The Basement: Hugh Newman | Giant Skeletons, Sumerian Myths, and Megaliths

Today I'm talking with Hugh Newman. He's. an author, explorer, and the founder of. the Megalithomania conference, which. just hit its 20th year. And Hugh doesn't. sit behind a desk and theorize. He goes. out to these sites and gets his hands. dirty. He co-discovered a winter. solstice alignment at Karahan Tepe, one. of the oldest engineered sites on Earth. We're talking 11,400 years old. And what. he's finding there pushes back the. timeline on everything we thought we. knew about early civilization. Yeah, pushes back the timeline again. I just. put they should just leave a blank page.

and say, "We'll get back to you." In. this conversation, we get into Göbekli. Tepe, underground cities, standardized. units of measure that shouldn't exist. yet, and a sneaky visit to some caves. under the Giza Plateau that are now. bricked up forever. He also made a case. that the Sphinx might not be a lion. It. might be a leopard. And he's got the. evidence to back it up. Oh, we also get. into everyone's favorite subject, giants. Yeah, everyone except the. Smithsonian. That's true, and we get. into that. This one covers a lot of. ground. And honestly, the math alone is.

worth the ride. Yes, math. Let's go down. to the basement. Hugh, welcome to the basement. Thanks. for having me on. I really appreciate. it. Now, how do you go to um creating. the conference, which is it's still. running, right? >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah, actually this is. our 20th anniversary. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so we like set out on a bit of a. celebration this year. So, this is the. Megalithomania conference. So, this is. what we've been doing since May 2006.

I founded this with John Martineau, who's also my publisher of the Wooden. Books, and Gareth Mills. Uh I pretty. much run it myself with it with my own. team now, and um. and it was really set up and it's quite. intriguing when you look at what's going. on online nowadays. It was set up as. a forum, like uh public forum to have. the alternative historical information. and researchers. with the academics all on the same. stage, but in a kind in a very kind way.

Right, connecting with each other. Not a. debunking debate. No, no, it was just. just a respectful way so we could have a. multi-disciplinary. look at megaliths, ancient sites, the. ancient mysteries. And and have it as an. open forum so that so and we could we we. now have top archaeologists, top. historians, and anthropologists coming. along next to people who are talking. about what they deem as fringe or. outrageous stuff. And it's actually. quite fun. And so they've actually they. kind of a lot of the academics know each. other. So, they one or two of them came.

along. They had such a good time. They. actually recommended it. So, it's easy. to get Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> It's a really cool academics to come. along. >> "How was that? Was he cool?" And they're. like, "No, it was great.". >> No, no, and they're very and there's no. we don't it's not like online, you know, the whole Flint Dibble, Graham Hancock. thing. There's all this big, nasty kind. of back and forth. And we just don't. have that. We're very very nice, very. polite, very respectful. And and it's. and it works brilliantly. And we we've. stuck to that focus every year for the. last 20 years. I'm glad you said. multi-discipline cuz what I like about.

your research is you bring in acoustic. engineers, electromagnetic research, all. that stuff. I I think that's missing in. archaeology. I think you're right. Yeah, this is this is one of the things that. kind of bothers me a little bit and a. lot of other researchers is that. archaeologists do brilliant work. Don't. get me wrong. You know, they are very. well trained in, you know, preserving, digging up, analyzing these sites, dating and everything else. But they. when it comes to things like astronomy, acoustics, or mythology, or symbolism,

even subtle energies and things like. this, it's not something they're they're. interested in or trained in. And I think. this is where the problem lies in. interpreting these sites and uh and and. having a voice about these sites because. you need to have this multi-disciplinary. look at them because these these people. back then, they had the same brain. capacity as us. They may have been. smarter than us. >> Sure. >> We don't know. And so, they were. obviously into lots of interesting. things. I mean, you just look at the. symbolism at sites like Göbekli Tepe. You just and the abstract art and.

creation of these sites is insane. It is. just wow. It's like these guys were just. like master. artists as well as being master. builders. And so, I think you really. need to approach it from all these. different angles. I'm not saying I'm a. specialist in all these different. things. But when you you know, you're. putting on a conference, it's great. You. can invite people to come and you can. actually share research. Like, "Would. you mind looking at this? I want you to. check this out." You know, and you can. present it and they can oh, that's. interesting. I didn't realize you know,

that astronomical alignment was there. That fits in with what I'm doing. And. so, I think yeah, I think it's really. important. But I think archaeology. nowadays, as you know, I've you know, with the other guests you've had on this. show, you need to approach it from all these. different angles. It really has to be. done. Why do you think there is. gatekeeping? I think it's just part of the paradigm. I think it's part of the nature of any. discipline like that. They want to keep. it within what they're doing. But one of. the things I I have learned, and this is.

a friend of mine actually comes to our. conference. She is actually in her 20s, and she's now doing a proper archaeology. degree, doing a proper course about it. And there's actually a thing that she. told me we we having lunch after an. event we were doing in in Avebury stone. circle of all places cuz there's a. there's a pub in the middle of Avebury. stone circle. And she was telling me now. they actually open and they want. information from. alternative people because a lot of the. discoveries being made, and this has. happened a lot over the last decade or.

so or more than, you know, several. decades. A lot of discoveries are being. made by non-academics, non-archaeologists. And so, how do you. address that in archaeology when the. archaeologists are supposed to be the. only ones making the discoveries and. talking about them? And she said now. there's an acceptance within that. And. so, that's just now though. >> That's new. That's now happening now. It's not it's not going to probably help. us with what we're doing at Göbekli Tepe. and Karahan Tepe cuz the archaeologists. have their own agenda. They want their. own kind of they want to be the the main.

voice on it. Um but now things are. appear to be changing. At least in. England, at least this one person I. spoke to about it. I just speaking of. gatekeeping, this reminds me. I just. covered um. Andrew Collins and Tomb of the Birds. Is. it true that you were down in that cave. system? Um yes. >> [laughter]. >> Were you not supposed to be? Not not. really. >> where you found that found a gate open? How what's that story? >> Okay, let me tell you this story. Yes, [laughter] it's it's one of the stories. we're going to get into. We've got a.

few, I'm sure. Um so, so this was back. in I think November, must be the year. before last. Um and. obviously Andrew had discovered the Tomb. of the Birds and also what became known. as Collins Caves as I who else named it. >> Wasn't he banned? For what? >> Kind of, yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah, but they're not. strict with that kind of thing. And um. this was back in 2008 when he first. discovered it. So, we went, you know, we. we were in in Egypt doing a tour there. We were kind of with our our group had. finished. Me and Andrew were hanging. about for a couple of days. And we just.

thought, you know what, let's go and. take a walk over there, you know. Problem is I was wearing my shorts and. like kind of, you know, tennis shoes or. whatever I was wearing at the time. Could have been flip-flops. And we thought we're going to have a. quick look. And and and and and there. was no lock on the gate. And we're like, "Oh. Oh, this is interesting." So, we thought. I would just pop in and take a look, you. know. And I was not prepared. Luckily I. had my Luckily I had my flashlight and. my camera with me. So, we managed to. >> deliberate for 1 minute should we go in? You just said. >> a lot because you can get, you know, you.

you get in serious trouble for that now. And so, yeah, we got in and at the front. part of it, the Tomb of the Birds area, is actually kind of carved out. There's. lots of little chambers. But then at the. back there's like a kind of hole in the. wall. And you walk through there and there's. this huge semi-created chamber, partly. carved out. And then it leads through. for about 1/4 of a mile through these. caves. And it's it's the most spooky, mind-blowing place I've ever been in in. my life, I think. It really kind of got. me. And Andrew had been in this since.

2008. So, he was over overjoyed. Um so, we did all that. We filmed it. We. got out. Um no one was around. No one. saw us, thank God. And then now they've. bricked it up. It's literally literally. the last few weeks. We we had reports. Andrew was over there. >> [cough]. >> Excuse me. Andrew was over there and. actually found it had been bricked up. So, you can't actually go back in there. now. But the reason I found that so. interesting cuz a few months later in. March of last year, they discovered a potentially older. stuff under the Giza Plateau, which.

interestingly the Tomb of the Birds and. Collins Caves or NC2 it's called, leads. to it. It's almost in that direction. towards the central pyramid. Is this the. research from the Italian group that So, it kind of correlates with what you. found? >> It does, weirdly, yeah. And that this is. what was so interesting. I mean, and. there's a lot more going on under the. Giza Plateau. I mean, there's there's I. mean, it's known about. You know, there's a lot of stuff known about under. the Giza Plateau. It's not just, you. know, what the Italians have discovered. There's. the Osiris Shaft. There's there's.

there's chambers underneath the Valley. Temple and the Sphinx Temple that Robert. Temple had been looking at. Um there's. the whole kind of Sphinx area obviously. under the paw of the Sphinx. >> That's right. >> And so, it was it was just to get under. there and have this experience of going. into these caves really blew my mind. It. was really got me. And um. and and now no one's ever going to be. able to go in there again. >> It's a shame. It is a shame. I mean, >> If you had to guess and date that those. caves, Well, the thing is, I mean, the. front part of it is all carved out. This.

is like created kind of tomb area. Yep. But then the back part is mostly. natural. And so, I don't even I think. very few people even in ancient times. knew about that. I think that was like a. very secret It's what Andrew writes. about. It's a very secret, maybe an. initiatory area where people would go. into, you know, some initiations or. rites of passage and things like this. We really don't know. And so, you know, there's something you know, something. odd going on there. And the fact that. they bricked it up. suggests they don't want anyone else.

going in there. So, there's a safety issue as well. It's. pretty dangerous cuz right at the end, you have to kind of if you want to go. any further, you have to kind of go down. this kind of almost it's called the. tube. And I I can't fit down there. Andrew couldn't fit down there. But a. small person could probably squeeze down. there. You might be able to get in. >> [laughter]. >> Next time. Too claustrophobic. I can't do it. And. then that leads further along. Um Does. this connect all the way to Caral. pyramids? Well, it It's in that. direction. That's interesting. >> Yeah, and some scans even There was. actually some similar SAR type scans.

done back in 2008. And it seems to. indicate that it does lead towards Caral. pyramids. And so, it could be connected. with that discovery that was made there. Has anyone done GPR in that area to. confirm? There have been some done. Yeah. Um I think more needs to be done. A lot more uh because there needs to be. verification of what was going on there. Because we have, you know, the the SAR. scan technology is very controversial. It's Filipa Biondi, Amanda May, and. uh other team members. And they found.

potentially outrageous depths of these. kind of cylindrical chambers going down. towards these giant square chambers and. other features. But. someone needs to go on that in an. official capacity with GPR technology. and just go round the Giza Plateau just. to verify you know, what what they've. discovered because they've had other. people using the similar technology and. finding the same things as them as well. That's come out recently. I think um Jim the birds came up cuz I.

was I was studying the Hawara labyrinth. And it It's once again, I don't know why. we're not prioritizing exploring these. places. They They seem to be the most. important discoveries on Earth. Yeah, I. think with Egypt it's like there's so. many sites. You could just when you you know, it's. overwhelming when you go there. I can't. It's hard to cope with and they're so. magnificent all of them pretty much. >> Yeah. So, I can understand why they're. kind of hesitant. Also, there's a lot. political stuff there. There's a lot of. kind of issues with permissions. It's.

all very There's lots of bureaucracy. But when it comes to getting under the. Giza Plateau, there's there's a lot of. water there. You can't go down that far. anyway. It'd be a huge amount of pumping. to get it out. Hawara, on the other. hand, is interesting, but it's all. collapsed. I mean, you can see like the. shape of some of the labyrinth when you. go there. But it's all collapsed. It's. all so much sand on top of it. And. flooded, I think. >> Flooded as well cuz you got you've got. the water level there as well. You've. got you've got canals that have been. carved right through it. And so, just to.

get down there again, it's huge pumping. situation, huge amount of money and. effort. Uh but there are teams now, independent. teams, looking at that connected with. the SAR scan people. A gentleman called. Trevor Grassi has been focused on that. as well. And so, you know, let's see. what happens. Let's see what happens cuz. I'm sure. it kind of has to be done. That's That's. the great thing about the internet. nowadays cuz you can like you put. pressure, you know, into like, you know, what should be looked at. Partly what. happened at Göbekli Tepe, which we're. going to get into. You know, and so that. So, that's another place that, you know,

that needs to be, you know, feels like. what Why are people going so slow? Why. [clears throat] are people kind of. digging down, getting on with it? But. there's always reasons why they can't do. everything immediately. Well, before we. go to Turkey, let's let's speculate for. just a second. Did the Egyptians build. the pyramids or did they find those? That's a good question. That's one of. the big big unknowns. I mean, you look. at the. the technology to create that. It's. outrageous. I mean, I I personally think. the people who built Göbekli Tepe. they who they were somehow connected.

with the people who built the pyramids. because Göbekli Tepe has got the same. kind of quality, the abstract. construction. absolutely superb quality of stone. working. And I think there's some. connection there cuz they found they. found connections between these two. areas going back to the time of Göbekli. Tepe. Now, whether they were built. official dates of what, 2 and 1/2. thousand, 2,600 BC? That's a whole other question. Cuz. you've got people like Professor Robert. Temple.

He's done some surface luminescence. dating on some of the stones of some of. the pyramids on the Giza Plateau. And actually found dates of at least a. few hundred years earlier. So, then that. discounts right those pharaohs who are. credited [clears throat] with doing it. So, then that raises more questions. Even if it's just a few hundred years, it disputes the whole thing. But. I think they could be much older. I. think actually the underground areas. are much older. And the pyramids may. have been added slightly.

later, you know, towards the official. dates. That's just my opinion. More research obviously is being done. out there, so. So, where do you where do. you stand on like on Robert Schoch's. research on the Sphinx and John Anthony. West? Yeah, I think that's really. interesting. Yeah, yeah. The the water. erosion around the kind of channels. around the kind of Sphinx pit, which is. really really interesting actually. Um. It looks like water to me. It does. It. does. And I think that. he was pushing for dates, you know, going back to the time of Göbekli Tepe,

like 11, 12,000 years ago at some point. Younger Dryas flood. Yeah, and there's. more but it was much more lush back. then. Mhm. The whole area. And so, you. can imagine. there was a lot more water. And also, there were there were channels like kind. of going all the way up to each of the. pyramids anyway. There was water right. there right next to it. So, I think it is quite plausible that it's. that old. And I think again, I think if. anything on the Giza Plateau connects. with Göbekli Tepe, it's probably the. Sphinx and what was going on underground. as well. Have I heard you speculate that.

the Sphinx is maybe a leopard and not a. lion? That's something I have speculated. about. >> What What Why would you think that? That's That's just very interesting. I. haven't heard that before. Yeah, because. Okay, you've got um. There's a few things. I mean, this is. This goes back to Karahan Tepe, okay? Because. which is 11,400 years old, Southeast. Turkey. It's one of the sister sites to. Göbekli Tepe. There's a lot of leopard. symbolism there. There's also. um. And it's the same era potentially as the.

Sphinx if we're looking at these old. dates cuz I know Graham Hancock and. others and Schoch and John Anthony West. they were saying that. the Sphinx faces the rising of the. equinox and Leo in 10,500 BC. >> Right. Cuz that's what That's what would. rise on the equinox. It's part of the. whole processional kind of cycle. And I. thought that was really intriguing. because at Karahan Tepe. they have leopard symbolism everywhere. Not lion. Leopard. You get it at Göbekli. Tepe. You get it at all the sites. It's. very strong symbol found there.

And we when we found our winter solstice. alignment. we also believe we possibly found an. equinox alignment as well. Cuz the the. head that we've been researching that. has the light get on the head and. illuminate it on the solstice of the. winter solstice actually faces east. looking towards. the rising of the equinox and Leo. So, we speculate that they could be a. leopard to the people of Taş Tepe or the. Karahan Tepe Göbekli Tepe people. Also,

if you go to Egypt, you look at the old. gods of Egypt like Thoth or Tehuti. Yep. Um his consort or wife, Seshat. She was, you know, an architect. She was supposed to be an. architect. She was also into metrology, measurements, and geometry, things like. this. And she was always wearing a leopard. skin outfit. And she She was the leopard lady almost. >> know that. >> Yeah, so you have this leopard. connection with ancient Egypt.

And possibly then, you know, so it was. quite strong back then. I mean, there's. other leopard symbolism and lion. symbolism back then obviously. But I So, there could be. Why does it have to be a lion? Why can't. it be a leopard? Why can't it could be. Anubis dog. This is what Robert Temple. suggests. So, I think there's. it's possible. But again, we've got no. clear evidence of that. It's just. speculation at the moment because it. somehow it's got this makes it connect. with Göbekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe. So, at Göbekli, um. can you just paint the picture for us?

1963 discovery, they think it's. gravestones, and then 1994 with Klaus. Schmidt. And. what was that like? Yeah, that's That's uh yeah, cuz so back. in the '60s, we have Peter Benedict and. there was a team of archaeologists doing. kind of surveys, sort of scans, walking. around the landscape. And they found. Göbekli Tepe. That's what's so strange. They found some stones lying around. They thought they were kind of. gravestones, Islamic gravestones, or. Byzantine kind of ruins. Didn't think.

anything of it. It wasn't until Klaus. Schmidt, German archaeologist, who was. doing work at a site called Nevalı Çori. And um also another site called. Gürcütepe, I think, as well. Um and and. a couple of other places. And he. noticed, because of his research at. Nevalı Çori, which we can get into. This. is I want to talk about. >> Sure. They found he found the symbolism. was the same. I said, this is probably. the same era. But when he looked at the. hill, he could see it was a huge. artificial hill, you know, like a mound. or tepe or höyük, you call it in other.

parts of Turkey. And realized there was. something significant going on there. And the family who owned the site had. found these two statues there and. actually presented them to the museum. And one of them was this very fertility. There's a guy with the erect phallus. And they were kind of embarrassed by it, you know, and they gave it to the. museum. The museum wouldn't take it. They had There was all this debate about. it. There was another sort of top of a. T-pillar kind of broken with a kind of. lizard coming off it in 3D relief. And. when he saw those in the museum, he.

said, "Who Where did these come from?". Found out where they came from. Got to the site in 1994 and eventually. thought, "Right, something's going on. here. We need to kind of get into this.". And And this is when they started the. excavation, I think, 1995. Why didn't. Why did he not publish or go public with. that for a few years? >> Yeah, it didn't it didn't come out till. the year 2000. Right. I I don't know. That I don't know. I think it would in. archaeological circles it was being. talked about. I think they just wanted. to make sure what they got was valid. It. took a lot of work to get even down to.

the first layers because it's so heavily. buried. That's the thing about these. sites. They're buried, properly buried. That's why they're so well preserved. >> Right. Why is only a small percentage of. Göbeklitepe been excavated all this. time? This that's another good point. I mean, when it comes to Göbeklitepe, it's a. huge site. We're talking multi-acre. site. It's massive. And so, it's very. deep. It's buried. So, there's a huge. amount of debris and rubble. And they. have to do it so carefully. I mean,

they've removed thousands of tons. already. That's the thing people don't. realize how much they've removed. I can show you a couple of it just so. people can get a sense of this. We can. have a look at a couple of images of. Göbeklitepe. While you're pulling that up, how do you. feel about the intentionally buried. theory? Was it? That's another good question. When it comes to Göbeklitepe, there was. what is known as. a slope slide occurred. So, you got the. enclosure there at the top of the the. image. That's enclosure D. Mhm. And all.

around that, after Göbeklitepe was. constructed in 9600 BC for about 1500. years, it started growing almost like a. settlement. And so, structures were. being built up up up on the hill just. above it. So, eventually they caved in. at some point and actually filled in. some of the larger enclosures. And then this was then later covered. over, rebuilt on, then covered over. again. And then when they eventually. decided to leave they covered the whole. site. And so, there is definitely. deliberate burial, but also some.

accidental accidental burial as well. These slope slides that happened. Were. they trying to preserve it? At the end. of it, yes. Yes. I mean, that's that's. that's the unusual thing because I think. there's. a bit of both. I think ideas changed. through this whole time frame, this 1500. year time frame. And they would. accidental burial. They they still. preserved it though. Even before they. buried it, they put artifacts, statues. in place. They re-erected and repaired. T-pillars, put everything back, and then. filled it in.

And so, it was like a strange but other. places like Karahan Tepe, they deliberately smashed up parts of it. and then buried it. Almost ritually. decommissioned it. >> Okay. So, you get that as well. You get. this broken element to it then it's. buried. And but but whereas certain. parts of Karahan Tepe are preserved. because that's what they wanted to make. sure people could see. And this is where. we get to the winter solstice we'll talk. about shortly. But so, I think there's a. bit of both. I mean, if you look at this. image, this just shows you um.

what we got here. Yeah, this just shows. you the kind of site. That's the site there. That's that's the. main area. This is like the southeast. quad southeast depression they call it. Where a few few of the areas are 60 ft. wide each. And then if you look at the. main site here, this is the GPR scan they did of the. site. And these are all the other. enclosures they haven't even uncovered. yet. Would that push the date back if. they got went deeper? Could be. I mean, the thing the thing is though, they have. got to bedrock already. So, and and. that's where they get the 9600 BC date.

But before Klaus Schmidt died, he. claimed and he said this to me and. Andrew when we were there once. He said. that he they he thinks they're going to. find stuff going into the ice age there. Wow. 14,000 years ago. And now other. sites in the area are older than. Göbeklitepe now. They're finding sites. like Çatalhöyük Tepe which isn't too far. away. The sites up near the Tigris River. hundreds of miles away called Boncuklu. Tarla and a couple of other places. called I was going to ask you about. that. Tarla's older, yes? Some are. older, yeah. They they don't have the.

big T-pillars. That's what that's what. distinguishes. Göbeklitepe so compared to other sites. That's actually my That's when I first. went there before they built the roof. over it. >> murderer's row out there. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, you got me, Graham Hancock, and. Andrew Collins, obviously. Um. And this is like back in 2013 when I. first visited there. So, this is you and. Graham first visited there as well. And um it's a absolutely fascinating. place. And this is just a a scan I got. of what This is enclosure D relatively. recently, a few months ago. They've. actually cleared more of it now. So,

they these these giant T-pillars were. actually kind of found like this but. with all the. rubble around it holding them all up in. place. And so, they preserve a lot of it was. preserved. That's what's so interesting. to me. You know, they actually preserved. this. And and the the bedrock there they. cut down into the bedrock. and created the floors and the curbs. around the edge which they would slot. T-pillars into. I think all these walls. that you see here, these small brick. walls, they were added later in my.

opinion. Yep. Because I think there was. it was very everything was balanced. It. was kind of held in place maybe by. certain types of scaffolding or other. stones. So, is that floor level and. polished? It is level, yeah. It's level. on the surface. >> Yep. And they also in some of the floors. um. I'm not sure what the next image Some of. the floors less of the astronomy. But. some of the floors actually made of. what's called terrazzo. Now, this is. like a lime cement. And this is outrageous. You have to get. you have to heat it up to like 850°.

You know, just to kind of get it hot to. create this lime this lime cement called. terrazzo. And they thought the Romans. invented that. That was you know, cuz. they're pretty smart, the Romans. But. now they found it going back to 9,000 or. even actually older than that. Older. sites have terrazzo as well. So, some of. the floors are are flattened limestone. carved out the solid rock. And other other floors some of the other. areas are actually like made of this. kind of very waterproof cement called. terrazzo. And so, that's that's insane.

It's that they were doing that and they. were making it waterproof which is. interesting. >> It is. Cuz and like you see on here, you. can actually see the curb around the. edge. You know, and so, they could have. had water in here and and it would have. stayed in there. You know, it wouldn't. have drained away unless they chose to. drain it away through certain holes that. they created. So, that's another. interesting element of these sites. Is. there controversy right now about. Turkey holding up excavation? I've heard. that. There is there is there has been. some controversy. There's. a gentleman called Jimmy Corsetti of.

Bright Insight. I I know him quite well. actually. I've been assisting him with. some of his research. He looked into this because they they. slowed down excavation there. dramatically. But they but when he but. then we realized they were building. infrastructure. They got funding from. the WEF which is a bit dodgy in my. opinion. >> It is. And they are focused on building. a whole tourism thing there as well. So, they it's an investment project as well. They've got to monetize it and make it. work for them cuz it costs a lot to. excavate these sites. It's not it's not.

a cheap process. And when they see how. much there is to do now, my god, it's. outrageous amount you actually got to. do. Um. So, technically they have slowed down the. excavation and because they were doing. all these other things. And now they're. going to restart the excavations this. year and get back into it. They've. cleared away the olive trees Oh, okay. which were damaging the ruins. potentially. This is something that. Jimmy Corsetti campaigned against and. potentially he may have even changed. their mind on it because he he's he he. he's like he's full on. You know what I.

mean? >> Yeah, Jimmy didn't make a lot of friends. there. No, you don't make a lot Yeah, he. went out there though and got to see and. filmed everything and got access to. stuff. And that was cool. >> His his video was outrageous. It is, yeah. Him and him and. uh give a shout out to Mike Collins and. Wonder Wheel as well cuz he also was. there and he did a lot of the research. with him. And they kind of looked at all. this and like and they've actually now. moved the olive trees. And so, whether. Jimmy made that happen or whether it was. their long-term plan is still people are. a bit unclear about. But it happened. So, so it's a win either way. Sure.

Yeah. And so, now they they they've got. no excuse not to get down there now and. start doing some excavation. They've now. announced they will be doing some. And. so, whether that's due to the pressure. or whether it's just something they had. in mind anyway. I think there was a lot. of the archaeologists were responding. to the pressure. And so, I think they. may have have caused some changes there. So, it's it's great. It is. Stuff's. happening. And I can't wait to see what. else is going on there. I mean, cuz when. you consider how little has been. excavated and it what it has been. excavated is mind-blowing already. It.

really is. So, what what else are they. going to find? So, if they can't go. deeper cuz the bedrock is is just going. to keep getting wider? Is this a whole. complex? Yeah. And who was it. >> it. What was it used for? >> back to this here. This is I mean, this. is how big it is. I mean, you look at. like the bottom right there. That's. what's kind of been excavated. So, we. have these enclosures. You got um. enclosure D at the top on the right. there. You've got enclosure C which is. like a double enclosure. It's like a. double stone circle. And all the other. ones, this whole scanned area, a place. they've only just started excavating.

And so, there's a lot more to find. And they're. they're now finding outside of this as. well because they found because they're. you know, when this was all being built, this was probably like a series of stone. circles. No one living up there. And. then over time over a few hundred years, people were turning up there going, "Whoa. Whoever built this is I want to. be around this. This is where to be.". And they built this settlement around. it. And so, there's all these structures. built up around it. So, it's like it's. like a village. It's like a small town. Have they found evidence of dwellings, cooking? Potentially, yeah. They're.

they're now saying that. This is one of. the things that there's a big debate for. many years. But now. it's like I said, it seems like. initially there was no one really there. They they were coming in from Şanlıurfa. This is where all the. you get We have a water source there. You have rivers and springs there. You have caves there. People are also, you know, living there as well. That's. only a half a day's walk. It's only a. few miles away. You get there in half a. day and back in the same day, you know, to Göbeklitepe. So, it's not too far. And then I think eventually they got. tired of going back and forth and they.

started building these smaller square. structures which you see a kind of. around the edge. And they're the ones. that actually collapsed in later. Mhm. But even they had T-pillars inside them. which is odd. And so, are they really. domestic? Are they actually were were. people actually living there? One one of the theories that we're. developing and. kind of looking at as a as a possibility. is. There's all these sites now. I mean, we. can actually look at if we jump back to. Oh, I need to go back to the first one. Just to show you just to give you an.

extent of what is going on here. This is it. These are all some of the. sites that are being excavated. So, it's. called Test Tepe. That's I call it the. Test Tepe super civilization. That's my. kind of term I use. >> it. And. There's 12 sites potentially, but. there's many more. There could be 38, there could be 100. You know, these are. the two numbers we've heard. And whether. So, I don't know if people lived at one. site. I think they may have traveled. around the different sites through the. year.

And they built a boat that anyone could. stay in at different times. And it was a. kind of like carrying on from the. hunter-gatherer tradition where you. would move around to different sites cuz. they know they were doing that in before. this, earlier than the Göbekli Tepe in. the Levant. Right. They were. Hoofien sites down there going back to. 14,000, 15,000 years ago. And they they didn't have. permanent settlements, but they built. places and they would move to another. place for hunting grounds and migrations. and plants they were collecting. And then make their way back over the.

year. So, it could have been a. pilgrimage route between these different. sites cuz you have exactly the same. symbolism, T-shaped pillars, style. statues, even burials now they're. finding, all are the same style. And. it's almost like the builders of Göbekli. Tepe, the first sites that were put. there, they were. everything then was duplicated. Nothing. changed. It was almost like they came in. perfect. Nothing changed.

It's it's strange. It's like you think. there'd be a development of different. styles and other such things, but the. style maintained itself. >> Yeah, it's almost like a TGI Fridays. They just build it like prefab. It's the. same. Yeah, it's almost like a. franchise. It's like a franchise. [laughter]. It feels like I mean, it's it's very. it's very bizarre because and and some. of a lot of these sites you can actually. do some analysis of this. You can if you. stand at the top of one site cuz they're. often up on top quite high places. Not. all of them, but some of them. You can. see the peak of the other hill in the. distance and then to another place. So,

it's almost like they were aware of each. other going across the entire landscape. as well. Which could have been. astronomical. They could have been. sighting themselves astronomically. They. could have been lighting beacons certain. times of year. They could So, everyone. could see each other. We don't know, but there it's really. really intriguing when you realize it's. not just one site, Göbekli Tepe, which. has been 5% excavated. All these sites. and a lot of them are now being. excavated. Karahan Tepe has got a lot of. excavation being done. Sefer Tepe, you've got a few other sites.

like Sayburç and others. Mhm. But. why so many sites? I mean, this is why I. believe this was the world's first. civilization or what I call a super. civilization because the elements of. civilization were different back then. They didn't necessarily have writing as. we know it. They may not have had. certain things you class as. civilization, but they had other things. going on. You know, ritualistic. elements, the geometry, the metrology, astronomy, which were highly advanced.

especially for this time. Sure. I I mean. I know there's not a lot of writing, but. the metrology and the astronomy speaks. to engineering. that there's there's intentional. engineering happening at these sites. So, the way they had to communicate that. and pass this information down somehow. Are we finding any of that? Like here's. how to do this. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm finding that's. what I'm writing about at the moment. actually. I'm finding you know, there. are connections that are being made in. other parts of the world now. Is this.

what you mean? Other going across other. areas. >> Right, like if you look at the Edfu. texts and stuff, it's like here's how we. built this. Oh, yes. I see Yeah, no, I. mean, there's. It's very there's very little if One one. of the clues about how they built stuff. is the quarries. What what we're finding. there a lot is like Göbekli Tepe and. Karahan Tepe, there's an area they kind. of leave. They leave a half-finished. T-shaped pillar. Huh. You know, actually in situ, which is. really really interesting. I mean, I'm. not sure if I've got an image of it. here, but that really intrigues me. because if you've got that going on,

then that suggests that um. I don't think I've got an image. actually, but. that suggests that. No, I don't have one right there. Sorry. >> [snorts]. >> But that shows you that they were. leaving certain things at the site or. near the site to say, "Hey, this is how. we did it. This is where we got the. stone from. This is the birthplace of. this temple you're looking at." You. know, this is like really important. I've actually written a few articles. about that cuz you have that with like. Aswan Quarry, biggest obelisk in the. whole area of Egypt is left in the.

quarry half-finished. You get it on. Easter Island, the biggest Moai statue. is still in the quarry half-finished. You get it at Baalbek, the biggest. stones there 1,650 tons are still in the. quarry unfinished. >> Right. Same with Göbekli Tepe. Same with. Karahan Tepe. So, there's like almost. like a tradition. of you leave the biggest stone or. evidence of how they did it in the. quarry as a little kind of mark saying, "This is where this came from." Like a. maker's mark. >> Yeah, this is like it's almost a Masonic. thing. You You could see it like that.

cuz the Masons do that as well. apparently. Um there's places in. Bible lands that have all this kind of. tradition as well. When you look at some. of the quarries there. And I find that. really intriguing. And so, but also. you've got to remember that they mainly. built with limestone as well. So, it's. relatively relatively still impossible. for me or you to do it probably, but. they were building with limestone. You. could cut it. You could cut it with the. tools they had. um relatively [clears throat] easily. But when you get into the intricate. stylings of everything, it's like, "Oh. my god. I mean, how did they come up.

with this?" But. where's the legacy of that? It's almost. like it emerged. It blasted out of. nowhere right at the end of the last ice. age, just after the Younger Dryas, and. boom. Here we go. It's almost like But we're. now what we're doing for my and JJ's. book. It's JJ Ainsworth, my partner or my. co-author I'm working with. We're looking at the kind of lead up to. that. Where it all came from. >> That's where the big questions are. How. it all came to be. And and people aren't going to like what. we say. I mean, cuz we're not we're not.

super out there, you know, we're we're. not super controversial. I really believe these hunter-gatherers. were a different class of people that. people don't realize. They were they. were elite groups within these. hunter-gatherers that are often not. talked about. But they were the ones who. had this higher level of knowledge and. it was passed down generationally. And they were super advanced and they. were also think they were taking various. substances. You could say psychedelics. >> We're going to get into that. And I. think in one of your books, don't you. talk about secret societies back then?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, I've. written about that in a couple of. papers, articles that I've written. because. you look into hunter-gatherer societies, you you go back far enough even into the. Paleolithic times. I'm going to put an. image of that as well. There's a couple. of images. That you can actually find. evidence going way, way back. of. these kind of societies going back to. the Paleolithic era. which um.

suggest that they were very advanced. back then. >> Oh, yeah. The the the hash marks. These. are This is Alexander Marshack um and he. This is like This is like counting. This. is like. numerology. This is astronomy, counting. the moons and things like this. Um. And there's certain things they were. doing way back in Paleolithic era going. back 40,000 years some of these places. Suggesting that they had advanced. understanding of astronomy and the. solstices, you know, which is where we. get to Karahan Tepe. Eventually, we're. going to look at that. And they seem to.

be obsessed by it. There was this thing. that they were actually aligning. many of their caves. Let me just find the right one here. They were aligned You even see at. Karahan Tepe itself actually. This is actually the top of Karahan. Tepe. They have all these etchings at. the top of the hill. You're not allowed. to go up there anymore. And uh and below. it at um Sefer Tepe as well. You find. these etchings very similar to the. Paleolithic etchings. So, you see this. lineage of information. >> Yep. coming from the Paleolithic Europe.

And they traditionally had. Hunter-gatherer groups traditionally. have secret societies. as their kind of leaders, their ritual. adept leaders who are like uh they were. different groups within different. hierarchical societies. And this goes. back. tens of thousands of years. People don't. realize this. They weren't just randomly. going around hunting and gathering. They. were organized. They planned things. They chose specific caves that were. aligned so the entrances would have. light coming through on the summer. solstice morning or the winter solstice.

sunset or something like this. Which. would take generations just to observe. that pattern. >> Exactly. Exactly. And this is actually. Lascaux for instance. We actually have. This is the This is the most famous. cave for example in France, you know, in. in the the Dordogne Valley of France. I. I managed to Luckily, went here this. summer. I got a family holiday which. turned into a full-on exploration much. to the disdain of my family. But that's. what happened. And this one is aligned. to summer solstice sunset. Now, they're. not aligned. It wasn't built like that.

But they they chose their caves and. entrances and put their paintings in. specific spots where it would illuminate. only on the solstices. at that time of year. And there was a. lot of research done on this. And they. found that a majority of the caves. there, not only did they align to the. solstices, they were chosen because they. had this passageway that would. illuminate the whole passageway on that. particular time of the year. But also. paintings were put in spots where it. they would get illuminated or carvings. were placed there.

And so much so that this analysis was. done by these amazing French. researchers. >> Yeah. And they found that this is all. scientifically analyzed. This is all. published in academic papers. And they found that more often than not, you know, this is no way this could be. chance, you have the winter solstice. mainly plus the summer solstice and the. equinoxes. aligned caves and illuminations taking. place. I mean this is actually a map of. all the different caves, where they were. and how they're aligned. And that really.

blew my mind because this knowledge was. going on potentially 40,000 years ago. right up until the time of Göbekli Tepe. And then now we're finding it there, very similar ideas, very similar. principles. And so you can see that. there's a legacy of knowledge going back. into the Paleolithic Europe era, but. also. but much older cultures in different. areas going coming down from the Russian. steppes, coming up from the Levant, even in. Egypt, uh the Natufians and other such.

peoples who had different types of. knowledge. Like the Natufians for. instance, they understood geometry. They even. understood standard units of measure and. construction techniques and building. into the bedrock and things like this, which they weren't supposed to know. about 14,000 to 15,000 years ago. So they were smart people as well. And. they were like starting to kind of. kind of have settlements, but not. They. were kind of moving around as I said. earlier like pilgrimage routes, following the different migrations of. animals, but choosing sites in specific.

areas where they could take measurements. of the sky. They could like they they. would building a certain manner, align. and orient things in a certain way so it. would kind of continue their traditions. And that that is really that really blew. my mind when you start looking at. earlier than Göbekli Tepe, you find all. these elements in place. And there's actually a very Natufian. site [clears throat] right near Göbekli. Tepe. This is what we mentioned earlier, Çatalhöyük Tepe. That again is it's got. Natufian stylings to it. because it's got like the it's got like.

holes around the edge where wooden poles. could have had roof supports like the. Natufians used to do. Right. So you get. things like this going on. So yeah, the. more you get into it, the more you dig. into the kind of academic papers, there's there's nuggets of information. in there which kind of a lot of people. haven't heard about. Well, let's take a quick break and when. we come back, I want to talk about. Karahan Tepe solstice 2021 where you. almost got yourself into some trouble. Be right back. So before we jump into. Karahan Tepe and and your. almost arrest by the Turkish government, I wanted your quick take on Derinkuyu,

the underground cities of Cappadocia. Who built those? How long? What were. they used for? They're very Yeah, the underground. cities of Turkey are amazing really. Yeah, the most famous one as you said, Derinkuyu. This is in the whole. Cappadocia area. This is it goes. multiple levels down. They've got these huge rooms, all these. different floors. Um. it's quite intricate actually some of. it. There's There's one of many though. There's like 200 at least of that size. That I mean 20,000 people got in there.

>> Yeah, I mean that there's there's at. least 200. Could be hundreds more. This. they they're finding them now. not too far from Göbekli Tepe. This is. what's in a. town called Midyat. It's kind of in. between Göbekli Tepe and the Tigris area. where you get like Çatalhöyük Tepe and. Boncuklu Tarla, these other sites which. are a bit older than Göbekli Tepe. They're finding them there. They're. finding them now in Konya as well where. you have Çatalhöyük nearby, which is 7. 1/2 thousand year old site. But these. underground cities are officially only a. couple of thousand, 3,000 max years old.

Some of them are attributed to the. Hittites. >> Mhm. Some are attributed to the. Byzantine people, even the Christian. era. But. at Derinkuyu itself, as you when you go and investigate them, you can actually see the first couple of. levels. are more intricately carved than the. lower ones because the lower ones are. later. As they dig down, it's later in. time. And the first ones are the first ones. they carved out and they're more. intricately done. There's a different.

quality to them. There's not You can see. that they've done it all with like. natural tools, but when you get a bit. lower, you start to see metal tools that. have carved them out. >> Right. So the first layers could be. super ancient. And one of the primary. investigators there many, many years ago. tried to work out where all the. stone went. Where did it all go? Where. did it end up? And he found a riverbed. where he found loads of the limestone. had been chucked in there, the rubble, the kind of dust and everything else. And found Paleolithic tools in there. Wow. And Mesolithic tools. So we're.

talking like and he and he thinks they. could be really old going into the ice. age. So that's what's so interesting. about them. And also that it could be. with this whole kind of cataclysm of you. know, the whole Younger Dryas and all. this, which was, you know, Göbekli Tepe. was built within a couple of hundred. years at the end of that kind of whole. drama, >> [gasps]. >> that. could these have been places where. people were hiding out when major. cataclysms were taking place up on the. surface, which were known to have been. happening in that part of the world. I.

mean so I think there's something in. both of those ideas. I mean this is all. just discussion at the moment. No one's. really sure. Um but the fact that some. of them are now being found closer and. closer to the whole Taş Tepe super. civilization. you know, area, I think that's going to. they're going to find correlations. between them especially now because what. we're going to look at shortly is. Karahan Tepe. They're digging into the. ground. That they're subterranean. elements even in Taş Tepe itself. And so.

they were building into the ground right. there at some of the sites. We in fact. even discovered a tunnel there. at one of the sites that we're not. allowed to kind of talk about too much, but we made a video. >> but didn't give the location away. An. artificial tunnel? Yeah, we're talking. 100 m so what, 2 or 300 ft dug into the. ground I never heard that. >> solid rock. Um for what purpose? No one. knows. They say it's a well, but when we looked at it, it was like, "Whoa, hang on a sec. What What on earth. is this?" And so that's actually that's. actually our site they're starting to.

excavate as well. So they're going to. probably find it anyway, but we we got. to know the locals and the family. And. it's very similar to like Derinkuyu. It's very similar to that idea of. underground elements being constructed. at these sites. And so there is actually. a connection now between Taş Tepe. and the underground cities. The. underground fascinate me because of the. intentionality of them. How the. >> giant stones are there for protection, the bringing fresh water up, bringing. fresh air down, >> Yeah. animal husbandry happening in the. lower levels. It's just it's very.

intricate. Yeah, and the yeah you have. the rolling doors, like like the big. circular doors. Yeah, and so they would. roll them back and forth into place. They're like giant stone discs. And some. of those have been found in caves at in. Şanlıurfa right near right in the center. of the whole area of Taş Tepe. And so there's actually caves there. They're quite famous. They've got all. along the where the river used to run in. in Şanlıurfa. There's actually a couple of caves there. that have these circular discs in them. It's like, "Hang on a sec. That's Could these then be as old as.

Göbekli Tepe? Where this Is this where. the people were living? You know, and is it the same and the. same ideas were then transported to. different parts of Turkey as well? And. so. yeah, there's a lot more going on than. people realize in that area. How many. people were living there at the time? In. In Şanlıurfa? In this whole area is I. mean these are thousands, hundreds of. thousands of people. I mean when it come. right This is what's one of the big. debates about the whole Taş Tepe region. because. Şanlıurfa itself had not only a river. running through it, very strong river.

There was a super lush area. It had all these caves where people were. living in just above the river. It had. springs. There is four sacred springs. that now feed what are known as the. pools of Abraham where all the the. sacred carp are. You have the the cave of Abraham as well. where he was said to have been born, which is all carved out in a weird way. and it's all water in it and. and it makes you wonder if all these. kind of biblical sites in Şanlıurfa were. actually adapted from the whole Taş Tepe.

region. Region and cuz there was actually a site. in Şanlıurfa itself called Yemen Harlay. This is where the Urfa Man statue was. found or the Balıklıgöl statue. And that that's got obsidian eyes, no. mouth. It's kind of in this sort of pose. with a stump for its legs where it would. have been placed in a prominent. position. >> Yes. Um with his phallus kind of out. with a V-neck motif or insignia. And. so there was a major site in Şanlıurfa. itself. as well as all the big sites like.

Göbekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe. So it's a. very. I think most of the people were living. around Şanlıurfa going back 10, 12,000. years. And then they spread out where. they started building these outer sites. that then became settlements themselves. And so yeah, there's a lot there's a lot. going on in Şanlıurfa city itself. I. like Andrew Collins' theory about how. the Garden of Eden could have been could. have been a place there. Yeah. >> Could have been an actual place. Yeah, lots of it lines up cuz this is the. ancient city of Edessa. Yeah. This is.

where we have, you know, many of the. kind of stories of um. Adam and Eve and things like that kind. of emerged from these kind of zones. [snorts]. And it they. you know, there's a lot of debate about. that. I mean Andrew's the expert on all. this kind of stuff, but. you know, Şanlıurfa is a prominent. place. People don't realize that. They. think it's just the city that's near. Göbekli Tepe, but it's not. There's. something going on there as well. Where are you with Are you finding. Sumerian.

iconography, Anunnaki, that sort of. thing? Are you finding that at these. sites? Well, what. JJ's been looking at and I think Robert. Schoch and a couple of other people. before were looking at the some of the. symbolism. is the very similar to Hittite or kind. of similar type of symbolism but 7,000. years later, which is odd, you know. And the stories of the Anunnaki and what. Klaus Schmidt actually wrote about this. in his. book, you know, he wrote about that he.

believes there's some connection with. what was called the Duku mound or the. Anunnaki potentially it have been in and. around Gobekli Tepe. Something Andrew's written about, something we're going to be looking at. from a different perspective because we. found lots of the myths and the stories. could actually be talking about what was. going on. in. Tas Tepe region as well. And Karahan Tepe being one of the kind. of areas we're focused on because you. have all these kind of kind of fertility. myths with Enki and Enlil.

>> Yeah. And and that fits, you know, there's lots of fertility symbolism at. sites like Karahan Tepe. Do you. subscribe to some of the more I don't. know, fringe is the wrong word, but some. of those out there theories about. Anunnaki being alien hybrid programs? That is I find that fascinating. I mean, trust me, I've read Zecharia Sitchin's. books, but I've also read the books of. Christian O'Brien and Barbara Joy. O'Brien, the Shining Ones and Genius of. the Few. Yes. They're more my kind of. thing. I mean, cuz. even even in them, you know, his.

translations of the Sumerian text is. still pretty mind-blowing. >> It is. And bizarre. And he he believes. rather than aliens coming down from the. sky, the O'Briens looked at it more like. more like they were kind of spiritual. beings, almost semi-divine, who would. almost emerge from the ether and then. come into form, which is is. sounds as crazy as aliens does, really, but that was his idea. It's the only way. he could really explain it because. that's that's how it's kind of.

described. They were kind of semi-divine. that became human into form eventually. and then they were human as well. This. sounds a lot like the Book of Enoch as. well. Yeah, it it kind of fit all. kind of fits in with all that as well. It's very odd, yeah, when you start. looking into it. Okay, so December 20th, 2021. Yeah. >> Were you incarcerated? Were you in that. Turkish prison? >> [laughter]. >> So, this is we're talking about Karahan. Tepe. Let me just bring up I want to. just show people this cuz this this is. what it looked like before.

it was kind of being excavated. I think. we need to kind of see this. This is. like. I think this was film I got in 2018 with. full permission from the land owners. So, this is this area the front area. there. This is what's all being. excavated now. And now Wow, it looks like nothing. This. is somewhat changed. If we look at it. now. >> Oh my goodness. >> This is what it looks like. Look at this. So, a huge amount has been. excavated. And. we're talking a lot of this has been.

carved into the bedrock as well. We're. not just talking. you know, built on the bedrock. A lot of it has. actually been carved out of the bedrock. They were working with the bedrock in a. way that no one else had really done. before this. And this is an epic shot. Look at this, it's mind-blowing. But. yeah, so this is this is an area of the. site. This is called the picture on the. structure AA and the other one there. with the serpent tail. with all the pillars, that's structure. AB or the pillar shrine. And then you got the main enclosure it.

leads into, which is like 70 ft wide, called structure AD. Now, if you notice on the right there, that's all carved out of bedrock cuz. it's going up a hill to one side, whereas all the others where they would. have been 18 T-pillars around the edge. >> Mhm. Five of them carved out of bedrock. with those benches. And so, it's a huge amount of work. They. got kind of carvings and wells and other. such things in there. But really what. kind of grabbed us was this area here. This is called what structure AB or the. pillar shrine, but these there's 10 of.

these pillars. This is all carved out of. bedrock which is unheard of at this. time. And then one free-standing pillar. which is almost like the shape of a. serpent. And on the back western wall, you got this head. It's about this big. emerging out, carved again out of the. bedrock. It's absolutely insane. When. you when you kind of look at this, it's. just absolutely blows my mind. So, this is what we saw when we turned. up on December the 20th, 2021. Myself and JJ, we had this serendipitous.

series of events, if you that's a polite. way of putting it. Well, we were planned we heard about it. all just been exposed, you know, the. first time you could visit it was in. like September, October 2021. Our. friends had been out there and we were. like, "Gosh, we want to get out there.". But we couldn't get out there till. December. That was the earliest we could. go. And then we heard that they were. going to close down the site around. Christmas or January cuz we have we have. sort of a friend who worked in Istanbul. University who kind of give us. information, keep us updated quietly. Um so, we got out there for December.

eventually. Eventually, we made it. there. And I kind of turned up there on the. evening of the 19th. We we knew the land owners cuz I've been. visiting there for five or six years. previously before it was excavated as. you saw in the the aerial shots there. And they gave us permission to go in. there and fly my drone just briefly so I. could get a view of the whole site. And then the military guys who also. worked there called Istanbul cuz they. saw someone flying a drone and tried to. get me in trouble, but I kind of had.

permission at the same time. But he. didn't realize wasn't supposed to And. they said anyway, this whole. series of problems has started. And then. I got a call from my friend who owns, you know, the son of the land owner, >> [clears throat]. >> the guy I flew the drone with, and he. said, "Oh, you can't come tomorrow." Cuz. and we had to go tomorrow cuz JJ hadn't. been there yet. We were like, "We want. to see the site when it's sunny and. everything.". Um can't come tomorrow cuz all the. officials are turning up and if you turn. up, you're going to get arrested, you're. going to get in trouble. We were like, "Really?" He said, "What I said, "What. time are they coming?" He said, "Oh, like late morning." I said, "We'll come.

early morning. How about that?" So, and. they said but he said, "No, they might. come early morning." I said, "Well, we'll come earlier in the morning. We'll. come [laughter] when it's dark, we don't. care." So, we got there just as the sun. was rising not realizing we were going. to see anything. And suddenly, we walk up to the site and. we see this head illuminated and we're. like, "What the hell?" So, you didn't. plan on a solstice this visit, you just. happened to Well, we were we we think we. were thinking about going there one of. the mornings, but we weren't didn't know. if we were going to discover anything. We checked it all, you know, the maps. and everything. We couldn't see anything.

obvious. But because it this happens 10. minutes after sunrise, the alignment's. slightly different to what you'd expect. Uh and as we saw we saw this head. getting illuminated, that really kind of. got us. And this is kind of what. happens. The sun would shine through that hole. that car This is all bedrock, remember? And illuminate the stone head. for 45 minutes. And and the light would. move around the head. And then it sort. of move around like this and then go. down onto the next over a four as the. sun as the light moves around it goes.

through that hole and only that hole and. it becomes cuz it's going at a sharp. angle, you actually getting this really thin. blade of light. So, if it's bedrock, they had to have planned this well in. advance. >> This was this was master astronomer. priestly elite doing. This was. outrageous design to come up with this. And then all the symbolism associated. with that as well. And it would go. through and then the sun would rise up, you know, over in that direction, you. know, southeast. It would go in between the two T-pillars.

of the main enclosure, sort of right in. between them, and then through that hole. and then illuminate the stone head. So, that really blew our minds when we saw. that we couldn't quite believe it. And. this is like the sequence. of of how it gets illuminated now in the. modern era cuz we went back there the. following year. We went back there this. late last year as well. And. but back in 9400 BC, the earliest dates. they've got for this site, they found we checked this all out using. Stellarium and all these different. programs and worked it all.

[clears throat] out. The sun would be. slightly higher on the head. So, it. would illuminate it even more perfectly. Okay. >> so it's definitely a deliberate design. So, if so, if we're dating this 9400 BC, then the technology has to predate that. by thousands of years, yes? >> This is this is what was developed, I. believe, in the Paleolithic era because. they would measure they were aligned. they were choosing caves that would. align to these solstices. So, they had. an understanding of it coming into Tas. Tepe before anything was even built. there. They must have done. Because you. don't by chance just come up with this.

Uh if we look at this is actually a. time-lapse. This is fascinating. If you. actually look at the head, Yeah. speed. it up, you've got it actually this is how what. happens. So, we were very fortunate we. managed to get in there. And it actually gets illuminated. I. mean, I've got I've got archaeologists. saying, "Oh, no, no, it's it's just pure. chance. Come on. >> Pure coincidence." And I'm like, "Man, if this was if this was on like the 18th. of April or something, then it might be a bit yeah, it could be. a weird coincidence. But this is. specifically only on the winter solstice.

where the sun is in its most southerly. position on the horizon before it starts. moving north across the horizon towards. the equinox and the summer solstice. So, this is only time of the year reaches. that point the sun rises. that it head gets illuminated. Any other. time of year, no light either light. doesn't come through or it goes nowhere. near the head. So, it has to have been. It has to have been. >> has to have been designed. And so, this. is what's so compelling. And on that. day, do aren't we seeing events like. this all over these ancient sites? Not.

particularly. But what you think about. it, right? So little has been excavated. And I we. believe there's something at Gobekli. Tepe. We believe there's an alignment. there, but it's been so built over, rebuilt, damaged, covered up and. everything else. But I think as these. excavations continue, we're going to. find more solstice alignments over and. over again. I mean, there's a couple of. other potential ones. There's enclosure. F at Gobekli Tepe. There's. possibly one in enclosure D at Gobekli. Tepe,

which we're pretty convinced by, but. none of it has this. Which is absolutely. Today, you can go and you can turn up on. the winter solstice and we did it we did. it this one just gone. Just watch it. You can turn and watch it happen. And. it's like, "What the hell?" I mean, to. me this is massive. I mean, not because. we discovered it or anything. We we you. know, whatever, you know. It's This is a. real thing proving that they were. studying. very high-level solstice orientations. and alignments and phenomena in 9400 BC. That isn't supposed to have been.

happening back then. >> No. It just isn't supposed to It's not. supposed to be happening until like. Stonehenge where you get the precise. alignments like this. Obviously the. Paleolithic caves were a bit different. cuz they're natural and they they they. were choosing places where the light. would come in and then they would paint. things, you know, so they'd get. illuminated or carve things like. But this is a whole different thing and. And this predates Stonehenge by 5,000. years? Five 6 to 7,000 years. >> goodness. So what what do you think was. happening at this site? What were they. doing? This is where it gets kind of. interesting. We believe that this was a.

ritualistic site. We believe there's all. this fertility symbolism. All these. pillars are really phalluses. You know, you have to you have to see. You have to suggest that. This is one of. the ideas. There's other symbolism there. where there's men holding their. phalluses and there's a large statue. which we can look at in a moment. Um but. there's there's something going on. there. These were studying the stars. There's just the star alignments as well. that Andrew's looked at, other people. have looked at. But really this is just.

outrageous. You can't just dis- you. know, this isn't by chance. I mean, if. we look at some of the reconstructions. we're actually looking at here. This is. my friend of Kevin Eslinger we've been. working on. to put in the site back together to see. if any pillars would be in the way. They're not. We've also. put a a roof over the top of it because. the archaeologists 100% claim this is. there's no evidence for any roofs. There's only a couple of negatives where. they think roof beams might have been. found. They think they all had roofs on so they.

We know they be no They don't look at. the sky. There's no astronomy. There's. no solstices. It doesn't happen. So. we're like, "Okay, we'll put a roof on. it then." So we did. We put a roof on it. exactly based on where all the pillars. are. and [snorts] there's a perfect gap. between two of the outer pillars and the. two central pillars. So it still works. >> light to come through even with a thatch. roof on it as well. We didn't put We This is a traditional. Native American roof that Kevin's. focused on looking at different designs. And even if you have to have windows in. roofs cuz otherwise it'd be pitch black.

If you just put one there in that small. area. you get a perfect alignment taking place. as well. And so this is To me this is. like, you know, this is like. >> it. Yeah, they don't like it. I mean, so. so even we don't believe there were. roofs, but there might have been. And so. if evidence turns up, they find wooden. beams or they find evidence of actual. roofs, then I'll be interested because. we could then present this. But. the fact is it works with and without. So this is what was going on there. There was all This is just a little kind. of 3D AI thing we put together from It's.

actually from an illustration by Dan. Lish. I want to give him credit. It was originally just a kind of pen and. ink illustration, but we turned it into. this. But we think there was something really. interesting going on here because. they were obviously developing their. astronomical skills. There was ritualistic activity clearly. taking place there. They found all sorts. of artifacts with bizarre symbolism on. Like what? you know, all sorts of things. like that. We talk about the leopards. We talk about men holding their phallus.

We can look at some of them actually. This is all This is actually the roof. they're planning to build which we'll. get into in a little while. Um let me. just find the right thing because. there's some very bizarre I mean. This Let's have a look at this one. This. is the vulture statue they found in the. the new enclosure at the top of the. hill. This is about 2 and 1/2 ft tall. So probably like this. And the vulture. shows up at all these sites, doesn't it? It does. It's a vulture Yeah, this is. what we get on a pillar 43 at Göbekli. Tepe. Again, this is broken right here, here and here in three places like most.

of the statues are like ritually. ritualistically broken. This was found. also up in the new enclosure. Again, I've got another look at the. pillar shrine there. But let's look at And also there's. evidence that these were full of water. as well which we believe we mentioned. earlier. There's. I think there's water symbolism here is. really interesting cuz if these had. water in them, it becomes much more. ritualistic. There's things that could. have been taking place here. I think. you're right because the walls are so.

smooth that it looks it almost looks. like it. Very bizarre when you start. looking into it. Yeah, let's just go. Yeah, let's have a look at this. This is again this is the work of Kevin. Eslinger. We were kind of experimenting. to see cuz they look like pools of. water. But there's there's no natural. water here. like springs or like Göbekli Tepe. And. yet people somehow may have lived here. as well. And so we we were working out if they. could collect rainwater and stay full of. water and they pretty much could. They're very well sealed. Um and also, you know, we have this as.

well. This is like speculation about. what it may have looked like. It could. have just been a spa. Right. >> have been a megalithic spa. That would be something I would quite. appreciate, I'm sure. Um. But here's some of the This is This some. of the artifacts and the symbolism. which could explain what was going on. here because you've got like this this. is like this huge These are perfectly. cut stone bowls with these holes kind of. donut shaped stones with animals placed. within them as though they're going. through that porthole stone that winter.

solstice comes through. And so they're they're having And then. they've got these maces like these stone. maces. You can just about see on the top. right image. of all these carvings on them and other. such things. So to me this is a. ritualistic. burial of some artifacts. This isn't. This isn't just what they were preparing. like their beef stew in or anything like. that. This is something else. Um. I think you can see that here is some of. the other relatively newly discovered. statues with 3D reliefs on them. All sorts of symbolism. It's It's quite.

broken Karahan Tepe. So that it's quite hard to find it. This. is actually a new room they found at the. site. This to me this looks like. something Sumerian or Egyptian. It does. Utterly bizarre. And so this is brand. new. This is like what? 25 ft wide? Something like that. It's not huge, but. it's pretty big. And so And this And a. lot of the base there is carved out of. bedrock. And so this would be again. would be water sealed as well. And again this is a looks like a level. polished floor. It is. Yeah, they were.

They were really working that bedrock in. a profound manner. Yeah. Really, really. beautifully. And this is one of the. statues they found. This they thought. originally was a female statue, but then. they You can actually see it's got a. phallus there as well. >> Yeah. This was found in the the large. enclosure at the top of the hill. Look. at the haircut though. That's very. similar actually to what you see on some. of the goddess statues in Malta. and Gozo. Right. Malta Gozo like. Sansuna. And then this one Yeah, the. whole Sansuna story is really blows my. mind actually. This is what This is This. is the big statue they found on the.

right in the in the new It's caused a. bit of a sensation late 2023. But notice. it's got like a. almost like a false beard on it. Look at. that. And then they found this smaller. statue again with this what appears to. be a false beard. And what do we find in. Egypt? What do we find on the Sphinx? We find these kind of false beards. And. so what on earth is that doing here? And clearly the man the gentleman on the. right This is 7 and 1/2 ft tall. This is. a giant, okay? He's holding his phallus. He's got a emaciated body. So you see. his ribs. He's even got a haircut. It's.

It's almost like shaved around here and. hair coming down the back. A bit like a. mullet. A bit of a kind of mohawk. mullet. Uh so they were pretty And And this is. very much when you have shaved heads and. things like this. it's usually asso- associated with. ritual specialists. You know, this is a. traditional kind of This isn't like king. or warrior. This is like a kind of. ritual specialist when you have the. shaved cranium. Like a prehistory shaman. or something. >> Yeah. And you get that. very much.

Could any of these sites been. colored pigments painted? There is there. is evidence of that now, yeah. I mean, actually this If we go to this one, this. is the boar statue. >> Oh. that was found at Göbekli Tepe. This they found This was found in the. main enclosure. at enclosure D at Göbekli Tepe. This is. huge. It's like a full size kind of boar. statue with fangs and everything else. And in his mouth they found black, red. and also white pigment on some of the. body as well. You can see the red.

pigment in there. So they had black, red. and white. Now I know that's interesting. to you because you had I think Tim Hogan. was speaking about that being the colors. of Egypt. >> colors of the Templars. The colors of. the Templars. Some people say the colors. of Atlantis as well. Yeah. So they're. the colors of the Wi-Fi's. They're the. three Yeah, look at the Wi-Fi's of. course. So they're the three main colors. they found at this site. They had found. it previously on another boar statue in. enclosure C many years ago and thought. nothing of it. But now this potentially. the whole site might have been painted.

We've got to get Kevin on that. Yeah. We would like to see that. [laughter] Yeah. Cuz that's spectacular. >> be interesting actually, yeah. So that. really That really interests me that the. whole idea that they could actually be. painted. And the same could be, you know, Karahan. Tepe as well. So one of the things um. they found inside the main enclosure at. Karahan Tepe, you know, which I think, you know, could have held sacraments, could have proved it's kind of ritual. site. Well, these giant plates. These. are like this big some of them. These. are carved out solid stone polished.

Yeah. Notice the one the dark one in the. middle there. That has like almost like. a indentation smoothed out in the. middle. >> like a beveled restaurant tray. Yeah, and and these this is this is like. basalt. This is granite. This is. extremely hard. Some of it's diorite, I. think. How could they carve exactly. Exactly. How could they do that? And so. this is what This is one of the one of. the mysteries that And they found. hundreds of these now. They weren't When. this was put on display, they'd only. found a handful of them. Cuz limestone, yes, you can cut that with obsidian. >> But they got they got very hard basalt.

as well. You know, like almost diorite. level. It's really interesting. >> rock in that area? Yeah, yeah, there's. Yeah, cuz you have So you have Karacadag. Mountain. This is like the big It was once a. volcano to the north. This is where the. first Einkorn wheat was grown on the the. slopes of actually, you know, going back. to not long after Göbekli Tepe. But they found lots There's lots of. volcanic. But some of the stone is from. completely unknown areas. They don't. know where it came from. And so this is. why the wider super civilization idea.

could be a reality at places like. Karahan Tepe and Göbeklitepe. But these. are just some of the plates. They found. these placed specifically on the benches. in between the T pillars around the edge. of the main enclosure. But now they're. finding them in all the enclosures and. placed often in very specific spots. under the porthole stone in the kind of. almost like altar type areas and things. like this. Do we have a guess why? I mean that There's some There was. something on these plates. That lip is.

there for practical reason. They hold. something. There's something on these. plates. I don't think they were serving, you know, cucumber sandwiches or. anything like that. I think this was a. serious They were serving sacraments. Could there have been human sacrifice? blood There is There is There is some. evidence of that at a site called. Çatalhöyük, which is further to the. north. >> There's evidence of that? They found a. huge human hemoglobin. along with animal and human bones all. piled up in a place called the skull. room. at Çatalhöyük. And they think there. could have been human sacrificing there.

as well going on. So that So that's. that's that's another interesting place. That's further to the north. It's around. 1,000 years after. Göbeklitepe and Karahan Tepe. They can. date that hemoglobin, yes? Yeah, they. have Yeah, they have done that at this. at these sites. And so but but these I. think I've got this feeling that these. were what sacraments were carried along. I'm talking about possibly psychotropic. plant medicines. Now, what do you mean? Well, I'm talking about magic mushrooms. I'm talking about potentially other. things that they henbane other things. that may have grown in the area.

Because when you start To me, when you. start looking at the whole stylings and. design, 3D relief carvings, abstract. imagery of Göbeklitepe and all these. sites, it's it's not a normal human mind is. coming up with that. This is. outrageously kind of abstract. It It. doesn't make sense. If you were just a. primitive or relatively primitive. hunter-gatherer, you wouldn't be. building and creating these beautiful. relief carvings with this abstract. symbolism and design and maintaining.

that over generations unless you had a. real kind of. very unusual mind to put that together. To me, so I think there's something odd. going on here. >> Does Amanita or any of those type of. mushrooms grow in the area? Well, you. get. Yes, you would get that because they. they they they were known to have all. rocks and different cattle. And so the. dung there it would grow for sure. Right. They found There's lots of. There's quite a lot of mushroom sort of. shape symbolism in parts of these sites. as well. You can actually find that on. many of the different statues. And also.

there's a type of grass that grows all. in that area, which if actually a small. It's kind of kind of partly acacia. So. you burn that in high quantities, you're. going to get DMT smoke coming out as. well. Interesting. And also they were. brewing beer. There's evidence of. calcium oxalate being found on some of. the large stone vessels, sort of tubs. that they found at Göbeklitepe so far. And they're not supposed to have beer. yet, are they? No, but it would have I. mean so there's potential evidence. This. hasn't been 100% proven that they were.

brewing beer. Maybe accidentally. They. could have just left it to rot and. ferment and they realized Well, it made. them feel a bit funny when they drank. it. So they So that is that can put you. into a more like a beer gruel it would. be rather than a beer. >> Could it Could ergot grow on that? Exactly. >> Exactly. This is the point. And so what. they found in Rakit Check Cave down in. Israel, which is older than Göbeklitepe, is not only evidence of early beer. production, you know, we're talking probably. accidental beer, but they found evidence. of ergot as well. Wow. So and that was.

usually associated with a skull cult, you know, [snorts] decapitating skulls, sacrificial kind of stuff as well. And. so was that happening at Göbeklitepe. because they found skulls there. with holes drilled in them. So they could have been strung up. And. then some of the T pillars have holes. carved on the overhanging T part, holes. drilled for So you could actually. stringing up skulls and hanging them. there. But also but this this So this. idea of psychedelics in ancient times. to me suddenly all comes clear. This is.

like why they were studying all these. obscure things like they were studying. the stars, having these ritualistic. practices, these fertility symbolism, all this unusual iconography, which is. really hard to decipher, because they. were kind of off their heads on. >> Sure. really interesting substances. And. other cultures. throughout history after that were known. to be into this kind of stuff. >> Yeah, I mean if if ayahuasca goes back. 10,000 years, how many thousands of. years did it take to figure out that. process? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So it. it just goes it goes on and on and on.

And then they were experimenting to to. put it in, you know, I think when you're. kind of in some kind of altered state, you're going to get into things like. geometry. You're going to see the. fractals all of it. Exactly. Yeah, so. this is So this is why I'm so fascinated. by this. This is one I mean the whole of. Göbeklitepe is all of the sites there. are geometrically laid out. And so this. one is a a very complicated one. actually, which was first This This. shape was first discovered by Alexander. Thom. Megalithic yard. Yeah, all that kind of.

stuff, yeah, and the stone circles of. Britain, all that different geometry. >> Can you give us just a quick recap of. what. Alexander found? Yeah, for sure. I've. got I've got. a couple of images here. I'll just show. you. >> This audience knows the megalithic yard. Yeah, so this is this is this is the. man. I absolutely love this guy. Absolute legend. So this is Alexander Thom. He was around. really, you know, in the 1938 he started. to measure stone circles. He was a. Scottish engineer. He studied and taught. at Oxford University. He was fascinated by stone circles and.

the megalithic sites. So he went around. with a theodolite on his own sometimes. You know, theodolite heavy they should. be called. They're giant metal objects. They're really hard to carry about. And. surveyed hundreds of stone circles and. he came up with all these he found all. these geometries, you know, within them, ellipses, perfect circles mainly, but. also these very odd flattened eggs and. things like this. And that really got him, you know, and. like and so he proved that, you know, not a majority were circular, but a lot. of them were these shapes. So he proved.

that they were using very sophisticated. geometry to lay them all out. He also. discovered the standard unit of measure. called the megalithic yard, which is. 2.72 feet or 0.83 meters, which he found over and over again at. these sites. And if we go to Göbeklitepe, this is one of the geometries Oh my. goodness. In enclosure C. Are you. finding standard units of measure at. these sites? Oh, we're going to Yeah, we're going to get into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is very very. interesting stuff. So this is a perfect.

flat and circle modified type B. I mean. this doesn't exactly roll off the. tongue. But enclosure C is is got it. down. I mean that's what kind of gets. me. Here's some other geometries. Okay, the middle one there is enclosure D, which is a an egg-shaped based upon two. 5-12-13. Pythagorean triangles. I understand when. I think about that I think about an. orbit. Yeah. >> This This is like two ellipses merged. >> Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. also on the left there you've got some. other geometries. You've got.

obviously Karahan on the right there. And so we keep finding these different. geometries. And to me. this can't just be accidental. >> No. Something odd about this. And then. when you get it you start looking a. little bit more closely, you realize. Nabta Playa in Egypt has the same. geometry as Göbeklitepe. This goes back. to 7 and 1/2 thousand BC potentially. So. what's going on here? And then, you. know, there's alignments between them. that form geometries. Nan Madol, fascinating. I see it's connected. It's.

all It's all connected and What about. the henges? Do they fall into the same. ellipses pattern? Yes, you do get that in England, yeah. So this is what this is what we're. developing. I'm actually writing about. this as we speak. I'm finding so many correlations between. Alexander Thom's work and what we're. finding in Southeast Turkey. And as more. sites get uncovered, more and more of these geometries keep. turning up. And it's it's blowing my. mind. So let's let's just look Let's. look at the metrology for a moment. This. is insane. >> Let me stop you for 1 second. How the. heck is Nan Madol connected to this?

This is That's Polynesia, no? Well, this. Well, what I've got here this is This is. from the little book. So what we did we. we started laying out sites around the. planet using Google Earth and other such. things and just seeing if there's any. interesting alignments between. Göbeklitepe sites or that test temple. sites and others around the world. And. there are some bizarre ones. I mean. you look at um. the alignment here from Say Burç to. Göbeklitepe to Taşlı Tepe. It goes and. it somehow goes through Karahunj in. Armenia. It does. And it goes to reach.

Nan Madol 7 and 1/2 thousand miles away. And that if that could be a coincidence, okay? Could be a coincidence. I I admit. that. But then you look at the work on. the right there. You've got Göbeklitepe. and Baalbek. on a perfect diagonal of a six-fold. square geometry, which is the work of. Howard Crowhurst. Mhm. The same one that. the triangle at the top left at. Göbeklitepe, Kurt Tepe, and Harbetsuvan. These are three test temple sites all. form a perfect 3-4-5 triangle across the. landscape. So that we think they were.

surveying a 3-4-5 sort of Pythagorean. triple. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. All All Pythagorean. Most of it's Pythagorean actually. Yeah, most of it is. And so what, you know, what That's what intrigues me because. that is happening in Britain. We've. proven that. Robin Heath, Howard. Crowhurst, Alexander Thom all proven. that. So now we're finding it happening. here. And then you think about like passages. from the Book of Enoch. Oh, and I'm. taking cords. The angels are taking. cords and going to measure. size and shape of the Earth. And you.

realize, hang on a sec. This is what they were actually doing at. this time. So even the Book of Enoch. could be referring back to this test. temple era where they were doing this. kind of thing. That's right. To catch. people up, Enoch traveling above the. Earth with Uriel and is shown 364 and. 1/4 days around the Sun, lunar cycle, solar cycle, all things that they're not. supposed to know. And I think Enoch was problematic for. the church at some point. >> Definitely. So I Was it James Bruce who. discovered it in in Ethiopia? That's. right. Uh it's it's it's fascinating to.

me. I mean, the the Book of Enoch is. almost like a kind of um. it's the Book of Testepela, in my. opinion. I think if you people start. looking into that more and as more. things get discovered there, they're. going to find more and more correlations. between these uh different elements, these different passages, these texts. that were written in ancient times. There's going to be more and more. connections. And one of the other. things, you know, they're talking about. going to measure. This is where the. ancient metrology gets into it, cuz all. these have got specific distances. between them. So this is going to hurt.

people's brain, this. But this is some measurements I took of. the different parts of um. Göbekli Tepe. Now, don't you don't need. to look at it too closely, but. fundamentally, what we're seeing here is. not just that we're finding the. megalithic yard, whole number as well. It's all about whole numbers. You don't. want to have half measures or things. like that. It doesn't I'm just only only. if I find a whole number. But what I. found was is that I'm very influenced by. the work of John Michel and John Neil,

who were the who wrote Ancient Metrology. back in 1980, I think. And then John. Neil has written a whole series of books. um about the metrology. And they don't. think there's one unit of measure like. the megalithic yard. They think there's. a whole system of. different variations of the foot length, which are based around the British foot, but there's all slight differences. between them. And they're all. harmonically connected. Harmonically. connected meaning a predictable ratio. >> a. I'm sorry. I'm getting I'm getting. excited. >> [laughter]. >> I get The math gets me excited. Well,

you look you look at this, for instance. This is like, you know, this is actually. the the top of a T-pillar is two double. squares. This is an interesting way of. seeing it. So if you got a double. square, that's the fundamentals of. building things like this. So that measures potentially three. megalithic yards across, but the. diagonal would measure eight royal. Egyptian feet, and the diagonal of the. square would measure 16 Sumerian palms. or five royal Egyptian feet. And so you. have all these weird correlations within. one system. So they weren't just using. one unit of measure. They were using.

multiple units, and each one was like a. kind of quality, like a different accent. of the builders who were doing that part. of the site. And they wanted to It It. meant something. So it was like a. language. >> Right. Yeah. So, you know, this is where. the whole idea of number and myth and. stories A lot of it comes from number. and measurements. And a lot of these old. measurements are subdivisions of the. size and shape of the Earth. So they. must have had an understanding of the. size and shape of the Even in Testepela. This is what's so intriguing. So these.

numbers are divisible by the. circumference? Is that what Something. like that? Various ones are, yeah. Some. of them are, yeah. And And like as you. go This is a close-up of like enclosure. D, for instance. >> With all this data, how do you know what. to throw away? Well, this is when you get into anything. like So I've got a few like the the. numbers here. I don't want to burn. people's brains apart here, but this is. uh the numbers here. We've We've got a. few half measures here like 13.5 or So I. wanted to just show some examples. But. you only, you know, you could put a list. of 20 different types of 18 different.

types of foot measurements or remens or. palms and things like this, but they're. all they're not exact numbers. They're. not 18 or they're not 17 or they're not. 12. They're point something. So remove. all the anything with a point. >> Okay. and just go with whole numbers. And this is where all the magic starts. coming out, cuz you realize one. measurement. could be something another whole number. of another measurement, another whole. number of another measurement. So you. you keep finding all these correlations, then you kind of work downwards until. you get to a few different ones they. were definitely using, which really are.

the Persian foot, which is 1.05 ft. Or. there's also the megalithic yard is used. all the time in Testepela. You've also. got the Sumerian foot, you've got the. Assyrian foot, you've got the Saxon. foot, which isn't actually Saxon. It's. actually much earlier than that. And. this is so bizarre. Let me see See if. I've got the right image here. No. Let. me just go back a couple of shots here, because this is um. Oh, it gets really really interesting to. me. Yeah, let's go back to this one. Because.

these variations of the foot, they're. like they're harmonic fractions. different to one another. And so you could actually just, you. know, put them in a table. You could. actually calculate it in your head. arithmetically, you know, in arithmetic. really easily. You don't need to work it. out on calculators, cuz it's like 11 to. 12 or 21 to 22 or or, you know, 58 to. 56, you know, the differences in the. slight variations. If you do it just. like like that in your head, like the. ratios, and so it's quite easy to. understand. So I think they were using.

four or five different measurement. systems, and they're all based upon the. measurements of the Earth. So again, we. go back to the Book of Enoch. They were. going to measure. Right. >> And I believe that they were were doing. that. They were sending teams out around. the planet, and they were they wanted to. understand what was going on with the. Earth. So the earliest phase of. Testepela, they were doing this. And. this is where the Book of Enoch kind of. picked up that kind of story. Right. They're talking about taking these cords. off and going to measure. And so that is. where I'm I'm still I'm still into this. I'm still writing about this. I'm still.

going further into this, but the. evidence is there now. I mean, >> Well, what evidence are you talking. Artifacts of people. >> Just the numbers. You can just work with. the numbers. And this is what's so. interesting, cuz this is something that. the archaeologists have zero interest. in. I couldn't even get officially any. of the measurements of the site. I had. to go in and use every old map I could. find and work it all out. Some of these. may be a tiny bit off. I'm still working. on this. But. when you find numbers, you find. geometries, you find orientations. They. They even mark north, south, east, and.

west accurately as well. They do? >> Using modular geometry, which is the. work of Howard Crowhurst. So the modular. geometry is like on the right there, where you have squares placed upon each. other, but always north, south, east, west. And we see any of these measurements. used in by by the Olmecs, the Aztecs, Incas, anything on that side of the. Earth? Uh probably I I haven't looked at. that yet. I'm so focused on this and the. British sites as well. But like on the. right The image on the right there, you see you've got there's there were.

some research done by these um. uh. researchers from uh Tel Aviv University. um Avi Goffer, I think, and Gil Haklay. And they found if you. draw a point in the middle of each of. the main enclosure, it forms a forms a. perfect equilateral triangle. So and they're and they're the same. measurements on each side. So they were. working with equilateral triangles, at. least. So that's what they realized. But. then Howard Crowhurst came in and. realized that alignment, the yellow line.

between the two central T-pillars of two. of the enclosures, is actually a triple square diagonal. Oh my god. >> So And so this is where And then. suddenly, oh, so if that's the case, then you draw other squares around. there. They knew north, south, east, and. west. They weren't supposed to know that. then. Right. That wasn't supposed to. happen to the pyramid age, you know, that kind of thing with the Great. Pyramid. And so little little things. like that you you don't You take Most. people take for granted. They think, "So. what?" But they must have known. How. close is it? I mean, this is exact. It's. It's exact. [laughter] It's perfect,

yeah. It's absolutely perfect. And so. this is what's so It gets And it gets. weirder and weirder the more you start. looking into it. And so this is, you know, I'm I'm at the kind of halfway. point, maybe two-thirds into this mega. chapter I'm doing on this. uh for the new book. But I think it's going to turn out If we. can get some exact measurements out of. some of these sites, get permission to. go in and actually measure them, it's going to go We're going to go. crazy. But then you have sites You have. other sites in the whole region. Obviously, this is fascinating to me uh. because you have double square, again.

the modular geometry base, hiding. measurements. There was actually an old. quote I can't remember the quote exactly. from John Michel. He's like my kind of. hero. He wrote the book The View Over. Atlantis and also Ancient Metrology. He. wrote the book Megalithomania. He did? He gave us permission to use the name. for our conference, yeah, funnily. enough. And um. what he found was He says. it's always. like at Stonehenge, he said it's always the top stones, the. lintels, that will hide the measurement systems.

of the priestly elites. It's not the. lower ones, cuz they'll get damaged and. knocked around. Look at the top stones. So this This double square. is the top part of the T of the. T-pillars. So So the So he was right. He was saying. that 20, 30 years ago. And now we're finding that at Göbekli. Tepe. The top part of the site is where. the magic is, where the real. measurements and the their kind of. knowledge is positioned. And so this is. I mean, this is interesting to me. If If. If these measurements are encoded inside. on the T-pillars themselves, then we can.

work out what they were trying to tell. us. >> That's right. >> Mathematically, at least. Yes. So if the. T-pillars are If they leave one in the. quarry, then this this looks like it. engineering being passed down, yeah. >> This is This is very much This is. science. This is a very early science. And the planning is extraordinary. It. is. And the advanced planning. It is. And I think, you know, there's a subtlety to it as well. And. the abstract nature, which makes them feel just so. intelligent, these people. Yes. So. intelligent. And But in a in a kind of.

in a different way to us. We think. intelligence is all academic. To them, it was a subtle intelligence, understanding the laws of nature, coming in and encoding that within these. sites. Why would these Why would the the. solstices be so important to people that. aren't really agricultural yet? Well, this guy This guy's way back, actually. This goes back to the. Paleolithic era, actually. Let me just. There's There's a couple of things here. So we're talking about some of these. caves again.

So we go back to this. This is all the. alignments of the solstices, you know, in the Paleolithic caves. And the. traditions there And then this is This. is anthropological research which has. been done on hunter-gatherer societies. There's a gentleman called Brian Hayden, an author, brilliant author. He's. written about this. This This is based. on his some of his research. And I've. been reading all this stuff. I just. found him basically and it's blown my. mind that. solstices weren't about necessarily. about anything to do with growing food. Or to start having a calendar wasn't.

necessarily about food production and. things like that. It was more about. understanding the laws of nature, but. also it was about when to do your, you. know, tribal feasting, when to time your. initiations, the rites of passage, when. to, you know, have ceremony and things. like this. It wasn't just about. practical things. It was like spiritual, ritualistic things as well. And the the way they worked that out. is because he studied hunter-gatherer. societies from all over the world that.

anthropological data has been picked up. from over the last few hundred years and. found that that was the case. Many of. them, a majority of them in fact, even. in North America as well, that that, you. know, the Native American groups here, they do the same thing. They have caves. or they have orientations which get. illuminated. on certain dates of the year, usually. the solstices, and then they know when. to do ceremonies, they know when to do. their feasting, they know when to do. certain things. And only later, you. know, it became useful. for agriculture. Right. So so you know.

so this is it's the other way around. People, you know, this is this is the. whole. >> That's a great point. And so cuz you. look at Karahan Tepe, you know, you have. the whole winter solstice alignment. there. That would have been a really. useful calendar, a really useful marker. Um. But everyone can use and understand the. sun stops. >> Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, there's actually some work of Dr. Martin. Sweetman. who I who I have a lot of time for. I'm. just seeing if I got. an image of some of his research here. I. can't find it. But he. actually I think he's got it on Göbekli.

Tepe pillar 43 as well. >> He's been published, yes. >> Oh yeah, he's an academic, yeah. He's. for sure. So he's he's done not only at. Karahan Tepe, he's found a calendrical. system in the pillar shrine counting the. different, you know, pillars and things. like this. He's also found it on pillar. 43 here. A perfect kind of lunar. lunisolar calendar they call it. >> This is the vulture stone. So what's. happening here? >> is the vulture stone. So this he's. basically counting the different V's. So. and then the but it's quite it's not. that complicated, but it's it's kind of.

explained here. You got the one lunar. month is one of the V's. 11 lunar months because there's 11 of. these squares equals 354 days and you. got 10 more of these upside down and. upright triangles which equal 10 days. which makes 364 days. Then he believes the vulture or the sun. symbol. would make up He believes it was the. summer solstice. It could easily be the. winter solstice as well. Mark made made. the final day. So it was a basic. counting thing for a lunar solar. calendar. And the same thing's been. found at Karahan Tepe. And you must.

remember. that within a couple of hundred years of. these sites being built on Karacadag. mountain just north of Göbekli Tepe, the. first einkorn wheat was produced in an. agricultural farming manner. And that's. where the agricultural revolution kicked. off within 200 years of these sites. being constructed. And then because all. the evidence at Göbekli Tepe and Karahan. is that they're talking about all the. evidence they found that they were wild. plants, they were wild animals, there.

was hunting, there was collecting, they. were doing all these things, but there's. no evidence of growing food or. agriculture. But within a couple hundred. years they probably got to a point where. they wanted to settle down and they kind. of wanted to hang out at Göbekli Tepe. and these other places. And then they said, "Well, let's let's. grow the damn stuff ourselves just over. there." But let's They built all these. They They They created all these huge. hunting traps. So when migrating animals. were coming, they coerced them into. these giant all these walls built around. them in big kind of keyhole shapes to. then trap them and funnel the animals.

into these pens and kill them all. This. is the at during the same time? >> All around the area you find loads of. these hunting traps. They're called. hunting kites, I think. And there's some. of them have been found in Saudi Arabia. and other areas as well. And so they. were realizing that they could stop and. then they started breeding the animals. and things like this. Then they started. growing the food. So this is when this a. sedentary lifestyle began, you know, after these sites were built. Cuz most, you know, for a long time people were. thinking, "Oh, they must have, you know, they must have. kind of created agriculture and then. decided to build these sites based upon.

that." Well, that's what we're taught. Yeah. But also you have um. some of the Sumerian stories of Enki and. Enlil and all this kind of stuff. They. talk about giant structures being. created. They talk about giant lofty. enclosures and things like this being. built on hills and there were channels. and water was being directed. And you. see all these water channels at Göbekli. Tepe now where they're harvesting. rainwater. And at Karahan Tepe which. we've seen already. And then after that, the the food.

domestication, animal domestication. started taking place. This is all in the. Sumerian stories. And so I believe they. would, you know, Andrew has talked about. this briefly as well. They're they're. going on about this. in Sumerian stories, but they were. talking about the Taş Tepe era. [clears throat] in kind of myth and. story. And so I think there's a lot more to. what was going on here than people. realize. This we take you know, you got. to remember until night the mid-1990s or. 2000. >> [snorts]. >> no one knew any of these places existed.

No. They were just a rumor. Right. All the cultures passing through. Southeast Turkey, you know, you got the. Sumerians, you got the Hittites, you got. the Assyrians, you got the Babylonians, you got the Christians, you got the. Muslims. All these cultures. walking over the literally they're like. digging into the same hill and putting. burials in like at Göbekli Tepe and. seeing it as sacred somehow. They sort. of felt it was sacred. Probably because. of the myths that had. been around for a long time. Um so no. one knew anything about it. And so all.

this kind of history has been written. about, but there's a whole chapter. missing. The chapter is now being read. and he's being written. And so this is. what's happening in Southeast Turkey. Uh it's fact Before the discoveries, were were people look at the Sumerian. texts and and wonder, "Where is this. place? Where is this cuz they're talking about. places?". >> What they assumed they assumed it was. in, you know, Iraq. Right. >> Iran, all this kind of thing where it's, you know, Fertile Crescent. all kicking. off now. Um but there's a lot of, you.

know, there's a lot going on down there. as well long before the Sumerians, you. know, like you have Jericho for. instance. This is. famous. Everyone knows Jericho. Mhm. [clears throat] This is like. But there was also a summer solstice. sunset alignment. In Jericho? In Jericho. in the tower itself. This is the oldest. city on Earth, yes? >> Yeah, this is like, you know, a bit. younger than Göbekli Tepe and all that. >> [clears throat]. >> But this is the work again Ran Barkai. and Roy Liran. These are the guys who. have found standard units of measure at. other Taş Tepe sites and in Natufian.

sites. This is a whole different thing. to what they're finding in Göbekli Tepe, but they're finding the Persian foot and. Persian cubit. as a standard unit of measure in many of. the Natufian sites, but that's another. story. But this this is the alignment in. Jericho. So. so all these stories may have been. reflecting into Jericho, they may have. been reflecting further north into. Göbekli Tepe. And also, I'll come back to that in a. moment. But also you have all along the. coast. you have sites like Atlit Yam Atlit Yam.

are being discovered. off the coast you know under the water. of Israel and. they found semi-stone circles, cut. marks, you know, [clears throat] stone. wall corridors that align to the summer. solstice. So all that's all in the area, you know, of the of that whole kind of. biblical area. So. it gets weirder and weirder the more you. dig. If you date date it to the same. time and why is it underwater? This goes. back This goes back to about 7,500 BC.

It's underwater because of the water. levels have just risen 400 ft. >> I was trying to get a flood myth story. Yeah, well yeah, I mean there's there. are, you know, there are certain ones. that kind of come into that as well, but. there's a lot around the coast there. that suggest especially. Levantine coast, Israel and that and. which do suggest that there was a lot. more going on and it must be this old. because that's when the water levels. were much less at the end of the last. ice age and a little bit after that as. well. And but you also have the.

connection with um. Malta which I find interesting because. that whole. place was much bigger and connected. to the mainland Europe in the. Mediterranean as well. >> And that and they found evidence off the. coast of Sicily. of a gigantic like what 15 14 m long. megalith at the bottom of the ocean. which dates back to 10,000, 11,000 years. ago. They're like, "What the hell?" So. there's stuff going on there as well all. under the water.

So yeah, the more you get into this the. coastal stuff is a whole other thing as. well. There's also evidence that they. were navigating from Mediterranean edge. of Turkey. over to Cyprus. going back to at least 12 to 13,000. years ago. And we're talking quite large. amounts of people going back and forth, quite big boats. It's all trade, merchants. Yeah, and and people, animals. They They proved it by animals. Oh. That's how they do that. And. obsidian and things like this. Well, no. one knows what's going on here because.

they found evidence of seafaring going. back 100,000 years in Crete and Greece. because they found obsidian on certain. islands. that could only have got there by boat. You know, things like that. So the. seafaring nature of history has been. deeply overlooked. The whole. diffusionism thing as well. I I agree. And so so even the people of Göbekli. Tepe may have been sailing and this is. how they could have got around the world. to measure the Earth in ancient times. I. mean there's no denying the DNA is is. around the the planet that's coming from. different places. Diffusionism is a real.

thing. >> Yeah, for sure. And I I think there's. more evidence of that is going to come. to light. the more we get into this this kind of. stuff. Um. But there yeah, there's so much I mean. there's got I mean I want to talk about. a couple of other sites cuz I've cuz. I've got a feeling some of your um. your watches and your listeners watches. Watches. Nice to do. [laughter] Well, let's take. a quick break and we'll we'll get back. into this. I'm very excited. We're back. in a sec. I wanted to ask, have you found any. correlation with latitude, longitude.

with these sites? Is there any. meaning? That I'm starting to I'm. starting to look at that now. I've got. most of the geometry work done. Um. I think there's I think we're going to. find things, yeah. I think we're going. to find it. With the problem is with. it's a very limited area, the whole Taş. Tepeler area. I mean, there is one thing I found like. um there's a connection. between Peru. and Göbekli Tepe. Interesting. If you. draw a line like for instance, it's too. high now. If you draw a line say between.

the middle of Göbekli Tepe enclosure D. and the Coricancha in Peru, it's um. I feel I should have an image of it. here. Somewhere. I don't know if I got. I'd love to see that. Yeah, yeah. And the line is from the middle of the. enclosure. That's that's pretty precise. >> accurate, yeah, yeah. Let me just see if. I hope I've got the image here. If not, there you go, yeah. It's here. Oh, wow. So, this isn't necessarily about. latitudes, but this is quite interesting. uh because it comes back to the. canonical numbers.

So, this is This is years ago I kind of. spotted this when I was messing about on. Google Earth. But if you draw exact line. between the middle of enclosure D and. the middle of the Coricancha, which is. the sacred center of the Inca pre-Inca, whatever. This is 7,928. mi. That is the known diameter of the Earth. at the equator, but in canonical tradition, it's 7,920. mi. That's a kind of sort of round. number. And that's 8 * 9 * 10 * 11. So, this is all the arithmetic that the.

ancients were doing. So, there has to I. mean, how can how can they do I mean, is. that a coincidence again? I I don't. think so. I mean, the number 11 shows up a lot in. these ancient sites as well. Yeah, you. do Yeah, actually some of the enclosures. have 11 stones in as well. Usually 12, but 11 as well. But and also like here, some of the carvings here as well. I. wrote this article on Graham Hancock's. website years ago. Yeah. Like the. the ones on the um. left there of that photo, they're from. Cutimbo and Sillustani in Peru. The one.

two on the right from Göbekli Tepe. And. they're almost identical style. I mean, this is the style you you're probably. going to find people are going to do 3D. reliefs, but it's kind of interesting. Even Graham Hancock put that in his. book, you know, when he went to visit. these sites as well. He found that he he. compared these sites, you know, not. necessarily this alignment, but. certainly, you know, the connection can. be found. Yeah, I see it. I believe it. Let's look. at a couple of other bits while we're. here then if you like interested in a. bit of that. I mean, obviously, you've.

got the uh. you've got the Göbekli Tepe Easter. Island thing as well. It's kind of. intriguing. You know, you're getting the. same kind of hand signals. You're. getting the same kind of style. Um. Easter Island has always confused me. because it's in the middle of nowhere. >> yeah. I know. It's it's it's such a. strange place. Even have polygonal walls. there as well. Is that right? Uh in a. place called Vinapu underneath like. where the moai stand upon the platforms. And you know, how did that get there? Did that come from Peru? Did it come. from another part of the world? Um.

Yeah. >> I don't think a lot of people realize. the moai statues, a lot of them have. bodies. Oh, yeah. Yeah, all the way down, yeah, yeah. I mean, >> Why would Why would you. build a 30-ft statue and bury 20 ft of. it? That is And that's one of the things. you get on the island there. Some of. them are just sort of torsos, but some. of them go much further down like below. the kind of groin area. Uh and but you always have these hands. on the navel. You know, and the navel is. like traditionally it's like the navel. of the world, Easter Island. Traditionally, Göbekli Tepe means navel.

or potbelly hill. Oh. >> name. >> Okay. Very very odd. And so and then you. have the navel is also the Coricancha. or, you know, the center of the Inca. tradition was known as the navel. as well. So, you have all these. different navels, something that comes. up over and over again. Now, this is an image from the book. It's obviously this is hand-drawn kind. of stuff we were playing with. And you you're interested in like. different latitudes and distances and. things like this. Um. Now, this is like a bit weird because,

you know, we have some. distances between sites are bizarre. Like for example, the distance between. Stonehenge. and Göbekli Tepe is exactly 1 million. Persian feet. Exactly 1 million? Yes. [laughter] It's. so weird. Um okay. I don't know how to. what to make of that, but what we know. is the Stonehenge, the exact location of. Stonehenge, there used to be a mound at. the center which was part of a system of.

studying the solstices in 10,000 years. ago. Which we can have a look at in a minute. perhaps, but what is bizarre though is. that the Persian foot, which is 1.05 ft, is. found throughout Göbekli Tepe. It's. found. in Stonehenge known as the British long. foot. >> [gasps]. >> And also, the mile the standard English mile is. 5,000 Persian feet. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] And so what.

it just gets weirder and weirder. And so. and then you can sort of find all these. other correlations. Like for example, Delphi also a navel site, center of the. world, is exactly 900 mi, which is exactly 5. million Samian feet. It's another another one of the foot. kind of variations. >> Not 5 million and 1? No, no, no. It just happens to be Oh, it. could be. I mean, it depends where. >> Right, but But but it's just it's just. little little intricacies like this uh I. find kind of bizarre. We've got other. ones here. Um.

We've got symbolism from Australia on. Aboriginal elders being found at Göbekli. Tepe. Um something that Andrew discovered. years ago that from Göbekli Tepe to. the Great Pyramid is exactly 1,080 km, which is an interesting number cuz 108. is a lunar number. It's also a. processional number we find in distances. between sites around the world. Um and you could just go on and on and. on. I mean, you keep finding.

correlations here. And also Yeah, actually Jericho's interesting. It's. exactly 2 million Saxon feet away. Now, whether they were counting in. millions Right. >> is a whole other story. It's probably. based upon certain mile lengths anyway. which the Saxon foot may have been used. within or Samian foot in some cases. So, yeah, you can go on and on with this. It's. it's pretty uh Yeah, and I kind of cover. that in the book, obviously. Um I see you have the Baalbek stone. there. There's an angle correlation? There is an interesting angle. correlation actually, yeah. Um.

Yeah. So, this that's the one where we. saw um. in a slightly earlier image I just sort. of find that. >> I think the biggest quarry stone ever. Yeah, the the Well, the the largest one. they found relatively recently is 1,650. tons. I think I've got some images of. Baalbek here. Um and this is actually a. here here, yeah. So, so we have the one on top which has. none of the text on it. That is That's. the stone of the pregnant woman. That's. about 1,000 tons.

Yeah, just 1,000 tons. That's all. And. the one beneath it, they found to be like 1,650. tons. Hasn't been moved. It's still in. in position. So, they may not have ever. got around to moving or they may have. been chopped into smaller areas. Uh but there's there's other ones in the. whole area. We've got references to. giants building these. Uh here's an. article I wrote years ago for Atlantis. Rising magazine. But this is one of the stones in the. temple itself cuz there's like a giant. platform there.

Here's some other stones. You can see me. standing down there. >> Yeah. These [clears throat] are down the. north side. Any theories on how that big those big. stones got into place? Giants. Giants? That's kind of Yeah, well, that's the only theory I've got. >> board. And there's me as well standing. there with This is like the trilith on. the three megastones which are about 800. tons each. So, these are smaller than the ones. found in the quarry, but still, my god. I mean, it's a. serious operation. You can't really mess. with that. But and the alignment, this. is something that Howard Crowhurst came. up with which absolutely fascinated me.

and I've actually we actually included. it in the book as well. This is. the Göbekli Tepe to Baalbek the 3 2. square alignment. See, this is the based. upon his his system of modular geometry, which is using squares north, south, east, west to the left and right of each. other. And then you work out what the. angles are between three to four five. squares. And they're always very. meaningful angles. Very meaningful and. they often relate to solstices, which is. where his work is focused on in Brittany.

and in Britain, but he's now applying it. to Taş Tepeler sites as well. We're. starting to look at that. We found. golden section angles with the solstice. at Karahan Tepe for instance, which. we're going to look at. Golden It's like. the golden ratio like phi? Yeah. It's. really really odd. And um How about. Fibonacci numbers? Do those show up? As far as I'm aware, not yet, but we're. you know, leave it with us. We're going. to keep We're going to keep [laughter]. looking. I bet they do. So, this is. fascinating. So, this is the Göbekli. Tepe to Baalbek angle. And like the. thing about Baalbek as well is that the.

area it's built upon is an old tell or. an old tepe. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, this is this could go back. thousands and thousands of years anyway. It was originally. a kind of outpost of Göbekli Tepe. No. T-pillars or anything, but certainly. something was there. It was an. occupational mound. That's what they. call them. People living in and around. that mound. And then there's Phoenician. evidence there. There's Roman evidence. They But it's claimed that the Romans. built the whole thing. But there's no. evidence of Romans moving 1,000-ton. stones to create a platform to build. their temple upon. It's almost like they.

found it like that and then built upon. it. Yeah. It's more likely. Um And so yeah, you can just um. go I mean going to Balbek was one of the. most. My god, it was one of the most. mind-blowing things I've ever seen in my. life, I think. Um. But, there's so many There's so many. more sites here. Let me just look at. some of the sites in Testepla. I think. your. your watches uh. listen to can't call them watches. This. is. >> [laughter]. >> Everything goes back to Enoch. >> Yeah, it's appropriate in the biblical.

text there. Um, so, this is Sayburç. Now, it you you were talking about. numbers, getting into all the night. So, so, one of the things about the name. Sayburç, which really caught my I mean, I literally worked this out on a bus and. a translator when I was in Turkey. I'm. like, "What What does Sayburç mean?" And. say means counting. Burç means sign of the zodiac. Or burk in Turkish means tower or. watchtower. And we found out from This. is like one of the main Testepla sites. they're now they're now excavating. We.

found out that there used to be an old. Jericho-like tower at Sayburç that got. destroyed in this manner in the Second. World War. Wow. >> Yeah, and so, that's actually hidden in. the name. And so, this is clearly So, this is This is a scan of the enclosure. I love these. >> This is about 30 ft wide. uh or thereabouts. 32 ft In fact, I've actually done some. number work on this and found sacred. measurements. Um. But, if we go on, you can actually see a. different view of it here. You can see.

there's a hole carved into it there. >> Yes. Now, this is we find this in quite. a few of the sites now. And there's a. good. good evidence that these may have been. early forms of Shiva lingams. What's a. Shiva lingam? >> This is an ancient kind of traditional. Indian or Southeast Asian um. installation stone installation of a. phallus-type kind of lingam. And then. the. yoni-shaped bowl. You know, I mean, I. don't know how I've written a whole. chapter about this, actually. But,

Sayburç is interesting because the. geometry of this enclosure is the same. as what we're finding in the British. stone circle. Same we're finding at. Göbeklitepe. You can see this This is. one of the one of the egg shapes. Very. very specific. Do you find these in ancient Indian. sites as well? Uh no, I haven't looked I. haven't properly looked just yet. But, the whole Vedic connection with this. part of the world is very very. interesting. We're We're looking into. that more and more. Um, but Sayburç, this is one of the key sites. And one of. the interesting things about this as. well is that this is right next to Look,

if you look here, all right. See the on. the left there, you've got all the kind. of rock, you know, rock-cut square-cut. area. That essentially is a Roman quarry. Okay. >> They got that close to this enclosure. but didn't destroy it or harm it in any. way. And so much so that just where that. Roman quarry is, we're talking 2,000. years ago, there's this little area here, which. they didn't touch. And this is an. ancient Testepla carving. It's this one here.

And so, this is like a serpent head kind. of shape with all this. dots and kind of symbolism around it. Could be something to do with a serpent. or leopard. We just don't know. But, they left that alone. And they stopped. quarrying there. So, there's a theory, which I'm putting forward, that the. Romans discovered Testepla. The whole. Wow. >> a Roman quarry very close to Karahantepe. on the the opposite hill. There's a Roman quarry not too far from. another big one right next to Sayburç. itself and on another hill.

And there's also one near Göbeklitepe as. well. And so, this is odd. So, there's a. good chance. And I'm sure if I scan. through any old Roman Latin text, we're. going to find something They found. certain things. >> Yeah, they would have documented this. Have you been able to date those. quarries so we know when in the empire. they happened? >> No, I know I'm going to This is. something I haven't looked into yet. But, it's just that that this anomaly. here at Sayburç really caught my. attention. Um Cuz you could see someone. like Hadrian would have been respectful. of these old sites. >> is what I mean. There seems to be this. respect cuz they weren't they weren't.

destroying anything. They were getting. right up close to it. And when they saw. something, they stepped back and like. left it alone probably just thought, "Leave that. Don't want to mess with the. the. spirits or anything like this.". Um. So, this is This is like what's. happening at Sayburç. They They started. excavating this couple of years ago. Giant megaliths, rock-cut. zones, big U-shaped stones as well as. T-shapes. This head was found. Um, we knew about. this. months ago before it got announced to.

the public, but we had to keep quiet. about it. Uh. you know, in respect to the family. member who told us about it. That's a C-3PO-looking dude. And then. this is what it actually looks like in. full. They've actually found this the. rest of the statue. Very bizarre-looking. thing. So, we see that V-shape quite a. bit, don't we? We're going to see Yeah, you see the V-neck thing quite a bit. And if you look at his mouth, it looks. like it's sort of being sewn up. And his. eyes look a bit like what people call. mollusk shells. This is a tradition in. the Levant burial where they would sew.

the mouth up and put mollusk shells and. then plaster the corpse. So, is that a representation of that? Um, when he looked at Göbeklitepe, but. there's some other sites here we might. want to have a quick look at. So, we looked at Nevalı Çori as well. This is one of the sites that was being. excavated way back in the 1980s. by actually by Klaus Schmidt. This is. what inspired him and made him realize. there was something significant at. Göbeklitepe from the original discovery.

there in 1963. But, when he was when he. was uh. uh. excavating this place, it was by the river It's by the kind of, you know, Euphrates River and a stream. coming off It was called the Kantara. stream. And they found these square. enclosures. And they found this building on the. bottom right here. Really really. bizarre. This is like I've done a whole. thing about this in the upcoming book. about innovations of the Testepla. people. >> This is a strange building. >> So, there was an actual like 16-m long.

building. So, it was set like 50 50-odd. feet. >> Yeah. And And underneath it had these. kind of carved channels. Yeah. So, what. would happen is And inside the building, it would have these little stones you. could move and you could open them up. And so, the water from the cold freezing. cold stream would come in. Oh my goodness. >> And they would open up the little. things and they and it would cool the. whole air down. This is a central air. system. >> This is the first [clears throat] air. conditioning in the world. >> Wow. And uh so, this And this is 8,500.

8,300 BC. So, little innovations like that that. get overlooked. But, if you look into. it, you're like, "Hang on a sec. You. know, there's a reason they're doing. these little things." Yeah. >> Um. This is the terrazzo. This is where the. terrazzo was first discovered in this. region. It became favored and they found. older versions of it now. This is kind. of what some of it looks like. They have. larger stones within the cement-type. mix. And this is the the Vedic connection. This is a. very large stone head, probably about. this big, that was found at Nevalı Çori. It's a.

shaved head. with a serpent on the back of it. It. looks like a Sikh ponytail of a Vedic. priest. >> Mhm. This is where the Vedic connection. really began. People kind of think, "Well, how on earth could this design be. here? What's going on?". We have other other things like this as. well. This is like a kind of wing This. is what Andrew calls the first kind of. angel cuz it's like a It's got a winged. robe coming coming around this very. strange-looking creature. It's only. about this big. It's only about a foot.

tall. And again, it's from Nevalı Çori. And we. have this totem pole as well from Nevalı. Çori as well. Again, another 3D scan. So, you have like a vulture on top. You. have a human figure. You have other kind. of serpentine elements to it. Much of. it's been broken off. But, you can see almost it could shows. the different kind of hair and. everything else and the wings. What's. your take on the vulture's Cygnus. connection with the with the. constellation? Well, that's actually. something that Andrew is very much into. He believes that the different.

orientations of the enclosures at. Göbeklitepe significantly. mark the different movements of Cygnus. as they change over centuries. And he believes that there was like a. kind of portal into the Milky Way where. the soul would travel after death. Right. >> Cuz often these hold stones Göbeklitepe. at least were in the north where, you. know, the the soul would go to. Um, and. then into the Milky Way into the dark. rift. And it was all these And he he. discovered all these traditions that may.

be associated with that. So, there's. this Cygnus alignment certainly with. these with these temples. Now, I think. this is very profound, you know, in my. opinion. There's also a southern. alignment that other archaeoastronomers. have put towards Cygnus as well. Sure. And they're now finding that in Malta. and. a woman called Lenny Riggit, brilliant. author, who thinks that the Maltese. temples could be almost as old as. Göbeklitepe cuz they were aligned to. Cygnus as well. >> Mhm. And. with the solstice alignments as well, it proves these guys are star watchers.

For sure. >> but And so, the problem I have is that. the archaeologists are very strongly. stating these people weren't looking at. the sky because they had roofs over. them. And I'm thinking, "Well, a. solstice alignment works with a roof.". Sure. Even the Cygnus and Cygnus. alignments could work with a roof. because you're looking on the horizon. Correct. >> So, you'd be below the roof in. >> That's where you would measure it. You. wouldn't measure it up in the sky. >> between the T-pillars in the gap there. So, so, the So, there's there's That's. one of the issues. And so, all our. research gets pushed aside as fringe.

research. >> Yep. because. they had roofs. But, there's no actual. evidence for roofs. I mean, over the. main enclosures Over the smaller. enclosures, the later ones people may. have lived in, yeah. But, they haven't found any actual. physical evidence for roofs. None. All. they found is two. um. negatives of where. wood may have been. Only a couple of 3 m long, what? 15. >> [clears throat]. >> maximum 10 ft long each. Right. But, that isn't even long enough to go. between two T-pillars in some cases. And.

so, it's a big question mark of like, what. is going on here? Why are they forcing. this narrative into our brains, onto. Wikipedia, into all the academic kind of. history books and things like this? >> Good luck editing the Göbekli Tepe page. They won't let [clears throat] you do. it. >> me about it. Yeah, yeah, I know. And so, yeah, I've not even bothered to think. about that. It's. And so, we don't know if there are roofs. or not, but if evidence comes forth, we'll accept it and we'll we'll work it. out. We think the astronomy cuz a lot of. it still work with certain gaps and. roofs, certain windows. Even if you're.

looking high up in the sky at stars. It's If you've got just one window, >> [clears throat]. >> you get a really precise You're sitting. on this specific stone bench, which is. carved out of bedrock, looking up at a. certain spot. You can watch the movement. really clearly, you know? This is how. Native Americans did it in their kivas. and things like this. And so, it's the. same principle. Um. So, I think you know, people have got to. look at that again, you know, and like. accept that there could be something. going on. And I think Martin Sweetman's. work has really pushed the the idea in.

the academic world cuz he he got. peer-reviewed, you know, scientific. papers. Didn't he really struggle to get. that published though? >> but he did get it published. That's the. thing. And it went ballistic all over. the world. So, that's opened up our. research. It's allowed our research to. have a bit of leeway. And actually, we're working with Martin. I'm going to. I'm kind of working on him, trying to. get him to incorporate our winter. solstice alignment into his Karahan Tepe. research cuz we think it all fits. We think it's the same his calendar he's. found there. We think it the winter. solstice sunrise alignment uh stone head.

getting illuminated would be the marker. to begin the calendar every year, if it. was a calendar. And so, yeah, there's a. there's a lot coming in the future. It. must be because the Sumerians were so. calendar-focused that they had to get. that information from somewhere. Mhm. And their knowledge of the circle and. 360° and all of that. Well, they also. had a lunisolar calendar as well. We. know that. And so, this is what was. being found in the Karahan Tepe's pillar. shrine. It's also being found on pillar. 43 at Göbekli Tepe. And so, it's highly. likely uh that influences came forth.

from this particular area. Sure. So, I'll just have to I'll have to. pause for a second. Let me just check. this. >> Take your time. I interrupted you. I. apologize. That's cool. I just get. excited. Let's just check this. I want. to find this um. couple of these other I just want to. kind of cover this. Yeah, this is. actually it's probably quite useful. actually cuz we were talking about the. astronomy. Mhm. >> [clears throat]. >> I want to just cover this. So, this is. the alignments we're talking about. This. is um. on the left, you've got the northern.

sky. That's the main strip image there. On the right, you've got the southern. sky. And you've got some of the symbolism. we're putting here as well, which may be. astronomical. For example, the H and the. O and the the moon symbol on the right. That's on one of the central T-pillars, like the neck kind of insignia area. where the V-neck is. And they could represent, according to. BG Sidarth and JJ, that that could. represent the Gemini twins cuz these are. these are just eight symbols. It's two. figures facing each other, holding kind. of hands or dancing or something. Yeah.

Below that, you've got a a lunar and a. solar symbol as well, which is really, really interesting. You've also got at. the bottom of the pillar, on the base. there, seven flightless birds, which. could represent Pleiades, some people. say. Right, the Seven Sisters. Yeah. And. also, you've got this little artifact. here, but this big about 3 in tall. uh of or carved on bone. of It looks like a person looking. between two T-pillars at the night sky, possibly with Cygnus carved on the bone.

plaque as well. And so, you get all. these little symbolism, all this little. sort of symbols on these, you know, pieces of stone. And yet, there's no according to the. archaeologists, there's nothing going on. there to do with that. >> Yeah, they say there's no astronomy at. these sites. Absolutely. Um. So, like this in the southern sky. looking at Gemini, then Orion would also. factor in as well. >> Yeah, and yeah, you get Taurus as well. and other such things. In fact, JJ's. done a lot of research on what's called. the Golden Gate of the ecliptic and how. she thinks the whole north to the. southern sky were moving along this.

certain path. Um it's very She's actually very smart. and got this all down. She's going to be. putting a whole chapter in the book. about it. And so, it incorporates all. these different elements and also into. earlier myths from different areas were. were doing this and later cultures as. well. And so, the astronomical side of. it, I think, really needs to be, you. know, properly examined. Yep. And uh yeah, this is uh. What was I going to show you here? Yeah, I want to show you a couple of these. other sites in the area before we uh.

don't want to miss these. So, this is a really interesting. little figurines uh from Gürcütepe. This. is the last site in Taş Tepeler in the. whole region. And they found first place they started. finding They they kind of found one at. Göbekli Tepe, but they're not sure. A. goddess figurine. Like a kind of. full-bodied woman figurine, which were. later, like in the Maltese temples, as. you can see here. Yes. These are from Malta. These are from. Haçilar.

On the right, that's the one from. Gürcütepe, which later developed really strongly in. places like Malta, which we which could. be just after Göbekli Tepe. Then the new. dating is now being put forward. But Sayburç Tepe is another site here. This is a very recent discovery of these. two stone faces carved on this giant. megalithic bench. >> again obsessed with the polish Yeah. >> on that. Yeah, I mean, there really is I. mean, the stonework is just it gets. really, really bizarre. Then you have. this like a mace head carved out of.

volcanic basalt. Two two sides to it as. well. So, there's a it's like a ring. shape. What do you think Do you think. that a staff went in there? I think so, yeah. It It looks like it's the top of a. kind of staff. It really does. You've. got two You've got two faces, one on. either side, one kind of open. And then um you've got Sayburç as well, which we looked at already. Uh but. there's there's so many so many sites. now being uncovered in this area. It It. just gets more epic the more you look. into it. >> How many Tepe sites do you think there. are? There's officially, there's uh 12.

These are the This is like the the the. the Taş Tepeler. super civilization, I call it. But. there's a lot more being excavated. There's more than even on this official. this map that came out. What does your. gut tell you? How many are going to be. found? I think there's going to be. hundreds. Hundreds? >> Yeah, I think so because I don't think. this is limited to this area. I think. they're going to start finding them in. other areas of Turkey. They're going to. find them in the Levant. They're going. to find them off the coast underwater, which they've already started doing. >> Right. There's going to be.

more and more found, I think. I think. it's going to kind of, you know, really. in the process of rewriting the entire. history of the planet. Well, look at the. resources that are required here. These. are clearly very important places. Very. important places. And this shouldn't have been happening. back then. This is the end of the last. ice age. It was actually in the ice age. a lot of these sites. >> Right. That's what's so baffling. Boncuklu Tepe goes back to when the ice. shelf was there, no? Yeah, you got So, further much further to the uh east of.

this, you've got Boy Çatalhöyük, you've got. Çatalhöyük Tepe. You've got uh Gürcütepe as well. These. are a whole series of sites. There's. even Çayönü up in that area as well, Çayönü Tepesi. Mhm. This These are. fascinating places. These are. some of them predate Göbekli Tepe. So, there's a whole And these are all along. the Tigris River. So, you've got the. Tigris River where all these sites are. going back a thousand or more years. before Göbekli Tepe. And all the Taş. Tepeler sites are closer to the. Euphrates River, the two paradise rivers.

of paradise, biblical tradition. And they both go right down into Levant, into Iraq and other places as well, where traditionally those rivers are. more famous for being there. Uh but these sites over in that area are. really interesting cuz at Çatalhöyük. Tepe, for instance, you actually find. quite small stones like this size. You. know, you can hold them in your hand or. two hands. And they have 3D relief. carvings of abstract animals and. figures. And they're 500 to a thousand years.

older than Göbekli Tepe. But they're. showing 3D relief carving, abstract. forms. So, how is What's going on there? I mean, so this is could be where that. idea came from and then blew up in the. whole of Taş Tepeler. Um. So, the jury's out on what what is going. on here. Were they trading between each. other? Were they kind of against each. other? Did they start blending and. bringing their ideas together? And I. think there's a bit of bit of everything. in there. I think it's all going to come. to light eventually when more. excavation's done. Cuz we don't have any. records, right? We don't get anything.

until the I guess the Phoenicians. Yeah, you got What you've got really is. um. really Sumerian Sumerian Phoenicians. You got even the Hittites in some. respects. You got the Hattians before. them. Keeping records. Yeah. And that's. it, really. Egypt as well. Well, Gilgamesh, they say, is much older. than when it was written down. Could be It could be this old. This is what actually I think Graham. Hancock wrote an article about that. Did. he? That that Sayburç, the narrative.

scene at Sayburç, is actually. could be a representation of the whole. Gilgamesh story, which is really intriguing. Almost said, "Holy shit." Yeah, yeah. I need to read. that. >> Yeah, that's really So, there's there's. lots of these. I mean, so little has been excavated. That's the problem. Mhm. We need more. When more is excavated, suddenly it's. all going to come into into view. We're. going to know what's going on. >> Does the government cooperate? Yeah, I. mean, there's a there's a lot of work. now. There's Japanese teams coming in. There's teams from Germany, England, and. other parts of the world all coming in.

and working on this project. So, many of. these sites are starting to get. excavated. The most recent one is going. to be Ayanis Hoyuk. You've got a. Japanese team that just started on that. like 2 months ago. And that's a new. discovery? It's Well, we we've known. about it. In fact, let me show you this. This is You're going to like this. This. is very interesting, actually, cuz. Ayanis Hoyuk was one of the sites that. was announced as one of the 12 Taş. Tepeler sites when it was all put out. there in um 2021. But we So, we went to have a look at it. ourselves, I think in like 2022. Let me.

just see if I can find this cuz this is. pretty cool. And um. I can't find it. Where is it? And we. actually found ourselves, this is it, fascinating place, a T-pillar lying on the ground. in a field. There's no question that. that's what it is. >> It's got a carving on it as well. You. can't really see it in this image, but. there's actually a small 3D relief. carving on one side of it. I mean, it's. been like plowed over. Yeah. >> But there's the plates again. >> There's plates. I mean, we got to know. We got to know the locals. They showed. us all these artifacts.

There's And they've just started. excavating. And we we we discovered. this, me and JJ, in 2020. We were just. driving. I thought, "We're just going to. look in this field. I've got a feeling. there's something in there." Just found. a T-pillar on the floor. Well, what the. hell? And so that really That really got. us. And then every year we go back just. to check in on our little pet T-pillar. Yeah. It's still there. >> Every time. >> And no one's taken it. It hasn't been. put in a museum. It hasn't been. collected. Well, where there's one, there's got to be 11 more, right? >> yeah. There's going to be a lot more. The thing with that Yanartaş This is. going to blow people away. This is.

going to be bigger than Göbekli Tepe. Okay. >> Yeah, this is going to be huge. I think. that, you know, this map here, you can see there's six, possibly seven large mound areas. Whereas Göbekli Tepe has got like four. of those, possibly, you know? And so. that's going to open things up, I think. Yeah, quite dramatically. Yeah, Yanartaş. And that actually means. giant that eats. That's what that means? >> Yeah, that's the translation, which I. think is pretty cool. >> The giants keep coming up. >> Yeah. Where are you on giants? Are you a.

giant believer? What were they? Um. I I'm I'm a bit of a giantologist. >> Okay. You could say that. >> All right. >> Uh with my with my good friend Jim. Vieira, we've written a couple of books, one on. the giants of uh North America called. Giants on Record, and also another one. called The Giants of Stonehenge and. Ancient Britain. And we are like, you know, we we kind of. a little bit skeptical, you know, we you. know, we we debunk tons of the giant. accounts that we've come across. We. we're not like, you know, we're not just.

trying to, you know, sell a book, you. know, for a story. We we genuinely find. it fascinating subject. I do, too. >> Really fascinating subject. >> to be something to it cuz it shows up in. every culture, every myth. Yeah, and you. look at like North America is is. profound. This is profound here cuz it. was the work of Ross Hamilton who wrote. the book A Tradition of Giants that got. me into all this. He's an absolute legend. We call him the. Godfather of Giantology. That's his. nickname, or the GOG, Gog. And And he's. based in Ohio, so he's in that whole. area. And it was his book that really blew my.

mind because. he uncovered hundreds of accounts, but. we've uncovered thousands of accounts. now. We We feature only 250 in our book. 250, but this even then we knew of a. thousand. >> Accounts from newspapers, from Yeah, newspapers, academic journals, doctors' reports, you know, people who just dig them up. and send them to the Smithsonian and. never to be seen again. >> right? And then even the Smithsonian's. own annual reports they published every. year or two, some of them are in there,

up to 7 ft 8 ft tall. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah, actually And we've done a whole. chapter called The Smithsonian Files in. the book just to cover that. Obviously, Nevada has a whole load, you. know, we've looked into Lovelock Cave, the Winnemucca petroglyphs and things. like that, which are 14 or more thousand. years old, which are pretty. mind-blowing. Yeah. Um. But really it's the mound culture. where the real giants are, and the Adena. people especially. But up in New York. state we found loads, up in New England,

all the megalithic chambers you have up. there. It is it is mental. It's mind-blowing. I. cannot quite understand. Maybe you. correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought. like the ancient word for Stonehenge or. something about giants in the earlier. early days. >> Yeah, it was called the Giants' Dance. It was called that That's what it was. >> Welsh, the Côr Cawr Cawr Gawr Gawr Gawr. Gawr Gawr Gawr Gawr Gawr. Côr Cawr Gawr Gawr Gawr Gawr A lot of. coincidences. And Malta we talked about Well, giants. building out that. >> Yeah, Enoch has the Book of Giants. >> You've got the goddess Inanna in Malta,

but with Stonehenge though, Yeah. so you. have this giant myth. story that kind of like the giants built. Stonehenge. They originally. Okay, this is all from the The History. of the Kings of Britain by Geoffrey of. Monmouth, 12th century document, that the stones were originally taken to. Ireland, and they were placed there at a site. called Kill Araus, and then much later King Ambrosius, who. was the kind of king at the time, sent. [snorts] Uther Pendragon over with a. 15,000 strong army to go and collect the.

stones of Kill Araus, the Giants' Dance, and bring them to the Salisbury Plain. to raise it, the these stones, in an in. honor of the slain victims of a war that. had taken place. But they couldn't do it. The 15,000. strong army couldn't move one stone. So. they had to send Merlin the magician. over there. I love this story. >> He went and got them by using slight or. magic in some stories, or. pulleys and, you know, technology in. other stories. And so.

somehow And he did it on his own and. brought them over to Salisbury Plain. That's the story. But originally the. stones had come from the furthest. reaches of Africa and brought over by a. race of giants at the very first phase. of this. Has that geology been. confirmed? Well, they've actually found. trilithons in Libya. Oh. >> Actual trilithons, actually megalithic. what look like Stonehenge, which is. bizarre. This This myths of giants in. that area as well. Um. But there's more stories of giants in. around Stonehenge. One of them is a book.

that was written in 1666, um called A Fool's Bolt Soon Shot at. Stonehenge by um. Reverend Robert Gay was his name. He. lived in Somerset. And he was a bit of. an bit of an anarchist for his time, but. he wrote this book and he found out. these all these old legends of. Stonehenge, that it was actually built. by a tribe of giants called the Cangan. giants. This is This is all in the book. So. we cover all this in the book as well. And um. And that they had built it as an as a. place to honor their dead as well.

But also, there's actual giant accounts. Actually, giant burials were found near. Stonehenge. Skeletons Large skeletons. Yeah, yeah. In 1790, just in a mound called the Giants' Grave. in Salisbury, which is a few miles south. of Stonehenge, they found a 9 ft 4 in. skeleton. And it was reported in. numerous newspapers at the time. And before that, in the early 1500s, Sir Thomas Elyot, he was the gentleman. who wrote the first Latin uh dictionary. He was He was a well-known scholar,

educated at Cambridge, places like this. He discovered a 14 ft 10 in skeleton. in a log coffin. in uh the grounds of what became known. as um. some kind of abbey in the area, but it. was obviously a much earlier burial, very very very very deep in the ground. >> Mhm. And it had this [laughter] strange. metal disc with all these inscriptions. on it. And also this book with these. inscriptions on it. Where is this? Is. that. >> This is This is near Stonehenge. >> do these artifacts still exist?

>> No. They like They disappeared within a. few years. >> Ah. But this was reported on by very. very famous but I mean, Thomas Elyot is. a well-known. >> Yes, yes. well-known guy. And so there's. lots of people went and witnessed this. and reported on it. But the range of. height went from 12 ft 10 in. to 14 ft 10 in. It changed with. different accounts. But this was like documented and it was. like, "How can this be ignored? No one. knows about this." And it's in all these. old books. Then, you know, this inscription on it, no one knows what they were or what. happened to the They called it a tin and.

lead disc. Somehow they knew it was made. of tin and lead. All these inscriptions. on it. But the skeleton crumbled to. dust, and that was the end of that. But very odd. And then you have um. If you actually go to Salisbury now, this is like the the city near where I. live, um. in the museum there, they have a giant. on display. No, not a skeleton. This is a a like a. paper mache giant. >> Okay. But the thing is, this is part of. an old tradition.

where the giant, since the 1400s, the secret societies in this area, the. the Tailors' Guild and other such. things, they would parade this giant. around the town. um just after the summer solstice and. John the Baptist's Day. Um and then have this hobby horse. following it around, all clearing the. path so it wouldn't fall on people. And. this is And this has gone on since the. 1400s. And he became known as Saint. Christopher. Now, for those of you that know biblical. saints, you'll know that Saint.

Christopher was a canonite giant from. the Bible lands That's right. >> who who carried Jesus over on his. shoulder across a river when it was. Jesus was a baby, and turned away from. this whole kind of warrior caste that he. was involved with with the canonites and. became like this um. um you know, a Christian, if you like. And. but But what How is all this connected? All these weird stories connect I mean, we go into it in great detail in the. book, obviously. We kind of uncover all. these old texts and kind of piece it all. together because there's It seems to be.

this canonite. biblical story connected with. Stonehenge. Could this be Nephilim? As. Aren't Nephilim actually on Earth? Could be. Who knows? I mean, it's it's. It gets weird. I mean, there's a lot of. accounts in Wiltshire and southeast uh. sorry, the southwest of England when it. comes to that. Um. But, you know, what let's what While I'm. on the subject of Stonehenge, I mean, I. want to just mention this because. this is really interesting. It fits back. in with. what we were talking about. So we have. Stonehenge here. This is an aerial.

photograph on the summer solstice. You. can see the way that the light from the. the stone on the far right there, you know, kind of it's like a kind of. phallic shadow penetrating the kind of. feminine circle and things like this. It's all like symbolic. But this solstice alignment, the famous. summer solstice alignment at Stonehenge, there's a much older one there. It goes. back 10,000 years. So, this is why I think the Göbeklitepe, you know, explorers, sure, were coming.

to this part of the world. Right. Um. because they found these 10,000-year-old. large pine post holes. where the car park used to be. There. used to be three blobs of paint in the. car park. Is an artist's impression of what they. would have looked like. It could have. been up to 30 ft tall. And they know it was pine. They found. charcoal and dated it. They estimated. the height based upon the width and. depth. And these were east-west, more or less. And they were within 30 yd of Stonehenge. where it is now. But also,

in Stonehenge, you have. I have to explain this a little bit. Um. in Stonehenge, you got this right at the. bottom there. You got the Stonehenge. circle. But in there, they found this mound. which is 10,000 years old. So, 5,000. years before Stonehenge was built. And. it was like had they they found this. Mesolithic kind of stuff inside there. which is basically it means that age. before the Neolithic. But then they. found from there, along going to the.

northeast, they found these parallel ridges called. periglacial strips. These are natural features. But if. you're inside at that mound looking down. these natural features, it's the summer. solstice sunrise. Yeah, which is really interesting. And. then at the bottom and at the far bottom. of the hill, there's another mound was. constructed called Knowlton mound. Based upon the guy who found it. Um but. then later, when So, that was all. happening 10,000 years ago. They may. have been looking at the solstice. In. the opposite direction, it's the winter. solstice sunset.

>> Right. But then later, they create. Stonehenge around this mound. And where these periglacial strips are, they build a carve out an avenue going. in exactly the same direction. And now. that's the one everyone celebrates for. the summer solstice. >> Yeah. So, this was happening. 5,000 years earlier. They were probably. studying the summer solstice at. Stonehenge. before any stones were put in place. And. And it's now known that Amesbury, where. where I live, this whole area,

this is the oldest continually inhabited. area of the whole of Britain. There's a. site called Blick Mead just down the. road from there which was a known kind. of gathering site. There's a spring. there. Dr. David Jacques, he's brilliant. archaeologist. I know him personally. I've been to a few digs they found. They. actually found evidence going older than. that now in the area. And Amesbury, they found going back. 12,000. um. years ago, not just 10,000. So, that. puts it right into the frame of. Göbeklitepe. So, so so, they were doing.

the solstice here 10,000 years ago at. least. Possibly could have been earlier. Now they found these earlier dates. Cuz. we keep running up against uh almost. almost feels like a hard limit of the. ice age. Yeah. It feels like we can't get. too far beyond that. Yeah, that that. that that is because especially in the. northern climate here, you're going to. have a lot of ice. >> Yeah. But the thing is, you have um. uh. I forget the name, but you have the kind. of. the the warm the warm strips of heat.

coming over from the Atlantic and. everything warming things up in Britain. Still happens today. And um. so, a lot of England would have been. cleared of ice by the end of the last. ice age. And so, they could have gone to. Stonehenge easily. They could have got. cuz it would have been joined to Europe. because of Doggerland. >> That's right. >> So, they could have walked there. And. that was that was French theory for a. long time. Now they found habitation. there. But what they found as well is uh I'm. not sure if I've got it here. Yeah, so. this is now this is actually one of my. photos from the summer solstice. So, that's the alignment going It's all.

covered in mist, the avenue. But it's pretty beautiful, beautiful. experience doing that. And um. Okay, let me just find this one image. because what they found is if you go. even if you go further north, much further north than um. Stonehenge, you can go all the way up. to should be here. Oh, there it is. Yeah. So, you can go all the way up to. Aberdeenshire. And this area here would have been just. free of ice at the end of the last, you know, towards the end of the last. ice age, yeah. And um.

Professor Vince Gaffney, he's a he came and spoke at our. conference partly about this. They found another site there called. Warren Field. This goes back to 10,000. years ago as well. And they found again these giant post. holes all in a slight arc. All in this arc going across this field. And they found. to their surprise that it aligned not. only to the winter solstice sunrise, but. it also marked the different moon. phases. So, as it was like a loony solar. calendar.

And somehow they encoded that. They call. it the the the the kind of Warren Field. time reckoner, which is pretty cool. name. >> And they were doing that 10,000 years. ago. They were measuring the moon and. the sun on the winter solstice. And so, to me, I have to question, who would be doing. this unless there was a a project in. place. >> Yeah. to go and study this. >> this is ancient knowledge. Mm. Tens of. thousands of years. >> So, this goes back at least 10,000 years. ago. And. uh you got also it's happening at. Stonehenge. And so, the thing is, the.

further north you go, the more you. realize when you're studying the. movements of the sun and the moon, especially cuz the moon, you know, literally doesn't, you know, go below. the horizon when you get to a certain. latitude north like Orkney and places. like that, that you would have easily been able to. know this you could have worked out the. size and shape of the earth by these. observations and measurements quite. easily. Right. Just from the shadows, I. think. >> Yeah. At certain times of year, as long. as you stick to the same day, you can. get different shadow lengths and things. like this. Yeah. Um and so, that is fascinating to me. So, these these are the little clues.

that I think the people of Göbeklitepe. were a scientific research project. moving around the planet all in. different directions. They wanted to go. as far north as they could. That was the. primary thing, I think. And then you. have the the Book of Enoch. Not only do. they talk about taking chords and going. off to measure, they describe horrific. weather. which would have been appropriate for. Scotland. That's right. He. >> [laughter]. >> talks about the winds being born and. things like that. >> Yeah, really extreme weather. And also. like really short, you know, really. short days and long nights which you.

would get the further north you go, you. know, things like this. Lots of little. clues you keep finding. And so, I mean. this is again, we can't prove this yet. or ever, I don't know. But hopefully one. day, but it's an interesting idea cuz. why were they making all these detailed. measurements all these different. latitudes? Cuz we you know, that the Stonehenge. latitude is is quite interesting as well. because. Is it? Well, yeah, it's very. interesting. Um because the. summer solstice sunrise alignment, which. is also the winter solstice sunset. alignment,

is marked at a specific latitude to. go at a certain angle. But it's also got what's called the four. station stones, like a rectangle around. the edge of Stonehenge. And each of the. alignments between these four stones. mark the different extreme moon cycles, the 18.6-year metonic moon cycle. And they they perfectly form this. rectangle. And then directly adjacent to. that, perfectly you know, perpendicular to that is the summer. solstice alignment. Like it like it's.

all just boom, it works. But if you were. to go 20 mi south or north, that whole. rectangle would warp to get the same. results. Right. >> almost like they chose that latitude. because it was important to them to make. certain measurements of the moon. combined with the solstice. So, when you start looking at different. latitudes, you find these different. things. You were talk mentioned this. earlier, quite interesting latitudes. I. really got to credit the work of Howard. Crowhurst. He's a great guy to talk to. as well. He's. he's a minefield of information.

And he's found that that they were using. different latitudes. Even Britain, he. started That's where he lives. He's. English, but he lives there. He found. all these different latitudes very much. focused on they would mark where the sun. would rise, the solstice. It would mark. exactly the 3-4-5 triangle and things. like this. Then when you go up to. different latitudes in different parts. of the world, it marked different angles. like the golden section Mm. or the. triple square or something like this. And so, all these different ideas. started emerging. And he's written he's.

written a lot about this. He's done it. in England. He's done it in Britain. He. started applying it to Testeplar as. well. And I think we're going to find. more and more of that that there was. this scientific, very ancient project to. go and measure the earth and study what. was going on. And it was probably to do. with. after the last ice age. It was it was to. do with cuz there's cataclysm that take. in place. Things had changed. They. wanted to all the probably a lot of. stuff got lost, a lot of sites. destroyed, a lot of information went. astray. Well, clearly there's there's. technology that's gone. Yeah. That just.

disappeared. I mean, but but even with. these, you don't you don't need that. much technology. You just need to be at. the place. and actually make the observations, keep. the records usually encoded in myths and. stories. Do you think there was. practical reasons for this, not so much. ritualistic, but we need to measure this. stuff so we don't go through that again. I Yeah, quite possibly, yeah. They. wanted to maybe it was a way of, you. know, studying the sky to see if. anything else like that may occur in the. future. And actually, you did a video. about this based on Martin Sweatman's. research about the cataclysm, how pillar.

43 may encode that. And it was like a. warning and a and a concern. They wanted. to get something down in stone so they. could warn their future ancestors and. things like this. So, it could be the. same principle. Maybe the the. information that eventually that ended. up in places like Göbeklitepe may have. been collected from these people going. around and collecting it from these. different areas of the planet. So, it's it's pretty epic when you get. into it. >> [laughter]. >> Did you study any of Venus cycles? There There Yeah, only a little cuz we.

cuz that often works along with the. winter solstice. >> Yes. And so, we found that yeah, we do find. at Göbeklitepe sorry, at Karahan Tepe. And this is really because in a book. called Uriel's Machine, Uriel's Machine, yeah, by Robert Lomas and Christopher. Knight, they It's a fantastic book. I don't know. [clears throat] if you've read it. And. it's a brilliant piece of work. And they. found Newgrange and even. Bryn Cader Idris, another burial chamber. in Wales in Anglesey, had this potential Venus alignment, which would occur around the time of the.

winter solstice every 8 years. >> Right. And it would be bright enough to. illuminate the inside of the chamber. like the sun does on the winter solstice. at Newgrange. >> [gasps]. >> So, we applied that to Karahan Tepe. Same thing occurs there. This This. starlight. at certain times every 8 years if if the. conditions are correct, um it would be. bright enough before sunrise to shine. through the porthole stone and. illuminate the stone head. That same. stone? Yeah, the one we were talking.

about earlier with the Possibly we. haven't We tried to go We tried to do. that in December, but the problem was um. that that that this part of the cycle is. that Venus was too close to the sun, so. you couldn't really see it. Right. It's. hidden behind the light of the sun. And. so, but in another, you know, in another. few years, you might be able to catch it. a couple of hours before the sun. And. then you're going to get It's going to. come up bright and you could catch a. slight illumination exactly the same. place as the sun. a few hours later. I love the theory. that that the star of Bethlehem could.

actually be Venus. >> Mhm. Which makes a lot of sense. Yeah, and I. think this is a one of the. calibration It's not a star, it's it's a. planet, but it's it's a calibration of. calendars as well because it repeats. cycle every 8 years and has longer cycle. where it retires to its exact position, um which can calibrate a longer cycle as. well, which is what we know the Mayans. and the possibly the Olmecs were doing. as well. So, there's a lot going on. in this [laughter] part of the world. potentially, you know, potentially.

>> there is. Um any more slides you want to. show us before we let you go? Yeah, for sure. Why don't we have a. quick look at this? I mean, I'll keep you here another hour. if you want. >> [laughter]. >> Want to have a quick What we're talking. about We mentioned the Mayan and the. Olmecs. I want to just mention this cuz. this is like um. Just say it's It's actually a new. discovery at Olmec land. There's not not. many people know about this. Not this. This is quite a well-known Olmec head. This is the largest Olmec head at La. Venta. in the Santiago Tuxtla town square in.

Mexico. They found 17 of these heads, but a. potential 18th has been found, which I I. want to just quickly show you. And then. this one's actually from Tres Zapotes. This is one of the known ones. But you like the 3D scan, so I just. thought I'd show this. Um shows you some. really beautiful little detail on it. They're gigantic. I mean, some of these. are up to 40 tons. >> 40 tons? >> Some of them. Most of them are about. 15-20. Would they have been resting on. the ground back then? What was the. purpose of these? Yes, these would These would have been.

resting on the ground there. Yeah, yeah. They They wouldn't have had necks or. bodies or anything like that. But yeah, these are fascinating to me. This is one of the I mean, this is much. later. This is like 1500 BC at the. earliest, really. What do you think that. hole is there for? >> That I'm not sure about. I mean, you get. a lot of this kind of obscure kind of. carvings on these. Um but what I wanted. to really show you is is this new. discovery from La Venta. They're This is a very This is only. discovered like. less than a year ago and it's not been. documented by anything academically, you. know, a couple of friends of mine, uh Luke.

Caverns, he went there. I visited it as. well and we kind of reported on it. And. this is this the one remaining Olmec. site you can visit is 1500 or 1200 BC in. Tabasco state. High level cartel activity there now. It. was very dangerous when we were there, actually. Um but this is a very bizarre bizarre. statue that was found. and it's like a female statue. It's kind. of got this kind of feminine yoni kind. of look to it. Um and it's beautifully shaped and.

carved. It's got an interior with. carvings inside it. It's partly broken. But what on earth is this? But this is so bizarre. It's I've got to. look at this again. Look at this. I mean, you've got an. entrance into it. It's almost like. female, you know, labia and things like. that. It's very very interesting. I said. and nothing like this I've seen in Olmec. land. I've been going to Olmec land for. 15 plus years. Um and so, there are new. discoveries still being made in places. like this as well. Now, the phalluses. you see all the time, but rarely do you.

see something like that. Yeah. Yeah, so. like the opposite. Then I had the chance, which is I've. been wanting to go here for literally. over 15 years. This is the quarry of the. Olmecs. This is called Llanos de Jicaro. And I've been. I didn't know if I could The location is. hidden. No one knew the location. Any. one archaeologist, who we happened to. bump into. >> [laughter]. >> in a museum that he happens to be the. curator of, Alfredo Delgado at Jalapa. Museum. Doesn't speak any English. We speak very. little Spanish, but we still managed to.

work out, "Can you take us to the. quarry?" And he said, "Yes." We're like, >> [gasps]. >> "Ah." So, we we got to go. And like the. thing about this quarry is. is that it's still used to relatively. recently as a sacred place where. offerings are still made on some of the. stones. There's loads of megaliths still. there. Like this one here, for instance, is a half-carved megalith. So, no one knows where this is? No. I. mean, even even if I knew had the. location of it, the GPS of it and I went. there, I wouldn't be able to find it. right because it's scattered around like.

several acres in private land, but it's. it's. boiling hot. It's like you can't see the. stones unless you clear away the kind of. the grass and everything. But what he. thinks he's found there is the is. another Olmec head. This one here is. literally sitting beneath me there. And. this is. like a big discovery, but no one's. interested. It's like It's not really. been documented at all. And this is a 3D scan I got. You got to. remember this has not been carved yet. This is the first phase of them digging. this Olmec head out of the ground.

>> Right. And so, yeah, not much to look at now, but it's the first, you know, piece of. the puzzle. And so, I just want to put. this on here because. you people you know, you've got to realize there's stuff. still being found. There's stuff still. hidden in places like this. And when it. comes to, you know, the whole Taş Tepe. sites, there's going to be a lot more. coming out of there as well. And so, I'm just absolutely fascinated. by that. Um. about what is coming out of the ground. Uh Hugh Newman, thank you so much for. coming in today. This has been a joy. My.

pleasure. This has been a treat. Thanks. thanks again. Um buy his books and uh. where can we find you online? Yeah, sure. They can just Google my name, Hugh. Newman. Pretty easy to find. Also, we have the megalithomania.co.uk. website. We have the megalithomania. YouTube channel and things like that. Yeah, we we got over a thousand plus. videos on there and other such things. Yeah, they can they can just contact us. through there. I mean, we we we do the. obviously we do the conference every. May. It's our 20th anniversary. You can.

come along if you want to come to fancy. fancy town called Glastonbury. And we do. another conference called the Origins. Conference sometimes in November in. Wiltshire. And we have We go much more. into the deep origins of civilization, that kind of vibe, a bit less megalith, more super ancient stuff. And that's. that's a collaboration with Andrew. Collins as well. And we take We do take groups out as. well to many of these sites we've been. talking about. We take tours out there. That really helps us cuz it helps fund. our projects cuz we're completely. independent. This is like a full-time.

thing. We really. want to have time to focus on our. research and getting the books out and. getting the research, you know, put in. place. And it takes a lot of time and. energy, as you know, with this kind of. thing when you're researching your your. shows. It's it's it's pretty intense. And we encourage people to, you know, check out what we're up to and maybe. join us in Turkey or in some other part. of the world where we take groups to. We have a lot of fun. I would take you. up on that. And next time you're in, we'll talk about the haunted house you. live in. Oh my god. Yeah, [laughter]. that's a whole other story. Everybody.

So, Hugh Newman, that was dense and we. covered a lot. And I could have talked. to him for another 2 hours. So, let's. break it down. Here's what we can. verify. Hugh is the real deal. He's been. running the Megalithomania [music]. conference since 2006. You've seen him. on Ancient Aliens, all kinds of TV. shows. He's published multiple books. I can prove it. I have the books. Giants of Stonehenge, Giants on Rick. These are great. Books on Giants. Uh he published.

I'll get there. It's not a professional. operation. [music]. Earth's Grids, Stone Circles, and Göbekli Tepe and. Karahan Tepe, [music]. the world's first megaliths. I know it's small, but it's still it's. good. It's good. Look, it's [music] bigger than any book. I ever wrote. Anyway, he's been to these places dozens. of times and he's not speculating from. his couch. >> [music]. >> He's out there measuring T pillars and. flying a drone while dodging the Turkish. military. Now, the sites themselves are. well documented. Göbekli Tepe dates to. around 9600 BC.

>> [music]. >> and Karahan Tepe is dated to roughly. 9400 BC. These are accepted dates from. the German Archaeological Institute and. ongoing Turkish excavations. The [music]. terrazzo floors, the 3D relief carvings, the bedrock engineering, that's all. confirmed. >> [music]. >> We talked about Dr. Martin Sweatman at. the University of Edinburgh. He. published a peer-reviewed paper in 2017. arguing that pillar 43, [music] that's. the vulture stone, that that encodes a. date corresponding to the Younger Dryas. impact. >> [music].

>> That took them like two or three years. to get that through cuz it's. controversial, but now it's published. science. So, things may be coming. around. Alexander Thom, I've talked about him. before. He's the guy who came up with. the megalithic yard, 2.72 ft. He's found it all over ancient sites and. he came up with that number from. surveying over 500 stone circles across. Britain. And [music] he published in. Megalithic Sites in Britain in 1967. It's controversial, but. it's fun.

Now, the big claims. Hugh [music] says. he's finding those same measurement. systems, the megalithic yard, the. Persian foot, the Sumerian foot. He says. he's finding them at Göbekli Tepe and. Karahan Tepe. [music]. Now, that would push back standardized. metrology, which is the study of. measurement. It would push that back. 7,000 years earlier than mainstream. archaeology accepts. I like annoying them. He also suggests. [music]. the builders were measuring the Earth. itself, encoding its dimensions into. [music] the distances between sites. 1.

million Persian feet from Gobekli Tepe. to Stonehenge. 1 million [music] even. The diameter of the Earth encoded in the. distance to Peru's Coricancha. Now, these are huge claims, >> [music]. >> and I couldn't independently verify. those specific distance calculations. And his measurement work at the Turkish. sites hasn't been peer-reviewed yet, and. he acknowledges that. But the numbers. are interesting enough to keep watching. Now, the winter solstice alignment at. Karahan Tepe. [music]. Hugh and J.J. Ainsworth witnessed.

sunlight passing through a carved. pothole and illuminating a stone head. only on the solstice. They've gone back. multiple years, and it keeps happening. [music] You can go see for yourself. Now, if that's engineered, and it sure. looks like it is, >> [music]. >> then these people understood precision. astronomy 6,000 years before Stonehenge. Now, that's a problem for the. conventional timeline, and it's the kind. of problem I like. Look, Hugh's the guy. who shows up. He measures [music]. things. He puts his data out there for. everyone to check out. He's not trying.

to sell you aliens or lost continents. [music]. He's just saying the math doesn't add up. with the story that we've been told. And. I think he's right that we need more. [music] disciplines at the table, like. acoustics, astronomy, metrology, not. just guys who study pottery. Now, if you. want to go deeper, and you should, [music] check out his books. Gobekli. Tepe and Karahan Tepe, the world's first. megaliths. That's the one to start with. [music]. That title's so big, it hardly fits on. the tiny book. I'm sorry. I'm just joking, of course. It's good. I read [music] it last night.

Um start there. His YouTube channel I'll. probably link down below. It's. Megalithomania UK, I think. He's got over a thousand videos on. there. I've been a sub of his for a long. time. And [music] if you ever see him. talking to Andrew Collins, definitely. watch those. His website is I got to. [music] read this megalithomania.co.uk. Now, if you're feeling adventurous, he. runs tours to these [music] sites. Now, I'm thinking about taking one because he. has access to places that most people.

can't get. [music]. Tim Hogan, we had on here a couple of. weeks ago, is the same thing. I guess we. have a lot of tours coming up. Now, I've. done episodes that overlap a lot with. [music] what Hugh covered. Derinkuyu, the Megalithic Yard, Proving Atlantis, Book of Enoch. I kept going [music] back. to Enoch cuz I'm obsessed with it. Giants of Malta is an episode. All worth. a rewatch after this conversation. Did I get all of it? I think I did. Until next time, be safe, be kind, and. know that you are appreciated.

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