The Basement: Scott Wolter | The Kensington Runestone, Templar Treasure, and the Green Jar

Okay, I'm excited about this one. We're. going deep with Scott Wolter, forensic. geologist, TV host, and one of the most. controversial researchers in America. Scott made his name by solving murders. with rocks, using geological evidence to. date concrete and crack cold cases. But. then he applied those same scientific. methods to the Kensington Runestone, and. everything changed. His research led him. down a path that started with medieval. runes, moved through Knights Templar. treasures hidden in North America, and. ended up somewhere nobody expected, in a.

little green jar. Scott's newest book. just dropped, The Greatest Templar Tale. Never Told. And the story he tells me. today about the green jar, it's going to. challenge everything you think you know. about history, religion, and who we. really are. This conversation gets. heavy, and I mean really heavy. Some. people are going to be offended, but. that's not Scott's intention. I think we. should hear him out. Let's go down to. the basement.

Scott, welcome to the basement. Uh before we get to the fun stuff, can. you tell us how your TV, cuz we all know. you from TV, how your TV journey started. right here in Las Vegas with a murder. case? Yeah. Yeah. Um. You've done your homework, good for you. Well, um yeah, you know, and and you. know, I do material forensics for a. living. I've run a materials forensic. laboratory. Uh I've been doing the work. since 1985, but I started my own lab in.

1990. And [snorts] uh in 2004, I was uh and. and essentially what we do is. for the most part, autopsies on concrete. and rock, and we try to solve problems, you know, mostly in the concrete. industry. Why did it crack? Why did it. have low strength? You know, what. happens if it exposed to fire damage or. >> What happens if a plane hits it? If a. plane hits it, like at 9/11, that is. true. We did that as well. Um but uh one time I received a call.

from a guy by the name of Lieutenant uh. Tom Monahan and he called from the Las. Vegas Homicide Department and. he said um. I I said, "Why you calling me?" He said, "Well, we have a murder victim that was. found buried in a shallow grave in the. desert outside of Las Vegas, which I. found out is not not a rare thing.". Nope. [laughter]. But what was unusual about this case was. this person was totally encased in. concrete.

And of course, the first question I. asked is. how how is this person found? How did. How did that happen? And he said that um. um. a man was out jogging with his dog and. he stepped on what turned out to be the. thinnest part of the concrete, which was. uh between the you know, the pubic. region and the belly button of this. deceased female and it collapsed. And. the dog immediately went into the hole. and this guy starts reaching in the hole. and was pulling out bones.

>> Oh my god. And apparently. >> wasn't in a drum or something? It just. >> No, it was the ground. He he I mean, he. didn't know what it was, right? And it. collapsed under his the weight of his. foot and it and if he had stepped. anywhere else, it wouldn't have. collapsed. It was that spot. So maybe it was meant to be. Mhm. But. anyway, um so once he started pulling. out what he thought were human bones, he. called 911. Anyway, so I said, "Well, I. That's crazy." I said, "But what do you. want from me?" And he said, "Well,

we really don't have anywhere else to. go, but we had heard about your work on. the Runestone and relative age dating. Can you do the same thing with. concrete?" And I said, "Well, we've. never done anything like that before.". And the reason they wanted that uh to. try to establish the age of the concrete. was to establish a time of death and. then they could go back and look at the. missing case files. And the reason was they've got. a huge cam.

And to nail it down would have been. helpful. So, the timing was uh what they. were looking for. And I said, "Look, I've never done anything like this. before, but I have a couple of ideas. And so, if. you're willing to try, I'm willing to. try." And he said, "We have nowhere else. to go." So, he said um. And I said, "When do you want me to come. out?" He said, "As soon as possible.". So, I got flight the next day. And I flew out here and um. I remember Detective Rob Wilson picked. me up at the airport, and it was a. beautiful sunny day, like it always is. in Vegas, right?

And um he drove me to um the coroner's. lab, which was cold and, you know, kind of. dark. And I remember I walked when I. walked in the building the first time, there were five gurneys lined up with. dead bodies on them, naked, and. various trauma. And I remember walking. by, looking at them, and I thought to. myself, "We're not in Minnesota anymore. [laughter] I'm a rock guy. What am I. doing here?". >> What am I doing here? Anyway, so then they pulled out an um.

another one of these gurneys with a big, large, oversized yellow [snorts] body. bag. And they unzipped it, and there was the concrete. And um it. was in two. two pieces. There was um And what with. the perpetrator done is is dug a shallow. trench, kind of a long trench, almost. canoe-shaped. And um laid down a layer of concrete, and I was able to determine that was in. three lifts. This sounds like a nice. Italian job. Do it the right way.

>> Yeah, do it the right way. Yeah. Um. and finished the surface. No, it wasn't. finished. [laughter]. But anyway, they uh they they laid a. layer of concrete down, they put the. victim in, and then the next. um. load, if you will, of concrete was. placed over the front part of the body. and then the last part was uh um. No, the first part the second part was. over the legs. The last part was over. the. the head and body because that was. the lowest water content. It was real.

thick and rubbly. It didn't flow as much. and that's because he was probably. running out of water is what we we we. thought. Wow, did you give them some. leads on that? Yeah. Oh, yeah, we talked. about all this. I mean and the it was. strange because um. as I was doing my examination. um the coroner was right there and and. I'm asking him questions and you know, he's asking me questions and it was and. Monahan and Wilson are looking at us, you know, and and I kind of got into the.

zone a little bit, you know. and and it was weird because everything. is in reverse, you know, I mean like. like a breast is positive, but in the. mold it was negative. >> Everything's like a relief now. Yeah, so. it's it's it's the opposite. Everything's opposite. So it was a. little confusing, but eventually I got. you know, sort of accustomed to what I. was looking at and I could see where the. trauma had been and it was pretty tough, you know. So anyway, um. and then in a in like a paper grocery.

bag. were her bones. because they had. the bones, right? And they were all in a. bag. It was they didn't know who this. person was. It was it just seemed really. you know, weird. >> It's sad. It was sad. Yeah, it was. really sad. >> could ID her? Well So I said well, here's what I. propose. We'll take a sample here. We'll. take a sample there. and I'll go back to the lab. And so. there were two things that I was. thinking about. One is when you place.

concrete. it sets up and it gets hard, right? Mhm. And what it is is a heat generating. chemical reaction. It's a lot like. popcorn. And so the the cement grains. will react and form glues that make the. concrete get hard. And when it first. sets up and the heat starts, it's. poppity pop pop pop, you know, it's. setting up and it's getting hard fast. But, over time what happens is just like. microwave popcorn, it's poppity pop pop. pop pop pop pop. pop, right? Pop.

Over years. Over years. >> And decades. Yes. >> So, it continues to cure or whatever. that is? >> Well, yes, it does, but it's so slow. it's imperceptible unless you're looking. at it under a microscope. And under [snorts]. polarized light and you can see the. percentage of unhydrated particles. So, it's very important when I do an. analysis and I'm trying to determine. what the water cement ratio was of that.

concrete, I'm looking at the unhydrated. particles that are left. That's why. [snorts] I have to know when that. concrete was placed to put it in. context. Does that make sense? >> That's a clock. The other thing that happens is we have. a chemical reaction called carbonation, where carbon dioxide will react with. lime. and calcium hydroxide in the concrete to. form calcium carbonate. And what's kind. of ironic about that is when we make. Portland cement, you take limestone and.

silica and gypsum and some other stuff, but mostly limestone. And you fire it. >> [snorts]. >> and you drive off the carbon dioxide and. you end up with lime. And then you add. water to it and it gets hard. But, when it carbonates, it takes back. the carbon dioxide and forms limestone, calcium carbonate, okay? That reaction. is called carbonation and it's. progressive over time and it's dependent. upon. the water cement ratio or the density of.

the of the concrete, the amount of CO2 gas or methane that. it's exposed to. and time. So, the depth of carbonation was the. other clock that I was thinking I might. be able to use. Never done anything like. this before. So, went back, did the testing, and I. wrote a report, and I said, "I think uh. she's been there between 1 and 3 years.". And I remember I sent my report, I. emailed it to Tom,

and um. I thought, "Well, I'll I'll never hear. anything." And about 4 months later, I. got a call, and it was Tom. And he said, "Scott," he said, "are you. on your computer?" I said, "Yes." He. said, "Go to missingkids.com.". And within a minute, I was looking at. her face. Oh my god. I said, and I'm. getting emotional just thinking about it. again, because my daughter was. pretty close to her age. She was 17. And um. I said, "How'd you do it?".

He said, "Well,". he said, um. "Do you remember her when we showed you. the molds that we made of the different. parts of the body?". And I said, "Yes, I do." And he said, "You remember the mold of the face?" And. I said, "Yes, I do.". He said, "We had an artist do a. reconstruction of her face. We got one. call, a woman who lived in Vegas who. said, 'I think I know who your Jane Doe. is.' She gave her the name. They pulled the dental records. They had. the upper and lower jaw,

and it was a match.". >> Wow. Now, I I need to back up. Before he called me back, after he got my report, about. two, three weeks after that, he called. me and said, "Hey Scott, uh Detective. Rob Wilson and I are coming to. Minneapolis. We would like I'd like to. come see your lab." And I'd already. gotten to know him pretty well, and he. was from the East, and played in the. men's hockey league, and so did I at the.

time. And I said, "Hey man, you want to. go to a Wild game?" And he said, "Yeah, I do." So, we we I got tickets, he came. and toured the lab, and then we went to. Alary's Bar in St. Paul before the. hockey game. And we're having a couple. of beers, and he was one of those guys. that had just this intense look, and a. black mustache, and he just looked right. through you. And we're sitting there having a beer, and I I asked him why he was in town, and he said, "Well, we thought we'd come. and see your lab, but the real reason.

we're here is we were going to take. dental um impressions. of uh a guy who's dying of cancer, who. we believe um committed a murder." And I. said, "Dental impressions? Are you talking. about bite marks on a victim?" And he. said, "Yes." So, he went in there to. this guy who was dying of cancer, and he. said, "You're going to give us these. dental impressions, or we're going to. put you in jail, and you're going to die. in a cold cell. If you give us the. impressions, we'll let you die at home.".

And they got him. And that's a whole 'nother story. That's. a great story. But anyway, so we talked. about that when we're sitting in the. bar. And then he looks at me with that look, and he goes, "So, what do you really think?". And I knew what he was asking me. I had written. 1 to 3 years in my report. And I looked at him, and I said, "Well, Rob or uh Tom, I said, I think she's been there between 1 and.

1/2 and 2 years, but I put 1 to 3 years. because I thought that's what I could. testify to and back up. >> Right. But I'm telling you.". And he said looked at me, he goes, "Me, too.". Finished our beers, went to the game, the Wild won, he took off, and that's. when I thought I would never hear from. again. Then I got the call. And then he said, um. we got the one call, and um we pulled. the dental records, and it was a match. And he said, "I thought you'd want to. know she was reported missing a year and.

10 months from when we found her.". >> Wow, nailed it. And I I remember. [laughter] to think to myself, "Well, I'll be damned. This actually. works.". So, that was So, so, okay, that's a long. story, but I haven't told that one for a. long time and it was kind of fun. That's a good story. And but how do you. end up on TV from. America Unearthed? >> I'll get to that, but I I I just want to. say one more thing about that. I'm. waiting for one more call. The perpetrator? >> Cuz the last thing he said to me was,

"If we go to trial someday, will you. testify? Like, you're not afraid about. some guy coming I said, "Fuck him.". I said, "Hell, yes.". So, I'm waiting for one more call. Okay. I hope you get that call. Hasn't. happened yet. It's been a long time, so. And I know some more things that I can't. talk about about the case, so. Well, don't do that. >> [gasps]. [laughter]. >> Don't do that. That's a That's. a big uh. McJagger. Oh, don't do that. Okay, so.

you [laughter] So, you solve a murder. and and you end up on the number one. show on the network. >> so, what happened was. um. uh a woman by the name of Maria Az, who. um her husband is Andy Az. They were in. the process at the time of founding a. production company called Committee. Films that ended up doing America. Unearthed. She was working for a local. television station, WCCO-TV, as an. investigative reporter. She caught wind. of the case and of the work that we did.

and she wanted to interview me. So, she. comes into my. into the lab, into my office, she sits. down. I had just gotten back from my. third or fourth trip to Sweden. investigating, you know, the the runes. and everything on the Kensington. Runestone and I had been given a poster. for. um a conference that we had attended and. we had a debate at this conference and I. had it hanging I had just put it up on. my wall. The stone? Like the image of. the. >> Well, it's Olaf Ohman that that iconic.

picture of him standing there with the. stone, right? And it was that's the. poster and it was in Swedish, right? And. so she comes walking in, she goes, "Oh, have you done some work on the. Kensington Runestone?" I said, >> [laughter]. >> "Sit down, girl." And I told her that. story and I told her about um you know, the murder case and that weekend WCCO. aired both stories. >> [snorts]. >> The murder case on Friday and then. Saturday they they used to do this thing. called a dimension story, which was like. a 5-minute long, you know, extended.

piece. and uh they did the Runestone on. Saturday. Well, she went home and told her husband. and Andy's like, "Oh my god, this is a. great story. Maybe we could do. something." So, he calls me and I said, "Dude, I'm giving a lecture at the. Chanhassen Library. uh this Saturday." I said, "Come on and. hear the story. I'm talking about the. Runestone." And and so he came to the. library. I gave the lecture. He says, "Can I buy you lunch?" I said, "Sure, let's go eat." And we went over there.

He goes, "This would make a great. documentary." I said, "Fuck, [snorts]. let's go.". >> [laughter]. >> And so he uh he said, "Well, we got to. raise $150,000.". I'm like, "Oh, no.". >> [laughter]. >> How are we going to do that? So, I. begged and borrowed from friends and. and uh and I told them I said, "Hey, we're we want to do this film." A lot of. people knew about the Runestone and the. work we were doing and you know, where. we were going with it and and they. wanted to support it. And I said, "Look, don't don't put your rent money here. I.

said, "We'll probably lose it all. But. if, you know, I really. feel strongly about this and and if you. want to contribute and we raised the. money.". But you know who wrote the biggest. check? Janet and I. Okay. >> I wasn't going to let anybody put in. more money than us. And um So, you were producers on your. show? Yeah. Yeah. And how did you end up. selling it to History? Well, here's what. happened. So, Andy and I he says, "Well, okay, well, where do we go?" Well, we. got to go to Sweden, we got to go to. Scotland, we got to go to France, we got.

to go to all these places because it's. going down the Templar road, right? And. this is early on in the Templar road. And um. So, we the four of us went. It was Andy, um. Ben Krueger, uh who was our A-cam? I can't I'm. drawing a blank now, but anyway, the. four of us went there and Andy and me. And when I wasn't in front of the. camera, I was hauling you know, holding the boom when we were. interviewing. That's where I met Alan. Butler. Oh, okay. >> Yeah, at Rievaulx Abbey, one of the most.

gorgeous Abbeys in all of England. It's. just amazing. And he could not have been. a nicer guy. I was like intimidated to. meet him because I had read all of his. books, The Goddess the Grail and The. Lodge, Virgin and the Pinnacle, and I. mean, all he had and the way he writes, you start reading and all of a sudden. it's done. It's like, "Shit, I I want. more, you know?" And I was so when I met. him, I was I was a little intimidated. And he was just. We're pals like that. He's just so.

wonderful. And as you know, he and Janet we we. became really good friends and stayed in. touch, of course. And then he and Janet. wrote their book together and. um we're planning to go see him this. summer. So, and he's been struggling a. little with his health. He He'll admit. it. He was a chain smoker, you know, back in the day. He He was one of those. guys smoking cigarettes all the. time. That's what he says. [laughter]. I was this, that. But uh he's wonderful. So, anyway, um we. filmed um and that became.

um Holy Grail in America. And what they. did was Andy and Maria went to. RealScreen, which happens, I think, in. January is the big gathering. And that's. where all the production companies pitch. their shows, then networks buy their. shows. And so, what they what they will. do is they'll have screenings of certain. shows uh that are and they had a. screening of ours. And I remember there was a 5-minute. pitch reel. that we they rented um.

a studio with a marquee, you know, and. everybody that was involved it was. really fun party and you know, it was. Jan and I are like, "Oh, this is crazy, you know.". And uh to see Holy in the on a marquee. was really cool. >> Yeah, of course. It was great. And so, anyway, they aired the trailer at um. RealScreen, and six networks wanted it. Wow. >> And History paid the most. Okay. That's. how we got it. So, then we did So, that. aired and it did really well. Um really.

well. And then. >> Why do you think that is? That was a hit. show. Well, I think there was um And why did. it resonate with people? It resonated. with me and my family. Really? Yeah. Well, I I I. I you know you know, the thing about it. was um. and I don't want to toot my own horn, but I. we did some really good research. And like I said, you know, I just said. it when we did the short.

I trust rocks. I don't trust some. people. I I I really don't. And rocks. don't care. They don't give a They. just are. And the rock told me it was. old. The stone, you mean the runestone? >> I'm talking about the runestone. And I knew it was real. And therefore, if it's real. and that date is correct, which I know. it's correct cuz it's double dated using. a code. um. somebody carved it. Can you give us a. quick three second. >> No, three sentence of what the stone is. >> Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay. God, I figured the whole world. knows. >> You think people [laughter] know? I assume all the time. Well, the. Kensington Runestone um is an artifact. that was found by a Swedish immigrant. farmer by the name of Olaf Ohman who was. clearing trees in preparation for. farming on his 100-acre parcel property. about 2 hours. northwest of Minneapolis, Minnesota near. Alexandria, Minnesota in a town. just outside of a town called. Kensington. And [snorts] this was in the. fall of 1898. He was clearing trees in.

preparation for farming and he tipped. over this 25. aspen tree with his two oldest sons that. were present at the time. And. this rock was pulled out of the ground. in the roots of the tree. And it was the. younger son Edward who first noticed. that there was something carved on it. And eventually the inscription was. realized to be an carved in Old Swedish. But we now know looking back that this. is an amazingly complex inscription that.

was carved by a deeply initiated. Cistercian monk. I think we might even. know who his name is. But in any case, it's filled with symbolism, allegory, and code. And I. think I figured out what the codes are. because when I became initiated as a. Templar going through the Cryptic. Council's degrees, I suddenly realized and that's a great. story too that.

the story that is encoded within it is. part of the Book of Enoch. It's part of the Enochian mystery. >> never heard that on the Kensington. Runestone. >> never heard that because it's being. suppressed. Right. I mean, you know, Janet and I had a. conversation this morning. I'm just. going to tail off for a second. And all. this craziness that's happening with. these cults and you know, the. trafficking and the whole world is. coming down, right?

They've been suppressing this, too. Yeah, Book of Enoch, um, not considered. part of the Bible, but. as it's been discovered that it probably. was. Book of Enoch probably was part of the. part of the Bible at some point. >> It was it. it definitely was. And. it's in this stuff. Before we get to that, how did you How. did you come to study the stone? >> Runestone. So, the Runestone. So, um, so.

for 100 whatever years until July of. 2000, it was considered a hoax because. the scholars that looked at the. inscription were simply unable to figure. out what it was because of what we just. talked about. It's way more complex. And. um And their arguments are the language. is anachronistic and that sort of thing. >> that's all. >> Okay. The language, the runes, that when I. went to Sweden five times, that's what I. found. I found everything.

But anyway, um, so the Runestone's been. considered a hoax in July of 2000. I was approached by representative that. for the Runestone Museum who said we. would like uh, to ask you to perform. And they had met with my professors. They went to the University of Minnesota. Duluth where I went went to college on a. football scholarship. And I met a. wonderful professor who inspired me to. go into geology. I was very fortunate to. meet Charlie Match. Anyway, um, they. went up and saw my professors and they.

said, "Go see Scott Wolter." That's how. I got the job. Anyway, so they came in. and this guy starts talking to me about. the Kensington Runestone and I said, "What's that?". I never heard of it. >> Right. And after, you know, later on I. talked to other people and everybody. around me knew what it was and I'm like, I must have missed school that day or. something. I didn't know what they were. talking about. So, anyway, I remember. that guy and the guy clearly was an. advocate for authenticity and I gave him. the speech and I said, "Look, I'll be happy to do this work for you, but you need to understand when I get. done, I may give you news you're not.

going to like. And you're still going to pay me. >> Right. Okay? >> [laughter]. >> That's the beautiful thing about my job. I get paid either way. It doesn't matter. what the results are, right? So that's. But those are the ground rules. And he. said, "Okay." So off we went. So he. didn't hire you to study language. He. hired you to study the stone. >> How do you How do you date it? How What. do you want me to do? Great question. Um and and look, I just made it up. I. completely made up what I thought was a.

um. a way that I could do that. Um. And I said when I did the short, somebody asked to really good question. that led to exactly what you just asked. me. And so first and foremost, it starts. with the geology. For example, if you. have a piece of quartz or quartzite, I. can't do anything with that because it. doesn't weather, right? >> Right. Second thing, I need to know the. context. Where has this artifact been? For example, in the case of the. runestone, it's been buried in the. ground since it was put in the ground.

presumably in 1362 as a land claim. And. it was recovered in 1898. So we're. talking about 600 or so years of. weathering, right? >> Is that stone indigenous to the area or. did they bring that stone in? >> Another great question. Yes, we have. sourced that rock. >> Okay. >> It's part of the Thomson formation. If. you go up just south of Duluth, um there. is a formation called the Thomson for I. mapped those rocks when I was in. college. So I knew the rock right away. once I got a thin section.

And um so the first thing you have to do. is identify the rock type. And um as we said, you know, quartzite. you can't do anything. Um but this rock type is something. called a and there will be a quiz, so. pay attention. >> Okay, go for it. Paleoproterozoic. metagraywacke, okay? >> I can't do it. >> [laughter]. >> Can't do it. Thomson formation, okay? I knew right. away. And it has about, well, the. runestone has 17 different minerals in. it. And [snorts]. uh in fact, what was really fun is I was.

able to pull one of my professors out of. retirement, Dr. Richard Ojakangas, to um. come help me and do his own I said, "Hey. Dick, will you do a point count? I'll do. mine. We'll compare notes, right?" And. he's one of the premier sedimentologists. in the world, I would argue, uh the best. sedimentologist. And he just died. earlier Oh, no, late last year, couple. months ago. I just got that. It was very. sad. He was wonderful. 93. Anyway, so. Dick did it. And later on, you know what.

he said to me? What? He said, "You know, Scott, when when I agreed to work with. you on the runestone, people warned me. that I shouldn't help you.". And I said, "Why?". And he said, "Because they said it'll. ruin your reputation working on that. fake.". The runestone. Wow. And he said, "Nah, I'll help Scott anyway.". But what do you At that point, what do. you care whether it's fake or not? You. just want to know what the rock tells. you. You tell me. I mean, uh look, >> [laughter]. >> it'll ruin your reputation? What are you.

talking about? I mean, we're asked to do a job, and we're doing. hard, you know, geological work. So, I I mean, but this is what you get, right? This is This is the nature of. this business. Remember, I didn't know. anything. So, anyway, I did my work, and. what I did was I ended up comparing the. weathering of tombstones. with the weathering of the inscription. Took a core sample out of the back that. and we made thin sections, put them. under scanning electron microscope and a. polarized light microscope, identified.

the mineralogy. We did point counts. How. many What percentage of that mineral do. we have? And there were 17 different. minerals. So, anyway, and I remember I. compared my my work with with Dick, and. we got pretty much the same thing. So, I. thanked him cuz he taught me how to do. it. >> [laughter]. >> But anyway, um. so I. one of the faster weathering minerals, which was mica, biotite in this case, cuz it has an iron phase, so it weathers. the fastest. And um I used slate tombstones from out.

in Maine that were old enough dating. back to the Revolutionary War. So, that I And they got the dates right. there, right? Right. So, what I did was. I just measured how long it took before. the minerals started to come off the. surface of the tombstones. That happened. at about 200 years. On the runestone, they're gone. They're all gone. >> So, my conclusion is the weathering is. older than 200 years. And that's from 1898 because it hasn't.

been in a weathering environment since. It's been indoors in the shed or in a. museum. So, you push it back 200 years from. 1890, there was nobody in Minnesota then. except the indigenous people and maybe. a, you know, um. a monk that was traveling like Hennepin. or somebody. >> Right. So, um I said it's genuine. And I wrote my report and I sent it off. and I said, "Well, that was fun. Good. for them, they got one." And I was done. Oh, no.

No, no. Then the pushback came. Oh my. god, it was nasty and personal. And, you. know, I mean, I had academics that I had. met, well, I would eventually meet. Now. you understand why why you were warned. Well, yeah. Yeah, that this that, you. know, this is and and look. And and so, most of the people And And I. don't want to disparage. these disciplines, but I do want to make a point. It's very. important.

Um. I I'll use the word soft science. I'm talking about. >> going to like this. history, okay, language, archaeology. >> runes, runology. These are. humanities disciplines. >> Right. Wonderful disciplines. I'm not. saying there's anything wrong with them. But they're up for interpretation. They're up for interpretation.

>> Right. These people were attacking me telling. me I did not understand scientific. method. Excuse me? I run a freaking Right. >> laboratory. I do forensic investigations all day. every day for 41 years now. >> Right. You're not a TV guy. No, I'm not. You're a scientist doing this. >> know why I even did the goddamn TV? Why? Because this is important. Really? Yes. Okay.

I make a good living running my lab. Okay. Okay? And I love it. And I, you know, I get to work on murder. cases. I worked on the Pentagon. That's. what people are going to talk about at. my funeral. It's not the runestone and. all this stuff. They're going to talk. about that. And I've I've done some, you know, pretty cool things. But when this came and I got this. pushback and people attacking me. personally, I got pissed.

And. I told you I went to college on a. football scholarship. I was a. linebacker. And I won a couple. championships. I don't around. Right. You're not. doing that anymore. >> We'll go. I couldn't frame them up and put them on. the ground. I had [laughter] to do it. differently. No, they're behind their. keyboards. >> Exactly. Yeah, tough guys, you know. But, you know, obviously I know who you. mean. I'm joking, but I'm not joking. I. know who you mean. And anyway, >> fan mail to mine. Yep. Yep. We know who. we're talking about. But anyway, it.

wasn't I mean, it was academics. And so. they were attacking my process. So. anyway, long story short, I just said, "I'm sick of this shit.". Um. I trust the rock. Rock said so. Therefore, somebody carved it. It came. from some place. They came here for some. reason. >> [snorts]. >> There has to be an explanation for that, right? Yep. Has to be. And all the stuff they said didn't exist. has to exist. So the only place the.

language is Old Swedish, right? Eight Goths, Gotlanders. I went to. Gotland, the island of Gotland, which is. the middle of the Baltic Sea, which is. part of Sweden back then and part of. Sweden today. It's where everybody in. the countries that surround that region. go for their summer vacations. It's. beautiful. And the where I found the evidence, the. language, the runes, the dialect, the. grammar, the dating. was on grave slabs that had been. mortared into the floors inside 92. churches. on that island.

And while I was there, I kept seeing. these crazy crosses, equilateral red. crosses carved on the walls, mortared. into the floors, carved on these grave. slabs. And I'm like, "What the hell is. that?" So it's important anything. at that time. Well, these things were all Cistercian. And And for those who don't know the. Cistercians are the white monks the. white monks founded in 1095 by Robert. Molesme, taken to meteoric success once.

Saint Bernard de Clairvaux joined the. order in 1113. By the time he died in. 1153, there were 300 Cistercian Abbeys. all across Europe, in the Scandinavia, the British Isles, and to the Holy Land. And by the time the Templars were put. down a little over 200 years later in. 1307, there were 750 Abbeys. and about 12,000 Templar Knights, who. are also Cistercian. >> Right. So and it was Bernard de.

Clairvaux who wrote the charter for the. Knights Templar that was officially uh. um. signed by the Pope at the Council of. Troyes on January 13th. That number's. not a coincidence, 1129. at the Council of Troyes in Troyes, France. So, um I learned all that. And. when I want to learn something. I'll do it. >> your teeth in. I just put my pads on and. I go. So, what was that mark? That mark was a Templar cross.

>> It was the Templar cross that you found. >> And I found everything. And so, um then. I started going down the Templar road or. the Cistercian Templar road and then oh, they disappeared in 1307. This is 1362. This is just a few decades. later. Well, I'm not the brightest guy. in the world, but I can figure that one. out. >> Maybe there's a connection. You weren't. interested in like Templar lore before. No. >> know what a Templar was. >> Okay. I had no idea. Look, I spent my adult life.

starting my lab, raising kids, playing. touch football, skating, playing. basketball, softball. I was a jock. Right. And drinking beer. Okay? And. You're not studying Dan Brown novels. looking for connect No. >> No. >> [laughter]. >> No. I I In in fact, and collecting. agates. I'm a big Lake Superior agate. collector and that's where I wrote. wrote my first book. >> to ask you like what's so fascinating. about agates? What What is that? We'll. get back to the We'll get back to that, but I'll tell you a funny story. Right. before we came here, we went into a shop.

um at the hotel uh where we're staying. And they had some rocks, you know, amethyst cathedrals and all this stuff. Of course, I had to go in there. And it. turns out this woman. uh was originally from Israel. And she's. an older woman, very you know, elegant. and um. nobody was in there, just the two of us, Janet and I. And we start talking about. rocks. And then we start talking about. agates. And I pulled out my phone and I. showed her she she go, "Oh my god.

That's the most beautiful You find those. in Minnesota?" I said, "Yeah, we go in. gravel pits, we go in rivers and lakes.". I said, "It's our state gemstone." And. she was just And then we got into the. golden ratio and all this and she ended. up hugging both of us when we left. It. was amazing. So, yeah. So, and I wrote and and just. uh just to segue off for a second, I. want to tell you a quick personal story. My dad was a pilot for Northwest. Airlines. And when I graduated from college. in geology, [clears throat]. um I was no longer a dependent. I used.

to get passes and I could fly all over. the place and I did. I took full adva- I. went down, you know, spring break every. year, you know, I would go ahead down. and need a ticket. But um I remember dad said to me, he. said uh he said, "You know, you're. graduating." He said, "Um your passes. are running out." He said, "You got one. more trip. Make it a good one.". So, I was also scuba diver and I said, "Dad, I want to go dive on the Great. Barrier Reef.". And I want to go with you. I could have gone with my brother. I.

could have gone with my best friend, his. dad was a pilot. I want to go with my My. dad was cool. He was He was. >> cool. He was awesome. >> Did he take that trip with you? He did. >> Okay. And he drowned. On that trip? I saw I didn't know that. I didn't know. the story. Well, it was the worst thing that ever hap-. will happen to [laughter] me. Of course. Um I was with him and it's I'm not going. to tell you the story right now cuz it's. I can tell the story. I don't cry. anymore. Well, I s- I still do. It was it was it was bad.

And I found out later that it wasn't an. accident. >> What? You ever seen the movie American Made? Of course. Yeah. Barry Seal. Are you saying your dad was involved. with the agency? Yep. After we got. >> talk about this very often, I don't. think. >> I don't. Okay. Dad was So, he So so so he was. taken out. He was flying jets down to. Central America. And he knew too much.

>> [laughter]. >> So um. after we came back, about 3 weeks after. we got back, I got a call from the chief pilot at. Northwest, Don Nyrop. And uh his son played for the North. Stars. He was a hockey player. And um he said, "Scott, I'd like to talk. to you.". I said, "Okay.". So I go in and he said, "Um. if you tell anybody what I told you, I'll deny it." I said, "I get it.". And he said, "Your dad was in the CIA.".

I said, "Oh, okay.". >> [clears throat]. >> And um he told me what he was doing. And he didn't say. that he was taken out, but I figured out. on my own. And there's other details I. could tell you maybe. when we're alone we can talk. Okay. >> Okay. But anyway, I was wrecked. And it. blew our family apart. I have a brother. and a sister and my mom. My brother and. [clears throat] my mom died.

be 2 years ago. Same year, within a couple months of. each other. Once my mom died, I knew my. brother wasn't far behind. That's. another story. But anyway, >> Did they know your dad was working for a. CIA? My mom denied She finally came. around late in life and she finally. a month and a half before she died, I took her out to dinner and uh. went back to her. apartment and uh we're sitting in the. car and I was just about to open the.

door and help her out, you know. She turned, she looked at me, she said, "I forgive you.". What's there to forgive? Oh. For what happened, you know, to dad. She never married again. She blamed me. for it. I'm sorry to hear that. >> Yeah, it was tough. But I'm telling you. this for a reason. Okay. So. um.

So I was in a really. tough place. And I I had just gotten a job. from Charlie, my professor, got me a job. with Mapco Minerals as a field. geologist, and I loved it. And I was on a um. a 2-month. gig in northern Minnesota, going in the. woods and mapping and taking samples, sediment for testing. >> [clears throat]. >> And then. I It turned out that was a test to see. if I could handle it. And I obviously I.

did, and I got the full-time job. I got. They said, "Your next project is. starting in January in Nevada." So I was. all set to go do that. And then I took. the trip and Dad died, and I I had to. stay home. So that was a huge correction, but I got. hired by Twin City Testing. I learned. petrography, and then I went. and here I am now. But um. that that was uh a really defining. moment, and what happened during that.

time right after Dad died is I I was. struggling with a lot of grief. And so. when I got upset, I just jump on my. motorcycle, and I would drive to the. gravel pits, and I would just walk. Yeah. Pick agates. And I met the other collectors, and I. got to know the industry really fast, and and I met a a. World War II hero, George Flame, and uh. we ended up um becoming close friends, and he became another mentor to me. And. he eventually And he was the king of.

agate. Well, he flagged me early on. He. said, "That kid's you know. And I remember one day I was up there, and we're talking about agates and. formations, and he And I said, "Well, George, what do you you about this?" And. he goes, "Puh! kid, you got the. geological knowledge, you got the agate. picking experience, write the book.". And I went, "George, I'll do it." And he. lived in Duluth, which is 2 and 1/2. hours from where I lived in the cities, right? >> Yeah. So, on the way home, I wrote the. outline on the steering wheel. >> This is your first book?

>> first book on Lake Superior agates. And. uh it. >> [laughter]. >> it did really well and I'll tell you why. it did well. It wasn't the formation, it wasn't the. types, it wasn't, you know, all the. microscopic features and all the stuff. that you have to talk about. I peppered in between each chapter. stories about George and Chauncey. Wheeler and praying to the Lord of the. pits, all these crazy stories, the stuff. that I thought was so cool. And.

and I got hundreds of letters. And nobody asked me about formation, nobody asked me about the different. types. >> No. Tell me about Chauncey Wheeler who. every time he got found an agate would. stop, sit down, pray to the Lord of the pits, and, you. know, that kind of stuff. >> full circle to America Unearthed cuz. that's why you stood out is you you told. the story in the episode. And Yeah. we weren't really We didn't really care. about the I didn't really care about the. stone. I It's cool to have evidence that. it's real, but you want to know the.

story. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's what I do. and and and so I've written a couple. more books on agates since then and I. wrote one called When I Turned [snorts]. 40 I called it like the half time of my. life, right? I use football metaphors, of course. And uh it's called one uh the Lake. Superior Agate, One Man's Journey. And it was and I talk about Dad and the. whole journey, but when I published that. book in 1986, which was 3 years after. Dad died, I was back. You were back. >> I was back emotionally and I was myself.

again. And uh. I thank George for that and I thank my. professors for that and I thank Janet. for that, and my. my kids um. they came after that, but um. yeah, that's that's that's what got me. into writing. Well, let's take a quick. break, and when we come back, we can get. into the stone and Templars and the. journey. Okay. All right, be right back. What does it say on the Kensington. Runestone? >> [laughter]. >> We've talked all about it, we haven't. said what it says.

>> Well, what's interesting is it starts. with a number. Uh something called a pentatic number. And you know what, AJ? I could teach you. pentatic numbers in 10 seconds. Okay. You ready? >> Yeah. Make a vertical line. Vertical. line. 1 2 3 4. half loop is five, 6 7 8 9 full loop is. 10. Put them in Arabic placement, you. can make any number you want. So, the number eight is the first thing. on the Runestone. Half loop is five, 6 7.

8. >> Eight Gotalanders and 22 Northmen, Norwegians. on this acquisition business slash. taking up land from Vinland far to the. west. We had a camp near two shelters one. day's journey north from this stone. >> [clears throat and cough]. >> We were fishing one day. After we came. home, found 10 men red from blood and.

death. And then three Latin letters, A B M. Then the last line says, "Save from. evils." On the split side of the stone, and it's split, we call it the split. side because the carver intentionally. broke it down to exactly a two-to-one. ratio. Interesting. Which is the key to sacred. geometry. >> Okay. And the other thing that's really. interesting is that the diagonal. distance across that stone is exactly.

2.722. ft or one megalithic yard. Wow. Coincidence? Probably not. >> Probably not. I've covered the. megalithic yard. It's amazing. It's. everywhere. Oh, it is everywhere. Um. and then on the split side it says, "There are 10 men by the inland sea to. look after our ships, 14 days journey. from this island year 1362.". Carved in pentatic numbers in Arabic.

placement, 1 3 6 2. Now, I'm just going to jump into this real. quick because we talked a little bit. about how uh. you know, the legend of Enoch, the. Enochian mysteries is embedded within. the inscription. So is Hebrew mysticism. >> [clears throat]. >> Um there's uh very key things about the. numbers. There are codes embedded within. the inscription. One of the codes um.

>> [clears throat]. >> And and here's here's something very. interesting. After I did the geological. work with the tombstones and I realized. that it was real, I said, "Somebody's. got to document everything on this. stone." So I took it upon myself and I. generated a photo library of every. man-made feature in the inscription, every ruin, every word separator, every. number. And I used high angle and low angle. reflected light to pull out the. three-dimensionality of what was there. And I just started at the beginning and.

I went through the whole inscription. I. took over 650 photos under. magnification. And as I did that, I started to find. things. Things that I didn't know what the hell. they were. Things that nobody else had ever noticed. because nobody ever looked, right? And right from the get-go, the very. first thing in the number eight, the. three lines under the half loop, at the end of the second. there was a dot that was punched at the.

end. Clearly man-made. And if it was. man-made, they did it for a reason. I. didn't know why. So, as I was finding. these things, I would stick them in a. folder just I just labeled it odd runes. And it was those things that we. turned out to be the beginning of. solving the mysteries, the codes. Anyway, >> [clears throat]. >> so. that number. And then on line four, in the word. shelters,

all the runologists always put a. question mark after it cuz they don't. know if that's the right word. That's. not the word. I think the word is. Sinclair. Wow. >> S K L A R. Now, one of the old corrupted spellings. that I found in documents going back to. this time is the word Sklar. S K L A R. Sinclair. It's one of the. about 14 ways you can spell that name.

And Templar fans know the Sinclair name. for sure. Oh, absolutely. But, the L has a little cross on it. and doesn't belong there. And they tried. to make it a bind rune, but there's no word that works. A bind. rune is where you take. one vertical stave and you make two. runes off a common stave. It's called a. bind rune or bind rune. There's no other bind runes in the. runestone. So, that's probably not a bind rune. And it doesn't work as a bind rune.

So, what is it? Let's pull that out. And I put that in. the odd runes. The last thing on the. face side is the word. uh save from evils. Illu. And you have the strange rune that looks. like a Y with a little cross on the. bottom that doesn't belong there and two. dots. I put that in there. Now, remember I told you about the. dating? Yeah.

One of the things that I found when I. went to Sweden is some of the grave. slabs were double-dated. Double-dated? >> Using the medieval Easter table dating. method. And to do that, you need three things. You need. >> [cough]. [clears throat]. >> So, the the runic alphabet is called the. futhark. And to make a date, you need one of the. first seven letters, which is called a. Sunday letter.

And then the rest of the alphabet, there. were 19 runes in the alphabet that time, there'd be 12 more left. You need a. Sunday letter, a golden year, which is. any one of the rest of those 12 runes, and a column number. And then you plot them on the Easter. table and it gives you a date. So, what we did was we pulled out the. one number that singled out, the eight, the L, which they didn't know what to do with, >> Right. and the U. And you plot them on the Easter table.

and guess what you get? >> What? You get a date. Guess what that date is? 1362? Bingo. Wow. Coincidence? >> No, it's probably not. >> Probably not. I'll tell you what I think. it is. I think the reason is it's a land. claim. It says it right on it. Acquisition business taking up land. Who was looking to establish a new. sanctuary? The Templars were. You following now?

>> Do we know who those men were and what. happened to them and what red with blood. moon? >> We do? We do. It's an allegory. Oh. Now, so. 1362, keep in mind, why would they need to. double-date it? Because. let's say you're a smart aleck and you. want to add one more line to the three. in 1362. What have you just done? You changed the. date. You've added 100 years. >> That's right. Uh-uh. Can't do it.

Because we protected the date with a. simple code using the Easter table. dating method from the 14th century. Ole. Worm's Easter table was developed in. 1314. Keep in mind. AJ, when I do forensics, when anybody. does forensics and you're trying to. solve a problem, all the data has to fit. It must fit. >> Yep. If you got a piece of data hanging. out there, you're not there yet. Right?

>> Right. Right. So, this is what I do when I'm. investigating the runestone, whether I'm. talking about the rock, the runes, the. Templars, doesn't matter. It all has to fit. And it fits beautifully. And let me tell. you something. I've told you this and I'll tell you. again. I do forensic investigations for. a living and I'm pretty good at it. This was the easiest evidence trail I've. ever followed. Now, I had no idea where.

it was going to go. But the evidence was consistent, cohesive, and conclusive. Keep in mind, I'm a licensed. professional geologist. I take my work. very seriously. I have a lot of fun. It Life isn't worth living unless you. have fun, right? >> Right. But when it comes time to dial in and. stop around, I dial in. Every single [snorts] job that I do, I. have to be prepared to testify in a.

court of law under oath to my findings. I think that's a higher bar than the. academic peer review process. I agree. basically they sit around and talk about. it until what? They agree. Until they. agree. >> [laughter]. >> Until they agree, right? Well, that process has. some merit, and I think a lot of good. has come from it, but a lot of work. has come from it, too, including on the. Kensington Runestone. Yeah, they don't.

like to be wrong. And they don't want to trample on the um. you know, their their predecessors, you. know? So, um. I've seen a lot of that. And. >> [laughter]. >> here's the irony of that. They accuse me. of not understanding scientific method. Let's say you wrote a thesis and got. very famous on coffee's good for you. Right. Right? And then I come along and you're in your.

retirement. and I do some work. and I find out that guess what? Coffee's. not good for you. I don't like you very. much. You don't like me very much. But if you are a true scientist. you know what you're going to say? You. know what, Scott? You developed a whole. new set of data that I was not privy to. I had no idea. Nice job. And you accept those results. >> Yeah. And just because I.

proved you wrong doesn't mean you were. stupid. The fact that you accept the new. data means you're smart. I agree. That's. scientific method. That's not what's happened here. And so we've seen a failure of academia. But there are larger forces at work. here. Larger than academia? Uh yes. Suppressing the truth? Yes. Like. the government, the religious. establishment. All of the above. >> Okay.

Because. once you accept the Kensington Runestone. it triggers a series of dominoes to. fall. And those dominoes go to some. inconvenient places for these. institutions that you just rattled off. One of those places is called the. Talpiot Tomb. Talpiot Tomb in Jerusalem, discovered. 1980. That's the ossuaries, yes? >> Yes. Yes. So, these dominoes go back. through the time of Christ, probably.

through ancient Egypt, and probably even. before then. Atlantis. >> Atlantis. Yep. Is that where. the first Templars come from? Or the not. They do. The tradition goes all the way. I I believe that. I know Tim believes. that. I know a lot of people believe. that. And I think more and more people. are going to be, you know, believe that. in the future. Um one of Tim's theories, [clears throat] which I think is. interesting, is that the the brothers of. the East in Constantinople were. guardians of the Atlantean knowledge,

and then I guess it was Hugh de Payens. Mhm. visited there and They captured. Jerusalem. They founded the Templars. Hugh de Payens, by the way, was the. uncle of Bernard de Clairvaux. Amazing. Coincidence? >> No. >> [laughter]. >> I say that all the time because I'm. being facetious, of course. >> noble southern France families. The the Merovingians, those Burgundian families in southern. France that. And Merovingians probably going to come. up later, I would think.

Their. religion? No, those the people. Oh, the. people, of course. >> Absolutely. This is all Look, one of the. And we haven't even gotten into the. research that I've been doing in the new. book, and, you know, the green jar and. all that. The green jar. The green jar. But if there's one thing. that recurs time and time and time. again, are these same family names. And they are all connected. They are.

descendants. And so, this is definitely. And I've said this, you probably heard. me say this on other shows. Um. these people are not just the. ideological. descendants, but the biological. descendants, as well, from Jesus, Mary. Magdalene, Egyptians, and beyond. So, We'll be free. >> And they're still here. And they're. still here. And I want to talk about. that. Can you make the Can you connect. that those dominoes for me from the.

stone to the Talpiot Tomb? How would How. do we connect that? Well, you goes to the Templars. The. [clears throat] Templars were in. Jerusalem, and the Templars were in the. Talpiot Tomb. They left their calling card in the form. of those three skulls. Um we also uh. there's some data. Now, one of the. things a lot of people don't know is. that when um. in 1980, when the archaeologists went. in, and, you know, they were blasting. the hillside in preparation for putting. the foundations in for an apartment. building, and they found this.

underground tomb. And these. [clears throat] are not rare in. Jerusalem, but we know that the ossuary. culture dates back to the 1st century. It was only used for about 100 years in. Jerusalem, and then when the Romans. crushed the Jews, that was the end of. it. >> Right. So, when we find these, we know. they date back to the 1st century. Um and in this particular tomb, I don't know if you've heard this, but. when the archaeologists went in, the. entire tomb. was flooded with terra rosa soil about 2.

ft deep. >> I have heard that. Okay. They covered. all the ossuaries and all the walls and. all the. kokhim, the tunnels inside the tomb. And uh I [clears throat] don't want to. segue off into the James ossuary, the. That's That's a That's a controversial. one. >> You know that one. You know how they. were able to establish that it came from. that tomb. Um just to catch people up, so that the the James ossuary is. was discovered by a collector is how it. came onto the scene. Well, let me just.

frame this first. >> In the in the tomb, there were 10. ossuaries that were cataloged. Only nine. made it to the Israeli Antiquities. Archives. One went missing. And that's James. That's the James. >> Okay. >> So, go ahead. So, these and these. ossuaries are the bloodline of of. Christ. So, John the Baptist So, so I. think it's important that we rattle off. the names. >> Yes. Okay. So, one of the ossuaries says. Jesus.

Yeshua, that's his real name. >> Yep. Can I just say something? Go for. it. I find this incredibly interesting, and I didn't know this either until I. knew it, but. probably 90 plus percent. of people who call them Christian call. themselves Christians who believe in the. resurrection of Jesus, and he's their Lord and Savior, don't even know his real name. [laughter] The Jews know his name. The. Jews do, but that's a small percentage. compared to people who call themselves.

Christians, right? I just find that. ironic, but in any case, so the name on. the ossuary was Yeshua, son of Joseph. Do you Another ossuary said James, son. of Joseph, brother of Jesus. Um one said uh Joseph, Matthew, Maria, Judah, son of Jesus. Now, there were. seven of the 10 ossuaries that were. inscribed with names. Six were in.

Aramaic, one in Greek. We just rattled. off the ones in Aramaic. The one in. Greek said Maryamne the Mara. Maryamne is a pet name for only Mary. Magdalene found in the Acts of Philip. So, what the actual F is going on? Why. doesn't the world know about this? >> I don't. >> How freaking obvious is this? >> And a couple of those names are actually. referenced in Mark 6:3. Same names. >> Same names. Now, some people have come.

back and said, "Well, those were common. names at the time.". >> They were. And some of them were. But when you start calculating the odds. as one of my. good friends that keeps me on the. straight and narrow we talked about. earlier, Jerry Lutkin, who's part of the. Telpiot Tomb Research Team as I am as. well, um calculated the odds once you. added in the James ossuary. It went from like 1 in 150,000. to 1 in 2 million.

So even. >> And it's not them. So even without. James, even without the controversy, this still fits. Well, I I I'll take those odds every. time, won't you? >> Sure. Of course. >> Hell yeah. So so it's them. Now, there's. so much more to it. Um and the way that. they were able to establish that that. ossuary that showed up on the. antiquities market and was purchased by. Oded Golan, I think was his name. I. don't remember, but. um he stood firm. And and the testing.

bared out the scientific testing. And. what they did was they took samples from. inside the tomb. from the ossuaries and they got a. geochemical fingerprint of that terra. rosa soil that were all contaminated, right? All the ossuaries and the walls. inside the tomb. And the geochemical profile when they. tested the James ossuary was a spot-on. match. It came from the tomb, but. obviously somebody had taken it. >> Right. and sold it, right? Did you test. DNA in there?

Do we have the genome? I can neither confirm nor deny. I know. what that means in Templar speak. >> [laughter]. >> Yes, you do. Well, I'm You know what? You should have Jerry on. You should You. should talk to Jerry Lutkin. He's very. well spoken. He's a. really fun guy, but he's really wicked. smart. And he's working with Simcha, um, James Tabor, uh, Charlie Pellegrino, um, and some of the other guys, um, on the the tomb, and they've done a lot. of work. A lot and it's not it's not.

public. So, why suppress this? What what. why not just follow the evidence? We are. >> [laughter]. >> And we're coming out with it right now. But I mean, there are forces that don't. want this information out. >> True. But I think I you know what? I I and I. was talking with Janet about this this. morning, uh, just before we came here. Um, with everything that's happening. right now, I think those forces have. bigger problems. Yeah. >> And I think. you know, you you understand precession,

right? >> I do. You know right now, we're living. through one of the most profound moments. in human history, astronomically, right? >> [clears throat]. >> And it was predicted that this would be. a time of great upheaval. This is the. dawning of the age of Aquarius. >> The dawning of the age of Aquarius, uh, which is symbolized by two streams that. flow together as one. And. I look at those two streams, I mean, there's a number of different. symbolic ways you can interpret that, but one of the ways I see it is.

ideologically, right and left, which is especially divided in this. country right now, right? >> Yep. And maybe what all this craziness. and that green jar is going to do. is bring us as one again. That's my. hope. And that's what I want to see. happen. I mean, it it's it's easy to. sort of go down that negative rabbit. hole and get caught up in all this. negativity, and it's awful. It's it's.

it's beyond awful. But the symbology is. there, right? We we've got Pisces, the. the light and the dark, the left and the. right, and we're now leaving that. behind. >> yep. >> [clears throat]. >> But I think yeah, and I and you know, what happens when you go through a dark. period? Yeah, clouds clear and the light comes. and the sun comes out and I I I'm. optimistic. I think that's going to. happen. And there's one other elephant. in the room that we haven't talked. about. And that is them.

And now. I mean the last several years this is. this is. been talked about, right? That's all we. hear about. It's time. that they were introduced and they had. their. time on the stage because they are here. And If you're listening Scott, >> in here. Scott pointed to the sky. So you've got. extraterrestrials in the in these. documents. Do you want Do you want to. reveal the documents? What you're. pointing at? I I I Yeah, I do. I do. I.

do. I I I could keep you here all day, man, but I I want to. >> nowhere to be. >> [laughter]. >> Well, why I I I mean it doesn't matter. which we do first, but I I I would also. like to talk a little bit about my new. book because now I mean it's you know, I. mean obviously I mean. I appreciate the plug, but what's. important is. the story is really important. And I'll. just I'll try to get through this as. quick as I can. I've taken Take your. time. Okay. So about 10 years ago.

exactly 10 years ago. ironically in July of 2016, what is it. about July when people bring stuff to. me? Um a woman seriously sent me an email. and she said "I've got the journals of. Earl Henry Sinclair." And I went "Yeah, right. >> [laughter]. >> Delete.". >> [snorts]. >> Next day, "No, really. I've got the. journals of Earl Henry Sinclair." "Stop. it. Delete.". About a week [snorts] later she goes, "No, I'm serious. I've got the journals. of Earl Henry Sinclair." And she sent a.

couple pages. Oh. >> up the phone. "Hi, [laughter] my name is. Scott Walter. Nice to meet you.". No kidding. That's what happened. So. what are the pages? Where was they were. they found? Who are they? >> Well, okay. So, what happened was I I. her name is Diana Muir. And um. I'm not going to take you through the. whole story, but what she did was she. I went down to see her. to view them. Where? At the Mormon Temple in Nauvoo. She's Mormon.

And um she laid them out. I have videos. I took pictures. I was. flummoxed, and Janet will know what that. means. Is this in Tennessee? They. I'm joking when I say flummoxed, but I. was No, I was seriously I was like, "Oh. my god." Go ahead. Were they in. Tennessee? Is that where she was? >> Illinois. Illinois. Illinois. And now, where did she find them? >> where she got them. Um. >> So, the the the the short story is she. was doing genealogy on her own family, and she went all the way back to the.

early [clears throat] 1800s and realized. well, late 1700s, and realized that one. of her ancestors was a guy by the name. of John Weems. We call him Junior. because his father was also John Weems. We call him Senior. And she went to a small genealogical. society in Tennessee. And she was doing research, and she. asked about John Weems. And the guy. said, "Well, I think we got something in. the basement." Went down the basement, and there was a wooden chest that had.

been rescued from a fire in a church in. that town back in 1880. When the church. burned down, they rescued this thing. Inside was a saddlebag. And inside the. saddlebag were these little paper. notebooks, and what she called a. burrito, which was a lambskin map that was drawn. by Antonio Zeno. of Nova Scotia. Of Nova Scotia. And. where they buried the treasures. Oak.

Island is in there? Oak Island is in. there? Yep. So, I'm like, "Okay, um. let's work together, right? I mean, I. knew that this was big, right?" Well, she got nervous. and threw them away. What? Oh my goodness. Because she had a checkered past. And if she was caught and how did she. get them?

She stole them. She stole them. She realized that if the world knew. about this, if the museum knew what they. had, we would already know about it. Obviously, they didn't because most of. them were written in Latin and old. English. Latin, forget about it, right? Have you ever looked at old English? >> Ain't can't read it. >> It's even worse. >> It's worse. The last The last five books were. written in modern English. Um Did she. take pictures before she threw them. away? >> She did. >> Okay. And.

we have. a lot of the stuff. And I took pictures. of everything. I'm I'm in I'm a lab guy. I'm anal retentive, you know? So, I I. did a good job. I would I still would. like to go back and do it again, but. anyway, so but what she did was she used. um. uh what you say? Bing Translate and. Google Translate and she translated. them. She took them. This was in 2005. She had them for about 10 years and then. she watched our show. >> [laughter]. >> The TV show? She watched our show.

and she heard us talking about. uh Henry Sinclair. And in the journal, she remembered the name Henricus. Sinclair. And that's when she went and and she she. translated everything. And she sent it to me. And I read it and I nearly myself. >> How did you know they. >> god, this is the greatest story I've. ever read. How did you know they were. real? Didn't know they were real. Did. How did you confirm that? >> It was too good to be true. >> Of course it is.

>> That's What do you think I did for the. last 10 years? That's why I waited till now to publish. it. Okay. Until I was satisfied that it. was more likely real than not. And there's some pretty interesting. stuff in there that. she didn't write this. Nobody else wrote this. I mean, there's. Masonic stuff. There's internal. evidence. There's sacred numbers. Uh. symbols. Uh the hook dicks. [snorts] We. didn't get into that. Did you find the. hook dicks on the Kensington Runestone?

I did. >> That's on there, too? 22 times. Can you. tell us what that is? Cuz that shows up. everywhere. >> It does. Great question. >> [laughter]. >> I just like this stuff. >> I love this stuff. So, okay. So, going. back to when I was doing the Runestone. Do you remember I told you about the. numbers and about the codes that we. found and about the legend of Enoch and. the Hebrew mysticism? Yes. Well, must be a coincidence, but.

we have numbers like eight, 22, 14, 10, 10, right? So, must be a coincidence that there are. exactly 22 hook dicks on the Kensington. Runestone. There are exactly. 10. VW. runes. VW. >> that the world has never seen. That the. scholars said never existed. No,

donkeys. It just means you've never seen. it. And you need to learn to say those three. little words. What are they? >> I don't know. >> Bingo. They can't do it. They can't say. that. Well, they didn't say that. But isn't that an interesting. coincidence? >> Pseudo science becomes science in a. matter of time. Well, look, you can't. deny these things. >> Numbers are numbers, right? There are 14. individual pentatonic numbers. So,

what's the what's the significance of. 14? Why is that important? >> Well, in the. Isis-Osiris mysteries, you know. >> [clears throat]. >> that when. um Osiris went to visit his jealous. brother Set, who killed him and cut his. body up into How many pieces? >> 14 pieces, right? >> pieces. And. How many stations of the cross are. there? >> 14 stations of the cross. >> Bingo.

Must be another coincidence, huh? No. Any case, um so you get you get what. what I'm talking And this is this. predates the runestone, 1362, right? >> this all goes back to Akhenaten in. 13 B 100 BC. Millennia before the runestone. There are eight. uh. G runes. on the runestone that. are backwards with a dot that they've. never seen. So, it's interesting that these numbers. are singled out. It's also interesting.

that if you add eight and 22, you get. what? >> 30. Two shelters. Two. How much? 32. One day's journey north from this stone. Scottish Rite degree system is. That's right. 33 degrees. >> That's right. >> Right? And let's talk more about those numbers. And one of the things that I do is I. talk about the esoteric aspects of the. Kensington runestone.

And to make it simple. just about all of us at one point in our. life. >> [clears throat]. >> ask those big questions. What happens when I die? Is there a god? What is the meaning of life, right? And. we all sort of go on a spiritual. journey. Some do it to organize. religion, some do it different ways, right? Some through. Hebrew mysticism. But at the end of the day, what happens. on that journey?

It all comes back to you, right? >> To us. It's just us at the end. Do you know how many vertebrae you have. in your spinal column? >> Oh, goodness. I'm going to guess 33. Bingo. I didn't know there was going to. be a biology exam on this. >> right? Come on. >> I didn't know there was going to be an. exam. Do you know how many bones are in. your skull? 14 in the skull. No? 24?

14 in your face. >> face, okay. Eight in your cranium for a total of 22. Oh. Bingo. The Templars love their numbers. Those are the magic numbers, and they're. on the Kensington Runestone. And 10. >> [clears throat]. >> when I went through the cryptic council. degrees on the way to be to the. Knights Templar degree in. Scottish Rite or in in um. um. Grand Lodge Masonry, let's call it. And. you're a Mason, you're a knight. I'm a.

knight. I'm a knight. But on the way, you go through what they call the. cryptic council. There's three degrees. in there, and the middle one is called. the select master degree. And it was in that degree. And just. [clears throat] so people understand, when we do our degrees, it's made up of. part theatrical performance, part. lecture. And usually the white hats, the. 33rds, give give the lectures. And so, [clears throat] in this. particular degree, um. it's the legend of Enoch and the secret.

vault that's nine levels below the. sanctum sanctorum. Wait, and Enoch is in. in in Freemasonry? Of course. I didn't know that. Yeah. Absolutely. >> That's fascinating. Yeah. So, in this. degree, it's basically uh about the. secret vault and the nine levels. Do you. know how when Enoch was introduced into. Freemasonry? I'm trying to put a date. line. >> On the Kensington Runestone is the. oldest record of it now. Uh cuz Dead Sea Scrolls. >> century. Cuz Dead Sea Scrolls is like.

1966. So, so they've been there a long. time. >> time. Okay. So, during the theatrical. performance, they basically play out. that um. it was decided that the three grand. masters. um King Solomon, Hiram Abiff, Hiram King. of Tyre were all the workers and the and. the wood came um. decided that they were going to build. the secret vault where a copy of all the. true treasures were kept that were up in. the sanctum sanctorum, right?

And then there's a couple of guards and. something happens and some guy gets down. there and somebody has to die and. there's a. >> lot of blood. Red from blood and death. >> Mhm. And I'm not really supposed to talk. about it, but I'm giving you I'm giving. you enough so that you can Yeah, I mean. I I. If you want to read the degree, you can. look it up online, but you know, I I. want to stick to my vows to some degree. I respect that. But then afterwards, a white hat gave.

the lecture. And at one point he said and the other. eight arches were built by 22 men from. Gebal. And I went, "Eight and 22? Those are the first two numbers on the. Kensington Runestone." And I didn't hear. another thing after that. And then after. the degree was over, I went to my. Masonic mentor John Freeburg, one of the. guys I told you about is on our team. I. said, "John, is there a ritual book for. this?" And he said, "Yes." I said, "Give. me that.". And I started reading. Oh my god.

Kensington Runestone. It's in there? It's all there. And I wrote a paper on. this. >> [snorts]. >> And to my knowledge. I'm the first person in history. to. make that connection. And the craft has accepted it. They have. That's true. And they've. accepted the Runestone. In fact, and and. Janet's Janet I know was part of this. But a few summers ago, our commandery. had like a a regional gathering and they.

asked me if I would lead a tour out to. the Kensington Runestone Museum and to. the farm that is now a Douglas County. Park dedicated to the Runestone. And. >> [clears throat]. >> so I did that. And I. there was a lot of people there. A lot. of people and you know, all my fellow. Templar Knights. and their families and and other Masons. and then they said, "Well, where does. the Runestone found, Scott?" I said, "Well, come on down the hill here a.

little bit. This is where the stone. holes triangulate. This is the spot.". And right when we got there. the Grand Commander, Jeff Nelson. [clears throat]. comes up. He said, "Well. and he starts talking and I'm like, "Wait a minute. What's going on here?". And uh. they presented me with the. the highest honor you can get in the. Templar and a beautiful jewel and a. medal and. >> I didn't know that. What is that honor. called? Um I forget now.

>> [laughter]. >> I got a picture. I I I don't remember. I. just it was I I I I I I I I it was um. uh but it was given by the Grand. Commander. In other words, they had. accepted. all the research. And then. >> [clears throat]. >> the um. uh the chaplain consecrated the ground. where the Runestone was found. >> What an experience. >> Templars. They accepted it as part of. their history. When were you knighted. and what was what's that experience. like? Which time? >> [laughter]. >> As a Templar. I've been I'm in three different Templar.

orders. Do you have to get knighted. different for each order? Yeah, you go through a knighting in all. three orders. What what can you tell us. about what that happens there? >> It's amazing. It's amazing. Um. >> [sighs]. >> I'm picturing candles and robes and. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Well, there's. definitely candles and there's there's a. a ritual. Um. Brother, I I I. There is There is one thing in.

Templarism that I cannot talk about. But um. when you go through that final degree. there are a lot of things that just. suddenly fall into place. >> And you're like, "Oh, Now I get it." The Templars have been. passing down that knowledge since. Atlantis. Is it continued to pass down. through the orders today? Yes. And what. I will tell you is that in my personal. opinion, most of the guys that go. through these degrees have no idea. what's really going on.

Um And And in many ways it really. doesn't matter because. one of the beautiful things about the. Masonic system and about the degree. system is you are preserving ancient. knowledge through this ritual. and through lecture. And even if you. don't understand it it doesn't matter. It's preserved. >> Right, just protect it. And if you think. about it, it's a brilliant system. It. really is. Now, a lot of guys. want to dig deeper. And what's.

interesting about what's happening today. in Freemasonry, a lot of young people. are turning away from religion. But. they're asking those big questions. Um a lot of the things that you talk. about on your show, the things that I've. asked about and they're just not getting. the answers through. the regular channels, right? So, they're. they're looking to things like Masonry. And [snorts]. um. and I've turned a lot of people on to. that. But a lot of guys will go through.

and they just want to go through the. line, they want to be the Worshipful. Master, and do all the jewels and all. the And that's great. And there's a. wonderful tradition there. That's just. not my jam. I'm a researcher. I want to understand. what is the meaning behind the rituals. that we're doing. >> I agree. Where does that go back to? And. what does it all mean? And I will tell you that it is freaking. profound. And it goes all the way back. to the Templars, it goes back to Jesus. and Mary and John the Baptist,

Egyptians, Atlanteans, it's all part of. the same tradition. Do you want to take. us there? Where do we go next? Let's talk about um Henry Sinclair. So, [clears throat] we talked a little. bit about the journals. And. so, what I did is I spent 10 years of. vetting these journals. And then last year I decided I was. ready. I. And and all I did was I The first thing. I do is I I attacked the elephant in the. room. Diana.

Because. everyone's going to go. I'm glad I'm glad you do this. I You got. to do it. >> You have to do it. >> You can't sit there and dance around. and, you know, it's Look, it's. uncomfortable sometimes to you know, we've all had those moments where you. you have to have that talk with your son. or your daughter, right? You're not. looking forward to it, but you got to do. it. And you do it. So, we talk about her and um. she was very forthcoming. She admits she. stole them. And frankly, I'm glad she did. Otherwise, they'd still be sitting in.

there and who knows when they would be. found. Yeah. And and realized, right? >> [snorts]. >> So, we we do that and then um another. copy of the journals showed up. They did? >> They did. They did. >> Where did those come from? >> Well, she actually tracked it down. Because what [clears throat] she did is. she followed the lines of John Weems Jr. who had like 10 kids. And what we found out is after his. death, right before the Civil War, um they were all Masons.

Um and a cousin, I think, two cousins. and one of the sons recopied. And they went down their lines, and so. we were able to get a copy from that. line. And what happened was. um John Alston Weems, or James Alston. Weems, in 1885. So, this would be about John Weems John. Weems Jr. died in 1812, so we're talking. what, 70 years later? 73 years later. He has a copy of the journals, but.

they're in the old language. So, he. asked a nun. to translate them. She was a She was. formally trained in Montreal, which is French, right? >> Right. But she was formally trained by. the Catholic Church in Latin. And so, she did her own translation. And that was done in 1885, and it was. recopied, and what we have is a modern. copy. Now, if you have a person who has a copy of.

those journals from from 1885, who's. formally trained in Latin, would you expect the. those translations to be exactly like. Diana's, who used modern. uh translation programs on the internet? Probably not identical. And if they. were, that's a problem, right? >> problem, yeah. They're not even close. They're not even close. Well, the. the essence of the messages are exactly. the same, but the phrasing is different, words are different. She sneaks in some.

French words, because she lived in. Montreal. Like grand père, which is and I'm not. I'm not saying that right. correctly, but uh it's a word for. grandparents. And that's not in. Diana's. So, um that actually breathes authenticity. into the the document. But in any case, it's the same story. So, what I do is I. published. Diana's translation, and then in. italics, I do Sister Harkins.

translation, and then highlighted or is. my commentary. And this is in your book? >> This is in the book. >> Okay. So, just for fun, can we read a. couple of passages? >> I'm ready. Okay. So, um, when Earl Henry Sinclair was 8 years. old, the very first entry his father. he writes about how his father, and. eight is a very important number. Remember? >> Yep. Eight gods? Eight gods. And he says, I want I he get he gave me. this book to write down things I will.

remember when I am a man. And he writes religiously throughout his. life, and we learn everything about his. life, and it's an amazing life. Let me. tell you, he becomes the Earl of Orkney, and a lot of crazy stuff. But anyway, so. what he does is he's also a vassal to. the Norwegian king as the Earl of. Orkney, because they were under the rule. of the of the Norwegian king at that. time. And so, he has to go to Norway. periodically and report, right? >> So, this is when, like, late 14th. century? Well, the first entry he makes.

is in 1353 when he's 8 years old. So, he. was born in 1345. Um, then [clears throat] he this particular. time he goes up is in 1368, which is about 6 years after the. runestone was carved, and he finds out. when he's having dinner with the king. and a bunch of people that there was a. guy who recently came back from the. western lands. North America. Where is that written?

That's in the journals? >> yes. But I thought you told me. Christopher Columbus discovered America. >> I never said [laughter] that. You shut. up. I did NOT SAY THAT. I KNEW THAT WAS COMING. >> [laughter]. >> OKAY. SO, he learns from this guy. It reminds him that about a party that. left Norway in 1358. And he's he heard about them, but he. doesn't know what happened to them. So,

he says in one of his journals, "I got. to go back and talk to the brethren and. find out, the older guys, right?". >> Yep. So, he writes in July 26th. This is. about 2 months after he gets back from. Norway. July 26th, 1368. I have spoken with the. brethren regarding my concerns for the. men who have traveled to the western. banks in the spring of 1358. No word has been received from them, but. brother Cameron has said that none is. expected.

They were instructed to find suitable. land for settlement. Boom. Land claim. >> [laughter]. >> Right on. >> Yep. And that more would follow. More what would follow? >> More Templars. >> More Templars are coming. They were. establishing New New Atlantis. >> New Atlantis. They were instructed to find suitable. land for settlement and that more would. follow. He acknowledged that they were. men of the craft. and included monks with herbal.

knowledge. So, we Freemasonry, alchemy. and the monks with alchemy. and obviously legend of Enoch knowledge. >> Yes. The Rune Stone. Earlier, we figure out who it was. His. name was Father Richards, but I'm I. don't want to go down that rabbit hole. today. >> Okay. Because of the political unrest in. Scotland, no additional brethren have. been sent. It might be several years. before another journey can be planned.

So, in. Earl Henry takes. eight ships. loaded with treasures. to the western lands and then he went. again in 1398. Were these the Templar. treasures? Templar treasures that were. hidden in we Oh, we learn all about. where they were hidden. And we know what happened after they. left La Rochelle. So hang on, let's. catch everybody up. These are the. treasures that that King Philip the Fair. wanted and they were missing.

>> Yes. So when the arrest order came down. on October 1313. uh '07, the agents of the church. immediately went to the treasury at the. headquarters of the Knights Templar in. Paris, opened the doors and it was. empty. Then they went up to La Rochelle. where there were 18 ships that were um. parked there uh loaded well, some of. them were loaded with treasure and when. the agents went up there, they were gone, too.

So they disappeared into history. And people have speculated ever since. This tells us exactly what happened. >> going to learn what the items actually. were? If you're nice. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, I got another one for you. Now, the obligation after Earl Henry um came. came over. was passed down to his son and grandson. and five generations of the Sinclairs is. you were to visit the western lands.

twice in your lifetime. Once with your. father, once with your son. To make sure the treasures were safe. >> [snorts]. >> Um it's important to note too that. starting with Earl Henry, they formed a. deep spiritual bond with the natives. who basically bonded through ritual. The natives practiced Freemasonry just. like we do. Exactly the same. Funny about that, huh? Most people don't. know that. Um.

I've been in their sweats. And I had to earn the right to ask my. questions. They say that knowledge came. from somewhere else. They've been doing. it. for tens of thousands of years, all the. way back to you know who. Yep. So, the. natives know. Yes. And basically and. intermarriage, they also bonded through. intermarriage. But essentially what the. natives said to Earl Henry and his. descendants. was, "You are our brothers. Gold and silver mean nothing to us. If.

you want us to guard these treasures for. you, we'll do it.". So, every time they came back to check. on them, they met with the natives, they broke. bread, they shared rituals, and a lot of those knights stayed. In. fact, in 1398, 120. Knights Templar said, "We've been. excommunicated. The plague is ravaging. in Europe. You know what? I think we're. going to try our chances over there. You. know those native women? They're pretty. cute.". Where did those Templars end up?

North America. >> North America? >> So, not only did they leave the. treasures, they brought the bloodline. Oh, boy. And put it in the natives. But that's. another story. Any case, [gasps and sighs]. they brought put the bloodline in the. natives. Why do you think there was so much. genocide? Yeah, committed by by Catholics. Okay. Lot more to the story, isn't Yeah, there is. So,

>> [clears throat]. >> we go through all the the the five. generations of the Sinclairs, we get and. the journals passed from the Sinclairs. to the Weems because the later. generations were not good guys. Catherine Sinclair, interesting that a. goddess made the transfer to her husband. who was James Weems. The Weems clan. were shipping barons then and they still. are to this day. So, they had the the to. go over and check on the treasures, right? >> So, for nine out of 10 generations, the.

Weems family went over and checked on. the treasures. We get to the 10th. generation, which is John Weems Jr. who receives uh a note from his father. He said, "You need to come see me right. away. It's very important. Get here as. soon as you can.". And he writes in his journal. By the. way, he was the most prolific writer. He said, "My father's never asked me to. do something like this before. I need to. get up there right away.". John Weems Jr. fought in three wars, the.

French and Indian Wars, the Revolution, and I forget the other one. And he was deeded land by the government. in Tennessee. That's how he got to. Tennessee. He was originally in North. Carolina when he got this missive when. he was 28 years old. Oh, that's why. Tennessee factors in. He was gifted the. land. >> Exactly. Exactly. So, he goes to visit his father who. lives in Abington, Pennsylvania, which. is about 20-minute drive north of. Philadelphia. And he says, "Son." And it turns out his.

father was at really bad gout. He would. die two years later in 1771, but this is. 1769. He said, "You're to go with these two. older men. up to Nova Scotia to check on the. treasures, and then when you're done, come back.". His father couldn't go with him. So, they go up there, they check on the. treasures. On the way back, John is. having doubts about the story, and he's. reading the journals. His father gives. him the journals to read. He's having doubts? Doesn't he see the. treasure?

Well, no, they see where it's buried. It's in the ground. >> Oh, so But they see piles of rocks, they. see inscribed stones, they see who knows. what what else what what all. And he's. like, "Descended from, you know, kings. in Scotland. This is crazy." So, you. know what the older guys did? What? They. took him to the Newport Tower. The Newport Tower? John was an engineer, and he was fascinated with how the. building was the windows were in the. cardinal points and aligned to the you. know the astronomical he caught all.

that. >> So to catch everybody up that's the. route that's the windmill right the. Benedict Arnold windmill. You stop it. That's for some reason is round and for. some reason it lines with the solstice. >> like this when you say windmill man. I. know. But I but you obviously know about. the tower. you know it was built by the Templars. and and it's mentioned in here. It's. mentioned in here. I mean Anyway. um. So he comes back and he's convinced when. he the tower convinced him for some. reason. So he comes back to his father.

and his father they've been gone for. like two months and he said son the. political situation has changed you need. to go back and round up more men. and you're going to go recover those. treasures next year. So he does that. He. rounds up 46 Freemasons young men. and six slaves. Now I'm going to ask you. a question. Do you know what the word. manumission means? Yes. To liberate a slave.

Damn. >> [laughter]. >> Nobody gets that right. >> Oh. I didn't know what that was. I. learned about it in the journals. So. what what did they do with the So those. six slaves that went up and helped. recover their treasures were freed when. they got back for their service. Wow. So. 46 men and six slaves go to Abington. where there was a a special meeting. It. was like the rah-rah speech before they. took off. Remember they're going into. British territory right? Right. And so.

And this is about what you like 1770 70? 1770. Okay. So it's dangerous. So that it's. yeah. So listen to this. This entry was. written by John Weems Jr. May 6th. 1770. And it's it'll it'll speak for itself. My father having been raised to the. status of master mason in the 46 British. regiment, I had to go to Canada.

to vet this. And that's another story in. itself. I looked at all the Templar. records going back to his times. He was. a Templar. >> [clears throat]. >> Um his father. 46 British regiment. presided over the meeting which was. attended by William Ball of Philadelphia. and Benjamin Franklin, the former. provincial grand master of Pennsylvania. And that is correct. That timing is. correct. Now, anybody could have found. that, but everything fits, right?

>> It's a big hoax if it's a hoax. There's. a lot of information. >> too much detail. >> Right. That that that fits. The brethren gathered in the schoolhouse. and for 3 hours were impressed upon by. the presiding brethren the importance of. their mission. We were each divided into. groups of five and each group was named. after the ship of Earl Henry's that. brought the treasures on, which is kind. of cool. Yeah. >> [clears throat]. >> And told to embrace each other in the. coming journey and learn to trust and. depend upon each other as it would.

become vitally important in our task. The presiding brethren also imparted. their knowledge of current political. events and told us that it was immensely. important that the Templar treasure find. its way back to the grand lodge to. assist in the oncoming war. The Revolutionary War is funded by. Templars? By Templar treasure? That's how I interpret it. That's what. it sounds like. Uh it was financed by somebody. Well,

one of my friends, John Freeberg, I. think I told you about him, did a little. research into the financing of the. Revolutionary War. And there was one. particular brother who I can't remember. his name. that put up a lot of the money. But John says he could only account for. 60 of the 160 million that was spent on. the war. Where did that other 100 million come. from? And I think we might know. >> Yeah. Cuz we looked into all this.

>> [clears throat]. >> Uh we would soon lose control of the. territory in Nova Scotia and the. brethren feared it would be lost if not. retrieved straight away. They also. reiterated that secrecy was of the. utmost important and that we would. always be surrounded by British troops. and subjects who might report our every. move. Brother Franklin. reminded us that no matter what our. political or religious leanings, our.

loyalty to the brethren was most. important. We would we must honor our commitment. and remember our vows or the burgeoning. nation of free men might never come to. pass. I don't know about you, but I get chills. every time. >> Absolutely. After a brief supper was. served and prayers were said, we left to. return to our bunks in Abington knowing. that the future of the nation lay in our. hands. I prayed that I would be a. capable leader and said as much to my.

father. He responded that leaders are not born. They are created. The Lord would guide me in my journey. I. must only have faith in him as he does. in me. Father made the sign of a cross. on my forehead with his thumb and gave. me his blessing. I leave with a lighter. heart. That's very That's lovely. I I I was like in tears the first time I. read that. I'm like. Franklin, brother. >> Yeah. why didn't you tell us?

>> [laughter]. >> I MEAN, BUT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT THAT. Nobody could know, right? >> But most of the founding fathers were. Masons, weren't they? 53 of the 56. signers. So, do you think they knew. about this? Hell yes. Do you think they. >> kidding me? Of course they did. If Ben. Franklin knew, George knew, Thomas. Jefferson, George May- Well, George. Mason was. Great. Listen. So, so you know where. George Mason uh Island is. Yes. Theodore.

Roosevelt Island, right? So, you and Tim. must have talked about this. We didn't. You didn't? >> No. So, please. Damn, man. You're impressive. Look at. you. July 14, 1770. They're back. And actually, you know who captained the. ship? It was a Weems. He was a Brit. >> Oh. He was a Brit. But his But his vows. >> to the brethren was most important. Yes. >> And it was it was his cousin.

Uh John's cousin. And he's They brought. everything back. And kept their mouths shut. It has taken the greater part of the day. to transfer all the. uh all the cargo up the Potomac River to. Mason's [clears throat] Island. That is. now Theodore Roosevelt Island, which. sits right behind what monument? Is it behind Jefferson? Lincoln. Lincoln. Okay. Right by the river there. Right where that helicopter crashed.

Mhm. Remember that? The collision? >> Yep. I think Mason's monument is over there. somewhere, though. Oh, it's it's it's behind Thomas. Jefferson. >> Behind Jefferson. >> They call him the forgotten founder. Oh, that's. >> George Mason. >> Yeah. Yep. Uh surprised at the Oh. Do. you want to tell You got to tell them. why he's the forgotten founder. Well, he's he's called the forgotten. founder because you don't hear about. him. Uh but he was the one that wrote. um. the Bill of Rights and.

um I think it was the Constitution, you. know, the um. part of the constitution that was. actually uh for the state of Virginia. and Thomas Jefferson used that as a. template for. >> right. >> Yeah. So. But anyway, he was also one. that would not sign the Bill of Rights. unless there was a provision put in. there that basically said that everybody. is born with certain inalienable rights. Did you know that? >> know that. >> goes back to um. Parsifal.

where it's first mentioned that every. human being is born with certain. inalienable rights. And he wouldn't sign. it until they put a provision in that. said that. The church doesn't like that, either. Well, too bad. >> [clears throat]. >> Uh I was enlisted by Brother Hanson to. inventory the cargo it was was placed in. the vault. and was surprised at the amount of. treasure we had recovered. The inventory was given to Brother Mason. upon completion, so I do this from.

memory. Hold on. Are we going to No, >> we should JUST STOP. >> NO! >> [laughter]. >> HOLD ON. ARE YOU READY FOR THIS? >> YEAH. Buckle up cuz here we go. So, forget Oak. Island, there's nothing there. Nope. It's gone. Okay. In total, there are more than 40 chests. of coin. 25 gold crucifixes of varying sizes.

12 menorah of varying sizes. Numerous parchments and paintings kept. in tubes of crushed lime and clay. Only a few of Only a very few of them. have been open to the weather and all. seem in good repair. >> [clears throat]. >> There are also six arks. made of gold and silver of various. sizes. You mean like Ark of the Covenant. arks? Spelled A R K. Okay.

That's how I interpret it. So, you know what that means, right? I think most people listening are going. to go, "Six arks, what are you talking. about, right?" Well, the secret of the. ark. isn't where it is. It's how to make one. And you know how to make You know who. knows how to make one? Our boy, Tim Hogan. Tim knows how to make an ark? Yeah.

I knew he was an alchemist, I didn't. know he was an ark builder. I'm sorry if I wasn't supposed to say. anything, [laughter] Tim. They're going to revoke your award. >> [gasps]. >> Uh three heavily decorated with filigree. and winged creatures. >> Oh my goodness, so this is the cherubim. on the ark? Yes. Four stone boxes that contain remnants. of bone. Oh my goodness. A stone box of broken stone tablets.

>> [laughter]. >> I mean, you can't make this I mean, I. guess you could, but. >> No, you could, but you can't, right? An emerald tablet. Several bloodied swords and lances, two. of which are broken. One stone box contains flasks of. mysterious substances. Alchemy. Yeah. But I am reluctant to ask. what magical solutions they contain. Several casks of jewels and numerous.

other gold and silver artifacts fill the. empty space. It was late evening before we closed the. door to the vault, which was then sealed. with mortar made of crushed lime and. shells. The entrance was then covered. with soil and made invisible to those. who know not where it lay. A group of 10 and 14 Masons encircled. the tomb. And we blessed the vault and asked.

Heavenly Father to bless and protect. this place against time and ravages and. greed of war. Cousin James left under the. Anyway, that's getting into the details. Now, let me ask you a question. Why 10. and 14? I was going to ask you, it's a strange. way to say that. Aren't those numbers on. the Kensington Runestone? >> Oh, that's right. Why didn't you just say 24? I don't know. Templars do this. There's. a reason. And he called it a tomb. I did not catch.

that at first. First time I read this, I. was so flabber- flabbergasted. Um. four stone boxes with remnants of bone. Are those the bones that we're talking. about? I I honestly don't know. But. Of course they are. I mean, why else would they bring them over, right? I would love to test those bones. against what's in Talpiot.

We've already. Have you done that? I. No. Okay. Not yet. But I will say that if bones or maybe. let's say they found a skull. Could we test that against known. entities that came out of like say the. Talpiot tomb? Mhm. Could they have done the DNA already? And could we test it?

I'd say yeah. Has it been done? Can't confirm nor deny. What you said. Not not yet. Not yet. Okay. Okay. So, that's that. This is the greatest story, seriously, Templar tale never told. This is like. This is like National Treasure on. steroids. Good luck getting it. It's. sold out. I couldn't get [clears throat]. it. Uh we'll get more. We'll print more. But I mean I I am now and then I have a.

final chapter. where I talk about I called it analysis. And um I'm just going to give you one. minor little example that is nothing. that says a lot. In one of the entries, when they're. [clears throat] over here, they talk. about a big feral furry animal that cuts. down trees. Which a lot with a large flat tail.

Beavers? Beavers. The entry was made in 16 something. This. is This is John Weems Jr., I think, or. No, it was the generation before that. What I found out is that beavers were. hunted out in like the 14th century. That's true. In the British Isles. >> Yep. They were reintroduced in 2004. So beavers are in Scotland and England. now. But in 1665, that's when it was that when he wrote.

that entry. He didn't know what the hell. that was. He didn't know what kind of. animal that was? He didn't know because. he didn't have them over there. >> Right. For like 300 years. But now they. have them. Now something like that is so. innocuous. But yet it's huge, right? >> that really sell it for me. Those little. Like the two lances were broken. Like. he's just covering Like look at But I. remember a couple were broken. The. swords were broken, right? Bloodied and. broken. There was a stain on them or. something. But there's there's all kinds.

of in 1014. Why? I mean it's stuff like that that just If. you're a force you don't know this. stuff, right? And you start getting into. the sacred numbers. that are the Fibonacci sequence. 1 2 3 5. 8 13. Um and then you know 22 and 26 which is. 2 * 13. And when you understand the. sacredness of these Not many people know.

this. And yet this is what they're doing. because it's honoring. deity. It's honoring the goddess. What's. also interesting about that entry that. nobody would know. is that throughout the journals they. talk about the goddess blessing the. getting the blessing of the goddess. They rarely talk about the heavenly. father. The only time that they mention here. is when it's associated with death.

That's interesting. Yeah, it is. They. don't mention the goddess. And the. goddess is life. Bingo. >> Yeah. And that's why they they always use the. sacred numbers. Now, some people know. that now cuz we've been talking about it. but Did you realize that agates were. based around the sacred numbers when you. were hunting them? >> Of course. I didn't. >> [laughter]. >> No, I didn't at first but um I do now. I. mean it's everywhere. It's It's the key. to life in the universe. >> Let's take a quick break and then we'll.

come back and we'll look at these. >> do. Do you want to do the green jar? We need to get to the green jar. I don't. care if you do or not. We're doing. [laughter] it. >> it. All right, back. Green jar. Do we want. It's time. >> the big reveal? You know what? Um And it's okay if it's. not. I I No, I I think I think this this is. the big reveal and I mean I need to give. you a little bit of context but I I do. want to just do one thing if it's okay. A.J. Um. as we go through this, you know, we're.

having a really good time and I again I. want to thank you again for having me. on. This has been I'm having a blast. actually. it to end. I want [laughter]. to keep going. But, um um. you know, as much fun as we're having, you know, I just want people to understand that. what we're doing here is we're not. trying to go after anybody. We're not. trying to attack anybody's faith. I'm. not trying to make a point. Um. we've been doing this research. Um I've. been on this path.

And it led us to finding this jar. And. I'm going to tell you the story. And. it's about some of the most important. things. to a lot of people. And I just want people to understand I'm. not here to try to offend anybody. I'm. not trying to attack anybody's faith. I'm just presenting the information. I'm. certainly welcome to have my own. opinion, but I'm not trying to project. anything. I'm just. we found it. And here's what it says. And I think.

that's that's good enough. So, if people. can do their own research, they can. believe what they want to believe. We're. not here to change minds. Yep. You. should just follow the evidence. Yeah. And it's a great story. >> great story. It's a you know, it's a. treasure hunt. So. All right. Well, let. me give you a little bit of context. Um. so, in 2006, I was at a conference on. the East Coast, uh a NERA conference, New England Antiquities Research. Association. >> [clears throat and cough]. >> And um. I gave a lecture and then afterwards I. was introduced by a woman named Zena.

Halpern, who was a good friend, um to a guy named Don Roo. 6' 8" guy who. um has [clears throat] a voice like. this. SO, IF I TALK LIKE HIM, I CAN'T. HELP IT. BUT ANYWAY, uh very interesting guy. And. he asked me if I would. um. help him with some field work. And in 2008, myself, Steve St. Clair, my son Grant, and a guy uh another. friend and researcher by the name of.

Dave Brody went up uh into the Catskill. Mountains. >> [clears throat]. >> and uh to help Don with some research. and we found some carvings up there. Theban letters carved in the rocks and. um and an inscribed stone. We found an. inscribed stone. >> Wow. Had the latitude and longitude of. Montreal. It had some interesting symbols carved. on it on the backside which we now know. are a Tanit symbol which is the ancient.

goddess of the Phoenicians. and something called the wilted rose of. the house of the Magdalene. I didn't know what those symbols were at. the time, but I do now. Where How did. you date this stone? Um What age is. this? We aren't really sure, but it probably. dates back to about. sometime in the 17th century. >> Okay. Not that old. Not super old. In any case, I got to know Don and um I came to.

realize kind of along with him. that. he worked for an agency starting in 1961. until it was dissolved in 1994. that did work for our military. They were paid to do certain work. Um. and I'm supposed to say He didn't tell. you what kind of work? You know what. kind of work he did? >> Yes. You can't say? I can't really go. into all of it. I don't want to upset Don. Don's 83.

years old and you know, he's Let's not. upset Don. I don't want to upset Don. But anyway, um. his best friend was a guy by the name of. Bill Jackson who after he got out of. serving in Korea needed a job, so Don. got him involved in the in with this. agency. So they started working. together. One of and they lived in New. York in the Bronx and one of the things. that they used to do. and in 1968, they went up the Hudson. [clears throat] River to a place called.

Bannerman Island. Francis Bannerman was. an arms dealer who would sell to both. the north and the south during the Civil. War, and then his son sold to people. leading up to the First World War. It's. an interesting story. But he was a Scottish arms dealer. >> [clears throat]. >> And what they did was in. um. 1916, the I think don't quote me on. these dates, but 1916. Francis Bannerman uh the fourth died, fourth or sixth, I forget now. And then 2 years later, the munitions.

that were stored on the island blew up. So, all the stuff went into the water, Hudson River, around the island. Don and Bill and his buddies would go up. there and scuba dive and snorkel, get. the munitions, take them to the Bronx, and pawn it for money. Well, while they were up there, Don was. over on the eastern shore, which is only. about a quarter mile, it's close to the. eastern shore, where where the railroad. goes by, and he found a couple of. decorative ornaments that had blown off. the island. And he gave them to his.

friend Bill because his wife was a. gardener, and she used them in her. garden. A year later, their 5-year-old son. pulled the top ball of this decorative. ornament and realized that it opened, and Bill opened it, and inside was a. clay tube, 4 in long, inch in diameter, sealed with beeswax. Inside were two parchments. that. uh were encrypted in Theban and had a. very controversial message. Uh the other thing that was inside there.

was a brass. hockey puck-shaped device that was. actually a navigation device. And inside. were metal inserts. On one of those. metal inserts was the word. Antiora. Antiora is the ancient name of North. America. Bill. um did a bunch of research, traveled to. France, and he bought a book. that had the word Anteora in it. And.

basically, this book was European. languages that have Native American. words in them. And the word Anteora was in this book. It was published in 1715. What Bill Jackson then did was chase. down the descendants of the two authors, Rochefoucauld and Benvenuto. Eventually, met the. the descendant of Benvenuto in Rome, who. had a document that was referenced. inside that paper.

that we now call the Cremona document. >> Mhm. And it was offered to Bill, and he. bought it. Bill did not tell. Don everything about his research. One of the things we know that he bought. was an encrypted story about a. 12th-century mission. of six ships with 144 men and women led. by a Templar knight by the name of Sir. Ralph de Sudeley.

Um. look up his brother. He did something. very. famous. But anyway, he was to lead these people to North. America. to a place that it we know now is in the. Catskill Mountains, where we were hiking up on in 2008 and. 9. A place called the Temple of the. Goddess, where ancient biblical era. scrolls were hidden.

And de Sudeley's mission was to go and. recover those scrolls and bring them. back to Europe. He left in 1177. [clears throat]. >> Who assigns him that mission? Grand. Master. Okay. On the way, he stopped in Denmark and. picked up their navigator, a woman by. the name of Altamara. I think she was indigenous because she. knew exactly how to get to the temple. How would she know that? Because that's. where she came from, right? On the way there, rounding the southern.

coast of Newfoundland, one of their. ships hit rocks. It was unable to be. fixed. They salvaged they. salvaged everything, towed it out and scuttled scuttled it. They marked the location in the Cremona. document. Bill got that part of the. document and he said, "Let me take this. part and I'll be back.". And then he called Don, said, "Hey Don, I want to go scuba diving up in. Newfoundland.". Don never married, never had kids, never.

had an excuse. But as Don said, Bill said the magic. words, "I'LL PAY.". >> [laughter]. >> SO THEY WENT UP THERE TO DIVE the. shipwreck and they found the ship. Wow. And it's all in the book I'm writing. right now and it's amazing stuff. Anyway, that convinced Bill that the. story was true. He went back to Rome and. he bought it in 1971. And they were up there in '71. So for the next 20-something years, Bill.

was doing everything he could in the. field to try to find stuff. We now know. uh we now know. And he would always bring Don with him. And Don would hear things but he didn't. he didn't know what was going on. In 1994, Bill, who was a medical doctor, realized he was dying of arterial. sclerosis and Parkinson's disease and he. sold the document. to the Vatican. Oh no.

Yeah, that's what I said. >> Oh no. Bill was no fool. In 2013, one [clears throat] of the The guys that. worked in the agency called Don and. said, "Hey, I've got some 35 mm film. that Bill gave me. Do you want this Undeveloped.". Bill said Don said, "Of course.". >> Mhm. Photographs of everything that he sold. >> Then.

>> [clears throat]. >> in 2017. Jan and I were driving back from the. East Coast and we just happened to stop. and see Don. And I go in there and I said, "I want to. get a drink of water." I go in the. kitchen and I look and I see a picture. of Don. with Rick Lagina and another guy from. The Curse of Oak Island show. I said, "What the hell?" I said, "Were those. guys here?" He said, "Yes." I said, "What the hell they want?" He said, "They left me a contract.

You read it. You're in the TV business. You tell me." So, I'm reading this thing. and I go, "Huh, this is great, Don. They. want all your artifacts. They want all. your documents. They're not going to pay. you anything, but they're going to let. you be on the show for your 15 minutes. of fame. This is a great contract. I'd. sign it RIGHT AWAY." "I'M NOT SIGNING. THAT.". >> [laughter]. >> "WELL, HOW ABOUT SIGNING MINE?" You did? I did. We signed a deal right there. I still can't believe that. And then he. hands me.

a manila envelope. And I open the manila envelope. And there's a letter. from Bill Jackson's daughter, Melissa. Basically, she said. she's got a letter from her father from. 1996. And she basically he says, "I'm giving. you this stuff. because I don't want your mother to get. it." His wife hated all this research. And he said, "If your mother gets it, she'll throw it away. If anything. happens to me, get this to Don.".

Well, Bill died in 2000, so obviously. Melissa forgot. But in 2017, she found. it and she mailed it to Don. And that. letter was in there, and she wrote a. letter, and you know, said, "Dad told me. that I'm sorry, you know, blah blah. blah.". You know what was in there? What? Page one. of the year we remember, that story of. the subtly going over to recover, and he. got half the scrolls, and he wintered.

over Half the actual scrolls? that were. at the Temple of the Goddess. This is. This is 1179. And then they wintered over it, they. sailed back, and then 1180, he gave his. deposition in front of the Grand Master. and agents of the church. They each made. copies. That's what we got. But he said one of the most the most. important document that he was able to. recover was the marriage document of. Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Wow, the. marriage document.

>> And that was in 1180. So, half the scrolls are still there. So, [clears throat]. now Melissa gives us this sheet, and. it's filled with Theban. And on the back. >> What's Theban? Theban is um. it's a um. an alphabet a secret alphabet that was. used by the Templars that was developed. sometime around. 1250, we think. Okay. Any case, [clears throat] a lot of the documents. that we would end up getting are in.

Theban, and you're going to see some. Theban today. So, anyway, um. that first page also had a cipher phrase. at the top. that it turns out you have to have to be. able to decipher any of the Theban. In Bill's notes, he basically told the. church that the first page was missing. That was a lie. >> Yeah. So, guess what? He sold the church.

a worthless document. [laughter]. Boom. I love this guy. Now we're starting to. learn what he really did. Long story short, over the course of the. last. almost. it'll be 9 years. Half a dozen of the colleagues that Bill. and Don worked with. in this agency, this company. have died.

And we know what Bill did. He. disseminated the most important parts of. the document to his colleagues with. strict instructions upon their deaths, this material was to go to Don Ru. Why Don? Well, the third one we got was. a letter written from Bill to John. Lennon. Not that John Lennon. John. Lennon was with the agency, but he was. also with Scotland Yard. And whenever. they would go to the British Isles, he. was the liaison that they would meet up.

with, and he and Bill were good friends. So, he gave him some stuff. But in the. letter, he said, "Don and I were childhood friends. He is. my best friend. He was the only one that. took my research seriously. So, I and he. was the youngest of the Spartan. personnel. So, he's probably going to outlive us, and that's exactly what's happened.". He's the last man standing. >> Does he have all the material? Is it now. all accounted for? It is. Okay. So, now.

you know what Bill did. In 2022, Janet and I and Don went into the woods. in the upper Adirondacks. And we went. Hold that thought. In 1656, we have a letter that was. written by Lionel de Walderon the 23rd. His name shows up in earlier documents. Remember this bloodline stuff we were. talking about?

>> For sure? >> Okay. He writes a letter that says, "Flatlanders and Hollanders, Dutch. people, are moving into the area. We got to get this stuff out of here.". And then he lists all the documents that. they still had at the temple that were. hidden in North America. One of them is something called the Book. of the Wars of the Lord, which is. mentioned in Numbers. This is a This is. allegedly a lost book of the Bible. Yes,

but no extant copy is known to exist. today. That's not true. We have two parts. You have that book? >> Remember those pictures? Yep. That's what the Vatican wanted. Of course they did. Because in the Book of the Wars of the. Lord, which we now have, Bill. gave to us in his weird way, there are two things that are. problematic. We can read them if you. want, but I'll just tell you what's. >> You tell us what's in there.

>> what's problematic. One is. that deity. has an equal. male-female. counterpart. She is mentioned. And she is powerful. That's problematic. That's a problem. >> Yep. The second part.

is aliens. In. in that book? How do What do they say about the. aliens? How are they described? I am the goddess and I do battle for the. sons of Dod, Dan, sons of Dan. I'm. trying to pull it up from my head. You will leave this place for I do. battle for the sons of Dan." And they. they kept marching. And then she calls down a silver beast.

with wings like a bird that spat. lightning bolts into the water. And the. horses of the chariots died. And the men. shook as with palsy and died because. they entered the shadows of the water. But we in the other part of the Book of. the Wars of the Lord, and in one of the. encrypted messages, this name keeps turning up. The angel K. The angel K. I'm not familiar with that.

Well, in one of the encrypted messages, it says, "I saw the lights again. The right one descended upon my winter. lodge, and there stood the likeness of. Amon.". Not a man. This is in scripto continua, but it's A. M O N. I kept trying to make it an A, but Janet. said, "It's a freaking O.".

And it's an O. Amon. He spake into Oh, I saw. I saw around him. a around his eyes a light blue color. He spake into me in the tongue of the. people. He said, "Can you understand me?". I said, "Yay, but. you that's not my native tongue.". So, we switched. Telepathy?

Wow. And so, he sends him on a mission. Now, remember I told you about the. letter where they got to get the stuff. out of there? >> Yep. They took it to Montreal. Hence the stone we found. And lots of messages that tell us that's. what they did. But on the way up through. the Adirondacks, they diverted. And they buried the Book of the Wars of. the Lord in a different place. That was in 16 something.

This message I just gave you was in. 1898. And of course, I thought the runestone. was going to show up. >> Right. Right. Of course. Well, it had. nothing to do with the runestone. But that's what it says. And what the Angel K told the scribe at. the time, who was updating the Templar. records. And he finished that job in 1908. That's. what the That's what all this is. It's the last update.

He said, "Get the Book of the Wars of. the Lord." And he sent him on the. mission to go get it. And he got it. And he gave it to the Angel K, who said. the book is no longer amongst the world. of men. Which begs the question, why did the. aliens take take it back? Because in 1898, was the world ready for. a dual-gendered god religion? >> No. Was the world ready for aliens? >> Nope. If you Google right now,

Book of the Wars of the Lord, I just. told you what it said. There is no. extant copy. We have two parts. And this is what's in it. And that's why they took it back. So of course, that freaked me out. Yeah. When I cuz I'm a science guy, right? And. I'm not saying. Well, I've been dealing with this for. several years now, cuz I was approached. by the government. I. You You heard about that, right? >> No. [clears throat] You were approached. by the government? >> Yeah. To do what? Help with disclosure. Oh, don't take.

that. Don't take that gig. After this, I'll tell you the story. >> Okay. Did not end well. I'm glad. I would don't take that gig. Yeah. In any case, But even as a scientist, a. silver beast. and a thing is shooting fire, it could. only be one thing. I the first time I I I gave a lecture. and I talked about it. This about 3 years ago. Almost 3 years ago now. I I'm with a group of people that are.

open-minded. And I said, "People, help. me. This is not This is not my jam, okay? This isn't what I do.". What and they're all laughing. Scott, It's right there. >> [laughter]. >> It's right there. Look, I I I. Yes, it it took me a while to go there. because I did not see this stuff that. I've been working on with Don since I. met him in 2006. That reluctance is. important to us though, that you don't. just jump on the next theory.

Well, I I'm I've jumped now. >> I know. Because I have no choice. Cuz I. can't interpret it any other way. But, there's more, okay? There's more. Okay, so. Now, let's go forward. At one [clears throat] point, we went. to that place. to look for the scroll before we got the. message that told us that it was gone. But, there was some stuff there. We. found a. cool little treasure of coins and. crosses and that's a whole 'nother.

story. >> Templar treasure? Yep. Okay. Yep. You. have that? We do. And can you show the world that or no? Yeah. Okay. That We were going to reveal. it in the book, but you know, we'll do. that maybe another time. >> Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's cool stuff. Really cool stuff. Tim just goes, >> [snorts]. >> that I didn't even know that one cross. with the symbols on it. He goes, "Yeah, he said that's my signature.". And I looked at his signature, sure. enough it was there. Yeah, Tim knows. everything about this. So, um and we were walking out.

and Janet and I and and Don were walking. out of the woods and it's it's kind kind. rugged back there. There're nothing out there. No houses, no roads, way the. And [clears throat] uh. I said to Don, "Is there anyone left? Any more of your colleagues?". "Well, McMasters is living, but he and. Bill didn't get along. He wouldn't give. him anything.". And he sat there for a minute and he. goes,

"Bill had a girlfriend.". Oh. As it turns out, she died 2 years. previous, but she gave everything to her. cousin, who goes simply by the name Roberta. She. doesn't want her using her name. Don found her about 4 months later. And that that's a cool story. And she had a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff. What did she have and. what Including this message. Okay,

that's wild. What is this? Well, that's. a key. That's C O Y. That was done around circa 1908. What do you see? Well, first thing that jumps out is is. veritas vos liberat. The truth shall set. you set you free. Is that what that is? Uh You got it. >> Is that Theban? Uh. What else do you see? See that cross?

Right there? Yep. That's one of the crosses. We found one. exactly like that. That's the five five wounds of Christ. cross, but it has a totally different. meaning in Templarism. And and Tim will tell you that. What. does it mean? In Templarism? >> [snorts]. >> Um I'm going to let Tim tell you. Okay. Some things I think um. are are for him to Now, this is a. strange freaking alphabet. >> Yes.

But we have a key right here. And then on the back we have a a. message. But that's not what's. important. Did you ever see the movie. National Treasure? >> Sure. Do you remember what they used to do to. bring out the secret message on the back. of the Declaration of Independence? And. they use heat or light. They used lemon juice. >> Lemon juice. >> And heat. Remember when the message. would come and then it would cool down. and disappear? >> Yep. You know what else works? What? Black light will do that also?

That We We learned this in the Boy. Scouts with the lemon juice. I I You have to read. I can't be the one. to read that. That's That's. unbelievable. The Yeshua Scroll. is not at our lodge. Now, remember. on the letter in 1656, the documents. that they still had to get out of there? One of the things that's mentioned is.

eight Yeshua Scrolls. Eight Yeshua Scrolls. Okay. >> We have another message. where the angel K. says to C L Y, the guy that did this. work, who went and got the Book of the. Wars of the Lord. He said, "Take the Yeshua Scrolls. Pick one, burn the rest. I do so. All go with the Sulpicians.

Montreal was settled by the Sulpicians, which is a branch of the order that came. from Saint Sulpice in Paris, France, which is just a few blocks down the. street from Notre Dame Cathedral, which. is. about two blocks away from that plaque. that Tim told you about where Jacques de. Molay was not burned at the stake, roasted. He was roasted at the stake? >> roasted. So, he would suffer more. Right.

So, So, Montreal is a Templar city. Hell yeah. Okay. >> [laughter]. >> That's a great story, too. The Yeshua Scroll is not at our lodge. We went back to the old land and laid it. in the dirt where the bear eats the. moon. It is a right bite. Talico. Talico was Seal Wise's indigenous name. He was married to an indigenous woman.

This is late 1800s, early 1900s. What the hell's he talking about? I. don't know. I do. >> [laughter]. >> Do you Is that Is he giving indication. where that scroll is? Yes. So, there's. one scroll. Why burn the rest? Okay. >> I was upset when I read that. When I. That's That's in a different document, but I was extremely upset when that. happened. So, that takes us all the way to.

Roberta gave us a bunch of five six. encrypted messages. One was invisible. Um but the rest were coded. Everyone is. different. That's the thing about these. encrypted mess Everyone's different. Some will have a different cipher. phrase. Um they use different alphabets, you. know, some are in Theban. I mean, it's. And just cuz you get one doesn't mean. you're going to get the rest. They're. all different. And but we've done so many of these and. of course Don has a lot of experience. Um. we've been able to figure them out. So,

You've been able to figure out the. cipher phrases? >> Yes. Yeah, and we're going to do one. We're going to do one, okay? So, flash forward now. to last June. I'm at the Cosmic Summit. speaking, literally giving a lecture. Don calls me, but I was speaking, so I. had my phone off. I didn't know. I get. off the stage. Oh, Don. I get a loan. I go, "Don, MCMASTERS DIED.".

>> [laughter]. >> WHAT? I THOUGHT I THOUGHT HE AND BILL DIDN'T. GET ALONG. WELL, APPARENTLY they got. along. And. in July, he drove down to New Jersey to. meet with the executor of his estate, and he gave him two things. This. Wow. This. So, McMasters was holding out. Roberta didn't have everything. What do you see? I see. characters and then. Roman date.

And you see what at the bottom? That's C L Y Sigla. Oh, okay. And that's. a pseudonym, by the way. Cleophas. Licinius Jarbeau. But every scribe throughout the. tradition took on the same name because. what they're doing is updating the. Templar records and their treasure maps. Gee, if you're the scribe for the. Templars and you're. doing their treasure maps, do you think. maybe some people might want to talk to. you? >> Yeah, I'd have to use a different name.

Use a different name. But they used the. same name throughout time. But shouldn't. the Templars want. >> Shouldn't Templars want to copy this. again. and pass this down? Isn't that part of. the This is the last time. >> it? This was the last It says in another. message, this is the last time. Last done in 1908. And that's when this. guy was around and that's everything the. papers all seem to fit. Although this. stuff is more modern and you'll see why. in a sec. >> Why would it be the last time? Is the.

mission complete? You want me to be totally honest? >> Yes. I think that they knew what was. coming. They understood procession. They knew. was going to hit the fan. It's all. happening at once. >> It's all happening right now. >> It's happening right now. And I I you. know, I don't want to get too over the. top. But this is a big deal. What's happening right now in the world. Everything that's happening. It's like.

it's everything's spinning backwards. But as we talked about, you know, after the storm. comes the light. If you get through the storm. Right. So, what you and I are doing right now, and. what Tim is doing, and a lot of our. other people. that are. of like mind. and like. goals, right? And when I say to people.

is. I want to make the world a better place. And I've been saying this for a long. time. Not just for you and me, but our. children and our grandchildren and the. ones we'll never meet. We've had a wonderful upbringing. This. is an amazing world. It's a beautiful. world. And people are wonderful. You're. a great dude, man. I'm having a ball. >> Me, too. But I want my kids to experience that. I. want my grandkids. So, we got to get.

the job done here. Right now, it's. I agree. I worry about what my son's. kids are going to live through. Yeah. I. mean, it's time for us to raise our. swords and go to battle. I agree. And. this is our sword right here. So, here's what this one says. In Theban, >> [clears throat]. >> due to increasing storms, the order. thinks the scroll is not safe now. We move to the mainland.

Trees cut, stumps remain, moss covered. And. Roman numerals 1933. Now, Sherlock here initially thought. increasing storms meant weather. I've been to where this place is, obviously. And I thought, "Gee, that'd take a lot. of rain for the water to go up." And. then all of a sudden, and Jerry Lokken. said, uh, "Scott, I think it's a.

metaphor." And I'm like, "Oh, shit.". Hello. Events leading up to World War II. >> Sure. The Nazis. So, move from where? Where Where were these artifacts? >> On an island. Were they Is it Oak Island? >> In No. >> No. In a lake in the Adirondacks. >> Okay. Way the hell. there to this day. No roads, no cabins, no houses, no nothing. >> [cough]. >> So, [clears throat]. in 1934, there was supposed to be a. meeting of all the extant Templar orders.

that still existed in Europe. And it was called the Council of Fiduci. And what they were going to do is figure. out what they were going to do with the. secrets that they were holding. Now, Tim may have told you this, but. the Nazis were not just rounding up Jews. and gays. and people they didn't like. They were. also rounding up Freemasons. Because in Freemasonry, as you go. through, you're being vetted. And you.

might be invited to other orders. depending on certain things. I know that. because it's happened to me. So, if you. round up all of the Freemasons, you're. going to get Templars, too. And they probably would be interrogated. and tortured and give up information. >> Yeah, Hitler wanted all this stuff. >> He wanted all of it. And you know that. he was fascinated with the Templars, with the Grail, but he was interested in. what they knew. One of those things was technology, like. the Bell Project, anti-gravity. Die.

Glocke, yes. >> He got that from the Templars. That's a. temp- from the Templars. >> It's a Templar secret. Yeah, that. supposedly comes from Vamanas back in. ancient times. Could be Atlantean. technology. I would put my money there. Yeah. Definitely. So, the council never happened. So, a. lot of those orders that survived. fled to the United States. and hid their stuff over here. Including the Yeshua scroll.

Now, the next part says. Captain Marchand. repackages and reburies the scroll. And then he says some more stuff. I. forget now. 1953. 50 Okay. C L Y. the 23rd. So, this This is This isn't a family. thing. This is whoever the document.

reproducer was is a tradition that was. passed on. And. the Cistercians and the Templars had. scriptoriums in their monasteries. And. they had They had brothers all they did. was copy and recopy manuscripts. So, this is not This is expected. This isn't. Wow, that's cool. This is expected. So, on the back though. is another invisible message. >> There is? Yeah. Where's your Where's your light? Oh, there it is. There is.

Can you read it? I know it's hard to. read, but. Captain Marchand dies 1903 exact. >> 73. >> 73 exact location of scroll lost to us. Yes. With a hooked X. >> With a hooked X. There's the hooked X. again. >> So, I read this Oh, no. >> and I'm like. I'm not wasting my time on this. But, I think what happened is if. a bad guy. got a hold of this. And clearly they. were worried because they moved the. scroll, right? Maybe some Nazi spies.

were coming over. Well, since they mentioned Captain. Marchand, we'd like to have a talk with. him. Oh, he's dead. Can't talk to him. Scroll's gone. And maybe we should talk. to the Oh, we don't know where it is. It. almost turned me off to go look for the. scroll. So, that's a red herring. It's a false flag. [laughter]. >> flag. >> Exactly. It's a red herring. And it almost worked on me. But, I I. don't want to be an older man and go, I. wish I would have gone.

>> No. So, we went. And McMaster's estate gave Don something. else. This map. That map. We'll put these on the screen for. everybody, but looks like two islands. Mhm. So, they moved them. from these islands. >> Yep. to the mainland.

Now, you see those four dots? I do. >> Those are giant glacial boulders that. are as. taller than this table. >> So, you found this place. >> [laughter]. >> Been there. Okay. Yes. We took a. floatplane in. Because there's no roads there. And so, we rented a floatplane. We flew. in and this guy brings fishermen in. It. says scroll. there. >> [gasps]. >> Is that buried? Is that the scroll? That's the scroll.

So, if you go back to the That's a whole. 'nother thing that has to do with the. skull, but we digress. >> Okay. So, right here it says 320°, 138 ft. and from this right boulder, it says 138. ft with what kind of looks like that. So, we go there. and I pull out my compass. And those. four glacial boulders are sitting right. on the edge of the shore. I stand in front of the one.

I set my compass to 320°. Paced off 138 ft. Got the metal detector out. Ding ding. ding. You're kidding me. >> it up. It's a little aluminum vessel for. camping, cooking when you're camping. >> Garbage. But you know, when you have your. compass, you could be off by a couple. degrees. And even at 30 138 ft, you. could be off by tens of feet. >> Sure. So we just went in arc, moved up a.

little bit, kind of on the top of this. little hill. Ding ding ding, got another hit. 1950s era Coke can. Are you kidding me? Moved over a little bit more. Ding ding ding ding ding. The first thing I pulled out was a 10-in. long aluminum nail. And I'm like, this isn't trash. Mhm. Maybe somebody dropped it. Or maybe not. Ding ding ding ding, it's still.

banging. And now we're right up against. a stump that had been cut, covered with. moss, and it was old cuz I could just. tear it apart with my hands. So [snorts] I started digging. Did you. connect this with the message at this. point, the moss-covered stumps? Well, of. course. Yeah, hell yeah. >> When were you up there? Uh August. So. this just happened? >> This just happened. [laughter]. So. I'm digging, and. my friends kept. you know, dinging like this.

And. all of a sudden, I reach in. under literally going under the stump, and I pull this out. And I'm standing here like this, and. there was a. there was a metal can on top. And I'm like, no way. But my heart was saying wait. Mhm. And it was filled with sand. Inside the. jar? In the jar, totally filled with. sand, but I could see I was moving it.

like this and I was I could see little. black things in there. They looked like coins. The top, when you took the tin top off. or the metal top off, this. was covered in wax, sealed with wax. And then, okay. Cuz it was paper inside. >> Sure. And so I took that aluminum nail. and I I knocked off. and then I poured.

the sand. and what I thought were coins. and this long scroll, which was wrapped. in this beautiful orange designer. placemat. that had a little design on it and a. signature. We tracked it down. It was a designer napkin made by an. artist in the East Coast that did. beautiful work. We found that exact same. uh placemat was made between 1950 and.

1957. 1953. Right. This. prune juice jar. was made by a company that started. making these in the 1940s. That works. >> Yep. The paper. we're about to show you was. 1880s from Wausau, Wisconsin. Everything fit. So, we unwrap. the paper. Carefully. And the first.

thing we get. is this. Now, these are copies. Yeah. This is. This is wild. This is Italian. Yeah. That was the first thing we saw. It's 20 20 So, I can translate this. And. it says It says the power. The power of the glorious God is within. us and with. and with other people. Both of us are saying that. Basically, what it's saying is that the.

power of God is within all of us. And. surrounds you and other people. The way. I look at that. You know you go to concert. and you're vibing Yeah, the energy. And. the energy or you have a really good. conversation with somebody that you just. hit it off with, right? That's that energy that they're talking. about here. >> Yeah, that's a real thing. It's a real. thing. And everybody can identify when. they have a magic moment with other.

people, right? You know, this makes me think of. Gnosticism as well. Exactly. >> of God is within you. So, what's below. there? This is. some type of formula? Yeah. I don't recognize it. >> I don't recognize it either, but other. people do and basically it has to do. with quantum physics. What? Do you know more about that? Yeah, but. um. I think we want to get to the best part.

>> Yeah, we do. >> This is a whole 'nother deal. Yeah. This. collective is crazy. So, then we opened it up and we got six. pages. So, these are three. >> with stuff on each side. These came out. of the green jar? Are these actual size? Actual size. So, just grids of characters and. numbers. I think you said this is scriptio. continua, meaning just one long line of.

text. >> There's some areas that give us a little. bit of help, but it's basically scriptio. continua. So, the cryptography nerds. will know what that is and this the. cipher phrase would be a visionary. cipher. I just I want you to hold this. piece right here. Okay? Yep. Because after we found this, of course, the first thing we do is. drive right down to Don. Don had gotten in a car accident at the. end of May and broke his shoulder and he.

was messed up. He couldn't go with us. So, the first thing I did was I made. copies of this and I gave it to him and. then we went to the hotel and we started. deciphering. We didn't leave the hotel for 2 days. How did you know how to decipher this? >> It took It took time. I bet. Okay. So, >> this is on a last will and testament? Yeah. Isn't that weird? >> That's weird. >> I don't know what that is, but that's. what it says. >> Everything means something to me. Yes. And well, as it should. Okay. So, the.

first eight lines. There's that number again. Mhm. How many columns are there? 3 6 9 12 15. 17 Yeah. So, here's what that And this is just. one-to-one letter substitution. This one. was easy. I did this one in. 45 minutes. This is what it says. The 325-year. compilation of new of old and new.

writings is not the infallible word of. God, but the fallible compilation of the. Roman Catholic Church to support their. doctrine. Oh my goodness. That is the most succinct. and perfect way to sum up the Council of. Nicaea. Yeah, it is. It's beautiful. That's. We got that right away.

And so, you know what we did then? What? Tighten the seat belts. Yeah, that's. That's heavy. Mhm. The next part, which is six lines of. strange characters. >> Yes. Okay. That alphabet we've seen. before, but this was slightly modified. Same characters with additions, but we. recognize it, we were able to figure it. out. Says this, translated from the original Aramaic by.

brother Simon. for the. the poor knights of Christ. The Templars. That's what they used to be called. before they were called the Templars. >> Yeah. Now, I got all hung up on. the the poor knights of Christ. The two. that What the hell's the the? Right. What is that? Well, guess who figured it out. Janet, probably. Don. >> [laughter]. >> Usually it's the goddess, right? >> It usually is. It was Don. He goes,

"It's a tell." And then I went, "Oh my. god.". The first the is telling you. the rest is the cipher. Holy. >> knights of Christ is the cipher phrase. >> cipher phrase. Hollywood's going to want a word with. you. Guess how many letters are in that. cipher phrase. >> How many? How many bones in your skull. again? What What did we say? 20? 22. >> 22.

None of this is coincidence. >> No, it's not. The next part, which is uh in numbers. Right. Encrypted by brother Leonidas. for the order of the Grail. 1897. >> [laughter]. >> So, let me tell you one thing we did not. talk about on the Kensington Runestone. Remember I talked about the codes? I. told you about the dating code. I didn't. tell you about the Grail code. No.

The first four letters, remember I did. that microscopic work and I put them in. the folder? >> Yes, the unknown mystery runes are The. first thing was the number eight. The very next thing is the word G in. Gotlander. And there's an extra dot in the upper. right arm that doesn't belong there. Went in the folder. The next letter singled out was the word. was the letter R that had a dot right. through the lower right leg. You can't.

miss it. Doesn't belong there. Put it in the folder. The next thing was a hooked X that had. another hook. Normally the hooked X has a little hook. in the upper right arm. >> Yes. This one had a hook on the lower. left leg. Put it in the folder. By the way, the hooked X is being used. on the Kensington Runestone for the. letter A. And it looks remarkably. like the Hebrew uh stone straight line.

stonemason's version of the Hebrew. aleph. The letter A. Which is the first. letter in the Hebrew alphabet. It's. being used for the letter A within the. Kensington inscription. So, we've got G. R A in the folder. Remember that funny L? >> [laughter]. >> Oh, no. You're kidding me. Well, there's. another one. Okay. That has the one I talked about which is. the dating code. in. Esclar, [snorts]. Sinclair. Yep. That That goes all the way across on.

both of the vertical lines, but there's. another one just before that, an L that. has a little mark on one side. Put that in the folder. What do we have? G R A L. Which in medieval Old Swedish. is Grail. That Grail. Could this be the same. order? It It has to be. It's too many things. that line up. I'm liking it. Yeah. >> And you know what? I'm going with it. I. think you have to. It's everything just.

lines up. >> This This is too much. Okay, let's Okay, now we're going to get into the meat. and then we're going to get. to the finale. So, the rest of this is numbers that go on. for that page, the next page on the. other side, Right. this page and that page all the way. to here. Why do we have spaces here? Do those. mean something? Well, um just in the. beginning. And I think maybe they were.

trying to help. I don't know. Okay. But. it goes all the way to here. Okay? But I. don't want you to see this yet. >> Okay. And I'm just going to read it. MF. MF. That's what it says. MF. equals MG. Okay. You can do it. MF equals MG. It's.

It's an acronym. Male female? Close. My. father. My father. My My goddess? Oh, my god My father my god or goddess. We You know what? I Why Why couldn't it. be the goddess? We assumed. See, this is. what you got to be careful of is. assuming. You just said goddess, but we. said my god. Let's see Okay, let's keep going. So, MF.

my father equals MG. So, it's either my. god or my goddess. Father, Genesis chapter 1. Let us make. man in our own image. Genesis chapter 1 plus 3 5 16. Let us make man in our image. In the. image of God made he him. To make more, he needed a female, so Eve. They made Cain and Abel. Cain slew [snorts] Abel and MF.

put his mark on him. I H N. What's I H N? In his name. >> In his name, right. >> we think. And banished him to Nod, so none there. would kill him. But if Adam, Eve, Cain are the only. people, who is in Nod? Right. [laughter]. >> [gasps]. >> Hello? How can they be the first people if they.

got banished to a city that's got. people? Know this. Then they were not the first people, but the first Jews. Chapter 6 5 two Chapter 6 5 2. It says. it twice. I don't know why. And the sons of MF saw the daughters of. men and found them pleasing in their. sight and came and knew them.

And they settled in the land of Nod, where Cain was sent. So their children. enjoyed life for its pleasures, both. male, female, male, male, and female, female. Oh my. This does not procreate. or honor MF, so he destroyed them all.

But flood nor fire succeeded. Thus, the sons and daughters of natural. man filled the earth. Yet nowhere did they mate with a Jew. till Lisbeth. So let's back up. >> [snorts]. >> I take this as homosexuality's okay. >> That's That's what I read. I've always thought that. None of my goddamn business what happens.

in people's bedrooms. That's right. >> [laughter]. >> But, this is a problem. Well, or is it? It's not for me, but it's a problem for. the church. Well, they might have to rethink that. Good luck with that. Yeah. Well, gets better. Till Elizabeth, who I think is the referring to the. mother of John.

the Baptist. >> Yep. This does not procreate uh the sons and. daughters natural men filled the earth. Nowhere did they mate with a Jew. till Elizabeth. Who's they? Who's they? Seeing it work in 6 weeks, showing signs of being pregnant. >> Right. The angel Anton came and knew my mother.

What's happening here? >> What is going on here? You tell me. You tell me. >> No, you tell me. >> The angel Anton. Knew my mother. Who's talking? Holy is this an autobiography? Is. this Yeshua's autobiography in the first. person? Well, if you're not sure now, you're. going to be. Oh, okay. I I watch my language.

No. You can say whatever you want. It's your. show. >> [laughter]. >> But, Jan and I chose MF. Then know this, Adam and Eve could read. or write. Thus, the tree of life was not. a tree, but a book that spoke. The fruit chapters numbered 1 2 3, etc. So, MF looked like man except for.

intelligence, hence the book to store it. all. MF and his wife Asherah, called wisdom, who is referred to as. wisdom in the Book of the Wars of the. Lord, who calls down the silver beast. Her name was wisdom. She's right here. again. Rebuked his brother for having led Eve. to open the book and sent him out of.

Earth to Arcturus. To Arcturus, the star. >> [laughter]. >> What is Yeshua on about? >> saying, man. I'm not saying, I'm just. saying. Okay. >> This is what it says. And I can say this, we got this right. This isn't some. screw-up. And when this is published, and I'm going to publish this, you can decide for it for yourself. If. you need help, I'll help you.

It's not easy. It's freaking hard. But this is what it says. But he returns when called for many. follow him here. What of the serpent? Natural female mated with my uncle and. got the creature with legs that crawled. from the waters and over time came to be. natural man, strong and large of. stature, worshipping its ancestor. This. is Jesus talking about evolution.

A fork in the road became the snake. Another natural man and woman. So, if. you follow me, whether you turn right or left, you will. hear a voice behind you saying, "This is the way, walk in it.". That's what it says. There's a lot to unpack there.

>> There is. And I don't think we're going to do all. that today. No. But, I want you to look at something. Yeah. This is the end of right here. Okay. See the numbers? >> Yes. There's something in English right here, the last line. What does it say? As I am allowed to. say. Boom! Nobody gets it that fast. Good job. Okay.

Is that Is that Yeshua saying that? And And Who would not permit him to say? Okay. Well, we'll answer that question right now. Another notch. This is going to get real now, brother. >> Okay. So, this is the message. Okay. So, now look at that page. >> Yep. and turn it horiz- uh long way, yep. Now, you see these letters?

I do. >> of these are on that page? How many letters? No, rows of letters or. lines of letters. Six. >> No, no. This is one, two, three, four, >> Four. five, six. >> Six. Okay. Now, flip it over. and count the lines. Six plus. Six plus Just go right down. 17?

Plus six. No, it's 22. I I didn't count the blank line. No, you don't count the blank line. >> the blank line. It's 22. 22 Okay, so. remember the cipher phrase? >> Yeah. Okay, so what you do is this. You set up. a grid system, which I did. I did this. part. And you just put power of God or the. poor knights of Christ. The power of God. is within you is another one from other. messages. The poor knights of Christ. Then what you do is you start with the.

letter A. No way in that. No B in that. C, Christ. You take this first row of letters right. here. Yep. You go to the C and you put. it this way. These letters. that are horizontal, you put this way. Then you go to D and you go to E, the. and you pull the next line. You put that. under the E, the first E. The next line, if there's a You follow me? Go all the.

way through the alphabet. >> It's yes, it's shift cipher. Then all 22. lines fill in. And then you read it this way. That's how you do it. This is what that says. I not entirely human. Oh my goodness. That's what that says? I not entirely human. Oh my goodness.

Well, didn't he kind of allude to that. before? Yeah, he did. Haven't we been kind of prepped on this. with these freaking messages for the. last several years? >> Yeah. He's from Arcturus. You just. >> saying You're just reading the message. >> I'm just reading the message. I not entirely human. A rupture of the small intestines was.

not enough to kill me. I slowed my breath and was declared. dead. My cousin of my father's side. had me rest in the family tomb. Boom! Until Easter, I I guess. Talpiot. Talpiot, the family tomb. Oh. And is the rupture of the intestine the. spear of destiny? Got to be. On the. cross. And you know, it's right there.

The intestines come way up. So, he. didn't die on the cross. He slowed his. breath. Remember, he's not entirely human. That's what he said. I'm not saying He. He said it. I'm not going to argue with. him. I'm not. I'm not. >> [laughter]. >> sure. Now that I know he's alien, I'm. not I'm for sure not arguing with him. >> [gasps]. >> My cousin of my father's Earth father's. side had me rest in the Earth's. father's. So, okay.

Had me rest in the family in his family. tomb. I healed myself and my wife came. and freed me. Mary Magdalene. Who's there? >> She was there. >> When he leaves the tomb? >> At the resurrection, yeah. We traveled to the north and preached a. joint religion of male and female.

You know where the north is? Where? Scotland. That's where they preached. Went to. France first and then to Scotland, beyond Hadrian's Wall to the Isle of. Iona. And there are local legends All kinds of. them. talking about Jesus being. >> Um yeah. [clears throat]. We bore two children. Judah and Sarah. We know their names.

Returned to Jerusalem. And finally, I ascended to my father. My body returned to my cousin's family. tomb. I was doing a happy dance when I read. that. >> I know. My spirit will return at the end of the. sixth day, June 6th by the new counting, 2,999.

at 6:00 p.m. So said my father. But beware, 6 6 26. at 6:00 p.m. This June? He. could I'm just reading it. That's my interpretation. Well, Council. of Nicaea would have rearranged the.

calendar by now. By when this was written, yes. So, he he. would know those dates. Would he? 6 6 June 6th of. this year. Now you know why I said to you earlier. there's an urgency here. >> Yeah. And the other three years, is that. Hebrew year? By the new counting. I I interpret that. to be. They renumber the. >> 900 years from now.

Okay. 9 2,999. at 6:00 p.m. Also, be not fooled by the false. prophet, spelled p r o f i t. We checked it. And his clone who will rise on the third. day after his death. Clone? Clone. Should know what that word even is.

I know we're just reading it. Know this, in the beginning was the word. and that word was God. There was none. before him, there was none after him. The word is eternal. And that concludes the scroll. That's. it. What do you think this means for us? I think it's talking about right now.

And I think 6 6 26 is right now. The question is, look. I mean, this is incredible, okay? Because what's happening? It's It's like. this backwards spinning is spinning. faster and faster every day, literally. every day. And what is the date? It's almost March. 1st. March, April, May. June. That's a little over 3 months from now.

And what does he think is going to. happen? I can't You can't He says is beware, but. beware. But you can't help but connect. that to 666 even. Well, here's something that's. interesting. What's 6 + 6? 12. Plus 6 p.m. 18. Mhm. Plus 6. Back to 24 again. Plus 2. 26. Divide by 2. Then 13 again.

So the sacred geometry shows up in this. as well. I mean, I'm at a loss. So if this I I I. mean, I'm just blown away by this and I. I just think this is why I want to get. this out. So, if this is real, his. descendants walk among us now? Remember when I told you I was contacted. about disclosure? Yeah.

Just in a nutshell, this guy called me. and. told me that. he was with the government and um the. DOD. with NAISIC, the National Air and Space. Investigative Center. Well, that that. intelligence center. Intelligence center. Is that right? Okay. Yeah, their logo is. a sphinx with a with a with a star. I. think that's right, yeah. This is about 6 7 8 years ago.

Anyway, he said and I said, "Why are you. calling me?" And he said, "Well, you. know, you have a platform and you seem. to be credible and you know, blah blah. blah." And I. said, "Well, how do I know you are who. you say you are?". So, we went through that process and he. actually came. and stayed with us. three times. And then once he convinced me that he. was who he said he was, at least in my. mind, then I was. given materials to read and online stuff.

and. talking points to say? Yeah, we went. through and came up with talking points. And. but as this was happening, there was other stuff happening. Um. like the 20th anniversary of working at. the Pentagon after 9/11. And the guy that I worked with, who was. in charge of the whole thing, Alan. Kilsheimer, was having a 20-year gathering of.

everybody that worked at the Pentagon. And I was invited and I was getting. ready to go. And as we got closer and closer, our friend, who went by the name of Holden, which I. knew was not his real name, and that's. fine. I. didn't really care. Um. he and I were getting to know each. other. And we would talk about things. And he would told me about his personal. life, like him being. being recruited out basically right out. of high school, cuz he was smart guy.

And um he started off with the. government doing boots on the ground. stuff, going after human traffickers is what he. told me. And then when he was about 30, as I. recall, he said that he was in one. mission. and they were going after a bunch of. kids, and one of the guys that was. holding them. had a a bomb and blew himself up. And he. was on the other side of the wall, and. he got hurt bad. To the point where he could no longer do.

boots on the ground stuff that obviously. he was very proud of. And he enjoyed. So, they gave him a desk job. And this was his desk job. Um he had demons, and it was quite obvious. And actually, he and Jerry got into it. one time. Really? >> We had Jerry over for a dinner one time. And it got ugly. What happened? Well, what he was doing. was he was telling me that what I saw.

[clears throat] at the Pentagon and my. close friends that were first guy in the. building, a structural engineer that was one of my. best customers and one of my best. friends, Leo Titus, who went in the building before the. search and rescue and the. and the dogs went in to make sure the. building was safe so they wouldn't get. killed. >> Right. And I have all of his photos. And he tried to tell me it wasn't what. it was. And he pissed me off. And this is 3 weeks before the.

anniversary. Well, what was he saying it. was and what was it? >> Well, he was saying it was a missile. When. there are people that are no longer with. us. There were bodies that were found. blowing out of the building. Um pictures that Leo took. He was there. for 7 days. Once he was He was there 40. minutes after the impact. And we talked about it when we got. together at the reunion.

So, I almost. punched him out. Ask Janet. She'll tell you what. happened. So, we had a falling out. He was trying. to manipulate me. Yes, he was. And I said, "Fuck you." Good for you. Because I don't I don't trust this. disclosure narrative that's being pushed. on us now. >> Well, and that the last time I talked to him. was probably 3 years ago. So, this went. on for about 4 years. But that you know, that didn't turn me. off to the.

ET thing. And then all of a sudden, Ray. as he's going out the door, this comes. in the door. >> wild. Yeah. This has been my journey. This has been our journey. And um. Yeah, I mean I you know, the thing is is. that I um. I I I I don't you know, I there have. been days when I you know, I'll talk to. Janet and close friends and say, "What. the hell is going on? You know, what.

what is Why am Why me?". And um. I like to think that part of it is. because I. work my ass off. I never quit. And I want to solve the mystery. Absolutely. >> And get to the bottom cuz that's what I. do. I never thought I would go here. No, this is incredible. Is there. anything that we didn't cover today. that you want to get into? >> [sighs]. >> I don't know. I.

There's a lot more, but I I I think. I think it's time for a beer. How about. you? [laughter] I agree. So, uh the book is. The Greatest Tale Never Told? >> Greatest Templar Tale Never Told, the. Sinclair Weems Journals. And I just want. to say it's not It's not one of my magic. writing that people are buying this. book. It's the journals. They speak for. themselves. And when you read it, I. mean, the letters I've gotten back from. people, they blow through it in like 2. days. They're said, "I couldn't put it.

down. This is an amazing story. And the truth. of the matter is what all of this is. really about at the end of the day is. the true founding. of this country. And as a Freemason. and as a Knights Templar who knows the. truth, to see what's happening today. beyond disgusts me. And here we are, 250 years. We're. supposed to be celebrating.

this, but we got that. That's another reason why I'm working my. ass off. >> Yeah, we got to get through that. >> Yeah. Are you on the squad? I'm on. I've been on. >> [laughter]. >> And then one day we're going to do it. like this. One day, the grip. Scott. Wolter, thank you so much for coming in. Thank you for having me. Okay, that's a lot to process. Scott. Wolter took us on a journey that started. with concrete [music] forensics and. ended with ancient alien encounters. So,

let me break down what we can actually. verify here. Scott's credentials are solid. Licensed. professional geologist. He runs a. successful materials forensic. laboratory. He worked on the Pentagon. after 9/11, and this is all documented. The Las Vegas murder case he described, that happened. Tom Hanafin was a real. Las Vegas homicide detective and Scott's. [music] concrete dating techniques have. been used in multiple forensic. investigations. As for the big claims, the Kensington Runestone has been.

controversial since 1898. Scott's. geological weathering analysis published. in 2000 said [music] the way minerals. degrade is proof of age. But Swedish. archaeologists and runologists at. Uppsala University disputed [music]. these findings in 2004. The academic. consensus remains that it's a 19th. century creation. But it's hard to deny all the. connections that Scott talked about. Talpiot Tomb is real. It was discovered. in 1980 in Jerusalem. It contains. ossuaries with names including Jesus,

Mary, and James and others. And [music]. DNA testing was conducted by Carsten. Matthiesen at Lakehead University in. 2007. But as [music] critics note, there's no baseline Jesus DNA to compare. against, so it could be him, but we. don't know. Most biblical archaeologists. reject any connection to the historical. Jesus. Now, here's what I keep coming. back to though. >> [music]. >> Scott's progression is fascinating. Respected scientist finds anomalous. evidence, gets pushed back from. academia, digs deeper, finds more.

anomalous evidence, and keeps following. it where it leads. Now, whether you. believe his conclusions or not, the man. is following the [music] data as he sees. it. From concrete to runes to Templars. to alien contact. If this is a hoax, it's the greatest [music] hoax ever. conceived. There's so many details to. keep track of and somehow all the pieces. line up. But if this is not a hoax, then we're. [music] missing something fundamental. about the history of the human race. Now, if you want to dig deeper into some. of these topics, I covered Knights. Templar and their quest for Atlantis. I.

covered the Ark of the Covenant. technology. I also have an episode about. the megalithic yard that Scott. mentioned. There's links below. Scott Wolter, forensic geologist turned. cosmic historian. [music]. His new book is the greatest Templar. tale never told. And honestly, whether. it's fact or fiction, >> [music]. >> oh, it's a good story. Until next time, be safe, be kind, and know that you. [music] are appreciated. >> [bell].

[music]. >> Oh, oh, yeah. >> [music]. >> I played Polybius in Area 51. A secret. code inside the Bible said I [singing]. was. I love my [music] UFOs and paranormal. fun, as well as music. Some say I didn't. like I should. But then another [music] conspiracy.

theory becomes the truth, my friends, and it never [music] ends. No, it never ends. >> [music]. >> I fear the [music] crab got down and got. stuck inside Mel's hole with MK-Ultra. I. fear no evil. Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon. landing alone on a film [music] set? Or.

were the shadow people. there? The Roswell aliens just bought [music]. the smiling man, I'm told, and his name was Cold. I can't believe I'm dancing with the. >> [music]. >> fish heads on Thursday, next Wednesday, changing. with the wild wild world. >> [music]. >> up through the night. All I ever wanted was to.

>> [music]. >> just hear the truth. So, the wild wild. world up through the night. >> [music]. >> The [music] mothman sightings and the. solar storm still come to a god the. secret city underground.

>> [music]. >> Mysterious number stations, planets are. bold too. Project Stargate and what the. dark watchers found. >> [music]. >> We're in a simulation, don't you worry. though. The black mats had a lot of. those with me so. I can't believe [music]. I'm dancing with the. beasts. Hang up the shot the day nights [music]. with their changing and the wild balls. on the beat.

all through the night. All I ever wanted was to just hear. [music] the truth so the wild balls on. the beat. all through the night. Hang up [music] the shot the. day nights with their changing and the. wild balls on the beat. all through the [music] night. All I ever. wanted [music] was to just hear the. truth so the wild balls on the beat. all through the. night.

>> [music]. >> Gertie loves. >> [music]. >> to dance. on the dance floor. because she is a camel. and camels [music] love to. dance when the feeling is right or. wasting time. >> [music]. >> Gertie loves to dance.

Gertie loves to dance. Gertie loves to dance. >> [music]. [bell]. >> Hey.