A Time Travel Story | The Dodleston Messages from the past and future

in december 1984 ken webster a high. school teacher was living with his. friend nick and girlfriend debbie in the. small village of doddleston one evening. the three were walking home from the. local pub when they saw a pulsing green. light emanating from their cottage. windows when they got inside they saw. something to terrify them though their. computer wasn't connected to any network. and everyone in the house was gone all. night a strange message was written on. the screen a message addressed to them. by name over the next few months more. messages appeared and eventually ken and.

his friends began corresponding with the. person on the other side at first ken. thinks this is a hoax or a prank but. over time he comes to believe that not. only the message is real they're being. written by someone living in the very. same house in the year 1541. let's find out why. [Music]. as written ken webster's book the. vertical plane strange things started. happening as soon as they moved into. meadow cottage at doddleston near the. border of england and wales one day ken.

noticed that small six-toed footprints. seemed to walk directly up the wall and. through the ceiling it's a very old. house so we thought they were just. little stains so he painted over them. but the next day the footprints were. back on top of new paint after that. ken nick and debbie would routinely see. bottles cans and boxes stacked in towers. sometimes over four feet tall they. assumed that friends in the village were. playing pranks but nobody came forward. two months after the first message. appeared ken debbie and nick returned. home from a day trip and found a new.

file had been saved on the bbc computer. the file name was r-e-a-t-e. they opened it. what strange words thou speak. although i must confess that i hath also. been ill-schooled. thou art goodly man who hath fanciful. woman who dwell in mine home tis a. fitting place with lights which devil. maketh and costly things that only my. friend edmund grey can afford or the. king himself.

now this was not the way people spoke in. the eighties but there was more. it was a great crime to hath bribed mine. house. lw. ken printed the message and brought it. to school where most people thought it. was entertaining and nonsense but not. peter trinder trinder was a literature. teacher who was convinced it was written. in old english they interpreted the. phrase devil lights to mean the computer. and peter trinder asked ken to let him. know if any more messages appeared so he. can try and determine the location and.

the time period of the dialect a few. days went by but nothing but then ken. had an idea he wondered if since he was. able to receive messages. could he also send them. so he sat down on the computer and began. to type. now at this point in the story ken is. still not convinced that this isn't a. hoax but he admits that he's intrigued. so he plays along he sits at the. computer and types question after. question trying to get information about. who this is that could be sending. messages from wherever they're coming.

from. dear lw thank you for your message we're. sorry for disturbing you what would you. like us to do did you live on a house on. this land about 1620 do you want us to. tell you more about our time who is. edmund gray do you have a family is the. king james or charles what is the charge. house was this village called doddleston. in your life thank you very much for. your messages thank you for not making. us afraid ken debbie and john.

they save the messages to disk then lead. the computer on and head out to the red. lion pub the hope is that if they leave. the computer alone for a while that it. would prompt a reply and that's exactly. what happened when they returned home a. few hours later a new message was. waiting for them it was an honest farm. of oak and stone it is helpful that you. should tell me about thy time dust thou. have horse edmund grey brother of john. gray lives at kineton hall thy king of. course is henry viii who is 6 and 40. i.

know what of king james. my charge house is a place of law. schooling. lw. the 28th of march i know 15 1521. this was a troubling reply in more ways. than one first the facts about the. history of this time were wrong in 1521. henry viii was only 30 years old not 46. but to be sure ken delivered the message. to peter trinder for analysis and. trinder confirmed that the historical.

facts were all wrong kinderton hall. wouldn't be built for another 200 years. and there's no mention of edmund or john. gray in any record or document and ken. was troubled by the use of modern. grammar and punctuation like question. marks which wouldn't have been used in. the 16th century so that left the other. possibility that there was an intruder. in the house and this had ken debbie in. it concerned but that weekend can borrow. the bbc computer once again to see if. more messages would come did they get. more messages. they did they received a whole bunch of. details about the house the village the.

time and most importantly instead of. being signed by the mysterious lw. they were signed with the author's full. name. in the next message the author gave all. kinds of details about his life he. talked about losing his wife and son to. the plague he talks about how he. harvests barley for ale and makes his. own cheese he describes the house as. humble made of red stone and sitting on. a pretty parcel of land now meadow. cottage where ken nick and debbie were.

living was not made of redstone but they. were doing renovations when they dug up. some of the land in the garden and. looked under the kitchen they discovered. the foundation of another structure much. much older than theirs tell me they. found redstone. and the foundation was indeed made of. red sandstone. now these latest messages also had a. different tone the author seemed to. think that ken was intruding on his. house and had his own concerns about. this conversation he finally signed the. message lucas and eventually we learned.

that lw's full name is lucas wayneman. ken now had a lot of details that could. be checked for accuracy so he delivered. them to peter trinder to see what he can. find and trinder felt that the dialect. sentence structure and intermittent use. of latin placed the messages in the. middle of the 16th century in the. cheshire area which is exactly where. lucas wayman said he was living also as. time went on the historical facts became. more consistent and accurate and lucas. writes that king henry viii is married. to catherine parr so that put him in the. 1540s which is pretty consistent with a.

lot of the other details but the names. lucas mentioned like richard wishell and. others couldn't be found so this is a. hoax well not necessarily it was a hoax. you'd think that the messages would be. full of names and facts that could be. easily checked but lucas was a simple. rural farmer he'd really only have. knowledge of the king and people in his. village a tiny hamlet like dodelstone. wouldn't keep detailed records of every. individual living there now lucas. doesn't know where ken is. but eventually ken reveals that he's. actually writing from the year 1985 and.

that's where the story takes a turn. you said your time be 1985. we thought you were also from 2109. like your friend. what the. 2109. what friend it would appear that. whatever phenomenon that ken webster. encountered that allowed communication. to the past was also a conduit for. communication to the future. as more texts came in and as more of the. information was researched by peter.

trinder ken was believing less that this. was a hoax the responses were coming too. fast for someone to be breaking in and. leaving files in his computer and ken. and debbie was starting to believe that. they were somehow communicating with a. real man a man who lived 400 years ago. on the same piece of land where ken was. living now but who were the people from. 2109. lucas didn't seem to know lucas thought. they were friends of ken's so ken did. the obvious thing he asked. calling 2109. and then came a response.

ken deb peter. we are sorry that we can give you only. two choices. one that you either have your. predicament explained in such a way that. you have instant understanding but cause. what should not happen. or two try to understand that you three. have a purpose that shall in your. lifetime changes the face of history. we 2109. must not affect your thoughts directly. but give you some sort of guidance that.

will allow room for your own destiny. all we can say is that we are all part. of the same god. whatever he or whatever it is. apparently ken's computer had opened. two-way communication not only with the. past but with the future as well and. according to 2109 this communication had. purpose though we don't yet know what. that purpose is meanwhile meadow cottage. was experiencing more and more events. that seemed to be a poltergeist. footsteps were heard at all hours of the.

night but when they were investigated. nothing was there except footprints. sections of the house would become so. cold that breath was visible more. objects were found stacked in corners of. rooms tapping was heard even words were. found written in chalk around the house. including lucas's name the anxiety was. becoming too much deb had rented another. house nearby so they could occasionally. get some sleep and nick who'd been with. them since the beginning and moved out. deb tried to find some explanation for. what was happening and pulled some maps. of the area she learned that a ley line.

was running. what's a ley line well a ley line is an. alignment drawn between two structures. that supposedly possess or can harness. energy stonehenge the great pyramids. chichen itza and other significant. structures are built on ley lines was it. cottage built in a ley line it was and. after discovering this deb started. having visions and vivid dreams about. lucas even interacting with him like he. was trying to communicate further it's. at this point that ken and dead bring in. help the society of psychical research. they called in heavies they did and the.

spr sent two researchers to meadow. cottage and the plan was either to. debunk or prove the phenomenon once and. for all. [Music]. the society for psychical research or. spr had been investigating the. paranormal since 1882. and they're still around today oh gee. ghost hunters they are and two. investigators david welch and john. bucknell from the spr arrived and. proposed a test they would send 10. questions to 2109 and then delete them.

but ken and deb would have no idea what. the questions were ken and deb were then. separated from the computer while they. waited for a reply and a few days later. david john. david you interfere with communication. next time you decide to perform your. little experiment you must be clear from. here we suggest you try someone else to. sit with debbie yes we are what you. would call a tacky on universe but your. understanding is incorrect we ask.

nothing more of you than to carry on as. you would prefer. we will have john present if given. choice or you may bring another as. mentioned. no it is no concern to us that this is. not proved. we will give you a plotting of a star. next time. we move at a speed so that we cover. every point in your time and universe. we have no form we feed of a heat energy. that you will not have heard of. 2109. [Music].

david welch said that 2109 didn't answer. the questions but had picked up on all. the questions in the right order and ken. and dead thought this would prove that. they were not perpetrating a hoax the. spr investigators weren't so sure they. speculated that maybe sensitive. microphones could have been planted to. let them know the questions in advance. they spoke the questions out loud no. they didn't but the investigators. thought that maybe a microphone could. pick up the sounds of the keys being. pressed and that ken would be able to. deduce what they were typing that sounds. like a stretch to me it does but for.

something like this it's best to. eliminate every possibility the spr. investigators left and ken looked for. more ways to convince them that what was. happening was real frank davis another. teacher at ken's school agreed to come. over as a witness when he arrived at the. study where the computer was set up he. reported that the room became extremely. cold for two or three minutes before. returning to normal they all went into. the kitchen for a while to talk when. they came back to check the computer a. new message had arrived but. this time. it was from someone else.

when ken debbie and frank davis checked. the computer that evening a new message. was shown on the screen and it wasn't. from lucas it was from someone who. called himself john who was a friend of. lucas's john said that the local sheriff. had lucas imprisoned for witchcraft and. communicating with spirits so for days. no new messages arrived and ken and. debbie attributed this to lucas rotting. in a prison cell somewhere meanwhile. peter trinder was still feverishly. trying to decipher the past messages and.

trinder enlisted the help of a librarian. at bresnos college at oxford and lucas. claimed to have attended brazenos and. gave ken a list of books to check to. prove he was telling the truth now after. some time the librarian confirmed that. not only did every single book exist at. the college but they were all. contemporary to the 1520s exactly as. lucas described finally. ken and deb decided to take an. aggressive approach they demanded that. word be taken to the sheriff that lucas. be freed or they would use their power.

against him that seemed to get the. sheriff's attention and lucas was. immediately freed now sensing a new. kinship ken asked lucas if he was the. one moving objects around the house. lucas says it wasn't him but the same. thing was happening on his side both ken. and lucas began to suspect that the. poltergeist activity was being caused by. the mysterious entity that they called. 2109. so lucas asked ken to move the bbc. computer to the kitchen which on lucas's. side would let him communicate more. privately a 2109 had warned ken and.

lucas to not give each other details. about their lives but they were growing. distrustful lucas then proposed an idea. that sounded completely bizarre he asked. that a paper and pen be set next to the. computer now ken didn't understand this. but he did as he was instructed the next. morning next to the computer was a. handwritten note the writing was elegant. and archaic and the note was signed. thomas. early in their communications lucas. whose real name was thomas was reluctant.

to give his real name he said that this. was out of fear of being accused of. witchcraft which actually came to pass. but thomas left clues about his full. name in his letter he said you have my. name in your book it is also the name of. peter's house peter lived close by in a. town called harwoodyn which was also the. location of the school where ken and. peter taught using this information ken. and peter were able to track down a man. named thomas harwarden who was a fellow. at bresnos college at oxford in the. 1530s this was their guy and ken debbie.

and peter were getting very close to the. truth and learning everything they could. about thomas howard but the entity known. as 2109 seemed to be upset by this a few. days later the computer was moved into. the bathroom on its own and then ken. found a message scribbled in chalk on. the floor. one more chance. measure frequency by plus two energy. what else other than sound and light. this 2109 is freaking me out i know. ken deb peter we have reason to believe.

you have lucas weinman's true name if. this is correct you must say so so we. can rectify the problem immediately. before it is accepted. she is touchy yeah and ken wanted to. minimize his contact with 2109 after. more communication with thomas hardin in. the 16th century ken learned that 2109. was tampering with many of the earlier. messages that thomas aka lucas had sent. apparently 2109 was trying to obscure. details to prevent ken from discovering.

thomas's true identity which is why some. facts were wrong meanwhile the society. for psychical research had lost interest. in the case they told a local paper. clearly if this case is a hoax then the. two teachers are the prime suspects i. believe it is also possible that a third. party was responsible i would have loved. to prove it was genuine it would have. been the most unique phenomenon ever. recorded something or someone is doing. it it was not the job of the spr to. point the finger. as ken suspected the spr was extremely.

skeptical and wasn't taking the. investigation seriously so ken contacted. the spr to obtain the records of the. case. strangely the spr said there is no. record of such a case. investigator john bucknell had. disappeared and nobody can reach him and. there was no record of anyone named. david welch affiliated with the spr as. far as the spr is concerned none of this. ever happened and everyone connected to. the case was gone apparently 2109 was. aware of ken's frustration because a few. days later they contacted him and this.

time they gave him the name of someone. to contact no and a phone number. when ken sat down at the bbc computer. 2109 had left him a very specific. message. we asked you to do the following there. is a brilliant researcher ufologist we. know you don't like the word his name is. gary m rowe his ideas differ somewhat to. yours but nevertheless he can help you. with a couple of your problems you may. phone him at the number below and invite.

him to talk with you when he comes show. him this and ask him what he makes of it. peter must do the telephoning tell them. that you got a telephone number from a. ufo enthusiast. 2109. gary lowe was a ufo investigator who was. skeptical but he did come out to meadow. cottage with all kinds of equipment to. try and figure out what was going on. this began a series of communication. between gary and 2109 directly the. process was this gary would put a letter. in a sealed envelope and place it on top.

of the computer when 2109 would respond. the message was printed and put into an. envelope without ken reading it this. back and forth continued for some time. when gary finally sent the message back. to 2109 that read. greetings i am instructed to apologize. but in any event i would have done so my. volition there will be a letter. hopefully this weekend i am also. instructed to apologize to ken and. debbie i must try and answer your last. letter it would appear that you are more. important than i had realized in the. scheme of things gary.

apparently something in one of the. messages from 2109 had caused gary to. become very secretive about the. communication and the contents of the. letters ken became so frustrated and. angry that gary left that night. and they would never hear from gary. again. as ken continued to communicate with. thomas aka lucas lucas explained that. one night he saw glowing lights coming. from his fireplace from the light a man. stepped out and asked him to not be.

afraid when the man left lucas found. what he described as a light box in his. kitchen he realized that when he spoke. to the light box his words would appear. on a screen in glowing green letters and. on march 21st 1985 lucas had sent his. final message. my true fellows and sweet maid grona has. said that thomas must go i know it is. for the best because the people of. doddlestone are very wary of me it is. good to know that all will change and. there are true men to follow like ken.

and peter though 400 years is a long. time and there is much to happen to. mankind perhaps you will come to oxford. now i think there is no danger for me. there for i hear the king is very sick. and all is quiet in the church. i shall go by boat from cheshire to. bristol i shall try to make my stay at. brace nose i will write my book about my. brothers and maid and the end of lucas. and our love for one another one day you. will all sit down at my table for wine.

and mead by the river in oxford where we. shall read each other's books and laugh. and we shall speak of truth and good men. watching oxford change together. forevermore in your time my book is old. but i shall not go to my god until it is. written then we will all be truly. embraced my love to you all i shall. await you in oxford thomas harden. [Music].

well that was touching i thought so did. he ever write the book well we have one. final message from 2109. there is another person to come they. will be the help we need you will know. when they come thomas did eventually. write his book and he soon died shortly. after. he placed it in a secure place it. shouldn't take too many years to find it. though he wrote it in latin with the. help of a friend that he met in oxford. the inscription reads me writes this.

with the hope that mine friends will one. day find this book. then may our lands be not so distant. we will finish now you have a lot of. work to do there is no need to write. back as we will have gone thank you for. your cooperation. 2109. and no more communication would follow. in all lucas and 2109 had sent over 300. messages to ken and debbie and a few. years later ken would document the story.

in his book the vertical plane the story. would again be covered in 1996 in a bbc. documentary called from out of this. world and ken and debbie appeared on the. program but with their backs to the. camera they claimed that the messages. were real and they held important. information about our past and future. you can find debbie online posting as. recently as a few weeks before i. recorded this and she sounds reasonable. rational and convinced. while their story has many skeptics ken. and debbie insist that one day their. story will be revealed to be the truth.

i hope they're right. [Music]. wow this is a good story so how much of. it is real all of it none of it all of. it all of it. well here's what i've been able to dig. up peter trinder essentially worked as a. translator of the messages. the original script was so far and. sounding that he had to dig through. years of the oxford english dictionary. to decipher meanings of lots of the. words and trinder said that this would. be almost impossible to fake especially.

for someone with no background in. medieval languages. peter trinder even went on camera with. the bbc to say so it was very real. that's all i'm saying richard it was. very close the kind of thing that you. could not doubt. but all the time one was aware of the. possibility of hoax but if it was a hoax. by golly it was brilliant and on the. skeptical side also from the same. program there's dr laura wright of. cambridge looking at the verb structure. there are things which lucas says that. would not have been said in 1546.

it's true that individuals can make up. individual words but we don't make up. our verbs. it's possible or it was possible in. england in 1546 to say i do. thou dust he she or it doth he she or it. does but it wasn't possible to say i. doth or he she or it dust now all the. way through um lucas's messages he mixes. and messes up these suffixes with the. wrong subject finally when asked if she. thought it was a hoax by someone with a.

background in early english writing no. if somebody had a background in early. modern english writings they would do. they would their hopes would look a lot. better than this i mean they would get. their verbal inflections correct they. wouldn't choose vocabulary that came. from a period long before the period. that this is supposed to have been. written in um they'd do it a lot better. also a sample of ken's writing was run. through software and compared against. lucas's messages the result was that. both sets of writing tested close enough. with the software that they were. possibly composed by the same author now. ken said that 300 words isn't nearly.

large enough of a sample and that the. bbc specifically chose passages that. they were sure would give them the. results they hoped for media always has. an agenda that's true now ken and. debbie's roommate showed up in a forum a. few years ago saying that meadow cottage. was actually a peaceful place that he. never experienced any of the phenomena. that ken did so ken's lying well john. doesn't go that far he said ken was a. serious person and wouldn't want to open. himself up to ridicule by writing a book. that would make him out to be alone. another rumor which i read online i.

don't know if it's true is that when the. librarian was researching the books on. lucas's list it's been reported that. someone else was there also researching. the same books. that's just what i read on a blog post. i'm not judging i'm just reporting but. here's something interesting. in the book which was published in 1989. entity 2109 says that in ken's lifetime. verma's last theorem would be solved. pierre de fermat proposed a mathematical. theorem in 1637 and it was studied by. mathematicians for over 350 years and.

couldn't be solved well in 1995 andrew. wiles published the first successful. proof of format's last theorem a proof. that earned wiles the able prize 2109. was right they were and that's an. obscure detail for a hoaxer to just come. up with and it's a hell of a gamble also. 2109 gave the coordinates of an. undiscovered star that they said would. be important to mankind and years later. a quasar was found at those coordinates. and lucas talks about being imprisoned. by a sheriff thomas fowlehurst of. cheshire now there's no record of this.

man but i did some sleuthing and it. turns out that there absolutely was a. sir thomas falhurst with a slightly. different spelling but same. pronunciation who was sheriff of. cheshire in 1529 which is awfully close. to the right time hey do you ever find. that ufo guy ah gary rowe. though ufo researcher gary road. disappeared for years he's since spoken. out about the donaldson messages in the. description i'll link to a blog post. from as recently as 2017 where gary has.

all kinds of things to say he believes. every word of it he thinks he was chosen. to receive this information from 2109. because the information is safe with him. many people are highly skeptical about. the events related in the vertical plane. book quite rightly so given the degree. of strangeness. but i am not i left no stone unturned. and used cutting-edge science to get to. the truth in fact i believe it was the. first computer-controlled psychic. investigation recorded in the world i. know it really happened it changed my.

life forever it is going to change yours. the book will one day be isbn recorded. under the history section it is a. monumental historical marker in the. ribbon of time. is he right. i guess time will tell. i don't know if the doddleston messages. story can be debunked but it can. certainly be contested but i have to. admit a lot of the story can be. confirmed ken and debbie haven't cashed.

in and they seem to be very nice. intelligent reasonable people and after. the bbc program they sought no further. publicity about the story even knowing. how many books they can sell and ken. said back then. now just over 10 years after our own. adventures the sad but good advice seems. to be to keep quiet about it meadow. cottage was important to us it is. sufficient and although debbie can be. found online ken prefers privacy and i. think we should respect that all we can. hope for is that one day buried under. the dusty faded stacks in the brazenos.

library in oxford. someone will discover a mysterious book. handwritten in latin a book that tells a. fantastic tale of a relationship between. people across time people though. initially fearful and skeptical of one. another establish a friendship that. would change all their lives. and this book. when finally discovered will change. everyone's life everywhere forever. [Music]. thanks so much for hanging out with us. today my name is aj that cyclefish this.

has been the y files if you had fun or. learned anything do me a favor and like. subscribe comment and share all that. stuff really helps just trying to solve. the youtube algorithm is like trying to. communicate with 2109 using a word. processor but with your help. we can defeat it. [Music]. [Music].

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