The Roswell Alien Interview | Your Soul Has Been Here Thousands of Times

This episode of the Y Files is brought. to you by the Wellness Company. In 2007, Lawrence Spencer found a thick. envelope in his mailbox. It was full of. military documents from the 1940s. Some are routine duty rosters and. schedule memos. Some were stamped top. secret, but all were from Roswell Army. Airfield. Spencer also found transcripts of. strange interviews. At first, they. couldn't communicate with the subject. The military brought in translators,

scientists, even cryptographers, but. nothing worked. Finally, they learned. the only way to communicate was. telepathically. And there were pages of. predictions, warnings, strange. technology, and a secret war. Nothing. made sense. Then Spencer found a page. that explained everything. It said. Roswell AAF, 509th Bomb Group, alien. interview, July 8th, 1947. [music].

You see, that means your baby is still. alive. >> Yeah, a human. I'm dying. >> You're not dying? >> I went to urgent care yesterday with a. scratchy throat. I sat in a waiting room. for 5 hours and now I got something. worse. >> What do you mean worse? >> When a guy next to me was coughing into. the magazine basket and not near a. human, into it. direct deposit. And I watched a woman sneeze on a. vending machine and then pressed the.

buttons. >> That's Yeah, that's pretty gross. >> Oh, the worst part is she got mountain. >> Wow. >> And then a kid wiped his nose on dirty. >> on her hump. She didn't even flinch. She. just stood there and accepted it like. some kind of biological collection site. And the beaver brothers, they licked the. water fountain. Wh why? >> But they dead each other, [laughter]. which means they dead themselves, human. There was no external pressure. It was a.

closed loop system of bad decisions. >> So, did you even get treated? >> Treated? Yeah. I saw a doctor for like. 90 seconds. He looked at my throat with. a popsicle stick, said, "Look, shred. charged me $400, and told me to rest and. stay hydrated.". >> That's it. >> That's it. bought it all this for advice. my grand gave me for free and her cure. for everything was egg salad and the. rosary. >> So you went in with a sore throat and. came out. >> You came out with the plague? The.

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>> I'm ordering now and I'm shutting down Y. checkpoint. >> Thank you. Now he just flagged Gertie at. 165 degrees. That's medium well human. >> Yeah, I know, baby. I know. I don't. think it's funny either. Matilda Mroy was a nurse in the US Army. and she had a secret. A secret that.

could get her killed. [music] So, she. kept her mouth shut. Then she got. cancer. With only a few weeks to live, [music]. Matilda packed up a stack of military. documents and mailed them to Lawrence. Spencer. She read his book about. unexplained phenomena, The Oz Factors. She decided he was the only person who. might take her seriously. Her letter was. handwritten and desperate. I have kept. this secret for [music] 60 years. Now. I'm 84 years old. I decided to tell this. story because I think people should know.

the truth. Her story started July 8th, 1947. Matilda was a flight nurse with. the Women's Army Air Force assigned to. the 509th Bomb Group at Roswell. [music]. When she got to base that morning, she. knew something happened. There were. armed guards at places that didn't. [music] have guards yesterday. Unfamiliar faces everywhere. Some wore. uniforms, some wore suits, but all of. them seemed nervous. Matilda was on her. way to the station hospital when two MPs. asked her to follow them. They were.

polite enough, but she knew it wasn't a. request. A colonel met her at the. entrance of a hanger. He told her that a. craft came down in the desert. They. recovered a survivor, but [music] it. wasn't responding to communication. Her. job was to determine if it needed. medical attention. Matilda thought it. was strange he used the word it. She had. no idea what it could be until they went. into a dimly lit room at the back of the. hanger. And there in the corner, sitting. on a small chair, was a being about 3 ft. tall, gray skin, large head, no hair,

three fingers on each hand, nose, no. mouth, no ears. Its body didn't look. biological, more like a doll made of. plastic or rubber, no internal organs, no reproductive system. >> A hairless plastic doll body with no. reproductive system. H sounds like it. was just a ken. >> Please, I don't need Mattel's lawyers. coming after me. >> Fine, fine, fine. Palish plastic doll. body with no reproductive system. Uh, sounds like that thing you got hidden in. the closet. >> Okay, can I get back?

>> Technically, your doll kind of has a. reproductive system. >> That's enough. [screaming]. >> The men were treating it like a problem. to solve. Matilda treated it like a. patient. She walked over calmly and sat. down next to it. No visible injuries, no. bleeding. Whatever this thing was, it. didn't seem to be in pain. She leaned. forward to speak and before she opened. her mouth, a thought entered her mind. But the thought wasn't hers. >> Not injured. The body I occupy is not a. body such as yours. I do not require.

food or atmosphere, but I need water. >> Matilda expected to be afraid, but she. wasn't. The thoughts were calm, familiar, even. She [music] sensed this. being was female and she wasn't. dangerous. Matilda introduced herself. with a thought and the being responded. the same way. >> I am called Arrol. You are the only one. here who does not hide their thoughts. from me. >> She interviewed Arrol for 6 weeks. [music] The transcripts filled hundreds. of pages. Arrol told Matilda about a.

war. A war that had been going on for. thousands of years across thousands of. galaxies. A war that most humans didn't. know about and couldn't. Because. according to Arrol, humans aren't what. they think they are. Not even close. Matilda spent 6 weeks telepathically. communicating with an alien being who.

called herself Arrol. Arrol was an. officer from the domain, a civilization. that controlled about one quarter of the. physical universe. Not the galaxy, the. universe. The domain has operated in this region. of space for trillions of years. Our. civilization is ancient above all. others. Our only goal is to progress. >> The domain operated on planets, moons, and asteroids across thousands [music]. of galaxies. But they weren't alone. An. older civilization called the Old Empire.

had controlled this region of space for. a very long time. And the Old Empire ran. things differently. Where the domain. expanded through exploration, the old. empire maintained control through force, nuclear weapons, electronic warfare, and. mind control on a planetary scale. >> Mind control on a planetary scale. Well, I think the CIA just lit a cigarette and. said that usually doesn't happen that. fast. >> The two civilizations fought for. thousands of years. Eventually, the.

domain won. The war was over. Or it. should have been. The problem was the. old empire had bases, equipment, and. automated systems scattered across. thousands of worlds. Most shut down when. the government fell, but some systems. kept running on their own, and one of. them was in our solar system. Arrol was sent to investigate. Her craft. was hit by an electrical discharge. [music] that knocked out navigation. She. crashed outside Roswell. Matilda asked how she survived the.

crash. Why wasn't she injured or in. pain? I am an ISBE, an immortal spiritual. being. An ISBE exists as pure awareness. We can create, move, and perceive across. any distance. We only use physical form. as a tool. >> So, bodies are optional. Arrol's people. put one on for a mission, then took. [music] it off when the job was done. The gray body sitting in that chair at. Roswell was just a vehicle. Arrol.

explained that every conscious being in. the universe [music] is an immortal. spiritual being, even humans. But Matilda said humans aren't immortal, and they obviously can't project their. consciousness anywhere in the universe. >> You can, and you have for many years, but not since you were sent here. >> That's when Arrow explained the truth. about Earth. It wasn't a planet. It was. a prison. [music].

Arrol said, "All humans are ISBES and. we're traveling the universe as pure. consciousness for thousands or even. millions of years. We even have memories. of our infinite lives, but we're cut off. from our abilities because Earth is a. prison. The Old Empire built the prison. around 8,000 BC and started filling it. political dissident, artists, freethinkers, anyone the regime.

considered dangerous. The old empire. called them untouchables. That's us. >> They put free thinkers in prison. Uh, it. sounds like Facebook in 2021. >> It does. >> Oh, Canada today. >> Okay. >> And England. >> I got it. Billions of us dumped on a backwater. planet at the edge of the galaxy. Placed. into fragile bodies that suffer, age, and die. Death should set the spirit free, but a. shield around the solar system prevents. [music] escape. If Earth was the prison, the shield was the fence. Arrol.

described each step the way an engineer. describes a machine. When a person dies, the shield detects the spirit and pulls. it into a processing station. There, memories are wiped, not just of the last. life, of every previous [music] life. Gone. Then the old empire runs a second. program, hypnotic [music] implants. They. project images directly into the. spirit's awareness. A tunnel of light, dead loved ones, spiritual guides.

That's why all near-death experiences. sound the same across cultures. [music]. It's in the programming. None of it's. real. It's a recycling system disguised. as an afterlife. Then memories are. implanted. Creation stories and moral. codes designed to trigger guilt and. obedience. Once the spirit is wiped and. reprogrammed, [music] it's sent back to. Earth in a new infant body. Die, forget, return. [music] This was control that. spanned across lifetimes. >> Control across lifetimes.

Sounds like my ex-wife's wet dream. >> Which ex-wife? >> Oh, treat them. Perpet is their love. language. >> Every religion, every war, every system. of power, all part of the prison design. Even rapid biological aging is a. containment tool. The domain conquered. the old empire thousands of years ago, but the Earth prison operates on its. own. Its systems [music] are still. active. But Errol said there is a way. out. You have to do the one thing the. entire prison is built to prevent. You.

have to [music] remember. [music]. Errol said the real history behind the. prison, the planet, everything was much. more complicated than we thought. We. were part of an intergalactic space. opera and didn't know it. Biological. life on Earth wasn't natural. None of. it. Every species on the planet was.

designed, manufactured, and shipped here. by galactic corporations billions of. years ago. One company and Arrol used. this name was called Bugs and Blossoms. They made insects and flowers. Another. company built the larger animals. And. these weren't science experiments or. research. They were products. Even. predator prey relationships were a. marketing scheme. If your company sold. gazels, you also sold lions. More. species sold, more profit. Sexual. reproduction was a cost cutting measure.

Instead of constantly replacing. organisms when they died, you just let. them replace themselves. And Earth's greatest minds weren't. homegrown either. They were reincarnated. ISBs. Their genius was bleedthrough from. their previous lives as some of the. finest officers in the domain. Leonardo. da Vinci sketched flying machines and. submarines 400 years before anyone could. build them. Mozart composed complete. symphonies [music]. as a child. Nicola Tesla built machines. the rest of the world wouldn't.

understand for decades. Errol said they. weren't inventing, they were. remembering. >> JUSTICE FOR SALARYI. >> WHAT? >> YEAH, MDAYAS. >> OH, RIGHT. F. Murray Abraham was great. in that. >> Yeah, but his name is unfortunate. It. just sounds like someone is mad at. Murray Abraham. >> Thousands of domain officers had been. captured and dumped on Earth over the. centuries. trained pilots, engineers, specialists. Errol called them the lost. battalion. Matilda felt a sudden wave of emotion.

Guilt, anger, resentment, emotions she. couldn't explain. Arrol sensed this and. placed a gentle thought in Matilda's. mind. >> The feelings you are having are. understandable. This is because you know. I am telling you the truth. You know. this because you lived it. According to Errol, one of the trapped. officers of the Lost Battalion was the. nurse sitting across the table.

[music]. 8,000 years ago, the old empire was. gone, but the prison system in our solar. system was still running autonomously. [music]. The domain deployed a specialized. battalion to shut it down. 3,000. officers and engineers built a base high. in the Himalayas. The mountains [music]. kept them out of sight. Their mission. was not to interfere with humans. Their. mission was to free them. [music] They. spent months mapping the solar system. They identified the processing stations,

scanning equipment, and old Empire. technology that was hidden for years. The officers finally had a plan to take. the system down. Then they were. detected. The automated defenses didn't see them. as citizens of the domain. They were. seen as escaped inmates. All 3,000 were. captured and processed. They were wiped, [music] reprogrammed, then loaded into. human bodies. The officers were sent. into the general population. The domain. called them the Lost Battalion, and they.

are still here walking among us with no. idea who they really are. Matilda was. one of the captured officers. [music]. Her ability to communicate. telepathically wasn't just random. talent. It was training that bled. through the amnesia. >> Training it bled through. Uh, so she's. like Jason Bourne. Uh, but instead of. karate, she got the vibes. >> Telepathy. >> Potato. Potato. >> Her instinct to approach the alien with. compassion, her sense of something. familiar, her knowledge that Arrol. wasn't a threat. These were echoes of. her former life. The domain searched for.

the lost battalion for thousands of. years, using equipment to detect. spiritual energy. But centuries of. reincarnation scattered that energy. across billions of lifetimes. Identification was almost impossible. Matilda was the breakthrough. [music]. Through her contact with Arrol, she. started recovering memories of her. original identity. She saw images of. spacecraft. She understood technology. she couldn't explain in English. She. recognized the techniques the prison. used to keep her asleep. For the first. time in 8,000 years, a captured domain.

officer knew who she really was. But. that created a problem because now the. military knew it, too. Over. [music]. 6 weeks, Matilda and Arrol rebuilt. something the prison had destroyed 8,000. years ago. A connection between two.

domain officers. But Arrol shared. knowledge that put them both at risk. The military recorded every word Matilda. said, but what they couldn't record was. the telepathy itself. The communication. that happened before Matilda spoke out. loud. The synenographer got what Matilda. chose to [music] share. The rest was. invisible. That arrangement worked as. long as the military trusted Matilda. Eventually, that trust ran out. On. August 12th, they separated Matilda from. Arrol. They wanted the alien on their. own terms. No nurse, no telepathy. But.

Errol wouldn't cooperate. So, the. military decided to use force. Matilda watched from behind the glass. partition. They brought in electroshock. equipment and attached probes to Arrol's. head. They started low. When she didn't. respond, they increased the current. Electroshock. The military thought they. were innovating. [music] It was the same. tool the old Empire used to wipe. memories. Arrol didn't resist, didn't. react. She looked at Matilda one last.

time through the glass and then she was. gone. One second awareness behind those. large eyes and the next nothing. Just a. lifeless gray doll on a table. The. military spent hours trying to bring her. back, but nothing worked. And Matilda. knew nothing would. She wasn't sad that. Arrol was gone. She was relieved. And. the military noticed. Whatever Arrol. shared with Matilda during those six. weeks, whether it was written down or. not, could never be revealed. She was. forced to sign documents swearing.

absolute [music] secrecy. If she ever. spoke a word, she'd be convicted of. treason and put to death. So, she. signed. >> 1947. The government covers up Roswell. They silence a telepathic nurse. Jackie. Robinson breaks the color barrier. Big. year for Black Ops. What? >> Eventually, Matilda returned to civilian. life. Over the years, she had brief. telepathic contact with Var. She was. able to piece together memories of her. old life as a domain officer. She. understood the technology and the.

techniques the prison used to keep us. trapped. She knew how to help, but time. was running out. She was 83. Her body. was failing. Soon she would die and lose. her knowledge of the domain and the old. empire. She would lose her ability to. break the cycle. By 2007, she was out of. time. The package she sent to Lawrence. Spencer was a desperate [music] and. final attempt. I'll be recycled through the amnesia. process and stuck back into another baby. body to start all over again without any.

memory of what went before. These. documents must be published. In 2008, Spencer released the. transcripts as alien interview. It. became one of the most famous alien. contact cases in UFO history. But. Matilda didn't live long enough to see. it. She died before the book was. released. The system that imprisoned her. for thousands of years had pulled her. back in, wiped, reprogrammed, and sent. back to Earth. So, there's someone out. there right now who has Matilda's.

memories and the knowledge of thousands. of lifetimes. She would be about 17 or. 18 years old. She might be working a. summer job, studying for finals, stressing about college. Most nights, she scrolls through her phone, watching. videos, texting [music] with friends. But on those rare quiet nights, I bet. she has a strange feeling that she's. part of something bigger, that she's. important, that she has a purpose that. she can't explain. She has no idea that. somewhere buried deep in her. consciousness, underneath the homework.

and the drama and the phone that never. stops, she has the knowledge to save. [music] the world. >> [music]. >> Alien Interview was a hit. People. couldn't put it down. Some said the book. didn't feel like reading. It felt like. remembering. People wanted to know more. about Matilda. What was her life like. after Roswell? Does she have children or.

grandchildren? And the question everyone. asked, who was Matilda now? In what. body? Where? And if they could find her, they could help her remember. If they. worked together, maybe we could finally. be free of the prison. The first thing they looked for was her. service record. It didn't exist. The. military had no record of Matilda. O'Donnell Mroy, but according to the. book, she changed her name and was put. into witness protection. She couldn't be. tracked by name. [music] But maybe there. were clues in the transcripts, and there.

were. But there were also small problems. The. transcript used words like computer and. database in 1947. Those terms weren't. common until the 1960s. The date stamps. used European formatting day first then. month instead of American military. style. An army nurse writing classified. reports wouldn't [music] format dates. this way. But Spencer said he edited. some of the material for clarity but. didn't change the content. So it's. possible his additions included some.

modern language. Then a reader caught. something in chapter 11. In an interview. dated July 9th, 1947, [music]. Arrol mentioned Jonas Sock as an example. of great human genius. Sock was alive in. 1947, but he wasn't that wellknown. He. was just a medical researcher. He didn't. become famous until 1955 when he. developed the polio vaccine. But maybe. Arrol had a different concept of time. She was pure consciousness who could. travel anywhere in the universe. Maybe.

she could move through time, too. Most. people were satisfied with these. explanations, but some weren't. The real. problems began when researchers cross. referenced Arrow's claims against other. books. All the evidence was pointing in. the same direction. Lawrence Spencer. made the whole thing up. But the truth. is, he didn't.

>> [music]. >> Readers were outraged. Was the book fact. or fiction? Did Arrol exist? Was Matilda. a real person? Well, Spencer said. Matilda was real. He even spoke to her. on the phone for 20 minutes. She died a. few months later. Now, that seemed too. convenient. Skeptics wanted to see the. documents Matilda [music] sent. But. Spencer destroyed them. The transcripts, the letters, all of it. >> I burned all the original documents. I. don't want to spend the rest of my life. beingounded by UFO researchers or.

government agents. >> He destroyed the evidence. Ah, that's. not what an innocent man does. That's. what a Clinton does. >> Whoa. What is our rule? >> We don't joke about the Clintons, >> right? >> Did he also smash his computer with a. hammer? >> That's enough. >> Sorry. Sorry. I couldn't help myself. Go. on. Go on. So, the witness was dead and. the only physical evidence was. destroyed. Spencer was now in full. defensive mode. He went on radio shows. and said the interview really happened. He corrected anyone who said he wrote.

the book. [music] He was only the. editor. He just published what Matilda. sent him. But to put any final doubts to. rest, Spencer wrote a sequel. The book. Domain Expeditionary Force Rescue. Mission came out in 2011. It was labeled. as science fiction. This time, Matilda. is rescued from the prison planet and. [music] back on active duty with the. domain. Same characters, same mythology, immortal spiritual beings trapped in. physical bodies, [music] given amnesia, and recycled into new lives. Now, these. were common sci-fi tropes. So were.

implants, mind control, memory wipes. These details caught the attention of. Bill Ryan, who went through Alien. Interview line by line. Ryan was a UFO. researcher and the founder of Project. Avalon. The more Ryan studied Alien. Interview, the more familiar it sounded. Doll bodies, implant stations between. lives, the galactic war between rival. civilizations, the prison planet, religions designed as alien control. tools, all described as a space opera. [music]. These concepts weren't unique. They were.

stolen. In some cases, word [music] for. word. And Bill Ryan knew exactly where. they came from. The Church of. Scientology. >> [music]. >> Spencer's book thanked Wikipedia in the. acknowledgements. He said the material. relied heavily on its page about. Roswell. [music] Thanking Wikipedia is. not a good sign. And in 2000, he sent an.

email to Graham Hancock where he. admitted he'd been a Scientologist for. 31 years. He said a good deal of his. earlier book applied the principles of. Elron Hover. Now he was talking about. the Oz factors but that tells the whole. story. Spencer spent most of his life as. a Scientologist. His first book applied. Hubard's principles through the lens of. the Wizard of Oz. His second book. applied the same principles through the. lens of Roswell. And remember his first. book, The Oz Factors, was the book. Matilda read. It was the reason she.

chose Spencer as the one person who. might take her seriously. The origin. story of the entire case traced back to. a book based on Scientology. >> And so the whole thing is a conspiracy. based on a religion based on a sci-fi. writer. This is like an Elron Hubbage. Turducken. Where's Shelly? >> But choosing Roswell for his next book. was a good idea. The UFO community spent. decades collecting real testimony from.

real people who are actually at Roswell. military officers, intelligence agents, morticians, nurses, people who came. forward at the end of their lives with. nothing to gain and plenty to lose. Those witnesses exist. [music]. Their stories overlap in ways that are. hard to dismiss. Spencer used that real. mystery as his foundation. He built. fiction on top of facts that makes it. feel real and grounded. And look, millions of people love this book. The. reviews are amazing. People describe. reading it in one sitting. More than a.

few said the story matched their. memories. One person called it the most. important book ever written. These. people felt something. The source. material was fake, but the emotion was. real. The prison planet idea does. something most explanations of life. don't do. It tells you your suffering. has a cause. Your limitations are. artificial. You're not a random. biological accident on an unremarkable. rock. You're an immortal being with. suppressed power, trapped by forces.

beyond your control. And someday, if. enough people wake up, the prison walls. come down. [music]. It's a beautiful idea, but it's made up. But maybe that's the real lesson. [music] Not that we got fooled, but that. we were so ready to be. Spencer. succeeded because people want a reason. for why life is so hard. A guy who lost. his wife to cancer reads this book and. thinks [music] maybe she's still out.

there somewhere trapped in the cycle. just waiting to remember. [music] A kid. who never fit in thinks maybe she's. something more than what the world tells. her she is. [music] That's not. gullibility. That's hope. And maybe. that's enough. We all know how this. ends. Nobody gets out alive. And knowing. that can feel like a curse. [music]. But it also means that every day you get. is important. So don't waste time. looking for a prison to blame or a cycle. to break. Focus on joy right now. If.

[snorts] you treat every day like it's. your last, knowing you're going to die. isn't a curse. It's a [music] gift. So. treat it like one. >> Thank you so much for hanging out with. me today. My name is AJ. That's. Eklefish. >> Nah, I'm saying hello telepathically. right now. Hello, nobody. >> This has been the Y Files. If you had.

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[music]. [music]. I play in Area 51. A secret code inside. [music]. the [singing] Bible said I would. I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as. well as music hanging [music] like I. should.

But then another conspiracy theory. [music] becomes the truth my friends. and it never ends. No it never ends. I feel [music] the crab cat. I got stuck. inside M's home with MK out of being. only twoear. [music].

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All [music] I ever wanted was to hear. the truth. The world was all through the. night. [music]. [music]. The math man sightings and the solar. storm [music] still come to the secret.

city underground. [music]. Mysterious number stations planet circle. to project star [music] gave where the. dark watchers found. in [music] a simulation. Don't you worry. though the black night satellite over. me. Oh, I can't believe I'm dancing with. the fish. on Thursday [music] nights when they.

change you and my family through the. night. All I ever wanted [music] was to hear. the truth. My all through the night. [music]. when they change you and my. life. All I ever wanted [music] was to be the. truth. The world beauty.

[music]. loves to dance. Girl loves to dance [music]. because she is a camel. You can't love. dance when [music] the feeling is right.

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