Bryan Johnson | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #644

Today's guest is a longevity expert. Um, he's a health advocate. Um, he's. basically his own guinea pig. You know, he's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein. in a way. Um, he's an entrepreneur. He's. been experimenting on himself trying to. beat the final chapter, the coffin. Yep. He wants to live forever and we're going. to learn about it. I'm grateful to have. a conversation today, which we got to do. quickly because I think he's got to be. in bed at like 4 p.m. I'm very happy. that he's here. Today's guest is Mr.

Brian Johnson. [music]. [music]. Um. >> yeah, this lemon water, dude, I drink. this a lot. I hear that it's good for. inflammation. >> Yeah. >> And um I do a lot of fasting and so. that's been something that on a fast I.

will have this. >> Yeah. >> A certain amount. >> I like the chunks of ginger, man. That's. that's solid. Do you. >> Oh yeah. >> Do you chew on those? >> No. >> Yeah. Have you done that? >> Nuhuh. >> It's It's good. I mean it's. >> Is that a thing? Chewing on ginger. chunks? >> Yeah. >> Wow. Never even thought of that. What do. you know exactly what it does? You just. feel the vibes of it? >> Yeah. It's very strong vibe. So yeah. Yeah, it's a nice reward at the end. Lemon gives you a punch in the face. Ginger does something similar. >> Yeah, maybe I'll throw one in the old. >> You feel better after doing it though? >> I just feel like I'm on on I have a plan.

and then I'm sticking to it. >> So much of life is like that. If you. like kind of does it matter if it works, but like it's like a thing is structured. planned kind of is the thing. >> Yeah. Well, it starts to give me a. little bit like of integrity with. myself, you know, and it becomes kind of. a pattern. Um, that's been one of the. toughest things I think for me and and I. would guess probably for most people is. just uh starting a pattern sometimes, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I feel like that's kind of been one of. the things. >> that it keeps you from the negative. patterns. >> Yeah. Well, it's like, well, if I know. if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a.

positive thing, then sometimes it's like. if there's something negative the night. before or some I'm like, I can't do it. I already have a commitment, you know? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But some it has been tough. Um, I go in. spurts where sometimes it's it's better. than others, but uh, honoring like. commitments to myself, having that in, you know, and just building that. integrity that I know I'm going to be. here for myself every day. >> Yeah, >> that's been a challenge for me. It's. it's gotten better over time, but um, it's been a tough that's been probably. Yeah. one of my tougher things. I would. imagine it might be for most for a lot. of folks.

>> Yeah. like like the disconnect between. like what you want to do and then what. you actually do which is like the the. human condition like what our existence. is defined by and like how how big is. that divide probably determines if. you're happy or not in life. >> Yeah, I think you're right. I mean. that's one of the things that I think. about the most is how far away am I from. what I would like to be doing, what my. behaviors would like to be. >> Yeah. Where you at now in life? Like I. mean you've you've gone through various. stages. How would you let's assess now? Um I think like with work work and.

things like that have been good. You. know that stuff has been good. I think. um you know on the on the wellness side. of like uh probably emotional wellness. um you know I've suffered with like a or. I've I've dealt with like a lot of like. uh. connectivity disorders like relationship. stuff commitment um. >> you know like uh probably. >> wishing I was making making better. choices with my like dating and social. life at times and um you know sometimes.

if someone will show interest, I'll kind. of. I'll have to see what's there. Whereas. sometimes if I know it's not even a good. fit, you know, so that's probably been. one of the tougher things is probably. been my emotional addictive behavior. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm I guess I'm newly in. a a partnership. The best relationship. of my life really. Uh we've been. together for for a couple years now and. man it is like I mean it is the single.

thing in life that makes me more happy. than anything. >> you know like relationships are so tough. and especially when they tip to. acrimony. >> What does acrimony mean? just like when. it's uh when it's a negative state, you. know, when there's like bickering and. like finding fault and trying to correct. and the inability to to resolve conflict. when there's a negative vibe and it just. kind of persists in this low level where. it's always unsettled.

>> There's just nothing worse. And I mean. that's true in business relationships. It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds. And like what I. have now is just so good. Let's go. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I I feel you. And. without it, it um I mean, it's tough to. be alone, you know? It's tough to be. like trying to date, build. relationships, and not work out and go. to the next one. It's tiring to like. repeat that again and again. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think that is that's. that's definitely true. And then it's. like you start to compartmentalize.

things. Okay. Well, I'll just go on a. date here or I'll just, you know, have. this part of my um relationship or. intimacy here. And it's like, you know, and that's not. >> uh that's not the healthiest way to. operate either. Um but congratulations. Yeah, they just show your lady right. there. >> Yeah, it's Kato. >> Oh, beautiful lady, man. Congratulations. You guys are both. smiling in that picture, too. >> Oh, man. We We have so much fun. together. I mean, we It's like I get. cheered just even talking about it. We.

laugh and play. It's just so good. >> Yeah. She really does something for you, huh? >> She does, man. like you know like I was. um I wrote this up online. I was. thinking I'm a big fan of Ernest. Shackleton. >> and he was just at uh the explorer. >> Yeah, exactly. So he did the the trans. uh Antarctic expedition. He was trying. to go pole uh you know shore to shore. for the first time and. >> so from top to bottom. >> uh just down to the the South Pole from. like one side to the other other side. >> Okay. Just at the South Pole. >> Yeah. So they got in the they got the.

ship all prepared. They got all their. materials, you know, like enough food. and and materials for the entire. duration. They get stuck in the ice. before they even get there, early. winter, and then the entire book is. about this insane survival story. Like. what they went through and not a single. man in his crew died. But when you read. what he went through, it's just. unimaginable that they were able to. endure these kinds of things. >> And I know this is like it's a too too. dramatic of a comparison, but there was. some similarities. I was thinking before.

like what does it feel like to not have. deep companionship in my life where I've. had relationships and they weren't good, right? They ended up being bad and then. having something that is good. It felt. like, I'm sure, what Shackleton and his. crew felt like, >> putting their feet on land after being a. drift in the ocean. >> for, you know, I don't know what the. total duration of times, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy, >> solid, you know, instead of like what's. happening today? What do I have to deal. with? Is my life at risk? Like just all.

the emotional whiplash you get in like. challenging. And when you're by. yourself, it's also harder to. self-regulate. It's harder to calm. yourself down. And it's nice when. someone else is there to like kind of be. like a. >> Oh, get a hug. >> Yeah, ex 100%. >> I got a hug the other day. I I was I saw. my friend in um in LA and I got a hug. and and she just kind of gave me like a. She gave me a nice hug and then I was. like I'm going to stay in this hug. Let. me [laughter]. just Yep. >> Like my phone. Yeah. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. So like was she like a 10.

out of 10 hugger? >> She You know what? She surprised me. because But yeah, she got she got a good. hug on her. That's for sure. >> You some people are just like gifted. huggers. They Right. They just know how. to like bring it in and like somehow the. arms and the chest and like the whole. thing just fits like a puzzle piece. >> Yeah. Like even like a lot of times. Yeah. We talked about before like a. grandmother will hug you so well. >> sometimes. Yeah. I've like I've always. kind of I guess been that I'll do the. one- arm hug. I hug a lot though. I hug. a lot. I think sometimes it catches. people off guard. People like,

[laughter]. >> "Yeah, what's going on, man?". >> Yeah. I don't want to hug this person. Um, but open up a hug bank. You know. what they should do? >> Those places where they had pay phones. before. They should have somebody stand. there, put a quarter in their pocket, and they got a hug. You know, >> it's like one of the most. underappreciated things. >> Yes. Relaunch the hug. I think they got. a. >> Well, I think we're ready for it. Um, >> Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man. Nice to meet you, bro. >> Yeah, it's good to see you. >> It's a pleasure, dude. I think you're. different than maybe what I seem like. you. I thought you would seem a little.

bit more like a robot. >> [laughter]. >> You know, I get that so much. I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approach me like, are you AI? You know, like like really believing that's the. case. So, I I think I am robotic. I. think I'm somewhere neurode divergent in. uh some areas. So, I think people are. just confused by me generally. So, I I. understand that. >> Like, yeah, that was my thought, but it. you seemed way more normal than that. like just like a regular dude who's been. like um you know doing wild [ __ ] with.

his blood you know like a you know you. seem just more like a like a chill ass. kind of Dracula type of vibe [laughter]. you know. >> what was your what did you expect. >> I think I expected somebody that seemed. to be honest to have a like more of a. sense of and this is just a wild. generalization and this is probably not. the best word but more of like an autism. to them. >> Yeah. >> And I don't Yeah. I didn't get that at. all. just got like a warm guy um who. seems like a lot more engaging than. other people I've met who I've thought. similar things about.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just it's just. hiding. It will manifest in a few. minutes. [laughter]. >> That's what I'm going to say then when. it starts to bubble up when your keep or. whoever's operating you on on the app. >> That's right. Yeah. >> Turns up and the mask like slowly starts. slipping and it's like. >> Oh yeah. Like your database is showing. dude or something. Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. Um, so just so our. viewers know, and so many people know. about you now, man. There's so many. clips you out there. You've kind of um. you're kind of this astronaut that. hasn't left the planet in a way kind of.

cuz it's like, you know, you're kind of. using yourself as an experiment. That's. what it seems. You know, you're. lifemaxing. That's what people say. Um, can you just explain to us kind of what. your general sort of goal is um or what. your motive has been? >> Yeah. So, I'd say um. here's an example for you. In in um. 1870, >> the big talk of the town was there was. this divide over this guy who had ideas. that the reason. >> Yeah. around the reason why people were. getting sick and dying is because of.

these microscopic objects called. bacteria. And half the town was like, "That's stupid as [ __ ] What are you. talking about?" The other half was like, "Honestly, that could be legit." Now, like they didn't have the ability to see. these microscopic objects. Turned out. it's true. These microscopic objects are. called bacteria, right? They can cause. infection. So if you don't wash your. hands in between surgery or uh when. you're maintaining hygiene practices, you get infection and risk increase your. risk of dying. And so that's the kind of. example where a new idea showed up. It.

was seen as crazy. and uh eventually it turned out to be. true. And now today like oh of course. like. >> that happens every every year. >> Every year. Yeah. Exactly. And so the. idea I'm basically suggesting to the. world is that we've reached a point of. humans on the planet where we may not. die. Now that sounds batshit crazy. >> Whereas in we can live forever. >> Not even forever, right? Cuz it's kind. of a concept we understand. It's just. that we might be able to extend our.

lifespans to horizons where we can't. really imagine. For example, like 150, 200, 500, a thousand, like some number. we don't even know. that breaks our. brains. So, it's just not like a 70-year. expectancy, right? It's something much. longer. And it could be the case that as. our lifespans are extended, they get. longer and longer and longer and longer, and we can't quite see the end horizon. >> So, that's what I'm suggesting is we are. at that point with technology. We may be. the first generations of humans who.

don't die. >> Now, if that's the case, everything. changes. And so that's what I've been. trying to do is to say if that is the. case, how does a human behave? >> Ah, >> what do they do? And so that's the whole. that's why it's so controversial is. because you take status quo and it's. like if we're all going to die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right? Like do all the stuff people do today, >> right? Drink PBR or whatever. Floor it, you know, send it, you know? >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Knock up some woman or man. Now I. think you can even knock up. You're.

like, what's happening? Um, but I see. what you're saying. So like if you if. you say if you got to the finish line. and they're like, "Oh, you can't cross. the finish line anymore." You're like, "Oh, if I had known that, I would have. ran the race.". >> Exactly. Right. >> So differently. >> Exactly. Or back in. >> I would have taken my time along the. race. Instead, now I'm just standing. there at the finish line decrepit or. like with, you know, just like. aftermarket pieces and stuff. Yeah. And. um and I would have done it differently. >> That's right. So like right now like you. basically if everybody dies then you're. playing a game of yolo. And so then your.

game is yolo is like, okay, what am I. willing to I'm willing to trade life for. what? And so for example, in the world I. came from, entrepreneurship, the. playbook is you don't sleep, you don't. take care of your health, you run. yourself ragged, you try very hard to. make a whole bunch of money, but in. doing that, you burn yourself to a. crisp. >> Yeah. >> Right. And then you end up and you're. like fat, you're like 40 years older. than when you started. >> Your family's falling apart. You're a. crisp or you don't have one. >> Exactly. But you're just burnt to a. crisp. That's what happened to me. And. so you basically say, I'm willing to. trade life for this money. Because.

there's this idea of if you have money, then you get blank. And so you're making. this explicit trade-off. I'm willing to. trade my conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no longer. makes sense. It no longer makes sense to. die for something like that. Now, we all. have like practical things. We need to. pay our bills and stuff like that, but. I'm trying to basically say we're we're. a society that has built a society of. die. and I'm working on don't die as the. new way of being human. So that's like.

the gist of it. But is do you think it's. easier to say that once you have some. money and once you have like a you know. you have a place where you're like okay. >> you know I know that I'm going to be. okay like it's like do you think you. would have been able to switch that. mindset before having cuz I know you had. a company and you guys sold it for you. know a great deal of money and. congratulations and and yeah and that's. um that's the American dream you know. but do you think you would have been. able to have that same mindset. >> before because that mindset before is. like yeah grind get this money. everything will be good and it kind of.

is nice and because there's a goal. there. >> Um, yeah. Do you think you could have. had it before or is it easier to have. now? >> Yeah. I mean, there's there's two parts. to this. One is I'm saying that. like fast food companies like McDonald's. and Wendy's, they're evil. They they use. science to make food that adds you to. their food, right? They're building. addiction. >> for sure. >> Um, social media algorithms, they're. building addiction, right? um vape,

porn, alcohol, smoking, like basically. as a society, we have a predator prey. relationship where companies prey upon. individuals with the best science and. technology possible and extract from. them life for profit. >> And so, first of all, the observation. I'm saying is, hey, companies stop being. evil. Like, don't use your powers to. make people addicted to make them, you. know, to take their life from them. Mhm. >> And then two is um it's so I don't want. to blame people because I know that's I.

that's it's easy for me to say this once. I've been on the other side. So one I'm. just trying to say like hey this this is. [ __ ] up. >> Uh uh number two is I try to be a really. positive role in people's lives to say. like if you're ambitious and you do want. to make a whole bunch of money for. example um here's a playbook, right? Like the idea that you're better off. working 18 hours a day and sleeping four. is just scientifically wrong. >> Ah I got it right. So, like if you're. going to work really hard, make sure you. get eight hours of sleep. Make sure you. do a little bit of exercise, eat well,

but you're not going to be doing. yourself a favor. If you're eating. trash, right? Not sleeping well and not. working out. Like, it makes your system. like for an engineer means like nobody. wants to write shitty code. If you don't. take care of yourself, you are shitty. code. >> So, like don't be shitty code and try to. build life. >> And so, those are the two things. But I. I want to be very clear like I'm not. blaming people. We just live in a. >> we live in a [ __ ] up society and I'm. trying to call attention to the fact. that like. >> like the system you're playing in is not. a good one.

>> and it's heavily stacked against people. and it's especially if there's a lot of. things where it is addiction based like. oh they know there's so much information. now of how to get you addicted down to. the molecule down to like the moment of. what you're looking at on your phone um. that it really is a war it's a battle. for your preservation. And it's like it. used to be that, you know, the man had. to wake up and he was he had to know. where the predator was, where the apex. predators are. And now the apex. predators are in there, you know, they're in our homes, they're in our.

hands. Um, and it it really is it's it's. still a uh. >> it's a battle and that is a battle. It's. like if you want to take it on and then. some days and moments and some people's. lives are like, you know, I don't really. want to take that battle on and that's. kind of okay, too. But I think knowing. that the battle is there is pretty at. least makes it that all the cards are on. the table. Um [clears throat] yeah, I I. saw that you recently you did a social. media fast, right? >> Yeah, I did. >> Um take me through some of that. What. was that like? >> Yeah. So I first I I love social media.

I think it's so much fun. Like. >> we have great stuff on X. It's like you. can't even scroll through X without. finding something that's great from. Brian Johnson. And a lot of it's really. great information, too. Um Oh, here's. the post right. I did a 40hour and then. a 70-hour social media fast. I've come. to believe that social media is. pollution. >> Yeah. So, first of all, you know, in. watching your Netflix specials, like. what I what I love about watching that. is you can say anything, right? Like the. [ __ ] you talk about is so is so.

unhinged. Like literally there's like no. B. I maybe you felt material where. you're like probably shouldn't include. that one, but like I couldn't detect it. >> Oh yeah. I like just saying [ __ ]. >> because that's what you're supposed to. be able to do. >> Exactly. So like what I love about that. is the elbow room you have, right? There's like when you look at existence, you say like my my goal is to entertain. you and I have all this open space. But. then when people don't have that, when. you when you don't have comedy as the. outlet and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box,

>> they feel like they can only say certain. things. If they step outside that, they. get punished by the tribe, right? Like. for whatever reason. And so what I love. about social media is it just has. enabled me to create elbow room. Like I. posted nudes of myself, you know, like. we did the blood trans the the plasma. transfers. Like we we basically have. done enough things. I did I did magic. mushrooms on a live stream. >> Yeah. That's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy. now cuz he's going into other realms. Yeah. >> Um and before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the.

social media fast or do you think it was. long enough to to notice anything? It. was honestly um it was kind of. life-changing. It was I did one fast. that was 40 hours long and then I did a. second fast that was 70 hours long. And. uh the science behind this is when. you're engaged in social media, you. basically have dopamine dysregulation, right? Like you're in this addiction. state and you don't realize it, but it's. actually creating all kinds of harm. And. then you engage with social media to. feel normal again. And then once you. pull out of it and you have that break,

you kind of get you're out of the spell. You're not hypnotized anymore. And then. you get to feel it for what it is. So. now when I pull up the feed, it feels. toxic. Like it feels like I've had a. fast food meal or like I've had I'm in a. secondhand room of secondhand smoke or. like it just feels so bad. And I guess. that I I um pay attention to these. feelings because over the past 5 years. I've been doing like hundreds of. experiments to my body like what things.

make my body rejuvenate and what things. make my body die. So I have this. intuition I've built and now when I go. on social media it like literally feels. like death. And so it's complicated. though because I love social media. I. love to post. I love to play. I love to. interact. But also when I get on it's. like I'm like nah this is not good. So, honestly, it's complicated. I don't know. what to do. >> Yeah. There's a thing I noticed if I've. taken mushrooms before and you'll look. at your phone, it's like, "Oh, get that. away from me.".

>> Yeah. You feel it, right? >> Yes. It's like, "Oh, that's not real. That's not That's the most unnatural. thing." Like, what is that? It Yeah. It. feels like a kryptonite. >> Or if I've done Iask or been on Iawaska. and you're coming out and I see my phone. or I'll get home and turn on the TV, I'm. like, "Oh, get that thing away from me.". That is something that's just resonating. like something dark. >> Yeah. Is that Isn't that interesting? Like in those moments when you feel. sober, it's like you do you can. viscerally feel it. >> Yeah. >> But then once you get in there and you. kind of play around for a while, you. don't you lose that sensitivity and you.

feel normal again. But yeah, it's I. think and so what's been resonating is. I've been so I posted this on social. I. said because a lot of people think that. social media is like a vice or like a. you know a bad habit. But I reframed it. and said actually I think it's. pollution. It's like microplastics or. lead in the pipes or uh asbestos in the. wall or like you know uh lead in the. gasoline. I think it really is like a. societal pollution. It accumulates in. the body. It creates low low grade. inflammation. And I've been sharing this.

so many people are like I feel this. But. they. >> the problem is you can't like telling. someone to turn it off is like telling. someone to not breathe coal smoke in. London in the 19th century. Yeah, like. you you can't do it or like you know if. there's if there's if there's water. pollution like the solution for water. pollution in London in the 19th century. was not to say don't drink water it was. like to filter the water. >> right. >> so I think the solution here is like I. proposed this that. >> if if people could build AI to basically. create a layer of protection between me.

and the internet me and and the social. feed like extract out all the. performative metrics extract out all the. the garbage all the slop and then give. me the goodness but I want someone to. like it'd be cool if someone could build. long u social media into a longevity. therapy versus like actually having a. cigarette. >> Oh, I see you were saying like make it a. long slow fire that has like um all a. mix of things. >> Like help me when I engage with it. I. want to feel good. I want to feel like. I've drank like, you know, lemon water.

and ginger, >> right? As opposed to like having a. couple of Cokes. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Slaming a bunch of. energy drinks and. >> Oh, yeah. Dude, my friend keeps a five. hour energy drink in his sock. [laughter]. >> I know. Like this is the thing there's. like right people pound like two to. three to four a day like between you. know 400 and 800 milligrams of caffeine. >> and they like on top of medafanil or. something you know so it's like. >> and kids are doing it. Kids will get an. energy drink before school. I'm like. what are you. >> dude your grades are bad [laughter]. >> it's not even performing. Yeah.

>> What are you even doing over there dude? You think yeah just cuz you're reading. the [ __ ] crucible or whatever. [laughter] I got to get you another. Celsius or something. Um, uh, oh, it says, "Hey, hey, social media. users, visibly decline one or two points. in attractiveness, I7." Oh, yeah. I saw. you said something that social media. even can make us uglier. >> Yeah, it does. >> This is the post. Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. This is good science because. like when you engage heavily in social. media, you're basically you're lower you. have higher depression, higher anxiety,

you've got more inflammation, you sleep. more poorly. So these are all things. that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse. >> So yeah, so heavy social media users. lose uh at least a point or two on the. attracting the scale. Like you may go. from a seven to a five. >> Mhm. >> So yeah, it does legitimately affect. appearance. >> Yeah. And I think everybody kind of. starts at an eight. That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're an. eight. >> Yeah. You're right. [laughter] Right. And you're nice, you're like 8.5. And. you give a good hug, you're like nine. >> Oh, you're already halfway there. Yeah. And then the rest is just the Lord. And.

if your parents if they were tens um wow. that's kind of yeah because I this is. interesting because I do notice like. first of all I'll say to people I. noticed this now I'll say to people hey. I'm going to go into my phone for a. second right so it's almost like I'm t. I'm letting you it's almost like yeah. I'm going to have a cigarette it's like. the same sort of thing. >> and then now it's gotten to me sometimes. I'm just so sick of of so watching. social it's just like I'll look at a few. things and it's just like oh this isn't. help this isn't doing anything anymore.

more. That's start of the the thing too. is I don't even this doesn't feel like. it's doing anything anymore. >> Um. >> and then that the algorithm that you. know somebody's behind it kind of. queuing up what is next. It doesn't. leave that uh as much of a whimsicalness. about it, you know. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Somewhere over the rainbow. there's a moon. I made up that second. part. But what I want to tell you about. is when I want to add some Bitcoin to my.

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Investment results will vary. Investing. involves risk. Acorns advisors LLC and. SEC region investment advisor. views.com/o. >> Oh yeah, I saw this this one tweet. that's just getting a lot of attention. that I saw. Mobile phone short video. uses negatively impacts attention. functions. >> Yeah. An EEG study says one thing I do. feel like is that there should be. accountability for whoever is making the. algorithms like because there's been. kids who get affected and then they. watch stuff um and then they might. consider self harm, right? Or people who. you're curious about one video but then.

it serves you seven others and now you. have a strong take about a group or. about a person or anything. So it's like. shouldn't the creator of the algorithm. like if I make something and I give it. to you and [clears throat] I know it's. bad and poisonous, >> you know, there should be you should be. somewhat accountable. It feels like I. know there was just now a court case um. >> or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court? >> Yeah. Yeah. In LA. >> Um here we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled. about underage Instagram users social. media addiction during landmark trial in.

his first time testifying about child. safety in front of a jury. Uh Zuckerberg. said the company does not seek to make. Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims that the. social media app is designed to be. harmful to children. I'm focused on. building a community that is. sustainable. If you do something that's. not good for people, maybe they'll spend. more time shortterm, but if they're not. happy with it, they're not going to use. it over time. I'm not trying to maximize. the amount of time people spend every. month. >> Yeah. This is why I was saying that I I.

wanted to reframe because when people. talk about social media typically the. blame is on the person. The person. spends too much time on social media, right? They need to be more disciplined. They need to set limits. >> And when you reframe this and you say. actually social media is a pollutant. It's like comp some company. manufacturing cigarettes or asbestous or. lead or like when you reframe it that. way it's what you said is this is a. pollutant driving society that it is. making society depressed, anxious, lose.

focus, right? Having all sorts of. negative psychological and physiological. implications. When you reframe it that. way, it changes the blame from the. individual to like you can't reasonably. expect people to want to be part of the. tribe, to want to be part of a friend. group and then put them in a system like. the it's like lead in pipes. Water is in. the pipes, but also lead is too. So, it's like you you can't the solution is. not to tell people get off the phone. You have to do some kind of filtering or. something because it's it's poisonous.

right now. >> Yeah. I think it's a great way to say. it. Yeah. That it's a pollutant, right? And people say, "Well, just get off your. phone." But our society has gotten to. the place where it is on our phone. We. live in an electronica society in a. digital age. So it's yeah, if you have a. neighbor next door who is a company. that's just like blowing like you know. those smoke stacks that they never that. they never had any uh governors on and. they were just pouring horrible smoke. into the air. >> Those were held liable. So it makes. sense that these would be too. Um, the. case filed in Los Angeles Superior.

Court, uh, involves over 1,600. plaintiffs, including families and. school districts suing Meta, YouTube, um, which is Tik Tok and Snap. Um, KGM. claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications, and beauty filters create. addiction, exacerbating body image, depression, and suicidal thoughts. Yeah. Um, some of the key moments Zuckerberg. denied Meta aims to addict youth, stating his focus is on a sustainable. community where unhappy users won't stay.

longterm. Grilled on underage users and AR beauty. filters despite internal concerns, he. emphasized balancing free expression and. well-being, saying, "You don't really. build social media apps unless you care. about people being able to express. themselves." I don't know if that's true. anymore. You know, >> you know what it feels like is um in. physics there's this idea like a a phase. transition. So when water is at 99. degrees Celsius, it's a solid. When it's. 101, it's a a vapor.

>> Mhm. >> So just a very small change. It's not. gradual, just snaps. That's a phase. transition. It feels to me like social. media is heading towards a phase. transition where there's like all this. builtup all these built-up problems that. are over like about to go from 99 C to. 101C and it just snaps and and society. is like we can't. >> right. >> we can't do it anymore like it's too. much like we're all [ __ ] broken from. this thing like it's got to stop and.

like I don't think these things are cool. because they don't happen gradually it's. just suddenly overnight. Yeah. So, I I. would love that if like somehow there. was a snap and we could all get back our. sanity, >> right? Like with UGG boots, like when. people were like, "Oh, these are great.". And Tom Brady was wearing them, then one. day people were like, >> "Done.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This shit's weird. Yeah. >> People will be so relieved to not feel. like Cuz right now, >> oh, dude, if they came out with a rule. right now and said on your phones won't. even work on Saturday and Sunday, I. think the entire world would exhale.

>> Oh, 100%. That that's also true like on. like grind culture where the expectation. is you have to work 20 hours a day. >> Get up and [ __ ] grind. >> It's like in this expectation, >> keep your eyes open, >> keep looking at invoices. >> It's like we're like driving ourselves. insane as a species is like we're losing. our [ __ ] and like it's it's right there. in front of us and it's all these. expectations and if it would be it would. be amazing. I love that. Like the phones. don't work like godamn let's let's go. celebrate. I I think and I think people.

would they don't even work good [ __ ]. them. I think one day if people take. over a business or like people like. storm the capital, dude, storm T-Mobile, storm these towers and just bring them. down. free us from what this these it's. digital chains where we're locked. You. know, >> you know, when it's people when people. uh are not with the tribe, >> they experience it as physical death. because we we are evolved to live in a. group of 150 people or less.

>> to be seen by the tribe. And when you're. on social media, if you're not posting. on social media, you're not seen by the. tribe. >> So, it feels literally like death. That's why you can't just say like don't. be on your phone because you're your. body's like am I dead to the tribe, >> right? Do I even exist? Yeah. You feel. like that if I take a couple months off. will people know do I exist? What's even. going on? >> So therefore you're forced into this. performative existence of like hey guys. I exist. Remember me like me over here. like remember I'm part of the tribe. So. it's just it's such a a violent and.

abusive relationship of this game that. no one wants to play. I mean like it is. fun. Like there's value to it. There's. good information. And like there's I. don't want to say there's not virtues to. it, but the way it's structured now is. just like a a a loss for society. overall. >> Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things. that you would miss, bro. Sitting there. at home wondering if a chick thought. about you or not. [laughter]. >> Yeah, >> bro. And here's the thing now. You can. just find out immediately she's liking. some other dude. Do you see that she's. already married or whatever? [laughter].

>> But back in the day, you couldn't do. that. So, you just had to and you. thought that she did. So you were like. hopeful and excited and you would just. you would take care of yourself till the. next time you saw her. But now you'll. just go see something like, "Oh, she's. out with Rick or whatever." [laughter]. So I'm now I'm depressed. Now I'm at. home. Now I'm not even going to get out. of bed. You know, I think um. >> just those things. And then the the also. like the negative effects of just like. >> if you communicate with all types of. people all day, then when you finally. see like your spouse or your partner at. the end of the day, you're kind of burnt.

out sometimes. You know, you're burnt. out because you've had all this odd. connection that's not real connection, >> but it's it's a some artificial. connection. It's like if you've been. eating Fritos all day and then you get. to dinner, you're like, h. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. This looks so good, but I I'll I'm just I I can't even have. any right now. I'm already full of [ __ ]. >> So, we with this project, we have been. So, basically, >> what project? >> My project don't die. >> Oh, your project don't die. Okay. Like. basically like the idea is if if we are.

the first generation who won't die. >> then the goal is like identify things. that make you die and then don't do. those things right try to eliminate. them. So what you're talking about at. the end of the day when you're like I. don't know what it is but I just feel. like [ __ ]. >> right. >> then it's so it's basically it's the. stacking of all these things that make. you die. For example, did you know this. that when you walk into a fast food. place like McDonald's, you know the smell that you you right. when you walk in? >> That is like secondhand smoke.

>> It's the aerosol aerosolized oils. >> Yeah. >> So like. >> that's Ronald McDonald's cologne, baby. >> It is colon. >> That's creepy. You know what? That's. creepy as [ __ ]. >> Very creepy cuz he's got that play place. in the back. >> Oh my god. That is That is dystopic. Holy [ __ ] I didn't think about that. It. is. Huh. >> So like that is one example. So we track. 250 things in our society that make me. die. And so in and when you go about. your day. >> with this project, don't die. Exactly. >> So you guys track 250 things that make.

you die. >> Yeah. So basically when I started doing. this, we said, "Okay, like are we the. first generation who won't die?" Okay, let's take that as a premise. So then I. hired a team of doctors and we got to. work. And so we we went through all the. scientific evidence. We said like what. does the scientific evidence say about. um longevity and things that make you. die? And then I measured every organ in. my body that I could like we would go. through and say what is the age? So I I. was 42 years old when we started. >> So I said like what is the biological. age of my heart? Because your biological.

age can be different than your. chronological age. >> Okay? >> So for example like my ear my left ear. is age 64. >> cuz I shot a lot of guns as a kid listen. to loud music so it's impaired. So, we. measured all of my organs and said like, "Here's my baseline." And then we got to. work like doing therapies and. measurement. And so, I became the most. measured person in human history. There's more data on my body than any. human's ever lived. >> Wow. >> And so, in doing that, we just found out. like what kills the body, you know, like. do microplastics harm the body? If so,

how? You know, uh do does going into. fast food like aerosolized? Does that um. like social media? And so when you it. really resonates when you say you go. home like you don't know why you feel. like [ __ ] but after doing this for years. I know why it's like this stacking of. all these things that society has done. >> to make a profit. >> and then it's just like you're the. collateral damage but it's like we've. built a society of die. >> and that's what sucks about it. So I'm I.

never want to approach it to say like. hey you individual like you get off your. phone or you stop doing these things. It's like the system's broken, >> right? >> And that's what's cool about this moment. is if we do see this moment is like this. is like 1870, bacteria is present. Do we believe this. crazy idea or not? Like this could be. like it would change everything. So like. we transform ourselves as a society. >> I love that idea because yeah, when you. put it like that, it gives you more of a. hope. It gives it more of like a um this. uh universal type of thing that's going.

on. And I feel that. I feel like there's. a lot of people questioning everything. right now. like, is this good for me? Why did I believe all these companies? Why did I believe that the government. and the FDA and the EPA that they were. looking out for me? They it's obvious. now from um so many trials and um and. corporate uh interests that they. weren't, you know, there's all these. there there's all these things that that. that none of that was happening. And so. now it's back on us and what do we. really want? Right? cuz we'd put the. faith I think a lot of people would put. the faith in the hands of their.

government and um. not entirely but you would just assume. that yeah the food they're letting come. into us into our lives where we pay. taxes to make sure there's an agency. that overlooks this that it's going to. be okay for us and then I think it's at. the point now where people that that. idea is totally spoiled. >> So where do we go from here? Are those. powers going to try to like imprison us. into this space, which also feels like. it's gonna they're trying to um. >> because you have like companies like. Bayer and Monsanto that are lobbying,

you know, like trying to keep all these. things uh in our food and and make sure. that people can't sue if they do get. sick. Or is it going to be that there's. some sort of a of a revolution? Y. >> um so I saw you just you just asked. Trevan to pour um your coffee into. >> and that was out of a paper cup into. >> a Yeah. Uh. >> it's stainless steel. Yeah. >> Okay. What is the cause of that? Because. that's one thing a lot of people were. thinking of. What's. >> So there's a lot of there's been a lot. of discussion around microplastics. >> Yeah.

>> You know, like they're everywhere. They're our clothes. They're our food. Like so um we did this uh project where. we said, "Okay, can we measure. microplastics in my body?" And so we did. a few things. Uh one is we measured. microplastics in my blood. >> and we measured microplastics in my. semen. >> Okay. And so two distinct uh biological. systems and we wanted to look at semen. because fertility is really important. and we wanted to like because there was. a few studies that showed that uh 100%. of tested males.

>> of tested men. >> men have microplastics in their balls. >> Oh. >> and their semen. >> And so we wanted to basically pose this. question. Could we do anything in life. that would lower my microplastic burden. in my body in my blood and on my semen? And so we did a few things like one is. uh cups they use for you know hot coffee. they leech microplastics. The heat. causes the leeching of microplastics. So. when you're drinking that coffee you're. you're consuming microplastics. And so.

we did that plus a whole bunch of other. things to reduce it. And we dropped my. microplastic burden by 87%. Wow. >> In both blood and semen. >> And so that was a big win for us because. no one in the world had ever. demonstrated that that you can look at. both those things and look at the. remediations. And the second thing we. saw is we think that part of the. reduction was from the things we did. like removing plastic cups um you know. plastic cutting boards like trying to. remove plastic from the house then also. dry sauna. We think dry sauna was. potentially we're not sure potentially.

the cause of reducing microplastics in. the body overall. So it's kind of it's. this the example of where if you hear a. headline of like toxin like microplastic. is scary. We try to lay out a clear path. of like you can do these things to. reduce your exposure and to bring your. levels down. So if we do that. systematically over like a whole bunch. of things but yeah that's why I. basically try to avoid any material that. would be warmed and leech microplastics. whereas stainless steel you don't have. that leeching problem. >> Got it. And what about using just our.

microwaves and stuff like that? Are. there microplastics in there? I hear. recently that there's microplastics in. our air fryers and stuff like that. Is. that stuff true or is that just a a. sales pitch for them to get you to get a. new air fryer? >> Yeah, I mean if your air fryer I was. looking into air fryer recently. I think. a lot of them are made with plastic and. so you're you're heating these materials. to certain degrees where you're. inevitably going to have offging of. microplastics. So I know this is the. thing is like once you start once you. realize that plastic is a target you.

realize you come to learn it's in. everything. No, like everywhere you. look. So even now like after I've tried. to purge my life from plastic, I will. still like for here's an example. I was. doing sauna to try to rid my body of. toxins including microplastics. >> I mistakenly used a towel that was 10%. polyester and 90% cotton. >> So there I am trying to rid myself of. toxins and I'm using it on my body. All.

right, >> I'm like wiping my body with toxins. So. like you know like that was an idiotic. uh mistake but like an example like. we're always we're just finding this. forever. So we got rid of all the I. thought that was a cotton towel but it. wasn't but we got rid of that but it's. just forever. It's it's amazing how. omniresent they are. >> Yeah. I've actually been working with uh. this company American Giant that they. make um they've tried to use just. American cotton and make their products. just in America. I mean just toottom.

textiles or clothing. >> Um I remember their journey was how how. do we even get a shirt made here and it. was seemingly impossible just cuz we. don't have the looms. There's so many. things we don't have. Um. >> but we've been working on a cotton like. a cotton only underwear that would be uh. just so it's only cotton, right? So. you're not dealing with anything else. >> That's awesome. um what fabrics have you. found that are okay to kind of keep on. your body uh that do not have. microplastics in them and which ones are. the ones that people need to be wary of?

>> Yeah, there's a list. So, I mean one is. on the cotton stuff is we were we've. everything I put into my body we test. like all the food I eat. Uh so we were. testing um. clothing and actually we tested a diaper. uh a diaper where the portion of the di. the diaper that absorbs the urine for. the baby. Uh we tested that and it was. like eight times as high in glyphosate. So had so so cotton unexpectedly. >> that's what's in the pesticides. >> Exactly. So so cotton is is better than.

like a polyester but cotton is also not. like it's not just pure, right? So there. could be residual uh pesticides in your. cotton. Like how fast does it come out? We don't know. But this is like I this. is like dangerous. I think a lot of. people listening are kind of like oh my. god I give up. But like what do I do? Right? But like I I want to give you. hope like you you just slowly peel back. one layer after another after another. like chip away. It's okay. We'll get off.

we'll get on top of this but just like. you just know that there's always these. layers. So yeah. So we tested that and. so that in the diaper now there's no. evidence that glyphosate can go from a. diaper into the skin. No one's tested. it. So maybe it is. But if it is that's. terrible. We're bathing our children. you know, brave bathing their private. parts in pesticides and these diapers. And so, like this is the kind of thing. where I'm saying like once you start. chasing these these paths, you just find. out society has built itself for profit.

They've not built itself for life. >> And that's what you see everywhere. And. so, back to this conversation you you. the point you made before of like this. idea of care. Like, think of okay, here's a question for you. Who in your. life. unquestionably acts in your best. interest? Like without doub without a. doubt they act in your best interest. >> Probably my brother. >> Like you can probably count on one hand, right? >> Yeah. >> Everyone else like whether it's like a. social group or whether it's companies.

or the government or whatever, everybody. else shows up with a complicated set of. objectives. Part of it may be like it's. not good, but the whole bunch of other. the rapper behind it may be like they. want something from you. And so there's. this idea of care that I'm trying to. pioneer with the company I'm building. around this is can we legitimately. unquestionably always act in our. customers best interest. >> Even if it means we lose money, we. always show up for you. Because that's.

really like what what I've been trying. to do in this whole process. But it just. shows that as a society, we don't have. care as a principle as our society. Like. you're not expected to actually act in. someone's best interest. You're expected. to have a better exchange to make. profit. >> Well, sometimes I'll romanticize, well, it probably used to be that way. And I. don't know if that's true or not, but. the fact that we're at that place now, I. think, is important. Um, we did this. thing this this year around the holidays. where we've tried to find 10 uh American.

companies that were like Americanmade. products and uh and then show those off. like highlight those. It was me and Mike. Row. Um, >> and it was just so you if you want to. buy something that's America, you can. get it. You know, this is something that. when you buy it, you're supporting a. fellow American. So, it's like screw. these big company like if if I buy from. you and you buy from me, then we keep. each other alive. we it only you know so. we're trying to start to create this um. >> this space where you can do that where. it's like uh if I want to buy something.

I'd rather instead of going and look at. like these things that are. >> on the same shelves in every single. place why don't I go find this unique. thing that's only made by one of my. fellow human beings you know. >> that's a cool idea. >> it's one of the things that's kind of. made me most excited recently like in. the world um and we're trying to work. with like Shopify or something you know. some company to come along and be. Well, these are the sites, you know, people are going to need these sites to. build their products because then it's. like if like we even had um a woman who. sells like these really like great.

little characters and and and kind of. ornaments and stuff. So, we had some. artists and creatives in there, but it. was great. And um and a lot of them had. great profits. It was like, oh, people. want this, right? Um, people want to go. down the road where there is like some. accountability for themselves and they. want to be in a way where they can uh. where they the purchase where they're. putting their money. It feels like I'm giving this to someone. else who I know probably needs it just. as much as I do. You know, they're just.

a regular person. They're not a big. entity, you know. So, I think anyway, I'm saying I think there's somewhat of a. >> people do care or we to get people to. care where they're spending. Yeah. you. know, um, that kind of stuff is very. important. What What are your thoughts. on RFK Jr.'s his Eat Real Food. initiative? Have you seen that? >> Yeah, I have. Yeah. Tyson being the. spokesperson. >> What's that? >> Yeah. Mike Tyson was was the. spokesperson. He was he was in the Super. Bowl ad. >> Oh, I didn't even see that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Because he came on here and he talked. about it. He just said, "Eat real food, you know.".

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's great. I. mean, I think uh so RFK is a friend. Um. >> Yeah. Same. >> Yeah. he like he's getting after it, you. know, like pe like in any situation um. people are going to have various. opinions, fine, but like he's really. trying his best. So, I respect that he's. pulling up and you he's made some great. uh he has some great wins getting rid of. uh food dyes and so yeah, I mean I'm I'm. grateful for him doing it and it was. cool, you know, like Mike Tyson is. probably the person that has been in my. consciousness more than any public. figure.

>> When I was when I was seven years old, >> he had peaked I think he was 21. and he. just won the belt and he was on the. cover of Sports Illustrated like every. week. That's right. I would cut those. out and I had it on my wall. But Mike. Tyson was my idol. Like and the I. actually this is like a terrible story. Um I loved him so much and I saved up. all I worked all summer long mowing. lawns and like doing all whole bunch of. [ __ ] I saved up money and I bought the. pay-per-view. It was like $44.95.

>> I called my friends over. I'm going to. treat them to this amazing experience. And he was fighting Buster Douglas, his. first big loss. >> And oh my god, that was I that was like. soul-wrenching. Uh because I wanted to. see Tyson like, you know, knocked out. the park. I'd never seen him fight live. and you couldn't just like pull him up. on clips on YouTube YouTube like it's, you know, harder to see. But anyways, but like tangent [snorts] there, but uh. it was cool to see Tyson go from that to. now he's like in my world talking about.

real food and how it's important. So, I. think he's got he's had a cool life arc. >> He has had a great life arc. I mean, he's pretty fascinating. We're supposed. to do a podcast with him coming up soon, actually. Um, in LA, actually. So, if I. do do that, man, I'll have to make sure. that you get to come over there. >> Would love to I would love to meet him. >> That'd be super, dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was like, you know, boxers were such. uh like I don't know if like they were. such gods. >> They they held that status, right? In.

the 80s. They were it. Like you had like. basketball, you had the Bulls, you got. the Bears, uh you know, Bo Jackson, uh. like they were it. >> Yeah, 100%. Um what do you think the. government's role should be in our uh. health and diet? >> I guess like two things. One is there. there are a lot of things I want to do. that I can't do because the government. prevents me from doing it. So I can go.

out and smoke. I can eat fast food. I. can eat all the junk food out there, but. I can't try a new longevity drug. Companies are forbidden from allowing me. to do that. So, like in many ways, I I. dislike uh they give me the freedom to. kill myself, but I can't have the I. don't have the right to experiment on. myself, >> and I wish I had more experiment. experiment experimental power that I. could do that. >> Have there been uh certain drugs and. stuff that you wanted to go try or? >> A lot of them. Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. What's one that really kind.

of, you know, tickles your Benjamin. butt? [laughter]. >> Yeah, that's a good That's good. I mean, there's a whole bunch of uh there's like. probably a dozen. Um. >> and like the the thing I' I want to do. is I want to accept the responsibility. of determining if it's safe or not. Now, if I mess up, it's on me. >> Yeah. like I'll take that responsibility. but I do want I don't want them to say. like only after because then it it. creates this gigantic no it makes sense. companies go through like a a structured. process and they say it's gone through.

this process we give it a stamp of. approval it's like it's a good idea like. on large scale vaccines like you don't. want to ship a shitty vaccine to society. >> totally get it um also right on like a n. equals one like me scale I want to do. things without their limiting my ability. to do it so it's a really tricky balance. because there there needs to be some. structure in place where as a member of. the society I can say I trust some. entity to ensure what I'm doing is safe.

because we're saying the company itself. can't be trusted right like there needs. to be like some. >> right some middleman. >> yeah like that's the idea. >> but now the middleman it feels like. can't be trusted. >> exactly so like what if we just like. take this little wholesale what we're. going back to is care right like do I. trust that whoever is doing something is. legitimately looking after my best. interest or not. This is why I'm saying. when you go back to like who. legitimately is looking after your best. interest, it's not like one hand. It's. your brother. >> Yeah. >> And so what if we established as a.

society the principle of care? And now. that's hard because you have to do. things that are not in your best. financial interest. You've got to do. things that don't look good. So like it. really puts it's a different mentality. But also, man, would it be kick-ass to. live in that society? Yeah. where like I. you know if you're going to tell me to. take a drug like you're not hiding [ __ ]. like you're not like you know so that'd. be cool. So. >> Oh yeah. It'd be so nice cuz imagine. also the stress that it adds to all of. us. Yeah. >> You know it's so stressful now. It's. like you go eat a hot cake or whatever. and you're like is this thing going to.

kill me? Not today but is there. something in here that they're. strategizing to kill me 30 years from. now you know to create some new disease. in me that then I'll need some new type. of medicine. You know it's just kind of. >> Yeah. It's a lot of turmoil. Um what is. your um kind of daily dietary strategy? Where do you stand with your diet? >> Yeah. >> And then we'll talk about like. supplements that you like. >> Cool. Yeah. The principle here is that I. am a collection of around 70 trillion. cells. Like Brian Johnson is 70 trillion. cells. Half like over half of those.

cells are alien cells. They're not even. me. They're just bacteria. So I'm like. around 30 35 trillion cells. >> Is that true? >> Yeah. Yeah. You you are a collection of. like 70 trillion cells. that makes the. ovon. >> Okay. And half of those cells are not. >> they're not you. >> They're not naturalborn citizens. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They're. immigrants. Yeah. So like they're. bacteria and others that are hanging out. in your ecosystem. And so the question. is like you know when it comes to food, food is just a collection of molecules.

So you're taking one set of molecules. and you put them in your molecules and. you see like what happens. And so we. know for example uh when you take fast. food those molecules and put in your. body it does bad stuff. And so with diet. we basically just say if you have to. create a list of the very best molecules. in existence that help the body thrive. what are those molecules? So every. calorie has to fight for its life. And. so that's the first principle. And then. two is I don't subscribe to any um camp. like I'm not carnivore I'm not vegan.

I'm not vegetarian. I'm not paleo. I'm. not keto. I don't care. I just want to. look at the evidence and say you take a. given thing, you put it in the body, what happens? And so I my diet primarily. consists of a whole bunch of vegetables. I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin. olive oil. Um that's primarily what I. eat. And so I'm just I'm extremely. meticulous because I'm trying to become. the most don't die person in the world. So but you know, if people enjoy eating. meat, eat meat. You know, like do your. thing. If you enjoy eggs, do eggs. Um.

just measure your body. Like measure. your body and see if you're happy or. not. If the body is so there's what your. mind can say like oh I love blank but. measuring your body is a different thing. your body is going to tell is gonna. speak the truth not your mind so. basically like you want to measure out. your body report out how's inflammation. how's cholesterol like how's all the. different markers so. >> and when it comes to meat and things. like that are there just you don't like. them or you feel like they don't work. for your body was there something that. you found that you're like this isn't. the best for me. >> um so it's actually I mean one is I.

think there's two points. One is I think you can make an. evidence-based argument that a a diet. that primarily consists of um. vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extravirgin olive oil, uh legumes um is. one of the best paths to longevity. Not. the only, but like a good one. And then. uh on the like red meat, there's not a. ton of evidence that a lot of ton of. longevity evidence that says this thing.

is a longevity uh um producer. now. But. I I pull myself out of the argument. because I don't care about red meat. I. don't care about the argument. I don't. care about the disagreement. If somebody. wants to eat red meat, I support you in. eating red meat. Yeah. Like I'm not. going to go after red meat. Like I'm not. that person. So just like do. >> I'll pat you on the back while you have. a little, you know, while you have some. burns. >> Yeah. Do it like do your thing and just. measure your body. So I try to do that. and I try to then share my body. biomarkers and say here's what my body. looks like. Here's the evidence. If you.

want to try it out, here you go. Um, but. like a lot of so like a couple things. One is um I love extra virgin olive oil. I think it's one of the best foods you. can put into your body. >> Is that a seed oil or not? >> No. >> Okay. >> Yeah. There's like this whole um seed. oils are bad for you. I don't I don't. buy it. >> You don't? >> No. I think it's fried. It's It's high. tempmp seed oils, >> but you know cold pressed seed oils, you. know, like they're fine. So like that. whole thing I think got away. Oh, so you.

think the seed oil thing is kind of out. there? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's You don't want to heat. them. That's when they become dangerous. But cold press seed oils, the evidence. says they're fine. But again, like if. somebody wants to do it, great. Like, you know, you abstain or take it. Just. measure yourself and try to find the. markers. Um, >> right. Check in with yourself. Have some. sort of like, okay, how do I really feel. after having this? >> Yeah. And how does your body report out? Not your mind, not your opinion, not. what social media says. Ask your body to. report out with biomarkers. get a blood.

draw, look at your markers and say, "Is. the body happy or sad?". >> Right. Not each time you eat, but you're. saying over time. >> Over time, cuz Yeah. Cuz those like your. body reflects your diets over, you know, a period of time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But like the easy ones like just. avoid There we go. >> Yeah. This was just saying cooking oils, not all cooking oils are created equal. This chart breaks down the lenolic acid. content in different oils, helping you. make informed choices for heart health. and inflammation control. High lenolleic. oils like soybeans, sunflower, and corn.

oil can contribute to inflammation while. healthier options like coconut, olive, and grass-fed butter offer beneficial. fats. But you don't buy into this. >> I mean, so this is cooking. This is act. what does. >> Oh, this is actually using it for. cooking. >> Yeah. What does well at higher heats? >> So, this is kind of what you're saying. actually that some of these uh may. provide less health benefit for you. But. like on this though like this graph I. want to see the toxic compounds that are.

formed otherwise like I don't know how. to read this graph. >> Right. Right. And they'll show stuff like this. I mean even in trap me it just you know. they use the red yellow green. It's like. you know there's a lot of small. strategies that can kind of like I want. to see what temperature uh what are the. toxic compounds I'm evaluating? Uh when. do they form you know etc. So that that. is like a that would be a much more. quantified approach where I'd say all. right now I I feel like I have a good. basis for decision-m versus like this is. easy to read online you see red green. yellow it's like okay good bad because.

anything more than good bad it kind of. it gets overwhelming for people. >> Yeah for sure. Um yeah you say. extravirgin olive oil that's sort of. your go-to. >> Yeah based upon the evidence I my team. and I have reviewed this is what I would. suggest if people want quick takeaways. Um, one is I consume more extra virgin. olive oil than any food in my diet. It's. 15% of my daily caloric intake, but it's. we source it ourselves. We test it in. the lab ourselves. It's high polyphenol, has the right acids, right? Right.

constitution. So, it's it's a specific. kind of olive oil. It's not because most. olive oil is [ __ ] Like most of it. does nothing and most of it a lot of. Yeah. So, you need a very So, whatever. you buy, make sure it has a third party. lab test result. That's that's a lot. Like, >> but is there a brand that you tell us? I. mean, I know or or do you have this. yourself that we could buy? Do you have. your own? >> I do it myself because like going back. to that discussion of care and trust. after playing this game for 5 years, I. don't trust anybody.

>> Yeah. >> No one. Like I don't care what they say. in marketing. I don't care. I just don't. trust anyone. >> That's how I am. >> So like yeah, I want to source it from. the farm myself. I want to test it in. the third party lab. So, I just. basically I did this my whole self and. then my friends were like, "I want this, too." And I'm like, "Sure.". >> Yeah. I was about to ask you for. something. And this is But this is one. you guys have. It's called snake oil. >> Yeah. We It's kind of a troll. >> Yeah. >> Uh but yeah, it's basically we source. from both hemispheres, southern. hemisphere, northern hemisphere. We. always have a fresh batch. We do third. party testing. It's high polyphenols. So, uh olive oil and also like I do a.

tablespoon with every meal because when. you eat food, it causes damage to your. body. Like a lot of people don't know. that. They think like food is like a. good thing which it is but also there's. there's damage associated. So olive oil. lessens that damage like lessens some of. the oxidative damage. >> So that's olive oil is one. Uh two is I. eat a lot of legumes like lentils, edetamame, beans, um a lot of vegetables. but I steam them. So when you when you. char something whether it be charring.

vegetables or meat or something it. builds something called aes. >> Yeah. advanced glycated end products, which is basically just think of it like. junk that builds up in your in your in. your body. You don't want it. Um, so I. steam vegetables to lower the AES. And. then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia. nuts, almonds, um, walnuts. >> I like walnuts. >> Yeah. Right. Those are like the Those. are good ones. Like uh I don't eat. cashews or peanuts. Those are like the.

less valuable ones. >> They're drunkards nuts, right? >> Aren't they? [laughter] That's funny. Yo, you're drunk here. >> Yeah. Uh, then I do a lot of um. >> and cashew just looks like it's [ __ ]. [laughter] looks like it doesn't even. know what it's doing. If you look at a. cashew, bring up a cashew, >> it looks kind of bisexual a little, which is fine, >> but I'm just saying it looks like it'll. sleep over at anybody's house [laughter]. to me. >> Yeah, I think it's a good. interpretation. I've never heard someone. riff on a cashew's appearance, but you.

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feel lighter in therapy. Sign up and get. 10% off at betterhelp.com/theo. That's betterhp.com/theo. Yeah, I had I had a couple thoughts, you. know, like you Theo, I wish I could say. I wish I could talk about [ __ ] like you. do. Like I have several thoughts I just. had. I'd like to express them, but I. don't, you know, like I still play. within a certain box of like what I can. and cannot say, but. >> And is it do you think it's some of. that's for like business purposes or you. just think it's just like a social way.

that you learned? I mean, it's like. there, as um as weird as I am and as. much elbow room as I've created in doing. crazy [ __ ] there's still some things. that I would say that would alienate. certain people. >> And so, I do have some some parameters. And so, uh but I, you know, if if I. wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do. standup comedy. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It'd be like, >> bro, that's cool. >> Oh, man. It would it would be it it. would be so much fun cuz you basically.

you're trying to put your finger on the. thing. >> Yeah. >> And that's what I try to do in my life. But like and so and when people their. response of course is like how good you. are at putting your finger on the thing. that they already know, >> right? >> But you're willing to say it and you can. string it together. So yeah, >> but you're kind of doing that. You're. kind of like a um I mean it's just not. standup comedy, but you're just doing it. for our health, you know? >> Yeah. And I'm I would way rather you're. this guy out there who's like just who's. basically riding around being his own. voodoo doll and [ __ ] [laughter]. than have you out there like trying.

jokes which you may have have been very. successful at as well. Um but I'm glad. you're doing what you are. Maybe you. know maybe it'll be a side thing or next. life. But also some people might not. even take you as seriously. You know one. night I watched John Mayer. He got up. and did standup comedy. Yeah. >> And he's like man I love standup comedy. I would have loved to been a stand-up. comedian. He goes, "But now I'm so known. for being what I am that I can't even be. this.". >> Yeah. >> Because uh it just people wouldn't. accept it or wouldn't give you the same.

walkway into their lives as as they. would knowing I'm already John Mayor, you know? >> Yeah. You know, like I would love to. take on that challenge. And man, I would. love. >> You could have so many great jokes. >> I want to make fun of myself. I I like. I'm so weird, right? I. >> Dude, of course you are, dude. You pro. you probably might even have any blood. in your body, dude. You could go to a. blood draw and they just keep drawing. and drawing. They're just sitting. [laughter] there like nurses are coming. out like we don't know, you know?

>> I mean Oh, dude. I bet if you have you. ever been on Kill Tony? Have you been on. that show? No. >> Oh, bro. If you I wonder if we maybe. next time I go on there, you and me. could go. He's this Have you ever seen. it? >> No. It's this it's like the Tonight Show. now, but they do it out down in Austin. and it's uh and dude, I bet people would. write some jokes, bro. It'd be so great. That'd be so much fun. >> I would love to. >> This is it. It's so much fun, bro. Every. week they have it. You would be the best. on there, dude.

>> I went to a couple Roast Me um shows and. it was it was pretty good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> I I really enjoy people making fun of. me. >> It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does or. used to do a lot of those. I know he. he's one of the best at it. Um but Tony. Henchcliffe is really great at it too. and that's his show Kill Tony. Um okay. Were there other things you were going. to tell us about some so some other. health stuff you said that your own and. you also have a and I'm not pushing your. products here but I was given a gift of. one of your products and I haven't taken. it before and it's a blueprint protein.

powder. >> Yeah. >> Is it a protein powder? Is it a daily. powder? What is it? >> Yeah. Protein. >> Okay. It's a protein powder. And a lot. of times you hear the supplements and. stuff like that, a lot of that stuff. just comes out in your urine. Like what. makes this thing any different? Or is it. any different? >> Yeah. So the the problem I was trying to. solve is I need to eat every day. somehow. >> Yeah. >> And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain amount of fat. And so when I. go out in the world, I'm like, where am. I going to buy it? I who do I trust? No.

one. >> Okay. So I got to manufacture this. So. basically like we put together uh I eat. everything my company makes. Uh because. I trust it. I I like you know I worked. as a in high school I worked at a. restaurant. I was um and I saw the back. kitchen operations and I was like damn I. am never eating at this restaurant. [laughter] ever again. Right. Once you. see it it's it's horrifying. >> Yeah. Well it's crazy when you think. you're at a restaurant that you think. that the people in the back are doing. their best [laughter]. because a lot of times you're like.

you'll go eat and then I'll go work at a. restaurant. So it's like then I'm just. the person in the back. >> Yeah. And like the the whole idea of. like this like competent things going on. behind the scenes that like you can. trust like no no like breaks it. So yes. like blueprint I see exactly what. happens that's what I want to eat. So. yeah protein I basically need like 130. grams a day and so I have to get it from. somewhere. So yeah we same thing we. source it. We third party test it um you. know we look at all the the nutrients. and the chemicals and the toxins. So,

yeah. So, the protein is one of the. things we've built. And so, um, >> and what kind of protein powder do you. recommend? I take a plant protein right. now. That's kind of what I feel like. works best with my system. Yeah. >> But, um, what is there a type of Cuz you. hear different ones and new ones pop out. and then there's like the one you're. supposed to take at night. Like, have. you What has your experience been like. with protein powders? >> We've been using pee and hemp. Um, we. started using pumpkin and um. >> Oh, pumpkin got something. Was pump. >> Yeah. Yeah. So there's there's.

>> it should be obvious pumpkin has. muscles, dude. [laughter]. >> Yeah, exactly. >> [ __ ] flexing in this in the field, right? You see like. >> who's defined. >> Yeah. So like we Yes, we did that. But. you know like. >> pea doesn't mix very well though. >> Yeah, that's why. So that's why we do. the hemp combo. >> Okay. And it helps it. >> It makes it fluffy and nice. >> cuz pee sometimes I'll get it in a. smoothie or something and you can't even. drink it because it's not the the. solution isn't liquid enough. >> Yeah. So, we do that, but people there's. like this online thing where people say. that plant-based proteins are higher in.

heavy metals, right? Because there's you. can test it. The issue with that is like. the whole heavy metal discussion is so. [ __ ] up because we test all my foods. You can go to the store and get a carrot. and test that for heavy metals. It's. high in heavy metals. >> And so, the only reason why they it's. been sensational around plant-based. proteins with toxins is because it's. packaged food you can easily measure, but it's harder to measure fresh food. people don't do the work. So, like we've. learned toxins are everywhere in all.

foods. And so, for example, I'll give. you one where I was eating these lentils. and the test came back high. And so, we're like, why are lentils high in. heavy metals? Like, what's going on. there? So, we got a hold of the company. and we're like, what's what's your. manufacturing process? They said, actually, we use uh human sludge as our. fertilization. So, they're taking. >> like duty or whatever. >> Yeah. They're taking they're taking. human [ __ ] because it's like a. >> they're selling it. Yeah. [laughter]. So, they're using human [ __ ] to. fertilize and human [ __ ] has heavy. metals in it. So, then recycles back.

into the to the food. And so, we this. this is why I make this [ __ ] because I. shouldn't say stuff. So, we we want to. we want to source our own food. We want. to test it. I want to know what I'm. putting in my body. And so, uh we just. I've learned way too much. I'm like, I'm. so jaded now. >> So, the lentils, they were using human. [ __ ] on their crops and it was getting. into the lentils somewhere. >> Yeah. That's why because otherwise if. you think about it you're like what. foods naturally have high levels of. blank right or like cocoa has high. levels of heavy metals like it has high.

levels of cadmium naturally but then. people test that they're like here are. the brand rankings but then glyphosate. could also be present and so we found. that the brand had the lowest levels of. cadmium had the highest levels of. glyphosate by like 10x they had an oat. filler so it was in the oats. >> and so this is the thing is like you. once you. take a topic and you actually slice it. up to capture the nuance. It's just the. conversation online is almost never. right. Like when the things that d that.

gain trendy popularity, it's almost. always wrong. >> And would you say that some of it almost. is negligible then because at a certain. point just overall we are in a very. tough spot with um yeah. >> with what is in our foods no matter. what. 100%. Like that's what I'm saying. Like it is like I I don't people are. going to feel stressed about this. conversation. So I want to like make. sure we close. I want to I want to I. want to give like a few tips where. people can regain control of their life. Okay. >> So I don't want to terrify I know it's. terrifying. >> Well, one of the things that I even I.

think you've already done is that's why. you're saying like okay you may have. this diet if you have an olive olive oil. that you take when you're eating that it. will lessen the effects of your diet on. your system at the time. Yeah. >> So, and those are the types of things. that are are kind of important. It's. like, okay, well, I know that even if. some stuff I know is going to be not. great for me, um how do I at least just. mitigate what's going on while our. science uh hopefully gets um. >> you know, uncompromised, while our food. system hopefully gets uncompromised and.

we're able to get back into a better. place. But you were saying uh there are. some things you want them to take away. >> Yeah. Okay. Cool. So here's like uh in. short um this this list of things will. hopefully help people feel empowered. >> and [clears throat] not anxious. So yes, there's like all kinds of [ __ ] to be. aware of, but if you focus on these. things, so one is I've learned out of. all the things I've measured out of I. literally have like billions of data. points on my body over the past 5 years, if you distill that and say how many are. useful signal, probably a few hundred.

million. But it's the largest data set. in human history. The thing I care about. the most is what is my heart rate before. bed. It is like the most useful. biioarker and it's so easy because it's. free. So if you have a wearable you can. just pull up your phone, see what you're. wear your mark. So you go you lay down. on your bed, take a few deep breaths and. you calm yourself down and then you see. a number. Let's say it's like 55 beats a. minute or 60. Your goal in life now is. to lower your heart rate. So you say you. start off at 60 and a month from now be.

at 55. And so the way you do that one is. you have your final meal of the day 4. hours before bed. >> Yeah, I know. I know. I hear you. >> And no snacks. >> No snack. No food. So if your bedtime's. at 10, at 6:00 p.m. you're done. There. we go. That's a great chart. Got it. >> So these are the things. So when you. increase your heart rate before bed, it. wrecks your sleep. >> Yes. >> When you don't sleep well, your. willpower falls off a cliff. So the next morning when you're trying.

to decide do you eat the croissant or. the donut for breakfast or not. If you. haven't slept well, you're like 90% more. likely to eat the donut or the. croissant. >> Wow. >> If you slept well, you have a little. juice in the system. You're like, you. know what? No, it's not good for me and. I'm going to exercise, which then also. increases your willpower. So you get in. this really positive loop. So it all. starts with sleep and sleep is. determined by your heart rate. So for. example like so four hours before bed u. that is going to lower so when you have.

that distance. >> it allows your body to digest the food. >> It allows your body to say I'm going to. get ready for bed. So it lowers your. body temperature lowers cortisol. increases melatonin. So your body is in. a much better state to go to sleep and. stay in deep sleep. >> The second thing is your phone needs to. be off an hour before bed. You can't be. in bed scrolling, working, texting. You. need this separation because your body, the phone in hand is going to increase. your cortisol, increase your sympathetic.

activation. You'll be more anxious. >> and so you need an hour of separation. instead of the phone to go for a walk, talk to a friend, hang out, like breath. work, meditation, read a book, like. anything but be on your phone. That will. lower your heart rate. And there's other. small things like I do this nighttime. discussion where um I go to bed at 8:30. at 7:30m evening Bri or sleep Brian. comes on on duty and sleep Brian is a. version of me that defends my sleep and. so all the Brians line up so ambitious.

Brian lines up he's always the first one. >> he wants to work. >> and he's like I got a [ __ ] banger. idea right a brand new thing we're going. to do and sleep Brian says we see you. ambitious Brian like you're doing a good. job in life keep at it man also we're. getting ready for bed so we're going to. write down your idea and then tomorrow. we'll come back to it and ambitious. Brian's like, "Are you sure?" And Sleep. Brian's like, "Yeah, yeah, we got you.". So then he walks away. Then Anxious. Brian shows up and he's like, "Yo, today. when you were with Theo, you said that. thing and you were a jackass to him,

right?" It's like, "Ah, thank you, Anxious Brian. Great self-awareness. Appreciate you. We're going to write. that down. We're going to hit Theo up. tomorrow. Make sure we're all good." And. then like all the Brian's line up and so. you know this. >> and even G Brian ever show up. He's. like, "Hey, let's stay up.". >> All the time. >> Yeah, dude. Dude, this Brian is freaking. Leave me alone, Brian. >> Yeah. So, you'll see this like whe. whether you do this or something else, um the way this manifests is if you. don't do this, you put your head on the. pillow and then you loop,

>> right? Like you have these thoughts that. just like go and go and go and they're. the same thoughts and then you finally. fall asleep. You wake up three hours. later, there they are again looping. And. so they cause your heart rate to go up. which causes your sleep to go down which. crashes your willpower which crashes. everything else. So by doing this like. internal harvesting like you're trying. to clean up you're lowering your heart. rate. You're settling yourself down. You're getting to some point of. reconciliation. So now you've not eaten. for four hours. You've got off your.

phone and you've got some kind of. internal balance. Now you're ready to like I can put my. head on the pillow and have a decent. shot at a banger night's sleep. >> And so basically I built my entire life. around sleep. Now if you focus on that, it's just like so much of life is just. not doing bad [ __ ] right? This like. what we talked about before of like. whether you're happy or not in life is. how much you're doing which you actually. don't want to do. >> Yeah.

And then like all the other stuff like. all these little things about this and. that like don't worry about it yet. Just. get sleep in place. Get these basic. habits in place. Your sleep is going to. make you feel great. And once you get. that in a steady place, you can start. layering on good habits. But if you take. on too many things, you'll feel. overwhelmed. >> Yeah. >> So like get that in place. That's like. the the winner, >> dude. It's like there's nothing better. than when you like I'm going to sleep, >> man. And it almost uh what' you say?

>> How's your sleep? >> My sleep's [snorts] okay. It's not that. great. A lot of times I stay up editing, but it's but I also have gotten trapped. into a late pattern. So, it's like I. could get up earlier. It's just like I. have to line it up earlier. >> I could get up earlier, get get rid of. like uh the working out, the meditation, um you know, I'll do like some Zoom like. recovery meeting stuff and uh and then. all that's out of my head. >> Yeah. and now the rest of my day feels. more it feels easier no matter what I'm.

doing as opposed to these things being. later in the day and that I still have. to do them. That's one of the biggest. traps I set myself up for is. procrastinating like the toughest things. right out of the gate. >> and they even get easier over time. Um. >> yeah, that's right. >> But like today I got up I sauna. I do. sauna a lot. That is one thing that I. like doing. >> Um it just makes me feel activated. >> Um and not everybody can have a sauna at. home, you I don't have like a very fancy. one. There's a lot of different. affordable ones actually. Um, but that's.

something that I noticed has uh has. helped me a lot. >> Um, >> are you icing your boys in the sauna? >> Am I icing my body? >> Your boys? >> My nuts? >> Yeah. >> Nuh-uh. >> It's a good idea. >> You ice them in the sauna? >> Yeah. >> Whoa. Whoa. What do you mean? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, we did the an. experiment. So, when the testicles get. warm, uh, it has all these negative. consequences. Oh, it it destroys your. fertility markers. >> And so, um Yep. So, what you want what. you can do is on Amazon, you can buy.

like $8 ice packs. They're BPA free, uh. non-toxic, put them in the freezer, and. then just slide them underneath your. cotton. So, wear cotton underwear, then. cotton shorts, put them in in between. the underwear and the shorts. >> and just have them there for the entire. session of the sauna session. But we did. this I I did um the most measured sauna. experiment in history. We measured like. 250 biomarkers and we did ice on my. testicles and we took it off and it. annihilated my fertility markers. Now a.

lot of people will say like I don't care. about that cuz I'm not trying to get. pregnant or whatever but it has a whole. bunch of negative feedback loop. Like. it's a negative feedback loop. You don't. want to like annihilate them. You want. good fertility markers even if you're. trying to have a baby. >> Yeah. You want your brain to feel like. you're like just alive, >> ready to roll. >> Yeah. If your brain starts feeling like, "Oh, these nuts are useless," or. whatever, your brain's like, "Then what. am I sticking around for?". >> Yeah. Yeah. What's my Yeah, my job. Exactly. >> Dang, dude. Now, what if you just pour a. little bit of cold water on your nuts. every now and then, is that you think. that'd be okay? >> I mean, you could, but you got to keep. the water cold. Uh, it's got to be make.

sure you keep the temperature like as. long as you keep the temperature low. like whatever whatever you do. And then. after you do it, you know, just clean it. with like hydrogen peroxide or. something, you know? So, uh, and then. put it back in the freezer. But yeah, I. know it's like it's uncomfortable to do. it socially. Like you go out to like a. public place and it's like who's the. weird person putting, you know, the ice. pack on their balls, you know, but but. like it legit is it's good science and. uh it's a good practice. >> So keeping them cool, even if you had to. go to the water to go to the ice.

machine, get you a little sack of ice. and just set them on there while you're. in there. >> That works. Anything you can do to keep. your your ice testicles cold. >> Wow. Is the sauna is there a certain. type of sauna that you really recommend. or something that works differently? Um, there's ones now like I actually was. thinking about getting like a infrared. panel put into my sauna. Do you find. that there's any help with that sort of. thing? I know that's kind of two. different questions. >> Yeah, the the best evidence is with a. dry sauna. And so there's wet, dry, and infrared. And wet the problem is it heats up your.

skin faster than your core temperature. And you're trying to get your core. temperature up. >> So dry sauna and infrared rarely hits. the temperature levels you want. So, the. best evidence is you want to be between. 174 Fahrenheit to 212 Fahrenheit. >> Oh my god, bro. That's warm. >> That's your window. And then you want to. So, what you So, what we're doing now is. um one of the primary benefits of of the. sauna is when you go in there, your core. body temperature when it gets to about. 102 degrees Fahrenheit, it triggers the.

release of heat shock proteins. So, these are like um little machines, protein machines that get spun up and. they go around and fix [ __ ] They fix. broken proteins, missions. Yeah. Like. they're like flooding your body doing. good stuff, but it only gets triggered. >> when your core body temperature hits a. certain level. And so if you're not hot. enough, the sauna. >> so they're but they're very hard to. measure. So we're currently setting up a. lab uh a wet lab in my house so we can. measure this. We're going to try to. measure my heat shock protein release on. various temperatures, various durations.

Mh. So, what we've been looking cuz I've. been doing core uh temperature out of my. ear lately, but you can't the the gold. standard measurement is rectal, but. you've got to do that, you've got to. like be inside the ass for like two to. three minutes with a long probe. >> So, [laughter]. >> that's farm work. >> Yeah. So, I'm struggling with that one. Like, I do I do I do a lot of stuff, but. like man, I was like, "Guys, can we find. an alternative way of doing this?" So, we're going to do blood. We're gonna. measure heat shock protein release.

because that's like the good goody. stuff. But yeah, >> basically dry sauna somewhere between. 174 and 212 Fahrenheit for 20 minutes is. like a good starting point. And then uh. ice on the boys. >> Ice on the boys while you're in there. And you want to stay in that sauna for. you said for 15 to 20 minutes above. 170°. >> Yeah, that's like a good approximation. That's where the evidence is like if. you're in that range, you're getting. some benefit. I'm trying to go for like. max max max benefit, but like if you're.

in that temperature range for that. duration of time, you're going to still. get a good benefit. >> Wow, that's fascinating, dude. Um Yeah, because and and my my stepsister just. got me a sauna hat to wear in the sauna, too. >> So. >> that's good. Yeah, the heat will dry out. your scalp. >> Yep. >> Yeah, it just seems kind of nice too if. you know it's nice to have a little bit. of like a fashion accutrum in there kind. of. >> It's made of hemp hemp material. >> Yeah, probably something like that. >> Yeah. One thing we're trying to make an. underwear that's just all cotton, right? And it's American cotton. One of the. things I noticed too on underwear the. the night band sometimes the the.

waistband it's too tough and it makes. you go pee all night. >> Yeah. >> So it's like you got to wake up an extra. time or sometimes two. Like if I wear. some of these ones that are really. constricting. I'm like. >> Yeah. >> So I don't know. I just been trying to. think about making a decent pair of uh. of britches, bro. Something to hide your. [ __ ] in or whatever [laughter]. >> while you're sleeping. Bro, >> I hear you, man. This is a serious. problem. >> Yeah, dude. It's crazy. Um, I saw that. you went viral not long ago for posting. it was like uh nighttime erection data.

>> Yeah. >> Take me down that uh take me down that. wiener road for a second. >> Brian, what did you what did you see. here? Nighttime erection data from my. 19-year-old son. >> Yeah. And this is definitely. [laughter]. um nighttime erection d for my. 19-year-old son uh Tomas Johnson and me. His duration is 2 minutes longer than. mine. Wow. Yeah. Uh raise children to. stand tall, be firm, and be upright.

That's hilarious. Yeah. I noticed you. and your son do you he gets involved in. a lot of this, right? >> Yeah. He He's so cool. He's such a cool. cat. He uh he's my second uh child and. um he and I are just best friends. We. roll and man, like where did I we're. just twins. Like we just like you know. with Kate um man I love this kid so. much. We have so much fun together. >> Yeah. What makes him so special to you? I mean it's your son so that's one. thing. >> He [laughter] there he is. I mean.

>> that's cool. >> Like. >> he's in shape, huh? >> Who Who would do this with their dad? >> It's a good dude. That's actually the. perfect answer. Maybe Voldemort's son or whatever. [laughter]. You know I'm just joking. I'm just. joking, Thomas. No, but no, you're. right. Who would be like Yeah. Who would. do anything with their dad? >> Look at like the lower left. He's I have. my shirt off. Yeah. He's hugging me. Like we're doing a shirtless. skin-to-skin photo shoot. >> Like what fatherson does that?

>> Seems pretty tribal. >> Yeah. I mean, he's he's he's like And so. like we're there, we did a blood trans. So he gave me his plasma. I gave my dad. my plasma. We did like a trigenerational. thing. >> And is that was there any helpful stuff. in that? >> Yes. So my this the origin behind that. is my dad called me in a panic and he. said like I he's I just wrote this thing. for work. I stepped away from my my uh. desk came back to it. It was gibberish. He's like I'm I'm freaking out. And so.

that day my team and I had a call about. plasma exchanges. Like the idea of you. like there was a study where a old mouse. and a young mouse were sewed together. and they they shared a circulatory. system. The old mouse got younger. >> They were sewn together. >> Yeah. like they shared a system. >> That's kind of a shitty experience, right? Like to be that mouse in that. experiment. But the old mouse got. younger. And so there was this idea like. what's happening, right? Could you. replicate the results there by taking. plasma that is youthful and give it to. someone that is older? And so my I was.

like, "Dad, if you want to do this, I'm. happy to give you my plasma." Like, you. know, because there were some studies. being shown. >> Yeah. And then you siphon Talage into. it. like [laughter]. he so he he heard he heard me Talage. heard us talking about he's like hey. like. >> wow. >> if you want me in like I'm I'm happy to. be in I'm like you guys this is perfect. try generational plasma exchange. >> that shit's dope dude. >> yeah so we did it and interesting my dad. his speed of aging it's like there's a. clock inside your body of how fast or.

how slow you're aging. >> his speed of aging dropped by the. equivalent of 25 years so his body had a. dramatic reduction of how fast he was. aging from getting my plasma. >> How are you able to quantify that? >> Uh looking at uh something called DNA. methylation. So body your body basically. has these chemical signatures of like. what does your body look like? A. 13-year-old, a 20-year-old, a. 45-year-old. It's like an emergent. science. >> So it's like metadata almost. >> Yeah. Exactly. And so like it's a new. area of science. It's still emerging. It's not yet gold standard. So like you.

know it's not uh like. >> the like blood work is a gold standard. marker, but this is cool. And so yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically. My biomarkers didn't. So when when my. son Talage gave me his plasma, my. biomarkers did not change, which like. makes sense because my biomarkers are. already like his were already of. comparable health, but my dads are not. as good as mine. So yeah, that was the. behind that. So like my son Yeah. Like. he. >> That's cool. >> Yeah. But like he's he's um he's a yes.

and guy. >> Oh, nice. >> So like anything I say or anything I do, he's always like, "Dad, yeah." And you. know, like when I did the live stream, mushrooms, he's like, I'm in and I want. to hang out with you. And so he's just. like he's such a cool dude. >> Um I want to talk about the mushroom. stuff and but take me back to the. erections. Uh what and that's the only. time I'll ever say that probably. Um. [laughter]. but uh. >> it's like the time you were gay. >> Yeah. >> You never know. >> Everyone's a little gay. >> for one. Oh, dude. People's all a little. bit gay, bro. You [ __ ] tickle.

anybody. If you tickle somebody hard. enough, they'll admit it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, what did you notice about erections? Yeah. What did you guys find out here? Cuz you and your son both took this. Is. it a test? What did you guys do to study. it? >> Yeah. So, this the idea behind this is. um how do you tell if somebody's in good. health? >> Right. You can like look you can look at. them. It's like what is the skin. quality? Like what are their muscles? Are they aerobically fit? Um, it turns. out that nighttime erections for men is.

a major marker for health. >> and that if a man is not having. erections at night when he's asleep, it's representative of much larger. problems in the body. But after before. we did this, nobody talked about this. idea. But every night you go to bed, uh, your body goes through a natural process. of erection cycles. So men have between. three and five erections every single. night. >> It's not sexual. your body is just like. pulsing the system. Females have the. same thing. So, females also have uh. these arousal cycles. They're clitoris.

engorges. They you know, so so you can. you can measure a man's erections. So, we have this little device you put on. the base of the penis and you go to. sleep. You think it's annoying, but it's. actually fine. You don't even feel it. And you wake up in the morning and it. gives you a readout how many erections. you had, how long they were, and then. the strength the erections. And what. it's basically doing is it's telling you. the health of your cardiovascular. system, your psychological health, and. your physiological health. So, if your. if your dick is broken, something else.

is broken about you. >> And you could also use it as age marker. because as you age, uh like a healthy. 18-year-old will have something like 2. and 1/2 hours of nighttime erections. >> And by the time you get to 70 years old, it's down to like 51 minutes. So, it. declines with age. >> Papa's still rocking though. >> Yeah. So mine are uh my my best is like. three hours and 52 minutes. >> in one night. >> Yeah. Yeah. So I'm at the 99.9. percentile for nighttime erections. And. this is a cool marker because like.

people can can look at me and say like, "Bro, you still look 48. I don't think. any of your shit's working." And the way. to counteract that is when you go to. bed, your body just does it. Like I. can't change if I have erections at. night or not. I can't think about having. sex. Like your body just does it, >> right? >> So it basically is a question of like my. body. >> is behaving like an 18-year-old. >> like better than an average 18-year-old. >> Yeah. >> And so that's like a good marker of like. is my stuff working or not? Yeah. Like.

so that's what this whole actually I was. teaching my son like I was like hey man. how are you doing? Because as a good. father would want his son to be healthy. and he's like I want to measure it. So, so he's a very healthy 18-year-old and I. was trying to demonstrate that you I'm. 48 years old, he's he's uh 20. Uh our. bodies basically are behaving the same. >> So, uh yeah, people like definitely had. a lot to say about this post. >> Yeah. Well, it's I mean it's pretty. fascinating, you know, when you think. about that. You had 34 million views on.

this. >> It like that's not even like it went so. much more viral than that. >> That's insane, bro. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But dang. Also, it's a great business. card for your son in the dating world. >> Yeah. Like, you know what? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Or the longevity world. I mean, it's. just like Yeah. If that's something. that's just like it's your nature that. it's going to show up at night cuz Yeah. I notice that I definitely if I wake up. with an erection, I do feel more like, okay, I'm viral or viral. >> and I'm rocking, you know, and I still.

got it. You know what I'm saying? And. bring on the day. >> Yeah. Like you remember feel like when. you were like early teens. >> Oh, yeah. You're always erect like in. the middle of the day you have you just. become erect. >> Yeah. I remember walking down the hall. and having to like lean my body inward. like or like walk with your just. >> your book over your. >> Yes. holding your book bag and wearing. your book bag on the front. >> or just um or I'd walk and like just at. school I would just point my body. towards the wall and just walk sideways. and [ __ ] Just weird [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Exactly.

>> Just cocking around. >> That's like a robust function. But then. as you as you age, right, they just. disappear. Yeah. >> And so that's why it's so important. So. I talk about it because. >> people who don't have men who do not do. not have robust nighttime erections are. 70% more likely to have a cardiac event. >> So like you like you really want to know. >> Yeah. >> if it's not working like other stuff is. going on. And so yeah. >> Wow. A lot of my Yeah. There was a long. time I didn't because a lot of it was. psychological too. I think I was just. there was something going on in my head. that wasn't healthy. Um,

you had mentioned uh you had an. experience. I have to pee really quick. now. >> We just took a urine break. Dude, I pee. long when I pee, too, because I drink a. lot of fluids during the day. >> Yeah. >> Is that good or bad? You think? Does it. matter? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Do you cut off fluids at a certain time. at the end of the day so you don't uh. wake up to pee at night? >> Yeah. So, I like I measure what I did is. I measured uh my fluid. So when I. exercise and when I'm in the sauna, I'm. able to exercise how much I measure how.

much I sweat. So Gatorade has a patch, just put it on the inside of your. forearm and then it gives you how much. you sweat and also the content of your. sodium. So you have like a kind of a. baseline. >> and then you have an idea of like you. can back into how much should you. consume and should you supplement with. the sodium or do you already have that? So yeah, I consume about about 120 to. 130 ounces of water per day. So a lot. like you. I frontload it in the morning. and I stop around 4 to 5. >> So yeah, so that then helps me uh lessen.

the number of times I need to get up. So. sometimes if I'm lucky I'll sleep the. entire night and then other times like. probably half the nights, you know, I'll. get up once. >> Um but yeah, I try I stop fluid uh. towards the end of the day to stop. getting up at night. >> So you'll stop it kind of right after. you eat dinner. >> Yeah. So I Well, actually I eat dinner. at like 11 a.m. noon. I have my final. meal of the day around noon. Oh, you do? >> Yeah. >> And when do you have the your first meal. then? >> Uh when I wake up at 6:00. >> Okay. >> I wake up like at 4:00 or 5. Like four. or five and then I'll have breakfast.

before I eat. >> So you eat breakfast? >> Yeah. Like. >> so many things that are like don't eat. breakfast. I feel better when I don't. eat breakfast and I eat later in the day. and I keep it into a smaller eating. window, but you don't that's not your. practice. >> Yeah. Like do your thing, right? >> Right. You're saying do your thing. >> Yeah. Exactly. I do your thing. But I. like what I I built my life around sleep. >> like unquestionably. So the reason I do. that is because if I have my last meal. around noon, my heart before heart rate before I go. to bed will be around 41 42 43 beats per.

minute, which um if I have that, I will. have a perfect night's sleep. I'll get. like four to four and a half hours of of. restorative sleep. I'll fall asleep. within one minute. Um I'll, you know, half the nights I will not get up. Other. nights I'll wake up, I'll be back to. sleep within like a minute or two. And. so, um, yeah, and then once I have that. kind of sleep profile, like I feel like. I can take on life. When I don't sleep. well, it just it's like cra, oh man, it. sucks. I I hate I hate how I feel.

>> Everything goes downhill. Everything. does. The way I treat other people, the. way I treat myself, like you're saying, >> oh, last night's sleep was bad. Might as. well wreck the rest of the day. You. know, there's this. >> there's this like regenerative thing. that sort of continues to happen. >> Yeah. >> Um, do you uh take any supplements for. sleeping? Um, I take 300 mcgs of. melatonin. So, that's not to be confused. with a a milligram. It is like a third. of a milligram. Okay. So, very very. light dose. That's all I take.

>> in a powder or chewable or what? >> Just a I take a plant-based melatonin. >> Yeah. Instead of synthetic, but. otherwise, you know, people have their. sleep stacks. They have like the. magnesiums and like cool, but I just. don't need it. Um, yeah. What I've. learned is that the body is a clock. It loves consistency. And so we've. measured this where your body wants to. run. It runs certain biochemical. processes on certain time frames. So for. example, if your bedtime is 10 p.m. and.

you miss it, you say like, I'm going to. go to bed at 2 a.m. today, but I'll make. up for it. I'll sleep in till 10. I get. my full 8 hours. It doesn't work like. that. M. >> so at 10 p.m. your body has a trash. collector that rolls to the body and it. picks up the trash. If you're not in bed. at 10 p.m. and asleep, the trash. collector doesn't come and the trash. accumulates in the body. >> And so it's more important to be on time. and consistent. Otherwise, like the. body's processes can't do its thing. So.

that's what I've learned is like you. have to treat the body like a system. You can't just be like, "Fuck it. I'm. going to like power over it or like. run." You can't like the body runs on. certain principles of biology. You can't. overrule it. >> Wow. And it kind of makes sense because even. your brain like your brain's main job is. just to keep things organized. Your body. just wants to it Yeah. A system just. wants to run. >> Yeah. >> in an organized fashion. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Like you were saying like when we first. started talking is like you have a plan. You have a routine. Like it feels good.

You like mentally feels good. The body. feels good. It's just better have that. I read somewhere that you spend like um. a couple million dollars a year to take. care of yourself and to learn data. Um. what is it what does that financially. look like for you really? Is that the. truth? >> That was true I think initially. Okay. >> It's I think it's a bit less now because. we have all these systems built out but. the cost primarily came from hiring the. doctors, hiring the scientists. So we. had to like comb through all the. scientific evidence. Like for example,

if you do sauna, how do you do sauna? What temperature? What kind of sauna? Um, you know, how long do you ice your. testicles or not? Uh, how do you measure. your heat shock proteins? Like the. little minions going out doing the good. [ __ ] Like you have to go to this. degree, uh, which is extensive. And then. I bought a bunch of equipment like I. have a couple like I don't know a. million or two of equipment at the. house, all the various things. And then. just all the money for the. experimentation and measurement. But the. actual things we've learned are low. cost. like I can take everything I've.

learned and give it to somebody and they. can put it into their life like at a. very very low cost. >> So, it's been really just about um. there's there's actually very few. therapies that cost a lot of money that. are worth like most things don't work. >> Most things are [ __ ] And so that's. been the process of like spending the. money to figure out what does work and. then how those things work. >> What about red light therapy? Do you. think that's helpful? It's see this is. the thing is yes but you have to make. sure that you're getting the right.

amount of red light therapy for the. right duration of time. >> and so if it's like a face mask of. whether it's a panel and so we do things. like we'll take a panel we'll measure. the radiance like how much exposure. you're getting at what distance what. duration if you're looking for like deep. healing or longevity so again like I. don't want to make this overly. complicated but it matters and so we try. to be very precise like if you're doing. red light therapy get this dose. And now. you can just go to an AI model and be. like, I have this device. It has these. specs. If I want a longevity protocol,

how long should I have this? That gives. you the data. But you want to be precise. because a lot of people think like red. light's good. I'll just do it and it's. great. Like it's it's more nuanced. >> Yeah. Because I was talking about a. naturopath opthomemologist. Yeah. >> And she was saying that um some exposure. to red light therapy can be helpful. >> Yeah. I do it every day. I do red light. I have uh three panels that surround me. I that's red and near light. I do it for. six minutes a day. Okay. >> So, I do it every day. It's a good. therapy. >> Got it. Um, what about like barometric. those, you know, those like barometric. chambers? You see a lot of those at.

wellness centers. You know, I'll go to a. place where I get NAD every week and. I'll do NAD injections every day. Um, do. are you uh do is is the barometric thing. something you Yeah. recommend? >> Yeah. So, I have a hyperbaric oxygen. therapy chain. >> That's what I mean. Hyperbaric. >> Yeah. So it's it's potentially it's it's. right there at the very very top. >> So I'd say sauna, hyperbaric oxygen. therapy and like interestingly uh. mushrooms, magic mushrooms is up there.

But yeah, hyperbaric is uh one of the. best therapies like we all do with our. experiments. I did a 250 biomarker. measurement and what we saw after 60. sessions. >> um yeah there we go. There's the system. Um, we we saw changes in my brain, in my. microbiome, my skin, my blood, inflammation, like telomeirs. It just. had um more whole body effects. If you.

pull up do um find the one I did on X, Brian Johnson, um. HBO summary, it's the best skin. rejuvenation protocol in the world. It. rebuilds collagen, elastin fibers. It. gets rid of scinesscent cells, which are. zombie cells. >> How long do you need to be in there for? >> That's the thing. That's the problem. 90. minutes. >> and per day. >> uh per session. And you need to do 60. Yeah, there we go. That's a good. summary. So, it does 60 sessions each 90. minutes in 90 days. So, it's a gigantic.

amount of time. >> Yeah. And you can't have electronics in. there. It's too dangerous. >> So, yeah. This is the thing is it's it's. really inaccessible which is sad because. it's so good. >> 300% increase in formation of new blood. vessels. Telmar's activity of a. 12-year-old associated with biological. age. Uh 250 to 200 and 290% increase in. short chain fatty acids. But you'd have. to do this and then keep it up for every. year, right? >> Yeah. So actually so people don't really.

know. We're experimenting. But right now. I'm doing 60 sessions per year uh in. like a big burst and then I'll do like a. 20 session burst once per quarter. >> Mh. >> And so I'll do this around for example. like a a certain treatments like. >> Thursday I had a bunch of stuff done to. my face. So I'm you see how I'm beat up? I've got like stuff all over the place. Yes. >> Like under I I have like bruised. [laughter]. >> Yeah. You're a damn lab rat, homie. >> Yeah. >> You're a damn white mouse. >> Yes. like we as you age you you lose.

collagen and so your skin like gets. saggy and less plump and so I did a. bunch of injectables to rebuild my. collagen. >> Okay. >> And so that's why I'm bruised and stuff. like that. Um but then you pair that. with hyperbaric oxygen therapy and like. boost the therapy. Got it. So yeah, >> so that's the thing. So, say if I'm. going to go get an NAD injection or an. IV every week and it's going to take two. hours anyway while I sit in there, I. might as well sit in the hyperbaric. while I do it. >> if there's one there or do you think if. I only go 50 times in a year, is it even.

worth it? >> I mean, you like um there are you can do. like uh one session is good for you. >> Got it. >> And you can do five also good for you. There's like protocols that on healing. like diabetics will do like 10 to 20. sessions to close open wounds because. it's really great for healing. Um, this. is just like the longevity protocol. So, you can do le fewer sessions and still. do it, but you want to have it um it's a. compounded therapy. So, do them in a. close proximity, but no more than five. per week. Your body needs to have a.

break. >> Got it. >> Yeah. Um, yeah. I saw you do the. mushroom therapy, and that's one of the. things that kind of brought me like made. me think like, okay, this guy, it's not. like, you know, this guy's really he's. still out there experimenting and. wanting to learn more, right? Um, what. was that therapy like for you? And was. it were you surprised by it? And was it. psilocybin I guess and the effects? >> Yeah, that this is one of the coolest uh. discoveries we've made is um psilocybin. like sits in the world of psychedelics. but it's never been bridged over to.

longevity. >> That's a different way of thinking about. psilocybin and talking about it. And so. we said can we do an experiment to see. is our magic mushrooms a longevity. therapy? So same thing we measured 250. biomarkers and the data was insane uh. surprisingly. So like um we found this. new thing where there were studies in. mice that showed that the blood glucose. improved. >> Mhm. >> In me my blood glucose went from uh 98.2.

percentile in the population good to. 99.8 percentile I think something like. that. It almost hit like a metabolic reset in. the brain. Um, resetting your blood. glucose regulation, which is gigantic. It um took my inflammation levels down. to undetectable. >> It had changes in my microbiome. It um I. list them all out here. Yeah. Like it it. legit is a longevity therapy. >> Um it reduced inflammation and below.

detectable. uh calm my body and mind, lower cortisol, inhibited HPA access in. the days following the dose, >> made neuroplasticity in the brain, like. takes your brain to a more youthful. state. >> Wow. So, you guys did a lot of like. treatment while you were under this. And. did you then uh put this into your. protocol after that? >> Yeah. Yep. So, we it's really early. days. Nobody knows the ideal protocol, >> but right now it's like once every 30. days seems to be about right. >> And how much uh mushrooms are you.

taking? 25 milligrams of psilocybin. >> Okay. >> So then it depends upon the strain. So I. did the B positive mushroom strain. >> So it's like four and a half grams of. dried mushroom powder which then was the. 25 milligrams of psilocybin. >> So that's a real trip kind of. >> Yeah. It's clinical grade. It's like. it's just below a uh eco dissolution. >> Wow. So you have to be like in a say you. got to chill out somewhere. >> Yeah. You got to Yeah. You don't want to. beat the club, >> right? [laughter]. Yeah.

>> Um, and what about uh but you but you. but that was so helpful that you now. it's part of the protocol. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're doing our next uh. psychedelic live stream in three weeks. >> We're doing a new psychedelic. Oh, yeah. This is cool. So, yeah. Kate did it with. me. >> Oh, your girl did it and your son did. the first one. >> I know. He just showed up. So, at the. end of uh when I was coming down, he. showed up with my dad. >> Oh, that's crazy. Oh, we had such a good. family bonding moment, you know, cuz. like you're in that state and I I was. just giddy and euphoric and I was able.

to express things to my dad. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It Oh, man. Huge. And so then. Yeah. So, we did this. >> We see that the temperature. >> um when you take psilocybin, your body. changes in its thermal regulation. >> So, the extremities get a lot colder. You have a lot of heat going inside. So, we did that as a as a measurement. Um. but yeah, so we're looking at our next. psychedelic because there's like a few. things like um we did psilocybin, but. other contenders are um IA 5 MO um um.

what else did we look at? Yeah, so we're. doing one live streaming in three weeks. >> Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, I has been. one that's you should. >> it's I've done it before. It's been. amazing. >> You should come on. So last last time we. did this, >> we had people who came on who were so I. was uh tripping. >> and we had a bunch of people who were. commentators. >> who were like what's good like almost. like fight show stuff like you.

>> you should come on and be a commentator. >> Dang, bro. That would be so wild to. commentate somebody who's going through. an Iawaska experience. I'm not opposed to that. Where are you. based out of? >> Uh we we'll do it um internationally. So. >> Oh, you have to I guess. Yeah, but it'll. just be online. You just like we just. bring you in and just like, you know, it's like. >> it'd be actually it'd be fun to get a. few comedians. >> uh come in like, you know, give give. their two cents on like what's going on. And. >> are are there any psychedelics that you.

would say are definitively bad for your. brain? >> I don't know. I don't know the answer to. that. >> Is there any like therapy that you went. and tried and you were like, "Oh, this. is definitely not it." Or like was there. ever a place where you got scared like. you went to like um you know Romania or. some place you know I'm just hyp. hypothesizing but. >> yeah like if you pull up that image of. my face that blew up. You had it up. there before I Yeah. So. >> that's you. >> That's me. Yeah. So I got really skinny.

in the early days of this project. >> Really really skinny. And I lost a bunch. of volume in my face. And so when you. lose volume in your face it's very hard. to get back volume. So most people just. do filler, but I didn't want to do. filler. And so we did this Reneua, which. is this uh fat. So someone else's fat. >> So I injected it to my face and I had a. severe reaction. >> So that was So that didn't work. >> Bro, that's crazy, dude. I I saw this. earlier and I was thinking like, who is.

this lady that they're bringing up? [laughter]. I thought this was like a Native. American woman. >> Yeah, >> I totally thought this was a Native. American woman. Yeah, like the on on the. far right there, that was me like um. [laughter] like 45 minutes after the. injection, I was like, "Oh [ __ ]. >> this is not a good situation." It took. me like 6 days to to calm down. It was. bad. >> That's pretty scary, dude. >> Um spending all this time working on. yourself, right? H how do you stay out. of like ego with it? Because it's such a.

self, you know, in the end there's. there's some e because it's you you're. the you're your own experiment, you. know? Um, and then what are some of the. side like what has it cost you? Like. what have been some of the things like. have there been relationships you. haven't been able to have? Like has it. been tough to like um spend time with. family? Like what are some things what. are the side effects of being like you. know one of the biggest experiments in. in uh in history. >> Yeah. I mean that's that's like one of. the primary criticisms I get is people. say uh you know bro so busy trying to.

not die he forgot how to live. >> And um I understand what they're saying. I definitely understand the perspective. and I I view myself as a a modern-day. explorer, you know, like somebody who is. out there on the frontier trying to. discover something new and like, man, I. [ __ ] love this so much. I love this. game so much. Uh, I'm into it. Like, it. when I wake up in the morning, it's the. first thing I think about all day long. Like, what is the experiment? What is.

the data? What is the science? I love. it. And so I think people just don't. understand that it's a game I'm in love. with. >> And so, you know, is there a cost? Yes. Like are my friends going out and doing. things sometimes that I'm doing? Yes. But do I feel a loss? No. Like I'm very. happy with the situation. And so like in. some ways like I'm I'm a new kind of. athlete. I'm a professional rejuvenation. athlete. Like LeBron goes to bed on. time. He eats well and we're like go man. like you you play well on the court. People just don't understand I'm a new.

archetype. they haven't ever seen it. before. So, there's like just like a. disconnect between that. It's cool. Like. I I love the hate. It's like great. energy, right? Like it's just a lot of. discussion. >> Yeah. And there's just a lot of. confusion around it, you know? Yeah. >> I think you just don't know. Especially. at a time when there's like these tech. lords who it seems like they want to. like siphon everybody's andro chronome. or whatever. Have you had anybody hit. you up about getting some adrenocchrome. or whatever? >> Yeah. Uh. everybody has reached out to me. like.

everybody. >> top to bottom, >> you name it. And like it's just like. what you know. what gives you a feeling of power, you. know, like money, um, status or. immortality, like immortality, right? The other. >> talk everlasting. >> They just don't care. It's like they. just don't p this what I'm saying like. this transition is happening. >> Um, what good is money if you're dead? What good is status if you're dead? Any. world leaders reached out?

>> Yes. Yeah. So, it's just like. >> what worlds do you think they're from? >> I mean, they they like they they all. want it. They all want to be healthy. They all. >> Any world leader just hit you up. straight up call you right up. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean it's. like from everybody. >> Are you at liberty to say or No, you. keep it. >> I can't. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's okay. >> I Yeah. >> I had to ask. >> Yeah. I mean, there was like this moment. where um Shiing and and Putin, they had. this the hot mic issue a couple like. months ago where they're both like, "Yeah, like you know, looks like we. should be able to live like 150 years.

old.". >> I remember that. >> Yeah. So, it's like it's on their minds. like it's clearly in the zeitgeist. And. if you're in that circle, as I've. watched this, like it's funny in the. world of status and power, the the new status marker is health. like that's what gives people power and. like now like having a big bank account, sure it's cool, whatever, but like. doesn't matter as much. >> So it really is like this big zeitgeist. uh change on what it means to be. powerful in society and have status. So.

I love seeing it like the more that. happens the better off. >> Do you have competitors out there? Are. there other you out there that you start. to run across from different realms or. different countries or whatever? >> I mean like anyone who's trying I love. it. Like I'm a very much a yes and kind. of guy like anyone's out there. experimenting great you know like do. your thing be beautiful so yeah I really. try to encourage everybody like people. will call me and they'll be like I'm. going to beat you at your markers I'm. like great I will help you. >> right like I will make you better like I. will you don't have to make same make.

the same mistakes I have so um like. we're just when you think about it we. are the whole situation is so [ __ ] up. we're on planet Earth in the middle of. face. What is even going on? Right? And. it's like this is so crazy. And like the. fact that we're conscious is so cool. The fact that we're alive is so amazing. Like why wouldn't we do absolutely. everything in our power to keep this. game going? Like I don't want it to. stop. >> Yeah. >> And so like to me it's the coolest game. So yeah, it's like celebrate everybody.

who's trying to embrace life and like. honestly. >> get [ __ ] rid of everybody who's. trying to kill us. Like stop it. Stop. the [ __ ] killing. It's so crazy and. stupid. >> Have you had to separate some. relationships because your journey went. in this direction kind of? >> Yeah. My my friends are more like me. than I ever would have guessed now. Like. they go to bed on time, right? They they. see it. Um so I'd say my friend group, we now do things together and uh so no, I don't miss out much. Like there's.

there's some things like for example um. Grimes did a she did a DJ set. >> uh and she started at 1:00 so I went to. bed at 7:00 p.m. I woke up like at 9:30. p.m. >> Um and then I went out did her set with. her then went back back to bed. >> I did that with Aoki as well. So like I. I've been trying to like be balanced of. like be rigid. Also the rest of the. world parties at one o'clock in the. morning. So and I still had like a great. sleep score. I still got my restorative. sleep. Like I have tried my best to go.

after this goal of don't die but also. like try to find some compromise in. doing things that are currently normal. in today's society. >> Do you feel addicted to wanting to to to. not die? >> I mean probably, right? Like in the same. way like uh are are people addicted to. making money? Yeah. You know, are people. addicted to social media? Yeah. Like. like the human condition is kind of. addiction. >> And so like am I Yeah. I'm I'm lost in. this. I I don't think I've ever felt as.

satisfied and fulfilled as I do now. >> Wow. >> I've got a fantastic family. I have a. fantastic partner. I love the game I'm. playing. Um I just you like I I went. through like 10 years of chronic. depression. Like legit wanted to kill. myself and I would have done it had it. not been for my kids. So like I know. what shitty feels like. Like when you're. just like you're so buried deep and it's. like I don't know how I'm going to dig. out of this. Like it's just bad. >> What started the cause of that do you. think? Uh, I had, well, a couple things. One, I just had my first baby and he was.

collicky and so we weren't sleeping. It. was like six months of total sleep. deprivation. I was building a startup, so I was I had no money. I was stressed. out of my mind. My partner wasn't. working. So, I was a sole provider. And. so, it's just like no sleep and startup. and no money. And like I think it just. got me. >> And then once it got me, uh, like it's. very hard to wrestle your way out of it. when my circumstances didn't change. Like I still had no money. I still had. to make my my startup work. And so then. I just got deeper and deeper and then.

like it just kind of cascaded into like. a really bad [ __ ] So um I'm I'm so. grateful I didn't commit suicide, you. know. >> So. >> how much does the uh you take care of. yourself so much physically, you have so. much information about that. How much uh. how much are you able to um attach your. mental to that as well or what do you. notice about the physical mental. relationship? Yeah, that if when people. so right now if somebody is suffering. from anxiety, depression or something. else, the first move mostly is to take a.

pill, right? Like get on some kind of. >> Yeah. >> And so the first move is really to fix. your sleep. And the way to fix your sleep is to. lower your heart rate, lower the heart. rate, you have your last meal of the. day, like like do all these different. steps. Mhm. >> Now, that's not going to fix everybody's. issues. But having good sleep in place. is the most powerful thing anybody can. do in their life on any condition. And. then once you have that in place, like. if you need to to look at other options,

cool. But most of the time, people don't. look at the very basic things like are. you going to bed on time? Like when are. you eating that last meal? What's your. heart rate? So I have found that when my. body is operating well, my mind operates. well. It's a very symbiotic relationship. that you literally are what you consume. >> You know, social media, food, all the. above. And so, I don't talk about mental. health as directly. Um, I talk about get. the basics right and you see the boost.

in your mental health. Like, if I talk. to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room. like over half of you are in a current. mental health crisis. >> And the room always goes dead quiet. They know I'm right. I see it in their. eyes, right? Like they had a happy face. on. They're like smiling like, "Yeah, I'm got this going on." But inside. they're dying. >> Yeah. >> And you know, you can feel it. And so. when I say that and I puncture it and. it's like that's true. >> Like you guys like it's not good to.

build a company when you're suicidal. >> Right. >> Right. Like no one's winning here. So. like get your [ __ ] together. Um you can. build a great company. You can be. ambitious. You can be epic. like sleep. and like so that's really I mean I wish. somebody would have been in my life to. tell me that like hey man I see you're. ambitious like you have big plans for. life but like let me just kind of help. you get some basics right. >> Yeah having somebody mitigate having. somebody help you set some parameters. it's just so hard and it's hard to. believe it's like you know I remember. grinding so hard for a few years and I.

had like a mental breakdown kind of like. this was about four or five years ago I. almost literally felt something snap in. my brain. >> Me too. You remember the day that. moment? Uh yeah, I remember. Um yeah, I. do remember. I had some shows that were. in they were up in California. They were. Yeah. And I literally had to cancel the. day of. Never had to do that in my life. I said, "If I have to walk out there, I. I I physically cannot do it anymore.". >> And the whole time before that, I. thought that I just wasn't trying hard. enough. >> Yeah. 100%. You're right. I I would.

mirror your experience. I had the same. thing. >> Yeah. Did what did you do? Do you have. to go to therapy or something? >> No, I was in the parking lot in Oram, Utah with my brother in a red Saturn and. I said he was my business partner at the. time and I said, "Jason, um. I was talking to him about like I'm. feeling depressed. I just like can't. quite do things." And in that. conversation, something like snapped. like I I almost like physically heard a. snap and I'm like. >> me too. >> Something just broke in my brain. And my.

brother was like, >> "Just try harder." Right? Like he wasn't. uh I don't think he understood the if. you haven't been depressed, you don't. know. But like I will never ever forget. that moment. It was like 5:30 in the. evening. It was just sun setting. Um and. that was a put me on a 10 year long. hole. And so like you know I'm so. empathetic to people. Like I think it's. it is so much more common than than we. talk than like people talk about. I do.

think that like you said earlier that. when you said a lot like you were in a. in that meeting and you said a lot of. people here are uh are struggling or. barely holding on. I do think that that. that kind of thing is the truth that. like. >> we're all just in this space where we're. pretty close to. >> Exactly. >> We're just holding on. >> Yeah, that's a much better way of saying. it. But like it's. >> But then we're so used to surviving at. that space too, you start to think that. that's supposed to be the norm and it's. not. >> Exactly. Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's very real and like it. hurts and it sucks. There's no safe.

place to go. Like who do you tell us. about? Is it safe? Is it not? Will you. be penalized? Yeah. So, it's it's a. tough it's and then like the world is so. brutal on you. You can't trust anyone. Everyone's after you. Tough space. >> Yeah. And the truth is probably just say. what is going on. >> Yeah. >> You know, but it's so hard. Um last. question with with AI, you know, AI and. things are happening so fast and. differently now. Do you think that that. will have a large effect on um on on.

don't die on how we can live for on the. possibility to live forever or to have a. longer life expectancy and do you use AI. with your own data to help um create any. uh sort of real information? >> Yeah, this what what a lot of people. don't know is this entire project I'm. doing is about AI. It's not about. health. And so, >> like, what do you mean? >> Yeah. So, I did this um when I was 21.

years old, I had this ambition that I. wanted to do something that would be. useful to the human race. Like that was. my ambition. I don't know why, but I. just like I really cared about being. useful to humanity. >> I didn't know what to do. I wasn't good. at anything. I was kind of shitty at. most everything. And so, I said, "Okay, I'm going to become an entrepreneur. I'm. going to make a whole bunch of money. Then, by age 30 with money, I'm going to. do something epic in the world." And so, I did that. I by 34 years old I I sold. my company for $800 million but at 34 I. was burnt to a crisp. I just smoked and.

so I needed to recover and so but then I. had basically this qu open question like. now I have money what do you do. >> and so when you have basically unlimited. optionality in the world so I spent 10. years trying to figure that out and I. did one thought experiment which really. helped uh bring clarity is um I imagined. trans I imag imagined traveling in time. to the year 2500 so a few hundred years. into the future and there you are. sitting among those that exist like are.

they human? Are they AI? We don't know. But they there they are talking and. they're reflecting on the early 21st. century our time and they're saying we. appreciate homo sapiens that lived in. the early 21st century because they did. blank that allowed intelligence to still. exist in the universe. What they do like. they didn't destroy themselves. And I. thought about that question for years. I. think they say two things. One is they. say that's when homo sapiens gave birth. to super intelligence.

The second thing they say is they say. the second thing that they'd figured out. is that they wouldn't die. >> That they transformed society from a. culture of die of like I will um. pillillage you for my profit, right? >> Or I will yolo my way to death to. exchange for this to existence itself is. the highest value. There's nothing more. valuable than existence. And we will do. anything to fight for our existence.

>> And so the principles we talked about. today of like care like our society uh. would be better off if we really cared. for each other. If you really could. trust each other, like genuinely trust. And so what I'm trying to do technically. is when you uh it's like pretty. technical. Um entropy is the final boss of the. universe. So entropy is the disorder of. things. The second law of. thermodynamics. So eventually like a. warm cup of coffee goes cold, suns burn.

out, bodies die. Like things just. naturally decay. And so the number one. enemy of the universe is decay and. disorder. And life is a rebellion. against disorder. Like we somehow. survive. And so what I'm trying to. build, like my whole goal is to say as a. species, our number one goal is to build. a new anti-inropic system, like a new. life system that makes fighting for life.

the number one goal for all things. And. you can measure entropy or death in all. things. You can measure it in a physical. system. You can measure it in a. biological system, but you can basically. build it computationally. So that's like. a whole bunch of stuff. But the goal is. you can measure death. You can build protections against death. You can do it in the body, you can do it. in physical systems, you can align. yourself with AI. It's like it's a new. ideology, >> right? >> That I want it to become the fastest.

growing ideology in in human history. >> that it helps you understand existence. and it's competitive with any major. ideology. So there's like I need like. honestly like 60 minutes to explain it. cuz I know it's like I just jammed it. up, >> but it's basically a new way to exist. that like reframes our reality. >> Well, I do understand what you're saying. in the sense that a lot of history. people have lived as if. >> we die. >> Yeah. >> Right. Okay. One day we die. There's an. afterlife. You can live forever.

somewhere else. You can live extensively. somewhere else. But then to have this. concept and to really live [snorts] as. if don't die. >> Yes. >> Then now how do you live? >> Yes. >> Right. And that's a whole reframing of. things. Exactly. Right. >> Right. But I do understand that that. once you reframe it, it's like oh wow. >> Well, a lot more of Yeah. If the. afterlife or a lot of it can be here. >> Yes. Exactly. >> Then what rules change for me? what.

rules change in the world and uh how. does it affect how I play the game. really. >> Exactly. Right. And like the thing cool. don't die is that you can be Christian. and don't die. You can be Muslim and. don't die. You can be capitalist and. don't die. You can be anything and don't. die because don't die just says nobody. wants to die right now. >> It says nothing about 5 years from now. or 20 years from now. >> The single thing that every human agrees. to in this moment. One thing, nobody.

wants to die right now. That's it. After. that, there's no agreement on anything. And so if you build artificial super. intelligence, you're like, what do you. do with it? It's like, help me make more. money. Help me become better at war. Like, help me acquire more power. Like, what I'm saying is the the obvious. answer we say to AI, we want to exist, >> right? >> That's our goal. We don't want to. destroy ourselves. We don't want to die. individually. Not this is not saying we. want immortality. It's saying we don't. want to die right now. So you're trying. to basically just get a peace accord.

with all humans and all AI and say can. we just strike a deal where we have the. right to exist. >> It's like you the United States said. like you know life living in the pursuit. of happiness the new constitution for. our new species is the right to exist. >> And that's what this whole thing is. about. It's just like the very basic. primal desire. I want to take one more. breath. >> because we've almost grandfathered.

ourselves into this that we don't that. we can't. >> Yeah, that's right. Exactly. So like if. you if you don't state that as the. objective, >> right, >> then you point it at profit. If you. point it at profit, you inevitably like. have the temptation of saying, "I'm. going to take your life for my profit. I'm going to give you food that poisons. you but makes me money.". >> Feels like where we're at now. Yeah. It. feels like we're definitely part of a uh. you go all right, I'll give you this, then you go here, then you spend there, and then you go to this. But. >> um Brian Johnson, thanks so much, man.

>> Love it, man. Great, bro. So much fun. >> Yeah, this is super interesting, man. >> Can you can you imagine now a stand-up. act that would just rip me? >> Yeah. Well, I think I mean I think I. could think of a couple of things. I. could think one, you being on a great. roast over there. And that's one thing. they do at Kill Tony. They roast. everybody roast everybody. So, it's like. this thing. you're just part of the. universe, you know. Um, and then I could. think of uh. >> yeah of a great if like if there was. like a dope roast and you were one of. the people on it, people would have the. best jokes. [laughter].

I bet it just adds a lot of fun. So, I. appreciate you having a sense of humor. about it. Um, what are the what is a. cheat day like? Do you ever just want to. unwind? I did see you had a photo of. like the fourth like a fourth meal or. something that you had. >> that that was up on social media the. other day. >> There you are just geeked out right. there. Uh, >> yeah. I'm trolling. >> Oh, you're just trolling there. Okay, got it. Yes. Some Taco Bell. >> Well, like I said, decided to live a. little because like, you know, like it's. funny cuz people are always like, "Bro, live a little." But what they're saying.

is, "I want you to die, >> right? >> To show me you're alive.". >> And so, like, right, it's just like it's. fun. >> It is kind of true. Live a little. In. some ways, if we look at it, especially. diet, dietitionian, diet, dietetically. or whatever, we're saying, "Yeah, man. Diet, you know.". >> Yeah. >> Take the take the, you know, die some. >> Yeah. They want me to die. So I just I. like all things I really enjoy playing. People have a lot of fun with me as. well. Uh but yeah, like you know the. funny thing is the cheat day thing, man. Like I don't want to do it.

>> Wow. Have you gotten to the point where. you don't want to do it that you is it. always like that or no? >> Just got there like past couple years. It took me like a 100 reps. Like you do. it you're like. I'm going to do it and be fun and then. it happens. You're like god damn it. It's the worst. It's never worth it. Like it's it's so I I learned the. lesson. It's never ever ever ever ever. ever ever ever ever ever ever worth it. >> It just doesn't like I don't know of a. situation where I did something I'm like. yeah you know what now like when I did. when I stay when I went to bed early. went to the rave in the middle of the. night I got to dance worth it.

>> right. >> but like you know fast food meal like so. my team right now is we're uh they're. they're trying to convince me to get. drunk on a live stream. >> as an experiment. So like what does. alcohol do to the body? So we do the. same thing. We'd measure all the. markers. We look at my impairment. So. like if I were you I would do an. experiment like that but otherwise like. just to have fun like no man it's it's. miserable. I hate it. >> Has this challenged your faith? Has any. of the uh has it challenged which you. where where your faith lies? I know.

because you grew up in a Mormon. community. Is that right? >> Yeah. >> And has it challenged um. >> which I think is a great community by. the way. Yeah. >> Um has any of your practices uh. challenged any of your beliefs or your. relationship with that community? >> Yeah. I I joke with my uh my Mormon. friends. I'm a better Mormon than they. are. I'm I'm like the best Mormon, you. know, like [laughter and gasps] like uh. you know because um like sugar is the. currency in a Mormon. Like you can't do. there's not premarital sex, you can't do. porn, like there's a whole bunch of. dude, you can't drink coffee.

>> Yeah. >> Right. So when you have like a whole. bunch of nose, like it's got to go. somewhere. >> Yeah. >> So sugar is like the escape route. >> And so um. >> that's nice. >> Yeah. Exactly. So I I didn't mess around. with them. Like the thing is like the. the for me the hole in the world is that. we're in this wacky situation where. we're conscious in in in the universe. >> Like what the [ __ ] is going on, right? So bizarre. It's so bizarre. >> We talk about it every day. >> It's so bizarre. And so then like given. the bizarness,

there's all these ways of people being. like, "Let me explain the situation.". Right? Like but like I don't know. I'm. I'm more of the opinion of like how do. we know, >> right? like what what what are we. talking about? And so like but then if. you say like who says they don't know, it's a very very very small number of. people who say they're like atheists and. they don't know. But that's kind of like. a a defeist mentality. It's like we. don't know but like whatever. So like. what's missing in the world is an. ideology that's like we don't really. know and we have gusto like what because.

like when you're in a religion um like. you've got gusto to serve God and to. like you know obey the commandments and. like but like where's an ideology that. couples up I don't know and has gusto. >> and that's what's missing in the world. That's what I what I found is like you. you can intellectually be like legit. it's pretty hard to know what's going. on. also like we can stand up. We can. like we have power right now. Like it. was before AI, you're doomed. Like you. no matter what you said, you're off to. death. With AI, this is the first time.

ever where a human can be like, you know. what, I got a strut. Like I'm going to. pull my chest out and like I feel I feel. confident I can do something. And so. like we're at this brand new thing. And. that's why I'm saying like this moment. is. >> what makes you think about that just. because the the ability that the average. person could have now? >> Yeah. Like I mean you look at AI um I. mean like. you basically are giving birth to God. right like we when we talk about God we. say like God's omnipotent right.

omnipotent God is blank blank like we. basically assign these powers of like. anything and on some kind of time scale. AI is kind of that like when it's that. and how it's that like TBD but it's like. generally that. And so when you actually. have like the potential of building like. billions of gods or godlike powers of. like we've imagined, like why wouldn't. you immediately level up your your. ambition by like a thousandx,

>> right? Because you're taking some of the. more practical. possibilities of God and making them. more usable to the everyday person. Exactly. You're still not able to. replicate like a relationship that is. like spiritual in nature though, do you. think? >> Why not? I mean, it's just a biochemical. reaction, right? Every. >> I don't know. You think somebody just. messaging with like a fictional thing is. going to make them feel the same way as. if they feel like there's some. connection to a to an actual like. molecular existing.

force in the world. >> I do. I think that basically um. >> you think it's the same. >> basically when so you are 70 trillion. sales when the von experiences love. >> or um God or like take whatever thing. >> that is a biochemical pattern. >> Got it? >> And you can produce it with prayer, with. psychedelics, with meditation, with sex, right? Like there's so many ways to. replicate these experiences. So like if.

AI is able to develop drugs andor. experiences and or if we have implants. andor like you can you can basically. just map it back. It's it's very hard to. identify an emerging experience we have. right now and not be able to pull back. the curtain and say here's what happened. biochemically. >> Now like I'm open to other ways to. explain the world that you can't find a. biochemical signature for. Totally open. to that. But like in my experience, everything I am, I can just see the data. like it is a very clear reveal.

>> And so yeah, will humans be able to. experience transcendence and you know. unconditional love and uh extreme. fulfillment of purpose and like locked. in engagement. Yes. Like all those. things. And so I actually I'm I'm very. friendly towards religions. Like no. matter who you are, no matter what you. believe in, great, right? Like don't die. is something we can all agree to. And so. like I if someone says they believe in. an afterlife, super like you can still.

have your afterlife. This is not taking. away your afterlife. This is just saying. like right now we want to cooperate. because we love the game of life. If. that means you want to procrastinate. your afterlife for another hundred. years, it's still going to be there for. you. Like it's not it's not going away, >> right? >> So it's really about trying to strike. So it's the same thing about food. Like. I'm not a carnivore or vegan or paleo or. whatever. I'm not anti- relligion. I'm. not for religion. Like I'm just like, we're all good. Like everyone, we're all. good. We can be together. We can like. play the game together. We don't need to. fight each other. No one needs to be.

right or wrong. We just want to agree. that existence is awesome. >> Yeah. >> So that's like just trying to call peace. of all intelligence. Let's not fight. No. more killing. Yeah. >> Let's just be cool. >> Amen, man. Cuz I wonder sometimes if. like when when when kids interact with. AI and stuff like that, do they feel. like it's like the same as if I I feel. if I'm interacting with a real person, you know? Because Yeah. I just don't. know if you could ever get that hug, you. know, that kind of hug feeling of like. of your god, whoever your god is or. something. I wonder if you could ever. get that hug feeling. >> if like something that was.

>> Yeah. >> like man-made or synthetic kind of. hypothetically synthetic if would ever. be the same. But I mean, I think it's. all interesting conversation and um and. look, man, you're out there on the front. lines. You're like the only one in your. in this war. like you're like your own. Vietnam dude out there, [laughter] you. know? So, it's really cool and I really. appreciate your time, man. Um, tell what. tells we said what's up. >> That's cool. >> And um,

>> yeah, and Brian Johnson, thanks so much, dude. I'm going to grab some of that. olive oil. I do want to get some of it. And uh, >> I'll send you some. >> Well, I I'll support, man. But thank. you. But thank you even for coming, dude, and just sharing a lot of of this. with us. I think it's not just a it's. not just about um milligrams and this. and but it's kind of like a life idea. and it's a change of perspective. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> Yeah. >> So, I understand it. >> Yeah. I love hanging out, man. It was. really fun. >> Me, too, bro. I know you said we saw. each other at the UFC. I remember now. seeing your face for a second.

>> Yeah. >> And uh but I'm glad to see it again, dude. We'll have to get to one soon. >> Yeah. Cool. >> All right. Thank you, brother. Now I'm. just floating on the breeze and I feel. I'm falling like these [music] leaves. I. must be corner stone. Oh, but when I [music] reach that. ground, I'll share this piece of mind. I. can feel it in my bones. But it's going to take.