Chris Robinson | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #645

Florida, baby. I'll be in Jacksonville. this week. We've got shows Friday and. Saturday. That's March 13th and 14th. One on Friday and two on Saturday. evening. A few tickets are still. available at theovon.com/tour. Um practicing and preparing uh for my. Netflix special. So, grateful to be down. there in the great state of Florida. Today's guest is a musician. He's a. founder of the legendary rock band The. Black Crowes. He has a new album called.

A Pound of Feathers that comes out March. 13th. Uh I cannot even believe today's guest. is Mr. Chris Robinson. And I like I don't mind being decrepit a.

little bit. You know what I mean? Like. I've I've never. >> It's kind of artsy. It's a little bit. Tim Burton-esque. >> Well, I'm kind of proud that I've that. I'm that I've survived 59 winters. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, I can. imagine with your with your life, I bet. Did you feel like when you were young. like I'm never going to live long and. then as you got as you've grown, you're. like. [ __ ] I guess I'm I don't I don't You. know what? I If it's so funny because. I'm not afraid of the theme at all and.

of course. But I never really I mean, no. I didn't. really I've never really thought about. it. I adhere to Do you know the French. artist Jean Cocteau? Do you know he was? >> Uh-uh. He's very Have you ever seen the. original movie Beauty and the Beast? Yeah. The black and white one with the. hands. He directed that film. He was a. French artist, intellectual. >> Jean Cocteau. >> Yeah, very important figure in the 20th. century and and and art. And he I.

subscribe to something that he said. And. he said, "Living is a horizontal fall.". Just [laughter] like, dude, you know, when I read that about 35, 36 years ago, I was like, "That's it. I mean, that. What else do you need to know?" I mean, it was like perfect philosophic. Yeah, that's a line. Sometimes I get so. jealous when you hear somebody that said. something or that wrote something, you. know. Not jealous, but also I guess I. used to get more jealous. Now I think I. just get grateful that I got to hear it.

or read it. >> Of course. Of course. That's what it's. all about. I mean, there's. there's a million things to inspire, you. know. And I think I think it's really. sad if you get to a point and it could. be anything. It could just whatever I. have a lot of varied interests, you know. what I mean? So, I'm constantly like. interested in stuff and the world is. just information, you know what I mean? Um. because I'm dyslexic as well, I just.

process it in a different way, but it's. it's that's why I've. have been in a [ __ ] rock band my. whole life. That's what. It'll lead you there, you're saying? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. If your brain is. freaking doing donuts or whatever or. >> Every Every artist I know, yeah. It's. like that's why we found our way to this. and. the success part or whatever, that kind. of aspect of it is just whatever. You. know what I mean? That's what either. happens or doesn't happen. Yeah, I read. somewhere that you um like you have like.

a I don't know if it's a fascination, but like about the first line of a song. or a um like even whenever you mentioned. that thing about Mr. Cocteau, it made me. think about that. Like how the first. line is so important. Yeah, it's well. for it's funny that you were I did say. that. I've said that because. you know, lyrics are the. the writing songs was the first thing I. thought I could do. Do you know what I mean? So, I was like. I was that's what I was into. >> Yeah. That was my interest. Poetry and.

write you know, that was something that. I felt I had. maybe I could get into this. >> Was it a music first like you were just. singing poetry and they're just poetry. first, you know what I mean? Because the. music part. came a little later when. I was kind of. like [ __ ] you know, like we're going to. see like hardcore bands in Atlanta in. the early 80s at like punk rock matinee. shows and stuff. Cuz that's the [ __ ] we could go see. because I wasn't really interested in. like MTV and kind of the same stuff. We.

were just different. My brother, too. Um. that kind of led to the whole world of. oh, there's like all this other [ __ ]. going on, but it's not on TV or it's not. the on the radio. You have to really dig. and find it and then you see some other. kid in like a [ __ ] Circle Jerks. t-shirt or something and you're like. let's go talk to that guy. >> going on there? Yeah. Which the world is. still the same way. I think. You meet the people you're.

supposed to meet. It has nothing to do. with. technology. If you're out in the world. traveling around. Yeah, that's a good. point actually. I think you come across. >> [ __ ] people because you guys are on. people are on a a certain wavelength, you know? >> a real human wavelength that's still. happening in the universe even though so. many of us are sidelined. on our devices though. It's almost like. you're on the sidelines when you're on. your device. >> if it's by design, too. You know what I. mean? I mean, I don't really wander into. those realms so much. I'm too busy with.

Mr. Cocktail. >> [laughter]. >> Just kidding. Did you have like Yeah, are there like once once I read that you. once I read that you said that I was. like oh, yeah, I was trying to think of. um. >> first line thing. Well, that dictates. the But. Yeah, we're like okay, if I if that. first thing to me is something like I. could in a stupid visualization open up. a page and see it. And then if that would be something that. if I could capture something in.

imagination or feeling or where those. two things come together in the first. few words of the song. >> Yeah. That's you know, and I find my I. like that with songs, too. Yeah. You. know what I mean? I'm not going to wait. till the third verse for some good. words. >> Yeah, to tickle you a little. Yeah. Go. give it to me. Yeah, you want to tickle. them up front. Like the what's the. Johnny that Johnny I hurt myself today. Yeah, yeah. The Trent Reznor song. Yes. Oh, my friend was just at the they just. went to see Nine Inch Nails last night.

actually. He was sending me videos. They. were here last night? >> were in New Orleans, but he just. >> Oh, New Orleans. Oh, that's right. That's right. Wow, I saw that my we my wife and I went. to see them in Brooklyn over the summer. It was like a crazy week of like. [ __ ] gigs because we got there and. Korn and System of a Down were playing. So, we went to that and I've never seen. [ __ ] like that and that was [ __ ]. amazing. With Brian Welch was he. playing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But that was. the gig where a guy was like jerking off. in the stands like Oh, in Brooklyn?

At No, this is in at the stadium. What's. it called? MetLife Stadium. And then it. was all over the internet there's a guy. like jerking off. And then again there. he is. Oh, that's a trap beat. Bro, that's dude playing a 808, huh? He's really upset at that point of the. But a guy runs over and like smacks him. I was at that gig, but I was on the. floor, so I had nothing to do. Oh, you. were down there in the recipient's end. >> Maybe he was looking at me right there. You never know. Oh, that dude was just.

serving a little bit of body butter. >> [snorts and laughter]. >> That dude was just making his own. vending machine, dude. I mean look, this. guy's had enough of you, man. Bro, to run up and hit a guy who's. jerking off is insane, though. >> Unless maybe he's a That's what he. wanted. He couldn't really get it. together unless he got punched in the. back of the skull. Good [laughter]. point. Maybe that was his his plan all. along. Wow, this guy's really onto. something. Wow, I'm so glad I can get off easier. than that. >> at that show. I was at Nine Inch Nails, and then we went to Oasis. Oh, amazing,

huh? Yeah, it was a great week, but I. tell you Nine Inch Nails was. unbelievably good show. I mean, it was. so theatrical, so visual. It was It was. there was also like a real human part, too. I mean, I was just so impressed. It. was. >> heard the effects on this tour are. supposed to be pretty amazing. Did it. just kick off? No, this is the second. half of it, right? >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they did half of it. last year. Yeah, I haven't got to talk. to my friend. He sent me like four. videos last night, though, so it was. pretty cool. Just have like moments from.

our childhood, you know, that you just. like And for like 30 seconds each time I. was like back in these moments where. you're like feeling something, you know? Yeah, well, I've That's. I see some concerts now are less. phone-driven than they used to be. Like people want to be there more. I. think so. >> I think you're right. And I think it's. funny when you see like when it's. juxtaposed with like the If you see some. footage from like concerts before. phones, then everyone is.

focused on the same [ __ ] thing. And. it's really you know, about. [clears throat]. some other sort of interaction. Yeah, and you'd have a You'd almost have a. like a It was like you were riding a. wave during a concert. Like you'd Of. course. Find somebody that had a beer. emotional and like. >> then you connect with a girl, but she. disappears, and then you're like, "Oh, wait, I'm here with my wife." And then. that's there. You're like. >> Concerts were every I mean, they were It. was a different thing before I mean, they can still have magical moments. You. know, people can still be involved. >> Yeah. But your friend would go off to get like.

And then somebody would go off to get. beverages, and you would never see like. that person. >> They were gone. >> Never saw them since. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, dude dude, there was just something. about experiences like that. There was. something about like. like the I always feel like the best. music was during my childhood, but I. don't know if that stunts my. appreciation for music as an adult. Does. that make any sense? >> I don't think it's about it being the. best music. I think my wife and I were. talking about this. Cuz she's like an anthropologist when.

like when she sees like some teenagers. like sitting on the sidewalk smoking. cigarettes, she's like, "We need to. study them. Look at them. This has been. going on forever, you know?" But I see. it's like let's you know, I'll do the. drawings. But I think what it is and we talk about. it is when you're a teenager or you're. an adolescent, you're so alive. in a different way for the first time. from the childhood alive to like this. oh, this now my.

the way the world feels to me is going. to be something different. And when that. music comes, it's like [ __ ] imprinted. on like this fresh. you know what I mean? There's no no one. is swollen at that age. Before that, you're kind of pulp and. this is like that that's like the first. time you're a piece of paper. >> it makes sense, you know what I mean? Cuz I'm not I feel that I mean, I'm. lucky that I'm not nostalgic. I don't. really care about nostalgia. >> don't get into that. It doesn't make me.

things are the way they are when they're. happening and yes, there could be an. aspect of something like oh, I remember. when I first heard that record, but I. don't listen to like a record like I. don't know, it could be anything. Um. even if it was from the '80s, I don't. know, something like Let's Active. It. was a band from North Carolina, Mitch. Easter. Let's Active? >> Yeah, loved Let's Active. >> Bring them up. I want to see them. Yeah, but if I hear that, I'm like I'm not. back in my my mom and dad's house. I'm. like, oh, listen how cool that guitar.

sound, you know? It music is always made. it alive. The room, wherever I am. Does it Yeah, it's funny cuz a lot of. music I think I immediately go back to. place I'm like a nostalgia junkie. I'm. like this I'm like a romanticist like. let's go back in time kind of guy and I. think I miss out on probably a lot of. like life and present moment sometimes. like that but. I don't know if I'm up that upset about. it. Maybe that's just who I am on this. trip, you know. >> I mean I I don't think that's. necessarily. Yeah, I mean I I mean that's also just.

dreaming and that's I mean. >> is and I love I just love like I think I. just loved some of those years so far. >> If I could like. if I could dress like a you know, 17th. century French aristocrat, I would, you. know, I'd walk around with the wig and. the like pants and I would like, you. know. Oh, yeah, if they had chain mail. >> about it. I mean I would feel great. about it. That's a little yeah. But if. they had chain mail like if you showed. up to like say there was going to be. people like there might be beef at this. thing. Yeah, I mean I think there was.

kind of always beef at those things. >> that's a good point, [laughter] dude. Yeah, so so somebody that showed up in. chain mail was just like a dude like who. showed up with like. >> most powerful people are the most. unhinged, obviously. They're like, "Run. him through. Run him through.". I think we're there now, dude. >> I don't think it's ever been any. different. Yeah. I mean I I I I I also. think the resistance is always there. I also You know what I mean? I also. think the moral compass will always show. the way uh.

to what is right and what is wrong. And. that doesn't have anything to do That's. just a fundamental we know what's right. and wrong. Yeah. You know what I mean? And You believe that, yeah. I do. [clears throat] because I've seen it. happen. I mean, by the way, sometimes it. doesn't come without a. full on. struggle. >> Yeah. Um Cuz I've been worrying about. that a lot recently. I'm like you have. to. like. like we got to believe that.

morality wins, you know, somehow. Um. Yeah, no, I but but. again, these things are in a constant. sort of struggle that keep going and. going. I mean. forever. I mean, I know we like to think. that. >> it's all now, yeah. It's all our life. >> that life was, you know, there was. Victorian people and then Crocs and. airports, you know, what I mean? But. there's some other [ __ ] that happened in. between your comfort and you know, robber barons or whatever. Um.

But there is a there is a constant line. in it, you know, what I mean? And so I. don't know. What did they say What's that Clint. Eastwood movie where the. Grit? No, it's one of but it's like a. mid-70s one. But the guy who's like his plays like. the Native American guy, he when they're. talking about the troubles, he goes, "We. must endeavor. to persevere." And ever since I was a.

kid, I was like, "Yeah." Oh, it's The. Outlaw Josey Wales. That's the one. Oh, I've heard of that. I've never seen. it. >> Oh, it's great. It's great, yeah. I'm. going to check that out, man. The Outlaw. Josey Wal- Josey Wales. >> Josey Wales. >> Yeah, and they just remade it, I think, actually. >> No, don't do it. >> I know. Rarely have they Rarely have they done. it well. It's weird. Why? Leave it. alone. Just come up with something else. >> I think it's just to get people that saw. it once with nostalgia to go get them to. Hey, come pay for it one more time. And. just you you know it's not going to be. that good, but there's a part of you.

that's going to connect to it. >> really love musicals, but I love West. Side Story. Yep. I like musicals. I. always did, >> [laughter]. >> you know? Yeah. And. >> [clears throat]. >> as a lyricist, one of the greatest. lyrics of all time is in the Officer. Krupke song. When the kid goes, "I'm. depraved on account of I'm deprived.". And I [laughter] was I was like, "That's. like [ __ ] Bob Dylan, you know? I'm. depraved I'm account of I'm deprived. I mean, it is one of the great lyrics of. all time, but then Steven Spielberg. remakes. West Side Story.

I don't get it. I what I mean, he didn't. call me. He didn't ask my what. >> Your opinion, but sure. >> mean, I'm sure, you know, that Steve I. mean, he's going to do what he wants to. do. Yeah, man. Yeah, I wonder if I had made. something wonderful, would I try and remake it later on? Like, I wonder what my desire would be. in that. I mean, that I I don't Yeah, I wouldn't. I don't understand that. Is there times like that in your career. where you've written like music that you.

really thought was great or that had. commercial successes or something, and. then later have you ever like been like. I need to try and get myself back into. that space to write music like that. again as instead of trying to be like. I'm writing music from from uh where I'm. at? >> No. >> Does that make sense? Yeah, I hear you, but I'm not I've I've always found it to. be. I don't know. I've always found it to be. the most. sort of fulfilling just to be in the.

moment, you know? Which is difficult, too, because. you know, it's hard, you know, it's hard. to I I've. it's hard to remain in the dream place. sometimes. It's not hard for me, it's. hard for everyone else. Because you have. to deal, you know, I'm a husband, I have. kids, you know, I Pets. I have pets. So. demanding, there's so much pressure from. the. pets. Okay. Uh. But, the reality is I can't fully remove.

myself from the dream place or the muse. or whatever you want to call it, because. I I do understand that it's a very. jealous entity, and it will leave you. If you're not. it has to have its proper place. >> What does you're saying? The muse, you. know what I mean? That creative spark. It's like Quest for Fire. Do you know. that movie? Ever seen Quest for Fire? Dude, we have to have a movie night. I. mean, you're missing a lot of Quest for.

Fire. >> Woah. >> The best best. >> like I'm related to one of those people. >> [laughter]. >> We all are. We all are. There we go. I've seen I think the first movie I ever. saw was either like Jason Voorhees, like. the killer guy at the lake. And then um. there was the movie. uh. It was uh the guy where the guy the. older guy he has a Coke bottle and he. throws it in Africa or whatever. The. Gods Must Be Crazy? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay, that's a pretty. Yeah. And Cheech & Chong, that was an.

early one, too, that could that was like. still kind of popping. Oh, look at this. guy. My first movie I remember watching. my parents let me stay up and watch Lord. of the Flies. >> [ __ ] yeah. Nothing could be wrong with that. >> kind of fit, you know. >> [laughter]. >> It's like, "Cool. He'll like this." And I did. I I [ __ ]. did. That's crazy, bro. Yeah, that's great, dude. Just like early influence and. stuff. I love that kind of stuff. >> first movie I remember we I always saw.

Patton with George C. Scott in a. drive-in movie theater in my parents'. car. >> No, with them? Do you know that film? You know, cuz it has that music da da da. da da da da da da I've seen this. I've. never seen the film. It's good, too? Oh. my god, it's an epic like psycho General. Patton. Dude, yeah, I saw oh, crazy. Psycho George C. Scott doing it. I mean, he's really I got to tap in then. Yeah, I'm just kind of out of touch with some. films. I did just I started reading All. Quiet on the Western Front last night, though. >> Amazing. And the original Both of the.

films the original one is unbelievably. good. If you've ever You should watch. it. That's the one that they remade that was. like on Netflix or something that was. great. But that's the original one. >> is good? The remake was fantastic. Watch the original one first though. Okay. >> Don't sell yourself short. Go to the go. to the source. Yeah. But now here's the situation. >> It's incredible. >> Here's a situation where they made.

another one and it was good. But I guess. it's not like a part two though. No, and. you're right. That is it. That is it. They did a good job. I loved it. I loved. the the modern one. But the original one. is to me holds like the. the real magic of the thing. Okay. I I did see the jury What's that movie. the jury? It's like 12 men It's like um. 12 Angry Men? >> Yes, dude. The big one? Louis C.K. told. me to watch that and he was right, dude. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. So I appreciate. it. I appreciate the recommendations. I.

don't get a ton Like I'm lucky because. I'm old enough that when and you know, I. grew up in Atlanta. we had three channels and then we had. the channel 36 or whatever and TBS and. they played [ __ ] movies. >> Yeah. Cuz later it splinters off to. Turner Classic Movies or whatever. But when when. there wasn't that much There was There's. not that much content, you know? So like. >> wasn't much at all. Beastmaster remember. when that came on. >> [laughter]. >> on TBS, dude? >> Yeah. Every night for like.

10 years. >> That's right. The ferret. >> Remember this, dude? That was crazy. Some white guy from WWF. tickling a couple of pets, dude. I was. like, "What is going on here?". >> Yeah, really. All those fantasy movies. are really strange. >> Dude, I loved times like that. We would. ride our bikes to go get the videos at. the video store and they had like those. wild west doors on like the titty area. You know those? >> it. I'm a product of like the. early '80s, you know, VHS boom. And my.

parents had moved They They made the. regretful decision to move to the. suburbs. Uh Uh. That's the worst blow in life, you know. what I mean? >> In Atlanta, if you move from the city to. the suburbs Well, we had moved to. Charlotte, and then when we moved back, yeah, we were in town, and then we moved. to the sub. But, my parents also, this. is at the ex- the ripe time of them. really being too disinterested in my in. my life to like edit what I was doing.

So, it was the great time at these. stores of like the midnight movies and. European movies, you know what I mean? And I had the [ __ ] pick of whatever. weird. [ __ ] we wanted to watch, like I remember. my dad seeing us watching uh Eraserhead. back then, and he was just like, "Wha-. Why are you doing this. to yourself? What is wrong with you?". I'm like, "Dad, it's. I mean, we would watch We would watch. David Lynch's The Elephant Man, like Oh,

yes, that I remember. >> You know what I mean? Like, it's not a. It's It's not a lark. >> [laughter]. >> This isn't a one-time offer. >> Like this, we would like, "Play it. again." You know what I mean? Like, "What the fuck?". >> Were you like an angry child? Like, where do you cuz like music usually. comes from like some feeling of youth, I. feel like. Like a lot of that blast-off. energy does. Like real music, like real. like, you know, like whether you're going to. become a musician or like a. anarchist or a peeping tom, that [ __ ]. comes out of your childhood, you know? >> yeah, yeah. Do you feel like that at.

>> Crime and art. Yes. Yes. [ __ ] yeah. Vandalism and art. Uh. Yeah, yeah, there was. the bad kid part of it, and I think. that's always been associated with. rock and roll, at least in our case, cuz. we just gravitated That That was our. [ __ ] Like, we were into music. So, now. we're in a band, and. let's go How do we get into grown-up.

club to play, you know? We were kids, you know? How do we get in there? It's. like, well, get write some songs, you. know, get better at get up there, do. something and. but it was yeah, always the bad. Was your brother the same? I know cuz. you and your brother. >> He's not a bad kid. I mean, he kind of is bad and he was. down for vandalism and [ __ ] too, but. he's not as bad. >> for vandalism. That has to be going his. headstone there if he ever passes away. >> Down for vandalism and [ __ ]. Occasionally. Sorry to admit it. Yeah,

it gets like more. You're going to need another stone. >> Yeah, yeah. Oh, dude, that'd be great. Two stones? Cuz you just cuz yeah, there's a little. more to tell about him. Yeah. Um. People don't get buried anymore, though. Yeah, did you see that stat that like. they're like, where are all the bodies. going? Yeah. Well, I mean, they're. throwing them in Lake Lanier or. something. I don't. >> [laughter]. >> know what. Yeah. Where all the ashes go? Where? I. want you to take me on the top of Stone.

Mountain. And I want you to throw my. ashes all over those Confederate [ __ ]. up there, all right? >> Dude, one of my friends works at TSA. He. said that I was like, what's some of the. things that have been left in the thing? He. He said four times they've had people. that left somebody's ashes and never. came back to get them. Where's Uncle. Larry? Oh, I've. He's [laughter] at a layover. >> Yeah, totally. What I I ask you to go. pick up your Uncle Race your your racist. Uncle Seth's. ashes, what do you do? They're like, [ __ ] left them on the plane. [ __ ]. dude. in Salt Lake City.

>> Yeah. God. But that's wild, bro, that it ends up. like that. Um. like I came online probably like as a. human in maybe just like my brother. listening to stuff like Dio, um GNR, um Black Crowes one of the early albums. that he had, you know, watching him like. move his body. Our family could never. dance well and he would kind of like and. we shared a room, you know. And. sometimes he would set his weights down. and [ __ ] put it on and make me watch. him kind of which was the first time he.

and I ever like kind of engage. >> Listen man, I'm going to put my weights. down and I'm going to bug you a little. bit. You cool with that? >> [laughter]. >> That's never happened to me. It was kind. of crazy but it was like. >> what what this is more of my style. I'm. going to take down this badminton set. Then we're going to have. some canopies and then you're going to. all watch me dance. Yeah yeah okay. >> [laughter]. >> So yeah a little different. >> yeah. Little different. >> take I didn't lift weights. Yeah he just. like yeah but that was like when I first. kind of came along with music and like. watching it through my brother and and.

like. >> that was a way a lot of people got. you know I didn't I wouldn't have known. about like. my dad we my dad had like. Johnny Guitar Watson records and Jimmy. Reed records and Bob Dylan records and a. lot of. Mose Allison and all sorts of eclectic. stuff but more kind of stuff. But my. neighbor up the street his older brother. he had like all the Aerosmith records. and [ __ ] so we would like and his mom. was a dance teacher so she had a stereo.

with this big loud speaker on it and we. would get down there and [ __ ] that's. where I was like oh I like Aerosmith you. know. Dude yeah. >> ACDC cuz that's the time you're around. the neighborhood pool you know. So everyone at the pool would be like. Back in Black when that [ __ ] came out it. was on the radio every five minutes you. know what I mean and you were like damn. Dude remember when the radio was like. this omen and if it served you your song. it was just it felt like a volcano had. gone off just for you dude. >> It was exciting. Oh. And we all had it.

in common that was one thing too. That. was one thing that I liked about And you. think all the records were good but it. was really just a promo guy getting like. hookers and like steaks and lobsters to. the radio program director and be like. [ __ ] play this record and you'll get. a BJ out of this you know what I mean. like all right. I [ __ ] I this record. Oh dude. >> These guys are like Bachman Turner. Overdrive, but even better. You know, like that. >> [laughter]. >> And they have such a mix of what.

>> If you like. If you like BTO, you're going to [ __ ]. love these guys. Whoa. Yeah, [laughter] dude. Bro, there's so. many of those radio stations. I was just. a tour manager one time for a guy for a. musician and we would go to. This guy Josh Kelley actually, he's out. of Georgia as well. He's from Augusta, Georgia. His brother Charles Kelley. played with Lady Antebellum. And but we. would I was his tour manager, so we. would just go all around to these radio. stations and I'd have to get them like. donuts and stuff in the morning and. coffee. But you're right, they'd be.

like, "At 11:00 today, we're having. lobsters." Like it's like listen listen. for lobster. And you'd have like just. some muppets show up. >> Snow tires. You know what? When the. Black Crowes came out, I bought a lot of. snow tires. I didn't know I was buying. them till later in life when they show. what you paid for because you're the. only [ __ ] band selling like 6 million. records. They're like, "Who's got a new. set of snow tires at WW whatever in. Bangor, Maine? You know what I mean?". Like, "Oh, but they [ __ ] played She. Talks to Angels 150 times last week.".

You know what I mean? Dude, that was That Yeah, that's when it. was more like a music mafia kind of. thing. >> me wrong. A lot of good A good song is a. good song. And And there's a reason that. those You know what I mean? That those. bands are those bands. You ever had. come out of the 7-Eleven or something. and somebody had. cracked your windshield with a. cane or like a One time a guy broke our. windshield with a. little baby cradle.

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some of that memory road of those times, you know? Um was your bro- were you like. Cuz it's got to feel like it'd be hard. to do something with your brother, dude. But also kind of special you can if you. really. >> I mean, it took us it took us a long. time to get to the how special it is for. us. >> Who's a who's a better brother, do you. think? Um well, obviously me. I. would. I would It doesn't even matter who's. right or wrong. It's me. Of course.

What I mean, that what a ridiculous. question. I mean, I'm already here to. tell. >> And that's your Christmas card, Rich. >> I'm older. [laughter] I'm older. I'm. Sagittarian. I'm the lead singer. It's. me. Yeah. I don't know. I think I think. >> the things you really admire about him. Like my brother, I think he's way better. than me. >> Yeah. I don't really size it up like. that, but the things I admire about him. uh. are the same things that like ultimately. I like you know, he's a he's a. has an amazing heart inside of him.

And [snorts]. he's a really genuinely sweet person. He's very You know what I mean? Um. The other things I love about him, he's. and it again, you know what I mean? When. things are going when you're kids and. all of a sudden you're in a local band. and then 6 months later you're selling. millions of records and everything's. different. Everything has changed. The. pressure's on now, you know, blah blah. blah.

I always knew my brother was talented. I. chose to, you know, we've we were. writing these songs together. We've. always been the. Rich and I's composition are the is the. engine for whatever the Black Crowes. are. It's been that way since the we. before it was anything. But now I can especially cuz you know, we made this last record and Rich plays. all the bass and all the guitars and I'm. like, "Dude, I [ __ ] sat in studio. with him." Since the first time we were. in studio is 1987 or something. I've. seen him do.

amazing things, you know, like beautiful. music, inspired, dynamic things. But now I see like, "Oh, wow, I really. see it more than ever." because I I've. my perspective of what he is isn't. tainted by any of my [ __ ] Whether. that's my anger, resentment, ego [ __ ]. whatever. >> Oh, yeah. Ego is so dangerous. >> And I could see it really now.

so much clearer that it's like. uh. And by the way, when I say that, we live in a world throw a for you're. Nashville, throw a rock, hit a great. guitar player. You know what I mean? There's so many talented people, so many. talented musicians. And. and that's just the way it is, you know? But I really see my brother, I see his. uniqueness and I see how special he.

really is in his. in in that world of guitarists. And I've. got to play with some of the best music. You know what I mean? >> Yeah, no, that's cool. That's cool to. hear. >> So lucky, you know? >> That's a nice That's a nice thought. That's a nice compliment, too, I think. Um If you ask Rich about me, he'd say, "Yeah, he's he's all right." You know? >> [laughter]. >> He did one of these. He's pretty good. Did um how how tough was it during some. times? Like was there ever a point where. you guys were like, "Not only are we not. going to keep playing." I mean, I know. you guys have a story throughout the.

years that's been like, you know, I'm. sure like with any brothers or with any. bands where it's like things go apart, things come back together. But was there. ever a part where you like, "Shit, we. might not even be brothers after this, you know?". Uh yeah, I mean. like 2013 was like the last Black Crowes. thing before we. And yeah, um. I mean, we went a long time without 7. years without speaking. >> No way. Um And would you have certain.

feelings sometimes like you wanted to. talk to him or did sometimes that stuff. get clouded by like resentment and. stuff? Cuz I I've had moments like that. with family members. >> it was also kind of important to take. the [ __ ] kettle off the flame a. little bit cuz sometimes those things. and your work and your relationship, you. know, and these. all of it was just to me like a kettle. on the. stove just no one's going to No one's. going to flip the thing so it stops like. Um but I think he needed that, too. So,

it wasn't. I mean, we I was I was yeah, whatever. I. was ugly and mean. I lashed out when I. shouldn't have. I should have reached. out. >> Mhm. You know what I mean? Yeah, dude. I've held resentments that were only. like. and I was the only one thinking about. them. Some weren't even real. That's the. craziest [ __ ]. >> That's you know That's the craziest. >> people give a [ __ ] and they don't, you. know what I mean, about whatever you're. doing sometimes. Oh. I mean, I've been I've been lucky, too,

to just have whatever, you know, um. To keep it moving? Yeah, yeah. It sounds. like that. >> And I don't I really don't like to It's. exha- you know, I've tried to for better. for worse not to be a liar in my life. because the idea of telling someone a. lie and then having to remember what the. [ __ ] you said that wasn't the real thing. that happened or however it happened to. you or you know, everyone's truth is. their own thing or whatever. Yeah. to. know. >> know what I mean? They would be the same.

thing. Anything kind of. fake, or whatever. I'd rather. I'm cool, you know? I not everybody has. to. think I'm great, you know? >> [laughter]. >> Like I but maybe also I don't have to. act a certain way to pretend that that's. something that is. >> Yeah. Well, it's just not. normal. It's just not You know what I. mean? Oh yeah, well a lot I was just. saying this as you were saying it, dude. I was like you cut your head kind of. turns into like to like a library. I. know that's kind of like a dumb play on. words, but it's like now I have to go.

back in the shows. >> out what the [ __ ] I mean, that would be. exhausting. Dude, that was a lot of like You know. >> Like I think I was probably lying to. survive. I don't even know what I was. doing. Like for I think for certain. years my child I was like, I don't even. know what's going on, but like I'm still. alive. I'm going to keep going, and then. one day you start to kind of get a. little bit better perspective of. yourself, um and things start to adjust a little. bit. Um was it Was y'all's band always. going to be. The Black Crowes? Was there ever. anything else it was going to be? I know. it had different names before that.

>> Well, we were Mr. A band called Mr. Crow's Garden in Atlanta. >> Yeah. Was it ever going to be a. different animal though? It was always. crows. Yeah. I mean, maybe we I don't. really Yeah. No. >> We didn't want to We liked being People. just referred to your band and then like. those guys are in The Crowes, or. whatever. >> Right. So we I mean, I don't know. We. liked that. That's why we kept the E in. the name because Mr. Crow. was the guy's name in this book, Mr. Crow's Garden. Um.

that this girl had in her dorm at the. University of Georgia, and she showed it. to me, and that's just the way it was. I. was like, "Oh yeah. Cool. It's like. psychedelic, and like kind of '60s, and. we liked that aesthetic, and um but. yeah, by the time. you know, I. I remember we drove over There's a place. called Rome, Georgia. Oh yeah, I've. heard of it. I think I did a show. actually in No, maybe I didn't. I've. heard of it. >> Yeah, it's north kind of east of Atlanta. I think. Uh there used to be I don't. know if it's still there a boarding.

school called Darlington or whatever. My. dad went there and my brother went to. boarding school there which is funny. Um. And there was a little club there and we. had a gig and we drove up there and we. had made our first album and we drove up. there. Were we all driving? You remember? >> A van like we had a van probably my. dad's van or something he let us use. >> [ __ ] yeah dad. >> We drove [clears throat] up there. Way. to go big Stan. And. we said it like by the time we [ __ ]. roll in the parking lot we like we're.

the Black Crowes. Everybody hip to that? Like this is what it is. We're the Black. Crowes. That's what we are. We go in and we. [ __ ] set up our [ __ ] We do sound. check and we we're playing Jealous. Again, Twice As Hard, like songs that. would later you know that record would. be Yeah, for sure. The band we get off. stage there's a bar down the street. we're going to go have a couple drinks. The band that is opening for us was like. a dad and like his daughter and their. like cousin or like some family [ __ ] and.

they were like they set up and we were. like all right like weird. So we come. back we're the Black Crowes. We walk in. the club there's. the only people there are the dad, the. daughter, and the cousin and the band. and they're sitting at a table eating. Subway sandwiches and I'm like we're the. Black Crowes and we played Jealous Again. and they're just like eating their. sandwiches. They're like. three people four people I was like. [ __ ] hell this isn't going well.

Those are school and it was at a school? No, it was at a club. Yeah, but just. somehow they put these Oh yeah. people. on you know the family on the bill. the only way this story could be better. is if they had been a Christian group. but I don't know if the family Oh dude, I can only hope. One One time there was. a guy that was kind of hitting me up. I. don't know if he was a pedophile and he. thought I was younger. >> Let's hope he was. Oh, for sure, [laughter] dude. Cuz look I I I look He needed something. to do in his older years, but maybe he.

thought I was young and cuz a lot of. times pedophiles are He's like, "I'm so. bored." Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> It's time to commit a crime against all. nature. But I'm just saying that like cuz. sometimes pedophiles will drive by and. you'll be like, "No, I'm 40, you know?". Like they just don't You know what I'm. saying? Someone don't have. Yeah, and someone don't have good. glasses. It's all types of things. It's. eyewear, it's health care. It's a lot of. stuff, but. >> not wearing his prescription. He's. wearing the glasses with the big nose. cuz he's on the sex offenders registry.

and he doesn't want anyone to recognize. [laughter]. him. Well, I miss the old pedophile that at. least had like the peeping Tom like the. ladder hanging out of the back of the. truck like the the The old pedophile was. your family like, "Don't sit on Uncle. Oscar's lap." You know what I mean? They're like, "Why would they invite the. pedophile uncle?" He's like, "Kids want. some quarters?" Like, "No, you We No. You know what we want? We want justice. for your victims. You [ __ ] sick [ __ ]. That's what we want." He's like, "I got. a roll of quarters in the middle of my.

pants." And you're like, "That's crazy.". >> Who wants to dig for loose change? Like, [ __ ] you know? But dude, those are the back when they. had pedophiles, it was just a different. time. You know, they have them, but now. they're like rich people are doing it. >> Dude, I was saying the other day there's. a famous character it could be on Sonny. and Cher or Maude or anything. The guy. who runs over in a coat and like. It's like that's a character on movies. and TV shows and he'd have a hat on and.

he'd run over there. That's a guy. Yeah. It was a thing that was on You just saw. it as a kid on TV. I was like, "Hey, there's that guy." As if he was a. colorful neighborhood character or. something. >> Yeah. Like a dude selling It's [ __ ]. horrible. Yeah, I like a dude By the way, that's a. flasher bizarre raincoat people, which. is a great band name. Which also. >> [laughter]. >> We're flasher bizarre raincoat people. You're going to love us. I mean, really.

love us. Well, I'll tell you this. I remember one. time my uncle I was in Atlanta and I. didn't really know him. It was like a. girl my dad had like a daughter from his. first marriage. He drops him off over. there. She had an Italian husband who. was like semi out of work, kind of had. an advertising agency and played. mariachi music at night, right? So, he. takes me to the wine shop or whatever. cuz I think he wanted to go talk to a. woman so he just dropped me off in there. for a little while. >> [clears throat]. >> A flasher comes up. A lady goes, I. remember this. She's like, "Have you. seen my kitty?" And I was I'm thinking.

like I was probably 12 maybe and I'm. like I'm in this store and I'm just like. looking at these big bottles and big. bottles of wine. And I was thinking. like, I don't know I don't think so. And. then she just showed her body like that, the front of her body or you know, cooter and breasts or whatever. And I. didn't know what had happened really. I. didn't know if I was in trouble. Cooter. and breasts, that's the new pub. everyone's going to in that. >> [laughter]. >> It's right over by donuts and dildos. Yeah, there's a father and. >> go there anymore. >> There's a father and daughter [laughter]. there and they're eating Subway right. now as you pull up. But but that was a.

crazy time where I saw a flasher. >> In the liquor store. >> In the liquor store. >> Good How old were you? I was probably 12. maybe. >> place for you to be when you're 12. Yeah, well it was. >> just wander around. Why don't you wander around the French. whites over there? Yes, those are. Bordeauxs. Yeah, that's a pleef we say. if you don't want. >> Yeah, yeah, but you know, if you don't like the pleef fume is nice. as well. I'll be back in an hour and a. half. Have some salted peanuts. >> [laughter].

>> But [ __ ] that was the days when any. other any building that was open was. kind of a babysitter, you know, like. parents would just drop you off or like. significant people in your life. >> Dude, the day my parents realized like. they could split for the weekend and. like Rich and I probably wouldn't die, they were gone. You know what I mean? Like Here, they would leave but like. this is an emergency $20 bill. >> Yeah. And then it would be like there's. two gallons of ice cream and Steak-umm's. in the refrigerator. They had these. things called Steak-umm's and they were. like. >> Bring them up. Those [ __ ] were nasty.

Bring [laughter] them up. Thin slices of some sort of steak. Every time you ate them a dolphin died. somewhere. By the way, I mean hey Post Malone, you. should get Steak-umm on your face. That. would look cool. [laughter]. You know what I mean? Face Whoever Who's. got face tattoos? Jelly Roll, get. [ __ ] Steak-umm. Oh, he would. definitely be good for Steak-umm. Yeah, sliced Get the whole thing. You know. >> get Steak-umm not anymore, you know, [laughter]. since he lost so much weight. Steak-umm,

no, thanks. No, thanks. Dude, that's rocking, bro. I [ __ ]. love that. >> neck or something, Steak-umm's. >> [snorts]. >> Did you Oh, Steak-umm's yeah, it is more. of a neck thing than a face thing. I. think we're getting to that place where. people are going to start renting out. their body spaces for exactly for. tattoos. Just people to survive. We're. already at the place where, you know, a. lot of people are selling their bodies. on OnlyFans and over their phones and. stuff like that. So, it's definitely. getting to a unique spot. >> mean they're selling their bodies? Just. like selling sexual videos and stuff.

I guess that's not their bodies really, you know. I mean it's their souls, but. whatever. I mean I'm just Actually, [laughter] it might be more. Just. kidding. It might be more souls. >> people Whatever, it's the oldest. profession in the world. >> And look, I've supported it, so I'm not. you know, no big judgment. >> look, I mean it's to you I'm glad you. have a healthy relationship with it. after the kitty lady at the liquor store. when you were 12. That's traumatic. >> try as hard as I can to remember what. she looked like and I can't exactly. I. can remember the outline of her, but I.

can't remember like the end line and. that's what I think I wanted the. >> I didn't see her, but if I close my. eyes, I see the green lady from Star. Trek. Ooh, bring her up. >> [laughter]. >> I don't remember her exactly, but I. believe. >> I mean, I know it's your There she is. It's her, right? Yeah, it was her. >> [laughter]. >> It was her, dude. Sorry. >> God, dude. But, yeah, I definitely I remember that. Trying to think of what else. Kids. today, they have everything at their. fingertips. When we were kids, you had. to wait till the green lady episode of.

Star Trek came on, which is probably. only once or twice a year. >> Yeah. Well, you had to playback a movie. to playback a movie like and try to. pause it right at the spot where there's. a part of a tit or whatever. Yeah. I. mean, it was, you know, And you had to. listen so hard for somebody coming in. the front door cuz there's only one TV. in the living room. You didn't have your. own TV in your room to play at touch. your body to or whatever. Yeah, to put. your weights down and touch your body. >> [laughter]. >> And dance for your brother. Or myself. Yeah, or whoever. Oh, once we got a. mirror in my room, he didn't need me. anymore. That was Crazy part. [laughter].

That's the worst. >> It was the It was the wildest, dude. And. we had a layer. >> to know. That's a good. That's you know, all of it is adding up, you know, the rejection of that. Deep. wound. Oh, dude. >> And the. beaver lady, kitty lady. >> It was there. Yeah. And you probably Did. you ever work in a liquor store after. that? You're like, "This is pretty. nice.". >> No, we did a shrimp and video, though. We had shrimp We used to shrimp out a. pound and come rent a movie over there.

At shrimp and video. And but, did you. have other movies other than Forrest. Gump? Yeah, yeah. >> [laughter]. >> We just had. 200 copies of Forrest Gump. And one copy. in the back of Foreskin Gump, which is a. different movie altogether. Bro, I had no [ __ ] clue you were this. hilarious, dude. That's awesome. Thank. you, bro. I was having a shitty day. >> Gump usually isn't in the press release. before I show up. But, I said, you know, [ __ ] it. You're drinking Sonic and [ __ ]. I'm like, might as well. You know what I.

mean? I'm like, you know what I [laughter] mean? After. the whole foreskin thing, I'm not. getting any [ __ ]. Who's going to have me? You know what I mean? Foreskin Gump, yeah. What did we get What did we watch? >> saw that on the spine of a. porno in New York in the old Tower. Records by Lincoln Center up there. To be honest [clears throat] with you, full disclosure, I wasn't in the porno. section. I was obviously going around to. the free jazz documentaries. And no, I.

wasn't. But I saw it. >> [laughter]. >> They didn't have. Oh, and is that guy in blackface? They. didn't Let's hope. Again, let's hope. it's worse than we could ever imagine. But they had all the covers off of the. video. This was before DVDs. They had. all the covers off of them, but just the. words in black. And there's a thousand. words in my brain goes, "Foreskin Gump.". >> [laughter]. >> I've never forgotten it. Dude, that's.

great. Yeah, I don't remember the first. porno. I knew my I saw they had a stack. of videos, and I remember jerking off. and blacking out. Um I just couldn't handle it. I couldn't. handle having any feelings, especially. not that much at once. >> Yeah, yeah. And it was like, ah Well, they say the first time is, you know, >> [laughter]. >> It's all you need. You know what I mean? You're never the. same. You know what I mean? You're never the same. Did you have cuz. I knew you had experience with the drugs. and stuff over the years. Were there Did. you try to different drugs and thinking.

that they would help you write or create. certain music? Was there ever any of. that energy? Or is that is something. that like musicians even do, really? I. mean, I I've. I've always done my writing. I might be. a little stoned sometimes, but I've. never. did drugs to write, you know what I. mean? I mean, I've So that wasn't a. thing. But you know, like psychedelics. they're in my writing, but I don't take. psychedelics to write. All of it all of. it's in there, you know, I mean I was a.

person. um. I. I'm fairly well adjusted in some ways. I never took drugs to blotto myself out. I always I I truly I'm talking about. roman- my romantic relationship with. drugs and okay, those lines can become. blurry at a certain point in my life. But uh. I always kind of knew what was going on.

Um I was never into speed and [ __ ] I. mean I was a coke person and. you know, hard drugs. >> Yeah, that was my forte probably. >> and. but uh speed thank god like all the few. times I ever tried it I was it was just. the worst feeling thing. It just didn't. go with my chemistry. But. uh I. Yeah, I've it was I I [ __ ] love. drugs, you know what I mean? I don't do. them. I'm. I'm sixth almost I'm get- I'll be 60. years old this year and.

uh and I love my life and my. responsibility and. um. and to do what I do I can't do that, you. know what I mean? I you know, it's to. sing and sing at a high level hopefully. to. the workload is you know, when you're 25. you can do that [ __ ] and get up and Oh. yeah, dude, it's a different story as. you get older. I'm in recovery now from. drugs and it's like. yeah, dude, I liked it and if they came.

out with a version that was better for. you They have it it's called. pharmaceutical cocaine. It's just really. [ __ ] hard to get. >> you serious? It's I mean I tried it. I. mean it was. I didn't even know that there was. pharmaceutical cocaine. Yeah, it's on. another Look it up. Yeah, bring it up. it up. Bring it [laughter] up. Let's. Let's see what. Bear Monsanto is up to this week, [laughter] huh? New pharmaceutical cocaine, that's what. we're looking for probably. Well, the. even the old one I think it's better.

than the average old. I got this at the. bowling alley cocaine. >> Yeah, I got it when it was still had the. bag was still warm from somebody's hand. in it then. Of course. And if you And if you didn't do it while. it was warm, it was bad. It was like. Chinese food. >> [laughter]. >> Pharmaceutical cocaine refers to. purified cocaine hydrochloride. used in controlled medical settings. distinct from illicit street forms. It's. classified as a schedule two narcotic uh. controlled substance in the US due to. its medical value despite high abuse. potential. Yep. Fantastic. Huh.

That's the best Yelp review I've ever. read. >> [laughter]. >> Dude, you It [clears throat] makes me. think about this. My favorite joke I ever heard, right? Um. it goes. uh what's the last thing you want to. hear when you're giving a [ __ ] to. Willie Nelson? I'm not Willie Nelson. Okay. >> [laughter]. >> I don't know why that's I said my joke. And I don't know whose it is, but it's. my favorite joke ever. So, for some.

reason I just had to share it with you. right there. >> it. I like it. Thanks, man. Thanks, dude. >> All I could think about is. a sea of red and gray pubic hair now. You know what I mean? That's all I will. I'll go to sleep thinking about it. So, cheers. >> I can't remember what she had. She could. have had a [ __ ] on her. I have no idea. You're like, yeah, but you were just so. shocked. >> I was so shocked that somebody would do. this. I couldn't understand that there. was nothing under it. >> was in Atlanta? This was in Yep, this. was in Atlanta right off of. like I want to say Peachtree one not.

road it was a road it was a circle, right? They're all Peachtree it was like. There's like there's a few something. Civil Rights Boulevard. It was something. like that. It was a It was a lot of. action on it. >> That's every street. >> [laughter]. >> It really was. Do you remember a time. when you got the highest you ever did in. your life? Like do you remember a time. when you got too high kind of? >> Uh. Yeah. Yeah, a couple times. A couple times [laughter] I got too. high. Uh. One time we our old keyboard player in. The Black Crowes in the '90s, this guy.

Eddie Harsch. Ed was older, you know, and he'd been in the blues scene and Ed. was really my drug professor, you know, and and he he taught me a lot about. not just music and stuff, but. especially, you know, the underground. business we were in at the time. >> a little native, huh? He's Ukrainian, actually. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah, his parents. came to Toronto after World War II. All. Canadians are good. Um but one night we. were on the bus and he had like a couple.

of bags of shake, [ __ ] weed, and he. Ed talked like this, man, you know, he's. like, "Man, I'm going to go get some. brownie mix at the truck stop." I'm. like, "All right, all right.". I [ __ ] I don't know, you know, he. comes down to the bus and he he takes. two. bags of shake and pours it in this. little thing of microwave brownie mix. and he mixes that [ __ ] up. He's like. smoking a cigarette and [ __ ] and he put. that in there and I was like, "All. right, I mean, I don't know. How [ __ ]. up can we get?" And he put the icing on.

it and he said, "You eat half and I'll. eat half." And I was like. I then I was a racer head. You know what. I mean? It was a nightmarish It was. either 10,000 days or 5 minutes of. complete. mind-ripping hell of like the I thought. there only death can save me. >> Yes. And.

I just It was just done. I just didn't. know, you know what I mean? I was like, "Oh, I'll eat half of it." It was the. dumbest [ __ ] I ever did in my life. Except the only worst drug experience I. ever had, I was a kid and a kid at my. school gave me some Red Man chewing. tobacco, but just like a piece like. this. I [ __ ] put that [ __ ] in my. mouth and. my parents had gone out or whatever. 5 minutes later. first it felt amazing. The stars were brighter. The world had a.

warm glow. 30 seconds after that, I can still taste. the back of my teeth from throwing up so. horribly in my parents' bushes at our. house. >> Yeah. >> In Jackson's Creek subdivision. Sounds. like the worst CW TV. Yeah, yeah, the. worst CW show. This episode, you know, Skyler gives Jasper chlamydia, you know. what I mean? Where did you get it? I don't want to. tell you.

I got it from Uncle Oscar. >> Yeah, this week Well, he's not my uncle, your uncle Oscar. This week on Jackson's. Creek. I could totally see it, dude. [ __ ] bro. Yeah, there was something. about being in the neighborhood, there. was something about doing drugs, dude. I loved it. I remember um I was scared. of drugs so long. I didn't start till I. was older. Dude, I remember one time doing some. [ __ ]. Somebody gave me something supposed to. be cocaine or something and I I knew it. was like a performance-enhancing drug, right? And this is the second time I'd.

ever This is the first time I'd ever. gotten it for myself. I'd done it twice. I got it in two sauna's working as a bus. boy and people said it was like a. performance enhancer, right? And so. >> You will be able to clean these tables. so much better than you were doing for. Wait, you dropped a fork. 100% Yeah, yeah, right. [laughter]. 100% though. So, I did this [ __ ] I'm. down in Baton Rouge and I just start I. was like, "Well, I'm going to go for a. good run. I'm going to get a strong run. in." So, I'm running, I'm stopping and. doing this [ __ ] and at a certain point I. was I just got. I got really squirreled out. Like I.

could I was afraid to run. Right? But I. was wearing Umbros. Remember Umbro. shorts? I was wearing Umbros and shoes. and no shirt, right? And I was like, "Oh, man." It's typical Louisiana. menswear. I get it. Typical. >> [laughter]. >> twink on the train tracks type of. energy, okay? You're like, "Okay.". So I'm running right through like. Tigerland, which is like right around. LSU campus. And there was like a fence, and so I jump in these I jumped over. this fence. I was like, "I can't be It's. too many people are out here driving. by." Jumped over this fence and I'm in a.

kind of like a backyard area. And they. had a like a little bird bath or. whatever. And I remember I was drinking. out of that bird bath. when the people came outside and were. like, "What the [ __ ] are you doing?" You. know? >> "I'm trying to get a tapeworm. What does. it look like I'm doing?". >> [laughter]. >> What do you think I'm doing? I'm just. stopping for water. >> water and bird feces. So mind your own. business. Yeah, I'm [laughter] having a. >> I'm having an episode. I'm having a Hurricane Katrina martini. I was in Baton Rouge a few years ago,

and I just we went to, you know, get. some cage forget some food, some good. food. It was a little bit out of town. And at the time. >> [laughter]. >> I was with. Camille and I, my wife We weren't. married yet, but I had a Prius at the. time. I don't know, the shame. But I. remember us eating in the looking out. the restaurant and I was like, "Man, I. haven't seen a Prius since I got into. Louisiana. [laughter]. I was seeing all [ __ ] trucks and. [ __ ] more trucks and shit." I was. like, "If we pulled in here in a Prius,

they would [ __ ] kill us." They would. It would be Yeah, yeah, it's it's not I. mean, this was a while ago. It's frowned. upon. No, it's frowned upon. >> [laughter]. >> Maybe the Prius stigmas are over there. or something or they don't even have. them anymore. I don't know. >> It would still be kind of frowned upon a. little bit, but it'd be understood, maybe, you know? >> I had one because I I wanted to know. what erectile dysfunction felt like. Oh, yeah. >> So I got one. Yeah. >> And then I. was like, "This isn't so good. This. isn't [laughter] what I thought.". >> Isn't me. God, dude. That would be my band name. probably erectile dysfunction over the.

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sponsoring the podcast. I know that you had a like a you're a. Grateful Dead fan and that you guys have. kind of crossed paths over the years. Yeah, yeah. And you've played with um. some of their musicians. Yeah, I spent a. lot of time in the old. >> [sighs]. >> realms of the GDs. Yeah. Um did you go. to Bob Weir's funeral? I did not. I did. not. I wasn't uh. Or were people even invited to it? I. don't even know if I how to say that. actually. >> I mean, I'm sure they had a private.

service for him and then they had a. public thing. Um. Yeah, I mean, I was super I mean, I've. been super lucky to uh. you know, rise to the ranks of so many musicians. that I that I've respected and loved and. uh. you know, we were talking about Bob. today and I was like. Bob's great. His great gift is his truly unique, truly.

outside-the-box. musician. Um somebody who. just his whole That's how he was, you. know what I mean? Just very unique Bob. Weir, you know? Like no one thought like. him or played like him or. you know? and that's again when you look. at the world of music full of unique. characters, full of unique voices, full. of. talented. people, sometimes troubled people. What.

you know what I mean? Just the And then. you have someone like Bob who really. stood out. I mean, that's what made the. Grateful Dead so special. Um. It's funny how things that start off. like that and then become sort of so. popular with you know, it starts off I. mean, the the Grateful Dead start off as. like kind of scary like art rock. acid heavy acid. you had to be pretty brave I think to. go see the Grateful Dead in 1968, you know. >> Yeah. Well, that's a good point.

>> cuz you were coming out on the other. side. You know what I mean? Like woo, there was no microdosing, you know. >> [laughter]. >> Uh back then, you know, there was no. coward's dose as I call it. Like just. what a guy at uh. Columbia University said I could take. mushrooms. I'm like, >> [laughter]. >> what? You know, I'm [ __ ] kidding. >> Yeah, read this article. What about all of us in the [ __ ]. trenches for years? You know what I. mean? Like. >> What about us all over here who bought a. cow? >> what about all the brain damage we have? You know what I mean? I could have told.

you that [ __ ]. Oh, dude. >> [snorts]. >> No brain damage. I'm just kidding. >> No. But like what I But see that you see. you know, you said you like Cheech &. Chong. Think about it. Now we're talking. about I took a microdose. Good, I'm. happy by the way. Don't don't take my. No, okay. >> being being sarcastic wrong. I'm it. whatever it takes to get you through the. night to have a nice life and deal. I'm. I'm happy. But you know, like in Cheech. & Chong when he's like he goes, "That's. the most acid I ever saw him take." He's. like. Well, he's like.

He's like laughing at him and like, "That's the drug scene we grew up in.". Like go ahead, man. I hope you have like. a month, you know what I mean? >> out there. Look at him right there. People don't even realize how much that. scene has been used in other movies. since then because of that scene, right? It kind of goes back to like what we're. talking about earlier. >> advertising that. I always my favorite. [ __ ] in the whole movie though is the. thing I. when he's like, "Yeah, these are waiter. uniforms." He's like, "Yeah, man, we. want to look the same but different, you. know, like a band, you know, like it's a. [ __ ] anytime, you know, someone's.

like, "Yeah, they they look like a band, you know, that's Keanu Curtis, man.". Oh, I don't even remember that. My brain's a little bit bad sometimes. I. think I had a am there's uh. or an uh um. [ __ ] I don't know what it's called. Good, at least it took away whatever. it's called. >> in the head by a mule. That's what it's [laughter] called. Okay, wherever your brain doesn't. [ __ ] something's wrong with it. I. think I got that, bro. Um You're like, "Yeah, something. happened to my brain. I got kicked in. the head by a mule." Was [laughter].

there a. Was there an artist death over the years. that I mean, I know that's a weird. question. What was it like. Was there. Yeah, was there like. an artist death that you feel like had. the most effect on you as a musician. kind of or just as like a human being, I. guess? I don't know. >> I mean, yeah, I mean, but probably my. personal friends who passed away who are. great musicians have. always. affected me. Todd Schneider passing. away, dear friend. >> Bring up a picture of him. Special.

special person, freak, freak in the world, lovely lovely person. I had a very. special friendship with him. Very sad. But like big people that I don't know or. whatever, like when Prince died, I was. I cuz I grew up I mean, I [ __ ] love. Prince so much. Prince hurt a lot of. people like I I remember a lot of my. friends being a lot more shocked than I. thought they would when when Prince. died.

I thought Prince would have got a little. more murals and t-shirts, but it looked. like David Bowie got all that, [laughter] you know, and I love David. Bowie, too, but I was like. um. I just love I mean, Prince, ever since. I, you know, I grew up in Atlanta when I. was a like before I got into like rock. and like sort of punk and indie rock. scene. I played a little high school basketball. and I was obsessed with funk. P-Funk records, George Clinton, but I.

was there like Zapp, Gap Band, SOS, Slave, Prince, The Time, Vanity 6. I was. like Rick James funk. >> Dude, that's sick. I loved Rick James, man. Um. As a matter of fact, I have a scar under. here. Rick James was playing the Cool. Jazz Festival at the old Atlanta-Fulton. County Stadium. and my dad knew a DJ at V103. FM, which was like the funk station. So,

this is kind of all before like. rap music takes over. Mhm. And I had. tickets to go to go see Rick James and. Cameo, who I I mean, Cameo was the other. one. >> [gasps]. >> that I loved and Frankie Beverly and. Maze was on there. A bunch of bunch of. R&B bands. And my friend had got a. bottle of vodka and we got so [ __ ] up. the day before that I jumped in the My. parents found me in the neighborhood. swimming pool in the shallow end with my. I jumped in and my chin was cut open. I. was bleeding in the pool and people. like, "Get the [ __ ] out of the pool,

man." I was 15 years old. I was like, "I'm going to get out of the [ __ ]. pool. I'm. You get out of the [ __ ] pool." I. mean, I'm out of my mind. And I look up. and there's my mom and dad and my. brother and I had missed basketball like. spring basketball practice or whatever. My dad's like, "What the [ __ ] are you. doing? What Why are you bleeding in the. pool?" I was like, "What?". And I got [laughter] in the car and and. I was just like, "Hey, and another. thing. Uh you guys know that Rick James had a. hovercraft? He [ __ ] does. I mean, I'm. pretty sure he does. Whatever. I'm just. drunk." My brother's was "You need to.

[ __ ] smell like booze and you need to. shut the [ __ ] up." I'm like bleeding. I. go get stitched up. I go home. I pass. out. My dad [ __ ] kicks me awake at. like [ __ ] 5:00 in the morning. I have. a full-grown up hangover. It's 5:00 in the morning. He's like, "We're going for a run." We [ __ ] run. 3 miles. >> Stan? >> It was like the Great Santini. Have you. seen that [ __ ]. >> [laughter]. >> We run 3 miles. I didn't throw up or. anything. We got to like the last 50. yards and he was like, "Man, you know. you're not going to that [ __ ] concert. today." I was like, "God.

damn.". He said no? He said, "You [ __ ] up. yesterday." What do you think What do. they do? Guilt me. What do you think. your mother thinks?". I mean, probably happy that I'm safe and all. >> [laughter]. >> Bro, they never let you answer that. >> father. Yeah. They never let you answer that. >> saw Rick James. Did you uh That is a That is a bad one. Oh, dude, one of the first shows I ever. went to, Smashing Pumpkins. Actually, my. buddy and I had a pedophile that dropped. us off at.

um. Marilyn Manson when we were underage. We're probably I think 14, 15. He. dropped us off at Marilyn Manson at the. Rind and Inn over there in New Orleans, which is pretty wild. Um. but the first concert. >> You have like an exorbitant amount of. pedos in your neighborhood. You know. that, right? I mean. >> Well, we were kind of kids who were like. looking for like people to be around. And so, I didn't Who's around are like. creepy dudes who are like, "I'll take. you guys.". >> Yeah. Yeah, totally. So, you It's always. like, oh, we you know, and you don't. realize the guy's a pedo. You think he's. just a cool guy. Then you get older and.

you're like, "Oh, that guy was. >> He was 37 hanging out with us, you know, smoking pot and [ __ ] you know, trying to tickle. >> for you guys in the parking lot." Trying. to tickle everybody. Yeah. Horrible. It's so horrible. >> Dude, the craziest part was though, my. best friend Scott, I used to his dad. knew the guy who was like the pedo guy. This one guy, Mr. Richard. So, I would write letters from Mr. Richard to my buddy Scott and mail them. to his house all the time. >> That's [ __ ] up. And his stepdad. [clears throat]. >> [ __ ] That's good [ __ ] too. I get it. I.

like [laughter] the You know, you're. just. >> That's the [ __ ] I love, bro. >> I know. Just the psychological torture. Yeah, I get it. I get it. And his stepdad would be like, "Oh, you. still talking to this motherfucker?" And. he'd come in and just throw the [ __ ]. mail right at him. [laughter]. And they already had the worst. relationship. >> right? No, he had no idea. >> thought it was the real guy sending him. the No idea, dude. I'd send him like. four Christmas cards every year from. this dude, bro. Cuz when you're a. pedophile, I bet they [ __ ] love. Christmas, I bet. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah.

>> it's just an old dude stopping in and. getting the [ __ ] in relating with. children. That's all it is. Dude, we we. see Look at the old Christmas pictures. Your parents took you down to some guy. some drunk in a beard, and you sat on. his lap. He's like, You know what I mean? I'm sure if scout. boy scout boy scout guys are are pedos, then the Santa guys There had to be one. one or two. It's like, "Oh, we went to. the Easter Bunny." I know the Easter. Bunny had an erection. You know what I.

mean? How can you tell? I could just. [ __ ] tell. You know what I mean? And it wasn't. about pagan. rabbit [ __ ] This was real. >> No, this is real, yeah. God-given Yeah. blood-to-muscle erection. >> Yeah. The science of the thing. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Somebody's a pedophile, and their friend. is just the scientific guy. >> of the thing. Yeah, it's a scientific. thing. You gotten open and have have open for. you like so many amazing groups. Is. there like a tour or a part of like your.

music or I guess even maybe your musical. life that you would go back to and and. redo if you could, kind of? I know you. said you're not a go-back guy. Yeah, it is what it is, you know what I. mean? Like again, I. I and I've had the opportunity in life. if I've. made You know what I mean? Uh if I had if I if there was something. that that I felt what that that. I was involved in when that was rude, I.

don't know, whatever. Um. I've had the opportunity to tell people, man, that that was [ __ ] up, you know. what I mean? Whatever. I mean I mean it. I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it. But I don't care to change anything. You. know, they say, "What would you What's. your letter to your younger self?" I'm. like, I. um. I don't know if that would have meant. anything. Um That's a good point. What younger. self would give a [ __ ] You know, it's. funny because I I was saying the other.

day like. I love Steven Tyler. He's been. supportive. He's a friend. I'm always. there for him. And I was I was telling. the story, when we sold a lot of records. on the first record, he called me and. goes, "Save your money, man." And I was. like, "I'm 24." I'm [laughter] like, "I'm not saving my money." Like, I love. you and I appreciate the wisdom cuz. you've been through it all in this. business. I've made one record. You know what I mean? Like. I I appreciate I did appreciate the. advice, but I was also like, I'm a I.

No way am I No way is this the. I'm not just made the first record and. had the success and now's the time to. play it safe. You know what I mean? I. was like, that doesn't make any sense to. me. That's a good point. Did you get. something Do you ever get something that. was pretty wild kind of? Like something. cool? No. >> [laughter]. >> Like a skull or something like a human. bone or whatever? >> someone gifted me a human skull later. Um that was through weird Grateful Dead.

stuff. It was no members of the Grateful. Dead. It was like at a park and like. like a trade like at one of the No, no, somebody gave it to me. I. But It was it a fan or something? >> I my my extravagance. has always been the same. I like. clothes. Mhm. And I like travel. I like to travel. I'm obsessive. uh. I'm obsessed with food. I'm obsessed. with cuisines from my travels and around. the world.

>> and stuff like that? Food. Just the. food. You know what I mean? Yeah. >> Um. A lot of my. downtime when we travel is based around. food. So, that's a bit bougie. But really all. I ever spend money on truly. is uh books and records, you know. I've. been collecting records since I was 12. Um and books as well. So, it's just a giant [ __ ] of Yeah, I.

moved out of my parents' house in 1987. with just cases of records and boxes of. books, and it's still the same thing, kind of. Yeah. Um But yeah, I'm not a. car guy or I don't have like rare. guitars and [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Yeah, I don't really like I don't really. spend money on almost anything. I kind. of I care about it, but I guess you're. right. Like getting to go places I'm. realizing is a little bit more. important. I I was just in um Have you. been to Oahu? No. I. I was.

in Kauai once. >> Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I went to Oahu. They had like a. surf competition going on. It's like. like a real one, you know? Not like the. Brady Bunch? Right. But yeah, they had. this competition was going on. >> Amazing. But the it only happens if the. weather permits. So, like each morning. you kind of have to get there and see if. it. >> And hope that the conditions are. >> Yeah. And hope that the conditions are. cool. But it's pretty incredible just to. >> When I go to the ocean things, I like to. go to Jamaica. Ooh. >> a lot of. You ever see Diplo down there? I think. he has a house down there.

>> No. I don't I don't I I've never I've. never been invited. >> [laughter]. >> I'm going to tell him then. >> I'm kind of in the country, too. I. a place called Bluefields. It's been. very. Bluefields, Jamaica? Bluefields Bay, yeah. In Westmoreland, in in. Westmoreland. There's Bluefields, yeah. Actually, I stayed at that place, the. second one to the left. Yeah, I stayed. at that place. >> A long time ago. Wild. Do you like. >> hurricane was brutal there. Brutal,

brutal. It was really sad. But Jamaicans are. incredible people. >> So that's your place if you choose to go. to a beach, that's your spot? I like to. go to Jamaica, yeah. >> Yeah. I like Jamaicans. I like Jamaican food. And. >> Bananas and meat? I like Yeah, sweet sop. and sour sops. And I. There you go. Oh, that looks good. >> a Jamaican dog that's named Bammy. Cuz. in Jamaica we eat cassava root that's. kind of deep fried like a hash brown, and it's called bammy. There's a piece. of bammy.

So that's kind of the color of our dog. when we found her. She was a street dog. in Jamaica. Oh, did you ever meet that guy down. there, McAfee, that virus guy? You ever. meet that guy? I got to have it when I. go. I've been going for years. We always. just take off to the country, you know. what I mean? Just chill. I like my I. have like really close people there. They're the most soulful, incredible people. And we just [ __ ]. play dominoes and laugh, and there's. Bammy long face. Aw. >> Jamaican dog. That's a nice animal, huh?

She's the best. She has another name. The perfect one. You always been an animal lover? I I like Yes, I like I'm a Yeah, we have. a cool cat, too. Um Yes, I love I love pets. I love. having pets. But I wouldn't have like. rabbits and, you know, guinea pigs and. [ __ ]. >> Horses, you ever owned any? No. I love horses. I don't ride, but I love. them. Yeah. >> My wife's a horse girl. I'm not good on.

them. I've done it. I mean, it's fun. I like. to I like I would be I wish I'd grown up. um. We didn't do [ __ ] in my house. That's. why I was busy watching all these weird. movies and getting weird and listening. to records. You know what I mean? I mean. I did play Little League football and I. did martial arts when we were kids and. played basketball. You know what I mean? I did [ __ ] like that. And when I was a. kid, you know what? I liked to fish when. I was a kid. >> Oh, fishing is fun. >> done it in like 40 50 years. I don't. know. >> Really? You haven't done it in that.

long? No. Who took you fishing? Um. My racist Uncle Bruce. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz my dad didn't really give a [ __ ]. about fishing. Yeah, sometimes but it's. >> know he I didn't know he was like that. then but I liked it cuz we would go down. to Florida and do saltwater fishing and. then being in Georgia we would do bass. fishing and stuff. It was fun when I was. a kid. But I haven't. done [ __ ] like that forever. Yeah, sometimes I Too busy reading Jean. Cocteau. >> [laughter].

>> Um one one more question about uh music. and then I want to hear a little bit. more about your new album. Um and the. new album it's called A Pound of. Feathers. >> The band made a record called A Pound of. Feathers. The band in this case was just. me and Rich and our drummer Collie. We. uh. We did We went in This [clears throat]. record we went in the studio without any. songs. You know, we just had some ideas. and riffs and um. we wanted to do it that way. We wanted. to do something that was uh more.

spontaneous and on the fly really and. see. where that took us, you know? So we. ended up. My joke with friends was we could have. done it in five days if we had written. any songs but it took eight or nine days. or whatever. >> For the whole album? Yeah. Yeah. It was beautiful, you know what I mean? We were on a roll. We we. I mean Rich has parts and I have I will. I will go and have like five or six. notebooks full of ideas. But that doesn't mean anything either. cuz a lot of times I'll just pull things.

out of the sky or whatever. Um. no matter what. the world changes, you know, we're. talking about buying snow tires and. [ __ ] for program directors at rock. radio stations or whatever. >> The good old days, Reagan era. >> Yeah, when you could sell some [ __ ]. records, too. >> Yeah, dude, that was [ __ ] Reagan. moments. >> for us, it's always like that was just a. part of like. the. the the the the business that was.

adjacent to what we loved and wanted to. do, playing in a band. And. it's funny because all these years. later, we realized that making records, you know, we're not going to be we're. not going to have we're not going to. sell a million records. We're not going. to sell any records. But this is what it is. But for us, to. get in there and to know, you know, and. to feel that way and to realize like, look, man, when we got started, we. didn't know of [ __ ] except we knew what. was authentic and real in our hearts and.

what. music meant to us and if we're going to. join, you know, when our our first. record came out, I'm like, dude, we're. in Look, you can go to a record store. and there's Black Crowes records, but. there's. John Coltrane records, you know what I. mean? There's. >> Ryan Adams. Leonard Cohen. Yeah, that's right. And. other Canadians as well. Um. but or whoever. You know, the multitude of things that. that we loved in the time, you know, how. important record stores were, that we're.

a part of something meant something to. us and still does. And that we can still. have a vibrancy about what it is we want. to do and say. Um. that we can have those moments where I'm. sitting there and we're writing these. songs and it works. And I don't care if it works again in in. other. uh. in another construct. It works for me. and my brother cuz this is we wrote. started writing some songs at mom and. dad's and you know, here we are. Yeah.

And it's and now our songs are in. people's lives and that kind of thing. But that it's still [ __ ] energy that. I like that I can look around and this. [ __ ] darkened time that we're in and. muster the vibes to make something and. feel this is what I want to say, you. know. My poetry doesn't have to have any. message other than it's humanity. >> Mhm. Other than you know what I mean? And the the connection I want through. the things that I've done, the things.

that I am, the things that I dream up, my imagination, you know what I mean? I. I always laugh because I do you do you. have you ever seen Barton Fink, the. movie Barton Fink, the Coen brothers. movie? No, I might actually I think I. tried to watch it. Let me see a picture. of it. It's black. >> John Turturro plays this guy who goes to. LA. It's a movie about writer's block, but. >> It looks just like Eraserhead. >> Yeah, yeah. So like totally. But there's a scene in the movie with a. writer. He's friend he befriends another.

writer who's a southern guy and he's. kind of I guess based on like William. Faulkner or something was in California, I don't know. But he has this real. Barton Fink's really passionate, you. write for the common man and how do you. you know, how does where do the words. come from that you could communicate. like that? And he and he's a drunk, the. other writer, and he's from the south. and he goes, "Well, Bart, Mhm. I like to make things up." And I was. [laughter] like I was like, "That's it,

you know what I mean?" Like it kind of. is what it is and that's the same things. I. I don't have a toolbox at home, but I. like to write and I like to, you know, I like to dream and this is a dreamer's. paradise. I've made I've made my own. reality out of my limitations as a like. fully functional like person because of. whatever the way my mind works. And it. helps if you sing good, whatever, you.

know what I mean? And you like to get on. stage and keep people interested in the. and you know, there's a bit of the old. It's like Bob Dylan says, I'm a song and. dance man, you know what I mean? So, I'm. I'm that as well. Yeah, it's a dude, the. other night a girl was talking to me. about her music for so long then she got. up and sang for me and it was some of. the worst stuff I've ever heard and then. I like for 70% of our time together I. was there with her and then it fell. apart in that last 30%. So, I think the. sharing it. >> [singing].

>> the how you share it is right. But I do. think it's interesting. like it is a dreamer's paradise and one. thing that you don't want to lose like. no matter how like bleak time seem or. how dark certain things are are that are. going on. is that we have to stay creative, right? Like we like as much as it hurts or as. it's tough or it's like it's not it's. not easy to sit and do to think of like, oh I can be creative right now. I think. if we lose that then that's then then. that's going to be really bad, you know? Agreed. Agreed. I mean and that's.

again, I think the inspiration of. all of these things we are seeing have. all been played out before. We've seen. it and and and. the reality of that is is we've seen who. you know, we'll see this come to some. sort of Look, like I said, who knows. between then and there. Yeah. >> But I refuse to. I I refuse to allow defeatism.

to rule my life. I refuse to let the. fear and ignorance of the whole thing. dictate. my my every [ __ ] thing. Yeah. You. know what I mean? Because. I mean, I don't know cuz you I think you. have like you said you have to and I and. I'm. And we can get addicted to the new where. you get addicted to that stuff and then. it takes over your time, it takes you of. your life and it takes your flame down. and it takes your flame and you're like, "What am I doing here?" You know?

>> be I mean, it's not even escapism to me. because I need to when we were talking. earlier about how I have to keep my head. or I have to devote myself to whatever. the thing is is the muse that keeps my. creative energy. where I want it to be and what it means. Um. in this in the exact same. respect. if these things these things cycle. through people you yeah yeah it's proven.

again you can't stop. You know what I mean? And. I don't know. I I feel I I feel like I. feel like I you can't again, I'm not I I. don't want to put my head in the sand. cuz that doesn't help. >> Yeah. But I do realize. uh. >> That we're on the beach. Oh yeah. Well, I do realize too that there's a lot of. footprints on the beach. You know what I. mean? People have been coming to this. beach for a long [ __ ] time and we. just kind of have to remember that as.

well. >> That's a good point. I mean, you know, um. people romanticize and they. in any time in history tyrants and. people who. >> Oh yeah. kings who have become deranged. and you know, the abusive power and ego. and all these things and you can see. what happens. You know what I mean? >> Right. You see what they that you know. what I mean? You you it goes for a while.

but then it's over because humans don't. play that, you know? We If there's like. a song that we use when we ride in a. battle, say this has to happen, right? And we won't put you on a horse or me. You would I'll be you I'll be. out in the back. I'll be the medic. >> would be better for me. >> [laughter]. >> Hey, at least. >> I still get a medal? You know what I. mean? >> At least you know the catering will be. like very enjoyable. >> Yeah, you know what I mean? Like. >> [laughter]. >> sorry. sorry El Comandante, that's the wrong. white wine with the branzino.

>> [laughter]. >> Do you do we. what song do we listen to when we're. riding into battle, do you think? Maybe it doesn't it doesn't have to be. like the perfect song, but what's a good. one, huh? Well, it's definitely not Onward. Christian Soldiers. That doesn't have a. good beat. I don't I can't dance to it. What song? >> I don't know. Would it be It's a long. way to the top if you want to rock and. roll by AC/DC? That might be a good one. Yeah, play that real quick. I want to.

make sure that I'm on the right one of. that. >> [laughter]. >> You had it. That was it. >> Okay. Um what about your new tour? Can you. tell us like. obviously it's tougher touring now. What's so Is there anything that's super. different about it? >> There it is. Um. >> Myers. That's right. I saw you guys at a. send I think like 2 years ago and then I. saw you in New Orleans like. I think it might have been the '90s. probably or no, maybe 2000s. >> Yeah, I mean we played many times. The same. >> This tour is going to be super fun, you. know what I mean? They're a little bit. country and we're a little bit rock and.

roll. And we're a little bit country, they're a little bit rock and roll, too. Got to work on that chorus, Tony and. Marie. What the [ __ ]. Um. Yeah, I mean touring you know, I still. love it. I still think there's a lot of. adventure to have and it's the same kind. of some of the things we're talking. about. There will be someone I never. met. There will be. thing you know, we have a good time. It. should be fun, you know, touring's fun. We play It's called playing music. It's. fun.

Um. I I I. It's hard sometimes when you get older. and the crowd is. you know, telephone people's phones. put up sometimes a wall between what we. want to put out and what we want y'all. to pick up. Oh, that's a good statement. >> You know, because now it used to be like. this and now it's you know, what? Oh, yeah. Or oh, yeah. Instead of really feeling the music and.

hearing the music and seeing where that. could take you. That being said, I don't police anybody. You know what I mean? Like y'all do what. you want to do. I'm so happy that you. bought a ticket no matter. how you get there, what you do when you. get there, that's up to you. I'm just. saying that as a guy who's spent this. [ __ ] lot of time on stage. You know, and I'm the type of performer who I need. I need the I need it. You know what I.

mean? Yeah. I need something back. It. feels good. That's when stuff ceases to. uh. it just flows all together. You know, and those are the those are the shows. and the moments that are. you did that aren't hard. You know what. I mean? >> Yes. And those are the ones where you're. just like, "Oh, this is beautiful. This. is This is everything.". And that we have that more than we. don't. Yeah. Um But I know what you're. saying. I even I I noticed that even. stand even when I've done that and I.

noticed how it feels. I went to see. Aerosmith on their when they were. playing in Las Vegas when they had the. um this is like maybe three, four years. ago. >> Yeah, yeah, their residency there. Yeah. And there was one time when um. when Steven Tyler came right over by me. and I was like trying to get my and I. like I like missed this moment and I. still just feel bad. I still think. about, "Man, what was I doing?" You. know? >> [laughter]. >> Like what was I doing? So instead of. just yeah. >> have let the quicksilver that is Steven. like envelop you as he went by. >> Oh.

I still yeah. The best, dude. Um Chris Robinson, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it. >> Thank you, man. Appreciate your time. Thanks for all the music. Thanks for all. the excitement over the years. Um, yeah, just the time to get to come see you. Me. and my brother still talk about the. Crowes, so we still uh listen to it. together. So, thank you so much, man. Thank you, man. >> Yep. >> Tell your brother I said hey. I will, dude. Thank you. >> have big muscles? Uh, no, no, >> [laughter]. >> but he's a smart guy. And he's kind of. like your brother, I think. He's um, he's probably the sweet, I think he's. like the sweeter one of us. Or this, he's a sweet guy. But like a, just like.

he's he's a nice guy. So, um, tell Rich I said hello. I will, of. course. He'll love it. >> Thank you, brother. Cheers. Now, I'm. just floating on the breeze [music] and. I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I. must be. cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, [music] I'll share this piece of mind I. found. I can feel it. in my [music] bones. But it's going to take.