A More United Nations w/ Spain’s PM Pedro Sánchez | The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart

If you're thinking about what keeps the. prime minister of Spain up at night, is. it those futuristic. AI, the algorithm? >> You know, let's let's put it in this uh. this way. Um you know, in the 20th. century, you wouldn't allow a private. company to have and to own a nuclear. arsenal. >> Sure. Why are you we are you know. permitting that uh these techno.

oligarchs own such a massive tool that. with its implication in our societies in. in our coexistence and economy. >> Well, when you say it that way, it makes. total sense. But have you thought about. renaming it? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the. Weekly Show podcast. My name is John. Stewart. It is Tuesday, September 22nd. It is the opening ceremonies at the UN.

General Assembly. So, I am happily at. home and not dealing with the cluster. of traffic that is now uh New York. City. Uh for those of you who who don't. know, uh our President Donald Trump just. gave his uh typical barn burner at the. UN. And the big takeaway is, I'm going. to annihilate Iran, and I know AI might. be a problem. What if we just changed. its name? He is now saying that he's going to. change it from AI to SI, Supreme.

Intelligence. Why not just call it. Supreme Intelligence? Even though those. are two completely different things, why. not just rename it? I think he thinks. the problem with AI is a branding. problem. My favorite part of his. rebranding is he's going to call it. Supreme Intelligence, but he's still. using his AI force. He started an AI. force to control it. I guess the AI. force will control the Supreme Int. We. live in a simulation.

We must. This can't be real. I don't. know which pillar you take to get out of. this, but God. Uh but. that being said, we are very honored. today. Uh we are delighted because the. UN General Assembly is in town. We have. some access to uh guests that we might. not normally get a chance uh to speak. with. And so uh we are going to have. that today. We are delighted uh today. It's.

obviously it's the United Nations. General Assembly and we are joined by. the Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro. Sanchez. Sir, thank you so much for. joining us. We really appreciate it. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very. much for having me here. >> And I would be remiss if I did not begin. with a hearty congratulations. to you and your country for your victory. in the World Cup. >> Yeah, it's second time. Thank you very. much. It is the second time throughout. our history. But actually, we we didn't.

uh won the World Cup only. We also in in. women's soccer, we're also the current. championship. >> Oh. >> And the world world cup championship. too. And and also when it comes to the. Olympic Games. So it's, you know, it's a. it's a. >> trifecta. You've got all three. >> Yeah. Yeah. So it's clearly a momentum. >> Are you the European champions as well? >> Actually, we are. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. That I thought you were that as. well. So you've you've won everything. >> Fourth. Yes. Yes. >> Well, the United States is we're we're.

almost at that level. We're just about. Okay. We're not at that level at all. >> Well, but you are actually in. basketball. >> Yes. >> You know, I'm a big fan of NBA and you. know, this is the land of basketball. >> Do you have a favorite NBA team? >> Well, actually, you know, I know that. that you are a big fan of a big. supporter of New York Knicks. >> Yes. In my case, I I'm, you know, I'm. following this San Antonio sports, but. it was not our year. Even though we. reached the finals, I understand you did.

very well. Now, you played ball if if. I'm not mistaken. >> I play I played basketball when I was. young. >> h in a a very competitive team in in in. Spain in Madrid, >> right? >> But I you know, I quit it when I was 20. 21 years old and uh because of my. studies and then you know I enter into. politics. So I didn't have the time to. right, you know. >> What was your position when you were. when you were playing? >> It changed over the time, but uh not not.

not playmaker, but the shooting guard. >> Solid. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. >> I try to do my best. I try to do my. best, you know, but uh. >> I appreciate that wholeheartedly. How. tall are you, sir? >> No. One 1.9, which is like six uh 64, I believe. No, lower. >> Oh, for God's sakes. >> You're you're you're handsome and 6'4. I. don't like this interview at all so far.

>> Well, I I understand that that you you. you also play soccer. >> I did play for a little bit because I am. the opposite of 6'4, but 46. So, we're. we're we're working through it. Uh, and. thank you for coming over. I know you. just walked over from the UN General. Assembly, and I apologize for the. traffic. Uh New York City is generally. >> you have other assets you know New York. Manhattan is it's a great place. >> it's it's incredible. >> for spending a weekend a week I don't. know for you know whole life but for a.

week is. >> I can understand that uh were you there. were you in the general assembly when uh. President Trump gave his address? Did. you were you able to to to hear it? How. how was it? Did you get a sense of how. it was received by the uh by the. assembly at large? >> Well, I I think it was a very as usual a. very ideological speech, not not uh back. as supported by facts and datas.

So somehow when he speaks about climate. change or the war in Iran or the things. that are going on in the Middle East, you know, his political positions are. not uh let's say uh uh largely supported. by many many countries worldwide. >> That is a very tactful way of putting. it. Sir, uh, we have difficulty dealing. with his inability to speak in facts and.

we're not sure and I I always wonder. leaders. around the world. Is there eye rolling. that goes on? Uh, does he speak that way. when he speaks to you guys individually? Is he or is that a performance that. doesn't seem uh to match what he's like. behind the scenes? I I haven't got the. the opportunity to to to have a a let's. say a private meeting, a bilateral. meeting with with President Trump yet,

but uh of course we we we have the. opportunity to meet in in different. forests and and formats uh the NATO. summit and and others. uh and yeah well. he has this way of uh of expressing his. his ideas and and of course uh as I said. earlier very ideological. and and somehow you know when when you. are president or prime minister of. course you have your ideology but but. also you you know you you try to.

convince and to represent more more. people. your country no. >> you try you try and base your argument. in things that have actually happened. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> That would be the. >> Yeah. So, so he he speaks about climate. change and uh he denies climate change. So, he's denying the scientists. and datas and and of course not only uh. scientific data but also the daily life. of many citizens around the world also.

here in United States. So, so all in. all, what I'm trying to say is that uh. even when you speak about uh if it's. worth or not for our societies to uh. make this green transition towards. renewables, uh I always say that in. Spain at least our data, our experience. shows uh that is is worth for for the. pockets of uh households to uh go for. this green transition. We have managed. to reach 60% of our electricity coming.

from renewables. We have managed to drop. uh uh the prices of electricity because. of this green transition. So uh so you. know facts and data shows that uh is the. contrary to what uh you know the the far. right as a political movement movement. internationally is is is is going in the. wrong direction when it comes to the you. know the biggest concerns of of uh. common citizens.

Sir, what for you, what is the dividing. line in terms of, you know, we think of, I think in America sometimes the EU as a. bit of a monolith, but it really is. reflective of there's center-right. coalitions, there's far-right. coalitions. Yours is considered, I. guess, more progressive. You you kind of. have to form coalitions with maybe some. separatist groups and some more far-left. groups. Where do you see these divisions going? and and do you see the movement as it.

was here a more right-wing populism a. more ideological populism. dominating. even in in Europe in the way you know is. is that a fear of yours is that the. direction you see it going in. >> so it's a fear is a direction but also. we have mixed signals now so for. instance you you see what was the. outcome recently of the Swedish. elections where the the far right uh. reduce its its support and uh also in.

the Netherlands but on the contrary in. all the countries we see a rise of the. far right and the biggest concern to me. when it comes to the central right or. traditional right is that they're. committing the same mistake that many or. in the past they did uh when the far. right rised before the second world war. which was to cooperate with them to copy. uh and pays the way and the contents of.

how to do pol politics when it comes to. to the far right and this is something. that we are witnessing not only in Spain. but uh across the European Union. Uh so. I think that of course the far right. seeds uh of legitimate anxious and. demands of our societies but then when. they come to office uh they don't. deliver. So they turn anger into uh. disappointment and that is why you know. we're witnessing for instance in Sweden.

how they lost uh electoral support. So. there are like mixed mixed signals but. is is is true to to go to your point. that there is a a risk of entrenchment. of the European Union and I think that. is uh that could be one of the biggest. mistake that we can commit because. nowadays what we need is a more. proactive on global issues, global. matters. engagement of the European Union not. only as the commission but also as.

member states and that is why you know. we are following doing uh that that path. being engaged in the debate of. migration, being engaged in the debate. of climate change, being uh advocating. for you know the the achievement of the. STGS and the agenda 2030 supporting the. reform of multilateralism, hosting. important conferences for uh the world. such as the financing for sustainable. development last year in in Sevilla in.

the city of the south of Spain. So you. know we we try to to be engaged and and. and show Europeans how important is for. us also in our own interest to be open. and knowledge interested when it comes. to these kind of politics and debates. >> and Spain is really I mean it's a. microcosm of all these cleavages. It is. you know if you think about you you. talked about the mistake that the center. right would make in cooperating with the. far right. So in Spain you have the.

People's Party and I guess they would be. considered more centerright but then you. have Vox which is considered I guess. more far right. Is it your concern in. Spain that those two parties form a. coalition and do they have an. opportunity? I don't know your when is. the next election for you? You've been. in 8 years 2027. Yes. for more than. >> for more than for more than 8 years. But. to to go to your point, you know, for. for those who.

>> don't know the the the the let's say the. politics in Spain, we we are a very. decentralized uh political system. So we. have regions such as the states here in. the United States with a lot of uh let's. say uh. competencies and and uh and uh policies. that they can uh deliver regarding the. healthcare, social issues, housing. policies and so on and so forth. And. actually they are they are forming these.

coalition governments in many of the. regions because the the numbers uh give. them these opportunities. And at the end. of the day what I see is that they are. not delivering they're just blaming the. central government which is of course. the easiest way of avoiding any kind of. political responsibility. But anyhow, I. think that the battle the the dilemma. that that Spaniards as many other. societies in Europe will face in the. next general elections is very simple.

Do you want to continue uh progressing. and advancing or do you want to you know. suffer. a regression and evolution so to say on. many of the policies that we have. implemented over the last years not only. on uh labor rights, social issues uh. green transition and humanistic approach. to digitalization and AI but also on on. freedom and and and rights. So for.

instance, I I'm proud to to to state. that I'm a a feminist politician. Perhaps this is now something rare uh in. uh the public debate. But I think that. uh the fight against. inequalities and the fighting in favor. of gender equality is is you know one of. the biggest uh issues uh in the present. and the future of of of world politics. and national politics. Folks, there are times when we are.

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on migration and immigration? Is that. because obviously Spain, you know, you. had uh Suetto and I'm sure I'm. pronouncing that incorrectly. >> Theta Theta. No, no, no. Tha is a Yeah, >> theta. No, for for for those who are not. aware, Theota and Melia are two Spanish. cities. in in in in Africa in North Africa. And. these are, you know, a very very. singular uh cities and there are like. hard borders for Spain and also for for.

Europe. >> in between sort of Morocco and and the. Mediterranean. >> and and the Mediterranean. Yes. Yes. Yes. But but but but also to to to give. you an insight uh the point here is that. the reality of the migration in Spain is. mainly Latin America. eight out of 10. migrants that uh uh demand the. regularization, the the amnesty uh in. order to to recognize the the the rights. that we gave before the end of summer.

were Latin American uh uh citizens or. migrants mainly from Colombia, Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador. >> Not North Africa. >> Not North Africa. Of course, we have a. larger diaspora of Moroccans. It was the. second largest. uh migrants asking for uh citizenship in. Spain. But uh the the rest were uh in a. large number Latin American uh citizens.

So, so all in all going to your question. about the far right and the link with. migration, of course, migration is a is. a is an issue, but I also have to uh to. say that a comprehensive policy on. migration of course touch the issue of. integration of this migration for the. you know the Spanish society but also. fighting against smugglers, opening. pathways for regular migration because.

we need regular migration. in order to. boost our economy and finally to. cooperate with the countries of transit. and origin in order to reduce the flows. of irregular migration and this is. something that we are doing with Morocco. we are doing with Maritania we're doing. also with Sagal which are the you know. the closest countries when it comes to. the migration coming from Africa. >> do you have an ability to do that or is. what's Spain's level of sovereignty.

within that EU because our our. understanding of the EU is it's very. difficult to wrangle them to make. decisions in Brussels. >> No, but but like close to two years ago, we we managed to reach this very. important agreement, this migration of. asylum agreement backed. among all member states of the European. Union and that brought to the table two. aspects of this uh debate. First is of. course control of the borders, cooperation with with the countries.

operating and transit but second. solidarity. Solidarity means that those. countries that we are in the front line. so to say uh close closer to to to uh to. uh to Africa for instance. We need the. solidarity when we suffered those that. migration crisis from the countries of. the central and and and northern part of. of Europe. And unfortunately going back. to to to theta theta crisis that we.

suffer at the end of of July we didn't. feel that solidarity coming from many of. these European countries. Even though we we saw that solidarity. with other crisis in La Perusa for. instance in Italy or when it comes to. you know questioning the territorial. integrity of some member states with the. issue of of Greenland and and Denmark. No. So uh what I'm trying to say is that. of course migration is an issue for. European societies. But let me say that.

in in my humble opinion, the the. situation. of of the far right is is not coming. from a an specific content but uh a. specific tool which which is social. media and the algorithm. Uh okay, because it is poisoning the the public. debate. Is it spreading misinformation? is contributing to dehumanize.

many dehumanize many of you know the. political actors. I'm also victim of of. of it and uh and you know no algorithm. we we don't vote for algorithm but if. you think it algorithms nowadays affect. in your daily basis more than uh the. politicians you vote for this is. something that we have to to fix and. this is the debate that we are having. here in in in the general assembly of. the UN but also domestically on how do.

we take back control of a a a failed. state which is currently the social. media. >> and that is I mean the European Union. has always I think been a little. stricter in terms of regulation as far. as those uh issues go I think the United. States not do you view AI as a more. existential threat I guess if if you're. thinking about what keeps the prime. minister of Spain up at night is it.

those futuristic. AI, the algorithm, uh, is it the more. standard? You know, Spain in terms of. economic growth is doing very well. I. mean, certainly within the European. Union and in general, I don't I don't. know if that translates to a happier. populace, but certainly your your. economic growth. >> looks strong. >> Yeah, we we are growing economically. We. are uh creating uh employment massively.

We're reducing inequality thanks to the. redistribution policies that we are. implementing. But going back to to your. question, I would say that um you know, let's let's put it in this uh this way. Um you know, in the 20th century, you. wouldn't allow a private company to have. and to own a nuclear arsenal. >> Sure. Why are you we are you know permitting. that uh these techno oligarchs own such.

a massive uh tool that with its. implication in our societies in in our. coexistence and economy. >> Well, when you say it that way it makes. total sense but. >> have you thought about renaming it? So. what the president has done, our. president, uh, President Trump is, he's. taken the name AI, artificial. intelligence, and changed the name to. SI. I think it's a brilliant plan, and.

I'm sure we'll save the world. >> Yeah. But but, uh, you see the paradox. The paradox is that we have this technol. investing in a a technology that many of. the, you know, the worker says that. could kill and end humanity. And at the. same time, these technical oligarchs are. in investing massively in immortality. >> So,

>> yeah. And they're trying to get to Mars. They're trying to get off this planet. >> Exactly. That that's the ironic uh. situation that we're facing. But I think. that what need is a a a a serious uh uh. regulation uh responsible development of. AI and not bank bunkers and uh you know. uh Mars uh missions for for saving the. technolic acts. So this is a a very. important debate that we have to to face. multilaterally and that is why I think.

it was very important the step taken by. the UN assembly last year launching this. panel of experts on AI as we did decades. ago for the climate change. Second, I. think that we have to ask uh our leaders. especially from the global powers such. as United States and China and I I think. that they are going to meet uh by the. end of this this month to speak about. about AI to see how can they seek ways.

of understanding and finding a common uh. minimum standards for the the. development responsible development of. of AI. And actually from our side you. mentioned the the regulation of the. European Union. I have to also share. with you that Spain was one of the first. countries in the world to create a super. super. oversight. national agency of of AI. No. So I think.

it's important not only at the national. level but also European level and. multilateral level uh to to have a a a. strong regulation. The other day I was. reading an article of you know this uh. you know very very important novel price. Joseph Stiglets. >> Yeah. Yeah. Joseph Stiglets wonderful. economist. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. We we need a a an agenda for AI. which is you know first of all. competition. >> It's very monopolistic. Yeah. Second.

regulation. and third and third redistribution. If. as technol says. we are in you know in the beginning of. the abundance era this is something that. we hear often h by these technologicers. Okay let's talk about redistribution. Let's talk about how can we uh increase. our the salaries of our teachers erh you. know the the health professionals and. and so on and so forth. No. And this is.

a debate that we must face not only at. national level but also at multilateral. level. >> Is multilateralism. in this moment. is it dead? Is it on life support? you. know what is your feeling of how easily. countries uh China, EU, Russia, the. United States, it feels as though we're. moving into an era of.

spheres of influence but that. multilateralism or I guess the negative. term for it would be globalization and. and those things is is dead to some. extent. Is that a problem for solving. these kinds of problems? and how do you. revive it? >> So if I mean I've been in office for. eight years. So I was a prime minister. in Spain when we suffered the pandemic. covid 19. So I think this is the the the. best example to say that we need. multilateralism.

and inclusive and universal. multilateralism which is not happening. nowadays. So we need to reform the. multilateral order. we need to uh to be. generous from the western uh h side in. order to to have a a more representative. multilateral order. Second, you know, the problem is that we have permanent. members of the security council that are. violating uh the international law, Russia in the case of Ukraine, we have.

this Iran war in you know. >> Yes. Yeah. So, so it was a a two-week war and. it has transformed into a $6 gallon war. >> And he's threatening to annihilate I. mean he he stood up in front of the UN. Last year he went in front of the UN and. said I deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. This year he went in front of the UN and. said I'm thinking of annihilating a. country. >> Yes. >> It's jarring. >> Yes. But the the point here is that the.

cost of living not only for the US. citizens but the worldwide is increasing. because of this war and uh there's. there's no no way or no no news about a. potential agreement between Iran and and. the US and and the situation is getting. worse in the region worldwide and of. course is uh putting in a very difficult. situation economics the economics of of. many of many households enterprises, industries and of course uh countries.

So you know we're suffering more. inflation inflation because of this war. and uh and uh the situation is getting. worse and worse. So you know that is why. I think it's so important to go back. again to politics. You know many times. in in the public debate we speak about. rearming. We speak about how are we. going to spend more money on defense on. but less on politics and diplomacy. And.

that is why it's so important to going. back to your question to strengthening. the multilateral order to uh provide. with new uh insights and energy uh the. UN system in order to you know to to to. solve crisis such as the one in Iran or. the one that is suffering between Israel. and Palestine with Gaza in the strip in. the center or or Ukraine war. So these. are at least you know the the the the.

issues that I'm trying to defend here in. in in the UN assembly and I and and not. only me but many many other other. countries are to do the same. Well, that's what I was going to ask you is, you know, uh, Prime Minister Carney of. Canada made a speech last time at the UN. where he talked a lot about the middle. powers and it was sort of this idea that. if the large powers, if China and Russia. and the United States are are moving to.

their own interests and retreating from. the type of leadership you're talking. about, is the is the green chute of this. movement these middle powers and and. have you seen other leaders very few. have pushed back in the manner that you. have and Carney I guess it was at Davos. that he said that not at the UN General. Assembly last time it was the Davos. speech um. >> but it was about these middle powers. showing leadership in that direction. because we're not seeing that leadership. from the United States we're not seeing.

that leadership from China we're not. seeing that leadership from Russia. >> but then you have India you have Brazil. you have the European Union you have. Canada, you have many countries in. Africa. So the world is very big. So I. mean the the the mistake that these big. powers are committing is that they. believe that we are living in the 20. 20th century but we are living in 21st. century. There are many other actors. with a lot of leverage uh with a lot of. population uh and uh with a lot of.

strengthens and and assets uh to to. influence the path of the world. is is taking. But let me add that uh you. know of course I agree with with Prime. Minister Carney. I think that is you. know the the role of middle powers is is. critical is instrumental for for for the. good of of of the world. My my my my my. only difference that I have with with. Prime Minister Carney is a very good. friend is that you know of course.

sometimes leaders we we have this. temptation of uh working in small. circles you know like-minded partners. like a kind of miniateralism. but we need is a a maxillateralism. which means to broader uh the scope hope. to broader the circle and to. strengthening the uh common action from. countries and that is why I think it's. very important of course working through.

this you know coalition of the willing. uh with like-minded countries but. especially to strengthen strengthening. the the the the multilateral of the of. the UN and that is why I think that we. have a momentum we are about to to. choose the new uh secretary general of. the UN uh uh by the end of the year from. Spain and many other countries we are. supporting uh that we have to respect. the the geographical rotation which.

means that you know it has to come from. a Latin American Latin American country. but second after 80 years of this. multilateral order I think is you know. uh it's important it's fair that we. choose a woman the first forman leading. the UN as secretary general. You know, half of the population, half of the. leadership and that is why from Spain. and many other countries were supporting.

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some of them not. How do you convince. people that this global cooperation will. bring prosperity or will reduce. inequality? Because the rise of this. nationalist and populist fervor. seems to be based on the idea that to. cooperate with other nations is to. diminish ours and to to diminish our own. economic prospects. So, how do you make. the case to Spaniards that these.

migrants that come in from Morocco, they. increase our prosperity or to uh Hungary. or Italy or these other or the AFD who. have, you know, seized control in that. one region uh of Germany? How do you make the case that your. vision for multilateralism. and cooperation. also brings that prosperity to people.

that it's not just a moral imperative. but it's actually one that will improve. their lives as well. So yeah and and to. to follow your question uh. please give me one example of a farright. government that has improved. uh the wealth and prosperity of its. citizens. >> Right? >> What they have brought to uh the table. is more disorder, more insecurity and.

more uh poverty and inequality. So I. agree with you that uh this is the. question uh Mark that we have to to. answer. And to me. one one angle uh is one angle would be. to to to say that the global agenda is. the agenda of the common the current. people the common people. uh and and we have a good example with. this war in Iraq. Why we are suffering.

an increase of prices? Why you know we. are having more and more increase of. cost of living because geopolitics is. affecting also uh our daily uh daily uh. life uh uh when we go to the gas station. when we uh buy at supermarket. So all in. all what I'm trying to say is that this. global uh agenda that we are defending.

here in in the UN agenda 2030 fight. against uh inequality fight against. child poverty going for a green. transition is for the good of uh the. normal people the common people and uh. of course. asking these far-right governments and. farright movements of they have. accomplished and by the way what they. are defending because at the end of the. day what I see is that they defending.

you know the techno oligarchs which want. only to uh to concentrate more and more. power and more h more uh wealth in a few. hands. They deny. cooperation on on international taxation. which is I think fair for many countries. that are suffering inequality. uh and of. course nurturing and financing uh our. welfare state in the case of Spain or. the case of European Union you know and. we have many uh many um good examples in.

the case of Spain uh I I can show with. facts that this thanks to this green. transition we have been able to uh. increase our competitiveness. uh on electricity on uh of course other. issues or when migration, you know, this. migration policy is also helping us to. uh boost economy and also creating jobs. not only for migrants but also for.

nationals and when it when it comes to. you know strengthening our social. pillars we are reducing inequality. So. these are facts that of course show that. this progressive agenda is for the good. of the of the you know the normal. people. Why do you think, and this is a. question that I think kind of keeps me. up at night, that why are the facts. so fragile when it comes to so the. things that you're saying and you're. talking about the growth in Spain and.

the reduction of inequality, those are. clearly facts and yet uh right after the. crisis in uh July in and I'm gonna screw. this up again. uh. >> fil. uh. the right surged in Spain. Your. popularity dipped and it it sort of. flipped. Your coalition was kind of more. popular and now it's less popular. So. all I guess what I'm saying is.

all those aspirations. even when true seem so fragile in the. face of the emotional impact of what. people feel like the loss of their. sovereignty. Does that make sense? >> No. No. No. Not at all. Not at all. And. I think that when we speak about. sovereignity, we speak also about this. agenda for for the the good of the. common people. No. of normal people and. of course so how do we uh increase our.

capacity to decide by ourselves. >> right. >> being more dependent of uh external. powers or being more strong within the. European Union that is why I was asking. for solidarity uh before when we when. you asked me about the the crisis not. and and by the way how do we manage to. solve this problem I I think it's is is. more intelligent to have a constructive.

relationship with Morocco which is you. know the country of origin of most of. these. migrants that came to fate this crisis. Of course we have asked Morocco for. insights, answers and also actions and. they're taking it and and giving us. those those answers. We're still under. the process of investigate where was uh. you know the the the causes the the the. the roots of of this crisis. >> Morocco said they had nothing to they.

said it wasn't an organized but it's. hard to imagine tens of thousands of. people coming across coincidentally. >> Yeah. Okay. But but you know as prime. minister I have to act with facts and. you know there's no clear evidence. But. let me add to this to this issue that of. course it is there's a reality economic. reality. um um a gap of economic development. between one side of of the border and.

the other side of the border which of. course is an instinctive for many youth. for many young people to you know cross. the border and try to to reach. opportunities What we have to show these. people is that there will be always. legal pathways to do so but without of. course suffering uh the let's say the. the attack that we suffered in uh last. July. But of course when you when you go.

to the idea of sovereignity uh let's put. it this way if. we don't uh move forward in the idea of. the integration of the European Union. for instance on the capital union market. or for instance on defense having a a. real uh European uh army or uh. a strategic autonomy on you know.

technology or uh energy. Are we going to. be more dependent on on third actors or. external actors or we going to be more. autonomous? That is the contradiction of. the far right. >> Do you believe that the EU is agile. enough or is it too bureaucratic to be. able to tackle those problems that. you're saying at the Brussels level? because that's been the frustration with. them. >> So there's there's there's of course a. lot of bureaucracy that we have to.

avoid, we have to reduce and this is. this is clear to me. But on the other. hand, you know, the European Union is a. is a a construction an animal, a. different animal to a federal system as. you have here in United States or the. sum of member states, 27 member states. And the the the the the good point about. it is that you are seeing more and more. countries willing to uh to be part of. the European Union. Of course, we have. you know the challenge of Ukraine which.

of course from Spain we are positively. uh about its future integration but also. Muldova, Western Balkcans. >> You see expansion you you're looking. right. >> Yes. and and and the challenge to me for. of the European Union is not to lose uh. its principles, not to strengthen but to. open ourselves to be engaged on global. issues. because it's in favor of our own. interest and it will work for our own.

interest and uh second. to to reform itself from inside. If. we're going to face a European Union of. more than 30 member states, of course, we will need to reform uh our let's say. way of uh proceed and take uh decisions. and make them uh more agile. >> Now, you are uh going to be delivering. your remarks at the UN General Assembly. later on in this week.

>> Yes. >> Is there uh is there a preview? Is there. a theme? what are the kinds of uh what. are the kinds of issues that you're. going to be putting forth into that. body? >> Well, first I will I will speak about. multilateralism and the need of reform. in the way that I mentioned it earlier. inclusive and universal. But let me add. that I will give a very feminist speech. >> Are you going to be urging that they. elect is this going to be about electing. a leader that is a woman? Okay. But not.

only that, also the need not to lose uh. the the idea of feminism uh as one of. the main drivers uh of the progress of. our societies. I think that this is a. battle, a political battle that we have. to give because we are more and more uh. witnessing, you know, a backlash on the. fight against against gender uh.

inequality and and this is something. that we need to to uh it has to be more. present in the public debate especially. when it comes to multilateral forum. So. is forums such as the the general. assembly. So it's not only about the. appointment but also about the need of. you know uh you know one one of the one. of the uh uh laws that I'm I'm more. proud to pass since I'm in office is. is the law of votes no of I don't know.

how to say in English like parity the. need to to have have. >> uh work pay yeah exactly. >> we don't have that we don't have that. here or healthcare other than that. though we're doing great. >> so I I think I think that feminism is is. is a flag that we have to to to to stand. against more more vocally and uh and uh. in a in a more assertive way because. it's a it's a matter of human rights. It's not only you know sometimes we say.

okay this is an ideological stuff. No, no, of course it's a political issue, but there's behind a human rights uh. angle or content which has to be more. visible. >> It feels like the momentum politically. is moving in the opposite direction. So. the the stands that you're taking are do. you feel the pressure of delivering on a. more progressive agenda given how the.

world is moving seemingly somewhat away. from feminism, somewhat away from. multilateralism, somewhat away from. protecting the vulnerable in Gaza and in. Ukraine and in these other uh regions. It feels like things are are. shifting in that other direction away. from even climate. >> But but let put it this way. >> Yeah. >> First first is is is a matter of.

conviction. I think that these ideas. these cult causes. >> are the right side of history. >> Mhm. And talking about history, in. in history you can find many uh uh. occasions of backlash. uh on the public debate on civil rights. uh all these causes that we have been. talking about but it is always. temporary.

I think that the the path that humanity. follows uh over its history is is the. path of progress and advance. So I think. that we need to remain optimist about. the future of humanity and of course we. will suffer by clash periods as the one. that we're suffering nowadays because. there's this technology we need to do a. lot of reforms very transcendental. reforms that will um um let's say uh.

change the status quo but that doesn't. mean that it could be better than it it. is today. So I think that of course. perhaps nowadays we are in a a minority. but it doesn't mean that in the future. you know people will support. massively these ideas and these causes. and that's the history of of humanity. Of course we have backlass periods but.

we will have of course. >> persevere periods of exactly we have to. persevere. Well, I I I know you've got a. heart out because you've got a lot of. other much more important meetings to. take, but I can't I can't think of a. better note to end on than that note of. of optimism and also of conviction. And. I really thank you for being here and uh. I've been watching uh all the different. ways in which you're trying to live. those uh principles and I really. appreciate them and appreciate you and. and thank you so much for joining us and.

and talking with us today. >> It has been a pleasure. Thank you very. much. >> Pedro Sanchez, the prime minister of. Spain. Thank you so much, sir. >> Thank you. >> All right. Do you guys want to say it or. do I have to say it? >> You have to say it. >> Holy. >> Wow. >> Is that dude. Hunkerelli. >> Caliente? >> What? Holy. So, for those of you who don't know,

like generally when you have a guest at. that level, it it's not like a normal. podcast. Like what it does, you just you. come up and it's somebody in their. living room and you're in your living. room and you're just shooting the. in your pajamas. They have a standin. that does all the the technical stuff. The standin, and I and I mean no. disrespect. I mean no disrespect to the standin, but. Uncle Fester got nothing on the standin. And then Johnny Cababalierro steps in.

and I was like, "What?". >> Wow. >> And then we start talking. We're just. shooting the. >> Yeah. >> And he's like, "Oh, yeah. My kids his. kids are the same age as my kids." And. I'm like, "Wait, what? What is What is happening in Espa?". >> That he's not he's he's young. Obviously, he's much younger than me, but but come on. >> Not much. I think he's 54. You're the. same age. No, I'm kidding. >> Are you me?

>> As soon as he sat down, the first thing. I thought was Britney's going to be on. Hinge going, "Is this guy. and can I match with this dude? >> Why don't I see him on here?". >> All right, let me keep keep swiping, baby. Let's go. >> Got to turn on the Spanish language. setting. And then. >> I got to tell you though, to be able to. conduct like these kinds of sort of. >> discussions in a language that's clearly. not as. >> oh my god.

>> is. it's qu it's impressive. >> Yeah, he's a very impressive man. >> I thought so. And uh a lonely man. Yeah, lonely definitely within you know the. European governments within the global. governments but very principled and I. think that that's. >> you know you see it in politicians here. and he's obviously like the embodiment. of it but it's really like when you have. principles I think it makes the job a. lot easier in a lot of ways.

>> when you have principles and you're 6'4. and tan. >> and you can dunk. >> son of A. BUT IT IS THERE'S LIKE A I I think he. has the quiet optimism. >> of real belief. And I think the the. interesting part to me is he was talking. about, you know, look, he understands. the political force of migration issues.

and he knows it obviously it can't be. unfettered and it has to be growth in. the right way and it has to be regulated. and it has to be done with a pathway to. something that has a a sturdy legal. framework. But I think his point is it. also is the path to prosperity. >> Yeah. It has been in his country. It's. been borne out in as he would say in the. facts. And I think that that's what's so. frustrating about it too is that like. you are still going to get attacked for.

the same things. Even when you have all. of the facts in your favor, even if I. mean we see it in the US too with. politicians that just totally seed their. ground on the issue, they still get. attacked like they didn't. You could be. totally right with the numbers. You're. still going to get attacked like you're. not. And I just don't know. I don't know. how you how you make sense of that, but. I don't think it's by losing your. values. >> I think that the sense of it is people. react to the chaos. So in Se.

>> uh the chaos of that moment coalesed. uh you know people against him. the. chaos of our border situation. You know, >> yes, >> the United States immigration system is. so chaotic and nonsensical. >> that. >> anybody that wants to demagogue that. issue has a leg up. >> Mhm. >> Yes. But I think if you can demonstrate. a thoughtful process to grow like.

countries can't absorb everybody. haphazardly, but if you can demonstrate. an orderly and reasonable. non-kaotic process to harness the growth. that immigration provides and minimize. the chaos, you've got a shot. It's it's, you know, you got to thread it through. the eye of a needle, but in this. country, we don't even have a.

shot. >> No. And I mean, he tried to, you know, he did do that in his own country with. uh sort of saying, you know, if you've. already here and you've been here for a. while, we're going to give you a clear. pathway to citizenship that's expedited. because we have this aging workforce. >> And it was mostly Spanish- speakaking. It was it was it wasn't the North. African population that I think is is. what's more controversial there, >> right? It was people that were you know. had been there too. He didn't let. anybody into the countries with those. policies. But then you have this image. on your screens of people you know.

flooding the coast and. >> all of a sudden you lose any. >> right. >> any leverage that you've had even though. your policy is not responsible for that. >> It's the it's the Willie Horton effect. It's I don't know if you guys remember, but it was, you know, it's we expect. 100%. >> You have to be perfect. >> We have a system that demands 100%. perfection, but has no ability to. discern the difference. We really don't.

Um, it's a difficult one, but I I I. admired him and I I was sort of like on. a day like today after sitting and and. listening to the Trump speech, him being. able to just like wander over. Let me. ask you a question. How do you think he. got over to the studio? I'm going to. take a guess. He He got out of there and. he surfed. My guess is. >> underneath the suit, wet suit. I think. he got on one of the It might have been.

a. >> hoverboard Kent situation where he he's. always got it on. >> Yes. Ripped it off. Yeah. >> And hovered his way over. >> He did make good time. And that's very. difficult on a week like this in New. York City. >> And then climbed up the side of the. building. >> Yes. >> Who his hands with only little suction. cups. >> I really don't think it takes much for. him to stop traffic. It's I thought it was a very unfort when. he sat down I was just like what is no.

this is this is not correct. >> bring the stand in back. >> bring you know what bring the other guy. back. >> I can't focus. >> I can I can give that other guy a piece. of my mind but. >> yeah if you're listening on audio this. week we recommend you head to the. YouTube check out our socials. >> oh that's going to be that's going to be. a YouTube sensation. >> and then here's the problem I'm going to. be in the shot half the time so it's. it's going to be literally handsome mold. Dune and then Johnny Old T like I look. like the guy in those commercials where.

it's like and you look comfortable you. know like oh right okay next time I'll. I'll pol it Britney but what what do the. what do the kids want to know from us uh. on this on this fine day? >> Okay, John, this is a two-parter. >> What? Uh, one, do you think Trump should ask. Mom Donnie for help getting the. scaffolding down at the Kennedy Center? >> That's hilarious. >> And two, should Trump just put darfs up. around all of his failures?

>> That's hilarious. So, uh, what they're. referring to in part one of the the. two-parter is one of the first things. Mom Donnie did, brilliant, by the way, because the whole idea of, you know, the. socialist communist Islamist maniac. taking over New York City is similar to. like when Obama took over, they were. like, "Black people now can do whatever. they want." Like that it was going to be. this chaotic system. And the first thing. he did is like, "Why is there so much. scaffolding here? Let's do the.

potholes in the scaffolding." Yeah. >> And everybody was like, I didn't even. know buildings had fronts. >> It's true. Yeah. There's And it stays up. for years and years and there's like. there's no rhyme or reason why. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> And it's very difficult for people that, you know, don't get around the same way. >> And half the time you walking around New. York City and you're thinking, did they. just build these buildings out of. netting? Netting and like pipes. Is that. what New York City is? become a.

rainstorm and you're begging for it. So. the best. >> and Trump I am the Trump as so many. things with Trump you just you can't. even imagine that just one of these. one of these scandals or one of these uh. ego enemas that he takes would ruin his. political career. Somebody suggesting. like if I don't get to etch my name on. the building, I'm going to demolish it. and then I'm going to put up a triumphal.

arch and fill it with weaponry. Like. just just one of those ideas. >> would have the country going, >> "Okay, can we just declare this man. incompetent and and move on?" Where? Let's get Let's get Kevin Klein from. Dave to just go in there and uh I'm. really believing that maybe the reason. why he's our country up so bad. is that we haven't allowed him to etch.

his name on it. >> And maybe if we just did that, if we. just just gave into it, >> he would he would take the the. metaphorical tarp down from the whole. country and we could all flourish. Let's. just let him. >> It feels like giving the baby the candy. though. A little bit. >> He shuts up the baby. >> Thank you. We can always take it down. when he's done. The United States of. America. Trump. Fine. The Trump United. States of America. Get Let him make the.

coins. Let him make the flags. >> And then maybe he'd treat us a little. better. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He is very much like if I can't. have it, no one can. And it's. >> Yeah. It makes me a little concerned. about the future, but. >> I'm sure it'll be fine. He's never given. us any indication. that once he's voted out, he'll leave. peacefully, so I I don't know why you. would be concerned, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Never mind. I'll tamp down. those peers. I mean, this week he had a. a big one with Trump TV.

>> Oh god. I You know, I haven't I thought. that's what we've been watching the. whole time, >> right? >> Is that new? >> 24/7. Yes. Just launched on YouTube. This motherfucker's on TV. All it is is. it is nothing but Trump. People forget. that in the old days of presidents Obama. and Biden and all that like they weren't. on uh like a car alarm when you're. trying to sleep like it wasn't that. incessant rhythmic. Other presidents. like didn't always.

>> dominate all the airwaves. Like we're. all living Trump TV. Mhm. >> Why do you need another Trump TV? It's. It's what it is. >> Yes. And do you think the FCC is going. to police Trump TV? >> Yes. >> Of course. >> Because they are an independent agency. >> Yes. >> And independent agencies. >> Yes. >> Regulate in a manner that is befitting.

of their mandate. >> Yeah. Yeah, I look forward to them. enforcing the equal time measure with. Trump TV, of course. >> Although, I don't even know. Is Trump TV. I think it might just be a feed. I don't. even think. >> I think it's like existed for forever. Like the White House always had like a. live feed of their events and stuff. So, it's possibly a rebrand, but I'll have. to look into it a little more. >> The rebrand is just Did you see the. social video? It just cut together like. of parks and wreck and the office and.

all this stuff announcing Trump TV and. people were just like this is so many. lawsuits waiting to happen. >> I know. But that's he's a troll at. heart. That's what I mean. If we just. let him put his name on the country, will he stop trolling us? Will. he just leave us alone for a moment? >> Just I I just want. >> I just got to We got to get through. these two and a half. >> Yes. All right. >> That's all it is. Yeah. What's. >> next question? All right. >> Uh, John, does it concern you that. Melania Trump works less days than you?

>> Well, that's just that. Can I say this? That's just hurtful. >> It doesn't concern me. She's younger. than me. Oh, no. She work You say she. works less days than me. >> She works less days than you, apparently. >> What is she going in now? Once every two. weeks. >> If Where is she? I think the last time. she showed up was after the Natalie Harp. stuff was coming out and she was like, "Well, I got to show face.". >> Yeah. But by the way, would you go. there? It's a construction site. Why. would you go there? Why would you? You.

know where I'd like to live? In that. place where they just uh demolished and. there's like a 40ft sinkhole right. outside of my thing. Like it is going. back to the New York thing. It's like. the scaffolding is up and the. construction project is going on. And. I'm sure she's like, I got a perfectly. nice house down in Florida. >> Yeah. >> And I don't have to deal with this guy. >> Yes. That would be the number one. selling point. >> But you know what? I don't even consider. it that she works because any day you.

get to be with Donald Trump. >> when you love what you do. >> I'm sure. Yeah. So, I wouldn't even say. this. I you know it's I think it's a. misnomer to say Melania Trump doesn't. work because I think being married to. that dude is. I'm sorry but that's like what you hear. about like how they put finance bros. through those training programs where. they're like it's 160 hours a week. Uh. >> care work is work. >> Okay. >> Married to that dude is that's that's.

the most grueling job in America. That'll wear anybody down. No wonder why. she always looks angry though. >> Does she always Yeah. I don't even I. feel bad. I I don't even know why. I. just feel like Oh god, what a No, you. know what? She knew what she was signing. up for. So. >> she's got quite a payday coming. it. I take I take back my empathy. My empathy is now gone. >> And I am, you know, I used to have her. beautiful hat highlighted by a sconce. Yeah. >> In an area of uh, you know, the house to.

really show it off. I'm taking it down. >> Empathy gone. >> That's that. >> All right. Anymore? >> That's it for this week. >> Son of a gun. All right, kids. Uh, once. again, uh, tremendous. Oh, Britney, how. do they get in touch with us? >> Uh, Twitter, we are Weekly Showad, Instagram threads, Tik Tok, Blue Sky, We. Are Weekly Show Podcast, and you can. like, subscribe, and comment on our. YouTube channel, The Weekly Show with. John Stewart. >> I'm sorry that I forgot to ask that. I. was just my mind wandered for a second.

to a very handsome. Prime Minister. Uh, thanks again for. everything. Producer Britney Meny, producer Jillian Spear, video editor and. engineer Rob Vola, audio editor and. engineer Nicole Boyce, our associate. producer Rebecca Roenberg, and our. executive producers Chris McShane and. Katie Gray. We will see you guys next. week where our guest, Do we know who our. guest is next week? And will they be as. handsome or less hand? What on the on. the handsome spect? >> It's in the eye of the beholder. >> Is it Bern? Is it Bernie? >> Feel the burn.

>> BERNIE SANDERS. COME ON, BABY. Feel the. burn. He better come in with a tan. That's all I'm saying. All right, we'll. see you guys next week. The Weekly Show with John Stewart is a. Comedy Central podcast. It's produced by. Paramount Audio and Bus Boy Productions.