences. that you know to a significant rare. place there by our parents and what they.

thought you know what their world was. like right and when I grew up you know. the world was we were doing we were not. taught but things were very polarized oh. yeah have to do our very best to embrace. diversity and just open up our hearts. yeah and yeah you know the amygdala is. gonna make a decision we don't have to. go with that decision if the amygdala. says I'm gonna reach out I'm gonna buy. I'm gonna do this I'm gonna eat this we. take a step back. we bring online a higher level of. thinking and we ask ourselves is this an.

appropriate decision right am i is. literally manipulate yeah I might be a. manipulated him I'll just lizard in. probiotics what is that because I. started taking those eat chewing those. the gummies they're not like a man. well you liked them what do you mean. like them I like them I feel like they. are good okay having a little snow you. could say there you go you could say I. like them most I ever had was four okay. okay you could say I liked them from the. amygdala meaning I like them because. they're sweet and I like that and I'm.

done. yeah the chewable ones or you could say. I like them because that's what I want. to know what I like do you like them. because you bring your prefrontal cortex. a I like them because I now know that. having probiotic organisms in my gut. helps with diversity helps with a gut. function helps reduce inflammation and. I'm buying into that science yes having. said that then probably the gummy part. of the probiotic gummy would not be the. way to go so you're eating them because. you they're a little treat yeah you're.

not but you know I mean I want to have. probiotics I'm you know I started. thinking like I got to make my stomach. healthier you know so you want to get a. good probiotic and there's some good. brands but we can talk about but you. want to get one that has long shelf life. okay that gives you 30 40 50 billion. organisms there's a lot of diversity of. organisms 10 like a damn aquarium inside. of me I'm more than that yeah so you. really want to look for those factors in. there plenty of good products out there. but I think that's a very reasonable. thing and then be sure that you cultured.

these guys as well as the ones that. already live in there by having lots of. prebiotics in your diet. okay and you can get some great. probiotics from eating fermented foods. like kimchi and sauerkraut and fermented. vegetables so you don't have to always. buy a probiotic pill or in this case. gummy okay I you may want to pass in the. gummies I mean I'm not trying to be. brand specific here I don't know but. like say if you're in a bind and you get. in a tough spot can some probiotic. gummies help you out uh yeah I I don't.

know how bioavailable those probiotics. are gonna be right so you really again. you want to look for certain parameters. within you know that brands are gonna. satisfy making sure you. really getting what you're what you. think you are okay but I understand that. if you're eating the gummies you're. eating the gummy part not the probiotic. part probably right you think you're. some probiotics and there they have to. put something no you know there's no. there's no oversight as far as that goes. who looks at that and says yeah not only. are they in there generally read the.

label and often as what they're gonna. say is 10 billion CFU meaning colony. forming units at the time of manufacture. well if you see that that's not the. product for you right you don't want. something that when they manufactured it. 18 months ago had this now it's got. nothing with that fresh hitter you want. to have some that says 30 billion CF use. guaranteed for 12 months after the date. that is stamped on that product when it. was manufactured so you take it six.

months later it's been on the store. shelf you had at home and now it's still. gonna kick your butt in terms of having. good probiotics and so eating better. will leave me more to be my best self. there's really just no denying it it. seems like it's a take-home message but. it's all about taking that moment bring. it online your higher level of thinking. about what's best for Theo and who's in. charge and what are my instincts what. are those that are in my stomach. so instincts are some things that are.

programmed suite is an instinct okay sex. is an instinct okay you know a feast. flight against potentially it's. threatening in for issue is an instinct. so you know we talked about trust your. instincts people say well trust your. instincts to some degree but sometimes. our instincts can get us into trouble. you know somebody says something to you. and you punch them in the face. instinctually well they may even talk to.

the guy standing behind you right right. or they may have thought you were some. whatever right and so that's an. instinctual response and amygdala based. sudden reaction that we need to temper I. think back I mean the I I'll never. forget Santa in a line of all places at. Best Buy oh yeah. no it was Costco it was Costco and I had. an instinctual response that I. gret and i you could say what you want. to me I'm okay with that. but somebody said something to my wife. and like it didn't luckily it could have.

been worse but and I was I have to say I. was right down on myself for not raining. that and I should have been the bigger. person and rained it in then I didn't. and but it's a lesson so so sometimes as. instinctive responses can harm you yeah. and instinctually we should eat sugar. all the time because instinctually we. are told that it is good for us as. telling us winter's coming and that the.

fruit is safe and ripe that's we. override that with our higher core. function telling us no we don't want to. eat a lot of sugar instinctually. everybody wants to have sex with. everybody yeah and no matter what and. you know you can't do it you know modern. society and law not necessarily gonna be. good for you oh you can't even. masturbate in your car anymore around. here can you pour down there used to be. a ton I was aware of that but so. something happened in lining you got an. altercation yeah it could have been a. lot worse. and anyway but that was your instincts.

it was my instinct but I checked it. right at the right moment and and I. actually think a sensei a teacher from. years ago martial arts teacher who. worked with me with that that got me to. the level and what would kind of. actually would hit me in the face until. I and would intent me from responding. and would say something you want to hit. me back come on hit me back and training. me not to respond and I got to that.

point and that Engram was activated and. then I back down and it was very. grateful for that training because it. took me the edge you know it's funny. because I had an experience I was in I. think Berlin one time with the. girlfriend we were traveling and and we. were on this bike tour you know you're. gonna bike tours we sure the tourists. sometimes and some guy was like going. down a bike path really fast and he like. hit my girlfriend's bike like really. hard and when I looked at him I could. tell immediately he'd like done it on.

purpose I weren't really in the way he. had maybe he got angry with tourists he. didn't like living in the city. who knows but my first instinct was to. pedal off and [ __ ] kill that guy you. know get a knife out an imaginary knife. suddenly in my hand like I was gonna. [ __ ] kill this dude you know but I. didn't right I didn't do that I just. stayed there you know I made sure she. was okay but I've always regretted no no. I don't maybe not killing but at least. driving over and jumping and just you.

know tackling him in at least but think. about it now from the perspective of the. fact that you were able to rein yourself. in that is absolutely huge think about. mad though that you could rein yourself. in at that moment and not do you could. rein in the amygdala and say I'm not. gonna do it and that should be a sense. of pride that you had I felt like it was. a wimp I felt like a wimp though no. you're not a wimp you know that you need. that man to prove that you're a wimp or. not a wimp.

who is he how should he enter into your. life. hopefully dead I wish but but yeah but. yeah I mean yeah I gotta let it go I. guess I still have a resentment against. that man so glad I feel it so it's good. to take yourself out of the moment. and experience it that was what that. deep breath was just about because you. went back to that moment and it again. challenged you you know your adrenaline. level is up Quartus cortisol levels up. fight-or-flight which isn't necessarily. good for you but to let it go to feel it. experience it take that purging breath.

clearing breath and move on you're a. better person for that and the fact that. you rained it in then that is HUGE you. pat yourself on the back for that one. pat that dude on the back really hard. with a knife and anything else that you. have oh yeah so we have six doctors. pretty doctors right Nick via field this. one out here yeah we've got six. celebrity doctors and we'd like you to. rank them just in your your your love. for them your respect for them and for. the people listening we've got Deepak. Chopra dr. ken Jeong dr. drew dr. oz Che.

Guevara and dr. Phil who should we. listen to you know yeah well to light. their single candle and not anyway I. fight the dark I love Deepak. I've known Deepak for. I guess 28 years I dreamed about Deepak. Chopra last night. oddly enough and this morning I told my. wife I dreamed about Deepak we were. having dinner I.

I think he's centered I think he's one. of the coolest individuals I know so I. love the guy number one well let me let. me consider that what they will work on. the ranking member das is fantastic I'm. a medical adviser to the dr. Oz Show. been on that program I guess three or. four times I I respect his desire to be. a little bit out there to challenge the. mainstream and to really apply a level.

of objectivity to things that are a. little bit off center and I highly. respect that I know him as a person and. his wife and his wife's parents. is he a neat man he's a cool guy Wow I. like him a lot and we actually just were. with his mother and father-in-law two. weeks ago in New York and they're. terrific people dr. drew super cool I. mean here's the job - yeah he is. I respect everything he's about as.

inquisitive mine is breathtaking. his depth of knowledge but depth of. validation when he has an idea I think. is super cool yeah the other three I. don't know who's top middle there that's. dr. ken Jeong he's now a comedian and. comedic actor but oh that's right he was. a doctor I only know him from the comedy. perspective yeah doctor wasn't going so. good if he bailed out yeah but. apparently this part is working out well. I've heard him on the comedy channel so.

or one of the serous radio channel. channels so from that perspective I. respect his comedy che guevara I'm not. sure I you know I think we're kind of in. a different arena and with all due. respect I think that dr. Phil might be. in a different arena. not being a medical doctor but then. again you know the things that both good. is not a doctor of he was a bouncer. wasn't he on the Oprah show well he know. his show is all about psychology oh. that's so you know both Deepak and Mimi.

RMDs Deepak was an endocrinologist very. well credentialed Mehmet Oz practice. cardiovascular surgery as you may know. so my ability to relate to them on my. based on my training I think is much. greater and but you know clearly they. both are exploring areas that are not. particularly in the field of medicine. but absolutely should be like. spirituality in the case of Deepak and. certainly Mehmet go set place as well so. what can I say I believe the answer at.

that who do you think set you a lot of. dr. Oz and dr. Drew who what whose sex. here you think well III don't know what. what kind of shape dr. oz is and I think. he's lean and mean dr. Drew dedicates. himself to that he's ripped. III I don't know I I think Deepak is. sexy actually I've hi I did because a. Deepak does what he wants he wears what. he wants and I think and I I think he's.

very attractive from from the. perspective of of being artsy in that. regard and I find artsy to be very. attractive yeah there you go deep pocket. is man dr. Perlmutter thank you so much. for being here and yeah I think it's. been really really interesting thanks. for you oh I got a year of dieting that. idea is gonna a lifetime. [Music].

but when I reach that round I'll share. this piece of my I can feed it enough. thought it's gonna take. a little time for me to set that parking. brake. and let myself. [Music].

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