Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #583

And we've got some new tour dates to. tell you about. I'll be in Cedar Rapids, St. Paul, uh, Fargo, Rapid City, Philadelphia, Rochester, Garbage Plate, Detroit, Winnipeg, and Calgary in the Canada. All. of those shows coming up in June, July, and August. Theoon.com. It's the return of the Rat. Tour. It's almost over. And, uh, thank. you guys so much for your support. Today's guest is a former NFL wide.

receiver. He's a commentator. He's a. podcast host uh and many other things. He has a show called Night Cap with. Shannon Sharp. Uh he had a huge career. with the Cincinnati Bengals. Um he's uh. he's just he's an energy and I'm. grateful to spend time today with Mr. Chad. Oo John. on. me and I will find a song. I've been.

singing. [Applause]. [Music]. Thanks for coming, Chad. You feel okay. with just getting into it? You want to. anything you want to talk about or don't. want to talk about? Like having sex. Get. into it. Damn. I don't have rules. Okay. I'm just as crazy as you are. Damn. If. you ask, you ready for an answer? Ooh. Well, okay. Chad.

God damn. I look good. You coming in a little dark, huh? How. dark are Do y'all do a Is there like a I. can smoke? Cuz you put that right there. It's fine with me. [ __ ] yeah. I don't. think we got to I mean, will that thing. go off, you think? No, it's not enough. smoke. Did you do F1 last weekend? Yeah, I had. to go shake some hands, smiles, get a. few deals done. I'm not I'm not a not. much of a a F1 guy. NASCAR, now we.

talking. NASCAR is where where where where it's. at. Especially for first dates, go to. NASCAR. What? Some of this [ __ ] A woman. that's never been to NASCAR and you. sitting in the stands. Oh, awesome. I. gotta do something like that. I used to. take girls when I lived in Tucson. I. take them over to the to the dog track. over there. Greyhound. Yeah. Is that a. Greyhound track still? And and they had. a ghound track. This is probably about. 16 years ago. We got the Greyhound track. here, too. Horse track. I I love that, man. You got you got any nice animals at.

the house? No. I I travel too much for. pets. And I can't deal with death. I. don't handle death well. Yeah. I wish. sometimes I love to see animals compete. against each other. Yeah. I love that. [ __ ] man. They had uh baby racing the. other day at a college game. I saw. crawling. Yeah, that's funny. I saw I. saw some sometimes when they do it at. NBA games. Mhm. And the baby's crawling. I bet on them. You ever had that. gambler? Oh, I b Dude, I [ __ ] I.

put,00 on a fourmonth old baby. I let. Yeah. A fast little Filipino four-month. old. Look, look. This is dope. I put. half a rack on that [ __ ]. [Music]. Oh, that's. a That is funny. Dang, look at that one. baby stalled out. Got dementia. [Applause]. Oh, they cheating there.

Stop reaching across the line. I don't. like that. That's the rules of change. And look at this little baby right. there. Damn, he turning around. Wrong. way. Wrong way, buddy. He want He Uhuh. He want a new contract. He just hit the portal. He's heading. back to his stepdad. Oh, they going the wrong way. Then now. they got Oh, that one can't handle it. Yeah, now they got that little Filipino. bad boy up top. There it is. That's Puka Nakua right there up top,

baby. About to hit the finish line. That's funny. Do you feel like it was. probably when you look at the at the. players today, was do you feel like it. was easier for them to be able to uh. pick up stats? I mean, the game has. changed. The game has evolved a lot. Um, obviously from a receiver standpoint, they they throw the ball much more much. more. The era I played in, it was it was. more about running the ball to open up. the pass. So, they definitely I mean, it's different. Obviously, they have. added game too. So, it was a much more.

difficult and the game is a little bit. more lenient in favor of the offensive. side because defensive defenders really. can't do anything. You can't hit, you. can't, you they throw flags for. everything. You get fine for everything. Yeah. I think, you know, my era and the. era before me, football be in general. back then was the true definition of. football. I mean, it's a gladiator. sport, you know. Yeah, definitely. What. Why do you think they softened up the. rules like that? Why do you think they. made it like that? Honestly, the truth. um I forgot what era it was when they. sued the NFL for um all the injuries.

um all the trauma that players have. suffered in the past. Yeah. And they won. the lawsuit. It might have been a. billion or something, something like. that. and they had no choice but to Oh. yeah. The National Football League was. sued for a failing to protect players. from head injuries which can lead to CTE. starting in 2011. In 2012, a class. action lawsuit was filed consolidating. over 4,500 former player cases. So they. settled that, huh? Yeah, they won. Damn. Those players won. And that's why the. rules are what they are today. I know. they always preach about player safety,

but that's I mean player safety is is. cool. It's understandable. But players. have gotten faster, stronger, bigger. the dimensions of the field haven't. changed at all. So therefore, injuries. are still going to happen. Concussions. are still going to happen. There's no. way to prevent that. Yeah. It's. impossible. Yeah. What? Yeah. Cuz that's. part of it. You can't just stop that. It. is part of you know what you signed up. for. Yeah. You know what you signed up. when when you when you make it, you. know, as a 1% in NFL, it's a gladier. sport. It's barbaric. It kind of is a little bit of a bummer.

because you don't really get as many. there's not a lot enough uh defensive. cornerbacks and safeties. They don't. really get enough love then because you. don't even get to know them as much. because they can't play as much defense. Does that make sense? Uh a little bit, but but some of them some of them have. made a name for themselves that are. really good. Really really good. The. Jaylen Ramseies and um McDuffy and let. me see I think run some of these um DBs. off. Uh, Sauce Gardner, uh, Derek. Stingley, you know, some some dudes are.

are really good regardless of the game. changing the way it has. Pat Certain, uh, Lazarius Sneeed, really good. Jaylen. Johnson, good. Young dude, Christian. Gonzalez with the Patriots, man. Hey, he's an animal. Wow. He's an animal. And. there's there's another young fellow, um, Latino right there. Yeah, there's. another young fella in. um damn. it Horn from the Panthers is really good. as well. Joe Horn's son. Yeah, Joe Horn. Hey, he is nice.

So, despite the rules being what they. are, they gotten so good technically, you know, trying to adapt to the rules. Yeah. That some some of them stand out. But there just it feels like there there. can't be really be that beast out there. that's just like clapping dudes down. You can't you can't you can't and th. those the first thing that comes to mind. is the safety or maybe linebacker from. the Texans who got suspended. I think he. got suspended maybe once or twice. because he plays like he's back in the. old days. Oh yeah. I can't uh Al Shazir. Shazir something something like that. Al.

Jazer not him. Who is I don't know I. don't know I don't know say say his name. the right way. Aiz alier. Yeah. Oh hell. yeah. He's an op, bro. He's working for. He plays like it's Middle East over. here. He's over here doing some [ __ ] He. plays football the way football should. be played. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I got. to get his jersey, man. Yeah, he's good. He's really good. But yeah, you don't. hear There's not like that Ronnie Lot. guy. You know what I'm saying? They just. don't have those bangers or like uh who. was the guy that played for Denver that. was just a banger back there. Steve.

Atwater. Yeah. Yeah. Steve Atwater. Bob. Sanders. Oh, he's he's old school. Yeah, he's old. school. And obviously right there, player should have should have slid. early. Slide early. Yeah. What do you. think about the slide, man? Because it. honestly, as a fan, it doesn't even make. it fun. If the guy's running, you know, he's gonna slide. It just seems uh I. don't know. You would almost rather. don't do this play or somebody get hit. Well, not not really. And just slide. early. You know, the guys are coming. They're much faster than you, especially.

quarterbacks. They're much faster than. you. And Mahomes is one who's really. tricky is he'll purposely slide late to. get a penalty. He does all the time. Sometimes he'll pretend like he's going. down or going to step out of bounds and. stay in just a little bit, just a tad. second longer just to get a flag thrown. So, offensive players are using the. rules to their advantage and it it puts. it puts the defensive players in a. pickle. Yeah. But it builds it up for. people want stats. People want to see. the scoring. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so I. guess it's just a sign of the times. Do.

you think it can ever swing back the. other way or do you think that the legal. issues and stuff are going to keep it? Definitely not. it would never swing. back the other way cuz the NFL they have. to protect themselves. They got to. protect the shield and protect the. players, you know, on the back end. Was. it tough on your team when you play with. the Bengals? Like I know you play with a. couple of different teams, but was it or. with any team? Is it fun for a receiver. if they're running, bro? Is it even fun? Like you have to pretend that they're. going to pass. No, because I was I like. to call myself an allaround player. outside of just catching the balls. because there was certain things I.

already knew I would have two people on. me every time. So that opened up the. running game. So I had no problem. So if. you open up the running game and the. running game is doing well, then they. have to take a safety and get him up off. of me and bring him down in the box. Now. I got to now I get to cook. So I I look. I look I look at it that way. Do you. think a lot of players look at it that. way? Like pro probably not. I knew I. knew I would get mine no matter what. because I was the number I was the. number one receiver. So at some point. the ball was going to get to me. But. then you have some games you go into and. a team will say, you know what, today 85.

is not beating us. You're going to have. to be somebody else. And those games, you know, you do the best you can to. keep your composure. It gets frustrating. at times. You still out there just. getting cardio in. Yeah. But you're. gonna have games like that. So if. somebody if they're if you know your. team's running, right, but you still. have to pretend like they're going to. pass, right? Because you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Always. Always. And I I'm rarely. rarely ever was lacadasical because I. understood what I mean to us offensively. even when I wouldn't get the ball. Right. Like even if you're saying if. they think they're going to have to keep. an eye and if his eye is over here, it's.

not over here in the box. Mhm. Most. definitely. Most definitely. So I I run. them off. Um and was that still fun, too? Even on those plays, is it still. fun? I made it fun. I had to cuz I used. that time to talk [ __ ] Yeah. Can you. curse? Huh? Okay. I'm sorry. I curse a. lot. Okay, cool. You can talk [ __ ]. dude. Who's the darkest dude you ever. seen in the NFL, man? Like the darkest. skin guy. Darkest. Cuz sometimes you see. a guy like that. Like I've been even my. black friends and we'll see like a dude. that is and they're like that. That's a.

good question. My f my black friend be. like, "Damn, you see that black?" I'm. like, "Yeah, dude." I saw him. But for. you to say that, that's a You know, that's a remarkable I'm trying to think. I I can't I can't think. I'm dark my. damn self. Well, you come Yeah, I. definitely think you come in a People. would consider you dark. Yeah. Very, very. I'm trying I'm trying to get. darker, you know. I used to tan. Oh, yeah. I used to go to the tanning bed. Did you tan? But naked just to even. everything out. I like it. Because are. there parts say if you're a and I've. never seen a uh I never seen a full I.

don't think naked darker male. Right. Right. Is there parts of your body that. are not as dark? You know what? Sometimes I would like the chest and the. neck area to match and sometimes it. doesn't. I don't like that because it's. always covered. I want my legs, chest, and everything one like chocolate dark. goiva Willy Wonka type complexion. Yeah. I like them uh what's them little things. that they give you sometimes at a hotel. somewhere nice. The little chocolates. Yeah, the ones that are wrapped.

Sometimes they're red, some they're. blue, sometimes it's gold. Yeah, the. little minty. I know you talking about. What are they called? Lor them. Oh, them. Yeah, them Lindor. truffles, baby. Damn. I like I like. those. Yeah, bro. That's what I'm. saying, dude. If you had your Bro, if. they had Chad Johnson Lindor truffle, that's a good one, bro. That's an elite. candy. Look at them [ __ ] They. wrapped up real nice. Mhm. God, they. wearing a damn just a beautiful panty. They got them wrapped in $70.

God, that's expensive. Look at that. Them Lindor change makers. $320. for one or or the the package, bro. That's all I'm saying, bro. If they had. Chad Johnson chuckless, that'd be dope. It's a good idea. I got. to look into that. Have you done some. business ventures? Like, what's. something you ever got in Cuz people get. into something wild. You know, different. people get into different stuff. Joe. Horn have a hot sauce or barbecue sauce. Remember he went big on barbecue? I'm. trying to think of guys from your time.

that had something while I mean I was a. New Orleans guy. So I know Deuce. Mallister had like a car dealership. Well, for me it would be cigars. Oh, really? 85 cigars. Yeah. I mean So you. have a brand of them? Yeah. Oh, bet 80. 85. A number five and boom, there they. go. God boy, them [ __ ] give you give. you a lung CTE. Huh? Listen, that's. that's all I do. I've never I've never. had alcohol. Really? Never. So, anytime. I have a cigar, I always pair it with uh. my coffee. I've just finished my coffee.

Yeah. I never had alcohol. Uh no drugs, never done anything but cigars. I've. been smoking since 1991. Wow. Since 91. I smoke two or three a day. And this is. actually even when I was playing. When I. was playing, I would smoke whether we. lost, whether we won. Cuz what is it? You What is it? just like Yeah. What is. it? Cuz that's a pretty kind of a that's. a real relationship with something. Yeah, most definitely. It's all about. the taste. It's all about the taste. And. I I I'm I'm a fan of really all cigars, whether m whether they're mild, strong, peppery, um smooth, it it doesn't.

matter. I'm just I'm I'm a cigar. enthusiast. Oh, yeah. God. I tried to I. remember I used to work for this rich. guy and I would uh and sometimes he. would call me in there. He would be. drunk and he the other ladies that. worked I was at an insurance company. They had gone home and I was just the. guy who was doing the um filings and. stuff and mailing things and he'd be. drunk in he called me to listen to him. cuz he just wanted to just just Yeah. Just be rich and have somebody here and. be rich, right? So he would sit in there.

with a big cigar and [ __ ] he tried to. get me to hit them [ __ ] a couple. times, man. God, I I couldn't I just couldn't handle some. of it. I mean, my hands swell up. One of. them made my hands real straight. Mhm. I. think he was smoking some [ __ ] that they. had, you know, they put some other [ __ ]. in it at the house or whatever cuz I. couldn't even bend my hands for almost. 40 minutes after smoking them [ __ ]. Did you inhale? Huh? Did you inhale? Yeah, I tried my best. You're not. supposed to inhale. You're supposed to. taste it. I like to hit that [ __ ] It's. an acquired taste. Yeah. And he didn't.

teach me like that. He just like just. gave it to you. Oh yeah, you he was. complaining something, you know, the oil. or whatever. And I was and dude, I had. if I hadn't finished filing that. afternoon probably in there like this. Yeah, that's that's like a platypus in. there trying to [ __ ] figure [ __ ] out, man. But yeah, I didn't know that. So. you never had alcohol, huh? No, I never. I never will, man. But did something. turn you off to it when you were young? I think it might have been my mom. She. drank. Yeah, she Oh, did she? Oh man, she drank like a fish, you know, morning, noon, night, you know, and and.

seeing her become somebody I didn't even. recognize, I think that's why I steered. away from it because it always starts. young. Anytime you you you have an habit. that you stay away from, you have the. discipline to do it. Most people say, "Oh, you so disciplined." No. Say, "No, I'm not." I saw something in my mom when. I was younger that let me know, you know. what? I'm not going down that path. And. I just I just never did it. And did she. is she still alive? No, she passed away. from alcohol poisoning and from cerosis. of the liver. Yep. 20 21. I never. forget. And I knew that I I got that. phone call. I got that phone call and I.

knew something was wrong because it was. family family members calling. M family. never call especially like that back to. back from different family members and I. kind of already knew what it was cuz my. brother had already called so I already. know nothing's wrong with him right and. I I I had a feeling what it was and say. come down to the house your mom is she's. passed out they couldn't even open the. door she was right there right there by. the door and obviously the autopsy came. back and. she passed away drank herself drank.

herself to death that's my baby True. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, man. I uh. you know, I've been in recovery and. struggling over the years from drinking. and a lot of my friends, you know, it's. part of it's part of a lot of people's. universe these days. Yes, sir. What uh. and how do you try and I even have a. family member we try have done. intervention and stuff. Did you guys. ever try to do something like that? Is. that hard as a son? Because I bet it's. kind of tough with a parent because. they're kind of you still have to look. up to them. It it was it was very. difficult and it was so difficult that I.

couldn't do it and she wouldn't listen. to me. You know, you can lead a horse. you can lead a horse to water, but you. can't make them drink. So, she has to. want to get the help herself and they. can't drink alcohol. Yeah. They listen. And so, I even went as far as we were on. Marriage Boot Camp, but it was Family. Edition. I think it WTV. I forgot what. it was. It was a show that you did. Yeah. So, her and I It's all about um a. mother and son or a mother and and. whatever family member it was. you're. trying to mend the relationship and. whatever issues you have. So, I took her. on there and boy, she cut a fool. She.

cut a fool. Oh, she didn't want to be. She cut a fool. Obviously had alcohol. out. They had all this stuff. And it was. her and I, you know, two weeks, two. weeks straight, we went through. different activities. They had two. therapists, two doctors there. And there. there it is right there. And man, a. she's beautiful. What's her name? Paula. Paula Johnson. We call her hurricane. Paula. Category. Hey, listen. Category. 85. Huh? She gets when she gets upset, it's a hurricane. It's a hurricane. And. listen, she showed out in that show,

man. That's my baby. She showed out, but. she just wouldn't. She left the show. early. She didn't even finish the show. She left early. Cut the producers out. Cuss the the rest of the castmates out. She didn't want it. Nah, she she she. didn't want to get the help I wanted, man. But that's my baby. There there was. a funeral scene we did. There was a. funeral scene we did where she was like, "Close the casket." So, it was me in a. casket. And how would she feel if I was. to pass away? Oh. Oh, man. She showed. out. Oh, she showed out. Close the. casses. Let his baby mama's roll him in. Oh, it it was hilarious. Oh, she made it.

funny. Oh, man. It was it No, she was. dead serious though. Oh. Oh, she was. pissed. She was pissed. So that that. that was the introduction to baby m let. him roll close that [ __ ] and let his. baby mama roll his ass up out of here. Yeah. Yeah. And so people were that the. world the world hilarious. Yeah. Will. was introduced to to hurricane. provoke an emotional response. Do you. want to that look alone? She didn't take. any [ __ ] huh? No, she didn't play. Doesn't work. But I meant that. Watch.

this. Listen. I haven't been a part of. his life and he hasn't been a part of. mine. He got his kids and baby mas. Line them. up. Let him roll his ass out. You said. you wanted to close the casket earlier. No, you close it. I don't work for the. funeral home. Let those children come close. Sit down, Paula. Sit down, Paula. Never. You do. not. You could never tell Paula to sit. down. She's a legend. Oh, she's a. legend. Especially in our area. We have. a thing. You're not really a friend of. mine if you haven't been cursed out by.

my mom. That means you ain't been around. long enough. And that that's how she. was. And we we loved her just like that. And I never got a chance to say goodbye. A I never got a chance to say I love. you. But I had the messages. saved before she passed away. And it's. her cursing me out. Yeah. I mean, letting me have it. Letting it rip like. paragraph paragraph you. And And I. wouldn't want it any other way. Yeah. I. wouldn't want it any other way. Cuz. that's who she was. That's who she was. That's fair. I have a family member, they'll send me like some of the texts.

they send [ __ ] in caps, emojis, things. don't even make any sense. They'll be. the I can't even read it. I already know. what it is, right? But at the same time, that's who they are. You know, you have. to love people where they're at. It's. tough though. That's a tough time. I. think so many people deal with that. How. do I love a family member that's. struggling, you know, because you can. even give them things. I mean, even. you're able to provide then. Yeah. And. the funny thing about it is is I had to. stop the bleeding as well because an. individual like that, they would use, "Oh, I'm your mama." as a reason for you. to keep giving, giving, giving, giving.

And a taker doesn't know when to stop. It doesn't know when to stop. And and. there was no appreciation behind it. because no matter how much I did, it was. always an issue. So even at that point. with mom, I even had to deal with her. from from arms length at a distance, you. know, and it's it was cool. We my. grandma raised me so her and I weren't. really eye to eye most of the time. But. man, when the when the times were good, oh man, they they were good. But when it. was bad, I know, oh, we talk about.

entertainment, like her see her being on. that show was able to introduce the. world to who Hurricane Paula was. And. she was TV gold. She was TV gold. Oh, dude. That little bit right there. It. almost reminds me of uh that that woman. New York when she was at her best. Remember? Yes. When she was at her best, though, like her best moments remind me. of something just like that. Oh, that's. interesting. At least you have that At. least you have that also a moment of you. guys' time together, you know, to look. at. I bet she was super proud of you, though. Was she able to express that to.

you? Yeah, absolutely. She was proud of. all the things I was able to accomplish, you know, obviously during during my. days and uh NFL, all the stuff I did off. the field, but she was so unpredictable. The I couldn't take her to important. stuff. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, red. carpet stuff like that. I couldn't have. her in those room because I don't know. what Paula was going to show up. I. didn't know which mom going to show up. and I didn't want her to to embarrass me. in those moments. Um moments that would. be we're we're supposed to be. celebrating whatever achievement it may. be. But listen, if the wrong person is.

there and she sees, she might snap. Yeah. It doesn't care about their. surroundings or the environment. So I I. had to be cautious. She'll get a pass. interf she'll get a defensive pass. interference call quick and don't care. and don't care. Yeah. Wow. Dude, that's. so interesting because that's also it. has to be why cuz that's where you. obviously got a lot of your. banter and ability to accept things even. if they're in a dangerous space to keep. cuz one thing that's interesting I think. about you Chad and this is kind of it. may be judgment but it's just me kind of. from an outside perspective is even if.

things are chaotic and crazy for other. people you're still able to have this. sense of humor that things aren't even. not that it doesn't matter but that it's. not affecting you. Yeah. I have it's I. think because of my upbringing and me. being able to operate well in a chaotic. environment and I'm very comfortable. being uncomfortable very it doesn't. matter what's it doesn't matter what's. going on I love chaos and I I I operate. well in chaos very well it doesn't. matter what it is now will you also.

create the chaos just to then slide in. and operate in it yes think about during. my time playing I was very chaotic I. purposely tried to piss the NFL off. purposely because I understood the game. is an entertainment sport. So therefore, I'm going to bring just that, the. entertainment value part to it. They. didn't see it that way. But all of a. sudden, everything I was vilified for. now is a green light. Everybody's. celebrating. Everybody's having fun. Good point. I understood what I was. doing. And look where you're at now. You're in a space where you're still.

entertaining, right? Still going. Still. going. So in a little bit of a way, you're kind of before your kind of. before your time with that. And it takes. it takes other It's even like with. podcasting. At first they thought. podcasting was crazy. These people. aren't doing [ __ ] They're out here. doing we got networks. We got all of. this. And then you know as well as. anybody you I mean half your times when. you're doing shows with Shannon you're. just sitting there on your phone or. computer. He's in a studio sometimes but. sometimes you're showing up from. wherever. Yeah. From your home you're. just tapped in off a laptop and that's a. that's you know. Yeah. I started the. podcasting early too. I think in 2010.

Let's go. Terrell Owens and I had a show. called the Teoto Show and that that was. that was the first form of podcasting in. a sense. I think that that that there. ever was. Dude, I remember so I lived in. LA for maybe 11 years. I remember I went. one time I was meeting some girl. I. think I met her off the internet or. something, but I was going to take her. She's like, "Will you take me shopping?". And I was like, "Fuck shopping." So, I. know. And I was like, "Yeah." Is this. before or after sex? This was before. sex. This is before a handshake. And so,

but I knew I wasn't going to take her. anywhere nice, you know? I was But I. still wanted to I think I was just. susceptible, right? So I'm like, where. can I take this girl that's not. expensive but American Apparel that has. Right. Right. So that's kind of the. district I took her in. Right. Um. anyway, she's looking at [ __ ] and. everything and uh I saw Terrell Owens. and McCauley Kulkin having lunch. together. That's dope. God. And it was. beautiful. It was almost like seeing uh.

uh Loch Ness Monsters or SAS fight. You. know what I'm saying? Who would ever see. that? Mhm. you know, so something like. just sometimes you see certain groups of. people in the wild. It's just beautiful. But um what made T was was T because you. guys were also teammates. Yeah, he was. in Cincinnati that two days. Was he as. entertaining? What what was Absolutely. You know, you got to think we were. friends before that. I remember I stood. on the table for T and I knew we had. opportunity to get him. So I talked to. Marvin Lewis. I talked to Mike Brown. I. said, "We got to get T in here. We got. to get T in here. As much as I've.

accomplished here as a Cincinnati. Bengal, can we please get one of the. greatest players to ever play? Top three. all time, no matter what. I have no. problem taking a backseat and being his. Robin. Really? Oh, absolutely. With nothing but respect. So, I couldn't wait. And and T and. having T in that locker room and. watching him practice and having a great. understanding on his approach to the. game of football, man, that was a treat. And I think it's a treat. I've never had. a a chance to actually sit there and. tell him how much I admired him in.

general as not only a player, but his. approach to the game of football. And I. got a better understanding on why he's. one of the greatest of all time. Yeah, man. It it was a joy. Was his like what. made it so special? His approach. I. know. I mean, there's rumors that he. sleeps in like a barbaric chamber or. something. All of that. He's sleeping in. like a hollowed out missile or whatever. I'm the complete opposite. You know, Tio. was very massages, hyperbaric chamber, ice tub, cold tub. be eat right, salad, all this stuff I didn't do. And I'm. McDonald's, cigars, complete opposite,

like totally different sides of the. spectrum. So, it it's just just being. around a man, it it was such a joy. And. I was a sponge. And he he doesn't even. know it. I took as much as I could from. him in that moment, you know, in that in. that year I had with him. And still to. this day, um, very good friend of mine, man. Very good friend. Well, I never got. to I've never gotten to meet him. A lot of people are getting their tax. refunds right about now. And it's always. smart to invest a piece of your refund.

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go from a college, right? And I know you. went to SMC. I went to SMC. You did? Yeah. Yeah, I was. I was at SMC. SMC, man. It was SMC was wild, bro. Because. it there was nowhere to [ __ ] park. So, dude, it was like I would drive to. school and if I didn't park, I wasn't. learning. That was it. I took the bus. I. took the bus down bus down Pico. I I. never forget at that time I had a young. lady I was dating. Uh she lived in the. jungles across from Dorsy High School, right off Coliseum in the third. building. I I'll never forget and I. would take the bus I would take the bus.

to to school. And what was it like. playing because that was a community. college but it was probably a really. good program they had. It was the best. that they could have. It was good. Especially back then obviously Steve. Smith senior he was on the team with me. and I I needed that. I need to get out. of the environment out here in Miami to. to cuz this is where you started out at. Yeah. With AB. Was AB running when you. were running? Well, he was a little. younger. AB Yeah, AB. But did you hear. about him or No. Yeah, I watched him in. high school when he was at Norland. Yeah, I've been watching AB for years. And his dad was also from Miami. Troy uh. I'm not sure. Was it Troy? Holly. Uh.

Touchdown Brown. Who is that right there? That's Eddie. Brown. Touchdown Eddie Brown. That's. AB's daddy. His father. Uh that's AB's. dad. That's his dad. His dad. Yeah. His. father had the most touchdowns. He still. holds a record, I think. Arena. Most touchdowns in arena. football. Wait, that's his dad for real? Mhm. I didn't know that. Eddie Brown. Well, that's dope. But I don't know how. many siblings and stuff he has. How do. you He gets put on the CTE bus a lot.

You know, he gets put on that baby bus. They they they Do you think that's true. or do you think it's No, I I I think he. knows what he's doing and he played into. the CTE thing real well. You know, his. CTE his CTE ESPN. Hilarious, dude. Hey, it's it's hilarious. It It's hilarious. Um and he's kind of bridging a little. bit. He does a little bit of racial. bridging kind of. Yeah, a little bit. A. little bit because he'll call people. name, you know, he'll call some guy. crack or some guy the N word. He'll mix. he'll call it Asia the N word. He'll get. there's no he's he's in a space right.

now where he knows what he's doing and. he knows how to get that traction. He. knows how to get that reaction. You. know, I cheer him on because I do find. that it's interesting where he's at and. I hope he can figure out the best way to. manage it. I mean, look at this. Hey, listen. He's he's on a he's on a. historic run right now. He's he's on a. historic run in his own lane doing what. he does. I love I love him to death. I. love him to death, you know. Um. obviously a friend of mine before. football. Oh, really? Yeah. Before.

football. Yeah. This goes way back. And. that that's someone I will always. support whether whether it's up close, whether it's from afar. Um you know, his. decisions that he makes, you know, that's him. He's a he's a grown man, but. there's one thing about him I'm always. love him. He No, that's nice to hear, man. Yeah. There's I will say this. There's something extremely lovable. about him, right? Yeah. It's like. whatever he does or whatever he's like. anything he's saying like him as a. person, he has such a like a warm energy. and smile. And now I haven't seen like a.

darker side of him. There may be, I. don't know, but he's got such a smile. that it's like you want to get on you. want to hear what's going to what's. going to happen with him. Yeah. Very. very interesting. Very very. unpredictable. Unpredictable. That's. what makes that's what makes it so. awesome cuz you don't know what the. [ __ ] Excuse me. You don't know. You can. curse. You can curse. You don't know. what the [ __ ] going to happen next? Cuz. I don't even think he know. Well, he. might know, but he you're like, I'm. going to ride with him even if every. everything AB does right now is is. strategic. It's strategic. It's planned.

out and he's two steps ahead of. everybody else. Yeah. I love hearing. that. Yeah. Bellich really opened the. portal with that dating a young lady, man. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I had an. opportunity to work with Bill this past. season on NFL films. So, Bill was there. with me and Ryan Clark and Chris Long. And did you get to meet his girlfriend. then? No, I don't I No, no, I didn't I. didn't meet her. I didn't meet her. there. I think I might I might might. have saw her once. I mean, people are. over they're almost overshadowing his. acumen and what he's done with her. You. know, the media will do that a lot of. times. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Bill Bill is.

Bill. Bill's going to be able to do what. he wants to do. Uh his resume speaks for. itself and uh I'm excited for Bill. obviously and what he going to do. turning that UNCC program around and. getting another opportunity to coach in. the NFL. you know, what he decides to do. with his personal life. You know, that's. one thing I stay away from, you know. I. always stay away from stuff like that. Yeah. Did Yeah. Cuz I'm trying to think. cuz my dad was 70 when I was born. My. mom was 32, right? So, okay. They had. What is Bill's difference in it? 74 and. 23, right?

So, yeah. I mean, you know, I didn't. love having a old If they had children, I don't know if I loved having a old dad. because, you know, it's like a limited. time offer. Mhm. You know, every time. you see him, that [ __ ] the the clock is, you know, the clock is ticking. Heaven's. going to make a draft pick, you know. So, you start to see that 49 your age. gap. But who knows if they're in love? Yeah. Listen, love who loves you. Love. who loves you. That's that's all I can. say.

Do you feel like it's risky like with uh. athletes and stuff? There's a lot of. like, you know, there's a lot of. potential for to get in a sticky. situations because a lot of athletes, they're, you know, they're people know that they. have money. They're they're in great. shape. You know, it seems to be like it. happens more often than not these days. Most definitely. Most definitely. You I. mean, you got to you got to be cautious. You you got to be weary and always. understand.

that you know sometimes most of those. that you'll deal with most of those who. will deal with you is because of what. you can do and not who you are. How do you try and figure that out? Like. uh. you don't think you can't figure it out. because you have you always have to lead. lean into it with that same thought. process. Like what are you saying? You have to. understand especially when you have. money and you have things going on for. yourself. Would you be able to get the. same girl that's with you now if you. didn't have it? Nine times nine times.

out of ten. Absolutely not. Not. That's just that's reality. And that go that goes for every that. goes for any and everybody, you know, like that's just life. That's just the. way it is. If you could if you lost the. ability to provide the woman you're with. right now, would she still be there? And. that's probably for any man really. almost in any space. Period. If you lost. the ability to provide Yeah. Period. or. do the things or or give her the. lifestyle that you've been able to. What. was she doing before you came along? Yeah. And look what you've done with.

that certain individual that you're. with, you know, and depending on how. much money you have, your leash is very. long. And when things hit the roof, most. of the time when she leaves you, she has. to take that money with her to continue. that lifestyle. Oh, yeah. That's a tough. spot then because your money is going to. get uh kind of uh divided up. Yeah. Do. you have you have a lot of you have a. decent amount of children? Yeah, a lot. 85. You have 85. Is that your goal? Yeah. Yeah. You got That was my goal. But then also the people I've had kids.

with, we were all on one accord. One accord. I only dated women that were. athletic. I'm not having kids just to. just to have kids. Oh, so do you have. some strategy? Yeah, there was strategy. behind mine. I don't care about you. being a bad [ __ ] I don't care about. you being on IG with your ass out. I. don't care all that. I don't I mean. that's fine. Whatever you need to do to. to feel better about yourself, I'm fine. with that. But I needed and only dated. women that were athletic. So my kids had. a head start on that foundation of.

athletic ability. That's it. So I look. at women. I look at ankles. Yeah. Cuz I. look at some track. Do you see some of. them track women? Yeah. My my daughter. run track at University of Kentucky now. Oh, really? Y'all live in Nashville, man. That's not far. For real? Yeah. If. you go up to a If you go up to see a. meet, I'll come up there and meet up. with you guys in Lexington. Yeah, dude. That'd be awesome cuz I bet they also. run against LS on LSU. If they run. against LSU or Vanderbilt, dude, that'd. be sick, bro. I'll come up there, man. Yeah. And I I I don't I never have. really have this. There she is. Yeah.

This when she was young. And she's good, huh? Oh, yeah. She can go. She can go. She can't beat me, but she can go. Do. you think she'll be able to beat you at. some point? Absolutely not. Because. before my any of my Listen, hey, listen. Before my kids beat me in anything, I. would trip her. I'm just being honest. I would trip her. before she beat me. That. not not happening. Not happening. Did um. Dang. So you So was her mother athletic? Mhm. Absolutely. Yeah. Do you see those. track ladies? All of them. Oh, did you.

cheer? Did you play volleyball? Did you run. track? Volleyball. Yeah. I mean, just I. just need to see. But cheer sometimes. you get these little nuggets. They get. them little Mac nuggets out there. But I. I know. I can tell cuz when I go on. dates, I like to go places where you. have to you have to show me athletic. ability. Go to Dave and Busters. Can you. shoot? Now, if you don't have no form. and can't shoot, I can't do nothing with. you. We go bowling. Go roller skating, you know. Oh, that's a good one. So, I I. hold my own my own um roller skating, baby. That's ice skating for black.

people right there. That's what that is, dude. Uh the combine. I hold my own. combine. Oh, they think we're going on. dates. Little do you know, I'm really. I'm taking notes. Okay, you can bowl. Okay. You don't really have any. coordination skating, but I can work on. that. Come on, Chad. Yeah. Go go go to. the gym. A gym date. Oh, please take him. to the gym on a second date. Yeah. Yeah. First date, Dave and Busters, you know, check out coordination. Let me see how. your lateral movement is. That's That's. Hey, Theo, you laughing. That [ __ ] is.

important. No, it looks Sometime Listen, you I some some of these guys a good. point. Yeah. They date women. Oh, she's. so fine. She's on IG live. She fine as. hell. Blah blah blah. You have a child. Your child got two left feet and you. wonder why your child get picked last in. PE. Yeah, your child out there, he's. swimming a little circle. Yeah. Oh, they. come home sad. Uh, nobody picked me. No, [ __ ] that. Yeah, [ __ ] that, dog. If your. if Yeah. If she can't play kickball, I'm. out. Oh, dude. That's cuz that's a good. test of a lot of different sports at. once. A lot. Run and kick it at the same.

time. You know how hard that is to do? The coordination to be able to run. forward and kick in rhythm. Yep. That's the [ __ ] Mozart of athletics. to me. Boy, kickball will show you a. lot. Yep. Absolutely. That's what I'm. saying. This But there's a lot of traps. A lot of people don't think like that. because you have to think too like do so. do you think do you think a lot of men. because I feel like a lot of Let me get. this right. So in the NFL they got a lot. of guys it seems like who want to have a. lot of children, right? Do you think.

that that's true? No. I think at times. you is that a stereotype or even in the. black and with black do they have a lot. of guys who want to have a lot of. children. Well, there are a lot of white. guys too. They have a lot of kids as. well. Yeah. But I think we just get. caught up in the moment most of the. time. And I think our counterparts on. the other hand. um they have a little bit more a little. bit more discipline in that area. But I. think they they they're not as bad as. us. But also they're What do you mean. our counterparts? I mean white white. guys. Okay. So white guys versus black.

guys. Yeah. And I'm not even looking at. it like in a I guess I am looking at. obviously in culture, right? I'm not. really looking at it in race, but I'm. looking at it in culture, right? So, I'm. thinking in black culture, is it more of. a thing to have? It happens. It happens. a lot because we get we get caught up in. the moment. Okay. We get caught up in. the moment. Now, I I'm I'm one who who's. one of those like to spike the ball. Yeah. But for me, everything I've done. was strategic and not done on purpose. It was a method to my madness. It was a. method to my Nobody's I'm not having. kids. Nobody's running to child support. and old check. No. No. because we all.

had one end goal. You understood what it. was. And I also had kids with people. that I've known before I even made it. So there were no ulterior motives like. most have when you meet them once you've. already had money. Yeah. So yeah, you. meet some thought at an equinox or. something and you have a child and the. first thing you wonder why things don't. work out. Yeah. Not things most time. don't work out. But no, it's like Yeah. You don't know who you're you don't. you're putting yourself at risk. Yeah. Most. So you're saying instead of risk. you have more strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Most. definitely. Most definitely. Most. definitely. Yeah. Because I just wonder. sometimes I wonder in black culture, do.

they view do black men view the world. differently? Like is there a do they. view it more as like a I'm a king and. this is my castle? No, I I don't you. know that's just how I wonder sometimes. or like Yeah. Like is there a strategy. sometimes? Well, I g I gave you mine, right? And I' I've always lived by that. No matter who it was, I don't care how. fine you are. I'm not here to raise. models. I want athletes. So therefore, I'm going to procreate with those who. give me just that. You might you listen, you'll have fun and go on dates and for.

those who who are not that, but when it. comes to having kids Oh. Oh, honey. Uh-uh. I don't care how fine you are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got a kid. Your. kid walking at three weeks running. Yeah. Four. Yeah. For his first. birthday, you get him a hurdle. Um, do you think what else am I thinking. about? Do you think.

uh do you think there's a lot of gay. They just had a guy they were talking. about a gay gentleman in in the NFL. Do. you think there's more gay men in the. NFL that we just don't know about? Absolutely. And they're afraid to say. absolutely. They they probably don't. want to. It make every make people. uncomfortable and the media would make. it a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. And. I listen, I wouldn't I wouldn't have a. problem with it, you know, because I'd. be the one making jokes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I listen, I'd be the one making jokes. I don't care what you are. Gay, trans, ABC, I don't care. I'm I'm accepting of.

all. Yeah. And I I would I would have. still kind of caught up on them. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's. probably for the best cuz if you get. some good jokes going, that's the thing. about joking all the time. It's like. they tried to make joking a crime over. the past like 10 years. Everything is. Everybody's very sensitive. That's one reason I like AB is because. he just, you know, in his heart that he. probably doesn't have a lot of malice in. that world, right? But he likes to have. fun. You know, that's one thing I think. that black culture does better than.

white culture does is tell jokes. Dude, if you get around and you start clowning. on somebody, but you're right there with. them, they know you supported. Yeah. But. man, that's And then you know the next. bullet is coming, right? The next time. they get a chance, it's coming for you. Yeah. Most definitely. That's the most. fun, dude. Yeah. I don't I don't know. why why people are uh they they call it. homophobic, you know. I I think and um I. think that's one of the reasons a lot of. players don't want to come out, you. know, or people in general that might. swing the other way. I mean, shoot, [ __ ].

it. Just it is who living your truth. And plus, they got some gangster gay. dudes out there now, bro. It's not like. the gay dudes 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody was feminine. Nah. Yeah. Whatever drawing a rainbow bride. or something. They got gay dudes to beat. your ass. God. Literally. Literally. Listen, I've I've always been fond of. that that that community. They've always. showed love to me and I've always showed. love back. Oh, yeah. They got some. severe gay dudes. That's a song right. there by Ees.

[Music]. I didn't know they had this song. I. never I never heard this. who sings. that. That's great. This is crazy. Yeah. It's funny. It's funny, especially. where we are in the world right now, that some people based on occupation and. based on what you do, you really can't.

come out because it can jeopardize what. you have going on. But it feels like the. only place that is kind of Well, maybe. there's I'm sure there's probably like. some like probably farming communities. like. uh you know, I bet there's probably. farming communities and maybe the in and. maybe athletics, but I don't know in. women's athletics it's accepted. Oh, it's accepted. Yeah, it's probably just. in men's athletics. Do you think that. there's a if you took the gay players. from all the team, do you think you. could make a you think you could make a. gay team in the NFL? No, probably not. So, you don't think there's enough gay.

men to make a team? No. No, not that. many. Which division you think in the. NFL probably have the most gay players? I have no idea. That's a good That's a. good one. I have no idea because I don't. know. I don't know everybody's. preference, right? But if you had to. guess, even just by looking at some of. Let's pull up the Just pull up the uh. That's the funny thing about you can. look at somebody in tail. No, you can't. But I'm just saying look at some of. these records though. The Cowboys, bro. Hey, that's last year. No, no, they're. not. Oh, okay. Hey, that's a that's a. good one. I mean, to to be able to stat.

statistically rate how many people would. be, you you would never know, right? You. would never know. But it's fun to guess. your friends. But I will say this, uh I I think it would be great if they. had a gay team. You think so? Yeah, because you know how. many people support them? People want. Oh, they It would be huge. People always. want the underdog, right? They always. want the underdog. Would they really be. the underdog? I That's a good point. Would they really. be the underdog? Right. But I think they. would be buil as the underdog. Right.

Just in general. Right. In general. That's a good point. That's a fair. statement. Would they actually. physically in capability to be the. underdog? No. We have no idea, right? Cuz we we don't know what the team is. But I think they would get build as this. underdog, which would give them a chip. on their shoulder type of mentality. You. know, I think it's one of the same. reasons why you see like, oh, they have. a a national game for body. They got a. squad already. I'm telling you, bro. We're getting. close. And everybody throwing their left.

arm in that thing, boy. God, look at that. I didn't know I. didn't know they had that. Oh, I bet that's hype. Dude, I went to. the uh women's um lingerie bowl one. time. I remember lingerie football used. to be huge. They hit each other. They go. crazy. I've seen some of the clips on. Twitter and they were beautiful, too. Gosh. Yeah. Oh, I like I like the. outfits. God. Yeah, I like the outfits.

Shoulder pads, legs, breasts, knees, everything. Head, arms. Oh, yeah. God, that [ __ ] was nice. Um, yeah, right. here. And they would talk they talk a lot of. trash. They talk a lot of [ __ ] right. there. They be like, "Bitch, I'mma knock. your ovaries. out." Gangster [ __ ] like that. This is dope. I'mma knock your nipples. off that say [ __ ] like that. Hey, they I wonder do they still they. don't have this anymore, huh? I don't. know.

Have you ever considered investing in a. type of uh athletic league? Nah. Nah. No. I I I will stick to the things. I know and that that is that is cigars. Yeah. Cigars and kids. Those are my. investments. Okay. Yeah. Do you think. they have one last question on game. players? You think they got enough? Oh. Oo, tell me this. Do you think they got. enough gay. players in the NFL to. beat the Jets?

Be real with me, O. I have no idea. You. would have to go by position. Is there. one gay player at each position that is. one of the best in the game at their. position? But even then, I'm not sure. The Jets obviously looked bad last year. Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling how. they gonna be this year now that they. have a quarterback in Justin Fields. So, we'll see what happens. That's a good. question. I would like to see that. I. like that hypothetical. Thank you, sir. I would love to see that. And who would.

I even cheer for that? I would cheer for. the gay team. I probably would, too. Yep. I'd be out there. [ __ ] I would. coach them. I water boy them dogs. I'd. be out there water boying, dude. We got. some a little bit of zest sauce for. everybody in the huddle. Um, how tough. is it for a player if you're going to a. new team? If you know that the. quarterback hasn't had a ton of success, is that a tough spot to be in? How do. you manage your expectations? Like, you. know, you're going to a team. where, you know, maybe you leaving a.

team that had like a Drew Brees or a Tom. Brady, right? And you know the balls are. coming, right? you know, they're going. to be in a vicinity where you can catch. them and you know there's going to be 30. passes a game and then you get into a. spot where. you're at a quarterback that's going to. throw 22 passes a game and he's maybe. going to get 170 yards out of them, 140. yards, you know, but it all depends on. the quarterback and the offense you go. to and how much they're going to use. you. It's all on how good you are. Obviously, if you're going to another. team, most of the time you're not who.

you thought you were. Oh, mo most of the. time. So, you have to think about that. If you weren't if you weren't regarded. that much that they are keeping you, you're not who you thought you were. Unless you're on the back end of your. career, normally once a player hits year. 10, they move on from you regardless of. who you are, no matter how good you are. You know, Jerry Rice, to Randy Moss, at. some point teams moved even moved on. from them. And we talk about some of the. great, you know, greats ever. But when. it happens early, you know, you're in. year three or year four, it is time to.

look in the mirror and say, "How can I. make myself more valuable if they were. willing to move on from me?". And what are ways you think that players. can do that? Like what can you do to. make yourself got to work on your craft? You got you got to work on your craft. How there are players coming in year in. and year out always, but how can I. continue to main make sure my value. stays at a high level? Yeah. where to. where no matter who's coming out, you. won't be able to get this kind of. production from anyone else. And that's.

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[Music]. hp.com/theo. And we thank BetterHelp for. supporting the podcast. Yeah, I'm friends with Jordan Matthews. He played for the Philadelphia and now. he got played for Carolina. He's getting. in in the later years of his career, but. it's interesting to see him go there and. now. Like he is a little bit more of. like a leadership role, you know, lead. by example, show up like JMAT shows up. every day, you know, great attitude, great energy, but it's just interesting. to see what happens to guys as they get. later in their career and how do they. still make themselves valuable. Yeah. In.

other ways to a squad, ways outside of. production. Yeah. And that's You believe. that? That's Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh veteran leadership, you. know, around a bunch of young guys, someone that conducts themselves the. right way in the locker room. A good. locker room presence can can can carry. you on an extra two or three years in. the NFL. So, that's not a myth. Oh, no. Absolutely. They, you know, coaches like. that. Coaches like that. A good guy, clean guy, uh one that you know, not. going to have any problems. He's going. to show the young dudes on how to work, how to work on your craft and approach.

and study, study film and stuff like. that. That's very valuable outside of. production. Amen. Do you think when you look at your. career, do you think you could have. operated differently in some years to. get have gotten more out of yourself? Right? We all look, you know, because. I'm critical of myself, right? You know, I look back and I want the to do the. best I can even though I don't know what. it is sometimes, but I want to do my. best and sometimes I look at certain. interviews like I interviewed Mark. Zuckerberg a couple weeks ago from um. the Facebook guy, you know. Right.

Right. Right. And I like I should have. done I knew I could have done better. I. think I had like a little bit of a plan, but I think I got nervous. And so when I. look back on that, I'm like, man, I wish. I would have asked some things that were. more important, right? Things I really. wanted to ask, but I was afraid to, right? Um, do you look back in certain. years of your career, you're like, "Yeah, I could have done some things. differently at this time. Either I was. younger or I was I mean, when I look. back at my career, I would have done. everything I did plus more because I had. some great ideas that I didn't get. didn't get a chance to do, you know?".

Like, what do you mean by that? I mean, just the fun. the fun. I would I would. have pushed the envelope even more. Really just having a good time. Having a. good time because listen, NFL is not for. long. And I had a short window to. maximize as much as I could not out of. myself and out of the NFL. And I did I. did just that, which is one of the. reasons why I'm still going to this day. pushing forward. But looking back, you're like, man, if I'd have known what. I know now, if I'd have known then what. I know now, then I could have done even. more. Right. Yeah, most definitely. But.

that like is that what you mean? Or do. you mean like physically training more? Like do you feel like No, no, no. Just. the my approach to the game in general, just on field stuff. So what do you what. do you feel like your attitude was. different at certain years? No. I was. the same always. I was always. authentically myself. What you see right. now off camera or on camera, it's the. same way I was on field. Yeah. You know, that that wasn't that that wasn't a. character. That was really me. And I. just chose not to conform and not to. behave the way they said I should. Yeah. The way I played in the NFL is the same. way I played when I was in high school. It was the same way I played when I was.

in Pop Warner. Just because you've paid. me millions of dollars, I'm not changing. who I am just for that. Absolutely not. Did you ever have teams try to like tell. you to p like No, they loved it. They. loved it. The referees loved it. Opposing teams, coaches loved it. Opposing teams, players loved it. Everything everything I did. I could see. that cuz there's this there's kind of a. thing like even if somebody's the enemy, if they're an enjoyable enemy, dude, you're kind of just thankful to have. somebody around that's going to keep you. entertained, that's going to keep things. fun. That's Not only entertainment, but.

what I brought to the game and those I'm. playing against. It was nothing but a. competitive nature. Nothing I did was. malicious. Yeah. But you knew one thing. If we playing oo or we playing the. Bengals in general, I got to come to. play. Yeah. Because I'mma challenge you. during the week through the media. Yeah. I sent I sent gifts to the defenses we. were playing to the secondaries just to. make it fun. What kind of stuff? Like. high heels or something? No. No. Like. Pepto I sent Pepto-Bismol to the Browns. I sent um I sent cuz you about to deal. with this [ __ ] huh? Yeah, I'm I'm going.

to make you sick to your stomach. Um I. sent gifts to the Falcons before. Uh who. else? The Steelers. I sent I sent them. some uh just just fun, man. Just fun. stuff. And they would they would always. get the packages Saturday morning. Look, I opening them packages, bro. Bro, you're like a [ __ ]. dangerous Santa. They just just had I. was going to make them sick or they were. going to get sick of covering me. So, here's some Pepto ahead of time. All fun. All fun. That's hilarious. That.

kind of stuff can really affect a. defense. You think just their mentality. or what do you think it really does? It. it messes them up because if you get if. you go out there and you trying to kill. me, that lets me know you're out of. control. Oh, you're out of control. So, I I do stuff like that. If I can I like. to play mental gymnastics. Yeah. If I. can get you out of your game, if I can. get you talking to me in the middle of a. game, I got a I got a little edge on. you. A little edge on you. Just Just I. did that that small. If you're worried. about me personally, you're not worried. about me as a player. Bingo. And you're. not worried about the game in general as.

a whole itself. Damn, dude. Stuff like. that is so true. It's like cuz you cuz. even when you say if you look back on a. on a moment in your life and you're. like, damn, I could have been a little. bit more locked in or I let this get me. a little and it did affect me. And that. happens. Yeah. So then if you think that. of ahead that way, you think if I can. cause that to them that and I know that. that outcome really occurs, then that. then that me causing that is worthwhile. Yeah, absolutely. That's so true. The. funny thing about it is is being out of. control and trying to hurt an individual.

that you're playing against, which is. what happened to me every game. I had no. problem because I I enjoyed playing very. calm under chaos. So you're going to be. chaotic, right? somebody nice and. relaxed and calm and you being angry. that split second of anger you're going. to miss. You're going to whiff. You know. is this is the game of football is a. game of inches. Yeah. And once I know. I'm in your head I'm going to always. have that half inch over you every time. Who who hit you the hardest when you.

were playing? Do you feel like Brian. Russell? Bryant Russell. Brian Russell. Cleveland Browns. Garbage time. Carson. threw a slant over the middle. Game is. over. There was no reason I was supposed. to be in the game and I was I was. knocked out there. Watch this. Up top. All the way up top. Cincinnati. Oh. Oh god. And that is the. one hit I the one hit I took and was. concussed. Yeah. And did he even call or email you? No,

he didn't. Nothing. It It was good. I. enjoy You see the score line, huh? 34-10. Why am I Why am I even in the. game and it's what a minute go on the. clock? But real talk though, if they had. taken you out of the game at this point, would you have been upset? Do you guys. want to be in there getting stats or. what's it really like? You know, I don't. know why we were in the game at that. point. I'm I'm not sure. That that game. was over. Obviously, the battle of Ohio, one of the one of the biggest games. Oh, that's a good point. People came. Maybe. they don't want to see the stars the. whole time. So, when you uh was there a. quarterback that you do you feel like. you got the best opportunity with your.

quarterback? Yeah. Hell yeah. Carson. Yeah, absolutely. Just don't know. You. don't know if people are sitting there. thinking like whoever the quarterback is. didn't matter. I I did not know because. I'm I'm coming in and my skill set was. at a point and how I felt was I'm gonna. make your job easy. Bob Rowski was the. officer coordinator when we played. I'm. making your job easy. If you know you. need a play and you need a catch or you. need a whatever it may be, you know who. number to call. Oh yeah. That's my. mindset. Like I don't I don't need you.

to be great throwing the ball. Just put. it in the area. Just anywhere in the. area. I'll take it. I'll take it a rest. Was there do you think players sometimes. like at the end of games they're like. asking coaches, hey, give me trade for. me or something like that. People. secretly like Yeah, that happens all the. time. Yeah, that that now that happens. all the time. No, so people say it quick. in that quick little hug. Hey, trade me. Trade for me. Yeah, absolutely. Trade. for me. Trade for me. Damn. Because you. wonder them hugs are fast, but some you. see their mouth moving. Yeah, that's why.

you see players always cover their. mouth. But it's hard now because. everybody's miked up. Oh yeah, everybody's miked up. So yeah, that. happens though. That's a good one. Do. you feel like it's a. uh I wish I had me a cigar. I would try. one, man. I should have got one. If I. catch up with you this weekend, I'll get. I'll get one. I got You have your own. brand? Yeah. 85. Remember? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't bring. them up. Let me get a look. Let me get a. gander at them dogs right there. And.

where do y'all get that uh. where do y'all get the um uh Dominican. in the DR? Not lettuce. What's it. called? Nicotine lettuce. The leaf. The. leaf. Tobacco. Tobacco. Yeah. In DR. Now. we we uh do mass production out of Y'all. get down there in Dominican Republic. Huh? Yeah. Now we distribute from. Nicaragua now. Really? Yeah. That's. where my dad's from, man. For real. That's dope. That's dope. That's crazy, bro. Oh yeah. Wow. What are the odds of.

that, man? Boidas. Mhm. The good life, baby. Um, do you think uh is this a make or. break year for Joe Burrow? Tell me what. you think. What do you think, Oo? No, not make or break. [ __ ] no. You don't. think so? No. Absolutely not. Make or. break what? He ain't going nowhere. I. know. He ain't going nowhere. But in the. perception of maybe in the perception of. fans, you think it's No, I wouldn't. call. They got a great offense. You. know, crazy offense. I agree. So, at. that point, if if you're going to give. up 35 points, you got to be able to.

score 40. Bingo. Like, I'm glad you said. that. Now, what we do need to do is we. need to start fast. We need to start. early, you know, in the beginning of the. season, you know, losing to the Patriots. um the way we did in the beginning of. the season. It hurt us on the on the. back end. We need to start fast. We. don't have to ride on other teams to. lose or win for us to have an. opportunity to get into the playoffs. I. don't Nobody wants to see us offensively. if we make it into the playoffs. Yeah. Ravens very good. Bills very good, Chiefs very good, and that will always. be the three or four teams that are in.

in the hunt every every season. Who. Who's a team you think coming this year. might actually have a that that that's. going to be something different, do you. think? Oh, that's a good one. That's a. good one. There's always a surprise team. every year cuz I'm a Saints guy. The. Saints started off last year, they had. two big games out of the gate. They beat. Dallas by 30. They scored over 40 the. first two games and then it went bad. I. mean, went so sour. So, I I have no. idea. And it's hard to tell. You know, you have you have some special players. that have that have gotten drafted. So,

we're going to see how they can impact. the game early and impact that team in. general. Oh, yeah. So, I'm I'm curious. I'm excited to see, you know, what what. Travis Hunter does in Jacksonville. I'm. excited to see what Abdul Carter does. Uh Jackson Dart, who is Oh, yeah. who's. over in New York now. He'll probably. That's true. He's with the Giants, right? Yeah. Yeah. He'll probably he'll. probably sit down and and Russell will. be at the helm. That's going to be a. pressuresome market over there. But. it'll be interesting cuz Russell, you. don't really know how it's going to go. Yeah. Yeah. But listen, they they got. Malik Neighbors, so they they going to. be all right. LSU got Washington.

Commanders right there. I'm excited for. them, man. They got to always be in the. hunt every year. Every football team in. NFL is a quarterback away from being in. contention year in year out. The. Commanders have their quarterback for. the next decade. Why is it so hard to. have because you usually have about six, seven, eight team that have good. quarterbacks, right? The quarterback. does well that year. Why is it so hard. to have that position be good? Well, it's hard to find a quarterback that's. good. They ain't But it's crazy. There's. a ton of It's like No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not a ton of quarterbacks.

You have tier ones, you know, you your. tier one quarterback 200 NCAA team. I. mean, you have a lot of guys that can. play quarterback. They're not that good, right? They're not that good. There's a. reason why. You know, your your Patrick. Mahomes, your Joe Burrows, Lamar. Jackson, your your Josh Allens. Oh, yeah. Um, Joe Burrow, Jaylen Herz, Jordan. Love, uh, Justin Herbert, and Trevor. Lawrence should be in that conversation. CJ Stra, maybe CJ Stra, you got guys. that are right there in that second. range. Yeah, those those are tier one.

quarterbacks or should be based on their. talent, but I don't know. But then you. get a guy like like an Andy Daltton, his. game manager, does a good job, right? But never can kind of get over that past. like nine and seven or six and eight. He. never can really. It just kind of amazed me sometimes. I'm. like, you think that they would just try. put anybody in there, give them a shot. No, it doesn't work that way. You put. anybody in there, you'll be home. Now, you put anybody in there, that's how. coaches get fired. Oh, yeah. You're. getting fired. Do you ever think of. coaching getting into it? Absolutely. not. No. No. They don't pay enough. And.

I make more now doing what I'm doing. I. make more now than when I was playing. Damn. So, I'm I'm good. And that's such. a blessing because dude a lot of guys. the the their career it's hard enough to. get out of college get on an NFL team. then that is huge for those guys make. get the bread while you can get there. but then to have a career after that. it's like I'm looking at the busing with. the boys guys like uh Taylor Lewan and. Will Compton they got in early they have. a great space now like there's so much.

like they have like a real imprint in. the in in in society you know. Yeah they. do they're doing really well. It's cool. It's cool to see that kind of stuff. McAfee did it did it did well with his. as well. Oh, dude. Yeah. He's Nobody's. like him. Oh, yeah. There's nobody like. him, man. Yeah. I'm trying to think of. what else is going on, man. That's. interesting to to create a family based. on I'm building for success, right? Absolutely. Is it hard to manage that. big of a family with that many children? What's that like? Really? We I run a. tight ship, everybody. Hey, I run a.

tight ship. Those I have kids from, we. have the same end goal. We got the same. end goal. And those I have kids from, awesome mothers. Awesome mothers. No. issues, no nothing. How do you pick a. good mother then? That's an even That's. an important question, I think. Because. a lot of people, they'll just, you know, I don't never do no ejaculation inside. of a woman in my life. You know, you'll. never know. You know that what a good. mother is. But those that have kids, oh, you don't think you can tell? Just get. like there's no way to tell. How would. how would you? It's impossible. Well, I'm just saying if you meet a lady and.

they're a good lady. I mean, being a. good lady doesn't mean you'll be a good. mother, you know? And I only date women. that already have kids. You can get a You can take that kid off. to the sides. Hey, man. What's What. plays y'all calling around? Just It's. just weird. Just weird. She's running. Yeah. You got to have two or more kids. Yeah, that's a thing. Yeah, you got to. because I mean for me dating a woman. with no kids, they never have [ __ ]. food at home. Yeah. They always want to. go out to eat.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what it's like? No. Theo, I don't know if you. experienced this, but you know what it's. like to have sex with someone that has. kids and wake up at 3, 3:30 in the. morning, get a [ __ ] Capri Sun? That's good. Oh, ho, bro. That's [ __ ]. amazing, bro. I make with half a mouth. full of Lunchable, I'll make love all. night. Yes. See, that's what I'm talking. about. That's who I am, boy. With a jaw. full of them little shake, little ham. Them ham. That's important to me. God, I. love that. Having snacks in the in the. pantry, dude. Because you kind of get to.

be a kid and a a husband at the same. time in a way. There you go. Yeah. That's interesting. I just Listen, those. are those are my rules. Everyone some. people Oh, she has I don't care. Oh, and. if you wake up in the middle of night, you can play video games, too. Oh my. god. We on the same page. Wake up. I'll. go another room. Wake little [ __ ]. little Rand up. Hey, let's run let's run. Call of Duty real quick. Yeah, Randall, get up. Let's go do it. Let's run duo. School them. Like, you about to get. schooled right now, [ __ ] I love. it. I love it. Especially if they.

especially if she has older kids. Yeah. Oh, that's perfect. Oh, that's perfect. Dang, that's a great point. Yeah. I. mean, that's just me. Everyone else's. thought processes and uh thought process. and approach to dealing with women isn't. like mine. And that that that's fine. Well, yeah. A lot of people Yeah. They. just But it's risky out there. I think. having some strategy as to what you do. with your own seed is important. Very. Um did you you mentioned that your grand. your grandmother raised you? Was your So. did you did your grandma raise your. siblings too or just you? No, it was.

just me and my brother was raised with. my mom. Okay. That's how it ended up in. LA. My mom was in LA at the time. And so. my grandma after I graduated high. school, I went to Langston. University. Yeah. NIA school in in. Oklahoma and I got thrown out for. fighting. So I went back to Miami after. getting expelled. And my grandma was. like, "Listen, I've done all I can with. you. I wash my hands." And that's how. Damn. You was in a bad spot. Yeah. That's how I ended up in LA at Santa. Monica. Why was your attitude bad? No, I. just like to fight. You like to fight? Unfortunately, fist fighting. Yeah, I.

like fist fighting. Like I'm going to. beat James Harrison ass. You fighting. him? Yeah. James Harrison from. Pittsburgh Steelers? Yeah, I'm going to. [ __ ] him up. I thought he passed away, man. No, no, no, no, no, no. He's he's. glad he's okay. Yeah, he's he's he's. alive and well. And bring up a picture. of him. Well, not for long once you get. him up. Yeah. Listen, bring up a picture. of him. Doesn't he have a child named I. thought he had a son that played James. Harrison? Yeah, he's a coach, isn't he? No, no, no, no. He done coach. Oh, no. He ain't a coach. God, he doing calendar.

work. Yeah. God damn. He doing He on. [ __ ] Only Fans. Look at this [ __ ]. over here. Yeah, that's Debo. That's. Debo. God, I ain't going near his cage. Yeah. God dang. They [ __ ] Yeah. He's. He's huge. He's a junkyard dog. He He. looks intimidating, doesn't he? Yes, he. does. Yeah. I don't give a [ __ ] You. really going to fight him? [ __ ] him up. God, I'll stand I'll coach you, bro. Yeah. I'll do your water in the back. I'll put ice on your neck. Yeah. Very. good friend of mine. But you know, sometimes it come you got to come. Hey, look. Sometimes you got to establish. dominance as a little man. Sometimes it.

is what it is. Boy, remember why are. y'all fighting? Y'all are upset with. each other. I just don't like his face. It's punchable. Oh yeah, he does look He. has a punchable face. Bring up another. picture of that punchable man. God dang, bro. Now I wouldn't hit this guy. Bring. up the other picture. Go back to the. other one. Yeah. Now this guy. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. He's huge, right? And are. y'all fighting just for fun? No. MMA. style. Oh, y'all doing MMA? Yeah, he can. kick. He can you can do whatever you. want. Did you go to the Are you going to. the fight that's coming up here or they. just had one here? Yeah, I think they. did. I wasn't here. I was I was out of.

town working. Do you like to go to him? Yeah, I like I'm a boxing fan more. I. can't believe we haven't seen each. other. I like I like boxing better. And. who's this? James Harrison. No, that's. my crazy ass in there boxing. Oh, that's. you. Yeah. Oh, so you really like it, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I remember this this. was this was fun. Um, who was this. against? Um, Brian Maxwell. He does. Brian Maxwell does um bare knuckle. boxing. Yeah. Good friend of mine. I got.

Dang. What's tough about boxing, man, that people don't realize? Conditioning. Conditioning. You got to be well. conditioned. And for this, I only had. two weeks to get ready. And since then, I think that was in 2021 if I'm not. mistaken. And I've been training. since. Just having fun. Could you fight. a guy like you couldn't fight Jake Paul. though? I think the weight class is he's. so much so much bigger. He's heavy. Yeah, he's heavy. He's a heavy guy. I'm. only I'm what? Maybe now and put on a.

little size. I'm about maybe 190. Who's. somebody you would challenge out there. then? Who's like a real who I'm trying. to think of somebody who I just I just. want to fight Debo. I just want to fight. James. Well, he's willing to do it, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah, we're going to do. it. Who could I see you love? Then we're. gonna then we're going to be friends. after. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude, when. I remember when I was in school, if you. got in a fight, the principal, they made. you stand in the hall, right? And you. had to put your hands on the shoulder of. the person you fought, right? And so. y'all had to be by the end of the day, y'all were friends because you're right.

here the whole time. And the other kids. would get out of class and have to walk. by. And so by the end, this person. became your you had to get over whatever. it was cuz you had to be right there. next to each other. I like that. Um, what's a part that you miss about. playing? I mean, I know it's kind of a. general question. What's something you. you miss about playing that people. wouldn't even think about? For me, it. was competing in practice. Even just in. practice was fun, huh? I miss it. I miss. competing in practice. That's where you. got that's that's what's difficult. The. games on Sunday. That's fun. That's the. easy part. Practice and competing. preparation. I miss that. I miss.

watching film. I I really I really do. I. miss watching film, especially on. defenses and and in defensive backs and. knowing what they were going to do. before it even happened. M I knew it was. coming. Whether it be down in distance, first down, second down, third down, all. that shifting in motion that they like. to do, playing around in the secondary. I know what you're doing before you even. do it. And I I miss that. I miss being. prepared. So the entertainment value I. bought, oh yeah, was only done because I. had studied to a tea. I studied to a.

tea. You know, it's not like I'm just. getting up. So you goofing around. No, it looks like it. There's no way to have. that kind of success without. without knowing what I'm doing or. knowing what you're doing before I even. go do it. What do you think the NFL. could do differently now to make it more. exciting or to make it a better product. if anything? I mean, listen, it is the. best product. There's really there's. really nothing. Do you think so? I think. NFL's going down, man. No, I don't think. it's I think people like college better. Hell, some people like damn WNBA better.

I don't like Absolutely not. Some people. do. Some young men do. Yeah. I don't. Couple guys do. Yeah. The NFL will. always be the cream of the cream of the. crop. You think so? Always. I don't. There's something about it sometimes. I. don't know if the field should be. bigger. I don't know what should happen. Sometimes I feel like it like the guys. have almost gotten too fast where I feel. like sometimes with the running backs. This is what I do feel like you don't. get to see enough good moves cuz there's. not enough space for him to do them in. because everybody's so fast now. Yeah. I. don't know if that's true or not, but I.

feel that way sometimes. Like I don't. know if you could have a Barry Sanders. now. Not because you couldn't have the. same guy. You could. You just will never. have another Barry Sanders. That ain't. happening. That might be fair. That is. not happening. Absolutely not. That. might be fair. Not even close. Yeah. It. just looked like the, you know, like it. used to be once you got around the. defensive end wasn't going to get out. there to get you. Well, you know, most. of the time players back then were not. as fast. Now we have, you know, Dlinemen, even DTackles that running. four, five, right? But I'm saying, does. that does that make it tougher for.

somebody's backs to get out of the back. field? Mm-m. Not at all. You just have. to be that much better. Yeah. You got to. be that much better. Yeah. I'm wondering. why sometimes it feels like it's not the. same as it used to be. It's amazing. I'm. not saying that. I'm not saying that the. guys aren't extremely talented there, right? But sometimes I just wonder as a. fan. Um, are you a WNBA fan? Yeah, absolutely. I I had an opportunity to go. to my first game in Atlanta. You did? Yo, that [ __ ] was amazing in Atlanta and. the product in general. I don't know all.

the gripes that people have about the. WNBA. Yeah, that [ __ ] was amazing. I. know. Oh my goodness. The atmosphere. from quarter one, the halftime, dude. It. felt like I was at the club and I don't. even go to the club. And the first thing. I thought about was, wait, is this what. it's like when you, you know, when it. comes to the night life? I really. enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, it was nice. Yeah, dude. I had a great. time. I went to Las Vegas uh Aces game. Aces game. It was nice. Well, it's so. much fun. I tell my friends if they're. in Vegas like, "What show should I go. see?" I say, "If the Aces are playing, go see it because it's just such a uh.

Yeah, there's like I don't People love. the game. You could tell they really are. invested into the game, right?" And this. is when they had uh Kate Martin, they. had the ch they had the girl who won MVP. three years in a row. Uh. this when they had Asia Wilson, they. still have Asia Wilson. Yeah, Asia's. still there. Yeah. But dude, it was. unbelievable, bro. I had a great time. And we got to sit right bro that that we. were playing Dallas Spar uh the Dallas. Mystic I think is their name. They were. their coach was right there dude I was I. was chirping them during the game. It.

was ridiculous dude. Yeah I love I love. the WNBA man. I love the product they. have. Yeah I love the product. I would. like to invest in a WNBA team man. I. think Miami needs a team. I think in. Nashville needs a team. Yeah. That. that'd be nice cuz it kind of reminds me. I feel like of what you might see with. the NBA before everybody could dunk. Mhm. Mhm. And I don't mean that in any. type of way other than you have to rely. on good passing. Like there's a lot of. stuff you have to rely on where the NBA. doesn't have to rely on it as much. anymore, right? Um do you think you can.

still play or no? Me? Yeah. [ __ ] no. Come on, bro. You can't talk yourself up. this whole time. You can't even get back. out. Obviously, I got to be realistic as. well. The mind knows what to do. The. mind knows what to do based on years of. playing and in and IQ on field IQ, but. the body won't react the way I want it. to. Bro, you could play for the Titans. No. No. You got you guys have you guys. got a good one in and Calvin Ridley. Oh, no. I know we have I mean Calvin really. is one of the best, right? I don't think.

Atlanta should have let him go, but we. could use you over there, man. Yeah. Even just for the where we would come to. watch you play though. Now, what about. that element of it? Has any team reached. out to you in later years? Absolutely. not. No. to say we just to sell tickets. even. Absolutely. I could I can do that. That's what I'm saying. I can fill a. stadium up. Well, that's what I'm. talking about. Yeah, but not at this day. and age. No, but people would love to. watch it back then. Yes. Yes. People would love to watch it. Um. I'm trying to think of something else.

that we could talk about. Chad, anything. you want to talk about? It's on you. Yeah. Thanks. It's on you. Thanks, bro. Is it tough though? Let me think. about this. Realistically, when you have. eight children, you have eight children. Yeah. I want two more. You do? Yeah. I'm. probably going to do uh Is it called. IBF? I want I want twins. Oo. I want. twins and I'm done. Why you want twins? So, they you have to battle two. Johnson's on the field at once. No, not. really. I just want I just want to end.

on even numbers and Okay. And and on a. grand finale, you got to end with a big. move. There we go. A two-point. conversion. Yeah, I like that. So, we. we'll see what happens. We'll see what. happens. Do you have to pick your. children's names or your wife gets to. pick them? Are you Whoever I'm dating, the mother gets to pick. Yeah, they get. to pick. Really? They get to pick every. time? Yeah, of course. Is that a thing? No, I don't know. I just This is the way. I operate. I'm not worried about names. Really? No. So, the mother gets to pick. out every one of your children's names. Did you Did she say, "Hey, what do you.

think about this name?" Yeah, always. Okay. And will you some say yes or no? You say I say whatever you want to do. We rocking with it. Wow, bro. Yeah. My. son My son graduates from Arizona. Arizona State. Uh he's a Sunundevil. Yeah, he's he plays football there. No, he's he's he's done. He's done. He's. done. Yeah. How is it tough for your if. you have a child and do they feel like. they have to live in your shoes? How do. you have that? But how do you have that. conversation with them as a parent? You. do as as a parent, even though I play. football, if you want to play, that's on. you. If you don't want to play, I'm. supporting whatever it is you want to.

do. I'm I'm not like I'm not one of. those those parents that push and push. you're going to do this. No, absolutely. not. Whatever you But do you feel like. the children feel some type of pressure. or no? just in their own. I I would hope. not because the pressure would be coming. from me. Yeah. [ __ ] the outside noise. That has nothing to do with anything. Whatever you dream and want to do, I'm. going to support it. Which one of your. children is most like you, do you think? Probably my daughter that runs track. University of Kentucky. Is she like your. mom too or No, a little bit. It's a. little bit of both us. Little bit of.

both us. Little little bit of both us. Like what. does she have like what tendencies does. she have? Do you think. that make her like you? Athletic. ability. Okay. Athleticism and and all. of them are athletic. I think honestly. her her sister who didn't run track, she's a aka she goes to Prairie A&M. I. think she if she chose to run track or. just be in athletics, I think she would. be faster, but she's the diva. She's a. diva. She's the Beyonce of the kids. Oh,

really? Yeah. She's the diva. Who was a. bigger diva? Do you think you or Terrell. Owens do you think? I don't think we're. not even divas. That's just a word. I'm. not sure why they use that word. It just. doesn't describe male divas then. No. Who's a better player? Tio. So, one of your daughters is maybe more. athletic, but she chooses not to do it. Yeah. What does she like to do? She's a. dancer. Oh, really? She's a dancer. She's MUA. She can um She can dress her.

ass off. Oh, so she's stylish. Oh my. goodness. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's my baby. That's interesting. That's my baby. Yeah. I would like to have maybe a. stylish little I have a daughter also. who's who's into tennis. Mhm. Cheyenne. called we call I call her chaa. So good. already. Eight years old. So good. Forehand, forehand, backhand. So good. You don't understand. We we're gonna. have this conversation. again maybe five years from now and I'll.

be like Theo, remember what I told you? There she is right there on tour. Love, love. Wow. Where does she play at? She. plays in Florida. Yeah, she Yeah, she's. in Florida. She's in Florida. I have a a. younger son, Savon. Football. Crazy. Here in Florida. Crazy. Yeah, he's Your. life must be pretty busy with having to. just be a dad all the time. Yeah, it's. easy. It's easy. I I hear people. complain. It's easy. It's easy. What do. you think that people complain about. that makes it seem tough? I don't know. I just You do also have financial.

ability to at least be that might make. it that sort of thing. I think that. might make it a little easier. You know, from a financial standpoint, it's easy, but also being present and being active. and being hands-on as much as I can. Yeah. It just I I just like it like you. know that feeling. I get such a great. feeling when we go on trips. You know, every summer we take trips as one huge. group really and just mobbing mobbing. through the airport with like 10, eight, nine kids. Oh, that's all the women too. The moms and the children. Oh, just the. children. Yeah, just Yeah, I take I take.

everyone. Dad and the kids all go on a. big trip. I love that [ __ ] Where did. you guys go? Somewhere fun that you. would recommend to another big family to. go like if they got cuz they got a lot. of church families out there. Mexico, Mexico, DR. Um, this summer we're going. to Dubai, all of us. It's just those. those trips, dude. Just going to the. mall when it's time to go shopping. Just. walking in like one big gang. I love. that. That's interesting. It's an. interesting way to think about your. future and how you're raising children. But do you worry that you can't give.

them enough each child like enough. mental and emotional connection or you. don't think about that as much or you. think it's okay? No, they're good. They're they're good. They're good. Yeah. I have no idea. Yeah. I just think. that you worry about that. That's a lot. of people's fear because it's. interesting because I think people used. to have more children. I think we're. having less children now. You see that? They're just about to give people money. to have more children. You seen that? Well, you know, especially in this. economy, too, I can understand why some. people a little bit more cautious. Yeah. On on having kids. Yeah. Um, who was an.

overhyped quarterback when you were. playing, bro? Overhyped. Yeah. I don't. talk about people like that. But if you. had to guess somebody if you had I'm not. doing that. I don't talk about people. So, it's a negative. Yeah. It's a. negative. Yeah. Nobody's overhyped. If. you made it, you're a oneenter. You're. there for a reason. You're You're there. for a reason. Could you tell if a guy wasn't going to. be like, do you feel like there are some. days when a player they could even be. great and they go into a game and it's. just a off game? Like does that really. happen? Yeah, you have off days. Michael.

Jordan had off days. I had off days. Some of the best Brady Mahomes, you have. off days. But your good days outweigh. the bad ones. Right. The me the average. of it. Yeah, that's a good one. That was a good. question. It was. That was a good one. Well, cuz sometimes it's like I got to. do a show or something and I I'm like, I. don't feel like today is just not my. day, but I still have to do it, right? Or you just Yeah. I just wonder at that. level cuz it's, you know, it only comes. down to 16 Sundays, you know? Yeah. And.

some out of that 16, you're going to. have a bad one. Yeah. You know, you want. to be as consistent as possible, but. being perfect, you strive for. perfection. So even if you do fall. short, but you're going to have bad. days. Do you worry with a lot of these. young people that now they have all this. Max Preps and all this video footage and. stuff so early? Do you think that that's. a positive or a negative? How do you. even look at some of that? Because you. have a child now who's 9 years old who's. watching himself either do well or not. do well on a on a film, you know? Yeah.

Well, that's a part of it. That's a part. of it. You have to evolve with the. times. The parents have to evolve with. the times that we're in now. Understanding that we're in a social. media era and everything is magnified. times 10. Everything's magnified. Yeah. I just wonder like if that's good. for a child's psyche or not. Me either. way, it's not going anywhere. It's going. to be here. That's your point. It's. going to be here. Yeah. You can't. romanticize the past if it's cuz that's. not going to come back. Exactly. So that. that at that point it all it's on the. parent helping the child.

understand water off a duck's back. No. matter what it is. Something goes bad in. one ear out the other. Next play. What. about with the the like NIL is real. popular right now. Like you have players. who will have do you'll have players. that will do get a NIL deal. Yeah. And. then there's like a couple of windows. for the NI NIL. Bring up how many. windows are there? Cuz there's some. before the season even ends or how many. transfer portals in the college season.

Typically two main transfer portal. windows. So a a winter a winter window. and a spring window. So you can have a. guy come in during the winter window and. I think they've had this get a deal and. then he leaves during the spring window. or he wants a better deal but he just he. had even done anything yet. Yeah. I mean. but that's that's the game it is now. It's a pay to play. Do you think that. helps college football though over time? Do you think it helps keep players in. college for a longer amount of I think. the fact that colleges in general are. billiondoll institutions or entities in.

general and have made so much money off. players likeness for so long and the. players really had nothing. So I like. the fact that players are now able to. take advantage of their likeness and get. get paid early because everybody's not. making it to the NFL, right? Everybody's. not gonna get get there. So them being. able to make some make some change, make. some cash now while they're playing, I'm. all for it. I'm all for it. But do you. think there will be players who don't. make it because they get money early. that it damages them? Absolutely. You.

don't think so? Well, it it it it could. You told me that guy gets that money. early and he's spinning it in the club. or he buying a a wagon wheel or a Jeep. uh a Jeep Wrangler. You're going to tell. me he's not going to want to Well, your. your end goal is NFL. So, you're saying your end goal is. always NFL. Getting money in college. shouldn't change shouldn't change your. long-term vision and your childhood. dream of making it to the But you don't. think that is it could somebody could. suffer? Absolutely not. Little bit that.

little bit of money is to help. family. That's help family. I don't know. if these guys are using it for that. though. Some of them might. Trust me, they're using they're using it for. family because you don't you know based. on where some of these individuals are. coming from. This is is a huge help. Who. a huge jump start to being able to help. their family. But the end goal, the real. money, yeah, is in the NFL, not NIL. What's the most somebody made in NIL. this past season? Let's take a look at. it. Probably four million, maybe five.

But you got people doing dog food. commercials and [ __ ] in their small town. and stuff. Getting Hey, get it. Get it. while you can. Getting six or seven. racks out there. Four years of college. right there. What's the biggest NIL deal. college. football? The highest NIL in college. football? Oh, it's Arch Manning. That's. right. 6.7. Yeah. How many years is. that, though? He only got three more to go. Is that 6.7 a year, you think? No, total. That's total. Yeah. So, that's.

different. But that's better than like. if as a that's like fifth round pick or. something. You got to remember ours. comes from money anyway. So, that that's. not it's not new to him, right? It's. probably not making it's probably not. making his biggest choice. Yeah. Um, how. often do you guys tape your show? of now it's based on the NBA playoffs. So we're off tonight. So we just did we. just did Thursday, Wednesday, and. Tuesday. We're off tomorrow. No, we're. off today. We're on tomorrow, Sunday, Monday, and we're on Saturday, Sunday, and wait.

all the time, huh? Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. It's fun. NBA games, NBA playoffs, and. we always have a NBA guest on. So I'm. enjoying that. I'm enjoying that. Did. you think uh do you think about other. like is there another venture you like. to get in or you feel like you're in a. good space? It seems like you're in a. pretty good space. Right now I'm good. because this is my off seasonason know. when football season gets here I'm on. NFL films I'm be I'll be on ESPN this. year with with Stephen A. So I'm good. This is this is my off time. What's he. like man? Is he really like he seems.

Stephen A? Cool as hell. Cool as hell. He's Stephen A has afforded me. opportunities I couldn't couldn't have. imagined. Couldn't have imagined. Yeah. So, I I like it. Especially being in the. space, being able to transition into. into media. Yeah. Has been really good. for me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You got to have. I think having that just being able to. have a voice, you know, and you still. have a voice in the sport that you love. Yeah. You still have some sort of a say. or at least an opinion and stuff, you. know, most opinion that's respected,

especially when it comes to football. Yeah. Um, when you look back on the your. experience with the Bengals, what is. what is like obviously, you know, the. play and everything like that. What was. Cincinnati like then? What was the. energy like then? It was good. It was. good. Especially that 2005 year, which. uh that was the year we were on fire. offensively. And obviously defense, they. were having takeaways like crazy. That. was our year. If Carson didn't go down. in that first round of the playoffs. against the Steelers, that was our year. to host a Tro ho a trophy. That was that.

year. Oh my goodness. The city was on. fire. I can just imagine now you know. with with the every year every year now. with Joe Burrow there you know you have. an opportunity you got a chance Rudy. Johnson was a beast remember yeah Rudy. Hoo those those are some good dudes man. we have a I have a group chat with half. of everybody in here is in there I'm in. there Johnson is in there we we got. Carson Justin Smith is in that group. chat I haven't seen some of these name.

Del Oh, Brian Simmons in the group chat. I haven't seen some of these names in so. in so long. Oh, look at Odell Thurman. Odell was really good. It's wild how some guys it's like. they'll have a great like Rudy Johnson. was huge for a few. He had a couple of. great years. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And. then you didn't hear about him. Yeah. I. don't I don't know where I don't I can't. remember where Rudy went after he left. And it's not even a judgment against. him. It's just like that's how it's like. things come and go fast in the league. Huh. It does. Listen, those years go by.

real fast. very fast. Damn. 11 and five. Yeah. Damn. And we were on. fire, man. And who was y'all's backup? Who came in. as backup quarterback? Yeah. Who was our. backup that year? Oh, John Kum. He now. coaches at Lakota East or Lakota West. High School in uh Cincinnati. Carson. Palmer's now coaching in LA. I I don't. know what school he's coaching at. And. Kitner just he it wasn't Y'all didn't. break through that second round. No, no,

no, man. The Steelers won that game, man. They won that game. Old John, that's my guy. Damn. I'm trying to think. of anything else, man, I could think. about. Do you love living down here in. Florida? It's all I know. Been all over. the world. B, I'd have been all over the. world and it's nothing like home. No. matter where I go, and I do all my. traveling strictly for soccer purposes. I'm a huge soccer enthusiast. Love. soccer. You think you could have played. it at a pro level? I would have had to. start when I was four years old. If I. started when I was four years old,

Intrinsic, huh? Yes. I love it. I love. it. I love the atmosphere, the energy. I. don't think people understand. We don't. look at soccer as a sport. Why you like. all they doing is running around. The. score is only one zero, but you don't. understand how beautiful that game is. You know, it's like painting a picture. And if you watch it and understand what. you're watching, then you'll appreciate. it more. That's your favorite sport. You. think? Oh my god. Times 10. Then. football. What's the best place to see a. soccer game at? You think for me? Yeah. Growing. up, I had the opportunity to see a river.

river game versus versus Boa Juniors in. Argentina. You'll never see an. atmosphere like that ever again. Dang. And I don't think people It's It's kind. of dangerous, but still Riverplate and. Boca Juniors obviously I've been I've. seen every EPL team. I've been to their. stadiums. I've seen every La Liga team. play. Um obvious Eláico, Real Madrid and. Barcelona is always a good one. So, a. lot. So, you've been to a lot of these. famous stadiums. Every last stadium. Every Yes. Every last one. I did the.

World Cup with Qatar with Fox. I was I. was the analyst for uh Really? Yeah. For. Fox World. A lot of amazing stuff, dude. I love soccer, man. Like, if you had to. if you had to ch if I had to choose. between going to a soccer game or just. watching and having sex, I'm picking. soccer every time over sex. Absolut. [ __ ] I don't care who it is. Oh, yeah. I don't care who it is. Like, that's how. much I love the game. The beautiful. game. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Let me.

think. Oh, yeah. I would probably go. Yeah. Sex sometimes gets a little bit. boring kind of. You think? Depends. Yeah. Maybe not boring. That's not the. best word, but I mean, listen, I did. amateur porn growing up. So, for me, it's You did amateur? Yeah, amateur. porn. Yeah. Yeah. It just The only. difference is I didn't get paid for it. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was the. amateur. And so were you and were people. doing C were people filming or Yeah, I. had a tripod camera set. Okay. Tripod. Yeah. Pulling every position. Yeah. So.

those tapes still out there? You think. they did? It earned me some good money. I Oh, you had a tape out there? No, I I. had a tripod and I just sold them. myself. Oh, bet. Yeah. Yeah. God, I. think I don't know. I don't I hope. there's nothing out there of me. No. Yeah. Yeah. Right now, probably back. then I don't even think they sell the. camcorders. Yeah, back then for someone. to be able to to blackmail me at this. point. Yeah, they might have some. drawings of me having sex though. There. we go. There we go. Are you Are you.

married? Some clay figures? No, I got to. get married. Man, you have a girlfriend? Not right now. No, I'm going to get one. now. How do you navigate that? I just be. care like uh are you are you cautious on. who you're dealing with based on now. being Yeah, I'm pretty okay. Yeah, because things happen. I mean, even with. your co-host, she gets gets, you know, like there's just a I think there's more. opportunities maybe. I don't know. Everything's weird now. I feel like it. feels just feels things feel kind of.

scary and you don't know even if you're. doing if you're doing the right things. that somebody. could take advantage of you. Yep. They. can. And then at the same time, you can. I have a lot of friends that are sex. addicts that get caught up just in sex. in that world and it becomes like an. addiction to them. Yeah. At time it can. be a lot of people I hate when people. call sex an addiction. I I really don't. like that because we we're we're. mammals. We're put on earth in general. to to have sex. Oh yeah. To procreate in.

general. We pump. And so I just I hate. the fact that we have all these. definitions. Oh, he's an addict. No, you're not. It's it's sex. It's. something that we as humans actually do. Some do it more than others and that. just, you know, it's cool. Yeah. Some. people enjoy doing it a ton. Some people. don't enjoy doing it. And some enjoy. doing it with with multiple people, you. know, and just it is. You ever been to a. swingers club? I never been. You been? I. mean, yeah. I I used to I used to work. at one. Oh, you did? Yeah. I used to be. a jigalo for for rich rich rich wealthy.

uh women. Really? Tommy Lee was a. jigalo. He was? Yep. Tommy Lee from uh. Molly Crew. Yeah. Molly Crew. Yeah. That's dope. I mean, this is a jigalo. So, will you get hired to get out there. and take these women out on dates? Yeah. Get on dates. And, you know, obviously. they had billionaire husbands, billionaire boyfriends that didn't have. the time for them and they would I would. just fill that void that they weren't. getting at home because of them being. busy. So, the husband just so busy. I'm. just going to I'm going to treat my wife. to a date. At least she can go do. something nice. The husband didn't know. Yeah, it was a ad. Yeah, it was a ad. It.

was a ad in the paper. You put your own. ad out? Yeah, I put my own ad. And what. would the ad say? Ballpark. U based on. the information that what they were. looking for. I had a menu of services. that I provided and and was some of them. sexual or not? Yeah, some of them were. sexual. Someone would just be spending. time, you know, dates, movies, uh. conversation, massage, stuff like that. And most of the time it was more about. sex and, you know, um fulfilling that. fantasy of being with a black guy. Oh,

really? Yes. That's a marketable. fantasy, huh? Of Mandingo descent. Oh, damn. Yeah. And how do you know if. someone's Mandingo or not? Well, any. anything. What region is that? Uh, the. lower region. Bring it. up. Where have I been? I've been to. [Music]. Tanzania. Mandingo on a map. Yeah, there we go. Okay. West. Africa. So, if they want to see that. West if they want that West Africa. energy. Huh. Yeah. It's it's it's it's.

more of a a term in referencing uh the. private area. Mandingo. Oh, it's a it's a wiener term. kind of. Oh, dang. I didn't know it. I've heard it. Right. Right. Mandingo. guy or whatever. Yeah. Um Okay. So, you. had women trying to just be with a black. man. Yeah. They just wanted to fulfill. that fantasy. And were they paying fair? Were they paying a decent amount for it? Yeah. I mean, for an hour I can make. anywhere from 3,500 to five grand. My. goodness. Yeah. God. Would you wear your.

jersey or not? No, this is before I even. I hadn't even made it yet. Oh, wow. Yeah, cuz at that point I wouldn't need. the money if I'm already in the league. Oh, yeah. Bet. So that's way, you know, um, in college, you know, I used to. strip, too. Did you really? In LA at the. right track. Damn. Yeah. I was I was a. dancer. They used to call me Twix. Really? Why? Cuz I was skinny and had a. lot of veins. Oh, yeah. Like the Twix. Yeah. Dang, man. Was that a fun sport? It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. And. u Did you do the splits as well out. there or No, I I didn't do the splits. I. didn't I didn't do the splits, but um.

what I did come to learn is the women of. of 200 plus pounds or more, they tip. much better than everyone else. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they did. Did they? Cuz they. want Yeah, they they tip they tip. Well, and would you ever get hired by those. women for sexual at times? At times. Yeah. At times. Yeah. And is it more. challenging? I feel like. do you have to do more for a more of a. Reuben woman? I've been with some. probably mediumsized girls. I never been. with like a a real more of a larger.

bigger larger maybe. Yeah. You know, like I never been with like a big X the. plug type 200 plus. I I love I love. Yeah. I love that. God, I I just do. I. just Theo I got so many good stories, man, from back then. It's just We'd be. here all day. And would you But would. you guys ever go to like a a drive-in. movie or what would y'all do? Holy [ __ ]. Speaking of drive-in, I haven't been to. a drive-in in years. I don't even know. Do they still have drive-in theaters? Especially here in Florida. That would. be a great date. I'm so glad you brought.

that up. Yeah, I would love to get to a. drive-in out there with a lady. Yeah, that that would be dope. Was it ever scary going over to a. woman's house, though? Absolutely not. No, because I already know. Yeah. No, nothing to be scared of. Nothing to be. scared of. I'm just I'm going to perform. to put on a show. M. And was there a. certain amount of time you had to do sex. for? You could just Was it like. part-time or full-time kind of? Well, it. depends on what she picks from. Yeah. Yeah. Depending on how depending on cash. or check. No, I don't do checks. Cash.

Cash up front. Damn, bro. Yeah. So, you've always been entrepreneurial, huh? Yeah, most definitely. You got to start. Got to start somewhere. And would you. wear a special suit or a bandana or. anything? No. No. Just just banana. hammock. Just casual attire. Huh? Oh, yeah. Got you. But will you lotion up. that wiener or whatever before you. lotion up everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Oiled. up. Yeah. Especially when I come on. stage. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, you don't even. knock. You just slide through the lock. Right on in. Come on. Right on in. Damn.

Oto sinko, man. Well, uh I would love to. go to a game with with your uh whenever. you go watch your daughter in Kentucky. Yeah, most defin. It's out. It's outdoor. season right now, too. It just started. So, when I get up there, you got to come. on down. I'd love to, man. Um, do you think. that some players secretly lobby to get. into the Hall of Fame? I think I think. so. I mean, right rightfully so that for. for those that understand for them if it.

means that much to them, you know, being. a part of that that that entity of. special people. Yes. But then there's. some players also like like myself that. feel that I don't really need the. validation. I understand who I am and. what I did during my time and I'm in. general I I don't really need it. I hate. the fact that there are certain people. that sit in places that have a that are. in a position of power that can control. individuals that no longer play. It's.

like puppets. They uh oh I know you want. to be in here so bad so I'm controlling. whether you can get in or not. That I. would never give I would never give. anyone the satisfaction the power over. me. I don't care about your [ __ ] Take. it. I mean, listen, it's it's great. It's a great achievement, a great. accomplishment, but come on. I have too. much going on now still, right? Every. day you have a lot of adoration and. things that you get you get, you know, to still be Yeah. active. Yeah. In a and. admired in a sport that you enjoy. Who's. that? When I put when I put that Hall of.

Fame jacket on myself. Oh, yeah. Good. for you. I think there are. 269 members in the Hall of Fame, but. that jacket right there Mhm. that's one. of one gang. Gang. Hey, that's the. truth. That's one That's one of one. There's only one of those, dude. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, but you start. your own little hall. Yeah. Listen, the. Hall of Fame is is is unbelievable, you. know, to be able to get there. Oh, yeah. I'm not discrediting it. Yeah. Me. neither. I'm just saying, but I don't. like the power it holds over players. that are retired because they're.

clamoring trying to get in because it's. the same with like these Emmy Awards and. Academy Awards for acting stuff. I. respect that it's a it's an award that. people have admired and stuff, but if. people out there like uh blowing. directors and [ __ ] to get the award, it's like or or or they're like having a. you know go pity patter to them cuz they. hope they vote for them. Yeah. I don't. like that [ __ ] That's that's that's not. me. It never has been at all. Yeah. In. fact, take me off the [ __ ] ballot cuz. I don't even want you to be able to tell. me no. That's how I feel. I don't even.

want you to be able to say he you didn't. get it. Right. I never wanted it. You. know what I'm saying? It's almost even a. better take, right? Um, with the future, like I know Shannon is going through his. stuff right now. With the future of. y'all show, does it do you guys worry. about that? Does it impair it or do you. feel Unk is going through his issues, right? And um. whatnot. And asked me to be a part of Night Cap. and I'm gonna ride that wave because he. asked me to come on. I'm not jumping.

ship because of his personal stuff that. you handle whatever you need to handle. I'mma always be here. Yeah. I'mma be. here. You know, if the ship go down, [ __ ] I'm going down with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so when the ship. was going good, I was right here just. because it's just because it's [ __ ]. rocky. I ain't going nowhere. I'm not. going I'm not I'm not going nowhere. So, I'mma let Uncle do what he needs to do. We going to keep on filming. We going to. keep on trucking. We going to keep our. head down. Um he knows, you know, what. he needs to do on his end. And I'm going. to make sure I take care of my end and.

do what I need to do and show up. That's. it. That's it. Yeah, man. It's, you. know, you know, it reminds me of is when. Bill Bich, remember when Trump, people. got on to Bill Bichc about Trump and. what did he say about him? Remember when everybody was against. Trump? Remember that [ __ ] They still. are. That's a good point. They could. Yeah. Yeah. Now, even for different. reasons, man, how they're handling like. some of the Middle East stuff. But he. said, "My relationship with Donald Trump. isn't political." because the media was. really getting on to him, right? He.

said, "My relationship with Donald Trump. isn't political," Bellich said on the. dynasty. I knew him long before he got. into politics. Donald is a friend and I. wrote a personal letter. Um, might have been it. But he just he he. stood up for the fact that this is my. friend, right? This is my friend and. people can there can be other stuff that. he has going on in his life, but that. isn't I'm not going to not be a friend. then, right? Um, so it just kind of reminds me of. that. Um, anything else you wanted to.

talk about, Chad? Um, probably got a lot. of good stuff. I feel like you think we. had a good conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Sometimes it's. hard. You know, sometimes you have days. where you're like, you got it. You got. everything going, everything's okay. Sometimes you have days where you're. like, what's even going on? It's weird. Sometimes you get scared. Sometimes you. don't. Yeah. Or nervous about certain. moments. I don't think black people get. as nervous as white people do. Do you. think that that's true? It depends. It. all depends on the atmosphere. All. depends on the.

atmosphere and the. situation. I mean, driving the car and. the cops pull up behind you, we get. nervous. Yeah. And I'm like, "Hey, buddy." Yeah. You Yeah. You guys, not so. much. You get nervous. That might be a. good point. So, in different moments, but I think also a good thing that a lot. of black folks have is white people, you. could tell when they're nervous because. you could see it in their skin. Yeah, we. give a lot of too many clues away. So, I. think I got to start wearing some some. some rouge or just like a I got to start.

wearing some bronzer. Um, thank you so. much, Chad. No, thank you. Best of luck, man. I love your energy, bro. Thank you. for being somebody that continues to. entertain people. Um, you know, it was. just interesting to hear what your life. has been like and how you kind of choose. uh somehow you're able to remarkably. choose to still just be yourself no. matter how kind of hectic things get. Doesn't matter no matter what I always. even kill at all times.

And your even kill is even even kill and. evil too to a lot of people, you know. It's wild. But that's who you are. Yeah. Always been and will never change. I. will always remain authentically myself. at all times. Well, it's been fun to. watch, man, on the field and off. And uh. yeah, thank you for your time, bro. Thank you, boss. I appreciate it, baby. Yes, sir. Now, I'm just floating on the. breeze and I feel I'm falling like these. leaves. I must be corner. stone. Oh, but when I reach that ground,

I'll share this peace of mind I found. I. can feel it in my. bones, but it's going to take.