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you know they'll say they're spending. $15 million uh uh a year on condoms for. the Taliban and you're like I'm pretty. sure the Taliban don't [ __ ] that much. that's one way to look at. [Music]. it ladies and gentlemen once again. welcome to the weekly Show podcast my. name is John Stewart that was that was. as welcoming and open as I could. possibly muster uh we are shooting this. this is the Tuesday after the Super Bowl. I don't know when this is going to be uh.

bearing uh in your in your earphones God. knows how much the world is going to. change between uh the time that we are. talking right now and recording it and. the time that you are going to be uh. absorbing uh and consuming it uh but. coming off the Super Bowl it did you. know I had this. feeling what are how do I draw the. parallels between uh the game we saw the. things that we saw during the Super Bowl. and the current moment isn't that clever.

to draw a line between the Super Bowl. and and our current moment and and what. the Democrats are and I I'll say this uh. I am a Giants fan New York New York. football Giants and the New York. football Giants have experienced a. really interesting year in that we kind. of sucked and [ __ ] the bed a bit and. when I say we I don't mean we I mean. they but I'm a fan so I'm going to throw. myself into the mix uh we won three. games uh decisions that we made were.

terrible but there was one decision in. particular uh which was the letting go. of a running back by the name of saquon. Barkley and saquon Barkley uh is a. unbelievable uh not just Talent. athletically but as a human being really. uh the kind of undefinable aspects of. his personality that make him an. incredible teammate and an incredible. leader and the Giants were recorded over. the summer. saying yeah we're not going to pay that.

guy why would we pay that guy the most. talented running back and human ever. maybe to have graced this locker room no. he's. out and the owner of the giant said uh. well as long as he doesn't go to the. Eagles well guess what he went to the. Eagles it was uh the Personnel decision. equivalent of the butt fumble which is. the famous New York Jets Mark Sanchez. running into the ass of his own. offensive lineman and losing a fum.

and the reason I bring it up is. boy to the Giants feel like the. Democratic party in that the Personnel. decisions that they're everything that. they are doing could not work out more. humiliatingly and continues to do so and. I don't know what kind of a draft pick. the Democrats are going to get this year. I don't even know if there's a draft. lottery in politics or any of those.

kinds of things. but boy they. better clean their [ __ ] up if they want. to. compete because the ass kicking that's. been laid upon them in all. aspects sometimes feels like a permanent. State uh but damn H Springs eternals so. who knows maybe the the Democrats draft. their shador Sanders or there I don't.

know this is probably too sporty for. everybody who even listens to this but. uh more importantly uh we are going to. get to discussions about the Democratic. party with someone who is uh well-versed. in all aspects of it having uh served as. a White House Press Secretary having. served in the Obama Administration. having worked at the state department so. we're just going to get to uh Our Guest. today we're going to break down uh what. what we believe are the the positives.

and negatives what can be done for this. New York. football Democratic party let's just get. to. it getting right to it uh delighted to. be joined today host of msnbc's inside. with Jens saki in the new MSNBC podcast. the blueprint with Jens saki former. White House Press Secretary under uh. Joseph robinet Biden uh and joins us now. Jen saki great to be here.

I loved how you said Robinette there. first of all I'll just note that you. know I I like to give the presidents. their full due with all the names that. God has graced them with yes um let me. begin with a rather intemperate question. okay I'm ready what the [ __ ] is going on. here I was hoping you were gonna tell me. oh I'm sorry let me let me check my. notes uh you were press you you were the. inside the guts of a White House you saw. how the sausage is made inside the White. House yeah uh you saw the pace of news.

makak you saw the pace of uh executive. actions tell us Cadence wise Tempo wise. what are you seeing as as the. differences between uh This president's. first how long has he been president 10. years now Trump but how long's this been. 10 10 and a half years to three weeks. it's been somewhere between three weeks. to 10 and a half years it's been three. weeks uh what what are you seeing about. just purely on Pace what are we do going.

well by Pace I mean I think the amount. of activity and movement is a lot right. but it's a that kind of movement I think. what is very different state the obvious. is the absolute gutting of agencies and. civil servants and people who have. worked for in government for decades. that's not something obviously we did or. any Democratic or republican. Administration has done so the premise. right now is democ democracy is was on.

the. ballot right for this election and so if. that's the case democracy got its ass. kicked ironically by the very thing that. it said was on the ballot democracy he. he won the election he got the popular. vote they kept the Senate they kept the. house the idea right now that I'm. hearing the most from the Democrats is. he is uh eroding our. democracy and there are procedural Ways. by which he is doing that not not.

honoring separation of. powers my argument is also that. democracy is eroded by the people not. feeling that it's agile yeah or. responding to your needs is that what. has put us in this situation did people. vote on Democracy being too analog in. this digital world not responding agile. enough and now by going through this. real executive unitary kind of uh.

reordering of Constitutional. Powers is he doing the people's bidding. is he is he doing this thing that will. make democracy how how do you how do you. process that well one of the ways I. process it is that I feel like when. Democrats and including people who are. on television um in a variety of ways. were saying things like thank you. authoritarianism is under threat and.

democracy is on the ballot I think we. were speaking in a manner that was so. academic and Ivory Tower it wasn't. talking about a lot of the things people. actually care about so I don't know that. people voted against democracy I think. they voted in some ways against um. protection of status quo and kind of the. disconnected um academic Ivory Tower. Elite language that is too often used by.

democrats sometimes on cable television. um and I'm just how D honest I'm being. honest no I that was one of my takeaways. after the election was like cross. authoritarianism and oligarchy out of. every script nobody talks this way um I. don't think that's the only thing but I. do think looking back at the election. one of the outcomes I hope people who. are not thrilled by the Trump. Administration which is a whole lot of. people take away is that Democrats and.

people running weren't talking to a. large swath of the country they were. kind of talking to a small group of. people um progressives they were talking. to um people who were primarily focused. on things that were in my view more. academic than they were real issues what. part in your mind was academic I wantan. I want to get you know is it they were. talking Civics when they should have. been talking uh something that was more.

directly impacting people's yeah. people's lives yes so um I think the. threat of fascism is a huge issue the. threat of authoritarianism huge issue. this guy's an aspiring dictator his. words not mine all of those are huge. issues I also think Liz Cheney is very. heroic wait what how did that wait where. did that come from here we. are but I don't think closing the. campaign with a message about fighting. democracy with a former Republican.

member of Congress was the right. strategy I'm not saying that's why they. lost what I'm saying is there were. millions of people who didn't turn out. to vote who many of whom have in the. past leaned toward Democratic issues. lean toward Democratic candidates and. Trump somehow massively won on issues. like the economy even though his primary. position is that he wants to lower tax. cuts for corporations and the highest. income Americans that reality means.

maybe something isn't going well he. would not say that that's his primary. position but is it also could it be said. that the lived experience of Americans. is that look Ronald Reagan had it in in. the 80s what's what's the scariest thing. that can happen it's somebody from the. government coming to your house and. going I'm from the government and I'm. here to help the idea being that. Democrats are the party of the. government they are the party of the. status quo and institutions and Stat. institutions yes and the status qu so I.

don't view that in any way as. Progressive so when we talk about oh. it's the elites and progressives and. things like that you're right maybe. progressives yeah you're right that is. not the right way progressives to. describe it it's Elites is the right way. to describe it yeah now we're talking. now this is the this is the conversation. that press secretaries have is this how. press secret when you're in the back. room I just acknowledged I was wrong and. things I said but but is. that how much is is messaging.

about arguments over the right word to. choose versus the impact of policy have. the Democrats lost themselves in message. speak and lost sight of that broader. goal well I think the Democratic message. speak still needs a lot of work um but I. think the as just to go back to the. original part your question on the press.

secretary job I think the people who do. it best or try to do it the best are the. ones who are policy focused on the. policy and understanding it so that you. can answer the 18th question you're not. worried about exactly every word you're. not trying to like I'm gonna say this. thing and it's going to be a Zinger and. go viral like you don't think like that. you think about understanding the policy. so that you can push the system. internally and provide more information. publicly that's not always how people. think it works but that's how it should.

work and how I think it worked or TR. tried to make it work when I was in the. job I wonder you know this idea now. right the the when I'm watching uh the. cable news now and the Democratic. messaging about what Elon is doing and. and Doge and all those other things the. point that you made about oligarchy and. Civics and separation of powers maybe. not being where not that they're not. concerns but that's not where the. messaging should be it feels like that. message hasn't gotten through because.

that's I'm hearing an awful lot about. separation of powers and very little. about defending usaid I'm not hearing a. lot about here's the specific program. that is so valuable and and by not. funding that this is what we lose. there's been to be fair there's been. some attempts at that but the. overwhelming majority has been we are. sleepwalking into a constitutional. crisis again taking the bait of the. large thing and not.

defending the efficiency or value of the. programs I would take it just one step. further is and I I worked at State. Department I think usaid is a tremendous. institution I don't think it should be a. front and center top messaging argument. should people in Congress defend and use. every lever of their power to prevent. the Trump Administration from getting it. yes because they play a pivotal role. around the world cracking down on. corruption defending a free press a.

million things but I guess when it comes. to how the Democrats are communicating. with the public the things that the. Trump Administration are doing that they. should be talking about more in my view. are getting access to people's Personnel. information their social security data. people anybody who's applied for a. government job that's millions of people. halting programs which a judge this week. said they haven't actually put back in. place all of the funding halts halting.

of the funding that they said they had. those are the kind of things that if you. are not really if you think government. is you know government's not popular as. you all know um Congress is not popular. why would why would that be right I. don't know institutions not popular true. so if you're trying to reach people who. are like GH government Washington then. talk about how this program that's being. cut off is helping your kids have early. childhood education it's helping you get. medic access it's helping you Farmers.

have subsidies but that seems obvious. Jen so why are they not doing. it I I wish I knew the answer to that. question that is the most painful sigh I. have ever heard i' I've retired from the. world of democratic messaging in some. ways um I think some people do it better. than others I think it is easy to get. caught up in the we're in a. constitutional crisis and we very well. may be I'm not trying to down play that. reality um when you have a president.

which seems to be what's happening and. an Administration who are defying a. court order that is ignoring the one. branch of government that is technically. I think as lawyers would Define it a. constitutional crisis right well then. through an appeal Pro like could be a. little bit down the road but yes a road. to a constitutional crisis how's that. that's what a press secretary does the. road to constitutional crisis boy if. that's not a title of a Rachel mattow. special I don't know what is well there. may be and then you're like how did she.

incorporate cigarettes giraffes Zimbabwe. it's like some sort of brain genius that. my brain doesn't function that way a. beautiful mind yeah I think some people. do it better than others I think there. is an there is an ease in using some of. this rhetoric that is applauded by. people who are very loud on social media. platforms when it's like it is an. oligarchy or it is you know yesterday I. uh on last night on my show I talked. about how what a constitutional crisis. actually is cu people keep throwing on. constitutional crisis constitutional.

crisis I'm like does everybody know what. that means maybe they do but I was like. this is what it is and people were. people were messaging me on social media. platforms always dangerous when you look. that up and they're like we know what it. is stop explaining it to us it's like. well okay I mean I don't stop explaining. things news person sorry but um I think. there is a um following the soccer ball. of you know everybody's calling it a. tech oligarchy we're all talking about. about fascism it's not that they're not.

issues it's just that that message was. not connecting with a majority of the. public and so that's where I think there. needs to be a readdressing what do you. think are the. important things you know I have my own. opinion about what I would like to. understand yeah what are the important. things if if you're the. news like here's what I would like to. see focused on yeah let's hear it what. are the mechanics of this audit how is. this audit being conducted it seems.

awfully quick I've never heard of an. audit that goes in and two days later. and like this is a criminal operation. like like they've uncovered a cartel. it's very easy to go in and pick a. program you know they'll say they're. spending $15 million uh uh a year on. condoms for the Taliban and you're like. I'm pretty sure the Taliban don't [ __ ]. that much like I'm I just can't that's. one way to look at it but true yeah so. what they've done is they've taken the. mantle efficiency right which I think a.

lot of people feel like is long overdue. in. government uncovering waste and Fraud. and Abuse but it seems like it's a. trojan horse for an. ideological. reordering so I would love to know what. the mechanics of this are and I have I. haven't seen much of it I would as well. I would also like to know um how do they. know they've destroyed the data that. they pulled out when they had access to.

it I'd also like to know what can. Congress exactly do I mean if we're. calling on them to do things and. Democrats are in the minority they have. limited power what should they push to. do right I mean should there be a push. to subpoena people from Doge I think so. I mean these are some of the things yes. I've lived in Washington and worked here. on and off for a long time but we've. never been in this exact scenario before. so the piece that I'm most interested in. is what now right what what are the s. that can be used obviously the courts.

have been active how many of these cases. could go to the Supreme Court they're. only going to pull probably pick maybe a. few I don't know but that's what legal. experts say which ones and what does. that mean for executive power um these. are the questions I also have that I. think to me you know one of the wake up. I don't know if it was a wakeup call but. one of the things I've thought a lot. about since the election was if we're. out there every day and. screaming um fascism CRA constitutional. crisis the world is ending. it's like well it's not answering.

people's questions right if they're. ending the show and that's all I'm. screaming at them what did they learn or. what did they gain from the experience. of watching the show and now as you know. sometimes you have people on and you ask. them these questions and they don't. answer them or they can't answer them or. they don't have the information and. that's fine but in this moment as it's. so fast moving I also feel this interest. but also responsibility to try to kind. of pull out what are the levers that can. be done what are the checks on power.

that can still be utilized do you think. this is a a. punishment that that the voters in the. country because right now it's still. broadly popular on all of us or the. punish in some ways is it a punishment. on what they think was the. Democrats uh inability to effectively. improve their their everyday lives and. what I'm interested in is is a triage.

for for the Democrats of seeing that. there's an understanding of how they. ended up in this position and I don't. see that yet and I don't know if your. experience is different I don't see that. yet either um that is not to go back to. plug my own podcast and I'm not really. trying to do that but I'm gonna do it. for a second hey what the son of a [ __ ]. all right well listen this was actually. one of the things in the weeks after the. election um where I felt like how I.

wasn't it wasn't that I was shocked out. of my mind that Trump won I mean I've. been in politics I've traveled around. the country but how did this happen and. why did this happen and what can be. learned from it which I think is pivotal. to understanding in order to figure out. how to move forward which I think is the. point a part of what I'm hearing from. what you're saying and I don't think. there's one answer and I know that there. are efforts in different places to. explore that question I think the DNC is.

doing one I don't know what will come. out of that I'm keeping my expectations. low um but that's sort of to me it is a. multitude of things it is how how the. Democrats are communicating about issues. but it's also maybe it's a policy. question too and let's not I'll just. call it a messaging issue because it may. not just be a messaging issue it's. misinformation and disinformation and. that's not just everybody shorthands. this as if Democrats only appeared on. Joe Rogan's podcast I'm like I'm not I. don't know that he's inviting many maybe.

he is but that's not the only answer I. think there's a lot of layers of it um. it's also the kind of candidates people. run that's not a hack on KL Harris I. mean in different races as well and. sometimes there have been Purity tests. in the Democratic party that aren't. particularly constructive the purity. test should be can you win and will you. be a part of the caucus because the. majority helps make things happen um I. don't have an answer yet but this is. this is the thing that I want to explore. do you think the Democratic party is is.

principled I do think the and sometimes. I don't want to say too principled. because that is not a good thing to say. but I think principled yes the. Democratic party RIT large are def. Defenders of Institutions that make the. country run the rule of law this is part. of the problem right right um they are. believers in the separation of. governments here's here's where we're. getting into it so I think other people. would say that's a veneer and that what.

Donald Trump is doing is exposing he's. actually explicitly exposing the dark. heart of how the world actually works. you know sort of that idea of hey man. it's corrupt and I know how to run a. corrupt uh system of quidd proquo I mean. look this is the final boss battle in. some ways of citizens united where. they're basically saying Money Talks. [ __ ] walks and and that's how things.

are done I mean they're making it so. that United States companies can't get. in trouble for bribing foreign leaders. when he said that he was draining the. swamp right I understood that as or I. understand that phrase as we are going. to crack down on. corruption I think what he's saying is. that's not how the world works so I am. going to exploit corruption because I.

have we're the biggest bullies on the. planet and it's time that. we swing our thing and and make that. happen and say things like hey Canada I. mean why you go out. Canada you know but but but is that is. he basically. exposing how the world and how business. actually works works first of all now.

I'm going to keep thinking about Donald. Trump swinging his thing which PHR. apologize you just used um It Was a. Teddy Roosevelt it was in the ri big. stick thing and I [ __ ] it all I got it. um okay I think what it is exposing is. how he thinks the world should work. right and how he thinks business to your. point should work it work that way Jen I. don't think that actually government. does work that way and I don't think I I.

I I think there are corrupt people in. both parties and we know that for look. Eric Adams well I guess he's who knows. what's happening with him next um you. know Menendez they're corrupt people but. I think I do I think that for the most. part the people who have been leading. the Democratic party at least in recent. years have been trying to do good in. more of a way of protecting rule of law. of trying to stand up for people in this. country than what we have seen from what. has become Trump's Republican party it's.

not the party of Mitt Romney or John. McCain anymore from what that version of. the Republican party is but that party. was ineffective to to a large that's. what I'm saying the world doesn't work. that way like when we say uh you know. we're promoting democracy and goodness. throughout the world and yet we bomb the. [ __ ] out of two countries for 20 years. create Untold instability in a region. because of our own interests you know.

what he's saying is I don't want to give. money to Ukraine unless they're going to. give us rare materials rare earth. materials according to that value but. that may be giving him too much credit. no he said I think he said it literally. I understand that but also he loves. Vladimir Putin and loves his dictatorial. nature and I think he also might be. inclined to just say you know what you. take whatever land you want and we'll. end this whole thing and then I can say. I ended this War I don't know that he's.

actually going to stick to what he said. about Ukraine and I who knows but like. he says all sorts of things I I hear. what you're saying I think the the. history of the country led by Democrats. and Republicans is imperfect there's. many moments even before Afghanistan. even before Iraq Etc but what I'm. getting at I think is that Trump I mean. what he is rebuilding the government as. is in the model of loyalty to him right. no question there no question there and. that is not what I think leaders from.

other parties I mean Republicans too. have ever tried to do in modern history. it's old school it's old school. patronage it's it's what civil service. was the swamp was created to remove that. aspect of of. patronage but I wonder sometimes how far. have we really come from the model and. this is not about the administrative. State this is like. how far have we come from the model of.

searching the globe for cheaper. materials and cheaper labor and when we. pretend that we're doing it for moral. value and freedom are we kidding. ourselves maybe at times I mean and. there are times I I mean mostly well. look I think there are also realities of. you know and I worked at the state. department for a couple of years and. you'd go to meetings and you would do a. readout of the meeting and often times. it was like oh we have to mention that. raised human rights right and the human.

rights mention would have been 5 Seconds. of a 2-hour meeting that is a truth. because there are I'm I'm acknowledging. look at the difference between the. defense budget and the state department. budget what's the defense budget $850. billion what's the state department. minimal 50 it is and right and if you. don't cut the defense department budget. you're not going to make the cuts anyway. that's a aside I do think though most. people who run for president and and I. know there are exceptions in history and. we can talk about them um do it because.

they want to make the country a better. place right they want to defend people. and represent people in the country I. don't think they do it necessarily. because they want to um you know have. cheaper labor nobody runs and that's not. what they have in their mind um but. making it a better place means. look capitalism is a system that you. know is a profit driven system it. rewards growth in profit and. distribution of of capital and it seeks.

its lowest Mark it's why you know when. we talk about globalization destroying. the the inner manufacturing nature of. our country we also have that race to. the bottom in the United States you know. Mexico is to America as South Carolina. is to New York you know they're always. competing for that that lower things so. I I think you can't separate when. presidents say I want to make make it. better you can't separate it from the.

system that we've that we operate that. makes it. better does does that make sense I yes I. know what you're saying however I do. think that the current situation we're. dealing with is a very different. destruct from internal or is it just an. just a more explicit expression of that. I think it's different okay and I think. it's far more destructive if you look at. I we've already talked I know about the. getting into the payment systems which.

is concerning we've already talked about. stopping programs that are benefiting. people across the country then there's. also now this loyalty test for people. applying to work and intelligence and. law enforcement sure these are things. that are rebuilding the the government. infrastructure in the model of Donald. Trump right and that model across all of. those branches or across all of those. elements is based on pure loyalty to him. and embracing kind of as you said the.

corrupt approach to governing right that. he thinks is okay but don't you think. we're talking about two separate things. those are those are two separate things. that may be one has set the environment. up for the other the weakness of our. government to be responsive in those. ways to the lives of the people has set. up that idea of globalization and. retraining people instead of giving. the idea that Walmart can pay its people.

to the point where they have to go on. food assistance like the systems that. we've set up that we're defending that. our status quo we subsidize. pharmaceutical companies we subsidize. oil companies yet we pay the highest. drug prices our like all those things. have added up to this no the systems. that we've created were Democrats not. urgent enough in the alarm Bells going. off about the corruption within our. so-called status quo system. yes and I think that that part of that.

was not addressing and listening to the. core people who should have been the. base and who are the base I think of the. democratic party which is a lot of. working people who are impacted by. exactly those policies you just outline. um so yes it is it is different things. and part of it is also there are things. that on its surface are that Trump has. said are act I mean government is. bloated it is inefficient. um and there are reasons why that should.

be addressed the way to do that is not. to have Elon Musk go you know Target. people who have attended Dei trainings. right totally UND you're you're exactly. right. but you know what did Kennedy say if you. make peaceful. Evolution you know impossible you make. Revolution inevitable. my point is and I'll be perfectly Frank.

I am probably I lean towards the Bernie. and the Elizabeth Warren and you know. all those sites e economically I've been. shocked by how undemocratic the. Democratic party can be tell me more. what do you mean by I don't disagree. with you necessarily but what do you. mean by that by putting their foot on. the the scales to get you know uh make. sure that Hillary Clinton comes out of. the thing or make sure that you know. that they're that they're listening to.

that anger about the way that even the. ACA quite frankly struck me as a very. conservative because it didn't have a. public option in it correct that it. didn't address the very thing that was. causing the foundational upset if I were. to break this down narratively what I. think the Democrats have forgotten is is. government may not be perfect but it's.

the only thing large enough to offset. multinational corporate exploitation and. Corruption and if we don't act like. that's urgent and that affects people's. lives then yeah you're so if the big. policies that we make are billions more. dollars to insurance companies that we. think are [ __ ] people over left and. right for their their healthare what so. isn't that part of why people lost faith.

yeah so yes I I think we're saying well. I'm trying to say something similar. which is this boom boom which is. Democrats just lost everything they. control nothing they control I mean they. don't control the house they don't. control the Senate they don't control. the White House and they don't control. the Supreme Court so right now is the. time to break some [ __ ] right and breaks. in China they do control the email lists. that continue to ask for money well. that's true they still have that I don't. even it's like an overwhelming um and.

that is what um and I you know I hear. the public option look I worked for. Obama he was would have been for the. public option he didn't think it could. get through right was he wrong maybe he. was wrong but that's the point so it's. The Audacity Of Hope with the governance. of the possible and that's the like. Donald Trump is nothing if not audacious. he manifests this way yeah but what does. he produce though I mean he doesn't even. if he sees tariffs as a success it's not. going to be but he even had to pull back.

from that it's like what are the. outcomes of his success of his Grand. proclamations well he accomplished them. he got the tax cuts that he wanted he. got I mean he basically got the cabinet. members that he wanted I mean he's as. you said he controls the Republican. party so that is like got what he wanted. right so he got some things he wanted I. what I'm getting at is like yes the. Affordable Care Act. imperfect but there would be or it's. that would have been that or nothing. that's how I think people at the time.

felt and you disagree because you think. completely disagree. because look this is a 50 to 60e project. that the Republicans have been on they. wanted abortion gone yes so what did. they do they stack the courts they they. stack the court they they go they have a. goal and they go and they work for. decades to achieve that goal they stack. the courts or they make uh regulations. that make it impossible for uh small.

Physicians offices to provide the kind. of health care for women that would be. necessary for those kinds of things or. they uh work through other measures they. don't go well we'll never get that done. so here's what we're going to do uh. we're going to make sure that within. Planned Parenthood there is also an. office of adoption and and that's what. we're going to do and that and then. we're gonna tout that as a victory they.

don't they have that's what I meant by. principled okay I would just I disagree. with it I would dispute this notion of. the principles and maybe this isn't what. you're saying so tell me if it's not. please let's just take Russia okay they. I know hello Putin you're listening. hello Putin if you're listening all. right they when I was working for Barack. Obama MH a number of most of the. Republican Senate and caucus would say. that he didn't he didn't arm the. ukrainians right he didn't provide the.

type of assistance that should have been. done in 2014 and 2015 that was their. argument he's too soft on Russia that. was the core Mitt Romney said the. biggest threat is Russia now they've. turned around they have not stuck by. that principal and they're confirming. this person to lead the intelligence. agency who. befriended Putin who's defended Putin. who's used the talking much Etc their. principles are very flexible no they're. not I I disagree. I think that's very consistent with. their principles which is what that who.

however they can win or whoever whatever. the dear leader says no uh they view. Putin and Hungary as allies in but they. didn't used. to not that the Trump Wing has always. viewed them that way I think Trump. viewed them as ideological allies I. should put it that way uh pro-. Christianity uh Defenders of what they. consider to be Western values that are. that you know the old battle was Capal. capitalism versus communism right. economic systems at play Within the.

world and and a world order and rules I. think the battle now is woke versus. unwoke and in that battle they view. Hungary Putin and all those countries as. aligned and and they are natural allies. to that group the Republicans have been. praising Putin for as far as I can see a. couple of decades ah there's some that. that view Russia as that but at least. least in in the media there's always. been a he's really strong and he is you.

know look they they are allied with. those countries ideologically not I I. just okay we can agree to disagree this. is democracy um what the heck but not in. the era of John McCain and Mitt Romney. leading the party and what they thought. the party stood for and what the party. stood for that's not the party anymore. but that that was the party not that. long ago is my point and some of the. same people who were in that party are.

now blindly following Trump down the. Russia's great Putin's great Rabbit Hole. yeah I mean I wouldn't say they're. saying they're they're great and I. understand what you're saying but like. this whole principle thing on their end. is power like Mitch McConnell is the. poster boy for not having like even just. now when they confirmed Pete heg and. three Republicans voted against it and. oh my God now JD Vance has to come and. break the tie it's all theater yeah but. my point is it's a.

realignment of principle. right with woke versus unwoke being you. know they've said like that's the most. the greatest danger of all is that I. think the Democrats have an incredible. opportunity to be actual economic. populist not the [ __ ] populism that. the right is putting out there as. they're gutting OSHA and their all there. uh making it so that you can't regulate.

anything that possibly could uh affect. workers in a bad way but they have not. they have not. embraced that with the fervor and. directness that I think they need to I I. agree 100% with you I mean I I think. this is the issue where there was not a. clear um digestible message and and. maybe there were policy issues. underneath there too I don't want to. undervalue that issue as well I mean to.

your point it's like you got to be bold. if people feel going to feel like you're. addressing their issue and I you know. the example you know what Harris talked. about the opportunity agenda which. sounds like a pole tested thing and. nobody knows what it means that's right. there were very good things in there but. that is the place where you know West. Governor Westmore Maryland I I was. talking to him last week about this and. he said he used to run a poverty. organization. Robin Hood he was he was the head of. Robin Hood Foundation you know Robin.

Hood yes I don't know if everybody does. so I short-handed it that Robin Hood. Foundation is a foundation where Wall. Street people gather once a year to try. to give money to offset them going to. hell okay there you go but they also. give money and it doesn't there's no. level no but that is the general here's. my here's my point of the story um they. do great work by the way they do it's a. fabulous organization they do great work. and they get money from all sorts of. places point is when he was running for. governor they were like people po. pollsters people advising them we like. don't use the word poverty don't use the.

word poverty this is my point there is a. there is a um a kneejerk we have to talk. about things in a pole. tested it sounds like and I know I keep. using the word academic and maybe that's. not the best phrasing but a way that. feels like we're defending a PhD. dissertation about the economy instead. of talking about Healthcare should be. affable man the minimum wage is not as.

high as it should be we should be. fighting for that think you know we're. all in the sandwich generation I'm in. the sandwich generation what does that. sound like and feel like and it is a. moment where figuring out the messaging. around that and not just the messaging. but the messengers because the messenger. is the message you know who is. delivering this and are they talking. about in a way that's accessible and. real and authentic and passionate and I. don't think we know who that is yet but. that is part of it and I think yes a big. opportunity for the Democrats but one. they got to figure out but I still think. that the message and the messenger are.

uh tertiary I wouldn't even say they're. secondary what's secondary then if. primary is the policy primary is is uh. the policy uh maybe I'll give you a. second no I'm gonna say tertiary primary. is the diagnosis here's what makes it so. difficult Trump's diagnosis about this. world is not I think insane or far off I. actually agree with a lot of what he. says about the system is rigged I. believe that to my core yeah and that's.

how a lot of people feel so the first. part is diagnosis second part is remedy. third part is message remedy being. principle based on diagnosis I don't. think they've diagnosed this well I. certainly don't think they've created. remedy and sure as [ __ ] then uh the. tertiary part of it which is messaging. won't align but the problem that I see. is they're still [ __ ] tied up in. messaging it's not just that they're.

tied up I agree with you tertiary okay. I'm down with the tertiary order of. events here Order of events tertiary. well I'm gonna I'm gonna put the. messenger in tertiary as well and I. think you did that too just because what. I mean by that is if you have somebody. who's like I am for an opportunity. agenda it's like people who are like I. can't pay for my health care are are. going to recognize they're not feeling. it in the same way that's what I mean. but the far too often is it's a. messaging problem it's a communication. problem and then therefore you skip over. the things that are harder questions to.

answer right which is what should be the. policy basis of what you're running on. um which I think is what you're saying. is the primary and secondary I agree and. I don't know exactly what the basis of. that what is what that is right now for. the Democratic party well I remember you. know uh it was during Clinton's term and. you were probably by the way Jen Saki. and I are we went to the same College uh. the College of William Mary in. Williamsburg Virginia Jen when did you. graad uate 2000 so I just missed you.

barely just barely by just a couple of. decades. barely uh but but so so you graduate in. 2000 so this is pre that but in the. Clinton era I can't remember which year. it was where he faced uh new Gingrich. and the contract with America it was one. of the midterms and I can't remember if. it was the first one or second one uh. they had a contract with America it was. 94 maybe is that is that correct yeah. yeah oh that is right okay but they had. laid out and basically the her you know.

the policy prescriptions were designed. by the Heritage Foundation and it was. all laid out but it was wildly effective. and they took control of the Senate and. the house and they were able to execute. certain things but it was also a. brilliant piece of policy yeah who's. writing that who even knows what that is. look government is when we talk about. checks and balances the founders were. brilliant oh Congress and the executive. and the Judiciary what they didn't count.

on is Corporate. power the Democrats have to effectively. counter because that's where we can get. value we subsidize pharmaceutical. companies and pay the highest [ __ ]. pill prices. in Forever $20 billion dollar a year. apparently to oil and gas like what are. we [ __ ]. doing yeah I look and there are some. people you've mentioned like Elizabeth. Warren who do talk about this kind of.

stuff I'm not saying she's writing the. plans yeah who's writing the plans I'll. tell you who's writing the pl who is it. the corporations oh well I thought I was. like who is it and the lobbyists they. are yes Jen I'm GNA tell you a story I. understand what you're saying I thought. you were going to tell me some. insightful plan you'd seen from somebody. who's gonna run for something I was. excited for a moment go ahead I know you. know these people better than I do I. don't know these people I I may but. you're like I I thought you were going. to be like I saw this great plan I'm.

like great here's what's so interesting. on the Republican side the. synchronicity between the think. tanks and the. politicians and the billionaire donors. right and the media arm they work. together it is the circle of life it is. The Lion King they they understand that. like it's who's. Simba Simba is Rupert Murdoch.

unfortunately oh I was didn't say Mike. Johnson well no he's he's he's a little. sweet face boy um I mean Donald Trump. was giving a press conference Rupert. Muro was sitting next to him and he's. like hey The Wall Street Journal wrote. some [ __ ] about me but I we'll take care. of that rert Muro said in a meeting it. was released in in those documents after. the the fox lawsuit we need to do. everything we can to help Donald Trump. like this is. absolute uh corrupt that it gets us back.

to the thing of like this is how the. [ __ ] world works and yet. somehow you're connected you were the. press secretary in Biden's thing you. worked for Obama you worked at the state. department you understand that you're. now at MSNBC none of these people are. talking to each other and working. together in any. way well yeah because we think the other. side is really messed up I mean look I I. but but it's also how the world is. working which I think is a huge problem. that Democrats need to be clear and. aware of I mean Hannity was like meeting.

with um the Republican caucus there's. there's more and more and more examples. of what you're talking about yes and and. it seems very effective but also. effective in that they're creating. policies now I I don't like a lot of. them and I think they're lying about a. lot of them but they've certainly. created a machine and nobody is building. that machine as far as I can tell and. even within the media you know. rert Murdoch and then Roger alses and.

and now I don't know who's running but. they they run it with a really clear. mandate you're at MSNBC do they come to. you every day and go here's what we. think is important to preserve and fight. for whatever no you can everybody gets a. zillion press releases and Pitch calls. but no no no no I'm talking about the. the head of it oh. no you you you determined we determine. each of us for our shows here's what I'm.

going to cover today and here's what I'm. going to talk about and here's what I. think is important which there is an. independence is of that um and there. also is. um you're you're not waiting to be told. what to say about anything you're going. to say what you think so people can. trust that and that is a good thing see. I I disagree with that I think they it's. not that you're able to be independent. it's that you're then a prisoner purely. to the minute by minutes purely you mean. in terms of ratings the ratings.

incentives and all those other things if. you don't have the ideological component. right then you don't have a governing. authority of editorial Authority right. the greatest trick Roger Els ever played. was he delegitimized editorial Authority. while exercising. absolute steel trapdoor editorial. Authority the greatest thing he did. because it led them them to be an arm. piece a mouthpiece of the rightwing it.

led them to be exactly what he wanted it. to be which is an effective expression. of his world viw and MSNBC I am. unburdened by not having I can share. whatever I think I have obviously worked. in Democratic politics for 20 years I. don't hide anything about that it is a. progressive leaning network but nobody. is um to the frustration at times of. many elected Democrats it is not a. mouthpiece of the democratic party I. don't want it to be a mouthpiece of the. democratic party but I do think it can.

stand for something more coherent and be. more effective in its execution of that. by doing so and what do you what do you. think that should be uh that it should. be uh a check on the excesses that it. should be muckraking in the best sense. of the word but effective muckraking. needs organization and a leader and it. can't just be left to everybody's random. show to I mean I watch these shows all.

the time I find them to be like wildly. redundant and not really that like have. a macro view right if you don't have a. macro I mean this is I don't know I. don't want to I'm just saying like it it. makes it less effective well okay or. interesting here's the thing with a. macro view though a macro view where. every show does the same thing and maybe. you're saying you think no you're not. saying that a macro view. of did is this the direction right that.

help like the nighttime shows should not. be divorced from the daytime show. [ __ ] four hours of Joe. Scarboro shouldn't be allowed in this. country and and then like Rachel mat. like it's schizophrenic at times like. yeah I do think there should be some. semblance of uh an idea that look. they're kicking. Progressive ass right now and if if.

progressives don't. organize their their media their think. tanks and all that it's going to. continue to happen it's chaos well I. will say broadly speaking what Democrat. what I say Democrats I'm gonna say. people on the left do not do that the. right does very well is support within. the system each. other I'm Ser like and what I mean by. this is this right yeah Theo vau appears. on Joe Rogan's show right he promotes.

what Joe Rogan's doing but they all. promote all of the things each other are. doing and what the elected officials I. guess are doing too and the left is a. little bit Le more kind of. discombobulated in terms of supporting. the different entities on the left there. is not a a left ecosystem that matches. the right ecosystem but but ALS didn't. do that either it was it was the. principle the IDE ological principles. not the party he and and Murdoch the.

same way they're promoting an. ideological world viiew right that they. believe is correct and Theo vau and Joe. Rogan I think are different animals than. any of this like I wouldn't say they're. I don't think they're part of any. machine don't you think they're the an. but but they are they are still in the. rightwing ecosystem wouldn't you agree. no I would think they're in no I would I. would consider them in. a uh more probably libertarian comedic.

complex you know more more along the. lines of and and if you watch or listen. to their shows a a lot of times it's. just pure like goof and off has nothing. to do with politics and oftentimes but. almost entirely but they are supportive. of the Trump Enterprise is what I mean. so maybe I'm Loosely putting them in. that category I think they are. supportive but not. they are not Relentless in the Trump. Enterprise like they are not Charlie.

Kirk they are not uh Ben Shapiro like. they are very different animals they are. not invested in uh the now the [ __ ] that. you get picked up and like go to the. headlines of media I yeah but on balance. that's not what their shows are about um. on balance Al's like never took his foot. off the gas never it was like there was. not a wasted moment and and did it still. with an eye towards producing very. watchable.

Television right that's missing I think. it's missing from the media is a sense. of like how many times have you heard. Jen our job is to call balls and Strikes. like no you're not a [ __ ] you're. upped in Sinclair so get on it I don't. say that I don't think most people on Ms. I know what you're saying I mean look. this moment of the last three weeks has. exposed exactly that issue this notion. that um and I think a lot of the media. is guilty of this is is the we have to.

be equal and down the middle and look. look at how reasonable what Mike Johnson. just said you're like is it reasonable. because it's less crazy than what Tom. Cotton says that doesn't make it. reasonable right it's like this like. rank order of things you know because we. have to be fair and give everybody equal. consideration what was the most. frustrating thing about the media when. you were on the other side when you were. the press secretary what did you find. most objectionable about the media at. that time well I know you're a big fan. of the briefing room and how it operates.

um so I'm just I want that removed. removed look I think the thing that it. was frustrating about the media two. things couple things this is a therapy. session but I'll be short one is there. is a performative nature something I. know you've talked about and everybody. knows about the briefing room um and. that was created by television largely. um and what it means is that if you're. in the briefing room and you watch a to.

whole briefing which most people don't. even if they're consuming The Briefing. it is extremely repetitive so six people. asking the same questions because they. need the clip for their package right. are you moving the story forward is that. hard when you're the press secretary no. it's hard only because by question seven. you're annoyed and then you you can't be. annoyed you have to be um that is a. challenge the twisting yourself into. pretzels and Order to seem equal and. balanced is driving me up the wall. currently um the third thing is I think.

the responsibility of a press secretary. whether in White House or anywhere is to. be extremely informed on the policy and. the substance that's what it is actually. most of the job is not edgy and it's not. arguing with Peter Ducey it is like. spending you know I mean that was fun. but like it's spending hours in your. office explaining the nuclear deal. explaining whatever may be happening in. negotiations with Congress that is not. the sexiest part of the job right but. that's the majority of the job it's true.

for reporters too the best reporters who. cover the White House are experts and. super substantive and informed about the. policies they're asking about which is. why when I was the press secretary you. know not to pick on Peter juy we had a. good relationship but I was never I was. never concerned about answering his. questions it was when I would see like. David Sanger who's a New York Times. Reporter who's covered nuclear issues. for 30 years in the room and I was like. [ __ ] he's going to have a hard question. but what I have seen happen and I blame.

this on the first Trum Administration is. this sort of addiction to trending right. from some of these reporters not all of. them there's a lot of good ones in there. where they literally would complain when. I was the press secretary on background. meaning not with their not with their. name that it was just too boring because. it was returning to too many policy. briefings and it's like welcome. everybody that's what we do here right. if you want to cover something sexy Go. cover Hollywood I don't know like we're.

we're nerdy so I don't know I just gave. you a very long answer but a couple of. things that I think make the. system I mean it's outdated and and I. and if if to State the obvious it's it's. outdated that was what I was gonna yeah. it's not how people consume information. um it is also when when I was leaving I. was the Obama's communications director. and when I was leaving well we thought. Hillary Clinton was going to win so. there's that obviously that didn't. happen I would have told them and I and.

I don't want to speak for Josh but I. think he would have said the same thing. change and modernize what you're doing. in there right I mean do it twice a week. and do one day that's just Regional. press bring people in on a screen to. Sean Spicer's credit I mean I know he. wasn't like the success measure of this. job but like he at times brought in a. screen of people who didn't live in. Washington there's a million things you. can do and modernize it and the reason. that we didn't do that when I started Ed. is because we were coming in at a point. where there was such a trampling on the.

freedom of press we felt like we needed. to return to a very traditional approach. um maybe that was the right approach. maybe it wasn't but meaning you call on. AP first you have a briefing every day. you allow them to ask their questions. but yes it's in Du it's overdue for. modernization for sure it's difficult I. think when the modes of media are. changing as rapidly as they are to. adjust you know it really does you know. these kinds of changes create uh you. know spasms uh when radio first happened.

when TV first happened you know uh when. TV first happened you know Kennedy went. on the debate and Nixon was like I don't. need makeup I look great you know and. that completely [ __ ] him up you didn't. look great Nixon yeah but I do think at. some level like we all operate kind of. Tower Records like I feel like you know. I host a television program where I sit. in a studio and we do it and we work all. day and the thing and it it does feel a. little bit like hey kids come in and see. the newest CDs from Columbia Records.

like well so okay I know this is your. podcast and not mine but no no no no no. please I was gonna ask you because I. have found this in my brief erange of. podcasting is that the conversations are. just a lot. more flowing in a different way than. when you're on there's something about. being on a te and you've done this a lot. longer than me but being on a television. set where it's like you have to deliver. your monologue or your script in a. certain way correct and you can't just.

sit there and be like hey I'm Jen what's. up because that would seem weird on TV. but on a podcast or a different. conversation you can this will evolve. and the and the practitioners of it that. do more you know the one thing I would. say is like trust your discomfort like. trust your discomfort about some of this. [ __ ] like when you said like this has to. change like that's what I'm talking. about and I mean that RIT large within. the status quo of of how we govern and. the way that we uh uh create policy that. battles corporate interests or battles a.

media industrial complex or any of those. other [ __ ] things like the discomfort. that you feel in those systems is your. gut telling you like this this isn't the. way to execute my intention at its. highest level yeah and I and I mean that. for for everything and I feel like. Democrats haven't listened to that voice. and Trump is that voice. like without any other filter around it. like I said I think his diagnosis is.

often times correct I really disagree. with his remedies and and the way that. they're executing them I agree with that. I mean it is people feel that the system. is broken and working against them yes. that is something that I think that many. Democrats might understand and agree. with but don't articulate that and don't. connect with people about how broken. they feel the system is um and I also.

think the policy Solutions. are don't feel always bold enough and. and sometimes they are and are over. Complicated by the corporate lobbyists. and interests that get around like poor. people aren't the ones who made the tax. code eight million Pages like well. that's true I also think they're over. Complicated by and this is the tertiary. example just to come back but the. packaging of them and the bureaucracy of. them and and the you know progressivist.

and Democrats shoot themselves in the. foot with regulations that actually make. solving the problems they care most. about nearly impossible that is true and. now some regulations are good like we. like clean air and water yes right of. course yes um but again there is a clear. a message from the election is clearly. people feel disappointed and pissed off. with government and it's like what are. you going to do about it now now I am. scared for what Trump because in three. weeks in I'm already feeling like I need. to lay down um but I you know I'm not.

going to lay down but um I'm I'm. concerned I'm not I try very hard not to. be like project fear I'm not fearful as. a person I'm concerned about what he. could do in this period of time but. there's a huge opportunity here yes on. the political front for Democrats now. you're talking yeah because he's not. going to implement it the right way he. doesn't know how to address the things. he's saying are the problem and you. can't just say turn away from this. disaster you have to give people the.

place that you want it to go you have to. paint that picture of of of what it. should be I'm delighted and and Jen saki. I'm glad that we had a chance to to sit. down and talk about it in a a lovely. conversation it's a pleasure to uh to to. get a chance to do that with you and I. do I thank you so much for for joining. us thank you thanks for having me host. of msnbc's inside with Jens saki in the. new MSNBC podcast cast The Blueprint. with Jens saki former White House Press. Secretary all right Jens saki all.

right Jens saki do you ever have the. instinct to say [ __ ] yes every yes. that's two people who probably broadly. agree I would think. on principal issues but I think there's. very much uh attention in that. conversation though yeah I think the. conversation all Democrats are having. amongst themselves right now and there's. that tension and right hopefully they'll.

move towards something eventually yeah I. mean you talked about how the Democrats. need to have principles and at the end. of the conversation she mentioned how. maybe their policy positions haven't. been bold enough um you know I don't. know if the Democrats should have drawn. a line for the public option when they. were fighting for the ACA back in 2010. right but I do know that many of them. seem to still be resting on The Laurels. of that achievement and even though the.

ACA doesn't seem to be working for a lot. of people and they can't even seem to. unify behind the ideal of universal. healthare as a goal even if they don't. think they can achieve it well even when. they say like well it might not be. possible and you're like well do you. believe that it's right yeah if you. believe that it's right then then we. have to move but maybe there's something. even beyond that now let me ask you guys. this because I think the job even before. that is to regain the confidence of. people The Government Can effectively. manage any of this this is a bit like.

tangential to what you're saying but it. really stood out to me and it kind of. follows this path which is just that the. Democrats need to rebuild confidence but. I think you said something along the. lines of one ad Administration has set. things up for the other and I was. thinking about this constitutional. crisis we all you know discussing. whether it's occurring or not and the. foundation of it is that at least from. what I'm reading is that the Trump. Administration has not unfrozen funds.

that a court has told them they must. unfreeze and I can't help but thinking. during my time as National Security. reporter how many times I had sat in a. courtroom and listen to an a situation. where the Obama Administration let's say. was not following a court order one. example I can think of is like with. torture pictures people think of like. images is and in when they're ordered to. release them they'll be like oh we well.

we'll we'll put them in groupings and. we'll put a representative picture. because for National Security we can't. and then it was just this understanding. that this is the process of Courts and. that's kind of where we are right now is. everyone decides where we're at it's. like well this is the process of Courts. right that's not a constitutional crisis. that's just how it Go boy that's a. fabulous point I don't want to downplay. this moment and it's a very different. situation understood but one.

Administration does set up things for. the next even when there was. extrajudicial killings there was drone. Ty things like there's a process in the. courts order and injunction but that is. the truth like rubber meets the road it. all depends on what the priority is and. and certainly he's operating more as a. wrecking ball than anybody else but it's. not in unheard it's just like everything. else with him it's. all as they would say in spinal tap. turned up to 11 everything is just. [ __ ] turned up uh to 11 but what I.

thought was most interesting is we can't. identify the. infrastructure that would make these. adjustments nobody can do it yeah it's. the Spider-Man meme of just people. pointing to each other you're supposed. to be doing this you go through a list. and nobody stands out nobody stands out. Jillian I can always count on you to. comeing with the young people that think. meanwhile I couldn't even get my [ __ ]. email to open and by the way terrible.

apologies for a twisted Sports analogy. in the top I know that many people yeah. went right over my head I don't do. sports ball I apologize I even skipped. the Super Bowl and went to a Broadway. show what I I thought Broadway was dark. how dare. they I just feel bad that John was. watching the Superbowl and thinking you. know this reminds me a lot of what's. happening right now it reminded me of. that because saquon and the Philadelphia. Eagles won the Super Bowl and they were. and I was watching him and to tie it all.

around to Broadway uh I just began to. sing used to be. mine a terrible voice uh that's it what. what else we got anything we got some. listener questions yeah let's do that. John do you think there's anything good. that could come out of Trump's second. term oh I I'm sure I mean not you know. again. like it's it nothing is ever completely. black and white I say some of the. diagnosis that he has about the rig. system I completely agree with I'm sure.

there will be something that occurs or. at least hopefully I mean I hope so. Christ I live here I mean I it there. better be something good that comes out. of this I thought you were gonna say the. pendulum swing oh I don't I I think. we're so beyond pendulums at this point. I don't know I think it's different. forms of matter I think it goes now from. gas to solid to plasma I have no [ __ ]. idea it's we are in a joint custody. where. uh uh the two uh parents have just so. divorced from each other and it's such.

completely different but oh I mean I. really hope there's yeah I live here I. really hope something good happens he. could at least be the one to get rid of. daylight savings I think give me give me. five minutes on the phone with him I. feel like I can make this happen I like. the idea that Julian just wants five. minutes on the phone with Trump and all. she wants to discuss is daylight savings. time that is how things are done now. like you get five minutes with him like. Eric Adams spends five minutes with him.

and he's like yeah tell the justice. department it's fine he's a good guy. it'll be fine he me well they meant well. why. not Britney as always how do people get. in touch with us uh Twitter we are. weekly show pod Instagram threads Tik. Tok Blu Sky we are weekly Show podcast. and you can like subscribe and comment. on our YouTube channel the weekly show. with John Stewart all right very good uh. very pleased uh for the program today. uh as always our lead producer Lauren. Walker producer Britney mic video editor. and engineer Rob vah audio editor and.

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