Dave Smith | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #632

Today's guest is a comedian. He's a. political commentator. He's a podcaster. You may know him from his shows Part of. the Problem and Legion of Skanks. Uh I. caught up with him last time about a. year ago, so I'm uh I'm grateful for his. return. Today's guest is Dave Smith. >> I will find a song. [Applause].

Good to see you, man. >> You, too, brother. >> Yeah. We're going to go to Kansas after. It'll be fun. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. >> Kids are so funny, dude. >> Yeah. I bet. >> Instead of playing hideand go seek, they'll play like Who did Who killed. Charlie Park? >> So, that's the craziest thing about. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> about Candace's kids. Like, >> kids are talking about Egyptian military. planes and [ __ ]. >> Yeah. like it instead of pin the tail on. the donkey, they're like it's like pin. the small wiener on the macron.

like Yeah, her they just have a. different kind of like I mean yeah she's. her their kids are beautiful. >> Sorry, let me just turn this off. >> They're beautiful children. Uh I I end. up talking about them a lot. I'm start I. feel like it's like a little I'm like. dude do not bring up that lady's kids. again. >> Well, and I don't I've never gotten to. see mixed children up close that much. Like I just don't get it. You know, I've. never had that kind of opportunity. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> You didn't grow up with like mixed race.

kids? >> Yeah, they had some mixed race, but a. lot of them the dad was gone or. something. So, >> yeah. I mean, that's they're mixed race. I mean, >> yeah, that's true. So, one of the. parents was gone. Yeah. I don't want to. just blame it on the dad, but one of the. parents was gone, but um Yeah, I guess. So, yeah, I guess I haven't seen it where. both the parents are around and it's. like this functioning like uh type of. thing. >> Yeah. Okay, now that makes sense. Mixed. race functioning families, those are. those are rare. >> fun. Yeah, like something that could. create a Ben Simmons.

>> Yeah, that's true. I didn't see too much. of that. You know, weirdly, I knew um. now that I'm thinking about it, I knew. black kids who had a full family. together, but all the mixed race kids. that I'm thinking of didn't have dads. Hm. Well, I think it's an inter, you know, at when we were kids, it was probably a. tough it was I don't know if people were. super geeked in some areas on like. racial like biracial parents living. together or interracial relationships. I. remember um we had a bus driver, this.

fellow Milford was his name, and he. like he had a lot he'd done a lot of. things wrong and shouldn't have been. driving children. And uh anyway, he. would end up knocking up the lady that. swept his bus out. He knocked up the. lady that swept out the bus who was a. black woman. >> Can I just say just just on that? >> Yeah. >> Impressive. >> Yeah. >> That's an impressive thing to be a. school bus driver and to just pull the. black chick who's sweeping up your bus. Like that's just a that's a good place. to start from to get laid. You just as a.

dude, you have to respect that. >> Yeah. Shout out Milford. And he was a. ginger, too. And this was a time when. the science wasn't even there on them. You know, there was. >> and a black chick to like go back to her. black friends and tell them she just she. just [ __ ] a ginger bus school bus. driver. Like that's that's crazy. >> Well, they probably thought she was. coming up probably at that time. It was. different times, right? >> Look at you, girl. >> Yeah. Oh, okay. Shy getting Irish. Okay. But the crazy the crazy.

the craziest part was uh Yeah, I guess I. could have see him. He's up there and. he's like just having a cigarette or. having a dip or something after a after. a drive or a hall or whatever they would. call it. What do they call that? A hall. I think they would call it. >> A hall. You're hauling the kids to. school. >> My route probably. >> I think so. Yeah, there be your route. >> after driving my route. And um and he. heard that broom start going in the back. of that bus and he got him a little. start scratching his crotch a little or.

something. Who knows, brother? That's. love. Hey, love can strike. That's the. craziest thing about love. Like love. doesn't even know any boundaries between. races or anything. >> Yeah. And it's uh it is at least to some. degree an involuntary. reaction. Like you don't really get to. choose. >> Do you love. >> You know what I mean? Like it kind of. just happens to you and then you're. like, "Ah, [ __ ]. >> I love this chick now.". >> Yeah. That's the tough That's the. toughest part. And then sometimes you. don't find out till later kind of where. you realize that you were just kind of. messing it up, you know?

>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I know what you mean. I. had that with um with my wife and with. both my kids in a weird way where it's. almost like I remember having moments. it's like you start realizing how deep. you are in I remember having this one. moment with my daughter I think she was. she must have been like four months old. so like I've been a dad for a while and. I just have like my my wife was like. running the supermarket and I was just. like bouncing around my knee or whatever. and she just I don't know she just like. yawned or like looked at me in some way. and I remember just having this. realization where I was like oh [ __ ] at.

like I love this little baby. >> And then I was and then I just started. having this panic attack. Like I was. like something bad's going to happen to. her one day. Like something, you know, like no one gets through life without. something bad happening to them. And I. was like, oh my god, like I have to deal. with that. I was just like nothing. happened. And I had already been in love. with her. It's just like it just hit me. Yeah. Like, oh crap, I'm in real trouble. here. >> I'm in. I'm in for this gal. >> Yeah. And I still am. >> Yeah. That's great, dude. >> One more year and then she's on her own.

But I'm still I'm still in. >> Yeah. I guess that f like is a. fatherdaughter love different than a. father-son love? Do you have each gender. child? >> I got one of each. And yes, it's. different. >> It is. >> Mhm. Well, it's like a different I. definitely like like my wife points it. out a lot and I notice it too, but I'm. definitely harder on the boy than I am. on her. Like there's just kind of a. natural thing where you're just a little. bit more like you you just have a more. of a thing like you know your daughter. when my daughter's three if she like. falls I'm like, "Oh, sweetheart, are you. okay with my son?" I'm like, "Come on, you're tough. Get up." You know what I.

mean? Like, you just have a little bit. more of that. >> And I definitely have more of like um. >> I feel like more of a pressure to be. like a role model for my son that I. don't feel for my daughter. >> That's your wife's job. >> Yeah. And and also my wife's awesome. She's like she's really sweet and smart. and she's a great person. And so I. always kind of felt like with my. daughter, I was like, "Oh, well, she's. already got an awesome role model, you. know, and like my job is just like to. love her and to provide and protect her. and stuff, but with my son, I was like,

"Oh, I got to teach him how to be a. man." And you're like, "All right, I. better figure out how to be a man real. quick so I could teach him, you know, like I don't know what that means." Um, and it was just like there's a lot more. stuff with having a son as it it uh it. it made me uh understand. not having a father better in a way. You're like, "Oh, I get there was. supposed to be this here that there. wasn't, you know, and um.

>> and so yeah, it is totally different.". Like there's a there's a different thing. like having a little girl like you just. like you like I was just like she has me. wrapped around her little finger. She. knows it. She always has. My son, it's a. whole different thing. Um, obviously I. love them both equally, you know. It's. not like more than the other, but it is. a different a different type of thing. >> Yeah. I've just never thought about it. I never thought about it from like a. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. It's like the mom. would probably be more the role model. for the daughter. I mean, obviously. there's a father-daughter relationship, but the um but the mom would be more the.

role model. >> I think I'm like I'm the role model of. what her expectation for a man is going. to be. I think about that a lot. You. know what I mean? I think about that. like the way I treat my wife in front of. her and stuff like that. Like I'm like I. always want to make sure that she. >> you know her expectation is that a guy. would be really sweet to her and you. know stuff like that. Um no but with. your boy you're like oh I'm the one he's. going to be like. >> trying to be like and you're like oh man.

that's a whole pressure don't be like. me. >> Yeah. Then you see him one time being. like you and you're like a kid screwed. Yeah, right. >> He's just vaping in the yard. >> I I'm I'm off the vapes. I don't vape. anymore, >> dude. I'm off three. I might be off. almost a month right now. I can't even. believe. >> Were you smoking or vaping? >> I was vaping. >> Yeah. I get scared of that [ __ ] man. I. did it for so many years, too. >> Yeah. Oh, I'm so ad risk adverse right. now when it comes to vaping. I won't. even like any smoke stacks. I wouldn't.

even fly into Newark right now like just. because just the idea that there's some. smoke stacks in the distance. like. anything could could uh set me off. >> Set you off. Yeah. Well, you want to get. through that that beginning time for. sure. >> And I'm getting close. So, I can kind of. feel it where like it doesn't even pop. into my head. The toughest parts are. like if I'm having a conversation in my. car and I'm driving, that's kind of the. time I would like it. And then that's. also the time where I'm most able to go. get one cuz I'm like I'm in trans. and pick one up. So, >> yeah, I know what you mean. Well, it's.

as you get older, too, like all those. the health things get scarier because. it's not so like way off in the future. anymore. You're like, "Oh." You're like, "Oh, but you got to smoke for 30 years. before that does." You're like, "I'm at. 30 years." And you're like, "Oh, all. right. Oh, shoot. All right." Well, it's. a different thing. When you're 15, you're like, "Yeah, in 30 years there's. a problem. Whatever. Who cares?". >> I would ne What idiot would smoke for 30. years? That's what you tell yourself at. 15, >> right? Right. And then you go, "If I. make it another 30 years, that's fine. Like, I've had plenty of life." But. actually, then you're 45 and you're.

like, "Oh, 50, whatever.". >> I got to start a Roth IRA. >> That's when it gets weird, dude. Everything's getting weird, man. Dave. Smith, good to see you, bro. >> Yeah, dude. You, too, man. Thanks for. having me. >> Yeah, we met up around this time last. year. >> Yeah, that's right. Yeah. as we said. It's funny that we set this up like. really quickly. >> and they snuck in a regime change war in. between when you said it's 48 hours we. planned this and they fit a whole regime. change in that 48 hours.

>> Well, it's good to know that they're. making them faster and. >> here we are. >> and it's happened, man. The crazy they. had that the photo came out of Maduro. and his wife. I guess they picked him. up. >> Well, the the US plans to run Venezuela. and tap its oil reserves, Trump says. after operation to oust Maduro. What. were the actual um. hours after an audacious military. operation that plucked leader Nicholas. Maduro from power and removed him from. the country? President Donald Trump said. Saturday the United States would run. Venezuela at least temporarily and tap.

its vast oil reserves to sell to other. nations. >> Well, at least they're being honest. about that part. >> Yeah, it makes you wonder kind of what's. going on. What were the exact attacks. that happened? Does it say like did we. go kill a bunch of people? >> Yeah, we definitely killed some people. Um there were a bunch of attacks uh and. then there was like an elite uh team. that went and got uh that was able to. kidnap Maduro. And I know so Mike Lee. the senator posted on Twitter that he.

had spoke to Marco Rubio and that Marco. Rubio had said something like the other. attacks were like in service of the. mission to get Maduro. So like I don't. know what that you know taking out their. defenses or something like that. Um, but. so I mean I don't know even where to. start here, right? But so there's a lot. there's been obviously for for months. now there's been like they've been. attacking they've been bombing the boats. that they're claiming our drug uh boats, but they haven't really demonstrated.

that they are. It's kind of just taking. their word for it, >> right? And we don't know. You just see. this video, you see this footage of like. a black and white and then like a a. zooming in of a night goggles explosion. Uh, and there was that whole. controversial double tap strike where. they came back to kill the survivors, which there was a big controversy about, you know, cuz that's illegal under. international law. You'd have to. demonstrate that they were like still in. the fight. And then there was, you know, I guess Pete Hagath had said someone. else made the decision, but then they. claimed that they were still trying to. get in the fight. It's all kind of. sketchy. It's not exactly clear. Um,

it's it Marco Rubio, who's the secretary. of state and also the national security. adviser, and he's had that position for. most of the the last year. Um, this has. been his pet project for a while. He's. really wanted to get rid of the uh the. Maduro regime in Venezuela. The drugs. thing has always just been an obvious. [ __ ] pretext. I mean, like there's. no that's what it feels like to me. >> Well, if you just look at the numbers, >> the the Venezuela is responsible for. like a tiny fraction of the drugs that. come into America and like almost none.

of the fentanyl. And if you really had a. pro, you know, when people look at like. the OD deaths, the fentanyl is really. where the action is there. And that's. all from Mexico from parts made in. China. And even when like Donald Trump. or Vive Rama Swami or or some of these. guys would have real tough language. about the the drug cartels on the. campaign trail, it was always the. Mexican drug cartels. They were always. saying that cuz they could at least. point to that and say, "Look, that leads. to fentanyl which leads to all these. overdoses." Now those numbers have been. going down and getting better. But I.

think some people uh people I love, but. uh some people have falsely like. attributed that to the attacks on these. these boats off the coast of Venezuela. when really all that is is that there's. a secure border now and so less of the. stuff is getting in than was under Joe. Biden. Oh, for sure. >> Um. >> but so. >> so then cut to what was it last week it. got uh. >> Well, I want to bring this up real. quick. Go ahead. Go ahead. Uh, Venezuela. is involved in trafficking cocaine, but.

current data shows it is responsible for. only a small share of the drugs that. actually end up in the US market, especially compared with routes through. Mexico and Central America. US. government classifies Venezuela as a. major drug transit country, mainly for. Colombia cocaine moving towards the. Caribbean, Central America. >> But even that would be more of a. justification to deal with Colombia, right, >> than it would be. A DEA fact sheet cited. in 2025 reporting says 90% of cocaine. reaching the US is produced in Colombia. and enters through Mexico without even. mentioning Venezuela as a primary.

corridor. Um yeah, and there's some. other reasons I want to go into too why. people think that we're what we're doing. down there. Um but yeah, I just wanted. to get some of the stats. >> Sure. Sure. >> No, that's important. I'm glad you did. >> Where were you? Uh well so last week if. you remember um Tucker Carlson had said. that uh he had he had a source saying. that Donald Trump is Donald Trump was. addressing the nation that night and he. had said that Donald Trump's going to. announce you know an escalation in the. war or a declaration of war which you. know technically the president can't do. but I guess we're way past that. Yeah.

Um that he was going to announce that he. was going in there and I had a couple I. had a couple people I know who were like. close to it who said the same thing. Then he didn't which was kind of. strange. And he also like he interrupted. your regularly scheduled programming. like it was a presidential address to. the nation. Yeah. A week ago, but then. like didn't really announce anything. Just announced how great the economy was. or something like that. And so then it. came this week instead. But this was. look, it's an unbelievably successful. operation as of right now.

>> And so that's Well, maybe I got that. wrong. I said last week. I guess it was. a couple weeks ago. On the evening of. December 16th, political commentator. Tucker Carlson set off a firestorm when. he claimed that President Donald Trump. was poised to announce a US military. invasion of Venezuela during his prime. time address. Um, but as the hour came. and went, no such announcement. materialized. President Trump made no. mention of Venezuela, nor of any. military operation targeting the. embattled South American nation. Wonder if he did that because he didn't. want Carlson to actually have called it. No, it wouldn't have been that,

>> you know. I don't know. I mean, it's. like it I don't know. It's possible that. he was planning on doing it and then. backed out of it. It's possible Tucker. got bad information. >> It's possible that plans just changed or. whatever, you know, but but the thing. did come a couple weeks later, so it. does at least seem like there was. something that might have been, you. know, accurate about it. Um, but look, I. mean, I guess first and foremost, this. really was an incredible success just in. terms of a military operation. like.

shocked. They got it got it done and. then they checkmated. They took the king. and queen, >> dude. There's uh Well, that's right. I. mean, and okay, so this picture now and. now it looks like he's playing one of. those games where those things drop and. you have to catch them or whatever. >> Like with Tapora be like real good at. it. You're like, "Whoa, that's how he. knocks people out like that. He's got. crazy speed. >> if that's all he was doing.". >> But it's just this is so because I first. saw this this morning. I was like, "Who. is this?" I thought it was like one of. those like um the mass singer or. whatever they were doing like at the. military or whatever. I was like, who is. this? I just couldn't I couldn't figure.

out cuz I just saw the image and then I. realized, oh my god, that's uh that's. Maduro. >> So evidently the vice president was in. Russia at the time and the vice. president demanded proof that he's that. Maduro's alive. >> and then Trump tweeted this out. So not. clear whether it's like in response to. that like here's the proof that that. he's alive, but it does seem like they. have him and his wife. Um and and I just. say like the success of the military. operation like I know there's um you. know there's been all types like. historically of of attempts by the US.

and the CIA to to kill you know Saddam. Hussein or to kill uh um Castro or all. types of other leaders and they have. succeeded in some Nora they got him and. whatever but like there's been attempts. to like kill or capture all types of. leaders but for it to happen like this. like in one day in one attack go in and. get him I mean We even in in 2003, I. think we were in Iraq for a couple. months before we got Saddam Hussein, you.

know. Um, so they got him. Okay. But one of the things that's so. fascinating is like it's almost like. like the last 25 years don't exist when. you go on like I go on social media. today and you just see all the Warhawks. all got their mission accomplished signs. up like they're all celebrating like. look we got them when really getting. them I mean look it's impressive they. did it in one day without like a lot of. boots on the ground you know we got a. real badass military if people haven't. noticed like the most badass group of of.

fighting men that have ever been. assembled in human history. But we know. we can kill these guys. Like we know we. could kill Saddam Hussein. We know we. could kill Marar Gaddafi or or uh Gaddaf. Gaddafi or Bashar al-Assad. We could get. him out of power. It's like the question. is what comes next? That's always the. question. And that's the question that. DC has always gotten wrong, you know, for 25 straight years. So like to see. them celebrating when there's not even. the. >> we have no idea what the hell is going. to come next now. And it's not even a.

situation like Iraq or Afghanistan where. we were militarily occupying the. country. So, it's a lot easier to direct. who comes next when your troops are on. the We don't even have that right now. Trump just said. >> he's going to run it. >> He said, "We're going to run it and then. we'll decide who to hand it off to.". Well, that's [ __ ] vague. I mean, all. right. Like, what? and and since when. you know I listened with a a force of. like over a hundred,000 troops, substantially more than that, over. 200,000 at one point I listened to for.

20 straight years. every war hawk in. this country lie through their [ __ ]. teeth about how capable this Afghan. government that we had just built up. there was and how now I'm not saying. Venezuela and Afghanistan are the exact. same thing but I'm just saying like that. was with a 20-year military occupation. and all this backing and hundreds of. billions of dollars of weapons. It fell. apart in two days, you know. So like the. idea. >> monkey bars, remember all that [ __ ]. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like. >> send that out. They were doing like. those tire drills like.

>> Yeah. Our guys lost to that. We were. doing they were doing those like running. through the tires like get your knees up. type of [ __ ] like they. >> and they were and they were like we. [ __ ] kind of nailed it there, didn't. we? >> They had PE teachers over there [ __ ]. like just it was unbelievable. >> And so anyway, I guess it just like the. hubris of just being like, you know, like look, I don't I said people were. kind of giving me some of the anti-war. people actually were kind of giving me. [ __ ] today cuz I just I posted something. on Twitter where I was like, well, I.

hope this works well. I hope it works out well I would take it. out real. good. like this one okay it's already done now. so like I hope it works out but to watch. people celebrating as if it's a given. that that it's going to work out it it's. like it's dude so you're and by the way. we didn't at least as of now Donald. Trump kind of like diminished the. opposition leader and is at least. floating out the idea that the the vice.

president can like kind of maintain a. transitional control. So we haven't. Venezuelan. >> So we haven't even overthrown the. communists or anything like that yet. And the idea that. >> right so what exactly is being done. that's the biggest question because he. was arrested on narot terrorism. This is. del that's del. >> and gun charges. >> and evidently US gun control covers. Venezuela. Now. >> there's a couple of theories of why. we're even doing this right. Um, one of. the reasons is because there's certain.

countries that are outside of um, like. our kind of comfort grid, right? And. there's certain countries that are. outside of our banking system. Yeah. >> Right. And Venezuela is one of those. Yep. >> And so, and they also control a lot of. oil. >> Well, so in in a weird way, like what I. one of the things I like to do with. these with these wars is like you can. kind of peel away the excuses. So, you. know, for for what? So when people uh. you know say, "Oh, we're we're fighting. the war in Iraq to spread democracy or.

something like that." And then you could. go, "Okay, so we're close allies with. Saudi Arabia and the UAE and like all. these other countries, but we have an. issue about democracy and no, sorry, that's bullshit." Because if it was or. then they'll say like, "Oh, we have to. support Ukraine because of Vladimir. Putin's human rights abuses." And you're. like, "Wait, human rights abuses?" but. you sent$2 billion dollars to Netanyahu. in the last two years. Like, nah, I. don't think human rights abuses is. really the issue. And then even they'll. say like, well, it's because they're.

socialist. And it's like, we've been. arming the Kurds in Iraq and Syria for. decades now. Also socialist. So, like, nah, I actually don't think so. It's. like you kind of can peel away some of. these [ __ ] excuses and then go, what's it really about? And I got my. best guess on this is that two things I. think play huge influence in this. Number one, Donald Trump who always. seems to just see a deal and that's all. you know like in his mind he seems to. think. >> his military is telling him we can take.

this guy out and put our people in and. then I could get huge oil sales and then. I could turn around and say look how. good this economy is and we win the. midterm elections and whatever. He. always has like he. >> Yeah, I can sell Trump oil. I can sell. like baby oil. >> from Trump. I can sell Yeah. the new. gold shoes. Like remember when the gold. shoes came out? >> Yeah. He looks at Gaza while the rest of. us are all like crying for the baby. who's being crushed to death by cement. and screaming for his mother who can't. come help him because there's no. bulldozers in Gaza. We look at that and.

go, "Oh my god, the human tragedy.". Donald Trump and Jared Kutcher see. beachfront property. Like that's like. where their mind goes. >> They're like, "God, that baby's ruining. this bulldozer's opportunity. No one's. going to want to relax with a Mai with. this crying baby. How can. >> we got to get this baby out of here? >> See, they So, they're not like they're. not like ethnically cleansing because. they uh believe in greater Israel. They. want to ethnically cleanse so that rich. people can enjoy a sunset on the beach. >> There's just always got to be a better. place to have a my. >> Yeah. Right. So, anyway, but then the. other thing, and I do think this is a.

real part of it, is that Marco Rubio is. Cuban and they're also allied with Cuba. Now, a lot of this a lot of this stuff. with like the allies, it's kind of like. if you heard any you know like the BRICS. agreement stuff that that's like really. uh advanced over the last few years. >> Is that the stuff with China? >> China and Russia and all them. So like. what happens is that if you're the US is. the world empire, the most powerful. empire in the history of the world. So. if you're on the outs with us, you kind. of have no choice other than to make. friends with the other people who are on.

the outs with us because those are like. your only options left. Like that's. actually why Fidel Castro went communist. to begin with because he was enemies. with the United States of America. And. so what were you going to do, right? You. got to ally with the Soviet. You got to. have some boys, >> right? That's it's like going to prison, right? You got to join one gang or the. other. And so a lot of them, they end up. having friendly relations, but the. belief is, and they've said this quiet. part out loud a bunch of times. I don't. know if this is true or not, but they. think that the the regime in Cuba will.

fall as a result of this regime being. overthrown. And there's a whole bunch of. Cubans in America, Marco Rubio being one. of them, who understandably really hate. socialism in Cuba, but remember it as. like a a successful country before then. Even though I think Rubio was actually. ruined before the cast, his family was. like. >> Cuba was actually ruined. You mean? >> No, no. I I think Marco Rubio, if I'm. remembering this correctly, his family. got kicked out by like the Batista. regime or they had some beef with them, but they would, >> but they they want to overthrow the. communist I want to get done what my.

parents wanted to get done type of. energy. >> Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And and you know, which is somewhat. understandable. I just think like you. should be upfront with that and not try. to use the US military to like live out. your personal fantasy. In a weird way, it's a similar thing with Israel, you. know? >> Well, it seemed like that's a lot of. what's going on these days. If I could. go back in time regarding my finances, one thing I'd focus more on is savings. I just didn't realize how much savings. can build and grow and compound. That's. one thing I love about the Acorns app.

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merc like you almost want to say. merciless. I don't know if that's the. word. Yeah. >> Um I mean he's. he's he's. him. I mean he's exactly I don't even. [ __ ] know how to describe him, dude. Um but but you know what I'm saying? It's almost like I don't even know how. to describe things. >> Well, he's a different kind of person, man, than almost anybody else. For good. and for bad. >> One of the um one of the things you just. said though was uh just about the. Venezuela thing. There was another. article a guy was talking about uh a. paper tiger.

and it was kind of a challenge to the. BRICS countries like to that outside. group and uh first I want to get what is. a paper tiger? Hold on. Ask perplexity. What is a a paper tiger? >> Well, something that appears to be. ferocious but is really just you know. like made of paper like the idea is that. like oh yeah you you present yourself as. strong and powerful but you're really. weak. >> It's like a bluff. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, in foreign policy, a paper. tiger is a state, alliance, or threat. that looks militarily or politically. powerful from the outside, but is. actually weak, limited, or unwilling to.

act when challenged. Um, >> I always love that, by the way, which is. like if they're a paper tiger, then why. the hell we got to fight wars against. them then, you know, like essentially. because this is what they always said. about Russia. They they'd say in in one. breath, John McCain would say, Russia is. just a gas station with nukes. Mhm. >> So they would go all they are is this, you know, they got some gas and they got. some nukes, but they got no economy and. they got this tiny GDP. And then in the. next breath, all the hawks go, if we. don't fund Ukraine, they're going to. take over Poland and reconstitute the.

Soviet Union. You're like, I thought. they were weak. Yeah. So like, which one. is it? Are they taking over all of. Europe, or are they not? Because if. they're if they're weak, then maybe we. don't really need to worry about them. >> Yeah. There's all there's a lot of. hypocrisy that goes on, you know? I. mean, it's constant. This guy had just. an interesting take, I thought, just. about this stuff. then we can get it out. of our systems. >> The Venezuelan issue is both a crucial. test of paper tiger quality on the part. of all the great powers now, China, Russia and the United States. China. knows very well that the fentinel excuse.

to stop the alleged fentinel trade into. the United States is used by Trump to. mobilize for war against Venezuela where. China is the largest of the. international investors. If China and. Russia let the US make a regime change. to kill President Maduro and destroy the. Venezuelan government and replace it. with Mrs. Machado or something else, what's the credibility of the two of the.

three powers in bricks to assist anyone. even themselves? That's the paper tiger. aspect. If it's the case that neither. China nor Russia can deter nor bricks, Brazil, India, and the others, Iran can. deter the United States from destroying. invading Venezuela, destroying its. sovereign government. If they can't, then BRICS is a paper tiger, too. >> Just kind of interesting.

>> It is interesting all the little things. that could be a part of it, right? Because it does it does just seem kind. of confusing. like most people could not. pick out where Venezuela is on a map, right? Most of us had never even um. thought of Maduro or heard of him before. uh probably within the past month, right? Unless you like, you know, I. mean, he's had a very interesting story. is like coming up as a bus driver and. being like a man of the people and. everything, but then seemingly getting. compromised and like overwhelmed by. wealth and power over time. Um, and then like a lot of his influences.

and stuff were very like socialist. influencers and stuff like that. And so. uh but but then. >> well but but like also to your point. like imagine you know when you're saying. so many people couldn't have you know. picked this out on pick Venezuela on a. map or something like that. I mean if. you just think right so we I was here a. year ago with you how drastically. different things are just a year ago. I. mean like a year ago Donald Trump had. his highest approval ratings that he's. ever had. He was the greatest political.

comeback story in in American history. just something that was totally like it. was amazing the way he not only came. back from like say where he was right. after January 6th when the the question. was whether he was going to go to jail. and going through all the trials and. getting shot and then to not only come. back and win the popular vote and win. every swing state but he won the culture. he won the youth it would have been like. it would have seemed impossible just a. few years earlier. >> black kids are calling him daddy. >> literally black kids Jones is doing the. Trump dance at Madison Square Garden I.

think we were both there that Um and uh. just a crazy crazy thing, right? And now. you know he's he's totally like divided. his base. There's an infight in the rep. all this stuff. But anyway, so a year. ago when people were so excited about. Donald Trump coming in, you never met. one Trump supporter in your life who. went now we're going to get regime. change in Venezuela. That's why I'm. excited that Donald Trump's here. I. mean, people wanted no new wars. They. wanted the border secure. They wanted.

the economy turned around. They wanted. inflation dealt with nothing. There was. never there was no demand from Trump's. base. And so this is like one more. example of Donald Trump just siding with. the Warhawks over his own people. And. one of the things that really I find it. like to be so it's it's such a like a an. intolerable humiliation of Donald Trump. supporters is that all these guys, the. Warhawks, Mark Marco Rubio, Ben Shapiro, Mark.

Levin, like go down the list, all of. them, Ted Cruz, every last one of them. They were the never Trumpers. >> Like I don't know if maybe some people. just weren't paying attention to. politics as long as I've been. They were. the never Trumpers. anyone but Donald. Trump. They ran a front page uh cover of. National Review saying never Trump. Anyone but Donald Trump. All of them. Ben Shapiro said on issues of because. it's a matter of principle, I will never. vote for Donald Trump. He said he he.

would hold his nose and allow Hillary. Clinton to be uh elected president. before he sent his at the time massive. audience to support Donald Trump. And. now Donald Trump turns around and makes. little Marco his national security. adviser. >> Remember how he embarrassed him on the. in the debates? >> Yep. He called him little Marco. He used. to tear him apart. And you know what he. used to say, man? Oh, dude. I hope I'm. getting this right. There was I believe. there's a tweet, you could probably find. it where Donald Trump said something. like Sheldon Adlesen will be able to.

control little Marco and that's why you. can't let him be president. >> And that's the the the guy the lady's. husband. Yeah, he died, but Miam Adlesen. is still alive and they're his biggest. donors. They've given him like hundreds. of of billions of dollars. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's uh And that's I don't even. think that like if you counted the money. for his first run, his second run, and. the midterms, they're they're probably. close to a billion dollars that they've. given. >> Look at this tweet right there. Sheldon. Adlesen is looking to give big dollars.

to to Rubio because he feels he can mold. him into his perfect little puppet. Wow. I agree. says, >> okay, he agrees with that. Just to be. clear, this is and this is just a fact. >> This is 2015. >> Nobody. nobody has been molded into more of a. puppet for the Adles than Donald Trump. And Donald Trump now, which I know. you've probably seen a couple of the it. it's so crazy. It and I'm not saying. this is the case. I don't think this is. the case, but it almost seems like.

Donald Trump is like mocking them when. he'll talk about how much they just care. about Israel. Like he'll open he goes. out of his way about who that who Miriam. Adlesen and Sheldon Adlesen that he'll. go they gave me a lot of money and they. called me all the time and they always. come by and they're always asking for. something and it's always for Israel and. I do it all. I give it all to it. Like. he's just openly telling you that these. look Miriam Adlesen is a Palestinian. >> Theo she was born before the creation of.

the state of Israel in what is today. Israel. Am I right about this? What. year? Born in 1945. in Yeah, you could say Israeli American, but there's no such thing as Israel in. 1945. Israel wasn't created till 1948. She was born in Palestine. >> She was born in Tel Aviv. Mandatory. Palestine. >> Mandatory Palestine. Right. So anyway, so she's from there now. Is this a new. term, mandatory Palestine? >> It was a term at the time. It was. >> It was a term at the time where they uh. they basically like they were like, you.

know, we're not doing imperialism. anymore. We're just doing mandates. It's. mandates where we come in and run the. country. And we'll take some of the. resources, too. But. >> it's just such an interesting term. Mandatory Palestinian. Um Okay. Um so. she was that's where she was born. though. She was. >> And let me just say about him. >> So by land she was Palestinian. >> Yes. So now he was born in America. But. >> who Sheldon? >> Yeah, Sheldon was born in America. >> No, he's not black. Actually, Jewish. fellow. He he is on record saying that. his biggest regret in life is that he.

wore the American military uniform and. not the IDF uniform. So these are like. Israel firsters openly and Donald Trump. says as much. >> Oh yeah. Well, he just I mean Donald. Trump is defin you know like they just. had an announcement the other day or he. was in a um he was at a event where they. he said he was Israel's best president. They said you're Israel's best. president. >> Mark Levvin said he's the first Jewish. president. Um. >> it's wild. >> By the way, Mark Levin called me a Nazi. >> He did.

>> Uhhuh. Yeah. Two days ago. >> Oh god. >> On Twitter. No, he called me a neo-Nazi. to be fair. >> Oh, that's which is nicer. >> Well, new. >> Yeah. like he wasn't actually claiming. that I was a member of Hitler's, you. know, National Socialist Workers Party. >> Yeah, that's impossible, first of all, for you to pull off. And second of all, neo-Nazis, I don't think it's it's not. even determined what they're going to do. with their whole plan yet. >> Yeah. No, we're still working on it. >> You got to play that out. >> But it is a funny like I'm literally all. um essentially my politics are all just.

like uh like I'm against I'm against. wars and government. like I just want. government to have less power and fight. less wars. Yeah. Which is strikingly. similar to Adolf Hitler as everybody. knows. That was what he was known for. too. >> But that's the biggest. >> individual rights. >> That's the biggest weapon though. I. mean, even Tucker was talking about. this. It's the biggest weapon of um. people like him, I guess, to just call. you Hitler or to call you an. anti-semite. It's just like. >> it's I don't know. And it's a weapon. that's kind of out of bullets a lot of.

times. You know, we've talked about that. before about how it's just been used so. much. What is this part right here? Uh, >> and these people do like Israel. Hold. on. [Applause]. >> And he loves Israel, too. >> It's true. Two seconds. Just two seconds. Six years. ago, I was up here and I said, "This is. our first Jewish president." Yeah. >> Now he's the first Jewish president to.

serve two. >> not not consecutive. >> presidencies. We thank you for. everything. >> Like there's another one. >> No. Well, he's saying like that he lost. and then came back in that he served two. terms, but like you could have just said. served two terms. what was the and also he is like which. is very weird to see done to Trump but a. lot of people make it he's kind of like. big dogging him like he's like you know. like kind of pulling him closer it's all. very bizarre but yeah. condescending Donald Trump is uh the.

most pro-Israel president in American. history there's no question about that. but the thing is that like what's. omitted there is that actually all the. other presidents were pro- Israel too. they would just have some demands on. Israel like they would just go like, "Hey, could you just stop doing this. because this is a huge problem for us.". And then Israel wouldn't stop doing. that. And then they would get annoyed at. them and then so like uh and there's. lots of examples like this like both. George HW Bush and Barack Obama made a.

big thing out of asking him to stop. building uh settlements on the West. Bank. Could you just not do that? Because you're expanding these. settlements causing all these problems. The whole international, you know, community is outraged by it and then. they just wouldn't stop. Yeah, that's. one of the things that caused a lot of. uh riffs over the years, too, was just. the taking over of Palestinians homes. Like people walking in and it was known, it's not a debated thing. >> Oh, it's on video. >> Yeah, there's tons of video of it. So, it was just but it was walking in and. taking over native Palestinians homes. Just taking it over and kicking them. out. And I think after 30 years of that,

it just became too much for people over. there. >> So, well, the one poll I saw was they. was before October 7th. They said, uh, who do you, uh, sympathize with more, the Israelis or the Palestinians? And it. was plus 48% pro-Israel. And then, uh, taken like a couple months ago, it was, uh, plus one for the Palestinians. So, it was a 50 point collapse, right? So, anyway, we had speculated because. Israel's in this situation where. everybody's turning on them because they.

just committed a genocide in 4K and. forced us to fund it and we're all. appalled by that. But at the same time, they have the most pro-Israel president. in right now. So they could look at the. writing on the wall and go, "This is the. best opportunity we have right now." And. then a lot of us, and I said this on. Rogan last time I was there, I go, "They. might move to annex the West Bank." Like. to formally just take the whole thing. because now is their best opportunity to. do it. Now Trump came out and said kind. of unprompted, it was in a Politico. article. He said, uh, someone asked him.

about that and said, "What?" and he. goes, "No, I will not let Israel annex. the West Bank." And so they go, "Well, what are you going to do if they did. annex the West Bank?" And he actually. said they would lose support from. America if they annex the West Bank. And. then, >> and when you say annex the West Bank, it. just means take it over completely. >> Just take it over and claim it as part. of Israel, which by the way, they've in. effect already done, but they haven't. formally done it. Okay? So now this, so. this is the political piece. So then cut. to a month later JD Vance is in Israel.

and the Knesset holds a vote over. annexing the West Bank and it passes. >> They intentionally now this was like. kind of a symbolic vote or whatever but. they Donald Trump who's been the most. pro-Israel president goes I'll I'll fund. your genocide. I'll arm your genocide. I'll bomb Iran for you. I'll shoot down. the Iranian missiles coming back at. Israel in response. We'll we'll bomb the. Houthies for you. We'll go all you bomb. the the um the negotiators of a deal I'm.

trying to make and I'll still work with. you. You'll still get funding. One. request. Just don't annex the West Bank. And they go, "Nope. And we're going to. intentionally vote that way while your. vice president is here just to let you. know that you get that we run this [ __ ]. and you don't and that for all the. billions for all the billions you give. us, we're still in charge. It's just too. crazy, man. >> [ __ ] gangster. >> It is gangster. You got to admit that. >> I mean, oh, dude, you have to also.

There's a there's like a gangster part. of you that's like, [ __ ] these. [ __ ] are not playing, dude. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no question. about it, man. And that's all it is. That's all any government is at the. highest level is gangster [ __ ] and that. uh they are really really good at it. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty fascinating. Um. let's talk about like so it's been a. year since Trump's been in. You said. some of his base is kind of split now. It does feel a little bit like there's. like this how do you feel like Trump's. done in his first year?

>> Like what are things he's done that you. like? I just I think he's been terrible. and I I assumed he probably would be a. disappointment and I supported him last. year just cuz I thought like all things. being considered it was better for our. country that he win than Camala Harris. win. Um and also the Democrats just so. deserve to lose. Like they you just. can't reward that. >> Well, yeah, I just saw the. >> a scenile president and they all. pretended we didn't. It's just too. crazy. >> That was too crazy. They also like I. mean their look I mean their their. policy on COVID their policy on Ukraine.

and then don't forget they were a full. year into backing the genocide when it. this happened. So they were you know. they they deserve to lose. Donald Trump. has done a really good job in securing. the border. >> You know we had a really uh open border. under Joe Biden. We have a secure border. now. >> Aside from that it's just been. disastrous. I mean, I just couldn't and. and not even just disastrous like the. policy was wrong, but just the way they. handled it. I mean, the handling of the.

Epstein scandal is got to that goes down. in history as like the worst handling of. a scandal I've ever seen. Literally, from all these guys running on we're. going to release this stuff. Pam Bondi. having that thing where she gave the. influencers the binders. The binders, it. turns out there was nothing in them that. was new. And then they pivoted on a dime. to there's no such thing. >> I don't even know what you're talking. about. You're crazy to think there was a. thing to be released. Like it was And. then to turn around and then they turn.

around and Mike Johnson said it will end. the political order if we vote for. Thomas Massie and Roana and Marjorie. Taylor Green's bill to release the. files. And then they turn around and get. pressured into voting for it. And now. they're just redacting everything and. like it's just I mean just he lost so. much credibility on that. Obviously the. um I think bombing Iran was terrible. >> Let's go one thing at a time. The. Epstein. So look. So yeah, bring up some. of those pictures that they just. released too. What what what was with. the photo drop right before Christmas?

It's all so bizarre. Like what is that a. picture about if you're a married guy? You know what I'm saying? Like what are. you doing there? >> Yeah. I mean like. >> you're a married 60-year-old guy. >> Yeah. Listen, I'm I'm never going to be. in a position with some chick like that. I'm a married guy. It's a weird thing. Yeah. I mean, now again, it doesn't give. us that much more information and we. don't see her face, but sure does look a. lot younger than him. >> Yeah. Go through some of these. I mean, this is kind of I mean, it's all just. kind of wild. >> Kevin Spacy and Bill Clinton there. >> And was this at Epstein Island?

>> Allegedly. >> Allegedly. And there's some photos. This is the. best thing. Look at these photos. Everything redacted in them. Here's. these could be photos from anybody's. phone. Everything redacted. And then one. mark of the beast or something from. Zodiac Killer on the one that he drawn. on just bizarre. >> I mean it just like. >> it's so strange. >> Why why would they just show us some of. this stuff right before the holidays? Are they just trying to like everything. now you start to you have to think.

>> is this like is it trying to distract my. attention from something else? You know, and the news reports they don't even. tell you about the real [ __ ] that's. going on anyway. Yeah. >> So most of the stuff that's happening. here's the crazy part. We don't even. know anymore. Like most of the most. serious [ __ ] that's going on. >> Yeah. >> We don't even have a clue. >> Well, I think part of the thing, look, the Epstein, the whole story is so like it's so. dirty. I like it just stinks. I mean, you just look at it and you're like,

dude, look, we know what we know, but. knowing what we know, how could you. possibly piece this together that it's. not some huge scandal? I mean, like. already when you just go, okay, so. there's a guy who was convicted of. pedophilia or convicted of soliciting. prostitution from an underage girl, you. know, then a decade after he's convicted. or at least eight years after, he's. still like in the most influential. circles with all these and then for. national security reasons, you're.

telling me th this has to be hugely. redacted. Like what the hell? What? This. just makes no sense. And his connections. to Ahood Barack and Msad now all being. known. It's just too crazy. And Donald. Trump, I mean, I think I think I think. covering up the Epstein thing the way he. has has like profoundly hurt him in a. way that isn't even measurable on polls. And like his poll numbers are lower than. they were, and I'm sure that's a big. part of it. But there is something where. like look, the the fundamental animating.

spirit of Donald Trump's political. existence, his his central promise was. drain the swamp. >> Yeah. You know, like the the reason why. people love Donald Trump is because. everybody on some level knew that DC is. just corrupt as [ __ ] and that they're. screwing all the rest of us over and. they face no consequences for it. And. >> thanks. >> There's something about covering up the. Ebstein thing that it's like, oh, when. it really came down to it, you didn't.

want to drain the swamp. You wanted to. protect them. And maybe because you're. pretty close to it. >> You're a gator. Yeah. Ah, it's just so. twisted. And one thing that Tucker. Carlson said that was interesting to me. um yeah I mean some of this stuff is. just I mean weird writings from the. Lolita books on these women's bodies. >> Very strange. >> I mean that's really wild. >> Yeah. >> Just bizarre. >> Nam Chomsky. Legendary anti-war leftist.

>> Steve Jobs. I'm sorry. Not Steve Jobs. Uh Bill Gates. >> I I apologize for that. Steve R. couple. bow and arrows. Um, but yeah, just. bizarre that these would come out right. before Christmas. It kind of like keeps. your attention focusing on that. And. also, >> it's like a drip. It's like a morphine. drip. >> And delivered in a way that is more. confusing than illuminating. You know. what I mean? Delivered in a way where. nobody's attempting to actually get. information to you that you can even. try. I mean, like obviously like good.

journalists will be tearing through. these documents. I think they said. there's like 1.7 million more to come. The journalists will be tearing through. these for years. But like I I think you. just. >> get lost after a while. >> Well, also I can't look man. I know I. know people get people get tribal about. politics and I know like there was a. whole when I came out like a little over. a year ago and I said I was going to. support Donald Trump in the election. I. know the Trump people were like, "Yeah, Dave Smith's on board." And then and I I. always knew I was like, "Listen guys, you're going to be mad at me when he. does something I don't like and I'm back. to criticizing him." But like if we're.

just being fair about this, I just I. can't not say this [ __ ] dude. Cash. Patel and Dan Bonino made millions of. dollars, dude. Like, they made so much. goddamn money. I mean, I don't know. Cash did a lot of big shows. Dan Bonino. had a huge show. He made millions of. dollars all day long talking about this. Epstein scandal, how they were going to. get to the bottom of it. He even said, Dan Bonino, the I guess he's leaving. now, but the deputy FBI director, even. said on Tim P's show that he had it on.

good authority that Jeffrey Ebstein was. connected to Middle Eastern. intelligence. >> Now, which Middle Eastern intelligence. do you think he was talking about? Which. middle Epstein was surely working on the. Saudi payroll or something like that? Like, yeah. Okay. So, like they said. this, they promised they were going to. get to and not just did Jack [ __ ] Lied. through their [ __ ] teeth. told us. there were no co-conspirators, there was. no sex trafficking, that he killed. himself. Like, hey, Cash Patel, uh, Dan. Bonino, you you looked me in the eye,

not to me, but to the American people. and said he killed himself. I've seen. the proof. Why can't we see that proof? >> Yeah. I don't even know if Cash can look. somebody in the eye, first of all. >> Cash, you looked all of us in the eye. simultaneously. >> When you It is funny when you start to. look at Cash Patel, you're like, there's. no way this was the guy. How did we ever. think this was the guy? Um, and Tim. Dylan as Tim Dylan has totally kind of. like Tim Dylan has brought this guy's. life down, but to a manageable level, to.

a realistic level, like Yeah. those. guys, it makes you realize that there's. there's a there's something above the. FBI and the CIA that gives them what. they then you're allowed to work from. here. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Here's a It's like you sit at the uh. kids table at Thanksgiving. >> Yeah. and you you play with these, you. know, we'll give you can do the drug. charges and a little bit of this and. that and but otherwise we're going to. handle the big [ __ ]. >> That's right. That's right. Or it's it's. either that they were they never really. got in control and there was a level of.

control above them or that they were. lying and that they or that they sold. out or that they were compromised. But. there's some answer to it. But there is. something where like you just the. credibility damage on all of them like. like just the amount of like street cred. that Cash Patel had a year ago compared. to now Trump too. I think. >> all of them but some of it is also I. think is um it's the communication right. it's like why not come and say hey I got. in here I'm not even allowed to see the.

things that I really want to see. >> and I'm also not allowed to say the. things that I really want to say. Yeah, right. Like if you said that or if you. said like honestly there's so many this. this Epstein stuff has has to go through. so many hands before we can even put. anything out to the public so that. everybody can safely get their stuff for. a D that uh that it's unbelievable and. the best we're ever going to get is. this. >> Well, the other thing the other thing. that um. >> because didn't he say that they had seen. everything and there was nothing there? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Can you pull that up? I think he said.

>> which is also now they're saying there's. 1.7 million documents. It's like, did. you go through all of those yourself? Like, are you confident? Yes, he did say. that. >> You and Dan had a sleepover, whatever, and just stayed up all night going. through those. >> And you also just know, right? Like, it's like, >> you know, if he had come on Rogan a year. earlier, you know, he would have been. saying a whole different thing about. that. And so, it's like you got to at. least explain to me like what changed. from there to now because otherwise you. leave us just speculating like I don't. know, dude. Either you're compromised or. you got put in your place or you or. you're just a liar and a fraud.

>> Yeah. Let me see what clips. Oh, here's. a clip we have. This this uh this is a. Tim Dylan uh there's a Cash Patel Rogan. clip that Tim Dylan covered. This is. this is this is good. >> Patel talking about why they can't put. the Epstein stuff out cuz it will. REVICTIMIZE THE WOMEN. >> We're not going to revictimize. >> women. What? >> We're not going to put that [ __ ] back. It's not happening cuz then he wins. Not. doing it. >> Who wins? He's dead. >> It's too ridiculous, man. I mean,

>> look, look, the victim. >> If there was a video of some guy or gal. committing felonies, >> but there is. >> And I'm in charge, don't you think you'd. see it? >> Yes, but that's that's why everyone's. confused. Pam Bondi said there were. videos. She's the attorney general. She. goes, there's hundreds of hours of. video. That's a quote from Pam. Get the. Pam Bondi quote up by the videos. There. are tens of thousands of videos of Epsi. with children or child porn, and there. are hundreds of victims. So, that's Pam. Bondi. Now let's go to Cash Patel who. goes um so if there were things let's go.

Cash Patel everyone. >> if there was a video don't you think. you'd see it. >> if you have access to it. >> if I have it period if I have it if I. have it. >> you got it where is it. >> where else would it be. >> it's just. >> this is why dude this is why Tim's a. better comedian than me cuz he could. just be so funny with this [ __ ] and I'm. just it just makes me so angry like even. just watching that I'm just like furious. so I don't like even think of the funny. thing to say I'm just like yeah because. dude what does that essentially come.

down to trust me don't if I had it don't. you think I would and then and what is. Cash really trading in his trust for is. we liked you because you said you were. going to get to the bottom of this [ __ ]. that's the whole thing we liked you for. so you can't turn around and then go and. now I'm here but wouldn't you know me I. mean I would and look dude it's it's. there there's a broader thing that's. involved here right the point is that. the drain the swamp Cash Patel Dan. Bonino their whole brand, the whole. thing was that look, there are these.

criminals in DC and look at all the. things that they've done and and they. would all talk, it wasn't just uh. Ebstein. They would all talk about. Russia Gate, the 2020 election. I mean, look what these guys are claiming, and I. don't know about the 2020 election, but. they're 100% right on Russia Gate and. Epstein when they were talking about it. before they sold out, is that they go, "Look, >> the intelligence agencies framed a. presidential candidate and then the. sitting president, they framed him of.

treason in order to unseat a. democratically elected president of the. United States of America." That is the. biggest scandal in the history of the. United States of America. Like this is. the these are huge crimes. Sedition, treason, very serious crimes. They. locked down the whole country based on. pseudocience. They [ __ ] they they. covered up a a a scenile president. They. covered up a pedophile ring. They like. all and and now you guys are in charge. of the Justice Department. How many. indictments?

>> Yeah. >> Zero. Zero. And then you're going to sit. there and Cash Patel is going to tweet. out a picture of like some dude throwing. a sandwich at a cop and go, "We got. him." Because this is Cash Patel's. America, boys. People don't get away. with crimes here. Like that's Oh, wow. Great job. Wow. Cash Patel, we're all so. impressed that you brought down Chanty. Bips. >> Yeah. >> Like, okay, that's great. You know, like. that's great, but like that's not. exactly what we were voting for. >> Can a cop get a free Ruben? I don't care. how he gets it.

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national intelligence came out and said. that she had found proof that Barack. Obama committed her words treason and. that she had sent the proof over to the. Justice Department. And I will say. reading through some of those documents. that got released, >> it's a pretty big smoking gun. Like. yeah, they they basically had US. director of national intelligence Tulsi. Gabbert has released a previously. classified report which he says points. to a treasonous conspiracy to undermine. the results of the 2016 presidential. election. Um it seems as though Trump. administration is willing to declassify.

anything and everything except the. Epstein files, Democratic Senator Mark. Warner said. But that doesn't have. anything to do with this, right? >> Yeah, it's just a distraction. Yeah. Um. the report gabity classified was. prepared by Republicans on the House. Intelligence Committee is dated 18th of. September 2020. These bizarre allegation. these bizarre allegations are ridiculous. and a weak attempt at a distraction. A. spokesperson for Obama said. >> Huh. >> Well, what they one of the things that. was revealed in the documents was that. there was a. >> sorry, one thing. Um uh uh it was. declassified on Wednesday, a day after.

President Trump accused former President. Barack Obama of leading an effort to. falsely time to Russia and undermine his. 2016 election campaign. Is that what the. documents were about? >> Well, what the documents showed was that. there was um essentially a national. security um analysis. Um it was uh what do they call the. threat assessment analysis after the. 2016 election where the intelligence uh. agencies uh had reached a consensus that. there was no meaningful interference in. the election. >> of course for Russia. >> So now yes. Now if you remember now if.

you remember the central claim of Russia. gate was there were two aspects to it. One was that the Russians interfered in. the election on behalf of Donald Trump. and number two that Donald Trump was. involved in the conspiracy to do so. That like Donald Trump and the Russians. were working together to overthrow the. election. Now if true that's the biggest. story in American history, right? That. the sitting president is a a foreign. spy. But what Tulsi now it had been the. part about Donald Trump being involved.

in the conspiracy had been completely. debunked. It was all based off the steel. dossier. It was all lies. It was all. Hillary Clinton OP research, you know, campaign [ __ ] that the the CIA and. the FBI jumped on. But what what Tulsi. Gabbard revealed was that they didn't. even believe the first part of it. They. didn't even believe that Russia. interfered at the time. And so anyway, but the broader point to that is so the. director of national intelligence came. out said there's proof that Obama. committed treason and that she sent it. to the justice department and that's the. last we heard of that. >> and like well what the hell at some.

point you got to come through on one of. these things. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's there's never any. explanation for a lot of stuff. There's. never any real communication. Um the the. uh yeah the the Russia gate thing was. just like obviously that was ridiculous. remember it was just that they were. getting a lot of ads to to on Facebook. >> and it was like 30 grand worth of ads. It was like nothing. >> and Facebook was um I think they were I. don't want to say they were convicted. but they admitted to in helping to. influence the.

>> Yeah, they admitted to helping influence. Biden's campaign in 2020. Well, not only. that, but Zuckerberg on Rogan's show, uh, Rogan asked him about the Hunter. Biden story and he was like, "Yeah, well, we didn't we didn't censor it the. way Twitter did, but we turned down the. signal so no one could see it." And then. he says, he offers this. Joe didn't like. ask him. He just goes, "Well, you know, the FBI came and visited like a week. before and they said, "Be on the lookout.

for a big Russian dump. It's going to be. Russian influence." as Russian. interference in the election again, which never happened the first time, but. it was going to happen again. And so. then he said that essentially he thought. that was it. So when it came, he was. like, "Oh, the FBI told So it's not just. Facebook interfering. It's the. government. It's the it's the FBI. interfering to put their thumb on a. scale in an election, by the way, against the current commander-in-chief.". Yeah. >> Like the current sitting US president. It's even worse than like if they were. interfering, which would still be really.

bad, to keep like the president's. competition out, but they're. insubordinate. They're they're. interfering to unseat the guy who is the. head of the executive branch. >> And it seems like that that led to also. Trump getting reelected the second time. because it was like, oh, well, the. system they whatever this dark system is. that already feels dark and feels. controlling hates him so much that they. must hate him because he's the guy. that's going to help. He's the guy. that's going to make things different. No, that's that's right. And um there. was and and also because it was just. like the um I think the when they when.

they went after him when they weaponized. the Justice Department to go after him, that played into that too. Like they. just raided Mara Lago. They're trying. him for some bookkeeping issue in New. York. I mean, none of this makes any. sense at all. It's obviously just that. like these shadowy forces don't want. this guy in. And so that was a huge part. of Trump's populist energy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it became like, well, yeah, if the justice department isn't. fair to him, >> right? That's the one thing it feels. like that we would have you would hope. would be fair in this country, right? Is.

like a sense of justice. There's some. sense of justice here. And when that. starts to fail, you have to start to you. there's a part of you that just cheers. for that guy. It's like, oh, he can't. even get any justice, you know? >> Yeah. Oh, that's right. >> It's just. how how do you think um how do you think. things look as we go into 2026 here? cuz. it's it's just baffling, man. Like I was. hoping to see more things where it's. like, okay, we're building things. We're. we're bringing businesses back and we're. going to you're going to start to see.

certain jobs and opportunities come back. to different areas. And if they are, why. wouldn't you talk about that more and. share that more and inspire people more. with that, you know? Yeah. Um I think. that's some of the communication that. would be nice to hear more of. I think. you kind of have to you kind of need a. couple years to kind of see maybe what. they're going to do with some of these. tariffs. If we're making money from. these tariffs, what does that go into? You know, maybe it could be set aside. and said, "Well, the the the money that. we're keeping from these tariffs, it's. going to go here, here, and here to.

support these things or to rebuild these. efforts." You know, >> you know, the thing is that we're like. we the problem in America isn't that the. federal government doesn't have revenue. They have a huge tax base. I mean, we we. bring in more revenue now than we've. ever brought in before just through. taxes. Forget the tariffs. Um, the. problem is that no matter how much. revenue DC brings in, they spend three. times as much, you know? I mean, we're. we're 38 plus trillion in debt. And, you. know, the real.

>> it [ __ ] feels like a number a kid. would say. >> Yeah. Well, and but the crazy thing is, right, is that our government is so big. that the 38 trillion isn't even nearly. enough. I mean, it's like the 38. trillion is just what they racked up on. the credit card. They were spending our. tax revenue that whole time. So, they. spent tens of trillions of dollars of. our tax revenue. And even that's not. enough. They can't tax enough and they. can't borrow enough. And so, then they. just print the money. And this is really. the central problem that everyone's. living through today is that if you.

could go look this up on like charts, but like between. essentially from the financial collapse. in 2008 to today, so like from and and. George W. Bush had printed a ton of. money too. But if you just look at like. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump again, we printed something like a third of the. money that's ever existed. Like the the. answer has just been always just keep. printing money, keep flooding the and. now people are looking around and. they're going, "Wait a minute. Why is. the price of everything out of control?".

Like the Democrats who won, not just mom. Donnie in New York, but also the. gubanatorial races in uh Virginia and. New Jersey that they just won in this. last uh elections in November, all of. them ran on what they call now the. unaffordability crisis. But like what is. unaffordability? That just means you've. debased your currency, right? So this is. the kind of the now so the answer is we. got to stop debasing our currency. Like. the solution would be a gold standard or. something where you don't just print. money out of thin air. But the problem.

with that is that you can't really be a. world empire and do that. And so in a. weird way, you really do have I mean, you can't be a giant welfare state. either, but you kind of have to make a. choice between like Donald Trump siding. with the war hawks at every turn or. Donald Trump siding with the American. people and not debasing their currency. anymore. But he doesn't want to do that. In fact, he wants quite the opposite. He. wants the Fed chairman to lower interest. rates. He wants more money to be lent, more money to be printed because that he. assesses that that'll be good in the. short term and help him win the midterm. elections. Um, but of course that's like.

what got us to this place to begin with. So once you're not once you're not. willing to compromise on actually. cutting spending and you want to keep. the empire strong, now you got to come. up with other schemes. Well, maybe we. put a tariff on Chinese goods, then. maybe that'll make them more expensive. so people will want to produce here. But. those type of schemes never work out, man. You just can't tax your way into. prosperity. >> Yeah. We'll put a tax on ball caps or. whatever on butterscotches or whatever. >> because real people got to pay those. taxes, too.

>> And it just comes back to the people. It's like. I don't know. We're at such a spot where. it's like. it's like how much more can we take? We're also gotten too comfortable. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's like we're too. comfortable. like how it's it's e it's. hard to like be like, "Yeah, I'm going. to go and talk about this or I'm going. to go um protest about this or I'm going. to uh not pay my taxes or you know, it's. hard to and when you like, ah, but you.

know, we got Netflix, we got this. There's enough food in the cupboard.". >> Yeah. When you're when you're. comfortable. Yeah, that's right. People. aren't going to No, no comfortable. country ever leads a revolution, you. know. But but at the same time, one of. the things that I find really. interesting statement, man, no. comfortable com country ever leads a. revolution. >> Well, there's a but I I will say. >> we're getting uncom it's just like. >> but there's a big trend I I think I we. talked about this a little bit last. year, but this was a big trend. One of. the things that I'm really optimistic. about that I just think is really.

interesting is that so like one of the. crazy things and you were a big part of. this but one of the crazy things that. happened in the 24 election was that the. whole like the whole corporate media uh. what used to be called the mainstream. media which seems like a ridiculous. title for them now uh cuz like they're. not the mainstream at all but they kind. of had to admit it was over like if you. there was there was. >> Did you see a CBS clip? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, which is crazy that it's the first one. that like it's you're the first one who.

mustered up the thought. Here, here, play it. Yeah, this is actually this. white guy to do it, too. This is CBS. says that uh starting today, >> they will be reporting the news more. from the average American perspective. rather than solely the opinions of the. liberal elite. >> It's just such a funny thing to announce. that CBS is going to do news. Like, you're like, "Hey guys, we're going to. try something new here." All right, this. is a crazy thought. I had a crazy. thought. We were workshopping this for a. little while. What if we reported the. news and not through an angle that. always protects uh you know Goldman.

Sachs? Maybe we'll do it through an. angle that's like for you. >> Is that crazy? >> Yeah. Let's hear it. >> A lot has changed since the first person. sat in this chair. But for me, the. biggest difference is people do not. trust us like they used to. And it's not. just us. It's all of Legacy Media. And I. get it. I get it because I've been. hearing about it from just about. everybody for more than 20 years as I've. traveled America on this assignment or. that. My mom's neighbors in West.

Virginia, my own neighbors in New York. City, thousands and thousands of. conversations in between. Sometimes. people want to talk to me about our. coverage of NAFTA or the Iraq war. Other. times it's all about Hillary Clinton's. emails or Russia gate or more recently. COVID lockdowns, Hunter Biden's laptop, or the president's fitness. >> I just can't. It's like, you mean when. you ruined the country? Does that come. up? Does it come up that you destroyed. the greatest country in the history of.

the world? >> You had people fighting about [ __ ] that. you knew wasn't real. And never even an. apology in any of that. Dude, my. neighbors and I didn't talk for like a. year and a half because of the Russia. I. was like, that's complete [ __ ] I. could just immediately I knew when I saw. like none of this makes any sense. Russia Russia is a bunch of [ __ ]. rusted out vehicles. Um and all these. all these. >> kids carrying stone dolls made out of. stone which I respect because there's a. lot of like you know you really learn to. do something if you if the doll is. heavy. Um you know there's something. about that that I really respect but.

that this I just knew it just seems so. ridiculous. Maybe 50 years ago maybe but. not today. Well, right. And and then. just like as he just casually mentions. like or lockdowns, it's like, oh yeah, like when they when they turned our. country into a totalitarian state. Remember they did that for a year plus. and you guys did what? Wait, you guys, you're sitting here, you're the. journalist. You have this role as the. media and you always talk about how. important this role is, right? And then. they lock down the country and you.

decided in that moment, here's what. we'll do. will demonize anybody who's. skeptical of this. We'll call you names. We'll we'll shame Americans for for. demanding some degree of basic liberty. dur during a crisis. And then, by the. way, you know what happens as a result. of that? When you do it, which by the. way, there's been a ton of studies on. this now. They didn't even the lockdowns. didn't even slow the spread of the. goddamn virus. It it wasn't even like. there was a benefit that you got this. cost in exchange for. It did nothing.

the lockdown areas, the things spread. just as badly as they did through. non-lockdown areas. Mass compliance had. nothing to do with anything. But you. know what was real is how many families. got broken up over lockdowns. How many. AA rooms were closed and people couldn't. go to get recovery and ended up. relapsing? >> How many people fell off the wagon dur. during lockdowns? How many people who. were like on the edge ended up losing. their apartment, ended up living outside. on the street? How no all those guys. they got to live with that tragedy? and. you but your response is to go finally.

after all these years I'll acknowledge. some people were upset about this we'll. do it a little bit differently going. forward like shouldn't you resign in. disgrace like just just I mean like. listen I'm trying to be reasonable here. I really think you should fall on a. Japanese sword in public in front of a. lot of people but I I will accept. resigning in disgrace uh and picking up. garbage on the side of the road for the. rest of your life. >> and they've shunned that dude they got. caught jerking off in the Zoom meeting. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

He He faced more consequences. Tubin. faced more consequences than any of. these guys. >> That dude, they at least they made him. come on because he was jerking off. during a Zoom meeting, which first of. all, who doesn't want to jerk off during. a freaking Zoom meeting? And who hasn't. if you're if your most your body's off. screen? >> How do you not? >> Yeah, >> it's an impossible challenge. Um, is it. crazy, Theo, that I get now, cuz I do. this, you know, whatever the weird. career that I have is, but like I'll get. all these people now, like high-profile. people who will be like talking [ __ ].

about me. It'll be like Dave Smith, what. does he know? What does he know what. he's talking about? He's some comedian. He's not an expert. He get and look, fair enough. What the [ __ ] do I really. know? Right? I am just a comedian who's. read a lot about this stuff and I get on. shows and I talk about like it's like. this, it's not like that. So, like, fair. enough. Call me out. I'm just a guy and. if people want to listen, they can. If. they don't, they don't have to. But I'll. be arguing like I I'll be arguing on. Twitter with um Desh Duza or recently. David Wormser. The remember last time I. was on here. So I remember last year I.

told you about the uh the clean break. memo that uh uh it was uh the neocons. wrote to Netanyahu to get away from the. peace plan and to overthrow Saddam. Hussein for Israel. So the guy who wrote. it. >> is now talking [ __ ] to me on Twitter. The neocai he was at the Pentagon. He. was at the State Department. And they'll. say things to me like they'll be like. they'll be like Dave you this guy's a. comedian. He doesn't know what he's. talking about. You go dude you were the. architect of the war in Iraq. Go away. forever. Like you don't get to tell you. get to come out here and go who does. this guy think he is. Who do I think I.

am? You got a million people killed and. didn't get punished for it. Just kindly. go away. Is that an unreasonable. request? >> I know. >> Like I But anyway, the CBS guy it I. guess what's interesting is at least. he's acknowledging it. >> I guess at least bizarre. No. By the. way, also in the background of this is. that CBS News was just purchased by the. Israel lobby. Yes. >> And so this is their. >> Oh, yes. I'm sure we can really trust. you now. >> Yeah. Let's play a little bit more of. that clip of the guy that was talking. >> Fitness for office. The point is on too.

many stories the press has missed the. story because we've taken into account. the perspective of advocates and not the. average American or we put too much. weight in the analysis of academics or. elites and not enough on you. And I know. this because at certain points I have. been you. I have felt this way too. I. felt like what I was seeing and hearing. on the news didn't reflect what I was.

seeing and hearing in my own. >> You're living in a dystopian time, bro. >> Yeah. It's like and and then is it too. much for me to ask that you resign in. disgrace, >> right? You know, like if or in disgust, I should say. Like I'm I'm saying like. if you if you're going I've felt that. same way too at times. Well, then what. the [ __ ] man? Like no one's putting a. gun to your head. So So leave and blow. the whistle and become all of our hero. and go have the biggest podcast ever, you know? Like it's not even like a. difficult thing to have done. It's not. even like like there is more culpability. for you than there was for the average.

Nazi soldier. At least the average Nazi. soldier was like, "I'll get shot in the. head if I don't do this." You know, like. you had nothing except giving up a $10. million salary or something like that. Like, you know, and and and by the way, you could still go make lots of money. cuz the people would rally around you if. you did something like that. And like. it's like when there's that tape of um. >> if you're not going to tell the truth, what are you like, you know what I'm. saying? I mean, >> yeah, that's your job, >> right? It's like, but it's like if. you're not going to try your best to. figure it out, I don't know. It just I.

couldn't imagine sitting there. regurgitating lies like just how much it. would make you crawl on the inside. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's an it's an amazing. ability. I mean, I've been close up with. it and it's it was one of the things. when I debated Chris Cuomo, it was like. one of the things that really was like. it was startling to see because it how. comfortable he was just lying like lying. through his teeth. A um a a demonstrable. lie. Like I would I would say like there. was one point in it and the Patrick BD.

David production staff always be. grateful to them because man, they got. my back that day and they had the clip. They pulled it up real quick. I went, he. went, "Look, I don't think the guys at. CNN should have mocked Joe Rogan for. taking Ivormect." And I went, "You did. You mocked Joe Rogan for taking. Ivormect." And he goes, "No, I didn't.". I go, "Yes, you did. I've seen it. I've. watched you do it." And then he goes, "No, I didn't." And then they pull up a. clip of him going, "Joe Rogan, Ivormectton, I mean horse dewormer." And. the entire room, because it was a live. show, the entire room goes, "Oh." And. then he goes, "Oh, no, no, no. I was.

saying like vet the veterary version, not the regular version." You go, which. version do you think Joe Rogan was. taken? You think Joe Rogan went to the. pet store? Like, yeah, he's got a few. bucks. I don't know if you've heard, you. know, but there. >> at a [ __ ] Petco. You think he drove. and parked at a Petco and walked in. there past the gerbal cages? >> Like, believe it or not, Joe Rogan can. afford doctors. >> They're grooming the dogs right in the. front when you walk in. >> Uh, hi. I'm world famous Joe Rogan. I. was here to pick up some ivormectton. I. have a prescription for my dog that I'd.

like to fill. >> Oh, you got worms, Joe? But these people who work in corporate. media, man, they get real comfortable. just saying like a knowing lie that they. will just repeat because that's the. business. But the thing that's. interesting to me, and this is the last. year, right, is that they admitted it. cuz this was true 5 years ago, too. 5. years ago, four years ago, three years. ago, Rogan had a much bigger audience. than CNN had. But they would still. pretend like he was the fringe and they. were the mainstream media. But after. Trump got reelected, they admitted it.

They all said, "We need our own Joe. Rogan." like they admitted that the. podcasting is where it was and part of. that is cuz Trump very wisely and I. guess I've heard that it was uh his son. who convinced him to do it but he went. on your show and Joe's show and Andrew's. show and you know like some of the other. ones Milk Boys. Yeah, I don't know them. but like yeah they're huge uh I've. learned and so he rode this kind of. podcast wave where the new media was. He. went to them. Very smart. And then there.

were and and I thought it was really. like even when on your show with him, one of the things that was cool like. we've never really seen that just like. in the middle of a presidential season. where a president comes in and just. doesn't really talk politics. Talks. about like his his brother's struggle. with alcoholism. You're like, "Oh, wow. We kind of get to see a candidate in a. new way." Now, one of the things I think. that's interesting about this now, what's happened over this last year is. that a lot of those guys, and I remember. arguing about this with people at the. time, but they were kind of like, "Oh,

now the the problem is that all these. podcast bros are just Trump stands now. and they're all going to just, you know, support him no matter what." And I was. like, "No, I don't think so, dude.". Like, I don't think. >> that's never been the thing. And so. what's interesting is that this whole. media environment, like if JD Vance. wants to be president, >> like I'm not saying he has to come do. your show, but he kind of has to come do. your show. He kind of has to go do. Rogan's show. He kind of has to like do. or at least he's turning down a big. opportunity not to.

>> And so and it will be known by people, I. think, if you don't go do Joe's show. If. you don't do um. >> you know, I'm trying to think of like. Schultz's show. uh that uh you got at. least do some of them. >> or go to go sit with Tim Dylan. Yeah, >> that would be amazing. >> Well, cuz you know this will do huge. huge numbers, >> right? And you know though that it will. be uh that that Joe's going to do his. best job to be, you know, he's going to. do what he does best, which is he's the. best to do it. Uh. >> but I just think that controlled, >> right? That's the thing. And they're.

going to have to answer some questions. next time. And like that's one of the. interesting things right now, right? cuz. like there was over this last year. really I mean it's the last two years. but really over this last year there was. this huge like um this huge split in the. right wing over Israel obviously um was. the biggest cause you think. >> I think that look obviously Charlie Kirk. uh being killed was a but look Charlie. Kirk was already dealing with it before. he died like it was a dynamic at turning.

point it was a huge uh scandal when he. had Tucker and me and and Megan Megan. Kelly at Turning Point and then he's he. went on Megan Kelly's show and talked. about how all the Zionists were like. flipping out on him and how crazy it was. that he had been such an ally and they. were turning on him just for hosting a. debate and hosting a few voices that. were critical of Israel. Um not really. that many on uh actually but this was. this has been a huge split, but it's not. a split like it's 50/50. It's a split. Like the entire youth is against this.

unconditional support for Israel. A huge. portion of, you know, like Candace and. Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes have. been surging over this last year. They're they're bigger than ever. Meanwhile, Ben Shapiro is like losing a. thousand YouTube subscribers a day. Mark. Levin is just getting ratioed every time. he opens his mouth on on social media. And so what's happening now is there's. this dynamic where. >> I thought he was Jim Kramer. I didn't.

even know who he I I kept I got. confused. Go on. But now there's this. situation. >> Well, so but I'm saying now you have. this dynamic where. >> JD Vance wants to be the the Republican. nominee. Well, like 80% of the base is. against is for America first, not for. Israel first, you know. And now and. particularly with all those shows we. were talking about like your show, Rogan's show, Tim's show, Andrew's show, all these guys, everybody, my show, all. all of us are like, we don't want to.

fight wars on behalf of Israel. So, it's. like where do you go now? Now there's a. now there's a real media environment. Not saying it's perfect, and I'm just. naming the comedians. There's a lot of. other great like news shows out there, too. Uh like Breaking Points with uh uh. Seager and and Jedia and Crystal Ball is. a great uh show. like there's there's a. bunch of really good uh shows online. that aren't in this corporate controlled. media environment where they're actually. going to have to face some of this stuff. going forward. So, I'm like I'm very. optimistic about that kind of long term.

that we've like cracked the state's. monopoly on propaganda. >> Yeah, it is going to be interesting. because they're going to have to answer. I don't know if you're going to be able. to say you're a pro-Israel candidate. >> It's going to be tough. Now, here's the. thing is that and they're going to be in. a Charlie Kirk type situation here. And. I'm not talking about Charlie Kirk's. assassination, but I'm saying the. position that Charlie Kirk was in right. before he died. And the reason why he. was sending those text messages to Josh. Hammer and them that I have no other. choice than to abandon support for. Israel and why he was complaining about.

all that stuff on the Megan Kelly show. is that he was caught between a rock and. a hard place, which is exactly what JD. Vance is going to be caught between now. because you've got well look in order to. in order to lead an organization like. Turning Point USA, you need your young. activists and then you need your donors, right? You need billionaires to give you. money, but you need young activists to. show up. And so Charlie Kirk was in this. position where he's like, "Dude, the. young activists are completely against. this shit." But the donors won't even. let you host a debate about it, let.

alone take that position. And so what do. you do there? And now JD Vance is going. to be in a similar position, too. If you. come out and you say, "I'm pro- Israel.". Well, man, I mean, at this point, that. turns a whole lot of us off. But if you. say I'm anti-Israel, that's a tough me in Washington DC. You. can't survive there for long. So he's. got to try to walk this tight rope that. is becoming more impossible by the day. >> He's going to need a strong mascara. >> Yeah, you better put your best mascara.

on for that one. >> type [ __ ] And I like JD, man. I He. knows. >> I like JD, too. I'm not Listen, I like. JD. I even would like to maybe be able. to support him. Yeah. But I'm in a. position right now I don't see how I'm. gonna be able to. At least from from my. perspective because you're coming off of. you're gonna be attached to the. administration that uh did everything. Netanyahu wanted and covered up the. Ebstein scandal and didn't solve any of. the major problems in the country short. of maybe the border. Um and also JD.

Vance, what are you going to say? What. are you going to run on? This time will. really drain the swamp. Like what are. you gonna And also just because Trump is. Trump, he can't really criticize Donald. Trump because he's still his vice. president as he's running a presidential. campaign. >> It's a tough spot. >> Y, >> bro, he's the tightest rope in the. world. Now, there is something about. that tight rope that I can tell JD like. loves. Like he wants to challenge. himself. He's a guy who's challenged. himself a lot in his life and he wants. to challenge himself. So, he's going to.

try to navigate that. That's going to be. super tricky to figure out because those. are I mean that's like as I mean that's. just like a it's such a fine point. >> Yeah. Well, you I think you know you see. it like already. >> That's such a fine point, man. >> Well, it's happened a lot just with um. >> and it's kind of become mag America. first too is kind of where that thing. where where that uh where the Republican. kind of the right divide is like yeah I. was I mean I like Trump the first time. cuz he was an underdog. I was like, "Oh, this dude is just some guy." Like I I.

know he's Donald Trump and I know he's. like been known for uh crooked antics. and um dodging like um. contractors and [ __ ] over the years. >> Um but then also it was like [ __ ] if. this guy wins. I remember when he won. the first time I remember driving down. the street and thinking oh [ __ ] anybody. could be president. >> Well especially. >> and it was the feeling you had when you. were a kid a little bit like dude I. could be president. just the idea that anybody could be. president. >> because there's something about Donald. Trump that even though he's a. billionaire, he's such a regular guy,

billionaire like like he's he's he's a. billionaire the way the average guy in a. trailer park would be a billionaire if. you gave him a billion dollars. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's not pretending. not to be a billionaire, >> right? But right, but it's also just. like uh it's like how about we make it. the biggest gold sign ever? It's like. someone who never had money who just. like is like wants to show off that he's. got some. Now I see why him and Kid Rock. are so close because Kid Rock is like. that. He's like, "Let's make it like. this, dude.". >> Yeah, it's right, which I love that guy, by the way. Um, but he's awesome. I met.

him last time I was down here. I met him. at uh I did his show. >> which was so much fun. Uh, he does like. a comedy show in the Nashville Comedy. Festival or I did that last time. So. much fun. He's a awesome guy. Um, but so. Donald Trump and then also you had he. speaks like a regular guy. Like he. doesn't speak like a high flutin. academic or something like that. He. speaks like a regular guy. Regular. people can understand him. And then he. announces he's running for president. And his again, his pitch is drain the. swamp. Uh um and I'm going to fight for.

you. I'm going to fight for you to win. And then because he says that, every. media apparatus, every Hollywood actor, academia, and the entire political class. all hate his guts and are working. against him. And so he's naturally just. cast as like the underdog, the guy who's. there for you, who's going to take them. And then he sits at South Carolina. It. was so ballsy. And Donald Trump always. had an amazing ability to like say the. obvious truth and then insi give you. permission to also agree with him. So.

like he goes in South Carolina of all. places at the Republican primary and he. looks at Jeb Bush and he goes, "Your. brother lied us into war.". >> And like and there this was an amazing. moment in American history. So he says. this to Jeb Bush and Jeb Bush goes, "That's very offensive that you would. say something like that." Then he. doubles down on it. He goes, "They lied. There were no weapons of mass. destruction and he knew there were no. weapons of mass destruction." Like the. the biggest accusation you could make, your brother led. I mean, you look at.

South Carolina. It's one of the most. militarized states in the union at the. Republican National. He's like saying, "Your brother's dead because of him and. his brother and what they did, you. know." And then that night on all the. cable news, it was unanimous by everyone. who knew, all the experts, all the ones. who say, "I'm just a comedian. I don't. know what I'm talking about." They're. the experts. Every single expert went on. TV that day to say, "Donald Trump is. done. He's finished." Because let me. tell you, one thing you can't do in. South Carolina is insult the military.

and George W. Bush and blah blah blah. blah. And then the next day at the. primary, Donald Trump dominated. just. destroyed Jeb Bush who walked away with. like 1% or something like that. Just. destroyed him. And so and then that guy. >> ends up siding. By the way, did you see. this the other day? This is this is how. bad the Trump administration has done. one year in. You know who just praised. Donald Trump on Twitter? Jeb Bush. >> Uh-uh. >> Jeb Bush. >> You're lying. I swear to God.

>> It'll be right up there at the top. It. might Oh, I think it's that first one. Yep. Right there. Pinned tweet. The. Islamic Republic does not represent the. great Iranian people. President Trump. continues to demonstrate historic. leadership on Iran. So why Jeb Bush is. now praising Donald Trump. And why is. it? Because Jeb Bush woke up and became. a lot better on stuff. No, it's because. Donald Trump is finishing off what was. the seventh country on General Wesley. Clark's list of seven countries that. were to be toppled. >> Oh, that's true.

>> If you remember that last time, people. try to give me [ __ ] for bringing this. up. Was that with the neoconservatives? >> Well, yes, it was him talking about the. neoconservatives plan that they had uh. that they had just instituted under the. George W. Bush administration. And this. this list of seven countries with Sudan. being the one exception. Now, Sudan did. collapse and fall into a state of civil. war and the country broke off and I. think there's still a horrible civil war. going on there. Good. >> athletes. Very good. Uh but of the other. countries, okay, there's six left on.

that list. Israel, the US, or both have. attacked all of them. Yeah. Since that. point, bombed all of them. And the last. regime change was supposed to be Iran, which okay, Donald Trump stopped short. of regime change there, but he did. launch a war against the summer and. still flirting with it. That thing is. not over at all. We're at Halime. Again, like the mission accomplished banner, like the people with Venezuela right. now, they always love to celebrate. immediately. Oh, Dave, you warned this. might be a catastrophe, but look, it was. just 12 days. You're like, yeah, but.

look, it's not over. Like I'm old enough. to remember very vividly uh in 1991. after George HW Bush led the Persian. Gulf War and all the war hawks were. celebrating what an easy success the war. in Iraq was. But then we went on to bomb that country. for 30 more years and lost trillions of. dollars and a million Iraqis died and. 5,000 uh of our bravest young soldiers. died and then like 30,000 committed.

suicide in the aftermath of the whole. thing. So you sit there celebrating. these wars right after, you know, like. in the immediate aftermath of them. And. Netanyahu and Trump were just talking. the other day about when they're going. to bomb Iran next. That thing ain't over. at all. But anyway, the point being Jeb. Bush loves Donald Trump now cuz he's. siding with the Warhawks. He's siding. with the neocons against his own voters. >> That's a I mean I don't know. Like. whatever you think about him, you ha. there's you have to respect.

his ability. >> Oh, for sure. >> Unless Now what about this part? Do you think that uh. do you think that assassination attempt. was real. >> after this much time has passed? >> The uh the Butler, Pennsylvania one? I. mean, >> did you see that reverse camera shot. that came up the other day? >> No, I don't think so. >> They showed the reverse camera shot of.

the Butler, PA shooting. This was like. new footage that hadn't been shown. before. >> Oh, really? No, I missed that. >> Uh. >> yeah, this is just new. has been shot. Oh no. >> Either that or they're covering. We. don't know. Either that or they're. covering him. >> We love you. We love you, crazy girl. >> We love you. >> We love you. We love. >> Now they've ush he ushers in.

photographers from the left side of the. stage. This is kind of bizarre. We love you. >> That is crazy. The flag was lowered in a. position. Is this real? >> Or is the flag being lowered or is the. camera moving? That's a good question. Oh, nice shot. >> That if they paused to lower the flag. though, >> that is But we are li that everything.

just feels now like we're living in a. kind of like a diarama or something like. we're walking in a total Truman show. It. feels like. >> it does. It does feel like a like one of. those time travel movies where like you. go into the future and everything's. wrong and you're like, "Oh, someone's. got to go back and fix this. What did we. do? Something was supposed to happen. different. >> Go back. Show this a little. Go back to. that flag lowering. I want to see that. part. I mean, that's.

>> flag is lowered in position. That camera. doesn't look like the camera's moving, >> dude. That's crazy. That's crazy. And it's crazy to think. this is how long they were. They had. this dude up on stage like, get him off. of the stage. >> It It was crazy. And then it's odd. behavior shows how they stage the famous. photo and then he starts moving the. camera people come around like wouldn't. there be people pushing the camera. people away like whoever could get close. to him right now. >> Well look I mean. >> why his press agent went to grab. photographers after shots were fired.

then they lower the flag into frame. Um it's just wild. >> It is it is weird. Um but also Trump had. the presence of mind to be like let me. make this a photo op one way or the. other. I mean, clearly he said the first. thing he says is wear my shoes. Like. he's like Trump is so cognizant of being. the alpha and like like he's he's just. the ultimate genius marketer says PR. person. So he knows like even in this. moment I got to be strong, get my shoes.

on. I'm not walking out of here. barefoot, you know? I'm gonna throw my. fist up. I'm gonna like to like he's So. that's like it's amazing how hardwired. into you that has to be. You know what I. mean? To have it in a moment like that. I've always thought there were just. so many questions about how this could. have possibly happened. Yes. And that or. things that are really not answered and. >> and it went by fast. >> and there's and there seems to be no. even like desire to get to the bottom of. this. We got to figure out what happened. obviously. >> because because the people who are.

supposed to be figuring out what. happened, they're it's. >> Well, they're making apologies at C CBS. about how they're going to do better. going forward. >> If they're the ones if they are somehow. the same ones who created this. >> Yeah. >> Then of course they wouldn't keep. looking into it. It would be so rid. that's that's at the that's where you. realize it. It's like, oh, >> of course they wouldn't. They'd have no. because you couldn't maintain a real. strong enough desire to continue to look. into something if you knew there was. absolutely nothing there. Yeah.

>> Right. Especially if you had created the. false the falsity. It's like bring that. back up though. That flag lowering is. unbelievable, >> bro. They lowered the flag into the. shot. >> That is crazy. >> Oh, they staged a famous photo. That's crazy. They lowered the flag. And. then one of the other things it says is. that how the Secret Service has always. been prepared to act after an. assassination attempt. That's not even. and that's not even mentioning how his. ear apparently regrrew this new camera.

angle makes it look really suspicious. Um I do think it is interesting how they. just allowed photographers to get right. there. Like wouldn't you think what if. somebody's coming to stab him? What if. one of these people. >> Right. Right. Oh no. You you would think. you're in a moment of complete chaos and. confusion. You have no idea where the. threat is. They have no way of knowing. if it's a lone gunman. They have no way. of knowing whether there's a team of. people here. Right. I mean, this is. >> And what happened to that shooter? >> Well, they they ultimately killed him. Yeah. They they took him out. >> or they just put some kid on a roof. >> If they remember, they said they they.

said that they couldn't get on the roof. because it was too slanted. But then. they killed the guy and his body didn't. roll off. So, even a a dead corpse. stayed on the roof. >> Uh it it was all of it made no sense. And then they said he had no internet. history. >> It is very very bizarre. This is fun to. talk about and look at, huh? It's wild. That flag lowering is bonkers. >> Yeah, that's a little strange. >> And the but the the wound to his ear. I. mean, bro, how.

of what are the odds? And also just the. way he turned at the moment. I mean, it's the craziest thing ever to just be. like that. A shot was coming at him and. you just like you rolled with it like. you're a boxer rolling with a punch. >> Where my shoes? >> Yeah, bro. I thought he said, "Where are. my Jews, too?" That's what I thought he. said, dude. >> That would have been crazy if he said. that. >> And then if someone went, "Well, obviously they're here.". >> Yeah. Yeah. He's just like, "Just making. sure I got my boys with me." You know, >> dude, you know what's weird? And this is.

totally. >> Did Where are my shoes? Did he have them. on? Did they get knocked off or. something? >> I guess I guess he hit the ground at. first, so I guess he lost them in the. shuffle of that. >> First of all, imagine being going to. something I guess and wearing shoes that. are comfortable and casual enough that. you could slip right out of them. >> Yeah. Really, you got to have some. balls. I'll say this. Whenever Whenever. Trump does pass away eventually in time, if he does, they got to auction off his. balls, dude. Or give him They got to. auction off his balls. >> That would He should start thinking. about provisions for that. He's already.

over the average life expectancy or. right up there. I don't know. >> They said close to it. >> They said they were going to put um they. were going to create a $250 bill with. his face on it. You see that? >> Yeah. probably because all the money. he's printing. It'll it'll only be worth. 20, but they'll make you a nice Trump. bell. >> Yeah. The Trump $250 bill refers to the. HR1 1761, the Donald Trump $250 bill Act. introduced in February 2025 by. Representative Joe Wilson. Um, did it. pass? The bill proposed an exemption to.

laws preventing living people on. currency, though it's Oh, living people. can't be on currency. The bill proposes. an exemption to laws preventing living. people being on currency, though it's a. symbolic proposal. The bill was introduced in the House of. Representatives February 2025. Its. future in Congress is uncertain as. proposals often face significant. legislative hurdles. The US currency. denominations haven't gone above $100. for general circulation. You know, I. don't know if you feel this way, but I I. just find myself over the last year just.

really getting tired of a lot of this. stuff. And like it'd kind of be like one. thing if Trump was doing all the the. right things and then you wanted to. rename the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of. America, you'd be like, "Yeah, okay, sure." You know, like that's fun. And I. like triggering libs as much as the next. guy. So like that's. >> fun. Or let us have a let us have a game. each year, a competition, and whoever. whatever country wins a competition. It's like an America, South America, whoever wins gets gets to name it gets. to have it for that year. >> Well, that was a great idea. But it's.

like now after like when you're just. like kind of like being Israel's [ __ ]. and then you're burying the Ebstein. stuff, but I repeat myself. It's like. and then he goes like we're renaming it. to the Gulf of America. You're like shut. up, dude. Like give me something. serious. It starts to feel like you're. just insulting me. It's like you start. like bragging about how you're redoing. the White House or how much nicer it. looks than when Joe Biden was there. Like yo, I don't care, man. Like the. average guy like people who are making. 70 grand a year can't afford to live.

>> Yeah. >> You know, like that's a real thing that. where we live in a society now in my in. my grandfather's day, you could just. work. My grandfather worked at a. factory. That's all he ever did. By the. end of his life, I think he had been. made floor manager of the factory, but. that was his whole life. He just worked. in factories. All his buddies worked in. factories. None of their wives worked. They all owned homes. They all had two. cars. They played poker on the weekends. They sent their kids to college. They. participated in like the country in the. ownership class. They owned their house.

You know, today a 25-year-old, even if. they got a job where they're making 70. grand a year or something like that. They're living with a roommate. You know. what I mean? Like they and their chick. is working and they don't know how the. hell they're ever going to buy a house. Average house is going for 700 grand. No. idea how they're And like. >> they're ovulating stressed eggs and then. they're making DS down syndrome children. half the time. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And those kids are back in the. factories. You know what I'm saying? Like. >> well we and we don't even know because. there's so much goddamn poison around. and you know all the stuff that that. Bobby Kennedy always talks about. It's.

like I don't know. I don't know any of. which one of them was the culprit or. not. It's like is it the fact that we do. 50 vaccines now instead of 12 or that. there's plastic in our water or that. there's all these chemical like I don't. know that all our foods overprocessed. and all this [ __ ] I don't know. But. it's bad. We lead the world in in uh in. like uh disease. come to America where. we don't care if we take care of our. health or our um like our procreation, you know? >> Well, think about even like right the. Epstein thing which look nobody knows.

exactly and I guess probably will never. know exactly like the entire details of. what type of intelligence operation this. was. And even when people say like, "Oh, he worked for MSAD or something like. that." You're like, "Well, somebody. doing what Jeffrey Ebstein was doing. wouldn't have been like an employee of. the MSAD." You know what I mean? They. would have had an actor outside. We know. already that he was organizing meetings. for the MSAD and Russian like uh. oligarchs. We know that Ahoud Barack was.

coming over and like staying at his. house and stuff and that the you know. that Alan Dersuitz was his confidant and. his lawyer. like he's all tied up with. Israel and the Israel lobby. But so if. it is what it looks like, which is like. are you telling me that like a foreign. government that by the way is our. welfare state that our we pay portions. of our taxes to every year? You're. saying they ran an op to rape American. children, American girls to compromise. people or at least there were American.

girls raped in the process of this. network of events and that you're. covering that up. >> like what and then you're going to sit. here and tell me about how you redid the. White House or something and I'm. supposed or or even just like the moment. like when he called the reporter a fat. pig like he called some female reporter. a fat pig and then you're just kind of. like. >> dude you're scumbag, piggy, whatever. But like, you're a scumbag, dude. >> And it was over an Epstein question. >> Was it. >> tense exchange that President Trump had.

with the press aboard Air Force One is. now going viral. It stems from the words. that he chose to try to get a female. reporter to stop asking questions about. the Epstein files. >> Here's the clip. incriminating. >> Oh, so. >> that was Catherine Lucy. >> Yeah, that's that's that shows like a. there's a nastiness to Donald Trump. And. when it's harnessed the right way, we. all loved it because the people he was.

taking on were so evil. And so when. Hillary Clinton goes, "Good thing. someone with your temperament's never. president." He goes, "Cuz you'd be in. jail." We're like, "Yeah, dude. Get. her." You know, but then you turn it. around and like, look, this wasn't. someone in the liberal media asking you. about Russia Gate for the 19,000th time. and you're like, "Shut up. She was. asking a totally legitimate question.". Like, sir, you campaigned on releasing. these files. Your FBI director and. deputy FBI director and attorney general. all told the American people they were.

going to. She asked a totally reasonable. question about the files and then he. just goes to this vicious like insult. And I don't know, look, I know there's a. lot of people out there who still. support Donald Trump. That's fine. But. like, I'm out. I just don't I can't. >> I can't defend that [ __ ]. >> I mean, no. It would be crazy if the lady had a. name tag on that said piggy. Right. >> That would if there was another angle. that then showed that and you go, "Oh, man. H this is like one of those videos. where I blamed the cop, but then I saw. that the guy had a knife. Ah, shit.".

>> It's like, it's almost like a Family. Guys like quiet. He's like, >> and then and then after people go, "Oh, you see Trump go? Well, it's Piggy. There's her name. I was just I don't. know. >> Or if it was Halloween or something, you. know, and she was. >> She's got a pig nose on. She's dressed. up as Miss Piggy. >> Yeah, that's the only way that I think. that would have made sense. >> I'll apologize if that if that. information comes out. >> That just I think that irked me because. like um it was like you start to assume, okay, maybe the girl's thick or like a. you know, or um has some thighs or.

something like that, maybe. or it just. isn't uh a body style that he likes. Um. and so that that's why he was like. trying to find. >> Yeah. Like you think like he was trying. to say the thing that'll have her crying. tonight when she gets home or whatever. >> Hurt her feelings and everybody hates. that. >> And also but it's just over it's clearly. in that example. It's over his. defensiveness. Yeah. His insecurity that. this isn't going well for him and that. he's covering something up and he looks. bad. >> But it just seemed Yeah. You remember.

when Elon said when him and Elon had. their their split and that was the thing. Elon went to? That was his go-to when he. got real furious. He goes, "Oh yeah, well, let me tell you something. It was. like your girlfriend saying you have a. little dick when you break up or. something like that." His go-to was. you're Trump's in the Epstein files and. that's why they haven't come out. And. that was before he made his whole move. to like publicly try to cover them up. And I do I got to say does make you. wonder does make you wonder what exactly. did Donald Trump do. He definitely knew.

the guy. He definitely partied with the. guy. And he's on record. I don't know if. you ever seen this a videotape of him. talking about how Jeffrey Ebstein likes. the ladies young. >> Like he he knew something about that. >> Do your best to find. >> although there's the they have the. quote. I've known Jeffrey Epstein for 15. years. Terrific guy. He has a lot of fun. to be with. He likes uh the beautiful. women as much as I do. And many of them. are on the younger side. >> from 2002. >> So 2002. I was I'm almost positive I. have seen it on video, but that's the. statement. But still, like ah really.

weird things to say about a guy who 6. years later gets convicted for. soliciting an underage prostitute. Like. >> Yeah. It makes you wonder what type of. control. these higher entities have, right? >> Yeah. >> Because do they do something like that. with Trump where they say, "Okay, we're. going to we have a bullet that's so. accurate." Cuz who knows? Maybe they. used a drone right here. You know what. I'm saying? And had it 20 ft off or. hidden behind the You don't know. They. could have, you know, they could have. done something like that and just said,

"Okay, if you don't do this, if you. don't whenever this phone rings, if you. don't pick it up and do whatever it. said, you're going to die." Right. You. have to just wonder what kind of things. are they using? Because that could be. the ultimate thing. You know what I'm. saying? We're going to harm someone from. your family. >> Yeah. Um well it's something people have. always wondered about because you know. you get people who like we know right we. know for a fact that these are people.

who will lie the country into war you. know like so these are people who are. comfortable with like killing a whole. lot of innocent people right. >> for an agenda and in fact I think like. uh um. Uh Henry Kissinger even kind of said. like his whole world view was that once. you rise to the upper echelons of power. there's no such thing as like morality. anymore. This is like a grand chessboard. kind of, you know? And so like once you.

look at things like that, like just. think about like if you were you were. like. >> if you're willing to make the decision. >> to send Israel more weapons after you've. seen what they're doing with those. weapons or even you'll go over there and. like Nikki Haley autograph a bomb that's. about to go be dropped. Like even if you. even if you somehow supported what. Israel was doing, which I I don't know. how you could, but even if you did, like. you'd go, "Look, it's so horrible that. they have to do this, but they've got to. get Hamas out or more people will end up. dying or some, you know, whatever your. rationalization or justification was.".

You still recognize a lot of these bombs. are dropping on kids. I'm not going to. autograph it. This is something like. this so tasteless and evil. But so. you're already that type of person. What else would they do to control. people? Well, it seems like Kllin's not. off limits. So, it does make you wonder. like what and and we know some things. like from history like we know um the. way say like uh the FBI was blackmailing. Jack Kennedy where they were basically. um. >> Were they?

>> Yeah. Yeah. They uh Yeah. Yeah. It's all. these all been like uh um well reported. on and documented that um in fact. >> Jack Kennedy you mean. >> John F. Kennedy? Yeah. So, in fact, even. in the in the movie that they did, they. had. >> his wife's name was Jack Kennedy. Jackie. Kennedy. Yes. Yes. Yes. They but they. called him Jack uh for that was his. nickname. But uh No, they they um uh. what's his name? um the head of the FBI. um JFK movie. >> Uh Hoover uh um John Edgar Hoover like.

presented Bobby Kennedy was the attorney. general and he presented him with a. whole long uh like document of all the. women that JFK was cheating on his wife. with and then gave him a like, you know, don't worry, there's we we have all of. this. We'll make sure it doesn't get. out. You know, hey, who are you thinking. of nominating for FBI director? cuz I'm. thinking you do me again, you know, like. and then they did and he just had and so. there's all types of different levels of. that [ __ ]. >> And you know what's messed up, dude, is. like it's dark and it's twisted, but.

some of it also sounds kind of like. there's an excitement and there's a. there's an addiction about the. nefariousness. >> Yeah, I think so. >> There's something tantalizing about it, you know, >> and I bet there's something I I bet. that's true with just power, you know, like just the power has got to be a. drug. Everything must just be. >> when I was when I first started standup. So this would be like I started in like. late 2006 and this was somewhere in. 2008. So I've been doing comedy for like. two years and I it was my first road gig.

that I ever did. uh Jay Ocherson brought. me and it was in Detroit at uh Mark. Ridley's Comedy Castle and they at the. time like none of us had none of us sold. tickets or anything like that but they. papered the room so it's a full room and. I had only I had maybe been in front of. like 70 to 100 people in like my biggest. shows and this was a 350 seat room. papered I was super nervous but they. were an unbelievable crowd like they. were it was easy they were just white I. was a brand new comic you know it's.

probably doing like kind of horseshit. jokes but like I they worked and I was. getting last, but I had never done a. room of like 350 people and they were. hot. They were just white hot. They just. loved everything. It was easy. And just. the I remember the feeling of just. killing with a room of 350 people, which. I had never experienced before. And it. be almost like just being like. intoxicating, you know, like just like, you know, it's just so great and like. almost like there's nothing I could do. in life right now that could ever. recreate that feel cuz, you know, there's something about being a new. comic, too, that like even doing like a.

big room now, it's still fun. It's still. great, but it's not quite like that. first when you're so nervous and then. it's so awesome and then it's so But so. like imagine the feeling of power of. when you could like move nations, you. know, like you could make a decision. And I'll tell you, there's this tape of. Hillary Clinton right after uh they. overthrew Mar Gaddafi, which was her. big, they called it Hillary's war. It. was she was and even Barack Obama in his. memoir said she was really the one who. pushed him over the edge. He was like.

50/50 about it. Hillary Clinton really. got him to do it. And they wanted this. to be the thing she ran on. >> for against Iran. >> No, this is against uh Libya. This when. they overthrew Gaddafi in Libya and she. comes and this is when you might. remember there's like her famous thing. where she goes she goes we came we saw. he's dead hah and then just starts. cackling laughing. And you can see in. her the sociopathic excitement that she. just overthrew a government of a nation. like and now Libya has been a failed.

state ever since and probably hundreds. of thousands of people have died and. there's open air slave markets still to. this day and even by the time she was. running for president 2016 she couldn't. run on this anymore because it was 5. years later and the whole thing was a. disaster already. But look at the. happiness in her face. Look at the. excitement. >> It's so I mean that is the land of. unconfirmed. As we came, we saw he died. >> Did it have anything to do with your. vis? >> I mean, she's talking about a human. However you feel about Moar Gaddafi, he. was a rough dictator. She's talking.

about a human being who was dragged. through a street by an angry mob and. sodomized to death. >> Like, I'm just saying most normal human. beings would have at least a thing in. them where you're like, you probably. aren't cackling about that. Yeah. >> Like a couple days after it happened. >> Yeah. I just I I guess there's a there's. this other world where it's like it's. just dark up there. But yeah, people are. toppling nations. People are thinking. about world power and world control, >> moving trillions of dollars around, you. know, like it's it's uh there so there's.

there's an element of that and then you. know there's obviously an element of. like there are ideologues like there are. people who believe things like the guy. David Wormser who wrote the clean break. strategy who I was arguing with he. believes things like he's he's got a. world view, right? So he's a a Jewish. neoconservative who believes that the. relationship between Israel and the US. is in our interest and all of these. things and believes that Israel is the. cradle of Western civilization and that. if we topple these regimes it will. improve the region. But the reason why a.

guy like David Worms can go to. Washington DC and actually get things. done isn't really because everyone there. is an ideologue. It's because weapons. companies will fund the think tanks that. produce that type of [ __ ] right? Even though it's the dumbest [ __ ] ever. His whole plan was that like they they. would install a Hasheite in Iraq and. that the Shiites of Iraq would have to. listen to the Hashemites. It's all. ridiculous. It's like they're they're.

like a um. >> it's like a Muslim lineage that. supposedly is royalty or something like. that. Like the king of Jordan is a. Hashemite. They're originally from Saudi. Arabia. I forget like the whole story, but they're they're not native to. Jordan. They're Arabs. But anyway, the. whole plan is ridiculous. But the reason. why like Bill Crystal, like all the. neocons, their think tanks were always. funded by like Loheed Martin and Rathon. It wasn't cuz those guys believed in any. of it is business. It's just like, yeah, there's going to be another war. We'll. get to sell a whole bunch of weapons to.

the government and rip them off, you. know, and make hundreds of billions of. dollars. So, like it's a so like I don't. know. There's just all these things. going on at once and I don't know. exactly how they control everybody, but. it sure is interesting watching all. those guys, you know, you just like you. watch Cash Patel on a podcast and then. Cash Patel, you know, when he's in power. and man are they different people. >> Yeah, it's wild. I mean, it it the wildest. thing to me is. how kind of.

accessible everything kind of seems. It's like the fact that like comedians. are trying to be comedians. Well, we're. comedians, you know, comedians like. ourselves or people that have started a. podcast at some point that the fact that. we're all that. >> I don't know. Sometimes it just blows my. mind. >> Well, it's crazy. It's a crazy. >> we're involved in it somehow. Not. involved like in an egotistical way like. we have some, but it's like. >> Yeah. It's just like what the [ __ ] are. we doing, dude? We And it's it's only. because the news just completely [ __ ].

[ __ ] itself. Well, it's a there was a. weird thing that happened it at the. exact same time. there were these two. phenomenons where number one was that. the media had like been exposed in a. really big way and there there were a. lot of issues they were exposed on but I. do think the two most devastating ones. to them were co and uh um Biden's sility. >> because the the two things are that. >> number one like I mean there was WMDs in.

Iraq really degraded the institutions. and things like that um the Obama. recovery there were a lot of things. Russia gate is a big thing. But like if. you look at say I remember arguing with. people about this, a couple people who I. I like and respect, but I was arguing. with them about so when I was supporting. Trump in in 2024, they were like, "Dude, what are what are you doing? You had all. these criticisms of Trump his first. term. He did all these bad things and. now you're supporting him." And I was. like, "Look, man. This has got this is. going to destroy the corporate media.".

And that's like the most important thing. in America right now. Now, what they. said, their their counter to me, and at. the time we were guessing because we. didn't know where this was going to go, but their counter was they go, "Yeah, but Dave, last time Donald Trump came. in, the media ratings actually went. through the roof." Like MSNBC and CNN. got higher ratings in 2016 when Trump. came in. And I was like, "Yeah, but. that's because of Russia gate. They got. everyone to watch cuz they said they had. this bombshell story." And then that. turned into nothing. But the big. difference now is after COVID and after. Biden being scenile, no one trusts those.

guys anymore. So they're not going to. come back. And I I turned out to be. right about that prediction. Like they. the numbers didn't go back up this time. And so anyway, there there is something. there where like CO and CO affected. everybody. It wasn't like the war in. Iraq. Like yeah, you kind of know they. lied us into war and a whole bunch of. people over there died. And maybe if you. know someone who went over and served, you know, and and if you're lower on the. socioeconomic scale, you're more likely. to know someone. But like a lot of.

people don't know anyone who went over. to Iraq and it didn't really happen. here. It happened over there, you know, and yeah, we deal with the occasional. terrorist attack or something like that. But like it did but COVID changed every. it affected everybody's life directly. And it all got proven to be [ __ ]. And then Joe Biden, it was just you. don't need to pick up a book or even. read an article to look at Joe Biden and. the average guy could just go, "Yeah, this guy's clearly has lost it and. you're lying to me." And so that. happened at the same time the media blew. every major crisis of the 21st century, lied through their teeth and was were.

exposed. And the technology got to a. point where essentially you could have. you would have needed like a. multi-million dollar budget to have a. studio and a show just a decade ago or. two decades ago. Whereas now. >> now we live in an environment where some. random guy Yeah. can just post something. and then he'll have like the CEO of the. Daily Wire going, "This kid's a bigot.". You know? Did you see Did you see that? That the not the CEO, it was the uh like. the some title some higher up at the.

Daily Wire tweeted a some kid just some. kid who made like a video. He he had. asked a question at a Turning Point. event and then made some video and then. he goes, "Look at the Nazi youth scum.". So like some regular like The point is, when we were younger, it would have been. impossible for you to even get the. attention of that guy. >> Oh, if you'd ever got Who was the guy on. the on the Today Show? The black guy. Um, uh, kind of chubby. Lost a lot of. weight. >> Oh, yeah. Uh, Al Roker.

>> Yeah. You would have never been able to. get Al. >> You can't talk to Al Roker. That's Al. Roker, dude. >> Al [ __ ] Roker, dude. >> Yeah. It's like that's Al. >> Yeah. Like maybe you would see a famous. person on the street one day and that'd. be like exciting. But the idea that now. some kid, some 25year-old like. right-wing kid could get like a a. journalist at the New York Times. furious, you know, and like and and even. this story, which I got to say I am a. little bit skeptical of the kid uh. Shirley, I think is his name, right?

Because I saw one because I did see the. other day that CBS, I believe it was, did send a camera crew down to one of. those places that he claims were and. there were kids there and stuff and they. should. So it was all it was not exactly. what he was representing it to be. I do. think there's probably widespread fraud. there, but I'm just saying making the. point that this guy, at least to me, was. an unknown unknown entity as of last. week. He got like last I had seen it was. over a 100red million views. >> on the video. And so it's not CNN who's. breaking that story. It's not NBC or.

CBS. >> Nobody believes them anymore. They've. lost their cred. They've lost their. credibility. I mean, they're sitting. sitting here semi-apologizing. for not even really apologizing, just. saying kind of mildly admit something. like, shouldn't there be a class action. lawsuit against them? Yeah. >> Is there any code of liability? Like. could there be a class action lawsuit. against them against for something? Yeah. Well, it's right. It's not even. like you go to jail or there's a. lawsuit, but how about just like mass.

firings, resignation, something? No. Instead, and then for anyone paying. attention, you're like, "Dude, we know. what just happened. The Israel lobby. just purchased you. Barry Weiss is now. in charge because you guys are bleeding. support. You're you're not even in the. business of news. You're in the business. of an agenda, obviously." Right. Like. it's almost like so I I don't even like. sometimes with people like Barry Weiss. and Ben Shapiro and all these guys, people who are sure not fans of mine, but it's like I would at least just.

appreciate just admit you're the Israel. lobby. Then at least we could have an. honest conversation. At least admit your. priority here is Israel and then we. could talk about. >> again pro just skewing things pro. Israel. Yes. Like they just had those. announcements of um of like that they. need who was the guy who just said we. have to adjust social media to to or. we're going to lose the first amendment. Did you see that guy? >> Oh yeah yeah yeah. Right. Yes. Yes I. did. I did see the video and bookmark. it. I forget what the guy's title was.

But also just these people are like so. concerned about they'll be like you know. there's this rise of anti-semitism and. like fair enough. I I personally, and. maybe I'm biased because I'm I'm Jewish, so maybe I'm not, you know, the one to. speak on this, but like personally, I've. always been very critical of Israel and. the Israel lobby, but I'm not like. critical of Jews. Regular people are. regular people, and you shouldn't judge. individuals based on groups. I'm against. collectivism, unlike Son Donnie. Um like. I I don't I'm an individualist. Uh, but.

if you're real concerned that there's a. rise in hatred toward Jews, isn't it. kind of reasonable to go like maybe you. shouldn't have prominent Jews out there. saying we're going to repeal the First. Amendment? Like maybe that's not. helpful. >> Yeah, I don't know if this does help. I. I mean, I just don't understand why this. guy just in Israel cyber security. billionaire Schlommo Kramer says it's. time to limit the First Amendment. We. need to control all the social platforms. and take control of what they are. saying. Let's see see this.

>> I know it's difficult to hear, but it's. time to limit the first amendment in. order to protect it. >> and quickly before it's too late. >> What do you mean? >> I mean that we need to uh control the. platforms, all the social platforms. We. need to stack rank the h. authenticity of every person that. expresses themselves online and take. control over what they are saying based.

on that ranking. The government should. social media. Yeah, that's what you want. to hear out of a thick out of a thick. Israeli accent. >> But [ __ ] anybody who says that kind of. thing. >> Yeah, that's right. No, you're my enemy. now. >> Yeah, you're the enemy, dude. you're. going to control. what we say in order to but this is the. crazy part to protect the first. amendment. >> It's George W. Bush's line about the. free market is he said when they asked. him about the banker bailouts they go I. thought you were supposed to be a free. market guy now all of a sudden you like. socialism when it's big banks that fail.

and he said I had to abandon the free. market to save the free market. >> That sure is a nice way of saying. nothing. Um actually you just abandoned. it. You didn't save it at all. you just. bailed out a bunch of rich bankers and. actually government taking control of. what people are allowed and not allowed. to say isn't preserving the first. amendment. That's just this is straight. up Orwellian news speak like it we're. just everything is there's it's there's. this it's there's another level of. control. It's I think like it's never.

been more obvious that there's another. level of control but but also that. people are nervous because I don't know. if you'd have a guy saying this sort of. thing. I mean, a lot of. >> So, they're freaking out. >> A lot of social platforms. I know Tik. Tok just got bought by um Ellison um. from Oracle. and there's a lot of concern that. they're going to uh try and you know. limit or or dictate what can be said on. there, you know. >> Yeah. Well, that's what look I mean. that's what all of this is about. And.

this is kind of what I meant by like at. least just be honest with it. look like. the reason this guy's saying this and. the reason they just bought Tik Tok and. the reason Barry Weiss was just. installed at at CBS News is all for one. obvious reason which it's the letter. that Charlie Kirk wrote to Benjamin. Netanyahu and Benjamin Netanyahu right. after Charlie Kirk got murdered read a. couple lines from that letter but he. didn't read the whole letter. >> Did he write him a letter? I didn't even. know that. >> Yeah. Yeah. So the letter basically says. we're getting killed out here. The.

Israel side is getting annihilated. >> Dear Mr. Prime Minister, one of my. greatest joys as a Christian is. advocating for Israel and forming. alliances with Jews in the fight to. protect Judeo-Christian civilization. >> So Netanyahu reads that part. >> You know, it doesn't mention any of the. rest of this. >> Most recently, I'm proud to have taken. over Ambassador Huckabe's show on TBN. where we continually support Israel and. the Jewish people. Um, my team and I. have spent months analyzing these trends. and de debating ideas that could help. you and your country push back against.

the disturbing developments. anti-Israel. sentiment can undermine American support. for Israel. The purpose of this letter. is to lay out your concerns and outline. uh. >> if you get down to it later. I mean, he. just he basically what he's just saying. here is like listen, he has a whole. proposal for what Israel has to do for. their new PR strategy, but he's very. brutally honest. And he's like, you guys. are getting killed with the young people. here. And so anyway, that's just the. point is that all of this that's why. you're talking about limiting the first. amendment because everyone's talking.

about how evil the Israeli regime is. Everyone's talking about how much undue. influence they have over our. >> So why not just be this be honest about. that. >> This is what like I wish they would just. tell us why we pay Israel every year, right? like and I know some of it is. that they just buy weapons and it's it. seems like it's like this it's like a. lot of defense and technology stuff and. and that's a lot of it's not like we. just send the money there but um. >> I mean we do send the money there but. then it's used to buy we know it's like. part of a. >> a percentage of it is spent on our. military companies so so yes a.

percentage of it is redistributed from. the working class in America to Israel. but don't worry a percentage of that is. also redistributed from the working. class to big weapons companies so if. that makes you feel better so that they. can use those weapons to drop bombs on. behalf of Israel on like Houthies in. Yemen, the poorest country in the Middle. East, and then they can sell new weapons. to our government. Right. >> And then we can also weaponize those. countries to fight back against us. >> Right. Right. Right. Oh, and also, you. know, and look, I mean, it's the same. it's it's the crazy thing with like.

these uh these guys celebrating the. success of Venezuela. You're like, "Look, dude, the war we just had an. Afghan uh who murdered a few American. citizens, right? because he was one of. the the people who was a collaborator. with us in Afghanistan. And so we felt. we had to protect him by bringing them. in as we brought in a whole bunch of. them here. And also who was a. collaborator with us in a war means. what? He was a 20-year-old who grew up. in a war. So yeah, there's a whole bunch. of like PTSD and crazy [ __ ] going on. there, too. How many of those are we.

going to have out of Venezuela? The. answer is we don't know. We don't know. It's a total guess. >> Palestine. >> Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. No. No, and I'm. real I am real concerned about that. stuff too, man, because long-term. effects. >> Well, this is this is what motivated a. whole lot of the terrorism problem that. we've had to deal with from the very. beginning. And so, you think you're. going to just fund and and arm this. genocide for two straight years? There's. a whole bunch of people who really do. hate our guts over that. >> And but but regular humans like us, regular American people are the ones. that suffer because we're the ones out. on the street that are walking somewhere.

if there's a mass shooting. these rich. people, these fancy or you know like. these elites, they never deal with. anything like that, you know, like. they're all have security and are. protected. It's like it's the everyday. person out on the street who's got to. worry about some psychos, you know, going off. >> Well, that's but that's the whole thing, dude, too, about the nature of our. decadent elites that's so infuriating. And there's so many examples like this, right? where like even dur during COVID. if you could think about like how much. they're lecturing everybody else for not. wearing a mask but then you see Gavin.

Newsome or you see Nancy Pelosi she. ain't wearing a mask they're at the. fancy restaurant yucking it up right but. it's people who they live in gated. communities but they call you a racist. if you believe in a strong border they. got armed security but they believe in. gun control for you you know they got. they uh they they you know destroy. public schools but they send their kids. to fancy private schools so they don't. got it's like they don't got to suffer. any of the ramifications of the hell on. earth that they bring through for all. these other people. And obviously like. the the biggest victims here are the.

Palestinian people. But yeah, it's also. the American taxpayer who gets ripped. off. And we also open look uh Muhammad. Ata who was the lead hijacker, right, who flew into the North Tower. He was. radicalized when Israel slaughtered a. bunch of people in Lebanon. >> He signed up with Osama bin Laden that. week, I believe. It's like this is one. of the m it was one of the biggest. grievances that Osama bin Laden had was. your support for Israel and what they do. to the Palestinian people. His other. >> letter to America you mean it in his. letter to America I I believe it was in.

there and and in he had two declarations. of war against America which I think. were even more interesting than the. letter to America. But he lists his. grievances very clear. He didn't like. that we had our bases in Saudi Arabia. And why did we have our bases in Saudi. Arabia? For the dual containment policy. against Iraq and Iran. Well, who needed. Iraq and Iran contained? You know, like. it it's always and and so it's like we. we do this at our own peril. >> Yeah. It's almost like the elites, they. just they they open up like the game of. life and we're all the pieces and we're.

all the like and they're just playing. this thing like it's not even real to. them. Oh, it's your turn. Yeah. Go to. the community chest. Get some money out. of there. Oh, go over there. You want. some houses? Sure. Sell them. You want. some oil? Get a railroad. Whatever you. need. Oh, your dad owes you whatever. Oh, it's just so crazy. >> Yeah. Yeah, but like you said, it is. more it's so much more exposed now than. ever before and that's what makes that's. what makes the the time so interesting. to. >> Yeah. I will say this, it's interesting. This year is going to be interesting. Do. you think that things get even crazier. this year or do you think.

>> because I do think there becomes a level. of kind of like exhaustion, right? And. there becomes a level of like. >> we're not going to get any truth. We're. not going to get. >> um and then and then truth people who. are trying to seek truth, right? are. trying to share truth that they're. they're not even going to be able to. allow be allowed to put their. information out there. >> I think uh. >> that's probably the biggest fear of this. year. >> It's hard to make predictions. >> I'm not saying me. I'm just saying for. other. >> No, I understand what you're saying. I I. think it's hard to make predictions.

because such so many crazy things happen. and so many things are going to happen. So like now, right? Okay. Well, what. happens with Venezuela? That's a huge. question mark and that's going to have a. huge impact on where the rest of this. year goes. But where things are right. now, my best guess is at the end of this. year uh in November, I think the. Democrats are going to destroy the. Republicans in the uh in the midterm. elections really. >> And I think I think they're going to I.

think they're going to run and win on um. on affordability, which has been this, you know, which I hate the term because. it's like they literally just like it's. price inflation. We already had a term. for this. It's debasement of currency. Well, now you come along and you make. some other term and then you go, "Oh, and the answer is socialism." So, the. answer is we need more government even. though the whole problem is that we have. so much government we can't afford it. We have to print the money. So, like I. think they've got it completely. backward. But at the end of the day, >> that's actually what people care about,

man. People are getting killed out here. What they actually care about is that. it's like, you know, I talked to my my. father-in-law who's a truck driver and. he's been a a trucker for 50 years or. something like that. And um he's you. talk to him, you know, he's like, "Listen, I see how much taxes they're. taking out of my uh paycheck every week. and the price of everything just goes up. and up and up." That's what he wants to. talk about. You know what I mean? Like. that's what that's what the entire. working class of America's thinking. about. And so Trump could sit here and.

brag that he degraded Iran's. non-existent nuclear weapons program. >> No one cares. No one cares. like the to. the extent that people care were against. it and even the people who are for it. it's not act so I I just think as of. right now he hasn't delivered nearly. enough he he overpromised like crazy end. the Ukraine war on day one you know all. these things which I think he's he's. tried to at least do that but he's. failed so far and so unless he can rack. up some wins like some real clear W's.

for the American people not I liberated. the Venezuelans which no one believes. was actually the the the goal Anyway, the last thing we want as as a people. here is to have the now there's like. this stress of like, okay, well, what do. we have to do to take care of them now? What's that going to cost us? We're over. there, you know, like what were they. really doing? What are you guys really. trying to do here? It's just like. >> it's just whatever. It's a shame to me. because also like. >> look like take if you take Zoron mom. Donnie the who just uh got sworn in as.

the mayor of New York, right? Mhm. >> Like they it was such a funny thing, man, because they first off they ran quo. against him of all the people like he. was the establishment figure, the the. murderer governor who like killed all. these old people and locked down the. city and then just had all this baggage. and then he's also a huge Israel. supporter, a friend of Netanyahus and. all that. And so they thought the way to. attack mom Donnie was to go like he. won't even commit to visiting Israel.

And you're like, "Dude, everyone hates. Israel right now." Like, what? So, but. in his speech the other day, he has this. line that of course a bunch of the. conservatives are flipping out about, but he said, "We're going to something. like, we're going to shake off uh rugged. individualism in favor of collectivism.". >> And I just find it so interesting that. the guy, the one guy who's running for. mayor, it's not a position that matters. for foreign policy, but he would at. least, you know, I don't like socialism. and I don't like wokeism, and he was one. of each. But he at least stuck stuck up.

for the poor Palestinians a little bit. and I kind of liked that. But it's so. funny to hear that guy embrace. collectivism when like hey you want to. see collectivism look at Gaza. That's. collectivism. That's collective. punishment. That in fact what is the. defense you want to play the clip? >> Yeah play the clip. >> We will draw this city closer together. We will replace the fragidity of rugged. individualism with the warmth of. collectivism. If our. >> campaign demonstrated that the people of. New York yearn for solidarity, then let.

this government foster it. >> because no matter what you eat. >> Well, let me let me say my point. So the. look, when I say what's going on in Gaza. is collectivism. What the number and. I've done like a bunch of debates on. Israel Palestine over the last couple. years, like you know, um, dozens of. them. And the number one defense, I'm. sure you've heard this back too, right? The number one thing that an Israel. defender would say to you is um don't. start a war. You know, they'll go this.

is war. Yeah, innocent people are dying. It's terrible, but it's war and Hamas. started the war and this is what happens. when you start the war and therefore. it's on Hamas. Right? And so like now. look, there's a lot of things wrong with. that defense. Like part of it is that. like, okay, yeah, but what about a. brutal 60-year occupation? What about. being kept as permanent refugees for 80. years? What about you killing a whole. bunch of people? Like who really started. it? But the most fundamental thing. that's wrong with saying that's why you. don't start a war is that the people. we're talking about didn't start a war.

That two-year-old girl didn't start a. war. What are you talking about, man? This this mother who's who's cry who. just lost her child is she didn't start. a war. She just You got kids. Half the. people in Gaza are kids. They didn't. start anything. They just got [ __ ]. They just got born into hell. You know, like that. They didn't start anything. And so collectivism is like saying, "Oh, you're collectively responsible." No, you guys as a as a you guys started this. war. You go, "That's just what bigotry.

is, man. That's just blaming everybody. for the sins of one group." That's. saying a black guy mugged me the other. day, therefore blacks mugged me the. other day. Like, no, they didn't. There's some other black dude had. nothing to do with that who is just. getting blamed for that, you know? And. so, it's interesting to see the guy say. like, "Oh, we'll we'll shake up.". actually individualism is the reason why. what Israel is doing is wrong. Collectivism is what would justify it. >> What What do you think will be different. uh with him in office there as mayor? And do you also think some people think. he.

um he's actually for the opposition? Really? >> I don't know. Do you ever see um you. ever he had one of my favorite woke. tweets of all time, which what was the. Did you ever see the um it's the. defunding the police queer liberation. tweet? If you just look that up, momi. defunding the police queer liberation. I. believe the tweet still hasn't been. deleted. It's the It's a great like uh. woke ad mad lib. >> Queer liberation means defund the.

police. Zoron mom like he was real into. that woke [ __ ] back then. I I just love. it really does feel like you just picked. out woke words and put them all. together. Um but that's I don't think I. think this guy's just kind of like an. intellectual lightweight and uh kind of. goofy. I don't think he actually gets. that much done in New York City is my. guess. >> I can't imagine. I mean, >> but maybe. I don't think any of it's if he gets any. of his plans through it ain't going to.

be good. Well, you know what I like I. think and this is just my perception, right? I could be totally wrong. What I. liked about him was I just felt like he. was the underdog. >> Well, that is true. No, he he was he was. and the entire establishment was always. that's the thing that always gets me. It's like were you are you the underdog? >> Well, I get I get that impulse and I do. I share that too. I I feel the same way. I was kind of rooting for him to some. degree too because of that same dynamic. I guess it's just like the problem is. that like essentially the Republicans.

endorse a whole bunch of socialism, you. know, like there's a we have giant. entitlement programs. Um, you know, social security and Medicare. They're. actually both of those programs are. socialist programs, but they're. socialist programs that redistribute. money from a poorer group to a wealthier. group, which is pretty indefensible when. you think about it. like young people. are poorer than the old people that they. have to work to pay their social. security and Medicare payments for. >> That's pretty wild. But they're assuming. that it's them. >> Yeah. Supposedly, but what's actually. happening is you're transferring wealth.

from a poor to a richer group with the. promise of like you'll get some back one. day. Um Medicaid is actually a welfare. program that redistributes from working. people to poorer people. Uh but they're. giant socialist programs. The military. itself is a giant socialist program. It's a big government program. So the. Republicans endorse a ton of socialism, you know, and then um the the Democrats. whenever the Republicans, you know, lead. to disaster, they go, "Well, what we. need is even more what we need is even. more government, even more socialism.".

And there's just what America really. needs is Ron Paul, um who's, you know, just turned 90 and I think he's got one. more presidential run in him, but I'm. not sure. He might be he might. >> I don't know. His emails are getting. >> but the look the point is the real. >> I look I love Ron Paul but I his emails. are getting a little bit. they need his the spell check and you. can tell. >> all right listen that's fair the guy's. not perfect but he's the closest to it. look I he could be perfect I'm just. saying he's got to spell check his [ __ ].

over there but also we just went through. the Biden thing I don't think he can. push an old person. >> I'm just I was I'm joking about him. being he's not running for president. again but Ron Paul was right about. everything he was right about just about. everything and he And the real answer to. all of this stuff is actually. Americanism, like true Americanism. And. the best part of Americanism, which was. always, and that's why that Israeli guy. talking about limiting the first. amendment, so infuriating. The best the. best what America needs is the Bill of. Rights, the Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, what we were always.

supposed to be, what we abandoned long. ago. That's actually what we need. And. you know, I saw um a good friend of mine. who I love and really really respect um. who I think is brilliant, uh Daryl. Cooper, and he was saying on Twitter. today that like he goes, "Dude, it's not. even it's pointless to make the argument. that this war in Venezuela was. unconstitutional." You know, he goes, "It's a pointless argument to make. because we've shredded the Constitution. years ago and we've already accepted. that presidents have these these war.

powers." And so, like I I mean, I don't. want to mischaracterize what he was. saying, but I think it was essentially. something like that. like the the. argument just rings hollow, but I just. kind of respectfully disagree where I'm. like, "No, man. Like, we either have the. Constitution or we don't." And it's a. whole lot better to have it. And could. anyone read the Constitution and act? Wait, this is where he said, "Stop. whining about the action uh being. unjustified or unconstitutional or. whatever. You look weak and might as. well be complaining that it doesn't. follow Hammurabi's code." Uh Trump knows. that American leaders are judged by. whether they win or lose, nothing else.

>> Now, look, he's right about that to an. extent, right? Like if Venezuela turns. around tomorrow and is a bastion of. freedom or something like that, then. that's a huge win for Donald Trump and. he's going to be able to brag and people. will go, "Oh, Dave, you care about. morality and the Constitution, but this. worked." So like he's right about that. But the point is that it's like, dude, if you just ex like the Constitution. claims to be the law of the land. The. Constitution is what created this. government. So if you're going to accept. that they don't have to live under that.

own constitution which they put a hand. on the Bible and a hand in the air and. swear our politicians Donald Trump if. they the political class who swears to. God in front of all of us that they will. uphold and defend this document like I'm. not arguing any of us are bound by the. Constitution but they are they swore an. oath to it. You know what I mean? >> They went into politics. That's their. >> Yes. their their obligation in front of. their nation and in front of God was to. defend and protect the Constitution. And. you can't tell me, dude, that it's. constitutional for a country that.

clearly poses no threat to us, even if. the drug accusations were true. It's not. like an immediate, it's not there's. nuclear missiles lined up on Cuba and. the president has to take action. It's. you had all the time in the world to. come to Congress to have a debate about. this and for our elected representative. government to you know like vote how. they feel about the war make their. arguments to their kids. But if you're. telling me that our the legal. justification that they're going with is. that he's not the president. That's what.

Marco Rubio said. No, we didn't get the. president of Venezuela. We just got some. drug dealer. He's just a gangster. He's. not the president. That was Marco Rubio. tweeted today. Uh that that's the like. dude come on. This is so illegal. This. is so unconstitutional. And if you're. just going to sit back and allow a. government to be that like, okay, well, that government who can violate the. constitution against Venezuela is. powerful enough to violate every. American citizen's rights as well. >> Yeah. It's weird. It's like we you have. to if you stand up for it, you have to. stand up for it. You know, and and also. one thing that was interesting was. whenever Ken Burns was here, we talked.

about the declaration of in Oh, this is. Secretary Marco Rubio right here. It. says Maduro is not the president of. Venezuela and his regime is not the. legitimate government. Maduro is the. head of the cartel de lo Solisles, a. narco terror organization which has. taken possession of a country and he is. under indictment for pushing drugs into. the United States. Who's he? He's being. indicted by us. But what proof do we. have that he is the head of the cartel. de lo? >> Zero zero has been offered. Zero has. been offered. It's not even clear the. thing exists. >> Yeah, I was looking forward earlier. >> Seems to be like some lowlevel midn. network thing. It's all [ __ ] And.

look like what they could say which is. might be true. I'm actually not sure but. this might be true. But they'll be like, "He lost the election." The election was. illegitimate or something like that. It's like, "Yeah, like I I referred to. them on Twitter as a sovereign nation.". And some a bunch of people were saying. that, "Oh, they're not a sovereign. nation." But it's like, "Listen, man. First of all, we do business with dozens. of countries that just don't have. elections like that just aren't. democracies at all." And also, you're. saying the last election was [ __ ]. >> Isn't that what Trump said about us?

Like is is that so so by your logic, could anyone just come in and depose the. Biden? Like even right-winger Trump. supporter who believes the 2020 election. was stolen. Do you really believe that. China or Russia could have come into. America 2 years ago and just kidnapped. Joe Biden? Like you would have no. problem with that. I think you'd right. away be like, "No, no, no, [ __ ]. We will decide whether our illegitimate. government stands or falls or what." And. so all of these things, this is all just. complete nonsense. I wonder how the.

people there feel. >> Well, there were some people celebrating. for sure. >> I saw that, but then also some of those. celebrations were happening in different. countries and stuff like that, so you. don't know exactly what was going on. One of them was also from a soccer game. after a soccer game in the streets. So, you don't know some of exactly what's. happening. >> And that also doesn't mean it's going to. lead to something that they'll be. celebrating. I mean, look, there's. >> this could be a nightmare for them. >> Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Ba'ist party, right? The Sunnis are like 20% of the. Iraqi population. And I think 60% are.

are Shiites. Definitely like there's a. super majority of Shiites in the. country. And so when Saddam first got. toppled, a lot of people were. celebrating. A lot of them weren't. Shiites who had been brutally oppressed. by Saddam Hussein. So they're. celebrating, but they didn't know that. they were about to enter into the most. brutal civil war where just hundreds of. thousands of people were going to get. killed. Again, I'm not saying because it. happened that way in Iraq, that means. it's going to happen that way in. Venezuela, but the idea that the people. are celebrating day one, like, okay,

yeah, look, Maduro was not a good guy. and he he was a a socialist dictator, so. like, okay, fine. There's people happy. he's gone, but that don't mean that what. replaces him can't be worse. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's just And then if we're. involved in it, you know, um how much. are we there to help? That's the. question that used to feel different. It. used to feel like we're there to help. and then now it's like are we there to. help or are we just there to serve. somebody's interest, you know? Um and. not even like a regular person's. interest, right? Um.

>> Yeah, that's right. >> One thing that Ken Burns said uh and he. did like the Ken Burns documentary, he. just um. >> he's a documentarian you know he is. Uh. he had he has a new documentary about. the American Revolution, but he said. that the Declaration of Independence um. it talks about the pursuit of happiness, right? And we talked about it being like an. active document. It's not like a. receipt, right? It's like a it's kind of. a um it's an evolving document, right? Like we're not guaranteed to have an. America, right?

>> Yes. Benjamin Franklin's line was right. Like some woman said, "What have you. given us?" And he said, "A republic if. you can keep it." M. >> which is like a great like and then. Thomas Jefferson had some line where it. was like uh the tree of liberty has to. be watered periodically with the blood. of tyrants and patriots. So like even. they we're going like this thing is. going to have to be kept like it's. there's going to be a process of having. to continue this thing like it's not. just like oh it's written down on a. piece of paper so it's a magic potion.

and now this guarantees a free society. But I will and I will say also like. because there there's like this debate. about like a a propositional nation. versus like a blood and soil nation or. something like that. And I'm not saying. like America isn't just a nation of. ideas. It's a nation of people like who. actually existed and a common culture. and a tradition and like all of those. things and Christianity and like there's. a lot of forces there. But the fact that. our first founding document is the. Declaration of Independence and the fact.

that we became the wealthiest, most. prosperous, freest, dude. And like it's it's so beautiful. that the sto that there's no country in. history that is started the starting. place is that we say man should be free. And also I I love this about the is like. in like the first sentence or the first. couple sentences they say it's. self-evident. They say they say it's. self-evident that God wants us to be.

free which is not actually self-evident. but I just love that as a starting point. that it's just like you know what here's. our starting point. We're not debating. that there's a God and God wants us to. be free. And then it says and these are. my words not the the thing but then it. says uh governments are just a thing. that man institutes to protect our. liberty. And if government's not. protecting our liberty, then we have uh. the right and maybe even the obligation. to violently overthrow that government. and institute a new one that will.

protect our fre like that concept of. like the individual and freedom and the. natural right before. It had never been. like based on a government or a country. based around that idea. >> Well, I think that idea had never really. occurred. I mean, it had been like I. think you were coming out of a time. where there was a lot of colonialism. It. was like us as a group and what are we. doing for you know our flag and our you. know or what are we doing like as a. group you know um and then America it. was like no we can be free you can be.

free y. >> yeah I think it lit the pilot light of. like creativity and individualism in. people. >> yeah no that's right and and was. something always to strive for like even. when we weren't living up to it and in. fact even right like I mean and look the. civil rights movement is complicated and. stuff but at the heart of it that was. Martin Luther King's uh that was what he. said in his famous uh um I have a dream. speech where he said I forget the exact. line but it was something like he said. uh we went to deposit our check and we. were told there were insufficient funds.

or something like that. He had a line. like insufficient funds but essentially. what he was saying which he did spell. out in other uh speeches was that he's. like you said all men are created equal. You said all men have inalienable. rights. So what are we talking like he was able. to play on that to go right the metaphor. is a bad check marked as insufficient. funds but basically but the bad check is. that he's saying like look we have these. constitutionally protected rights here. like. >> highlighting how the nation defaulted on.

the promisory note of the Declaration of. Independence and Constitution leaving. black people to cash a check for liberty. that came back unpaid. >> So he so he was able to say hey look if. the Declaration of Independence means. what it says then you can't have Jim. Crow. What are you talking? And so like. even like it was always something that. we and and then of course um America did. relatively to every other country that. had ever existed have the most free. market economy ever. We the most free. market lazare capitalist country that. was ever uh created and that led to the.

most prosperity ever. We didn't we. didn't become a rich country like in the. way that the French or the English did. It wasn't like oh you're you're an. empire that goes around and colonizes. other countries and extracts their. resources back to yours. We just built. things. We just had factories and men. who worked and you know what I mean? And. like so anyway, I just I think that. there's there's like there's been a huge. like we've gotten away from that as a. country for far too long. >> But do you think as people we have or do.

you just think that just as the as the. upper realm and as the leaders and as. the politicians? I think we've look as. people I would say we've allowed. >> our politicians and our government to. get away from all of those things and. for the government to amass. >> you've been eaten we've been too. comfortable. >> well and they've just been amassing more. and more power and it's like a it's this. this buildup effect where they always. take a little bit more and a little bit. more and a little bit more and then you. get to a point where the government. spends like over 7 trillion dollar a.

year. It's like unthinkable. >> And forcing most people into lifestyles. that makes it tough for them to even. have time to um see who they're voting. for and to know what's going on. >> That's right. >> And it's so hard to even know what's. going on. It's so hard to find good. information and real information. It's. just, you know, >> and now it's like where do you even get. that from? It's really really tough. because you can't like you got to just. believe anything Candace says, man. That's the new world we live in. True. >> I don't know, dude. >> She's pretty I mean she's brave, dude. >> Oh, she's brave. That's an. understatement.

>> That's what we were saying at the. beginning that Yeah. Um Yeah, dude. Her. kids play like games or like instead of. playing uh cops and robbers, they played. who killed Charlie Kirk. That's so. crazy. >> What do you think about journalism? Before you go, we got to get you out of. here in a little bit. They just had the. um they just had this stuff in Minnesota. recently where the where this young guy, Nick Shirley, I'm sure you're familiar. with him now. And like you were saying. earlier, like in a week everybody knows. his name now. He's been YouTubing and. he's been doing kind of like uh I would.

say kind of vigilante journalism for a. while, but like he kind of he was going. to investigate some of these um Somali. daycare centers. >> What were your thoughts on some of that? And then what do you think about. vigilante journalism? Like I think this. is just going to be like gasoline on on. um on just like anybody becoming a. journalist now. >> Yeah, I love that. I mean I think it's. great. And again, that's not to like. vouch for this kid or something cuz. Andrew Callahan's been doing it for a. long time. Guys like. >> No, I think those guys I think those.

guys are really important. And one of. the things that I found so fascinating. about this was just that look like. there's been there's been reporting on. the the fraud in in Minnesota before. this and there's even been like they. claim some indictments and stuff like. that. But like, dude, just the fact that. this guy is driving the media narrative. now and then you see CNN and and CBS and. them, they got to now respond to him. like he's it used to be and I remember. like when I started paying attention to. this stuff, which has been like 20 years.

or something like that now. Um it the. way it worked 20 years ago was that the. New York Times Sunday paper came out. every Sunday and then that dictated what. all the corporate media outlets were. going to talk about for the next seven. days. Like this was in the times and so. it filtered down. Now it's this guy with. a YouTube channel or with a Twitter. account and they can go and kind of like. it they can expose that like there's. this scandal and then like by exposing.

the scandal it also exposes the media. and the justice department and it's like. why is this kid the one who's bringing. us this information? But I do think. going forward that's going to kind of be. the new normal. >> Well, we already had the information, right? I think a lot of the information. was already there. But it is interesting. of how it served to you and how what. you'll like why now is it so much did it. seem more real cuz he was right there. with the people and you're hearing the. and all the windows are blacked out at.

all these places. Um and then some of it. like the learing center that seemed too. on the nose to me like that almost. seemed fake. >> That's it just seemed crazy that no one. would catch this. I mean like that Yeah, it did seem almost a little bit too. much. You're telling me a parent is. dropping their kid off there or even. somebody that works there that is. pretending and they're if they're. getting money and they're going to have. that. It just seemed that seemed like. stage. >> it seemed almost too on the nose. I know. what you mean. I know what you mean. But. what is interesting is that you know Tim.

Waltz um he ran on this as vice. president. Now, he said it at the vice. presidential debates that he was. bragging about how they upped the money. that was going to daycare and that him. and Camala Harris were going to take. this program and federalize it and bring. it to the national level. It's just it. really is something, you know. I don't. know. I find like I think there's so. many interesting conversations about all. of that, but I think that um like it. does it kind of ties back into the stuff. I was saying about inflating the. currency, destroying the purchasing. power of the dollar. Now everybody, it's.

so weird to me when you think about like. like when I was saying like my. grandfather could have his wife not work. and own a house and we are so much. richer than he was. The technological. advances between then and now. We should. be living at such a higher standard of. life. And yet almost no young people can. do that today. Like literally the only. people I know who can do that today are. like rich successful comedians. Like if. you know like rich people could have. their wife not work. That's the only. people who really do that these or or. pretty much. >> I know. It breaks my heart. It breaks my. heart that both parents have to work all.

the time if they don't if they don't. really want to. >> Well, so now while the while these. Democrats are talking about how the more. socialism, right, the government should. provide your child care, your daycare. for you now. It's like does anyone ask. like do we want to live in a society. where our kids are raised in daycare? >> Like I don't know. I got I got little. kids and I know people and I I know when. I say this people get upset sometimes. I. don't mean to be like judgmental of you. personally cuz I know if you put your. kid in daycare then this seems like I'm. attacking you or something like that but.

like I just can't imagine people drop. their babies. off at daycare. >> Dude, I managed a daycare dude when I. was like 15 and a half, >> bro. >> Dude, I love you. I never dropped my. babies off with you at 15 and a half. Are you crazy? >> When I was 15, I might have I might have. been 16. >> But dude, I remember one time I stayed. out really late. My buddy and I were. have been actually stealing boat radios. to put a radio into my car. And we're. like, "Oh, dude, nobody's monitoring. these boat radios like at at the marina. Let's go there, get some radios out of.

there." But there's some different. there's like a some of the wiring is. different or whatever. Anyway, [ __ ]. nightmare. So, we just got to work and I was like, "Well, dude, I'm just going to lay in my. car for a little while because we all. we'd been drinking a decent amount." So, I was like, I'm just going to lay in my. car for a little while and then um I'll. wake up whenever the sun pops up and. then I'll um manage the daycare or. whatever. And then so dude, bro, I. [ __ ] I guess the sun like it wasn't. that hot or whatever. I I parked like. where like the tree like I was in the. shade of a tree too much and I one of.

the um the owners or whatever came over. and knocked on my windows like at 8:00. and I was supposed to be there at 6:30. It was like 8:00 a.m. And dude, it was. like my car just smelled like vodka and. had all these [ __ ] radios all over. My hands were cut up from like getting. the radios out and um anyway, nightmare. But yeah, bottom line, dude. I ran Dude, we. >> You probably shouldn't send your kids to. that daycare. >> Yeah, but I'm just saying there anybody. can do a daycare, right? And we Dude, we. watched Terminator. I remember with them. kids and them kids were little.

>> Yeah. >> They shouldn't have been watching it, >> you know. >> Yeah, that I appreciate your honesty. there. But it is like a thing where. >> they shouldn't have been. I still feel. bad sometimes. I still wake up and I'm. like, "Fuck, they shouldn't have been. watching it." Cuz there's one scene. where you see like three tits in it or. whatever or Total Recall. >> Total Recall. That's I remember that. That's the three Tital Recall. And. there's a scene where the three tits are. on there and there's all these kids. looking at it. I'm like, "Dude, y'all. shouldn't be watching this.". >> That wasn't. >> And we were we were watching it. That. was a problem. I sometimes I forgot that. I wasn't I felt like I was in the class.

or whatever. Well, I will say a lot of. the reason I think why uh you know these. people who are like the big government. progressives and stuff like that and and. the whole kind of like neoliberal. culture in America which has always kind. of like for years been demonizing you. know straight white men and demonizing. patriarchal families and all of this. There's a reason why um like big central. governments. don't like the family structure and.

religion and community and all of those. things because they're all a hedge. against their power and the system, right? Like this inflating the currency. that leads to all the things we were. talking about, right? But that is. actually very good for the political. class. It's very like inflation in. general is very good if you hold debt. If you're a big debtor, inflation is. your friend because you pay off the. debt. Like if you if you want if you.

want to buy something but the money is. worth a lot less. Well, now your. hamburger used to cost five bucks. Now. it costs 15 bucks. That sucks for you if. you're the person who wants to buy it. But if you owe $1,000. and now. >> you're selling hamburger $15 less. Yeah. Yeah. you owe less than you did before. So like if you have debt, inflation is. your friend. And also in the old well in. the old it's not a bad thing to have in. an inflationary environment, but in the. old system like in the old order, right,

my grandfather would work at the factory. all day long. My grandmother would work, you know, taking care of the kids and. managing the house and cooking and. cleaning and all that stuff all day. long, but only one of those incomes was. taxable, right? My my grandfather's was. taxable. you can't tax my house, wife, grandmother. But if she goes into the. workforce, now there's two taxable. incomes. Then you hire a daycare worker. That's a third taxable income. And so. there's just way more revenue going to. the federal government when the. government's raising your kids rather.

than your mother. >> But it's not really so good for the. babies. >> No. >> Like it's better for the babies if their. mom and dad are the ones raising them or. their grandmother or their aunt. someone. who's just inherently always gonna love. them more than some worker at a daycare. >> Well, that's why when a kid's mom comes. to pick them up from a daycare as. opposed to your babysitter coming and. pick you up or something, there's just a. different feeling about it. Even. watching it, there's a different feeling. about it. Um, >> yeah. >> You know, and then you it's also it's. like if you get someone else to work, then you need another car now. They need.

another car to get to work, right? And. so then you have gas lobbyists and auto. lobbyists that are going to push for. those things. You need those things. >> That's right. >> Um. >> I don't know. But then also it's like, dude, I feel so bad sometimes because I. get stuck in these circles of just being. like like a Debbie Downer sometimes, you. know? And I don't think that that's. that's not good. >> No. No. And I think No, you're right. It's not good. And you don't want And I. also don't think we should be a downer. Like I'm I'm still somewhat pessimistic. on the short run here. Like I don't. think things are going to all these. problems are going to be solved.

tomorrow. But like we do we we're at the. precipice of a new age that's going to. be something wild that none of us can. really understand. You know I was who. was it was saying um. >> might have been Jimmy Carr. I can't. remember. Somebody was talking about um. when AI gets pointed at physics and then. we can like actually have AI like. inventing new things about physics. because like all the things that have. like really changed our world are. related to the study of physics like. that you know and the fact that like.

dude my grandfather fought in World War. II like this is a thing that happened in. the previous century. There were two. world wars. You know, things looked. pretty bad there for a while. Like. people getting slaughtered by the tens. of millions in World War I fighting in, you know, 17-year-olds fighting in. trench warfare and stuff like that. And. now we're we live in an age where like. an infection that would have killed you, you know, a hundred years ago is like. you go grab some emoxicylin, you're.

fine. You know, people literally you get. strep throat. That's like no big deal, man. strep throat without a moxicylin is. a really really big deal. And so we have. my my son was saved with a um open heart. surgery that just 30 years ago you just. would didn't have and I would have lost. a kid like so we do live in this amazing. time and we all have more of a voice and. more of a platform and more opportunity. to like to work together and find truth. Like I think there's a lot of really. beautiful [ __ ] going on, but part of. that beautiful thing is that we can.

expose how ugly this corruption is. And. man, even as somebody who's really lived. in the world of like being furious at. these guys for how corrupt it is, the. more you get, the more information you. get, it's so much uglier than you. So. it's like it's like a metaphor for life. in general, right? In life, you got to. deal with there there's like tremendous. beauty and there's tremendous tragedy. And we all have that within us. And you. all and you got to somehow like stomach. the tragic part of it so that you can. get to experience a little bit of the.

beauty, you know. >> Yeah. And even we're able to sit here. and at least like feed ourselves. We're. able to talk about things. Like there's. places where people have no freedom at. all right now, you know? >> Yeah. >> Um this is this video by Jimmy Carr. right here. Jimmy Carr drops a wild take. on AI and physics. >> Oh yeah, it was Jimmy Carr. I was right. >> He's excellent. >> Oh yeah. And this was on uh I think it. was on um is this on trigonometry? Yeah, he's excellent. Let's play it. >> The other thing is physics. So, this is Peter Teal's point, but minus.

the screens from any room, we're living. in the 1970s, right? >> So, nothing's happened in physics since. 72. String theory has not got us. anywhere. But if you take the compute. power of AI and point it as at physics, now everything else in science is stamp. collecting, right? Physics is the real. thing. That gave us everything. Every. bit of technology that we have comes. from the physics department. And you know what happens when you point.

AI at that? That's a that feels to me. like something that people aren't really. thinking about and is incredibly um. could be incredible. We could have a a. world of uh plenty where there's no, you. know, if we if we increase productivity. by 50 times uh and there's a human. flourishing, fantastic. I hope that's. the world. >> But they but they but we've done that. and they haven't. And I'm not. disagreeing with Jimmy. This is. obviously uh this is just a hopeful.

thought that he has and it's a beautiful. thought. >> Yeah. Look, like who knows? or maybe the. AI will become our overlords and we'll. live in some terrible a but like you. know what there's still that hope. >> and so then you know you got to keep. moving forward and there were there were. more hopeless times than this. >> that people and um and I do think that. it's like look it's it's quite possible. that we're going to come into an age. where it's essentially impossible for. politicians to propagandize their own. citizenry and it does seem like we're.

moving much closer to that and that. >> what do you mean by that tell me a. little bit more about it look I mean so. propaganda as their own citizenry mean? >> Well, look, just so to be clear. >> So, living through. so in in 2001, I was like 18, right? I. was born in ' 83. I was 18 in 2001. So, you had 9/11. The whole country is. totally traumatized. Um, for all of. 2002, the whole we invaded Iraq in 2003. for all of 2002, they just laid out this. war propaganda and there which was, you.

know, the Israelis played their role in. the Israel lobby of course and Benjamin. Netanyahu came and testified before. Congress that you know all this stuff. and um Perez was a former prime minister. of Israel wrote an op-ed in um in the. Washington in the Washington Post and. Ahood Barack Jeffrey Epste's good friend. wrote an op-ed in the New York Times all. saying you Saddam Hussein has weapons of. mass destruction and if you overthrow. him blah. And they convinced Americans. I mean, they really convinced Americans.

that Saddam Hussein was had or was. building nuclear weapons and he was. friends with Osama bin Laden and if we. didn't go overthrow him, he was going to. hand these nukes that he didn't have off. to these terrorists who he wasn't. friends with and that they were going to. nuke Kansas or something like that. >> Sometimes we fall for the same trick. But the thing is all people everybody. who people look to to get their news. like the entire Republican base they. were getting their news from Bill. O'Reilly and Sean Hannity who would just. and Mark Leven and these guys would just. repeat the government propaganda over.

and over and over again. They were. nothing other than in effect state. propagandists just repeating it. And. then liberals looked to the New York. Times and Judith Miller was repeating. the state propaganda and her source was. Chalabi, the same source that the. neocons had, who by the way turned out. to be like an Iranian spy essentially. But regardless, they were able to today. if Donald Trump was trying to sell us on. something like that, he doesn't have. Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity who will. just repeat his propaganda. He's got.

Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. Those. are the biggest right-wing commentators. in America. They're gonna destroy that. propaganda for, you know, like it's like. the media. It's not state media anymore. It's actually independent media. And so. their ability to like launch another. propaganda campaign like this is just. it's not what it used to be. >> And so I think that leads, you know, this leads to the potential of a much. better world. >> Yeah. I mean, even today when we're. looking at the Venezuela thing, we can. pull up clips of other other people's. thoughts and theories on it so we can.

get a bit bigger look at it. Yeah, that's right. Um, >> and they actually have to kind of like. face our ideas now. Like it's. interesting like even even if you watch. the I mean I get it a lot. They flip out. about me, but like if you watch the way. they flip out about Candace or the way. they flip out about Nick Fuentes or. Tucker Carlson or someone like that, it's like but they have to flip out. about him. You know, in in years prior, they would have just marginalized and. ignored these guys. And they tried for a. long time. >> They sure did. Well, they got Tucker. fired from Fox News, right? It doesn't. matter. He's bigger. He's bigger now. So.

what now? What are you gonna do? And. then Nick Fuentes, what are you gonna. do? He's banned off everything, you. know, except I mean he's on I guess. Twitter and Rumble, but So what are you. gonna do? >> And he's huge. >> He's bigger than ever. >> He may be bigger than ever. You had him. on your show. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> How was that? What is he like? Is he big. or is he small? >> He's not big. He's not a big guy. He's a. small. I mean, he's not like tiny, but. he's not. >> Somebody said he rides a bike. Is that. true or not? >> I did not see him on a bicycle. I can ne. neither confirm nor deny. I I believe he. uh took an Uber in the studio. >> Someone said he rode a bike to.

>> Oh, listen. I'll be honest, he told me. he took an Uber to the studio. I did not. see with my own eyes how he got there. He could have, but not an Uber. >> He could It was certainly an Uber White. Um, no, you know, honestly, um, my my. impressions of I like Nick and, um, my. >> Oh, he seems like a fascinating I mean, he's obviously fascinating. He's. fascinated. by him. >> Well, he's brilliant and he's hilarious. Um, which is already something that just. like I just like that. I I like funny. people, dude. He's definitely brave and.

you know we have we have some pretty. large areas of disagreement I think. Um, but I've always kind of believed like. I've always kind of believed like, okay, so then it's just maybe this is kind of. like a little naive or something, but my. attitude was always like, "All right, so. we got some areas of disagreement, so. like, hey, let's talk about them and. let's kind of like let's have more. conversations and more debates and more, you know what I mean?" And and just uh, you know, I think he gets a few things. wrong, but then again, he gets some. really major things right. And I think.

that this is part of the reason why. they're all so scared of him. You know, if you want to say that like Nick goes. down a road of like racialism and even. it's not exactly that he like. like it's not that he like is praising. Hitler and Stalin. um he's saying some. complimentary things about them or. something like that. But if if you want. to say that like going down this road of. like racialism and um um kind of. revisionism about some brutal dictators.

in history, if you want to say, "Hey, that's wrong and that's off limits or. something as like a cultural rule or a. cultural norm." Well, how the hell is. the guy who's defending a genocide going. to tell me that that's the case? You. know what I mean? It's like all you guys. you guys are gonna tell me like oh Nick. Nick Fuentes is morally reprehensible. says the people signing the bombs that. are going to drop on babies. Sorry. So. you've lost that. It it's just like to. me it's like that's over. You lose the. ability to gate keep this conversation.

and now people like us will decide who. the hell we want to talk to and I decide. Nick Fuentes is a very relevant. interesting person who I'd like to talk. to. >> Yeah. I don't think there's anything. wrong with talking to most people. That's what I think most time. Every now. and then there'll be somebody like, "I. don't think I would talk to them." Um, but also it's wild that people assume. you know everything about somebody when. you're going to have them on the. podcast. Are you going to talk to them? It's like, dude, sometimes I haven't. looked like I'll know the person. I'll. be intrigued by one or two things I. heard from them, but I'll have no idea.

sometimes if they were um, you know, if. there's been other stuff that people. widely disagree with or whatever. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. like the respons or. the responsibility then which I think is. ridiculous is that it's like you're. endorsing everything they've ever said. if you agree with them on one thing or. something like that. But I do think you. know when Nick was on uh Pierce Morgan. who by the way for the record I really. like Pierce Morgan too. I'm not like I. like Nick. I like Pierce. I like I love. Pierce. I think his show is actually. really great. >> It's great and he has on a lot of great. guests. >> It's a circus at times but I think it's. like a really important circus. But the.

thing that. >> dude that's a great statement. Some of. these things are circuses. It's but it's. a really important circus when you talk. about like podcasting or some of these. types of interviews. It's like well he. had he had like he's had a ton of. things. He had Wesley Clark debate Scott. Horton. He had um he had uh um Norman. Finkelestein uh Norman Finkelestein. debated Benny Morris. Like these like. huge very interesting debates with. really brilliant people, you know, like. and um but anyway, so when Nick was on. it was almost like there was the. conversation that was going on. Uh.

they're both speaking past each other. completely. It's almost like Pierce does. not understand the phenomenon that this. kid is. But to me, the more meta like. kind of analysis of it, like what was. going on there is that. what what I think what Nick represents. in a lot of ways is okay, there's been. now in the country for at least 30. years, maybe a little more than that, really exploded in the last 15 years.

There's been this attempt by every. single institutional force to police. what Americans are allowed to say by. shaming people as racist, sexist, anti-semitic, all these these is and. look, you know, because the funny thing. about someone like Nick is people will. make the point, they'll be like, "Well, look, you could criticize Israel without. criticizing the Jews." And you're like, "Yeah, hey, I do that every day." And. you know what? and I get called for it. by Mark Leven, a Nazi. So it doesn't m.

So what Nick in a way to me at least. represents is a big [ __ ] you to that. whole game. I reject that whole. paradigm. If you you're not going to. police me by calling me sexist, racist. or or anti-Semitic cuz I say I am all. those things. So now what? You know, so. now so if you come at Nick the way. Pierce did where you go, you play let me. play a clip of you. That's horrible what. you said right there. I think you're a. bigot. And he'll go, yeah, [ __ ] you. I. am. Whereas when I talk to Nick and I.

go, "All right, dude. Listen, I think. shutting conversation down with. accusation of bigotry is [ __ ] up, but. what do you actually believe here?" He. actually opens up and gives you a much. more nuanced take. And like, no. Is he a. few clicks to the right of me? Definitely. >> And he's he's a sensationalist, though, too. He'll. >> sure. And there's a lot of sarcasm and. all of that. if I could see him um being. a conductor or I could see him being a. um the guy at the circus who's like. dealing with all the animals, he would. be perfect at that. Um and I say that uh.

respectfully because Yeah, he's just. he's good at um doing it all himself, right? But you have to have those. moments that are that are bonkers out. there or that seem bonkers to people. >> Yeah, absolutely. I also just think like. in the you know it's like from be doing. standup comedy which you know I know you. know too it's like you get you you. develop a bit of an eye for talent and. it doesn't even mean like it's not a. question of whether like you agree or. disagree or whether they're your. favorite comic or not your favorite. comic like but you could you could love. really edgy really filthy comedy and.

you'd still go Nate Baretti is a beast. of a talent. You know what I mean? Like. you just recognize talent. He's very. good at what he does. I mean, and Nick. Nick's ability like it just as a. broadcaster, his talent is like. legendary. I mean, he's like he's second. to none. Maybe there are some tied with. him, but like like Tim Dylan's ability. to just rant into a camera. >> Nick Fuentes has that level of ability. And so there is a part of it too where.

you watch you watch all of these guys uh. um you know, freak out, but you're like, "Look, man, the kid's really good at. what he does. He represents a lot of. people. Um, he was deplatformed for. having views that actually a lot of. people have. And also there's just look. like there's nuance to a lot of this. [ __ ] I think that being racist. >> and where was he deplatformed from? From. YouTube. >> Yeah, YouTube. He was kicked off. Twitter. He was kicked off like. everything at one point. Um, I'm not. sure what he's what he's back on now. >> And I haven't I don't know a lot of the.

stuff that he's you know I don't know a. lot of the things that he said. I mean I. know I've heard him say the n-word. I've. heard him say um only said that. >> some other stuff. But some of the more. clips go hard, dude. I'll be honest with. you. And some of them I've seen black. people um do mashups and. >> there's always been something weird. There's always been a real weird dynamic. h about how um being offended. Being offended by words or jokes or is. such a white chick thing, but they. project that onto black people, but. actually black people because I've known.

a few of them are like the the least. offended people ever. like, you know, it's it's just so there's a weird. dynamic there, too. Also, though, and. I'll say, maybe this will be a real. controversial thing to say at the end, but I do think that. >> there's we've we've lived under a a. world order for a long time where being. a bigot is the worst thing in the world. It's like the worst thing you can be is. racist, you know, and part of that is. because that, you know, we live in the. world order that defeated the Nazis. And. so, the the biggest villain of all time. is viewed as the racist and the greatest.

liberator of all time are viewed as the. anti-racist. the biggest villain in in. the religion of modern America like the. devil is Adolf Hitler and Jesus is. Martin Luther King. That's kind of like. the the the way popular, you know, the. culture is constructed. >> I think that. there is actually a lot more nuance to. bigotry and that everybody has a bit of. bigotry in them. Um, and but I think. that America, it is true to some degree.

that Americans have been replaced by. immigration policy from their. government. America went from being a. 90% majority white Christian country to. now being it's like in the 50s. percentage and may even be a majority. minority country in the next couple. decades and then white people might. ultimately be a minority in this country. going forward. >> And the main media demonized white. This. was done this was done against the will. of the domestic population. No, there. was never a referendum on open borders. and massive racial change in America. because it would have failed. No, the.

country wouldn't have supported it. And. there is going to be a group of people, not just white people, but there are. going to be a group of people who wish. that America remain majority white. And. that doesn't mean you have to hate black. people or that doesn't mean you have to. hate Muslims or hate Latin American or. Latino people or whatever. It's like. there's nuance between there's a view. where you go, "Hey, I want America to. remain majority white because that's. kind of what America's always been and I. want it to continue being what America's. always been. That doesn't mean I want to.

reinstitute slavery or have a genocide. or something like that.". >> And I'm And if you're a white person, you're like, "Well, what the [ __ ] I. don't exist. I don't. >> Why am I supposed to root for my own. destruction?". >> Yeah. I don't have a place to exist at. [ __ ] that, dude. >> Well, it would be crazy. >> I'm so sick of like there's just so It's. like. >> Yeah. It's just so sick of white people. are always the bad people. I'm sick of. your movies of white people always bad. people. And that's one of the things. that's craziest about um the genocide. stuff. It's like, well, now you have a. group of people, you have Israel and. their government that has set the bar.

for who who the new bad people are. Dude, they act like it's anything but. Like it's anything. Dude, I was. listening Mark Levin gave a speech about. the rise of anti-Israel sentiment and. anti-semitism and he discusses doesn't. mention the genocide. >> like as if that's not a part of it. It's. like everything. It's like it's like you. mentioned everything except the part of. it. There's this one tiny detail you're. missing which is that you committed a. genocide in. >> talking my whole life that if somebody. is doing like something like that that. Hitler and the Nazis did that it's. wrong. Right. All these movies all the.

books some of that many of that I've. paid to see and paid to read and wanted. to absorb. >> You see Obama's speech writer. She's. this Jewish chick Obama's speech writer. But she goes, "The Holocaust training. really backfired because now people are. conditioned to see like when a big. powerful state is just killing helpless. captive people that they view that as. the same as like the Nazis do." That's. so she's actually going like, "Oh, the. real problem with all this Holocaust. education is that now people are pissed.

off when we try to do it." Like Jesus. Christ, lady, >> you said that out loud into a. microphone. >> Yeah. Here it is right here. >> Yep. And so while in the 1990s, you. know, a young person probably wasn't. going to find Al Jazzer or someone like. Nick Fuentes, today those media outlets. find them. They find them on their. phones. It's also this increasingly. post-literate media. Less and less text, more and more videos. So you have Tik. Tok just smashing our young people's. brains all day long with video of.

carnage in Gaza. And this is why so many. of us can't have a sane conversation. with younger Jews because anything that. we try to say to them, they are hearing. it through this wall of carnage. So I. want to give data and information and. facts and arguments and they are just. seeing in their minds carnage and I. sound obscene and you know I think. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. We see. the dead babies and that believe it or. not these dead babies are having an. effect on people. Theo people are. feeling feelings. Who would ever have.

thought when we witness children being. tortured to death by the tens of. thousands, we think about that and your. [ __ ] propaganda doesn't work as. well. This this next part is actually. the craziest part. >> I don't want to pause it, Miss Herwitz, and uh and hear about the statistics. at the moment, >> which by the way, it's not even like she. has a statistical argument. >> I know, but it's they try to build a. graph. more like it's more like I see uh. I've seen thousands of images of dead. kids and then you're calling me a bigot.

>> And it wasn't a choice I made with my. brain. It was a choice I made with my. heart, you idiot. It's not like I you. can't rationalize me into thinking that. genocide is okay. You cannot do it. >> I don't care how many graphs or people. you interview or some You cannot do it. It's not a It's not in here. It's in. here. That's how I know it's wrong. Yeah. >> Let's go. Let's play a little more. the. very smart I think bet that we made on. Holocaust education to serve as. anti-semitism education in this new. media environment. I think that is.

beginning to break down a little bit. because you know Holocaust education is. absolutely essential but I think it may. be confusing some of our young people. about anti-semitism because they learn. about big strong Nazis hurting weak. emaciated Jews and they think oh. anti-semitism is like anti-black racism. right powerful white people against. powerless black people. So when on. TikTok all day long they see powerful. Israelis hurting weak skinny. Palestinians, it's not surprising that. they think, "Oh, I know the lesson of. the Holocaust is you fight Israel, you.

fight the big powerful people hurting. the weak people.". >> Well, yeah. And a captive people, a people who can't. leave, don't have the option to go. anywhere. >> Imagine can't even leave. >> Yeah. Like that's a big part of it. But. it is. >> it's like Saul. It's like a huge game of. [ __ ] Saw. But it is amazing just to. me that she said that out loud and. didn't think to herself, oh huh, that's. the scary part. >> Like, man, oh, I if I just looked at. this from the other perspective, yeah, what I'm saying is that like, oh, we're.

actually against Holocausting powerless. people. >> It feels sociopathic almost. You'll be. like, oh yeah, you know, I don't know. I. don't know, man. >> Yeah, it sure does. Sociopathic is a. good way to put it. >> Yeah. I mean, I think it's like, yeah, >> she's talking about the topic of all of. this [ __ ] whether it's Charlie Kirk's. letter to Netanyahu or that conversation. or the guy at CBS News or like any of. it. The topic of all of them is we're. losing. How do we get back to winning? So, like, at least they're acknowledging. that like, [ __ ] this just isn't working.

anymore, man. And and I do think there's. something beautiful to it, man. I think. there's something beautiful where like. even just you you just making the point. that you just made where you're like, look, this isn't something in my head. This something in my heart. I just saw a. child being tortured to death. I'm not. okay with this. And when I say tortured. to death, I just mean like torture to. death. A building crumbling on them as. their bones crush and they cry out and. no one comes to save them is pretty bad. And then, you know, Ben Shapiro could. come up with all the fancy arguments in. the world, but the audience is looking. at that and going, I'm not with you on. that. >> But just how are you still creating and. I I don't understand how somebody could.

still be creating an argument. I think. that's where the weird disparity comes. in. Like I can't even, you know, I mean, yes, I make a lot of poor choices in my. life and I'm I've done a lot of things. that are not great, but but yeah, I. don't understand how you could just. think that that's okay, you know. >> You got zero supported genocides on your. track record, though, so that's good. >> Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. Thanks so much, Dave, for stopping by, dude. >> Dude, absolutely. Anytime, man. >> I appreciate it, man. So much. Great to. start the year off with you. Yeah, I'm. hopeful that 2026 will bring in good.

things. Um, I will say this, a lot of my. life I've thought, man, our our my time. on Earth has been a little, it's been. exciting and fun, but it's been a little. boring as a society. Like, as a time. period in America, it's been like just. kind of a comfortable time. And, man, it's just in a couple years that's. changed a lot. >> It's gotten it's gotten real. interesting. But yeah, I'm excited. I. like being alive during these times. I'm. excited to see where everything goes. And I kind of like I love like the. relationship we get to have like with.

our audience. Like we kind of all go. through this together and we're kind of. all like, "Yo, did you see that? That. was crazy.". >> Oh, it's crazy. I enjoy it. >> Yeah. I mean, whenever Charlie Kirk got. shot, I was texting people and like. other podcasts and stuff like, "Stay. alive, dude." You know, or like if I. have a tough question, I can call you. and ask you about it. You know, like. [ __ ] bothering this father out there. in [ __ ] Jersey. >> You're never bothering me, dude. I love. talking to you. >> Um, but yeah, man. Thanks so much. I'm. curious to see what uh Candace has for. dinner for us. >> Oo, I can't wait. >> Yeah. All right. Thanks so much, Dave. >> Oh, you're the man, dude.

>> All right. Peace, buddy. >> Now I'm just floating on the breeze and. I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I. must be corner stone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll. share this piece of mind I found. I can. feel it in my bones, but it's going to take.