Ben Affleck | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #578

Today's guest is an actor, a writer, a. director. He's won an Oscar award. You. know his movies like Goodwill Hunting, Gone Girl, Batman. The list goes on. He. has a new film, The Accountant 2. It's. in theaters this Friday with John. Bernthal. You may have seen the first. one. I had a great time uh getting to. know him. Today's guest is Mr. Ben. Affleck. I know. me and I will find a song I've been.

singing. [Applause]. Yeah, I lost my I wonder if you lose. vanity as you get a little bit older. Like not you, but like do pe what does. that? I don't know. I see some people. like I don't know. It's hard to tell cuz. that, you know, you see some people like. doing crazy looking things and you think. like that looks crazy. Why are you. trying to look 18 years old? You know.

what I mean? Um. on Celebrity Big Brother right now. Who's that guy? He kind of looks like. Jack Sparrow. I don't know. I don't know. what you're talking about, but I can. imagine lot you know what I mean? You. kind of can like a lose I think you can. go one of two ways. Like if you see. yourself all the time and especially if. like the way you make a living is by. kind of in part the way you look or. whatever it feels like you know people. can get like obsessed with it. You know. what I mean? Yeah. That's kind of who I. was thinking of Mickey Roor I think.

Yeah. No no judgment against him but he. tra you know it's like you can it's. definitely an active Yeah. Some people. it's like an active thing and then. you're in a real kind of like conundrum. with yourself because you have to get. old. you you would constantly be feeling. like afraid to get older, I guess, or. you'd be in like in a Yeah, I think it's. a tricky thing, right? Like you you. know, nobody wants to get older, right? Cuz what it means is like you're going. to die and nobody wants to really face. that. And also, you just find out like. you know I I you know 50 man you'll when.

you get there you'll see like just. regular [ __ ] that used to be normal. hurts. Like moving around you're like. damn what what happened to me today? You're like I why does my back hurt? Oh. cuz I got up and then I sat back down. You know what I mean? Yeah. I petted a. small dog, which creates like small. injuries all the time, you know, and so. you start to get a little bit that that. can kind of affect you. And I think if. you um I think part of it you got to. just get comfortable with the fact that, you know, and I guess I'm lucky cuz I'm. I don't feel like oh [ __ ] I better look. young and you know, kind of am who I am.

and and um I'm all right with that. And. also kind of what I what I like what I'm. interested in more and more is stuff. that doesn't necessarily involve like. how I look like that pressure. I think. like for women I for for anybody who's. sees himself all the time it it's like I. think that can turn into like a a. vicious cycle of uh trying to look at. [ __ ] and fix it or look younger or. something. Uh whereas like you don't. have to look any kind of way to direct. movies, you know what I mean? Or or have. a business, you know? So I'm I guess I'm.

lucky. Do you It's hard to know if you. It would seem like you seem like a guy. who likes being in Hollywood or doesn't. like being in Hollywood. I guess there's. things I really like about it and things. I really don't like, right? And I wish. they didn't have to be together, but. they are, right? Like it's kind of life. It's there's you got to take the good. with the bad. I don't really like to. like do big social events or go out. much. I'm kind of sh I don't really want. to be on camera. Certainly when I'm like. in my regular life and I'm walking. around in my, you know, whatever.

underwear and t-shirt and sweat, I don't. want people looking at me. I like my. family and my kids and my life. I I wish. that were more private. I don't I don't. know how many people really want to be. sort of scrutinized in that way, but I I. really like making movies and I like. telling those stories. And so, look, the. truth is I always knew that was kind of. a part of it. And so, you know, I deal. with it. I don't there's things I I. don't love about um this business, a lot. of them. You know, it can make you kind. of crazy, you know, it can record and.

there's stuff that's just no fun for me, like, you know, events and shows and. stuff like that. I don't Some people. really know how to have a good time. I. wish I I did. I wish I was out there. like great, we're going to hit it and. I'm going to You know what I mean? Like. as if I had that attitude, I'd probably. be happier about it. Yeah. You know what. I mean? Oh, yeah. Dude, I'm always. trapped inside of myself. There's always. like a lot of dis like some people like, "You don't like being in a crowd." I'm. like, "I have a crowd inside of me right. now." There's a crowd in my head is busy. enough. I got 30 people in here and. we're out of. orders. So, I I got enough [ __ ].

problems on the interior right now. Um, so I can to dude I can totally h I can. totally relate to that and every time. there is a an uh and then we'll get off. this. I want to talk I know you I want. to talk to you about directing and. acting but um because yeah I was just I. was like this bit is so cuz they always. get pictures of you where you seem like. you're like the the the dwarf that like. is kind of like the backup dwarf, you. know, like you're on the side, you're. smoking, you're like what is that guy? I. didn't I don't know that character, but. like is he pissed? I think he's a little.

pissed. Yeah, he's understudy. He's the. understudy dwarf. Okay. But and not. dwarf like you're a regular heighted. guy, but it's like but I and I shouldn't. have said dwarf. I shouldn't say. anything. But it was like um I don't. know. They all and it's like they only. put this chronology out of you that. makes you seem like you're kind of. bummed. Well, here's the thing. Um if. the only time like when somebody's. taking a picture of me, I'm bummed. because usually I'm with my kids. I'm. trying to go somewhere and then there's. four guys. We're like and I'm like, "Hey. man, every time can you give me some. time? I'm trying to be with my kids. I'm. do you mind? Can you you know what I.

mean?" So the look on your face is kind. of like and then they go away not taking. the picture. You go inside and you're. having a good time. But it's this. selective experience of like take a. picture of somebody every time they're. feeling irritated. They're going to look. irritated. Especially if you're the one. irritating them. Yeah. It's like I'll. come piss you off and then take your. picture and then put and then be like. look how pissed off you piss off. Exactly. That's exactly what that's. exactly what that whole system is. really. Right. But it and it's like. useful because that's why like you know. I'm sure you've seen on all the stuff. like the you know it's kind of the idea.

is like follow somebody around. antagonize them and then hopefully. they'll have like a nervous breakdown. and go crazy on you and then your video. will be worth more money you know. Yeah. It's such a It's that whole thing gets. really black mirror-ish, man. you know, it really gets kind of like um like I. can remember a I a long time ago, you. know, years and years ago, like I really. had a lot of empathy for Britney Spears. because I remember that it seemed like. it's not somebody that I I knew or hung. out with, but I just like everybody.

else, you see all this [ __ ] that comes. through and I but having had my own. experiences myself, I knew like these. are people are following her around in a. time where she may or may not have been. having difficulty. I don't know cuz I. don't know her. But I do know that the. the cycle of having people harang you. and yell at you and hassle you and. follow you. It kind of seemed like that. itself was kind of whipping up the whole. thing into a tizzy. So it's it's and I. like they're not helping. Well, yeah. And they're kind of poking a stick at it. and going look look at it. Look. And.

it's it that's where it felt kind of. like that's the first time I thought. this is kind of a a weird kind of um. unintentional I think culturally but. kind of collective cruelty where what's. taken out of the image that you see are. the people around you know waving the. stick at the tiger or poking on it or. whatever. Um and all you see is the the. growling animal or whatever it is. Um, but like that a part of that is because.

somebody's coming around and, you know, hitting on it or whatever to make it get. active. And that's where you think, okay, well, this isn't really news. It's. not even real. It's not what would be. happening if this effect wasn't taking. place. And and that's where I thought, okay, you know, the the sort of wise. thing to do is to just sort of like. maintain one's perspective and try to. remove yourself a little bit. It. doesn't, which is what I would like to. do. I think there's this sense that like. that like if you see someone's picture. all the time, they must want you to be. seeing it, right? Which is not the case.

at all for me. I'm self-conscious. I. don't really want you to be seeing that. I don't see any reason for it. As an. actor, it's no good for you because I. don't really want people if they watch a. movie to be like, "That's not him cuz I. saw him yesterday eating lunch and I. know he's who he really is." It it gets. in the way of you being able to create. like the illusion. It's really hard work. to create the illusion that this person, like the character in The Count, for. example, is a real person in a real. circumstance. And in order to get the. audience to care about it, to laugh, to.

find it exciting and empathize with the. character, they have to suspend. disbelief. That's harder if you're. constantly being shown something else. So, I think it it gets in the way. It. makes it harder to to be an actor. And. it's also just it's also not good for. you. people start to resent you if they. see you too much. No matter whether or. not you're trying to be seen, no, I. don't want to do this. And nonetheless, like I remember 20 years ago going. through an experience where was like it. feels to the world like I'm trying to. shove myself in their face. And nobody.

likes that, right? Nobody wants to be. the like the the camera hog, the guy. who's trying to get a bunch of Ben. Affleck shoes or whatever. I'm like, man, you just leave me alone and I'd be. I would be much happier. So in a way it. also can damage your career. Although I. think it's I don't pretend to understand. the nuances and the of social media and. how to manage that as a celebrity. So I. don't do it. Some people do it really. well. But and I think there is a. difference now because like it's like if. you have 100 million followers that's.

actually valuable and meaningful in a. different way. I still I'm kind of old. school I guess in a way of see I think. I'm middle school. Yes. Exact. I am a. seventh grader. That's true. Oh, dude. Yeah. I don't even think I don't even. know if I graduated that when some of. them they let you skip, I guess, if. you're, you know, depending on what. county you're in. Sometimes they hold. you back. Um, sometimes they hold you. back, dude. Bro, the scariest thing was. when like the dumb bully kid got held. back and you're like and you had to. stick around in your grade and dude,

they were like, "Bro, I remember we got. word the kids 610 and in in like sixth. grade.". Dude, we got word that Damian had gotten. held back and people were like, "Oh, hell no, dude. We cannot do Damian. again. Hold me back, too. We cannot do. Damian again." Like, Damian has to go. out to pastor wherever they put these. kids that leave sixth grade. And they're. like, "Damn's coming back. Finish their. education. Shut him down, dude. Tase him or.

something." You know, put a tire spike. when he's leaving out of his driveway in. the morning. But Damian cannot come. back. Um, but yeah, it is interesting. and it is kind of a sickness. I think a. lot of people see that stuff as a. sickness these days. Um, but I do think. it's fascinating about the suspension of. disbelief and that that was something. that used to be amazing about. celebrities is like you never got to see. them, right? And so you only got to see. them and actors and you only got to see. them on screen and in this way and so. you really envision them that way. I. mean, you would almost be shocked if you.

saw a celebrity in person or or an actor. in person uh who didn't like like. Indiana Jones if he didn't have his. head. I was just going to say that is. that when I was a kid, I kind of thought. Harrison Ford was that guy. You know. what I mean? Like and it that's Harrison. Ford. I think he's probably the biggest, you know, movie star of my childhood and. whether it was like, you know, Indiana. Jones or or Star Wars, like he was the. guy and I kind of thought he was that. guy. And so it's a little weird to see. that guy just like, you know, in his. sneakers and his kind of raincoat. walking around Brentwood. It's sort of.

like, of course, it's disappointing or. or it's disillusioning or something. because you you have this thing in your. mind that's people went to a, you know, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas went. to a whole, you know, use all their. talent, went to a bunch of work to make. this dude look like Indiana Jones and. Han Solo. And I I think what I've seen. now is like I actually don't even want. to see like the actors that I really. like. I don't want to go on your social. because I don't want to know what you. had for lunch cuz it just makes it. harder for me to get into like what you. know what you're doing. Um I love that.

and that's I think that is a real. directorial way to think I think. I mean. I can see that in your brain. I mean I'm. just a judge. I'm just a guy judging. you. They just met in a room somewhere. But. um but I never thought about that that. that's how it is that Yeah. You don't. want you want them kind of you want. to Hollywood has almost bitten its own. tail in that way because there's this. underlying like valueless current really. that's kind of like a very cheap. currency. It's Hollywood. It's it's it's.

Hollywood sort of adjacent which is this. sort of media culture that that profits. from and circles and there's a symbiotic. relationship between Hollywood and. obviously like here I am promoting my. movie and running around and now I don't. want to go on like a tabloid and do that. or whatever it is but that that becomes. part of that culture too and and then. you have like any interview show or all. these and and you're right in a sense it. is Hollywood because if you do a movie. at Universal you know you'll see that. person's doing all NBC Comcast owned,

you know, talk shows and appearances, right? Like it's not a a coincidence. because when they do their presentation. in the boardroom for Comcast to their. shareholders, they go, "Look, we make. these movies, we spend a lot of money, and then we get the stars and we plug. them into all of our other shows that we. also own, and there's a lot of synergy, so on so forth." The the idea though is. like, okay, there's that's a a kind of a. tax that you end up sort of paying on. your sort of life and the one and on. this thing that you're trying to build, which is something that connects with.

people and moves them and that they want. to go out to a [ __ ] movie theater and. pay good money to see and it it makes it. a little bit harder then to have to kind. of go around and do all that other stuff. and be like, "Okay, well, that's not who. I really am." and that's and and and to. try to sort of be interesting and and. relevant in some other way that isn't. really what you kind of even wanted to. do. And so so you're right, it's sort of. part Hollywood and also kind of. Hollywood adjacent. It is eating its it.

does eat its tail in a way because it's. because the acting and the creation it's. like a watch looking at the beauty of a. lake, right? is like this is picturesque. and this is like how they meant the. waves to look and there's a current here. and there's an inflow and outflow and. something landed in the water over here. and left a ripple and something else is. this is the bee story and there's a. ripple but then it's this under it's. this all this stuff under it and it's. almost starting to like kind of drain. its own lake in a way it's a good. metaphor yeah like the the movie has the. kind of lake and the underneath of. what's both what goes into it what. happens behind the scenes and also.

what's it does kind of like it's. interesting like yeah is it If you overt. tax it, it lowers the lake and all of a. sudden it doesn't look like a beautiful. lake. It starts to look like like the. the low country marsh and it pulls down. You start to see all black mud around. the edges and the muck and and that's um. yeah, I don't know how to kind of. balance that, but as a as a director, you know, you're right. Like I would say. that's the way the principal way I've. always kind of looked at this stuff. So. it used to be that you you had an actor.

and you had people knew less about them. and now a part of even casting for me is. what do people think or of and expect. this person to do and or be and how can. I both I have to rely on that and use. that but I also have the opportunity to. kind of subvert that in a way and and so. you have to be mindful not just of the. story you're telling um but what does. the audience bring into the theater with. them or or uh when they turn on.

television, you know, expect wow that's. dude that's Yeah, I think that's. advanced thinking to be honest with you. I really do. It's just uh learned by. lived experience mostly, you know, find. out like I even often make mistakes, you. know, like if I sometimes I found if I. sort of uh I did a movie where I had. like a very blonde wig that was like a. medieval Ric Flair or something. I I. wish I was Ric Flair. That would be. spectacular. I'd love to play. It was. actually a good movie. I really liked. it. It was called The Last Duel. The.

point and it was great director Ridley. Scott and he had this idea for it. Oh. yeah, Ridley Scott. And and yeah, there's the thing there. You see? And. and I liked the if that if no one I. think had ever seen me or whatever, I. thought that was really Yeah. interesting. The problem is that people. I think what it did created noise. around, you know, look at this hair. Is. this different? And we know it's a wig. And so now you look at it and you go, but I know he doesn't look like that. And so it causes you to kind of think. it's false. That's an example of kind of. probably not being able to go that far.

away from myself and still have people. go, "Okay, I can sit aside what I know. and just watch this story and and like. it and believe in it." Dude, that's f. that's insider baseball, man. Now I. could It makes total sense. It makes. total sense that that that would start. to affect how we see things. you know, there's something that's happening where. it's hard to get people to believe in. some of these movies, you know, and. people's attention spans have changed. It's just gotten interesting. Yeah. It's. a bunch of things. The the fact that. like even even the online world, for.

example, you see now that like shorter. and shorter and shorter like clips are. what even my son who's constantly. showing me clips of you by the way, he's. always like, you know what I mean? So, it's a nice kid. He's a great kid. Yeah. He's a fabulous kid and he's uh and he's. he now when I watch him like scroll it's. like he doesn't even get through the six. seconds right you know what I mean he's. like you know and he'll like a long. period of time frame is four or five. seconds and it's and then I'm like hey. man you know let's watch this show or.

watch this movie and it's like he gets. bored fast he got to really love. something to sit through it and then he. you know binges like all the episodes. like we just sat through like and. watched you know uh Invincible this. animated show you and then it's like. let's keep going. So it's this weird. dichotomy of on the one hand it's like. no no okay then plug in and like. mainline this one thing and eat it all. up till it's gone and yeah so it's all. it has really changed you didn't used to. be able to to like pause and select or.

even have that much to choose from. Yeah. Like that many choices is. overwhelming to the to the mind. Like we. weren't made I don't believe. evolutionarily and and and as human. beings to like you know we're supposed. to be living in like a village and see. about 100 people in our lifetimes, right? That's the the vast majority of. human history. That's how we did it. And. I still feel like in a way that's how. we're socialized. Um it's why for. example if you're feel left out of a. group it's very painful because like in.

you know thousands of years ago if you. got left out of the the the village the. group whatever and they didn't take you. to hunt you died you needed those people. to live and so so it hits something. really li and even social media for. example you're looking at stuff and you. go damn why is everybody else's life so. good and I'm that seeing the life you're. advertising looks so [ __ ] cool and my. inside life feels like [ __ ] that also is. like a like a basic primal thing and I. think that's what and you know this. stuff kind of touches but but the amount.

of information now that comes in because. really now everybody's a celebrity right. everybody is a celebrity everybody is. followed everybody life is out there and. there's newborns there's four months old. and 1100 followers and it's really a. like 1100 followers is kind of it's just. a it's not any different from. celebrities just a matter of degree but. this is a four month he can't even open. both of his eyes at the same time And. it's like, yeah, exactly. And and that's. kind of become the that as the currency. of, man, that looks great. You know,

that like the currency of like fame in. and of itself as a desirable thing. Like. people go, man, I want to be rich and. famous. Like take rich. Yeah. You know. what I mean? You know, fame is not not. going to make you happy. Yeah. It seems. like it will because it's like, oh, people will like me and know my name and. kind of know who I am and I'll feel like. I've done something. I think a lot of. times what happens is if it doesn't come. with a real sense of like achievement or. accomplishment, it actually feels hollow. and empty and like [ __ ] and and. undeserved. Do you think you wanted to.

start directing because it gave you even. more of a sense of accomplishment? Uh. yeah, I wanted to Is that a weird. question? But does that make any sense? No, it does make sense. I wanted to I. really I didn't I wanted to fail on my. own terms because I had gone through. some movies that where I was like I. don't like this. I don't agree with. this. But you move, you know, you got to. do how it's like being a playing a. football team or whatever. You got to. run the plays that the coach sets up, you know what I mean? They're going to, you know, run a draw play, not get the. ball and, you know, turn around and run. a sweep right because they're not. blocking that way. You know what I mean? It's just that's that's not going to. work, right? So, you that's how the that.

whole art form is sort of structured uh. by and large. And what I found was, you. know, I had a real strong sense of the. way I wanted to do it. And I when it. when it didn't work, when it worked, I I. didn't feel great because it wasn't me. that had that feel, you know, I didn't. feel like I didn't feel proud of it. And. when it didn't work, I just felt pissed. off like [ __ ] I didn't want to [ __ ]. do it. God damn. I I didn't want to, you. know, I I said I knew and that's a. terrible feeling. So I'd rather fail on.

my own terms or succeed on my own terms. And I and that's where I kind of got. into directing. And I always I wanted to. do it even when I was younger. And I. liked I just didn't have the confidence. And a certain point I had kind of had. nothing to lose and that was really what. kind of gave me the courage to take that. leap into directing. You mean? Yeah. Because my like as an actor I sort of I. got real cold and like had a couple of. movies that didn't work and then you. know all of a sudden it can be kind of. over for you. That's why it's a tough. business. [ __ ] yeah, man. Like there's.

no like uh seniority, there's no tenure, there's no, you know, retirement. There's no gold watch. If if your show. doesn't work or your movie doesn't work. and nobody wants to hire you, like. they're just going to hire someone else. You know, it's there's 130,000 people in. SAG and there's only 30,000 people that. work every year, right? And then there's. a even smaller amount of those roles. where you know you have more than two. lines. So it's a very it's very tough, right? And so if you're not people.

aren't watching, they're not coming or. it's not interesting. See you later. And. now it's different because I think the. movie theater, you know, it's like it's. a new attack. I think it takes novel. thinking these days. I think it takes I. think that movies themselves long form. Um I think it's they're going to have to. find some new unless it is like great or. new or so novel they're going to have to. find some new ways to either present it. or edit it. I'm not sure what it is, but.

to me, just as a viewer, it feels like. we're in this shift because so quickly. have people gotten into these quick. moments and it's not even that their. attention span is short, their. commitment. It's like they don't want. it's like I'm not committing. Think. about all the other options that you. had. You're sitting. there when I was a kid and we went out, there wasn't [ __ ] else there was three. channels or nothing on TV and it wasn't. and if you didn't go see the movie in. the theater, you had to wait, you know, a year for it to come out on like VHS or. DVD or whatever it was or cable. And so. you you were kind of in the rumor. You. just had to wait for it to come out in a.

diarama. Like it was bad. Exactly. The. cave painting and [ __ ] How long is it. going to take you to paint this on my. cave or a tattoo? A guy came through. with a tattoo and it told a story. The. whole thing. Yeah. And so you had to. like It looked like a domestic dispute a. lot. But but you're like, "Hey, we you. know there's every there's a story for. everything." But dude, even like this. light Danny McBride gave me this like. two like a month ago or something. This. light it's like a flashlight or. something. Well, this side is just like. a flashlight, right? But the other side. is like a wiener light. Like you can put. like a wiener on something. It has like.

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account is actually plays great it's a. really good movie people love it I've. been you know but I was one where was. like let's make let's test this movie. let's take it out there and I'm like. okay this movie belongs out there. theatrically and there's still it's. still more difficult in the old days. this movie would home run easy obviously. I'm like the movie's Great. It works. great. It's a big smash hit. Now you. have to like, okay, work hard to get it. out there because you because ahead of. time you screen it for people. You see. what they say you and the reaction is. pretty consistent interestingly. So, but. now it's like, you know, I think your. point about uh what you have to do like.

the Minecraft movie or Barbie or you. know, it almost has to become like a. cultural event like where people are. going acting the scenes at like there's. a whole reason to go do it kind of, you. know, really good and and that's really. what I believe. You really believe in. this. This movie is listen, you know, absolutely. Would you come out and say. it was good if it wasn't? Not like that. I would have sort of talk around it or. talk about, well, there's some things I. like about it, but now I wouldn't even. want a movie to go out theatrically. I. didn't think it was going to work. theatrically because it's, you know, I. think, well, it, you know, there's.

people that would watch this on. streaming because I do think the bar is. lower and I think that different kinds. of movies work on streaming and, you. know, great movies work on streaming, too. But I would say I would choose to. do that. This was one that was supposed. to be I wasn't, you know, it wasn't like. we're gonna go out theatrically. It was. when the movie came together and worked. as well as it did, you know, we thought. this is definitely a theatrical movie. And it's it's I think it's really good. I'm really proud of it. I love it. John. Bernthal is great. It's funny. Better. than the first one. Yeah. John Bernthal. is my brother. He's great. Your brother?

Yeah. That's to me. And it's We're like. a two-hander. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all are. brothers in the movie. He's not my real. brother, but Yeah. [ __ ] He's he and. he's [ __ ] amazing in the movie and he. plays your So wait, so who is the. accountant? You can't tell. The. accountant No, it's me, right? I'm this. guy's accountant. Who's got Who's Are. you a CPA? I a CPA, but it's sort of one. of these things where it's going to. sound a little bit uh farfetched when I. tell you, but it's actually very plug, which is we grew up obviously together, we're brothers, and we had this father. that was very tough on us, like heavy.

duty military guy. This is in the first. movie, right? when we were kids, you see. flashbacks and he kind of um was, you. know, trained us this movie. You've seen. the first movie, right? This is the. second one. You saw the first one me and. John came out like eight years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, this is the second one. This is the sequel to all. Yeah. I. didn't Sorry, man. I didn't put it. together. And it But I think this this. actually, you know, which is rare and I. definitely wouldn't say this if it. weren't true, is it's better than the. first movie. It's funny. It's got more. kind of heart. It's it's more broadly.

accessible. The action is better. And I. really liked the first movie. So, And. you directed this one, too? No, I acted. a guy named Gavin Oconor directed this. movie. He was a really good director who. directed the first one. And how do you. um decide who is a good director? Cuz. you're a good director yourself. Thank. you. Um but I guess well the way you. decide that honestly is by watching. their movies. you look at it and you go. kind of, you know, uh, and and and if. it's something that you do, you sort of. watch it and you can tell even movies. where there's instances where it's like. might not be my kind of movie or it.

might, you know, my my taste, but you. can still say, "Okay, well, this is. somebody who really understands. This is. like a master. This is somebody who's. very competent." Um, or it really is to. to my taste and I'm like, "This is. amazing." Yeah. But, you know, it's uh. hard to get good at. So, you know, there. aren't very many great directors, and. that's that's one of the really tricky. things about about making movies. I'm. really This is the third time I've. worked with this director, Gavin, and I. really like the guy. He did Miracle. Um, he did movie Warrior. Uh,

with no Jake uh, why am I forgetting his. name? The dude from Venom. Um, Tom. Hardy. Oh, yeah. Joe and Nick. Love him. Yeah. And uh there was and he did. Miracle which is about the Olympic. hockey team and Oh yeah. against Canada. America versus Canada I think or. something. Russia, right? Yeah. Russia. The original Oh, no. Russia's like dirty. Canada. It was right. Exactly. Yeah. It's kind of like And that's Yeah. No. offense to anybody's Russian, but also. you know it. So it's not like we're.

keeping secrets from um advertising. that. So is it would you go work on it? So if you and John Bernthal, you guys. are buddies, you get along well. I love. the guy. Yeah. I I knew him. I liked. him. Became really close with them on. this movie. Yeah, we just hit it off. really well and it's like I I'm sure you. experienced this like in your line of. work. Like some people you kind of just. hit it off with it works. It's a great. like oh my god. You don't even know kind. of how it happens and sometimes the. chemistry is just not there. Is that Tim. Dylan? Have you ever met seen Tim Dylan? No. What about Oh, you just got to watch. him dude. He's so funny. He's just one.

of the funniest guys they ever made. He. just made me think like he's somebody. that's really funny, right? Um Shane. Gillis. Yeah, Shane Gillis is funny. But. I mean, so but I'm saying like for you. personally, right? Like you might find. that like you sitting down talking to. somebody works even if somebody's great, they might come in and you guys just. don't hit it off or you might be great. together. In this case, I really felt. like with John like we got really lucky. and we both kind of it's like a. two-hander. It's like a kind of odd. couple sort of brother because I'm very. reserved, very straight. He's very tough.

and ballsy and so like it, you know what. I mean? And so we're kind of opposites. but we love each other but we're kind of. brothers. we drive each other crazy and. and we're frustrated with each other and. there's kind of those things really. those kind of relationship dynamics in. the stories really depend on the. chemistry you have and John's a just. amazing actor but also it was great to. work with him and I love the guy I. respect him he's a good man he's a great. father he works hard he's just. everything I I you know I I've heard a. lot of I've heard a lot of neat things. about him cuz he podcasts as well you. know I think or he has he might have to.

take breaks from it if he's acting a lot. um how long does like how long are you. shooting something like that and then. are there phases during a movie shoot. where it's like it starts off, you know, it's like and you just kind of get burnt. like or is there a way to kind of Yeah, because the way they set it up is like, you know, and this I don't think this is. like optimal necessarily, but because of. how you got to get everybody together. and, you know, build the sets and do all. this [ __ ] and all at once, you know, it. gets you end up working like, you know, 14 16 hour days. Oh yeah. And uh, you. know, there is, you know, it's a.

function of just the some inefficiencies. in the way it works and sometimes just. what you have to do. So you you're. constantly working on sort of all you're. thinking about morning, moon, and night. and you go home, go to sleep, wake up, go back to work. Uh so you can get. burned out on it, but you can also like. with accountant too, it was like it. started to just work better and better. than I thought. And so every day I was. thrilled to go to work, you know what I. mean? And I found as I get older, I'm. like I want to work with people that I. really like that make cuz like so much. of your life is spent at work. That. becomes kind of what like obviously you.

know I have my family that's number one. thing in my life and I just make the. time for that. I have my kids. I'm. divorced. I have them, you know, half. the time. So, I got them half the week. Then I'm like with them. The other part. of my life I'm going to spend at work. and that's so I've realized like if I. want my life to be I want to be happy. I. got to have fun. Then I want to be. working with people that I really like. and respect and enjoy being around and. it's not always easy to choose that. Not. everybody can. You get lucky, you know. And so I was with But this was really. lucky. I love John. Do um have you ever. made Yeah, because David Spade and I.

wrote a movie that we just shot a couple. months ago. Oh, really? Yeah. So, it was. fascinating. I've just kind of learned. about how to do it. Like, we've been. fringed for How long How long did you. shoot for? Four years. We shot for 23. days and we got we It was It was quick. We got pushed by the fire. So, everything kind of got messed up and we. kind of not everything got messed up, but we got like sandwiched in a moment. where it was like everybody's here. The. winds are 40 miles hour today. We have. to There's no We paid for it ourselves. So, it was like we have to Did you find. out when people leave your own money on.

something all of a sudden's like, "Okay, we're going to do this." Like people. have a whole different attitude. That's. something I've found. You know, they're. like, "Oh, we need a dalmatation." I'm. like, "We don't have a dalmatation. We'll [ __ ] shave that sheep and. [ __ ] staple some tattoo some spots on. this [ __ ] and shoot and with. removable glue, glue some Oreos to it. and get that bastard out there. You. know, teach it to bark. We have 40. minutes. Get on YouTube and teach that. thing to bark." Um, have you ever made a. movie that you that you didn't put out. or that wasn't put out? Oh, yeah. Uh uh.

early on I made, you know, a bunch of. movies that were like independent movies. that, you know, they didn't have like. distribution. They have like a studio. that said, "Okay, we're paying for this. and when it's finished, we're going to. put a bunch of money in advertising. because you got to spend a bunch more. money to advertise a movie after you. make it, right?" And or at least, you. know, and that that's one of the big. things that's changing now. People are. like, "Okay, how can we do this in a. more intelligent way?" Because all that. money spent on television commercials. just a wasted now. That's that's why I'm. here. Like this is a much more effective. way to do it. You know what I mean? And.

yeah, dude, it seems exciting. I Well, here's the thing. I think when you tell. me that it's good, I honestly think that. I believe you that it's gonna be good. Yeah, I'm telling the truth. The movie. is really good. I wouldn't be like, if. you had a movie that wasn't good, you. just you kind of do a few of the basic. things and because look, it's going to. turn out like, you know, you're going to. it's going to be a bell curve one way or. the other. The better you are, you're. going to move your bell curve a little. bit further down and have a better chunk. of movies. But I got about like 12. movies that I really love and I'm proud. of and about 25 that are like I like.

this. I didn't like that. I you know and. about 10 or 12 or whatever that are like. that's [ __ ] terrible. I hate this. I. can't watch it and it was awful. And. when I did independent movies you they. would sometimes they just didn't get. distribution. Like no one wanted to put. it out or I went to a film festival. I. haven't had movies that were so like. just something so terrible happened when. the studio already was making it that it. wasn't put out. But you know you have. like they changed their plan. you can. kind of see, oh no, we're going to shift. to this or that. Now you can put. something on streaming and it you don't. it used to be like you were going to go.

out theatrical, so you kind of were like. naked. You just had your, you know what. I mean? And and if it didn't work, everybody knew cuz they're say, "Look, this movie made 10 cents this weekend.". And you know, you'd want them to take. the [ __ ] billboard down. You drive. past the billboard like was like, "It's. the bomb. The movie's a bomb." You know, you're up there at night in your Batman. costume just painting over it. One of. those big paint reachers. Um, dude, did. you ever see Family Man? Did you see. that movie? I love that movie, man. That's a guy. Oh, yeah. Family Man I liked really a. lot. Dunkirk I liked. I thought great.

movie. Chris Owens a brilliant brilliant. guy. Um, tell me about your movie with. Dave Spade. Who do you play? Like what. is is this comedy? Yeah, it's just Bus. Boys. It's like he's like a um guy. He's. just like we're just two kind of dumb. guys or whatever. We just got the first. edit through. So it's like I'm watching. it right now. Let me tell you like that. first cut of the movie like when I see. the first cut of my own movie I want to. kill myself. So like you should not go. crazy seeing the first cut and not like. it. I almost have never like now I have. a a company and we make a bunch of.

movies and you know the first cut it's. this is one of the only movies where the. first cut came in I was like it's great. 90% of time you're like okay we got a. long way to go. It's a very iterative. process. They get better and a more work. is done after you finish shooting to. make it good. I'm meeting with an editor next to sit. down and be like this is what's supposed. to be funny about this scene like and. explain it to them what you think is. funny and is good because they it may. seem obvious to you and it probably. doesn't to that person like you can lose.

track of me go look the reason it's. funny is because you think we're going. to do this we we know this about us from. the first you know whatever scene and we. come in it's that take where I like. yelled at the guy that should be a. surprise like you'd be surprised how. often it's hard to put a go in and tough. cuz I've been spending my nights like. watch and now I'm not It feels shitty. too to put your all that work into it. and look at it and go the [ __ ] is this. right? It's the worst feeling in the. world. It feels [ __ ] horrible cuz. it's like I'm very particular about like. what I create like you said in the. beginning. It's like I like to make.

things. I know what I want, you know? It's like I know my intuition and if I. fail on my intuition then that's exactly. where I want to fail cuz that's pure to. me, right? Like that's okay. Yeah. And. like that's what you want to do. Great. But it's a very tricky thing for other. people to get you and to know, you know. what I mean? Your sense of humor, your. world view is all obvious to you, right? But it's just not to people. So a lot of. times you have to spend a like more time. than you would have thought literally. going here's what should be funny. If. you can explain the joke like you're. super funny guy, funny comedian, you.

understand comedy very well. So you can. sit and break it down to him and go like. you got to know this about it. What's. funny is that, you know, we didn't. expect me to do this or that's a call. back to this other moment or the the. whole thing that when I did it, what I. thought was funny is this take where I. did that like because on the set I'm. sure you know you if you're doing a. comedy and you shot it, you had moments. where you were like that's funny, right? That I think that's funny. I think. that's good. Yeah. You sometimes it's. literally about going back into the. dailies and saying like, "Okay, go find. the close-up or find this twoot." The.

thing where I said to David and David. looked at me like this and what that was. the one where I left and thought, "Uh, that works." like there's no mystery or. magic to why they're doing it a. different way. They often time just need. feedback. It's it it is this is not like. sculpting or writing a novel. It's not a. single person, you know, it's. collaborative. It has to be. collaborative, right? If I'm directing a. movie with you in it and it obviously is. going to have your comic sensibility. like I got to know and get what's funny. to you or I'm not the guy. Um and and.

I'm I'm going to need help along the. way. any director is going like so how. come what what do you imagine about this. or what do you think you know what I. mean like that's why you have to explain. it and sort of talk about it because. that person's got to understand all. those things that made you be funny in. the first place and start going oh. people are laughing when I say oh these. are funny you know what I mean and. you've put it together and. professionalized it but like you got to. share that with them. otherwise get into fights of course. because people's ego gets in the way but. ego will kill you you have to be able to. hear I don't care what you do you have.

to be able to hear like this doesn't. work. This is dog [ __ ] because the. audience will tell you. You know what I. mean? That's the thing. And it's like. I'm so partic I'm not particular but I. just know what kind of has worked you. know that's valuable because not. everybody does. So what you have right. is that awareness you don't think about. it. You don't have you feel it right. you're like this that feels funny or. when you see something you're like this. feels wrong like makes you uncomfortable. right you see. Yeah. So that is a thing. that's unique to you right? So you need. to like give them access to that and get. it. And when you you know and if. somebody's going to like take it person. it's it's not personal like it's your.

you know and what David thought was. funny like okay like you have to be. connected in that way and you have to. understand that it's not about like okay. [ __ ] you guys now I'm going to go make. my vision of this thing that's a. disaster. No no no I just think like. yeah like this is why this was written. this way and this is why it's funny and. so this is the first time that we're. like more hands- on with it. Well then. you should definitely be hands on cuz by. the way no one's going to do it for you. Oh, I agree with that. Better on its. own, man. It's going to get better if. you get in and work on it. And by the. way, you're going to see it again and.

you're going have to go, "Okay, closer. Now, let's try this. Let's try and then. again." The way movies that get better. really is iterative. It's like a It's. like It's like coats of paint. You know. what I mean? You got to keep on go. It's. like a good paint job on a car. It's. like 12 coats of paint. That's why it. looks good. You know what I mean? That's. um Do movies do movies take a long time. to edit sometimes? Yeah. 26 weeks is the. post-production schedule for most. movies, right? That includes uh music. Yeah. And it and it's it's longer than. the production. You're trying to grab. everything you can during production. It's more expensive every day to shoot.

Editing is you rent the editing room, the facilities. We needed an owl one. day. We had an owl, right? This [ __ ]. it was $1,100 an hour for an owl. Yeah. It was like semi-indangered. I don't. want to say in danger, whatever, but it. was like ad. Do they charge more if it's. like, you know what I mean? Like if you. can get a chicken, they're not in. danger. You can kill that chick. Just. cut his head off. That's $10 for the. owl. You can get a tall chicken. No. one's going to know the difference. You. can take the chicken and break his neck. and he's turned around. You can get a. tall curious chicken. We'll give you.

that. So, I think maybe that's just like. one of those things where it's like. what's the rate for owls? You just get. to make it up if you sell owls. It's. just so It's like God, you get into. there and there's just all this animal. entrapment. I um What else was I. thinking about? Would you let your. children Well, let's I want to talk to. you a little bit more about directing. So, um cuz Argo you directed, right? And. did you care about the Middle East that. much? Were you like a Middle East guy? I. knew you I read some I was not really I. did I I did study the Middle East in. school and so I understood uh uh about.

it. I wouldn't make a movie that I. didn't it'd be like making a movie with. you and not getting your humor, right? Like it would just be crazy. Like you as. the director, you got to care more be. more interested in that movie than. everybody else. Everyone else is going. to be bored of it, right? And you got to. love it the whole time through. So the. big key is like this going to be. interesting to me. There was a lot of. things that were interesting to me about. that movie. one was a real story, the. CIA agent who had done it, the the the. guy the people that I met and talked to. at the CIA, the actual nature of like. intelligence work versus you know what.

you have seen with the like you know you. know like super spy [ __ ] that's not. really realistic and and this story was. really interesting to me and also I. thought it was like the fact that they. had this like bizarre connection to. Hollywood and this Hollywood makeup. artist and that we're trying to bridge. those two worlds was was really. interesting to me but it was a scary, challenging movie because the director's. main job is tone, right? Like that's the. main that's what the director is going. to really create is like what's the tone. of this? Like what's the vibe? What's.

are we is this serious? What are we. interested in? Like what do we consider. funny? What do we you know all those. things that that you know go into all. the choices we make in life from the car. you get the clothes you buy? All that. what kind of what is your taste? And not. everybody's going to like it, right? Some people it's just not going to be. their taste. You got to at least make it. as good as you can to your own taste, like you said, your own instincts. Yeah. You got to find that tone that matches. cuz people want to believe they they're. going to expect a certain tone from you. as well. I think you know when tone. doesn't work you're like this is kind of. crus [ __ ] you know what I mean corny.

It's like it's it seems silly or. whatever and it's like because you're. asking someone to take something. seriously that they can't take seriously. or or think is funny that they don't. think is funny. And and that's where. it's a it's a tricky kind of nebulous. job. But that that's the most. interesting to me important thing about. it. And. that's Yeah. You know, um, do you would. you let your children act, do you think? Well, I wouldn't let them act. professionally while they were children.

No, but I would would let, you know, if. they want to do plays and [ __ ] and make. their own kind of stuff with their. friends, that's fine. Me, I I don't I. don't think it would be I don't know. judgment against people that do it. I've. done playing movies with, you know, child actors and stuff, and that's fine. for my experience uh acting as a kid and. what I and what I want for my children. is not uh is is not that but also you. got to understand that then they you. know I got a 19-year-old I got one 16 I. want 13 they make their own choices. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's true. Right. As a.

dad, you just like that is that is that. got to be tough for when you're a dad. like you kind of have already lived some. life. So you were like ah and not even. about acting just about anything and. then your kid is kind of like making it. like is that and you don't want to like. probably push them too much or like. because then you're pressures some dude. that's got to be a real like walking a. police line or something. Uh yeah. I. mean that's the whole job of life is. like for me before I had kids you know I. didn't really realize what my life was. about and then this becomes the central.

challenge of your life and and if you. have a everybody has complications and. tricky [ __ ] in their life and that's. part of being a parent is managing that. with what kind of life am I bringing my. kids into making a good life for my. children how do you know um and that. that's part of that is my kids are. growing up out here in LA I didn't grow. up in LA I didn't I never met a famous. person or actor or anything that [ __ ]. just seemed like a million miles away to. me and totally if you're in the rest of. the world it feels so far away and then. you forget after you hear for a while. how far away it seems to other people.

like if you meet any you know like just. anybody who was in and it just like. that's like it was a I remember I was 12. years old in Boston and I saw um. Christopher Lloyd who played the dude on. Back to the Future you know and I saw. him walking down the street I think he. was doing a play Yeah exactly I followed. the guy for like six blocks like now I'd. be like is this [ __ ] 12-year-old kid. following me, right? You know what I. mean? Like, I stalked him. Like, I. couldn't believe it that it was the guy. from Back to the Future. I lost my mind. Um, and it was the only, you know,

celebrity, famous, whatever person I'd. ever seen or know. And, and so my kids. are now they are seeing different stuff. Some of it's useful for them because it. disabuses them of some illusions that I. think are worth being disabused of. Also, but I'm also like I I don't look. they're going to if you if you their. kids are going to kind of be and do what. who they are, what they want to do, which your job is to let them know that. they're loved, that they're keep them. safe, you know, provide them. opportunities and also not, you know, you got to resist the temptation to to.

try to get everything out of the way for. them because you're going to learn. anything or develop any grit or or uh. resilience if shit's just easy. Yeah, that's crazy. I never even thought about. that. It's like you're watching them. walk and there's something kind of in. their path. And if you take it away. completely, then they're not going to. learn how to deal with an obstacle. But. if you leave it there, then you're going. to have to watch them go through an. obstacle. That's got to be crazy. It's. hard watching your kids the like even. trying to climb over something. Your. instinct is pick them up, take them. over, but you have to like yes, you. don't want them put their finger in a.

socket, you know what I mean? Or a. cliff. And but that doesn't mean life. has to be hard. That it has to be. difficult in some ways. It doesn't have. to be shouldn't be traumatic. Shouldn't. be, you know, awful or painful. But. things have to be hard for you to learn. to do hard things. And this world, like. it or not, is going to demand that you. do hard [ __ ] If you want to have. anything, you know, if you want to be. able to provide for your own family, have your own dreams, have, you know, the things that you want to have. because, uh, if you don't do it, the guy. next to you is gonna do it better or,

you know, or the woman over here is. gonna do it better and you're gonna lose. out. Yeah. And also, you know, I don't. want my kids to have that first big. tough experience in life and like kind. of fall apart. You know, you got to like. some of the best lessons I ever learned. in life were from failure. In fact, for. sure. I didn't learn much from success. I learned a lot from failure. You know. what I mean? But the most important. thing you learn is that you can survive. it. You can be okay. It can knock you. the [ __ ] down. And you you know you it's. like getting like when I was a kid where.

I grew up that I mean we used to get in. fights all the time fight all the time. and you found out beat the [ __ ] out of. me punched you in the face. You get your. ass kicked and that's not and you'd be. like yeah he kicked your ass and you go. like and you get up and you come to. school the next day and you know what I. mean? It's kind of like a tough day. That first day was so tough. Yeah. They're like, "Damn, Randy." It's worse. that you have to hear about it than like. just getting hit five times is like, "Yeah, you kind of get your bell rung.". And you know what I mean? And but it's. the like that's kind of going back to.

that thing about like embarrassment. Like kids will suffer more from being. humiliated than physically hurt, for. example. Like that's the [ __ ] that. really is painful. But and now I don't I. don't wish to be clear that on my kid. Like you don't need to be fighting and. [ __ ] all the time, but it's, you know, it is valuable to know that you can fail. or have something difficult happen. really painful or get your heart broken, have some girl be like, you know, be. like, I don't like, you know what I. mean, embarrass or whatever. You're. going to be okay. Like things are not.

going to kill you. In fact, they. actually do make you stronger if you. kind of go like, okay, that was tough. If I didn't have some of the resilience. that I picked up by, you know, my early. life trying to, you know, see, I would. have just kind of given up or collapsed. or had people say bad [ __ ] I'd be like, "Oh," you know, and I fall down and. never get up again. Yeah. You'd have no. experience. And you also, it sharpens. your intuition. You start to It all. learns. It's all It it is if you can see. yourself as a tool. Sometimes it's. definitely harder when you're younger.

because some of those feelings are new. and it hurts so much, you know. Um, here's the thing. getting better at. anything really never feels good. Like. if you're building resilience, it's it's. not a time that you're liking. You know. what I mean? It doesn't feel good. Like, so that's what, okay, I don't like this. This feels like [ __ ] But because it's. hard because I can't lift these weights. anymore because I can't these other, you. know, I'm exhausted and the other kids. are still, you know, running sprints or. whatever the you know, but like th those. are the moments for what it's worth. where you're getting better, you What is.

um what's something that you admire. about each of your children just so one. day they can look back and and. um and know is that God I mean the thing. I really that I care most about and it's. and it's true of all three of my kids is. that all of them have like an innate. like goodness of character like a. kindness they don't they're not trying. to go out and hurt other people they. they and they have empathy like they. care about and respect other people. doesn't mean you know um that obviously. they don't make mistakes or they're or. whatever, but that basic thing about.

them is is really really important. I. think it's it's definitely also credit. to their mom who's who's amazing and. who's spectacular and is great. Like. we're divorced, but we we I think do. pretty good together uh raising the. kids, going back and forth and all that. stuff. And they're I mean they're all. look I think you know like any parent. you're going to like my kids so cool and. my like something you admire like. individually about them that's maybe. unique my oldest kid. No, not at all. Listen, I think truly um there's so much.

that I don't want I just don't want to. come off. And I know my kids will be. like, "Dad, don't [ __ ] go on there. and talk about me." You know what I. mean? So like my son especially is like, "Dude, he's right now watching this. like, "Oh, no, no, no." Uh but here's. the truth. My my oldest one has got a. beautiful like commitment and sense of. like wanting to make the world truly a a. better place. And she'll put her money. where her mouth is. Like she doesn't. want to do something she's not asking. other people to do. She makes personal. sacrifice. She has that kind of.

integrity. You know, my middle child is. really um is this incredible like feels. things deeply like artist, you know, kind of is is brilliant and so funny. And my son has got like this incredible. like joy of life and magnetism and. sweetness and goodness to him. Um and. like that's the stuff where it's like. whether you can like dunk a basketball. or write a great paper like great. And. I'm not, you know, but like that that's. the [ __ ] that to me is more important. That like kind of internal character.

stuff. Yeah, that's cool, dude. That's. nice, man. Yeah, it's nice to hear dads. talk about their kids, you know? I think. sometimes you just don't hear it enough. sometimes, you know? I agree. And I. think it's it's so important like most. important thing in the world. There's. not as many male leaders, not as many. male teachers as there were. There's not. as many like there's there's a space. where we're missing a gap of mentorship. from male to male cuz a lot of people. well some people were pedophiles. whatever but outside of those people. it's like there's not as many let's rule. those [ __ ] out those guys are out.

well also anybody pap who's driving. around taking pictures of kids anybody. else would be arrested for taking a. photo of a kid in public but but and I. think absolutely boys need um poor male. and so do girls like you need to see. that there's good men you need to. understand that good men are accountable. and tell the truth. They can say they're. sorry when they make mistake. They're. strong. You can rely on them. They're. funny like that. They can show you. strength and love and and and all this. stuff that is good and beautiful and. what you the people you want to be drawn. to in your future life about.

masculinity. You want to know and see. that modeled. And if you don't, first of. all, in their children who are expecting. because we're as children expecting to. have that. If you don't, it [ __ ] you. up. And if you don't see what that looks. like, you don't know kind of what to. look for. Oh yeah, dude. Did you have a. fun like do you have a memory of your. dad that was like fun with for you? I'm. trying to think of one. My dad would. Dude, my dad was like I'm trying my dad. was really old when I was born and so my. dad was 70 when he when when I was born, right? He was born in 1910. Dad was uh.

serious guy. Yeah. I wish he had some. money which was crazy because usually if. a woman's hooking up with an older guy, he's got some money. He's got some. money. What did your dad have going for. him? It was not money. Wasn't funny. He. must have been charming. He didn't have. a bank. He was very charming. My dad was. very, very charming. But he would like. take me to the like um he would like go. sometimes have a beer by like this bar. at the railroad tracks and he would like. let me walk on the bar. He like and they. had like these little bowl of chocolates. or whatever. And if the bartender I. remember if I danced good, she would.

like give me some some of the uh. chocolates or whatever and he'd be like. go wiggle for chocolates or whatever. And I remember so I just remember I. think you like when my dad pimped me. out. That was a good time. Well, he was. just a he was just pimping me for. confections, you know, or sugars, you. know. It was kind of an outtake from. that movie Chuck a lot if you've ever. seen that. But um but yeah, he would be. like go wiggle for chocolates. And I. just remember that was one thing that I. remember. Anyway, sorry I made that. about me. But it was nice to to take. that walk down memory lane. Yeah, it's. fun to Well, there's there's things I.

remember about it like the bowls of. peanuts and just like being at a bar. like at like 5:00 p.m. cuz my dad was. older. He would go to rest. he would. rest pretty early. But um I remember. that's funny because I I was going to. say, "Oh, I don't have that that kind of. memories of my dad really." But the. truth is like, you know, after he he got. out of the house, you know, was a kid, he we he worked at bars and so that's. where I'd go see him up at the bars and. he was like a bookie and you know, taking bets on the side. Oh, really? Right. Yeah. A little bit. And and he. was um but that that's what he did. was. was bartender and then uh for for for.

that for that period of life when I was. kind of 8 n 10 11 juke box in there or. anything? Juke box and he'd be like, "Oh, go get the cigarette machine." I. went in the bar and it was cool to visit. them in there. Remember the cigarette. machine? They had that pull out pull on. them. And by those days and they'd be. like, "Tell you the kid like go to store. and get me some cigarettes. You walk in. 8 years old, buy cigarettes." Yeah, exactly. But yeah, and also we were me. and my brother go to the bar. and that that those are there was some I. do have some kind of fond memories of of. of that. I I wish I had more of them.

which is one of the reasons why like. it's important for me in my life to make. sure I don't [ __ ] you know that I create. those for my own children. Yeah. I think. that's something that we probably learn. I think as we go along. Um I want to. tell you about true. classic God. You want to feel good. You. want to feel something good on your body. and look good to people. True classic. The official basics wear partner of the. UFC has one mission to make sure guys.

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Uh, not at all. Um, you know, I guess, yeah, a little bit like in the sense. that he was in Goodwill Hunting with me. and Matt and he was [ __ ] brilliant in. it and then um, but you know, like. anybody like and and Matt's like who's. like, you know, my best friend as a kid. and stuff like Matt Damon, you know, you. had like and he got more famous one. thing and then my brother, you know, so. you kind of and you know people if you. really like try to map it out like those. sort of how famous, sorry, which is kind. of a weird and a hard.

He kind of moves around. But my brother. was always a working actor and then he. became, you know, he he he really. established, of course, won the Oscar. for acting and and kind of established. himself as a great actor and um had a. more steady kind of Pittsburgh. Remember. with Michelle? Uh uh. Oh yeah. Um um you. talking about uh Manchester by the Sea. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he what he won. the Oscar for. He's amazing in that. movie. Yeah. Yeah. God, it was so good. Is it? Um, yeah, it is. He's a great. actor, my brother. Is it uh Yeah. Are.

you guys pretty close? We are. You know, we're we're we're close. We um he's got. great kids. I love his kids and uh he's. a great guy. And you know, you you know, um I guess you go through phases in. life, too, where you're kind of like. people are you're kind of doing the same. thing or you're just in different. spaces. Well, that's what happens when. you kind of really like get a little. older and then we were like up to 30 or. whatever. I was just like hanging out. with guys all the time, you know what I. mean? We were going out, we're doing. this, whatever. And that was kind of. life most of it. And so you see all your. friends all the time and my brother's.

one of the, you know, we'd all hang out. and then you have kids, you have family. and then it's kind of like, okay, I'm. going to have Friday at 5 or whatever. for seven or and then you kind of have. to you lose a little bit of that bigger. network of like who who are the like I. know who 10 of these guys are, who are. the other six, you know, that starts to. kind of go away and and you kind of have. to be more selective. But um you know uh. my brother's is is is a brilliant, funny, amazing guy and his kids are it's. a joy to see his kids grow up and be you.

know Yeah. Being an uncle's fun. Oh, it's the best cuz then you don't really. you can kind of just like let him do. [ __ ] you know? You don't have to be. really the dad. Yeah. You know, I'll. tell you this. So there was um I live in. Nashville, so I moved there about four. years ago and there was so the other. night there's like tornadoes or. something and I didn't know like and I. live in like it's a nice neighbor but. it's nothing crazy. It's not like rich. enough where you're away from tornadoes, you know? I You better be pretty How. rich you have to be to get away from. tornadoes. I don't know. I'm still in. the wind district, you know? So, there's. a freaking tornado warning. There's.

sirens going off over town. I didn't. even know we had sirens. So, I'm texting. my nephew. Thank God. I called him twice. and then finally I text him. I was like, "Dude, uh I was like, "Bro, tornado. warning. What do I do?" And he's in. middle school or whatever. And thank God. he's like, "Get under your desk." That's. what he [ __ ] says at 4 a.m. And I was. like, "Dude, I don't have a [ __ ]. desk." You know what I'm saying? And he. goes, "Don't curse at me over text." And. I'm like, "This [ __ ] kid does not. know how to support a family member." It.

just like That's what he's That's. hilarious. Anyway, I don't even know. what I told you that story about. What. were we talking about? Weather. I'm not. family members and what it's like to be. an uncle. Yeah. I get to see my nieces. and uh they're coming for Easter. tomorrow, so I'm excited about that. But. yeah, um yeah, being an uncle. How many. uh like nieces and nephews you got? I. got five total. One of them just went to. prom, so I got to be there when she took. pictures. I was in Baton Rouge for that. That's great. Um it's fun. Yeah. And you. kind of get to be like a little bit of. the confidant. Like you're kind of like. on the edge of dad. Yeah. Cuz they'll. tell you stuff that's kind of like you.

can't talk to your parents about like. whatever, you know, some things, but you. can kind of let you know the uncle kind. of know and you so you can be kind of on. the side a little bit, a little cooler, even if you're really not that much. cooler. like [ __ ] don't try to play. it off like that. But you kind of get. away with it a little bit and you know. you got to like you can't you can't push. it. You know what I mean? But it's like. and you got to know when to snitch too. on them too and tell the dad what's. going on. Exactly. Did you um let me. think about a movie thing? Oh, did you. get to keep your Batman outfit? I did.

Yeah, I did. In fact, that's at our uh. office and it's um it's one of those. things people like it's like uh it's one. of those things that's sort of like I. don't know people like to see it. It. kind of reminds me a little bit of like. Planet Hollywood a little bit. So I'm. always like, I get this bat rubber bat. suit here. It's just But it's like I. don't know. It's hard to tell. Like. look, I get it. That's a kind of a cool. movie souvenir. Sometimes I feel like if. you put a grapefruit on like TV every. week, you know what I mean? And then you. just put it to the mall, people will go. by and be like, "Oh, there's that. grapefruit from TV." You know what I.

mean? So it's sometimes hard to tell. whether something's interesting because. it's interesting or because But but I. can see how that is kind of interesting. The most interesting about it when. people see it is like, "Damn, how do you. wear this?" And it's true. It is like of. all the those type of roles and stuff. like the superhero thing that the. outfits make it a lot harder to do your. job because you're kind of constrained. and they're real hot. It's like you know. when like wrestlers like when I was a. kid used to run around with like trash. bags to lose weight cuz you just dump. all the water. You know what I mean? Like that's sort of what those outfits.

do. Oh yeah. You'd see like some guy. just with his Yeah. You see some guy in. your neighborhood who's on the wrestling. team or whatever. I wrestlers. Yeah. Exactly. had a wrestling team and then. he's running down the street like a. California razor. Lose Yeah, exactly. 15. lbs in 10 minutes. You know what I mean? He's just spitting on his family members. and he's just cursing cuz they say. cursing helps you burn calories or. whatever. Um yeah, that's kind of. interesting. But you would but you never. like put it back on for anything fun or. to surprise family. I did it for my. kid's birthday when he was Yeah, my.

son's birthday and he was like he was a. little young but I it was fun. I got the. pictures now. Now he's like, "I guess. that was cool that you did that." At the. time, I didn't know what the [ __ ] you. were doing. And I'm like, "But it was. cool though. Do I get credit for it. now?" He's like, "I guess." He barely, but but I I had fun. And that that was. the whole reason I did it. Like I love. Batman. My son like how cool is it? Your. dad's Batman. My son was like, you know, three and [ __ ] And so he he was like. scared of the movie. But but but uh you. know since then it's like he be it's. become kind of in retrospect I think. kind of cool. It's hard to tell what.

your kids think is cool because most. time they're kind of like uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. They don't really tell you kind of. cuz it's almost like you're like Yeah. I. don't know. I just watched my brother. have nephews. Like I want to get a wife. and children. I don't have a wife yet. But um yeah, you your parents are never. going to be like cuz like part of the. thing is like you don't you can't like. you need to separate from your parents, right? You need to like move away, get. out of the house, that whole thing like. move on, become your own your own man, and all that stuff. And if you're too. wrapped up in like your folks and you. know you can you know it gets in the way.

of that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. You got. to start to slowly separate and there's. ways that kids do it. So there's part of. it where they're like, you know, and it. comes off like where I'm like, "Hey, you. guys want to play some game? Like close. the door. Get out of my room. Close the. room." I'm like, "Just so just leave.". You know what I mean? A And then there's. that moment. It's the first time you. kind of close the door and there's that. moment where the dad's just by the door. and he's kind of sad. But he's in the. hall. But then he goes in his room. He. takes three steps and he's like, "Oh, good. I got some free time actually.". But there is that moment. It is. Yeah. Absolutely. And they come back around. You know what I mean? Do you think um I.

auditioned for a Project Greenlight. movie that you guys had years ago. Really? Yeah. It was one where there was. like a guy in a wheelchair and there. were like dangerous people were coming. in like you were trapped in a bar or. something. Beast maybe the horror movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just remembered. that. That's crazy. Audition for it. Really? Yeah. Oh, I was not any good. I'm not a good I would not I think it's. a bad idea to do that. I I just um but. anyway, I just remember that it popped. in my head. Do you still have Project. Greenlight? It's um No, it's not. I. mean, it's not currently. We did it with. the company we have them but we we are.

not doing it now and it we took it we we. had it on for a while back then and then. brought it back and it's interesting I. really liked it and I thought it was. interesting that like cuz it's because. that's what I do and I know okay that's. tricky like it's hard you have all this. drama that comes up on a movie but when. we had like a million dollars to make. the movie and every like a million. dollars like that's like nothing and now. it's almost setting people up it would. kind of just be like then you'd just be. doing a show about people getting in. arguments and smashing things and having. a breakdown because you can't really.

even do it for a million dollars like. tons of change unions and wages and all. that stuff like you're you know so but I. I I really liked that idea of that show. and and what we were able because to me. it was about like also creating. opportunities for people that are. outside Hollywood, you know, who could. come in and be like, "Look, I know what. I'm doing. I want to do something." And. then you got to like, "Okay, well, let's. see what you can do." What um do you. think Tom Brady's good as an announcer? Yeah, I think Tom's good as an. announcer. I think. he's Look, Me too, dude. I think he's.

really smart obviously about football. I. think that like it's a it's a um people. kind of you and you're the like the. greatest quarterback who ever lived. They think, okay, now he's going to come. in and change broadcasting for good and. and like just being a normal human. being. It seems kind of like I I I mean, who do you want to listen to analyze. something? Like if I want to like. somebody tell me about like a m you know. a concert like I want to hear from you. know some great musician you know if I'm. if you're you figure well nobody's going.

to have better or wiser analysis. analysis than Tom maybe not about like. telling jokes or whatever that's. something different but yeah I think so. Um but he's a surgeon. He seems like a. surgeon when he's talking about it and. the way he breaks down certain moments. and how long it takes to do certain. things. He's like well they got about. this many yards. They're going to have. to move about this many this many yards. a second. like he's definitely you start. to see who he really is. Like how much. analysis went into that. I still think. one of his like real like one of the.

things that really separated him cuz you. know everybody knows about how like you. know he you know he was like drafted. late and all this stuff like and his you. know his his like combine numbers. weren't like you know stuff. People. weren't just like this guy's going to be. amazing. I feel like one of the things. that he has that people don't really. talk about is like, and this is so. [ __ ] important is like I feel like he. he has this thing where he doesn't get. tight. He just doesn't get nervous. Like. I think that the there is a huge. advantage. Imagine like you're in the. Super Bowl and it's like, you know,

fourth and eight and you got, you know, seven or whatever and you're good. Everyone else's heart rate is banging. their head, adrenaline. I think it's. what makes actors good, too. Good actors. at certain moments. you getting relaxed, the ability to relax in tense situations. where other people get tense because. tension and stress, it locks you up, you. know, you panic. It's like everything. It's all bad. Oh, it's horrible. That's. when Yeah, dude. It's definitely There's. moments. The first time I'd ever. auditioned, I was like, "Open the. windows. Open the windows." I'm like, "There's not a lot of windows in here.". And they're like, "They're already. open." I remember I was kept blacking.

out and then I had to like do some scene. that I didn't even care about. What are. we doing here? Why are we doing that? I'm sorry. That was not a plan. as I do. Um, oh yeah, dude, I want to tell you. about Do you ever see that Dunkin Donuts. commercial? Because I know you did a. commercial with them. Yeah. You ever see. the one where they shut down that one. and uh uh is it Boy Sho? What is it? Play Shimoken. Duncan's closed by fire. My favorite. dude. A coffee shop in Shimokin is. closed following an arson over the.

weekend. Police say a teenager is. responsible for all that damage. News. Watch 16's Nikki Cry joins us live from. the central Pennsylvania newsroom with. more tonight. Nikki, Julie, a lot of people in Shimoken are. upset that Dunkin Donuts is closed. because they didn't have anywhere else. to go for coffee and donuts. Today, we. also learned new information about the. teenage girl police charged with setting. the place on. fire. Setting the fire is currently at a. juvenile detention center. Many people. who live in Shimoken are upset that.

Dunkin Donuts is closed. Now I have to. rely on myself to go to maybe a Turkey. Hill or something where I don't like. their donuts. I rather the donuts at. Dunkin Donuts and I'm kind of dealing. with it. But I really miss Dunkin. Donuts. I go there every day. I get a. chicken bacon croissant or I get some. coffee powerade. If I'm dehydrated, I. sit there all the time. If I have any. like legal work that I need to do, I go. there. I meet with my attorneys there. I'm gonna miss that place that don't. open up. Yeah. A lot of my friends go in.

there, get the cold coffee, what ice. coffee I guess it's called. People miss. their local hangout and hope doesn't. anyway that just that when that one. closed down, man, it was just like a. real people kind of went bananas on the. because it turns out guys the legal. clinic got shut down. to sit there with my legal my you know. my probation officer meets me in there. I usually deal out of that place. Like, all right. Yeah. You're just But you. don't know when a Dunkin Donuts closes. down, you don't realize how many lives.

intersect that community is paralyzed. Yeah. Um, what's something else that you. want to direct, man? Where is there. something What about you directing. Timothy Shalom? That'd be so dope. Oh, he's terrific actor, man. I uh he's. great, you know, and I think and that. that's really what you kind of like no. matter what you do, a big part of it is, you know, 90% of it is is as they say is. like picking the the right actors. because you there's really nothing you. can do. You you're you're kind of like, "Okay, now go ahead." And you can, you. know, get about 10% calibration, but the.

right people for the right role is is is. so much a part of what goes into. directing. It's why I was talking about. like kind of understanding what people. sort of think about or assumptions they. have about actors that they are going to. watch. There's a lot of um actors that I. would love to work with. I haven't. worked on I'm lucky to have worked with. some great ones so far. And I have I. have a movie that I've just finished. shooting called Animals that's uh your. own movie out on Netflix that I. directed. Congrats. Yeah. And I got and. I I may even direct another movie uh.

next year, which is actually pretty. quick. Um but it's not all set up yet. But I it's something that I really love. doing and I'm I will do it like. especially like as I got one kid that's. uh you know in college now and the other. two like by the time my son who's who's. 13 goes college then I plan on kind of. just directing all the time but like I. said it takes so much focus and energy. that one of the regrets I have even. about movies that I I really like and. I'm proud of is like what periods of. time that I miss with my kids because. that that that just doesn't come back.

you know. You almost have to plan ahead. like okay maybe they're going to be on a. semester abroad or this is going to be. like this I'm like I do them in LA you. know what I mean so I'm not travel so. I'm can be home for dinner and coming. you know and just make that a make that. the priority but it's it's it's a part. of what why I slow down a bunch from. directing because it just in order to do. it in a way that I understood that it. required like it just requires almost. total commitment and concentration. Yeah, man. Because we Yeah, we got to. keep telling good stories because it's. important. That's how people learn. things and that's how you remember. things and they become part of like, you.

know, history. They really kind of tell. history a lot of times. Um, yeah, it's. definitely interesting. about Oh, you said something about Oh, yeah. That shooting in Hollywood has. become so tough, huh? But it's supposed. to it's supposed to be getting easier. Well, you know, it's tricky because what. hap one of the things that's happened is. that like first of all, movies just used. to be made here. like you know country. music was made everywhere like that's. how it was and then you had other states. and countries that started kind of.

offering incentives because they felt. like you know if we bring this business. here and like it stimulates all our. other businesses because there's this. huge uh kind of trickle down effect of. from the restaurants to the dry cleaners. to you know drivers to blah blah blah. all this money into the economy and you. know LA or California didn't really I. think whatever I'm not for respond or. try to compete. They have a a small. incentive now and they they've actually. broadened it some and I think they're. aware of it but but it's it's tricky.

Whereas other states and they're kind of. controversial. Some states have have. felt like they worked out for them and. they're happy. Georgia's got a huge. incentive program. They get all I mean. you know Marvel movies shoot down there. I got a place in Georgia and I you know. that's that's I filmed in Georgia. It's. it's in fact the count was we filmed in. Georgia and that's why right they start. offering the incentives obviously been. successful for like California has ego. about it in some weird way. It's hard to. figure out. Yeah. I'm not I don't really. know enough about the politics of it to. know. It seems to me like I think it's. like well we've always had it here. We. don't have to give the incentives. Like. that's what's pulling people away. people. But it's like in a certain way.

But now everybody's moved and and moving. away and moving around. And if you can't. make a movie without the the crew is. what's going to make or break your. movie. Now you have 3,000 people flying. to like Tibet or whatever to shoot for, you know, like the UK they give out they. do these big re. So like you did it for. Harry Potter movies and all the like DC. movie all these this stuff goes and. shoots like out of the country you know. look. it's I obviously selfishly like this is. where my kids are so this is where I. want to be but also the best technicians.

I believe in the world by and large are. here and they're really artists too and. and they're ready to work too a lot of. them work you have these fires all this. stuff it's like but I look it's hard all. over and I get it I don't begrudge. anybody anything I I would like to uh. preserve like look it's a big business. for this country right like show. business this something that we make. that everybody buys all over the world. we buy a lot of [ __ ] from other. countries right like this something that. people want to buy from us well I'm. amazed that I was talking about this. with somebody and it may have been um.

damn I can't remember my brain's off on. the weekend but um but we're talking. about how California hasn't really done. a great job of like kind of museuming. some of the all a lot of great parts. about that were in movies and like you. know Sydney Portier this is where he. lived for 20 years or you know this is. the bad news bears park where they play. Brady Bunch house right there's some of. it but and it's like bits and pieces on. the internet but it doesn't seem as. preserved like when you get here you. would almost think it would seem like.

more of a museum in itself the same. because at the time I think people just. didn't think about it or somebody's. house they rented whatever it was but. yeah they haven't really I mean you know. you can do some of these tours and stuff. but it's kind of like uh I think. California I'm not I still feel like. even though I'm I'm a resident now like. that. I'm from somewhere else, you know, from Boston. Yeah, for sure. California. is like um is felt, I think, in a way. like, hey, people come here, you know. what I mean? So, we don't need to bring. people here, but like times are. changing. Movie business, like you say, is changing. It's theatrical business.

chang. It's all, you know, the the. number you're looking at the thing that. people one thing that people watch more. than anything else, which is Dunkin. Donuts YouTube, you know. Yeah, exactly. But Accountant 2 is in uh Accountant 2. is out in theaters on Friday and uh this. Friday. Yes. See it. Go out and see it. Do I take a date? Do I take my cousin? Who do I take? Take your whole family. Everybody, you know, actually the truth. is is a movie that anybody can see. Like. kids can see. Real accountants better.

like it. That's the core. If accountants. don't like it, we're so [ __ ] I mean, you know what I'm saying? If you're. going to call the movie The Waiter and. waiters don't go, you think anyone else. is coming? But uh it's yeah man it's. it's a movie that I think honestly like. works for you know it's it's smart and. it's not like oh well only young people. like this or only old people like this. It's got everything. It's it's hard to. make a movie that I think strikes this. chord and kind of works for a broad. audience and it is better seeing it in. the theater. So and uh it's one that I'm. be willing to leverage my kind of.

personal word and credibility on like go. see it. You won't regret it. It's really. good. You heard that. Uh Ben Affleck. Thanks man. Thanks for coming in and. just sharing and thinking with me and uh. just having a good time. Thanks for. having me, man. This is cool. We're. excited. I promise that I'll go see it. and um Thank you. And I think a lot of. people will. I hope so. Listen, a lot of. people listen to your show. So, uh I. appreciate it very very much. Thanks for. having me. Tell your son I said hello. I. will dude. That's that's right there. That's the whole reason for coming right. there. I got that makes me cool right. there. Now I'm just floating on the. breeze and I feel I'm falling like these.

leaves. I must be corner stone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll. share this peace of mind I found. I can. feel. [Music].