Chris Hemsworth | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #640

Just a reminder that you can watch video. versions of our episodes now on Spotify. as well. Today's guest is an actor. He's. a producer. He's a life explorer, if you. will. He has a new film out that's. called Crime 101. It's in theaters right. now. You can go check it out. Um, I had. a good time getting to know this. Australian gentleman. Today's guest is. Mr. Chris Hemsworth. I know.

and I will find a song I've been. singing. [music]. >> Australians I think they just I feel. like they're more like risque with their. lives kind of. Yeah, there is a lack of. uh well, it's a risk averse due to. either the the the lack of fear or the. extra amount of stupidity at times. >> It fluctuates.

>> It's a beautiful bravery though that. they have, you know. >> Yeah. >> And even like when you travel, like one. thing I remember from just traveling a. lot was just seeing Australians. everywhere. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> they pop up in anything any you know. >> like you turn on a tap in another. country like you know you you're pouring. a beer and a couple of Australians just. come out on surfboards kind of a boogie. boards. >> It's as an Australian that's always. problematic. It's like you go to a. country to get away from Australia and. have a different cultural experience and. it's oh good day mate [ __ ] yeah I know. you and the next minute you're all at. the bar together doing what you did back. home. >> Yeah. Yeah. I could totally see that.

man. >> Yeah. >> Where does that nature come from in. Australians to go? Is that like a. because I I mean it's a serious thing. that I think everyone would say is that. you go anywhere and there's Australians. there. I think it's we, you know, we're. quite isolated where we are, you know, and and for such a uh we're a young. country as far as the, you know, the. white settlement that being there, you. know, in the last sort of 200 and so. years and there's been always a sense of. adventure either across the country.

itself or just the need to get out and. explore because again it's not like you. know if you're in Europe you're you know. jumping from France to to Italy to. London and you can have you know you. know different cultural experiences. within, you know, a 2-hour train ride. For us, it's a big adventure. You know, pack a backpack and you're on uh several. flights and buses and trains and boats. and whatever. And and so there is a. there is an adventurous spirit, but I. think a um uh you know, all the guys I. grew up with, it was like finish high. school and go backpacking [snorts].

around the world. >> So that's like a big thing where people. are like when they finish, so like when. they finish high school, it's like I'm. going to get out of here. I'm going to. go experience something. Is it almost. taboo if you don't in a way that if you. don't have like a. >> No, I think it just comes from not. having figured out what you want to do. next, you know, and and I like I. probably 50/50 with my group of friends. who knew what they were doing. They were. going to, you know, a couple of them. went into a trade and a couple of them. went to university and then a couple of. them were like, I got no idea and maybe. I'll find it in uh you know, Peru or.

wherever I'm going to go backpacking and. and and and you know, cross paths with. folks that might inspire something else. in me. But yeah. >> Did you do something like that? I know. you grew up like partially in the. outback and partially in Melbourne, right? >> Yeah. Grew up in Melbourne, then lived. in Northern Territory in an Aboriginal. community about 4 hours southeast of. Catherine and like in the middle of. nowhere. Um and it was that was my. earliest most vivid memories. Um but. that. >> we're there in the bush kind of. >> Yeah. like there we're there's an. Aboriginal community, bunch of.

Aberiginal communities in the region we. lived in and I mean all out through all. across Northern Territory but um where. we were the proximity there were sort of. three or four communities that my dad. worked um ran like a cattle station and. then um ran like a community center and. I went up there when I was five or six. and then came back to Melbourne and then. again when I was like like seven 8 n you. know so so a couple of different times. but as far a backpacking thing. I. started working when I was 18. I ended.

up on a soap opera and then that kind of. took me, you know, straight into the. what I'm doing now. But I kind of missed. that. And I do look back. >> and I especially speaking to a lot of. friends of mine that that had this sort. of crazy adventure prior also to being. famous and prior to being recognized and. you could just kind of get into a bunch. of trouble and and explore the world and. and you know make all those mistakes and. hopefully learn something from them. I. feel like that period I do there's a. romanticism that I sort of or a. nostalgia that I long for that that I.

wish I had done that prior to sort of. you know jumping into into the working. world. >> Yeah. It's one thing that's a downside. of celebrity or popularity is that. >> yeah you there's things you can't kind. of go do like in a like Yeah. Like. sometimes I'll romanticize as well like. being like oh I'd like to go there or go. there but then I'm like it would be more. uncomfortable now or it would be some. type of way. And uh. >> did you do it after school? Did you ever. get a chance to travel and. >> Yeah. Yeah. I had a girlfriend. We went. over there and that was like a seven. country fight we went on. Did [laughter].

>> Oh man, I fought in so many territories. and different like Oh man, I thought I. was like working with Napoleon or. something over there. It was a lot of uh. Oh yeah, I should get a medal for that. And so should she. I'm going to say. that. >> What was What was the uh the drama? What. was it coming from? just I think you. don't know how you are when it's like. stressful out there when you're on. trains and you're moving your bags all. the time and we booked too many places. to go see like we should have done. >> four days in each spot and we tried to.

do like two days nine spots instead of. do like four spots, five days and so. you're just constantly on the go and you. just I would be sneaking off and just. drinking wine by myself and like and. then one night I took I freaking went. off to the grocery by self and somebody. had like a hit of LSD or something. It. was like probably a pretty, you know, neuvo grocery I guess and uh because. [laughter] I mean it wasn't on the. shelves but it was available in the. parking lot, you know, [laughter] which.

I consider an extension of the grocery. Um but yeah, so then I came back there. and I was like I thought it would like. boost my spirits and then it was just a. long that was horrible [laughter] and. that time we were like in a camping sort. of environment where there were outouses. and stuff and so. >> where in what country? >> That was outside of Venice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So but it was great but it was. just like that was just a lot you know. >> too much in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> but yeah like going on that doing. something like that now it would just. feel like. >> Yeah. >> It would feel tougher and I'm sure Yeah.

It's like you're Chris Himsworth now. So. it's like there's, you know, that name. is bigger than you. And so it's like. >> it's interesting because I sort of at a. a point in my life where I don't know if. you find this but every few years you're. kind of you know what was the goal at. one point quickly becomes the norm and. then you're on to something else and. then it's the sort of reassess of like. what my purpose is around or the why as. to doing this thing and I'm chasing it. for one reason then it's for something. else and and I'm at that sort of point. where I'd love to sort of step away and.

on one hand and and and you do a little. sort of soulsearching and dig a little. deeper and sort of um get a little more. solitude and time yourself. But I think. what would that look like? You know, it's like. >> the idea that's romantic that feels like. >> Yeah, it's not quite. >> But then the reality it's hard to like. say, well, would I be okay in that. footing? >> Yeah. Like I'm not going backpacking at. 42 and not not that I'm you got three. kids and then that's not my kind of. >> Yeah. Your backpack would be full.

>> Yeah. Be full of all three of them. But. it was uh but more just the kind of how. do you the way you see the world through. when when you are famous and recognized. versus when you're not. You know. different things people interact. differently to you you know for for good. and bad but also the opportunities that. sort of present themselves and the. places you can kind of inhabit um become. a little limited in that sense but you. know it's what it is. >> Yeah. the world's your oyster, but it's. like, you know, it's um.

>> you have this this opportunity, but. there's a restrict there is such a. restriction to your um how much you can. really involve yourself in it. You know, it's it's it becomes very observational. You know, we're going to press tour and. you go to like. >> 10 different countries and it's like, god, that must be amazing. It's like. yeah, from the hotel room, you know, you're looking out and then you know, if. you're there's posters and so on around. the streets of your face everywhere, then it's even more difficult. But it's. um.

you Yeah. I I I And not to say I can't. you can't navigate your way around it at. times, >> right? And we're not complaining, but. no, it's an interesting look and that's. it's a good thought. >> You can only it's it becomes very. observational. >> Yeah. Which which look hey is is not a. not a negative either at times. It's. sort of um. >> just what it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's I I think of like popularity. and stuff like that. It's just. interesting to be part of an experiment. like okay this is what it's like. >> Yeah. That's kind of how I now like, okay, there's good parts, there's bad. parts. I don't think of it as me really. as much as like, okay, I'm in this.

setting. >> and this [clears throat] is the. experience. >> And it's also. it's like the the sort of polarity of. things like every. every time you you solve one problem, life has a way of of presenting another. challenge. And not even a problem, it's. it's like the the in the in order to be. able to evolve and growth, you know, the. adversity that's shifted your way. And. and I think that's the sort of the. misconception I suppose is is the. assuming that this that and the other. will.

I'll be void of those problems you know. solve it all. >> and so what what comes with huge benefit. you know in in in you know being like. you recognizable personality and so on. and fame and all that is incredible and. it comes with its own things as does in. any industry. I remember talking to my. mom about this years ago. She was a high. school teacher and I was like, "Ah, man, it's really tricky at work." You know, I. got the cast and the producer and and. you know, then does the film work and. this and she said, "Yeah, it's I could. kind of, you know, line those things up.

parallel to my experience, you know, and. the students might be my audience and. the the principles, the producer and so. on." And it's like that's life. That's. the experience. And I think I've gotten. much better at sort of not um. you know, egoically thinking that mine, my experience is somehow separate, different or unique. It's like. >> whatever industry, whatever demographic, wherever you're born, your kind of life. has a way of throwing you the same sort. of um options, I guess, to appreciate.

things in in in its truest form rather. than sort of, you know, goal seeking or. accumulating or or whatever. >> Yeah. The game doesn't really change. It's like you don't think of like, oh, these problems are different. It's just. like, okay, now there's new things and. that's just life. There's not really. like Yeah, I don't think that popularity. or celebrity is an escape from. >> No. Um, >> and I think if you. >> things if you're re if you're realistic. >> Yeah, for sure. And and there's. certainly, you know, there's a sort of.

we we've you see countless times again. and again the sort of um I guess the not. even the purity but the sort of the the. >> the motivation behind pursuing something. if it is for the assumption of it. solving all the problems like you, >> you know, get ready for a rude awakening. and and it's [clears throat] like oh. [ __ ] that didn't answer all the. questions I had and or it did. momentarily and then you know there's a. new set the next morning and and so kind. of surrender ering to that has been I. think um I think that's the I'd say the.

>> the gift in in. I think experience any form of fame or. sort of um celebrity or whatever is that. you get to kind of see behind the. curtain and you get to have that. realization that from afar most people's. are always going to be living with the. assumption that it might bring you. >> way better behind the curtain. >> Yeah. You get behind the curtain. >> I'm on the other side again. I'm back to. the I'm back in line. >> Yeah. Yeah. You open the curtain, you. realize it's just a mirror. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly that. Exactly that.

Yeah. >> Um, hey, Zach. I'm getting a little bit. of reverb. I don't know if it's from the. audio in the other room. >> Have Chris pull his mic down just a. hair. >> Oh, down a bit. >> Perfect. >> It's up my nose now. >> Yeah, we want to see your face, dude. Because this is, you know what I'm. saying? That's what people want to see. You know what [laughter] I'm saying, dude? God. Dang, dude. [clears throat]. Yeah. Your freaking looks maxing or. whatever they call it, [laughter]. you know? Um, it's got to be crazy just. being so handsome sometimes, dude. [laughter] I bet your mirror whenever it. sees you, it's like, oh yeah, I bet your.

mirror makes a positive sound, you know? >> Uh, I look, man, does I mean, does. anyone. >> Is he gay at all? Sorry. >> No, no, just the two of us in a room. alone. It's It's fine. I feel like. >> whatever, dude. [laughter] You know what. I'm saying? >> No, I I appreciate um. >> pull me a. with some tits on it. >> You're you're you're a handsome fellow, too, mate. >> I don't know, dude. Dude, I'm side of. the road handsome. Like if people are. going by at like 50 m an hour, they're. like, "Hey, I think that guy was okay. looking." [laughter]. >> I'm sitting right next to you and I'm.

I'm I'm admiring what I see, mate. >> I'm hitchhike her handsome. >> I'd pick up if I was if you were. hitchhiking. >> Thanks, bro. Well, you would. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. You can't even hitchhike in. America anymore because like I think. either the the people picking up. hitchhikers were like killing the. hitchhikers or the hitchhikers were. killing the people. what it became like. >> and that that really. >> that became like a real. >> you see Wolf Creek that film years ago. Yeah. I think that kind of ended. hitchhiking in Australia for a good. decade or two. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Dude, do motion pictures realize.

that they just one motion picture about. something ruins the ability to get. somewhere across a continent. >> that ruined hitchhiking and yours ruined. the whole ocean experience. >> Oh god. Yeah. >> I had on hitchhiking. I was in Vancouver. once I was shooting a movie there like. 15 years ago and driving back from from. Whistler and it was like 7 8:00 at night. and picked up a hitchhiker and thought. ain't cool and it started to get real. sort of creepy and starts kind of asking. me like what are you doing where are you. from and what are you up to and like.

getting a little too sort of personal. and where are you staying and whatever. and so I immediately start kind of you. know filling in sort of yeah I just do. heaps of martial arts and you know a lot. of lot of jiu-jitsu and a big background. in boxing and you know telling like. fight stories and seeing if that's going. to sort of like sway the sway the thing. and uh thankfully nothing happened but. it was that that like [laughter]. moment where you're sizing each other up. going well this I don't know anything. about you and you don't know anything. about me and we could be. >> how does this go. >> like how does this story end [laughter]. you start thinking yeah how does this.

story end and what role am I going to. play in. >> yeah how use a knife or a gun or. whatever but. >> yeah that is one thing that is nice I. would say about picking up hitchhikers. I've picked up a fair share over the. years and um It's really like, okay, let's see what God wants for me today. >> Yeah, [laughter] sure. >> You know, >> Mark Ruffalo, he was we were at a music. festival in Australia and uh just, you. know, such a lovely human being and. picked up a couple of hitchhikers and. then next day I spoke to him and he. goes, "I got back like 7:00 a.m." And I. was like, "You left at like 2:00." And.

he's like, "Yeah." But I picked up these. young kids and they were like, you know, 18y old, nine-year-old kids and they. were like, "Yeah, we're going in that. direction." And I didn't have the heart. to tell them I was going the other. direction. So I ended up going this like. 4hour detour. >> But uh. >> that's a big cottage. >> That's that's a that's a ruffle though. >> Yeah. I mean that's also insane to be. driving with children that far. That. seems very. >> old to niney old from a festival. Say. kids see you know they were the sort of. young folk and uh yeah. >> schooloolies they call them. E. >> yeah schoolies. And then the tulies are.

the the older ones hanging around. >> which which they're not the uh they're. the older age kind of creeps that are. hanging around. >> Oh they call them tulies. Oh that's. good. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Cuz they should have a trade. by that point. >> They should they should have a job and. not be hanging around 18-year-olds. >> Yeah. Pick up a hammer, >> you know, do something. >> Um, was there was there kind of a point. where you started to like I think that's. interesting what you said about, you. know, you get to certain moments and you. kind of like you're like, okay, what's. going on now? It's kind of like you're.

in life a lot of times it does feel like. that. And recently, I think it's been. like that for me where it's like I feel. like you're underwater for a long time. >> And not in a bad way or anything. you're. just you're in the mix of life and. you're doing things and then you get to. a point you're like okay let me come up. and see what's going on and why am I why. like what goals did I set and and where. am I now and then what do where do I. want to be next or what things are. important to me now you know or like how. I you know what strokes do I want to use. next in my life to get me to where I. want to be um at the next checkpoint.

sort of. >> for sure yeah and I feel um. >> has it been like kind of a recent thing. that's been going on or. >> Definitely definitely Yeah. This this um. this book called the middle passage. which is you know a gentler term for a. midlife crisis [laughter]. >> like James Hollis and it's it's it's. yungian psychology and it's beautiful. because it talks about you know the sort. of personification of self and and and. and the and this uh you know the. gathering of um our identity as children. and due to our you know family bonds and.

ties, societal expectations, it could be. religious, community, whatever. and uh and you go through life. attempting to present what you think the. world wants from you. Some of it you may. have um some input in as far as what you. want but a lot of it is kind of an. assembling to fit in and then you get to. this certain point usually around your. 30s 40s where that that that mask that. personification starts to wear thin and. doesn't doesn't hold up and there's this.

inner protest and and and Jung talks. about the from the from the soul of the. psyche rises up and says there's a. deeper truth here and a meaning and what. is it and what is my contribution and it. usually comes around Like when it and or. people find themselves in a place of. servitude to something outside of. themselves, you know, and it's like you. you you service yourself for for so long. and as a sort of survival and to to um. to, you know, maintain a position in the.

workforce and so on and then all of a. sudden it's like there's something. deeper that I haven't answered. And and. I I find and and your purpose even. shifts around like the why are doing. things you know like it might purely be. I saying this before but the sort of. purity around your motivations and you. know what is what is your what is your. heart saying what is your passion that's. all very well but you got to pay the. bills and so to be sort of financially. motivated for a period of your life and. to take care of folks and family and so.

on one thing and then okay that's that's. that's sorted Now, that's in a safe place. And what's the. next thing? And um and it's I think you. if you're lucky enough to find that. thing that. >> speaks to you on a sort of a deeper. level, but also allows you to function. and operate in the world and be sort of. financially secure, then great. Um, but. I sort of find myself bouncing around. with those questions a lot more than I.

ever have and a lot more sort of. indecision and a lot more I had this. sort of not naive but pretty strong sort. of um relentless. confidence and pursuit when everything I. was doing and I was going to and it was. when things were as far out of reach as. possible. >> Same. I that's what I had. all of a. sudden you sort of arrive and you have. these things that were going to bring. you all of that fulfillment. and you they do momentarily and then you. start to come up short and you're like. god [ __ ] what what is it there's this.

there's this other sort of burning. desire or voice that requires attention. and it and that you know is around I. think solitude and sort of a slight. separation from the busyiness of of sort. of life and and work and all the. trappings to answer some of those. questions and none of you know I haven't. come come to any sort of finite. conclusion. But I I find the more I. enjoy the mystery of that question and. and and the seeking and the adventure. and that the path that that takes you on. >> then.

with without an attachment to an. outcome. >> I've found myself a lot happier and the. better off you are. >> Yeah. And a lot more at peace with the. the eb and flow and things however rapid. that pendulum may be swinging, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I want to know. That's the thing. Sometimes I just want to like. >> I want to know and I want to know now. and I want to know like sometimes for my. own safety it's like yeah cuz I don't. want to. >> be in limbo you know but yeah I think. having that space of like yeah what. >> of embracing the okay I don't know right.

now. >> and may and that's okay and that is what. is going on and let me. >> enjoy this somehow. >> and living in the questions not the. answers you know there sort of I think. that there's a danger in definitives you. know there's a sort. almost a lack of humility in that too. when and this is where all of our sort. of problems arise is my voice is correct. and yours is incorrect and my versus. yours but allowing there to be mystery.

questions curiosity and I think then. there's an abundance of opportunity to. to learn that that the new things start. to come your way where as soon as I kind. of go I've got it I've figured it out. and I put it in a box or myself or other. people or scenarios. the world just obliterates that. immediately and then you're left with. that disappointment and it's that that. expectation that I'm going to figure it. out is I think is I think that the the. trapping, you know, and so but there's. takes real courage and bravery in in the.

surrendering to that and and the. willingness just to go wow this this. sort of um you know universal kind of. cosmic dance or this adventure we're on. is supposed to be fun and and the sort. of the most serious thing you can do is. not take it serious, you know, and and. and I find myself. >> it. the polarity of things coming back to. this all the time going, >> okay, but what does that mean? And then.

there's that brief sort of moment of. stillness of I don't know and it's just. being okay with the I don't know. >> Yeah. [laughter]. Yeah, dude. So, a lot of times like. Yeah. Like when it comes to like um. feeling just kind of in the world and in. between spaces and uncertain, I want. it's almost like you know when you're a. kid and you run and you want to get your. foot on the base. >> Yeah. >> It's like that's how I want just I want. to have my foot on a base. I want to. have something that feels like it's. certain or at least like as certain for. like as a kid waiting on like I just. want to know that's where I have to be.

as opposed to being like I'm going to. stand here while the third baseman and. the shorts stop throw the ball back and. forth and I'm going to be the guy in the. middle and I'm going to enjoy that. because the truth is as a viewer and I'm. just using like baseball analogy the the. best part of the viewing is you start to. smile when that guy is in between the. short second and third baseman and. they're throwing the ball and you're. like how's this going to go? Yeah, for. [clears throat] sure. >> That's really where the most joy kind of. is. >> That's and that's the the anticipation, the mystery, the sort of immersion in. the adventure. And it's like, you know,

this why we pick up books and we want to. flick to the end. We want to know what. the end is. And same with life. And then. you get to the end and you're like, "Oh. jeez, actually it was all the tropey. things you've heard before that, you. know, the journey, not the destination, so on." And I think that um and I. wrestle with that all the time. And then. but I've gotten better with. understanding that I might have a handle. on it today and I won't tomorrow and. that's okay, you know, as opposed to. kind of just needing that definitive. like what is it about? But I mean if we.

if we knew if there was you know the. reason we um you know the sort of. understanding of our own mortality is. what allows us to appreciate and love. things. you know, without a sort of. conclusion at some point and an end to. it, there wouldn't be we wouldn't even. know what we wouldn't appreciate. anything. >> What would life be then? >> Yeah. You don't know love without loss. and you don't know kind and and so yet. we spend so much time trying to either. figure out the answer or avoid suffering. yet there, you know, the the joy and the.

love and the loss and is one and the. same thing and without this, you know, >> and um. >> dang, dude. But it's kind of I I do. riddles with myself around it. And I. don't know about you, but I was a kid at. night time that would kind of be sitting. there going what is what what does the. end of life look like? And if it's just. blackness, if it's nothing, what can I. still think in the nothing or is it like. nothing? Am I [laughter] you sort of. >> Yeah. Do I have any toys in the nothing? [clears throat]. >> Am I little like like talk to someone. still or is it just like. is there a lunchable, you know, like.

Yeah. Like [clears throat] tell me. [laughter] just tell me that the nothing. is lunchable, dude. >> Yeah, >> dude. That's crazy, bro. I'm realizing. that you're like a smart guy stuck in a. good-looking guy. [laughter]. >> You're not like a good-looking guy. that's just like, you know, >> sorry. And that's a judgment, dude. >> No, sorry. [laughter]. >> That was just like a judgment. >> A lot of questions. >> Yeah, that's a good way to be, man. I I. just Yeah, sometimes I want to be at the. end of the sentence so I feel safe, you. know? >> Yeah. >> I just want to like uh it gets scary. I.

was just talking with um we just had. Kevin James on and we were talking about. like even like uh like if especially. like if I'm in a in a relationship or. like with women or even just sometimes. with buddies and stuff I will if there's. quiet if there's like downtime if it's. silent I'll just start being like what. else is going on like I'll have to fill. it in you know I it's like I won't. >> I it's hard for me to leave the. opportunity for something different to. bloom but then. >> I crave there to be like like whimsy and.

unique experiences and stuff like that. So, I think this conversation is neat. just to even have a thought about that. because I think even just talking about. this will be a reminder of like next. time I'm in some of those moments like. >> let me just see what happens here, you. know? >> Yeah. >> You ever read anything Ellen Watts? It. was. >> I hear a lot of his like audio and. stuff. My mom always sends it to me. >> It's this beautiful thing about love and. about the idea of like falling in love, the absurdity of falling. and he said.

it's you know people say oh it's crazy. to fall in love but how um but but the. act of falling is a risk in itself and a. surrender you don't say rising to love. >> and so anything that's worth pursuing. that that has you know that brings. comfort and love and joy and whatever. >> there is an act of surrender that occurs. at some point and and and that that that. that again in the sort of being okay. with the unknown that gives me sort of. comfort that there's something. >> that's a good point Yeah, it's falling.

It's like. >> you don't rise to love, you fall to. love. I think that's a beautiful quote. >> And if you fall pretty far, you'll end. up in some weird spots. >> And you also fall to some pretty tragic. places, >> you climb into some other ones. And you. know, >> you're in Amsterdam suddenly. You know, >> we all know that to stay in the game, you have to play smart. It's about. longevity, not just taking every single. shot. You need to pace yourself to keep. things fun. That is why Prize Picks has. builtin limits. You can set daily or.

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advice. Trade responsibly. Um, when you get to places where you. like uh are trying to find more time for. peace. I know you had a the documentary. you did called Limitless. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um and I know you have your new movie. Crime 101 and um we want to talk about. some of that. I watched it last night. >> And uh but yeah, was there stuff that. you learned like cuz Limitless is about. you kind of experiencing different. things to challenge yourself? Is that a. good thing to say? >> Yeah, it was it was I've done two.

seasons of it and then I did a an. individual episode with my dad, but it. was a a show about longevity and the. science of longevity. In the first. season, I was very much the the guinea. pig um in the name of science. Then I. would be thrown into, you know, like I. say, so an episode on cold water. exposure. let's show the benefits and. you can swim in the Arctic, you know, for 5 minutes and, you know, try and. survive. Or you can, you know, the. benefits of of muscle mass for the brain. and we'll do a strength episode, so. climb a 200 m damn wall and and so it. was all these kind of, you know, pretty.

extreme um examples of of of. representing the science we were talking. about. Um [snorts] the second season I. had a bit more agency with and it was. great and I was less of a guinea pig and. I had a bit more of a sort of um. educated opinion around each topic. Um. but I wouldn't say I set out to do it. for I didn't know it was just sort of. came my way and sound like a fun thing. to do and. >> yeah it seems really interesting to go. through those moments and just to like. almost have a buffet of things you're. like I'm going to try these and see what.

it's like. What was your one of your. biggest takeaways from it like as a. practice for yourself? Um if there were. any or was there enough of an experience. there even to have a like or was it too. much of a production to take away? No, there was a lot it a profound effect on. me especially the second season and the. first season without me realizing what. was occurring like there was all the. obvious things about you know strength. training and and you know cognitive. health and um cold water hot exposure um. you know fasting and so on but the the.

episode I did with my dad called a road. trip to remember um was the most. profound one because he he was diagnosed. with Alzheimer's about four or five. years ago. go. >> and he was genetically predisposed to. it, right? Me and your mom. >> Yeah. And that's how we found out cuz I. I did my blood work on that on that show. and found out that I had two copies of. the APOE4 gene, which is you you get a. copy from your mom, copy from your dad, either a two or three. They both give. you a copy. >> They both gave me a copy, but they both. gave me the worst copy, which was the. four, which meant I was a four, which is.

like one in I think a thousand people. have. But they so I remember being with. my dad and telling him about it and. going, "Oh, I don't know if this is a. kind of a, you know, it's not a death. sentence. It's not a predeterministic. gene, but it's like a big warning sign.". And he said, "Oh, don't worry, mate. We'll figure it out.". >> Yeah. And how many times am I going to. have to tell him about it if he's. >> awesome? Well, but he didn't we didn't. know he was. And then 5 years later, >> oh, >> he got diagnosed. And I remember sitting. there telling him, "Don't worry, Dad. We'll figure it out." And and and so we.

went on this this journey, this um it's. called a road trip to remember. It's. this thing called reminiscence therapy. where you go back into your past, stimulate memories and um experiences to. stimulate the hippocampus, which is the. part of the brain that dementia is. attacking. >> Oh, dang. Your dad's Joe Biden. >> He's [laughter]. crazy, dude. >> He's u But um we're spending time with. him. It was kind of a it was kind of a. love letter to him. Um, and we, it's. not, you know, I was sort of hoping for. a silver bullet to fix it, but it became.

more about connection. It became more. about like the things I got to say to. him and ask him about his concerns and. fears around the disease I probably. wouldn't have asked him otherwise. And. so it it forced this kind of really. beautiful intimate um. series of conversations and um and gave. him some agency I think you know because. they begin to feel like you know they're. a patient or they're a burden you know. and and all of a sudden this was about. him. Um and it did I watched a shift and. and and the big one being social.

connection. The most important thing I. took away from all both of those seasons. was support group, friendships and. connection and and the people in blue. zones, you know, where people live over. a hundred or, you know, the most. centurions in in the population within. regions around the world, >> the commonality is is having a wonderful. sense of community and a wonderful. support network. Um, and then whether or. not they drank alcohol or smoked or. whatever, it was like it, you know, the.

the the lack of or the reduction in. stress due due to support networks and. friendships and. >> Wow. >> Well, yeah. They say that in recovery, too. I'm in a lot of recovery. communities and they say that connection. is the uh is the opposite of um of uh. addiction. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. That connection. It's like Yeah. I. mean, I was in a meeting this morning, like a Zoom meeting, and it's like, yeah, I'm sitting there just listening. to guys share what's going on with them. That's real. >> Yeah. >> And some of them say things that I I. I've always wanted to say and I didn't. know I could, but I couldn't make the. words and then they made the words for.

me. And so there's a part of me that. like starts to feel like, okay, that's. not a crazy pieces of a thought that. you've had. >> Yeah. >> That's a real thing and somebody else. just put it together for you. And um but. yeah, just being able to connect they. say is the opposite of addiction. Yeah. Bring that back up. The blue zones. I've. never heard of this. It's where the there's the most amount. of people who have. >> lived to be 100. >> Lived to be 100. Yeah. Um and I think. there's like Japan somewhere in Italy. >> Yeah. We got Okinawa, Japan.

>> Yeah. >> IA Greece, Sardinia, Italy, Nikicoa, and uh that's Costa Rica. >> Yeah. >> And Lomalinda. >> But hold on. There's none over by. Australia. You guys didn't get one? >> Yeah. I don't know if they they skipped. us. Probably because of the dangerous. species. >> The danger all the things that try and. kill us. Yeah. >> Or we're too busy backpacking to the. places. >> You guys are too busy over there making. people happy in those places. Probably. Blue zones are regions of the world. where people have unusually long and.

healthy lives. The many residents. reaching age 90 to 100 while staying. relatively free of major chronic. disease. Researchers use blue zone to. describe geographically limited areas. where rates of centinarians are far. higher than expected and older adults. remain active and independent. That's a. huge thing that they remain active and. independent. >> Well, work still working as well like. still having some form of purpose, >> right? Purpose is huge. We talk about. that all the time in here that if you. people lose their purpose then what do. we have? >> Do you ever read uh man's search for.

meaning Victor Frankle? >> Uh I have read that. >> That's you know the purposeful suffering. he calls it. watching people in um you. know when he was in the prison camp in. in Alswitch how cuz he was a a. psychoanalyst or a therapist and he went. in and people all under the same. horrific circumstances environment and. why some people's body was would give up. and others wouldn't and was often when. they found out that a loved one or. family had been killed or died they then. their spirit their soul their body gave.

up and so he he produced uh logootherapy. which is about sort of giving a purpose. behind whatever adversity you're facing. and and and giving a sense of meaning to. whatever the suffering is you're going. through. But. >> but again with the centurions people um. who. >> not not not retiring basically and that. doesn't mean work yourself in there's. difference between working yourself into. the into the grave but also you know the. work could be you have a garden to. maintain you you have a you know.

>> you have grandchildren to keep tabs on. You have a vac you have a trip to plan. you're helping with uh one of your. children's activities. Yeah, I think. that a lot with my own mom as she gets. older. It's like, you know, I want her. to be free of things if she doesn't want. to work. She likes to work. She like. delivers for Amazon and stuff. She just. loves it. She's like, you know, I'll. call her and she's like, "I'm just. sitting in the uh lot of or she'll. deliver for like Whole Foods, different. um just kind of chain places or. something." She's like, "I'm just. sitting here in the lot just waiting for. a uh for a route or whatever, you know.". And I just I just picture her in her.

van. She's just sitting there. She's 70s. something and she's just waiting to, you. know, deliver a catalytic converter to. some guy across town. >> Um, >> thank you for bringing this up. This is. so fascinating. I want to list off some. of these just so we can uh that people. know some of the things from these blue. zones. Um, despite very different. cultures, blue zones share several. recurring features. Natural movement, lots of walking, gardening, and manual. chores built into daily life. Uh, plant-based diet high in vegetables, beans, and whole grains. um strong.

social ties like we were talking about. uh multigenerational living so probably. having your family members around you. >> um Tara Schwart was in she's a. neuroscientist she's an author she's. she's fascinating lady and she was. saying that um the when you feel the. best a lot of people that feel the best. when you have the best feeling in a home. is when there's a lot of people in the. home. >> when there's just like multigenerations. like uh and those families often get the. best sleep because there's just like a. there's connectivity going on. Um, low.

chronic stress. Just a few more of these. blue zone uh common lifestyle patterns. Uh, a clear sense of purpose. >> Um, and generally optimistic engaged. attitudes in light regular alcohol or. none. In some places, people drink small. amounts of wine. Um, in other places, they avoid it entirely. Like in. Sardinia, Italy, they got a you'll see a. dang six-year-old out there drinking. Yeah. You know? >> Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. It's. just like a It's.

>> always like, "Oh, I'll have a Chardonnay. and some Peppa Pig." You know, it's. [laughter] like you'll see a 5-year-old. on his tablet ordering damn Cabernet. >> I know. It's like it's kind of all be. bad. >> Yeah. Well, I think this is just proof. that there's ways to do it, right? And. this that this is document. This is like. data that shows that there's ways to uh. to have a life that's the most. comfortable if you can. >> cuz it's sort of like it it's like the. sort of you know stress being the. biggest killer and you know the cause of. chronic disease and so on. The stress I.

find like the amount of stress involved. in the idea of achieving perfection or. doing things perfectly, you know, and I. get asked all the time about like, you. know, you must, you know, never eat. sugar or never drink alcohol or train. seven days a week and so on. >> And it's like I had periods where I've. gone into the extreme realm, but they're. not when I've been my happiest or my. healthiest, you know, >> like what do you do when a birthday cake. comes? >> Just smash it. I love a birthday cake. >> What are you supposed to be that weirdo? >> Yeah. No. What kind of life is that? There doesn't You're not going to enjoy. in all the sort of, you know, the the.

>> Yeah. What do you do when a freaking. like Yeah, cuz I'll do low sugar, you. know? I don't do no sugar really, but. sometimes if a birthday cake comes, dude, what are you going to be? >> Some guy just over there just, you know, just carving up a cucumber. >> Who am I? You know what I'm saying? Some. dude over there just sneaking a carrot. out of his pocket. [laughter]. >> Just a little prud in the corner. Just a. little bit of icing. >> And that's not creepier to the kids at. the people at the party. You're over. there. >> Tell me that guy's not stressed. He's. That's It's a huge amount of stress. involved than just smuggling that carrot. into the party and than having to.

explain it. >> Yeah. [laughter]. Yeah. Showing up at a kid's birthday. party with a couple carrots in your. pocket [laughter]. is way more stressful. And you're right, dude. How And there's a different stress. of being the person who's sneakily. eating crudate as you called it. Yeah. >> As other people are enjoying a birthday. cake. That is a different type of like. >> well what's so how many people do you. meet who are you know it's often with. your grandparents and they smoked. cigarettes and drank alcohol and you. know ate steak and eggs every day and.

they're living to you know 90 100 but. again just and again I'm not saying any. of that is the you know here's my top 10. tips to to live longer but there I think. that that was in a time when you did. have more family members in the house if. you just said like grandparents cousins. everyone lived in these sort of smaller. communities and we're also spread spread. out now. And I don't know about you, but. like the the in the last sort of 5 10. years worked really hard to bring my. family kind of closer and closer and we. all live in the same area for that.

reason because it's I think a lot of us. grew up or definitely through history we. grew up with bigger households with you. know shared responsibility and now you. have these little secular sort of you. know houses where you don't even know. your neighbors and grandparents live. somewhere else. It feels good when your. family's around in a we or you know what. >> there's layers to life then I think when. they're around like there's nothing. better than when you're feeling horrible. and sad about yourself to be able to. look across the room and look in one of. your parents' eyes and be like this is. your fault. >> Yeah. [laughter].

>> And you can't do that if you're at home. by yourself. >> You can't blame anyone if you're sitting. there looking in the mirror, you know, and then you're like your fault. That. doesn't work. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> And I think maybe we're going to be. getting back towards that and we may not. have a choice just because of like the. cost of living and things like that. Um, but my niece just moved in back in with. my sister. Like I don't know. And things. like that. I think it's kind of nice. Like there is something that's fun about. >> uh about not about feeling like a part. of something. Even if you're like kind. of a commodin about it like I live back. at home. But good for you. >> Good for you. Absolutely. Plenty of time.

to sort of live on your own. And. >> good for you. And to get to see your. stepdad's nuts hanging out of his. freaking [laughter] undershorts once a. year. You know that. >> once a year or once a week even. What a. joy. >> Yeah, dude. [laughter]. the [ __ ] Lord's mistletoe. That's the best, brother. Um, with your. father, how is he doing today? >> Um, he's good. He um it it look compared. to there are a couple other family. members and and and close by folks that. were going through or had the same.

diagnosis around the same time who were. in a sort of catatonic vegetable state. he's um you know he could sit here with. us and talk to us and he might not even. know you know and you spend enough time. and it's the shortterm memories and then. it's the wrong kind of stress that then. re is really evident you know um like. stress for him training in the gym and. so on and solving a cross word puzzle. great but like not finding his keys and. then you know losing things and then. beating himself up about it. >> oh yeah. >> then they'll watch his memory go really.

bad but um. >> wow so stress is such a big activator. Oh, it's huge. Yeah. He he he he he went. down. He rides motorbikes and used to. race motorbikes and um went down to put. some gas in the petrol tank and then it. wouldn't start. And so mom came, picked. him up, went back home, he got home, and. he said, "Yeah, I needed the key." And. she's like, "No, no, it just didn't. start." And you know, he got the spare. key, went back down, didn't start again. He's like, and he did that three times. through the day. By the time I was at. work, I got home and I went, I said, "Look, I'll just come pick him up, pick. the bike up." I put the bike on the back.

of the car and he was like, "All right, we're going to your place to get my car, aren't we?" And I said, "No, they were. taking your bike home." And he's like, "What bike?" And he had like twice in. this 10-minute drive turn around and see. the bike in the back of the truck. And. that was as strong as I've seen it. Um. and and as sort of confronting as as. it's been. But then the next day once. that problem had been solved, he was he. could sort of there was a calm and and. it was better. But um he's doing good, man. I I I still.

>> What's his name? >> Yeah, Craig. >> Hey, Craig. >> Yeah. >> What's up, Craig? >> Yeah. >> Cheers from uh the US, mate. >> Yeah, he's he's he's a he's a legend. >> Good day, sir. And what was his what's. his what's his trade been his life? >> He was uh a cattleman. >> Well, no, he worked for he worked in. child protection for most of his career. And then we went when we went to. Northern Territory and he mustered. cattle. He was um that was just for just. a window, you know, trying something. different. Trying something different. had family up there who were doing it. and uh and it's we in the documentary we.

end up back in the Aboriginal community. we lived in and the uh the couple of the. guys they called him this he's a Chuck. Norris looking [ __ ] because he. had this long ponytail and he would like. you know. >> oh yeah. >> pull cattle down by the tail and tie him. up and. >> I love a male Rapunzel [laughter] male. Rapunzel. >> there's nothing I love more brother. >> oh that's beautiful dude and child. protection what exactly is that. >> yeah he would um. your children who have, you know, neglect, family violence, abuse, go into.

the home and uh and basically have to, you know, assess the situation, present. evidence to a court, talk to the police. department and work out um, you know, what should happen and should is this. child in a safe position or not? and. huge responsibility and and and you know. I watched the toll that took on him over. the years when he just couldn't there. were certain things he he wasn't able to. fix you know and it was and you do one.

so solve one thing and feel like you. were you know had momentum and then the. next day there's you know a big pile of. other cases on the desk and so um but. very much in service to others and and. has always been fiercely protective of. of kids as this sort. angelic sort of quality to to his um. >> we'll hire him. >> integrity. He's he's ready and willing. >> Look, I I bet we could get him 30% of. the vote right now in America [laughter]. to be our next president. >> If we have somebody that's protective of. children here,

>> we'll take it, man. >> Um and thank you for your service, Craig. I think that stuff like that is. so important. You know, thinking about. um the well-being of children, I think. there's nothing that's more. >> uh it's like the purest thing that. exists in the world. >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> And um so thank you for your service. We. appreciate that. >> Um. >> they just had a ban for social media, was it? Or cell phones in Australia. >> Yeah, I think we're the first country in. the world that that has had uh kids from. 16 and under. >> Yeah, Australia has banned social media.

for kids under 16. How does it work? Under 16s in Australia have been banned. from using major social media services. including Tik Tok, X, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, and. Threads. Threads sucks. They cannot set. up new accounts and their existing. profiles were deactivated. Wow. I wonder. if they all had like a D-Day when they. were all like gathered around a fire. >> That's the thing. Are they all now like. re-entering different ages or or is I. mean I don't know to what. >> I mean I think it's a fantastic thing. and and. >> the idea of it seems perfect. >> Yeah. And and its execution. And I hope.

there's um you know it it it there's. there's a positive sort of navigation. through it cuz I'm sure you know my kids. I change a passcode in the phone or. whatever and they figure out [ __ ] and. you know seconds. They're like little. little genius hackers with all of it. But we try and keep them off it as much. as possible. But um. >> yeah, but also your passcode is often. like handsome guy 4,000. >> That's it. So it's the obvious one, you. know. >> So [laughter]. exceptionally gorge male seven. >> I know. Lucky. you're special, too. Uh. >> um yeah, they I mean I this I hopefully.

this takes off around the world. I I. don't know. >> I'm going to see what this says here. Australia's government said the ban. would reduce the negative impact of. social media's design features that. encourage young people to spend more. time on screens while also serving up. content that can harm their health and. wellbeing. I don't know any human that. would disagree with that. Yeah. A study. it commissioned in 2025 found that 96%. of children ages 10 to 15 use social. media and that seven out of 10 of them. had been exposed to harmful content. This include misogynistic and violent. material. Yeah. As well as content.

promoting eating disorders and suicide. Um, >> yeah. I'm curious what uh Yeah. Can you. look up on, and this is perplexity that. we use to look things up? >> Large studies of more than a 100,000. young adults find that each year of. smartphone ownership before age 13 is. associated with higher rates of. depression like symptoms, suicidal. thoughts, aggression, and detachment. Detachment for sure. I mean, and to feel. detached when you're already like in a. place where you're growing and it's it's. like your footing is uncertain. Girls.

show particularly big drops in emotional. resilience and self-esteem. >> Um, cyber bullying and harassment. Phones and apps mean bullying can follow. kids home which raises risks of. depression, anxiety, and self harm. Uh, >> sleep disruption, big one. >> Yeah, sleep disruption and body image in. comparison, man. Well, cheers to you guys for like. leading the charge there. I think Spain. just followed suit. Is that right? >> Oh, really? It's where my wife's from. >> Oh, is it? Yeah. Madrid.

>> Spanish lady, huh? >> Yep. Yep. Fiery. >> Fiery is your wife's name. >> Fiery. No, I said fiery. Fiery energy. >> Elsa is her name. Yeah. >> Elsa, like the movie. >> Yeah. Frozen. [laughter]. >> As of February 26, Spain has announced. to ban social media access for children. under 16. I don't know if we would ever. do it here because I think we look at. our children more as um. okay to be victims of marketing and. capitalism whereas in other countries.

they maybe they don't. You know, I'm. glad that Australia is doing this. Do. you feel like uh it would take some. getting used to? There will be this. group that has to be the one that loses. it. >> and then there will have to be the. younger siblings of them that are like, "Oh, I wish we had it." But if you could. get it to go for like a generation, I. think it would it would really play into. something beautiful. >> 100%. It's It's even like, you know, we. were probably. I don't know like the I remember when. the phone first came on like how old are. you? >> I'm 45. >> 45. So. >> I'm going to die soon.

>> We we [laughter]. we all are. We we were kind of the uh. the guinea pigs for it in a way, you. know, like I remember getting a phone. and wasn't social media. Yeah. Just and. all of it. And then you look at and so. you but we had enough awareness of what. came before like coming up now and only. knowing that that's that that exists and. every time I try and tell my kids like. the science around it they're like a. shut up you know and there's there's. just no there's no um comparison for. them you know whereas. >> and that's we knew the comparison we.

knew the comparison we knew the. possibility. >> we're still doing it and we still end up. depressed and you know I don't know. about you but. >> oh dude I noticed I've been off of Tik. Tok for a while. >> and I'm feeling better. and the. >> I've always thought there should be a. legal recourse against an algorithm. because you're creating. >> a system like a a vitrol for me to then. go and now it's just my responsibility. like I'm 9 minutes on I hate a group and. now I'm just back out into the world. >> But also what that algorithm is created.

off a question. It's not created off a. an opinion. It's I might have curiosity. or ask a question about. >> this particular thing and it goes oh. that that's it and now you're on that. down that lane and that that's the. danger is it's it's making up your. conclusion you know is it giving you the. definitive sort of this is how you now. should vote or this is why you should be. opinionated or this is who you should. like or dislike based upon human. curiosity. You know, you like you might. not be, you know, one political party.

supporter, but you're having a look at. it. Next minute, that's all you're. seeing and you're fully on board. >> It takes you from curious to conviction. It t and it takes you there. You're. right. In the beginning, I was like, "Oh, I'm curious about this." But then. suddenly your four your next seven. videos are about it and you're like, "Now I have some sort of a conviction. [clears throat]. >> Complete biased opinion about it." Yeah. >> And they can even serve. It's almost. like like here's the next stair step. Here's the next stair step. Like they. can do, you know, >> you're right though. should be like at. at bare minimum they're not allowed to. create an algorithm that encourages one.

thing. It should be you have to continue. to put that search in the search engine. as opposed to it going this is all we're. feeding you now cuz it's all. perspective. It's it's it's like your. version of you know one thing or my. version of that is all around what I've. been exposed to. There's no kind of. right and wrong in it. It's like. whatever education that I've been fed. via this [ __ ] machine in my hand you. know. >> and on X they have people killing each. other. That's insane. No, my it's over. My kids were talking about certain, you. know, horrific events and so on. I was. like, "Where the hell did you say that?". And and it's it's there's nothing to.

stop it, you know? >> Oh, dude. Well, the craziest part is the. other night I wake up. I'm I for some. reason I'm like, >> you know, I'm obviously lonesome or. whatever, but so I'm like on X or. whatever. It's like 3:15 in the morning. I don't even know why I'm on there. >> I see two people get shot outside of a. Wendy's, right? And they don't even show. you if people if EMTs come. They don't. show you that part. No, >> it's just two people shot outside of a. Wendy's, right? And then the next thing. is an advertisement for Wendy's. >> That's it. >> And I'm like, now I'm hungry. I don't.

even care about the It's like I've. forgotten. >> Oh, it's [ __ ] It's insane. >> And I'm like, well, do I need two bags. of platelets and an EMT or a Baconator? >> Yeah. The complete sort of. desensitization to something and then. the immediately sort of bait and hooked. into the product being sold is like. >> and that you get taken from something. that's so serious. >> into something that's so trivial that. it's like it starts to like deteriorate. the part of you that takes something. very serious serious, you know? >> Yeah. For sure. Yeah. >> And for these kids now you got to walk.

over there and look this girl in the. eyes. >> Yeah. and see that she might not be. interested in you, which is the genre. that we grew up in. Brother, >> if you want to call somebody fat, you. got to walk across town. You got to say. it to them and then you got to see. [clears throat] their big fat fist come. and hit you right in your smug face. >> Yeah. No, there's no accountability. That's the other thing. It's like the. amount of like smart alec sarcastic sort. of, you know, sentiment and tone I hear. from sort of my kids and their mates. based upon the lack of consequence. It's.

like you said that [ __ ] in high school. or school and you you felt it. immediately. You went well a lesson to. note to yourself. Don't say that again. Whereas now now you're like plugging all. sorts of things on on your comment. boards or you're commenting on what. other people have done with, you know, very little if any um consequence or. >> any repercussion. Let me see what this. says. Instagram rolls out algorithm. control option to all English speaking. users. Oh wow. After launching it in. early testing with a limited number of. users in October last year, Instagram. has today announced that all. English-speaking users globally will now.

be able to access its your algorithm. manual control option giving you another. way to define your reels experience. I. thought it already did that though cuz I. remember meeting someone who said this. is like eight years ago said no no no. like you know when you we've you know. you've said you know you've talked about. you know puppy dogs for a while and then. all of a sudden puppy dogs are all over. your real like and they said no no no. they're they're listening to individual. words and I was like the individual. words [ __ ] it's [ __ ] the entire. sentence but. >> and and now there seems to be a sort of. >> oh that's an option but I'm pretty sure.

it's been planted from. >> this has always been an option and it's. never been effective. Yeah, >> as you can see in this overview, you can. access the your algorithm controls by. tapping on the top right. What does it. do though? >> So, I've been using it and I changed my. feed completely. I put on like editing. tutorials, film lighting, and like my. feed is like all educational now. It's. helped a lot. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. And I I think more people should know. about it. >> because Yeah. I think sometimes my fear. is that I'm trapped in this algorithm of.

times that maybe weren't my best self or. like times where I just or or just what. they fed you. >> Yeah, for sure. >> You know, and you get fed brazers and. this and that. >> And it's all targets big response, you. know, big it triggers big emotions. It's. all outrage mostly, >> right? It's like dopamine or [ __ ]. what what's going to piss you off? >> Testosterone, you know? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So Nick, you feel like it has been. effective? >> 100%. And then but if I do see something. I'm like I don't want that. Then you. just do see like the three dots and see.

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Um I saw Crime101. >> Oh, cool. >> Yeah, dude. It's a heist movie, right? Safe to say. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a. character-driven crime thriller. um. somewhat of a sort of homage to the '7s, '8s, '90s, even early 2000s like heist. films that I feel like we used to see a. lot more of and and uh we just don't. tend to make any as much so much now. where where the there's insane action. and car chases and intensity, but that's. matched by the intensity or there's a.

momentum and continuity with the. emotional intimate scenes as well. And. um and it was one of the best things I'd. read in years. Um it it it it it it. certainly wasn't the types of scripts I. was being sent and I had an interest in. doing something very different and um. this came along and it was up there with. my top sort of two three films I've. done. Yeah. That I've been a part of. Yeah. >> Was it like the personal challenge? I. mean your character is kind of this um. he's a uh kind of a he's a bad guy.

that's questioning what's going on with. himself. >> For sure. Yeah. Like all of like so Mark. Ruffalo plays a detective. I play a. jewelry thief. Helib Berry um is an. insurance broker. Uh and basically all. at sort of a crossroads in their on in. their life um around you know the the. Mark's character's facing police. corruption and and if he speaks up he'll. be sent one way and if he follows suit. he'll he'll get a promotion. And Hal. Berry is facing you know agism and feels.

like she's being passed over. And my guy. is is in that same sort of that moral. ambiguity and that sort of gray space of. you know justifying his criminal. criminality. Um we show the audience and. present the you know that he has um come. from mega means difficult times in and. out of foster homes. And again, not to. excuse any of what he does, but it. raises, I think, the the question of how. one got to that point, but he does live.

by very strict code, his um the sort of. nonviolent, you know, violence. throughout his uh his robberies. But. he's at a point where he's seeking. personal freedom and an escape from this. world and is presented with this one. final sort of heist, which is could be. the exit. And it's each character sort. of on a collision course for one another. and all all sort of interweaved this. pretty. >> pretty uh I found pretty sort of. fascinating sort of crescendo and and. finale. But he um he's a good guy. You. know he's he's wrestling with I think.

not having you know in my sort of. backstory with it not having strong. paternal figures or parental figures. that that were of um you know held. integrity or maturity for him to look to. and and and to be I guess modeled. behavior by. So, you know, like a lot of. guys that we were speaking to and. researched guys in that in the criminal. world came from broken homes and you. seek connection and brotherhood and. safety and kind of all the wrong places. and and um it's why a lot of guys end up.

in gangs there sort of, you know, there's family there that they. connection. >> Yeah. And then it's also they're pushing. back against a system that in their eyes. gave them nothing. So, it's like well. screw you. I'm going to, you know, what. did what did the insurance companies or. the banks or the, you know, the the the. high-end jewelry fashion um entities. ever give me? And so, again, none of. this is a my justification for the life. of crime, but I think that the script. does a great job at presenting deeper.

further layers and a deeper sort of um. presentation about just people, you. know, and the human. >> I agree with that. I think that Yeah, one thing I noticed about it is there's. a bit more of the story element. there's. a bit more of like you have the action, you have this sort of um you know uh you. have this like a little bit of like I. don't know if it's like Fast and the. Furious meets sort of um like jewel. thievery you know sort of like you have. this high energy but you have a you have. some sincere storylines about what's. going on with these people and uh and.

just how people get into positions maybe. that they didn't even want to be in but. there they are and how do we still view. them as people and then how do they. >> then oper operate to the best of their. ability even in not even the best. circumstance. >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> Does that make any sense or not? >> No, it did. For sure. It should have. been the tag. >> That's the most sense I've made in a. while. >> I've been impressed for three weeks and. I wish I heard that that quote. Okay. [laughter]. >> It's been far more succinct than the uh. >> the past year I haven't been able to get. something out. It's been tough, man. >> No, it's true. And it does it sort of uh.

I think when it like it doesn't spoon. feed or jam down the audience's throat. the answers and conclusions for things. It it offers up ideas. And again, in in. the moral ambiguity space of right and. wrong, it's like not it's nothing's. black and white. And we love to sort of. categorize things. It's easiest for us. to understand. But when you kind of get. an insight into someone's life, into. their backstory, you go, "A [ __ ] if I. was faced with that or I'd come from. that, would I make this decision? And if. I had an opportunity that was, you know,

lawfully wrong or immoral on one hand, well, could I justify it through this. lens? and if it was going to pull me. into personal freedom and escape this. shitty position, I mean, would I do it? And then so you're asking those. questions as as you're along for the. ride, hopefully. And and um I and I find. that the kind of the beauty of film. making and storytelling is when you're. not when you're when you're given as a. choose your own adventure sort of. internal process that can that can occur. with what your assumptions are, but also.

not um not being so quick to judge, you. know? >> Yeah. Because there's moments you're. like, "Oh, this guy's scared." Like your. character where he's like, "Oh, he's. kind of he's scary. You know, he's. dangerous. He doesn't care if people. die." But then you see, well, he has. kind of a code of his own and how he. operates within this space. >> Um, you know, what he thinks of love, what he thinks is possible for him. Um, yeah, it just had a deeper layer than. just like sort of a smash him, grab them. like kind of like heist movie. >> Yeah, that was the goal. It had a little.

bit of a James Bondesque in the sense of. like, you know, some of the chase scenes. and stuff like that reminded me of some. of that energy. >> Yeah, for sure. >> And uh just some of the music that went. with it. There were certain moments. where it gave me some of that energy. kind of. >> You see Heat or um the Michael Man and. Collateral, it was kind of like. >> those types of films were a big a big. sort of comp where the the action it was. the real a realism and a grit and. authenticity to it, but um you had. complex emotional sort of characters. along the way as well. So, >> you ever you ever steal anything good.

when you were young? You guys ever. >> steal anything? Uh, >> you blow dart a walabe and sneak over. there and run it out of somebody's yard. Did he say? >> Yeah. Just put him down. You think one. dart would take a walabby down or not? >> Um, it depends what kind of tran is in. that dart. You mean like a like a like a. tranquilizing dart or. >> something? Yeah, >> a dart board dart. >> Oh, trucking tran. Yeah. >> Uh, yeah. They go down. They're the. little walabies are tiny. The big. kangaroos. I don't know. >> Oh, dude. Not some of the ones I seen.

over there. >> Whatever. We went to that place outside. of Melbourne. >> Uh, >> that was a big kangaroo pock. >> Yeah. >> Uh, maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was. outside of um. >> No, there's a there's a lot. There's. There's um. >> Bro, we saw the one that's jacked. We. saw the Nate Diaz one. [laughter]. >> You see that video of the guy punching. on with the kangaroo? >> No. No. >> You didn't see that? Uh the guy the. walabe comes up to get his dog and he. literally. >> shapes up throws a left and a right and. pop bang cuz it's trying I think the.

walabee is trying to attack his dog or. it's got his dog in a headlock or. something. Um [snorts] but [laughter]. >> yeah dude we saw the one we were afraid. to move dude I was waiting for like. Keith Peterson to step in. I was waiting. for a UFC referee to come in and say to. your neutral corners you know I was. waiting for Mark Goddard. >> I mean I don't know what this guy's This. is This is Look at this guy. That Luke. Bryan. [laughter]. >> He's got the dog in a headlock. Watch this. Ready? Ready? Jab.

[laughter]. >> The kangaroo is like, "What the [ __ ]. >> is that?" Luke Brian. [laughter]. >> Oh, that's beautiful. >> That is beautiful, dude. [laughter]. >> I mean, >> that dog should have been able to get. free, though. That's a big dog. >> Oh, they're pretty strong, these things. And they got little little talons. They. got big big old claws on them. >> Oh, dude. The ones we saw, the ones that. were very scary, but I had such a great. time, man, in your car. >> How long were you there for? >> We were there for probably two weeks.

Dude, one of my favorite times was like. um we got some uh just some ebikes and. we went during the day. We would go up. and down the Gold Coast on the you could. you could bike on the sand like. basically in the water if you want and. there would be nobody out there all day. >> and we would just dude it was like it. almost felt like we're in another. planet, man. And then um I got to meet. Chris. Chris Lily came out. >> Oh yeah. >> When I was in uh Did. >> you ever see his shows back in the day? >> Oh yeah. >> [ __ ] hilarious. >> Stop looking at me dick, mom. [laughter]. >> That's my dick, Dad.

>> Man, he What? He He did that. >> That's my dick. >> Yeah. Stop touching my dick. Don't touch. my dick. >> Stop touching my dick. >> [ __ ] you, Dad. What did you say? I said, "Fuck you." I said, "Fuck you.". >> Yeah. It's a picture of my dick. [laughter]. >> Yeah. It would always be his dick. He'd. always. >> Jonah. That's his name. Jonah, >> bro. And what a legend, dude. To get to. meet him. literally felt like you were. meeting something like a rare bird that. showed up on a branch to talk with you. for a little bit. >> I uh I remember crossing paths with him. when I when I first started acting and.

cross Yeah. as in like he was a mate of. mate of mine and and crossing paths and. and just being he was just a what he. kind of came up with was like I want to. say kind of back when the office was. first coming out but that mockumentary. style but he played like seven or eight. different characters and um. >> yeah talented dude. >> Oh dude Mr. G dude the musical. >> musical drug. Yeah, a lot of it like. kind of got. >> bad habit for drugs, dude. [laughter] So. good. >> Oh my god, >> dude. The fact that we can. >> cheese room. Cheese room. Welcome to Mr.

Cheese Room. >> And still laugh right now is. >> Oh, mate. >> That is good stuff. >> Yeah, [clears throat] that was like pre. kind of like I think a lot of it was is. is you know isn't acceptable now. He he. wouldn't be able to make any of it now. But like. >> that was before anything and it was. >> I'd make it with him in a heartbeat. Dude, if he. >> give him a call. I'm sure he's looking. to make. >> people now would make it easy cuz you. could put it out yourselves. It's like. you could do it yourself and put it out. >> I think just in the sort of cancel space.

culture he kind of got. >> I think he felt that more than it was. very real. Really? Oh, I think so. I. think the reality of people. >> like I think like even like people like. I think he was like I don't know if he. was if people thought he was making fun. of Aboriginal culture or Tongan culture. what it was. >> Polynesian dude those people. >> I mean I I it depends who who you spoke. to like I had Polynesian buddies who. like loved him and then other guys that. were like. >> nah it's not cool bro. >> and um but I yeah it's. >> what's not cool me dick [laughter] you.

know but yeah I feel you dude it was. crazy bro. >> I love the way you've seen all that dude. And he would do the break dancing, bro. >> Oh my god. And what was Jermaine? Jermaine the uh. >> Oh yeah. [laughter]. >> Oh my god. He's a year seven. >> So good, dude. [laughter]. >> Oh [ __ ]. >> Oh, God bless him, brother. >> Go watch that. We. >> for existing. If you've never seen. Summer High Tai, >> Summer High Tai, >> you can't find it anywhere except for on. YouTube. >> Yeah,

>> I think on some like a distant channel, but it's out there. Um, are there things. where you want to. like [snorts]. when you're relating with your dad, are. there things you want to make sure that. he knows now? Like is the responsibility. that you feel as a child that it's like, okay, how do I make sure he's okay? >> Yeah. >> Like is it does that make any sense? >> Yeah. And I think from having kids as. well. >> and even for other people that are. experiencing this, like since you've had. experience with it, like if you could. just maybe share a little bit of that. So, so when I um had the premiere in in.

uh back in Australia, I had someone come. up to me afterward. >> for Crime 101. >> No, sorry, for for the documentary with. my dad, the Okay, for a road road trip. to remember. >> Say it again for. >> a road trip to remember. >> Got it. >> And he um someone come up to me and and. he said, "I was diagnosed around the. same time your dad was, and I wish my. kids could see this because no one asks. me how I am or what I'm what I'm afraid. of or what what I'm experiencing because. people are nervous. They don't know how. to discuss it. So they dance around it. and pretend it's not happening. And he.

goes, "So you suffer in silence." And. the biggest thing I think that has. helped that my dad has responded to. And. I'm thankful for having gotten to this. place is asking him how he's feeling. about it, you know, because it's, you. know, you talk to your parents about. this stuff and then your parents pass. away and then who do you talk to? And it. hit me that God, he doesn't have his dad. to go and have these hard conversations. or these these vulnerable moments with. or his mom anymore. and um so trying to. give him that give him that space but.

also I he I know there's a I remember 15. years ago. that transition of when him realizing he. wasn't the authority and we knew we as. we as you know young men now working and. knew more about things and weren't. seeking his advice as much. I remember. seeing that on his face and that. >> and it not registering enough for me to. do anything about it but kind of being. aware that like the changing of the. guard was occurring and so I go to him. now and um and I'll ask him things that.

I may know the answer to, you know, or. or just so he feels like there is still. agency and and he has autonomy and and. they they want to see Thank you. Um they. want to feel like they still matter and. they have purpose, you know. >> That's a good point. You don't think. about that that when that change in the. guard happens that there's a there's a. value loss or potential like. hypothesized value loss for the parent. >> Oh, for sure. And and I even my kids, my. daughter's 13, my boys are 11 and I'm. already feeling that like, oh, I'm not.

cool and I'm not necessarily who they. look to and and it's like, you know, and. they're young, but. >> yeah, they're watching Andrew Tate or. whatever. Yeah, they're watching all. sorts of [ __ ] and have other role. models. But but it's like I think you. know and then I'm 42, you know, but I. can't imagine in the ' 60s '7s when that. that gap becomes, you know, far greater. and especially facing, you know, having. dementia and realizing your memories are. being stripped away and that. vulnerability that just making sure they. still feel like that the that they are.

of purpose and that they have an opinion. and the opinion matters. And so yeah, if. anyone's going through it, that would be. my advice is check in with them. Ask. them how they're feeling. Ask them what. they're afraid of. >> cuz no one asks. >> That's such a great question. What are. you afraid of? Yeah. And I could just. Yeah, it's easy to say, hey, how are. you? >> But that's not the same thing. >> And that won't bring out the answer. Like I asked him on the show and he. went, I just don't want to be a burden. >> And it was like, oh [ __ ] And I had no. idea that he'd felt that. you know, thought it was going to be about the. kind of, you know, losing, you know,

control of this and that and the other. and but it was like he he was more. concerned with what it was going to do. to the the, you know, the group. Um, >> yeah, that's what my mom says sometimes. I don't want to be any burden. >> Yeah. >> And it makes me think like, oh yeah, like. I don't know. And in some ways, I've. always wanted my mom to be like a. burden. like I don't know like the. inverse of a burden kind of whatever. that is like a positive burden. >> or just like. >> a beautiful responsibility or it can. yeah but like. >> but for that to say yeah I don't want to.

be a burden. Do you find that it gives. you purpose though you know like it's. like h having this time with him as kind. of confronting as it's been has also. given me a greater sense of like what. matters and and also it's like the roles. do transfer and at certain point as an. adult you got to realize oh I now need. to take care of them right. >> and you know and especially men I don't. know but in Australia there's a real. like you know um avoidance around that.

sort of vulnerability or the or the sort. of admittance to I may be afraid of. something or I need a hand. And so. offering that up rather than having to. get them to come to you and say, "Please. check in with me.". >> That's a huge thing. Yeah. What are you. afraid of? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because that's really what I want. to know probably. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The other day I was think like I I. messaged my mom and I was like, "Hey, mom, is there anything that you need? Is. there any like trip that you've always. wanted to take? Is there anything cuz. you know now I have some finances where.

I could help do something you know or if. she wants to do something you know and. uh or is there anything that you know. yeah is there anything that you want you. know and she's like nothing that I can. think of you know whereas you always. think that it's like oh I'm going to get. these like I'll have the ability to do. this thing and that'll make it perfect. but it's like. >> that's not real. I always thought I like. I would buy my mom things and jewelry. and she was like it's lovely but like I. want your time you know I mean just. yesterday she was like can I schedule in. one of your meetings to just get 15. minutes just with you and I was like oh.

and she goes well I'm sort of half. joking but serious and and you forget. like yes when you get busy like it's. like yeah I'll get to that I'll get to. that and and all these other. >> you can put off on one of your other. good-looking brothers you know. >> yes [laughter]. >> like that's got to be nice like look. talk to the other good Brother, you. know, dude, [laughter] I bet you didn't. even have wallpaper in them. It was just. mirrors everywhere. >> [ __ ]. >> Just mirrors were so excited. Like, he's. coming. He's coming. Sorry, dude. This. is seeming a little bit, [laughter].

dude. >> Whatever, bro. Pull me a Fosters. >> You ever drink Fosters? >> I think I have. Yeah, it's the big can. I like drink This is what I would do, though. I would drink it with two hands. And I think. >> that a big old like extra-l large absurd. can for a while. Oh, it reminded me of. um. >> the beer of. >> of Shawn and Marley. You ever seen Shawn. and Marley? >> No. >> Oh, bro. Bring them up. They're Aussies, man. >> Sean and Marley. They're [clears throat]. >> the best. Yeah. >> Get down with Shawn and Marley. Put me. on there. >> Show me on.

>> You never seen these guys, dude. These. guys are the best. Chris, if you Bro, >> next time you're home, this is one of. the best times I ever had in my whole. life. >> Did you do this in Australia or here? >> Yeah, in a in Australia. >> How you going? Okay. All right. Can hug. it. >> Yeah, >> dude. They do. They're chefs. >> Okay. Come here. >> I've never seen these guys. >> Thank you, boys. Thank you for welcoming. me here. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I'm very happy to be here.

>> I would say this very fun. He come to. Australia and come see me and Sean. >> from USA. >> USA. >> You've been to Have you been to America? I can't remember. >> Yeah, I can't remember. >> And look, it's [clears throat] becoming. unmemorable. I'll tell you that. Get to. the part with the beer, though. We made. beer chicken, right? So, these guys do. recipes, bro. If you ever like. >> I'm not saying But this would be an easy. thing for you to go and do a um. >> a little show with a little cooking.

>> And bro, they live at they live they. don't live together. One of them has. Down syndrome. One I don't think one of. them does, but um one of them is just. Korean or whatever. >> Mates or Yeah. >> Yeah. They're just mates, but they've. been friends for a long time. We made. beer chicken, right? >> Yeah. Was it? >> Oh, dude. Yeah, it was good. >> But uh Marley took the beer right out. the hot beer and just drank it straight. out of the oven. >> Freaking legend. >> Chicken juice and uh scalding. temperature. >> Look at that. That That can is probably.

200°, bro. [laughter]. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Your receptus is off, baby. You got to. come up a little bit, >> bro. He's [laughter] right that [ __ ]. right out of that thing, bro. But dude, the families are so sweet that and they. invited us over to their home. >> and they made like up there there's a. piece of art up above like on the mantel. up there on the right. >> Yeah. >> Right there. They made like a rat for. like the rat king. Like they've did like. special things to make it just for me. Um but their families are there, dude. And it's like the best and they have the. best time.

>> But bro, just to even um. >> you would It was honestly I think it was. the best part of my trip besides um. >> getting to perform the shows. >> Yeah. But that's right outside of. Sydney, I believe. >> Yeah. He's got a rabbit top on, which is. uh Russell Crow's rugby team, which is a. Sydney. >> Oh, yeah. >> Sydney team. Yeah. The that that that. Green and. the Heroes in cuz they'll go to a lot of. the games and stuff like that. But Sean. and Marley are the best, bro. Check them out. >> And I think they still do the show all. the time, so that'd be pretty cool to go.

see it. um whenever you get into spaces. where you're like, you know, we were. talking earlier about um like kind of. regrouping and getting a new look at. things and like you know, having some. moments of self-evaluation and. reflection and seeing if like my old. dreams are still my current dreams and. where have they gotten me and and what. do I do now and enjoying kind of the. freedom of um not knowing or not being. sure exactly where I'm at in my journey. Um, what are there practices that you go. to to help you gain a little bit more.

clarity there? Like could it be. something like just spending time with. certain people or meditation? Like are. there some practices that you use? >> Yeah, it for me um I'm not great at like. traditional seated meditation. I could. benefit from it if I was to sort of. force myself to do it, but I prefer um. physical movement like like training. You know, surfing for me is an obvious. one. It is a complete um I've done that. since I was, you know, 10 years old. And. >> if I spend too long out of the ocean, my.

whole sort of, you know, being starts to. suffer in one way or the other. And not. just vitamin D, but the sort of I don't. know the sort of magnetic pull the ocean. has to me. But the that's that's my true. happy place. Um so yeah, I spend a lot. of dang lot of lot of time surfing. >> You're comfortable enough on a surfboard. to make a gang sign, dude? That. [laughter] is. >> that's actually a wave pool that's in. Abu Dhabi in the mechanical manway wave. Yeah. >> Um. >> um have you been to Pipe? Uh. >> yeah,

>> dude. I just went like two weeks ago. I. >> I went 15 years ago once. It's cool, huh, >> bro? It was so cool. >> Awesome. Would you. >> I didn't know they had the Lexus uh. pipeline competition was going on. >> Oh, yeah. You're right. Of course. >> And so I big. >> event each day when I went it had been. cancelled for the day because the. conditions weren't perfect. But that's. one thing that's so amazing about it and. makes it so unique about these surf. competitions is that it can only happen. if the water is right. Yeah. >> So it was like it was almost this little. mecca that we'd make each day cuz it was.

about an hour from where I was staying. which was silly. I should have just. stayed up in the Northshore. But um I. get there and and we and they were like. yeah it's canceled for the day. But it. was just like even seeing that and. seeing like oh this is a real thing. like so many people come out and like. and they all the surfers stay are in. this place and like it gave me a whole. different appreciation for it. >> Yeah. Especially Pipe. I mean that that. that event is they wait for it to be big. and intense and and beautiful and and. and if it's not going to hit those, you. know, that that uh if it's not going to.

live up to that, they don't run the. competition until it does. And so you're. often in for a pretty epic um week of. competition. But uh that place is talk. about like the power of the ocean and. different regions you know that you'll. have a a 6ft wave there which feels like. [ __ ] 20 foot compared to what a 6ft. wave would be at a beach break somewhere. else and and this the way the ocean. comes from big deep water and just hits. big slabs of of reef is pretty pretty. mind-blowing and all inspiring and.

special man it's it's. >> just you feel the power of it all. >> Yeah. Do you sur you ever surfed? I. surfed I used to live in Charleston, South Carolina. I would surf out there. some. >> So I could do it but I would need to go. focus on it. Yeah. >> I think it just like recently what I've. been thinking is man I just want to like. and it's like I could do it but it's. like um. >> you know podcasting it's a lot of. attention you know you're like going for. the next week. It's like having a show. every week. Yeah. >> And so uh you're preparing and sometimes. we do two a week now because there's so.

many different people to talk with. >> Yeah. >> And so uh. >> this is another skill you've got to. learn. It's another It's It's a lot of. hours. >> Yes. And it's it's it's hard to like. feel like. >> I'm always like um all right. It's I got. to make sure this next one is okay. >> I'm never at a place where I feel like. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like I need to give myself a. little more space and grace and just be. like, >> okay, if you do go for a week or two, go. do some things that you also want to. enjoy. You know, I do think. >> you find it hard to switch off. What do.

you mean when you when you have. >> Yes, I do find it hard to switch off, but I also find it like, >> you know, like take some time and go do. these these things. And I'm not. complaining. I know I can do it. I think. it's just like it's like we're talking. about earlier like having that space in. your life. Yeah. >> Letting the uncertain have a little bit. more room to walk around, you know? >> Yeah. Yeah. The observation, the. stepping back. It's like. >> Yeah. Like what will I see if I were to. go have some new experiences like, you. know, and and and then what will I learn. when I'm a little separate? and just. being like that is as much of the value.

as being sitting here looking under the. microscope is standing out of the room. and um and not even being in the. laboratory, you know, and just like. having some of that energy. So, I'm not. complaining. I know I can do it, but. it's just like um that's some of it. probably is a fear. >> Yeah. you know, >> no, it's it's hard to get off the the. train of when there's momentum with. anything, you know, especially if you've. been shocked by the handbreing of when. it doesn't work out or things are kind. of static and you're sitting there. going, "Shit, finally or I was had that. type of energy and and so to sort of.

willingly by your choice step off is is. there it it there's a risk to that, but. also it is kind of scary because it's. like there's a safety net and just. carrying on as as exhausting and maybe. detrimental it could be because you're. missing other things. It's like the uh. there's a risk involved. But again, I'm. sure with you, you found the same thing. in life. When you've stepped outside of. the bubble, >> the bigger lessons are learned, the. bigger sort of experiences occur. And um. >> I think I came from that place where. that was the thing I love the most.

>> Yeah. >> You know, but it's okay. It's all. interesting. And I think that's why like. even just having time like this today to. think about this. It's like, yeah, we've. been talking, we've been podcasting, but. it's like I think this is a conversation. that I just needed to hear, you know? Oh, cool. Me, too. I mean, I it's it's. like I said at the start of none of it. I've figured out. It's like I just find. keep continually sort of asking and. exploring and then hopefully not being. too bogged down in having to come come. up with the outcome or the definitive. certainty of it. It's just staying. curious. Um I feel like is the is the.

more fulfilling place to be in, you. know. >> Um you're going you're almost back to. Australia heading back home. >> Yeah, I have the premiere tonight um for. Crime 101 and then we fly back home. tomorrow. I've been gone for 3 weeks and. it's it's hard, man, with like with. kids. >> Oh, and they're here with you now. >> No. No. And they're at the age where. like they weren't really aware of time, you know, for a long time. And and now. they're like it pisses them off, you. know, and it's like, well, how long you. said this? And you know, I used to say. to be here and you're never here. And.

then it's like, >> it's not a dick, dad. [laughter]. >> It's not a dick. >> It's not a dick. >> A dick, Dad. So, I'm looking forward to. getting back. >> [laughter]. >> Look at Touch my dick, miss. That. >> guy's That kid was crazy. He was saying. dick that much at school. >> Like 24/7 as well. >> He's a ranger. He's a rang. [laughter]. >> Stop calling him a ranger. >> Well, he is miss. Why not? >> Yeah. Yeah, [laughter].

>> dude. And didn't his dad come down one. time? >> Yes, they come down because now this is. the funniest one. So, so he does a. drawing and it's basically a drawing of. some an image leaning over and touching. him on the groin and he's just taking. the piss and the teacher's like, "What's. this?" He's like, "Oh, that's me and my. dad." [laughter] You know, so she comes. down, the principal's involved, the. teacher's involved, and and the and and. then they call the dad in. And they're. like, "Yeah, we're really concerned. about, you know, what's happened." And. he goes, "Yeah, I made it up." And then.

the dad loses his [ __ ] What the [ __ ]. What would I touch his dick for? What. did you [ __ ] say? [laughter]. >> Thank god there's humor in the world. Huh? >> Oh my god. What else? What else? You. know, if if if we can't laugh and have. fun and and and enjoy the the. experience, what the hell are we doing? >> What's a way that you communicate with. your children or teach them to. communicate that you think has been like. a novel choice for you or something that. you brought along from a place that you.

learned? Like. >> have you has that been a practice for. you to do that? Cuz it just seems like. you try to like have some awareness. about like why you think certain ways. and why you operate whereas some people. don't. Are you is it even possible to. incorporate that in your some of your. kids interactions and lives? >> You do. But I think the biggest thing. I've learned is nothing I say is really. imprinted. It's like they they learn by. example. And if I'm not modeling that. behavior, it doesn't matter how many. times I tell them, you know, do as I. say, not as I do, it's just it's. rubbish. And so if I'm trying to tell.

them to go off their phones and so on or. stop swearing and this I've got to do. it, you know. Um but it uh exposing them. to to to nature, you know, like they're. it and we we were lived in LA for uh. probably 10 years, my wife and I before. we had kids and then we had kids. We're. here for about a year or two and it was. like kind of chaos trying to do anything. with the kids and paparazzi and and so. on and moved back to Australia and. >> what pervert would take pictures of a. kid. That's the weird thing. You know. what I'm saying? Except for most of the.

people in our except this business. >> Except for most capitalists and Yeah. and Hollywood elites. >> Oh, it's brutal. Yeah. No. And and so we. went back home and we just didn't get. that that sort of attention in a. >> good choice you made. >> The best ever like a big conscious. choice to leave the the the environment. that was kind of even for my own. personal sanity like reminded of what I. was doing or what I was not doing. And. so it's very hard to escape the kind of. work the thought process. But for them. just to.

look to expose them to what I thought. was a normal you know upbringing and. being as much outdoors and so we have a. farm and they surf and we got motorbikes. and horses and and look what a luxury. that is you know that's not where um. like we grew up in the in the bush but. we had no money you know and and now. very different sort of financial. circumstances but and that's the trick. is trying to teach them the same sort of. appreciation and gratitude that I had. learned by not having my parents not. having money, but now we're equipped.

very differently. And um. >> that's tough to do. >> It's a really tricky one, you know, but. but. >> it's hard to teach your kids your same. struggle. >> Yeah. And and it's so you try and. expose them to sort of different. situations or parts of the world, but. it's it's also in sort of in discussing. with them the not taking it for granted. and having gratitude for it. Um, but. also, you know, I talk to my mom about this. all the time and she's like, I could. show you, you know, whether on this pay.

scale or or, you know, this end of the. spectrum, finance or not, healthy and. unhealthy people and it's about love and. security and do they feel safe to. explore this world and explore who they. are genuinely, you know, and do they. feel seen and so making sure we're there. and present and when I'm not working, we're 100% there and in your head's not. somewhere else. But um just getting them. outdoors, you know, it's it's it's the. biggest thing. They went to a school, traditional sort of school, and then we. put them into the school where it's just. like 15 kids and three teachers and they.

surf for 2 hours in the morning and then. they do like really focused learning for. a couple hours in the afternoon and it's. it's kind of like homeschooling in a. way, but they they're absorbing that. information more because they've exerted. energy through the through the day, but. there's less kids and more teachers. So, there's far more kind of personal. interaction. But the it's almost like. sort of accidental learning where. they'll they'll talk about you know. their math class might be around shaping. a surfboard. So it's you know 6'2 and 18.

and a half inches and you know what's. the literage and the volume and so. they're calculating things where there's. there's an invested interest as opposed. to just numbers on a board and and and. you know. >> has it been working well? >> M they're happier than they've ever. been. They've been at school for a year. and a half or two years. And. >> that's a blessing, man. And a lot of. people are talking about homeschool here. more in America. You're starting to see. a lot more of it. >> I'm friends with Candace Owens and she. talks about this all the time is like. get your kids into a space if you can. >> where other like neighborhood moms or. dads are also doing the teaching and.

people. >> I'd be worried if it was homeschooling. me trying to teach them, you know, that. would be we did that in CO and that was. a nightmare. And um. >> you were teaching them during CO. Oh, just all of us were being every parent. was being sent like the curriculum and. it was like trying to teach them math, you know, grade five math that none of. it made any sense to whatever math I. learned in high school 20 years ago. And. I was like, let's go outside and have a. surf and you know, >> would you have a chalkboard or whatever? No. >> Oh, no. We had just like it was to get. them to do the right one sentence was.

just like World War II. It was all three. of them were just like constant protest. and not listening. And I called my buddy. who was their teacher and I said, "How. you doing?" And he goes, "Mate, I can't. even get my own teachers, my kids to do. it." He said, "Let's just catch up when. this thing passes." So, we had outdoor. education, which was like, >> "Yes, >> this adventure.". >> Homeschooling hits record numbers. Last. year, last academic year, DIY education. grew at nearly three times the average. rate it did during the CO 19 pandemic. So, it's growing at three times the rate. that it did during CO. That's.

unbelievable. In the 2024 2025 school. year, homeschooling continued to grow. across the United States, increasing at. an average rate of 5.4%. Amen, dude. Yeah, I think the system in. a lot of places can be contrived. So, um. to have some autonomy over what your. children are learning. This is nearly. three times the pre- pandemic. homeschooling growth rate of almost 2%. Recent estimates put the total. homeschooling population at about 6% of. students across the United States. compared to about 3% pre- pandemic. >> I wonder how much of that is like,

you know, parents teaching their kids or. group a group, you know, 10 or 12 like. that's the problem. I think that it's. it's class sizes are too big. You've got. one one person for 30 kids. It's like. god [ __ ] good luck, you know? Whereas. having more of a sort of mentorship. tutoring sort of program where it's. >> less children, more teachers, but. >> Oh, it's Yeah. When there's just some. connection. Yeah. >> Cuz when you're just sitting there and. you're just you're almost just like a. piece of cattle for information. That's. what you feel like in school. A lot of. times I would remember that. It would be. like, >> well, there's just this information. and.

I write it down and it's like what do we. there's it there doesn't feel like. >> no there's no relationship to it. >> there's got to be a better way to do. this and there's no real relationship to. each other while we're learning it. except pulling like [clears throat] a. dick on someone. >> that's true a dick on the desk. >> um let me see the fraction of parents. saying K- through2 education is heading. in the wrong direction was fairly stable. from 2019 to 2022 but rose in 2023 and. then again in 2024 to its highest level. in a decade. Um, the reasons for the. move away from public schools certainly. vary from family to family, but there. have been notable developments in recent.

years. During the pandemic, many parents. discovered that their preferences. regarding school closures and health. policies were anything but a priority. for educators. Um, I don't even know if. teachers have as much like individuality. and autonomy as they used to anyway. >> Yeah. >> No, and it's tricky for my mom. My mom. was a teacher. It's just. >> Yeah. What does she say about it? >> Oh, just how. >> And this is America, too. America's. definitely. >> Yeah. But it's just how it's the. hardest. one of the hardest jobs in the. world. Like, and she just said trying to. control 30 different personalities and. then teach 30 different personalities.

who have different styles of learning. and and absorbing information was just. chaos. And yeah, that's how it is. You. look at our education system 500 years. ago and now it hasn't changed. Just. chalkboard and people sitting at a desk. looking in one direction. Yet, every. other form of, you know, industry has. evolved exponentially. >> That's a great point. And so it I think. we there does need to be a big drastic. shift in how we're teaching our kids and. and you know like a lot people talk a. lot about sort of you know AI and so on.

and and and you know absorbing. information do kids absorb it better and. can you then curate it more but you have. to have an individual there you know we. can't sort of cut off the human. experience um or the human connection. part of it but I would if you could. control it you one incentivize teachers. and and encourage more people to come. into this industry by paying them more. So, government funding because they. don't get paid enough and they don't get. rewarded enough. >> It's dark. I mean, yeah. The fact that. we don't pay them and nurses now.

>> Yeah. It's backwards. >> It's heartbreaking. This It's just like. And it's not the people. It's the. elites. It's the government. That's the. sick part. It's like. >> Yeah. >> No, there sort of a. >> Yeah, we could go down a rabbit hole. >> Yeah, we could go down a rabbit hole, but let's [laughter] let's just stay in. the garden for today. Stay in the. garden, brother. >> We'll stay in the garden for today. Um, Crime 101. It's in theaters. >> Valentine's Day weekend. >> Oh, yeah. >> Get a lady out if you're gay and both. you guys like action. >> That's right. >> You know what I'm saying? Which is kind.

of rare in a gay relation. Usually one. dude kind of, you know, is a little bit. more bridges in Madison County. [laughter]. >> and uh, you know, but whatever. You. know, >> if you like heist films. >> Yeah. If you like heist films, that's. what driven, you know, thoughtprovoking. >> Yeah. You like some espionage. You like. different levels of heist. >> You want to support the heisters and. >> Thomas Crown Affair, Heat Collateral. >> It's a big beautiful cinematic. experience shot in the gritty streets of. Los Angeles. So, nothing gets shot here. anymore either. So, there's a nostalgia. to watching this film. I think that the.

people appreciate, you know. >> Yeah. David Spade and I made a movie and. I know I've said this before on here. It's coming out in April. >> that we shot in uh just north of right. outside of here and here. Actually, we. shot some of it in places that I even. been at AA meetings. Dude, we shot in. places where I've done AA meetings over. the years. >> Cool. >> So, it's pretty legendary. But yeah, it's great to see something shot in LA. And if you've been to LA, you'll see. parts in the background. I was like, "Oh, that's Venice." Like whenever. Ruffalo was sitting outside with Halle. Berry. >> and Halib Berry's in it, huh? >> Fantastic, man. What a force. It was uh.

it was crazy working with her. I've. admired her for so long and she's. incredible. And then it was one of those. I've had this happen one time with Kate. Blanchett as well where you I'm so. intimidated by by the person and. watching them and in the middle of the. scene but also captivated by what. they're doing that I'm just like an. audience member and I'm forgetting like. that I have to contribute. I'm just. going and she's that and she's uh just a. beautiful human being. Barry Kyogan's in. it who's a absolutely man. >> Yeah. He's a He talk about like. dangerous um.

electricity on screen on and off the. camera, you know? He has such an. unpredictability about him and it's it. but just captivating. >> Well, you feel like he's in control of. what he was doing, you know? >> Yeah. >> It's still crazy that he was slurping up. that dude's bath water or whatever. You. know what I'm saying? You know what I'm. saying? I love fosters. You [laughter]. know what I'm saying, bro? That's what. I'm saying, bro. I don't sip out of the. bottom of the tub anymore. I'll drink. off the top of the tub, [laughter] you. know, the top water, but I'm not that. undercurrent, that's just for him.

>> And my friend Crosby Fitzgerald is in it. as well. She plays Ma in the new remake. of um The Little House on the Prairie. that's coming out. So, our fans over the. years know that I love that show and um. she uh has just a small role in it. There she is right there. Beautiful. young lady, so talented. And uh and that. show is going to be on Netflix coming. out soon. But Crime 101, it's in. theaters now. um give my best to your. brother to and uh to your brothers. >> Yeah. >> And um and yeah, thanks so much for. coming and just sharing some information. with us, dude.

>> I appreciate you, man. I love the show. and and have been excited to come on for. a long time. So, thanks, >> dude. It was fun and I appreciate it. And tell everybody in Australia that I. said what's up. And we're coming back. there, dude. And we're going to go to. the beach and we're going to do. everything. >> You hit me up. I'll show we'll go on an. ebike and we'll we'll we'll we'll hit. the coast. >> Good day. Yeah, good day for that. Um. All right. Cheers, man. Thank you so. Thanks so much. >> Corner [music] stone.

Oh, but when I reach that ground, [music] I'll share this piece of mind I. found. I can feel it in my bones, but it's going to take.