The Basement: Dave Paulides | Bigfoot, Vanishing Hikers, and German Physicists

Today we're talking with David Politis. David spent almost 20 years in law. enforcement. Then two rangers knocked on. his door at Euseite off duty and told. him people were vanishing in the parks. [music] and nobody would talk about it. >> Oh, you're adorable. Everything's about. the money, my sweet. >> I don't think it's about [music] the. money. >> America's national treasure pulls a lot. better than America's Bermuda Triangle. with parking. >> We cover a lot of fun stuff in this one. the disappearances, Bigfoot DNA, UFOs,

vanishings in the park, all kinds of. great stuff. After our talk, [music]. I'll come back and break down what I. could confirm and what's still up for. debate. And there's quite a bit. Let's. go down to the basement. >> So, Stacy Aerys, I read that her file. was 2,000 pages. Do I have that right? >> I wish I knew. I I don't I wonder how we. we know that because I would I tracked. that down and that's what I read that.

her file is that thick, which is about. 10 times more pages than a typical. missing person. >> I would find that hard to believe. >> Would you really? >> I really would. I don't know what they. could be doing if he hasn't touched it. in 40 years. N I don't believe that. >> Well, speculate on her case. Why Why. hold it for 40 years? It could most of the people in that file. are dead. >> Oh, 100%. I think that there's only a.

few few options. They lost it or the. investigation is so sloppy they're. embarrassed. or there's a suspect in the case and. they dropped the ball on it. >> It's one of It's two or three. I think. anything that makes them look bad is. what it is. >> It must be. So, it's. it's not um even disputed. that they don't release lists of missing.

people at the parks. It's not no one. disputes that they do not. And they say. they don't keep track of it, which which. is that's a lie. So, tell the story. I guess a good way to get into the story. would be because we were just talking. about um George outside. George Knap. reaches out to you and says, "They. didn't even use your name in the. article. I saw this on your show a few. days ago." I'm like, "Dave's pissed. today. What's going on?" So, what. happened? Substack.

There was an article that was written in. Substack. George sent it to me and said, "Dave, you won't believe this.". And it outlines the national parks. reluctance to release information on. missing people and how much they wanted. to charge. huge article and my name is nowhere in. it. >> and it's all your data and research. >> Yeah. >> That I didn't it come out the day after. your Rogan interview comes out? >> It [laughter] did. >> What? They didn't reach out to you?

>> No. >> Why do you think they kept you out of. that article? >> I have no idea. >> You tell me, please. >> I don't know. Because, you know, the Bigfoot stuff I. would say could be controversial. At. least in in my mind. One thing that's. always frustrated me about healthcare is. how often you leave an appointment. without any real answers. You're told. everything looks fine, but you're still. left wondering what supplements you. should take, how much sleep you actually. need, or what your diet should focus on.

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I had already written a few books, so I was a printed author. There's an exemption in FOIA if I asked. for. documentation that they can get that. they're supposed to put it together. Well, right away they refuse and they. say, "No, your books don't count.". I asked George, same thing. He says, "No, that's BS." He goes, "They're just. just screwing with you." And he goes,

"It's probably going to get worse." He. was right. And then I said, 'Okay. Well, >> because some of your books are. self-published, but some are not, right? Some are through publishers, >> right? >> So, you are a published author. >> Exactly. >> And. just so people who don't understand, I. might as well clear this up right now. I. could have all my books published by a. big publishing house if I wanted to. >> Oh, yes, you could. >> But. >> don't do that. >> Don't do it. Don't do that. >> because you will get 12 to 18% of the.

book. >> Now I don't make a lot of money off my. books, but it doesn't take a whiz kid to. go through the process and understand. how to make your own book, go through. your own website, and take a 100% of. those profits, >> right? >> Which is why I do it. And I don't have. the politics involved with a publishing. house. I could say whatever I want in my. books. Yeah, I bet I bet there's. publishers reaching out every week in. your email like, "Hey, we can get these. out there.".

>> Correct. >> No, you don't need any of that. >> No. So, I decide that I'm going to file a. Freedom of Information Act under using. all the formalities that are right and. correct and ask them for a list of. missing people. >> for every park. >> Every park, their entire system. And 6 months later they come back and. they say, "Well, we don't have any lists. of missing people.". >> 6 months. >> 6 months. We don't have any lists of. missing people. And we've already looked and spoke to.

the management and if you wanted us to. go out and gather that information, we. will not acknowledge your exemption. But if you wanted to pay for it, uh, if you want to list from all of the. park system, it would be $1.4 million. And if you wanted it just from Yusede. National Park, that would be $34,000. >> And that's to justify what the work. involved in compiling that list that.

they they have. >> Correct. So, I was on Coast to Coast uh I think I. was on Norris show and I talked about. this and within a couple days I get a. special agent from the park service that. calls and he said, "Dave, they are. trying to screw you. Let me explain how. this works. Each one of our regional. offices, this is has so many special. agents, right? Every special agent has a. handful of missing person case files in. their desk. Here's what it would take,

Dave. Each one of those special agents, maybe it takes them 10 minutes to type. on a computer each one of the four or. five files, name, date, location, case. number. >> And this is out of the six districts, six districts, >> each each special agent, five. >> does that. And then in each office, they. send that list to their special agent in. charge in that office, >> right? >> They cut and paste that on an Excel. spreadsheet. >> Right,

>> Dave? Maybe we're talking an hour and a. half, 2 hours max. Each one of those. special agents in the six jurisdictions. sends that to the front office. And how. long is it going to take them to cut and. paste, Dave? They were absolutely. screwing you. That's how I found out about this. >> Mhm. >> And they have the list anyway. This This. is all just words. They have it anyway. because we know for a fact they keep. track of who dies in the parks. >> 100%. >> They've been doing that since 1897. They. know every number, but they don't track.

who disappears. No, I don't buy it. >> Well, they have lists of how much toilet. paper is in Yusede National Park on an. inventory list. >> They have a list on their website of. every movie that was made in a national. park. And George Knap said one day, Dave, they are absolutely lying. They. have the list. They don't want you to. have it. >> So, you compiled your own list of. Euseite. >> Oh, yeah. That that really got me mad. >> Y.

>> So for the next year and a half, I just. did nothing but focus on Yusede. >> Wrote a couple of different books that. included Yusede cases. >> Yep. >> And guess what happened? They released a list of missing people. from Yusede. >> Son of a gun. And. what that told me though, >> and how close to that list to your list. was theirs? was they they missed a. couple of really old cases that they. probably don't want to even acknowledge. But. >> but you had everything.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. But it also told me that I miss in a lot. of cases from the other parks obviously. >> Of course. >> But. yeah, >> cuz you can't do two years per. is the I don't want to say dangerous. That's not the right word, but what park. swallows the most number of people? Is. it Yusede? >> Yuseite. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz in looking at Olympia, I think it's. Olympia National Park, right?

>> Olympic. >> Olympic. I think they're up to something. like 500 deaths. So, if bigger, a lot of. people have died in that park. >> Oh, yeah. >> Well, how long was your list of missing. people from? >> It was longer than theirs. I think it. was approaching 70 80. >> Now, you never really speculate on what. you think is happening with these. people. >> So, there was a case I wrote. This is. how confusing it it gets. There was a.

woman that disappeared in Yusede and a. National Park Service ranger took the. report. and it was obvious that she was up on a. hillside or on a cliff. and her body was found in a position at. the bottom. that the wording used by the park. service was she was launched. meaning she didn't fall. She was. launched.

Now, what they thought, how she was. launched was never made clear, but that. was in their report. And it wasn't a. missing person case. That's just a death. case, >> right? >> So, you can get that. And when I looked. at that, it was never made clear. how she ended up so far from the base of. the cliff. Nobody ever said anything about it. It. was just suspicious. And they're not going to speculate in. the case file. >> No, >> they probably wish they never wrote.

launched. Is that Is that a file that. the public can get to or No. >> Yeah. >> Maybe we'll link to it. >> Um well, since your latest your latest. film is amazing. >> I watched it a few nights ago. Washington. um for it was 41 Washington. That's what. we're calling it. >> Missing 411 Washington State. >> National Park. >> So good. It's Hollywood slick. I hope. you're proud of it. You should be. Um, I. want to talk about a couple of cases in. the movie. Some of them are really.

interesting. Jacob Gray as one. This is. very touching, but a few cases are. great. But, um, that area, everything in. your film is focused around Mount. Reineer, which has a very interesting. history. So maybe you or together we can. go back to. December 10th, 1946, Marine Corps transport planes. Can walk. us through that story. Ever notice how every nicotine option.

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Nicotine is an addictive chemical. That's why I like it. So they had a series of transporters. leaving El Toro Marine Base in Southern. California. kind of following each other up and they. were going to land at an Air Force base. outside of Seattle. And as they got. nearer to the location, the weather. started to get bad. Couple of the planes landed, couple of. them detourred, went to other locations. One of the planes never made it and was.

lost. They didn't know where it was. They didn't have a clue. And from the date that it went missing. until the date that they could even. start searching was weeks because the. weather stayed so bad. Uh there were rumors that maybe it. landed in the ocean. There were rumors. that maybe it went into Idaho. They they. were really lost. And. sometime after that, a couple months,

businessman's leaving in Idaho and he's. flying in to do business in Washington, Ken Arnold. >> Mhm. >> And as there was a reward for finding. the transport. So Arnold is flying up and he says, "Hey, I'm just going to fly by Reineer. because there was some rumors that maybe. it crashed there.". So, as he's approaching Reineer from. Baker, he sees these. three, four, five oddlooking things fly.

by him. Well, Arnold is a super smart. man. And he times. when he sees these things going by two. points. >> Mhm. >> He goes by and does the math and it's. it's going at speeds that we have. nothing in the world that goes that. fast. and he described them and they. don't really they don't look like a. common disc UFO. They look unusual.

almost almost like some planes that we. have now. >> Yeah. They kind of look like a Delta. wing. People have seen that these. pictures. >> Yeah. And uh. eventually lands tells the story. and that was really the start of the. modern day UFO era right there. >> because Ken described it as moving like. it was skip a saucer skipping across. water. >> Correct. >> So it was flying saucers and that's how. it was coined. >> Exactly. >> And it all starts with Rainineer. Um he.

didn't find anything. but people eventually did. Right. We. know where that transport is now and the. bodies, >> correct? >> But you can't get to them. >> You're hitting a soft spot with me. >> It's okay. >> They walked there. Um, some national. parks people walked in on it and they. confirmed that it had crashed there. And. then we brought in some other. researchers. and something odd happened there. Why.

that plane crashed on that mountain is a. million-dollar question. It's located. very high up on a glacier and the. glacier moves. So why hasn't that plane. moved over the decades further down? That's one of the questions. The other. question is is that one of the. researchers we brought in Dave uh. far from the plane. He found a propeller. using Google Earth and talking to. experts, that propeller can't get there.

if the plane hit the glacier straight on. at that location. And it's almost like. there had to be a midair event with. something for that propeller to land up. so far away cuz you've got a debris. field. I think there's almost three. debris fields cuz didn't didn't Dave. also find a fuselage at some point? >> Yes. >> Because you make a good point about the. glacier. That's the f one of the fastest. moving glaciers in the country. So every. 50 hundred years things are moving. around. Those those bodies of those. service men are in there. They're.

they'll surface. They'll go back under. and we can't get up there to do anything. about that. >> Well, when we were doing the film, the. crew and I, we talked about what what. happened to No Man Left Behind, >> right? There's 32 men up there. >> Yeah. And. if they were able to hike in, why. couldn't they hike the people out or put. them on sleds and bring them out? A lot. of questions.

>> Does this Does it feel like a mid-air. collision to you? >> I'm not the expert on that, but from the. people I heard, it sure seems like it. hit something hit it in the air. >> You make a compelling case in the film. You know, there's a lot of stuff in. there I hadn't heard before. I hadn't. seen any of that footage before. I. thought that plane was just gone. I. didn't know that that that you found it. Um but then I started to get angry like, well, if we if if we can see it on. Google Earth, we got to go in there. or at least make an effort for those. families. Um.

because I agree, No Man Left Behind. So. Mount Reineer becomes the center of a. lot of weird stuff. Flying saucers start. there. Uh you said you heard a little. bit about the Mory Island incident that. happened up there as well. This is a UFO. flies over, drops slag on a fisherman. and uh. this is the first time we get the Men in. Black appearing in in Seattle. Then. we've got a connection to CIA, JFK. It's.

a whole thing. But it all starts right. here at Reineer. So what is it about. that place? It's got all this weird. stuff. Is Bigfoot up there, too? Were. there orbs? >> So, in the our movie American Sasquatch, man, myth or monster, we filmed there's. there's footage in there at the base of. Rineer of a woman. that lives there that captured a. Bigfoot. It appears it's coming in and. out of a portal.

and she's had tracks up there. This is. right at the base of the park. I mean, probably within two miles. And there's been a series of Bigfoot. sightings up there over the years. Uh, a. lot of it related to orbs and other. things. >> Her footage was good. And, you know, I'm. not a Bigfoot I'm a I'm on the fence. I'm very skeptical of all of of it. because of all the hoaxing, but her. footage was good. And you did a great job in the film, by. the way, of and I said this to you.

before we went on the air, but I'll say. it now that uh there's a there's this. famous piece of footage. It was filmed. in IMAX from this I think Canadian. company or whatever that shows it looks. like a Bigfoot behind a bunch of caribou. and you guys can find this online but. Dave went and got the original print. So. when it shows up on the film I know it's. a hoax and I go oh no Dave don't fall. for this but he [snorts] got the. original print and you can clearly see. that it's what of a guy on a bike. >> Yeah. Yeah. When you look at it under IMAX.

with the big frames it's so much easier. to see. You could see everything. It was. It's really stunning. >> Yeah. We were kind of wondering how the. people were going to respond to that. >> People were going to get mad. Uh I think. it's been all positive. I haven't heard. anyone really come back and attack us. about it. >> No. I mean, people are still out there. saying it's real. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. They email me. >> I don't know. I don't know how you could. after watching that. It looks like a guy. on a bike to me. >> Definitely. He's got a hat. He's got a.

backpack. It's It's totally clear. Um, is Mount Reineer one of the the. clusters that you're seeing? >> Oh, yeah. >> It is. >> for sure. Reineer. has so many. >> I mean, we ran out of time on that film. It's one of the longer films I've ever. made and. we covered a lot of cases there, but. they're. >> near the end. We just kind of piled on. and and listed them, >> but they all kind of follow the same. track. I mean there there's no scent.

trail by the dogs. There's no tracks. found. Uh there's no body. There's no. backpack. There's there's no anything. And it replicates itself time after time. after time. And. it's all around the mountain. What I found stunning was how far apart. like the the last known sighting and. then we find a you know half a tent and. all this. It's like so spread far apart.

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It it was. >> he he was a young man. from Santa Cruz, California. I lived in. Santa Cruz for a long time. It's a. really nice city. And he was a big. surfer, swimmer, athlete. >> And he went up to see his grandmother. who lived in Port Angeles just outside. the park. And he was going to leave from there and. eventually ride across country on a. bike. And then he wanted to tour the park. at. his kind of le leisure.

Well, one morning he gets up real early, doesn't tell anybody, just goes to take. off and goes into the park. And he. he rides in. Nobody knows exactly why, but he's pretty far into the park and he. leaves his bike and disappears. Park Service is notified. His dad is is a lot like me because if I.

had heard this and it was my son, I. would have been there within a day. And. his dad is there quickly. >> His dad's is a warrior. >> Oh, yeah. >> He swam that river. >> Oh, yeah. And the park service tells his. dad, "Oh, your your son's the bike's. right next to a river. Oh, your your. son's in the river." And he goes, "What. do you mean?" and he goes, "Oh, we we. kind of hiked the river and we saw some. marks on the side of a rock." And. so Jacob's dad's thinking, "Hey, my son.

swims in 48 to 54 degree weather every. day just about in Santa Cruz. He he. lives through huge waves. He swims in. ocean water. If he's in that river, he's just going. to swim down a little bit and he's going. to come out.". >> Yes. Yes. >> And he's thinking, "Oh, this these guys. are lying to me.". He says, "Okay, I'll go in the river and. I'll go I'll follow it 10 miles down and. I'll search every nook and cranny, but. he I don't believe he's in that wet. river." He goes, "No, he's dead. He's in. the river.".

So the dad says, "Okay." He gets a wet. suit and he goes in the river and he for. a couple days he just swims it. Told me. he found some dead animals and. says, "No, my son's not in the river.". He goes, "He never was in that river.". He goes, "I don't know why they're lying. to me, but Dave, I knew he wasn't in the. river.". >> Was his the case where they refused the. helicopter? >> They refused helicopters, drones. >> Why? >> Canines? >> Because sometimes, I mean, frequently. they allow all that stuff. Why? Why did. Jacob not get the same treatment?

>> So, just later on in the film, I. highlighted a case where a young lady. disappeared about eight air miles from. Jacob on a different river. They had. multiple helicopters, multiple drones, same park, same management. But for. Jacob, no. For her, yes. Why? So, Jacob's dad was at the premiere and. he he never knew about this girl and he. never knew how badly he was screwed over.

by the park service. And at the end, he. came gave me a big hug and goes, "Dave, that was stellar." He goes, "Why is the. park service lying like that? Why are. they treating one case of a missing. person one way and another 180 degrees. different and applying different rules. to different cases? I don't get it.". Make a long long story short, eventually. Jacob is found. No, not in a river. Way. way up a mountain.

>> Up a mountain. >> Up a mountain. >> And this is what 15 16 18 miles away. >> Oh yeah. um and a trail of clothes going to the. top. And what I explained to his dad is that. number one, how did he why did his bike stay here? Why didn't he just keep riding the bike. another four or five miles to the trail. head? Why did he leave it here? And then. at the top of the mountain, they said.

that there was a trail of clothes. So if. he was getting hypothermic, all he had. to do was hike down the mountain because. it get a lot warmer quick. But no, he. kept going up way above treeine. >> Now hypothermic people will sometimes. take off their clothes. That's a natural. reaction, but they normally don't hike. up a mountain 12 miles while they do. that. >> No. And. obviously your body will tell you when. you start getting cold. A lot of really. hypothermic cases, there's no choice.

um you're confined, you're injured, you're in a valley, there's no way out, and you die that way. >> Mhm. >> He had every option in the world. different. So really, what happened there? That's. the real milliondoll question. And. if they would have brought in a. helicopter and searched, or if they. would have brought in a a canine to hit. that trail head, they probably would have found him. Yeah.

>> So, I don't understand it. >> at all. >> It was a touching part of the film. Didn't you give that bike shop owner a. kindness award? >> Yeah. [snorts]. So when Jacob was staying at his. grandma's house, he took a ride one day. and he he was trying to fix up the bike. for the trip across the US. and he rode into this man's cycle shop, small shop. And he was explaining to this man what. he was trying to do. And this this is an.

older Asian man, very kind person. And he goes, "Dave, I I was listening to. to what he needed and things and I could. tell he didn't have a job and he was. kind of working off his savings and I I. said, "Hey, I want to take the journey. with you. So, here you take these. gloves. They fit you good. You use. those." And then he put a new back tire. on. He goes, "No, you're going to roll. on my tire." He goes, "Well, what do I.

owe you? What do I owe you?" "No, no, no, no. This is on me. So, every one of my videos I talk about. kindness. and I said, you know, sometimes when. you're at the store and a clerk's. ringing you up, maybe she's having a. really bad day or you go to the post. office and we tend to take these people. for advant. take advantage of them and don't think. what they're doing for us every day.

Maybe smile. Hey, how's your day going? What have you been up to? I talk about that in every one of my. videos. talk about all the time, too. >> Something about kindness. >> It It's not that hard. >> Not that hard. And what this man did for. him was. unbelievable when you really think about. it. He would have never known in a. million years that he was going to be. standing up in front of a thousand. people with me giving him this award.

He was crying, >> of course. What a nice moment. >> And. I don't know. It was a sad It was a very sad. sad encounter that the way it all ended, but yeah, you deserve that. >> Does it get hard on you sometimes just. living in this world every day? It's you.

deal with nothing but pain. >> Yeah, sometimes it does. Sometimes it does. Every once in a while, I run across a. case like that one struck my heart. It. reminded me of my own my son. And. yeah, I try not to let it get to me. I. try to keep it as impersonal as. possible, but every once in a while, these cases just hit at my core. >> I don't think you think you should be. that impersonal, though. Sometimes you.

really help these families just by. talking to them because it's like. someone's finally listening. >> Well, I get a lot of a lot of hate hate. mail. Why are you doing this? You know, you're uh making this publicity to just. push your own podcast. And. I think, you know, out of all the people. I've ever talked to, I've ever written. about, I've never had one person. get mad at me. Don't read the comments.

Don't read Don't read it. Just keep. doing what you're doing. It's working. fine. There's one case that really fascinated. me. I don't know if it's the same same. park. Gilbert Gilman. >> Yeah. >> And I don't know how we tell the story. to get all the information in, but maybe I'll let you get started and. I'll just I'll add some color. But this. is a very interesting case. Gilbert. Gilman. So, we'll go 2005 Thunderbird. convertible pulls into the park. has in. exchange with a ranger, walks out to the.

park with his camera and that's it. So, what what about Gilbert? >> So, Gilbert was in army intelligence, spoke six languages, has a bronze star, um got into promoting people for. political positions and he was pushing a. a woman that didn't win for a Congress. in Washington. She was appointed by the. governor to be the head of the public. retirement system in Washington. He he.

was picked by her to be the assistant. director. Super smart guy. Uh single. Lived in. Washington. Had just purchased this Thunderbird. Was. real proud of it. Pulls into the park. playing his music loud. Ranger comes up. says, "Hey, do you mind turning the. music down?" He goes, "Well, do you at. least like it?" That's what she said. And she goes, "No, I like it, but could. you turn it down?" "Yeah." He's wearing. a Hawaiian shirt, Bermuda shorts, and. flip-flops, a camera around his neck,

gets out, walks into Olympic National. Park, pretty busy area where he disappeared, walked up the trail. That was it. Um, he's supposed to be at a meeting for the. retirement system the following day. The. director reports a missing. big search. Huge search. >> Well, talk about that search because I. that's a big clue to me because Jacob. gets nothing. Gilbert gets 5,000 hours.

of federal search. All kinds of air, everything. Ground pounders. >> Yeah, >> that's a big response for just. >> huge. >> a for an assistant pension fund manager. >> Huge. But I think everybody knew why he was. getting that is because of the political. tie-ins that everyone had to this case. >> I don't think so. I think it's I think. it's something else. >> You think so? >> Yeah. Because All right. I know a little. bit about the intelligence community. As. my audience knows, we've got 82nd. Airborne, two Bronze Stars, expert.

trooper. Okay. That's a feeder into a. certain system. Speaks all these. languages. His posts are at embassies. So that to me sounds like he he's. undercover with state. Three of those. languages he speaks are Arabic, Chinese, and Russian. One of his posts is. Mongolia. Why Mongolia? Because it's our. only listening post that borders on land. with Russia and China. He's in Yemen. He's an interrogator as a contractor in. Iraq. He's doing all this stuff. So that. response to me sounds like that's a guy.

who knows things that we got to find out. what happened. Where did he go? Was he. picked up by agents? Was. something nefarious? Did he fake his. death? >> So, in hindsight, the ranger believed. that he purposely had the music loud. so that he would be seen by a ranger and. acknowledge that he was there. >> That's interesting. That wasn't in the. film. >> No, >> that's a nice That's a nice note.

>> Yeah. And she thought Lustig was her. name. She thought it was odd the way he. was dressed. That wouldn't be the way. that you and I would go hiking, right? But he was he didn't wear hiking shoes, nothing. It just seemed odd, especially. for a trained ranger. >> Yeah. So, his girlfriend who lives in the East. Coast, flies out. His mom lives on the. East Coast, flies out. Mom's in the '9s,

sharp as attack. So, they're out there. They're. monitoring the search. Search goes on. for week and a half, two weeks. They're. not finding anything. They put divers in. the water. They had helicopters in the. air. They had everything you could. imagine. They searched his house hoping. to find some clue. Nothing. So, >> who searched his house? >> Oh, the special agent from the park. service with the parents went to the. house. So, as the the mom's wealthy, really.

wealthy, she had a penthouse apartment in Chicago. that he stayed at occasionally and had a. room there. And they lived on Park Avenue in New. York. That's where she lived. As they're there at the park and this is. going on, she gets a call from. the management team in Chicago. says, "Hey, um, Mrs. Gilman, uh, just to.

let you know, a couple FBI agents were. here today and they needed to get into. your apartment. to get some things." And we let them in. and they left with some things. She's telling me the story. I says, "Mrs. Gilman, they can't do that. She goes, "No." I said, "No, they got to. have a search warrant." And number one, your management team has no right to let. them in. >> Nope. >> Oh, really? Just a just a nice innocent lady.

>> Mhm. >> I said, "No, no." And she goes, "Well,". I said, "Did you figure out what they. took?" "Yeah, Gilbert, the last time he. was there, wrote on a yellow tablet in. Arabic.". He goes, "I don't I don't know what he. wrote, but I kept it there." They took. that and then there were two books that. he asked me to get for him that were on. his nightstand. And she goes, "Dave, I always thought. that that was a clue to all this.". I said, "Clue?" She goes, "Yeah,

clue." So, before I interviewed Mrs. Gilman, I interviewed the girlfriend who. had seen Gilbert about a month before he. disappeared. And we start talking and I said, 'Well, did he have any ties to the CIA? She kind of goes, I don't think I can talk about that. I said, what do you mean you can't talk. about that? You're under you're not. under a non-disclosure. You're not under.

a secrecy oath. You can talk about. anything. She just. >> Mhm. She said that uh about a week before he. disappeared, he had called her. And she. said, "I was in the middle of something. and I just couldn't talk and I had to. break away." And he goes, "But but" and. she said, "You know, I always thought. that he was trying going to tell me. something, but I had to go and I feel. really bad about that." And she was she. was upset. So then I go on, I talk to Mrs. Gilman.

And in the end, it's the feeling that this was probably. a planned event and that he went away. for some type of governmental issue. and it was all orchestrated by the. government. So. when I talked to others about this, I. said, "Well, I'm not the sharpest knife. in the drawer. Why was I able to figure this out and.

the park service didn't? Why is he listed as a missing person on. the park service if there's something. else going on which we just exposed? Why are they lying to the public? I don't get it. Now, if this happened once, okay, so be it. But then I ask you, AJ, how many times has the park been used as. a point to extricate someone from. society and put them into service.

someplace else? And we don't know about. it. >> No, but we know it happens. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> There you go. Does your gut say that he's out there. somewhere? He's deep deep undercover. The question I really have. is let's say the CIA needed him for some. reason. >> Mhm. >> What's the need. to extricate him from society and make.

him appear as a missing person versus. just take him in and use him? What's. that? I don't get it. And I don't I've talked to other. military people and they said doesn't. make sense to us, Dave. >> No, it's a weird way to do that. >> Yeah. What do you think? Why do you think he. was trying to call attention to himself? >> To make sure that he was seen. >> to use the missing in a national park. as cover.

>> His mother was was more open about his. intelligence work. Apparently, they had. a bit of a kind of a code. >> Yeah. >> Uh but his girlfriend, man, she wouldn't. say anything. >> She knows something. >> Oh, yeah. I know. I was waiting for you. to ask and you finally did and I I don't. think I can talk about that. It's like. well I know what that means. >> The other point that I'll make here and. I I don't care what if Gilbert watched. this and. but at the end of the interview with his. mom, I said, you know, there's a decent.

chance that Gilbert may see this. someday. What do you want to tell him? Please come home. I miss you. Yeah. >> Come on. How could you do that to your. mom? >> Yeah. >> How could anybody do that to their. family? I couldn't. >> No. That's why I kind of lean away from. that that theory a little bit because I. don't feel like he would do that. You. know, when someone's pulled out like. that for a mission, it's usually someone.

with a little bit of cleaner background, like no one left behind. to ask questions. You know, a wealthy mom could be a pain. if you're. Maybe, >> you know, that could be a pain. >> You think he's out there? >> I do. >> I hope you're right. >> And I say that just because the mom. feels. that he is and so does the girlfriend. I I think the girlfriend does.

I never talk about this, but. probably my best friend of my whole life. was uh. I I'll say pre- agency and uh in great. shape and he was he was working in. Colombia Bogota embassy and was he he. died of a brain aneurysm on a run when. he was 25. but we meaning we and the family. couldn't get an autopsy, couldn't see. anything. saying the body came home in a.

welded stainless steel casket. No. further I have I have his flag in my. office. It's all very strange. State department. would not cooperate with with the family. at all. So I continue to tell myself. that Pat's out there that that all of. that was just. staged so he can do that work. But then. again, it's you left a lot of us. hurting. >> Yeah. But it's something happens.

Pat had called me two days earlier and. he said, "If something happens to me, you got to come get me." I wish I still. had that tape. What else was happening in Washington. that I didn't realize that DB Cooper. landed out there as well? What is about granite?

>> So when you really get in get into the. minutia about granite, it's an. interesting mineral and it has a lot of. properties that don't exist in other. rocks and minerals. And just to get to the core of it, where. is the most granite. in our world? Yoseite. And when I say that granite's involved. in a lot of the disappearances and water. is well what goes through the middle of.

that big huge granite field in Yoseite. Merced River. >> What are some of the properties of. granite that are interesting? >> Uh it's conductivity. >> It creates electricity. >> Yeah. >> Po electricity. >> Yeah. >> Especially with the river. >> Yeah. >> Magnetic field. A lot of weird stuff. >> A lot. And I didn't know that when I. first started. I people a lot smarter. than me write to me and say, "Hey Dave, you're on to something here and pay. attention to this.".

And not just yuseite, but when you get. up higher in altitude above treeine in a. lot of these places where people. disappear, there's a lot of granite. boulders. So, when you hear I've heard about this more. than once, that orbs are seen in Yoseite. a lot. >> Mhm. >> And where do orbs tend to go? Right into. the rock. So, that that's a hard thing to wrap. your head around. If there's something.

inside that orb going into that rock, how does that happen? >> They see it at Rene or they see it at. Chasta. It goes right into the side of. the rock. >> 100%. >> Like the rock doesn't open. No, >> it just goes. How does that happen? >> I think you captured orbs in your film. during one of the shots. >> Unless you pulled that footage, but. there was stuff in the sky during one of. those shots. Maybe it was during the. fleer test. >> Maybe. >> I don't know if you remember that from. the film, but um your fleer experts.

amazing. And uh as you're shooting, there's stuff moving in the sky, moving. all around. >> I don't know if you remember that. >> Oh, yeah. No. So that individual is used right now at. Skinwalker Ranch on their series doing. that research. And uh he called me. He. lives in Seattle. He called me. He goes, "Dave, I want to help you if you can. ever if I could ever use you." And he. has a fleer device that he developed.

himself that shows about 10 times more. than a normal fleer would show. and we set up on rainer and. in 6 hours I can't count how many things. we saw flying in and out of there and. it's hard to un it's hard to wrap your. mind around how busy it can be that and. we're not even seeing it and we can't. see it with the naked eye right.

that's that's one of those claims that. kind of connects to Bigfoot for me is. when skeptics say, "How does it how does. it disappear?". Well, if something can somehow shift. into ultraviolet or infrared, you. wouldn't see it, >> but it's still there. You just can't see. it. >> No, there was uh there was research done. in Pennsylvania. where Bigfoot has been seen there so.

many times. And one of the times a. Bigfoot was seen holding an orb in its. hand. >> What? >> Yes. And. this was in the proximity of where a UFO. was seen hovering above other Bigfoot. So that association between orbs, Bigfoot, and UFOs. is almost like a a weekly occurrence out. there in parts of Pennsylvania.

Sounds like that story from earlier. where the orb comes down and the and the. creatures come out. >> Exactly. >> If you go back to the native legends cuz. you like with the hoopa. are the orbs part of those stories too. >> Yes. Because if you really think about that. story on the California Oregon border, that glowing moon could be an orb. Just by the definition, we just don't. know.

>> [clears throat]. >> Yeah. The tribe around Shasta, they are. forbidden to go above the treeine. because that's the home of the sky. people. >> Have you ever seen Vanished? >> Yes. >> So that's owned by the History Channel. You can watch it right now on Amazon for. a couple bucks. But so they hired me to. do an hour and a half special about. missing people. We went up onto Shasta. and uh about some missing people and. it's absolutely.

where that person went. There's no. crevices. There's no place to go. And. well, hold on. Now you're now you're. getting me excited. Do you remember any. of those cases from Shasta? Because I. because I have questions. So, the man that disappeared on Shasta, he was up there with a pilot from. American Airlines. and another man that owned an import. export business from San Francisco. And.

they had camped, his name was Carl, and they had camped on the side of. Shasta. He didn't feel good that night and they. were putting the camp together and they. said, "Hey, Carl, you take off ahead of. us and we'll follow you up.". >> This is the Carl Landers case. >> Carl Landers. >> Yes. >> And uh he's going up and they said, "Yeah, we saw him climbing up and then. you you hit a position where a ranger. checks you in before you go up." Well,

the ranger wasn't there that day and. they don't know. There were some. thinking that somebody saw him making. that final jump to the summit. Others. said they hadn't seen him. So, long story short, the head of search and rescue for the. state of California took over that. search up in that area. and they put a Cobra helicopter at the.

summit over 14,000 ft and dropped. searchers and had them come down like a. spiderweb on the mountain. They did that. three times. And [clears throat]. that search. official said, "Dave, he's not on it. He. may be in it, but he's not on it. Or. he's either up there or he's in there, but he's not on it." And he goes, "I. guarantee he's not on it. There's no. place to go.". >> I mean, Landers disappeared basically in.

plain sight with good visibility in. front of two companions. >> 100%. And he was and he was trained. hiker. >> 100%. Good shape. >> Good shape. 69 years old. >> Yep. He uh. >> Yeah. Still still nothing on him. >> Very very. few options on that. Very few options. about what could have happened. And and. the searcher, he said, "Dave, I'm. baffled. I have no idea.".

Did you ever pull his report, his case? >> Well, there's so I got unlimited access. to the head searcher. and he was he was as transparent as you. could be. So, he would have been the one. writing them and so that would have been. a state issue, not federal. >> Mhm. >> State isn't covered by FOYA, only feds, >> right? >> So, I never even tried, but anytime I. wanted to contact him, I could have.

So, that was a long time ago. But just. last year, um I don't know if you looked. into the Lesnar Cardinas case. >> Lesnar Cardinas. >> He driving, he flips his car, calls for. help. Um police respond. He's not there. Apparently, hitches a ride home, get. grabs his hiking gear, goes to a trail. head in Shasta, and just says that's it. And that's the last we've heard of. Cardinis. >> Hadn't heard that. I there is another. case on Chasta within the last year.

involving a younger man like in his 20s. disappeared on the mountain too. I did a video about it. >> and just nothing. >> Nothing. >> When when a case comes across your desk, what makes it a 411 case and what makes. it not? >> Fit in those profile points. Um tracking. dogs can't find us in professional. trackers can't find tracks. point of. separation. You and I are hiking. together. Hey, you go that way, I'll go. this way. And something happens to one.

of us. Happens all the time. Um, a. weather event, either when the person. disappears or when search and rescue. starts. Uh, granite. Um, if the person is found, nine times. out of 10, they have memory loss and. they don't remember how they got lo got. lost or disappeared. Um, >> those cases are wild that because that's. >> they are. What was that one case where. the guy heard the bag pipes? Do you. remember that one? >> Oh, yeah. That was an Olympic case.

Olympic National Park. >> Do you want to tell that one real? Could. he disappeared twice, didn't he? >> So, he gets dropped off by a girlfriend. and he's going to hike Olympic. and. spends a few days he gets lost and he's. just camping out. Wakes up one day and. he's looking for, I think, something to. drink or something to eat. and he hears. bag pipes and he kept walking towards. those bag pipes.

So, there's a search and rescue team on. the mountain looking for somebody else. Those bag pipes. drug that man and led him right into the. middle of that search party's camp. >> Didn't they say he was like dirty and. crazy and thirsty? >> Correct. How crazy is that? >> And then what happens to him? He just. wanders off again. >> So, I forgot who it was, but while he. was missing, it was like a father-in-law.

or stepfather or it wasn't his direct. father, but one of those people died. >> Mhm. >> And there was there was some theory by. some that maybe those bag pipes had. something to do with a father or. father-in-law that died that led him to. safety. >> Yeah, that's a nice touch. >> Yeah. Got to admit it's pretty odd. >> Yes. Um, but I mean if you're dying of. thirst, you're all kinds of crazy things. you're going to see in here.

>> Oh, and no doubt. But to lead you to the. middle of the search camp, that's pretty. remarkable. >> That's that's a great case. All right, we'll take a quick break. Come back. We'll talk some more and we'll get into. some Bigfoot. Right back. So, I've been asked to ask you about one. Shasta case. And if you don't remember, you don't. That's fine. Do you remember. the Grandma Cappy case? >> Oh, yeah. >> You do? Okay. Thank goodness. >> Yeah.

>> Such a weird story. >> Very weird story. Little boy gets lost. Um, then he tells a story that he gets. taken down underground. and there's this woman. She may may have be been a robotic type. woman because she admitted some kind of. sparks and things. And. the thing that was very odd about it is. that he he was taken underground and for.

a little kid to come up with this story. is just bizarre. And the way he. described this woman was bizarre. I would have ignored it and not given it. two cents except that for a little boy. to come up with that story. I don't know if it's possible. >> The way he was found was weird. >> Yeah. >> Um, for you guys that don't know, this. little boy is hanging out with his. grandmother, Grandma Cappy, and says, "I. like you better than the other grandma. Cappy." And mom says, "What?" and he.

tells this story about being underground. with someone who looks like his. grandmother makes him defecate on paper. or something like that. It's too weird. to make up. Then search, you can't find. him. They search the whole area and then. he just appears out of the brush and. he's fine. >> And he's found in a location that was. previously searched. >> Yes. >> Which is one of our profile points. And.

I I wish I could have interviewed the. child one-on-one, but we didn't get that. option. So, we have to just kind of. listen to what his grandmother said. It's one of a kind. I've never heard of. anything similar to that. >> No, it's a really weird one. And um I. think his grandmother was camping there. once and woke up with like puncture. wounds. I don't know if you remember. that part of the story which was. corroborated by a friend of hers and. they thought it was spider bites or.

something. >> Yeah. >> But I think I think it sounds like DNA. extraction for the for the androids that. are under there. That's a great story. >> It is. >> It's a wild one. >> All right, we Let's talk some Bigfoot. So, you know, I don't like Bigfoot. I. don't like the I don't like it. >> Well, then why are we talking about it? [laughter] Because because if I don't, I'll get I'll get I'll get in trouble. When I say I don't like it, that's not. what I mean. I want I want all these. stories to be real. I approach them with.

as a hopeful skeptic like Bigfoot. I. want it to be real, but there's so much. noise. I don't know what to believe. So, in in my mini doc, I debunked pretty. much everything except Patterson Gimlin. film. I couldn't debunk it. and the uh. the Freeman video. I couldn't debunk. that. Is there any other video? So, when I go to a conference, I'm going. to give you a list of things to think. about.

And this is what this is how I started. And I start off talking about a man. named Ron Morehead who had the Sierra. camp. And it was a it was a camp with. hunters that went to it for decades. And. they had these encounters at the camp. with what probably was a Bigfoot. And he. actually brought a recorder up and. recorded the sounds that this thing made. in camp. He then turned the recordings. over to a University of Wyoming.

professor. uh and Rodney Kurlin, University of. Wyoming, and he said that these were not. digitalized. They were not pre-recorded. They were a lower frequency than what. humans could. produce. >> They're very unsettling. They're creepy. >> They are creepy. >> Mhm. >> Then they were turned over to a man. named Scott Nelson, 25 years Navy crypto.

linguist specialist, three-time Navy. postgraduate school. He identified it as. perfect language. We just don't know. what they were saying, but he said that. is language. Now, there's a show called Expedition. Bigfoot, season 4, episode 5. They hung. microphones out there, and they recorded. some things. They turned that over to a. professor of linguistics, Dr. Ron. Cosper. He stated those sounded like homminid, meaning they were articulated in the.

mouth. Asked by a producer if he thought. Bigfoot produced language, Dr. COper. said yes. And he said, "COper stated. that there's reports of yetis using. language.". Season 3, episode 9, interviewed with. Hank Bernard, a native elder. He stated. that they are a tribe of people. They. can bend light around them. Mariah Mayor, good friend of mine, by. the way. She and I did a cruise. together. She said, "Something ran right.

by me, but I couldn't see it. We didn't. walk through any of this. It's like she. walked through a portal, didn't. recognize anything. something runs right. by her, she says she doesn't see it. Dr. Rob Alli wrote a book called Rainco. Sasquatch, one of the best books out. there about Bigfoot. And he had multiple. multiple reports of Bigfoot uh swimming. amongst the inner islands. >> swimming. >> swimming amongst the inner islands in. Alaska. This was a common occurrence in.

Alaska. Now, apes and gorillas don't like to. swim. Bigfoot likes to swim. >> and apes and gorillas can't make. language. They don't. >> ob obviously not. >> right. They don't have the anatomy for. it. >> No. So I'm gonna get to that. Okay. >> Don't jump ahead. >> Sorry. I want to step on the punch line. >> So in our movie American Sasquatch, Cole. Keller, the chief investigator at. Skinwalker Ranch where they allure where. they saw this biped come out of what.

looked like a portal. 6' tall 400 lb. NASA website 2015 said. portals are real. Jonathan Dover, >> what did NASA say in 20? Says portals. are real. >> Portals are real. It's on their website. >> Okay. >> Okay. Jonathan Dover. Have you ever. heard of him? >> Another guy you you would really like. He's a former Navajo Ranger. Uh he's 30. years in law enforcement. Graduated from. the federal law enforcement school. Super smart man. Uh he's Navajo.

as a ranger. They were like the fishing. game for the Navajo tribe. >> He gets called into his chief's office. one day after 20 years. And he and his. partner get called in and said, "Hey, you're my new Bigfoot and UFO expert. We've had too many of these. You're. going to go investigate and you're going. to be the expert." He goes, "Hey, I. don't have any interest in this." Goes, "I don't care. You're going to go do. it.". Jonathan went out and for 10 years did. nothing but investigate Bigfoot and. UFOs. He said, ' Dave, I can't tell you.

the number of times I walked and. followed a path of tracks that ended in. the middle of nowhere, just suddenly stopped. Uh, DNA studies. When I was working for the technology. people, one of the things they wanted was DNA. So, for I went on coast to coast. >> Who wanted DNA? the the people that paid. me to go out and do the research.

>> Oh, they wanted you to collect DNA. Yeah. >> Not yours. Okay. >> Yeah. No, they they're not getting mine. >> Mine either. 23 and me. No, thank you. >> So, uh we went on coast to coast and we. got 14 states, different specimens, two. Canadian provinces. When the people set in hair, we need the. follicle for the DNA. So, when they sent. in the hair, at first we sent it to a. hair and fiber expert. Now, a lot of. people don't understand this, but the. there's people in the FBI and people on. the outside that look at hair and fiber.

every day and use it for criminal. prosecutions. >> Everybody's hair looks different. I. mean, human to ape to gorilla to deer to. elk, everyone is different. Bigfoot hair. doesn't look like anything else in the. planet. >> You know, how do you know it's Bigfoot. hair? If I see if I'm a witness and I see the. Bigfoot walk over to and this is exactly. how it happened. They walk over to a. shed on the property. This is in Hoopa.

And they lean over this shed and they're. going through the big plastic bags in. the shed. They pick out two bags. They. pull back over the shed. At the point. where they're pulling back over, right. at the corner, it pulled out hair. It. pulled out hair. >> Okay. One of our guys went out there, accumulated the hair. The hair was sent. to a hair and fiber expert. It's nothing. on that's ever been identified on the. planet. This is replicated time after.

time, but when you look at it under a. microscope, it looks like it has scales. on the hair. It's very unique looking. I. could teach you AJ in 10 minutes how to. be a hair and fiber expert and identify. Bigfoot hair. Looks like nothing else. Theseund 100 plus samples that we had of. just hair, they all look just like that, but they're like nothing else on the. planet. They can't be mistaken. So you. have the follicle, you can get the DNA,

but you can only get mitochondrial DNA, meaning from the maternal side from. hair, but we also in our specimen. analysis and collection, we got blood, saliva, tissue. >> Let me help them understand. So you it's. hard to collect fraternal DNA because. that's only occurs in the nucleus and it. degrades very very quickly. Mitochondria. DNA it's all over the cells. There's. 2,000 in every cell and it's very hardy. So easy to collect the maternal side. fraternal almost impossible.

>> So we did get saliva, blood, fingernail. and tissue. >> I didn't know you had all of that. >> Yep. because I'm very aware of the Sykes. DNA um study in Oxford. All follow all. of that stuff and I lean towards. Sykes's. I didn't know you had blood and. saliva and tissue. >> So on Sykes is. >> from these 115 samples from all over. North America. >> Okay. >> So on Sykes, do you know that Dr. Meldram sent Sykes.

Bigfoot hair? >> I didn't know he did. >> He did. >> I think he just passed, didn't he? >> He did. That's a shame. >> So, Dr. Meldram and I did two different. cruises together uh and were the. speakers on the cruise. I asked him. that. I said, "Did you send Sykes here?". He goes, "Yeah." I go, "What did Sykes. do with it?" You told me, Dave, that it. was bear. >> That's what's in in the study. It's. American black bear. >> So, I'm going to tell you flat out, it's. a lie. >> That's what Melgum said.

>> Melgum. So, first of all, Dr. Meldram, smart guy. >> and he's he's a tenure professor. >> I could teach you in 10 minutes to. identify Bigfoot hair. You mean to tell. me that you're trying to tell me that. Meldrum sent and mistook black bear hair. for Bigfoot? Impossible. You can't do that. I don't believe it. Sykes took all of the DNA samples and. never vetted him through a hair and. fiber expert. Just went straight to DNA.

So, he's a geneticist. That's what he. does. >> But wait a minute, that's idiotic. Do you know how much that one sample. probably cost him to do at that point? Tens of thousands of dollars. >> Why would you do that? That makes no. sense. That's why I don't believe. anything he did. Fair enough. I wanted. your reaction. >> Okay, so let's go on. Mhm. So, we have. nonhuman hair. yielding human mitochondrial DNA.

non-human hair yielding mitochondrial. human DNA. Now, that on the on the maternal side. comes back to 12,000 years into the. Middle East. Now, we got nuclear DNA, but when we passed it through Genbank, the world receptacle for DNA, 352. billion base pairs, when we did it, it. had never been categorized in Genbank. It didn't exist. Now, when the movie. came out and we interviewed.

other experts in other arenas, there. were experts doing DNA studies on the. elongated skulls. >> Mhm. >> Do you know that they couldn't get DNA. nuclear DNA on those skulls either, >> but they can get mitochondrial DNA? >> Yes. But if you take a contaminated sample. and run it through a test like. Powerplex, you're going to get. mitochondrial DNA perfectly and you're. going to get fraternal DNA that doesn't. match anything because it's a.

it's called an amplification error. So that's what you would actually. expect. So that's exactly what the press tried. to push on the public. But we used there's only like 10 of. these in the world at the time. The. Louisiana Crime Lab completely automated. system extracts, analyzes, computes, does everything. And that came back and.

said it gave us what was called a Q30. score. That's like a score about how. accurate their measurements are. It was. in the stratosphere for accuracy. Then the press came back and said, "Well, the reason it says human, they're still. thinking it's ape and gorilla." Right. >> Right. >> The reason it's human is because it's. contaminated. So they never said this in front of me, but I'll say it in front of you. If my. DNA contaminated those things, it's.

going to show I'm Greek and Russian. It's not going to show Middle East. And. on the on the male site, it's going to. show Greek. It's not going to show. nothing nuclear. So that's impossible for one of us. humans to contaminate it. And the. problem was is that there was nobody. educated to counter these ludicrous. things that were being said. Now, let's keep going here. This is.

important. There's only one country in the world, AJ, that committed their funds to. studying the topic. Do you know who it. is? >> Russians. The Russians spent millions. They got. their best scientists in the world to. study it. Do you know what the. conclusion they came to? >> What? >> Human. One of their researchers came here to a. conference in Colorado and I was invited. to it. I walked into the back room at. the conference and they're holding my.

two books and he said, ' Dave, you're. the only one that's told the truth. Everyone else is lying. We know what the. truth is cuz we've done it in Russia. Now you're finally telling the truth. here. >> Did the Russians get the nuclear DNA? >> No, they they got exactly what I had. found. But you see, they believed that. it actually bred with a human. >> Mhm. and they were trying to at that time. extract.

the DNA from. uh bones that were buried like. 50 70 years ago and they were having a. difficult time with it but they said we. know you're right Dave. that's coming from the country that did. it. >> Yeah. >> So that's pretty powerful. Um. >> yeah Russia invests in all that stuff. >> They do. >> Mhm. So, in 1924, I I was doing a review. on articles about missing people. In. 1924, I found an article in the.

Oregonian newspaper. I almost thought out of my chair. thinking, I've gone to a 100 conferences on. Bigfoot. I've never seen anyone present. this. The title of the article on the front. page of the Oregonian was Big Hairy. Indians, Back of the Ape Tail. I said, "What?" They called it the. Celotic tribe. They said that they're. covered with hair. >> I know the tribe.

>> bear and bird language they have. They. imitate anything in the woods. They have. supernatural powers. They can kill game. with hypnotism. Other tribes, the Claum, Lumi, and the. Quinal have traded with them. >> I've heard this. that they traded with them. They would. they had relationship with the with. correct I've heard it. >> Yeah. And. >> I want to be there man. >> They said that they're another tribe of. us.

By the way, the article's in there. That. book. >> Oh, is it articles in that book? >> Uh I see a very famous giant skeletons. article right on the back of the book. I. watched one of your videos. It might. have been just a few days ago where you. were covering some of the. sort of connect. The first time I saw. anyone connect the Giants legend to. possibly being Bigfoot. >> Well, >> and I and you were very cautious because. you didn't attack the Smithsonian like I. do. >> Oh, I have. >> I have. >> Good. Um, but I thought it was an.

interesting theory because we've got all. these stories, articles in press, bones. being found, being shipped to. Smithsonian, giant, all these native legends. Here are the. bones. We've got the We've got the woman. from the Love Lock tribe wearing the. orange hair. >> Yeah. >> I mean that the hair is there. Well, I. wonder if we can test that. >> So, the truth is is that every time that. those giant bones have been found, it. goes to an institution, mainly the.

Smithsonian, and bingo, it's gone. Why. is it gone? Now, I'm not saying that all. of those giant bones were Bigfoot, but I. find it suspicious that all of those. specimens are gone. How could that be? Now, they will argue that that it's. sensationalism and all of that, and. that's fine. I I I will give you I'll. give you 95% of it, but we have records. from the Smithsonian acknowledging. receipt of large bones in inside a large.

coffin as well. So, like a giant oswary, we have their receipt. So, what do you mean you don't have it? >> Well, what doesn't make sense to me is. when they said, "Well, you know, we're trying to hype this or. something." No, no. The articles were. written at the time the bones were. found. Hype, it wasn't just a normal. newspaper trying to show the trail of. where it went. >> And there's so many articles. >> Oh, absolutely. No, absolutely. Okay. So um that 1924.

article subsequent to that I found. several others that also talked about. similar occurrences with that tribe the. cilotics. Then we bring in Harvey Pratt brings. witnesses draws. much more humanl looking face than. anything related to an ape or gorilla. Now here's the part you won't hear at. other conferences. Apes and gorillas, namely giganopythecus. Let's talk about.

that. They don't have large breasts all. year all the time. Only humans have. that. No wild ape or gorilla hair has. ever been found in the wilds of North. America. So all these specimens that. have been found, we know what. giganopythecus DNA looks like, paranthropus DNA. We know what their. hair would look like. We also know they. didn't walk upright. >> Absolutely. They did not. >> They were knuckle walkers. >> That's right. So that DNA has never been.

found here. >> Nope. >> Apes and gorillas do not like water to. swim in. There's not one shred of. evidence Gigantopithecus or Paranthropus. has ever been in North America. No hair, no bones, no sightings, no evidence. Just like you said that. they walked upright. Giganopythecus went. extinct two million years ago and we. they say it was here just because of a. piece of a jawbone and a few teeth and. that's it. >> So when people say well Bigfoot is.

giganticus paranthropus ape gorilla. there's not one shred of evidence to. prove that. Think about that. And I and I'm not saying that with no. facts or evidence. There's that's 100%. fact. Yet we do have hair that doesn't match. anything else in the world. that was seen by people.

of Bigfoot going from A to B. We. recover. We do the DNA. The evidence is there. >> You still have samples sitting around. >> Samples of. >> of hair tissue. that could be tested with more. supervision. I know you don't like the. Sykes test. That's fair. He was he was. very specific. >> So when I first got the samples and was. looking for the DNA, you know where I. went first? UC Davis. I lived in.

California. >> Sure. >> I mean the one of the best scientific. centers in the world. >> Yep. >> You know what they told me? >> They said, "Hey, we don't want anything. to do with Bigfoot.". >> Why not? >> I don't know. I got that from. universities time after time after time. Uh it was something that they didn't. want to touch. So. I've. do you know what BFRO is? >> I do. >> Okay. So the biggest research.

organization. >> Yeah. Biggest Bigfoot research. organization in the world. Great. database. So there was a man named Wally Herscham. Wall-ally was the main benefactor to. BFRO and and gave them hundreds of. thousands if not millions of dollars. over the years with one edict. Get DNA. If you ask them, they never got any DNA. Again, AJ, I'm going to say I'm not the. sharpest knife in the drawer, but I was.

able to get DNA. Scott Carpenter and I. got DNA from Great Smoky Mountain. National Park and then we got DNA when. we went on Coast to Coast. Why didn't. they do that? So Wall-E when they when. he heard we've got it, he joined our. study. He actually helped finance some. of the DNA work. Once that DNA was done, he said, "You guys did an excellent job.

I know what you did is 100% accurate. You've answered all my questions in the. Bigfoot world. I'm done. And he dropped. out. He He died not too long ago. He was a. really good guy. And he was trying to. just get to the fact of what it was. He. says, "I know now. >> He knows. >> He knows. >> Wonder what happens to Meldrum's work. and all of his everything he has.". >> It went to Cliff Barackman. >> Oh, it did? >> Yeah. Isn't Is it safe there?

>> Oh, yeah. Cliff's Cliff's a good guy. >> I think the field is going to is going. to uh is going to miss Jeffrey Meldrum. >> I mean, they tried to have him untenured. and it didn't take like he's. >> he was one of the nice Did you ever get. to meet him? >> No. >> One of the nicest people you would ever. meet. I mean, we were we didn't agree on. anything in the Bigfoot world, but we. could sit around and talk. >> He seemed very sincere. What did you. disagree with him on? >> Oh, he thought it was an ape gorilla.

based pranthropus giganopythecus. >> I didn't know that he felt that way. >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh, yeah. He was very valuable to the. field because he's so credible. >> He broke down so many doors and he had. people listen that wouldn't normally. listen. >> Yeah. >> I would think there'd be more public. support for for the research. There's a lot of people out there that. do it as a hobby.

Um, I I personally believe that there have. been organizations within the last 3. years that have done DNA studies. that believe it was an aper gorilla. that did the study, found out what it. was, and then never talked about it. again. hear that from the Smithsonian. Over your research going back 15 years, I feel like you've moved from.

or closer toward the interdimensional. quantum orbs side of this. story. Have you? >> Oh, definitely. >> So, what do you think is going on there? because it I think all UFO people in the. community researchers. I'll say we we're moving toward it's. spir some type of spiritual. manifestation. orbs are more frequent now.

>> so I've been a muon investigator for 17. years. >> I didn't know that. >> yeah I don't actively do any work I'm. too too busy doing my own things but I I. do have access to all their literature. and research. And did you know that many of abductees. [snorts] have seen a Bigfoot creature on. a craft? >> I've heard that. >> Yep. So, what do you make of that? Yeah. All the missing time, all that.

Now, what is the quantum argument? Because I I like quantum physics as a. you know, like you like hockey. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. I like quantum physics. >> Yeah. How does big foroot connect to. quantum mechanics? >> So. how something can be in two places at. the same time? >> Mhm. >> Entangled. >> Right. So one of the things that has happened. to the researchers at Skinwalker Ranch,

they don't talk about it a lot, but they. have gone public with it. The hitchhiker. effect. >> Yep. >> Have you heard about this? >> It the the phenomenon follows you. It. follows you and. it can go home with you. and nine times out of 10 it never. bothers the researcher but it will go. after the family friends. and it's almost it's almost as though. it's it wants to scare them or surprise.

them at some level. Um a. >> lot of poltergeist reports like this. >> Yeah. Ex Exactly. And. I mean, we're talking about world class. physicists that have had this happen to. them. So, it's real. But that happens at the ranch when. they're dealing with UFO issues. It's. happened fairly regularly to Bigfoot. researchers. >> Hitchhiker effect.

>> Oh, yes. >> No kidding. >> Oh, yes. When you get down to the bare. basics with these guys, everyone in the. movie would admit it. That was in my. movie. >> It's all happened to them. Um, it's. happened to me twice. >> What happened to you? >> So, I was doing the research in California, moved to Colorado, and I was living in the foothills. outside of uh Morrison, Colorado, kind. of in a rural area. came out to my car.

one day and there in kind of the muddy. soil on right at my car was about a. 16inch track. Perfect. Just one. And it. was at a place I couldn't miss it. It. was right. I stopped everything. I. searched for like 300 yards in every. direction. Not another truck, just one. >> Did you take a picture? >> No. I probably should have, but I didn't. Nobody ever takes a takes a picture. >> But so I moved to Montana and at the.

time I was living with another lady and. I have I have a forest all around me and. she went for a hike and she text me. She. says, "You need to come out here right. now.". Uhoh. Grab my gun, go running back there. She. goes, "Look, Dave." And there on the. side of the trail is a 15 16inch track. Perfect. Just like my house in Colorado.

Perfect. And she goes, "What do you make of. that?" I says, "Well, let's let's look.". So, we spent an hour looking. Couldn't. find any other track. So, then we turn around, start walking. back home. And I have to go over to this. little null on the trail. And I swear to you on my anyone's life. as we go up over the trail, laying right. in the middle of the trail is a deer. leg. >> Wow. >> Perfect. Right in the middle of the. trail.

>> But no deer, just the leg. >> Just the leg. It was placed there so we wouldn't miss. it. And she goes, "Oh, they're here, Dave." I go, "Oh, yeah, there. >> That's your bowling ball in the Rick. Creek moment. Let's get Let's go home.". >> Yeah. So, uh, things like that have happened to us. before. Uh, we were in. Colorado when I was living there and. there was a trail we always like to hike. up in northern Colorado and it snowed.

like 6 in that morning and we were going. to take the hike anyhow. And we were out. about a mile and a half and in fresh. perfect snow. starting on the hillside to our left. crossing the trail in front of us and. stopping like 5t on this side. Perfect. perfect set of tracks stops starts right. there where you can see and stops right. there where you can see. But that. happens all the time. Now, the reason. I'm leading you on this is that these.

aren't these creatures there leaving one. track. There's something else going on. And I think it has to do with being in. multi places at the same time and being. being able to leverage that. to send us messages. Messages, I don't. know what it means other than, hey, we're here. We're keeping tracks of you. I don't know. >> This is like part of the trickster. legend. where they leave you just enough. to let you know that we're here, but not.

enough to prove it. >> See, I I don't believe that because I I. think that they cooperated with Scott. and I and purposely left their DNA for. us, >> left their hair, left their tracks. >> How intelligent do you get the sense. they are. >> way smarter than us? Really. >> way smarter. Yes. >> Then why dig through garbage for food? Why not open a a Denny's? A big foot big foot dennies would be a. good idea. >> See, those are the parts I can't square. You know, if they're hyper intelligent,

why why pluck a chicken? >> What's what's nonintelligent about that? >> I guess that's how how we're going to. eat it. >> That's how we do it. >> Yeah, we're going to [laughter] eat it. >> Yeah. So, there's just parts of the. story I can't square, but there are. parts that I can't um I can't disprove. So, one of the things I've talked about. in my channel before. is I was I was at a conference and. somebody asked me to go to lunch and. they were super smart. So, I said,

"Okay, I'll go." They said, "Dave, I got. a theory for you." You know, this one. really made me think. Dave, you've heard of that theory that we're. in a simulation. Now, put your guard down for a second. and think we really are in a simulation. >> I think we are. And whoever's playing. this game with us, they earn a certain. amount of points. And once they get enough points, they.

can put a Bigfoot down and see how you. you humans down there will react to it. I love this theory because that's what. you do. If you're playing Sim City or. whatever, if you earn the Bigfoot bonus, let's drop a track, see what he does, >> wouldn't you? >> Yeah. send Godzilla, whatever. >> Yeah. And then he said, "And then on. that other side, we have this ant farm. next to us,

and Earth is the ant farm, and every once in a while, [clears throat]. the home body 20 planets away needs some. fresh DNA, and they pluck some out.". >> I've heard that before. >> Yeah. I What can you say? >> It's unfalsifiable. It's a It's a great. theory. >> Yeah.

>> I lean toward simulation theory. Speaking of science and physics, you. brought in a couple of are these missing. scientists, right? Yeah. >> Which is in They're in the news. >> And we've got four men here. They're all. German scientists, right? >> Yes, sir. >> What happened to these guys? So, here's the intriguing part behind. this. First of all, I came up with this. on my own about four or five years ago. Three out of the four are from Germany. The young man on the far left, he got a.

special scholarship because of his. brilliance, Fulbright scholar to come to. uh. the states and study uh graduate level. physics. He disappeared in Olympic. National Park January 20th 1992. He was. a genius. Aloff cross the second man was here for. a physics conference in Los Angeles at. Lake and he came went to Lake Arrowhead. for the conference. He was a university. professor of physics in Germany. 62.

years old went on a hike with some. people sponsored by the conference. As. they go on the hike, there's like 20. people. He starts to feel ill. This is. something I talk about in missing p. persons uh cases. If you and I are out. together, sometimes one of us will get. sick and say, "Hey, you go on. I'm going. to wait here." That point of separation. He sits down. There's a guide at the. front of the pack, a guide at the back. The guy at the the guide at the back. also doesn't feel good. So, he and Cross.

both sit down. Cross says, "I feel better." And he. takes off. And the other guide says, "Well, I'll meet up.". Croft took off and never was found. again. Bingo, gone. Rich Reinard Kchner, he worked for a company called GSI. Corporation. He's a physicist. He was. studying heavy ion research. They had an. accelerator where they bring in. physicists from all over the world. He. was here on vacation. and he landed in. uh Vancouver,

rented a caba camper, drove down to the. little Colorado River gorge. and went for a hike. He had been there. the year before. He was by himself, disappeared, never found again. Carl. Dish this missing May 865 at the Bird. Ice Station in Antarctica. He was an. ionospheric physicist originally from. Wisconsin working for Boulder Labs, the. National Bureau of Standards. He was walking between buildings there.

>> at in Antarctica. >> Antarctica during a storm and they have. ropes that you hold on to. He'd been. there for a long time. He knew the gig. >> Somehow or another he got off off the. rope and he disappeared. Um, now the. interesting part about that is that. there were rumors and you can look this. up that there were lights in the skies. scene and supposedly. he called into the ice station years. later and says, "Hey, I'm alive. I'm.

someplace else." Or something weird. >> really. >> Now, that's not the only one. Kchner. uh when he disappeared. disappeared really in the middle of. nowhere in the desert out there in the. little Colorado River gorge. There were. some sheep hurders that when he. disappeared they saw lights in the sky. above his. uh cabover camper. And when the Arizona. State Police took over that key, that.

case in the report they cuz I have it, it says they saw lights in the skies and. thought he was abducted by aliens. I've. never seen [laughter] anything like. that. >> Wow. >> In a police report ever in my life. It's. in the report. So, for what it is now, the we talk. about linkage. This is the only time I've ever seen. confirmed linkage. All of them were. physicists. All of them were German. >> What makes it not a coincidence? Because.

they're so spread apart. >> How about this? I can't find another. physicist in the world that's missing. other than those four. >> That's That's a good answer. And what do. you make of the scientist controversy. now? >> Is it over is it overhyped? Well, first of all, not all of them were. scientists. Several of them, one of them was a. program manager, massaclin,

[clears throat]. and a couple of others were just. peripheral support people. I think the. press is trying to find linkage when. there is none. >> Really? >> Really? I think so. I think a couple of. them are real. Couple of them are. suicides. >> I'm with you on on most of that. I, you. know, I tend to think the press is a. tool of of the state. Um, but I think. it's overhyped a little bit. I don't. talk much about it because I think a. couple of those scientists are would. like to be left alone at the moment. So, I'm I'm doing that.

>> It's very honorable of you. [laughter]. Um, well, because I've covered so many. of these cases of people working on. advanced research that just they get. suicidal, the home invasions, mugged in. front of their house, you know, in broad. daylight. it over and over and over. again. >> So, getting back to the German. scientists here, I hope you don't mind. me saying this, but on my YouTube. channel, Can-Am Missing, like Canadian. American Can-Am Missing Project is mine?

>> Yeah, plug it. >> Half a million followers. >> Oh, it's going up. >> Oh, yeah. >> Going up. >> So, we talked about Germans disappeared. and they disappear at more of a. frequency than normal people. Now, why. is that? I get a lot of people that talk. about that and some people say, "Oh, there's something about the German. blood. There's something about Germans. going back centuries that it's. different." I I have no idea if any of. that's true, but I'll throw it out. there.

>> Well, they're they're the most common. ethnic group in America or German. descendants. >> Could just be that 30% or so. >> Yeah. But how do you account for only German. physicists? I can't. I can't. And um you know with with Carl Dish, when you handed me this earlier, I saw. the date and I was like, "Oh, this is a. Nazi scientist." And you said, "No, he's. the only American on there.". >> Yeah, that's right. But German heritage. >> Mhm.

So, no trace of Ste. So, Bissard, he was. he was out of Washington. >> He's in the movie. That case is in the. movie. >> That's right. I remember him. So, no trace. >> No trace. And you got Yeah. I mean, that's. 34, 35 years ago, and still nothing's. been found of his, which is odd. >> Mhm.

>> So, let's just let's just think about. that. What are what's the consistency? They were by themselves. They were in a very, very remote area. when they disappeared. How odd is that. that those guys would be in that space. at that time and disappear considering. who they are? I mean, none of them made a living being. in that remote space.

The the two guys in the middle, one a. professor in Germany, one a physicist at. a big corporation in Germany, and. they're here. And it happens here. Yeah, it's it's weird what you know with a lot. of your cases they're experienced hikers. but there's so many cases where it's. like these men have never go out for a. hike and suddenly you're you do. So. Kchner was it had been said that he was. a hiker and that he had gone to this. little Colorado River gorge before. Now. when he disappeared.

there were some US fish and wildlife. people actually down in the water in the. gorge doing some studies said they never. saw anybody come down there. So, if he didn't go down in the gorge, where did he go? >> Have you tried to get these cases yet? >> I do have Kerser's case. >> You do? >> I do. Uh, Dish's case, I don't even know. if there is a, you know, a case because. it was at Antarctica. >> Yeah. >> Uh, cross, he would be the LA County.

Sheriff's. And Bissard's case is. National Park Service. Are there any agencies that that. cooperate with you? Do you have any are. there any good guys out there? Oh yeah. Uh I tell people that in most. jurisdictions the sheriffs are really. really good guys. And the reason for. that, we elect them, >> right? >> Police chiefs political appointees.

>> Sheriffs, no. We got them into office. They usually respond. They're usually. good. Not everybody, but usually good. people. >> The Bureau of the Interior is infamous. for being latigious about its image and. yet has not sued you. >> No, I I don't think they they have issued a. public statement about you, have they? I. mean, they know who you are. >> Not that I know of.

It's, you know, because it's very hard. for the skeptics. It's like if he's. lying, they could just. sues people. Um, you were working with um Tim to try. to get to. Secretary of the Interior, >> Congressman Burchett from Tennessee. >> Mhm. >> Absolutely. Salt of the earth guy. >> Mhm. >> Uh he's he's actually in our movie and.

um he tells a a Bigfoot story. He's a. big believer. Um he was he had a fighter. pilot tell him tell him a story at the. park right near where he lives at Great. Smoky National Park. Fighter pilots's. driving through the park and he says. Bigfoot Rock right in front of our car. in front of my wife and I. And Tim goes, "Dave, this guy wouldn't even lie. Never. lie." Um, anyhow, he'll he's tried to. help me before and trying to get through.

into the Department of the Interior to. get to Bergam who's the head of it. Uh, he knocks them down some doors, uh, got. me to them. and they wouldn't wouldn't call me. >> So, you you got to Burnham? >> No, no, no, no. I got to the Department. of the Interior. >> and then they stopped. returning my calls. So it doesn't matter what kind of. administration's in power. It's always. Stonewall. No matter who's in charge.

It feels like the UFO disclosure story. Doesn't matter who was in charge. You. get read into the program and suddenly I. can't release the files. >> Is there a case that that uh. that you still kind of think about. maybe is solvable? Maybe. bothers you? >> Aris, >> Stacy Aerys, does. >> what is it about her case?

>> I've never seen them put up such a fight. over any case like that. >> Do you ever identify agent you? >> Oh, I know who he is. Yeah. >> Oh, you do? Oh, >> yeah. >> That's his real name. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, it sounds Asian, but he's white. Oh, >> that's helpful, actually. [laughter]. >> Yeah. And you haven't been in touch with him. since? >> Nope. >> Did you file an appeal against that. foyer denial? >> No.

>> Why not? >> I think there's a time to fight and. there's a time to just. go backwards a little bit. >> That's that's not your hill to die on. >> No. And I was having I'm still having. success getting other case files from. other areas. So rather than make a huge. stink about that that maybe shuts down. the whole system. Yeah. Let that let. that dog lie for a little bit. Something. will come on that case in the future. >> That's smart. You want to pick your.

favorites? >> Yeah. Well, before we get out of here, maybe it's a weird way to close this, but I think it's important. Advice for. people going out in the wilderness. >> Great question. So, uh, in fact, I'm going to do one in. the next two weeks. Every spring, I do a. video on what to carry in your backpack. and how to get it arranged so that if. the worst happened, you'd walk out of. there eventually. The number one thing.

is carry a personal locator beacon. And. they're they're about the size of your. phone. And believe it or not, most. phones these days actually have that in. it. But besides carrying your phone, make sure you carry a a charger with it, an extra battery, solar battery, something to make sure that that thing. will work in an emergency. There's there's a new device that just. came out within the last year that is. just extraordinary. It's about the size of a quart-siz milk.

carton. And what it is is there's a. canister inside. You activate the. canister, you point it in the air, and a. balloon goes straight up 150 ft. >> That's great. >> And there's a light in the balloon, and that is your SOS. So, if the personal locator beacon. didn't work, that balloon is going to. get seen everywhere. >> Mhm. >> And uh I always tell people, I I usually.

introduce a couple of different bars. that I know of to carry in your. backpack. Water. um etc. But it's a good question. Personal locator beacon should be. carried by anybody, especially if you go. off trail. If you go off trail and you. break your leg, you're not coming out of. there. >> I've noticed that a lot of the parks, national parks, don't want you to carry. your gun there, even if you're licensed. to carry. Have you found that? I mean, >> doesn't doesn't really matter what they.

think. >> I mean, I'm bringing mine anyway. >> Yeah. So, the way the law is is whatever. state the park is in, if you could. legally carry your gun concealed in that. state, then you can carry the gun. concealed in the park. >> I didn't know that. >> Yes, it's a law. >> Oh, >> it's a law. So, as an example, if you're a Montana. resident like me and you travel to. California and because we have CCW laws.

in Montana that are very loose, that. doesn't mean I can carry my gun. concealed in California. >> No. >> In the parks. But could I do it in Idaho? Yes. Could I. do it in Wyoming? Yes. >> Reciprocity. >> Yeah. Washington, Oregon, California? No. But I would encourage anybody. who has the wherewithal, go down to your local rifle or pistol. range, get an NRA instructor, get.

comfortable with a weapon, and carry a. weapon when you're hiking if you can. And always, always, always carry bear. spray if there's bears in that area. >> Good advice. Um, anything else you want the folks to. know where to find you? Missing4411.com is my website for. Bigfoot and missing people. Not that. they're related, but uh I was talking to. you about Jeff Meldroom and I doing the. cruise. >> Yes. >> I actually have a missing 411 cruise and.

a Bigfoot cruise allin-one leaving in. September for uh Alaska. >> Do you promise the cruise comes back? >> I promise the cruise will come back. It's probably I've done this three. times. It's the most beautiful place to. go by boat in the world. And go through. my website, missing411.com. You can find. the cruise and all the information about. it. But uh. >> so it's you and some experts on the. cruise giving talks and stuff. >> Oh yeah. And hey, we walk around. We get. stopped by people all the time. I'm I'm.

telling you, if you if you want access. to the smartest, best researchers in the. world, that's the place to go. >> Okay. >> You going to join us? >> I'm into it. I love it. And uh lastly, I would say uh my website. for uh YouTube, our YouTube channel, half a million subscribers. I load a new. video on a missing person every other. day. Canm like Canadian American Can-Am. Missing Project. >> The videos are great. Uh you're a great.

storyteller as well. So, and also very. compassionate. So, a lot of the stories. are touching. You're doing important. work. Dave Fly, thanks for coming in. >> Thank you very much. Bye [snorts] everybody. That was David. Plagus. [music]. We covered Missing 411, the Bigfoot DNA, Skinwalker Ranch, and the cases without. a clean [music] ending. So, let me break. it down. Here's what we know. David was. a cop for almost 20 years in the San. Jose PD. [music] That's true. The Stacy. case is real. In July of 1981, the.

14-year-old walked toward a lake in. Euseite in plain view of her father and. never came back. One of the biggest. searches in park history turned up a. single camera lens cap. Kenneth Arnold's. 1947 flying saucer sighting happened. while he was searching for a crashed. marine plane near Mount Reineer. That's. also on the record. Now, the bigger. claim. David funded a Bigfoot DNA study. run by a geneticist named Melba Ketchum. She said the maternal line went back. 15,000 [music] years and the father's. DNA matched nothing on record. Well,

there's some problems with that [music]. study. Her 2013 paper ran in a journal. called Denovo that had never published. anything before or since. It looks like. [music] it was built to print this one. study. In fact, the paper was purchased. or launched, I think, nine days earlier. Other geneticists also found problems. with the study. One lab traced the. sample back to a black bear, and no. outside lab has been able to reproduce. any of these results. Now, David knows. the study isn't widely accepted and has. rebuttals, but based on my research, we.

can't rely on that [music] DNA. And. there are other problems with the study. that you can find online if you want to. look into it. But there are no simple. answers to the paperwork problem. Stacy. Harris vanished 45 years ago. [music]. David filed a records request for her. file and got denied under an exemption. meant to protect active criminal. investigations. A missing 14-year-old. girl from 1981 is somehow still an open. criminal [music] case. He asked for a. list of everyone missing across the park. system. They told him it would cost $1.4.

million or that no list exists. A cop. asking [music] for those files shouldn't. have to fight this hard. And look, the. list exists. I think the government is. lying. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. [music] David Politis isn't telling you. aliens are abducting people. He never. claims anything is paranormal. He lays. out the cases and lets you decide. What. he wants is the data the government. won't release. And that's a cop's. instinct, not a believer's. Whether it's. something strange in the woods or a.

system that won't count its own missing, the real story is the same. We can't get. a straight answer from the government. His books and films are at. missing411.com. The newest are on Amazon, three are free. on Tuby. If a Vanishing in the Wild. story [music] interests you, watch our. episode on Kenny Beach. He walked into. the Mojave looking for a cave and never. came out. It's [music] a great story. Until next time, be safe, be kind, and. know that you are appreciated.

>> [music]. >> Oh. yeah, [music] I play in Area 51. A secret code. inside the [music and singing] Bible. said I would. I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as. well as music singing [music] like I.

should. But then another conspiracy theory. becomes the truth [music] my friends. and it never ends. No, it never ends. [music]. I feel [music] the crab cat. I got stuck. inside with MKL being only true aware.

[music] Did Stanley Cubrick fake the. moon landing alone on a film set or. would [music] shadow people there? The Roswell aliens just fought the. smiling man, [music and singing] I'm. told. and his name was cold. And I can't. believe I'm dancing with the fishes. Hit. your fish [music] on Thursday night, Wednesday,

[music]. [music]. >> [music]. >> The math man sightings and the solar. storm still come [music] to the secret.

city underground. Mysterious number [music] stations, planet surf too, project star gave and. where the dark watchers found [music]. in a simulation. Don't you worry though. the black night satellite over to me. So. I can't believe I'm catching with the. fish. on Thursday [music] night with J and.

all through the night. >> [music]. >> All I ever wanted was to just hear the. truth. So. all through the night. [music]. that's when they change you and me all. through the night. All I ever wanted was to be the truth.

One more time. [music]. to dance. [music]. Loves to dance. Girl loves to dance on the [music] dance. floor because she is a camel. Camels. love to dance when the feeling is right.

on ways in time. [music]. >> [music].