Two Greatest Minds of The Century (Gary Vaynerchuk) | The Tim Dillon Show #324

Gary vaynerchuk thank you so much for. being here thank you for having a sense. of humor I appreciate I was just giving. this water I imagine this would be the. last thing I drink uh this might be the. end this is okay this is it I die in a. room with toys. um thank you for for laughing and like. why don't you get mad when people make. fun of you other people get very. viciously angry but you kind of have fun. with it. um because you're this big character. yeah you say a lot of stuff I do some of.

it's very funny thank you and then you. know you some people because as a. comedian our job is to we make fun of. ourselves correct we make fun of. everyone we make fun of other comedians. Joe Rogan's one of my best friends we. make fun of him and we do a dumb. imitation of him that doesn't sound like. him it's a high-pitched voice what do. you mean man it's such a stupid but he. never gets mad and you don't seem to. really get upset I think um. first of all to be very Frank I'm. flattered that yeah I'm flattered that.

like that like I'm even known enough. that somebody would make jokes I think. growing up in Jersey in the 80s and 90s. is probably a big part of it I mean I. don't even recall living a life where. the majority of your friends are not. making fun of you 24 7 365 in that East. Coast 80s 90s life. um I I also love comedy like I genuinely. view it as flattering interesting you.

know I I sometimes even learn from it. you're like oh it's interesting like. people are that's what they're picking. up on or like they're exaggerating that. and especially to your point when you're. a big personality and you're exaggerated. when somebody then takes the exaggerated. part of you already being exaggerated it. tends to be really funny plus I've. always thought that comedians. were incredibly smart like I just always. grew up. very much believing that like Richard.

Pryor was a big factor I actually think. my keynote career is very wrestling. promo stand-up comic DNA to begin with. so I think there's a level of and. honestly to be even like really to the. point anybody who can't laugh at. themselves is [ __ ] yeah like genuinely. actually [ __ ] it means they're deeply. insecure and like unhappy and luckily. the DNA draw did not give me that and so. I'm cool with it well no and and we as.

comedians it's always cool when somebody. doesn't have you killed or you have a. good amount of money and you have. connections that's right you know what I. mean like doesn't have a car. that's nice there's nothing wrong you. know we love that Elon Musk buying. Twitter big mistake. probably not you know it's it's one of. the most important Platforms in the. world. and you know very quickly I think he. wants to turn it into something viable.

uh the product you know I've been on it. for a long time I was there super early. and. I mean from 2007 to today it hasn't. really evolved a whole lot. you know obviously the guys innovated. his whole career and so you know my. Spidey senses say that he'll find Peter. I've always thought that Twitter could. be a major you know Challenger to. Netflix and Amazon Prime like the world. goes there when things are going on I've.

always thought that it was a platform. that could have a subscription business. he showed that immediately he's probably. figuring out what the blue check thing. means now but like I've always thought. of it as an Ott competitor over the top. like a streaming service yeah I just. always thought that was much more that. could be done with Twitter and so I I'm. I don't think he'll lose on this one do. you think there's an issue with him. being such a big personality is there a. chance he gets in his own way a little. bit because he seems to like the. spotlight he seems to Crave the. spotlight and when you're running a.

company like that is that a potential. negative. I think it think if operationally. capable and you're just Sizzle and not. stake it can be a negative right. the guys run and built real companies. right so I think less likely okay you. know there's a lot of people who are. just sizzle. and they just you know let's bring it. back to Comedy yeah you and your buddies. know there's people you've come up the.

game with that actually. potentially were funnier had more Raw. Talent right for sure but you knew that. they weren't willing to put in the work. whether they didn't write or they didn't. they didn't put in the [ __ ] work yeah. right they didn't do enough mics they. didn't write enough whatever you know. you know this world better than I do but. I I'm dangerous enough to keep an eye. from afar. and they haven't won. and I think that's similar to the way I. think about entrepreneurship like if you. can't actually operate if you don't put. in the work if you're not that person.

the the sizzle what you're referring to. will [ __ ] it up you'll get found out. everyone gets exposed in the end right. now I'm still a believer in FTX because. I am and Sam Beckman freed I think is a. genius I'm undeterred by the new state. of news uh and and I just want a. commitment from you that you're still a. Believer because so many people are. jumping [ __ ] now whereas I say to myself. like isn't this time to really show him.

our support like let him know that like. what he's doing is good like he's giving. Bill Clinton money and like these are. people that need money right the. Democrats yeah so it's just a good I. think it's a good thing what he's done. how do we help him that's my question. like how could we help him do we get him. to Dubai do we get him on a chat. what does this say about the larger. crypto thing is it over. no because I mean you know nobody I know. that actually is educated in crypto kept.

their money in an exchange because. that's not decentralized but what about. Gisele Bundchen well that's not someone. who I would deem as somebody who's deep. crypto right you know and I think I. think some of these step backwards. during this era are going to be similar. to when pets.com and all that stuff. happened in the internet back in 2001. like people were just confused and they. get hyped and over excited about dumb. [ __ ] you know look fraud is hard to see. at times but you know centralized you.

know exchanges are a dangerous game. you're keeping your money in an. unregulated Industries platform that Sam. was able to do the things that one would. fear in that scenario and so I think. crypto is such a big technology but. unfortunately greed and short-term. thinking and all that always clouds new. technologies it's always the same [ __ ]. yeah it seems to be that he was able to. win over so many well money does that. fans right money does and he was called.

the Visionary is it dangerous when you. have somebody when you have a a. situation where it's the crypto in. general is not really that well. understood by the general correct right. that's right so when you have a small. amount of people that really understand. the ins and outs of this is it just more. of a uh you know potential for this type. of thing well not really because you. know the the reality is it's the people.

that know it aren't necessarily even. excited about the kind of things that. are being built that are screwing things. up like the hardcore technologists. actually just wanted to all be. decentralized that's why Bitcoin has. such enthusiasm around it the nft thing. is really misunderstood because it's. about the smart contracts and Technology. there but it got all going on the. collectibility right and so I don't. think it's about a small group knowing. because it wasn't Sam's knowledge of. blockchain that created this.

vulnerability it was the lack of. knowledge of people leaving their money. in there and like anything else when. people are anytime there's something. that's too good to be true when. everyone's trying to make a fast Buck. this is what happens and you made the. right call this is so similar to the web. in 95 678 the difference was people. weren't throwing around money and. investing in things back then they. didn't want they did on the public. stocks like the pets.com and things that. nature but that was a small group today.

everybody all these youngsters yeah they. all think they're investors yeah and. they're throwing around money like crazy. so you're a long-term believer in crypto. I'm phased by any of the. uh you know obviously the dips or. like if yeah I mean I'm I'm personally. most bullish on nfts. right because I think that that's like. iPhone app. website social media accounts long term. I was taught I went to Art Basel last.

year okay and all of the everybody was. talking about nfts yes or it might have. been two years ago I I forget probably. last year it was out of control it was. last year it was last year you had like. marshmallow at your party no okay so but. I wish I did there were some there was. some some party where somebody knew you. let me in somebody I appreciate that one. of your employees I think. um. and actually I think that's we did have. yes. and left early and didn't get to see him.

now yeah he was good he was great. um everybody was talking about nfts yes. you have always been honest to your. credit saying 90 of these 99 99. thank you are going away projects are. going to zero that's right is it a. little insane when do those two. statements are they able to live. together like of course that was 99 of. this is going away and yet everybody get. excited about it because it's awesome. yes okay because it was because it's the. complete replica of the internet you.

know most of the people forget what. internet hysteria 9670 looked like yeah. and I was 10. you were 10. what did it. look like it looked like the following. the internet is going to change. everything and everything's gonna be on. the internet in 24 months and meanwhile. there wasn't like a person I knew over. 40 that even knew how to get on the. internet right right that's why I get. scared about the metaverse and VR like. the Techno the excitement is right but. it always takes 15 years and yes do I. think one percent is going to be special.

of course I do because Amazon was. sitting there in 1999 for four dollars. share or whatever and that was a really. good idea if you put a thousand into. Amazon it's like a million today it like. worked out the problem was people get. too greedy too fast and so yeah it was. pretty easy for me to be like hey this. nft thing's pretty awesome comma 99 of. what's out right now is going to zero. don't invest money that you can't afford. to lose the problem is nobody heard the. second part right because you had a.

buddy who bought a [ __ ] nft that had. a snail with like a cigar up its ass and. he's like I bought this for 80 bucks. it's now worth 44 000 and like. everyone's like what the [ __ ] isn't that. a statement of our economy yes that is. snail with a cigar up his ass that's. right which self of like imagine telling. a uh getting a guy out of the mindset. coal mines in Pennsylvania yes and. showing him yes it it does because I I. was in subprime mortgages and and there. are people that have negative thoughts. about them yeah I think they were.

beautiful instruments but a lot of. people have negative they say negative. things about them whatever but I don't. think you I think people with that money. should be given it sometimes so the. reality is I don't have a problem with. like these types of speculative things. where people are like hey I'm taking a. chance let's see if this works. um but you were also a deep believer and. and this you may be proven right I don't. I don't know if we know in the art. behind some of this stuff uh no for me.

it's it's a couple things yeah I do. believe that there will be a Jackson. Pollock and an Andy Warhol of this. generation I believe when you and I. overbear watch this clip yeah in 22. years yeah that whether it's x copy or. people or somebody Amber Victoria I. don't know who but will there be three. to four people that put out stuff during. this era that in 25 years people collect. like vigorously yeah yes I believe that. to be true. that's point zero one percent of all the. artists right my bigger thing was I felt.

what really got me hyped was it reminded. me of after school 80s cartoons if you. think about 80s after school cartoons. Transformers GI Joe My Little Pony right. yes all the Care Bears all these. Ghostbusters all these IPS were built. right and it's very clear to me that. during this era 578 GI Joe Transformer. My Little Ponies will happen because you. have real people that are real creative.

that are building intellectual. properties and some of them will survive. this Carnage right and I believe that. those will be the important art. collectible cartoons video games TV. friends is your line of yes yes of all. the different and are are you you're the. proactive yes yes please yeah it looks. like you active piranha that's right so. now this is a piranha who's it believes. in Hustle culture well I don't know. about that well he's probably why is why. is proactive hustle culture well he's.

hustling no proactive well that's a form. of hustling well it all depends on how. you want to use it so this is a piranha. and this are you against being proactive. because I would argue you're one of the. more proactive people I have actually. watched navigate Earth I well that's. completely I mean you've seen a lot of. people in that I heard that are a lot. more proactive than me you're very. proactive I try to be as proactivism. you're proactive brother I try to be. proactive which is proactive and I kind. of look like I don't want to sue you but. this is there is a similarity to this. now this this piranha is he is he to.

teach children about nfts like what is. he. like is part of your here's where I see. the V Frets yes you know everyone's. going nuts about the trans teachers like. grooming the getting the kids to be. trans icv friends ladies and gentlemen I. love athletic greens everybody loves it. it's a great way to uh basically boost. your immune system. I mean it is huge everybody loves this.

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well but no but I think yeah for me you. know I think that. in a lot of stuff you talk about in a. world of red and blue right I think all. the answers are purple right really I. think it's insane what everyone's doing. and so for me be friends is kind of like. a world that I want to create that. really educates people to play a little. bit more in the middle which is like. proactiveness [ __ ] matters. accountable ant not on the Shelf talk. about a character I want to build this. is an aunt who's got [ __ ] accountable.

for saying something wrong nope and. needs to be taught no this is an ant. okay that understands that almost. everybody's upset because they want to. blame somebody besides themselves so. these are characters that all have like. there's a message yes there's like. accountable ant there's probably so. everyone has a thing about them yep and. is this targeted it do you think kids. learning stuff I'm gonna build it over. the next 50 years kind of like Marvel. they'll be the stuff that's young right. but then just like you know older movies.

yeah. um these characters will be developed to. go the gamut from 1 to 99. okay and. right now I'm skewing towards a younger. play you know cartoons and toys yeah. video games and and so that's where my. focus is right now when people criticize. a lot of whatever you want to say. marketing gurus people that are telling. people like. hustle figure it out grind build your. own thing which of course is benefits to.

all of that right but then there are. these these vast Chasm of inequalities. right this vast Chasm of wealth between. people that are at the top and the. people that are at the bottom and it. seems increasingly unsustainable uh that. we have this massive Chasm right is it. you mean in society not in marketing. right we're gonna probably live to see. trillionaires right right guys who have. a trillion dollars yes and then we have. large swaths of the country that are.

somewhat ungoverable I mean they're just. people can't get clean water it's it's. tough how does that all in in the way. you look at the world how do you think. the ethos of what you kind of preach. fits into a society where more and more. people have less and less. and more and more people are being I. guess. disenfranchised economically they're. unable to.

um participate in society in a in a way. that you would like them to yeah I mean. I think this is why I love purple versus. red and blue yeah you know I'm a true. entrepreneur right I was born in. communism right like actually right so. you know I think that I struggle with. trying to suppress Merit. agreed that's just doesn't feel like the. human Spirit agreed on the flip side the. thought of people who make hundreds of. millions of dollars a year not paying. taxes or trying to contribute feels off.

as well right so for me like I'm a big. fan of the middle like I really really. believe in that [ __ ] so as far as my. message the I the the concept of like. hey here are things that I see that. might help you potentially. feels incredibly good you know I don't. think what I talk about works for. everyone I think everyone has a. different DNA like I just share the. things that I observe that I'm excited. about with the hope that it provides.

value as far as kind of like just it's a. good feeling to get messages or. interactions with people that have. benefited from the positivity right. I I you know I talk to a lot of my. friends who are entrepreneurs and. capitalists who I always feel like the. world If You're Gonna Want Merit let's. have Merit and I feel like when people. get into their 70s 80s and 90s and they. don't want to fight in the jungle. anymore and they decide to use their. money to pay off politicians to keep.

their money yeah that's kind of lose. your [ __ ] entrepreneurship it just. seems like the system's so easy to game. because I agree with you about that I. agree I agree so much about Merit but. then you look at the FTI stuff and you. go man the system seems very very you. know easily game well that's been you. know the problem with the FDX thing is. like Bernie Madoff did it on the SEC. like when he's like like it happens all. it's happened for humans are flawed. brother yeah like it's part of the. [ __ ] I know it's like it's [ __ ]. part of the game of life like it is what.

it is it sucks like who like [ __ ]. ripping people off there's people. killing people this second as you and I. sit here with a [ __ ] piranha there. are people killing killing other people. humans and for no money it's a waste. it's for no people doing it for free. that's right and and right that and. that's a bigger problem is that there's. no even benefit financially I mean if. you really want to get into like the. [ __ ] real [ __ ] up are you Ukrainian. I'm Bella Russian I was born in Belarus. what's your read on this.

[ __ ] I mean I mean just quickly I know. it's hard my reading this is like you. could is there is there a is there an. animal that'll explain the Ukraine war. behind there this is the rational. rattlesnake okay okay everything that's. really rational rattlesnake everything. that's going on in Ukraine and Russia is. not rational it's not right not rational. that's not that rattlesnake but this guy. he's the one who goes here that's right. I'm gonna set in a rational rattles yeah. to talk to Putin he goes because we. can't totally isolate his videos got all. the nukes right you know like right.

making all the news but and zelinski. seems like he's doing a good job by the. way as we're filming this by the way as. we're [ __ ] taping this a [ __ ]. Missile hit Poland I know but here's the. way we all feel about Poland this may be. good for Poland but would you stop. Poland has nothing going on Gary you. know this better than anyone this is a. great Rebrand opportunity for Poland you. think so. you feel things towards Poland here's. the thing with Poland Paul is now the. country that got like hit with a missile. by mistake right it's time it's a. Rebrand it can go in they can March into.

it own it otherwise we didn't really. think about Poland so this is kind of. what we have to do it's like it's. branding right you've said it so I mean. so so look I think I think the reality. is is that. there's so much always going on yeah and. right now there's a lot going on right. and this is actually why I admire what. you do for a living thank you I believe. that people need two core things when. [ __ ] is really [ __ ] tense yes one.

true escapism yes and I think that's. what you provide yes I think when people. go oh really you really do yeah like. you're really good at it yeah and. [ __ ] laughing on some real [ __ ] is. something way more people need to do I. agree it would really help a lot of. people there's a [ __ ] going on then. number two it's the things that I'm. passionate about which is like just kind. of jumping on what can I do about it. right you know like like if you were. just like I can't do [ __ ] everything's. [ __ ] do you know how sad you get how.

fast 100 and I'm not saying that we. should do that it just by the way on the. record my number one topic for the last. 25 years amongst my small group of. friends is that the separation of wealth. is the number one reason good places go. to the ground yeah and I'm completely. about to answer you directly people like. people go hey. um I want to hustle I want to do all. these things I want to be an. entrepreneur I want to do all these. things but like my mother has cancer yes. she does not have health care that's. real life she's been working at a job.

for however long and she's still unable. to pay for her medication yes these are. real things and the question becomes in. that scenario besides voting yes what. does Ronnie or Sally in that scenario do. interesting right like to me right with. like to me systematic issues yes we can. spend the rest of your [ __ ] podcast. to you and I [ __ ] die right talking. about that but then in their life they. should they could do something I I mean. here's here of course right there are.

people who have remarkably challenging. circumstances that accomplish things. yeah the end right I mean I mean I agree. both my parents lost a parent at 5 and. 16. that happened that was real right. they lived in the USSR my mom lost her. mom when did you come here 1978. so you. were born in the USSR I was born in the. U.S that's such a great hook isn't it a. great hook to have because you can. really when you say you were born in.

communism you really it really is true. well you should see the combos me and my. parents have when everyone's like. America's going socialist my father is. broken you know his accents like these. [ __ ] stupid Americans if they. understood what the [ __ ] that actually. was right and so like yeah it gives you. perspective it also when you grow up in. a Russian household like when I would. like break my arm my mom would like you. remember that old Chris Rock joke that. Robitussin like rubbed like I lived that. life yeah it was like Mom I'm sick she's. like go to sleep I was like what the. [ __ ] is medicine when I was like what.

the college and my friends like take. some Tylenol I'm like what is this. incredible superpower you know like she. was tough it was just different and so. like so it makes you like appreciate. everything right. do you think social media engagement is. down social media engagement is down. it's that's what all the articles are. said it's is am I wrong I think social. media engagement on certain platforms is. potentially down but go ahead. there are all these articles a Spate of. Articles coming out yes this is why this.

is why we're sitting here together you. texted me and said yeah hey this well. that's I said brother I'm actually going. to cancel my Tuesday night yeah let's. [ __ ] I I was like bring your. camouflage I I want to get your yeah I'm. in my cam out this is I want to get your. read on this go ahead there are people. out there making persuasive compelling. arguments that the your beloved social. media my beloved beloved social media. people are sick of yes they're sick of. it yes they've realized how toxic it is. yes they're gonna go back to their. regular lives whatever the hell that.

means they're gonna unplug from this. thing that's good and then the the. internet is not going to be the sole. driver of culture in our our lives. anymore what is going to be Netflix I. don't know your podcast I don't know I. hope all of those things I mean deals. with both but the reality is you will. you allow this to happen. will you let this happen will you let. people you want to hear something insane. will you let people leave. do you know how pumped I would be if.

social disappeared I mean that seems. crazy to hear why I [ __ ] built on. email before that or like like. I only care about where the attention is. right and I'll follow that right so like. to me if Facebook and Twitter and snap. and Tick Tock all went you know yeah. people like Tick Tock might be banned. the whole company's texting me like what. the [ __ ] I'm like good right like it's. completely irrelevant right all I care. about is trying to understand where. people are paying attention and then I. try to create value in that channel.

whether that's a [ __ ] book or if I. have to go outside and [ __ ] talk on a. corner yeah I'm interested when you look. at social media and you see that it is. quite toxic well that's because people. are toxic of course they are well but. social media also allows them to be. toxic well what do you ask of amounts of. people well you want it regulated I'm. not saying regularly I'm just saying. what you like people seem to be kind of. detaching no yes I totally agree that's. good that is good I love the Merit of. the market okay if it's not bringing you.

value what the [ __ ] are you doing people. come up to me all the time like. literally at the airport like Gary. Instagram I'm like like Instagram is. yeah what's going on with it I'm like. it's just people drinking drinks out of. hot dogs and it's it's sick but don't. you understand this is kind of a portal. to Hell we've all opened here well a. little bit I don't it's a little bit of. moon walking to Heaven because of it. well that's a great way to say you're. going to hell this Moon walking to. Heaven is that true that's what someone. would say if they were going to hell. yeah if I end up in hell I'm gonna be.

like [ __ ] TD if you [ __ ]. send me here you will colonize it. quickly. I'll dominate you would dominate I'll. get everybody happy yeah. what is the main focus of when you look. at these people saying that the. internet's people are kind of getting. you know take stepping back it means. nothing new in fact you like it you. think this is a good thing I think these. are articles being written based on the. the article that you're probably. referring to is like oh it's more about.

Tick Tock and YouTube and like Netflix. it's more about entertainment and I'm. like who's providing the entertainment. right it's humans yeah like I I love. this concept yeah that like nothing look. any ideology one has yeah just no matter. where it is right you just have to base. it on what people are actually doing. does does the I'm gonna tell you let me. just finish this for sure people are not. using this [ __ ] less right but if they. are cool if there's a fat girl on. Instagram who eats a different sausage.

every day yes she deserve to be famous. do you know what I mean anybody deserves. this but Gary don't you see why some. people think that's crazy I think it's. crazy that you and I are famous I don't. even know if we are but you're very. famous. you have the animals. I actually think that there is no Fame.

it's been commoditized and everybody's. got some sort of audience right I think. it's awesome I think it's awesome that. Sean can do what he does with comedy on. people that that who is Justin what does. Sean do Sean is gonna be as big as you. in three years that's I listen you. should be bigger than me now but what. does he do just out of curiosity he. works at 1 37 PM which is a media. platform that I own here in my Vayner X. World okay but he really he's a future. comedic Superstar wow I really think. he's very I really do think he's. extremely talented God bless good luck.

thank you and I think you if you dug in. would like actually believe that's true. I I feel like he's part of the crew that. you came up with like you would see it. anyway nonetheless if we met or not. breakfast very briefly but we didn't. know oh you want this gang fast yeah. okay oh she's fine he's plugged he's. plugged in like like by the way. I just said that strictly selfish so I. could cut it in four years I mean I. predicted this kid right that was all. selfish that's what you do do you are. you doing knowing that it's all of it.

there's something are they what are they. doing their tests all of it because uh. yeah if you're listening around the. building is doing a test that's good. it's authentic. um everything I am petrified to be wrong. right so everything I say publicly I'd. like to be right about Sam Bachman freed. calls you what do you tell him what's. your advice to a guy at this point in. his life he's a young guy I have fought. believe it or not you'll appreciate this. I have followed this so little it is. very seemingly that he's in fraudsville. and I think what he needs to do is like.

really go through like some help to. understand how he got into this place. into fraudsville yeah so we he's got to. maybe get some therapy to get into. fraudsville I think so better help. online therapy will do it. um I I'm sure so your company because. there's people out there that don't. understand what you do right that's my. favorite story no it's true they go wait. he's there he's everywhere well we don't. understand what he does have you watched. the. show Mad Men yes that's what I do for a. living a very large version of the.

advertising Giants that you're helping. companies connect with people on social. media yeah but also I mean how my social. media get better not yours because I'm. not big enough but no no but like that's. correct not people right. yes companies It's Cold Stone Creamery I. would love to come to you yes and say we. need more fat sad people to come and you. are establishments that we put why does. it have to be fat and sad because that's.

where you build your Market Gary no. there's there's kids and families every. now and then after Lily game but you. build your Market if you Cold Stone on a. guy who's had enough who comes in and. just wants do you like Cold Stone like. it's not bad it's good right it's not. bad I've been fat and sad and I'm. telling you there there are markets that. are built on on the backs of of sad. people that are doing their own thing. there's nothing wrong with that I. understand yes you have to connect with. everybody you know so but those so. companies are for you it's not people. correct okay interesting and so for me.

these companies waste so much money on. traditional TV commercials banner ads on. websites it's actually scary how poorly. The Fortune 500 ecosystem spends their. marketing dollars and so we came 13. years ago and have really built a large. 2000 person global company that I'm. really proud of and I really enjoy. operating who are the most interesting. entrepreneurs that you've seen up close. that you've worked with that you think.

are I don't know how many of them you. can say or not that you look at and they. embody the values of somebody who can. really uh you know innovate and change. the world like who are the people that. I'm a big fan I'm a big fan of Evan. Williams he was Jack dorsey's partner at. Twitter okay he did um blogger blogger. back in the day and then he did audio. which was a podcast thing that kind of. got crushed because Apple came out with.

right it's iTunes and then he did. Twitter with Jack and he was. instrumental he was the first CEO I. believe I've always thought you know. what do you think of Jack I Don't Know. Jack super well but like he really. invented the concept of Twitter right. and I loved that he was running Twitter. outfits where he dresses like a shaman. he's cool yeah no that's disturbing oh. it's disturbing well it's a little. off-putting it's but I get it it's cool. for a minute but then it gets odd but. but these guys are interesting they're. unique eccentric people.

Evan is super not okay I think what Evan. is is just very in tune with consumers I. really like people that really Sarah. Blakely with Spanx okay if you really. look at how she built that brand right. very in tune with cons like what I get. excited about is when people really have. a good sense of what the masses want. okay I'm intrigued by that like truly. being like hey this is missing or this. would be awesome if it existed right and. it doesn't have to be something as. profound as like what Elon and like and. Jack and like it could be literally.

Spanx it could literally be like you. know like like who thought of like. bottled water like like I actually think. that's interesting it would have been a. ridiculous concept it was [ __ ] free. somebody's like no people will actually. want this this way I'm always fascinated. by that are you fascinated by this and. I'm sure you are about like you know you. look at casamigos tequila look at what. the Kardashians yes all this influencer. Capital right celebrity Capital where. it's like their value is In Their. audience their name things like that.

that's a very interesting they're. partnering with you know it's funny I. also grew up in the liquor industry my. dad in a liquor store and what I will. tell you is what people don't know about. Ryan Reynolds gin or the rocks or. cloonis tequila is what they've a lot of. these celebrities have done. well is they've actually made really. good products so what used to happen in. especially alcohol is like the Rolling. Stones would like give their name to a. wine it would be like bulk [ __ ] wine. and it was like a novelty gift somewhere.

around 20 years ago people started. getting serious and making like actual. good stuff right so now what I think is. fascinating about that whole genre is. they're not mailing it in on the product. and I think it's a preview of what. you're going to see more and more which. is like it's not a private label that. just puts a celebrity on it which was. the whole move of the 80s and 90s people. are trying to build actual things and I. do think people like Mr Beast and others. are going to build multi-billion dollar. companies you you should Mr B seems to.

be like the guy he's doing a really good. job yeah I mean he's also like you know. like he goes more into your world where. like when I think about you when I think. about like there's people that have. craft yeah his videos on YouTube is crap. brilliant like my craft is just the. words and ideas that come out of my. mouth but it's not the production and. like like he is craft yeah and you know. the Beast Burger thing has been huge the. chocolate thing's been huge he's a young. dude he understands like giving a [ __ ]. about your audience playing the long.

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him Dylan is that a minute. to go through challenging periods can. they come back the Weinstein Company. how does the Weinstein Company because. let's be honest they made great movies. yes and they had some problems yes. how does the Weinstein Company come back. Vander media you're there you take them. on as a client you sit them in one of. these beautiful conference rooms. how do you get them back.

make great movies that's right. don't just you go back to basics you go. back to basics and you just ignore. well ignore the people are saying that. okay I think I think things evolved. right like right Adidas and BMW were. Nazi driven companies do you say the. Skechers. do a Nazi shoe with Kanye no I don't. don't no because at the end of the day. do you yes because there's nothing going. on in Skechers right and if they did a. kind of a Nazi boot that could play in.

Middle America so TD yeah you believe it. is in Skechers best business 100. strategy to create a Nazi to go Nazi. boot huge respect because I don't know. what else is going on over there you. know I I mean do you have time to join. the strategy team of some of my. competitors yes listen I who are your. competitors who are the people who are. the people out there do you have enemies. do you have people you want to crush is. it like succession where you sit back.

here and you go there's another I think. Dad and I want his family I did I think. that's where people have a real [ __ ]. up view of the world the the world is. fundamentally abundant there's nobody. that's taking any fans from you right. like there's plenty they're all over the. streaming services it's a Renaissance. for all you guys and gals it's awesome. but I promise you the seven to ten. people that are in the game that you. look at that you admire that you think. are good that are bad whatever none of.

them are taking anything from you no and. what Joe Rogan has done is kind of shown. people that by sharing correct. uh Evolution doing all that stuff you. actually help each other help yourself. so you're 100 right up I look do I want. to win of course I'm competitive I like. to be as successful as I can be at the. game that I'm playing but like as a Jets. fan yeah when the Jets lose a football. game and the game's over and they take. their helmets off and they're giving.

love to the opponent I hate that right. because I'm pissed right because I'm a. fan right fanatic yeah and I want to. [ __ ] punch the TV because I'm like. [ __ ] those guys don't even shake their. hands right but when I do it in real. life. AKA pitching for business and we lose it. like I'm not angry about that I don't. think anyone's taking anything from me. yeah and so like I don't I don't really. have a feeling where I have negative. feelings towards people I want to win. every time but if not cool and I'm. definitely not gonna be like Sally or.

Rick or pieces of [ __ ] because they slip. out on the staff Everett do you give. those meetings do you give those like uh. you know like uh Glenn Gary Glenn Ross. meetings where it's like always be. closing I think the concept of leading. with fear is [ __ ] asinine right no I. do not do that okay so you're more of. like a kind of like uh I don't know how. what you would say but more of like a. lover a lover yeah okay you're not Logan. Roy you're not going in there and like.

okay do you what are you when you when. you first started making money what were. the things that you liked was it a nice. car was it a watch was it are you into. stuff like that or was it I don't like. stuff I I did like buying like custom. Jets jerseys of like random players that. nobody knew who the [ __ ] they were okay. but that's like ninety dollars right I. don't really like to buy stuff I do like. vacations I like spending time with my. friends and family right like I'm huge. that to me is humongous I'd much rather.

spend on like paying for like my. family's flights or [ __ ] like that. that's the big luxury place for me right. so it's not things I don't want things. it's experiences I want the game right. experiences yes. you want the game you like the game you. just like I'm just curious how great of. an entrepreneur am I is a question I'd. like answered for myself before I die. that's a very interesting question how. great of an entrepreneur because since. you're a little kid you just love making. making businesses making money making.

things happen yes and you want to take. that as far as you can take it I'm. genuinely curious of how great am I at. the game of business right on the flip. side in parallel I love you know I love. the game so much that I want to give. back to it back to Joe that you. mentioned yeah I'm a I really [ __ ] with. comedians yeah I really do and I'll tell. you why. I love the following scenario when I. watch documentaries and I watch a lot of.

[ __ ] I always collecting I always love. hearing all of you guys and gals talk. about when you had a set at the Laugh. Factory and a [ __ ] OG came up to you. and gave you dabs yeah. I've always been very fascinated by that. like just the concept of people at the. top of the game loving their game so. much that they're willing to give love. for the kids that are on the come up. yeah and I do a ton of that in. entrepreneur land I want to leave a. legacy that brings value to the other.

people trying to play this game how do. people get jobs at Fan your media do. that how does it do you see someone. doing something in life do you ever go. you're at a restaurant and you see a guy. who's just the best waiter yes the best. bartender and you go listen dude you. that was very common at Vayner early on. it's less common now because I just. haven't been out and about the last. three years because of covet and I'm not. traveling as much right. and at this point we're just getting.

bombarded with hundreds of applications. a week right like these guys that are in. the room right now they all have a. similar look to them they haven't it's. an intensity that's terrifying yes and. you can tell it behind their eyes. there's nothing and you could just and. they're ready to kill you personally. anymore there's trees just being chopped. down in there yes and and but there's. something about that I think it's good. like I look at these people and I go. these are good people how do you find. them I think it becomes momentum like a. lot of it's Word of Mouth a lot of it's. random Dustin get on the mic real quick. and yeah get close how did you get your.

job Dustin tell us I applied like a. regular person and what happened got. rejected we could say it into the mic. just because we want the people to know. got applied applied toys got rejected. both times. um then. you kidnap Gary's children it's smart. it's a good I wish it was that easy but. um then the director at the time just. hit me up an email said come in for an. interview I said okay cool had the. interview gave me a homework assignment.

did the homework assignments never heard. from him again then four months later. calls me out of the blue it was like hey. you still interested in the job I said. yes come in uh let's I mean then we'll. see we'll go from there and then just. Sean went hard from then. um editing or well I I applied twice yep. didn't hear back started popping off on. Tick Tock a little bit. right yeah well then I I stopped because. I was upset about a girl and I had a. wall in my life and then may hit me up.

okay we love yourself will you edit. Gary's tick tocks so I wow for two. months. 2020 Pete covet um I'm depressed as [ __ ]. I just bombed an interview at an. investment bank because I thought I had. covet if I was gonna die because I was. just that's some depression uh I see. your blog post about the post-creative. status show I'm like this looks. interesting like I like reading comments. I could do this but I think I could do. really well I literally just applied. online I think I had like 10 different. interviews with like all the different. teams like candles uh eventually ended.

up on dff met team Mary do you ever sit. in the interview not anything you're. intimidating no no don't come in no I. think I I do at the most my direct. reports the c-suite and things of that. nature I use the sweet is the top the. top this is the top this is the top you. don't get to the c-suite without. competence. yeah confidence probably competence oh. competent I'm guessing Okay that you. have confidence that's a good point you.

know the reality is hiring is guessing. right like I really go on my intuition. but you know it's funny you said early. on the way we started this I'm so. confident in my intuition. that that's why I think I do so well. with people razzing me or making like. literally the first time I ever saw any. of the stuff that you were saying right. I had already been aware of some of your. comedy and then saw this some of the. stuff it was within a hundredth of a. second I'm like this is a good dude. right it didn't even like while all my. friends were like yo we're gonna beat. the [ __ ] out of TV no no no no I'm like.

he's a great dude they're like what all. right you know the trees in the eyes. like that yeah you know so for me the. same thing with hiring comma I've. mishired so much in my [ __ ] life. right that I know it's [ __ ] guessing. it's guess it's [ __ ] guessing right. of course you get more experiences you. get the great [ __ ] hearers no. different than your sets are stronger. today than 15 years ago yeah but every. [ __ ] I mean I I've made a couple hires. in the last 18 months literally I'm just. laughing at how bad these people are. right now yeah what makes somebody great.

as an employee or not you know somebody. who's like what makes somebody better in. the business situation and what makes. somebody worse like is it somebody who's. able to stop at the door Yeah in our. company it's not being it's not. believing in cynicism and not being. scared okay because we have unlimited. doors my doors open are people team is. huge like the way we do HR is [ __ ].

different and like if you're gonna bring. cynicism of the places you worked in the. past it's going to lead to politics and. you're going to lose if you're willing. to kind of let go and over communicate. whatever's bothering you or things that. nature you will crush yeah when you're. telling companies how to reach people. yes what's the most important you know. you know they go we want to get to. Consumers creative strategy per social. media platform okay understanding like. for you for example yeah back to your. social yes I would do a lot more on. LinkedIn if I were you I you know what. this is brilliant because I've never.

thought about that so I think a lot of. your comedy is super thoughtful no and I. didn't even know I could do something on. LinkedIn correct do you mean comedy or. start like a healthcare fraud company. because I'll do that I know you will. okay but I highly recommend you get. thoughtful about taking some of your. Clips yeah clipping it for LinkedIn and. writing copy that is a hair take like 10. miles off your fastball yeah and I think. you would [ __ ] Crush that's very. interesting so it's it's creative.

strategy it's understanding that a video. on Tick Tock is going to act different. than a video on YouTube shorts and a. video on Twitter it's you know you'll. really like this because this is there's. no way to be a big time comedian without. understanding this every platform is a. different room right right so like when. you're touring the U.S yes you know I. know this about your comedy because I've. as I've dug in as we've gotten friendly. on text a little bit I like am more. Curious and I'm always kind of rooting. more you have to know somebody your your. comedy is going to be different in city.

by city that's right country by country. always different so for me same with the. way I do public speaking and definitely. the backbone of why I want on social. like I understand the room that I'm in. and for me it's you're trying to get. them to laugh and think I'm trying to. get them to think and do right and so I. think that's where people are missing. they think let me make a piece of. content and I'm gonna blast it on all. these platforms I'm thinking oh I'm in. Tick Tock tonight well I'm in like.

Buffalo for 40 people I have to give us. I have to give a Josh Allen joke right. oh I'm in Australia let me give a footy. joke right and a Cooper's beer not a. Budweiser and so contextual creative is. the number like out of this entire. podcast for all the people listening. this little part right here is the. single thing that can make their career. or their little business or their big. business go further understanding how to. make content for the place you're. [ __ ] Distributing it right. what do you think about the Resurgence.

of nfts when does that happen I have no. idea you have no idea no because now. you're in the winter we're in a tipto we. are in crypto winter this is the death. this is when this is this is when B. Players Get Smoked Out B players yeah. the C and dnf players are literally. already gone they're dead they're dead B. players are gonna get the frostbite and. get their toes cut out how bad has it. gotten what's a crypto Punk going for. now maybe the floor is like. 8 70 80k and it was five horrible well.

crypto punks is the one because that guy. that's gonna be the one yeah like you. know I can only talk about what I'm. doing that's the only one I'm sure of. including mine If I Die Tomorrow the. friends can't be what it was supposed to. be right from V friends to World of. women to board ape to all of them yeah. it requires the operator to make it. awesome over the next 20 years to. justify the whole thing he said every. business is going to eventually have an. nft strategy 100 you said three is going. it's an inevitable thing correct it's.

gonna happen yes. um and you don't know when well I think. over the next decade or two that will be. obvious and here's what I mean by that. almost every every like the amount of. companies that have an app on the iPhone. is remarkable right there's like local. pizza restaurants that have one location. in Maine that have an app right not. every single app is going to become Tick. Tock and Instagram. same with nfts the technology of nft is. going to work for every business.

but not every project is going to be. board API club right so it's technology. not about the collectibility. when do you think the metaverse. because the metaverse those things look. horrible are you excited on some real. [ __ ] real [ __ ] because you're a smart. dude sure are you excited about doing. virtual events in 15 years I kind of am. yeah I I think you're gonna Crush that. yes I I I'm excited about that and what.

are you where are you gonna live. full-time when you don't have to go. anywhere. according to the IRS I file in Dubai. right taxes in Dubai and I and I have a. mosque where I run most of my business. through no but real talk yeah what's. your get what's your absolute guess just. for fun so we can recall it and clip it. and see how right you are okay 16 years. from now yes VR is at full scale yes you. don't have to go anywhere okay you are. gonna have a home base and you're gonna. do 200 shows a year yeah and you're not. gonna [ __ ] travel interesting where. do you physically live in the middle of.

the ocean. in like a in like a pot like a pirate. like a pod what do you think about. Austin Texas everyone's saying it's the. next thing everybody's going to Austin. are you going to be left behind living. in New York like some loser look at this. dump have you been to Austin have you. seen it they have a barbecue and. lesbians don't you want to go there we. have barbecue we have barbecues and. lesbians anymore no I know but what do. you say now we all know Austin's a dump. and the people who are moving there are. insane but what do you think about it.

where do you stand on it are you with. them are you against them I'm with. everyone. you're with everybody you can't because. you can't be with everyone I'm playing I. never live in Austin Texas 100 now never. never and now why because I'll never. leave New York okay I would never live. in L.A I would never live in Detroit I. would love never live in Florida what do. you think it is about New York for you. specifically the New York Jets. is that it yes is that true yes that's.

decision I need to be thank God you do. this because you really could have been. a killer you could have killed you. really could like as I sit here to this. interview it's like thank God you were. an entrepreneur because there there's. another version of you that's just kill. you I just you love the chats I love the. Jets see I it's funny to me because I. used to be a tour guide on a double. decker bus before I had any money doing. comedy and there was one guy named. Bernie who was this guy he was his older. guy and he never he was always like I. don't have any money I live in the Bronx. it's horrible and I go why don't you. move you know they have tour buses other.

places Yankees and he I swear to God he. went I like the Yankees and I'm like. yeah. it's insane it was the only other time. you heard somebody this insane yeah I. heard it here in this Colossus. and then Bernie the tour guide is. probably God Rest his soul I imagine. he's dead Bernie I hope you're alive if. you are please hit us up DMS. um I this is the place man it's. obviously the Jets but like this is the. place where else why right like it's got. everything there's so many people I love. people it's got so many people it's.

always crowded yeah it's always Austin. has tacos that you can eat in the. morning they call them breakfast tacos. we have those big there's nothing. anybody has yeah that we don't have. well okay. if you say no of course I know that. you're correct I mean I moved to LA. because yeah you know because you're an. entertainment horse we're the devil yeah. that's where you want to be and in my. business you have to get as close as you. can to the devil before he eats your. soul and then spits you out now that's.

kind of what our business is that's what. the entertainment and then you always. want to do it. uh meet the devil no did I yeah when I. was a little kid I was funny and my. parents you know I lived to cut a crazy. life and it was uh I did drugs early and. I was uh precocious and I liked adults I. liked hearing adult conversations when I. was a kid I like people that were. sarcastic and rude and cynical and all. the things that became funny I like. people that were like smoke cigarettes. outside and like [ __ ] this and I was.

withdrawn to it I was drawn to it I. always thought that was kind of funny. like the guy at the dinner who would say. you know uh you know like I just. remember like hearing like when I was a. little kid like uh you know my mother's. friend was outside the house and like. I think she was like smoking a cigarette. and she was like oh she was talking to. somebody she's like total piece of [ __ ]. and I was like I want to do that for a. living like it was just funny there was. something funny and free yeah about uh.

the way people chose to look at the. world because there is so much horror. and there was so much sadness yes and. like you said I I'm not a communist so I. know you'll never alleviate all of it. yeah like all the utopians go we can. alleviate all that you want so the. reality is you do get to a point where. you go if you can look at and frame. things in a funny way yeah you're. talking about perspective yeah. perspective I I absolutely believe it's. funny we got here I would have been. really pissed if we didn't touch on this. exact thing yeah I think it's the whole. game I actually think you and I.

I mean that's crazy let me explain I. mean it could be true I actually think. this is why we have a nice kinship I. think Sam bankman free to me are the. same yeah fair enough but I'm telling. you I think this is why we have a little. bit of a kinship yes I think the way you. just frame that is exactly how I live my. life right which is you do it from a. framework of and so I touched on it. earlier of like hey it's heavy let's. decide to look at it like this and smile. about it a little bit and maybe think a.

little bit and it might lead to. something yes and I genuinely think the. same thing like literally everything I. believe in is like okay and now what. yeah everything is and now what should I. come out with a line of V French should. I have like racist Rhino where it's like. a rhino who's just like a product of his. time he's a product of his time he's not. he has no money it's just 1957 that's. not malicious it was 1957. he just. doesn't know what he doesn't know I mean. um do you tend to view the future of.

technology with all pot you have very. rose colored glasses which I think so. but I think I'm practical some dark. things come in with the tech right. there's you know I love when people are. like deck [ __ ] everything up I'm like. I was like do you remember Hitler like. like do you run imagine Hitler now yeah. what about him it'd be probably worse. would it or would it or would have he. not gotten that far globally great point. like I would argue that there's no shot. he got that far right because the.

information would have flowed too fast. what do you think about do you if if. Hitler yeah is on Twitter do you kick. him off. this is [ __ ] awesome it's crazy I. feel Hitler on Twitter you know like. it's a great film so if anyone wants to. make that I think I think the biggest. elephant in the room on that is does the. government want to regulate tech. companies or not because people asking. tech companies to make subjective calls. is [ __ ] impossible right it's hard.

it's very difficult I think that's a. very tough thing as a comic too I think. it's specifically hard. for. uh people that are you know. you know you know that engage in things. like satire sarcasm yeah I didn't engage. in like things that you know are tougher. to read on social media because you. don't hear my voice it's not a live show. you're not you know so your your irony.

all these things kind of can get lost. the lucky thing is that I actually. believe back to my rosy colored glasses. I do think that people understand intent. I would argue that what's really hurting. a lot of people who are very quick to. cancel is that they're completely tone. deaf to intent thus rendering it very. difficult to have it be palpable to. human beings right when you're just like. [ __ ] that person you're like it's so. [ __ ] clear that that person is.

tongue-in-cheeking this and so like. that's where people really struggle when. we take away intent and context from the. conversation that's why we're challenged. right now how much do you travel for. your job are you all over the place I. mean before covet all over the place. yeah we have offices in London and. Singapore and la and Mexico City have. you slowed down yes will you ever slow. down yeah okay yeah look I'm I'm simple. bro yeah I'm [ __ ] simple.

like I'm high energy and I'm pumped and. I'm excited and passionate but like. none of this [ __ ] [ __ ] matters right. like honestly right like like back to. the how this [ __ ] show started why. are you not upset because I don't think. I mean anything right people are [ __ ]. confused well you know what's important. your family yeah right right exactly. like [ __ ] like what the [ __ ] like the. reason people get upset is because they. think there's somebody and I tell people. like did you see what happened to prince. prince really [ __ ] culturally meant. something right poor guy passes yeah we.

[ __ ] are all hurt we give them 24. hours of flowers and then a week later. the world's spinning right. everyone's walking around getting. offended as if they mean something if. you're if you a guy like Trump right his. company's had some interesting things. yes what's your advice to the Trump. brand what does the Trump brand do right. now how do they turn it around. I don't you know that's so complicated. it is but because it's a guy to tell.

them. listen yes the opening question I ask. everybody is what would you like to. accomplish they want to uh keep having. money and get the feds off their back. I I think that ship has sailed you know. what I mean like that goes back like. every time somebody comes into this. office I'm like what would you like to. happen. yeah and I always tell them like good. marketing just speeds up everyone. finding out the truth about your product. right. back to when you said social media right. like everyone's like social media I'm. like social media exposes.

it speeds up the exposure of. interesting it doesn't change everyone's. like it's doing all this [ __ ] the. algorithm the algorithm is responding to. you they want to sell ads right they. want to [ __ ] sell ads right no. different than Seinfeld you know why. Seinfeld got paid a [ __ ] fortune by. NBC they sold [ __ ] ads right if. you're looking at cars all day long and. searching cars you're gonna see [ __ ]. cars in your content right like everyone.

like they love people love this people. love this idea of a Wizard of Oz Mark. Zuckerberg is not sitting at [ __ ]. home being like Oh Ricky Thompson the 16. year old I'm gonna send him some poison. now it's so [ __ ] delusional right all. right you know what you should start. talking more about that will land yes. instead of people blaming platforms why. don't we start having a more modern. conversation about parenting I Believe. by the way 100 I'm with you there let's. go my man let's team maybe we should go.

on a tour yes. and just [ __ ] talk about it but there. are good parents there's unlimited good. parents Jenner and the other one because. what they did this guy was they what's. what's her name uh Chris because what. they did Chris and Caitlin. um is they made their family a business. into a multi-billion dollar business. that's cheapened and destroyed uh and. hasted the demise of uh Earth that's. good and I think his parents that's good.

you know what's interesting. plastic surgery they look nice I've got. a hot take for you on that one yeah. counter-take yes it's insane how much. those siblings love each other I I how. about that how about curveballs all of. my siblings were billionaires do you. know how much I'd love them. do you have any idea how much I love. them if our love was commodified I'm. incredibly I'm incredibly impressed. about that family I've said she should. be the governor of California I think. she's a hard worker will you be a.

governor I think so I might run for. something yeah you're going to it might. you see it right you agree I wish I. should do it I can't be president so I'm. out. well you could help me I would help you. and we could figure out a way to do it. I'm telling you right now the other day. maybe I should run for something I'm. telling you right now if I don't win. it'd be a great no different than you. texted me and said hey social media's. dad do you want to do the show and boom. was I there you were here I [ __ ]. changed my plans got here today in nine.

years when you text me and be like yo I. want to be the governor of Kansas yeah I. will be right there. we have to start a cancer yeah I want. you in Kansas City I want you in Canada. that's horrible why because it's rough. out there but then you could kind of do. what you want no Kansas is awesome you. could kill Kansas is awesome you don't. think Kansas is awesome Kansas would. make me live in Austin. what do you think is going on with Miami. all right hold on I just gotta make sure. okay yeah go ahead Miami I like it down. there it's warm Coke Paradise the future. of crypto the crypto Hub What's it gonna.

be a lot of tech people my favorite. thing about Miami is that all my new all. my New York buddies who moved down there. yeah and claimed that they were going to. be their post covet are back are back. and I won a lot of side Bets with all of. them that's interesting they're delusion. that they were actually going to be. entertained. enough and stimulated enough to actually. live there full time was so funny to me. that they didn't understand that one day. kovid would be over and you actually.

would have New York back to New York. right and I I was fascinated by people's. delusion on that yeah Miami is a great. place to visit and that's Austin it's. all of them right. that [ __ ] they're great they're actually. listen Austin Miami these are great. cities but compared to [ __ ] New York. you can't it's like dog [ __ ] what do you. think of L.A you think it's a dump I. Don't Love L.A but but. I love I mean I like how again if let me. take a big step back every place besides. Boston because they have the Patriots is.

lovely okay. none of them are even in the [ __ ]. Stratosphere of New York City right so. none of them are yeah it really is it's. the greatest city in the world so I'm. always going to be new yorked out when I. say that but all these places are. awesome now are you a guy that before he. goes to bed every night House of card. style puts on a hoodie and just throws. someone in front of a train no just to. sleep at night just because it's do you. get off on that kind of energy do you. sleep easy. sometimes I sleep like a I literally am.

out like a light yeah don't wake up at. all occasionally once in a blue moon. needs to drink water never have to piss. straight eight hours seven hours yeah. out. no stress one last piece of advice. because by the way I do I want to thank. you for doing this I really appreciate. it happy to do it one last piece of. advice for all of the people right now. that have an idea that they really. believe in and it hasn't worked and it. hasn't worked out it hasn't worked. understand that one there's a couple. things one it might be timing you just.

might be too early or too late timing's. a real thing two you might not be good. at executing your idea and it might be a. good idea to bring a partner in to help. you do it okay right like like it's okay. 50 of something meaningful is a [ __ ]. load better than 100 of nothing right. and so I think humility is like a huge. huge factor in all this yeah and so if. it hasn't happened yet timing maybe you. need more patience or look yourself in.

the mirror and be like hey I'm good at. the idea but I can't [ __ ] make it. come true let me go find somebody that. can. Sam bankman free if you're listening I. want you to say that to yourself in the. mirror right now because me Gary Vander. took support you and love you and we. want you back we want you back as soon. as possible and to because it's a great. idea whatever it was the crypto exchange. and just come back we love you Gary. thank you thank you brother good. appreciate it thank you thank you thank. you thank you buddy I appreciate it was.

a blast okay good that was fun it's a. lot of great [ __ ].