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and he's like dude I think your guests. are staying at our hotel and I was like. really that's awesome it was I been. there yet yeah it's a nice hotel um I. had you know what's how really small of. a world this is so I'm flying up here. direct from Phoenix to Nashville and. we're talking with Chris Clen here today. 27 and a half years as a border patrol. agent yes yes now I'm glad to be here I. was just you know saying I I flew in. from Phoenix last night and the lady.

sitting next to me was staying at the. same Hotel she'd never been to Nashville. it's been six years since I've been in. Nashville and she's asking if anything. you know what are you what are you going. to do I said well I got some business. I'm I'm dealing with she said you know. where are you staying I said well I'm. staying at this this where we're staying. it was there's a whole party of people. uh that she was with there was like one. of their girlfriends was having a. birthday party and so they all came up. here I'm yeah I'm like well I'm avoiding. that crowd tonight but it was but it was. a great great place last night very. comfortable and uh super super nice. hotel yeah.

yeah thanks for coming in man and yeah. thanks for making the effort we really. appreciate it you know you just always. hear so much stuff like about the Border. you know it's like the border and. immigration and like the effects of it. and I'm always just curious about like. what's going on you know like what's the. truth what's the reality um so you're. recently retired from uh your work as a. border agent yes and where did you. finish up at I was the chief Patrol. agent in Yuma Arizona which was pretty. much ground zero in 21 and 22 for the.

immigration and border security crisis. we've been dealing with yeah you and. when you say like well like what is our. current uh immigration policy yeah so a. couple things we want to talk about. right so immigration and border security. are actually two separate you know. they're not they're they're closely. related but this is where the problem. comes in we conflate immigration and. border security and we really need to. kind of separate those so I'll I'll talk. like my expertise my wheelhouse is.

border security immigration is a a a. longstanding process that's going on. been going on in this country for. hundreds of years right you have visas. you have people that come in uh you know. through the ports of Entry they apply on. the front end so there's that. immigration process you have. non-immigrants and you have immigrants. intended immigrants you have residents. it's a it's very very convoluted but. what happens is so many people are. coming in illegally and we don't have.

the right fix for that mass of humanity. I mean the the laws and the books do it. but when you're dealing with volumes and. volumes of people it's very challenging. so what I'd like to do is is and what I. do is talk strictly about more the. border security piece okay but but but. it's not lost that you have to have the. right mix because we have proven through. history go back 5060 years with good. lawful programs in place br program is a.

prime example where they brought in. guest workers specifically to work in. the fields the brero program brero. program yes that actually was where. Farmers could hire people for those. seasons and there was a drastic like. immigra illegal entry dropped because. there was a more clear and lawful. pathway for those that just wanted to. come work there was a plan yeah they. just wanted to come work right and they. were willing to go back after the season. and that actually we saw a drop.

historically in the number of illegal. enturies so these are I mean we have. proven it right in the in the past that. we can work and make things work in 1942. brero program an executive order called. the Mexican Farm labor program. established the brero program in 1942. this series of diplomatic Accords. between Mexico and the US permitted. millions of Mexican men to work legally. in the US on short-term labor. contracts um these agreements address a. national a uh agriculture C labor.

shortage during the War World War II and. implicitly they redressed previous. Depression era deportations during war. war II the US sought labor from millions. of. bros who had return to their country of. origin after the work permit expired. okay so that was like so you're saying. there was a dropped in and there was a. because there was a plan in place right. and it was strictly you know for a lot. of seasonal agriculture work and then of. course when the plan when they concluded. the program obviously it people were. still wanting to come back and so we saw. an uptick in illegal entry they'll there.

there's some you know some nuances and. stories about that program like you know. unions got involved and things like that. then it became you know you know you. priced out the farmer so hey you know. what I can't pay this kind of stuff but. it's an example that you can go back you. know from 1942 for another 20 years to. the 60s that hey you had a supply and. demand you had you had plenty of. agricultural work you had a demand for. workers and it it it can it can make. sense right we've done that with H1 and.

things like that over over time we need. to fix the leak in the boat right. instead of you know just you know. bailing out water we need to fix leak. and that's the border security apparatus. that's the what I like to talk about is. like hey we really need Americans. deserve to have a safe and and and and. secure border yeah and and then we need. to you know actually figure out better. lawful even short-term pathways for. those that want to come work tall fences.

and wide Gates tall fences is is. something that look it was actually. Senator Fred Thompson the late Senator. Fred Thompson from Tennessee that talked. about that kind of phrase back in 2008 I. said man that resonated with me so I I. kind of built off of that and said look. if we secure our border where it makes. sense where we need it the way the way. the border patrol says hey this is the. requirement and we build out a wide gate. that's the lawful Pathways the ports of. entries programs like brero and other. Visa programs cuz so many of the.

migrants that I've talked to and people. I know talked to they just want to come. work they're not really want to come. here and live here for very long or. immigrate here they just want to come. work and and eventually go back we got. to make that better and they're they're. using that influx of people all the time. I mean even when I worked in uh in. farming there was we always had some. dude sleeping above me or next to me or. you know separate beds but yeah same. room and um he was Mexican and we would. lay there at night and try to say stuff. to each each other and we couldn't and.

then we would just go to sleep yeah but. um yeah but yeah you have to have a plan. it's like you got to have a plan um when. did that start to change so they had the. brasero program so that was working for. a while um when did it start to change. where things got out of control with the. amount of people coming in so you know. we're going to fast forward we're going. to take a big leap because a lot of this. stuff happened before I was even born. right so you you you in the 70s you you. know there was it was steady Main.

Mexican adult men coming to work doing. seasonal work in the 80s the same thing. right the same thing they all came in. they were looking for work even even our. farm and labor had not been you know. industrialized so much you know we were. still handpicking things right um so. we've always had that steady flow uh. throughout history in the 80s in 1986. there was a a lot of illegal immigrants. here and uh President Reagan did an. amesty that was that's always the fix. all politically we'll do an amnesty.

we're going to we're going to clean the. slate and we're going to really start. doing some things like you get. grandfathered and what ises an amnesty. mean that's basically saying you've. you've been grandfathered and you're. here you're here illegally you you we're. going to let you stay you made it like. you're safe it's almost like the guy in. baseball the referee saying you're safe. yeah yeah I mean it's it's you're. already here we're not going to we're. not going to deport you go ahead and try. to start going through a legalization. process you're here to work and and. that's a huge pull factor. because often times the migrants know. hey if we can just get here right and we. lay low eventually we may get some kind.

of amnesty so that that began again in. the 80s I came in in 1995 I joined the. board of Patrol in 1995 okay um it's. it's very interesting especially in. today's political times I think it was. 1994 may have been early 95 but then. President Clinton spoke at a state of. the union and he talked about the crime. Bill the 1994 crime bill which is. prevalent today because we know we have. President Biden who was a Senator back.

then in that speech Clinton says we're. going to put 5,000 more police officers. on the street to include border guards I. was one of those 5,000 hires in 1995 and. it was based on some of the things that. uh then uh Barbara Jordan had had really. spoken about we have to secure our. border we can't we can't just have. illegal immigration constantly you know. threatening our our our businesses and. everything else so so was the crime Bill. started because they needed to secure. the Border it was just a general Bill.

like we need more protection we want to. put more people on the streets so if you. think about the crime bill it had to do. with gun control okay had to do with. police reforms a lot to do with you know. jail sentencing so it wasn't the best. Bill but it certainly got more police. officers and I got hired under it so I. so I was in favor of so but it was a. general policy it wasn't just about the. board right no got it right so it's more. police officers um it is the largest. crime bill in the history of the United. States and consisted of 356 pages that. provided for 100,000 new police officers.

$9.7 billion in funding for prisons. which were designed with significant. input from experienced police officers. okay yeah so the 100,000 I think that. was probably an endgame and probably. included jailers and but it specifically. talked about 5,000 on the streets right. away um so so that's how you get started. that's how I get started and we were. still and I started in a town it's. really you know I grew I'm from New. Orleans I grew up in in Houston um and I. we can talk about some of my Journeys. over. my career but what's interesting is I.

had over 3,000 people in my high school. I went to a and after college and I. joined the boorder of Patrol I went to a. town of Lordsburg New Mexico and the. whole County had maybe 3,000 people it. was it it was crazy right the the the. cultural shift from you know big urban. life in Houston to to the country but I. but man I tell you what I fell in love. with it and um but I went almost 10 days. before we made our first illegal alien. arrest I mean it wasn't things was just. weren't that busy and and it was mainly.

again single adult Mexican Nationals. occasionally you would get people from. Farm hands yeah that's pretty much what. and and and kind of like what you were. talking about earlier we lived out on a. ranch when we were there and and the the. landlord land owner he was like yeah you. know they just they come through here. I've I've watched them over generations. and and over time you would catch the. same group every season cuz in New. Mexico it was big green a lot of green. chili so they were all a lot of chili. picking and you would see these people. and it was a cat Mouse game it was fun.

and you saw them you know a couple times. a year cuz you'd remove them and they'd. come back and sometimes they get away. and people would probably leave water. and food out for them at that point. because there was a probably I'm sure. when things are comfortable there's a. level of like sharing and caring that's. able to be uh offered I feel like when. you're not operating from a place of. fear you know yeah you're exactly right. because look a lot of these folks would. come through and they would they would. mck a stall they they mend a fence for. food and a place to sleep and and then. to continue on their Journey that was.

just the way of life and it wasn't it. really wasn't until the late '90s so i'. had been in a couple years in the early. 2000s that we start seeing a change in. aggression and more of a demanding. mindset from the migrants so you know. even our culture in our society we were. getting a little bit more our our our. youth was a little bit more you know. kind of rambunctious and so we saw that. transition even with the migrants so. then they were demanding. that you feed them or stealing stuff we.

were seeing that change which you know. that was I think just naturally. occurring across Society it wasn't. specific to the migrant it was just we. had rebellion in our own streets you. know um that's interesting yeah because. we because they wouldn't fight back then. then all of a sudden they started. fighting and resisting you're like okay. what's this all about this never. happened I wonder if it was like because. of like music influenced that or I don't. know I'm sure they probably listen to. different music it's just interesting. that that kind of that's a big change. yeah because we saw started seeing a.

younger crowd coming in and the younger. uh uh I call them kids were a little. more resistant than the the older Field. Farm Workers they they kind of knew like. all right if I just get you know don't. run from the border patrol uh they'll. feed me and they'll I'll be back in. Mexico in a couple hours and I can start. you know a couple more days and you you. would catch sometimes uh we can talk. stories here later but but they started. getting more aggressive started more. getting more aggressive people started. getting more aggressive maybe they were. listening like Easy E or something or. Easy A could have been you know yeah um.

it was uh it was interesting right we. started seeing uh a change in a lot more. of cartel control on the southern on the. south the Mexican side so that kind of. started pushing some of the influence of. where they were going to come through. and then you know we we noticed that the. price to cross started increasing in the. late 90s early 2000s and I think that. adds to the aggressiveness because. they're dealing with you know Bad actors. right the cartel is is you know you want. across through here you're going to have. to pay right so now there's yeah there's.

a different energy coming over it's not. just a guy coming over to pick peaches. or to be a part of um like kind of. sharecropping I guess type of Vibes uh. it's somebody who's paid a cartel can. you expound a little bit more on that. like the cartels start to uh they start. to recognize there's a business in. letting people cross through the land on. the Mexican side is that is that what. you're talking about yeah so so people. were were still coming to look for work. right still going to do some of that you.

know field work but now they had to pay. somebody to cross so now they're like. hey I I don't want to lose the the the. thousand bucks I paid to come through. this area now I'm going to be a run so I. think that kind of increased some of the. aggressiveness because look they you. know or they may have been threatened. and so now it's like hey that that the I. just paid to come through here now now. border patrol is about to arrest me I'm. running or I'm fighting because if I. have to go back then I'm have to pay. again we started seeing that Dynamic and.

I think that may have been aside from. just youth in general across the world. we're getting a little more you know you. had more TV you had more shows you know. we had still hadn't had the onsite of. internet and things like that yet but I. think that was the the shift and then. you know obviously we talk about the. cartel because that is that that is a. big business yeah but just to interject. so that was because the when you say. that people were having to pay to come. they were having to pay a cartel yes. yeah there was a plaza boss in every. area along the border right it's run by. the the bigger cartel so you know if you.

want to cross near palus Mexico which. was near my area um you're going to have. to pay a plaza boss so if you're going. to come through here to to work your way. to you know a small farming community in. New Mexico and you had to pay you don't. want to have you you don't want to have. to go back because you're got to pay. again now you got skin in the game yeah. or or even worse if you didn't pay and. you snuck in around the plaza boss and. you get returned back the plaza boss is.

gonna say hey wait a second I don't. remember you paying me yeah and that. could that could cost them their lives. because you know the cartel was pretty. ruthless you know so I think that. combined with just change overall in. general of society across the world you. know just kind of bumped it up and it. was in the late 90s and early 2000s and. you know on top of all that we started a. little bit more forward deployment and. posture of the enforcement side so it. became a little bit more difficult to. get across so there was a it's a a. combination of several things and it.

kind of plays into the the overall story. where we are today wow yeah it's really. interesting man so um what is the. current immigration policy is that a. fair question as you so it depends on so. again it's so vast like are you coming. over here as a tourist then you get a. visa for six. months and if you come here to you come. here to work you got to get a work you. got to have a passport and a worker visa. I think what what we want to talk about. is like hey what's happening at the. border right now and why are we in this. mess right and I think we can we can. kind of walk through that because.

because I think it's important for you. and and and the audience to know like to. come to United States you have to have. permission and that's starts with a. passport and a Visa now there are so. many types of visas from you know from. entertainment to family to work and it. really just depends on what it is you're. after if you're coming here and you have. a a valid passport and you have a you. want to be a a tourist for six months. you get a tourist visa. um and you you get it stamped and you.

fly in or drive in you come to the Port. of Entry and and you're free to move. about the country for six months if you. overstay then you could be deported but. most tourist visas are for six months. and in that window you become become go. okay so why did people not want to use. the pathways uh the legal Pathways to. immigration like takes too much time. it's it's the the line's so long ah and. that's when you hear people say the. system is broken it's because there's so. many people in the system and the line. to come in the right way is so long I.

mean for example if if you're a small. business owner and you can't find the. workforce you need to maintain your. business it would take you probably two. years about. $10,000 you got a deal with about four. federal agencies to try to get those. employees meanwhile if you're just a. startup and you're trying to to start. things up you could you could lose. business lose that opportunity it's so. it's because it's so convoluted so uh uh. so long to wait you mean if you need bus.

if you need employees from right out of. country anywhere oh from anywhere out of. country yeah anywhere okay U and so it. deinen diviz because you know for a. small company to say I got to spend this. money and I may have to wait years to. even get those employees but I can hire. this guy off the street now and nobody's. asked any questions that's why we've got. to really clean up this mess right I. you're saying let's there's we there's. people that like they call it the death. Visa they've waited for so long like. literally 20 or 30 years to get over.

here that they'll it just they they've. got to really work on that and I do. believe that if we can come up with that. wide gate that clearer pathway that will. to some extent reduce the humanity. that's coming in illegally that's. causing our security vulnerabilities you. know and when you say like uh people to. being being hired and and businesses. having to wait a long time most of those. businesses we just thinking like uh. labor type of work is that what we're.

saying probably yeah in most cases but. you still have you still have you know. stem type uh uh businesses where um you. know people have to you know there's. there there was work visas established I. think in the late 60s about 144,000 of. of non-immigrant work visas certain. criteria and that's not a lot of lot of. visas for people from and in every. country has a bite at that 144,000 I. think is the number and that's still all. we have yeah they haven't changed it. it's 202 for why I mean and and that I.

think is where the frustration Lies when. you see is that true that's how many. work visas can you non-immigrant. non-immigrant visas uh there is a uh. it's I think it's around 140 something. thousand yeah wow yeah and what does. that mean non-immigrant vises they're. not coming here to immigrate and stay. they're just here to work oh my gosh. that's so few yeah yeah when you when. you put that in perspective how many. people are getting caught and released. into the country and they're looking at. oh well we want to give them work. opportunities while they're waiting on. their hearing but yet you've had an a. quota established for over 50 years and.

you haven't will willing to change that. what about the poor people that have. been waiting in line to get that work. Vis what about the business owner that. has been waiting his turn to to hire. people so people from wanting to do it. legally at a certain point spot on spot. on why why wouldn't they want to change. the work visa why wouldn't they want to. add more has it become man I think if I. could answer that question you know we. would solve a lot of problems it's. Congress it's Congress and and and this. is one of my one of when people we talk.

about the problem and and um you know. it's it's we don't need the bureaucrats. and the elected officials in Washington. making these decisions we need them to. go to We the People go talk to the. business owners talk to the community. leaders talk to the hospital staff talk. to the Mayors the County Commissioners. say what is it that you need to attract. and attain the best and brightest to. come over here what is it that you need. to maintain your lifestyle and your. Community as an elected official you.

know or you know that's where those. decisions get rolled up and then. Congress you know passes a bill that. says this is what we're going to do if. we're just relying on bureaucrats and. elected officials that are in Washington. they're just doing it because of. interest you know lobbyist right it's. Lobby back to the people who says you. know because think about it if you're. you're if you're in a community that. says hey I'm trying to you know build. this I need some I need fresh employee. Workforce I don't have it here locally. but somebody from another representative.

from another part of the country makes a. bill that doesn't impact you or impacts. you negatively that's not representative. so we really we really need We the. People represented and I know that's. that's kind of a very naive approach but. it is what is necessary especially if. you want to solve this immigration issue. we we know we have Labor shortages we. know that there are people that want to. come over here and provide or and do. good let's let's hear from the experts. and that's the that's the the the. academic world that's the business world.

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Mexico that was all was that also a. reason like was there something. happening in Mexico that we don't know. that people were like okay we have to. get out of here that was causing more. people to come no no and in fact uh. there's been a there's been an evolution. uh uh and change in and I don't know if. evolution is the right word but a change. in demographics over the last decade or. more again when I first started it was. mainly single adult Mexican Nationals we. started seeing influx yeah guy with some. sandwiches. coming to work what it was right um then.

we started seeing an uptick in central. Americans you know the northern triangle. Honduras El Salvador Guatemala um we. started seeing that show up in the you. they were always coming but it was what. we started seeing an uptick in the mid. 2000s in the. 201s really 2012 13 we started seeing a. big change of family units and. unaccompanied children and mainly. Central Americans in the last five or.

six years it's been a world. problem I was the chief of Yuma from. December of 2020 to December 31st 2022. so just over two years as the chief of. that. sector rarely did Mexico or Central. American countries make my top 10 daily. or weekly numbers it was all over the. world I led and so that's been the. phenomen that's changed over the last. few years is and and that's another.

misnomer that most people think it's a. Mexican problem or it's Central America. no it's not it's it's a it's a people. from all over the world coming in to. this country yeah here's an article. right here it says Chinese migrants. pouring across Southern border spark. National Security concerns more than. 20,000 Chinese Nationals have illegally. crossed since the new fiscal year began. on October 1st is that true yes yes. there was uh. today's Wednesday so I think Tuesday.

Monday or Tuesday there was two almost. 270 in San Diego alone 270 Chinese. people yeah China where are they coming. from China coming from China to Mexico. and up the gut to into the United States. so that that's that's since. October 20,000 and here's the other. thing too A lot of these Chinese. Nationals and a lot of the people that. we're catching and we're seeing down. there are a single adult men like 18 to. 45 year old range I was I was in uh uh. Eagle Pass Texas uh right before. Christmas and I was down in lukeville. Arizona right before Christmas when.

those places were really popping and. there'd be a thousand people on the. ground there 800 be single adult men wow. and the other 200 be families and some. kids so is that mean that it's getting. back to the traditional like element. that you're talking about no no it's. that's that no these are these are. people a traditional element would been. a single adult Mexican national these. are single adults from morania from uh. New Guinea from West African countries. from China from you know uh um just you. you name it they were coming from all. over the world and and and it's also.

important though this is this is how. they get here they they fly in to Mexico. City or Cancun on a tourist visa and. then at least in when I was in uh in. Yuma they would fly from Mexico City to. Baja California on that same tourist. visa and then they would take a shuttle. bus to the Border uh 45 minutes away and. then come across um uh still doing that. and they're just coming up different. different locations so they they fly.

from all over the world uh into Mexico. City there is still lots of groups that. will fly into South America and go up. through the Darian Gap into Panama and. into um Central America and work their. way the traditional migrant route but a. lot of them are flying in and they're. they're really crossing the desert for. 45 minutes maybe oh they're not yeah. nobody wants to work anymore you know I. mean nobody yeah it's like even when it. comes to migration everybody's just. cutting corn are like taking the easy. route I guess but um so that's.

unbelievable to me that it's so diverse. yeah so what are all these guys doing. like are they like are these people. whose families have been here and they. couldn't get here to them who have been. waiting for a Visa are these people who. are um need a job and they have a skill. set that they something has happened in. their country like religiously or uh. like. um like uh with a change in government.

or something and they don't have like is. it bad people is it o or is it good is. it all who is it it's it's it's it's. really a popery of all of this right um. so you hear the term Asylum Seeker. throwing out a lot many of these people. are not seeking Asylum okay what does. that mean Asylum Seeker so that has been. a narrative change that uh uh a lot of. people on the Progressive Side open. border mindset say everybody's here. trying to seek as they want a better. life well we all want a better life life. but there there are certain standards to. meet Asylum Asylum means you are uh you.

are pretty much being persecuted for you. know your uh uh uh gender your uh. religion your political affiliation you. know living in a bad neighborhood not. finding a job getting beat up by a gang. is not Asylum it may be a rough life but. they're that's that's Jacksonville so. they'll they'll just basically say. everybody is Asylum that's not true okay. they and and by the way there are two. types of as I this is I don't get too. much into this but there's an.

affirmative claim where you are leaving. your country because of you're being. persecuted for these reasons and you. fill out like I am seeking Asylum like I. am filling out a I think it's a 595 form. and I fill it out to the I need Asylum. because I'm being threatened for this. that and the other thing and and that's. an affirmative somebody outwardly. seeking let's for example you are and. there's a piece in that Asylum uh. affirmative claim it says regardless of. your status at entry in other words.

regardless if you're here legally or not. you can affirmative seek Asylum if you. meet a criteria that for example let's. say you're a student on a Visa you're a. student from the Ukraine and the. semester's out and you your Visa is. about to expire but you you're you want. to go home for the summer um but there's. a war breaking out in your country I. your neighborhood's been destroyed so. you can apply for Asylum and let's say. your Visa expired right because you're.

waiting to get your plane ticket and now. you've out of status so you're here. illegally but because of the situation. you can affirmative claim for Asylum. because you have there's nothing there. so that's a way that is by seems like. the way the law should be used right way. to do it something's changed you you yes. you are out of status now but you can't. go back to your country your. government's in shambles I need to stay. here I need to stay in that's perfect. that's that's what the the laws are for. right your government's killing women. your government's killing gays your.

government there's a war right and I and. I can't go back you know but people but. but people are abusing that right so. well that one not so much the other one. where I was going is the defensive claim. and that's under a credible fear claim. so you cross the border illegally you're. arrested by border patrol border patrol. process you for removal during the. process and removal is deportation so. you're going to get your hearing in. front of the judge we ask you if you. have credible fear of Return To Your.

Country well most of them say yes. because then we ask a few other. questions and they get to go have a. credible fear screening now nine out of. 10 people do not meet the criteria for. credible fear but it gives them an extra. bite at the Apple anytime during the. process because they're just coming to. look for work they're from a bad. neighborhood or they had an abusive. relationship that's not a Asylum but. they can use credible fear and Asylum as.

a defensive claim and that's what the. majority of these people that we are. encountering are using that as a as a. credible fear Asylum claim wow um and. also on Asylum just in general is you're. supposed to seek Asylum asylum in the. first Asylum country you step foot in so. if you it would be Mexico it would be. Mexico which is why the policy of the. remain in Mexico the migrant protection. protocol so many people were coming into. the United States after passing through. multiple countries that were Asylum.

countries but they were claiming it oh I. want it here can you send people back. based on that or can you reject people. based on that like so what we did under. the under the uh the Trump. Administration is we created the migrant. protection protocol and said all right. you're here you passed to Mexico you you. want Asylum um you should have claimed. in Mexico we would send them back to. Mexico to wait for their hearing here. when that happened the numbers just. dropped people realize we just Clos that. loophole cuz they didn't want to wait in. Mexico they CU they if you were really.

seeking Assam if you were being. persecuted You' take refuge in the first. place you could seek Refuge okay and. some people are flying through multiple. countries all look if you if you were. from Pakistan and you were uh uh. targeted because of your religion yeah. and you got on a plane and flew to. Germany Asylum country you flew from. Germany to the UK Asylum country you. flew from UK to Mexico Oh Asylum country. you crossed the border illegally unit. States oh no I want Asylum okay you're.

playing a game here man yeah it may be. the better place of all those countries. but if you're using Asylum right you. should have got off the plane in Germany. and said I need help I need to seek. refuge and then and then and that's. that's the loopholes that some of the. policies that we had in place close and. the numbers I going to tell you the. numbers because you can see where all. this where all this works let me let me. let me just take this here and so once. people can just say I'm here to seek. Asylum does that limit the border patrol. agents do you then have to follow a. script like there's no like once.

somebody says a certain thing like do. you then have to go by a script and. there's nothing you else you can do yeah. so the great question and so we're. processing somebody for what we usually. call a notice to appear in other words. you're being you're being processed for. an appearance in front of a judge to be. removed or make your claim is and we ask. them if you claim fear if they say no. it's just check a box no and you. continue to process and you would turn. them over to Immigration and Customs.

Enforcement for detention if there's. spaces to hold them if they say yes it. is five additional questions for us that. we have to answer and I don't recall the. questions anymore they get answer yeah. yeah yeah so if they say yes I have fear. yeah fear I want Asylum we ask these. five questions and there's a form that. we put on there and so that that case. goes into a credible hearing process. process in other words they're going to. get in front of a uh an asylum officer.

to go through that and again that just. gives them an opportunity to stay a. little bit longer until that Asylum. officer decides yeah you meet the basic. criteria and then you'll get in front of. a judge you know at a later date but. yeah absolutely when somebody claims. fear or claims they want Asylum uh we. have a protocol an extra form that we. fill out and and we we take care of that. yeah so that's that's another thing that. was always kind of a misnomer like oh. border chance or making those decisions. no we're not it's it's five extra. questions it's really easy for us yeah.

it says right here uh unfortunately a. growing number of Asylum Seekers are. well versed in our laws and more. importantly what they need to say in. order to get a foot beyond the first. Asylum hearing as a result many. individuals claim credible fear of. persecution in the hopes of being. released or allowed to remain in the US. this creates several significant. problems improper claims cloged the. system and deny legitimate Asylum. Seekers of Swift ucation yeah. adjudication adjudication thanks of. their claims uh two the US government. must devote valuable resources to the.

care shelter and processing of large. numbers of people who likely will not be. ruled eligible for Asylum or simil. similar protections and uh number three. the longer the Asylum loophole exists. there will be human traffickers and. false Asylum Seekers who will abuse the. system and put their own lives at risk. too yep that's that's that's what is. that mean. so they're coached that this is the. marketing piece of so. the cartel and I'll use the cartel and. smuggling organization interchangeable I.

mean cartel is the hierarchy they're the. ones the big boss and each one of them. have they're commodity neutral whether. it's people or things they're going to. smuggle it pay for it whatever okay and. they own they own kind of Plaza space. along the what you call it the plaza. boss was somebody that owned like the. area near the crossings where people. going to cross and they may not own the. land but they they're the mafia there. yeah that's basically it right okay. difference is is you know it's the. cartel really has got huge influence. over the so much but to to those bullets. right it's a real Mafia not like our.

Mafia who's like yeah a couple so I used. to kind of compare the two but you know. um. you the the the mafia back in the day. here in the United States you know you. wouldn't need a a military to take it. out where the cartel is is well well. armed and well financed to handle things. and you know a police officers are not. going to go take out the cartel right. right um but those those three bullets. uh in kind of par phrase in that is. number one the the rhetoric that goes on.

in our political and media sphere in the. United States when you say rhetoric what. do you mean oh they're Asylum Seekers we. need to do this we need to you know uh. you know the false choices of either for. border security or you're anti-immigrant. or you're you're you're you're for. immigration that means you're an open. border person no so the bad guys are. listening to all this right so so they. hear this oh Asylum Seeker okay this is. going to be our marketing point I'm. going to charge you whatever I charge. you I'll give you information I'll tell. you how things to answer and say and. then you clog the system up and since.

there's no room at the end in other. words there's no place to detain them. once we've caught them they get released. and that's what they want because. they're going to they're they're in the. United States they are going to find. work generally it's going to be below. board that other that third bullet is. the one that should concern every one of. us if we're really going to make this a. humanitarian issue which it really is is. the human traffic. because yeah how real is that it's so. real so many people do not realize they.

are in this trafficking Vortex until. it's too. late there are stories out there and we. don't need to even go that way today uh. but I can just tell you that it is real. it's what I'm pretty much dedicating my. life to now um looking for Solutions and. we can talk about some of that down the. road here but let me just say this um so. many people people well let's just just. cut to the chase here so the these.

people are are are looking are being. sold to bill of goods that they're going. to be able to come over here and live. The American Dream all right it's so. controlled by cartels and trafficking. organizations that you have you know um. it it's they were charging anywhere from. $5,000 to $15,000 a person to come. across people don't have that kind of. money so they're going to have to pay. that off indentured servitude whether. it's going to be put them in forc labor. or prostitution things like that. uh narcotics smuggling all that so. people are paying that they're they'll.

say you'll do it in trade yes wow or. they don't know that like hey yeah give. me give me your 20,000 for the four of. us to come across well I don't have. 20,000 okay well give me give me what. you got and I know where you live and. I'll get you I'll put you to work when. you get there and you can pay off your. debt sounds like a great deal until they. realize what they have to do if what was. real this is real you'd have families. show up at the Border in Mexico they're. still in Mexico through the cartel.

organization the smuggling organ. Trafficking Organization say okay this. husband and this husband are going to. swap wives this kid's going to go with. this single adult and that's going to be. a family you two are now a family you. two are now a family you're going to. cross in California you're going to. cross in Arizona and then when you get. released you play The Script when you. get released y'all can be reunited now. and that made it because if they were. families they faced a different they. would be released we weren't detaining. family units so they combined people and.

by the way they would just be released. yeah they process there's no place to. hold family units so so so if things. were full and you were a family and you. came across and you guys caught them. we'd process them and we release them. and just release them into America into. America to the nonprofits and the. nonprofits would facilitate so here's. what happen so now so if that was my. wife with some other guy being pushed. across someplace else 100 miles away I'm. going to do do whatever it takes to. ensure her safety which means I'm going. to play that script I'm going to pay.

that debt and pray that I get to reunite. with her in the next few days right. that's that's the the mental trauma and. by the way my kids are involved in this. so I'm hoping I at least got my kid with. me or she's got a kid but they'll. separate those families on the south. side of the border to control and. manipulate so I won't say a word because. number one you know where I'm from you. you know where I'm going you've got my. family so I'm just going to keep my.

mouth shut and I'm just going to play. the game and I'm going to just try to. get through this without being. discovered by border patrol that this. isn't really my family um's afraid. they're going to be ratted out is that. what you're saying like what why would. they no the cartels really aren't. worried about being ratted out well I'm. just I'm curious but they they they've. tell the the migrants if you rat me out. if you. squeal I'm they're not going to get paid. so we're going to take it out on you so. it's it is completely mental and.

emotional human exploitation so I guess. I'm still confused and I don't know why. it could have just been I didn't sleep. much but um so they'll mix and match the. families yes and send them over MH. control you're going to pay oh I you're. going to pay me the money that I that. you owe me or if you want to be reunited. with your family and you can't pay I'm. putting her to work over here oh wow. that's the the. Mind mind control game that's happening.

so so much of this was again and we were. caught up in this as agents too right so. you'd have oh they're separating. families or the families are being. separated and released different we. didn't know we had you you catch a. thousand people in in in eight hours you. don't have all the time and the. resources to to dedicate to ask every. question that you should be asking. because you kind of pick up on things. right when why this the the the the the. the wife is not talking and the guy is.

given all the instructions I mean when. you have time you can pick up all that. stuff but when you have got so many. people coming and you're overwhelmed we. miss those things and and that's what I. used to get asked what would keep us. keep me up at night Chief and I'd be. like well my agents wellbeing but then. the people that we we missed because we. know that was happening and and you. can't do anything you can't say hey this. seems suspect if it does oh yeah. absolutely and we would we would up. these fraud families when we had the. resources and the time to do it when we. weren't overwhelmed with look Theo the.

numbers let me let me tell let's put. this kind of in perspective why this. becomes a challenge in I think it was. 2019 we had a just over 900,000 arrests. in the Southwest border in 2020 that. number dropped to 400 just over 400,000. because we put we had wall being built. we had technology being deployed we had. strong policies in place that were. closing loopholes I mean we reduced the. number of illegal entries over half well.

we had a change of administrations and. all that got basically put aside we went. from just over 400,000 arrests in. 2020 to 1.66 million in. 2021 arrests arrests. 2.2 million in. 2022 in 23 I think the number was around. 2.4 so and we didn't increase border. patrol agents no way so when you look at. the number of people the number of.

people it just becomes a math problem I. was when I was Chief in. Yuma the in 2020 the year that that I. got there so Federal fiscal year ended. in uh September 30th we had just over. 8,800 arrests that year I was like this. is going to be great that's those are. fun arrest for borb twins right yeah you. I was just you know I just uh and not to. interrupt you I guess I am but um I just. saw this the other day uh and this was. in the New York Times M an immigration.

shift um and it had a graph in here can. you go. down annual southwestern border. apprehensions and it showed yeah in 2020. you were at less than half a million. that's the 400,000 num talking about and. then um in. 2022 up to 2.2 1 million that's almost. five times that's almost five and a half.

times and that's only border patrol. arrest because what they're doing now is. they're playing numbers the those that. are illegally arriving at the ports are. not included in that so there's there's. still another 500,000 that were released. by the ports but so let's let's put that. in. perspective there's only 18,000 Border. pance in the entire United States. Southern border is about 16,000 then the. rest are the Northern and the coastal so. you do that math and you look at shift. work you look at days off I mean it's.

you're really outnumbered 2011 every day. in certain areas so think about this in. 2020 we had just over 8,800 arrests in. Yuma with a little over 900 border ofu. to include myself right as 800 arrests. yeah and it went up to. 114,000 in. 2021 so we went from 8,800 to 114,000. arrests and in 2022 it went up to. 310,000 arrests and I still had the.

950 more or less border pans so we. didn't I mean I was literally out there. as Chief you know I wasn't processing. but I would be out there with the men. and women and I I'd go out to the border. and literally see 500 people at a time. walking through a hole in the wall you. know and and what can you do can. sometimes you just have are sometimes as. a border patrol agent are you so. outmanned and yes and overwhelmed that. all you can do is watch them go by yeah. well so a lot of these people were given. up yeah so a lot of these people here.

here's the thing the the cartel is. controlling where they're coming through. right so they knew they knew they were. delivering 200 to 500 people at a time. are they strategic about it yes. absolutely yes yeah absolutely putting. them right there these people weren't. running from us they were giving. themselves up because they were wanting. to come into the United States here's. the kicker and that's fine they weren't. running there was always going to be. something going on in that group there. was usually a sick person or there's. maybe a woman in labor or you know the.

agents had to respond but while we're. divver diverting our resources to handle. that group of 100 200 to 500 what do you. think's happening 10 miles the other way. the people we really should be going. after are jumping over the fence and. taking off and running into the. neighborhoods and getting smuggled out I. mean that's the kind of things that are. happening right now and here's the the. other thing like let's send a 100 right. here and then in the meantime let's send. a th000 over there when there's some. response yes so they're going to we're. going to put all our resources into that. one the the the cartel was controlling.

our border operations that way in other. words controlling oh they were. manipulating the situation yep I'm going. to send a couple hundred people here. that's going to get a response by border. patrol meanwhile the 10 criminals that. are you know either prior deports. potential terrorists drug Runners we're. going to send them a mile the other. direction because all the resources went. there and that's how you know this is. happen look the Goda ways those the Goda. ways that that you know people talk so. much about there been half a million. Goda ways every year the last few years.

and we have no idea who they are and. they're just in the country they're in. the country see that's the part like I. am all for um legal immigration y I'm. all for like I don't think it's fair. that I get to be born in a place that is. like or that somebody has to be born in. a place where they have to suffer or. struggle that they like I feel like. people should be able to go but I do. feel like we can have an organized plan. because if we don't if you don't have an.

inventory if you don't know what's on. your shelves you can't like accurately. offer Aid you can't accurately um have. teachers in a community you can't um you. can't guarantee anybody's safety it's. like to not have a fair inventory is you. can't do anything if I don't know if. there's 20 cats in my house and I walk. in and I have food for one cat goes back. to your plan right and that's that's all.

we're saying is come through the front. door so we can have the inventory so we. can and and that goes back to when I was. talking about going to the community you. brought up teaching my wife's a lifelong. educator right so this this hits. home let's think about some small town. in the middle of America right well. let's let's talk Covington Louisiana. yeah all right what if all of a. sudden 100 Brazilian families who speak. Portuguese showed up in Covington. because in is the Covington school.

district is St Tam Parish going to be. able to have Portuguese speakers there. because we have an obligation to educate. those children maybe there's one or two. that could do it maybe Linda green if. she was the teacher she was good but. think about Le yeah there was definitely. some great ones people from all over the. world speaking all these different. languages but that those are the type of. things that we have to think about right. you taxed the system now now you have a. and now the the students in the teachers. in the town probably feel bad that they. can't help so their morale is low they.

don't know what to do now they're like. you know teachers are up at night like. trying to learn uh Portu Portuguese. online just and it's a nightmare and the. and the Portuguese people are sitting. there like we they probably feel bad. they don't know what to do it becomes a. deprecating cycle that doesn't get. better if we just don't we just want. people to come through the front door. yeah so we know who they are they're. invited guests right and we should be. and that goes back to the wide Gates we. want to invite guests. I I think charity starts at home we need. to clean up our own backyard we've got. homeless children veterans and all that.

stuff toe but we can certainly invite. guests in if we can control it and know. who they are what they're you know what. the strengths and weaknesses are where. they're going so we can apply resources. that way because not only is it the. Educators but the EMS and the First. Responders something happens and they. don't speak these languages it becomes a. challenge for everybody so again there. there is a it can be fixed it's. complicated because it's people right if. it was if it was easy we'd have fixed it.

years ago it's it becomes vitriolic and. political and it's complex because it's. people so that's why it's it's a. Perpetual cycle that keeps getting the. can keeps getting kicked but we've got. to figure out some way to stop the leak. on the security side so we don't have. mass people coming in. illegally and then figure out the human. side of it to bring people into the. front door and invite those guests so we. can so they can be proactive they don't.

want to I don't think they just not all. I I want to Broad brush anybody but I. think the majority of them are trying. want to do good I mean there's still. there's going to be a a good minority. chunk of these people that are probably. just not doing good we've seen that in. New York City right recently the the the. migrants that beat up the cops I mean. those I mean that we got dangerous. Goldilocks is up there just running. around in the house eating the honey. toar if they you and they it's not even.

there's well one thing it does is um. yeah that's yeah this was the case right. yep brawl between migrants and police in. New York's Times Square touches off. backlash a video showing a group of. migrants brawling with police in Times. Square has touched off a political fur. and renewed debate over a long-standing. New York City policy that limits. cooperation between local police and. federal immigration authorities so those. are Sanctuary city laws where um you do. not that certain cities will not.

cooperate with Immigration and Customs. Enforcement other words they if if they. if this person tells them they're a non-. US citizen uh those cities uh have. passed policy that they're under no. obligation to report their immigration. status to uh Federal officials but can. they detain them or no they won't not. because of not for immigration status. that's the federal responsibility but. there used to be we have what we call a. det program and what would typically. happen and what still happens in nons. sanctuary cities if they encounter.

somebody and they ask them what's your. citizenship and they say well I'm from. you know um wherever name a country. Mexico or Central America or Venezuela. um do you have any documents to allow. you to be here no that would be a call. to Federal immigration authorities say. hey I've got I've got John Doe over here. who's illegal alien from Venezuela and. they would put a detainer on them so I. would come pick him up after the State. Crime yeah if they if they weren't. charged him but he was here illegally.

it's the federal immigration those are. these Sanctuary city laws that have been. really pushed and shoved down you know. uh the past yeah the past eight years. and stuff and what are the benefits of. the sanctuary city laws here's what it. comes down to there is this idea what. the benefits idea the idea sorry the. idea behind it is well they'll qu if if. the migrants are uh have are Witnesses. of crimes or have been a victim of crime. they won't report it to the police or.

cooperate if they feel that they could. be deported I see so what they've said. is you you're not going to be turned. over to immigration if you report a. crime and because so they're not. cooperating with Federal immigration I I. think that can probably be debunked. because there are there are visas we can. give people if you are a victim if you. are going to be a witness on behalf of. the state it took what. was they just politicized the whole.

thing yeah you know um well it's also. seem like it's being used as a loophole. way it's like another way of like where. somebody's like um it's set up for a. good reason but it's taken advantage of. so many of our laws and policies are. that way right well it's just un it's. like at a certain point if you get so. taken advantage of you have to start to. adjust um the advant ages you offer yeah. I just it it it goes for humans because.

at a certain point you're just um you've. stressed yourself to you've stressed. your population and your people where. they don't feel safe anymore um yeah. it's and to to have people where they. used to they buy a piece of land or they. buy a home right and they're raising a. family and they can't even go to bed at. night without thinking if if there's. thousands of people passing through. their area yeah and some of them are. desperate um and there's no rep like.

there's no they're not going to face any. you don't even know if you can face any. criminal charge you don't even know who. they are right yeah it's like um it's. just very scary it's not fair that uh. people should have to um live in fear I. think we have way too much ability you. know. um it just breaks my I mean it's just. you know we send all this forign a it's. just it's time to take care of this. country for a while and it feels like. it's just been sold out to the highest. bidder that um that the American dream.

was just auctioned off years ago and it. almost feels like we're pretending. sometimes the rest of us that still. believe in it I I call it the uh and I. don't mean to sound Dow and hopeless I'm. not hopeless there there's there is a. true erosion of empathy that's happening. because of all the situations around the. world and right here in our border when. you are when you a multi-generational. Rancher who is you know putting food on. the table but now you have to uh be. armed to take your kids to the bus stop. because groups are coming in that are.

that are evading arrest in certain parts. and are are stealing your cars are. breaking into your homes uh where a. generation ago they were hey can we get. some food and I'll clean up your stall. I'm just trying to go look for some work. it's changed so much so Americans. shouldn't have to live in fear at the. same time the migrants shouldn't be. living in fear because they're being. exploited just to try to get an. opportunity and that's that's where you. know it gets it kind of boils my blood. when I hear all the humanitarian crisis. at the border but they're not they're.

not fixing it they're just talking about. it and kicking it for the next election. cycle it seems like they always do that. and that's where it gets frustrating. it's like we need we need to take care. of the people and by the way the. humanitarian issue is not just the. migrants it's our agents it's our border. communities it's the people that are. suffering in these Sanctuary cities I. want I don't want to leave that topic. just yet because you know um you hear. the mayors of New York and Chicago and. Denver they're now they're crying about. all this but they were with their. bullhorn a few years ago saying we.

welcome everybody and now all of a. sudden realize hey this is kind of a. mess I will say this to defend mayor. Adams to some extent from New York he. sent his team down to the Border um we. met with him back in 2022 and showed him. this is what's happening this is what's. going on a lot of there was a lot of. Jaws dropping like oh my gosh didn't. realize this so they kind of knew but. how can you not how can you not know. what's going on that's how do you have. no like I don't even know what's going. on and I know what's going on daylight.

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ground police have arrested seven people. in connection with the attack though. prosecutors dropped charges against one. person they say may not have been. involved I think I if you don't. prosecute or eliminate or. get well it's tough because these people. are obviously in a state of desperation. they've been kind of released into a. place where there's no clear path for. them either probably so they don't know. what to. do and then you've put but the the fact.

that they're putting the officers at. risk any of that you got to go did you. see the video of them when they were. released that day after the assault. they're walking in flipping everybody. off they don't care so think about that. they think they're. uh so that right there broad brushes all. these migrants not all of them are that. way I mean again fortunately the second. you kick a cop though dude I. think it's a bad look to the people of. this country who are still trying to. obey the laws yes that um and uphold.

them yep that uh that you don't make a. point you're gone well that's the lack. of consequences right these people now I. don't know all their their story but I. know they were they were processed and. released and went to New York um these. people um have been yeah get the I. don't give a who these people are. get them the out to be honest with. you is the this is what we're talking. about right this there yeah this is him. this is the guy right there dude let. that loose around son.

Strickland will beat the out of. that dude a heartbeat this this is what. pisses off the border patrol agents. because we've had to process and release. these type of people and this is what. they end up doing right this is this is. not I will beat the hor shot out of that. right there to be honest. with you I just don't like it man that. is sick right there just a sick way. to behave man and I don't mean that. against anybody like I have countless. Mexican friends and all kind of I. don't need to justify myself but it just. there's a total lack of respect and when.

we don't show any respect for ourselves. it is it after a while um people just. there's a lack of respect that's going. to keep coming man it's like you're. attracting it in a way you know the. profession the law enforcement. profession has taken a hit over the last. few years right wrong or otherwise from. different incidents that taken place but. right there when you see that and you. look at and go this is why some of the. cops end up acting the way they do 100. or they just don't end up responding. because it's like why do I want to go. get in this mess right here I mean it.

literally took cops being assaulted. these people being released flipping off. the the cameras for it to gain enough. attention to where people said okay this. is enough yeah you know it shouldn't get. to that well it's cuz the media finally. these people are in New York causing. some trouble that's what I'd say a lot. of if you're going to go to a go into a. the the richest neighborhood those. that's the guy you got to go you're down. here battling in the freaking trenches. that's the dude then you want to then.

then some things would be adjusted man. that's the old not my backyard mindset. like hey it's fine until you bring it in. my backyard right and now I think it's. well I think now it's ending up in in. New York City it's ending up in. backyards where people are noticing it. but also the media is extremely it's all. one group and they uh they don't want to. show the truth they want to live in this. F world that um that doesn't uh create. reality I don't think a lot of times or. reflect reality yeah so this this the.

the the busting of the migrants right so. I hate the fact that we had to get to. that yeah that's a big thing so you see. this a lot right uh so people um but I. don't blame them I mean I don't blame. these Governors right I again I hate the. fact that we're they we had to do that. that's because of failed policies coming. out of Washington and these states have. said enough's enough right so wait let's. back up real quick okay let's get to. that um I want to we spoke to a border. patrol agent a few years ago uh Roy V.

Chief I know Roy yes yeah amazing guy. and really I mean just awesome guy and. um he was saying that one of the issues. was then that their legislative part was. the issue because they were doing the. paperwork on guys but they weren't none. no one was really being prosecuted. people were being re-released and so. then it was just you were constantly. arresting some of the same people like. what is the problem that you're saying. now that like what are the problems that.

are holding up the border patrol from. doing their job effectively so it's a. combination of things right so number. one and I think this is this a great. great question and it's really important. and and and let's talk about the. requirements that agents need to do. their job right okay so every. Administration and I just remember I. mentioned earlier I started under. Clinton every administration had Lean. Forward on border security Clinton. brought people on board hired more.

people um we had the tragic of 911 and. that addressed uh uh illegal immigration. and border security so President Bush. started building infrastructure and. access roads Obama built a lot of wall. 15 foot wall Trump comes in and says hey. we we candidate Trump was build the wall. right president Trump say hey we're. gonna build the wall but candidate Trump. CA candidate when he was candidate oh. when he was running for president he was. build the wall that was a campaign.

slogan when he became president he's. like we're going to do this building the. wall was so much more than the actual. wall it was years multiple. administrations of requirements that. agents have said we need that wall that. President Trump built Was Not only was. it a 30-foot steel wall where it made. sense it was cameras right it was lights. it was sensors it was access roads there. are so many places on the border that. mother nature will through a monsoon.

storm season will wash away and you. can't even drive to the border so we. needed all weather roads that was the. wall system right there was so much more. there were places where where agents. could stop there were places where they. could sleep get rest there was it was so. much to that right right the wall was. the talking point the system was what. was important to us wow we didn't need a. wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the. Pacific Ocean Mother where we needed it.

was in the urban so the border patrol. has decided through our requirements and. our experience that there are three. operating environments Urban where the. vanishing point is seconds to minutes. like literally if they cross they can. disappear El Paso is a great example. they can 100 yards they're in a. neighborhood they're in a high school. there in downtown you get into rural. areas it's it's hours to it's minutes to. hours that disappear and then you get in. the remote areas it's literally uh days. to weeks they can disappear because the. it's you know 100 mile Trek through the.

desert so where it made. sense we built the wall based on agents. require not just all the chief's. requirement it was what do you need. agents to do your job sir we need more. wall here or double wall here we need. cameras so we built that package and. that that package was being deployed and. was being effective as I mentioned the. numbers you combine that with. consequences through policy detaining. people Prosecuting people that took. those numbers from 900,000 to 400,000.

but by a stroke of several pens under. this Administration the wall was stopped. the migrant protection protocol was. turned off this Administration uh halted. all deportations for no less than 100. days which means nobody was being. removed is that true what you're saying. yes okay that's all look it all up it's. all executive orders Biden's election. the foreign born population has grown. spectacularly in. millions um yeah I see yeah right here.

there are there are places on the border. right now Theo where you can drive and. see 30 foot wall and then a quarter mile. Gap with stacks of Steel right there. that was just left there some of it's. being sold off for Salvage now wow our. agents had to drive by spools of fiber. optic cable with a trench but we. couldn't deploy it because when they. signed up when they ended that wall it. was the system the whole package there's. right there that's that Hur morale down. there do you feel like so that's that. was the big kicker we actually had a u. cuz these are human these are our agents.

it's like why don't you care about the. people who are doing a a real job just. it's so sick in this country how they. don't care about people who are really. doing a real job man so without. border security every town becomes a. Border Town every state becomes a border. state because we can't it doesn't stop. at the board they're not all hanging out. in Yuma they're not all hanging out in. Tucson they're coming to Nashville. they're coming around and and people are. seeing that you talked about the morale. we went from an.

Administration the Trump Administration. who championed Bor trens who had them at. the state of a union had them at his. inauguration parade now Obama had done a. lot you said too Obama had so let's. let's talk about Obama on that one. because if you remember going into his. second term he wanted comprehensive. immigration reform the DACA which is the. deferred action against childhood. arrivals which I don't think anybody. disagrees with if you're an adult and. you bring your one-year-old kid over and. that kid has stayed here all his life or.

her life and they graduated high school. you're going to deport them because. they're not you know that's what daaka. was for right right that makes sense. that makes sense no one's going to boot. that kid all this kid knows is American. life right right% as long as he's not a. a criminal and doing bad things and and. trying to contribute let them stay but. but there was the issue Al but there was. also there was another thing that he did. where it was like um he did Dappa which. was uh on the like par parents like you. could bring your now you can bring your. parents in so what happened. was he wanted comprehensive imigration.

reform the Republicans said well we. border security first so he said okay. I'll give you border security if you. give me uh immigration reform so they. went to he went to bat and started. removing people I mean he had a lot of. deportations under B he built a lot of. wall and then in typical political. fashion they argued over the definition. of border control operational control of. the border and so the left and the right. started the political football back and. forth what does control mean what's an. effective uh level of control Obama said.

okay enough's enough I'm just going to. start doing you know uh I'm gonna start. writing this as executive Fiat and do. executive orders and I'm going to start. allowing people to stay here I'm gonna. do that and that's what he did and. that's when it kind of went look the. Republicans at that point missed an. opportunity and and why because they. could have they could have had they. could have had more border security and. championed some kind of immigration. reform because we hadn't had any changes. in immigration law for you know 20 years. before that so there was an opportunity.

and to Obama's credit at least on the. front end now ion I don't know all I'm. not going to get into all the behind the. scenes stuff but at least on the front. end he gave it the old College try you. got I'll give you security but you got. to give me something to return and when. we've when we argued on the definitions. semantics of it yep he said fine I'm. going to do my own thing and and we're. going to start letting if you were you. know he started doing his own executive. action and and that that was a poll. Factor so we started seeing this huge. increase of people in the in 2012 13 and.

14 under the second term of Obama why. because you mean they're they're seeing. these reactions in the news and stuff. like that and they're knowing okay now's. a Time Now's the Time to come he's not. going to remove you you're going to be. he's going to reunite families he's. going to do all this stuff so people. just started that's when it all started. changing was in about 2012 remember. earlier I was telling you it single. adults mainly Mexican Nationals a few. Central Americans in 12 13 and 14 we. started seeing this huge increase and. I'll tell you a very funny story it's.

not funny but it's it's a true story I'm. sitting here in Washington DC it is. believe it is Mother's Day weekend the. Friday before Mother's Day. 2014 we had so many people in macallen. Texas border patrol station that it was. making the headlines and we were on the. phone it was a lot of Children and. Families and they were just there was. literally hundreds of them in a sally. port where that you bring them into the. station and border patrol stations are. short-term holding for single adults.

they're not designed for detention. long-term detention yeah so you had. bodies stacked everywhere sleeping in. you these these uh um you know uh myar. blankets and stuff it was an ugly scene. but it was it was the reality it was out. of control in in in South Texas we were. on the phone with people from Department. of H security I'm in boorder Patrol. headquarters in Washington and we're. telling them hey this is this is getting. out of control and they said well let's. think about what we want to do let's. have a good weekend and we'll we'll. reconvene on Monday and one of the guys.

that work for me he's just like like. Chief let me say that I said tell him he. says if you wait till Monday you'll have. a fullblown full-blown crisis on your. hands now that was. Friday Sunday then secretary J Johnson. rerouted his plane and went down to. macallen Texas with his wife his. mother's day saw what was going on on. Monday he made a secretarial. Proclamation this is a GNA all hands on. deck and then by the end of the week the. president got involved and said we're.

going to do everything we can I mean. that's how quickly and we were catching. less than 3,000 a. day that's that was 2013 and 14 3,000. day was a full-blown crisis wow and now. we're at five times at yeah well so for. most of last year we hovered over 10,000. arrests a day right now we're sitting. around 6,700 arrest of day so now so now. we're at twice that twice that it was a. full-blown crisis under Jay Johnson and.

Vice President Biden and fast forward. we've doubled that yet we won't. acknowledge the crisis from the White. House now wait a second what happened. and then in between you had president. Trump who tried to fix it and was making. huge. progress only be only to be kind of you. know the the yeah I mean the media hated. him yeah even though now some of the the. Democratic policies are turning into the. Republican policies they're like coming. over because at a certain.

point I there's no argument against. organization there's no argument against. like investing in our infrastructure and. wanting to have this machine run well. it's like you know you as asked about. morale and that's kind of where we were. going so let's think about that one of. the biggest morale Killers for us us mhm. was in September of. 2021 in Del Rio Texas the horse Patrol. incident that people would talk about.

and you could probably bring that up. yeah we had uh uh over 16,000 people. showed up in Del Rio Texas in a matter. of like three or four days now now I'm. over in Yuma dealing with a large number. of people but just not that many in. three days all the resources were. shifted down there and our horse Patrol. which is our traditional we've started. that we were going to be years old in. May every agent had a horse back then. and I've ridden horses horses are great. tools on the border they were they were.

keeping the chaos organized people were. going back and forth to Mexico getting. they were setting up vendors were. setting up on Mexico selling them tacos. and food trucks yeah food trucks right. as we were trying to organize all this. chaos so this one particular subject. grabbed food food from this family and. was running across the river the horse. Patrol and like you can see in that. picture comes down there to try to you.

know round him up right the image that. was taken the actual still photo was you. know was iconic the the horse in the. river the cowboy hat the split Reigns. The migrant running it was a beautiful. image it was captured by the secretary. the vice president and the president. as they whipped those migrants and the. president of the United States said I. promise you those they will pay for.

strapping those people and he made that. motion number one the person that took. the picture said there's no whips nobody. was being whipped this was there's the. image right that's a split reain that's. the guy controlling the horse trying to. grab this guy who just stolen stuff from. people and he's running away from the. agents right that's an agent of cost in. somebody who's stealing yeah so and. maybe for desperate reasons but stealing. well it was yeah say you're stealing. lunch from a family so that's that's if. you've ever ridden horses and you split.

range that's how you control the horse. right so we knew all that and and this. was something to hear the president say. they will pay wow I mean I I was a. thousand the agents yeah the agents are. going to they're going to be in trouble. for this the cameraman said there nobody. got whipped this was they didn't it was. a good distraction from the chaos that. was happening right you know let's shift. it to the bad border agents as opposed. to my bad policies that allowed 16,000. people to come in in 3 days you want to.

talk about morale killer when the the. commander-in-chief the president of the. United States in a country where you're. innocent until proven guilty says they. will pay when the facts were they didn't. whip anybody they were doing their job. and throw his own border patrol under. the bus under the bus and so I mean I. was a thousand miles away going oh my. gosh my agents were just like fated and. and not only the agents but let's think. about the agents parents and their loved. ones who are going they're down there. trying to do the best they can the.

president just called them out now if. they had done something wrong and they. had beat somebody like that on camera. yeah there's a consequence for those. agents but that was that wasn't that. wasn't the case that's somebody doing. their job it's like at some point you. have to have people do their jobs so the. morale just tanked from that it was. already tough with the flow and we. expect under every Administration some. kind of change and we figured it would. be a few months we didn't realize it. would be that long then it just. compounded and got worse and worse and. actually you know um the following year.

I think we had uh 14 border P agents. commit suicide and uh we had one of them. in in Yuma and I'm not going to say that. um that uh it was because of the Border. crisis but I could say that not being. happy at work feeling demoralized and. not having a purpose no purpose is a. contributing factor I'm sure there's. Financial em physical issues that they. were dealing with but when you can come. to work where it used to be hey I can go. out there and and make a difference and. now I'm being relegated to.

transportation and babysitting yeah. there's just no happy place for them. right and yeah you take away somebody's. purpose man we we had a um a great uh. thinker in here John Veri and he he he. talks all about purpose um right here it. says between 2007 and uh November 2022. CBP is that California border patrol no. that's Customs and Border of protection. that's our parent agency. DHS Customs and Border Protection US. border patrol okay Customs and Border. Protection has lost 149 people to.

Suicide among the highest rates compared. to other law enforcement agencies I I. just don't understand. why there's no support I don't. understand why you have to beg for. support I don't understand why you give. people a job and give them all this. training yeah but then don't even give. them the fair environment to do their. job in right and then look down upon. them when they're doing their job just.

for what like I just it's just. unfortunate and you want your law. enforcement just like you want your. doctors and your teachers to have their. head on straight and head in the game. and not distract at least minimize all. the distractions while they're doing. that because you know number one if it's. a doctor it could save your life in. surgery if it's law enforcement it could. protect you and save your life an event. of a tragedy and if it's a teacher you. want them to educate you so you can make. your own decisions as you as you learn.

and grow um we have to support all our. military and law enforcement First. Responders in that mental health. resiliency world because it's so. important because we need them and and. we and we need to recruit the good. people too so we need to offer that like. hey not only are we going to you know. expect you to do your job and Theo I'll. tell you too I I'm from Old School you. going to roll your sleeves up and get. the job done but it's okay now to talk. about like okay what I'm dealing with. how I feel with that I'm not saying we.

need to be soft on all this stuff. because we still have a very difficult. job and you've got to get dirty but it's. okay to talk about what what's bothering. you afterward or hey I wasn't 100% today. because of this all right how can I help. you we that is okay you know um oh yeah. yeah we all grew up in get some dirt on. it and go back in there right and that's. okay but we can talk about it now and I. think that's the difference in where we. evolve and the uh professionally and we. grow as a leader that's where I saw I. couldn't make policy changes under. President Biden but I could make.

operational changes say I can devote. some funds to mental health and. resiliency with my Workforce and bring. people in to Champion our agents and and. tell them the same thing as Chief I. would say something like okay yeah Chief. that's just box checking you're the boss. right but when I bring in an NFL player. to come in there and say the same thing. like you guys are heroes thank you for. doing what you're doing. it changes their they come to they're. happy like hey somebody appreciates that. and so just little things like that you. know it's cliche but thank a cop that's.

what you want to do because you want. them on your side and nobody by the way. nobody hates a bad cop more than a good. cop and so we're not going to tolerate. bad stuff amongst our ranks but there. are so many good people out there. whether it's aable ch agent or a. domestic law enforcement or an FBI agent. there's so many good ones doing good. work we've got to Champion them because. what what are the Alternatives if we. don't complete chaos yeah and I want to. say that too to people out there who are. in that in a position where you're a.

teacher where you're a um you're an. officer um you're a sergeant you're a. community worker that isn't uh you're. not rewarded as well financially as you. should be um by your environment uh by. your city your state your country I just. want to say just hold on just just thank. you and just just you know just just. know that citizens they feel that with. you you know and um I don't know maybe.

I'm just kind of getting preach here. weird I don't know it just makes me sad. man it just doesn't because it doesn't. add up yeah and I think people are tired. of uh even nice people are getting like. yeah it's that erosion empathy. right we talked about so look we. understand that we can't always pay. people in their their their their bank. accounts more money but we can pay them. in that emotional bank account by. thanking them right oh 100% that's. important we had some we had a uh a. garbage man on dude Legend bro yeah um.

and he said the best thing he can do go. out there once in a while thank you. garbage man he said they never even. seeing anybody nobody's even awake. they're out there doing the Long Haul. buy him a sixer Wayne Owen yeah there he. is right there. man you're right so uh Chris let let me. ask you I want to just before we move. forward I know like I want to think. about some of the political stuff you. know cuz you hear a lot of things right. like being in an election year right now. it's like you start to see the political.

kickball like you were saying being. kicked around of the border right it's. the the border the Border immigr you. know you start to see a lot of that. happening and one of the things that you. hear recently is that that uh Democratic. party wants to allow people into the. country to to be able to get them to be. able to vote or even even by by whatever. means to be able to get them to become. Democratic voters but also I was.

thinking is there a value in like the. Republican. side in also letting it be an issue. because then they can say hey this is an. issue so you have to vote this way so so. those are two things that I hear kind of. and that I think about um what is that. like like. would you is that something that border. agents feel at all or yeah yeah we we we. we unfortunately we did not want to be. in the Limelight and you know not be in.

the political spere but we we are on uh. because we're on the news all the time. so let let's let's dissect this a little. bit um for the Democratic side it is all. about victim of the poor migrants we. need to help them out they're being. exploited we need to bring him over and. give him a better life right that that's. a Feelgood story right now there's some. truth to that there are victims and. there are people that want to but that. becomes a feel-good story the. Republicans will say Hey look it's a. security issue they'll talk about. security we need to save our country and.

secure our borders to prevent terrorism. and criminal aliens and drugs and all. that stuff because that's a real problem. too so they're both they're both real. they just present them as false choices. like you can't have one without without. without the other and if you want one. then you're against the other person and. that's that's the divisiveness this this. this country has become is you can be. pro- security but still have lawful. immigration the the other piece too is. there's a if you if you utter this.

people will say it's kind of a. conspiracy but you have to start kind of. thinking about where are they going with. why would you allow upwards of 7 million. people to come in here and one Theory. and that people will float around is. well not necessarily to have them vote. because they only citizens are supposed. to vote but you know what. census determines. representation and ultimately Electoral. College numbers and things like that so.

if you can flood a Texas and you take it. from red to purple you get more. Representatives that may vote swing to a. district that could be a more Democrat I. see so if you feel like your party could. influence to get more electoral votes or. Representatives or Representatives so if. you feel like your party could get more. Representatives because there's a larger. population in that area and you feel. like you got the the the the ability to. get more players in the game then you're.

going to be Pro that that that is a that. is like without the truth without. somebody saying well here's why we're. letting 7 million people in you kind of. start floating these ideas and I'm not. saying that that's the case but if you. if you look at it if you have a state. that is split 50/50 when it comes down. to Republicans and and Democratic. elected representatives but you can put. in five more million people into that. state and the next time they redistrict.

or do a census and and okay well you get. to increase the number of Representative. and it's leaning One Direction of the. other you're going to lock in and look. how close the house is right now yeah. one extra uh or two extra Democratic uh. uh officials now on that on the house. swings everything to the party of power. so there that I mean again without. somebody telling you hey why are you. letting all these people in why are you. bogging the system down someone floats.

that idea he's like well now I mean if. that's the truth it's Evil Genius great. at least we know now we can work you. know the devil you know versus the devil. you don't know right right and that's. because because I for the life of me I. can't make heads or tals of why this. would happen right so as an agent you're. like these people should be given a a. hearing and removed cuz they're not. going to meet the Merit instead we let. them go and we house them but then it's. about control because then it's about a. sickening few people with such control.

like where is the value in that as a. human being it's like the people that. are controlling have no do they. have any feeling I'm just like. what is even going on because why would. you let all of these people suffer not. only the people who are being um who are. s don't don't have a clear path to uh to. Asylum or to residency or to comfort or. to peace they they're not in peace. either if they're having a sleep hiding.

behind something to not get arrested all. the time you know like and also the. families and people who are just um. citizens of the country it just first of. all my wife tells me this a lot clear as. kind we need to clear send a clear. message that you know and and so if. somebody's sitting here for seven years. before they get their first hearing that. that's not clear yeah they don't know. what the results are going to be they. don't know if they're going to get to. stay they don't know if they're going to. get a work permit that is not very kind.

right no it's not kind and then I also. to your point about this sick demented. whoever is pulling the strings here they. want servants over citizens because you. know what citizens will stand up. eventually we will speak our mind but if. I can bring you in and give you handouts. and control you you are going to be my. servant and you will will do what I tell. you to do I I mean again I don't want to. be a tin foil hat wear in person but. without the facts without somebody. telling me what the plan is you start.

inserting these things and some of it. kind of starts making sense because yeah. you can lean things you can control. things if you have a bunch of servants. well it's we conspiracy theories really. that's how it starts I was talking about. this with a friend yesterday it was like. Well when the news got bad and got not. news and it was just like uh the news. was just trying to say what it wanted to. say right and not just give the facts. that's when conspiracy theor started. because people have to make sense of.

things right so it's your brain's your. brain's only function is to organize and. to make sense of things that's all it's. supposed to do and so a lot of. conspiracy theories it's like it's it's. it's just it's not adding up it's yeah. when things don't add up you have to the. equation needs to make sense so that's. only reason why you a conspiracy the. even gets created is to make things make. sense and when things aren't making. sense anymore then the conspiracy. theories could be what does make sense.

yeah and often times these days it is. yeah and the naysayers just throw that. back at you well they don't know what. they're talking about they're a. conspiracy well no one and one is two. it's not three and it's not adding up to. two so what's the deal here you know um. you know I it it is kind of crazy. because we've seen such an evolution of. of you know what's happened at the. border right um have talked about that. and and you know there's Solutions out. there it's just it's you know we just. got to be able to I like to say get the.

extreme left and the extreme right take. extreme recess and get some common sense. in the middle right to start coming up. with some solutions and well they're not. doing it I mean they just had the uh. mayorcas guy um who was the he was the. secretary just got impeached yeah he he. just got impeached but that was. impeached by the House of. Representatives right right which is. only it the Senate's not going to pass. pass that so he's not really going to be. impeached no it's just just like. President Trump just like President. Clinton they were impeached in the. process but they weren't convicted so. they're not removed and so yeah it's uh.

right people have given up the American. public has almost given up on all of. this charades of because you. can't even follow it Homeland Security. secretary Alejandro mayorcas has been. impeached by the House of. Representatives a cabinet secretary has. not been impeached by the US Congress. since. 1876 the office of Senate Majority. Leader Chuck Schumer who is the worst I. think said mayorca impeachment trial. will begin later this month so this is.

just going to be a whole big hoopah it's. a process man and it probably will not. happen unless they need to have a py to. make it look like they're going to do. something different yeah so I mean you. can have the trial and it's still going. to require two-thirds of the Senate to. so that would be everybody on the. Republican side and half of the. Democrats saying he's convicted right. and that's not likely to to happen if. this even happens and it's easy to say. it's likely to begin in a month but you. got all these other world events. happening um you know it it again it's. um that's the politics of it you know.

and this is a classic example of of uh. of an election cycle last go around they. ran on going to impeach the guy it took. two years for them to finally Do It um. and did did it change anything no it you. know nothing and they ran on the Russia. I just it's it's I'm okay with. letting people make their own choice. right. I'm people. are you would think people can get a. sense and trust their instincts and find. a leader that has enough of their.

commonalities things that they believe. in right um I don't think I ever fall. into like identity politics where I'm. going to vote for somebody just because. they're uh one party or this party I've. voted for people from both parties um. back to choices think about it everybody. wants choices until it comes to politics. then they they they force their their. choice on you and we want we want to be. pro-choice in all things in life right. we want to have options doesn't matter. what what those options are but we. should have options right then it comes.

to politics oh no you can't have a. choice you back to the politic. politicalization of the Border I tell. you I had so many congressional. delegations under President Trump I. couldn't I was the deputy chief in El. Paso number a Congressional Delegation. that is where a group of Congressional. members Representatives will come down. uh and they want to hear and learn it's. they it's a field trip for them right. sometimes their caucuses like Hispanic. caucus or border security caucus or you. know African-American caucus they'll.

they they'll be group of like-minded. mainly usually one party they go down. there and they they want to hear what's. happening um oftentimes it's oversight. committees will go down there under. President Trump in El Paso I kid you not. I couldn't turn around without tripping. over a Congressional Delegation wanting. to point the finger at Big Bad Trump and. what he was doing and all all the people. that was when the AOC was said they were. drinking out of the toilet all that kind. of stuff was when I was there in El Paso. completely ridiculous but you know what.

under this Administration when I was the. chief in in Yuma I had two Democrats. come down to the Border one was uh. Democrat um he was he came down but but. he was uh I had uh Mark Kelly the. senator from Arizona who worked with me. to try to fill some border gaps so he we. it took us 18 months but we finally got. something done and I had Gary Johnson. out of the homeland security committee. uh Senator Johnson from U from Michigan. the only two Democrat sitting represent. that came down to the Border a lot of.

Republicans but they did they wanted to. ignore the problem I had some phone. calls from uh Senator CA um but never. came down there to meet with me only two. but when it was President Trump I had. hundreds of so why aren't more coming. even just because it's one president or. the other that shouldn't determine why. one because one side doesn't want to. talk about the problem the other side. wants to blame the problem so under. Trump coming down to blame just like the.

Republicans come down there now to point. the finger at the Biden Administration. so it becomes so we have to we have to. right that's what I was saying it's like. the Republicans also part of them is. happy that it's open because they can. say look this is this is the problem so. it gives them also there's there's. there's a handful in every party that. really want to try to this but. unfortunately they're they're the. minority piece right the there's people. that just don't want to deal with it. right part of it too when it comes. political is it's it goes back to that.

victim Boogeyman thing I can run on the. emotions every two years as a. congressional representative Senate. every six years but as a congressman or. woman I can. say if they would have just voted for my. bill we would have solved this but if. you elect me next time we'll get it done. and think about this has been going. we've been talking about this since. 9/11 23 years we've been putting border. security immigration controls in the. Forefront and we still can't and it's.

the worst it's ever been it's the worst. it's ever been right now yes it's the. worst it's ever been and we've been. talking about it now let's let's be. clear 911 was the worst right that was a. a separate event but that triggered us. talking about securing our border for 21. years or 23 years now do they even have. TSA at the border though they're at the. they're at the airports but not when. you're walking across no that's us. that's border patrol so do if people. come in illegally do they take their.

shoes off or anything like that or no so. so well look if they if border patrol is. in County you've come in illegally we're. we're arresting you we take we do all we. take all we take we check everything oh. I see so there's either people that are. that are legal that are coming in and. they are probably doing their paperwork. and all that illegal yeah so if you come. into the airport then you're GNA be. dealing you know if you TSA deals with. right in in domestic stuff International. that's the custom side of things when. you come in through an airport or. through a port eventually they're going. to they're going to inspect you and you. know everybody's subject to an.

inspection when you come in uh through. when you come in illegally you're. arrested okay and then you go through. just like if you were arrested in. downtown they're going to take you in. they're going to pat you down they're. going to go through your stuff they're. going to inventory your property and all. that kind of stuff we do the same thing. at the border which is a challenge when. you're arresting 2.2 million people. every year and there's no place to put. you what percentage of people um get. arrested and sent back it's very few. right now the ones that get returned. back immediately are going to be Mexican. Nationals because they're continuous.

country right they we just send them. right back um there are. some oh they're just man 95% of the. people I caught in Yuma were caught and. released in new America yeah no yeah. yeah you know let's you know let's talk. about a couple things what do you just. let yeah here's here's here's here's. very important piece right you've heard. this about you've heard the term vetting. they're not properly vetted or you know. they're being released without vetting. let's let's let you and the in the. audience know so anytime somebody's.

arrested by border patrol we are taking. their biometric data we are. fingerprinting them we are photographing. them as long as they are 14 years and. older there's laws from uh tender age. minors okay the problem with that is the. record checks are only based on. information that we have so if you are a. serial killer in New Guinea and you've. never been caught and we don't there's. no system of record we're not going to.

know who you are we're going to take. your fingerprints and photograph and say. well there's no no immigration or no. criminal hist ex excuse me no criminal. history in the United States we have no. place to hold him so he's going to be. processed and released but meanwhile he. can go about his business so you can't. check with another country to see if. they don't have the data in our system. that that's that's the problem the. process the agents go through perfect. you every no one gets released or. everybody that gets arrested gets the. data taken but if there's nothing in the.

system because we don't have a. relationship with our country that was. that goes back to the Obama and Trump. travel banss the reason why there was a. travel ban on those countries they did. not have a vetted system of record for. us to make compare notes to see if these. people are good or bad so if you are. from a country if unless un you're like. in some kind of interpole record that. matches with us if you've never. committed a crime in the United States. we're not going to know who you are so. you could be an MS-13 gang member that.

has no visible tattoos that we can see. in another country in another country. and never been a rest of the United. States and not in some kind of interpole. database we could theoretically release. you wow that's why. detention is so critical so we can hold. on to them to make sure on no uncertain. terms that who this person is what's. their intentions what's their background. who are their sponsors where are they.

going to go that's why holding people. and doing all the extra checks is so. important and by the way the databases. and systems are only as good as the. databases and they'll garbage in garbage. out sometimes there's delays sometimes. there's a system upgrade and when I ran. your check today it came back clear I. released you two days later it came back. as a hit well we release that guy so. that's why we have to detain folks for. that's the process is to detain them.

until they see the judge but that's not. but never happen the pipes are clogged. there's way too many people in line when. you release someone. right you release them back into America. what do they have to do then yeah it's. great you're gonna love this so we. process them and they get a uh they have. to check in when they within 30 days of. their where they said they're going so. if I catch somebody somebody caught. somebody in Yuma today they said they're. going to Nashville we would give them. the the the information for ice here in.

Nashville okay so when they arrive in. Nashville they're supposed to call and. check in and say hey I'm John Doe I'm. supposed to report to you and there's. that there's also some ankle bracelet. monitoring they'll put on so we can. track and follow but that's it's it's. basically on the honor side system and. and we don't have the ability to vet. that location where you're going there. are places where you'll find 200 people. using the same address but here's.

another kicker for everybody because you. know we're all paying the price at the. pumps the gas the the grocery table. everywhere else I was. spending close to just over $400,000 a. day in my. softsided migrant processing facility. with medical food laundry and migrant. care uh uh Services migrant care was. really the minors so if they were. children we had it wasn't agents having. a babysit anymore we actually hired.

people to do that that was 400 plus. thousand doar a day there was six other. Southwest border sectors or six total. South that was kind of using the same. model so $2 and half million doll I. don't know my math not to quick but when. we Pro they'd be in our care for maybe. two to three days and then we'd release. them we don't release them to the. necessarily we release them to a. non-government organization who will. take them in and then they will help. facilitate to if they want to go to. Nashville do you have a plane ticket do. you have the means to get there if you.

don't we'll help you get there if you do. then we'll get you on a bus to Sky. Harbor and you can. fly those organizations are getting. reimbursed dollar for dooll from FEMA. through DHS grants through the so so now. we're paying for the shelter and. processing facility you guys are paying. for it up front and then you're paying. for the non-government organization is. getting so well an ongo organization is. a nonprofit yes it's but it's getting. reimbursed for the monies they spend by. the government so the government's paid. twice now oh and by the way the.

sanctuary cities said hey we need $5. billion do to handle these migrants that. are being dropped off so in theory all a. money laundering yeah in theory we could. be paying for the majority of those. migrants up to three times so it's a. money laundering it's basically little. Ukraine in America I mean so so when. you're looking at the cost now remember. a couple years ago former speaker Pelosi. said that we didn't have the money to. build a wall well but the states have. now said we want five billion dollar we. wanted five billion to finish the Trump. wall we just send a 100 billion to.

another. country again charity should start home. right we need this is just. unbelievable and here's the saddest part. is Chris is that it feels like as a per. as a voter it doesn't even matter. anymore yeah that's the part that starts. to feel. like this doesn't like what has to. happen where these sick people here's an. article right here the Biden. Administration and the US Congress have. directed more than 75 billion dollars in. assistance to Ukraine which includes.

humanitarian Financial military. support and I wonder where all that. money is going there's no I don't. believe this war doesn't even seem like. it's it's no one's talking about it. other than the Mone it's a facade all. we're talking about is the money being. spent over there it's a zalinski it I. believe it is a money laundering so you. know exactly so crazy about that with. the the the number you threw out and. what I was talking about as far as how. much we're spending Spirit laundering by. the ukra of the Ukrainian and Russian.

people I think they're being laundered. em uh mentally not not that I'm in favor. of paying off people's student debt but. if we if we just focused a little bit of. energy here in the United. States with the money that we were. spending everywhere else and I get it we. have to invest around the world I'm not. saying not but not to the we could help. people my other problem I have is the. homelessness and the mental health. issues we have facing this country what. would $75 billion do do right now to.

help the homelessness and the homeless. veteran problem and the mental health. issues we're fac addicted in the what. would that do it would be a life and. game Cher yeah Meanwhile we're just. printing money to go someplace else but. the ones that should matter the most the. American people the people within our. borders are suffering for that and. that's fr it is frustrating but here's. also why it's frustrating because it's. not like I want to say that hey we're. fortunate enough we shouldn't help other. people I don't believe that I believe.

that if someone is in a sense place of. power or possibility they should do what. they can to share it yeah right but I. believe that you are killing the very. people you're kill you're killing the. spirit of the people who do that work. yeah by making them feel. unsupported by making them feel like um. they uh their country doesn't have any. tradition that it doesn't have any. purpose that the borders that people.

died to protect um don't even matter. you're you're killing the will and the. spirit of the people that are going to. do that um that Outreach and work and so. you're going to get to a place yes where. like you're saying you just have. servants y that that if they even want. to do that as opposed to spirited. American people that want to help others. um I'm with you I don't want I don't. want to keep saying it but it goes back.

to that erosion of empathy and not only. empathy but just the spirit like you. said the to roll up the sleeves and get. the job done and go to work and and and. and and fight for what's right you you. just kind of numb them and that's what I. think that's what the plan is right if. we can we can create that servant. mentality we're like all right fine I'm. just if I can't beat them join them and. that's not what you're founded on right. I mean no it's not and but it's a bill. of goods that people are starting to. think that they were sold that's not. real and that's why I think people. that's why I think you start have to. start voting for people that have um.

some real morals and ethics you have to. re and some ethos you know I think you. got to start voting for those people who. believe that yeah because if you don't. take care of this there's nothing for. this can't do anything right if you. don't water of a plant nobody can see it. or smell it or or enjoy it you know and. it can't be a part of growth um you're. you're exactly right I I think that. that's so empowerful uh or so powerful. to to again you know to have just a.

moral compass and asmith set for the. right it doesn't mean it's we're going. to agree but it's it it's rooted in in. good faith right just that's and that's. the problem and and we become we become. so addicted to uh you know just. immediate response or some kind of. elicit of a response that we were not. putting in the work anymore you know it. takes a little bit of effort to to do. that it's if it was easy we wouldn't be. in this problem it takes hard work um. and and just like are the men and women. in the border patrol you know I I I go.

back to that was my wheelhouse for in my. life for 27 and a half years out there. walking in the desert in 120 degree heat. climbing up in the mountains when it's. you know subzero temperatures sludging. through the snow on the northern border. uh going through you know uh uh the. rattlesnake infested desert out there to. track somebody one more mile because. number one you either you may rescue. somebody or you may have gotten a a drug.

Runner or you may have gotten a. potential terrorist but if you just. didn't put in the work they're going to. get away and they could cause harm and. that's what you know what I love about. what was my profession for for a better. part of my life was it wasn't easy it. was rewarding yeah and it was hard work. but at the end of the day day the scars. the lims and all that stuff was worth it. because of the camaraderie and the spre. Accord that we had because we were doing. something good and and it's and to have.

that minimized and victimized and not. supported is tough we are a resilient. agency the men and women at the boorder. patrol ride to the sound of. gunfire we just needed that shot in the. arm every once in a while it says Hey. keep up the good work we got your back. and we get that from a lot of people we. just need that you know from a broader. brunch because for all the things that. are wrong for this country in order for. us to get it right we have to protect. our country both domestically through.

border security and then militarily you. know be safe you know around the world. because we know that there's fires. everywhere um and that starts at the top. yeah not only the in your house and. every day when you go to work but the. top of the country which is our the. White House has got to be able to. establish that and we're not seeing that. and that's I think that's I also believe. and I I've been around the country the. last few months and continue talking. about the border around the country and. I and I'm noticing the pendulum swinging. back to like hey enough's enough when.

people are dying because of fentanyl. overdoses because it's coming through. the Border because we won't shut it down. from China and from Mexican cartels and. it's coming in and it's killing people. when you have 300 you know opioid. related deaths a day and most of it's. fentanyl related because it's coming. through because our overworked border. security apparatus is not being able the. job to the extent it can people are. getting fed up you know it's not it's no. longer a border issue it is an American.

issue and I think that people are seeing. it and they're seeing the the it's being. Shrugged off at the at the highest. levels and I think you know it it it. sucks that it gets to this point but if. this is what's going to have to happen. this is what's going to have to happen. people have to got to wake up and make. sure that we stop electing morons and. get people that have a a good head on. their shoulder that are pointing in the. right direction we can disagree that's. okay but I guarantee you if people will. just pause for a moment and sit there.

and listen they'll find more common. ground than they have differences and I. think that's that's the spirit of. America that's the spirit of what makes. this country tick and why people still. try to come over here every day amen. yeah yeah no I I look I think that you. yeah you ha I'm just amazed that people. would sit there in places where. they're be they can't they're not even. brave enough to go to their own vehicle. because they're scared but yet they. would vote for policies and people that. aren't going to uh make sure that they.

have police and and Street lamps yeah. you know yeah it just I don't I'm just. sick I think it's it's it feels I think. our souls are starting to feel sick um. and I don't want to get just stuck in. that and I know you don't want to either. um so what is what do Solutions at the. border look like what does that look. like yeah no great question I I think. what we have to look at and uh it kind. of it's it's great timing because we've. talked about kind of the evolution of. what's happened over the the past you.

know nearly 27 28 years of my life the. the adversary has has changed right so. traditionally traditionally people would. come across you had your migrant workers. we talked about earlier but then you had. the criminal side of the smuggling. operation whether it was narcotics. smuggling or people smuggling this is. people The Smuggler crossing the border. guiding the people to a vehicle jumping. in a vehicle and driving to the next. city and then going to wherever they.

were going right what do you mean. driving whoo like what say so literally. you would have like Vehicles you Manan. this is all organized so I I'll use. Arizona as example so a Smuggler would. come down to from Phoenix or Tucson okay. there would be somebody on the American. side on American side leaving a vehicle. oh I see coordinating with the Southside. so it's a two-day walk to this vehicle. The Smuggler is smuggling through the. desert avoiding border patrol guiding. people to this vehicle and sometimes.

they all get in together and drive off. sometimes it's so well coordinated that. they they know they're going to show up. in this window this one hour and The. Smuggler drives in picks them up and. then they drive back to the next city. that's how it used to be and there's. still factions across the border where. that happening where you're having these. Pursuits I'm telling you it was so fun. back in the day when it was really cat. Mouse games like we would Chase these. people for hours or shifts yeah all.

those things on TV yeah people being. smuggled Theo that some of the funnest. things you use lassos you don't use a. lasso no no no we don't do any of that. stuff no we we handcuffs and but what I. would tell you what would be fun and and. and again give it context you got to. realize you're chasing some somebody. that's that's the thrill right it's part. of yeah you would get. Pursuits and they would be you know they. go high speeds or sometimes low speeds.

and then they would bail out and people. would it was like hamster Shaw shanking. out of the back of a of a pickup truck. my friend bailing out everywhere right. and so you would throw that vehicle in. the park and you would give foot chase. you had to go after the driver it's like. when the Piata bus open that's right get. the big Sni yeah so our goal was to go. get the driver cuz that's who we could. prosecute and then you go round up. everybody else but that was that was fun. and you would even almost kind of like.

you and The Smuggler would almost kind. of like all right you got me oh yeah so. and that was before we had all the. databases and systems to double check. that this person was been caught now we. would know if we caught you you know 10. or 100 times but that was some of the. the most thrilling part of my job was it. was rewarding because you were saving. lives if you end up rescuing people but. then it'd be fun like you know you'd. pick up the 2x4 or the plywood on the. back of a pickup truck and it's like hey. man I can see you and they wouldn't look.

at you but I you would get Vans with. you're yeah you'd i' get 30 people in a. van you know you get 10 people in a in a. Ford you know Fiesta and you're like how. does this happen um what was really. funny is you see these older model. vehicles I'm like my vehicle I I I would. be I wouldn't trust driving it to. Michigan in the middle of night. these people didn't care they were going. but we had what was the number one. vehicle that got left down there by the. way like was there one vehicle that was. always like if you saw if you saw a. Suburban any kind of SUV that was that.

was always a a t you know just a. giveaway you're driving down a two-lane. Border Highway and then there's next to. a culvert there's a some kind of SUV uh. they love pickups because they could. just jump in real quick um so you know. uh pickups were very uh uh extended cabs. were great because they could put people. in the front end and you know you could. they would if you drove by they drove by. you you wouldn't see anything in the. bettered truck and you couldn't see what. was in the back um but we just knew cuz.

you'd see the yellow lights cuz they. were usually older vehicles and they're. riding like this um but we we would get. into all that it was so much fun or you. would track people for days literally. like you go in if you're a day shift guy. you're in at 6:00 in the morning you're. on a trail by 7 you work until 3:00 or 4. in the afternoon turn it over to the. next shift you come back the next day. like hey we oh we pushed it 20 miles so. you'd go out there and and work and. you'd catch them and and it was people. looking for work people that were. criminals gang members or there were you.

know back then it was the cash crop was. marijuana that was when you know. everybody was backpacking marijuana now. you don't even catch marijuana anymore. it's legalized in so many places but. it's it's changed now it's changed. because again for years we fought a. conventional War if you will against a. conventional smuggling now because of. policies and the way things are so. interconnected like people are making. all the arrangements now on the cell. phones using online you know uh social. media platforms the Smugglers oftentimes.

don't even cross the border anymore all. the arrangements are made prior to. people getting to the Border as I. mentioned earlier the large groups are. being you know push through in one area. the other ones are using their apps and. I'm not going to niame the the the. programs but. they will communicate with The Smuggler. via cell phone and Via apps doing DMS. and and hey I'm lost and will send me a. picture of what you see and then they.

will text back okay you need to go. through this way and they they'd put a. they'd road map it for them oh so the. coyotes or whatever who are bringing. them across usually aren't even going. anymore they're either in Mexico or in. Phoenix wow because they and then then. everything's done through cash apps and. everything else so we have this. beautiful thing called. interconnectedness has made the. unconvention it made the adversary. unconventional so how do we attack it. it's one of the things that I'm doing. right now and this is necessarily A a.

big pitch but the reality is is there is. so much. online smuggling and trafficking done on. our numerous social media platforms that. children are being recruited to be. Smugglers children are and and and. people are being recruited to buy uh uh. uh you. know u u illegitimate you know narcotics. you know uh you know underground stuff. you know hey you want to P done it we're.

using yeah you can do this on the apps. and this is where it becomes so deadly. yeah because this it may be pressed in a. clandestine lab in Mexico as a Vic in. but it's they don't have the same. sanitary so now you got residual fitel. you know DEA put out a stat recently. like like seven out of 10 off-market. things have enough vent in it now to. kill them that's ridiculous so one of. the things a solution that we have have.

created and I'm part of is is using. artificial intelligence and machine. learning to Target the. online Predators whether it's you doing. that so yeah so this is this is my. company that I'm part of massive blue so. we we basically use deep Tech and to. identify. the the habits and and in the process of. you know look I I worked on a physical. wall now we've created a cyber wall to. protect and Target those that are going.

after people right like there are look. there were over I think in the last. seven days close to 2,000 Unique. Individuals posting sex services in. Nashville alone yeah who do you think. those people are. you know Theo you and I are close enough. in age to real remember milk carton. missing kids in the milk carton you. don't see that anymore right it's this. it's these people not only are they. internationally being victimized and.

traffic. domestically in Nashville alone that. many Unique Individuals right and about. 25% of that stuff is narcotics. crossovers so not only are they selling. people and services there's also drug. lead so we have got to take this. unconventional approach and use the. technology that they're using that you. us and and and we play by the rules. obviously wow but we have got to create. that cyber wall to protect our country.

protect our community our companies. because there's all sorts of corporate. aspir and our children most importantly. because if you think that you know kids. are upstairs going to bed on a school. night at 9 o00 and not on their social. do you think the person they're engaging. with is really their friend or somebody. that they know this is where this these. predators and and boy the sextortion all. the stuff that's going on you look this. I did this for so long that this was. where I knew how could I continue to. make a difference and not wear the badge.

and gun anymore is to go after the bad. guy in an unconventional Manner and you. know I I I think it's going to save. lives it's going to protect lives it's. going to you know there's so much we can. do with it let's use the technology to. our advantage it's not going away right. let's use it to help and if I can. minimize human trafficking online if I. can save lives then I'm living the best. life how does your how does this company. do that how does your company do that.

well I'm not going to get into too much. of it you're just saying but that's. where you're headed now that's where. we're headed right okay so you and. that's where you're headed or you also. think that that's where we're headed as. a as a border patrol agency well so I. would love to be able to get this in the. hands of the border patrol because let's. let's think about what's happening right. now online it you really takes a a. person staring at a computer data mining. just going through websites and going. through all why not use technology what. I can do in an hour would take somebody. a week or more um and so this is how we.

can get this into we're working with a. couple States and a couple uh uh. agencies to with this program to help. them use this Tool It's a Great lead. generator like it's going to do that and. we're just we're going to continue to. evolve there's we love online we love. our social media and it's a good thing. it is a good thing but let's put the. safeguards and let's use it to well it. goes back again though to why doesn't. our country have I and maybe this is me.

just expecting out of government you. know I've often said if you expect. anything out of government you're out of. your mind yes but you would think the. one thing that you would want out of. your government that you would get is. safety yeah right that is the number one. thing that people always pay for um is. is safety. um and the fact that they just had. Zuckerberg in court the other day uh. apologizing with no emotion guy I don't. know if the guy's ever had a feeling and.

he's in court um because of families. that have lost children or had children. sex trafficked or um bought in drug. there's there's just there's no uh wall. I don't know why an. adult um Zuckerberg apologizes to. families of online child sex abuse um in. an unscripted scene during tense. testimony Wednesday meta platforms Inc. CEO Mark Zuckerberg stood before a pack. Senate hearing I am sorry for everything.

that you have all gone through he said. um Wednesday while facing a crowd of. safety Advocates and parents holding. photos of their children it's terrible. no one should have to go through the. things that you families have suffered. yeah I mean it's unbelievable he's. sitting there surrounded by all of his. lawyers yeah um and he it felt it seemed. like he didn't have an emotion yeah like. it's like it just but that blows my mind. why there isn't if how could you how are. you even allowed to use a I. can't even buy a deodorant that doesn't. have a little thing on it that has a.

plastic thing on it now so that some kid. just doesn't put it on or put his mouth. on it right but yet you can have an app. where some Predator can reach out to my. child yeah and not go to. jail for it I feel like these guys. should be jailed you know it's the same. with that family the Sackler family that. did the opiates yeah with oxycoton it's. like they killed hundreds of thousands. of people in this country yeah they. killed hundreds of thousands of human. beings it's unbelievable and.

they didn't go to jail yeah it's uh it's. unbelievable that uh you know that which. is again your passion is exactly my. passion when it comes to this you know. we need to be able to come up with tools. to combat this because look social media. the platforms the different apps it's. not going away we're not going backwards. so let's let's attack it from the front. and let's let's beat them at the punch. and that's what my company has been. doing um I'm I'm I'm super excited. because I think that is you know a way. that we can feel safe as a parent myself. I want my daughter to be able to to to.

uh enjoy the the the technology that's. there it's part of her generation but I. want her to be safe and and and I want. to be able to you know we're investing. in this to make sure people can be heal. healthy and and and and and live life. you know for every story I can tell you. there's a dozen more of parents that. have lost their children on something as. simple as I'm ordering this online it. got delivered to the house and I thought. it was a vicadin and and they woke up. well they never woke up you know I met a. I met a lady lady a year or so ago and.

it's exactly that her daughter had was. dealing with some uh you know recovering. pain from she was a gymnast and uh her. friends were chatting online she's like. well you can you know you can order this. online and and she did mom went to bed. this got delivered uh to the house um. and she woke up up went upstairs to find. her daughter and she was dead you know. and and she found the The Exchange on on. her phone you know and no parent should. you know it's tough enough just to. imagine uh losing a child but when you.

lose them because of something like that. that could be prevented or at least. there could be safeguards there's got to. be there's no way they can tell what. kind of you like to look at and. advertise you but they can't. tell they can't keep uh they can't have. a little bit more efficiency with. figuring out who is able to reach out to. children or who children are able to. reach out to now I guess somebody could. create and look obviously I'm not.

arguing the other side of it that maybe. there's like somebody could create a. plat but if somebody hasn't been online. long enough with a platform then maybe. they shouldn't be able to reach out to. children or there should just be much. stricter things in place it seems like. well I don't know I don't know enough. about it it's a stark reminder that you. know that there 's evil out there and uh. uh and and so uh it's winning. that's what it feels like sometimes yeah. and that's why we're invested in this I. can tell you that there are platforms. out there that will recruit teenagers.

and this is very prevalent Arizona in. the Phoenix area to get an Su get your. mom and dad's SUV um drive down if if. you're interested to make a thousand. bucks a person you want to make $5,000. you know get an SUV DM me here and then. that message disappears right but. they're now they're they're they're. messaging and they give them a pin drop. and go pick up these five people well. now these kids and most of them are. minors 16 17 years old so they haven't. been driving very long now they're in. Mom and Dad's SUV they end up picking up.

10 people in some remote area near. Douglas Arizona and they're told drive. to Phoenix and when you get to Phoenix. DM me I'll give you a pin drop and don't. stop for border patrol or cops they're. doing 100 miles an hour with 10 people. in their car topheavy they don't know. how to drive cuz they're young anyway. they're rolling over people are dying. they're t-boning innocent civilians. caught in an intersection killing people. this is happening every day and they're. using social uh uh media to to.

coordinate that so the Smugglers are not. at risk because they're they doing the. job any yeah burn the account burn the. phone they they're not there's no. there's no overhead for them wow they. just used mom's SUV oh by the way if you. were successful and you got to the drop. off location they're gonna say yeah I. got your license plate I know who you. are I'm not going to pay you this time. you're not going to squeal because I. know who you are I know what school you. go to I know what your mom drives the. hooks in man yeah the hooks in yeah.

there's stuff right there yep that. happens migrants killing pickup crashes. undocumented immigrants killed Chase on. Border that killed eight yeah wow it's. nuts and you know again back to the. solutions how do we fix it so we we we. attack it we have to attack it the front. right we still have to secure that. border right we got to we got to plug. the leak not just what this the. administration and what a lot of. politicians like they they give you. buckets to bail the water out just fix. the damn leak right right yeah but if. they fix the leak then they won't have. something to kick the ball.

around to use as a uh football so we. keep play in this game yes yeah exactly. what do you well yeah if you're the. Border if you were the you could make. the choices what would you do well I'd. finish what we started as far as. securing the Border where it made sense. what the agents need W I don't need. again like I mentioned I don't need a. wall 2,000 miles right but I where I. need it I need it I need the technology. I need the I need the agents I need to. put some of these safeguards back in. place to close loopholes in the existing.

policy I would put immigration judges in. Mass to quit Court these people like we. do sometimes in municipalities you know. night courts right where they just go up. there and see the judge and you you know. you so we can start thinning the herd of. of this backlog right so the legislative. side need you need help yeah so so is. that legislative yeah yeah so we need. some laws just the laws in the books are. good right but we need laws to hold the. executive accountable to pursue the laws. and not have the too much latitude so I.

would I would do some things and we need. legislature to appropriate to fund you. need people to do the processing yeah. well so that again that's kind of one of. those things where if we if we minimized. the flow right then we could handle that. that. hiring more people to process is a. bucket to bail water it's not fixing the. leak got it forcing them through the. ports of Entry through better lawful. Pathways right instituting that migrant.

protection protocol where they going to. wait in the country they first stepped. in for Asylum until they can get here or. until they can get those kind of things. we can modernize them we can clean them. up a lot of these policies were highly. effective they were a little clunky to. start but they were working they could. have been smoothed out that's what I. would do I would secure the Border first. and I would start right away with. working on the backlog and then the. preventive piece which would be better. Pathways but I would do it by not my. circle of friends in Washington I'd be.

out there in every all 50 states saying. what do you need to make and I don't. want to sound political but to continue. to make this country great to make sure. that we are you know doing the right. thing for we the people and opening that. door to our invited guests as we as we. need and see fit right we the country. should determine who and what comes in. here and how they come in not just you. know come in in mass and we'll we'll. filter through it when we can that's.

that's no plan like you've mentioned we. that would be the plan. secure uh uh clean up and preventive. maintenance is what I would do you know. and there's people out there that uh. that see that you know um and that that. want to do good they want to SEC that we. want to find that balance right like. when you what do you mean when you say. that like there's politicians yeah. there's politicians out there that I. think see this um from uh from a a. common sense and Compass have you had. some that have showed up like that yeah.

well Bobby Kennedy there's an example is. a guy so we've had well let's talk about. current Bobby gives a it's. unbelievable when you look at Bobby and. you look at other the other candidates. you're like he oh he actually gives he. has thoughts and views on Biden I. don't I don't know any of his policies. Trump is very like one-handed kind of in. a lot of ways you know he doesn't. elaborate um Biden is not he's just not. H it's just not fair what they keep. doing to that man as a senior citizen I.

think it's sick um but yeah Bobby is. dialed in yeah so I would say this he at. least has views he has views on things. he'll give you reasons why he has you. know you can tell that he cares and I. think he's open to to whatever but you. can I just like to have anybody that. gives a I think that's that's. you're going to see in that that video. that there's actually picture of me and. what he posted he posted a couple things. about with me on it today I I'll do this. I'll say this the there in the C current.

sitting political pieces there's for. every one that gives a darn there's a. couple that don't care right you just. just just you just get it right they're. down there for photo op they're they're. nodding their heads um it's like they. don't want to solve that as we just. talked about so they can PA it right um. but then there's again there there's. there's Yours Truly right there that's. cool man when yeah I'm not trying to. sound like a I'm not some right-wing nut. job I just that's the crazy part too you. start they start brainwashing you to.

feel like you're some like farri crazy. person if you just think there should be. organization to the program it's. compassion and common sense it's all. we're talking about because there's yeah. I don't want us to not have people here. I don't want us to not have diversity I. don't want I would hate that I but I. don't want us to have people hiding in. the desert who are scared who don't know. what the is going on who don't know. how they can they don't have a path yeah. both people need immigrants to have a.

path it seems like the the current. elected class if you will and I I'll. just say the former uh politicians. current politicians they they they. present you with false choices like you. can and we've talked about a little bit. today you either for it or you're. against it you can't be one or the other. no that's not true true you know there. is there is some common ground and. that's what I you know anybody to. include yourself that's why we're here. today that wants to learn facts to learn. about the Border or come down to the.

border and see what's going on not just. a photo op not just saying I've been. there to check a box but literally go. down there and spend some time talk to. the sheriffs talk to the Mayors talk to. the agricultural leadership the farm and. ranchers talk to the nonprofits The. Domestic Violence Shelter talk to the. superintendent of the hospital had has a. $21 million bill from illegal. immigration that hasn't been paid yet. who's supposed to serve the community.

talk to retired border patrol officials. talk to people that have lived there to. find out what's going on not what one TV. show or news station says or the other. counterpoints it go down there and. that's that's that's why I appreciate. what what Bobby did he came down there. it spent three days I spent maybe a. couple hours with him giving him my my. take days that's longer than anybody. else has spent yeah that's longer than. the president the vice president the. secretary goes often but look this is.

somebody that's what we want we want. those choices we want that out of our. leadership. whether it goes anywhere or not you come. down there and you listen yeah and when. you listen you can pause and you can. maybe learn and you know maybe make a. difference and I think that's the. critical piece as a country as we talked. about earlier we want choices we want. options you know we want to look at a. menu we don't want to be told what we're. going to do and so many of our elect I.

don't even call them elected leaders. because they're not leading so many of. the elected politicians like you said. it's either one way or the other it's. either so strong-handed this way and. that's just not how we are and so it's. refreshing to have people that are. actually listening people like Bobby. that come down there and say hey I want. to learn. um you know uh it's it's a good thing. and I think we need more of that to to. make this country better yeah amen man I. think um yeah I would love to see Bobby. get uh I don't know if most people know. if he's on the ballots I think they're.

still figuring that out but it's Trump. Biden and Kennedy those are the options. I don't even think some people realize. that uh that Bobby Kennedy is an option. yeah you know I I tell you what I I. listen to him often i' I've had the. pleasure look his his campaign reached. out to me the other Haven so I'm you. know I'm I don't care who you are if you. want to listen and you want to learn and. you want to hear what I have to say I'll. be I'll be happy to talk to you about it. um yeah I think he is the campaign still. trying to get on some of the ballots but.

at the end of the day that's the big. three that are going to be probably left. when it's all said and done don't don't. know how that's going to play out. because we still have a primary there's. still one Republican candidate out or. two out there Haley and Trump are out. there you got Biden and you got Kennedy. Haley has some good border policies. doesn't she well yeah I think she's. she's kind of I don't know who's. advising her I I'm certainly not um uh I. I think she's about securing the Border. but a lot more openness about it you. know than than than you know uh than.

some of the others I I think that. there's a uh I think at least from Trump. and Kennedy it's like hey we got to. secure the Border you know and I think. Haley is saying the same thing but I I. just and Biden's saying it now too or. their campaign is well it's that they're. saying it I'm saying yeah the timing is. is is impeccable right right the numbers. at the lowest he's been border is a. number number one so it's definitely a. last ditch effort um I can't imagine. they're going to run I can't imagine.

he's going to run for president I just. don't think it would be uh Humane yeah. is my argument um I don't think it would. be Humane to do that to somebody you. know yeah well you know what what I will. say is that candidates and campaigns are. they they and evolve over a campaign. cycle so we're still I mean yeah we're. months away but those are long months. away Anything Could Happen uh with. whether it's uh the current president or. the the the other contenders I just glad.

that we've got you know uh uh another. option out there you know I think that's. what's important and and and again super. smart guy and uh you know I wish him all. the best and I you know me too Bobby man. and I've always lik the I like the. underdog you know I like I. always um I like the1 it's fun to listen. to him because he comes he's he's smart. on the on the topics right he can't even. understand him half the time but. that is just a vocal thing some people. don't realize that some people like he's.

drunk I'm like no no no he has a bad uh. or whatever it it but you know what when. you listen to him and he talks about. look he he he he he told me he's like I. I didn't see this border issue I thought. it was some right-wing deal right um we. don't have a country if we don't have. this board I mean he literally changed. his mind in 72 hours of where he was. coming from and to me that's a win and. that is successful and that is also. someone that is showing compassion and.

Common Sense and I've said that multiple. times I think that's what what we stand. for when it comes down to this border AG. common sense is secure it compassion not. only for our agents and our communities. but also the migrants and he sees that. also wants to hold Mexico accountable. and they because they've got they've got. a stake in this claim too how is Mexico. benefiting from um the current border. security well you know well first of all. it'd be very interesting how much uh.

money transferred to Mexico um when. Marcus and blinkin went down there. between Christmas and New Year's to. address the issue um because all of a. sudden we went from 10 12,000 arrests. today to about 6,700 arrest today so um. mexic maybe there could have been some. sort of a payoff or something oh there. absolutely foreign aid to help support. their M you know uh that's just money in. the coffers um look I want to make it. very clear the Mexican people are a. beautiful people they are God-fearing.

hard working they are so everyone that. I've met and even some of the the. officials but the government of Mexico. is very very difficult to deal with and. I I'll tell you that um I I think that a. lot of the uh you know obviously there's. the cartel influence on things and uh. the the the the amount of money that is. coming through um this that country. through smuggling and through just human. beings transiting through Mexico to get.

to the United States is is astronomical. you know when when you and and so what I. what I will say is they probably are. getting some kind of financial support. from the United States um you're not. hearing about the Caravans anymore right. they're they're being dis uped I'm sure. I'm sure that's what Mexico's doing is. Caravans a two three 4 th000 at a time. coming up from Guatemala they get. dispersed and Mexico is is taking some. um some of the migrants that get. returned and they're flying them back to.

the interior so they don't have an. immediate you know um like giving them. like taking them yeah setting them back. like men's teas or whatever yeah so yeah. so if yeah exactly so if I caught you in. San Diego and returned you in Tiana you. just could come right back right well if. I caught you in San Diego returned you. to Tiana and Mexico flew you to Guan or. down to Waka yeah Waka you got a whole. you got a whole another journey to get. back up to the border so that disrupts. that smuggling cycle and gives us a. little so Mexico is cooperating with.

that but they're it ain't happening. without a lot of money so I would be I'd. be curious how much uh Arrangements. there and the state department under. blinking you know there's state. department has so much money well how. about send them 5 billion that's what I. would do then send them a decent amount. and let's shut it down completely for a. while well but I yeah I don't know. enough constitutionally Mexico does not. see immigration as uh they see that as a. as a as a human right there's no laws. preventing so it's very so they don't. have any laws preventing people from. wanting to come here they don't say hey.

don't do that yeah right oh so that. that's a challenge right so they have a. constitutional challenge so they' have. to do things like we would do use. executive actions as long as it's not. considered uncons so they've had to. they've had to navigate some things but. I'll tell you they did it under. President Trump because because of the. different mindset in the White House. holding Mexico accountable if you don't. we will shut this down I will tear off. you and Mexico all of a sudden complied. established their own humanitarian. National Guard and all those kind of. things in fact probably had the highest.

level of cooperation I ever had with my. Mexican counterparts um that changed a. lot under this Administration um still. good people but they didn't have the. pressures coming from Washington to. Mexico City to do anything and you know. I just uh yeah it's just challenging you. know to ask another government look we. should never be in the business of. negotiating with another country for our. own border security not as the American. not as the United States I get other. countries have to do that that's why we. have NATO and things like that but the. United States of America should never. negotiate our security with another.

country not not here on in this. hemisphere yeah that's our that's we. talked about it we hinted a little bit. the the government's responsibility is. life liberty and pursuit of happiness. you do that through a strong domestic. security a strong International Security. in the sense of our military to protect. us and and I'm not saying going into. Wars but just protect us and then a. strong economy so we can pursue. happiness doesn't say we're going to be. happy but if the government would just. focus on those two things and then get. the heck out of our Lives we'd be a lot.

a lot more you know fun there's some. safeguards like we talked about that. that's the protection piece but at the. end of the day uh where does all that. money go to right I know it's crazy. that's what's baffling and it's still at. the same time we're able to sit in a. place that has heat and cool and and. have water and you know and food and. know that we have can go eat when we get. out of here and I know that there's a. lot of people that's far less fortunate. than that in the world um but I again go. back to the fact that if we are healthy.

and safe and organized then we as. individuals can best service other. people who want to come to this country. to stay or to visit um or to work um we. can better have a plan of how to make. that happen um as a group but then as. individuals we can um we can service. that and be a part of that which makes. you feel like you're part of immigration.

and you are and you are grateful to. share your country with other people um. and that is a sense of Pride which gives. you a sense of purpose you know and a. lot of that disappears when um there's. not a program in place I think I think. you're right you know the the the sense. of purpose and contributing is important. to just just living a good life right. and if we can get our act together as a. country and we can can contribute and. and number one clean up our own backyard.

but then also help others yeah. contribute to others to come yeah we can. do I just we can do a lot more from a. healthy place it's hard it's hard when. you're not when you when you when you're. in fear it's really hard to uh. to do your best and just raise kids that. it's just it's not it's not good um and. I love you know I love you having this. platform and I think it's so important. to be able to have these type of.

conversations because when you've got a. status you know um a celebrity status. that's got a a podcast or you're a you. know a rock star or you're an athlete. you know you you you have an audience. that is not you know doesn't always he. some of the things that are really going. so when you can use this platform that. you have to talk about what's impacting. people every day that's impacting this. country I I commend you I mean like look. I I I love it when I see people like.

yourself you know having these type of. conversations it's so it's so important. because a lot of your audience you know. they've heard about it you know. indirectly but now they're actually. hearing it today about this is the real. problem this is. what you're seeing on TV is real and. there's not a solution in place there. was a solution wasn't perfect but it was. working but now it feels like there's. nothing yeah and and the plan and we. need a plan we just need a plan you need. a plan you do that when you hit your.

your app to figure out how you're going. to drive the grocery store but we won't. do it to chart what's best for our. country I know it just yeah we need to. feel safe so we can operate well and I. don't think it's a thing where it's like. I don't want anybody to come over here I. think it's like uh. um like hey let's get this we things. should be in an organized space you so. you can come over here and we can be. here and everything can work well for. the better of the people coming and the.

better of the people that are already. here yeah um I would say that to add to. that foot stomp that you know like. secure our border recruit and ATT and. attain the the best and and brightest. that we need right let's let's have. let's invite people and let let's have. people sign up for the guest list so we. know who's coming right let's have let's. have consequences for those that are. taking advantage of those people that. are violating the system and then let's. have full transparency about what's. really happening so people can make.

informed decisions in their life people. need to know what's going on on our. borders because it's impacting them not. look when the when the administration is. more about securing their narrative than. securing the Border that's a problem. that's what I see as the issue to me I'm. sorry to cut you off but that was. something that thought was very very. important that we have to have a plan we. have to we have to create the invite. list and we also let people apply to be. on that list as well and just know who's. coming in and we control that yeah and. the fact that there's only so many visas. it all just the thing needs a huge. overhaul and people know it and I'm just.

amazed I wish I could see a little bit. deeper I don't know what's past the. first few shovels of dirt you know. what's holding the roots of some. of this stuff in place um that makes. people want to keep it the way it is. some of that I'm a little foggy on um. but man I want to ask you one more thing. if you go to like the Border like you're. going to Canada or something um and they. when they look up your stuff on the. computer do they know everything right.

when you go through there like they. border patrol a like yeah so if you're. if you're going lawfully in and out of. Canada they're going to they're running. your your car your driver's LIC your. passport with your your drive your. vehicle license plate yeah all all that. data it's all public information that's. in there oh so they just have all of. that stuff yeah it's it's all in the. databases which is interesting because. in New York going back to Sanctuary. cities and policies they refuse to share. DMV uh motor vehicle information with. the federal agents so it's difficult for.

agents sometimes to run license checks. on vehicles how do you know who The. Smuggler is or who this person is that. may be going through the Border wonder. why they did that though just because it. was just seen as bad but yeah so if you. go into can and if you go into Mexico if. you're Crossing through a lawful Port of. Entry whether it's an air land or sea. port when you present your. identification it's going through. everything that we've got on you that is. a public record so your your your. driver's license there um it's always.

curious because like have you been here. before yeah and you're like oh do. they know if I've been here before do I. know yeah they'll they they know your. Crossings uh there's uh I'm not going to. get into well it's not it's not anything. that's you know you know secret or. anything like that but yeah we have uh. we have record checks to know if you've. crossed in the last 72 hours or how. often your vehicle has crossed and same. thing there there's Visa entry exit. requirements in law so we know when you. come in and when you leave the country. even if you fly domestically sometimes. is there's a you know you can take a.

they'll take a picture just to tr track. you yeah you can voluntarily opt out of. that kind of stuff but yeah it's it's. part of it you know um what one last. question why isn't the same problem at. the Canadian border that's at the. southern border who's to say it's not. it's not volume right so let's talk. about that um uh uh about 90% of the. Canadian population lives within 100 air. miles in the United States all your. major cities because it's so much tundra. in wide open land yeah Shout Out w yeah.

every every. major. organization terrorist organization. affiliate like that has some kind of you. know uh uh tie to those all the cities. in the world pretty much but in that. Canadian population. uh in those cities right so there is a. threat on the northern border difference. is it's not sexy enough because the. volume and I can't recall off the top of. my head but I think there was probably. only like 8 to 10,000 arrests on the. northern border compared to the 2.4.

million on the southern border so. because of all the focus on the southern. border we've had to shift resources. internally within the border patrol so. about and I don't want to say too much. but during 21 and 22 about about half of. our northern border agents were down on. the southern border wow so that creates. a vulnerability now go back to morale. and resiliency so in the Frozen North. you know you only have a few months so. you can get your house and your your. life prepared for the winter so when our.

agents are being deployed down south. they left their family behind it just. creates a tough cycle so by not fixing. the southern border you've created. vulnerabilities on the Northern and our. Coastal which includes New Orleans. sector Miami sector and Puerto Rico. sector those same resources were shifted. to the Southwest border as well so we're. creating vulnerabilities on our Coast so. it without plugging that leak on the. southern border you're creating. vulnerabilities everywhere else so I. mean we got that right sized a little. bit better than we were so I'm we're not.

as vulnerable up north as we were a few. years ago we' gotten better but it's. still something we have to consider so. it does if we fix a southern border. which this latest bill that failed was. all about the southern border there's. still a northern border threat yeah I. mean it again we we we you have to think. broadly on this yep you got to think. broadly and you got to stay positive too. I know there's been a lot of like kind. of like it sounds Dow here and there. it's a lot of looking at it and um and. you know and even uh we got to stay.

hopeful though and that's where I'm at. with it and um yeah Chris I got a hit an. AA meeting man thank you so much for. your time dude you got it brother this. was great this is thank you for talking. about it I hope the audience you know uh. appreciates it and just stop and think. man if we can cause somebody to pause. little bit to just take it all in and. think about hey we can do better I think. I think this is a win for the for the. show today and you know I I really. appreciate you you know having me on and. talking about something this is a. serious issue um but uh you know and it. can be solved but it's goingon to we got.

have to roll up our sleeves and get it. done yeah awesome Chris Clen thank you. so much man yeah I appreciate your time. brother appreciate it man this is. great just floating on the breeze and I. feel I'm falling like these leaves I. must be. Cornerstone oh but when I reach that. ground I'll share this piece of mind I. found I can feel it in my. bones but it's going to.

take.