Billy Strings | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #676

Today's guest is a three-time Grammy. award-winning musician and songwriter. His new album, So Much for Goodbyes, is. out August 28th, and he's on tour the. rest of the year. You got to go see him. If you can, you got to see him live. We. filmed this up in Grand Rapids, Michigan. at Meno Harvest Studios. Uh we want to. thank Michael and his team over there. for the hospitality. It was second to. none. And so was this conversation. Uh. this is one of my favorite um one of my.

favorite chats ever. Uh so grateful for. his time. Today's guest is Mr. Billy. Strings, >> dude. Good to see you, man. >> Yeah, you too. It's awesome, bro. >> Yeah. Thanks for coming through the old.

stomping grounds, man. >> This is it. Grand Rapids. >> Yeah. Glad to have you in Michigan. I. grew up like I don't know half hour, 40. minutes away from here over in Ionia and. Mure. But yeah, Grand Rapids. We used to. come over here a bunch when I was a. teenager and party and it's a good good. city. >> Would you guys come like on a like a. Saturday night? Would like your proms be. here? Like was it like that kind of. place or was it like was this like going. to the city? >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never went to prom. Um,

>> you didn't? >> No, I I actually didn't want to. I just. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Were you like one of those kind of like. anti like a like cuz there was something. about promise kind of like. establishment, I think, especially when. you're in high school kind of. >> Yeah. Yeah. It just wasn't my vibe. And. I had a girlfriend at the time. It. really pissed her off that I didn't want. to go. I think she ended up going with. like Dylan Youngstrom or something. >> Nuh-uh. >> Yeah. >> Dylan freaking Youngstrom. >> Yeah. What the heck, dude? >> Either way, >> bro, I was in band with him, dude. He.

couldn't even make first chair. >> I know. Yeah. >> [ __ ] That's crazy, dude. >> Yeah, she was pissed. But understandably. so. I like what kind of like what an. [ __ ] thing. Like, no, I'm not going. to go. Like, what? Later on, I'm like, man, I was a real dick, >> you know? >> But what was the reasoning behind it? You don't seem like a guy that doesn't. have like reasoning kind of behind it. I. just prom I just don't want to go dress. up and I I don't really dance and what. >> they're not going to be playing good.

music anyways and. >> I don't know. >> just kind of like seemed like. >> not my scene you know. >> yeah I think it's hard to go from kind. of like picking like to the window to. the wall you know to the sweat comes off. the wall. >> they were playing. kind of it's kind of crazy that that's. the music that we like feed to the kids. like from the window to the wall till. the sweat comes off the balls or. whatever. >> I remember that was always on like Need. for Speed back in the day, the video. game. And yeah, it's crazy how nostalgic.

that music is now. Like all that like. Rick Ross and Young Jeezy and stuff like. that. It's like you hear that and it. brings you right back to like those. parties. >> Oh yeah, dude. Yeah. There was just. something about like all those young. parties, dude. when you would show up at. a party, bro, and like somebody had like. a fence on the side of the house. You. would open the fence and go back into. the party or go into the house party and. somebody's just parents were. unfortunately out of town. Like all they. done is like driven to see your mom's.

sister like two towns over and they had. no idea that their insurance was at. risk. >> Yeah. Around here, I mean, I think. everywhere kids are partying, but around. here it's there's nothing better to do, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, we always just. it's all that's all that life was about. is like where's the party at? >> Yeah, >> dude. And then just some nights you. would just drive around and look for a. party and for like 4 hours and people. would just make up parties. Dude, I I. would always make up parties. Dude, there's a party. It's like 7 milesi out. that way. And people would [ __ ] drive.

out there and we would just sit there. like yarning things or whatever like in. the parking lot and just die laughing. just knowing that like everybody was. headed out to some invisible fiesta. >> Yeah. Um, >> man, I miss those uh those days though. Like I look back on it now and everybody. like pulls all their cars into a field. and burning pallets and just like, you. know, somebody's got a keg and it like. around here it always ended up in a. fight at the end of the night. It would. be like once people got drunk enough and.

then somebody finally would it would pop. off and then it would like the whole. place would just erupt and everybody. would be fighting. >> Yeah, >> that happened all the time. Oh yeah, dude. Things have to end either. like in a fight or dessert. I feel like. >> I think that's kind of the American way, dude. Our [ __ ] was somebody would always. some [ __ ] some little like summer. school junkie would throw a like a WD40. bottle into the fire.

>> Oh yeah, that's a good move. >> And then it would just be it would be. like 30 seconds of like Vietnam. It. would be like it would be like watching. Hacksaw Ridge. like really fast, you. know. Um, and that was always that was. always kind of how it went. Did you guys. have some people in town? Did you guys. have any like characters in town that. were like sort of like um like local. celebrities in the sense like that was. like the guy in town that was like this. thing or something? >> Yeah, a lot of those different cats and. for different reasons, you know. One of. my dear friends, uh, Darren Paige, he's.

no longer with us, but he was like super. popular, you know. um good-looking dude. I think he was. like on the football team and everything. and everybody loved him, you know, and. he got into like drugs and [ __ ] and it. sort of drugg him down. It was weird to. see because like, you know, it it was kind of like the. kids that were from a more stable family. maybe would.

go down the wrong path and they wouldn't. necessarily know how to handle it. where. I come from like a family that was like. full of drugs and I've always been real. careful, you know, because I saw it. But, um, I think kids that were more. like sheltered or something sometimes. those are the kids that would like end. up o overdosing or, you know, going to. prison or just let taking it way too. far, you know? >> Yeah. Yeah. They get loose. It's like. suddenly like they have no cookies and. suddenly they get they just wander in. the damn, you know. >> Yeah. >> They just wander like in the Keebler's.

tree or whatever, you know, and then. they're gooning, bro. >> Yeah. And then there was uh folks that. were, you know, famous for other. reasons. There was this guy, one of my. best friends ever. He's also dead um. from an overdose. Kevin Clayton, one of the craziest [ __ ] I've. ever known in my life, dude. Just. absolutely nuts and uh hilarious. And would. >> what like how was he funny? >> Just he was he was just funny, man. He.

was always like, you know, just trying. to get high and he would go to like jail. or something and get out and go back to. the same old [ __ ] and he like, you know, he was just a fun person to party with. He was nuts. >> Yeah. >> He was always like, "Come on, bro. Get. let me get 50 bucks. I want to go. Buddha, you know, and he was like one of. the first people I ever smoked with and. stuff." And uh. >> Buddhaoot. >> Yeah, that means like banging oxy. >> Oh, dang. I thought it meant go down on. somebody.

Come on, bro. Let me get 50 bucks. I. want to boot a coup. And uh these are. [ __ ] nuts, dude. One time we were at. uh over at my mom's house, and it was. when that game Skate had just came out. on Xbox, the first Skate, >> and uh it was just like me and Kevin and. my brother and another friend of mine. And uh I wasn't drinking. I was just I. didn't feel like it that night. I was. just hanging out. I just wanted to play.

my video game. And so I got this brand. new Xbox and I'm sitting there playing. and um [ __ ] Kevin and my brother, they got this, for some reason they had. a Mountain Dew bottle full of Southern. Comfort and like a bunch of other [ __ ]. but they were drinking this full 2 liter. of [ __ ] Soo. Don't ask me why it was. in the 2 L bottle, but it was. And then. uh so as the night went on, they got. more and more hammered. And Kevin come. up to me and I'm sitting on the couch. and he put his arm around my neck and he.

kind of put me in a headlock and I was. like, "Dude, stop. Like I'm not in the. mood, you know?". >> Yeah. I hate it when people do that. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes I don't. Like if it's around. the holidays or something and we're. going to get something afterwards, but. if they're just doing it for no reason, I don't like it. Anyway, go on. >> But yeah, he was all drunk and you know, uh, he put me in a headlock like this. and I'm like, "Dude, stop." You know, I'm not in the mood. And he [ __ ]. squeezed harder. So I'm like, "Dude, stop." And and then I'm like, "Fuck it.". I just start hitting him and I'm hitting. him like this and we kind of break up. and then uh like I'm sitting there on.

the couch and he kind of tries to go at. me and my brother is like right there. He's like, "That's my little brother. You're not going to [ __ ] with him." And. Kevin tries to get up off the couch. Every time Kevin got up, my brother. grabbed him by the face and sat him back. down. So then Kevin swung at my brother. and uh they started fighting and they. they were going from one end of the. house to the other and I was moving. furniture and everything. I was like, you know, cuz they're going to tear my. mom's house up. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Dude, when a bad fight. happens, you got to get the shift robe.

out of there. >> Yeah, >> that's the first rule. You better move. that dinner table. >> That all that. And then they'd go I'd. move that and then they'd go to another. room. Anyways, they knocked my Xbox. clean over. those little AV cables stuck. right in the TV and broke off and you. know I'm like damn it I can't play my. game anymore. So they ended up Kevin. ended up on top of my brother like this. and just hitting him and I watched my. brother's eyes close and his head just. started I'm like dude he's done like. he's done he's knocked out and he kept. hitting him. >> and so I just picked up this full 22.

ounce steel reserve and I hit Kevin in. the head and I I knocked him and the. bottle didn't break. It just went and. then he's going. And then they're both sitting there. laying there knocked out on top of each. other. And uh my my brother woke up and. he said, "What? What did you do? You. killed him." And then uh. >> Did you think you killed him? >> I don't I know. I heard him. He was. snoring and grunting. And then uh. >> crazy. >> Yeah. And then so my brother woke up.

He's like, "You [ __ ] killed him." And. uh and I'm like, "Dude, this is crazy.". And and then Kevin woke up and he's all. disoriented and he's like he's like, "What the fuck?" He's like, "What the. [ __ ] was I doing?" And then he sees my. brother and he's like, "I was kicking. your ass." And they just went right back. at it. Dude, I got the hell out of. there. I was like, "Fuck, you guys can. [ __ ] kill each other. I don't care.". So, one of my friends picked me up. We. went down to uh over to my friend. Benji's house or whatever. But then. Kevin, he [ __ ] left my house uh that.

night from my mom's place in Muer all. the way to his place out out on like. stage road or something uh or nickel. plate, I can't remember. But it was a. long ass walk, seven miles in the. blizzard. And he [ __ ] he walked all. the way there and one of his shoes and. one of my brother's shoes. And then uh. and he called me. I you know I got to. where I was and I went to sleep and then. 5:00 in the morning I got a call from. Kevin. And then uh he just says I'm like. [ __ ] I answer it. It was his dad's home. phone. Hello. And he just says wait.

until I find you little [ __ ] I'm going. to beat your head into an oblivion. And. he hung up. Like god damn it. Now. Kevin's going to beat me up. And then. the next. >> he holds a grudge, huh? >> Oh, he was nuts, dude. And then uh the. next morning he called me. He said, "Bro, I'm sorry. Let's go skate." And. then I met him down at the skate spot. and he had a big old [ __ ] goose egg. like that sticking off his bald ass head. cuz he just had his head shaved cuz he. just went to boot camp. >> Oh [ __ ] And everything. >> Is it like was it big like like. sometimes people get hit in the head and. then it looks like they're like growing. another head guy. >> It was like a cartoon [ __ ] It was like.

a you know big ass [ __ ] goose egg. right there. You know, like one of them. uh I don't know on Looney Tunes or. something. >> Oh yeah, dude. Or like that power slap. You ever seen that power slap thing? >> Oh my Why do people do that, dude? >> Dude, I don't know. >> Have you been to one? >> Oh yeah, I've been there, dude. I've. been there. It's it's it's like it's I. mean it's. >> that to me that just seems so. like. >> dude the craziest part of it to me well. first of all one time this guy had this. big uh like he'd almost like sprouted. another head kind of like like he was.

looking like he was going to be on Abby. and Britney. >> you know or like some like you know like. a conjoined twins TLC type of thing you. know. >> and then somebody and then he yeah it. looked like he was like sprouting. another head and somebody had drawn. another face on this big thing that was. growing out. So that was pretty dope, dude. One time I saw a guy after the. fights, he was in the carpool line. I'm. like, dude, you just you were just like. slapping like like I don't know if. you're safe to just get into it into an. Uber or whatever, you know?

>> It was bananas, dude. But those people. really love it. I think the thing about. it is like this one thing I learned. about some sports, we may look at it. like it seems insane, but it's just if. somebody likes it. >> Yeah. There's that one new one where. it's like people from Tonga or whatever. or people from Hawaii are just running. at each other and hitting and like. running right into each other. Have you. seen that one? >> Dude, you know what I'm talking about, Trevan? >> Yeah. It's just like it's kind of like.

speed dating, I guess. >> Well, it's like. >> it's like Well, it kind of reminds me of. like jousting, I guess, right? >> Yeah. I mean, new sport unlocked. >> Yeah, this is what it is. Oh my god. He's like Ram man from Master. of the of the Universe. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, dude. This is the sport. >> I mean, that's like them Rams, them big. goats when they headbutt each other. Yeah. >> That's what these boys are doing.

>> And it's like, bro, and they have women. doing it, too. But this is just what I. started to realize was like to the. competitors, it's a sport. >> So, it's like that's where I kind of. started to meet sports. It's like some. things I'm like ah cuz at first for UFC. I was like some of this I don't know if. I like but now it's my favorite cuz I. realized those people they just it's. their thing. >> Well yeah I mean and I feel like there's. at least uh you can defend yourself. You're not just sitting there being like. okay hit me as hard as you can getting. like brain injuries, you know, or what's.

that like CTE or whatever. >> Yeah, CTE. Everybody's got it, I guess. Or some people have it. >> Yeah, >> I don't know. >> Yeah. No, I mean I like UFC. I I um I. think it's just it's a. it's like an ancient I mean combat is an. you know nature's violent I I think and. it's like handtoh hand combat is like. one of the oldest things there is. It's. the most like. you know kind of like natural thing you. can do say sometimes even though you. know I'm not like all about violence or.

whatever but I'm just saying like. >> no it's human it's a great sport you. know history it's kind of like. >> yeah what's what's more sport than two. men like you know or women or just two. people like going after each other and. trying to kick each other's ass you. know. >> Yeah. It says here wrestling is. generally considered the oldest hand to. hand combat sport. Grappling is a near. universal human practice and predates. written history. The earliest surviving. depictions of organized wrestling date. to ancient Egypt around 20.

>> I reckon it's sort of like them. gladiators or something you know. >> Oh yeah, bro. >> Like a modern-day version of that. >> Yeah, dude. And then, you know, it's not. always, I mean, these people get hurt. and sometimes, you know, there's crazy. bloody brawls like, you know, Forest. Griffin, Stefan Bonner kind of fights, but then there's like I saw you at the. at the Patty fight on TV. They showed. you a little bit. I was watching that. >> Oh, you were? >> Yeah. You like choked that guy out in. like minutes. Everybody's okay. >> Yeah. >> You know? >> Yeah. There was quick That was just like.

Kevin Clayton trying to do it to you on. the couch, man. We've all got our own. like, you know what I'm saying? We all. have like our own moment of attachment. to little things, dude. Um, but no, dude, the craziest thing about the Patty. thing was. >> so usually the fighters come into the. ring, they have about a one minute in or. like probably a 30 second walk and then. there's like 30 seconds by the cage. where they're checking them to make sure. that they don't have any knives or. whatever and then they let him go in. >> Yeah. >> But for Patty, they had to go, I. believe, anyway, they had to go to a.

commercial break for Paramount. So he. just had like 3 minutes in the ring with. his music. >> and they I'd never seen that before. So. he just starts like just doing the uh. he's got the whole place doing the Batty. Daddy. >> and uh and the place just it turned into. like kind of a rave. It like. >> Oh yeah, >> that was the energy it needed. So by the. time his fight started in a way I think. even if you were a fan of Benwa Saint. Deni, you were suddenly a Patty fan just. cuz you've been doing his move, you. know? >> And he's vibing also, man. It was so.

dope. >> That is such a what a what a hos like to. just be in that sort of mindset before. like you know you're going to. >> fight just to be like dancing and happy. and hyped like you know back when I was. in high school or whatever and I was. getting into fights. It was always a lot. better if it just popped off all of a. sudden and I wasn't expecting it. The. couple times where I was like okay meet. me down here and we're driving down. there and I know I'm going to get in a. fight soon. That was like the worst. It's like the adrenaline and just it was.

like, you know, it's like terrifying. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you know you're going to get into it. soon and that. >> Yeah. You're building up. It's all this. extra energy and then you're like you. Yeah. People are giving you strategy or. whatever. >> Goes away once you get hit in the face. >> Yeah. Yeah. Dude, some guy in a. wheelchair kept giving me strategy at a. fight. And I'm like, that's fine, dude. But it's like, you know what I'm saying? I'm I'm happy to listen to you, but now. it's just like it was just too much at. that moment. I was just like, God, this. seems like not the best omen. Um, >> you know, my brother, dude, I was. watching a fight with him. Who's that.

guy? Uh, >> oh, I don't I shouldn't say this. He. He'll kick my ass. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> We cannot say it. >> My brother. My brother said like that Kazmat guy or. whatever. >> Oh, Hamza Kimay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was watching a fight with him and my. brother's like, "That [ __ ] looks. like the Nutcracker." I was like, "Holy. [ __ ] dude. >> Bring it up.". >> That's pretty badass. >> Oh, wait. You know who I think it's. Islam. Maybe looks a little Let me see. Oh, he I think he has a nutcracker type. of beard.

>> Yeah, >> Sean Strickland will protect us, dude, if things get bad. But he does. That is. kind of a nutcracker type of beard. Um, dude, you were talking about uh you were. talking about. uh Oh, what happened to Kevin Clayton? >> Uh, he ODed. He he was a you know, he. struggled a lot with with substance. abuse. He he was into heroin and all. sorts of [ __ ] man. Around that time, it. was like, you know, meth was really kind.

of tearing everything up. There was a. big uh epidemic really. And then that. oxycottton, too. Everybody was robbing. each other's grandmas and [ __ ] and, you. know, their own family members and stuff. just to get them pills and and uh yeah, Kevin, he got into that stuff real bad. And I remember he was texting me too and. and sending me messages online rather. and saying, "Man, I" He knew it was. coming. He was like, "I'm losing. control." And I was like, "Bro, you. gotta you're the only one that can put.

your hands on the wheel and steer. yourself out of this, you know." And. he's like, "I can't, you know." And not. much longer after that, I heard that he. ODed. He just his uh stepmom found him. in the bathroom like foaming at the. mouth and [ __ ] And. >> it was terrible, man. But he was also, man, he was a great skateboarder. He was. just fearless. um he would fling himself. down these huge stair sets and not give. a [ __ ] if he got hurt. He was he was. just one of the nuttiest people I ever I. ever met. And um like I remember he got. out of prison for like a couple years. and he grabbed my heart my my skateboard.

and did like a switch hard flip first. try. I was like you haven't skated in. like years and you just did a switch. hard flip first try like what you know. he's just he's crazy man. Everybody. around Ionia that grew up in those years. like he's sort of a legend you know. Oh. yeah, >> dude. There's something amazing about. being like a local legend, dude. Like we. had a white guy that could dance in our. area and people and you knew his name. for like 40 miles, dude. >> And it was legendary, dude. This guy.

Wes, I'm not going to say his last name. just to protect his anonymity cuz uh but. yeah, dude, he was just like he was a. legend. When you were growing up, that's. all you want to be. And like you maybe. go to one high school football game and. he would come out with the band and he. was like the white guy and they gave him. like this magic stick, you know, like. this like. >> baton thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Baton, dude. But it was like. the king baton. It wasn't like the one. that like there was always that one girl. in band who threw it up in the air and. she had on like this really thick. glasses and you were like that [ __ ] is. going to [ __ ] you know what I'm. saying? That thing's going to take.

somebody's [ __ ] wig off. You know, but uh but he but he had like the. biggest baton. He would come out and he. would just take it to another level, bro. And it was like I don't know. You. need heroes like that. You need like. local legends. You need like like Yeah. You need legends like that just to build. hype to be like I want to be like that. or just create stories in town. That was. always the best, dude. >> Yeah. >> We had uh Oh, did all those smoothies? >> Let's bring them in. >> We could do a cheers actually to Kevin,

man. >> Hell yeah. >> That's the greenest one they had. >> Oh yeah. Thank you. That's Grand Rapids Green, man. >> Hell yeah. >> Thanks, dude. >> You guys good? >> To a toast, man. Yeah. >> To Kevin, bro. Kevin Clayton, bro. >> Yep. >> Yeah, dude. We had I'm trying to think. Oh, I remember they had a guy in our. town. He was probably when we were kids, he was probably like 30. And he would.

ride on he had a bicycle, but he it had. a baby seat on the back. >> Wow. >> Right. And it was empty. and. >> he was always riding around and and. later on I found out he was um he had. like a he had like some mental. irregularities or whatever, but he um. when we were kids, somebody said that he. was uh he had married a man and that his. husband he had married a very small man. and his husband had passed away. And so. he'd ride around like just on this bike. with this baby seat on the back and. that's where his husband used to sit. And so we were kids. It was just this.

lore and it was like, "Oh man, that's a. gay, like a gay gentleman that lost his. husband or whatever." And it was like. this kind of like kind of romantic sad. sort of thing. And he would kind of pull. up and he'd always be in the distance of. like all the ball games and everything. >> Whoa. >> He'd just be in the distance. He'd be. like 40 yards away from everything. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> In fact, if he had a memoir, I'd call it. 40 yards away from everything. >> Wow. >> And he would kind of sit over there and. people would be like, "Dude, his husband. passed away." years later, we find out. it was like a kind of like a mentally. like a guy who had like some mental. issues or whatever and his mom had.

gotten him a bike and she just gotten. him a bike that still had a baby seat on. it. >> But when you're a kid, you know what I'm. saying? There's just like everything can. have a little bit of magic in it, you. know? Oh, yeah. >> And like it's like it's so exciting. Um, >> you ever hear about this guy called. Moleman? >> Mole Man. >> He's in like Pennsylvania or something. No, >> I never seen him. What's he you know. him? >> No, I don't know him. But dude, it's. like this cat. He's like lived with his parents and he. just has been collecting like I don't.

know stuff forever and and and he's been. building these like structures out in. his mom's like backyard like in the. there's like a documentary about him and. he's like built these tunnels and like. all these like little house structures. and stuff and he just lives out there. and so I don't remember how long I don't. know how long ago the documentary was. made but in the in the film they were. kind of worried about like what was. going to happen to this cat when and his. mom passes away and is the people. somebody going to take his property or. how's he going to. >> keep doing this? But he's the inherit.

>> Yeah. Like man, he's a he's a wild cat. You ought to watch this film. >> Moleman. >> Moleman. Dude, he's you know that's a. local legend right there around his area. for sure. >> Everybody's got to know about the Mole. Man, >> dude. Moleman. Let me see another gander. at him. Oh, hell yeah. >> Oh yeah. He kind of has he looks like he. who took a hit off a cigarette forever. You know what I'm saying? >> [ __ ] yeah. Moleman, that would probably. be interesting person maybe to go talk.

to, too. >> Yeah, dude. You should try to link up. with Moleman and see what see what he's. all about. But he's he's he's built like. several houses and what just in the. backyard like and he'll just go say. somebody's like tearing down their. house, he'll go and grab like some of. the window sills and some of the old. drywall and [ __ ] and he'll take it over. to his place and he just stacks. everything up. I don't even think it's. like nailed together. See, it's just. it's just [ __ ] all stacked up. Yeah. >> Damn. That's just figuring it out.

>> Yeah. He's a. >> I guess ever since he was a little kid, he just like building stuff like that. It looks like one sneeze would [ __ ]. remodel that thing though. You know what. I'm saying? Dude, one afternoon of. allergies and he's he's going to be. living in a studio, bro. That's wild. looking though. But just like it almost. is like dude, I was just going to say. it's almost like a be it's almost like a. beaver like just collecting things like. a bird that makes a nest. Dude, when you. see some of these bird nests, they go in. there and there's like all these little. things that the bird has found from.

around the community that they just put. in there. Like at my house out the back window. there's a lot of uh like wildlife. We. have this little pond and so there's. ducks and geese and they're always. getting into it and uh groundhogs and we. got this little muskrat that swims. across the he's always got a big piece. of grass in his mouth and he swims. across the pond. He's cool as hell. But. yesterday I was hanging out with my dad. playing guitars and we saw two of them. [ __ ] uh affiliated woodpeckers flying. across the, you know, right there and.

they went up on this tree and they were. both doing that [ __ ] Was like, who are. they affiliated with? >> Oh, they were and what what does that. mean affiliated? >> I don't know. I think they're probably. in like the. >> like a duet. >> They're like the in the cartel or. something, I reckon. >> Oh, that could be the damn new Brooks. and Dunn, dude. Yeah, >> that could be Dan and Shay. Who even. knows what's going on anymore? >> Yeah. And they're just. >> Wait, do they do that? They come in. pairs. >> I think it was a male and female.

>> Oh, a couple. >> Yeah. >> Oh, she probably wanted to go on. vacation or something and he probably. didn't want to take her. >> Yeah, they were up there getting all. them larve out of them out of that bark. >> Oh, it says right here. Yes. Pidiate. Pidiad. Woodpeckers mate for life. They. form permanent monogous pair bonds and. stay together year round in fixed home. territories that they def that they. defend from other woodpeckers. If one. partner dies, the surviving bird will. find a new mate. You can learn more.

about their habits via the Cornell Lab. of Ornanthology. >> Holy [ __ ] So, man, that's crazy when. animals do that [ __ ] I saw something. the other day where a fox, it's like. something about like if a female fox. dies, the her old man will just like not. ever like get another lady. >> Huh. >> He's like he's just going to mourn his. babe forever. >> That's honorable, huh? >> Yeah. But if like the male dies, the. chick's just like, "Ah, [ __ ] him.

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You know, a couple friends that I was. close to committed suicide and then a. lot of people were kind of hauled off to. prison. So that's where, you know, a lot. of the folks that I were friends with. and and loved and stuff, they that's. like the three ways that they would. mostly leave. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Was there was there a funeral that you. remember going to? Like you remember the. first funeral you ever went to? >> Yeah, my grandpa's funeral I think was. the first one at least that I remember.

Um, >> were you like surprised that people? Like I remember I went to a funeral for. the first time and even though I had. known like like we we knew that my. friend's brother had passed away but. when I went to the funeral I didn't re I. don't think I really registered it like. >> and then we went to the funeral and like. um it was like oh and it was just like. so it was I don't know. >> Yeah. I remember thinking it. >> was so much it was so much dude. I was. balling, dude. And I just wanted to like. my tear like I was like it wasn't even.

my family, but it was just like so crazy. to think that like this part of that. that that's part of it. >> Yeah. >> And I I I remember wanting to be my. tears. My tears were like going into the. cracks in the [ __ ] floor and I was. like, God, that's I just want to. >> crawl down in there. >> It Well, it just feels like it's so like. I don't know. I was just like it's it. hurts already the fact that you're going. to not have to be here one day. something about it already hurts. >> I think that's how I felt like when I. was young, for sure.

>> Yeah, it's it's tough to think about. I. mean, nobody. >> nobody wants that. >> Um, but it's kind of the only thing you can. count on really. Yeah. I remember. thinking it was really like for it was. first time I saw a dead body I think was. my grandpa's and I remember like I think. my aunt maybe my grandma and stuff was. like you know kissing him and stuff and. I remember just kind of being like. weirded out by that like whoa you know.

they're like kissing that dead my dead. grandpa's body like. >> I was a freak. >> yeah I mean I would I'd be like damn I. didn't know that was possible. Damn, he. must have really had it. >> Yeah. No, he was he was badass, man. >> Oh, if somebody's Yeah, I think Yeah, if. I'm laying there, I want some my my. friends to come up and tickle me or do. some little things like that, you know? >> Maybe sneak a pill under my tongue or. something or give me one hit of LSD at. that point. >> Yeah.

>> Cuz if I die sober, man, then I that's. what I want. And I don't know if that's. crazy to announce whatever, but yeah, if. you come to if you come to my funeral, you're welcome to slide a little hit of. the Sud under me, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Help you with, you know, good journey. >> Yeah. Good luck out there, brother. >> Yeah. >> Let's make it Hey, make it rip, bro. >> Um, dude, you had your How's your leg? How's the leg going on? I know everybody. asks you, so. >> it's great. Um, yeah, I mean, it's it's. healing up pretty good. I've been doing. lots of physical therapy and [ __ ] Last.

time I saw you, I was on crutches. Now. I'm just kind of rocking this this guy. >> Hell yeah. That cane, baby. >> Yeah. >> Billy Wonka, dude. That [ __ ] is hype. >> This is. >> Your wife got you that? >> Yeah, cuz this is the cane that uh. Lawrence Talbot had on the original 1941. uh Universal. Motion Pictures, The Wolf Man. and. Lawrence uh Larry Talbot in the.

beginning of the film he's working on. his dad's telescope. He just comes back. to to England or wherever they're at and. he's working on the telescope and then. he, you know, comes over and he sees. this girl in her window and she's. putting on her earrings and stuff. He's. peeping toming that [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then uh so he sees her and and then. he realizes she works at the antique. shop. So, he goes over there and he's. like trying to talk to her and then he. he really doesn't know what he's looking. for. She's like, "Well, what are you.

looking for?" And uh he said, "Well, what I'm really looking for is a walking. stick." And he picks this one up. He's. like, "This one's pretty cool. It's got. a a dog on it." And she's like, "That's. a wolf." And uh so he goes out on a. double date with this chick with her. friend Jenny and she sees this uh. fortune teller in the woods that's. actually played by Baya Losce, who was. like the original Dracula. >> Oh yeah, bro. And uh. >> Lagosi was like that. >> Yeah. >> The wolf man this is called. >> Yeah man. >> And he was a peeping tongue.

>> Ron Cheney. Yeah. Hell yeah. >> Hell yeah, dude. >> That's how he found his girl. And then. uh but anyways, that that fortune teller. sees Jenny in the woods and he's looking. at her palm. He's reading her palm and. he sees this symbol, that star with a. circle in it. >> And then he's like, "You guys got to. dip." like, you know, cuz he he that's. what happens is the wolf man sees that. symbol in the palm of his next victim. and um so then you know they're they.

scadaddle and then all of a sudden you. start hearing these big howls and [ __ ]. and this wolf is attacking Jenny and. Larry beats the [ __ ] out of that wolf. with this cane cuz it's got a silver. head on it. >> Silver bullets, you know, silver can. kill a wolf, a werewolf. And then he. goes home. He gets bit in the process. and he goes home. The the old lady drops. him off and then, you know, they the. cops show up and he's like, "Man, you. know, the fortune teller was found dead. in the woods." And he's like, "I'm. telling you, I killed a plain old.

ordinary wolf.". And uh so yeah, anyways, this is the. Larry Talbot Cane. I'm a big fan of all. those old monster movies. Like my dad. used to watch them with me when I was a. kid. >> Yeah. And I just I was really fascinated. with the wolf man when I was little. Like I wouldn't go outside if there was. a full moon. >> Really? >> Yeah. Cuz I knew he was out there, dude. Just lurking on his tippy toes. >> with them fangs. >> Yeah. And and. >> dude, being scared as a kid, bro.

Remember how scary it was? When you. think of how scary it was when you were. scared of something as a kid, dude. The. dark, bro. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> bro. Under a bed. Get out of here, bro. >> Yeah, monsters in the closet or. something or you think something's that. some shadows. You see the um like when. it was night time and we were driving in. the car with my parents and stuff and I. was looking out the window. We'd be. driving past a forest and I used to call. them wolf assist trees cuz I like I knew. the wolf was out there and like in the.

movie he's like looking behind these. trees and [ __ ] and they're all like oily. black and like I just always whenever I. saw like the woods at night I was just. like I knew the wolf man was out there. I believed in him. Yeah. >> Oh, dude. I remember thinking that like. I would have Oh, that's him. >> Yeah, that's Lon Cheney. Lon Cheney Jr. >> Damn, he's like that. He looks like he. used to play for the Minnesota Vikings a. little bit like my buddy Steve Sler. He's got that look, bro. I remember we.

would watch those J. We watch Friday the. 13th movies. >> with our older brothers and then our. older brothers would just go dip and do. some [ __ ] and just leave the younger. brothers al like the craziest thing you. can do is watch a scary movie with your. younger brother and then just dip. because that kid is [ __ ] scared out. of his ankles, bro. I remember me and my. friend William just sitting there. We. sat back to back, dude. We were so. scared and we stayed up for as long as. we could. Yeah,

>> we put every light in the house on. except the one in my mom's bedroom. And. then we put a towel in front of her door. so the light wouldn't go in there. >> And we had we were like, "We are not. losing this plate." Like just everything. was [ __ ] traumatic, dude. And you'd. hear a car go by and you'd be like, "That's Freddy Krueger." It would always. be something that was so intense, bro. My dad when I was uh when I was little. there was one night cuz I he you know. he's the one that showed me the wolf man. and [ __ ] when I was. >> I don't even know [ __ ] five six.

>> and uh. >> yeah and so I remember there was one. night where I was I was up in my room. and I was playing with toy cars and I. was probably supposed to be asleep and I. probably had you know school the next. morning or something but I was in there. playing with my toy cars and [ __ ] and my. dad had this wolf mask and he went. outside and I had a window that went off. to the back porch and he, you know, I'm. sitting there playing with my tour cars. and I I heard a noise and I like looked. around and I was like, "What the [ __ ]. was that?" And I'm like, "Huh?" You.

know, and I went back to playing and. then I heard clearly a scratch on the. screen of the window and I looked up, dude, and I saw he was wearing that wolf. mask and it [ __ ] Dude, I freaked. >> Your dad did that? >> Yeah. He scared the living [ __ ] out of. me. And I uh I ran out of my room like. down the hallway. We lived in this. little trailer. >> Did you know it was him? >> Hell no. I mean, I thought it was the. wolf, you know. And uh I ran and I ran. like I jumped from like the hallway all.

the way over to my mom who was laying on. the couch and I just landed right on top. of her. I was screaming, crying. My dad. came in the back door just laughing. He's like, "It's a mask. It's a mask.". You know, >> and I'm just like, dude, I Man, it must. have been funny, but why would you do. that? >> So scary, dude. >> He still talks about it, >> bro. Yeah, I guess. But I guess Yeah, maybe. Look, dude. Maybe you're like, I'm going to scare the [ __ ] out of this. [ __ ] kid. You know what I'm saying? Who knows what parents think cuz all you. have to do is have two beers and be.

like, "Hey, I think I'm going to scare. my kid." And the next thing you know, you're doing it. >> Yeah. Or maybe it's like. >> he's he's supposed to be in bed, but. he's in there playing with his toy cars. I'm going to go, you know. >> Oh, dude. >> Yeah. But dude, he just scratched on. that that metal screen and I'm like I. heard it the first time and I was like, "What the [ __ ] was that?" And then. second time and he like moved into the. light with that mask, dude. It's I was. so terrified. God, dude. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, dude. They We had uh we called. they called it like haunt. People would.

go haunting in our area and it was that. was like peeping times. They had a lot. of peep and times in our area. >> So you'd see people out there almost on. the circuit or whatever. Like people. would like hit like it was just like a. lot of peep and times, you know, they. busted a lot of dudes in our area. They. had a lot of pedophiles in our area. because they used to have this this law. where if you was a pedophile um and you. might I don't know if you believe in. them or not. I believe in them. >> Believe in what? Pedophile. >> Yeah. >> Like do I believe they're real? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm pretty sure they're real.

>> Okay. All right. Same. Unfortunately. >> Same. Yeah. But the problem was, dude, uh they would have to come to your door. They had a law. If they moved into the. neighborhood, they had to come to your. door. But all of our moms worked in our. neighborhood. Like, you know what I'm. saying? Like a lot of it was a lot of. single parent families and the moms. worked. >> So, you'd have a pedophile would come to. the door and like, "Hey, I have to let. you guys know I'm a pedophile.". >> Oh, yeah. >> And it would just be us kids answering. the door. Like, it was the worst. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> It was the worst idea, >> man. >> That they'd ever come up with, dude.

Because we I I remember three different. pedophiles or p files, people call them. cuz if they're in a hurry or whatever, but I remember three different piles. would come and be like, "Hey, I'm a I've. just have to let you know that I'm. registered and that I'm in the in the. neighborhood." And we're like, and we'd. just be standing there, dude. Just kids. like, >> well, I reckon that was like, you know, probably the early days of the internet. and stuff and long before that like. database. >> Oh, for sure. This is just when Yeah. >> So that's what they had to do is they. had to go kind of out themselves. Yeah. Well, >> they had to organize them cuz before.

that they were just working freelance or. whatever, I guess, you know, before. they, you know, had them all registered. up. But, um, anyway, let's change the. subject. Uh, yeah. Do So, what happened? Take me through the an uh take me. through a little bit of the of the. injury. So, are you is it better now, would you say? >> Uh, yeah, it's definitely getting there. I mean, it's it's stiff and it hurts a. little bit, but yeah, I was just man, I. I grew up skateboarding and it's always. been one of my major loves, you know, outside of music. And um.

I think, you know, the last little bit. I've been playing a lot more music than. skating. Uh but I was on tour. and I was skating a fair amount. I. remember we went through Tampa and I. went through the skate park of Tampa. there. Dude, I've been there. >> Yeah, >> that indoor building. >> Yeah, >> bro. That place is bring that place up. >> What's it called? >> Skate park of Tampa. >> Dude, this was one of the neatest. things, bro. Thank you so much for. reminding me about that today. They let. us just come and watch one day and watch.

all the guys skating. >> Yeah. Yeah. They have a big contest. every year, Tampa Pro. And when I went. this last time, all the pros were there. warming up and [ __ ] Yeah. It was. gnarly. It was cool to go see him skate, but I was skating and, you know, I don't. know. And like in these arenas that we. play, I mean, you know, it's like you. get to the back door sometimes like just. the walk to the green room is like a far. ass walk, right? >> Oh yeah, dude. Sometimes you have to. stop and even get a snack. >> Yeah. So I had been using my skate like.

I would get off the bus and I would just. bring my skateboard and I would like. slap down. Also, the concrete's always. so smooth in there. >> Yeah, it is pretty slick and a lot of. the concrete in those places is kind of. slick. >> Yeah. So, it's really nice on a. skateboard. Super smooth. So, I could. just like push twice and like be all the. way around the whole arena and like, you. know, into my green room or whatever. But I, you know, I'd been skating a. bunch. Uh, and.

we finished this show in uh. Charlottesville. I think it's the John Paul Jones Arena. And. >> Dude, that's a great spot. >> Yeah. >> Been there. >> Yeah. So, we finished there. >> That town is great. >> That's where UVA is. >> Yeah. And yeah, I was lucky that I broke. my leg there. They had a great um. medical team there, you know, like that. the hospitals are great there. And uh. >> Oh, yeah. You break that [ __ ] up in. Syracuse or something. They'll just wish. that [ __ ] was better, you know? I mean, it can get kind of risque.

>> It was crazy. So, like I mean, it was. really weird. I was all excited after my. gig. We just finished the last song. It. was this big hide-and-seek jam and we. just spanked the crowd and uh and I was. all excited. I had all this adrenaline. from the show and I my board was sitting. there. We walked off stage. We're. getting ready to do an encore and so I. just grabbed my board. I did like a. couple bonuses and then um I went out. just right backstage and I just kind of.

flung this back 180 and that's like it's. a go-to trick for me. I've done it. millions of times and I've never broke. my leg, you know? And but the thing is. is like I wasn't like focused and I. wasn't really skating. I was just like. flinging tricks and I wasn't like. thinking about it and so and it was dark. and I had brand new like sticky shoes on. and so it was weird like I did this back. 180 and I kind of slipped out and then. when I put my foot down my body kept. spinning and I sort of like sat on my.

foot and and my my shoes were brand new. so like there the bottoms was sticky and. it just when I put my foot down my toe. stayed right where it was and the rest. of my body kept moving. So, I just heard. it snap. >> Nah-uh. >> Oh, dude. Yeah. I could hear it over the. crowd like screaming and it was just I. mean it sound like a 2x4 snapping in. half. And I'm laying on the ground and. my guitar tech comes up, Toby. He says, "Dude, get up." And I'm like, "I just. broke my leg." And he's like, "Nah." I'm. like, "Look at it. It's [ __ ] It's.

pointed 90° to the left.". >> Yeah. >> And he's like, "Oh shit." And so I laid. there for a minute and uh nobody was. like moving me or anything, so I'm like, "Fuck it." I just got up. I lieutenant. Dan my ass out of there, you know. I. just scooted on my ass back behind the. curtain. They came, they cut my pant leg. up. >> Could you tell it was broken? >> Oh, I knew it was broken immediately. I. mean, I heard it. It's like And the fact. that it was like pointed the wrong way, I was like, "Yeah, my leg is [ __ ]. broken.". >> Did you try to fix it yourself at all? >> No. No, I didn't [ __ ] with it. Um, but I.

I scooted out of there and then the the. medic came and he kind of cut my pant. leg up and they took me and they put me. on this stretcher and then I called my. wife and I'm like, "Yeah, I just broke. my leg." She's like, "What?" You know, I'm like, "I was [ __ ] around on my. skateboard, you know, and [ __ ]. slipped out and somehow I broke my leg.". Um, and all the like pros I've talked to. and stuff, they're like even Tony Hawk, Jamie Thomas, all these cats, they're. just like, "Man, that's how it happens. is like some stupid little trick." like. it's always like some dumb thing. Um but.

so I'm sitting on the stretcher and the. guy comes up and he's like we're going. to give you some fentanyl. I was like no. like I was like no like don't you know. how far I've come? >> Yeah. You know I was like fentanyl like. you know and he's like and you know one. of the guys was like dude the roads are. pretty bumpy around here. You're going. to want that. I was like all right [ __ ]. it. So they gave me fentanyl and IV. It. like took the edge off you know. >> Yeah. And at that point, I was starting. to like go into shock and I started.

sweating, but I was freezing and uh it. started to hurt cuz it didn't even hurt. when it happened. It just I heard it and. I knew it was broken, but I had so much. adrenaline. Didn't even [ __ ] hurt. That's wild, dude. Was that a pretty. just That whole experience has got to be. pretty wild because like. >> it adrenaline is just like a crazy drug. that God gives you, but you can't just. get it whenever you want. >> Yeah, it was it was wild. I mean, I knew. my leg was broken. And it just I. couldn't even feel it at first. I just. my leg was pointed sideways and I'm. like, "Oh man, it's busted." But it.

didn't like hurt until that adrenaline. started to wear off and then it was. like, "Oh." And then it kind of started. coming. I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] here it. comes." And then they gave me that. fentanyl. >> They hit you with an IV. >> Yeah. And they were doing that and. morphine back to back. Um fentanyl would. work better, but it only lasts like 10. minutes, you know? >> Damn. >> And then the morphine would like last. longer, but it didn't help as much. But. then so they got me there and they they. gave me a red carpet, man. It was like, you know, we got a uh.

>> You got a police escort? >> Yeah, police escort, you know. They're. like, "We got a high-profile patient, you know." And so they, man, I they. brought me in this back door. They. closed off the hallways. There was. nobody in there. They wheeled me right. into the X-rays immediately. It was. [ __ ] cool. And then uh. >> Did it feel like a movie kind of? >> Yeah. I mean, it was just nice that I. didn't have to sit there with a broken. leg in the emergency room forever, you. know? >> Oh, yeah. For sure. >> And [ __ ]. >> Oh, yeah. getting a little bit of. treatment. Yeah. Just to not just sit. out there and some other guy's coughing. on your [ __ ] leg or whatever. Somebody's [ __ ] Yeah.

>> Some guys using you to [ __ ] sleep on. your back and [ __ ] Bro, our healthcare. system is [ __ ] crazy, dude. >> Wow. >> Just people like like trying to heal. each other like religiously and [ __ ] in. the lobbies of a lot of these hospitals. It's just gotten crazy. >> Yeah. people rubbing pepper jack on each. other's [ __ ] necks and [ __ ] like and. just people just like thinking up [ __ ]. they can do because they got to wait. five or six hours to get in there to. even get a [ __ ] hug, you know? >> Yeah, totally. So, I was lucky to get in. there and they x-rayed it and stuff and.

I mean I can show you the x-rays. They're pretty pretty gnarly. >> I remember when I saw you in Austin, you. showed me a picture that was crazy. It. looked like they [ __ ] turned it into. a damn violin. >> Yeah, that was like. >> that that one you showed me. >> Well, that's Yeah. After they, you know, the surgery and stuff. There's one in. there like right after it happened um. before it was even set and splinted. where it looks really [ __ ] Um yeah, dude. Turn it into a viol dude. What if. you had a viol dude and you made it. wooden and you put some strings on the.

side of that bit? >> That metal bar in there could work as a. whammy bar if I ever get it taken out. >> That's what it looks like kind of. >> Yeah. But dude, the craziest part about. the whole thing was So I get in there. and we get it x-rayed. Yeah. That's the. one that looks really screwed. That that. was before it was set and splinted. So. it's what they call a distal tib fib. spiral fracture. >> Mhm. >> And it's it means like it's broken like. pretty close to my ankle, which made it. worse. If it was broken in the middle of. my leg, they could just put a rod down.

there, screw it, and like it'd be a lot. better. But because it was so close to. my ankle, it was it's a [ __ ] of a. surgery. like, you know, and so, but dude, they uh they x-rayed it and. they're like, "Okay, we're going to have. to set it and splint it before cuz I. don't I'm not going to get surgery till. the next morning." So, they had to get. it straight and then um and then put a. splint on it. And so, they needed me to. like not be in the room, but they. couldn't put me under anesthesia. So,

what they did is gave me this huge dose. of ketamine. And it was insane. It was. like one of the most like crazy. psychedelic experiences I've ever had. I. mean, they dropped me straight into a. khole. >> Really? And take me through some of. that. Take me through the khole. Was it. like was there a layover or was it just. straight there or was it direct flight? Like were you getting emails? >> Direct flight. I mean, it was a it was. immediately. everything just folded in on itself and. like language and everything kind of.

made up all these molecules and I could. still hear the doctors talking a little. bit but they were using now this alien. language that I couldn't understand and. I was frozen in this like white space. and time and I went down into this other. dimension. It was like when Matthew. McConna is trying to move the you know. book on the shelf. It was like I was. trapped behind layers of language and um. >> [ __ ] that's a good description, Billy. >> Yeah. And I was uh I was there and I. knew I was there, but I just there was.

nothing I could do. And it felt like I. turned into like computer code or like I. felt like I was the the microchip inside. of an iPod sending signals, but you. know, um. >> Bro, >> and it it was it was wild. I felt very. much like an inanimate object. Yes, dude. >> That's what it felt like, >> dude. Yeah. I felt like I was playing. hideand go seek, but I just I never told. with myself, but I never told myself. that we started the game. Like I felt. like I had [ __ ].

>> I felt like I would never find my shoes. again. That's what I felt like. And I. also remember feeling like I like I was. like something very small that had. fallen behind a piece of furniture. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, sorry. I just had like you were. making me dude that's some of those. thoughts you just had were freaking. bananas. >> Yeah. It was like I was stuck in this. frozen dimension and I just kind of was. like well I guess this is life now, you. know? I guess this is this is where I'm.

at. And it this sucks cuz I I think I'm. dead, you know? And I just was like, well [ __ ] And uh I was kind of like. well whatever. I guess I'm just there. was nothing I could do cuz I was. paralyzed in this state. >> Yeah, dude. I felt like you ever see. that ball in the back of your throat. kind of that's there. >> Yeah. >> But you just see like every once in a. while you kind of get a glimmer at it. through your whole life. >> Yeah. >> And Yeah. I felt kind of like that. I. felt like that but on like an animal. somewhere at a zoo that was had been. closed for almost 2,000 years. Right. >> That's what I felt like.

>> Yeah. Long forgotten. Um, >> I felt like I, you know, like these. sunglasses that are just sitting here, but nobody knows that they have a soul. and a brain, but they're just, >> they can't say or do anything because. they're just frozen in these glasses. But, you know what I mean? So, then when. I started to come back too, that was. hilarious, too, cuz I I guess I started. coming to there's this lady's face right. here and her face is all distorted and. she's talking to me in this alien. language and I looked at her, I'm like, "Who are you?" you know, and and and.

then I look over here and there's this. big tall man in a white shirt, and I was. like, "Uncle John?" And then uh I my my. wife said I was talking all sorts of. gibberish about like the inside of an. apple core and that like this has all. been predetermined, like this was all, you know, thought out and this was like. part of the plan, you know, everything. >> You had the wizard's tongue, they call. it. >> Yeah. Yeah. For a second there, I. thought I was. And then I was also. speaking complete gibberish, not saying. real words. >> Yeah. But that you got Yeah. But then uh.

that's [ __ ] dude. Welcome to New. Jersey. >> Yeah. The doctors were running around. doing a bunch of stuff to me and I just. like I was like. >> I didn't know what was going on and I. was like I thought they were aliens like. [ __ ] with me, you know, like trying. to probe me or something and I was like, "Fuck you.". >> Like I just told him that. I was like, >> "Get away from my ass, Whitey.". >> I was like, "I'm sorry, you know, I. didn't mean that, you know." And then uh. >> Oh yeah. There's nothing crazier than. being on drugs and being an [ __ ] and. apologizing at the same time, dude. >> Yes. >> Right away I was like, "Fuck you. I'm.

sorry, you know." And then they put this. thing on. Uh I mean, it's. >> you're the best, dude. >> The uh what do you call it for for your. blood pressure? >> Oh, yeah. That cuff. >> Yeah, that cuff. It fills up. So, I'm. laying there, I'm all [ __ ] up, and. that thing fills up and you know, probably because of my guns, that thing. popped right off, right? the Velcro came. undone and it went it goes pop off my. arm and I go my butt popped, you know,

and I just it felt like my butt cheeks. like blew up with air and then they. popped like a bubble and I was like a my. butt popped, >> you know. My wife was like trying not to. laugh, but I was saying some crazy [ __ ]. And then they uh they brought me. upstairs and I was in a lot of pain all. night long because they started giving. me like delotteds and and and. hydrocodone just orally and it wasn't. doing anything to the pain. I just laid. there and moaned and groaned all night. >> Dude, that but that seems crazy that. they and did they have to go over with.

your wife if they were going to give you. all that medication? Like who approves. that once you're kind of like. >> Yeah, my manager was there, my wife, my. security dude, you know. >> Okay. So, there were people there at. least like like keeping tabs on you. Yeah. >> Okay. Bet. >> Yeah. I think my uh my dude Jim, he rode. with me over there and then my manager. Yeah. You know Jim, >> dude, he's awesome, bro. >> He's a great guy. >> Yep. >> Then the next morning, they [ __ ] took. me down for surgery and they before they. gave me a nerve block, which was the.

best thing ever cuz it just it's like an. epidural for your leg. It just drenches. all the nerves in lidocaine. >> So, I didn't feel nothing then for the. first time since it happened. I was. like, "Oh, it just felt so good to not. feel it." Damn, you were like L&M in the. 2000s. You were like freaking Marshall, nothing matters. >> Yeah, >> you know, >> for sure. >> That's crazy, bro. >> And they gave me this one [ __ ] I can't. remember what it was called, but it had. me so chilled out. And then like God, dude, it sounds like it's this is kind. of the worst thing to say being in. recovery, but to [ __ ] say like, yeah,

using drugs like in a hospital like. under like proper care. >> Yeah, it was a freebie. >> Yeah, it was a freebie, dude. >> Yeah, it was. >> It really was. I mean, and I. >> except for the except for the I mean, I. sort of enjoyed the the ketamine, but it. was also terrifying cuz I thought I was. frozen in a [ __ ] horrible different. dimension, you know? >> Yeah. You're like, "Nobody's ever going. to come." Like, you know what I'm. saying? Yeah. You feel like. >> I thought my brain had fried and I, you. know, it was like you took a glass of. water and poured it on a television or.

something. It was like all the, you. know, my brain just fried. But man, the. the thing that they gave me right before. surgery, uh I don't know what it was, but it had me so chilling. And uh I was. finally just getting some rest and some. relief. And this and then my oxygen kept. going down. So my thing started beeping. So I'd start chilling like this and then. it go beep beep beep. And then this lady. would come in and say, "I need you to. take a big deep breath for me." I'm. like, you know, I take a deep breath and. then I chill a little bit and it goes. beep beep. And she's like, "I need you.

to breathe." And I'm like, "I am. breathing." you know, like just leave me. alone. Like, I'm [ __ ] chilling. finally, you know, and god, now that I'm. chilling, you're coming in here making. me breathe and [ __ ] cuz I guess I was so. chilled out I wasn't even breathing. I. was just. >> Oh yeah, that's one of those breath. diggers, dude. >> It was good. >> Like that just want to [ __ ] all they. care about is you filling your lungs up, dude. All those [ __ ] just those lung. diggers. Probably the smartest thing. that I did coming out of the hospital. was I gave all my pain meds to my wife.

and I said, "You divvy these up, you. know?". >> Yeah, >> you're in charge of this. Like, give me. my pills when I need them and stuff cuz. I know myself too well. I'd be like, "Oh, man. One of these is good. What? Wonder what two is like.". >> So then, uh, >> yeah, start hiding them or whatever. >> I'd [ __ ] start boofing them. I don't. care what. >> crush one up and snort it or something. Yeah, I snort it with my ass, brother. I. get it. You know what I'm saying? If I. had to like. >> Little parachute. >> If Yeah. What's it called? >> Little parachute.

>> Oh, yeah. Little parachute, bro. If. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I'd send somebody. behind enemy lines, you know. I' I'd. send one of them behind enemy lines for. sure. >> But yeah, I can't trust myself. Can't. trust myself. >> Yeah. I And I'm, you know, I've just. been around it a lot. And I know myself. I'm an addict. So I was like scared to, you know, be on that stuff anyways, but. I had to take out. They gave me. Delotted. And then I was on this uh what. is it called? Gabapentin was like the. nerve pain thing. And then there was.

another. >> I just saw a lawsuit about Gabapentan. You may be able to be be part of this. >> That [ __ ] gave me vertigo like a. [ __ ] It was crazy, dude. But. yeah, I weaned off it in like I weaned. off like everything in like two weeks. Um, and then I was just on like. ibuprofen and stuff and so it was. pretty. >> Two weeks. Two weeks is a long haul. Let's read it really quick. Is that new? >> Yeah. June. Is it related to dementia? >> Shut up. But but look, dude, I'm just. going to tell you just. >> because I'm telling you, this [ __ ] gave.

me vertigo, like weird brain [ __ ] to. where when I'm laying in bed and I roll. over like this, next thing you know I'm. spinning. You know how when you get way. too drunk and you're spinning and you. can't [ __ ] hold the, you know, that's. what it was doing to me, dude. And I. like the f one of the first times it. happened, I laid back in bed and I moved. my head like this and I was like that. cuz I thought the bed was falling down. into the floor. >> I thought I was gonna slide off the end. of it, you know? >> [ __ ] yeah. I know what you're talking. about, dude. When I was like 13 or. something, I [ __ ] um the dude left a. gravitron door open at our fair one time.

and my [ __ ] legs were hanging out of. that [ __ ] And dude, no joke, bro. I. walked sideways for probably almost 11. days after that, dude. I just like my. body just could not adjust to what was. going on. That thing would that thing. [ __ ] remixed my little ass. Um. there is currently no nationwide class. action lawsuit or multid-district. litigation uh for these cognitive. claims. The allegation lawsuits are. being investigated or filed individually. alleging that manufacturers failed to.

warn patients and doctors about. potential long-term neurocognitive. risks such as mild cognitive impairment. or dementia tied to repeated use for off. label conditions like back or neck pain. Anyway, I just that just passed through. my. >> um brainosphere the other day. You know, when the bathroom has two handicap. stalls so you don't feel so bad taking. one of them, or when you wear last. year's summer shorts for the first time. this season and find a $5 bill in the.

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shadow that has its own game plan or. something you know what I'm saying like. addiction is kind of a weird thing I. think a lot of people don't understand. it and I'm not saying that I understand. it totally right I know that I have. addiction I know that I struggle with. addiction but I think it's just. interesting to think about what it is. you know. >> yeah it's an illness I mean I think some. people are lucky enough not to have it I. Um, you know, people who can go out and. have a couple beers with their dinner or. a glass of wine with their steak or.

whatever. It's like, man. Yeah, that's. that's amazing. I wish I could do that, you know, cuz if I'm like, we need to. like get a bottle of whiskey and finish. it and, you know, we need to go on a. mission to get more after that's gone. >> Oh, dude, I'll [ __ ] I [ __ ] if I come. over to your house and you give me a. glass of wine, I'm gonna [ __ ] get an. eightball. I'm gonna sell I'll sell your. front porch on Etsy. Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? I'll sell all. your [ __ ] windows out of your house, you little. >> You want And I'm going to take that out. >> But uh. >> you want to know what's crazy is that. >> it just Yeah. It just not going to end.

well, dude. >> So after my mom died, um. and I was in Australia when I found out. that she died from an overdose. I was in. Australia on tour. I still had no idea. what happened. I was like, was it an. aneurysm, a heart attack? Like what the. hell happened? And then I got her. autopsy and her um her papers back and. it, you know, her her death certificate. and it said methamphetamine intoxication. was the cause of death. >> Like holy [ __ ] you know, and.

>> cuz that was a surprise. >> Yeah. Big time. I mean, and I I had no. idea that she was using again and stuff. >> So, it broke my heart. And, you know, I've been dealing with it. But soon as I. got back home from Australia, I went. straight over to her house and I went up. in her bedroom and I started digging. through [ __ ] and I found her stash, you. know, and I found all these, you know, pipes and, you know, little bags and. vials and stuff and all that [ __ ]. >> But dude, um, the the difference is like. this speed was different than the stuff.

I was used to. like back when I was. around that scene living in Ionia and. that it was that epidemic at that time. It was being cooked in this area and it. was like pseudafed like shake and bake. uh kind of country bumpkin sort of. crank. >> I knew you were talking about like just. like that homemade [ __ ] kind of. >> Yeah, it was like white powdery stuff. and you you know put it in a pipe or a. light bulb or a foil and. >> like jank them or whatever. >> Not exactly. >> Not exactly. But I know what you're. saying. But I'm just saying like it's. like a localized mixture. It's like a.

local recipe, but it got the job done. >> Anyways, this [ __ ] that I found after. she had died, when I found her stash, this was straight crystal um glass. And. I had never even seen [ __ ] like that. before, right? I had heard about it and. everybody's seen Breaking Bad and [ __ ]. but I'm looking at it. I got this vial. and it's like half full. And I'm like, damn. And it just looks like broken. glass in there, like shards. >> Really? >> Yeah. And I, you know, I'd never. >> Does it look anything like that? I just. We just brought up a picture here. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could also I. could send you the pictures of it, but.

um. dude, you want to know what the first thought. that went through my head was? Was like, man, I should just take a. little bit of this and put it aside for. like a rainy day. >> Yeah. >> You know, cuz I don't where the hell. else would I get some, you know? I don't. I don't know anybody anymore or. whatever. That's like that addict, you. know, coming through. It's like this. literally the stuff that I'm holding in. my hand killed my mom. And my first.

thought is I should take some and just. hide it like that way if I need it. someday. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'll have it. >> And um yeah, it was just that was a. crazy thought, you know, and I I just. ended up, you know, getting rid of it. I. I got a hold of my buddy, my friend. Alec, who's a a police officer um I went. to high school with growing up and um I. called him and I was like, "Man, can you. have one of your boys come just grab. this stuff? Like I don't I don't want to. put it in the trash can cuz I'll go.

digging back through there later or my. dad will or something or somebody will. or I just needed to get like actually. dispose of it, >> you know?" And so my mom would have. hated that. She always told me, "Don't. even speak to the police." But yeah. >> Yeah, >> man. Another crazy thing, too, is like. >> that's a good definition of it. >> Yeah. I mean, that's that's how bad it. is. It's like, like I said, this this. literally killed my mom and and I'm. thinking, man, I should just take a. little bit. >> Yeah. >> And put it aside. Nobody would know.

>> Well, and also thoughts like for a rainy. day or I'll be like, let me keep some so. I can scrapbook it. >> That's I'm not even joking. That's what. my brain would do. So I can like have. like a if I you know what I'm saying? Like I'll think like let me keep some. for like a memory like a me you know. what I'm saying like. >> but yeah but there's a part of my brain. that's like uh man I don't know that's. just a good. >> I'm sorry to hear that I we had texted. kind of around that time but um. >> well yeah man and I appreciate you uh. reaching out you know this guy you got a.

big heart I mean you stayed in touch. with me through all that when I was in. the hospital with my dad you kept you. know kept in touch and you offered to. come walk my dog when I broke my leg. Like, man, you're you're a good dude and. I appreciate all that, you know. >> Well, thanks, man. You're the probably. you're one of the realest guys we've. ever we've you're one of the realest. people I've been around. I don't know. how God gave you that gift to be so. real.

>> And I'm sorry to hear about your mom, dude. >> Yeah. She loved you, bro. >> Did she? >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> yeah. She loved you, man. >> Where did I met her somewhere? Did you? >> Yeah, I met her somewhere. I'm trying to. think if it was at. a show of yours. >> Yeah, probably. >> She was at a lot of your shows, right? >> Mhm. Yeah. She came to so many shows. Like I. would be in [ __ ] New Orleans or.

Seattle or Texas or somewhere, dude. And. she would just show up in my green room. I'd be like, "What are you doing here?". She's like, "Oh, I hitchhiked down with. so and so.". you know, can you get me a hotel room? >> Really? >> I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] mom. I'll sleep on. the bus. You can have my room." You. know, >> um. >> what um Yeah. What was her spirit like? Tell us. Let's If it's okay with you, let's just think about her for a second. >> Man, she was a. hard to explain. She was a beautiful,

beautiful soul. And um. I've never met anybody else like her, that's for sure. I mean, she she was. born in 1960 on Halloween. No way. >> Yeah, she's a Scorpio. She was like she. was always kind of like psychic and. always had this intuition. Always even though she was an outlaw, she like never, you know, she skirted around the law in. a lot of different times like just But. yeah, she loved music and she loved art.

She was an artist. She made a lot of. art. Uh. >> she loved music, huh? >> Oh yeah. I mean, I remember being a. little kid, like. a little kid, and she would like show me. all these, you know, do you know who. this is? Oh, this is, you know, Led. Zeppelin, or this is, you know, Pearl. Jam or this is uh she used to play, she. did like backwards masking where she'd. play the record backwards and find like. secret messages in it. >> And uh she was playing me when I.

remember being just a little kid. She. was playing Revolution number nine. backwards, the Beatles white album, showing me showing me how it says, "Turn. me on dead man, you know, and I'm just. like a little like seven years old or. something." I was like, "Mom, what are. you doing?" You know, but but yeah, she. was amazing, man. She um she dealt with. a lot of uh a lot of trauma in her life. I mean, I think she had a wild. upbringing anyways. >> I mean, when she was. >> Is that a picture of her when she was. young? >> Yeah. Aw.

>> Yeah. When she was like 16 years old. Bro, go back to that one picture. Look. at what a curious but also kind of. mysterious young lady she. >> is. Yep. Yeah. She But witchy, too. >> Like she's just something There's. something different about her, man. Just. like she came from like another realm. just to audit humanity. >> Yeah. She I mean she definitely did. She. was she was tapped into some [ __ ] that. we will never really know about. And it. was always crazy too cuz like man she's. got so many crazy stories and I would.

hear these stories and I wouldn't even. believe them you know she's like oh I. was hanging out with those dudes from. blow like down in like Miami and [ __ ]. they had you know they were breaking out. lines this long and they were. >> um you know they had boats full of money. they didn't have anywhere else to put. their money so they just would buy a. boat and just put it on this boat and. park it in the marina like just went. full of cash you know and then uh you. know things just crazy things and I. would I would not believe her, right?

Because these stories would be so. insanely just like whatever, you know, and then uh you know like she used to. hang out with like um all the bands she. would get backstage. She's got you know. picture I got pictures with her like. Leonard Skard and you know all these uh. old bands. She said one of those bands, what was that band 38 Special or some. [ __ ] like that? One of these bands had a. damn chimpanzee that would ride on. roller skates and bring drinks around. >> Really? Who was it? >> That's what she said anyways. And I I'm.

like, "Okay." You know, and then later. on, >> she seems like such a gypsy woman. >> Yeah, she was. Man, later on in life, there would be somebody, you know, that. show up, her one of her old girlfriends. or something. Debbie, remember that time. we were partying with the band and they. had the chimpanzee? And I'm like, are. you [ __ ] me? you know, and and it. would always be like some story that I. did not believe. And but just crazy. crazy [ __ ] like that, man. She's she's. had she had a wild life. And it makes. sense that she would go out like that. because she's not going to go out in.

some boring way. She's not going to get. sick and drag it out. She's just going. to And that's the other thing about her. is she would be there and like you're. partying and you're hanging out and then. it's like where's Deb? Like she just she. would just leave without saying a word. And like that's how she left, you know? was how she always did. >> And it was uh you know, now that I've. had more time to process it and just. been in a lot of therapy and stuff and. like I mean obviously it still tears me. up. I'm I'm like grieving a lot in my. dreams.

>> Mhm. >> Um I wake up like suffocating in my. sleep and I just like I my mom comes to. me and I but it's never like a sweet. like beautiful thing. It's always like a. really painful. >> and I wake up and I'm just like I'm not. breathing and I'm like I'm crying so. hard in my sleep that it just wakes me. up and my throat hurts and my head is. throbbing and I'm. >> and so I feel like I'm I'm grieving a. lot in my sleep or something. But um. >> well she seems so whimsical. It's almost. like the only place you could even.

>> touch her is in your dreams in a way. You know what I'm saying? Like she just. seems like such an ethereal type of. creature, you know? It's even hearing. you talk about it, man. Um, it's so wild that she loved music so. much and that the thing that she created. was a musician. It's just kind of like. >> Yeah. >> Like I don't know. It's kind of um. It's pretty cool. >> Yeah. >> You know, cuz sometimes our mothers go. through a lot, I think, and we don't. realize it, you know, we cuz they don't. a lot of moms don't they they don't.

really share all that with you. I think. >> well I I think that was a big part of. her um you know addiction and stuff was. let's see I mean she had a crazy. upbringing anyways my grandpa was always. drinking coming in smashing up the house. and just it was just a wild place to. grow up and then you know. she was with my my dad William Apostle. uh and he died when he was 35 I was 2.

years old. >> and um. and that was only a couple years after. her sister was murdered. So her sister was her best friend and. Mel, who's now. free, you know, on a [ __ ] bass boat. somewhere. He killed my aunt Carla with. a 45 point blank closed case [ __ ]. you know. Um,

and. my mom, you know, there was that and. then a couple years later my dad died of. an overdose or. I mean that's what it was. But also. there's a lot of like kind of word on. the street is somebody actually gave him. a hot shot. >> like on purpose. So like um that's the crazy thing too is. I just came across all these uh my. cousin Patrice. She just found all these. old tapes that was was my grandma. apostles from her home phone back in the.

day. And uh. it's the first time I ever heard my. dad's voice. >> Wow. >> On these tapes, you know. And it's just. really crazy the [ __ ] that they were all. doing back in the day. Everybody was in. and out of jail. All this crazy [ __ ]. going down. >> So, was it voicemails and stuff like. leaving on a message? >> No, it was like my grandma had her own. phone tapped and every single phone call. would just be recorded. >> Sorry, dude. That's just so bizarre. >> Yeah. >> And perfect for your life. >> And what a gift now that she had it in a.

weird way. >> Cuz I can hear my, you know, I can hear. my grand or my my dad calling his mom. kind of from jail or something. Yeah. >> Bitching about, you know, whatever this. and that or I need some, >> you know, uh, need some money in my. commissary. I gave my shirt away to this. one guy or whatever. Cuz he was like. that, too. He was like kind of this. Robin Hood type. Like he would go in, my. dad uh he would go in and uh. some store Walmart or something. Back in.

the day there was them hyperolor shirts. >> Yeah. And you'd blow on it and it would. change colors. >> Yeah. So he would go in and like steal a. whole rack of those like just come out. with the rag and put it in the car and. then he would like drive around Lancing. and like give them away to the homeless. people and [ __ ]. >> Dude, the fact that the homeless are out. there. >> repping hypercolors. Yeah. >> Repping hyperolor, dude. Yeah, those. were the [ __ ]. >> bro. That's so wild. >> But yeah, I've always heard a lot of. crazy stories about my dad, too. He was. He was I mean, they were all nuts, dude. Just [ __ ] wild bunch, you know,

hillbillies. And uh my my dad like. there's this one story where he worked. at a cable company for a while. And um. ever even. >> Eldridge or whatever it. >> I don't know some kind of. >> but. >> but they made cable like long. >> No, I'm talking about like T for TV. >> Okay, bet. Like, so even when I was a. little kid, my grandma always had free. cable. It was just hooked up. It was. like wired in. And my dad had did that. when he was back when he was alive. And.

um it's like he would he climbed up the. the telephone pole or whatever and he's. got the case open and then everybody on. Fairfield Street came out of their house. and was looking cuz their TV got shut. off or something and he's all up there. on that pole. He's like, "Do you have. HBO?" And they're like, "No." And he's. like, he's like, "Well, you will in a. minute. Just go back inside." You know, so he hooked up everybody on Fairfield. Street's cable for free. Like after he. worked for the company, you know?

>> Yeah, dude. >> [ __ ] like that. He was like Robin Hood, bro. >> Bro, he We could use him now to take. care of these flock cameras. That's what. we could use him now for, >> man. One of the craziest things, too, is. like that I'm coming to terms with and. like learning and and stuff like that is. just hearing him. hearing him talk about me and my brother. and stuff like when I was growing up and. he was, you know, he died when I was. two. I always thought, oh well, he loved. heroin more than me, right? >> And I'm kind of, you know, I was kind of. like, well, screw him. I got my, you.

know, Terry, that's my dad. He raised me. up. He taught me everything I know, how. to play and everything. >> And uh I always kind of had this chip on. my shoulder about my real dad. But it's. just not the case. I mean, he did love. me and my brother and he did try his. best and he was trying to, you know, get. his life straight and stuff and it turns. out there's a pretty good chance that he. was kind of murdered, you know, >> like somebody shot him up with like, you. know, a hot shot is what they call it. >> Would people do that to people like they.

didn't like they would who they knew. were struggling with addiction. sometimes? Is that a common thing? >> It's a way to murder somebody with that, you know, it just looks like an. overdose. >> That's a good point. >> And I think that was happening a lot. back then. And I mean, the guy who. supposedly did it, Steve Rogers, um, he. died the same exact way months or a year. later. And I think his old lady Martha. might have shot him up like that because. she loved my dad, you know, or whatever. And but I think there was a lot of that. tit fortat stuff going on back then. And.

um yeah, it's it's crazy to to learn. about and hearing these tapes and stuff. because there's also tapes of uh my mom. calling my grandma apostle talking about. what happened. my grandma Connie on my. mom's side calling my grandma Betty on. the apostle side calling and telling her. what happened to her son and stuff like. you know apparently he like collapsed in. the driveway and like they you know. Steve Rogers was like let's get out of. here and you know Martha's like hell no.

and and and took him inside and was. trying to do CPR and everything and you. know so hearing all this stuff is really. I went down a bad rabbit hole of it when. I found all these tapes and I started. listening to everything and I just, you. know, it's like I'm trying to put these. puzzle pieces back together from 1995, you know. >> Yeah. Oh, it's like a serial podcast. >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's just But it's. like my dad, you know. >> Yeah. >> And then. >> you have to go down it. Was it a lot of. hours of tapes?

>> There's a lot of them on there. Yeah. I. haven't even listened to all of them. yet. >> Wow. But there's also just like I always. thought the Lee side was crazy because. my grandpa for instance he was an outlaw. race car driving you know bringing. moonshine up to Michigan crazy just. crazy bunch and he hung out with like. riff raff from from Lancing and stuff. like all his whole crew was just like. like crazy dude crazy like there there's. this guy named Art Schaefer and he's. still around and Art Schaefer was like a.

klepto and he would hang out with my. grandpa you know he. My grandpa hung out with like the the. outcasts, you know, he would befriend. these guys. There was this guy Billy. Strubal who was who was uh mentally. challenged and and and there was Art. Schaefer and there was Hillbilly Pete. who had a big beard and he always had a. big 40 wrapped up in a paper bag. He. never really said much, but Billy Strub. was always like, you know, helping my. grandma mow the yard and stuff and he. was always real proud. Guess who mowed. the yard, Boomer? I did it. I did it.

You know, and I was like, hell yeah, Billy. He always smelled like coffee. >> Yeah. >> And um like bad like bad kind of stinky. coffee. But then Art Schaefer, he's. total klepto. And so there's this great. story of him. uh my uncle worked at this place called. Crystal Ray and they had events there. and stuff. And so they had all these um. what was it like uh. turkeys or some ribs or something in the. freezer? was like a little like a.

convention center type or like a place. like a like a hall people would go and. have like. >> Exactly. Like a VFW kind of like a like. a hall. They would have like bingo. there. >> Weddings maybe. Bingo. >> Maybe. Uh Yeah. >> But my uncle Billy, he worked at this. place. And so um Oh, they were steaks is. what they were. Big old steaks. And so. they were going to have this event and. they were going to cook all these. steaks. And Art R our Schaefer was good. friends with my my my uncle Billy and he. found out there was all these steaks. there and he went and stole all them. stakes and uh and so he had them and my.

my uncle Billy he said uh the next day. or something he said man he was sitting. there with Art and he knew how to draw. it out of him. He said, "Man, Art, man, it's a nice day. I mean, I sure wish we had some of them steaks. that come up missing, man. I'm sure. they'd be good." And he goes, "They are. good.". You know, he snitched on himself. >> He said, "They are good.". Bro, my buddy Antonio the other day, he.

freaking he had some bad zins that he. bought off the internet, like like a. bunch of cans of them. So he went and. sold them to like some gas station owner. like at some like kind of small gas. station. >> Wow. >> Knowing they were bad. But then [ __ ]. such an idiot. Two days later he went to. that gas station and bought a cans of. them because he was just going to buy. Zins. He bought his own bad Zens back. >> Oh my gosh. Were they like expired or. something? >> I don't know. They were just I think. they were boot leggings he bought off. the internet or something. I think he. >> Oh, like fake. >> Yeah, I think he got them on Etsy or.

whatever. >> God. Like [ __ ] that's what you'd. [ __ ] get for getting Zins off of. Etsy. >> Yeah. Um, >> man, I was on those things for a while. I just kind of last couple of month or. whatever, I got off them damn things. >> Dude, it's like we spend so much of our. lives trying to get off of some of this. stuff. >> Well, now I'm just on coffee. >> Like I And I quit smoking weed back in. December. Um, what what made you want to. quit? >> Dude, it was like kind of on my mind for. a while like wanting to quit and then. there was two like real big moments. Um,

first what happened is I was. I was leaving to go to the grocery store. to go get some groceries and just, you. know, get some [ __ ] to eat. >> Yeah. Dinner, lunch. >> Yeah. Just some stuff to put in the. cupboards, you know. And um I walk out. to my truck and I I'm just like this. I'm like like, "Oh shit." Like, you. know, I don't have my vape pen on me, you know, my weed pen. >> Yeah. You're just frisking yourself. I'm.

just like, "Yeah, exactly." And I'm. like, "Oh [ __ ] I got to go back inside. and get my pen." And I'm just like, in. my mind, I'm like, "Really?" Like, "Do. you really? You can't go 20 minutes to. the damn grocery store without weed?". And so it just made me feel kind of weak. or something, right? Just like, "Man, you can't do anything without this? Like, you really need to smoke weed. every five minutes, >> you know?" And then and then uh. >> a perspective kind of. >> Yeah. Just like maybe, you know, I was. just going to the grocery store. I'll be. right back. I can get it in 20 minutes. Yeah, >> you can't go 20 minutes without it.

>> Well, that's what's interesting. That. feeling of that moment, like whenever I. It's like if I can just let this moment. pass for 30 seconds, I'm going to be. fine. >> But this moment feels like I'm never. going to have that again. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like I I. need it, you know? So So that was kind. of weird. And then uh the straw that. really broke the camel's back was my son. was sick. He he had the flu or something. and he was just a little guy. Um.

>> ri river river. >> river. Yeah, he was just a little guy. and he he it's the first time he really. ever got sick like you know he was. throwing up and um it was like two days. of this and. he was just like nursing. uh and he was sleeping and I was just. like okay. He kind of seemed like he was. in like a pretty good spot and like I. was like, "Are you guys good? Like I'm. going to go upstairs and work on some. music in the studio." And um he she my.

wife Yeah, he's sleeping, you know? He's. good. He's just nursing and sleeping. And so I'm like, "Okay, I'm going to go. upstairs." And I'm upstairs and I'm. working on some music. Of course, I'm. hitting my pen, you know, and I'm. working on music and playing on ProTools. and [ __ ] and then uh getting high, you. know, and when I came back downstairs, my son had gotten worse. Like he was. like lethargic. Like we couldn't even. get his attention. We had to bring him. to the hospital and that was the last. time I smoked right there. It was like I.

felt like such a you know, my son is. sick and I'm upstairs getting high. Like. that's the. >> Yeah, like a commercial almost. >> It was just Yeah. It was just like, man, I'm done with this [ __ ] And I just like. threw all my paraphernalia away and just. I just quit right there. >> [ __ ] dude. >> Yeah. >> Does it feel different now? Do you feel. Have you What are some things that you. noticed since you since you quit. smoking? Because you probably smoked it. for a decent amount of your life, >> dude. I smoked every day since I was. like 11. I mean, >> God damn, dude. Sorry. >> I mean, I by the time I was 12, I was.

like scraping my bowl to get high, you. know? I was like, >> "Fuck, bro.". >> You know, looking for roaches and [ __ ]. I've Yeah, it's just I've always smoked. weed. The only time I ever quit was when. I was like 19 and I got DUI. They put me. on uh probation and I couldn't smoke for. that whole year. So, I was just doing. acid that whole year. >> Yeah. >> But um. >> Oh, dude, cocaine helped me quit vaping. at one point. >> Oh, that's a that's a different one. >> But it's so, you know what I'm saying? It's just the the way that some things.

kind of work out. >> Yeah. Um. >> well, like I said, now I feel like I'm. just drinking so much coffee. It's like. I got to have something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, >> but I just I've always wondered about it. too because. >> yeah, >> I grew up I mean, dude, when I was. [ __ ]. 10 years old or something like dude, we. were like sitting in a field like. huffing rubber cement until we heard. mystery music in our head. Like I was. like just a little baby, you know, like. trying to get high and uh you know, by.

like I said, by the time I was 12, I was. full-on stoner kid, you know, and um. [ __ ] and and and whatever. So, it's like. my whole life I had I had always uh. you know had something like that. And. so, I've of I've often wondered like. what is life like without like drugs and. getting high and drunk and stuff like. what what would it be like to just raw. dog life? >> Yeah. >> You know, like and it's actually hard,

you know, but but it's it's. >> Yeah, dude. >> It's not as hard as like. You know, I feel like drugs and [ __ ]. cause a lot more problems than they than. they medicate, you know. Um. >> I think a scenario like that with the. kid would probably. Yeah. It would make you have to about. face maybe just even that moment. It's. like I just can't I can't risk this. I. can't risk being high in case something. happens to my son. >> No. And and also like I grew up, you. know, in a environment that was very.

pro. >> Yeah. I remember we talked about it last. time we were podcasting. Yeah, you know, beers, music, people smoking weed. even. the whole culture around the music I. grew up with, not necessarily the. bluegrass side, but you know, the. Beatles and the Grateful Dead and the. uh, you know, Hrix and all this, you. know, LSD and trippy psychedelic stuff. is all it's all cool. You know, it is. until it ain't, you know, until it you. know, it's fun at first and then when it.

starts to take over your life or gets. too much and you or you can't stop or. you you know, you overdo it. Uh, that's. yeah, it's it all starts fun in games. until somebody gets hurt. Um, >> what's something about being a dad that. you think has been kind of surprising, dude? Has that been like a totally crazy. adventure? >> Man, it's the best. I just. >> I met your son in Austin. Remember, dude, I met your son and the governor of. Maine. >> That lady Janet Mills, dude, she was. rocking, bro. >> Yeah, that was a good hang. I'm glad you. swung by.

>> She was rocking. And they had that. pimeino cheese spread over there, dude. Who is that? the some h. >> Yeah. She's my business manager. >> She's the no joke. I since she's might. be the nicest woman that I've ever met. >> She is. >> just like being helpful. Like she just. like wants to be helpful. Yeah. You. know? >> Yeah. That's what she does. I mean, she. helps me with everything on the daily. Everything. She's like my business. manager, but I also, you know, she helps. me like with like my doctor's. appointments and like my, you know, every single thing she helps me with.

and my manager, Bill. >> Yeah, she was so nice, man. And then we. went to your show and Steven Wilson Jr. was there, dude. And I got to meet his. son, which was awesome. >> Oh, wow. His son was there. >> Yeah, his son was there and his wife was. there. Um, so that was just great. That. was so cool, dude. And I got to see you. guys meet you guys. I don't think it I. think you guys had kind of passed, but. had never gotten to meet each other. >> Yeah, that's where I met him. That was. what uh was it Farade or No, it was. Willy's Fourth of July picnic. >> And Willy's kids were there. Micah I got.

to meet and his wife I got to meet too. She was uh she's a. >> Yeah, Micah's the [ __ ] man. >> Yeah, dude. I think we're going to try. to go to Farm Aid. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah, >> you should, man. >> Um but yeah, dude, that was so great. Just seeing you and Stephen Wilson get. Junior get to meet each other was cool, dude. >> Yeah, he's a interesting cat and I He's. got such a cool style. Um you know, I. think he's found his like his own sound. and it's cool because he doesn't sound. like anything else that I've ever really. heard. like his guitar playing is really.

interesting and. really cool. >> Yeah, he see he feels like a little bit. of like a time traveler or something, but I don't know where he's coming from. or where he's going kind of, but it's. kind of nice to see him pass by, you. know? Yeah, >> he's uh he has he has some sunglasses, too, that he just mailed me some a pair. of like kind of I think he kind of came. out or like maybe did like a collab on. some sunglasses, but pretty cool stuff. Um. >> Wow. >> Yeah. What's something about being a dad. that kind of surprised you or does it. feel like a surprise at all? maybe like. to somebody like you who like has had so. many types of feelings and like kind of.

traversed so many different moments of. highs and lows of life that um that. that's not as big of a surprise. It just. sort of feels like uh. >> I think uh. >> like life moving on. So, the big one for me, um, I mean, besides just. I would [ __ ] rip your esophagus out. for him if I had to. Wow. >> Like, just feeling that about somebody. like I would kill someone for him if I.

had to or like, you know, like I love. him that much that I would. >> filet you right here, >> you know. And uh, that's awesome. >> That's crazy to feel that love. And um. >> so it's like a new kind of love like. like is it does it feel like a um cuz. that's interesting. I. >> truly like I would take bullets like you. know what I mean like you Yeah. >> And it I've just never felt that before. It's like I would I would die for him. Like I would do anything to protect him. >> Huh. >> It's just a crazy feeling. >> Does it feel like a part of you or does.

it feel like a new like does that. question make any sense kind of to you? >> Yeah, he does feel like a part of me. Actually, what's so funny is the other. day he had this like little booger. >> and I like picked his nose and I like. grabbed this little booger and I was. like, "Wait a minute." Like I have. boogers. He came from my balls now. He. has boogers. Like this is still sort of. my booger. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah, dude.

>> Like this booger was once in my balls. Yeah. >> Like, "Wow, that's so wild to me.". >> Yeah. >> And then I like rolled it and I like. flicked it. >> [ __ ] yeah, dude. >> You know? >> Yeah. I love that, bro. [ __ ] a kidney. stone board. We on some new [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But one of the one of the beautiful. things about. >> Yeah. My [ __ ] boogers aren't even. just mine. >> Yeah. And now Yeah. He's got everything.

[ __ ] pissed. I puke and boogers and you. know tears and everything. But man, one. of the big like things that I felt like. a shift in is that you know, music has. always been like the most important. thing to me, it's like been my the way. I've survived. It's been my social. currency. It's been my survival tactic. It's been my coping mechanism. It's been. everything. And it's always been the. most important thing to me. My guitar is.

my best friend. There's nothing that. comes before that, you know. And I used. to be so worried about the music, like. even just on stage where I'm so. concerned about playing well, singing. well, performing good. Um, probably. because I don't want to go back to where. I was like being poor and not having. food and um just living in squalor and. kind of having a shitty life and you. know, so. >> the uncertainty of it all. >> Yeah. And just like, you know, when you.

don't have food, it sucks, you know. And. um so I think ever since I started like. making money playing music or just. making a living off of it, you know, like I'm like, "Oh man, I have to every. time I step on stage, I have to just. kill it. Otherwise, like I could go back. to that, >> right?" Like the pendulum is there every. single time. >> Yeah, >> dude. I feel that same way. And and it's. it's like I'm always like running away. from, you know, I'm never like running.

towards success. It's like away from. poverty. And um and I'm scared that this. is all going to go away and I'm going to. end up in some trailer smoking foils. again or whatever. And uh so I have. strangled the life out of the music. before because I'd been so concerned. about playing well that I'm playing hard. and I'm thinking and I'm like trying to. lead the band and I'm just like all. this, you know, crazy stuff. And it's. like, man, that's not really the way to. go about it, you know? And at the end of. the day, we're just playing music here.

It's not the end of the [ __ ] world. If you play a wrong note or you forget a. couple lyrics or whatever, dude, nobody. cares. It's Nobody's going to get hurt. It's not a big deal. But to me, it is. Like, if I have a bad gig, dude, I'll be. depressed for days, you know? Yeah. >> Or something. That just happened. recently. Really, >> dude? Who's your therapist, man? I told. I want your therapist. Uh, well, her. name is Dr. >> Okay. She's in Nashville, >> is she? >> Yeah, >> dude. Bush. Cuz some of the stuff you're.

saying, it's like exactly like I've just. felt sometimes like in my life, dude. It's like I feel like like one little. thing goes wrong. It's like it's going. to like everything depends on me. It's. not true, but it's like and it's not. everything does like like I'm some kind. of god or something, but it's just like. >> Well, dude, you're famous, man. But it's. like but it's like every it's like. nothing everything has to go this way or. I I can't even explain it exactly but. everything feels like a lot of pressure, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because you got all these.

eyes on you and. >> Well, I have my own eyes on me. It's. like my own I I want my my I [ __ ] I'm. under my own microscope, you know? >> But it's like Yeah. It's just like um I. don't know. I just I don't give myself. enough room to breathe in there where. it's like, "Hey, man, >> we're having a good time. It's we're. having a comedy, you know? It's like. we're doing it's like we're making at a. certain point sometimes it's like you. almost start to lose some of the. laughter because you're it's it's like. >> you're squeezing it too tight. >> Yeah. Everything feels so life or death. kind of. But it's always felt like that.

>> Sometimes you have to allow yourself to. bomb, you know, to have those like to. have those better shows. They can't. always they can't all be zingers. >> Yeah. >> You know, and you have to just realize. that. And so that's kind of the. beautiful thing about it is like when. you're truly improvising, you're not. always going to do it. Like the ball. team doesn't always win, you know? Like. the Red Sox don't always win even though. they just did like 14 in a row or. something. >> Yeah. >> And I just went to like Yeah. one of my. first ball games out there. That was. pretty cool. >> Did you? >> Yeah. >> Who was pitching? Do you remember?

>> No, I don't know. I'm don't know enough. about that stuff. But I brought my son. to that. It was It was cool. But man, what I was getting at is like when I had. my son. when he was like brand new and then I. started going to play gigs again. Like. all of a sudden it's like I don't give a. [ __ ] if I play bad. I don't give a [ __ ]. if I miss a few words. I And instead of. like strangling the music, all of a. sudden I'm singing and playing. I'm As.

long as they're okay, I'm free to go. play and sing. >> As long as Bear and River and Ally are. good, man. Then I can go play and sing, right? And I'm not only strangling the. music less, which in turn I'm playing. much better and singing better. I'm. singing from a place of joy in my belly. >> Yeah. >> I'm singing, you know, and I'm playing. guitar free from the restrictions of. fear. >> and I'm truly just letting it go. And.

>> Yeah. I'm not playing out of. desperation. >> Yeah. And I'm actually playing because. it's fun and I, you know, I get to go. play and um I've just realized that I. mean I play and sing much better now be. and I always also every time I'm playing. I have this little cosmic listener that. I can just look out in the crowd but I. can picture River's face wherever he is. in the world and I can sing to him. He's. my little guy. >> Really? >> Yeah. And also when I walk out the front. door of my house to go get on the bus.

and go on tour, >> now I have a reason. >> Ah, >> to provide for my family. >> I'm on an actual mission. Not just to go. stoke my ego and to go, you know, like, oh, to go play and try to whatever, keep. doing this music thing that has always. been the most important thing. It's. like, no, >> it's not the most important thing. I am. a musician. That's what I do. That's my. job, but it's not the biggest thing in. life. My family is. And that actually.

makes me play better because I'm not. squeezing it so hard. And now I'm. actually loosey goosey. It's like when. you look at a cheetah run, if you watch. it on slow-mo or something, it's like. they start and the faster they run, the. looser they get, right? >> I mean, they start looking like a. spaghetti noodle. >> And um that's kind of how I feel my life. is is going right now. It's like I'm. looser now and I'm just kind of more. flowing with it. And I I attribute so. much of that to my son because.

he's the only thing that is really truly. life or death, like important to me. I. mean, all this stuff is important. My. music is important. Yeah. >> Uh my fans are important. Um my career. is important. >> So what a gift he is. >> Yeah. But it's it's not as important as. as River. >> Yeah. So, it's nice to have something that's. that trumps, you know, the music that's. more important than that, you know? >> Do you think you needed something like. that when you when you're looking at. your life now? Like, you're even able to.

see that because, dude, as you're saying. that, Billy, it's like it's kind of. funny because it's like Yeah, man. Like, sometimes you get tired. Yeah. And some. of the stuff you made me it just kind of. brought up some emotions. I think. there's night there's something nice. I. always feel something when a dad talks. about his son, you know? I think there's. something about that that like, you. know, all like I don't know. It makes me. feel something after that. >> I absolutely love it. You know, before I. came over here today, I was working in. the garage. I'm building him a little.

table. Like yesterday, I went to Home. Depot and I got like a bunch of lumber. and stuff and I'm I'm building him this. little table for him to play with his. monster trucks on. And there's like this. big ramp that comes down and they do a. loop and they and I I saw this me and. him watch these YouTube videos. It's. called Our Time for Adventures or. something. It's like this guy that just. um basically plays with these toy. monster trucks. He's like, "Let's go. racing." And like River loves it. And. dude, I love it. It's like I sit there.

and watch him and you know, he just. races these monster trucks. And so I'm. building him like one of those tables. like that. And I that's what I was doing. before I came over here this morning. is. like working on this like table for my. son and and you know just just stuff. like that. It's like like Yeah, like. that, you know, like that table. >> Oh, sweet. >> And it has these like little things. He. lets go of them and then they ramp. So. I'm like building one of these for my. little dude and um so he can have like a. cool table to play with his monster.

trucks on. He loves monster trucks right. now. >> Oh, it's so fun, dude. >> Yeah. Do you almost get to have some. childhood moments that you didn't get to. have through your son, but you almost. have them like in reverse psychology? Does that make any sense to you? >> Yeah, you get to um view the world again. through these kind of. more innocent eyes and more cur. curiosity. Um, which is an amazing. thing, you know, because I grew up. really quick. I mean, I like I said, by. the time I was 13, I was I moved out of.

my mom's house and I was, you know, I. look at a 13-year-old kid right now and. I'm like, "Oh my god, I was like. homeless at that time.". >> Yeah. >> Sleeping on couches, you know, like holy. [ __ ]. >> I I didn't really have I mean, I had a. good childhood for a little bit, but. then it got things got kind of rough and. feel like a lot of my child I had to. grow up too quick. >> Yeah. You know? >> Yeah. That's a great way to put it. >> So, yeah. I just, man, I love playing. with with my son and like just, you. know, his little toys and watching like. Cars or whatever. Like he loves. Lightning McQueen. >> Yeah.

>> And uh Dude, I've watched that movie so. many damn times. It's so good. >> That's kind of nice that you get to do. that and go back and have those moments. Yeah. Dude, even when I think back when. I was like 14, I moved out and live with. some other people. But before that, for. like about a year, I would go to school. each day and I'd stay with like a. different friend's family or something. So it would be like I'd be at school and. all day, it's funny, I didn't think. about this till just now. All day part. of my day was how am I going to convince. somebody at school today to let me stay. over there. >> So sometimes it would get to like fourth.

period and [ __ ] Like [ __ ] I've already. exhausted a couple of options, dude. I'm. going to [ __ ] have to stay with. somebody I don't even know, dude. And. sometimes it would get a little weird, bro. Like there was like two day two. nights I stayed with one of our janitors. families. We had a vice principal. He. used to sleep in his trunk, the trunk of. his car during [ __ ] recess. And I'd. go over there. I'd go over there and I. seen him get in there a couple times. So, one time I mentioned that to him, like a little bit of like not like. bartering, like trying to like threaten.

to snitch, but a little bit of me was. like, "Dude, I [ __ ] know what's going. like I don't I didn't know if he was. smoking. I didn't know what he was. doing, but just the fact that he's over. there sleeping in his trunk, I think he. didn't want that information out there.". and his wife worked at the other school. and so they let me go stay over there. for a couple nights. But I'd always. remember I'd have this big backpack and. it had all cuz it had all my stuff in. it. Like it had my change of clothes, it. had my toothbrush, it just had my stuff. So it was like, >> you know, I forget about sometimes like. I think you're right just growing up. quick. It's like the other stuff that.

you're thinking about that other kids. aren't thinking about probably, you. know, >> in a lot of ways I I'm grateful for it. Yeah. Do you think do you think like so. say you're a dad that doesn't get to be. there as much as he wants for his son, right? Like maybe you like heard from. listening to some of your dad's like. tapes and stuff from the voicemails and. the the conversations he had with your. grandmother, right? Just this all kind. of a hypothetical thing. Or say you're. the kid that didn't get the some of the. experience he needed, right? Or some of. the nurturing and like or just like the.

connection that he needed, right? Do you. think that. like as a dad now like do you think it. matters which side of that equation. you're on or either side you can get the. healing from one side? You know what I'm. saying? Like is there a little bit of. healing you think for like the kids like. a young person out there who maybe. didn't get some stuff if they are able. to apply themselves as a dad. Do you. think that there's some healing like in. some of that in the dad side of it? Does. that make any sense? Sorry I'm kind of. yelling. I feel like some of that stuff.

gets me kind of animated. No, man. I I think like. >> Does it make sense to you what I'm. asking you? >> Yeah. And I think I am trying to like. maybe heal some of my childhood through. being his father. >> Yeah. >> And I think as he gets older and older, I will be able to do that, you know. Just I want to like be present. That's. part of the, you know, another part of. the reason I quit smoking dope and. stuff, you know. >> Yeah. >> I just want to be there. I want to be. there. He looks at me with these big. clear eyes. I want to be clear, you. know. Um but yeah, just like it's it's a.

way for me to kind of, you know, redo my. childhood and stuff. Now, there's this. other thing that I have. Um. it's like this experiential density like. because of the hardships that I've been. through and even as a young man, uh. teen, you know, teenager, young kid, um. I am able to have this perspective that. I feel like a lot of people don't have. And I have this um.

kind of like terminal uniqueness in a. way that's like I never feel like. anybody would know what it's like to be. in my shoes. Like what I've been. through, what I've seen, the life I've. had, you know, the the trauma that I've. dealt with, you know. >> Um cuz it's much more than just, you know, having parents that were on. drugs. I mean, I was molested when I was. a child. I was, you know, [ __ ]. sodomized before I was, you know, 7. years old or something. >> Damn.

>> You know, and so that, you know, there's. a lot of a lot of lot of [ __ ] And I I I. live on this island that I feel like. nobody would ever understand what it's. like to be me, right? And so. I think. that's like more of the negative side of. it. But the experiential density I think. is kind of like I can use it as a. positive thing. >> where it's like I have this perspective. like most people like you know or not. most people but a lot of people you know. they grow up and their parents feed them.

and they buy them a car when they're 16. and everything's fine and like man I. didn't have any of that [ __ ] you know. what I mean I had to figure it out for. myself and I have this perspective um. that a lot of pe you know by the time I. was 15 or whatever I was more of an. adult than my teachers. >> Yeah. you know what I mean? And um so. one thing that I've kind of considered. at one point was uh my wife and I, we. were looking at houses in Nashville. and we ended up just staying where we. are and we're going to like do a.

renovation and stuff, but we were kind. of house shopping a little bit and you. know, I was looking around at these. different houses and they're all they're. all like I didn't want any of them. because they're all like on an acre and. a half and they're like tall and skinny. and it's like man, yeah, I want to live. in the You know, I don't I don't like. this. >> You don't want to live in a bunch of. stairs. That's what some of the houses. feel like a bunch of stairs. >> It's like, where are you? I'm on the. stairs. >> Yeah. Like you look out the window and. you can see your neighbor, you know, washing their dog or whatever. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And it's like uh.

um but as we were looking at these. houses and I was looking at and I you. know there was a couple that we were. kind of thinking about and I was like. man. is my son going to be. a kid that grows up in a house like. this. >> You know what I mean? Cuz I grew up in a. moldy meth house. You know that didn't. even have a furnace. You know, we just. had like a wood stove that always went. out. >> Yeah, dude. Oh, our living room was.

[ __ ] sinking, dude. We'd have to have. have my um my mom's boyfriend would come. and spray like this kind of foam under. the [ __ ] carpet to kind of even it. out. >> Oh, yeah. >> It just [ __ ] [ __ ] dude. I think. our whole side of our apartment complex. was sinking. >> Yeah. >> But no judgment. >> Oh, you told me about your balcony. >> Oh, yeah. People [ __ ] kept stealing. it. >> Yeah, >> the balcony would just fall off or. whatever. >> What the heck, dude? People would kept. stealing it. Bring that picture up one. more time, dude. Right there. >> That's the balcony. >> Yeah, it was.

They put Christmas lights where it used. to be. Like, [ __ ] we know there was a. balcony. There's still a door there. What the heck, dude? We would come home. and somebody would have stolen our fence. cuz there was a front g there was a. front gate in front of the like of the. apartment and then there was a there was. a balcony and people would steal it and. they would. >> How do you steal a balcony? And for what. reason? for the wood. >> Just for the wood. >> Yeah. For the textiles. >> Oh my gosh. >> Yeah. And they would use it down at. their joint or whatever. >> Such a strange thing to steal.

>> Yeah. >> A balcony. >> But I think it was easily like um I. think we didn't hammer it in good or. whatever. >> They could just remove it really easy, dude. >> Throw it on a flatbed and get the hell. out of there. >> I think not a flatbed. People would. [ __ ] just run down the street with it. on their backs because three blocks away. somebody would have a new baby crib or. something made out of half of it. Dude, we [ __ ] That neighborhood was. bananas, dude. Bro. Oh, it was [ __ ].

bananas. >> I'd like to go check that place out. sometime, dude. Your hometown. >> It was cool, dude. >> Be sick. >> And I'll have like to go up to uh Ionia. sometime, too. We're close. We wanted to. be able to go up today and see see some. of it. But next summer, we're going to. have a better plan. I'm just going to. come and do a trip in Michigan. I want. to go to Charlavoy so bad. I want. >> What What about Charavoy has drawn you. there? >> I just heard about it. It sounds kind of. magical. I want to go to Traverse City. >> Traverse City, I understand, but like I. mean Charavoy, too. It's a nice place, don't get me wrong, but I just feel like. Traverse City would be like the more.

destination. Charavoy is like a smaller. place like outside of Traverse City. There's like water there and marinas and. stuff like that, but. >> I guess I just can't imagine it. Dude, we went into Lake Michigan yesterday. Um, dude, we took a ride on a boat in. the Chicago River and dude, it was the. coole one of the coolest things I've. ever seen through the city. >> Oh, wow. >> It just If you ever get a chance, honestly, it really is like cuz I I just. couldn't even believe it. Like, and I. was like, "Oh, I've never gotten to go.

like on a boat through like a middle of. a city kind of. I know you can do that. here in Grand Rapids, but it's just. like, you know, Chicago is just a it's a. bigger entity there.". >> Kind of like reminds me of like. Amsterdam or something. There's all. those little canals. >> Oh, yeah. Venice and Amsterdam. Oh, yeah. Amsterdam has a ton of them, dude. Um what about uh what's that island. place with the dunes? You ever seen that. place? The same. >> sleeping bear dunes. >> Is that cool? >> It's very cool. >> Yeah, dude. I heard about that. >> Yeah, it's a beautiful place. Michigan. has some like damn near tropical like. paradise. Like look at that blue water,

dude. There's not water like that. anywhere. And it's fresh water, >> bro. That's what I'm saying. Like even. when I got into Lake Michigan yet in. Chicago, like we went like off the coast. a little bit. I c I never knew it. existed like that. Like I knew the lakes. were there, but. >> yeah, we got to keep it a secret, bro. We shouldn't even talk about this. >> Okay, >> I don't want any more people. >> No, some some stuff, dude. You want to. keep it a secret, >> but we went to that Field of Dreams. baseball game. >> Where was that at? >> Um Dyerville, Iowa. You ever seen that. movie? It's an old movie. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we went to Dyerville.

>> Oh, I saw a video. You ate a bunch of. peanuts. >> Oh, yeah. Dude, I ate like six bags of. peanuts. I ate almost 4 probably 400. peanuts. the guy. >> Well, each peanut has like two, sometimes three. So, you might have ate. 800 and something. >> I didn't even think about that. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. I don't even. >> cuz each pe a peanut has two nuts in it. >> So, if you ate 420, you make 880. peanuts. >> [ __ ] yeah. I didn't even think of that. >> That's [ __ ] close to a,000, bro. >> Damn. [ __ ] you.

>> You know what I'm saying, bro? >> Dude, next time you break a thousand. >> Yeah, you right. You're right. Yeah. I'm. going to run for mayor of Chicago now, dude. If I can eat that many peanuts at. a ball game, dude. The guy came over and. had to sweep up the nutshells like four. times, dude. There were [ __ ] birds. overhead like [ __ ] they were pissed. that we created so much like probably. usable material for nests and [ __ ] But. um but it was that Yeah, dude. That was. just a great experience. I just love. them. I don't know. I love the Midwest. I love the people I've always heard. about. Um yeah, they're some of the.

best. >> They come out of the corn. >> Came out of the corn. >> No way. Yeah, one came out the closet, I. think. >> Dude, >> dude, one day. >> That's epic. >> And you even they had a corn like built. up to walk up to it and stuff like that. And um who who I I got to meet Patrick. Rena, the guy from Sandlot. He was the. great hambino in Sandlot. And then uh. just got to see some of the players. Um. they had Joe, let me think, Joe Mau, um. Scott Roland, Lee Smith, the Hawk, Andre Dawson, Joe.

Ryan was there. Um, >> yeah. >> And the twins. Uh, they gave me a new. hat, too. >> Nice. I see you've been rocking that. Detroit hat pretty heavy, >> dude. Yeah. Well, because one of the. nicest or like one of the dopest squads. that ever came out to see me, like the. guys that ever came to see me play were. some of the uh Tigers guys came one time. to see a game. >> Rogers, Scoo, Scooble, um, Carpenter, some some just some of their different. pitchers came out and it was just. awesome, dude. And they like were just. it was like probably two or three years.

ago and there was like a little they. were younger and just like their energy. was like they were just [ __ ] like. ecstatic but they were all like really. nice guys. >> Um so that was just a good experience. dude. >> Oh it's sick to see that old English D. out there you know. >> and then here I am in Michigan which is. kind of crazy like the things you kind. of like maybe I didn't know that I I. would be here today you know. >> Yeah. >> And getting to spend time with you dude. Um dude thanks so much for just kind of. thinking about some stuff. I uh I want. to ask you I want you to see if you can. tell me the story. I know you got to.

meet Bob Dylan, right? >> Can you tell me that story or do you not. want to tell it? >> Sure, >> you can. >> Yeah. Um. Yeah. So, we were on tour with uh Willie. and Bob. and. >> this is one of my favorite stories, dude. >> Yeah. And you know, I don't take this for. granted. You know, I remember when the. when the thing first came to me, the the. offer, um, it was kind of put to me in a way.

that was like, okay, well, we we could. go do our own tour and like probably. make a lot more money or we could go on. this tour as an opener, but we're going. to be able to, you know, go tour with. Bob, Dylan, and Willie. And it's like, dude, we're going with Bob and Willie. Are you kidding me? Of course. And so. every night we played with them, me and the band would like finish our. set, we would hurry up and go back to. the green room, like, you know, have a. snack or whatever, and then like get.

right back out there, get our good seats. sometimes just on the side of the stage. and watch Bob Dylan play and then watch. Willie play, >> you know? And so it was just every night. was just like we watched them intently. every night because like I said we do. not take this for granted. So. actually I need to rewind a bit to to. tell you the story about Bob Dylan. Somebody had told me T-Bone Bernett. actually told me.

>> he lives in Nashville. >> Yeah. >> He's friends with Jeff Bridges. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love Jeff. >> dude. A Crazy Heart. >> Yeah. >> Such a good movie. Yeah. Um, but so. T-Bone's like, "Hey man, Bob Dylan's. like a big fan of yours. He keeps. bringing you up and stuff." And I'm. like, "What?" You know, that's crazy. And then my manager says that one of. Bob's people, his one of his managers or. something, kind of just told my manager, Bill, the best way to get a hold of Bob. is to write him a letter. He likes.

letters. So I was going to write him a. letter. And uh. and I remember I was staying at uh St. Cecilia in Austin. And I walked in the. room and they had this really great. paper there, like this stock paper. And. I thought, well, this will be cool cuz. it's from like a hip hotel and it's nice. paper. I'm going to take this paper. This is what I'm going to write my. letter to Bob Dylan on. And then I never. did. A whole year passed. I. procrastinated. And then the next year passed. We're.

doing uh Austin City limits or. something. I was in Austin again and I. stayed at the St. Cecilia again and I. walked in that same room I stayed in. last time and I saw that paper again a. year later and I go, "Man, screw this.". And I just set my backpack down in my. luggage. I grabbed that paper and I went. straight up to the cafe and I had a. coffee and some eggs and uh I sat there. and wrote Bob Dylan a letter just. basically, you know, saying thank you. and just thank you, you know, and.

telling him about how I, you know, love. the way Doc Watson used to play his. songs and stuff. And um so after that, you know, I had heard that Bob was. excited about this letter that he got. from me and stuff and I was like, "Okay, well that's, you know, I don't know what. to believe, right?" And uh we get on. that tour, we play like a couple gigs. and we're opening for Bob. And then. one night after our set, uh before Bob.

goes on stage, um. well, that was when I sat in. Actually, the first time I met him was at the. Hollywood Bowl and I was standing. backstage after his set. Uh and my. security guy, Jim, was like, "Here, stand over here." And I just thought. like I was in the way like they were. going to move some road cases or. something. But no, Bob was coming off. stage in this huge Northface Parker and. uh right as he was walking by, somebody.

was like, "Hey, that was a great set, Billy." And he stopped in his tracks and. he was like, "Billy." And he walked. right up to me and he was like, "Man, thank you for the letter." And I was. like, "Man, thank you, Bob, for the. music." You know, >> and he shook my hand. >> Oh, yeah. >> And. >> with his hand. >> Yeah. With with Bob Dylan's hand. He. shook my hand and. >> Yeah. My hand is like tingling right now. just talking about it. Every time I talk. about this story, my hand starts. tingling that whole night.

It's like vibrating. Um, I shook his. hand and I looked him in the eyes and he. said, you know, thanks for the letter. and I told him, "Thank you for the. music." And and then he walked away. >> And did he have a good hand? >> He was Yeah, it was nice little hand. And uh. >> and uh. that whole night my hand was just tingly. like it was it was like I touched a. magic crystal or something, you know? >> Mhm. >> And so now every time I tell this story.

it does the same thing. But later that. night I was like it's either like some. crazy beautiful energy like he's just. got this magic or it's like you know. some leftover Ben Gay or something is. what I was thinking. Um, yeah. But then, so like the next night. on tour or yeah, a night or two later, we played our set and I'm sitting in the. green room and then uh I was like. smoking a bowl or something and this. lady walked in and she's like, "Bob. wants you to play with him tonight." No.

>> And I was like, "What?" And she's like, "Are you too stoned?" And I was like, "No, I'm not stoned enough." You know? So I'm. like, "Okay, [ __ ] you guys. It's happening. Bob asked. me to sit in." So I'm I'm like walking. out to my bus cuz I know his band, they. all wear black and stuff. So I was like, "I got a black shirt. I can put my hair. in a ponytail, get a little bit more. classy, >> blacken up a little, me darken out.". >> Yeah. For to get a little bit more. classy than whatever t-shirt I had on,

right? >> You know, I'm fixing to play with Bob. Dylan. I want to go put a nice shirt on. >> Yeah. >> And pull my hair back. And as I was. walking out to the bus, I saw him. He. was walking right toward me and he just. came up to me and and he said um. he said you know let's do all along the. watchtower. He's like just you know I. sing the first verse and second verse. he'd play after the second verse you. know I was and then he walked away like. he didn't say hi he didn't say thanks. for playing or nothing he said let's do.

the watchtowwer play after the second. verse. >> just information. >> and then on his way to the stage and I. was like oh my man this guy means. business. >> so I went to my bus I got my nice digs. on. >> type [ __ ]. >> and then uh I was you know texting my. mom and dad and you know I called my. mom. I was like, "You're not gonna. believe this.". >> What did she say? >> She just. She was always over the moon about stuff. like that. She's She called me her um.

Dreamw Weaver is what she called. She's. like, "Who are you going to play with. next?" You know, cuz I all so many of. her heroes I had met and played with, you know, or you know, I Mom, I just met. Eddie Veter or you know, "Mom, you're. you know, not going to believe this.". David Griezmann or you know Dell Mccur. and and uh you know all this stuff and. then more. >> Fleetwood Mac. >> more recently uh. >> Stevie Nicks. >> I've never met her but. >> that would be a crazy collab with you. guys. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, sorry.

>> But yeah, I was like I was like I'm. getting ready to go play with Bob Dylan. She's like what the [ __ ] You know, like. who who are you? Like who do you think. you are? >> Just like I don't know. He just asked me. to play. So. >> I'm your son. So yeah, I go out there. and um it was amazing. I mean, we we. played. The cool thing about that, too, is that whole tour. That was my favorite. song that they were doing. >> I mean, I love All Along the Watchtower. and of course Jimmyi Hendris's version, but they had this cool arrangement of it. >> and it was like such a hip version of it.

and I was just that was my favorite tune. that they were doing. Um, and that's the. one he asked me to play on. Just like, "Wow." You know, and so yeah, he sang. sang the second verse and then he kind. of looked over at me and I played, passed it back to him. We had a little. musical conversation and then I that was. it, man. I played with Bob Dylan. It was. like, "Holy shit," you know? And and I. walked off stage and I go in the green. room and like my whole band is like so. excited. They're like making toasts and.

[ __ ] like you know especially my bass. player Royal is like just been in a on a. huge Bob Dylan kick the last couple. years. >> We just couldn't believe this happened. Really? >> Shout out Royal. >> Yeah. So then. um. >> yeah, >> we're sitting in the green room and. we're all just like, "Oh my god, that. was amazing." And then uh Jim, my. security guy, he he comes in and he. says, "Um, hey, somebody wants to say hi." And. in my green room walks Bob Dylan. Dang.

>> And he sucked the oxygen out of the. room. Like everybody just like fell. silent and like couldn't breathe. And. then he was like, "Man, you know, thanks. for playing. Like that was awesome." And. and I go, "Man, thank you for having me, man. It. was I'm such an honor to play with you, you know, and and I was like, "I want to. introduce you to my band. You know, this. is Royal and Billy and stuff like that.". And and then I, you know, he just like. turned around and walked away. Like I was like, "What? No way,

dude." And then uh a couple days after. >> this is busy Bob, dude. >> Dude, he dipped. He was He was like And. then just left. >> And then um and we loved it. He thought. it was amazing. >> Oh, it's [ __ ] almost, bro. It almost. That's even better. >> Yeah. >> That's the most lore [ __ ] you could do, >> dude. He just literally I was like, "I. want you to introduce you to my band.". And he just turned around and left. I. was like, "Wow, >> yes. >> What a badass." And then so.

>> Yes, dude. a couple nights later um he. sent me a message. um. through one of his managers and it just. said you know thanks for playing like I. think you're great and um he said like. my friend Jerry Lee told me a long time. ago he said you're going to be around. for a long long time. and I just man I like was in the back of. my bus like reading this and just cried.

you know I mean this is Bob Dylan kind. of patting me on the back. And so, >> first of all, it's unbelievable, dude. It's such a great story. It's like I can. feel it, dude. It's almost like I'm. like, >> "Yeah, dude.". >> Well, I know one of the craziest things. is that the few interactions I had with. him, which was like three or four over. the course of a couple days, and I. talked to him and I looked at his face. and I spoke directly to him and I looked. in his eyes. I can't picture his face. I can't.

picture. I didn't see the skin. When I think about him, what he looked. like. All I see is these deep oceans of. blue in these deep concern concerning. eyes. >> and this like white light behind them. That's what I picture when I think about. what did Bob Dylan look like to me. All. I can see is these the deepest blest.

eyes with the most concerning. emotion in them and then this like aura. of like white light. >> That's what Bob looks like to me in my. memory. >> Yeah. >> I can't I can't remember his face, you. know, like. >> Yeah. Like it's almost something that's. like uh almost like maybe from another. realm or something like I think God. Yeah. like God's concern like shows up. in our eyes I think. So maybe he just. has a lot of like concern from the other.

side, you know? >> Yeah. And it's it's not a um a paranoid. concern. It's more of like a compassion. and and a. like. like a love like from an elder, >> you know? >> Yeah. Maybe like an kind of. semi-aggressive intrigue kind of. >> like a some kind of musical grandpa, you. know? >> Yeah, dude. Bob Dylan, bro. Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a trip. And then like.

little while after that, I got to play. and make music in the studio with Edgar. Winter. And he was like one of my mom's. favorites. You know, him and. >> Edgar. Edgar Winter and who else? >> Yeah. Well, Johnny Winter, his brother. >> Johnny Winter. Bring up a picture of. these guys. Let me get a gander at him. >> Yeah, they look like um. >> Oh, wow. >> They kind of look like uh Targaryens, man. They're albino. >> Yeah, he looks like Sea a little bit. You know who Sea is? >> No. But Johnny Winter is one of the best.

guitar players to ever live, man. >> Oh my god. >> He's one of the best little skinny. scrawny albino dude. And he, you know, he played with Muddy Waters and all. sorts of [ __ ] He was one of the best. blues players ever, man. played with the slide, played, you know, acoustic, everything. But he was he's. the man. And then Edgar Wter, you know, you've heard like free ride take, you. know, that's his jam. And then you. remember, so Edgar Wy had a huge hit. that was an instrumental song called. Frankenstein.

>> You ever remember that? And and. that's Edgar Winter, man. >> And the cool thing about that is that to. talk to him. >> Yeah. No, he's actually become a good. friend of mine. Um he came and played. with us at Bridgestone Arena when we. played and we were in the studio for for. like a day or two working on some stuff. for his record that's going to come out. at some point. But yeah, Edgar Winter is.

one of the sweetest sweetest people. >> Wow. >> And um. >> and Johnny's Johnny's alive, too. >> He passed away. when did he pass away? like 2012 or. maybe a little bit after that. >> 2014. >> Oh, yeah. 2014. >> Oh, they're Switz, huh? >> Well, no, he that's where he died is in. Switzerland. They're from Texas. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He was on the road. >> Wow. >> I think he died in his hotel room.

>> Oh, >> yeah. >> That's a lot. >> But that was my That was my mom's dog. right there. She loved him. I'm gonna. have to listen to some of their music. today in honor of her dude on our ride. later. >> Yeah. Listen to like just the. self-titled Johnny Winter album from. 1969. Um, and then for Edgar Winter, listen to. White Trash. Like it's just some of the. funkiest stuff you're ever going to. hear, man. They got this one tune. It's. the first track on the record called. Give It Everything You Got. And uh I.

remember I was I was tripping hard on. acid one day and I was down by the river. and I slipped and I fell down this mud. bank and I landed like waist deep in the. water and I was just splashing. It was. also October in Michigan. It was kind of. cold. >> Yeah. >> But I I got out and I climbed back up. the bank and I was soaking wet but I. didn't feel wet. >> Oh yeah. >> Cuz I just I think my brain was wet. >> Oh yeah. Cuz you were having a good. time. >> Yeah. I was already tripping. And so I. walk home and I'm sping in the, you. know, I walk in my mom's back door and.

uh she's like, "What are you doing?" I. was like, "Well, I took some acid and I. went and fell in the river." She's like, "Oh, you're on acid." And she dropped. the needle on, "Give it everything you. got." She put that record on for me to. hear. And I just sat there in front of. the speakers and I listened to that. And. when the song ended, I moved the needle. back over and I listened to it again and. I listened to it again. I just I was in. this loop of give it everything you got. There's these crazy saxophone solos and. everything's panned stereo and it goes.

right to left and it's just. >> dude it's it's so good. That whole album. is good and um there's a couple tunes on. there called one called Fly Away that I. can hardly listen to without crying. >> uh cuz it was one of my mom's songs and. it really reminds me of her. >> That's called That's the Johnny Winters. album. >> Uh that's the Edgar Winter album called. White Trash. >> White Trash. >> Yeah. And then the Johnny Winter record. is just it's just called Johnny Winter. M yeah, >> dude. What a crazy pair of brothers they. must have been. Can you even imagine? >> Oh man, they were they were really.

musical, you know, and Edgar's he's. amazing. I wish I would have been able. to meet Johnny, but you know, I've I've. listened to a lot of his music and um I. just love him dearly. I mean, gosh, so I. feel so lucky to have been exposed to. good music like that from my parents. you know, they as far as I'm concerned, man, they listened to good music and. they taught me about it, you know, and. so that's the thing is like when I was. in middle school and stuff, I mean, I. don't know what kids were listening to.

back then, I wasn't listening to that. I. was listening to, you know, John Lennon. or whatever. My teachers always thought. I was kind of like, who is this kid, man? He's like wearing a Jim Morrison. t-shirt, you know, >> like what's he doing? Yeah. Like, how. does this end? And I'm like going to the. library like trying to find books about. like Janice Joplain and stuff and I'm. just like in sixth grade or whatever. Some of my teachers thought that was. really cool. The ones that were like. around in the 60s and stuff, the older. cats. >> Yeah. >> I used to get like.

>> I almost want to say like special. treatment or something because of that. Cuz like some of my teachers that were. old hippies, they're like, "Man, this. cat's sick.". >> Oh, dude. Yeah. If your teacher, if they. if you're if you're into something that. they're into kind of or they think. there's something a little bit different. about you, I think it makes sense that a. teacher would be like, "Oh, this kid's. cool. There's something going on with. this kid. I'm curious to see." Like we. had this teacher named Miss Plesh and. she was cool, man. She was like our. poetry teacher. And we go in there and. it was like all the misfit kind of kids. were in there and you'd have like you.

know people that just wore extra. lipstick on different parts of their. face and [ __ ] and like um and uh and we. go in there and we got to write poetry. and it was kind of this weird group like. well not weird but it was just like this. like um. I don't know it was this group of it was. just different than the norm and it was. like a place where it felt like okay I. could share how I feel and there wasn't. any other place in school really to do. that like in regular school, you know, like unless you were talking like. one-on-one with a buddy, but just like.

to go in there and write poems and like. think of things together and you'd go in. there and like they'd have a lot of like. some of some kids that were in kind of. like I don't want to say school shooty. garb or whatever, but just like you know. we'd have like kids wearing like uh I'm. trying to think of um it'd be like. sometimes like trench coaty or let's. like. >> big combat boots and stuff. >> Yeah, combat boots, dude. Or we'd have. like um Doc Martens, right? And the. higher the Doc Martin like kind of the. like it got to a level where it was like. normal kind of wild and then just like.

and then like some of it was like kind. of perverse or whatever. I think a. little bit. >> like way up to the thigh. >> Yeah. Like way up to the cooter even you. know it's like damn dude. >> You definitely ain't no hood hopper. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You ain't no ranker. >> But it would just be like I don't know. And then you'd see like a they'd have. like a hippie girl in there who never. wore a bra and that would make you. [ __ ] go to class every single day, bro. Cuz you could just if you closed. your eyes, you could just hear her tits,

you know? Like it was just that age. Remember when you had that much hormones. when you were in high school? If you. closed your eyes, you could just hear. somebody's tits, dude. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ]. >> Yeah. They sound so soft. >> Oh, welcome to Ohio, brother. Yeah. I just feel like that's the most Ohio. thing ever. Um, dude, thanks so much, man. I'm excited about your new album. Can you just tell me like one or two. things about it? I I've read somewhere. that it's a um that it's in honor of. your mother. >> Yeah. Um,

you know, I think a lot of it, you know, I was writing when shortly after she. passed and stuff, so yeah, it's kind of. dedicated to her. And, um, it's kind of. an interesting thing. I mean, I I I. kept wanting to call it so much for. goodbyes, and I just I was thinking. about that for a while, and because I. didn't get a chance to say goodbye to my. mother. >> So, that's kind of how I thought about. it. I was like, well, so much for. goodbyes, you know, I guess I'm not. going to get a chance to say bye. And.

when I I brought it up to my manager, I. said, I think I'm going to call the. record so much for goodbyes. And he was. like, man, that's cool. It's like, you. know, cuz it's not really goodbye. It's. just like farewell for now, right? >> And I was like, that's not really how I. was thinking of it. But yeah, that's. kind of more positive thing. Um. >> Yeah. Like so much for goodbyes. Like it. doesn't even that doesn't matter. >> Yeah, cuz it's, you know, she's still. kind of with me no matter what. >> Oh, I'm sure she's hitchhiking, dude. She might have just got tired of kind of. rocking around this galaxy. She might.

have just be hitchhiking out there. >> She's probably in Sedona somewhere in. some, you know. Oh, she's probably. freaking nested up in a windchime. somewhere [ __ ] living it up. >> Yeah, totally. >> You know? >> Yeah. >> But I do believe that when we think. about other people, when we speak their. name out loud, when we make music for. them, when we pray for them, I believe. that people can feel all of that. >> Yeah. >> I don't really even doubt it because it. just feels so um bigger than us. >> Yeah.

you know, right after she died, I kept. there were so many little things that I. would feel, you know, like. just these like certain animals would. come around or whatever and like a. dragonfly or I'd see a dough with like. two fawns and I'm like, man, that it. would just break my heart, you know what. I mean? It's like that's my mom and. that's me and my brother or whatever, you know? >> And it at for a minute there it was like. pissing me off. It's like I don't want. to [ __ ] dragonfly. Like I want my. mom, you know? Yeah, >> like [ __ ] that dragonfly, you know. But.

now I like I look for those things, you. know, a cloud or whatever it is, just. the way the breeze feels. Um, but my. mom, she was an amazing artist. She. would constantly be calling me saying, "Hey, I took this hub cap and glued this. to that and I made this little alien, you know, battle and I I did this and. you know, and so she always made this. stuff and this was actually the piece. that she was working on the night that. she died because she was always going to.

make the next record cover. That was. kind of our deal.". Um, so this this thing that's in the. frame with the hand and the the little. crystal ball and stuff like that, it was. unfinished. Um, so we we kind of like. filled the back end with some portraits. and stuff like that, but but this was. the last piece that she was working on, >> right? >> And it kind of encap it really in, you. know, it it gives her essence of just. kind of how she was. I mean, she was she.

was like a million little things all. glued together. >> and um very iridescent and um so that's. the art that we chose for the cover and. >> um you know she got to make the the. record cover like she wanted to so. stoked on that and yeah the songs I. think a lot of them are about. um just kind of what I was feeling at. the time and um you know there's a tune.

on there called wrestling playing an. Angel. There's one called Still I Crash, which is like pretty much me. Exactly. I. think I wrote that like a days after she. passed. Um, just like me speaking to. her, you know, talking about. >> how I just feel like I'm I got to learn. how to walk all over again. >> You know, I feel like a baby deer and my. legs are all wobbly and. >> I'm just trying to learn how to stand up. on my own this time, you know, without. her. and [ __ ]. >> It's uh, you know, so it's a pretty a.

deep record, but there's some good stuff. on there. You know, there's some. bluegrass on there and um that Miltown. flood that's like a real there's like. some real characters that really were. from Muer back in the day and stuff. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, I grew up in. Mure, Michigan, which is like. >> Yeah, I remember you talking about that. >> Yeah. It's like there's like 600 people. that lived there or something. And. nowadays, it's kind of like a little. just a tiny little town. doesn't have. that much popping. But back in the. 1800s, it was like kind of popping, you.

know, like there was like this whole. little strip and they had these um. gristle mills and sawmills and um they. would float the logs down the Grand. River down to the sawmill and then. they'd chop it all up and then when the. um the the railroad came through there, then they could put all that lumber on. the railroad and ship it out to, you. know, Milwaukee or whatever. Yeah. >> And um and so it it was a hustling a. hustling little place. There was this.

guy named Darwin Lion. He was the. station agent at the the Grand Trunk uh. railroads. Montrose station which was later named. Muer. Um but yeah, so he was the station. agent there in Muer. And this family, the Blanchard family was like some of. the first people that like settled there. and started, you know, making [ __ ]. happen. And so I like used some of those. characters and then um kind of made this.

like sort of fictional story about some. actual non-fictional characters, you. know? >> Mh. >> So I I like that tune. I think that was. a cool thing. And I just I've been. infatuated with like the history of the. area of like you know just the Grand. River Valley. >> Um. >> well I know you have you have a concert. you have your year uh freak fair. Is it. freakfest? >> The I own your freak fair. Yeah. >> Yeah. I own your freak fair. And that's. something you're you started right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That but I just think it's awesome.

to create something that people from. your area can be a part of, you know, like um. >> Oh man, I've been trying to do this for. years. I've been wanting to bring a. festival to my hometown for a while now. >> But yeah, we got a bunch of good bands. coming. Uh, you know, Green Sky, Leftover Sammons, Sierra Ho, >> Michael Cleveland, and the Flamekeeper. >> Yep. Lind Lindsy Lou. And then we're. going to have like a um this tent where. we're going to have some metal bands. Bane, Kryptopsy, Flesh and Blood, Robot,

See You Next Tuesday, For the Fallen. Dreams. Some of these bands I used to. run around with uh back in the day when. I played in metal bands and stuff. >> Go full cord. >> Yeah, >> dude. That's so cool, bro. What a great. thing to just bring to your area. Just a. great weekend of music. >> It's going to be sick. >> Um that's like in two That's like in. freaking two weeks. >> Yeah, man. It's going to be awesome. >> Hell yeah. >> Yeah, dude. Thanks so much, man. just. for catching up today and stuff for. inviting us here like just to be in. Grand Rapids like um it's cool man. I.

remember when I came here uh we did a. show here and it was great. I actually. have a friend named Paul that lives here. that I just realized on the way in town. I don't know if I'm going to be able to. get to see him but um. >> love you Paul. I remember when I used to. work he and I was dishwasher. He and I. was um bus boys at this restaurant and I. found a uh Abbey Road cassette tape. It. was the first time I'd ever heard the. Beatles and I put it in my in my I had a. 84 Ford Escort. I put it in there, dude. And I listened to that for probably.

three years, dude. >> Yeah. I just saw your film Bus Boys. >> Oh, you saw it? >> I loved it. >> Did you? >> Yeah, I laughed my ass off, dude. So, I. didn't know you were an actual bus boy. at one point. >> Oh, yeah, bro. I was in the trenches, dude. I was one of the first bus boys to. use creatine regularly. >> I was, man. We [ __ ] did a good job on. it, bro. There wasn't a [ __ ] dish, dude. I'll say this. West of the. Mississippi, there wasn't a dish that I.

couldn't that I couldn't [ __ ] with. >> Yeah, >> I was [ __ ] good, bro. I was good. I. loved it so much. And then I think I got. caught up in drugs that brought me down. a little bit. >> Was it really like that, though? Like. the the servers were like all hot [ __ ]. >> Oh, yeah. Like they were good looking. and [ __ ]. >> And they would all [ __ ] or whatever and. you couldn't you like they looked at you. like you couldn't even hold their. condoms or whatever. >> Oh man. >> So trash, dude. >> Dang it. >> I know. But yeah, dude. And we had a.

dude, bro. We had this dude named um. Todd. He was they he was like part of. some work release program there in. Arizona. That's where I did it at. And. he would [ __ ] be they had a chain he. would be chained like this [ __ ] pizza. oven that he was over there working. But. they had like a six-foot chain that he. said he couldn't leave like the area or. whatever. Dude, our freaking chef got. busted for buying illegal shrimp. One. day like the like I guess the food and. beverage like if you go high enough in. that department some of them get guns or. whatever cuz they came running in, bro.

Kicked open the back door. They had. everybody on the ground and they like. busted the place for like buying illegal. shrimp. Cameron and I was like what the. [ __ ] is going on? >> Wow. >> But yeah, bro. Thanks for checking it. out, dude. It was a It was um It was. crazy to make it, dude. We went through. so much. >> Yeah. >> But I think I would do something fun. again like that, >> dude. You should. It was awesome, man. >> I love that. >> We did it all ourselves. >> Yeah. Yeah. And to make a film with. David Spay, probably a. >> Oh, dude. >> Dream come true, right?

>> I can't even. >> I mean, we all grew up on [ __ ] Joe. Dirt. Oh, >> dude. He shot He did Joe Dirt. Uh, I. think they did Joe Dirt 2 and they shot. it in Coington, Louisiana, which is. oddly enough the town that I grew up in. >> No [ __ ]. >> Yeah. And then years later and I he. became friends and he's shooting uh. Grown-Ups 3 right now out of New Jersey. But. >> dude, I used to love just. how just mean everybody is to Joe Dirt, dude. It's such [ __ ] Like the very.

first scene he like pulls up and you. know the guy's like why don't you just. drive this piece of [ __ ] off cliff and. do us all a favor you know and then kid. kid rock's like such a dick to him. >> This leopard [ __ ] sucks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, dude. And the crazy part is is uh. that that them knowing each other is one. of the reasons that I even got to meet. uh Kid Rock. So it just it just I don't. know. Life's the weirdest thing, isn't. it? It is weird. >> Isn't it the weirdest thing?

>> I mean, yeah, it's. I feel like my life definitely is, but I. feel like probably everybody feels that. way. >> Yeah. >> Um. >> I think it's true. >> I think if you get out and try and just. push yourself into life that there's. like. >> things happen. these these pathways, they connect and there's there's all. these circles that eventually you run. back into the other side of that other. circle or something, you know? >> Yeah. Dreams get weaved, man.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Dreams get weaved, dude. Um, we if you. feel comfortable, you want to play a. song for us on the way out? >> Sure. >> Is there something? Um, I want to ask. you, too. I have a couple questions. really quick. We have a quick segment. that we do with Mountain Dew since you. brought it up so many times. Can I ask. you one or two questions? Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. >> What should I give this try, bro? >> Yeah, it's sugarfree. >> I haven't had Mountain Dew in [ __ ]. years.

>> Here you go. >> Yeah. >> Hell yeah. >> It's good. >> Wow. It's been That's a blast from the. past. Not even Baja. >> Oh, yeah. >> Just regular. Remember when they came. out with Code Red, dude? And people were. like, "This is for Valentine's only or. whatever, like rich people or whatever.". >> Yeah, Code Red is like [ __ ] That's. like chewing five gum. >> Yeah,

it's good. >> No sugar. Don't even have to worry about. it. >> That zero sugar is kind of a vibe, too. Same feeling. No sugar. >> It actually just tastes like Mountain. Dew. >> Yeah. Um, did you ever go to summer. camp? >> No, I never went to summer camp. Um I. don't even know. I didn't even know that was an option. >> Yeah. >> But I did one time our school um when I. was in like sixth grade I think took us. to like this like winter camp and that.

was like you know we were all like. sledding and [ __ ] and uh I remember me. and Mike Borton and Travis Rogers were. always trying to go like sneak over and. see these girls in their cabin and [ __ ]. Yeah, >> I remember like who was it back in the. day? Marissa Smith. Oh god. >> Anna Conrad and uh like Risha Renucci. and stuff. >> Oh, the Reucci girls were dimes, bro. >> I don't know him, but I just know I can. only imagine and I like to imagine, you. know. So,

>> I had a big crush on uh Marissa Smith, but I was too shy. And. >> bro, >> just way too shy, bro. >> Dude, I had a freaking crush on this one. girl. Um, this one girl, Amanda, dude, I had. the [ __ ] biggest crush on her. This. girl, I had a crush on her, dude. And I. only only thing I could do, I drew. pictures of her on my wall at home all. the time. And my mom got so pissed, you know, my. mom ended up spanking me pretty bad for. it one time. >> Wow.

>> And it was so sad because I was like I. like loved her so much and then I would. just ended up getting like spanked for. it or whatever or beaten or whatever. I. don't want to say beaten because you. can't say it anymore, but we used to. call it beaten. So, but dang. Yeah. Winter camp. >> Yeah. Never. Yeah. Winter camp. That's. kind of what it was. But a couple of my. friends, uh, my friend Matt and my. friend Brendan just dropped their kids. off for summer camp just recently. >> Yeah. >> And so they're they're out there having. fun. >> Yeah. Dude, I wish I had gone to summer.

camp. We we went to like YMCA summer. camp, but everybody got really bad. allergies. I think the field they put us. in. >> was like the worst pollen fields. >> Yes. It was like it was just like a. right on the edge of a pine forest and. like the whole thing was just so much. pollen and people you try to play. kickball but like 2 minutes into the. game people couldn't even see or play. Like it was people just standing around. in the sun. Dude, I remember this one. kid his allergy would get so bad he. would just put his hands straight up in. the air.

almost like the cops were like the cops. were getting him or whatever. But dude, it would be so bad. And then. we had to eat these hot lunches cuz. there was nowhere to keep our lunches. cold. So we had to eat like these like. just like bologn and cheese like and it. was just like you would just sweat all. day and then your mom would finally come. get you. Like in the beginning you would. be excited and at the end you like. please mom come get me. And they had one. kid who was kind of like mentally. challenged or whatever but he would do. he would moonwalk all day. >> and in the morning everybody's like. you're a loser. by the end of the end of.

the day, everybody's just like watching. him dance and [ __ ]. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um, if you were doing a road trip, this. is the last question I have. If you were. doing a road trip, what small town uh. would you go to or would you suggest. someone go to? >> Oh, I have to think about this for a moment. >> Yeah. Is there a nice one in Michigan? I know there are, but is there a nice. one that you suggest? I mean,

>> oh, like um. I mean there's so many small towns. around here. Like if you drive in any. direction, you're going to find like. these tiny little towns that have been. there for ages, but they're just tiny. Like there's one called Sparta, um. you know, Greenville, Belding, and. stuff. But honestly, >> Ionia is a nice one. I was going to say. Muer. Uh, you know, but that's I'm I'm. obviously biased, but okay. It's a.

beautiful place. I mean, it's the Maple. River runs through there and it's it's a. tiny little town. There's there's some. history there. There's not much there. You might get uh all the copper wires. stolen out of your vehicle or something. >> Good. They need it. >> Yeah. Village of Mirror right there. Show it to me. Well, dude, my town. Coington, Louisiana is a small town, but. dude, I went back not long ago and I was. just walking around downtown. It's. great. >> Yeah, >> there's a lot of like nice like first of.

all, there's a lot of great people and. it's it's changing and I didn't I didn't. know if I expected that when I was. growing up there. Like it's always been. a place with like great storytelling and. just like like kind of mystery and stuff. like that and intrigue, but it's turned. into like the most beautiful little. town. Village of Mirror right there. Is that you? Right there, Billy. >> That is Yeah. Stop. They put this sign. up that says, >> "Nuhuh. >> Hometown of Grammy winner Billy. Strings.". >> That says 2021, but they need to put. three time on there now.

>> Let's update that sign. Mure. >> I'm going to donate to the coffers over. there in Mur so they have enough money. to update that sign. Dude, no joke. We're going to reach out to the uh we're. going to reach out to the city council. over there and see if we can't get that. >> updated. Dude, that's awesome. We could. buy the, you know, village market and. turn it into a titty bar or something. I. think that'd be probably a good venture. >> Oh, yeah. As long as we keep some of. like the produce section or something. I. mean, I want people to still be able to.

get fresh stuff. >> Hell yeah. >> You know. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I'm not saying the cities won't be. fresh, but you know, it's TBD, man. >> Yeah. I mean, it'll be something. There. might be some kind of pirateesque kind. of things going on. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Um, yeah. You you want to. you want to play one on the way out for. us? You don't feel feel like you have to. though that we can also just call it a. day. >> Yeah, I'd love to, man. >> Would you really, dude? >> Yeah. >> Let's go.

Heck yeah, dude.

Yeah, man. Uh, let's see. I was thinking about this tune because. we were talking about the village market. and. kind of made me hungry. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, uh maybe we'll go get. something to eat after this, but this. will get us in the mood. >> All right.

Shoulder up the gun and whistle up the. dog. Shoulder up the gun and whistle up. the dog. Off to the woods for to catch a.

groundhog. Oh, groundhog. Run here s with a snicker and a grin. Run here s with a snicker and a grin. Groundhog grease all over her chin. Oh, ground.

Run here s with a 10ft pole. Run here s. with a 10ft pole. Twist that whistle pig. out of his hole. Oh, ground hole. There's meat in the covered in butter. and the churn. Meat in the covered in. butter and the churn. If that ain't. groundhog, I'll be darn. Oh ground.

There's a little piece of cornbread. laying on the shelf. Little piece of. cornbread laying on the shelf. You want. any more? You can take it yourself. Oh. man.

Going to eat up the meat and save the. hide. Eat up the meat and save the hide. The best damn sho string that ever was. tied. Oh ground.

Oh, look at the fellas. They're about to. fall. Look at the fellas. They're about. to fall. They eat till the bridges won't. button at all. Oh,

shoulder up the gun and whistle up the. dog. Shoulder up the gun and whistle up. the dog. Off to the woods for to catch a. groundhog. Oh, brown heart. Oh, brown heart.

Oh, brown. Let's go. >> Groundhog, baby. >> God, you think they're good? Would you. try one? >> Yeah, >> I would too. >> Got hog in it. >> You know, it's not probably why. You. know, I'd go in there with a bacon. mindset probably to be honest with you. I'd hate that.

>> Yeah, I bet they're nice and greasy. >> They kind of get off easy though, having. a in their name. >> and not being like accosted for it, you. know, not being put in that place. Um, >> heck yeah. >> Thank you, dude. Thank you, man. >> Appreciate you, brother. Thank you. >> I appreciate you, too, man. Thank you so. much. >> Of course. >> Um, anything else that you want to talk. about or anything else you want to play? Do you feel like.

I could try one off the new record? >> Yeah. if you feel okay but you don't. feel like you have to. >> Let's see. So, you know, I was talking about Mure and how I just. get kind of obsessed with that place and. just that whole Grand River Valley. there. And uh.

you ever go driving through your old. hometown and just like look at your old. haunts and just kind of get flooded with. these memories? I'm I'm one of those like real nostalgic. types. >> Oh, I love nostalgia, man. >> Yeah. >> So, I have this tune that's called that. >> It's called I'm one of those.

I'm looking for the place I used to. live. I've been driving up and down this road, trying to bring back old memories. For. one reason or another, I let go.

I'm one of those. I'm looking for the. turn. where the river used to make a bend. But it's been too long and I'm afraid to. try to find that place again. I'm one of those. Guess I have too much. time on my hands. I'm one of those. I. could not find a place that I can land.

I hope you don't. But if you do, you'll. probably understand. That's how it goes. I'm one of those. I've got a thing for shuffling the bed,

leaving town in the cover of the night. Stop the ties that bind me. If I don't, I know I'll end up in a fight. Now, could I go back to the place I love. to dwell? Where we sang our song and pass the jug. around? Well, I wish to all the ghost that. wander back across this road I'm. strolling down.

I'm one of those. I guess I had too much. time on my hands. I'm one of those. I. could not find a place that I could. land. I hope you don't, but if you do, you'll probably understand. That's how. it goes. I'm one of those.

Let's go. Let's go.

It's hard for folks to see through my. disguise. I'm not home, but I can still pretend. And if I went and left you crying, I. might have to circle back this way. again. I'm one of those. Guess I had too much.

time on my hands on one of those. I. could not find a place that I could. land. I hope you don't. But if you do, you'll probably understand. That's how. it goes. I'm one of those. I'm one of those.

>> I'm one of those, man. Dude, that's. magnificent, bro. >> Oh, thanks, man. >> Thank you so much, man. >> So much for Goodbye. >> So much for Goodbye. Comes out August. 28th. Yeah. >> Um, >> dude, that's so exciting, man. Dude, I'm. one of those, man. I'm one of those sometimes I spent so. much time in the past and I just don't. you know. >> but a certain point you start missing. out too much. >> Yeah, I know. You got to look through.

the windshield, you know, instead of in. the rear view all the time. >> Yeah, they say that's why it's bigger. Somebody said that. I don't know who. said that. >> Yeah. Oh, you like nicking daddy's hand. and giving everybody kisses. >> Yeah, this thing just is the best date. I've been on in a while. just. so much for goodbyes. That's out August. uh 28th, man. With your mom's beautiful. artwork right there. >> Yep. >> What a creative lady. What a creative. family, man. You know,

>> hell yeah. >> What a creative family you're a part of. And uh. I'm trying to think on the first one I.

did cocaine blues. Cocaine. >> cocaine. >> There is this little one though. I could. add it on there even just for just for. fun since we're sitting here. >> All right.

I've got the blues. Those Nashville. blues. I've got the blues. The Nashville. blues. I ain't got no hat, ain't got no. shoes. These people here, they treat me. fine. These people here, they treat me. fine. They feed me beer and they feed me.

wine. Cuz I've got the blues. Those. Nashville blues. I've got the blues. Those Nashville blues. I ain't got no. hair. Ain't got no shoes.

I'm going back down Arkansas. I'm going back to Arkansas. I'm going to. stay right there with them and Paul cuz. I've got the blues. Those Nashville. blues. I've got the blues. those. Nashville. I ain't got no hair, ain't got no shoes.

Oh, I've got the blues. Those Nashville. blues. I've got the blues. Those.

Nashville blues. Ain't got no hair. Ain't got no shoes. So much for goodby man. >> I ain't got no hat or shoes, Bear. He. don't got no shoes or no hat. He don't. even have a car on right now. >> Oh, what a pleasure, man. Dude, Billy, thank you so much, bro.

>> Thanks for coming. This is man just what. a gift today to be able to just sit and. spend time with you to um kind of go. through whatever's been happening in. your life and you just share stories so. well man. You're just like I don't know. you're like a poor you're kind of like. this connector piece to the other side. man. It's nice. So. >> thank you man. Well I appreciate it and. I'm glad. >> I'm glad you're doing this road trip man. and was able to swing on up through my. stomping grounds a little bit. It's kind. of nice to to have you here in Grand. Rapids man. >> Yeah we appreciate it man. And uh.

yeah, and good luck with uh Freakfest. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah. And good luck with Freakfest. And um Billy Strings, man. Can't thank you enough, dude. >> All right. >> I can't thank you enough. >> Keep your stick on the ice. >> Yeah. >> Don't let your meatloaf. Watch your top knot. Keep it greasy side down. >> Yeah. Greasy side. Oh, I think both. sides are greasy, but we'll we'll do our.

best, man. >> Get in bed by midnight. Come home. >> Yeah. >> Stay out of the tall weeds. >> Yeah. You're a gift to this world, man. And you're a gift to us today. Thank you. so much, brother. >> Thank you. All righty. Now, I'm just. floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm. falling like these leaves. I must be. corner stone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll. share this peace of mind I found. I can.

feel it.