A Jockey | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #346

today's guest is a two-time. kentucky derby winner and he's um. and he's also won the preakness if you. familiar with horse racing and. outdoor horsing and this man is a. special man he's from. uh veracruz mexico. and uh really excited to learn all about. jockeying i've always wanted to know. about it. you know what i'm saying who's in that. cockpit of that horse. today's guest is mr mario.

[Music]. gutierrez. i'll sit and tell you my stories.

[Applause]. mario gutierrez man so what happened man. you got you had you had some uh what. happened yesterday you said something. happened. wow i was riding a cable thing my car. broke down yesterday so i took it to the. dealership. on the interstate or on a on a side road. no i was in the. in the freezer yeah that's always a real. rodeo bro when you break down out there. it was a brand new car too so i don't.

know what happened. uh yeah i had to take it to the. dealership and then uh. get a loaner car and this morning i had. to go to the track to. like you know do the training the usual. training that i had to do before racing. okay uh i was doing that i was getting. ready to leave grab a couple of things. to. show you guys and then um as i was. getting out of the racetrack freaking. car power. went off the same thing happened the. loaner car broke down too. long so my age i called my agent right.

away and then he. he loaned me his car and he's like get. out of here yeah. and so when you go uh and let's put it. what brand of car is it man let's get. this brand out there they need to oh i. don't even want to say it. you don't is it it's a fancy car. actually it is it is. bmw maybe no up up yeah oh range rover. and then that area is like a maserati it. was a wow. yeah it's a maserati yeah you drive a. maserati well no that was a laundry car.

i i drive an alpha. alpha right now oh that's what nick. drives and then uh. uh the engine light went on the cars. that's what happened. like i was driving and then the power. went out like it was like probably a. bicycle could have gone faster than that. so. and when the power goes in your car do. you kind of get that same feeling. actually i do like when i do it like. come on come on just one more boy you. have to do it. oh i did i did that actually i did i did. it i couldn't see that it's almost like. a habit huh yeah. yeah i was like even when i watch my. replays when i like after like um.

the race finished and i come back to the. yorkshire man if i win or finish at. close second i'm watching the replay and. all those times. as i'm getting to the white on the ribs. i'm like leaning towards like thinking. that something different is gonna happen. just a habit oh just a habit that's. interesting man um. and so you're uh whenever you said like. today you went to or yesterday or today. you went to do the training like what is. that like so you go there. is there a time you have to be there on. a race day so today's a race day yeah. today's a race day well typically.

even in a race day we uh monday to. through. what seven days monday through sunday we. uh train horses okay you know in those. courses that we we. training um we usually get to run them. like you know. a week from now like or 15 days from now. so we're constantly. working these horses and then like. they're not necessarily gonna run on the. weekend you know but they might run like. the week the weekend after you know so i. see so horses that are gonna be like say. if i'm going to go to the racetrack.

like maybe in a week or two the horses. i'm seeing going to see then. you guys are kind of training them. getting them used to the crack no. getting ready no. choose like a like a normal athlete you. know getting the physical training. into it you know the loan capacity so. they're able to push harder in the. stretch and things like that it's like. it's okay you guys get them out there. like athletes and what time do you guys. do that kind of these days. it was early in the morning the race. track opened around like i think 4 30. you know and then it closes at like 10. o'clock. i usually get that at 6 30 you know.

that's when i start and. usually by 9 9 45 i'm done wow. yeah so dude you're on the horse and. it's going fast huh yeah. is it scary or no no it's not scary for. me. anymore you know it was a little bit. scary when i i started. uh when i was young but now it's like. you know like any. other racing um athlete i guess you know. like you just get used to your love for. that. i love what i do so i'm like i live for. that you know it's like that journaling. is the excitement and it's. like all of that who's the athlete are.

you the athlete or the horse is the. athlete or you're both the athlete we're. both. you know like it's almost like it's but. no it's not almost like he's a team you. know like he isn't. the athlete you know he usually he. actually does most of the work you know. the hard work you know yeah. we are at least two because we need to. constantly be uh. fit enough to to ride these horses like. have our weight. you know uh um checked you know we. checked you know there's certain way. that we. we can pass you know so that's what like. fig.

physically we have to be super fit. because these are like 1000. pound animals that we need to control. and we need to you know like um. be able to manage oh yeah high speed. um when you uh when you. so like on a race day what will your day. be like on that day. it's usually so like later today when. you go in for the race like what is it. like when you get there like how did you. go through like what is kind of the. the typical typical yeah well for me. it's like you know like i i.

um i wake up like i said i go to morning. training. and then i usually finish like like i. say 10 o'clock you're done you know. okay and when you're training these. horses like what are you doing you're. like just almost like. like acting at a race almost yeah yeah. it's exactly that it's just like. we simulate a a little race by. themselves you know it's just like you. know each horse you know. it's not like we're working on tango. force at the same time not like a race. but like. for example uh uh i'll work my horse. five furless you know that means that i. had to make five furlongs in a certain.

amount of time like 101 the trainer will. tell you how much. how fast you want him you he wants him. he wants you to train the horse okay you. know so he if he tells you hey i want. you to work. five four loans and one on one so you um. you. do your best to pass those five four. notes in one minute and one. second so um so you're out there just. kind of setting goals almost like a. uh like like somebody on a track team. yeah yeah. that's exactly that you know and that. that gives like the horse fitness and. the long capacity for like do they like.

it do the horses like being racers. yeah it's like a any normal. uh well any living kitchen you know. there are some horses that don't you. know there's some horses that like you. know that. no matter how much you ask them they. will they choose no born to do that you. know but they're like oh yeah like. antonio brown. and there are some horses they they do. really love you know they're like uh. it's maybe like uh i can't explain that.

because it's a feeling you know. sometimes i'm on top of them and i do. the burn minimum and i just encourage. them to go a little faster and they are. waiting for that. oh they're wonderful yeah they want it. yeah so some of them can you tell. sometimes how. excited they are about it and how much. they like it yeah oh you can yeah well. yeah i i'm i'm i feel lucky because i i. feel that i can tell that you know. because. i grew up some with horses since early. very early age so. and uh so yeah so what was that like so. i'm trying to think of what else i would. think about like being out there.

and then okay so then you get there for. the race day now on the race day. on on the race you guys show up and. what happens like do you have to be drug. tested do the. horse have to be drug tested yeah horses. get drug tests we don't. we don't we do get drug tax drug tests. too but that's. like uh it's coming like like a lottery. you know the officials go there and. like they will just speak randomly you. know whoever you're going to get this. okay put out whatever they want do you. want to get tests and then.

you have to go and then get this do some. people. use is there any like performance. enhancing drugs for the riders. is anybody out there like some some guys. can be high and do it or do whatever. no no no no we are like truly like as. any other athlete and this like if. there is not not um if we. are in a perky set or something that we. need to have a prescription if if. you don't if all of a sudden you get. tests and then you pop for a pill like. you know like an org or something like. that then you get you get suspended or.

damn really oh yeah so everybody got to. really keep it together the horse and. the people huh yeah. so it sounds like a lot of jockeys have. prescriptions. yeah exactly right. so what is the fitness of it like for. you. fitness i for us because we have to be. more lean. and stronger but as strong as like a 120. pounder can get. you know so right yes i'm from louisiana. originally they have a lot of guys from.

louisiana that are jockeys yeah. yeah there's a lot of like uh we have. like alvarado like you there's a couple. of names you would hear milan's song. like a lot of names you would hear a lot. of i think he's a whole famous. horse racing industry he's from there i. think yeah is he what's his name candice. normal. uh what's the last name the letter that. starts with the. doorman d-o-r-m-o-n-d no d-e. d-e. the long no.

can we skate my english is horrible so. it's not my second language so like. don't. mind bad it's my first language yeah. that one the first one. oh that's a hard name for english people. yeah. ken ken desormo where's he out of. louisiana. a lot of guys they got a little those. little swamp babies man a lot of french. little swamp babies they pull them up. from maurice louisiana yeah that's that. is a real swamp town right there. and so it's popular in that area is it. are there a lot of are you mexican or.

which. mexican both your parents are mexican. yeah my parents so or is there a lot of. mexican jockeys as well. oh yeah yeah really a lot of jokes a lot. of. latin latino jokes a lot of panamanians. puerto ricans um yeah so yes because. it's interesting that a lot of those. guys are from louisiana and then. a lot of them are from mexico why. because it's smaller stature. i think so but there is really jockeys. all over the place we have like. italian jockeys here right now we have a. french jockeys you know.

i think it's like whoever is small. enough to be a child. so it's more about a size thing that. really it doesn't matter kind of where. people are from. yeah what um what was your journey in a. jock in like how did it kind of start. out for you. because it's such a unique i mean i was. talking a friend of mine the other day. uh this guy walker walker bueller he. plays for. the dodgers actually and he was on here. a while back and. he and i went to dinner the other night. and he's telling me about he had a. brother-in-law.

who was a um jockey and robbie albarado. is the guy's name. and so he went uh so i was like maybe we. should get a jockey to come on the. podcast and talk. and then you and nick spoke and um and. so yeah man it's just fascinating to. think uh. to think of what that life is like and. what it and and who even does it like. so take me again a little bit more like. your fitness and your size and your. weight what do you have to. stay at i probably if you i had to stay. like under like 117 118 117 you know.

that in case that i have to. reduce i don't have to reduce too much. you know like if i have to ride horses. which is like 118 i only had to pull up. two. pounds the day of the race you know. something like that you know i tried to. manage that. like really well uh do they weigh you. before the race yeah each race before. each race they weigh you in. yeah and if you're over can the trainer. the owner say. we're gonna get someone else uh i think. we're only allowed to be. you have to if i'm gonna be if i think. i'm not gonna make that weight i had to.

report it like an. hour earlier okay that before the uh. before the first race. so if i already know that hey i can make. that whip i'm going to be one point over. i have to if i don't do that then yeah. we get penalized. or i think yeah the in the trainer is. allowed to say well i don't. i need to replace my jockey so on the. race day that's usually the same jockeys. like on a scheduled day of races. at like um say it like um. santa anita right santa ana what is this. santonita santanita right.

so on a scheduled day of races there may. be like 10 races or something for the. day. yeah today or 11. wow so you're going to. race 11 times. no no i only ride four horses four races. and is it every other race how do they. put you guys in there it depends. is it very complicated right because. like that is uh. in the racing office they decide what. race goes first what's good second so. it's like depends if uh. you know depends where where i land you. know i can ride the first four. but then not necessarily like or i can.

run the first the third. six seven so do you ride for a specific. trainer do you ride on a specific horse. like. how does who does the jockey work for. i'm. i'm very lucky that i write for a. specific owner. okay yeah uh you ride only on his horses. i ride most. all of his horses i right okay all of. them and i that has been since 2012. i'm very very lucky so and a very very. sweet position that that. that way um so i'm not specifically for.

the same trainer for the. owner you know so uh so that's that's. that's good for. me yeah he has so you have more like. that. that means you just have like more of a. long-term or you just have. uh work what's it called net. work if you have the same job at a long. time a tenure. yeah or yeah you just have like some. assurance you're more assured like you. have a contract kind of. it's like it's not like a real contract. it's more like a spoken country you know. like a. like a french like he's been so loyal to.

me and i've been loyal to him so like. it's just like a a. partnership partnership that is going to. continue we had early success in. 2012 i think that's what yeah yeah some. job security yeah yeah. so uh so then so when you get on the. horse you're on the horse and you take. the horse out to the. what to the racetrack to like the voting. booth that i'm talking about like oh the. paddock. that we call it the paddle the paddock. is the circle this is the little circle. where like you know the horses run.

uh before we get on top of the horses. they like you know there's like. the people can look at them you know uh. if you're gonna bet you're like the. gamblers. you're gonna look and see which horse. you like and you can look at them then. then uh the trainers like put like put. us on the horse and then we. we go to the racetrack and do the. warm-up the pre-warm-up before the. before the race okay so if i'm a better. right. which nick is but if i'm a better and i. go out to the paddock is there anything. i can look for.

as a batter that can give me any sort of. insight as to how the. the only thing that i can that i can. that i can that i can give you and. a tip sort of you know try to look for. horses they're not too nervous or sweaty. you know because they usually are like. they're not gonna perform well like most. of those horses are like you know. they're. too nervous and so sweaty they already. um. spending a lot of energy you know being. being like so. a sweaty horse dude.

besides that i'm horrible my wife told. me like. never to say to give her any tips about. horse racing because. she always loses no she likes it better. now she does once in a while be like oh. my god i'm training this course that i. really really like you know you should. put some. some money on them you know and then uh. the horse will run. third or fourth and then you'll be like. i don't want no more of your tips. um so you get out there you go out for. the warm-up and the warm-up is what it's. just kind of like a little trot or it's.

like. chuck or gallop you know try to like get. the get the floor going. on the horses you know and then um try. to warm up everything you know before. like because now they're. when it's time to raise you're gonna. you're gonna ask them to do their best. you know. yeah and can a horse stretch can you. tell a horse to stretch or they just. stretch if they want to. you can stretch the horses you can like. there's like you can you can do. they they have chiropractors they have. massage syrup as the horses. really yeah yeah dude what kind of. pervert would stand here and just. massage a horse lego i don't know.

you had to you had to one. can you imagine just standing there all. day. and trying not to get an erection that. would be the hardest thing i feel like. even if you were straight male and. you're you and the horses straight i. think it would just be so. hard not to how uh. how strong are these animals they can be. pretty strong their horses there can be. like. so nice you know in terms of like you.

can like uh. pretty much do anything with them like. uh they obey. you know like you can one hand you can. maneuver you know and there are some. horses there like you. two hands all you weigh all you can pull. and there's still like. no listening to you so it's tricky you. know. just like people i guess huh yeah yeah. they are like people are so smart. do they feel like do horses seem like. people like the more time you spin. around horses do they seem like people. do they seem like. is there another animal that you kind of. relate them to.

do you feel like you actually can have. like a connection with the horse. what is it like because i've always been. a little bit probably afraid of horses i. guess. because we never went around any horses. growing up you know like we would see. some but. and like feed them apples and stuff. through the fence but. i never like spent time around them you. know oh horses. are super smart i think that's yeah like. the more time you spend with with a. horse you know the more you get to know. them and the more you establish a. connection and then like.

once you establish a connection it's. like it's like having a dog you know you. love that animal. it's just like it's a strong bone that. you that you that you. that you have with this horse you know. so yeah at like time the more time you. spend with. with the horses is like it's hard not to. love really fall in love with them yeah. just like a dog shoes like a dog yeah. yeah. and they're very therapeutic because you. can like my wife has a pony that we can. use it to trail right you know and then. like if you're having a bad day. you know or when when i'm having a bad.

day or like i have too many. too much thinking on my head i go i saw. him i take him to the trolls in the. mountains in altadena. and it's just so terpeuric is just like. so. cool and relaxing i should live on one. of those. i should be tied around one of those i. need some therapy. i need some therapy man um so. you get out there you back to the race. you get then you get in the cage right. or. actually we had a question that came in. right here from a uh. from a user for you right here not a.

user look i'm not judging the guy. he does look like baby yeah he's been up. a little late. but uh it also looks like john cusack's. brother. what's up mario quick question are there. jockey groupies like chicks that travel. around so when you win the kentucky. derby you're. golden for a couple weeks yeah what's. that like are there kind of like uh. [Music]. did you meet your wife through the races. some.

i did uh yes i did my. my uh my i met my wife because uh my. father-in-law at the time when i. i i went to canada i met my wife in. canada oh she's canadian yes she's. coming. canadians are awesome yeah so um. her dad used to own some horses um. and that's how true i met her family. first. and she she was studying in victoria. canada so i didn't met her until like. two years after that after i was in. canada oh so the family already liked. you oh yeah.

they love me they still don't they love. me more than they'll. they let you ride their horse. um but yeah i think uh to the question. yeah i think they in. any sports i think that any sport has. like some groupies. i think so yeah yeah that's cool um. what type of like who are the owners. these days like a lot of times when i. think of horse owners i think of like a. rich old white guy kind of. is that still kind of the and no. judgment against it but is that still. like. the type of person that owns horses do.

you. like or is there all types yeah i think. of this guy whoever this guy is and i. don't even. we don't know who this guy is but that's. who we think of. is this does this look like every owner. kind of or is it all types of people. it's all type of like what they. basically whoever wants a like. they have money right i have a lot of. money okay so it's someone that has. expendable income they can get away yes. so like. i don't think necessarily has to be. white but it needs. it needs to have some cash so they need. to have some cash yeah do they ever have. groups out there where you.

whether you feel like it's a um like. it's a setup like they have like a shady. owner or it seems like a little weird. like. like that like maybe they're just trying. to drug a horse and get it through does. that ever happen. or did it used to happen do you ever. notice anything like that. well i i don't like i i don't that i. don't know. specifically specifically no you know. like uh i. said it again you know because like like. like a group or like. like i guess do you ever see like is. there ever like um.

like a owner trainer kind of a. a team a team oh a team they try to do. that edition yeah often and it's just. like and maybe. you've seen them over the years and. they've come and gone or whatever but is. there ever is there a lot of that going. on or is stuff pretty rare like is it. maybe back in the days will happen a lot. and no not in racetracks like. like like santanita that will that would. be considered like a like. like a in. um i will be con something that will be.

considered like you know like one of the. top right strikes santanita new york. kentucky you know like and. there's a prestigious you know like like. an elite or like an a racetrack right. like an a race track and then you you. have b. racetrack c race tracks you know and. that probably probably will cure more. into like. like small racetrack where there is not. a lot of your restriction or no not a. lot of people watching. like i wouldn't be surprised if that. those type of things happen there oh it. gets a little more seedy or the way yeah. yeah. yeah the further you go yeah maybe like. for example like ufc i watch a lot of.

fights you know like say ufc now. is you sat and everything is like. cracking down and things like that but. the more you go to the lesser. organization well. maybe they're not as tight you know so. oh the urine you could drink it i feel. like off. these guys you know what i'm saying i'd. had a glass whatever anderson silva had. into my thing. i mean they just had yeah it's. definitely a lot cleaner these days yeah. um who are some of the fighters you like. oh i like a bunch. you do like the nick bro yeah yeah. crazy love yeah um i wish nick fought.

more man. i know i don't know what's up with him i. wish i wish to i i i. i just don't want him to get older and. then wish he had fought more. when he was younger you know but you. never know with those guys right he they. they really seem so genuine you know. that like. the way i look at him i don't think that. will occur to him you know. yeah that's a good point he loves like. you know he does what he wants. it seems like so i think they definitely. do what they want. yeah did you see that fight the other. night with edwards yeah that was good.

huh yeah. oh come on go for the kill he's just. pointing at him he's pointing at him and. i'm like my wife is yelling. i'm jelly my son is looking at us like. what the heck is going on with you guys. yeah and i was jealous. yeah that was magical man yeah what do. you think about the uh did you see the. last fourier. mcgregor fight yeah i was surprised i. was surprised that uh. how fairly easy uh pourier beat mcgregor.

yeah i think mcgregor beats him this. time you think so i think so. i feel like it's uh i i mean i. definitely don't think that. but i think it's hard i i just think. it's hard to like. get that mentality you know oh but. unless he doesn't have that anymore you. know i i will blame the first. the first fight until like you know he's. like you know long time. hasn't fight you know and then like. that's that's what i think you know but. and the i will relate it again to horses. there is some horses the.

you know the very good horses that are. undefeated. like they can win one two three four. five races in a row. and the moment they touch the feet the. moment somebody some other horse pass. them. they're never the same really yeah so. that thing happens to fighters too you. know the more. you know they feel this thing and all of. a sudden they you know two three losses. and yeah like. mess up with their hands happens to. comedians too man happened to me. but no that's so interesting so you. there's there can be like a moment that. happened in a race like in a big race.

where another horse passes it. and it's never the same yeah yeah for. horses that happen it happened to me it. happened to a very good horse that i had. really yeah which one was it what was. nyquist 2016 kentucky derby winner. right and so that's the and so let's see. yes so take me back to like. i mean you had just started racing. right you've been racing and or you just. been racing in where in california for a. year. not even you won no no no i mean. i mean my first kentucky i was lucky. enough to get my first kentucky that'd.

be back in 2012. and then i was racing in canada okay on. 2011. the races the racing the racing season. finish in um. september october so uh usually i will. come down to san francisco and ride. in san francisco in the winter and then. but for whatever reason uh. they didn't want to give stalls to my. this my canadian stable that i was with. at the time okay. so they reached out to santanita and.

santanita was like yeah we'll give you. some. um some stables so you can you can run. here your horses so. that's how i ended up in l.a you know in. santa anita in. late 2011. so that was your first time. getting to los angeles. yeah and then that was like yeah october. november december january and in four. months then i was. i was uh i got introduced to to to i'll. have another which. went in and won the kentucky there yeah. yeah you won twice right.

he won the kentucky and then he won the. preakness yeah but you won. i want yeah i won 2011 2012 and then. 2016. so was there like uh is there like a. rookie year. for writers yeah yeah apprentice we. called. we are called apprentice when we are our. first year. when they we get the license to be a. professional writer then our first year. we call apprentice. and then with that does we are allowed. to raise. 10 pounds lighter than the professional.

joking. so if a professional jockey is what 118. 118 then you get you're allowed to run. your horse with one weight. you know you could ride on 108 yeah i. can't know anymore. i used to yeah i didn't even chew gum. i'd be like yeah no i i can't anymore i. used to when i was 18 years old. yeah oh so what phases what phases a. jockey out of the job. well i i think that's like fighters you. know like you're um. your body will tell you or or.

unfortunate or an accident an. unfortunate accident that can. end your career at any moment does that. happen something i mean. yeah a little m shyamalan does it uh. and does it happen does that happen. sorry i have so many questions right now. it's okay. um okay cool so uh does that. yeah take me some through some of the. dangers what is some of that danger like. if you have a. like is it like a like uh how can you. get hurt how can you get. i mean you can get thrown off of the. horse that's probably the biggest fear.

yeah that's probably the biggest fear uh. uh. the biggest fear for me is probably like. getting getting turned off. of a horse if i'm like in the in the. first and. the four front runners because then you. have you know for sure you have people. coming behind you you know and. like i say these are like 12 200 pound. animals and. bad drivers yeah you don't want you. don't want none of them to. catch you mid air or like on the floor. so that's probably. so that's almost one of the scary parts. i bet about taking the lead is that it's.

somewhere in your head you're like. now if something bad happens all these. horses are going to come up behind you. yeah but you don't think i think like. the moment. you start you had those thoughts that's. probably a good. a good time to retire oh yeah if you're. like going in the front and you're. thinking about oh my god you know like. you have a problem. yeah no you should be focusing on on how. to win the race yeah i think the moment. you start having those type of thoughts. i think you should call it quits. that would be me i'd be like you guys go. on ahead. uh how ex how okay so you get into the.

paddock you get or you get into the gate. right is that after the warm up yeah. they gave that so after the warm-up you. guys. because yeah i'm always wondering. whenever i'm there betting or whatever. i'm like jesus what are you thanks for. everyone else. yeah they got one guy and then the guy. in the pink hat comes out i'm like why. is the guy wearing a thing i don't even. know what's going on i feel like it's a. gender reveal. but then finally they get everybody. lined up. is it easier to be the first horse that. gets lined up in there or the last horse. or does it even matter. yeah i think it does matter i i.

particularly would like to. like um loan last but you don't always. but we don't choose that it's like it's. like whoever number you have is by. number so whoever is like you know if. you have it. seven eight nine ten you know they're. you're probably gonna be. um put on the gate last right so i. prefer that you know because then my. horse doesn't have. too much time to think inside the gate. it's just basically. go ready go yeah and so once your horse. is in the gate what are you doing. in there like um i see you you brought a.

is this a saddle yes a saddle yeah. that's what we use to ride them can i. pick it up yeah. you can pick it up dang dude. this is the lingerie of saddles huh. my god japanese saddle is it yeah. wow shout out to japan yeah shout out to. japan dude. very ironic that they are have a driving. instrument. that they put together no shade but. that's wild. so how does this even i know right.

i think i'd just rather wear a thick. underpants i'm like this is so. small so this goes towards the front of. the horse. and you uh and what is this what is it. this is. yeah no oh my gosh. and this is yours mg right here amg yeah. oh that's cool man. um so and this is. about is this is a pretty commonplace. uh saddle yeah that will probably like.

most of yeah. unless you go like there is a little bit. bigger saddles and they actually. weigh smaller saddles they should. probably like mid size. at all you know there is like there is. some saddles that are probably like way. one pound. for like people like joke is the. struggle a lot with weight. oh really they're basically two stirrups. and. and then that little tiny thing. honestly like it probably is like this. big. some chubby jockey yeah.

like okay and so this hooks into the. belts that go that girl yeah yeah like. you should be like. like um like elastic band you know we. call them girts you know that. that's right okay so you're out there. you get on this you have the saddle. you're on the horse. and you're in the gate and then what. happens what are you doing while you're. in the gate to keep the horse ready to. race we just try to. to um uh your best and to like just have. a you we have another person that is. kind of like helping you manage a horde. while you're in the gate and this. happens. more than maybe like 15 seconds during.

the game you know 20 seconds 25 seconds. the most you know so for that. time you have a person kind of helping. you control the horse and kind of like. make sure he's looking forward just like. a rodeo almost like a rodeo when they're. getting on the ball something like that. you know and then um. hold on and wait till wait till the. they get open and then it's good time. liquid death you know the summer gets.

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like hey i want you to be in the front i. want you to be. you know mid-pack you know let two three. horses go. i want you to be last you know then. right away then you try to. to to to do the best you can to stick to. the plan. wow is that the most what's the most. exciting point in the race if there is. like is it right when that gate opens is. that frenetic it feels like it would be. so like. there's so many things happening at once. is it hard to kind of just. stay in in what's going on with you yeah.

the most definitely the game because. it's like like an f1. race racing you know like the start. right everybody. you want to get your position as soon as. as soon as you can you know and then. from that point on so uh uh then then. you're able to like. chill relax save your horse or like you. know. those type of things you know so the. star is definitely. like very crucial and very excited but. like a lot of adrenaline a lot of rush. going on.

to me that part and then you know like. um. like the last quarter of a mile of the. race you know especially if i know oh i. still have a ladder i still have. something. i still have a lot in the tank you know. that's that's probably the most excited. how do you know if you have a lot in the. tank is it because you've previously. tried that horse and got an idea of. what's in that horse or is it because. in that moment you can kind of tell. what's in the tank. bush you know like it's because like you. get to know the horse prior you know on. training.

and i consider myself lucky you know. because like i can tell. if i choose holding my range you know. like. being and been and seeing we've been in. and and. and um how do you say that's like. synchronized or being. oh yeah in a mutual female volleyball. squad yeah. i feel you but yeah i know you see it's. like synchronicity kind of yeah. so i and uh all that you know like um. i get to feel my horse you know you feel. the energy like it's they have a lot and. horses have a lot of energy so you feel.

them you know so like jus. they'll tell you well uh if if they're. tired or that's that's okay you know. what. that's all i got buddy you know i have. you you can tell when the horse give you. everything or you can tell when your. horse is like no no we have something. you know there is little tricks. that you can do mid-race to kind of test. how much horse. you have left you know okay what are. some of those take me through some of. those like just even small little things. small little things he's like for. example you know you don't you're um. you're like comfortable holding him you. know he's obeying what you're saying and. all of a sudden you kind of go like.

and did it it's just like you feel the. push the the. the kind of shifting gears in the car. you feel that okay i have it so you can. like you ease up on him and be like okay. don't worry i see what's up maybe we're. gonna do it. we need to do it yeah yeah okay then. sometimes you're asking the horse and it. goes nowhere and then he's like oh. it's going to be a rough trip he's like. looking at the concession. basically yeah um is there a way to. to turn around say a horse kind of feels. like it's not into it or it's gassed out.

or it's not having that. flare in that race is there a way to uh. recalibrate that kind of horse or or is. it just kind of like sometimes that's. just the way that. that it rolls well they're like. horses right it's a living creature so. like no like in that and that is nothing. you can do in me. or to to to shift that you know when a. horse can give you. all the air when when a fire is tired. there's no way you can pump air into him. and all of a sudden. wouldn't it be great if they brought a.

pump out right so i know like basically. you. i mean it's our responsibility just kind. of like wrap up you know. save him you know and right save him so. then you're thinking about a chance for. him to run a few weeks from now yeah. yeah you know. regroup you know like maybe he wasn't. feeling good that day you know that's. the other thing you know you can be on. the favorite but what if that horse. that specific day that is going to run. is she's not feeling it you know like oh. he is. about to get sick you know you know. sometimes when we are about to get a.

cold. you know like you can feel it you know. two three days before that you kind of. feel a little bit. yeah yeah so the same thing with horses. you know so. huh wow that's so interesting man we got. a question that came right here for you. mario. yo mr gutierrez. got a question for you big dog. what is it like straddling. one of those land sharks with. millions of people watching you how do.

you. stay composed and not absorb the. pressure. that is being a jockey in the kentucky. derby. yeah are there races like the kentucky. derby thank you brother gang baby. are there races like that kentucky derby. where it's. that this you just feel the energy so. much bigger yeah. yeah i think i think the kentucky derby. should be on your bucket list you know. choose to go and experience like 160 000. people you know. all eyes looking and like the 20 horses.

that are competing there. they build up to the kentucky derby is. like it's a different base. so take me through can we see your uh. race when the the the uh. your first win there and would you say. it was 2016 2012. and how many times have you watched this. a lot you know no many no. no no very many times yeah i haven't. re-watched it no. [Applause].

larry komas with the call okay so where. are you at in this world. and as expected trinity berg had a great. start. gemologist okay so let's stop uh when we. get to that between horses and. bodemeister is done on the inside. again ahead of pretty bird bodhi meister. in trinidad. so we can see that while where it's like. the flock. okay right here so what's kind of going. on right here like.

horses are coming out some of them i. guess. like are some of the like some of the. riders are in the lead here like. yeah is that because the the the jockey. has like. kind of commanded them to be in the lead. or did the horse just come out strong. no a lot of horses are like being. command to go to the lead you know and. everybody is trying to be. um it's like not necessarily that you. want to go to the lead but you. want to get a clear path so you can be. like maybe like to be in front of. a horse whatever horse is behind you. because that way. you can get your position faster you.

know. okay and now if a horse comes say you. you come out of the gate. and another horse kind of gets in front. of you a little bit is that bad for your. horse. yeah because then you had to you had to. regroup you have to you have to check. your horse now you have to weigh. whatever that. that horse in front of you is going to. do and then you hop in there. after that then you get to do you know. your your strategy or basically choose. plan b or plan z you know now you're. there now just what you do you know you. chose to stay there. or you chose to go around that horse in.

front of you it's just a lot of like you. have to adjust in. the moment is there a moment there's a. horse here that's in the back and he's. only in the back by about three lengths. it looks like. and uh is that right you think how many. links has he been in the back. yeah he's probably like around six seven. likes people okay so. my length math is what it used to be i. was just trying to sound like i knew. what i was saying but. so he's about six or seven links back. yeah he is does that horse. he still has a chance to win though huh. of course yeah no of course he has.

unless that horse uh uh um. um strategy or or or um. was to go into the front oh you know the. front if that wasn't if that was the. case then he's totally screwed. he's like not liking his chances and the. jockey's realizing at that point. this is probably just not going to be. going to be good yeah okay. okay cool let's let's keep it cruising. then start gemologist is also out and. where are you at right here. on the outside oh there you are cruising. huh yeah and now bodhi meister's ahead.

of trinity. you're kind of in the middle right now. right now yeah the purple helmet i'm in. the middle. i'm gonna. so you have turns here like how much. turns do you have two. two turns so you have this one and then. coming out this one yeah. now what do you do during the turns man. well you tried to save as many turns. yeah yeah because you can't do much like. even if you're playing a racing game or.

something like on the turn you're like. slow down a little bit yeah you just. have to like be in the turn there's not. you can't i feel like it's hard to use. strategy. yeah no you have to you just have to. help the horse to take the turn the best. way possible you know and then like. set up your uh uh um coming. out of out of this first round because. you're gonna get a stretch again you. know. okay and then line up to get the second. the last turn you know. okay okay let's keep it cruising here. will take charge indy as they move into. the turn and then it's daddy knows best.

on the far outside liaison creative. cause optimizer along the rail. now do you feel like you had a chance in. this race right here what were you. feeling like. i did that i have a chance because this. is a horse that i like i was i was. i got very familiar with him before. going to the kentucky derby and you have. to understand like this never happened. to me. they now happens to nobody all of a. sudden like a kid coming from a. sea racetrack or d racetrack you know. like uh and all of a sudden you know he. isn't the kentucky there but first of. all it was a lot of doubts it's like you.

know like. well is he even have it you know is it. really that can he be good enough to. be in this that's right does he even. have his adult teeth i'm sure a lot of. people are wondering you know. yeah oh they're probably thinking oh. he's totally going to melt down you know. or things like that all right the. pressure and all these things. was there a lot of pressure no no i'm. very lucky that i don't the pressure. i i'm very good under pressure you know. and. i couldn't i couldn't like commute in. near and forth right here. yeah i'm for right now so this is the. second turn six seconds.

wow i thought i was gonna finish second. because if you see that horse in the in. front. okay he is like super super in front of. me oh totally. and then but my course still has some. guys so i'm thinking like oh my god you. know i'm gonna finish second in the. kentucky that way i was. i was stopping right here right here. okay. what do you do on the horse here so you. have now we also have i just want to. show this here this is called a what. whip crop okay whip or crop and then. we have your helmet here okay and so.

that's pretty light. everybody wears kind of the same type of. helmet yeah okay do you. now at this point how much times can you. whip the horse as much as you want. this yeah but. a lot of rules have changed now now. we're we're not allowed you know. but i i'm never like uh um. known to him accords a lot you know so. if you see here like i hit once and then. you push your horse you know you had to. give him a chance to respond you know.

but um but uh back in 2012 there wasn't. like uh. a restriction on how many times you can. whip a horse it was like a step dad out. there. if you want yeah you could have gone. like tata like you know but. does the horse does it hurt the horse. much it doesn't did what do you think. well it depends i think back in the days. it used to if i if i show you one of the. the the the um whips that they used to. use the the. old-timers you know that's right really. they used to use some seriousness yeah. yeah that's interesting it's not as like.

i mean if this were lead it would be. tough oh yeah yeah yeah. okay so here we go let's go through this. man this is crazy so what is your. strategy right here like do you have any. no no that does it like as soon as you. go to the last. stretch like that's just like try to go. as fast like. try to ask your horse to finish like. yelling at the horse. yeah what do you say come.

wow. [Applause]. i guess like you know like you say. compare that's like our super bowl you. know like so my whole life. i was 24 years old i think most of my. whole life like just flash in front of. me you know thinking that. maybe this is why i don't watch this. replay because then i get emotional a.

little bit. dude i'm emotional i wasn't even in it i. mean i've done steroids but that's the. closest i've come. i used to do them in high school the. closest i've come today i think watching. the race here with you i. understand why i don't watch that race a. lot i'm sorry man. but it's really exciting i think also. it's a way to kind of channel with just. that that it's even a possibility for. people you know. of course it's inspiring like if there's. young men out there who think about. being jockeys. young latino men out there we have a. good latino audience. um who think about being jockeys or uh.

it's interesting or they might have a. kid who's like a more of a petite sized. kid and like what could i get my kid. into. yeah you know you don't think that man. that's really almost the last thing you. think about. probably i feel like it's either hide. and go seek or being a jockey i feel. like if you're kind of more. uh petite size you know um. what uh so take me to through your. journey as like how you got into like. doing like how did it start for. you. yeah well like you say when this race is. kind of like it flashes you know i. thought about myself like you know we're.

back at home you know my dad tried to. you know provide better from us you know. like uh. um you know part veracruz. oh i've never been there where is it's. nice it's nice it sounds. nice it's nice you know it's on the. beach right now it had we have a lot. a lot of yeah so but i'm not from. from from the. beach part of the state you know like. i'm more like. to the inside i don't know maybe like. two hours oh you're on the golf side.

yeah. yeah oh wow that's interesting right up. in the top. around there that's where i'm from. exactly around there yeah. that's where i'm that's exactly where. i'm from it's a big place. no i mean when i was there it's probably. like you know the town was around. probably. 10 000 people oh wow you must be like a. hero huh. oh when i was there you have all my. friends and everything you know. yeah so because 10 000 is pretty small i. mean it's a small town it's a small town. you know it was a very small very poor. town too yeah very very poor you know a.

lot of uh. horses like um a lot was horsing like a. big. business there no no no for like uh. that's how it's very crazy that i got. into like you know even from. my town like that and anything around. there. i was the only one doing it because like. i said my dad. um we were like really poor we're very. very poor. so my dad land this job in this farm. and this the the owner of this farm. happened to own a quarter horse. you know and then he saw my dad and my.

dad is a little bit smaller than me. oh really probably look at him and be. like oh he could be he could be a jockey. so. he he went and asked my dad hey are you. interested in learning how to become a. joke you know i want you to. like ride my horse and then my dad say. yes. because that's probably like a way uh. for him to do better. morning for us what a rare job too yeah. so. um when i say yes so then i i was like. probably seven years old when i. i was watching my dad becoming a jockey. you know so. i i was like um i love my dad you know.

so i was like now i'm gonna be. choose like my dad i wanna be a jockey. and since that early age i was i. i just knew that's exactly what i wanted. to do. your dad must be so proud of you huh. yeah yeah yeah very proud. does he still live there in veracruz or. no yeah my whole family i'm by myself. here me and my wife. and your wife yeah um okay so you your. dad gets into it then you. so how do you get on the horse then well. then um. uh did my dad good was your dad a good. jockey i think so i think my dad was you.

i think he was better. than but people wanted to give him. credit you know as a jockey he did it he. did it. um for very short probably like six six. seven years you know. um hey you want to pull your jacket down. in the back it's just right just so you. yeah no you don't take it off you can. leave it on the same pull it down i. think no just on the edges. sorry i can take it off i'm a little bit. hot i was gonna ask you yeah. okay okay i turned the ac down how are. you no that's fine all right that's fine. um yeah it's a cool jacket man what is. that style called.

i don't know my wife dressed me yeah she. did she did a good job it almost has. like an authentic like mech. i don't want to say mexican look but. something like that yeah something like. uh. yeah it's like a i don't know what it. reminds me of i just. i haven't seen it in a long time but. it's cool um. okay so you then how do you get on the. horse so so. um so your dad's jockeying is he jocking. in races is he jocking. no yeah and quarter horse races in. mexico very popular quarter horse racing. and. zillow yeah all over mexico is better.

bring that up i want to see where that. quarter horse is. and what it's like the little ponies the. little ones no no no big. big horses oh it's four horses it's a. normal sized horse quarter horse but. they're not but it's a very short race. it's like a like you know like one of. those cars that you go like a quarter of. a mile. something like that oh dang so it's like. drag racing and they're more bulk you. know they're yeah yeah sounds like. dragons yeah. and it's a popular event too in mexico. it's very popular in mexico i like in um. all the states in mexico there's a lot. of quarter horse that's how.

that that was like uh how it started. when i was 14 i was doing a lot of. quarter horse race in mexico yeah before. i went to mexico city. is it like um what would you compare it. to like a sport here. because uh it's more popular there than. it is here. quarter horse racing probably yeah yeah. i think it's illegal here. oh right no no no no. no i shouldn't say that no it's not. illegal that we have quarter horse race. tracks here but there's not a lot of. them. right well i would say match races much.

what. my racing means is like uh in mexico. like anybody that. that has a farm you know could build. their own racetrack and they can put. together a car or like a five six races. you know. right and then uh and then you charge. people to come watch your event and then. that's much racing you know. i think that's i don't think that's that. might not be legal here we'll hear that. yeah because i think a lot of horse like. it's all kind of it might be owned by a. lot of like bigger groups and stuff you. know. something so they don't want like the. smaller guy getting up you know.

um okay cool so then you get you start. doing the quarter horse racing and do. you do well at it. yeah i was doing really well that's i. was doing really well by this time. i mean that from when i was seven now. i'm 14 i'm gonna start raising my. uh um quarter horse for my dad and. there's no people calling my dad every. week and every 15 days hey is your kid. available you want him to run. these uh races this day so. my that kind of wasn't in my first agent. so he will like people will call him.

okay and then my dad will say hey you. know you we're gonna go raise here and. there you're like my kid's not available. like we wanna we want him to ride a a. bear and you're like that's not we don't. do that. yes horses that will happen so that's. how i got into four years i did it until. i finished my. high school in mexico and in that little. town. and then i asked my dad because now i'm. like. i'm like oh wow like i know i'm good. here like i know i'm good here and. uh by this time i think we were a little.

bit better off so i think we finally. were able to put in our farm. a satellite tv and then we used to get. we used to get. espn and then let's do it espn on the. weekends. there will be a now you're wearing. dwayne wade jerseys on the back of the. horse. there will be a show that a half an hour. show we'll talk. specifically about uh the podromo in. mexico. about horse racing in mexico we have we. only have one. one one racetrack official racetrack in. mexico city this is the.

in mexico city the hippodrome of the. last americas so there will be 30. minutes. 30 minutes of like kind of giving you. the the highlights of the weekend you. know. uh only highlighting the big races so i. will watch that show. every week i will watch the show and i. will see names and i will see like these. top jokies and now. in my head i'm like you know okay i know. i'm good here but am i. like how good am i this is it here yeah. this is it oh that's for that's an old. picture. wow so then you get it in your head can.

i go there and do it. yeah so did you go perform how do you. say it again. america that one down a little bit more. down you'll see it like that one no. the one next above no. no that one oh hypodromo. de las americas that's the big place huh. yeah so. it's only in mexico city it's only in.

mexico city so so you went there. yeah as soon as i finished my school uh. did you play any other sports in school. or anything i used to play soccer goalie. you know but i was so small yeah. that'd be the craziest yeah who would. put you as the goalie. i know not to say that but we have the. one of the best goalies of mexico jorge. campos you do he was more. he was yeah he was smart wow so maybe. look what do i know man yeah come on. so yeah so um let me see him.

yeah see oh he's a legend huh yeah. i want a picture of him in goal. he's a flashy guy i like the colors yeah. he liked the colors oh. that was like i remember when i was. growing up that was a guy everybody. wanted to go. for examples. that's cool right yeah um so yeah okay. so then you get there. so i asked my dad it's like that i. really don't want to go to school.

you know i really want to go and you. know challenge myself try it you just. please give me one year. i was i was like i was begging him for. one year opportunity. and then i convinced him i packed my. stuff and i went to mexico city. and yeah was it scary or no it was very. well. it was by like you know when you're so. young and you really want you don't. really think about that you know. i wasn't thinking how was it gonna be. when i was at my. my goal was like i just want to convince. my dad to let me go right.

i really want this right so i convinced. him. so the moment that i got in mexico city. i was like. geez okay now what you know that's such. a great statement it's so much when. you're young you don't think about what. it's going to be like when you get there. you just think about what you're. thinking about. yeah and that's one thing it's kind of a. bummer as you get older you start. thinking what is it going to be like. when i. think yeah yeah that's actually i think. that's one of the bummers you know we. started. thinking too much of like you know like. and i think that's probably what. hold us a lot of people to like really.

go for what we really want you know. yeah because you're right when you're. young like i just got to get there and. then i'll see what happens yeah you know. okay so you get there and how do you get. into the race has your dad already. agented you. onto a horse or what's going on no that. my dad had my dad stay home you know so. now i'm like you know my like. um even though we're known in our little. town and like the. my region that we were like much racing. you know my dad stays home you know i'll. go by myself to the. to the racetrack.

yeah so now i'm going there and then um. like i said i didn't turbo how i was. going to do things you know so. all of a sudden i'm i i i i'm in mexico. city. i want to go to the i want to somehow. ride horses in mexico city. and then i'm like okay well i guess i go. to the. i go to the racetrack right so i go to. the racetrack i'm. like asking people hey how do you get in. the racetrack blah blah you know. oh there is this gate go to this gate so. i'm walking through the gate i have a. garbage bag full of uh some um.

um my pictures and things like that to. show people that i'm i'm. like i'm legit i can ride horses right. so and there is a security guard in. there and be like okay. i want to go in he's like where's your. license i'm like well i don't have a. license you know. this is like rudy it's like rudy. rutieres. so uh i'm like well you know like. but i wanna i wanna work how did i do. that he's like oh you first have to get. a license and the guy doesn't give me. any information on how. he never does yeah god damn you know so.

now i'm like. he sent me back he doesn't care yeah so. somebody else told me there is like. multiple entries so like. the next day i go try another one same. thing happens they reject me and finally. i learned to. uh to a gate where like the guy is some. were kind of nice yeah and then he told. me no you know what you know like um. come tell them you know that come. tomorrow i'll let you in tomorrow. and then you're gonna go to the stewards. that's the judges you know everybody and.

then. just tell them what you want to do and. things like that you know and are there. other guys like you trying to get in. there are you. no no i don't think no i guess everybody. now i know. once i got in you know that how you get. into the racetrack is like you. you there is you have to have somebody. in the racetrack that kind of brings you. in you know like. even if it's like a rider a person that. is an exercise writer you know. or a trainer that can bring you in be. like hey you know i want you to. introduce you today so i want you to be. a jockey or things like that you know. i didn't know anybody there so i i just.

so. i go like trick-or-treating. he knew three security guards in two. words i know exactly. exactly so finally i i went into this uh. it's good to know first of all the. security guards are everywhere. that's the best thing to know yeah. that they do their job no matter what. country where it is they're the same guy. yeah exactly okay so you go in so you. finally you get in front of the right. people. yeah well no they weren't even the right. people i went to the judge you know to. the to the stewards. we call them stewards you know the ones.

that they regulate and. the the make the rules to apply to the. trainers and everybody. so i went to their office and they're. like okay i hear you wanna you know an. interview with us and i'm like yeah yeah. i wanna be able to. you know to i want a license i wanna. ride horses i wanna know like. and they were like looking at me and i. guess nobody does it my way you know. or the way i was doing it and they're. like oh kid no your super loss is like. you know this is what you have to do. you have to go to each one you know you. have to first try to land a job.

let's see whoever employs you you know. to be an exercise. writer or to be you to write a pony to. like you. first you have to have a job you know. once somebody is willing to employ you. then you can come. he's gonna have to sign some papers and. like that's how you're gonna get a. license. so i'm like he's like so i encourage you. to go to each one. and just like knock on the door and see. who who. so then you're going bar in the barn huh. and you found someone i found someone. that the same day i found someone that. that was like okay i'll give you a.

chance you know. and then it went well it went well it. went well like i got i got my license i. i had to i thought it went well for me. you know i got to. like exercise right exercise horses in. the morning for him you know. and then and then apple that provide me. somewhere to sleep i. i live i i was living at the mexico uh. city racetrack for like six my first six. months. and do they have like lodging for the. riders and stuff no. where were you guys sleeping over there. i was sleeping on the stall really yeah.

on the stove and knowing the stuff is. stable and oh no. really in like hay or something there. was like a little. like camping little mattress that was. there you know like. and was there a lot of guys in there no. no i would choose myself. i guess because i'm coming from a small. town right so everybody's from the city. so i didn't know where i. don't have anywhere else to go dang it's. so wild it's interesting that like. stories from mexico are now like stories. from america like 50 years ago or 70. years ago you know i'm saying it's just.

interesting. yeah that's interesting man so that. happened but like quickly. i went there and in 2005 i was able like. to ride my. very first race in mexico city and uh. yeah hippodrome. yeah wow it didn't go well it didn't. yeah. no i've been this last probably by a lot. and did you feel like what happened well. this. i remember the trainer now now i had. changed like different. burns i i think that now now when i was. getting ready to to to finally. debut but do my debut um.

the guy had me some pump and he was like. kid you know i'm gonna. when i put you on a horse i'm gonna make. sure at least you finish. top four you know you don't have to. you're gonna finish top four you know. and i was so pumped so finally. you know when i was walking into the. yogis room and i was like was so excited. i was like. doing this and everything i was so. excited you have on 11 rosaries. oh yeah yeah exactly so i'm going to the. race and the guy. the trainer told me you know i don't.

want you to do anything i want you to. look down and just push your horse try. to change. whips you know like change you you whip. from the right to left. left to right you know i want you to. look pretty i want people to look at you. and you i want you to look good you know. don't look don't worry about every. anything else you know yeah so i'm i. i'm pumped i'm gonna finish top four so. i'm he's no guarantee. i was gonna win but i'm i'm i'm pumped. right so race goes you know we're coming. down the stretch and i'm like. putting my head down and i start riding. my horse and i'm switching sticks.

everything i finally see the wire i'm. gonna stop my horse and. i go i i'm not even kidding you there is. someone. i'm not even kidding you there is some. horses were coming back. [Laughter]. i was like i was so devastated i was. like i wanted to go home i was like oh. maybe i should go right quarter horses. maybe i should just wear it yeah oh my. god. it's so funny just to imagine somebody.

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another question here okay so then you. get up to so how do you get up to canada. then. and why canada well because i got the. opportunity but then like i said then. it took me a l a while to people to know. me and start giving me the chance but. once people give me the chance in mexico. city. i started doing really good okay so i. started picking it up i'm picking up. this team like right away you know i. finished. uh top apprentice in 2005. and i finished top apprentice in 2016. and i only wrote 2016. like maybe like half of the season 2006.

2006 sorry. yeah um um to the mid season because. like on. on on early 2016 somebody from canada. came down to mexico city uh and asking. uh looking. to oh um for an apprentice. and a professional writer okay you know. so somebody said like hey there is guy. um from canada he's looking to. bring some um and he took you up there. yeah he took me up there.

was that cool that was really cool well. it was. the whole experience was cool like again. you don't think about what you get how. how is it going to be there right so now. i'm excited i'm like okay. i called my dad i remember i called my. dad and said hey dad what are you. thinking he's like well you're doing. this. this is i don't by this time of that is. like i don't see you ever coming back to. school so. just go go go try to go all the way see. how far you can go right. and is there money are you making money. there in new mexico. and mexico city i was making because.

like i said look we're very very poor so. i was making like i thought i was like. now i'm really helping my mom i'm. finally buying. some furniture furnish for the house you. know some cows some new tvs you know. i'm upgrading i'm helping my dad my dad. like now we're like. finally living like you know right we. can buy shoes you know. right you're helping out yeah you're. helping out so um. so yeah and like i said i'm picking up. this team you know so i'm i'm. i'm good right now right so um when this. opportunity came. you know everybody was like you know.

what yeah let me encourage you to go my. dad. once my dad told me kind of he was good. like he gave me the. not the okay but kind of like the. reinforcement okay you know like. do the jump i i knew i was going right. so i had to wait for my papers and you. have to ride up there on a horse you fly. up there. no i i flew there my first time in an. airplane too no. so now like it's finally like my day to. go. i remember i was so i was i was always. was like a mama's boy you know. so i remember asking them.

to please please come to mexico city and. sleep with me before i was going before. you before i go you know and y'all slept. there. well in my room you know they came and. stayed with me you know they they. oh yeah to wish you off right yeah yeah. and do you have siblings too or no. i have i have three three siblings i. want i have a younger brother and. a two older sisters and do they ride or. no no no nobody writes. is it a female sport as well or no yeah. of course no no it's female we have. joking uh. female jockeys here in in in um.

california and everywhere every all day. and mexico know much. but now my my brother now became an. agent a jockey agent. and yeah there is probably seven growth. being. jockeys in mexico city is he your agent. yet your brother no. okay no no he has to improve a lot. [Laughter]. dude put nick on a horse or put me on a. rehab dude. um so yeah that's how i ended up in.

canada. with no money i took i know i think i. took like. ten thousand pesos and my goal was like. with this ten thousand pesos. i'm uh i'm gonna exchange for canadian. money. and then i i i'm supposed to have an. agent i supposed to have a place to stay. and i supposed to have a car. how to travel around right this is what. they offered me this is what they told. me. about 500 bucks yet yeah but when i got. there i. i i i exchanged all my money i think i.

got like 400 450 back in the day you. know something like that i don't know. but. less no more than 400. so. um there is like no agent there is no. place to stay so they go. and they put me in this hotel very close. to the racetrack. now i know it's very close i didn't even. know where the ratio was back back in. those days you know. i had to pay for my own hotel right so i. stayed there three nights. and all my money they basically i just. spent my money.

in the hotel and then like um. i had no food i don't speak english i. basically was living like on chips from. a vending machine. somehow i knew what a vending machine. was what kind of chips was it you. remember. potato chips and like some other type of. chips i don't know. i was drinking water i do freeze if i do. a vending machine i do fritos. i don't even think fritos were in canada. back in those days they might not have. been. you know what you could be right about. so i was starving for three days.

you couldn't but that helps your weight. dude so you get on i'm pretty sure i got. super light you know. yeah yeah so i was like you guys show up. at nine pounds. ten ounces on a horse exactly this is. really funny because finally. my agent shows up and now he's taking me. to the racetrack right. oh that's exactly what now this is a. typical agent that's just like hollywood. they show up. just when it's time for you to try and. make some money okay yeah so he took me. to the racetrack. and then um he showed me the racetrack. and when i look at the racetrack i was.

like. i'm used to mexico city run right. in a mile racetrack you know milo this. racetrack is five footlands. it's like compared to a mile strike now. you were like in a very tiny circle. and i was like oh this is a restaurant. like. jesus what am i doing here you know and. i was like okay. i and right then in my head i made my. plan i was like no i'm gonna ride one. week. if i win whatever i win buy my ticket. i'm going back i'm out of here i'm not.

gonna stay here you know so that's what. happened i rode there. the first week i won like four races. something like that you know. and then i must i couldn't wait for like. payday right. and then i was like okay where's the. check so they come with the news and be. like no we pay here every. every 15 every two weeks oh so i'm like. oh god damn it i had to stay. no there will be another night okay. i i i'll wait another week i wait. another week. win another four races i don't know how. many races i want but i know when they.

check him. it says like around like sixteen. thousand fifteen thousand something like. that wow. and then the first thing i did is like. go to the calculator how many pesos are. these things you know. and it was a lot of pesos and i was like. i'm gonna stay here. i'm gonna stay here this is not too bad. that's crazy man and so you stayed in. canada for how long. i stay in canada all the way up to 2011. that's cool i love canada man so nice. he's in vancouver too vancouver.

oh yeah vancouver's cool man kitts beach. or something is that out there. it's a different it's not it's not it's. not that's not the name of the. saint kitts or something is there a kids. i should know i i lived there like uh. yeah you probably yeah i should have. known but i'm hoping. you go to the beach there sometime like. they have like rocks and like. i love canada yeah yeah and the people. are people are super nice. people are super nice people are so nice. in canada man i don't know how they did.

it. now they can't solve this cove i think. canada is still closed from covent. has mexico been closed for covington i. don't think they never really close. i don't think they never really closed. america it's the biggest bunch of bull i. feel like it's such the biggest. i used to have those stocks when. discovered began you know because i was. like i. think everybody was really following a. lot and i was following a lot what's. happening in mexico and i hear like the. new president talk and. how he was like you know um his. explanation for these buyers and. everything like that and. and there's his reason why he wouldn't.

close the borders and yeah. people would be some restriction but he. would not close the borders you know. and then i was like why can't united. state do this and not. even my wife was like you know this. president doesn't know what he's doing. you know he's gonna like. because the health care system in mexico. is not not the same. it's not the same as here right so i was. like well we'll see we choose we'll see. right and and it's fine it's fine. unbelievable. it's unbelievable man you can even see. it here like you look florida you look.

texas you look. yeah or even even even california you. know like how many. uh um you know we went like super crazy. shot everything down now that everything. is going back to normal. you know um everything's fine everything. is fine you know so yeah it's weird. everything's just suddenly back and. everything yeah it's like nothing really. changed right like even in our job now. like going into. delmar season in san diego now they're. it seems that it's gonna it's nice but.

now for us in this regard into covet. it's almost like that now they they say. they're not forcing us. to get the vaccine but they really are. because now is like uh if i want to go. and do my normal training in the. mornings. i have to be vaccinated oh yeah. otherwise. i'm not going to be allowed to go in the. mornings and train i'm going to be. allowed to race. but i need to be in a separate room and. to me. look i'm not educated or highly educated. or anything but to me it's like.

we all the same family we're riding here. in santa anita nobody's getting tested. what's different for right now. why it's gonna has to be so strict in. delmar than what it is right now. so but now it does those are the rules. and we need to apply to the rules and. it's the same thing this guy cole. beasley who plays for i think buffalo. now. um he just said the same thing that he's. a lot he's a wide receiver. for nfl for american football and he has. to. uh he doesn't want to get vaccinated but. now he has to like practice.

separate it's just ridiculous like what. he can play but he's still allowed to. play in the game. i know it's just crazy it's like right. now right now. i'm allowed to go in the mornings do my. and we're not testing. you know we're just we still we're not. doing anything. you know you know even the restaurants. you know why why can't you just if. everything is open now i think they're. going to have a little bit of. restrictions. i don't know well it's just it's also. crazy like the mask man is lifted in la. right. also in tennessee but if you're on an.

airplane you have to have a mask on in. between. it's like for what and also the whole. time like so i've been living in. tennessee a lot during the pandemic. and like everyone in florida isn't dead. everyone in tennessee actually has been. having a great time. and it's just i don't know it doesn't. really make any sense you could say. whatever you want about the science but. even the. if you test the science in reality which. is how you create science. um with hypothesis certainly huge cities. not getting sick yeah has to be a valid.

test. yeah no definitely but it's amazing that. mexico didn't even shut down i knew that. i knew they didn't i couldn't get it to. myself like i've been. in mexico i've been to like there were. some frustrations but there was like but. you were allowed you were still allowed. to go to. um to cross the border and go and i'm. sure there's still restaurants and. things like that you know yeah. people and even lighting i was thinking. i've been afraid a couple times like. i'm like you telling me that they. wandered through africa and got masks on.

everyone in africa you're out of your. mind yeah it just all seemed kind of. crazy um. let's get into a couple more questions. we have one right here that came in from. these two. well here we go right here what are. these called these uh. uh track rack track tricks. i don't know what you call them track. rats beautiful ladies i'm going to call. them. heydio hey mario we just had a quick. question we're from louisville. and we're just trying to figure out. where all the rich horse trainers and.

owners. hang out at oh dad they came out. bars or restaurants or golf courses that. we should start going to. and thea will see you september 18th to. celebrate. my best friend's 21st birthday in. cincinnati. oh congratulations yeah that's insane. gang that the cincinnati show is going. to be great man. uh yeah i guess these ladies are looking. to meet some of the owners. they had to somehow manage to get into. swedes and ready. yeah no like i said the people that own.

the horses. um they're like they're you know like. a different level you know so yeah. actually but now there is like a. something called popular they're doing. like these syndicates you know like when. there is like. a group of people a group of people. there is a guys there is a couple guys. they're doing it. here in santa anita too where like. there's two guys they get a bunch of. people chipping a little bit of money. and then they they're on like small. pieces of a horse you know. and then oh interesting could theo just. like.

buy a horse that is i think he can. afford a horse but but that's already. i don't know about that i'll tell you. this if i can i'll tell you what horse. it is it's named tom thumb and i met him. one time at the pasadena fair and it's. the world you get to name your horse. whatever you want well actually you. choose how to you have to uh. yeah what is it like there is we have. some type of. oh you have to send the name send the. name to a company and then they will. give you the okay. but there is a bunch of little tricks. that you can you can do so. but could theo just buy one that's. already like trained and ready to go.

and then have you as yes rider yeah that. is different that's. that's they say does it really. complicate to explain that because we. have like. all type of races like in a whole car if. i can show you up you know we have. what it calls claiming racing okay yeah. and then i think the lowest we have here. in santa anita um is like 20. this is the horse i'm at right here and. that's tom thumb. you see him right there he is so tiny. you may want to take him home. four-legged superhero right there so. everyone can meet the world. how long are you going to be here today.

for maybe he's going to. he'll be here all day how small. um so so someone can buy say how does. someone get in a claiming race what is. that oh. but that's kind of like the low level. level races you know horses they cannot. compete in a lounge race you know. they're like.

they're a little bit lesser you know. that you you try to put them where they. can. win you know so you okay you don't want. to break the horse hard you know so you. kind of. had to first find where his level at and. then raise them there so he can be. competitive you know. so there is i think it's 20 some. thousand dollars the cheapest we have. here maybe maybe a little bit cheaper. and then uh so. you choose contact you trainer or a. trainer there and say hey i'm so-and-so. and i want to claim a horse and you. can't claim that horse.

and put him in the race well you had to. do this you had to do that while he's. racing. oh so so after the race right. it's yours no if you put the claim in. before. before he's going to race right so. now if the claimant goes through that. means the horse nothing happens to the. horse the horse. clears the veterinarian and everything. because they want to make sure that the. new owner gets. a sound horse you know okay so because. you already put the clam and the horse. came back from the race good now.

you won't you're just yourself really. you just pick him up that's it you just. pick him up and. and call your trainer and then and get. him going huh get him going. that's how you do it that's what i said. you can own a horse we could do it we. have room here i think maybe. i would name it i have one horse. actually brendan that we keep back here. sometimes but. um that's a different show he eats. kratom and nicotine yeah. definitely he's on a unique diet. what are the fitness things that you do. fitness-wise to stay in shape man i. train boxing.

you do yeah yeah i train boxing just. because that's the. that's what i love right and then uh. that's the only thing that i can i'm. actually excited to go and do. you know i try doing the normal uh. training you know the cardio and. weights and these things but it's just. like it it's not exciting it's not. exciting for me you know but. i go boxing and gets me the cardio it. gives me the strength or. something and are there other exercises. that they ask that that help you be a. jockey or is it just about kind of. keeping your weight down keeping your.

weight down you have well we gotta we. we write like i said we train a lot of. horses during the week so that. kind of we get our fitness somehow from. there too like. um we can do some type of a lot of. squats you know a lot of leg work you. know. our legs need to be strong our core our. arms because the position you're in can. you bring that up nick do you mind just. hit when he's on a horse. yeah because you're real i mean you're. in there the goal is to stay as small as. possible yeah i. did not make them yeah and is there a. certain like a. new like a nucleus point on the horse.

you want to stay. on top of kind of in the center yeah. okay. wow man and some. do do can now can a little person like. or they used to call but a little. person can they be a jockey or no. they could they i didn't i think that. would be difficult because the arm. length you know it probably. okay so you have to have more so the arm. length is a little bit limited yeah or. maybe they wouldn't be as. strong as you know the push would be. like yeah i'm just curious as if.

why that why why wouldn't more men or. women like that be. a b b jockeys and what about a child. anybody ever try to sneak a child in. there can a child do it no no you had to. be. i think you had to be 16 i think is. probably the. youngest you can understand probably 18. but you have to be signed by your. parents. and so does the horse getting that guy. he's gonna. who's gonna do it yeah. dude yeah he could do it man i would.

like to see him do it huh i think that. would be dangerous. we need to send him down to the hippo uh. hippodrome. yeah mexico yeah yeah we need to send. him down to mexico city managed to see. what happens to him. um do you so the horse gets excited when. it wins does it know you feel like the. horse knows that it won't oh yeah i. think so. i'm not gonna tell you every horses you. know but yeah they know they know where. they win they even get they probably you. know because they have a groom right the. groom is the one that. they probably spend the most amount of.

time with a groom you know every. single day from super early to super. late in the afternoon you know so. i mean these grooms love these. horses right so if if if their horse win. you know they probably get the extra. carry. the extra so they really know everything. everything. bobbing for apples whatever they want. yeah wow. i'm trying to think of some other. questions that we had nick did anything. pop in your head or anything good come. in here's a question from a beautiful. young lady obviously and this is. from the dust bowl era um this question.

and that's just a joke ladies are. beautiful kids and that one kid looks a. little bit like i'm going to say it like. hezbollah who just sent in. uh. what's up and mario we are from. saskatoon saskatchewan in canada. and we have a question from mario our. race track in town is closing down and. they are opening a new one. outside of town the first nation people.

are going to open it up. and i was just wondering if you have any. superstitions. riding on an old track that's tried and. true versus riding on a brand new track. gang gang gang gang oh that's it. that's so good superstitions yeah i. think we all have little superstitions. you know. yeah yeah uh one of my name first like. let's say like we have big days of. racing big days when like when like. they're expensive races you know. and if whatever i'm wearing if i'm have.

a. if i don't have a good day you know i. never wear that. um for a big day uh oh okay. yeah but i think we all have a little. superstition is there more superstitions. you think between latino riders. or uh or any other type of writers do. you notice one or the other really or no. no but i i really think if everything. everybody will have a little bit of. something you know like. even if it's settled you know like just. you don't do this type of thing before.

you're going to race you know there is. some people there is a very common. thing to say to owners or or trainers. to to say hey i see you in the winter. circle and some people. hate hate okay so they won't say certain. things. jinx themselves themselves and things. like that you know um. do you uh is there will you wear socks. and stuff during a thing like do you. wear what do you wear to keep yourself. as light as possible. well our equipment is super light uh. what i didn't yeah i mean this weighs. probably all this total probably weighs.

three pounds so probably like our pants. socks beds and undershirts. alone is probably like only two pounds. less than two pounds. you know and will you eat that morning. or you usually will kind of just have. something lighter i have something light. at you because you don't like you don't. want to go right with your belly full. you know like i have a coffee and i have. like you know like a piece of bread or. things like that you know. okay that one is an accident yeah so i. was gonna ask. mario have you had bad accidents i just. saw this on your instagram you were. sending a message to your fans telling.

them you were okay back in september. 2020. yeah back in september i think that was. a very hard one i got a good concussion. out of. out of that one you know so i landed on. my head. it just landed and i didn't move i got. scared because i never landed that way. and then um what is it like um. i just felt a pain that i didn't feel. before and i was like oh my god i'm as. good as gone. that's exactly what i thought but then i. was gonna be in the wheelchair you can. do the chariot races yeah. exactly unfortunately we have a lot of.

fellow jokers that. you know they get hurt they get hurt. like that and then that happened we. will share and so what happens what is. the number one accident that happens. with uh with horses and with uh with. racing is it. that the horse stops and you fly off is. that you get knocked off is it the. trampoline like what's the top deal. that really gets you hampered out it's. like for example. um you can get trapped like a my last. fall. i have a little clips you know there is. like inexperienced writers. but not an expert right somebody.

sometimes a rider can be a little bit. careless you know. get too involved in the race and start. shifting you know and then you get. you get sandwiched in between horses and. you now your horse. uh clip hills you know trips and with. other horse legs and then. i think that's the scariest part you. know and then sometimes so that would be. the scariest thing. yeah that would be the scariest thing. you know because then like there is. nothing in your control you know that is. like. you choose waiting i remember back in. when that happened. i was i i can see the guy shifting but.

he was shifting a lot and i'm like okay. he's gonna realize he's doing this a lot. and then so i kept riding my horse right. i can because i had a hole to go through. i kept writing kept writing he kept. going and by the time i'm like it. realized okay he is not gonna. he's not gonna stop right another horse. was coming way faster. in my outside and that's how the. sandwich happened and by that time it. was too late for me to do anything and. i just tried to hold as hard as i could. my horse trip and. i went flying and is it uh.

where where can the horse see when it's. running what can it say well horses go. like they can see. like uh to to their side but the hor the. eyes are like a little bit on the side. so they they. they're aware of horses coming behind. you know. they can look backwards that though and. is it only man horses that run or female. horses. really only female only female horses. you can write them. like you can mix each other you know you. can but that's not very common. but phillies run with the phillies um. mel's one with the males but.

we don't we don't um we have equality on. the sport so a female. can run with the guys so like in the. kentucky derby move this a little closer. come on. in the kentucky derby like is it man in. that race is it male horses or female. horses or it's both. i don't know you gotta get out of here. is both is both uh. um i think one female um horse won the. kentucky derby wow yeah i don't remember. what the name. of the horse but yeah a female is not. very common. you know but like you know they can run. there's no restrictions whatsoever.

for a female horse not to enter that you. just have to. qualify if you good enough to qualify. you can you can run so. more more commonly a lot of the horses. that you ride are male horses. i know both yeah do you notice a. difference in the horses oh yeah yeah. oh yeah the girls are more feisty you. have to treat them differently. you have to treat them differently. oh they're so gotta take them to the. movies oh you have to be so unkind and.

nice to them. and open the door. wow i have a lot of language feelings. with female horses. really a lot of what phillies luck you. know but they do run really well for me. really yeah maybe they like you huh yes. okay. yeah i can see it man yeah handsome guy. i could see it. winning colors genuine risk and regret.

yeah the only phillies to win the. kentucky derby it doesn't look like any. female jockeys have won. no no no no they haven't won one i don't. think there's a female joke. nick did you have something else that. kind of popped up uh just with like. uh the gambling like how. there's always such a heavy favorite. where are they getting that information. from what is that based off of if. because the horses don't. have a ton of history behind them from. what i understand they race for like a.

year or two. so like how do they know who's the. favorite and. yeah you know they did we had like they. have the past performances. you know you you can see for example um. or. they they um we they record the workouts. as well you know so if a horse is. working in. good times you know uh so that tends to. be the. oh how they doing it you know there's. cameras female them in the mornings how. they're working and things like that you. know. and is all that available to the public. if you want a research yeah yeah that's.

available you buy it perhaps dude. there is people only there is like the. the the hardcore. handicappers the hard core gamblers you. know. they you go you buy this book and you. study this book and. you can see the past performance what. they have all kinds of descriptions. whether the horse did. if he got in any kind of trouble he. broke leg from the. gate oh that has all kinds of things you. know dang. speed figures and all these type of. things it goes too crazy. and can a horse spit do they spit what i.

don't think so no i don't think those. are like. llamas i think yeah right yeah yeah. you're right. could you see yourself venturing out and. getting on the back of a different. animal you ever think about it. oh it's just like make a like like a so. it's not. like as time goes on maybe when you know. when when the horse and days are over. maybe getting on uh. what's the one sometimes they put kids. on the thing the little uh. oh yeah no no i think one sleep or. something yeah. once i retire once i retire.

i i think i'm gonna choose to stay like. you know. focus on my family because like who's. raising the only like. different about that is like we are. all year round no no breaks no breaks. for us you know. and no breaks it's not that you can't. take up you you i can't i can say you. know what i want to take a month off. but the the thing is that like i cannot. afford to do that because if you're. doing good. you need to keep that business you need. to keep that business because the moment.

you're gone. there's somebody else that is gonna be. riding those horses it's like podcasting. man in some ways i think it's like any. business you know you want to stick it. with it while you can yeah and if i and. if you're doing. bad then you have to stay there every. day to. to somehow right to get better to get. better right now to get some. and that's that's i probably put my kid. in that yeah be fun huh. could you imagine how fun that is if. you're a kid because you're probably not. going to get that hurt. yeah and you're just the crowd loves it. when you. when those kids come out that'll.

probably be really fun. um i could do that i could see myself. doing that it looks so. warm too so fluffy. yeah um that looks like brendan's kid a. little bit doesn't it. it really does um here's a question. right here from a young man i believe. he's sent in a question before i feel. like this fella i've seen him but it's. nice to see him again. what's up theo it's my birthday so i. wanted to send a little question for. your little equine piggyback. fella you got there when i went to a.

horse race i did a little bet. so i was wondering if maybe the jockeys. got in on that and maybe. talking to the friend hey i'm gonna beat. you i bet you 10 bucks. or maybe you know maybe they just talk. all the time when they're up there. on it in them horses. so thanks thank you brother happy. birthday man that's a good question. is there any is there any greg. williamson going on there's any cross. betting amongst the group you guys do. any. no we don't cross bed but we're like.

like we're so competitive with each. other because that's the only other. thing like. us joking we're freelances we don't make. money we don't really like if you really. want to make. good money you have to be able to you. have to be winning really. you have yeah that's the only time you. know that's the only time you really. make money you know winning you know. like say if i ride five horses in a week. and i finish last and all of them. i'll probably get yeah what do they get. 600 bucks. okay so you get a small amount for. racing and if you win. then you get percentage of the purse.

like say kentucky derby so that horse. won. yeah i get 10 of whatever that horse. made okay what did that horse make let's. look it up. maybe like one point 1.6 million. so you get 160 000 or whatever you get. at 10 and now is that on. any any race you win. wow interesting yeah that's really cool. man. so wow so it's really on you you got to. get out there and do it huh. yeah yeah you have to get so yeah so to.

that's that. uh that question yeah there is like like. because there's a lot of competition. between us riders you know i can be like. you 10 bucks i beat you in this race you. know that type of thing right is there. some. are there some riders that are just like. all ego and just maniacs oh yeah yeah. yeah. there is a lot of fights and there is. all kinds of you know like if somebody. cuts you off and from like you know. we have fights we have all kinds this is. hilarious hilarious dude. he's really hilarious what's up purse so. the derby is 1.8 million so that's a. huge payday but what's it like a right. you're doing these horses.

races weekly what are the person. regularly barriers is like from like uh. i think 25 000 dollar plus here is the. lowest one. and then it goes up to in a norm on a. regular day it goes to like you know. sixty five thousand dollars seven. thousand dollars and so if you have four. races today. right say you have four races today and. if the average race is a forty thousand. dollar race for the day. so if you won all four of them then you. could make forty thousand then. right is that right no no four thousand. times sixteen you can make around.

sixteen thousand. or something like that that's great wow. that's cool man. yeah and does all their money come from. the betting. yeah the racetrack i think the betting. the racetrack puts up that uh. that money you know the racetrack puts. the first money you know and. so no actually it doesn't come from the. the the racer keeps all the. all the money all the betting money yeah. the racer does put the burst yeah but uh. the birds don't necessarily come from. from the beddings because otherwise. we'll get a percent of betting it will.

be probably much better for. get that pay-per-view money then yeah. yeah um so then where you guys money. comes from what the entry phase you. think or something. who knows some i really don't know that. part of it. but somehow the racer puts up that money. i i think i think it's. a share of the gambling it's not all the. gambling money is the purse. but they probably take apart from there. you know but like i said but we don't. they don't share. that right they're not sharing all of it. yeah yeah they never are dude. so they never are people paying for.

parking you ain't getting a share of. that there's a lot of things. you ain't getting to share that. enchilada yeah there's a lot of things. you're not getting a share of. yeah so wow mario i'm just trying to. think of any other thing that really. anything bro. so now when would you switch hands with. the whip does that matter. yeah sometimes yeah uh it matters. because some horses like it better you. know or sometimes when. you know the horse is still trying but. you need that little extra push you know. you. all of a sudden touch them from there. from the other side they get a little. they're like. a little uh extra extra kick extra push.

you know like so all those little like. type but now we go into like super. little details you know that yeah little. details matter you know. sometimes if you move a little bit too. early you won't you're not gonna be able. to get there or you get there. too too late or or you move too soon and. then somebody. you don't get that enough at the same. time. it's so interesting because a car like a. race car you're in. you have you you have an amount of gas. that you know everything is so. finite yes but with a horse it's like.

kind of. you don't really know so there's this. but but that's our job that's why we. have to know right now. unfortunately yeah we don't know if we. don't have an uh if the horse they give. us all mid race. yeah there's nothing we can do but. sometimes that happens sometimes you. just get on a horse mid-race yeah. no yes or you don't sometimes you don't. work with the horses in advance yeah no. sometimes you don't you sometimes you. choose get. uh you you that day you just writing. that oh you somebody put you in a horse. that you never read in that you never. have even training you know.

so now it's our job to like try to. figure it out. in 10 minutes you know what that horse. is like you know or even through the. race you know try. try to um um manage to see. okay how is this horse am i still having. something and he still horse is this. horse still have something he's gonna. have something for the end. all of that you know we have to be able. to to tell you know. [Music]. did you uh when you chose your wife did. was she. did you choose a smaller woman because. you want to make another jockey kind of. no. my wife is still she is actually all my.

oldest they're tall yeah my all my. girlfriends i don't think i ever have a. a uh had a a girlfriend. like us same same children or the same. height as me yeah i like that i like. it i like girl i like big girls taller. though. yeah yeah yeah yeah big difference hey. whatever. english yeah uh any other good questions. that came in nick from. videos you said it's when your body. tells you how you feel and how long do. you plan on going.

i'm personally my goal is just to do. this another six years you know 40 yeah. to 40 and that's that's it like you said. you sacrificed a lot you know. like you always travelling and like my. wife. like you know there we have it's very. hard. to make friends you know because like. friends usually do things on the weekend. on the weekend when i'm i'm writing. right so even if my wife hey let's make. plans like it's all. that i'm like i'm never available for. those type of things even for my. for my uh kid you know like there i can. be. choose a part of the community of his.

school or i'm not available for those. things you know so it's a lot. this is the type of things that like i. know i'm sacrificing right now. that's why i'm gonna i want to try to. give my all by the time i reach 40 i. want to be able to have something where. i can. lay back and be able to live of that and. just be with my family. yeah how often do you get to so you live. here in los angeles. in los angeles okay how often do you get. to be at home then. right now mostly with santa anita yeah. most of in santa anita but then like i. said we go. to um to um san diego then back to.

orange county there is another race. track in orange county yeah. uh but this is local so locally we're. moving a lot right. but then uh before let's say before. covet you know like. i ride for this guy that owns a lot of. horses so usually he gets. good horses when you get a good horse. you don't necessarily compete. just here at santanita if there is a big. race in louisiana or kentucky or new. york miami you know. you travel to this to these places you. know so.

there's a lot of traveling going on you. know that's cool man is there one place. that's not the is that like the the. is it fun to race in louisiana is it fun. to race in miami is like the place. that's really kind of cool to race miami. seems like real beautifully yeah. miami is cool like uh i like going to. dubai. dubai is good dubai yeah wow really. yeah dubai is cool what is it about it. it's like too extravagant you know like. it's like rich. people eating gold she basically yeah.

the racetrack is like. eating other people i think it goes like. 2 billion to beat the racetrack there is. a. there is like the hotel you can watch. the race oh it's. just beautiful it's fancy huh and a lot. of money too. that's crazy sometimes it's crazy to me. how much money some people have. i know me too isn't it crazy what are. they gonna do with it i mean you're not. gonna live eternally. yeah it seems so crazy and then you. would see other people be poor. it just is crazy to me sometimes yeah.

but. i don't think you really realize when. you like i remember. i was very poor you know like i mean you. were struggling you know. a lot but all the way up to maybe. 12 13 years old like that never really. occurred to me i was happy i was. laughing i know my mom loved me. yeah it's just my dad love us you know. like yeah we know that we didn't. because you were aware of things that. you don't have you know we didn't have. tv with you. but like that wasn't like uh something.

for to be asked to be depressed about i. think the older you get you know. even now you know like sometimes i feel. guilt oh i feel that i try to think. about my parents because now i'm a. parent you know my kid then. we're going to you know to the store or. we're going to this i'm like. i want that i want this and for me to be. able to provide for him and kind of like. whatever he wants i buy him you know. and then to think geez you know what. like i remember me. as a kid when i was a kid asking for. things but. i i never i never got any yeah you know. i never got any i i.

now i go back and be like you know how. hard but you know i will feel right now. if my kid is asking me for. something and i it's just like it will. break your heart you know so. i give it to my dad for that you know i. mean that that probably was probably one. of the hardest part for a parent to be. able to. give something that a kid is asking for. you know. oh yeah i bet man yeah i remember some. of the gifts we would get even growing. up were just like regular. i remember my mom gave us something one. time that we already had at home she. just wrapped it up oh really.

listen to me this is ours. i have a little bit of a sad story funny. story i. i tell people sometimes now um. i always used to write to santa freaking. santa never. never like never got me anything right. so i probably was around like eight. years old. and i uh um i was writing to santa. and i don't know what i was asking for. but i know i know he didn't. give me what i asked for and then but.

i remember riding put in the car um and. then the next day woke up and a present. was there so i was like. holy it worked like. he didn't forget me this year you know. so i'm all excited i go. unwrap the present and i remember i had. like this little soldier. you know and i think i asked for a. remote control car or something like. that. and i was so mad i was so pissed off i. was like you know this is. how can you get it wrong and i was like.

unbelievable you never came and. when you came you give me the wrong. thing you didn't even you didn't even. give me what i asked for you know and i. was like. making this huge tantrum and i didn't. talk anything about it you know. until now that i'm an adult i'd be like. you know like my dad probably. bought his ass to be able to provide. that day and. for me to be able to that kind of brush. my heart a little bit when i think about. that. yeah it's hard to fit it's hard. sometimes it's weird to think how kit. like. what parents want for their and then how. kids sometimes are just unappreciative.

but there's nothing you can do you're. just a kid you don't know anything yeah. you don't know. yeah when you're a kid you don't know. anybody you know and sometimes it's like. a clue. my mom would give us a shoulder be like. hey you should join the military. yeah um i think man dude mario thank you. so much man. i really appreciate it dude i really. appreciate you coming in and just. talking to us it's so. interesting just to think about what's. going on now and now when i watch the.

race i'm gonna have such kind of a. different inkling. is there any point my last question is. there any point in the race where you. would stand up on the horse or no. the goal is just oh no yeah like if you. like if you kind of. sense something like wrong with the. horse you know like all of a sudden you. feel funny steps on the horse like. yeah you you pull up that horse you know. like you don't wanna. like you try to like i say this is this. is our partners you know like i. horses give me everything i have you. know horses took me from property. sent me to canada give me a good point.

give me give me my i i. got my wife got my child beautiful home. now that i own so all through horses all. through horses you know so i have an. amazing amount of love for them so every. time that i i feel you know something is. just not right. you know i'll stop the horse you know. i'll stop the horse because you know. like i say that's. i'm so grateful and thankful that uh. like i'm able to do what i do you know. yeah wow that's so interesting man one. day you were gonna have you had to come. if you're not to the racetrack you'll. have to come to the farm where my my.

wife have that. yeah can i go one time yeah of course. dude i would love that man. you'll have a lot of fun i would love to. go get on a horse that'd be freaking. crazy we should come to uh. i don't know if san diego is gonna i. think san diego is gonna have. open open full crowd you should come to. opening del mar del mar. when is it do you know it's a july 16. opening day you should come to opening. day in del mar. i can maybe make that salad you you like. it a lot of del mar is cool too not a. pretty ladies. is there oh a lot oh i'll take it tamar. is beautiful. yeah lamar's a beautiful area most of.

the girls are drunk before the first. race. that's a neutral note yeah as long as. the whole as long as. long as the horses are sober yeah. they're they're going to be sober. nothing gets what matters yeah you. should definitely. do yeah we'll swap information man i'd. love to come to one that'd be cool. thank you a lot thank you for having me. i was like i couldn't believe it i was. so. i was when you guys reached out i was. like i can't i was like like i say like. a little groupie. oh that's cool well yeah and thank. walker bueller man he's the one who was.

telling me he was we're just talking. about jockeys the other day. and uh and i was like yeah we gotta have. a jockey and thank you nick. nick reached out and connected with you. so mario gutierrez man thank you so much. for coming in man thank you thank you. yeah good luck in the races. now i'm just floating on the breeze and. i feel i'm falling. like these leaves i must be. cornerstone. oh but when i reach that ground i'll. share this piece of mind i found i can.

feel it. in my bones but it's gonna take. a little time. for me to set that parking brake. [Music]. i'll sit and tell you my story.

[Music]. [Music]. just. and now i've been moving way too fast on. the runaway train with a heavy load of. my. hands. and these wells that i've been robbing. they want something.