Candace Owens | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #688

She's an investigator, a media. personality, and a seeker of truth. Her. namesake show on YouTube is immensely. popular. Um, she's here. She's pregnant. with her fifth child. Uh, she's my. friend. I'm grateful for our time with. today's guest, Miss Candace Owens. >> Shine. on me. And I will find a song. I've been. singing.

[music]. >> You look good. >> I look okay. >> Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't want. to. >> But you can't say no. You can't say the. other thing. >> Well, I can't. >> Yeah, you couldn't be like, "No, you. don't look good." And people be like, "Wow, yeah, that was aggressive.". >> Well, you can't also be like, "Yeah, you. look good." Like it's like when someone. is pregnant, it's a weird time to. associate with them sometimes because it. feels like. >> well yeah, how do they look? You know, [laughter].

what's going on? And what do you say. that's supportive? But what do you also. like cuz you also have to shut down any. like sort of like, you know, you can't. be flirtatious. Not that I'd be. flirtatious cuz I know I don't mean like. that, but it's like any energy that's. like. >> Would you normally have that energy. towards someone that was pregnant? >> No, I don't think so. I think I don't. know what I'm talking about. [laughter]. Let's have her check your makeup. Does. she look okay for you? >> Just so you know, the first thing you. said to me when you walked in the door. for dinner, I don't know how a couple. months ago, but you were like, "I forgot.

you were pregnant, you weirdo.". [laughter]. >> Really? >> Yeah. That's your pregnancy greeting. >> There we go. >> It works. >> It actually does kind of work. >> That's a good one. >> Well, I remember actually this is true. I walked into your um kitchen. This was. like maybe like a month, a couple weeks. ago and there was some lady from behind. who was like making something on the. counter or something and I was like, "Oh, dang. They got a little thicky in. here. They got a little little lady from. Atlanta working over here." And then I. didn't I forgot you were pregnant. And. he turned around.

>> It was me. >> And it was [laughter]. I didn't even hear you say that. I'm a. little. >> No, I didn't say it out loud. No, I. don't mean. >> in your head. >> Yeah. I said, "Oh, dang. They got. >> And now you said it out loud. >> Dang. Dang.". >> But I meant like they got a little. shorty working in here. Or they had a. woman that was just a little more. rubesque. >> Yeah, that's a good word. >> You know, >> rubinesque. >> That's what I meant. They had a woman. that's a little more rubk and I was. like, "Oh, dang. They got a little mommy. working in here." [laughter]. >> A little mommy. >> And then there we are. >> I know. >> And I was right. >> I know. I'm I'm here cuz I feel like. this is going to be good luck. And then.

I'll have a I'll have the baby. Cuz last. time I did your podcast, I feel like the. baby came right after. Really? >> I did you and I did Tim Dylan and then. the baby came. So now I think it's like. a ritual. I'm going to do you and then. I'm going to do Tim Tim Dylan and then. the baby will come. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, look. Yeah. I hope we're. good luck somehow. I think if the baby. hears us talking, it's like I got to get. out there and help this lady. You know, things are [laughter] things have gone. downhill. >> Oh my god. I can't believe I'm about to. have the fifth. >> I know, dude. >> It's crazy. I've been in a permanent. state of pregnancy. I don't think people.

respect that enough. Like, I'm basically. a queen ant. >> You do not act like someone who's. pregnant. I'll say that. That's what I. think that's part of it to me anyway. You may act like that around other. folks, but I think I never get this kind. of like I you know like you're like. crawling across the floor like barely. getting. >> I know. But that's the problem. I'm. going to start doing that because I feel. like people will have to be nicer to me. if I start pretending I'm in a state, you know? >> Yeah. >> People are people so mean on the. internet. I feel like if I'm just.

>> Of course they're so mean. >> Oh yeah. What am I talking about? And I. feel like if I if I. >> that's why I'm not good at asking people. questions. People always like, "Dude, you ask. >> it's a lovely place, the internet." And. I feel like I'm like, "How are you doing. this to me? I'm so pregnant right now.". But I feel like if I lean into the. pregnancy and I pretend to be more. miserable and like I can't do it, then. people will have to be nice. So, I'm. going to try that for these next three. weeks. >> Oh. >> A little bit more pathetic. >> Oh, yeah. Because you don't do pathetic. Well, >> I know.

>> you don't do it. You're just still going. and cruising. you forget that you're. pregnant where some people kind of lead. with the pregnancy, you know. >> Um, but yeah, people are rude. Yeah. People are like, "Oh, that's not even a. baby. That's a data center." Some people. have said. >> what. >> that she's got. Yeah. Like. >> Wait, I haven't seen this part of the. internet. Now you have to tell me. >> No, I saw somebody. It's like, "Dude, she's not even pregnant. She's just. building a data. They're building a data. center in her womb or what?" Just like. crazy. >> What? >> Yeah. I actually feel like I go down.

every rabbit hole, but I have not gone. down the rabbit hole where there are. data centers in your womb. >> It's new stuff, Candace. They're doing. new stuff. [laughter] Look, that's when. we start to be out of touch. That's when. you're like, "Oh, I can't even. >> I can't follow this. >> I'm out of touch.". >> You know, there are some conspiracies, I. have to say, and I love conspiracies. like every rabbit hole. >> You know, I'm down there, but there are. some where I'm just like, "How did you. get here?" And that would probably be. one where I'm like, "What do you mean. I'm carrying a data center in my womb?". >> Yeah. just a router for the government. or people or like she's Yeah, she's just.

she's like transporting data for Russia. Like people will say all kinds. [laughter] of stuff like she's like. >> what website are you on? >> She's a data mule or whatever. These. aren't even kids. It's just like, you. know, >> it's so crazy. I don't think I've ever. seen that one. I've seen people who say. that I'm not pregnant pregnant and they. they're not my kids and stuff like that. >> Oh, really? >> I think that happens. They never post. them. Everyone's doing the thing where. they post their kids and their kids are. turned into a product and then they're. taking these impossible family pictures. They're impossible. Once you have a.

certain amount of kids, you can't get. like the nice perfect family shot. And I. think because I don't give them enough. of the personal life, it kind of makes. them a bit fantastical. So, they sort of. write. >> the myth, the mythology. >> Yeah. >> of the kids. They don't really know what. they look like. They don't know anything. about my kids. So, >> do you do that on purpose? >> Yeah, for sure. I mean, everybody I'm. not judging people's style or whatever, but I personally just feel like that's a. big decision to make for your kid. >> And it's actually Skyler was showing me,

was it you showing me the clip yesterday. of like somebody, it was obviously a. comedic sketch, but it was just like a. kid walking around the mall with his. parents and random strangers are like, "Happy fourth birthday." And like saying. their name and know all these random. facts like, "Hope you did good at the. soccer game." and the four-year-old's. like looking up at them like, "How do. you know this information?" And that's. kind of my mentality where it's just. it's. >> strangers knowing a lot about your. children and being able to recognize. them and know them. I feel like that's a.

lot for us that we just It's not I think. something that we want to do. It. >> was probably not healthy. >> Yeah. But that I never I haven't seen. that bit. Can you do you have it, Trevan? Do you see that? >> Yeah, it's it's actually really. interesting. And I was like, I couldn't. articulate how I felt about it, but when. I saw the clip, I was I was like, "This. is exactly how I feel about kids on the. internet.". >> Oh, yeah. That's it. That was fast. >> Hi, Ava. >> Do you know that man?

[laughter]. >> Where would she know him from? >> Happy birthday, Eva. Eight already. Look. like you did ball with your friends. [laughter]. Ah, I see you're back playing football. Thursdays, Ava. Hope your dad picks you. up on time for once. [laughter]. >> That's great. >> Every time you share their life online, you risk sharing their personal data. with the world. >> That is pretty true, huh? >> That's kind of how I feel about it. >> Yeah.

>> It's just kind of a lot of information. and kids don't understand. My kids don't. even understand what I do. Yeah. >> And just now Georgie starting to like. ask questions when people come up to me. and ask for a picture and he's like, "How do you know that person?" And I. just say, "Oh, this is a friend from. school or you know, whatever." And don't. really address it because I don't need. to right now at his age. But yeah, I. kind of want to protect that for a. little bit. The And we don't know how. it's going to end, especially when you. see people whose kids are a part of the.

product. You know what I'm saying? And. they get to the age and they're part of. the product. I'm sure in their minds. they're like, "Well, we're making a. living off of this, so it's good for our. kids. We're making money." But I also do. think about how is it shaping their. minds as do they become more attention. seeking? Are they already thinking, "Do. I have likes? How many people like this? Am I reading the comments?". >> So, I don't I don't think we know the. effects of how. >> kids that are being raised on the. internet. >> We I was saying we pioneered it. Like, we did not have the internet. So, we. were lucky. Our parents had a beeper and.

then we. >> Yeah. When we went off, it mean your dad. was using usually [laughter]. >> and that was it. >> Actually, my dad was just working at the. hospital, but you know Yeah. Different. strokes for different folks. [laughter]. >> Maggie had to get into the get in for a. shift. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, different Yeah. Different. things. But for sure. Yeah. I I can't. even fathom like and how things are. going to affect us. It's like, man, it's. it's really scary to think of how some. of these things are going to affect us,

and we don't know. >> Yeah. And I feel like the kids that have. the most access to it, just looking at. the Hollywood demonstration, I mean, those kids are not. >> they're not looking their best. They. don't look tiptop. A lot of their kids. are just going through a lot right now. And you feel bad. I mean, you feel. really bad for them cuz they grew up. with a lot of attention. So, I don't. think it's good to replicate it and. >> get kids on the internet. But, I mean, >> it does almost starts to seem like a. disease in a way. Like I think for some. of those people like even if you look at. Britney Spears, she's out here like. she's out there spinning with those. knives and in front of her.

fireplace all the time. Like what what's. everybody's just like, "Oh, love your. first album." Like what are you talking. about? This lady's not doing good. >> No, Britney Spears I feel so bad for. because obviously I grew up with Britney. Spears. You had to pick a side. >> Look at this. And we actually But this. gets normal. Sorry to interrupt you, Candace, but this starts to get normal. Oh yeah. She just. >> who normalized that? >> She's just going to julie in something. in a few minutes. And so she's just. getting ready. She's obviously got a new. job as a sue chef or whatever. And the.

dogs are begging for help. There's one. video where somebody decodes the dogs as. shapes are making. They're trying to. make letters spelling out help in the. background. >> I know. I feel so bad for her because. she is an example of what like she. probably never needed to go into the. conservatorship and then she never. really came out of it because they were. forced drugging her. They were You can't. come back from lithium. Like they Yeah, they burned they burned her brain. Like. it's like melted her brain with lithium. It's crazy what they did to her. And.

honestly, people should be in prison. They should absolutely be in prison. And. I feel like it's a part of the broader. story that a lot of artists were trying. to tell. Like from Michael Jackson to. Kanye to Britney Spears, like some. Justin Bieber even was talking, you. know, what's actually manifesting in. Hollywood. And some of these people did. not survive it. I mean, Michael Jackson. didn't survive it. I don't think Britney. Spears is ever going to be the Britney. Spears that we grew up with, which is. super sad because I she I think she was. a sweet girl and she they just used her. I mean, the industry is we're now. learning how disgusting Hollywood is.

But I think Justin Bieber made it out. and I think Kanye made it out. gratefully. Uh but yeah, I think she. went through a lot of dark stuff. And. even that though, I wouldn't even let my. kids be in a commercial. Now that I'm an. adult, like obviously when I was young, I'm like, "This is so cool." Like these. are all these teeny bopper stars and. then Sink and Backstreet Boys or. whatever it was. But now that we're. adults, I just can't imagine giving my. children to like the Mickey Mouse Club.

and letting them It's weird. In. retrospect, it's weird. So, you wonder. who were the adults that were in charge. because I was the same age as these. people. It was normal. You guys were. adults. >> Let's Let's look up this lithium thing. really quick. Let me see. She testified. that she was immediately placed on. lithium. >> Lithium. >> in her June 2021 address to a Los. Angeles court. Britney uh Spears stated. she was immediately placed on lithium, a. potent medication typically used for. bipolar disorder or severe depression. She described the side effects as making. her feel drunk and numb, stating that it. impaired her ability to converse or.

stand up for herself. That's. >> she was on it for years. So, you should, if you look into some of the scientific. studies on what lithium does to your. brain over that amount of time, that's. why I say it's not something that you. can just bounce back from. >> I would pray that she could, but that's. definitely what's going on. She was. drugged against her will. That's so. scary, the concept of being drugged. against your will. And then for a judge. to say, "This can just keep happening. permanently for how many years was she.

in the conservatorship?". >> And everyone's like, "It's for the. best." And when you actually reflect on. what she was going through, she probably. just needed to take a break. I don't. know, go to a secluded island where. there's no paparazzi, take some rest. You know, she was basically begging. people to leave her alone and nobody. would. >> under her legal conservative ship for 13. years and 9 months. God, >> 13 years of your life where you have to. >> But who was in charge of that? >> Well, >> was it a hodgepodge of people? Apparently, >> I think it was that woman who needs to.

be looked into for sure who was working. with Britney Spears's father. Taylor is. the name I'm thinking of. because there's a lot about that woman. She's another Calvary Chapel. Lou. Taylor. >> Lou Taylor. >> Lou Taylor. >> Yeah. I haven't gotten too deep into the. Lou Taylor conspiracies, but there's. definitely something there about. And. it's interesting because you know who I. spoke to. This is one of the craziest.

stories that came together, but. basically Russell Brand. >> introduced me via text to Courtney Love. few years ago and she sent me all of. this stuff. She was just it was like a. ton of messages, ton of messages. And at. the time I didn't know what she was. speaking about that like I cuz I didn't. grow up in Hollywood and she was. basically explaining to me that there. was sort of a mafia that when they want. your publishing rights, they'll go after. you. They never want people to like have. their own publishing rights. So that's. what Michael Jackson was fighting Sony. He wanted and he was winning by the way.

He was he owned the Beatles catalog. So. then what they do is they send out like. mafia press hits against you. It's kind. of like what I'm going through right. now, but it's just kind of failing cuz. we live in a different time. >> But they essentially will then try to. present you as a drug addict or and then. they will follow you and have like. paparazzi everywhere you go. And so. maybe you're just doing this and they're. like Theo is like in a crisis. He's like. >> he has pink eye or whatever. Yeah. He's. on a bender like. >> going down on strangers or whatever. >> Right. Exactly. Exactly. And so imagine.

every single day, every you can't walk. out of this room and there's just people. that are waiting there and then these. people basically have a mental. breakdown. You start to go crazy. What. happened to Kanye? >> It's Yeah. They keep calling you crazy, calling you crazy calling. Do. >> you think it's a that whole thing is a. design thing? >> Well, when she said it and she was. talking about she was like, "You got to. look into the Mormon mafia." She's like, "Le" and she said a bunch of stuff. allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly, I'm. recapping a conversation. So the. conversation itself is not allegedly. >> and she was like but this is a. publishing rights mafia and they you. know she conceded it's ownership.

>> She was talking to me about Kurt Cobain. and like it's all about ownership. She's. like you are not allowed to own. anything. So then when you start to. examine these cases independently of. Michael Jackson, Kanye West I haven't. looked too much into Britney Spears but. I should cuz you know me I got to go. down every rabbit hole. Um Justin. Bieber. >> Oh yeah. You're the chocolate rabbit. >> Yeah. [laughter] I'm the chocolate. rabbit. I got to go down every rabbit. hole. >> I mean you've kind of Yeah. I I will. eventually. >> Easter a run for its money. >> Yeah, [laughter] for real. >> You're probably America's most popular. chocolate. >> I I'm genuinely down every single rabbit.

hole. I can't stop. I When people give. me a tip, I'm like I kept chasing. chasing. But uh yeah, Britney Spears and. then Justin Bieber even recently where. they were really hounding and trying to. make us think he was having a mental. break. What was he trying to do? Just. get out of his contracts. He just wanted. to go back to being the kid on YouTube. with his and that's what he's doing now. And it's so cool that he's just all I. need is my guitar and my voice. I don't. He sold his whole catalog. He just. wanted out. >> Wow. >> So, it's cool. >> Yeah, that is that is an interesting. rabbit hole because it is I think people.

don't realize sometimes and I believe. that it is this mafia in Hollywood. It's. like the publicist. It's all this like. this um kind of teeter totter where. they're just like one is like you do. this and then we'll do and then it's all. this system, right? It's all this, it's. like a huge piece of racketeering going. on. >> It is. And it's also book publishing. rights and podcasts now. It's obviously. a new space or whatever, but they're. constantly like worried about who's. going to actually own this catalog when. you're gone because once they own it, they also can delete it. They can edit.

it. There's so many things that they can. do with your music. >> Well, music being used to influence. things, too. Like, that's another thing. It's just like, okay, well, then we have. these influential tools to be able to um. kind of put them into the masses in. certain ways at certain times. Um, I was uh Yeah, because Britney I mean. it's just like I mean they turned her. into damn Donatello out there. The. freaking ninja turtle. I mean she's out. here every other week. She has a. different weapon. She's spinning around. It's like. >> it's sad. It's so sad when you if you go. back and watch her. >> She's like a damn slap chop over there.

You know what I'm saying? She's a piece. of Yeah. They turn into a damn Smeg. blender or whatever. >> That's what But and the whole thing was. like, you know, we had to do this to. protect her. We had to put her in a. conservatorship because she was spending. her money. It's her money genuinely. If. you make $10 million. >> and you want to irresponsibly spend it. all, that that's actually kind of your. right. You don't need to put somebody in. a conservatorship to you have a right to. go broke. Is anybody put in a. conservatorship when they lose all their. money in Vegas. >> or if you get Yeah, that's a good point. >> It's your money. You earned it. You have. a right to lose it. It's like, what are. you talking about? Judge decides you're.

not responsible enough. Same thing with. Wendy Williams. I don't know what's. going on with that, but she's been. somebody took her. It's her bank. It was. kind of scary. I was like, "We need to. go back to a cash society because can. you imagine your bank calling and being. like, "Your money is mine." Cuz that's. what happened to Wendy Williams. >> Well, that's what happened to Kanye, too, wasn't it? Didn't his bank freeze. over? >> He got debanked. >> He got debanked. How do you even get. that? >> They they send you a letter and they're. like, "Sorry, we don't like your views.". [laughter]. >> That made that made me go local. I did. Like, I saw what happened. It was wild.

Like, how are you sending letters? Just. like, "Hey, Theo, I saw episode uh 279. and we're debunking you.". >> I'm like, "Okay, the banks have got too. much power.". >> Yeah, man. You lost your ATM privileges. for this week. That's how it'll be. >> For this past weekend. >> Yeah. Yeah. For this past weekend, you're cooked. [laughter]. >> So, when I started seeing that, I was. like, "Okay." So, we pulled out of the. the big banks and and sort of went. local. Going local for everything is. better. I 10 out of 10 would recommend. everyone goes local for their food, for. their banking. Knowing who these people.

are as a human beings, I think really. matters. And we who was it that got. debanked and it kind of sent a chill up. our spine and we were like, >> let's just leave them [laughter] before. they leave us because. >> I'm not considered to be. uncontroversial. So, if we're heading in. that direction, that's just China. though, credit score system. I feel like. that's where we're treading. If you. debank someone based on an opinion or a. belief, that's effectively a credit. score system. >> So like a like almost a social credit. score. Social credit score. >> Yeah, that's like that Black Mirror.

episode. That was um Do you remember. that one? That was so good. >> Black Mirror freaked me out. >> Really? It. >> I think it's why I'm so paranoid about a. lot of this stuff, even what we're. talking about with kids on technology, because I watched every episode of Black. Mirror. >> And black people got pissed about it, too. remember they're like, "Oh, a. mirror is fine, but it's a black mirror. and shit's [laughter] all up.". You know, >> I didn't even remember that. >> There was a lot of people online like. that. Oh, everything's fine with a. regular mirror, but people pull up with. a black mirror and now shit's gone bad. [laughter].

>> Yeah. I think they just meant the. screens are black. I know. I know. >> That's hilarious. I I'm sure that cuz I. feel like that kind of came out when. there was a lot of that going on. People. were looking to be offended. But that. was a That episode was scary. >> Oh, the best. and she had to like be. nice to somebody and then this and then. her her score was down and then that's. how she felt about herself. That's the. scariest part is when the score goes. down. Yeah. Uh Black Mirror becomes. reality with China's social scoring. What's the episode called? Can you get. me that nose dive? It's called Yes. >> Black Mirror Wikipedia. That was so.

good. >> Are we far from that though? >> I think we're we're I think we are. literally in it and we just don't know. >> We are obviously in it 1,000%. And. that's they that's when you see these. like mobs descend. And that's what. cancel culture is all about. That's. actually trying to develop a social. credit score. Like you can't perform in. this arena because you said this, you. can't do this, you can't do that, you. can't partake in society because we. disagree with you. And then it gets even. scarier because at least she had minor. offenses in the episode if I remember.

correctly. Like it could be anything who. you were hanging out with. But now it's. even scarier because you can get. cancelled for doing the right thing. like they can dip your credit score for. doing social credit score for doing the. right thing like. >> like speaking up about something like if. somebody speaks up then. >> Gaza and then suddenly you can't play. the stadium like we just saw last week. >> Yeah. >> So think about that where it's basically. saying you have to be a bad person to. partake in society. And I think that's. what we've been going through kind of. for like the last three years.

>> Yeah. >> I mean at least I have. I don't know if. that's a personal story but [laughter]. >> well and we can get into some of it. I. mean, and it well, I do it's tricky. And. so, you have to think like, well, one is. like, yeah, I think I've even mentioned. this to you before. It's like like you. have to start to find new ways to put. your money certain places. That's the. only thing to affect change. It's like. where do you where do you put your. money, right? Because it's like we have. to find like almost new systems of um of. everything, right? You have to find like. a whole new way, like a whole new place. to put your money because as long as.

they um like kind of these larger. bodies, these bigger entities, Black. Rockck, these bigger things own. everything and you just and we keep. having to pay them for everything, you. know? It's almost like you have to. create this new capitalism or go back to. like a smaller structure or something, you know? I don't know. >> Like when you're just trading with your. neighbors. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I should have I should have. brought you over some lettuce today or. some tomatoes. >> Yeah. >> And we could just trade it. [laughter]. >> Oh, yeah. I could trade you. Yeah. I. think I have some fresh uh I think I. have some fresh basil or something like.

in a something that a woman gave me when. she left me or whatever. But I do have. um Yeah, I think I have some basil. I. could trade you for that data center. You. >> very nosy. Can I just prod a woman left. you some basil kind of. >> just like a little I wish things had. worked out. A little plant pot with a. little basil in it. Little thing like. that. >> Like a breakup basil. >> Yeah, break up basil. [laughter]. >> That's fantastic, >> dude. That's a great idea. That's That's. fantastic. I love this girl. Actually, I think I met this girl.

>> Break break break up Basil. >> Did I meet her? >> Oh, no you didn't. That was just a. friend. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that came to the uh. >> Yeah, that's okay. >> Where'd we go to the. >> the farmers market? >> Farmers market. >> and she was looking for uh. >> she was looking for something. She. wasn't [clears throat] looking for me. I. know that [laughter] I walked over there. for about two hours and didn't get a. sense that. No, but that was just my. friend. That was someone I was trying to. see if it could be like a coworker. Yeah, I like breakup basil. That's. sweet. >> That break up basil. Bye. [laughter]. >> It's an oregan no for me. Oregan no for.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. And so that's Yeah. I mean I love. seeing your kids. Your kids are freaking. hilarious. They love you. They are. >> They love you. You walk through the. door, they just light up. They just. >> Dude, I freaking light up. >> Yeah, you have to have kids cuz you're. just meant to be a dad. >> They are a Well, thank you. >> They're just like. >> They're so funny. >> They're very funny. >> They are very entertaining. They're. smart. >> They're very confident, our kids. So, they'll just kind of go right up to you. and speak to you. >> Oh, that's a good point. >> And I think that is partially because we. abstain from the technology and you just.

need to go actually communicate and. speak. And. >> Oh, yeah. Obviously, I'm not one that's. at ever at a loss for words, so I'm. overcommunicative with them about. everything, but they are very funny. >> They're very funny. >> Yeah. They just adore you. >> Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I I'll tell other. people like, "Oh, yeah, Candace." Like, "Dude, she has the best kids.". [laughter] And like, "Dude, why are you. talking about this lady's kids, bro? Chill." Like, they're my friends. [laughter] Okay. >> In your defense, they are your friends. They absolutely love you so much. That's. a good point. You play with that. I.

mean, that's why I was like, "You have. to be a dad because you you're just you. just They're fun. >> The vibes are just there. You're just. meant to be a dad. You got to have a lot. of kids. You'd be great with boys, too, cuz I have so many boys and the energy. of boys is just on another level. >> I got to get a batch going. >> Yeah, >> something's going to happen. I can feel. it. It's in the I can feel it in the. air. Just got to keep. >> that hit me up the whole time on. Instagram like trying to slide into your. DMs. >> Really? >> Yeah. It's crazy. >> Well, shoot the slides. >> No, there's a lot of people that are. trying to date you all over the. internet. Like they girls love you.

>> What the heck? Where are they? >> There's a lot of them. I get like text. messages. I get Instagram stuff. They. are just all about you right now. >> God, >> you're you're in your prime. You got to. go out there. >> I got to get out there. >> Yeah, you got to find your You got to. get out there. I was going to take a nap later. I'm not now. [laughter] I'm. getting on my bike. >> I'm going to freaking bike around town a. little bit. I just got a new. eight-speed. >> Yeah, >> it was supposed to be a 10-speed, but. it's from China that they So, it's like. you lose two speeds in the mail or. whatever. It's just like that's where. [laughter] you know these Trump tariffs.

or whatever. It's like a you don't even. get all 10 speeds. >> We can't get anything in this economy. right now. >> Yeah. Your kids are funny though, dude. Yeah. And um I'm like, what did one of. my buddies say? I was like, "Oh, yeah, she's got the best kids." And they're. like, "Oh, do they ever play like uh pin. the tail on whoever killed Charlie. Kirk?". >> Yeah. They're naturally exploring. things. Investigative. Yeah. >> Yeah. They're just walking around with. like um little magnifying glass, you. know. [laughter] Let me see your. fingerprints. It's one of It is.

interesting to see which qualities the. kids get. You just never know what. you're going to get. I don't know. It's. just that's the interesting thing about. kids is the same two humans can just. create a different kid. You just would. expect it's just going to be you're. dropping the same kid over and over, but. they're just [laughter] all so. different. The person, that's what's. fascinating. >> When do you start to notice like what. the difference is? >> Right away in the womb. >> Really? >> This one coming crazy. >> Nuh-uh. >> Uh he's out of control. >> Oh my god. >> He's out of control. Yeah. What is it? And are you noticing something? Is it.

cuz like you're like have you been. having like a special sauce or like are. you doing certain condiments or. something that could be flaring them up? >> No, he just they are who they are in the. womb and I've been right about all their. personalities. Louise, we could not get. a picture of. She was sleeping. throughout the whole thing. You know, she kind of runs the place. She's. tricky. She knows what's going on. And. then her brothers are all different. Maxi was the chillest in and in the. womb. And. >> he's pretty [clears throat] gentle kind. of in a weird. >> gentle. Yeah, he's like sweet, you know, like he's so sweet and he's like he's my.

sweet kid. He was sweet in the womb and. >> like he'll be excited if you're going to. like throw him on the couch, but he also. wants to do it very softly and like kind. of like in a make sure it's going to be. in a comfortable manner, [laughter] you. know. >> Exactly. That's exactly Maxi. >> Unless Georgie and they all want to be. like Georgie. Georgie is just the. natural leader of the kids and he loves. rules. I mean, every single one of my. appointments [laughter]. and the ultrasound he they'd be like, "Look up." He'd be like like, "Man, this. person really loves a this little guy. really loves a rule.". >> Oh, wait. He could hear him in.

ultrasound. You. >> No, but it felt like it because he was. just cuz they're trying to get certain. shots during an ultrasound. So, they. want to check like their spine, heart, whatever it is. And sometimes you just. can't get a picture. Like Louise, forget. it. She just was not here for it. She. never let them do anything. She's in her. own world. But Georgie was just like on. the money. He hit every single mark in. terms of here's the range. He is. perfect, perfect, perfect for height, length, width, whatever. And that's how. he is. Georgie is just the It's all. about the rules. You tell him a rule, it. will be followed. So, you got to be. careful if you tell him a rule because.

then if you catch yourself outside of. the bounds of the rules, >> the rules come back. >> The rules come back. I mean, rules. aren't even rules. He'll tell me his. dad's gone for two days, and he'll just. be like, you know, daddy doesn't like. when that lamp's on. I'm a grown woman. I turn this lamp on when your dad's not. here. >> [laughter]. >> Dad Dad doesn't like this. >> Yeah. >> So, he's his I always say he's he's. George's mini. It's really sweet. But. >> Oh, it's cute. >> That's what's fun. So, you got to you. got to get yourself a litter. I can find. you a girl. What's your type? I feel. like I know your type.

>> I can get a freaking I think I can get a. It's just been like a little bit tricky. >> because now you have exposure. >> I don't know. I don't try to date like. fancy girls really. Like, you know, like. what's my type? Let me think. I don't. know. I mean, a woman for sure and good woman. >> Glad we clarified that. >> Kind eyes has to be able to be a good. mom. That's going to be that's pretty. paramount. >> Um, >> okay. When you say kind eyes, give me an. example of someone who has not kind.

eyes. >> Well, we both know what I'm. >> setting that up. [clears throat and laughter]. >> I mean, we both know [laughter]. >> she who must not be named. See, you must not be named. [laughter]. [gasps]. >> Do you think. >> she's a Halloween costume [laughter] of. a woman? >> It's so funny cuz I wasn't going in that. direction as as soon as it came out.

>> Be named. so crazy. [laughter]. >> The fact that the whole world knows. we're talking about who cannot be named. Well, people, everybody's. everything's insane, dude. [laughter]. The world has gone insane. And it's a. perfect time for Halloween, too. >> It is. [laughter]. >> Cuz if we're already living it, people. are like, "What do you mean it's. Halloween? It's Halloween every. day.". >> Every day. Every single day. You're. going, "What is going on?" I just want. some director to yell cut.

>> I know. >> Like, I hope we are living in a matrix. and the director can just like yell cut. >> Yeah. And then they just give you and it. all shuts down, you know, like your. wife's like, "All right, I gotta get I'm. out." You know, she's like, "I gotta be. home in 10 minutes." You're like, "Where's your home?" Like, it all shuts. down like Truman. Like it just ends. >> Yeah, that'd be kind of nice. I'd be. okay with it if they were just kidding. The whole last year we're just running. this experiment. You know, we're just. evil billionaires and we're running. experiment. Everything's chill. Because. the other alternative is terrifying if.

this is all real. And. >> you know what it is? We're just kind of. getting to a point now where we know. they're lying. You know what I'm saying? And they're still doing it. So, we just. go, where is this going to go? We know. you're full of it. We know you're lying. It's You can't gaslight to this extreme. and the whole world is aware of it and. >> and not have something happen. >> Yes. >> But what is it going to be. >> at some inflection point, >> right? >> Well, Netanyahu is up there yesterday. like he's talking about Hassan Pike or.

you know, he's talking about like people. on the internet like you're on the like. it just Yeah. It's all become. >> Dude, you just you just committed. genocide in broad daylight. >> and now he's you're at the White House. like lecturing us about what's right and. what's wrong and what laws need to be. passed. This is wild. This is a wild. update right now. >> It's a wild update. >> This is a wild update. And they're like, >> McLemore, get out of Get out of the. stadium. BB, come to the White House. >> Yeah, come to the White House. This is. like Mordor 1712, the update or. something like it's a crazy like this. update.

>> Crazy update. Maybe that's what it is. It's just an like a iOS update right now. and there's some bugs that need to be. fixed. [laughter]. >> Yeah, Netanyahu's running around his own. Starlink. [laughter] This is a Star Link. the bed the children dead. I have He. can't even smile. That's the scariest. thing about that guy. >> The way he lies and he I don't He can't. be human. I don't think he's a human. >> I don't think he is either. if he is a. human. I think that's the saddest thing. about him is that human people are like,

"How could something like this happen? >> One of us be like this.". >> But then so he must not be. He must be. some aberrition. >> Or [clears throat] maybe cuz I never. looked into it, but I I could believe. automatically the reptile thing cuz I'm. just like that must be a reptile. Like. that's just cuz a snake of some. description. >> Yeah. >> That I don't know is wearing a costume. because there's no way you can be this. person. But what's scarier than him. because we can just accept he's evil and. insane and deranged and has never been. told no in his life. But then it's the. people that we kind of thought were.

human who then just rally around him, people that we worked with, our. colleagues, maybe podcasts we listen to, and we just maybe in the back of our. mind we're like, "Okay, obviously if. push comes to shove this person. disagreements, if if the whole if the. whole genocide happens or holocaust. happens, this person's obviously going. to be on the good side." And then you're. going, "Oh no, wait, what's happening. now? Now I have to realize that there's. all these other people who are trying to. convince me this is okay. And then you. go, how long have these people been. walking amongst us? >> Yeah. >> These are like the white walkers in Game.

of Thrones. >> Like there was something we didn't even. know. They're being transformed. They're. just like now they're all like. >> marching. >> and it's a terrible season finale. Even. Game of Thrones didn't know what to do. >> They hit the inflection point. >> Yeah, [laughter] they really did. >> They just pieced out. >> like, "Oh we kind of started this. Don't even know how to end it. >> It's a terrible ending.". >> Yeah. Yeah, dude. But I It is at this. point where it's like now the White. Walkers are walking and they just been. walking for so long. Like when do we. stop walking? Like [laughter] what do we. even do? >> Seven seasons of us walking and we know.

it's bad and it's dreadful, but they. didn't really know how to end it. So. >> I think that's what Yeah, that's what's. going on here. It's just like I think. they don't know how this plays out. >> Yeah, I don't know how it plays out. under Unless they put you everybody. under like in like severe control very. fast. I think that's probably what they. would be thinking. I would bet, you. know, if you start to let everybody know. what's going on. >> like with the data centers, you mean? >> Yeah. The either the cameras or. whatever. But you have to be able to. just control everybody really quick, you. know, then because once people, you. know, >> CO was the test for that, I think. >> Oh, yeah. And we failed it.

>> I didn't. >> I didn't either, but we did as a group. >> Yeah. As a Yeah. As humanity. As a as a. group. >> I did not fail. I I did. I got. >> Was it a group project though? Was it a. group project or was it an individual. project? We should talk about that. That's a good question. That's important. to reflect upon. Was CO a group project? Yes. And we did fail the assignment. You're right. >> As a group, we did. >> Mhm. But I was the person in the group. that got it was like guys, >> right? >> Carrying the group, right? >> Instantly. >> Yeah. >> They said I was crazy that was going to. get grandma killed.

>> Yeah. Grandma's going to. >> die. Like. >> you're like, and meanwhile they have to. like they have to visit their. grandmother. Like they have to visit her. in a field from like 200 yards away. They're like using a megaphone and. They're like, "We love you." And she's. like, "My legs are itching." Or. whatever. They can't even hear. each other. Terrible. >> She's getting bit up by chiggers and. stuff in a field because she's like, "That's where they have to have her or. whatever.". >> And they let grandma die alone. I mean, the whole thing was crazy. >> Zoom funerals. People were on Zoom.

funerals. Dude, my buddy clicked over. >> Zoom funerals. >> Shout out to anybody who was on a Zoom. funeral today. >> Hold on. Do we just have a moment of. silence for for the people that went to. a Zoom funeral? Cuz that is just. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> No. I can't believe I forgot about this. I attended a Zoom wedding. >> Did you? >> Yes. It was my sister's wedding. I. forgot. It's such a a trauma has just. been unlocked. I'm about to start. crying. I forgot about this. >> Crazy. >> Yes. My sister, she had to she had to.

have a Zoom wedding. It's crazy. >> Wow. Yeah, cuz they just said she. couldn't, you know, that was it. And so. they wanted to get married. They already. had plans to get married, so they just. had someone recording and we just all. hopped on Zoom. That's not right. [laughter]. >> No, it's horrible, dude. Well, dude, I. went to a Zoom funeral and it was a. black funeral, too, dude. And it was. like everybody started beefing cuz. everyone wanted to play their own music. at their own house for the funeral or.

whatever. Like so some people were. playing like you know like boys to men. like can we go bang and some people were. playing like what you twerking we you. know like so it was just people had and. so like people started like music. beefing at this um it was like an urban. zoom funeral. >> Oh my gosh. >> And then the guy's up there and he. didn't even have he forgot to turn the. speaker on and You're like what is. even it's like grandma's going home and. we can't even. >> This is terrible. I forgot I forgot we. all live through this. We all have. unlocked trauma from [laughter] co. We.

got a Dr. Fouchy need to go to prison. I. mean, this is crazy. Now that we're all. here and realizing. >> No, he's not. He's coming out with a new. pasta sauce. Somebody said. >> he coming out with a [laughter] pasta. sauce. Of. >> course he is. >> Can you look that up? Is is is it Fauci. with the sauce? For real? >> Can somebody tell me? Is it Fouchy with. the sauce? >> Yeah. Is I think he has a new pasta. sauce. >> I bleed the fifth. Is it called I plead. the fifth? >> It's called co vodka. No, [laughter]. >> it is. >> It's a new Italian. It's a co vodka. sauce. No, it's it's not. It's not. >> If you liked CO, you'll love Kova.

[laughter] This this and it has a. booster in it. Has also a booster. >> That's that they were discussing that. they're like people are vaccine. hesitant. So, we're just going to start. putting in the vegetables and it'll. naturally just like we're just going to. give it to you in lettuce. I also don't. like and I haven't looked into it, but. you know, I'm a vibe person. That whole. the entire announcement that Trump made. about we're going to get beef from. Argentina. And I was like, "Nope.". >> Yeah. >> Nope. Stamp the beef with Argentina. I'm. not buying it.

>> Cuz that's something like why do you. need immediate beef from some place that. where the the like uh rulings of how. they can process it and stuff are. probably different? Probably safer even. though. >> no buy from American farmers. It's the. one thing that people can do. Is it a. little more expensive? Yes, it is. And I. get that that's hard. But you know, you. and I always talk offline about like. what are the little changes that we can. encourage people to make? And that's a. huge one. getting your farmers and doing. whatever you can to support them and. trying to avoid but definitively I can.

tell you whatever is going on with that. Argentina beef something's not right. >> Oh, that Tina. >> I think they're going to give us more. parasites or something. Something is not. right with that beef. >> there. I think they could have been. launching some something new into the. community cuz that Tina beef be hitting. >> I I mean I'm the Tina [laughter] beef is. going to have parasites. That's my. assumption. I need a beef. >> It's going to have parasites because I. think we're waking up too fast and they. got to just get parasites in our stomach. as fast as possible or something. >> It's going to be a long Halloween.

>> It was random. Such a random. announcement. Like here's what I'm. doing. >> We got 3,000,000. tons of Argentina. >> It's going to be cheaper. >> Yeah, it's going to be cheaper. >> I know. I'm happy to spend a little more. money on my beef. Actually, >> I want American beef. >> Yeah, I'll just fast. >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? I'll do. something. But yeah, when you think when. you kind of step outside and look at it, you're like, yeah, something's wrong. here. This isn't. >> Yeah. >> Like what's wrong here? >> Just woke up on a random Tuesday and. just decided Argentina beef. I was nah,

I'm okay. And it's so such a reverse in. everything that he was doing during the. first term. >> Yeah. What do you think happened there? What do you think really happened? Do. you think that he was a like Well, there. was always a ledge that he had like he. he's had like a past that was definitely. splotchy, right? >> But that's every American, right? >> Absolutely. It was splotchy. That's. every American, >> right? And there was something even. almost relatable about that, >> right? >> People thought he was going to be there. was going to be a possibility there, right? Like, oh, this is Yeah, this is a. guy who was on a TV show. Um,

>> who like he's at least in this realm, in. this rich realm, >> right? He's always been looked at as. kind of a loser in that realm maybe by. those people unless it's financially. based. He's always kind of It seemed. like it always been kind of made fun of. as an adult. Do you think so? >> Yeah. I mean, I think we all just. thought he was going to. >> like. >> Yeah. What do we think? >> Blueco collar, you know, he spoke like a. regular person and I think we thought. that he was going to sort of enact. common sense policies. Def I definitely.

was going to be anti-war. >> Yeah. >> And then 2.0 just hit different. I think. what happened was the Epstein files. >> Really? >> Yeah. I mean, look, he took 300 million. from Miam. At least now we know how much. it costs to to buy a presidency. So we. can all aspire to that. If we've got 300. million sitting in the bank, we can just. buy a presidency, right? >> And uh beyond that, I think the Epstein. files are problematic. I mean, when Pam. Bondi said that if they release all the.

files, she said something along the. lines, if they release all the files, it. would crush the global economy. Like. that's a that's a pretty strong. statement, and I want to make sure I get. that right. You can look that up. >> Pam Bondi says that if we prosecute. everyone in the Epstein files, the whole. system will collapse. >> And by the way, that's so close that I. feel like that's kind of what we want. So that seems aspirational, but you have. to wonder what's in there. And I think. we don't really need to wonder. We know. what's in there. >> So it's just global trafficking elites,

everyone blackmailed. Every politician. blackmailed all over the world. You. know, the kid stuff is a component of. it. Weapons trafficking, everything. crazy. >> That's what's in the Epste. >> It's like this Pandora's box. >> and the Truman Show people, the White. Walkers as well, like who they're just. >> MK Ultraing and are just in these. positions. I mean, that was kind of the. wildest part of the Breijg lawsuit was I. said one flyaway comment of Breijit. McRone was born at the beginning of.

>> on the date that MK Ultra became uh. became a program and they mentioned it. like 12 times in a lawsuit. >> I was like, this is a weird sensitivity. Why are you so sensitive about someone. mentioning MK Ultra? And I do think that. a lot of these people are hypnotized and. they're traumatized from their youth and. they are literal white walkers among us. and then they're kind of put into these. position of power into these positions. of power not based on a meritocracy like. just like you've gone through their. program or whatever the Epstein program.

so to speak and yeah. Do you think they. go through the program without even. knowing it and then they realize, "Oh, this is where I am.". >> I think they're No, I think they're. farming children legit, like trafficking. children, >> sending them to certain schools. >> I hope they're farming them locally. That's all I hope. >> No. Yeah. At least I hope it's just not. from Argentina. [laughter]. >> I hope it's not. >> But no, I Yeah, it's. >> But that's I think that's what's going. on. And so that's what we were looking. at in some of the series that we were. doing was how many times I refer to it.

as the mightest touch that somebody's. just like pulled through the ranks. that's not actually an impressive person. and yet they're were told that there. were some genius and you start looking. into their past and nothing makes sense. and they're actually kind of dumb. There's a lot of those people and then. they're put at the head of a company or. um at the head of a country. >> Yeah. >> Like like Manuel Mcronone gets a little. dicey. Start looking into his past. So. Emanuel Mcronone, that's the president. of France. >> Yeah. >> And that's And you guys are in a law, are you guys currently in a lawsuit. still? >> Yes. Yes.

>> Is it something you have to keep dealing. with? >> Yeah, you have to keep dealing with it. because that's one of the strategies of. how the state tries to take you out is. just to bankrupt you for asking. questions. And um with this was unusual. though because I think this is the first. time in world history that a sitting. president of a country has sued any. media person in another country. I mean, it's just weird. I mean, it' be very. strange if like Vladimir Putin sued you, >> right? >> Just be weird. >> Yeah. >> No, I don't care what it is that you say. about Vladimir Putin. Like, he's not. going to. >> Right. >> It would just be weird. It'd.

>> be weird. >> Weird to think that like, oh yeah, he's. coming to Nashville because [laughter]. he's got a court date with the Oop. Again, we're getting to this inflection. point where we're like, hey man, is this. real? Like the sitting president of. Francis suing Candace? Like, >> uh, yeah, >> it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird. It's kind of like getting to be like. Lost at the end of Lost where they were. just like, you know, >> running out of ideas. >> Yes. Like at the end of Lost where they. just did too many things like the black. smoke and the like. >> I never saw it, but I know what you mean.

when the like the writer room is just. they're running out of ideas. You just. got to shut the show down at that point. >> And I think Lost might have been the. original kind of it was our first kind. of TV co I think cuz it it was like how. much are people willing to go on such a. journey? lost was like a seven-year. journey that most of America was on. >> Okay. I was not on that journey. >> and ended basically. >> crazy. >> It didn't end. Okay. Right. So, it just. >> like Game of Thrones. We like we were. with you. We were on this journey and. now it's getting weird. And. >> so, they start to do that and then it's.

like then they make it a little bit more. in real life with like something like. COVID, you know. I think they've done it. in the in the in the mental health. sector too. I think SSRIs were a big. thing. depression that coming out. >> and then. >> like 20 years after that I think that um. uh bipolar disorder was something that. was started to be really really. diagnosed all the time and now it's. something I hear like everybody had like. I hear so many cases of it can you look. that up when was bipolar disorder I mean. Frankenstein was like the first or Dr. Frankenstein or whatever. But when is.

like current bipolar disorder? When did. that start popping? [laughter]. >> Crazy. >> When did it start popping? >> I mean, Halloween's just going to be. it's going to be a good one. Will people. dress up like you for Halloween? >> First century. >> First century CE. Yeah, but this that's. just I think like men dressing up like. women and stuff. Um Yeah, cuz I think. the last time that you were on here, we. we had talked about that they that about. that lawsuit. Yeah, but just think about. how weird that we're talking about a. lawsuit with the sitting president of.

like it's just Yeah, >> this is bonkers. They have to they have. to end. >> it's got to be we got to end the series. now, right? Because we're getting the. the ideas are getting too crazy. How do. we go beyond that? >> Is there is there a way that the lawsuit. will end? Like do you guys see an end to. it or. >> just imagine being in the court and just. going I'm sorry. What is the case I'm. looking at? I don't even. >> the sitting president of France. Like. you just you're the sitting president of. France. you're supposed to like now we. can't take a lot of these people. seriously. That's also what the problem. is with stuff like this is I feel like. there was this.

>> I want I don't want to say like um like. we almost like respected certain things. like we thought it was real. >> this illusion of power at least and the. illusion matters like we have to it has. to feel untouchable you know it has to. feel like it could be real it's. untouchable and it's aspirational and. then when you have like the sitting. president of France suing podcasters in. different nations you're like okay. you're not a serious person like you're. not a serious person like you're look at. the rest of Stop this pretense. This is. coming out of the LA palace. Just forget. it. You're just like a regular homeboy,

you know? And that's I'm really upset. about that. Like we now we have to. realize that everyone's an idiot. Everyone's emotional and they're all. they all so happen to be liars. And so. for them, they're like, "How dare you. expose me? I I have the state behind me, so now I can sue you." And it's like, even if you get beyond the lawsuit, like. how does this work? Like you're the. sitting president of France. Even if you. won the lawsuit, what's going to am I. going to be shut up here? You're going. to take money from my bank account here? Like what's. >> what are we doing? Talk about realizing.

that it's glo like the the entire system. is globalized. Like what are you talking. about? And then you have Trump cheering. it on. >> the lawsuit. >> Yeah. You have Trump cheering it on. saying that he hope Breijit triumphs in. court. I mean, who knows who controls. his Twitter feed or whatever. But um. >> have you communicated with Trump about. it at all? >> Well, he told me to stop talking about. Breij. He called me in February of 2025. I didn't even know that. >> Yeah, cuz I was doing a whole series on. potential msad ties and all this stuff. and I got a phone call from him asking.

me to just stop talking about Breijie. and Sergio Gore and I'm going where what. is going on? Does the White House care. about what I'm talking about on a. podcast and they wanted the conversation. to stop? But I think now in retrospect, which I've been talking about the. podcast now, I think it all actually. relates to the Epstein files because the. Epstein story is a France story. like. Glain Maxwell. They were this is a. French family and um we were look. getting into like the house of Maxwell. and her father Robert Maxwell being the. central piece. >> It's deep.

>> It's deep. And then you realize that his. partner was Jean Luke Brunell. It was. the modeling agencies. It was all. French. >> And so I didn't put two and two together. really until um after Charlie's passing. the French modeling agent and founder of. Karen Models and MC2 model management. backed by Epstein which was financially. backed by Epstein was one of Epstein's. closest associates. >> Yeah. So, I think we didn't realize what. tree we were barking up when we started. the series looking into Epstein. And I. didn't realize that these pieces could.

obviously come together if you're. talking about a world of trafficking. And I I think, you know, the modeling. companies were a front for trafficking a. bunch of people from Eastern Europe. That seems to be the picture. Epstein. also was involved in weapons and and so. it gives you an ability to do that. And. so a lot of these I I look at the. fashion industry now different because. you expect to see young women. They're. like, "Oh, this model from Estonia and.

she's 14, but look how beautiful she. is." And now I am going, "This was kind. of all happening right in our face cuz. as you start to look through the Epstein. files and he was like picking who was. going to win pageantss.". >> Wow. >> Epstein won the lottery twice. Talk. about us just realizing that's fake. >> Did he really. >> look that up? I want to fact check that, but I'm pretty sure he won the Powerball. twice. Or maybe it was the Powerball. twice. >> Did Jeffrey ever seen win the lottery? The studies show. >> no official state or national lottery. organization he has recorded a winner by.

the name connected to a major verified. jackpot? Okay. So, is that was that. actually misinformation? >> So, let me see. >> Oh, wait. Go to Tucker. For some reason, I feel like I read that somewhere cuz I. you can't trust AI either. >> I mean, who knows if. >> Powerball? Maybe it was Powerball. So. that's different from lottery or. jackpot. I don't know the difference. between all these things but in Oklahoma. maybe it was just one once but it's like. a bit weird like you know and so you you. take a look at that and you're going. what's happening like are we just. laundering money.

or. >> is it about children? Like yeah what is. because here's the thing in the end what. is it all about? Is it is it about sex? Is it about money? It's just about power. like um because now like. >> all of it. I mean the women Red Sparrow. like I think that they are probably. running the most. >> Who's Red Sparrow? Not that pizza place. is it? >> Is there a pizza place called Red. Sparrow? >> Yeah, I think so. Look that up. >> Uh-uh. >> Oh my god. >> No. >> I've eaten there. I've I've dined in. there. >> No, there's no Red Sparrow pizza. What? >> I've dined in there.

>> That's crazy that there's a pizza. Is. that in Nashville? >> What the man? >> Is that in Nashville? >> Oh It's in Australia. What were. you doing in Australia? Eating pizza. I was hungry. You think I don't. get hungry? Just cuz I'm traveling. >> People got to eat in Australia, too. But. I'm banned from Australia, so I can't I. can't go. >> You are. >> Me and Kanye, I think, are like the only. people that ever been banned from. Australia. >> Okay, hold on. We got to back a couple. things up here. Okay, first let's get. it. And yeah, and I'm not sure if this. was Yeah, this may or may not have been.

the place that I that I went to, but. yeah, thank God I Yeah. Anyway, I didn't. get. >> No, nothing bad happened at this pizza. place. I was just I was I wasn't even. referencing a pizza place. I was saying. Red Sparrow like the movie. >> Okay. I haven't seen that. [laughter]. >> I haven't seen that. Yeah, I thought you. meant Red Sparrow Pizza. >> You're going to get hit with so many. reviews like what's [laughter] going on. at Red Sparrow in Australia. >> Yeah, bro. I'm sorry, bro. You guys are. chill. >> We're very sorry. Allegedly. Allegedly. Just throw a couple allegedly. >> Yeah, allegedly. >> Allegedly. >> Yeah. Good day, mate. >> No, [laughter]. girl. the movies like all of these spy.

women. Halloween. >> that have like been put through the MK. Ultra program since they were kids and. then they're just sent to marry because. if you think about that more broadly. speaking of what Courtney Love was. saying about the publishing rights well. power in general like you got to have a. way to access power so you get all these. women who are like completely hypnotized. to marry these men because what's always. going to be you know biblically speaking. what's going to be the easiest way no. matter how much uh power a man has if. you want to control him send a cute girl. you know what I'm saying and. >> a cute girl looking for sugar or.

whatever. >> Yeah. So they like are this was I think. based on like it was real like they were. training. >> So this is this is a book by this guy. The story is based on the bestselling. Red Sparrow novel by former CIA officer. Jason Matthews. It draws on historical. Cold War espionage tactics. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> I mean there's still this it's. >> just marry a dude. They can just right. now you like look you're building a. little empire so they could just send. you a windup doll and then. >> you love her and then you just leave. everything to her. You know that's scary.

>> and she's just a she's just like a data. center of a woman. She's not even a real. woman. >> She's not a real woman. >> I think a lot of people are thinking. about that right now too. Like. >> who the bleep did I marry? >> Right. >> That's the show. >> Who the bleep did I marry? >> Yeah. >> That's scary. That stuff scares me. the. idea of not knowing who you marry or. what they're capable of even in real. world scenarios like there was that case. that just happened Caleb Flynn or. whatever. >> I didn't see that. >> It was just I don't know what's going on. with people. He was having an affair. He.

of course he was a man Christian pastor. or was at least involved a worship. leader at church. >> At least he was having an affair with an. adult. Was it with an adult? >> It was. But it's like he then wanted out. of the relationship and like rather than. just filing for divorce, he kills her. his wife. and you just go, "Okay." Oh, yeah. Also, former American idol singer. singer. >> It's a dark world, >> guys. There's so many other options. here, you know, and it is it's a it's a. dark dark world. But that even even in. the retrospect,

>> staged a home invasion. >> Yeah. And in the retrospect, what's. crazy is her sister, like the victim's. sister, was comforting him. She's like, I had no idea that he was capable of. this. That is so scary. And for so dumb. like you just wanted you had a fling. with a girl. Like that's crazy to me. Just leave the marriage if that's what. it comes to. So you wonder what's going. on in this person's head. You don't know. who you marry. That is the. >> the draw of that where people I think. are wondering like.

>> Oh yeah. >> When people say why are women attracted. to true crime? It's actually uh because. you learn things about people. >> You think that's true? >> Absolutely. It's a psychology. It's the. it's the different mindset of you know. hunters and gatherers like women are. different creatures. We socialize more. We speak more from the time that and. speak more words than men from the time. that we start speaking. We speak faster. and you have to develop those certain. traits over time over you know. >> it's it's it's evolutionary. So women. socialize and they communicate and they. learn information because they have to.

be the ones that keep the kids safe and. all you know and so then you're talking. to each other like whoa whoa whoa whoa. that's crazy. I didn't even think about. the possibility that the housekeeper. could do this or whatever as you're. watching some show. I didn't think about. the possibility that a best friend could. do this. Then suddenly you're watching. somebody else's story and you're. thinking, let me make sure that this is. taken care of in my household and my kid. is not being exposed to this. And. >> but yeah, >> I could see some of that. I could. certainly see some of that. I think. sometimes when I think I I always. thought that women watch those shows. because they secretly like this might.

sound crazy, but they secretly respect. these murderers. >> What? Because at least it's a guy making. a commitment, right? Like say what you want about it. That. guy is that is commit. >> Men and women will never understand each. other. That is what I've just learned. right now. Men and women were just men. are from Mars and women are from Venus. No, women watch it because there's like. it's a draw of like how could something. have gone so wrong? Like where could. it's a safety thing. >> I don't see I see a lot of women like oh. at least that guy's willing to commit to.

her. Yeah, he killed. >> No, that's not that's not the. conversation. >> Like he said he would come over and he. did come over. Yes, he killed her, right? But at least he showed up. >> That is not the conversation that's. going on. I always love thinking of what. it's like that meme of what guys think. is going on in a girl's head and what. girls think guys are thinking. And it's. just we're just from different planets. >> We are. It's fine. We're from different. planets. That's what I've realized. Having boys and girls is just there's no. comparison here. >> Completely different. What's going on in. their minds is never what's going on in. our minds. Guys think we're crazy.

That's what they think we're thinking. And then we look at guys and we're like, you're crazy. Like how are you guys so. chill about this in in certain regards. and it's just hunters? >> Yeah, we're just fish passing in the. night or whatever it's called. >> I think I think it's the ships. >> Ships passing in the night. Yeah, if. fish are passing in the night, dude. Dude, you probably wouldn't even notice. because there's so much water. [laughter]. >> But yeah, dude, I'm telling you, it's. freaking Halloween. >> To be clear, fish do pass in the night. as well. There's nothing wrong with that. expression. We can say fish passing in.

the night. >> It's fish. Yeah, >> they pass each other. trespassing in the. night. >> Her I bet he is thinking of another. woman. Him. Why do we throw our bait. towards the middle of the lake when we. fish from the bank, but throw our bait. towards the bank when we fish from a. boat? >> This is. >> That's a good question. >> This is girl versus guy. Just. >> This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you've thought about trying therapy. with our long-term partner, BetterHelp, insurance options may now be available.

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These days, who even cares if you're a. girl or guy? Nothing even matters. People are getting their wieners. remodeled. People don't even have. wieners. Everything's crazy now. People. are getting tits. Tits on men. kid like. some kid got one tit put on his back or. whatever the other day to help him with. like like some of his like the way he. plays soccer or whatever. It's like. >> he got a tit on his back. >> or they doing like everything. >> You can't just drop that casually. What. do you can't just say a kid got a tit on. his back? >> I'm just saying they're remodeling it.

like we. >> with soccer just like I think it gave. him a little bit more spacing when they. were like lobbying for like a header. near the net or whatever. But it was. just like what I'm saying is this can. [laughter] it's all turned into. Halloween. Like it's it's like. >> we're at the inflection point where it's. just weird. >> It's Halloween, man. >> Everything's Halloween. >> But what do you think contributed the. most to it? Because I do think that the. majority of people. >> Let me think through this cuz I want to. make sure I'm not going to regret the. statement, but I do think that the.

majority of people are normal and I. think we see the extremes a lot, right? And so that's one of the things like. because my life is very like real and we. don't kind of I guess play Hollywood or. DC games and we have our friend nobody. knows who our friends are. Like you're. kind of our only friend that's famous so. to speak and we are keep our kids off. the internet. like I just feel like my. life is very real and so I know real. people. >> and so I'm wondering if we are also.

responding to the extremes because we. then open our phones and we see like. BBnet and Yahoo saying this or someone. making a strange like I don't know just. doing something insane and that's what. the media is going to cover because they. can't cover people being normal. >> Yeah. Like so I think the majority of. people are normal but the people who. have power are eccentric pedophiles, >> right? So and so they have to keep. escalating things. >> because they're angry that the normal. people are now going, "Oh, I think you.

guys are a bunch of pedophiles." And so. then they have to be more extreme in. their insanity and trying to gaslight us. and make us think that we're the crazy. people. Like I don't know. I think about. that sometimes like what's contributing. to it. and they want they want to make. us think that they're the majority, but. they're actually not the majority. Like. the majority of people don't want to put. a tit on their back to balance them at. soccer, >> right? >> Some people, sure. >> Yeah, some people do. But pedophiles are. trying to get that cuz they want to It.

needs to be a new marketing surgery. It. needs a new thing. >> That's the problem with Hollywood. It. was like the illusion of a majority. because they had so many fans, >> but they're not. They're not the. majority. >> And now it's changing. So they got to. they got to turn up the furnace. Yeah. >> Oh yeah, you guys are going to be the. tits or whatever. And you guys are going. to be Oh, who's your son play for? >> Tit, but it's just, you're right, it's. getting weird. It's turning into. Halloween. Do you think that you've. influenced a lot of Halloween costumes? Is there any See if there's any. >> Is there any Candace Owens Halloween.

costumes out there? >> They're probably scared cuz they're. going to be like it's instantly. blackface. >> Yeah, I will say this. when you have. when you have uh an artist or um when. you have like a personality or someone. from the world that you like that is. black or even dark dark Native American. >> I've never been offended by that. I. think it's crazy when they're like. canceling four-year-olds and they want. to dress up as Moana cuz they love Moana. and then they dress up as Moana and your. parents canceled. I was like. four-year-old's racist or [laughter]. whatever. What do you mean? >> She loves Moana.

>> She can't even spell racist. >> I know. That's why my kids It's great. cuz they're mixed so they can just they. don't have to do either one. Oh, I. didn't be Cinderella. No way. >> Oh, shorty bae. >> No way. Oh, [laughter] no. That's a. tweet. No, they were making fun of this. this this this week's thing where they. found a video of me. Okay. It wasn't. even It's literally from my college. project. >> Oh, with the lesbian stuff, you mean? >> Yeah. >> But that is. >> No, no, lesbian stuff was from my. college project, but this is just. someone just doing a a. >> Who is that? What now? What period of.

your life was this, Candace? That's. funny. >> So, I was playing a police officer. It's. actually a very funny long long video. real photo. >> No, it's a real photo. I was playing a. police officer for my sophomore year. college. Uh I was a journalism major, so. you had to like, you know, this is back. when you had the video camera and like. the early editing in 2008 or whatever. And so your final project was always to. pick a topic and then you had to like. create a video and submit it. So. somebody hacked my And then you put up. on YouTube and I guess I didn't private. or unlist it or whatever. So, for some. reason back in Jul J June 20 of 2025,

somebody hacked my YouTube account from. college, which only had this video. because you have to just send the link. to your professor or whatever. Sorry. >> Sorry. >> And you're good. >> Is that good? >> Yeah. I I guess somebody hacked my. YouTube account last year from So, it's. a two decade old video. It's still. hilarious. People should actually go. watch it. And it was just we were. covering the aderall epidemic on college. campuses and we were obviously being it. was it was satire. So we were leaning.

into like getting arrested because the. person was a drug dealer who was selling. aderall. Um. >> so it's just a video from school. But is. that why because there was something I. saw last week was like about lesbianism. or something like that. Did you ever. practice lesbianism? [laughter]. >> I don't care if you did. >> form of witchcraft. Did you ever. practice lesbianism? [laughter]. >> No. Of course it was totally fake. It. was their It was their latest like. Candice drop and it was so insane cuz we. were like what is going on? How are you. taking this innocent college video and. so they were like we hacked this and. then we found that she had a Twitter.

account and I'm like yeah like what's. what is wrong with any of this? And then. of course if you put it all into Claude. they're like and then they just. pretended that this account. They're. like we can't show you how but this. connects to all of these crazy lesbian. accounts from 2008. I'm like dude 2008. is too early. A and they made a mistake. >> Been a lesbian. Could you have been a. lesbian at that time? If I was lesbian. at that time, you just go to the bar. I'm on a college campus. Like, you don't. you go to a frat party. You don't make. like 2008 wasn't a time where people. were making. >> hang your tongue out of your mouth and. run down the street. >> I'm like, this is I think they just got. the it's [laughter] like. >> what are we even talking about?

>> What are we talking about? People don't. need to make accounts. We Facebook just. started like you know this people. weren't doing this kind of stuff. The. world wasn't that weird in 2008. >> Um so, but anyways, what was really. funny though was they only messed up on. one point. So they then like of course. tried to find all these accounts that. didn't have uh you know didn't have a. person's face and it got debunked pretty. quickly. But the thing that they forgot, you want to know what saved me? >> I had a trashy tattoo and a belly ring. and they forgot to put it on there. >> and I was like see mom.

>> I disobeyed you. >> I [laughter] told you. >> Dunking on my mom two decades later. I'm. like you see I told you this tattoo. would pay off. >> Wow. >> Yeah. because they they forgot the. tattoo and the belly ring and the belly. rings cuz you know millennials and I. always talked about it on my podcast uh. on at the Daily Wire. She's like, you. know, this was the regret because tattoo. removal is very very painful, but they. just forgot it in the in the Candace. series. And then so the whole thing got. >> clearly I was like, guys, this is a. different people weren't It's just.

weird. I. >> So you never you see you never did it. then? >> No, of No. Do you notice what they were. accusing me of? They were It was like. they weren't even casual. It was so. Epstein coded. They were like this. website. She's had six like six profiles. on adult friendfinder trying to find. group like group sex, >> group activities or whatever. >> Yeah. Like I'm like people weren't doing. that. We had blackberries, man. It was a. simple It was a simpler time. >> Yeah, dude. First of all, >> we had blackberries. >> And also, any woman with a blackberry. >> BBM. >> T-Mobile was like that side. >> sidekick. That's a brand of sidekick.

>> That was a lesbian item. >> I never had a sidekick. Maybe it was a. lesbian item. [laughter]. >> I feel like. >> I know my mom had a sidekick. >> Did she? >> She did. >> But where So, wait, was there a photo. that's not So, none of the things that. they were saying were sexual pictures, right? >> No. No. They then they tried to like. like There was no There was no sense. It. was totally schizophrenic, but they. >> put lesbian Candace and see what it is. >> So then they Yeah. They tried to put up. this be half a WNBA. So we can't do. that, dude. >> Yeah. So then they tried that photo in. the corner and then they didn't know I.

didn't have a. >> they didn't know that I had a belly ring. and a um a tattoo. >> So then they tried to go back and be. like, >> "Whoa, Candace, is that you?". >> It ain't me, unfortunately. >> Who is [laughter] that? >> So then they found the photos after of. my tattoo and I was like, "Y'all you. guys already uh fumbled the ball. You. can only do the fake. You can only try. the fake porn thing once. I was like, you missed the trashy tattoo and you. missed the belly ring. And then they. found the photos, actual photos of me in. college and I had a trashy tattoo. >> Oh, dude. When you're in college, dude, every who is I couldn't name 75 people.

Also men when I was in college that. weren't lesbians, first of all, [laughter]. >> yeah. I mean, >> everybody, dude, >> brunette, what was it? Bernettes, >> bro. You hang your tongue out the. freaking just out of a moving car window. and something will run across it. >> It's literally disgusting. >> You know, it's just a different type. I. mean, I kind of benefited from just I. was always just very honest with my. audience about like I talked about the. tattoo regret, the belly rings, the like. Christina Aguilera phases, drinking in. college, and and I think that you get. this like that's one of the things that. I think I benefited from is just I've.

never pretended to be this perfect. person, you know? Like I I mean I. >> that's all normal life. It's like you're. not going to have a normal life, right? >> But like then like going to like the sex. route and like trying to pretend that. people are prostituting on it's just. because I don't support Israel. Like. it's just like we're getting a little. crazy. You know what I mean? Like. there's something about that that I was. like. >> it feels I don't know like not. >> Well, it just feels cheap. I mean. >> it feels but it's like it goes back and. you're trying to edit my character. It's. like I've already told you the flaws. Like you don't need to, you know, and. like to try to sexualize things is crazy.

to me. But. >> well, I think we're in a different time. where you can't use those types of. things as much anymore, right? Say you. were somebody that had that had even. dated a woman. Who cares? And say you. were somebody that was having going. through a tough time and was and was. selling and was like involved in like um. some sort of sexual thing. So what like. people are human people, right? >> Yeah. What somebody then also said is. the new thing now like I we're also just. lucky that the internet wasn't what it. is now. But someone was even saying that.

now what they do is they get these like. you know there'll be these like data. leaks and they'll be able to find like. an old password of yours. And so then. they'll go, this gratefully didn't. happen to me, and they'll but they'll. like access dormant accounts and then. they'll create prof like they'll create. a digital profile for you and you've. never even been on this website. So now. it's getting very sophisticated and. people just need to be careful on the. internet. Like and maybe that goes back. to my point earlier about me just not. wanting to put my kids out there because. if you're putting your kids out there on. the internet and you're public, how do. you know they're not already creating.

fake identities for your kids? Do you. know what I'm saying? pretending a Tik. Tok or whatever it is. like there are entire profiles of me. profiles of people. profiles but then there could also be. profiles that are not fan profiles I. hate you. >> I saw one there was one view I think it. was somebody had said it was like dark. farmer women or whatever bring that one. up. >> no do not is it what is it. >> it's not illegal or anything it was just. like it was like kind of a farmers only. dating thing or whatever but I think it. was farmer not dark it [laughter] was. darker farmer women or tanned farmer.

women and you were like the most tan on. there or something like that. Yeah, it. was just a conservative female dating. site or something. >> What? Account on darker farmer women. >> Look, I don't think it's a bad look. >> No, that's so you make it sound very. negative. It's a good place for people. to meet people, especially in. Murphy'sboro. >> There is no way. Are you kidding? >> I'm not kidding. I know. I saw this or I. you know, you go through you just like. you scroll and you see stuff. She has to. actually find.

>> or like uh or. >> like mahogany farm something like that. I don't know what the terminology was. used. Sorry. >> Wait, so is it like a a website. dedicated to black farmers literally? >> No, it's a Yeah, it's like it's sort of. like a urban farmer dating site, I. think. [snorts] Or. >> urban like city or urban like. >> black people. >> I mean, whatever [laughter] you want it. to be. >> I don't know. I've never heard of this. >> Okay. I think it's black people. >> I got to find it. Why are you on these. websites? >> I'm not on them all the time. God, [laughter].

>> I'm just trying to do my best. I'm. telling you, it gets you. I got to get I. got to get a family suit. >> You got to get a family suit. I didn't. even know about this. >> And this is how you get one sometimes. You got to go You got to search. You got. to shop around. >> There you go. You learn something new. every day. An urban farmer. Are they. using my photo though for real? >> No, I It was somebody I think it could. have been something that was fictional. Who knows what's real anymore? >> Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. I don't know about. that. Yeah, I was like I thought you. were saying like you were on the website. and there was a profile for me. No, I. saw a profile, but I don't think that it. it wasn't a sexual thing. Black female.

farmers farmer dating. >> I didn't know this was a thing. Single. farmers dating. Okay, >> I love this. Let me see cuz we need more. black for women. And look at this. White. woman sneaking in. Even the third woman. >> This is crazy. I didn't know it was like. there's so many websites like. >> Oh, there you go down there. Let me see. Women of a different breed right there. I'm that special lady. Pull up. >> What are you doing on this website? >> Huh? I'm just looking to see what's. online. >> That's so crazy. >> Wait, she's not black.

>> That's what I'm saying. Some of these. girls be trying to like Oh, that seems. like a bot. Some of these dating sites. are so bots. And who is that lady? I'm a. professional high fashion model. That's. how it starts. Right there. >> There you go. Right there. >> That is hilarious. >> And that's your Epstein bot right there. It's dark, Candace. And I'm talking. about the women. >> Crazy. >> It's dark out there. I think we all just got it. Some of it's. too much online sometimes. >> It is. And I was even because we were. just talking about it now of like the.

millennials. We kind of carved it all. out and even the earlier dating sites. like it was so much more innocent then. Like people were on like e-harmony. There were like commercials for it. And. then I was I was telling my producer. Ashley, I was like even when Tinder got. started, my friends that were on Tinder, [snorts] they it was people would go on. dates and it was normal. And then. everything became so sexual. Like I feel. like in like 2012 things kind of went. down the drain and maybe a little later. maybe it was like 2015 but. >> I don't know there was like an innocence. to the internet in the beginning and.

then it got very dark and sexual and. weird and Tinder got taken over and then. it was like Netflix and chill and then. people kind of migrated and went to. Bumble because they were trying to get. out of that filth and now it's just like. I can't imagine trying to date at all. Like it's just really especially online. like you just don't know like everything. is so scary now. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. In the beginning it. was kind of like casual. >> It used to be a lot more innocent and I. and Google used to be real. By the way,

the results that we got back, there were. so many different options. And then I. feel like we stepped into like a totally. different era where everything now is. like fake. Fake and gay. Like I always. say, it's just fake and gay. And you're. like, "Okay, what's real? Are these like. there we just got bots everywhere. It's. trying to tell you what to think. Google. is no longer giving you every answer. It's like telling you what the answer. needs to be as soon as you answer. You. can't even trust the first answer on. Google. You actually should just dismiss. the first answer on Google and then you. have to like used to have all of these. options. And I try to explain to people. I'm like the internet is now fake. It's. just everything about it is a veneer,

>> right? It started to almost eat digest. its own self in a weird way. >> They got they got smart and we're like. no, we need to tell them what to think. and not show them what other people are. thinking. You know the dead internet. theory that is 100%. I believe I believe. that. >> the dead internet theory is an online. concept which suggests that the internet. is now mostly controlled by automated. bots and AI generated content instead of. real people. I agree. >> X definitively. I mean X is just a bot. farm. I knew the grossest so gross. >> dude. X what what did Elon do? What.

happened? Because it is the sickest. place. You don't even go on anymore. I. don't even know anybody who go. It's. just like kind of a trashy spot where. people are trying to sell meme coins. Um, >> let's just be honest. Twitter was better. when Jack Dorsey ran it. >> Wow. >> We got to just we got to just drop we. got to drop that right now. >> But do you think that something happened. where then like the people maybe Elon. bought it and then they they just like. haters bought so many bots? Like do you. think it's bots or do you think. >> it's bots? They're obviously fake. profiles. I mean, I remember at the like.

inflection point when they were really. trying to get Trump to go to war and. Trump was like, I have 100% support in. the like a ridiculous poll that's so. obviously not true. But I remember. Michael Nolles. he tweeted something and he like ran a. poll of like do you support the Iranian. war? And it was like 100% of people. supported it. >> It's awful. >> that come on Twitter and that you can. see sometimes where they launch all. these bots and the trends are completely. controlled now. So like you will never. see a b a bad trend about a Zionist. And.

then no matter what people who are. anti-Zionist do, they like try to clean. it up and like go after people. So. they're controlling the trends, the. bots. And I don't know why he allowed. that to happen because he kind of came. in like I'm going to rescue X, but you. know, maybe it wasn't a good business. deal and so he's just, you know, cut. some deals on the side, but everyone. knows that it's bots. But I will say. this because I don't think it's a bad. thing because people are aware of it. So. I think now we're kind of becoming like. antibiotic resistant. Do you know what I.

[laughter] mean? Like they're trying to. and we're just like, okay, this is. obviously a nonsense. Nobody actually. believes this. Nobody. >> Nobody believes these charts. Nobody. right. Nobody believes. >> it's having the opposite effect. And so. it's a good thing that we now realize. that the internet is dead. The dead. internet theory is real. And. >> but now what happens from here? Because. here's the thing. say if there's these. higher like dark powers and they control. everything once people start to look up. and just not be stuck in in the.

confusion anymore, right? To realize. that oh everything's being controlled, it's all like kind of so much of things. are a myth. >> You have to immediately. control all of them or they'll get out. of the cage. You know what I'm saying? >> Then that's where we're at right now, >> right? That feels like. >> I don't think they know what to do. They're like pouring more of it on and. it looks even more ridiculous. Yeah, it's bizarre. It's like, yeah, >> we know people don't think this. What. are you talking about? We know these are. bots. What are you saying? The That's. what I'm saying. The average person. doesn't think like this. So, I don't. think they ever thought through this.

plausibility that there would be this. awakening this quickly because it did. kind of happen quickly. Like we went the. last few years have been I feel like. >> everything's gone faster. >> Everything's gone faster. The evil has. gone faster. The hope has gone faster. I. think more people are kind of like. hopefully hopefully heading towards. faith and trying to find that maybe this. is the time where it's just another time. in history where you realize that maybe. this is something that brings a lot of. people back to faith you know. >> but even faith is getting exposed like.

the faith grift so to speak has been. exposed um in some areas for sure I. think over the last three years as well. where you got these like pastors who are. like ripped jeans and trying to relate. and now we're like wait a second you're. totally just a government. >> yeah like calves for Christ. You'll see. those guys doing like the workouts or. whatever. Like these calves are for. Christ. You know what I'm saying? Christ. >> What pocket of the internet are you in? I've never seen Calves for Christ. I've. never seen black farmers. Like where are. you right now? >> What [laughter] are calves for Christ? >> Bro, I'm online.

>> I'm online for Christ. I've never heard. of this. >> But I'm just saying Jesus, he might have. been able to hold himself up on the. cross if he'd had these calves. Like. there's like Yeah, there's a lot of dark. stuff out there. I got I just got to. like jump into your entire [laughter]. algorithm right now. You're seeing. things that I'm just not seeing on the. internet. But yes, to your point, I was. talking more about like the megaurch. >> sort of cool pastor that like relates to. you and all that stuff. >> Well, yeah. I think everything can get. corrupt, right? It's like,

>> yeah, but actually started corrupt like. some of these mega churches because I. when I Yeah. I mean, the kind of money. they're bringing in. I'll tell you where. I was. My moment where I said, "Okay, this is something's going on here.". >> All right, >> I don't know if we're drug trafficking. What's going on here with these mega. churches? Who's funding them? Was when. Joel Austin, a plumber, went to go fix a. toilet at his mega church and he like. accidentally hit a wall and found. $300,000 cash. >> You're lying. >> Behind a toilet. Let me see.

>> And then Joel Austin comes out and he's. like, "Oh, there it is." like, [laughter]. >> "Oh, dang. >> Oh, there it is. We didn't real 300.". That's, you know, you hate I hate when. that happens. When I accidentally lose. 300K behind the toilet and I'm going, "Are we all accepting this answer for. like 300k cash found in like I think. something else is going on here. I don't. know. I'm not an expert. I'm not an. expert. >> If these walls could talk, >> they'd say, "Hey, I need to get to a.

bank." [laughter]. >> Look at this. This is real. The plumber. was Justin Collie. >> A plumber named Justin Collie found. roughly 500 envelopes containing cash, checks, and money orders hidden in a. wall behind a loose toilet at Joel. Ostein's Lakewood Church in Houston on. November 10th, 2021. The old loose. toilet trick, huh? >> Yeah. >> Let me come over there. You heard you. got that loose toilet. >> And then look at the resolution there. The church stated that the original. stolen amounts had been covered by. insurance and that the recovered funds. were inventoried. So, you're telling me.

>> so. >> it was stolen and then someone just put. it in a behind a toilet? Like, what. would be the purpose of that? >> Sounds like laundering. >> It sounds a little bit like maybe we. need to be investigating that a little. further. >> Houston police confirmed that the serial. numbers and dates on the recovered. checks linked to the stash to an. unsolved March 2014 burglary were. 600,000, about 200,000 in cash, and. 400,000 in. >> the burg about the story they're trying. to tell us right now. >> Was reported stolen from the church. safe. So, you stole it and instead of.

just walking out with it, you decided to. put it in a toilet. Like I don't think. that happened. I think there might have. been something going on inside of the. church and then you filed for insurance. and you got money and then like of. course on Sunday when they find it and. it's a whole scandal. It's just like oh. praise God, [laughter]. >> you know, prayed to St. Anthony and. there it is. There it is. [laughter]. There it is. I'm going Are we accepting? Yeah, my money. has come along. They're over there.

filing off their fingerprints. [laughter]. >> I'm like, "Guys, come on. I've been. around. You don't just find 300K behind. a toilet.". >> Different times. >> Different times. But yeah, I was like, "Okay, these mega churches are getting. real mega, you know.". >> Well, it's all everything is like that's. the thing about it's like I don't know. It's a Everything's a tough balance. >> to take care of yourself and not to get. too and not to get uh caught up.

corrupted. >> Yeah. >> Um it's Halloween, man. It's turning. into Halloween. >> Um Yeah. What are some good Yeah. What. are some good Halloween costumes? I. wonder. Oh, >> what are you going to What are you going. to be for Halloween? >> Probably. Breit's wiener. Probably. >> Breit would be a great costume. Breie. would be a great costume. >> Would people be Mcronone's wiener for. Halloween? Has anybody ever been that? Is that a crazy thing to say? I don't. think um any I don't think so. I think. they'd be thrown in jail. They don't. have free speech in France. Yeah. >> Really? >> Yeah. We're headed that direction. They. don't have free speech in France. That's.

why the journalist that like covered the. story had to like move out of France. >> Nuh-uh. >> Yeah. For eight years. Xavier Bousard to. work on the story. They the government. was just coming after him. >> Have you ever spoken to him? >> Oh, Xavier Bousard. Yeah. He's the the. whole basis of the podcast I did was his. work. >> So, he's the one who he's the real hero. of the story. I mean, he was you can't. that that's like that's old school. journalism to commit yourself to one. story for 8 years and people aren't used. to it because we live in such an ADHD. society. That's been like me with the. Charlie Kirk case. I just haven't let it.

go. Yeah. >> And it's it's how journalism used to be. You don't just cover something for 5. seconds and then just dismiss it because. you can't if it's actually a case or. something that big. You have to, you. know, read the documents. You got to. follow what's going on. You have to know. the characters or a lot of characters. So. >> I want to ask you about it really quick. Um let me see this though. This says. France has freedom of speech but it is. not absolute and comes with specific. legal limits. >> So you don't have freedom of speech. >> Freedom of speech. [laughter].

>> French people trying to be tricky. So. you don't have it. We have freedom of. speech but it comes. >> freedom. All right. Exactly. Like. [laughter]. take that statue of liberty. >> I never been man. And honestly, bro, and. no disrespect to the French, bro, but I. never really been a big fan of the. French, bro. >> You know, I don't. >> That's fine with me. And that's fine. with me, cuz. >> people [laughter]. people in Paris are not like the people. in the rest of France. >> It's like a different It's kind of like. judging all of America based on New.

Yorkers. We're more like LA people. >> I just think I don't know. My favorite. place in the world is in France, so it's. called Ani. Can you look it up? >> That's random. What are you doing at all. these places? >> I was carusing. And I had a lady at the. time and we was carusing through there. >> Is this the basil lady? >> Netflix and chilling. No, different. girl. >> No, >> my old girlfriend. Any can you see just. the downtown? >> It's just a small place. >> Wow. Beautiful. >> It's a little town over there. >> Yeah. >> Get you a little liked her.

>> It's like being in that show. You. remember that movie? >> You must have really liked her. >> I did like her. >> Yeah. What [snorts] happened? >> Oh, I don't know what happened. I think. I was. >> It was you. >> I was cheating probably. >> Running around. [laughter]. just being just a wiener head. >> That reporter was amazing. >> That what. >> that reporter in France and. >> was he? >> Yeah. I mean, >> did you ever have him on your show? >> He Yeah. So, I actually went out and. interviewed him in London because I just. couldn't even comprehend the idea of.

dedicating yourself for eight years to. one story. Yeah. >> Do you know what I'm saying? And then. having to move your entire family. There's no upside for your family. Like, he's. >> So, they made his family move because he. was. >> No, he was getting chased by the. government. They were doing things and. he they went after every single. journalist that tried to cover the. story. >> What's his name? Pequard or whatever. >> Xavier Bousard. >> Xavier Pukusard. >> Pousard. Yeah. >> And uh he just did the most amazing work. and had to wait years even when he was. filing for things that he rightfully was. supposed to get. I mean, it's like me. right now trying to file FYIA requests.

and the government just keeps telling. us, "Nope, doesn't matter. Don't have to. answer. Don't you know?" And so he for. eight years he fought them on this. Breijgit story and the the book becoming. Bregette which I based the podcast. podcast series on is amazing. It's. absolutely amazing. >> So um. >> so this is the guy who's and what are. his major beliefs? >> Major beliefs in regard to. >> and in regard to the all of his research. the whole goal of the research is what. is it just to. >> and he's never been sued by the way by. Breijit. Isn't that crazy?

[clears throat]. >> Yeah, >> he's never been sued by Breijit for. defamation. It says Xavier Pasar. published articles and subsequently a. book titled Becoming Breit. >> that amplified debunked online. >> see debunked online hoaxes is just not. true. It's why you can never trust the. AI overview because it's just the. government. >> So you're saying that what the AI. overview here is saying is not true. >> Yeah, it's never been debunked. It's. never been debunked ever. And. [clears throat]. >> read what it says really quick. That. amplified debunked online hoaxes. claiming Breijit was born biologically. mailed. These false narratives. subsequently gained international. traction after being shared by various.

commentators and media figures. um. >> looking at you Candace Owens. >> but real what really happened. >> um for him they never they never sued. him but they came after his businesses. you know it's the squeeze like I was. talking about one of the mechanisms is. they'll like try to bankrupt you um kind. of terrify you he they went after other. journalists on the case and sued them. for defamation never on the point that. uh Breijgit was born Jean Michelle Trog. no I'm my lawsuit is not what about. whether or not Breit Mcronone is a man. they always and that's what they do is. they they try to win these cases on a.

technicality like she's suing me like I. said for mentioning MK Ultra for saying. that she stole her brother's idea. because she didn't steal it or whatever. So in saying accusing somebody of theft. is accusing somebody of being a criminal. and that's basically what they did. And. then they tell the press and so the. press runs Candace Owen is being sued. for defamation for calling Breijie a. man. Read the case. I'm not being sued. for calling a man. >> People we never go read the case. >> Nobody reads the case. And that's the. problem with the the press. And then. what happens is you then go on to AI and.

it scrapes and so it's CS is being sued. for saying Bridget's a man. I'm not. being sued for saying Bridget's a man. >> It's she's never sued anyone for saying. that she was born a man. And. >> do people think that she was born a man? >> A lot of lawsuits are like that now. It's just for PR reasons to say that. you're suing over something that you're. not suing of the entire nation. >> She's got a small frame. I don't even. know if she could hold a little wiener. up on if you had one on her. Pull her. up. >> Breit's old now. You know, Breijit's. like 80 something now. pull her body up. a little bit or not her body. Don't do.

it like that. But just pull her up as a. tall person. >> Do not pull up Breijit's body. I'm gonna. strongly say Reject, do not do that. right now. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Get that gander right there. Oh, that body couldn't hold a strong Frank. at all. [laughter] I'll tell you that. straight up. [gasps]. >> The case is absolutely fascinating. >> The real wiener right here is that dude. next to her. Who is that freaking. >> one of the most protected people ever? Breijie like is. >> is she really.

>> is she really is the question. >> Do you uh how do how. >> is really she. >> is. >> or is really he? >> Hey, [laughter]. >> if these he or not to he that is the. question. [laughter]. >> If these vaginal walls could talk, you. know what I'm saying, bro? >> If they wouldn't Hey, they wouldn't say. a word cuz they not here. The little crazy story, but Breijie, I'm. not taking back anything that I've said. That's for sure. >> Hey, bro. We can't all be wieners. >> Exactly. It's just that the the Breit.

story is crazy. But if I had a little. wiener, I'd keep that on. me, bro. If I was a woman, I wouldn't. mind having a little wiener probably. >> Like, if you if you were a woman, what. you couldn't if you were a woman, >> right? But if you had one, I'd keep that. thing on me. Keep that drake on me. >> Yeah, you would. >> pull it out every now and then. >> Yeah. I sense. >> be like, "Hey, I'm gonna set something. in your hand. Guess what it is or. whatever." Dude, do you think this is a. new game I like to play with people? Is. [laughter]. >> do you think you could. >> I don't want to play that game. >> Okay, the follow up there.

>> Let's keep. >> It's could you draw your wiener from not. even looking at it, just guessing what. it looks like. I think it would be an. awesome contest to have. You had people. and you had like a hundred people. They. draw their wiener. They don't show their. wiener or anything. They just draw their. wiener. Whoever gets closest wins almost. maybe $2,000. So, this is the thing. where I say women and men will never be. able to understand each other. >> Why? >> Cuz I don't I don't think that that's a. a thought that's ever crossed the mind. of a woman thinking about what men could.

think about. [snorts]. >> Oh, yeah. Little wiener contest. Little. art. >> Cuz I think we normally like it's hot. dogs. >> Wiener competition is. >> consuming as many. >> Oh, maybe rich women, they want that. Wagu Frank or whatever. >> Yeah, that's it. So this that. competition. >> I'm talking about I'm talking about the. Lord's Lincoln log. I'm talking about. that body wiener. >> Uh anyway, let's move on. Sorry. Um. you have done a lot of research probably. maybe more than anybody on the Charlie.

Kirk case. >> I have. >> Right. And I'm sorry about the loss of. your friend. >> Thank you. >> Um I I've seen it's just some just. you've been able to share some emotional. moments over the past year talking about. him and some of you guys' relationship. Um, what is the one thing about the case. uh that you just can't get over, right? Like what's one thing about the case. that keeps you up at night that has you. believing like there's something else. going on here?

>> So, if we're talking about just the. facts of the case, the thing that. everything fell apart instantly was when. they said that his neck stopped the 30. odd six bullet. That's so it's so crazy. that we shouldn't be required to have to. argue it. It's so it's you know from 150. feet away it's it's just nutty. >> Yeah. I think that's most I think that. to me that was most people's like this. is a red flag. >> Something's not right. >> Yeah. >> And then I would say on the broader. aspects of the case, the personality.

surrounding it is the lack of. transparency from the organization. that's now run by his wife. like that's. kind of people are learning things about. what he was going through in his last. days from me, uh, Megan Kelly, Tucker. Carlson, and it's just seems that the. organization has done a complete 180. from what he was going through. And so. that would be the most alarming, I. guess, social aspects of the case is. what's happening. Um, obviously last.

week the UVU finally released the. independent review. So. >> that's Utah Valley University. >> Yeah. So for a year they outsourced the. lake forest group to go through the see. what went wrong that day. And so we have. been told from his wife from people that. all of these things happened because UVU. did this. Brian Harpole went on Shawn. Ryan and said the rooftops weren't. covered because of the chief of police. and here's the text message. And then. what it exposed was that they were they.

were lying about everything. And so that. that's the reason why they've just been. attacking me all week. It's because the. UVU review, independent review came out. and everyone should read it. Like I. always say, don't ever take my word for. stuff like I'm telling you what is in. it, but you should also go independently. look at it because it's it's shocking. of, you know, they were the ones. Turning point USA demanded that he be. outside and the university said, "We. don't recommend this. You shouldn't, you. know, this is not a good place because. you know, yeah, that's 100% true.". >> Why did they want him to be outside?

They claimed that it was because Charlie. loved um uh the amphitheater setup. >> And I don't doubt he liked an. amphitheater setup, but I don't I think. when we now learned that the night. before he was worried he was going to be. killed like and if UIU was saying we you. should not do this and they're forcing. it before they even knew the event was. going to be. Their main thing was it has. to be outside in the amphitheater. And I. don't think Charlie was ride or die. amphitheater. I've done UVU with him. We. didn't do it in the amphitheater. >> Pull that up. Can you find something.

specific about that, Trevan? >> It you could find it in the uh yeah the. UVU independent review. Um and you could. just search it courtyard is what they. call it and throughout the courtyard. >> Um. >> and so when you realize that the. insistence was coming from Turning Point. USA and they tried to play it the. opposite, then they dedicate two pages. to just debunking everything Brian. Harpole said on the Shawn Ryan episode. And most. >> the UVU report does. >> but and this report is not theirs. It's. an independent outside group that sits.

in um Chicago, Illinois. >> So, do you believe that this report is a. is reliable or not reliable? >> They everyone participated from the. feds, the local police, UVU. The only. people that didn't participate was. Turning Point USA. >> So, they had to go off of Turning. Point's public statements and like they. went off of Brian Harpole's interview. with Shawn Ryan. >> And Brian Harpole is. >> the security one of the 13 security. members that were there that day. >> That's right. I saw how much ran I know. you're talking about. >> And so he kind of got out in front of it.

and said all of these things like we he. he said the opposite. He said that they. told us the event has to be here. Then. we find out and they put in text. messages, emails, and talked like they. there's it's not like they're just. saying trust us, bro. >> Got it. >> It took a year. >> The outdoor location insisted upon by. TPS USA for their event created. significant protective operation. considerations. The speaking area was. located in an open access campus. environment surrounded by buildings, elevated space, pedestrian routes, and. multiple vantage points. UV UVU. personnel recognized and responded to.

some of these concerns, including the. Hall of Flags outdoor pedestrian walkway. above the speaking location. However, the planning process did not include a. documented line of sight assessment. Um, so they had emails and then we learned. that it was Turning Point Headquarters. that requested this event to happen, which was a major question that we had. Who requested this event? So like late. in the day, a couple of weeks before. when that's not how these events. typically come together and it turned. out it was Turning Point headquarters, not even the student the student chapter. didn't say, "Hey, can we have Charlie?". They were like, "You're getting Charlie.

and so call the school and see if that. and you know.". >> So the the the So Turning Point. approached the school about him being. there. >> Yeah. They wanted the school typically. cuz you know I used to work for them the. students request they'd say what. speakers they want to have. >> for sure. And so then they they're. making a request to headquarters like I. want Candace, I want Charlie, I want. whoever's on the roster and they try to. make it happen for them because. obviously we can't do every school and. they it's kind of like a reward system. How did you know how well did your. chapter perform this time uniquely. headquarters reached out to the student.

chapter and they put the guy's email in. there cuz he's like my field director. just reached out to me. They're being. vague but they want the courtyard. Is it. available? >> Got it. So that's a big problem. >> But wouldn't Charlie have had something. to do with that? Like saying this is. what I want. Like was he part of TPS uh. Turning Point headquarters? >> I can just tell you my experience. working there is like they the students. give all the requests. There's a meeting. about what events you want to do. Sure. If Charlie would say like I really want. to do like the big ones, the big three.

like Berkeley, Stanford, and UCLA, we. did those because you know they're going. to be like really fun events. this but. those they cannot come together this. quickly is the point because they have. you're fighting with the administration. they don't want you there as a. conservative on campus they want to make. sure things are safe they make you know. all of these specifications there can. only be this many people and so. >> everything's got to be gluten-free all. that. >> yes so people were wondering also why. there was no ambulance on standby well. it turns out this ver this report. reveals that the president was like.

headquarters basically filled out the. form they told them there was only going. to be 600. and they ticked no on needing an. ambulance. No way. >> So, every single security measure. >> that seems like a crazy thing to put. >> Yeah, >> that seems crazy to put that. >> Yeah. Why would you say we just say yes. to the ambulance in general? >> What if there's seven people around? Dude, if I'm even swimming with two of. my friends, I will have somebody around. just for an option. Yeah, >> right. If it's an option and I was. saying that I had never done an event. where there wasn't an ambulance on. standby and and I worked with them for.

years. So all of these things and if. they had been forthcoming, if they had. been not gaslighting us for a year, if. they had been like we reviewed our. product, like if Turning Point USA came. out and was like, "We made so many. mistakes, you know, we actually were the. ones who told them not to have an. ambulance. Instead, they were like on a. high mighty horse, like high on our own. supply. UVU did this. The police chief, and it turns out the police chief of UVU. is the hero of this. He kept being he. was the one that said, "Oh, we're going. to need more people. Have you had him on.

your show? >> No, he hasn't spoken to anybody, but. they they basically tried to blame this. guy for a year and he was the only. person that seemed concerned about. Charlie's safety. They never he tried to. meet up with them on the day of the. event. They never did a walk through. >> For the September 10th TPUSA event, the. director of emergency management and. safety assigned two UVU emergency. medical services personnel. Both were. EMT technicians trained to provide. prehosp emergency medical care before. patients reach a hospital. EMTs may. deliver non-invasive life-saving. interventions and help stabilize.

patients during emergencies. Both. >> elsewhere, where they talk about the. forms and they checked off. No, >> it is important to note that the EMTs. could not transport patients including. Charlie Kirk to the hospital. No. ambulance was staged on site for the. September tth. >> Yeah, but it tells you elsewhere why. there was no ambulance. And it was. basically like once you book the event, then there's a form that they send you. >> and the person who was the student. chapter head. >> didn't get it done. He No, he did, but. they said no. So, it's like you. >> why would why are you telling the public.

like you're some victim. >> of what UVU did when you guys were the. authors of it? And they also controlled. ticketing. So, UVU when they say, "Oh, it was understaffed." They never when. the police officer on September 3rd. asked them how many people are coming. They never told them numbers, but they. knew how many. >> They were the only one. They were. headquarters was in control. >> But you said UVU was in charge of. ticketing. >> No, they weren't. >> Oh, they weren't. Turning Point USA. requested to be in they did not want to. use the university's ticketing system. I. mean it's a damning report. You I mean. you have to read it. It's crazy and it.

really shows you how manipulative. they've been over the last year in their. communications to the media saying that. they want answers. Not part why would. they not give me one reason they would. not participate in this. >> Like in the beginning it lists everyone. that participated from the feds to the. local police to the EMS. I mean, these. people are giving their text messages, their emails, allowing them to. investigate for an entire year. What. went wrong? There's no reason in my mind. that they would not participate in this. unless they knew that their hands. weren't clean. And I saw one person.

trying to say, "Well, it's cuz there's a. pending suit." This is not about Tyler. Robinson. This is about the leadup to. the event and what safety measures were. taken and what went wrong and why. ambulance was not on standby. This is. nothing to do with them going into the. forensics of Charlie Kirk being shot or. what happened. TPUSA preferred to hold. the event in the fountain courtyard and. use its own ticketing system rather than. the university system. Those. >> they blamed them for not having enough. security. >> Those decisions placed the event in an. area that was more difficult to control. and limited UVU's availability to obtain.

reliable real-time information regarding. anticipated attendance and crowd size. Um UVU should have retained. decision-making authority over key. security related issues including venue. selection, ticketing, access control, and other conditions necessary to. support campus safety. It's unfortunate. too the mostly for this university. [snorts] because this is probably a. university that's just trying to you. know just trying to grow itself and you. know keep it together. It's a place that. obviously a lot of people come to that. that wanted to hear a speaker and be a. part of something. >> Yeah. And they were told there was going.

to be 600 people. Turning point never. updated the numbers and then there's. 3,000. They wouldn't give them access to. the tickets and the police officer was. asking these questions on September 3rd. and Dan Flood said he didn't know how. many people were going to go be there. and that Turning Point headquarters. controlled it. Who's another good source. outside of yourself to talk to discuss. to like go through a lot of this stuff. with? Do you think? >> I you mean like just independent. investigators or people I I feel like. the only sources are people that are. investigating this independently because. it feels like we've just been the.

Department of War has been protecting. this narrative and lying to everybody. and the journalists have been so. dishonest in everything. Uh, but I. really love the work of appreciate the. work of Baron Coleman and he's done. fantastic work looking into different. areas of the case. There are so many. YouTubers that have just done fantastic. work. I mean, from being on the ground, you know, pulling the warrants, seeing. what happened that day. And it's crazy. that you would expect for Charlie's.

wife, who is at the helm of this massive. organization, that she would dedicate an. entire department to doing this, >> right? and nothing. wanted to accept the narrative. 10 days. later was back in the office and. everyone needs to move on. In fact, explicitly their their team members, which I haven't shown the. >> So, TPSA doesn't have their own private. investigation going on. >> They accept the narrative fully. >> Do you think Tyler Robinson did it? >> I I do not believe Tyler Robinson killed. Charlie Kirk. Do I believe that he was a.

part of some broader thing that was. going on that day? Was he around the. campus? Yes. Could he potentially be. guilty of, you know, the charge of. [clears throat] hiding clothes, which. people said that he was at the Dairy. Queen doing that? Absolutely. Concealing. evidence and things of that nature. Absolutely do not. He's not the person. on the rooftop. The Nobody shot Charlie. from the rooftop of Lozi is where I'm. at. And so I look into alternative. theories of whether or not Charlie was. hit closer by, whether or not it was on.

him. um and something explosive went. off. That makes more sense to me based. on the injuries that Charlie has and the. impossibility and how quickly they tried. to hide the footage behind Charlie's. head which would have shown the public. that the bullet didn't go through. >> Well, so bizarre that immediately they. went and took those cameras, took the uh. cards out of those cameras. >> Yeah. And specifically the one behind. his head. And that's why because I I I. believe they were going to tell the. public that the bullet went through. because they were going to go with 306. narrative. And then along came Candace.

and I'm the one that revealed that it. didn't. And that's why they have have so. much animosity toward me because it from. that point on they couldn't control the. narrative because you were asking people. to believe the impossible. You're like. pigs fly. That's it. And they they can't. prove that. So I to them represent the. complete unraveling of the narrative. that would have been fine and people. would have believed that the bullet went. through and now they have to say that. bullets do weird things and that necks. do weird things and. >> right people are saying yeah bullets do.

crazy stuff they'll stop by their girl's. house on the way to their wherever. they're going. [laughter] You're like. what the Like what is even. happening? >> What are you talking about? Like is this. this is a 30 odd stick from 150 yards? Like it's not going to it's an into a. neck of all places. like if you maybe. you could get there if he got shot in. the sternum or like you know a neck. Come on man. >> I want I want to read this theory. This. is the one that to me that stood out the. most. The exploding microphone theory is. an unfounded conspiracy claim suggesting. that conservative activist Charlie Kirk. was killed by an explosive device.

attached to his microphone rather than. by a gunshot. >> If you looked at where what there's more. evidence of is that something was on. Charlie and hit him and he was hunched. over and hit him right in the neck and. it actually created a shallow wound. Uh. but it hit his artery obviously. exploded. We then presented the evidence. which was never supposed to be seen of. what the car looked like and you see. just what looks like black shards all. over. And so that's. >> So you're saying that Yeah. Can you get. me this Trevan? >> Okay. Thank you so much. It should be a.

just a simple like ex it's a road ode. exploding microphone theory. >> But again going back to our point about. Google like this shouldn't be hard. It's. a pretty big theory that's out there but. they're like this is not true. This did. not happen. That is the reason why they. put that AI overview because that's the. state's narrative. >> Do you think that that this could be the. reason not Charlie Kirk specifically but. just overall right that that's why AI is. so important so fast right now because. they need to be able to have a complete. control over the information. It's a.

deleting of all old information. Anything that's not written in a book, anything that's not entered into AIS. won't even be able to be usable or. searchable anymore. M. >> So imagine they're kind of doing what. was done like in Cuba. >> Delete a file, >> right? Once it's out, it's gone forever. So they're kind of like and then that. kind of locks you in to this whole new. space of information. And once you start. to believe what you're only able to. search for, then that's where you'll be. stuck forever. Like once they can delete. the past and all you have is this. fictional narrative of like of this. current or semi past,

>> we're going to be like that's what they. did. >> A never- ending present. >> That's what they did in Cuba. They got. rid of all the books in the ' 40s. >> That's what they're doing in Gaza. >> Yeah, they're getting. >> that's what we're doing in the Middle. East. Just destroying ancient ancient um. >> dang, >> this is they're getting rid of history. They want a world where they can control. and we're going to live in an. everpresent. That's Yeah, that's it's. dystopian, but that's where that's what. they want. But I think it's now being. stopped because people are aware of it. and having the conversation of what's. going on right now. Why don't I. recognize Google? Like you used to just.

be able to Google that and then the. first thing that would have popped up. would have been John Bray's video. describing the theory because that's the. thing people have watched the most and. people this is a big theory so that. should be if algorithms are fair at the. top instead they give you the AI model. which scrapes the mainstream media which. is controlled by the state apparatus and. they give you this is a debunked Breijit. M this is a debunked debunked a wer. >> exactly everything's debunked and so. you're just getting the department of. wars narrative uh And so you have to.

know how to research. And this is why. they they're trying to get a handle on. podcasting because it's disrupted the. state media and you know the I guess you. could say the monopoly the state media. had on ideas and it's because what. they're saying doesn't make sense. I. mean how many times and in part by the. way the reason why we got here was. because they overplayed their hand. during co so people don't trust the. mainstream media. >> Yeah. >> You don't get to do that twice. You. don't get to now then do CO and then try. to Charlie like Charlie Kirk us too.

Like you don't go CO to Charlie and then. be like. >> start repeating the social distancing. save lives, you know, save wear a mask, save lives and they're like 30 odd six. can do strange things and it's like 30. odds not working this time. >> Some of the bullets will do back flips. now. It's like these new like kind of. like Jamaican bullets and they'll back. flip on the way to the destination. >> Yeah. And you're [laughter] like what? It's a bullet. They're like, "No, it's a new Jamaican bullet man. It. pulls. It'll gamble on the way. to a destination.".

>> And then also common sense with Tyler. Robinson and stuff is like people. generally don't do nothing and then do. murder and jump off of building. First. off, jumping off of a building. >> Yeah. >> It takes some guts. Just try what it. takes to jump like the first time. Just. go without looking down seeing if you. can. >> Oh yeah. If I even get on the third step. on my step stool, I get a little bit. nervous. >> Pull it up. see how far that jump was, but leave this up. I want to I want to. read this road a this road theory real. quick. Do you have that road mic theory? It alleges that the wireless microphone.

transmitter on his shirt, often. identified online as a road wireless. pro, contained a small explosive or. shaped charge rather than Kirk being. killed by a rifle shot. >> Right. >> And to be clear, I'm not saying road did. this. Someone tampered with their mic. And wasn't there wasn't there a. connection to Tennessee because they had. allegedly. >> Yeah. So, I have never covered that. there was this sort of mysterious. explosion um of an AES plant which did. manufacture. uh the like uh yeah accurate energetic.

systems was the name of it. >> The online theory of this Tennessee. manufacturer connection um is says that. if Charlie Kirk's apparent road wireless. pro unit had been weaponized the. explosive component could have. originated from AES because AES makes. specialized energetic products. AES is. acute energetic systems which is based. in uh Bucknort Humphre County, Tennessee. Um the more elaborate version. specifically claim AES had a contract. involving miniaturized anti-personnel.

>> and they did they there was a there was. a contract that was shown to make a. small explosive. >> Um and so people have covered that and. then this it just exploded the whole. thing what was October 10th, >> right? And then that whole facility. where some people allege that the the. microphone that was. >> that or the. >> rigged micro m the rigged microphone. >> the rigged microphone was it then points. to a deadly AES facility explosion. So. this place one month after Charlie Kirk. was killed this whole place blew up. >> as supposed evidence of a cover up or. destruction of records.

>> Yes. And every and everyone died. I. think there was only two people that. survived that were in that particular I. mean there was multiple Halloween. >> I never covered this because I I always. wait until the piece of information. where somebody who I don't know maybe a. family member of somebody who worked. there but they definitely they. contracted with the army and so it. definitely was weird. It was weird. The. timing of it was weird. >> but a lot of people have looked into. this and said what's going on here? And.

again, when everyone around the. situation is just accepting the. narrative immediately 10 days after with. no questions and wanting to move on, that's not that obviously the public is. going to sniff that out and go, "This is. not normal. We have questions. So, how. do you not have questions, >> right?". >> You know, like we have questions. >> There's nobody to ask our questions. anymore. >> Mhm. They're just like, "That's it. It's. really sad. He's gone forever. We're. going to do this big memorial and we're. going to be really happy and we're going. to be dressed up. we're going to. celebrate and then we're going to move. on and his wife has the company. If you.

ask any more questions, you should be. imprisoned. You should be locked up. You. should be sued for defamation. That's. not going to sit well with the public. >> Yeah. >> And so they've kind of they've sort of. come undone because people are still. asking questions. >> Yeah. And and this says right here on. September 23rd, AES uh received a $120. million firm fixed price contract from. Army Contracting Command Rock Island for. the procurement of TNT. Um some people. are saying that some of this order could.

have had uh um that some of that funding. would have been part of that that. funding could have been connected there. somehow. Um. >> the uh what what is I mean it's it's. Halloween. >> Mhm. Um, oh, I'm Mcronone's wina. Oh, I'm the ghost of Charlie Kirk. [laughter]. I uh What is Oh, here's the guy jumping. off this building. >> I just feel like if you if you not like. the first time, you just kind of. >> would have some You'd be a little more.

concerned, you know, like am I going to. make this jump sort of a thing? Never. been to this campus before. >> You know what I mean? That's a pretty. big jump. >> It's pretty big. Was he an athletic guy, though? >> No. No. Huh? >> Thin guy. Fisher. >> And was he allegedly a homosexual fella. or not? >> Yes. >> A lot of gay can jump pretty far now. >> I may I did. Yes. I just say yes to. that. >> Times are different. [laughter].

>> You got a damn, bro. You got a damn. >> Yes. >> You have a Yeah, I know. gay dudes jump. damn six feet, seven feet. >> What What is the strongest piece of. evidence that supports that Tyler. Robinson did this? so that everything. isn't. >> the the state's strongest piece of. evidence is the text the alleged text. messages between him and his lover and I. find that not to be compelling because. his lover's testimony was pre-recorded. in a way that they would never allow you. know that it to play out like it's only.

because there was this basically hearsay. clause that they could just use hearsay. they could not ask him any questions. back you know the defense couldn't like. question him at all and so he just. recorded his testimony and said these. are the messages where he fully confess. to the crime. That seems suspect to me. I don't care if you're a drug dealer. selling like a gram of pot. You're not. going to fully text a full confession. I. did it. Here's when, why, how it was. I. mean, totally crazy that you would try. to get away with it, but then also text. his full confession and then Lance, that's who his lover is,

>> or his boyfriend was, is granted. immunity for this testimony. >> So, that means he can say whatever he. wants and he and he won't be liable by. the courts. >> Why Why does he Why does he need use. immunity? >> Yeah. Why would why does that matter? But why could it matter? Look at Let's. look at it from the other side. It could. matter because he could need immunity. because maybe they would what? Think. that. >> No, there stories he just did this. randomly. Lance had no idea. So if if if. he was implicated in some way of like I. gave him the Nope. Lance says he slept. through the whole thing. Slept through.

the whole thing. Had no idea he was. going to do it. >> Dude, if a I know this I have some gay. family members and pretty or semi-gay or. whatever and they I know this. If my if. if one guy is out there shooting. somebody or something, the other guy is. going to be up and milling around having. a Celsius. >> No, he says through everything. Even. when he. >> clutching his chest or whatever found. out when he got these messages, he was. just why did you do it's so staged. It's. like every single answer. And that was.

also the problem. It's like it's not. like he said one thing like hey need to. see you let's meet up. And then he tells. a story that like when they met up he. told him what he did in person. And it's. like people don't believe this. Like who. texts every layer of a confession? Here's where I did. Here's how I did it. Here's what I was wearing. It just feels. very. >> here's what I was wearing is what a gay. dude would text to his buddy though. Like I was wearing this or whatever. >> I I think he did say in the messages. that he changed or whatever. >> Never shooting somebody again. >> Changed outfits. It's like exactly what. the f like, hey, we're going to have to. these are all the holes. Can you just. put this in the message sort of a thing?

>> Zoom in on Let me see. >> Yeah. Give us your motive. You know, it's like it's like it's like every. single piece of it is right there. Give. us your motive. Some hate just can't be. negotiated. >> Uh, shouldn't be long until I can come. home. But I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this. secret till I died of old age. I am. sorry to involve you. You want the one. who did it right. You weren't the one. who did it right. I am. I'm sorry. >> Oh, that's very sense and sensibility, isn't it? Like I loved him as he loved.

me or whatever, you know? That's very uh. William Bronte or whatever that guy's. name is. >> Why run? If you're just going to test. text a whole confession, why run, >> right? Why run? What are you running. from? Why are you a Dairy Queen? >> You weren't going to get caught writing. an entire novel describing where you. were, how you did it, what you were. wearing, how you changed the clothes. >> I'll never shoot someone again in a Java. jacket or whatever. >> Cra even down to the outfit, he's. discussing it. And so when people saw. the messages, >> these sandals do not go with murder. I'll tell you that. I'm I'm waiting just.

around the corner trying to grab my. >> rifle. No, they grab some crazy old. dude. I'm inter then interrogated in. someone's similar clothing. I had. planned to grab my rifle from the drop. point shortly after, but most of that. side of town got locked down. He's not. writing all this. The drop point. >> I mean just common sense. >> The drop point to most gay dudes is a. place to buy a little bag maybe and some. poppers so you and your buddy can get. wicked or whatever. >> Sounds like a cop is writing them. It's. like, okay, what do we mean now motive? What do you mean drop point? Oh, what do. we need? Like you see all coverage so.

that the public cannot ask any. questions. Why'd you do it? >> Who? What? When? Where? Why? How? >> Yeah. >> And then he just writes it. Writes it. all. And so these messages didn't. register as real. This is their this is. the state's strongest piece of evidence. that he did it. >> And then his buddy, first of all, I'll. say this, his boyfriend doesn't really. give a Like he's over here. >> That's the other thing. I just told you. that I killed someone and. >> his buddy's like, "Who else knows?" or. whatever. Stay safe. He says, >> "I wouldn't even answer cuz I wouldn't. want to be implicated first off. First. of all,

>> I'm not answering. >> You're right. Even if my best friend. texts me, I just murdered somebody. >> I would be like, >> "Phone off.". >> Yeah. >> Didn't receive it. >> I'd be like, "Oh, Hold on a. second. I got another call." Or. something like that. >> I would do something. >> I'm not even texting back. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I'm just like not texting back. >> I would do this one. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> And that is it. Maybe two of those. >> There's no way I'm texting back. Common. sense to me says I'm don't know what. this I'm going to find another friend. talk about. He text me this is crazy.

Like I'm not. >> I'm not being like stay safe or I love. you morsies. Mwah mwah mwah mwah mwah. mwah. >> Okay, that is what are we talking about? >> What? >> Mwah mwah mwah. >> Drop what you're doing. Look under the. keyboard. And they said he hand wrote a. confession but then he burned it or. somebody burned it. >> Drop what you were doing. Look under my. keyboard or whatever. And that could be. a euphemism. full letter that he. allegedly wrote and said, "I I did. this." But then he burned it, but then. he also then wrote it in a text. So why.

write the letter? I mean, the whole. thing just doesn't make any sense, >> right? Why did Have you had Lance on the. boyfriend? >> Lance is protected by the feds. immediately. Had federal protection, witness protection. >> But does it you can't find him, do you. think? >> You No, I mean people know where he is. They know that they he's in Texas, but. he's just he's I think he's the person. who was much more involved in this. >> Oh, you think so? you. So, you think. Lance got to Tyler early and somehow. even was able to help him get in a. position to be set up to where he is? >> Yes, cuz he would have access to all his. stuff. They're roommates, so you could.

get his stuff, drop it wherever you. >> Is there a picture of Lance anywhere? >> Yeah, >> dude. That's crazy. Candace, what if. that's it? >> I do. That's my sense is that Lance is. and I think generally CIA he's much more. involved. I think he's blackmailed. He. was, you know, troubled kid. And he's. kind of the personality you're looking. for like troubled kid and like into the. furry community which is like you create. an avatar of yourself. So there's some. dissociation some some dissociative. personality qu uh definitely got in a. lot of trouble was passed around from.

his family members volatile you know was. addicted to drugs was into weird. internet stuff like he's if I'm CSI this. is the person the profile of the. individual that we'd be looking for and. you know there's a whole blackmail. system so if you're on doing weird stuff. on the internet. >> yes. >> that's Lance. >> I mean. what what is even going on. >> Mhm. >> And what is he wearing that car? It's. like a That's a furry thing.

>> They just said he's been on airplanes a. lot. >> This is unbelievable, dude. >> Mhm. >> What is Can we get any other pictures. in? Do we even know his last name? >> That's him in the court hearing, like. the pre-recorded testimony, which they. the the defense wasn't allowed to ask. him any questions because it was a. preliminary hearing. So, >> this looks like a show. >> It feels like a a show. What are the side effects of Oh, the. Lance Twigs. So, that's him, too. And. now he's out. Now he's on Survivor. >> No. What?

>> Yeah. I think that's just an old picture. of him. [laughter]. >> Which surviv which team was he on? >> Shooters twank or whatever. Was he team shooters twank? What is even. happening [clears throat] here? >> It's weird. It's very weird. So, >> it's Halloween. So, it's all just attack. Candace for not accepting, you know, ruining the narrative, I guess, is what. it was supposed to. I I ruined the. narrative. >> So, by like by sharing like bringing. this narrative to light, right, that.

like people think that something else. happened. I do believe that people think. something else happened, right? Cuz it. seems so usually if there's a shooter of. somebody, that's a big thing. The court. case is a huge thing where you're seeing. all of it and you're like they're like. trying to get like information from the. guy and everything and it doesn't none. of that's even happening. >> It's almost like it's just disappeared. completely. >> Well, it's the actual hearing has to now. has to start. So, they had the. preliminary hearing which basically is. just probative and they say, "Well, we. have enough evidence to move it.

forward." And so, now the trial of Tyler. Robinson will begin. And so, >> will you be able to go to the trial? >> I'm not going there. I'm not. There's no. chance I'm going to Utah. I will follow. it. I will watch it live. I will do what. I do. Take notes like I did with the. preliminary hearing. >> You look nice in there. >> Uh I think there's some weird stuff. >> You think it's dark arts. >> happening in Utah. >> Oh yeah, dude. I'll tell you there is. cuz I was took an electric bike. My. brother lives there and I ebiked about. two miles from his house and saw some. stuff. But um what what's like the.

two-minute version of like what do you. think happened to Charlie Kirk? >> I think Charlie was taken out by the. deep state and it was because of his. shifting views on Israel. >> You do? >> Yeah. That's my opinion. >> And do you think his like Turning Point. USA people knew that? >> I think it's hard given. everything that we now know a year on. and the way like again their lack of. engagement and also blatant lies like. Brian Harpole told. It's hard for me to. imagine a scenario where no one in that.

organization knew or peripheral to the. organization knew. It's I it's hard for. me to imagine that. You'd have to have. an insider kind of. >> I think so. because otherwise why not be instantly. forthcoming? I mean again I'm speaking. to common common sense here but yeah if. you have nothing to hide you have. nothing to hide. So when people if you. said Candace what were you doing on. September 10th? Here's my whole phone. I. was I was sitting at the table with the. team. We were working on the show. Savannah came downstairs and told us. that Charlie had been shot and then we.

stopped every you know. So I can't. imagine a scenario where they try to go. well because the hearing's, you know, the hearing is going on, that's why, and. people can't be forthcoming. What would. the truth, how could that impact the. hearing negativity? Either this person. did or he didn't, right? So if you have. Candace Owens's text messages from that. day at that time, and I say, "Well, I'm. not giving them to you because it could, you know, potentially put the case at. risk." That doesn't make any sense. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't make any sense. How could it. put it at risk? is going to introduce a.

fact that means that Kyle Robinson's. innocent. So for me it I everything that. he was going through the way they even. lied about that um the Israel shift and. you I just feel like people only lie. when they have something to hide. I do not think everybody um around him. has their hands clean. And I think again. that's largely I've been vindicated on. that opinion with just the UVU. independent review. Like Brian Harple,

what's up man? Like. >> why did he lie? Do you think if he lied? >> I don't know. Why is he suing me? >> Is he suing you? >> Yeah. >> And he's saying that you fabric that. just that. >> there I mean there's a bunch of claims. but among it he stated that I I said. that I found his interview with Shawn. Ryan to be unconvincing and that he. lied. Well, now you have a whole. independent review that says you lied. You have the UVU police chief that says. you lied, that you misrepresented the. text message, that you weren't even.

involved in the text message that you. presented. >> So you What are we supposed to think? He. got confused. >> Wonder why he would if he did that? Why. would he do that? I wonder. >> Why would you go on Shawn Ryan, one of. the biggest podcasts in the world, and. and think that you're not eventually. going to get exposed for misrepresenting. things? >> Did Shawn think that he lied? He seemed. like or did Shawn think he seemed like a. believable guy? I think Seawn just. thought this is a big case that he wants. to talk about it and. he just sat there and let him talk. And. I'm glad he did. I'm glad he did because.

>> but it seems wild. If you didn't want to. Why even go say anything? >> I don't know. >> You know what I'm saying? Like if you. don't believe what you're saying, but. maybe UVU's report is wrong. Do you. think it could be? >> I think there's some No, I don't think. that report could be wrong because they. they again it was an investigation. So, they describe in the beginning what they. did, how many hours went into this, sitting down, interviewing, reviewing. the messages. >> Who was the outside group that did it? And we got to get. >> Lake Forest Group. >> We got to get you out of here soon. Um, Lake Forest Group.

>> Illinois. >> Lake Forest Group law firm. Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber, and Shrek. Oh, donkey. [laughter]. uh conducted by a consortium of. independent experts including the Lake. Forest Group and then that law firm as. well. Who owns Lake Forest Group? I. wonder. Just curious to see who they. are. >> I think it's like Bane Capital actually. or something. >> Bane. >> Not totally positive though. >> I mean everything's Bane Capital.

is doing the Charlie Kirk. It's all this. crazy thing. Michael Verden. Verdin. You. never know. I mean it's it's all. interesting. Oh, 21 years as a US Secret. special service agent. Wonder if he'd be. an interesting guest to talk about that. stuff with. >> H. >> So, it's Yeah. And so, like again, why. wouldn't they participate in this. review? These are the questions that. people have. >> Why wouldn't Turning Point USA. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You have nothing to hide. It just be. like, look, and I would have instantly. gotten in front of it and been here's.

some things that we did wrong. There's a. level of arrogance at the organization, too, that I think is making people sick. >> Do you think that they're happy that. Charlie's out of like That's a crazy. question to say. Do you. >> do they look happy at the memorial? >> Yeah. >> It's kind of crazy. Some of these affair. some of what they've done has been kind. of crazy. You would say. >> absolutely. >> I mean that they look happy in some of. these instances. >> Yeah. They seem mad now because I feel. like the public has turned on them. But. like right after the assassination, they. were very bizarrely happy.

>> But do they still have a huge following? I was conf like how big's the following. that it's like. >> No, it's collapsed. Oh, it has. >> because people. >> are curious what's going on. It seems. >> people know when something's not. authentic and I think they are blaming. me for that and it's like no guys, we. asked you really basic questions. The. whole world was on your side, myself. included. No one could have imagined a. scenario where this organization would. collapse within a year and it's because. of their own arrogance. And now they're.

they they think that they you know we're. friends with Cash Patel, we're friends. with Har Dylan and the president and. that should be enough. you know, we got. we're with the president now. It's. obviously not enough. You need to be. forthcoming with information. You need. to be um h how about exercising some. humility, saying what you did wrong off. the bat would have gone a long way. And. >> they're not even speaking about it at. all. >> They don't care. They're just like, "We've got power. We are the state now.". That's the vibe, right? >> From TP USA. >> Mhm.

>> It's. >> Call my friend Vance if you have a qu, you know, if you have a question. And. then. >> JD Vance, you mean? Shame on you guys. for not believing Erica's emotions. Like, we're just kind of getting like. the wagging finger all the time as. opposed to answers. That makes sense. >> Well, you met up with her right after it. happened, didn't you? >> Not right after, but about 4 months. later. And that's when I changed my. perspect like my perspective on talking. about her and going after her just. because she was then doing the public. rounds and she was telling lies like she.

initially said, >> or you could say she didn't know, but. she said, "I have his phone." and he was. not worried the night before and now. that story has been debunked and she. hasn't come out to clarify or apologize, exercise some humility. Yeah. You know, actually Candace was right that the. night before he was texting people. concerns. That's the arrogance that I. think makes people sick is that you send. out all of these bots and people to. attack me and to attack my family. uh. you know to create narrative after. narrative about [clears throat] George.

and Candace because you don't want to. tell the truth and then the truth comes. out and your response to it is to attack. us again for being right. That's that's that's not going to it's. it's not boating well for them. But. they're not trying anything different. So. >> do you are they suing you or No. >> No. Trying to point you not yet. I mean. >> are you in any lawsuits against other. people? >> No. I don't I I just tell the truth. I'm. not suing anybody. You know, lawfare is. not like thinking I'm going to crush. you. I'm going to bankrupt you. Tell the.

truth. The truth is enough, man. Just. Candace said this. Okay. Actually, here's reality. That should that should. be enough. But when you don't have an. answer to the truth, that's the route. you go. I'll bankrupt you. I'll destroy. you. I have lawyers in high places. I. have the president on my side. I can get. him to tweet that you're the most vile. person of the year. That's the. mentality. >> It's capital. Yeah. It's like it's kind. of just a dark side of somebody having. so much capital that could just keep. suing you, keep making you go to court. things. Yeah. >> Um what what do you think did so like.

with with Charlie Ken spec specifically. there's so much information around it? You've done a so much research. Um. >> is there does any of it is there any way. that the research helps affect anything. in the actual case or do you think this. is just for public knowledge kind of? I. think for sure some of the things that. we brought forward that call into. question the timeline. Uh was he in. Panguitch? >> But like will his defense attorneys use. any of this stuff? Like is.

>> now they have to start looking at all. that stuff. So that before it was too. early for them to use it because this is. the prosecution and they're basically. saying to the court systems, we have. enough probative evidence that this case. should move forward. And you can do that. with just hearsay. Now you're moving to. the trial. So, their initial job of the. defense is to just get as many charges. dropped. And you're basically just. saying saying to the the court at that. time, the state should drop this because. of existing laws on the books. You know, they didn't fulfill this, they didn't. fulfill that, they did this wrongly,

whatever. Um, they're not making an. argument. They're not actually defending. Tyler Robinson yet. Now that the state. said, "No, we there's enough evidence to. at least move it forward." Now, they. have to go out, do the research, and. issue a defense of Tyler Robinson. And I. would strongly suspect that a lot of the. things that we have presented and. discovered will be um used or come out. naturally, of course, and in the course. of things. It will that's their job. I. mean, if they're if you're a good. defense attorney, your job isn't to just. like follow people's ideas. I mean, I I.

don't know if they're going to explore. um alternative theories, but they are. definitely going to have to get into the. timeline where he actually was. um if. there were other people that were. involved, other people that could have. been the is this Tyler Robinson on. camera or is this somebody else? Right. >> So, we'll see a lot of that. the world. It's a weird place. >> Mhm. >> Existence. >> Mhm. >> Um real quick before you go, uh Peter. Teal's speaking in town. You know this? Did you hear about this?

>> Yes. He's been doing some weird stuff. >> Yeah. What about the Antichrist? Did you. think about cuz there's part of me was. like let me go see what this is just to. even see what's going on. But then I was. like I don't know if I even want to be. around that energy. Part of me also was. like let me see if he would podcast just. to talk like say hey everybody thinks. you're like the scariest guy or like or. I don't know. It's like do you if you. think somebody's is like devious do you. talk to them to ask them what's going. on? Like what is your school of thought? >> I feel like yeah I think you should just.

ask him if he's the antichrist. Peter. Teal draws hundreds downtown for. Antichrist. >> He's been This has been He's been on. this for years, just so you know. >> Hundreds going across the the world. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Yes. He's obsessed with the Antichrist. >> A big part of why I'm doing this series. is because I believe it is dangerous to. focus on just one risk. There's one. existential risk that nobody seems to. want to discuss, which I would like to. add to the list if we're going to. enumerate existential risks, and that is. a risk of a of a totalitarian one world.

government. But why are you saying. you're part helping us talk about the. risks if it seems like some of the stuff. he's allegedly attached to would be the. ones would be the stuff leading us. towards that? >> That's the point. There's a conflict of. interest here. And that would be a great. reason why you should interview him and. ask him. >> And even them, Teal's host, Masonic. Lodge, opened the evening by distancing. itself from the content of its talks. >> It's like it's just a lot happening. I. saw it and I was going, "What on earth?". Again, we're at that inflection point.

>> We just are just what's go like it's. it's too much. >> Well, and look what it says here. Hunt. described Nashville, Davis Hunt, uh a. conservative activist at Vixen and. Blogger described Nashville as one of. the last remaining regions in the. Western world with au authentic. Christian beliefs where it still. thrives. Huh. Um when's that baby When's. that baby popping? >> Hopefully today. >> You're lying. >> I don't know. The baby you don't get to. like have the baby doesn't tell you. >> Shorty cook, man. M. Mhm. >> You got to get Shorty Get Shorty to cook.

fast. Get in one of those red light. therapy things. >> What? You think that'll make the baby. come out? >> Yeah. Are you kidding? >> No. Have you had a baby using red light. therapy? >> No, but imagine that thing, dude. That. thing is going to have nice skin for. 2,000 years. >> Do you use it? >> I don't use, but I'm thinking about. getting one. >> Okay. I don't have one. I've never done. the red light thing. I know that's like. taking off. But. >> But you already You guys are big. >> Are you talking about like Wait, which. red light? You're talking about when. people just put on their face or you. talking about the full thing? >> They have a whole bed. They have They do. have the face one. I've never done the. bed one. I thought that's what you were. talking about. >> The bed one seems kind of cool. I mean,

or yeah, or even just one of them. A lot. of people are just like putting it. There's even leggings now that allegedly. have it. There's like all kind of. I mean, look at this lady. >> What [clears throat] pocket of the. internet? Leggings, red light therapy. >> Those red light leggings or whatever. >> Never heard of it. >> It's supposed to keep your knees from. sagging or whatever. I'm like, who the. knees are sagging? And who gives. a. >> Yeah, >> just sit down. >> If you bend your leg, your knee doesn't. sag. >> Um, but yeah, people are just bonkers. But yeah, I just didn't know. >> Are y'all using any like does will. George massage your stomach at night?

Are you guys doing anything to try to. get the baby out? Like is there any like. >> n. you really It's like it's ready or it's. not. You know, it's like putting a. chicken in the oven. It's either cooked. or it's not. >> Yeah. Do you. >> It's got to get cooked. >> Do you feel. >> I have a I feel like I have an oven that. runs a little cold. >> Some some women always have a kids like. 36 weeks. I'm like, man, your oven runs. hot. So lucky. Mine's like a little bit. like right on time or like a little cold. and I'm just not okay with that right. now. So, I'm hoping that I'm doing.

whatever. What I'm doing is I'm doing. your podcast. >> and then I'm going to go do Tim Dylan's. podcast and then I'll be expecting. results. >> Tim Dylan is the the There's nobody like. Right. There's nobody more entertaining. than him right now. >> He's so funny. He's just so funny. He. gets away with it. >> Yeah. He's just exceptional. >> Mhm. He really is. >> And he does it he just he kind of does. it all perfectly. Um, uh, will this be your last baby? You. don't know. >> I don't know. I'm Catholic. I say it's. the last baby, but you know, I.

>> I don't know. Catholics. >> Catholics are crazy. [clears throat]. >> And if you have. >> And they're cute. That's what's weird. >> Yeah. >> Right. I feel like if you just had some. kids that were like not adorable and. funny, then you'd be like, "Okay, let's. just. >> Yeah. It's not What's in it for me?". >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> I agree. Um, any uh any unique. experiences while you've been pregnant? You get weird dreams. You get pregnancy. dreams and they are on point. Like you. get like visions when you're pregnant. I. like that. Yeah. Women will tell you. My. if my sister's pregnant, she says she.

had a dream about something. I'm like, uhoh. >> If hopefully it's a good one, bad one, you definitely dream a lot more. And. that's because there's obviously some. association between dreaming and. hormones and whatever. But that that is. interesting. You start to like I'm at. the point now where I can almost see the. future, you know, >> get some weird dreams. I had a weird. dream last night. I can't remember what. it was. It'll come to me. It was a very. strange dream. >> Can you smell anything? I used to know. this lady cuz when she was pregnant, she. could smell copper. She smelled copper.

real strong. >> A lot of women have like super strength. No, unfortunately for me that does never. happens. But you will get a whiff of. something and be super nauseous. That's. for sure. >> But uh yeah. >> Can you sleep fully? Do you have to. sleep on your stomach? >> No. That's exactly what you shouldn't. do. That's exactly what you shouldn't. do. It's the exact opposite of what you. get to. No, >> you can't. Why? >> Cuz you're on a Can you sleep on a ball? >> Nope. >> Mhm. >> Can you sleep on a basketball, Theo? >> No. I don't know. But I don't know what. you guys are doing. You know what I'm.

saying? I'm trying to think of what gets. it to come out fast. >> Think about how you would look if you s. like [laughter]. >> You're just like a bozu ball of a. person. But hey, I'll tell you that. thing will be out in a half hour. >> It'll be out. I'll tell you that for. free. It'll be out. Exactly. >> Is there any smell of something? Like. can you smell a certain thing that would. help? Like I'm just wondering if there's. like some old wives tales. Have you. looked at some of that? Probably. >> of what? >> Of like how to get that. >> Oh, you can induce labor with castor. oil. >> Oh, you can? >> Yeah. I did it for Louise. >> No. >> Yeah. I evicted her. She was sleeping. the whole time. She wasn't there for one.

appointment. Oh, yeah. >> And she was It was Tennessee July. She. was overdue by a week. I said, "Goodbye, girl. >> Bye.". >> No. I walked outside one day and it was. like the heat was violent. >> You know how it gets down here. >> And what do you just rub it on your. belly? >> No, you just take it. So, I took um I. took more than they even they suggested. one tablespoon. I think I did a four a. cup. >> Yeah, >> she flew out. It was my best birth. >> Oh, I like that. >> Fantastic. I told my doctor I was doing. it. I was like, cuz he knows I'm like. crunchy in those ways and so I don't. like do it. Come take our medicine, our.

ptocin. We'll do it. Like, no. Best. birth, one push out. Slip and slide. Castor oil. >> Oh. >> Mhm. >> God, I love that. >> Yeah, she was out. So, she just got. evicted. I tell her I'm like [laughter]. I I promise with her I would still be. pregnant today. That's how she gets. down. So she was only kid got evicted. >> Uh happy early Halloween. >> Thank you. And if anybody does do a. Candace costume, please tag us so we can. look it up faster. >> Oh yeah, that's a good idea. >> I don't know what you're going to do. I. feel like I'm so boring. But yeah, I.

mean I would be pregnant. >> That's a good point. >> Yeah, be pregnant. Be black. Yeah, do a. darkish wig. >> or see if you could get a hold of some. darker skin. >> Go on to farmers. Um, black. >> darken farming. >> Darkened farmers. >> Darking I think it was dark and farming. >> Dark and farming. >> or his mahogany soil goddesses I think. was another one. I got to look it up. Um, [laughter]. >> yeah. >> Um, thanks for hanging out, Candace. I. appreciate you.

>> You are so welcome. >> And give a hug to George for me. And uh, I'll see y'all soon. [music]. >> See you soon. Now I'm just floating on. the breeze and I feel I'm falling like. [music] these leaves. I must be corner. stone. Oh, but when I reach [music] that. ground, I'll share this piece of mind I. found. I can feel it in my bones, [music and singing]. but it's going to take.