The Acid Story with Curtis Yarvin | The Tim Dillon Show #310

um and i think you're you're gonna be uh. loud enough. uh how's my hair perfect you need a hair. and makeup girl you don't have one we. don't have one we can't afford that. uh-huh. you know. i've heard that [ __ ] before we're doing. we actually could but you know i mean. when you go over what you pay i know i. know it's too much i know i know and and. you just get used to when you're really. bootstrapping yeah you get used to not. [ __ ] wasting [ __ ] money that's the. whole thing and i i know so many people. who actually spend more money to feel.

more legitimate yeah oh yeah that's. called in the startup industry that's. called playing house um and it's. everyone including us does it with the. first money they get right um so and. they go let me feel let's feel more. legitimate yeah because we're spending. the money exactly all right let's get. this we're in we're in we're in we don't. tell you when we're in oh we don't we. just go in excellent actually yeah so. i can so i can tell my acid story i'd. love to hear it all right let's hear. curtis yarvin is with us google. brilliant that's a brilliant trick um. and um all right so um.

you know uh tim wanted me to uh humanize. myself a little bit yeah because with. drugs it's good to be human um and so. one of the best ways um you know to. humanize yourself besides wearing an. authentic shay shirt this is actually. made in cuba by the way it was given to. me by my friend sam frank who visited. that country so i love that i can't. prove it but i believe you it is. absolutely true amazing you can inspect. the label later but um. anyway so um um.

acid so i guess my acid story is from. 1997. do you remember where were you in. 1997 i was 12 but also starting to do my. first acid uh drop was 13. wow that's. very early so so i was i was um just to. set the stage um i was precocious in a. number of things and um i actually. skipped three grades before high school. i grew up as a foreign service brat and. when between when i was 10 and 11. um i was three grades ahead in the.

english school nicosia cyprus which was. a little british public school where we. wore uniforms and had houses just like. in harry potter i love that um and um um. should i look at the camera no okay okay. um. and um. then my parents as diplomats do move. back to washington. and i was sent to wilde lake high school. in columbia maryland um a distant suburb. of dc as a 12-year-old sophomore so um.

basically i've you know i've just so you. were a 12 year old a 12 year old. sophomore. in a public school. in maryland did the kids think that was. cool or did they hate you well i think. the thing is that would you know for. when that's an excellent question and i. think that basically. you know um that's in my head i'm like. which movie is exactly which movie is it. right and so you know when you look back. at that you you basically you know. if you're in that role kids and you know. i hope young people aren't watching this.

because we're about to talk about drugs. but um the um worse. and worse politics yeah yeah yeah that's. just the segue right you know um um you. know nobody really cares about acid but. you know what we'll get into after that. you know that's the real trip yeah it's. not dmt either right right you know but. um. in any case um it really depends on the. behavior of the kid and how he sort of. behaves in the context of the people. around him um if he's just like really. sweet and funny it's one kind of movie. but if he's a little arrogant [ __ ].

it's going to be the other and which one. were you it was the other okay. so so. yeah. in any case um. you know that led me going to college i. went to johns hopkins because that's. where they had um cty which now since. this summer will be known as the fire. festival of nerd camps but we won't get. into that catastrophe. when you when you're a young. uh person and you're going to learn and. you get like good test scores they do. like advanced you know you'll sit you'll.

do like algebra in like a week and a. half by sitting and doing algebra all. day for like six hours by yourself by. your [ __ ] self right so this is this. is like you know this is like. intellectual like [ __ ] boot camp uh. my daughter was supposed to go to it but. it got canceled two days before the. event this year thank you johns hopkins. anyway so i went to johns hopkins as a. freshman because it was there um you. know no respect to johns hopkins but um. it sucked so i transferred to brown so i. graduated from brown. in 92.

and then i went to grad school in. computer science at berkeley. and i lasted for about. a year and a half at berkeley before i. decided that. academia sucks even in computer science. and it's like elsewhere um it was just a. bad run of systems professors at. berkeley too so anyway i was like i've. got to drop out and like seek my fortune. in the new multimedia boom the. multimedia bubble of the early 90s which. cd-roms 500 channels like you know you.

experienced this as retro but for me. it was real right um and i lived it. right you know in any case basically i. got a job in that bubble. and um and then i also basically got. into the early internet so the early. internet in its capacity. which is amazing because you talk about. it was like decentralized it was a. decentralized social network it actually. worked it had no central government it. was not censored it [ __ ] worked it.

was called usenet. and you know let me you know we're gonna. get you know i know everyone wants to. get to the acid but let's talk about. using it for a second yeah please um so. um um. usenet was actually it was a. decentralized social network. that worked it was utterly amazing. it was like if reddit was decentralized. and had an ontology which means like an. actual map of its content rather than. like and it had like a democratic. governance structure it was republic it.

was not a dictatorship like right. and it was utterly amazing and here was. the problem with using it basically we. were on this thing nobody knew about it. i remember the first time i read about. the internet in the new york times it. was like seeing your cousin in the new. york times in 1988 and it was about a. worm that was on the internet it was. just like wow the new york times is. writing about the internet right so. usenet basically. the reason that usernet worked we all. thought was that because it was a.

decentralized social network and the. future. of humanity. that's what we all just naturally. assumed is that we were part. new we knew it right we didn't believe. it we knew it right it turned out that. actually what made usenet special was. that to get on to use that you had to be. a college student or work at a tech. company. interesting and so you didn't it was it. was it was um yes right it wasn't. everybody it wasn't everybody right it. was basically you know it had it had a. quality filter which was a human filter.

which was an elitist filter right you. know it's like if you go to a burning. man have you been a burning man i. haven't you haven't i haven't either. yeah you know someone i feel like i want. to go but i'm sober and i feel like. is that you know i i've always talked in. this uh. on the show about like missing something. in life and then not being able to go. back to it yeah like being able to be. like you know you know some very sick. adults wanted to like replicate summer. camp because they had never gone. and you go this is you look at it and. you go this is it it makes me feel.

physically ill i don't know if being a. sober guy at burning man. is a good thing or is it am i trying to. recapture something. i really i really you know i couldn't. tell you um i'm a widower my wife had. gone to burning man a couple of times i. never have my and my fiance is a burner. so. basically this gives me you know certain. you know we'll get back we'll get back. to that's the trip yeah i promise but. it's interesting to compare burning man.

as a community to use net as a community. because both of them have a sense. that in certain senses they're superior. to everything else in the world right. and in certain senses they are superior. to everything else in the world in other. senses like if you look at for example. the total fertility rate of burners. you're going to find a very low number. right and um and so you know or you know. that sort of a community that exists by. sort of almost that reproduces itself.

that lasts over time because burning man. is not super young that sort of. reproduces itself by intake rather than. by fertility right there's something. slightly imperfect about that and both. communities have a barrier to entry and. the barrier to entry so the barrier to. entry is what i was about to talk about. it's basically the barrier to entry you. know that sort of creates a filter you. know i was talking to. you know i'm going to protect his name. an intellectual uh you know who knows. the burning man organizers well uh and i. was asking him steve bannon i'm kidding.

no steve steven runs steve's runs never. uh you know but yeah you know steve. actually uh you know but um i'm sorry. you know but um the um. um um talking to the guy burning man. yeah talking to the guy burning man and. i'm like why does burning man have you. know if you go to burning man to me from. what i've heard of burning man not being. a burner not wanting to embarrass myself. but i think that what makes burning man. special is the feeling that everyone at. burning man has. that anyone you meet there will be like.

an old friend you haven't met yet right. and you know and that's an incredible. feeling in a community and that's an. attitude right that's an attitude that's. a that's an ethos. you know there's all this public ethos. that sort of comes with you know the 12. principles of burning man one of which. is is radical inclusion everyone is. welcome. is that similar would you say bohemian. grove is the same thing. you know yes bohemian grove has a much. more explicit barrier to entry anyway. i'm talking to this guy you know very. very very intelligent interesting.

individual and i'm basically like what. it what is it about burning man that. causes. you know this feeling of togetherness. right and you know he's like well you. know we don't use money you know there's. a number of principles of burning man. you know and i'm like you know well. basically my perspective is the reason. that this is the case is that pretty. much everyone at burning man is like. pretty much everyone else is at burning. man as a person moreover what. accomplishes this is a principle that. you might call radical exclusion which. is that it really sucks to get to.

burning man it's really hard to be at. burning man you're basically punishing. yourself you know this [ __ ] playa is. like hell right and you're punishing. yourself to get there it's hard to get a. ticket it's hard to find a camp it's. basically it is as you say essentially. the same thing as bohemian grove it's a. slightly different community actually. bohemian grove i was just hearing. someone who's uh. talking to someone who's i guess he's a. guest at bohemian grove because his. father is a member bohemian grove. basically actually started out as. literally bohemian originally it was.

like an artsy fartsy club very much like. burning man and that served a similar. you know kind of community people who. would have found bohemians who would. have found themselves very very welcome. and found like felt really completely. right at burning man. um. and so in both of these cases what's. creating. the um the feeling just this incredible. social feeling of togetherness. is like a policy an effective policy of. radical exclusion right and when this.

policy breaks down as it did in the. internet in the event that is known as. eternal september um it's called eternal. september because every year in. september a bunch of clueless newbies a. lot of internet slang like newbie was. invented on usenet um a lot of clueless. internet newbies who were freshmen would. descend and then aol. that sent the little disks in the mail. or. aol basically gave all aol users access. to usenet which was basically. sort of you know as if you let you know.

the entire. 25 million population of. lagos nigeria into brooklyn right right. and so. what happens to usenet after what. happens to use that is that it simply. becomes unusable without without being. an aristocracy without being elitist. without basically its passive filter. it's just unlivable and um you know what. what precedes its death and this is sort. of only a symptom in a way some people. think this caused it is basically it. started developing binaries news groups.

in which people used usenet to trade. like wares and so that got everyone's. you know like the result was that all. isps basically pulled usenet access. anyway it imploded and it died and it. was basically because it was essentially. a high trust network um and you know i. don't know if you know the work of. robert putnam uh you know he's a. sociology at harvard right so you know. he did this famous thing called bowling. alone in which he examined the decline. of high trust social networks. he follows it up with i forget the title.

of his it may have just been a paper. because this paper in which he found. that basically the more variety. it is and i'm using that word very. intentionally the more variety there is. in a community the lower trust it is and. so if you have like chinatown where it's. basically all chinese people right. there's a lot of trust you know um you. know and as soon as why is that looked. at today as something that's bad. because variety is a synonym for. diversity okay and. see when i always look at it i i grew up. in long island and one island long.

island and my grandparents were from. great neck so yeah. now and that's a great point right so. great neck you have persian restaurants. and a lot of sephardic jews that live. there and in other towns you would have. irish and italian people right and. nobody. there was of course long island was. racist and people made jokes and. whatever but there was no violence right. there was absolutely there were no riots. there's no persian on italian riots it's. like the italians don't take it up with. the persians none of that like the. buddhists. in sri lanka right you know yeah yeah. there was no like you know there was no.

west side story happening right so to me. i always go you have different groups of. people that choose to live within some. in-group preference right right and they. they can date other groups they why is. that. why is that a bad thing. i think it depends on whether in certain. cases um. you might sort of develop a function. where you say okay. if you examine the kind of.

conventional narrative that for example. everyone. at least pretends to believe on their. college application essays right sort of. a nice randomization because who is the. admissions officer we don't know right. but we're pretty sure of what they. believe right you'll notice that this. person basically that's feeling of. in-groupness what um the great arab. historian even called khaldoon called. asabiya the feeling of you know it's us. against the world there's this old. somali proverb actually a number of. countries claim it you know me me my.

country against the world me and my clan. um against my country me and my tribe. against i have that tattooed on my lower. back. all right i'm. and of course it ends with me against my. brother right you know right and and and. uh you know that's a little uh you know. that's a little somali but you know. that's like that's not exclusive to. somalia by many many countries claim. that that proverb in a way so what. you'll notice is for example imagine you.

were in a world you know let's take the. like. nascent. persian eye italian is that wrestler i. italian can i say no no italians we. abuse on this show constantly awesome. awesome also actually can i tell you a. joke relating to that absolutely um are. you familiar with the work of garibaldi. slightly like not you know i have been. intimidated and have you ever been to. italy i've never been yet which part. where in italy would you like to go if. you want i'd love to go to rome you'd. love to go to rome that's right well.

rome yeah rome is around the middle of. italy yeah so um you know garibaldi of. course uh you know um. well you know you probably that's i. can't really tell the joke if you don't. know the story of garibaldi but in case. you do okay in case you do um there's. something very that they say about. garibaldi and parts of italy um. but only parts of italy uh i think they. say it in rome um which is that. garibaldi didn't unify italy. he divided africa right.

so sure so i mean there's italians in. this town anyway anyway so so let's. let's take for example. let's take for example um. suppose you have two groups in a society. you have. um persians and i italians i don't know. any racial slurs for persians but i know. they're there. um do can we what about. what about doon [ __ ]. let's just say persian oh god. our friends persian.

[Laughter]. are we still on youtube yeah. thank you. uh you know yeah that's i mean right. frankly i'm not even sure that's. actually funny i'm not even sure that's. accurate but you know uh you know in any. case it's not usually what i think of. when it went right right you know um um. um the i mean rugs. more rugs than dunes i think okay but um. um the um let's not go there anyway. we've got persians and italians and um.

let's examine basically. one of the ways we can understand there. is a potential conflict between any two. groups within group status so you know. as the great german uh political. philosopher carl schmidt once said the. essential political distinction is that. between friend and enemy so to a persian. all persians are friends to an italian. all italian italians north or south our. friends okay now within the italian.

community it's like the proverb right. but you know the thing is when i. italians think about persians basically. they just you know you know they don't. they don't even think about them right. um you know actually i think it's the. other way right but you know in any case. basically so there's a couple of things. you can say about this first and. foremost basically. one of the questions you can ask about. the narrative. is does the narrative promote asabia. among persians. or i italians are i italians for example.

taught in the schools to think you know. all i italians must act together right. ever since the persian attacks in fact. on rome you may recall did you know that. there was a roman emperor that was. captured by the persians. and then you know i forget um later. roman empire he's captured by the. persians and he's basically used as a. footstool for the persian emperor to. mount his [ __ ] horse amazing amazing. and when he dies like his skin is.

stuffed with straw and preserved right. you don't didn't last to the this right. a lot a lot of things are going on but. you know but in any case you know so. this is what [ __ ] these [ __ ]. persians are right right you know and so. if you go over to the persians then you. know so you have all these stories and. there's sort of a group litigation it's. like the basically the italians have. this brief against valerian it was. valerian the italians have a grief thank. you jesus christ uh um um the italians. have a brief um against the persians.

right they've been victimized by the. persians since the days of valerian who. was just not treated like war crime. right look at that [ __ ] right you know. right a war crime right you know and the. thing is that's like typical. you know frankly that's typical persian. behavior right right you know whereas i. italians of course founded [ __ ]. civilization right you know and so then. you go over to the persian side and you. know do they have a brief against the. italians or does the narrative teach. them to be like you know we persians you. know came down from the hills in the. time of darius you know and like.

basically the italians have been calling. us names you know sort of all of this. stuff and like we never set out to. attack rome you know like yes valerian. himself or criminal right right you know. and so what's the narrative there. whereas basically. and the thing is from sort of. a kind of natural pattern of human. history the narrative there that you. would expect that's the narrative you. would expect right and if instead the. narrative among the persians is you know. the persians you know we've been.

committing wrongs for many years you. know we founded an empire who do you. think we conquered to find that empire. right who became our slaves again look. at what we did with the jews we did. something with the jews right right no. not good right you know that's in the. bible but it's true right you know and. you're basically like you know like we. persians ourselves. you know we're like modern germans. we have to be accountable for our. actions over the centuries it's like the. thing of two different movies you said. right right so the thing is basically. once you imagine one of these movies you. can imagine sort of the other movie and.

then your basic question is like. what you're looking at here sort of in. one case or another. is um. what the um. the great italian political scientist. daitona mosca um who's best accessed in. the machiavellians by james burnham a. book i've been promoting for like 10. years great um great have you read that. i've read that it's [ __ ] awesome the. first like you know like imagine this. like first chapter you're learning. boxing like right in your first chapter.

you're like i'm gonna take out muhammad. ali burnham is like i'm gonna take out. dante yeah right. it's an amazing book he's like i'm just. gonna [ __ ] deconstruct your ass dante. yeah right you know and and and amazing. [ __ ] books so mosca has this concept. of the political formula the political. formula is basically something that you. believe. whose practical effect on your behavior. is to cause you to support the. government is to support whatever is the. regime or the powers that yeah so.

basically we can assume that within this. narrative where basically. the i italians are all like super like. acibia like i italian pride and the. persians are like yeah we persians we. did it like you know i committed persian. crimes right or my ancestors committed. persian crimes right you know um and so. if you see basically i'm not gonna like. try to translate that into today because. you probably have an iq of over 90 out. there right you know but um um the you. know. both of those things for the communities.

in which they are believed will turn out. to be basically political formulas they. will turn out to be right things that. are believed that basically strength. they're also kind of pathologies yeah. they're also kind of pathologies right. so the thing is that basically you know. sort of the song this is a smart episode. folks if you can't handle it really you. know yeah we've done enough we do enough. dumb stuff here yeah. so basically you have these these these. memes these ideas that are political. formulas that basically strengthen the.

regime right whatever it is and so you. know sort of the essence of my like i'm. sorry we will get to the acid story no. that's fine no no it's okay. we're close we're close we're close to. the acid story okay so um um in any case. um. we're um these political formulas. um in have you heard of the marketplace. of ideas tim are we in that marketplace. right now are we selling [ __ ] in that. this is bizarre we're in the bazaar you.

know you're like the world we're so. [ __ ] this is not the cathedral it's. the best the bizarre. that's a good question hey you know uh. um uh let's get some hits on this. spotify the cathedral that's an. interesting question that is an. interesting thing okay let's let's let's. let's table that one down the road i. don't want to get that deep okay okay i. want to keep this shallow you know for. your i want to it bottom out at like 95. iq okay like matt damon like janitors at.

harvard. right you know. so anyway so um. you know in the marketplace of ideas we. entrust a lot of things to that. marketplace. we say for example. of. virology we say hey who should make. decisions about virology and our answer. is the virologist. right how how's that how's that working. out for you yeah right and so you know. the um you know the conclusion is that. basically you know those systems were.

put in place to basically take power out. of the hands of. politics and politicians that was the. early progressive movement under tr. woodrow wilson and the thing is when i. say take power out of the hands of. politics and politicians what i really. mean is take power out of the hands of. democracy right so basically we sort of. kept this form of government in name the. way britain is nominally like a monarchy. or something because it has this crown. kardashian you know um but um we moved.

it to. this marketplace these specialized. marketplaces of of ideas. in the world of experts. and we said you know what. this world of experts. is a marketplace of ideas. and this is a world in which ideas are. competing with each other and you know. people may be right they may be wrong. there's a lot of biases a lot of sellers. the things that are good and cheap and. efficient are going to beat the things.

that suck. we encompass every time we fly on an. airplane i've been on a lot of airplanes. recently we encompass that to a. marketplace of to an actual marketplace. sure the marketplace of ideas is. analogous to that it should work and the. truth will compete fiction and i think. truth overall in these marketplaces does. out compete fiction the problem is that. power also it competes weakness right. and so we have these ideas that are. basically empowering or self-empowering. that basically um. sort of you know.

like dominate these markets and become. basically there's totally unaccountable. and there's no power that can remove. them so for example you know one of the. things that so for example just for the. experts right yeah these experts. council on foreign relations are those. the experts those are definitely the. experts international monetary fund are. those the experts sure but here's. another example here's another example. basically. um you know peter dazzak and his friends. yes yes you may have covered that yeah.

well i've we haven't covered it but i. know what you're talking about yeah you. know what i'm talking about so the best. place to read about peter dazzak and his. his friends is in all places one of my. favorite magazines. um it's called um vanity fair and for. some reason vanity fair has done some. very good articles lately yes i'm not. sure what happened there maybe they took. some acid i don't know we'll get to the. acid soon um um but they did two really. excellent articles. about. the birth of kovid that were not. you know basically beholden to the.

virology industry and i think that. basically probably the previous industry. that it has done as much damage as the. virology industry to human health is. probably the tobacco industry right and. so basically when. you sort of look at what happened in. envirology it's sort of as good a case. against the american system as chernobyl. is against the russian system right the. difference is it killed about a thousand. times as many people right um. maybe ten thousand right a lot more and.

and and you know essentially what. happened here is you know there's a. funny way to tell the story about kovid. which is a kid remember i grew up i mean. you were one of the first people yeah on. the internet to say this is going to be. a problem yes yes i was saying i was i. was i started writing a piece in the. middle of january i actually started. investing in covet i bought like deep. out of the money puts wow it was insane. to be betting on kovid because you can't. become like pro coveted you start. talking your book that was really weird. yeah that really biased my coverage but. yeah um um i'll admit that yeah and and.

that's sort of in a way that's the same. effect as the effect that corrupts these. these systems so what happened in the. case of here's my narrative of kovid so. when i was a kid i was in the. commonwealth world and like cyprus and. it was very easy to get like british. books one very common form of british. books were these books by gerald durrell. brother of lawrence durrell uh hbo where. someone had the you know the darrells. and corfu had this beautiful you know. why not show that was basically made out. of his wonderful memoirs absolutely.

great to read when i was 12. and darrell. was a zoologist and he went around. collecting little fluffy animals from. like imperiled commonwealth countries in. which you know barbarians were at the. gates right it was just the crazy times. like the 50s and 60s. everything is falling apart right and. he's collecting beautiful fluffy animals. for his little zoo back in england and. he does well with us and he does well. with his books he found a zoo in jersey. uh not new jersey but jersey and um he. basically um you know creates this.

organization called the wildlife trust. which is dedicated to. you know getting rich old ladies to give. money to go and collect little fluffy. animals sounds like a win. um along comes this guy peter gazzak who. has some like [ __ ] degree from. somewhere but is really a science. administrator and he decides and he. becomes the administrator of the. wildlife trust and he decides that he. can start getting grants bigger grants. better grants by changing the mission of. the wildlife trust slightly to have it. go around instead of collect little. fluffy animals. collect viruses specifically bat.

coronaviruses so he turns the wildlife. trust into something called echo health. alliance. if you've heard um the name. which is an organization that basically. kind of gets massive grants and. redistributes them to scientists to. basically find and study bat. coronaviruses. um. and some of this work is done in china. this is not really a thing about chinese. science maybe it's something about how. like sloppy things are in china but like. there's a word um for like i'm going to.

butcher this this is this is a what uh. chinese word you were saying. it means. i speak mandarin oh awesome awesome my. daughter speaks mandarin. i was like i was like wow you just fixed. that yeah. mandarin awesome awesome awesome awesome. so so basically so this research into. bat coronaviruses is subtract. subcontracted uh you know which is to. like. biosafety level two you know research. for seeing like the docks of china right. you know.

[ __ ] han. right right you know it's not shanghai. right you know and and it's like what. would be the american equivalent of. wuhan um detroit detroit right right. okay we heard that you they were doing. the most important or any kind of. important virus research in detroit we. would be we would be asking more. questions right right right right so. this research. is basically subcontracted to detroit. now two things about this research one. is its justification is to quote predict. the emergence of you know novel. coronaviruses the cause of this research.

was the original outbreak of sars. right and in fact one of the people. involved in like virology governance is. a technical advisor to the steven. soderbergh film contagion which is well. worth watching um which is a from the. mid watts i think yes which is um. basically explicitly about a back. coronavirus yes so because this happened. basically bat coronaviruses are a. problem. and because it's a problem yeah so we're. getting. we're popping the stack now so so.

getting back to. this problem so okay back coronaviruses. are a problem therefore they're. important therefore you can get grants. to study them you don't have to rely on. little old ladies anymore instead of. collecting animals you're collecting bad. viruses which means you collect bats so. basically the same thing right right. you're getting all these grants to study. bad coronaviruses the more important. um your work is the more money it will. get makes sense we allocate money by. importance yes right the more dangerous. bat coronaviruses are the more money you.

will get now back coronaviruses are bad. viruses to operate in humans they have. to mutate. they have to be changed they have to be. mutate either naturally through passive. or they have or artificially. in the lab and we know that was going on. and we know that basically in the course. of like four days the like head. virologists of the world changed their. minds which they'd come into like this. looks like a lab leak too this doesn't. look like a lab like right there will. never be any accountability for these.

[ __ ] and and there's no power. that's gonna say hey science you're. [ __ ] and the way in which science is. [ __ ] is like this is a good example. case because basically here is this. problem. of like bat coronaviruses it's a real. problem. no one disputes that. it stars really emerged from animals it. was not a weird soviet experiment that. escaped right so it is possible for this. to be a threat because it is possible. for it to be a threat is a problem. therefore one can get grants to study.

this the worse a problem it seems to be. the more grants you're going to get so. you have basically a feedback loop in. the marketplace of ideas in which this. idea basically brings power to that. market. right so if you're basically a bat. coronavirus researcher and you're like. you know what what are we going to do if. we predict and outbreak. right like predicting i predict there. will be an earthquake in the bay area. okay let's build our houses a little bit. stronger right you know what what have. you actually done here like uh was any. of this research useful in solving the.

actual outbreak absolutely not the. profit motive in the marketplace of. ideas can corrupt right but it's not. specifically it's sort of when you think. of a profit motive that's not really the. way academics think they think of like. an empire building motive they think of. like my career is more successful if. this is a bigger problem yes you know. and so they basically play pokemon. with. coronaviruses and then they like mutate. their [ __ ] pokemon to make them as. dangerous as possible in like basically.

low-rent walmart tier. labs in detroit right and then they're. basically like and you know when you. step back the important thing is when. you when you pull the camera back and. you look at this behavior. okay this is absolutely kind of been. blaming china for this no but we're. letting china off day and we are a fan. of china on this show and we believe in. one china we don't even know what taiwan. is. so incredibly based incredibly but this. isn't a china problem this is a us. problem this is a problem with with the.

way we do [ __ ] and we basically said. we're going to take the experts you know. who's going to watch the watchdogs. ancient political question right and. they're like well why don't the experts. watch the watchdogs. excellent answer and then the question. is who watches the experts and they're. like well you know i guess they could. watch themselves right right and when. they watch themselves they do [ __ ] like. this which is every bit as dumb as like. what it was done in [ __ ] chernobyl. where they're like let's turn off the. backup backup backup safety system. that our reactor is safer for safety. systems that breakdown of covert was the.

best i've ever heard thank you i have. never heard it anywhere else thank you. and will i hear it anywhere else who the. [ __ ] knows. and that's the problem. because by the way you just did yeah in. a few minutes. in in the most succinct way i've ever. heard and i read and listen to stuff all. the time you literally broke down not. only the problem but what incubates the. problem and why the problem won't go. away yeah yeah yeah okay in fact there. these [ __ ] are getting even.

more funding that's like because they're. [ __ ]. because their [ __ ] is important like. funding is gonna be right i mean because. we're uh it's off the [ __ ] shots you. know. i mean the things they're gonna be. making now yeah yeah no no and just you. know there's more research for i mean. everything involved in this right and so. inevitably there's a little skepticism. around gain of function you know it's. like you don't want to call it that you. know but this is everywhere you know. it's like i have a you know friend who. um is um i'm gonna disguise his identity. he's a leading figure.

in a film in a field that is related to. physics okay and it's related enough. that he knows physics quite well and i. was talking about. um him talking about this problem with. him. and um. he was like um oh yeah you know why you. know in physics it's so bad. that there are entire workshops about. string theory. that aren't about string theory they. just have to actually pretend to be. about string theory because the string. theorists are in command of the funding.

because physics is funded by physics so. the thing is when that starts to happen. in like. the us occupation of afghanistan right. right you're basically just like the. idiots are in charge and doing idiotic. things and there is no accountability. for them anywhere in any possible way. shape or form right so let's get back to. the acid so um i think [ __ ]. deserve a break after that yes um anyway. so you're digesting it because that i. mean that by the way. and not even to just be you know overly.

complimentary but like it's amazing that. that that not only has that not been. talked about more. um broadly right but it hasn't been. put in a context that people can. understand well and and not only. understand. that that this is a huge problem but. that. it is it is by design and the design. continue itself perpetuates yes yeah. yeah thank you thank you well thank you. this is poverty this is everything right. yeah right this is poverty this is.

homelessness i was in san francisco. there are guys with like devil horns on. all fours. you were in door street you weren't in. doorstep where was i was in there. there was this was the piss. faralito eating a quesadilla and in the. mission and i'm watching all this stuff. go on and i love that city but it has. problems it has issues and i'm going and. i'm looking at that for 20 years and i'm. looking at these. compassion centers homeless centers. navigation systems navigate their. navigation and no one's in them and no. one cares no it's insane it has nothing.

to do with anything and it's run by the. homeless industrial complex that's right. you know like and like the chief. executive i'm not giving too much away. but like the chief like expert of the. san francisco homeless complex yeah. was actually my girlfriend 20 years ago. oh my god. oh my. you did it. yeah right so so you know and that. really informed me a lot about this kind. of mentality right yeah um. anyway like yeah it's it's it's sort of. everything um.

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east coast. vaguely racist right uh that's just what. i do i was in new york and i was hearing. you know. people talk the way my grandfather. talked and you know and i can kind of do. that but i also feel like i'm kind of. ripping off the sopranos or something. yeah i mean it feels kind of fake i have. a long island accent which i think is. it's in a weird way it's subtler it's. subtler it's kind of it has a little. hint of boston yeah new england. um so let's get to this get back to that. how much do we have here as long as you. want okay yeah okay okay okay.

anyway you know this is just a lead up. from my biography so i drop out of grad. school in 1994 um and i'm also. really have a social life again after. really not having a social life in high. school and college because i was like. totally the wrong [ __ ] age right but. i started grad school i mean it was a. crime to go on a date with you yeah it's. insane yeah that's true right that's. right i wasn't really thinking about. that but you know like it's one very. true it's wild right so so you know um. you know but as you see i'm a normal.

human being of course no but um um you. know yeah i know you're laughing deep. down inside me like never mind but. the um in any case i drop it to grad. school i'm like here's here's my plan. i'm going to drop out of grad school i'm. going to go succeed in the new cd-rom. and multimedia bubble. um and i'm gonna make uh what year is. this 1994. okay i'm gonna make a pile of. money i'm by the way gonna move my very. sophisticated girlfriend who is you know. seven years older than me and has issues.

uh who i met on the internet because we. were both little rock stars in this. little [ __ ] literary group and use. that on youtube [ __ ] yeah talk bizarre. if you're out there listening um [ __ ]. yeah you know i was on talk dot bizarre. and all dot peeves i have like juvenilia. all over these things right uh and and. and really quality people i used to like. on all dot peeves i used to flame. charlie stross the well-known science. fiction writer all the time he now hates. me um all these people hate me it's. really sad um it's crazy that the. people's idea view yeah is radically.

different. really from i i from what i find all. right or let's get this acid let's get. it out you can get this flattering [ __ ]. later yeah you know acid right so uh in. any case um. i drop out to work at this funky little. like hollywood associated company called. chaos tools we actually ever see the vr. film lawnmower man yeah lawnmower. maintenance that's when they made good. things oh that was [ __ ] amazing tools. did the graphics for low and more mana i. love it so i'm working at cashflow. people that i'm working on.

xaos chaos tools uh you know are also. known as chaos inc and um they did um. you know photoshop plug-ins and they. also like they needed like they. basically did this project that was like. way above their britches it was sort of. like in the end the thing that i did. that actually kind of worked later. um but that was that's my like future. career this was my present one it was. actually a [ __ ] show and a disaster and. like an insane experience so this in. 1997.

like this collapses like you know my. whole social group has collapsed in a. series of like insane infighting because. we're basically like you know i'm maybe. more. asocial than some of these other people. but they're all sort of doing this thing. where they're well outside high school. but they behave like high school kids. right uh you know and i thought i was. doing something different but i was. actually doing the same thing and. many such cases as our president has. said and um. the um. and you know this explodes my.

relationship with this troubled woman. explodes and basically all i have is a. job offer from a company in berkeley a. lease on an apartment and a company and. you know in berkeley and. some family back on the east coast. right so you know what do you do in a. situation like that so basically. my feeling was that the right thing to. do was to take a [ __ ] ton of acid and go. see the new john woo film i think that's. correct i think that was absolutely the. right thing to do in a way that was kind.

of the birth i mean and when i say like. like i'm you know i was reasonably. experienced dropping acid by myself as. one should be i mean when a full-grown. man don't don't try this when you're 13. but like you know. uh you can sit and like in the closet. you know for eight hours on acid yes. you're a man right you know um and. there's i mean it's not the only thing. can make you man it's just one of them. right you know so um it's a native. american ritual it's a native american. ritual exactly exactly exactly well i. didn't have any peyote and i couldn't uh. sit in this bookshop but uh smokehouse.

but um i could go see and see the new. john woo film which i knew nothing about. which was in fact if you're familiar. with the film um it's called um. it's with um nicholas cage and john. travolta yes it's called face off that's. right and you know it has this wonderful. signature move where he's like. i'm going to take his face. and and absolutely brilliant and um and. you know so to see this with no. expectations no spoilers no nothing on.

just like you know oh and it was also my. birthday. and and i forget that part um it was. 1997 so i was turning 24 and i was like. okay um. why not do this and um i was like wow. you know we were talking about this. earlier on the show or perhaps before. the show i'm not sure when you started. filming and. um you know. it really is an important part of a. certain kind of experience and you know. that experience should be as intense and. disturbing as possible yeah and and and.

for sure you know knowing that that ex. you know and now i'm going to describe. you know okay we're getting into the. difficult i guess we covered some. difficult political stuff earlier. uh you know we'll get to harder stuff. later maybe but let's go um you know so. but the next thing i did um which really. i think it. honestly i only lasted that's that this. company are the same are the same people. in silicon valley silicon i love that. you say silicone that's so like i know. it's so great silicon it's so great keep. saying no no no never change a friend of.

mine does that and it's like perfect. yeah. are they the same people. because. when i look at the ruling class i feel. like the people that are there if you. look at the campaign contributions from. google they're about 99 blue. right but we know the least about like. we know what motivates wall street guys. it's a lust for gargantuan sums of money. yes. what motivates these tech utopians are. they is gonna surprise you i'm gonna. surprise you it's a lust for gargantuan. sums of money wow um okay and so.

there you go. so so not to be too shocking here or. anything yeah right you know but um and. not that i mean is marin county. expensive i had no idea not now you know. and and and so you know i never actually. have really succeeded entirely in. silicon valley i'm sort of like semi. non-filled it was my next so i lasted. like nine months at this company i sort. of never quite clicked with them. socially i think i was just a little too. weird definitely the only one who ended. up with like weird politics very.

apolitical time though um but you know. they were they were great the 90s was. great they were they were very political. and then i then i worked at the then i. actually made some money in the dot com. bubble which became my like nest egg to. do this and same thing that i did later. but let's go back to the start of this. company um we're not going to talk about. uh so i arrive at this company and i. start there and i was like wow this is. an insane experience we're not going to. talk about acid anymore um this is just. mushrooms um we're also not going to.

talk about the time i smuggled mushrooms. back from japan. uh after 9 11 in a jar of miso we're not. going to talk about that that's amazing. um and um so yeah we're not going that's. like i think the statute of limitations. is bad but you know they will come for. you exactly they'll probably use that as. their excuse that'll be vanity fair's. next exactly. the man who drove america crazy right. with his you know anyway so um um the. music wasn't very good for them. you know in any case so um i have a bag.

of mushrooms and i find basically um you. know the coolest person like the hippest. hippie dude he's wearing like tie-dye. at there and i noticed that the uc. theater the repertory theater right. around the block from her office is. playing a film. that i wanted to see. and so. i suggested this guy um his name was. jimmy hi if you're right there jimmy um. he's like i want to go see why don't we. take some mushrooms which is perfect. kind of timing for mushrooms is shorter. yeah.

why don't we go take some mushrooms and. um. go see the film that's showing at the uc. and he's like what's the film i'm like. it's called das boot he's like what's it. about i'm like um it's like i don't know. footwear or something yeah i don't know. if i actually said that but. have you seen dust boat yes um uh have. you seen it on acid. not yet uh it has to be the dr you've. seen the director's cut right the three. hour version i've seen the really long. one the real yeah that's the director's. cut that's the director's cut you know. imagine like you're there right you're.

watching the movie in the theater like. big big big sound yeah big sound big. sound big screen big picture you're like. you know basically you know 500 feet. under the street of gibraltar and like. british destroyers are trying to like. crush you in an instant yeah by throwing. garbage cans of tnt right into the water. yeah for about 45 minutes living in that. and that acme explosion of a car right. right it's not i mean it's not really. claustrophobic well it is called. claustrophobic right you know but um um. yeah he was i think he was okay with me.

afterwards. the relationship never really became. warm you know. when when did you leave tech when did i. leave text. when were you just like i'm gone so. basically twice you've been writing. under mention small bugs i was writing. so i see. yeah let me like finish my like stupid. ass biography so um because i've told it. in the hopefully a non-boring way so. it's great so the um in any case so i. worked at this company um called it.

first had this cool name of unwired. planet. um which was that's a cool name right. love it unwired planet and we did. smartphones before the smartphone we. were doing smartphones in the 90s wow. smartphones in the [ __ ] 90s we had. this modified version of html called wml. some of you [ __ ] out here are sold. that you actually work with wml um we. shipped about a billion web browsers and. i was the browser guy i wrote the. rewrote the browser core so technically. about a billion units of my code were.

shipped for which we were paid nothing. at all and about like 30 000 people used. the thing actually and it was a terrible. [ __ ] user experience one time i was. actually actually tried to use it to get. directions yeah and like you know um. like 1999 i'm like trying to drive. somewhere and i'm like wow this is your. own cut you're using your own car i'm. using my own cut i tried to avoid using. it because it was just too embarrassing. i mean the thing is we didn't control. the end-to-end experience right like. this is how crazy it was at the firm in. berkeley um you know okay i named chaos. tools this is geoworks and um basically.

we did the japanese were the people that. had smartphones first and the japanese. you know these japanese hardware. companies we were working with had this. idea about. how. to build smartphone software which was. very simple which is that they would. design the experience and we would they. would send us screenshots and we would. write code that looked like the. screenshots you will notice that for. example windows is not developed this. way. [Music]. this was basically doing software in the. way a japanese hardware company thought.

you should do software right you know. software is one of the things the. japanese are notoriously worst at and um. and so you know this is a sort of very. painful experience kind of like you. wanna you know this is the future you. wanna do it but you're basically working. and it's just like completely [ __ ]. way um and then i moved to unwired. planet which was in the same industry. which was trying to solve. the same problem but they were like more. sophisticated and so they were building. like relationships and so they hired for. example this guy who is the former like.

secretary of the interior under carter. or some [ __ ] like that and they knew how. to schmooze and their basic principle. was like we're going to schmooze it up. with the carriers and basically get the. carriers to ask for this product and um. and tell them about the wonders of the. internet and um i don't want to descend. too deep into like business speak here. for sure um but um. you know. this company was run by one of these. types you find in silicon valley named. alain rossman and alain rossman i'd.

heard like really bad things about. elaine rossman from the geoworks people. because a lot of him then worked with. him at this att attempt to do mobile. phones in like 1991. early 90s which got like blown apart for. this guy anyway he was sort of one of. these like steve jobs wannabes and so. you know i sort of imagine him like. flanking the halls like um jeff goldblum. in um steve zazoo you know. right he was basically talked about as. if he was jeff goldblum and steve's the. sioux i forget it's the name yeah yeah. the uh underwater yeah yeah yeah yeah.

yeah there we go there was accident. underwater and the water um and and um. so anyway so you know i moved to his. company because they seem to actually be. getting [ __ ] done in like. you know europe and america and um you. know meet this guy never worked directly. for him or anywhere close but he looks. like a homeless chess player but anyway. he has lynn is very very nice in belgium. you know um anyway so we have this plan. of basically creating this alternate. world of like self the cell phone. internet and um i was lucky enough to be.

one of those you know there's sort of. three kinds of people in silicon valley. people who don't make any money there's. people who um. make money off [ __ ] that doesn't end up. working and then there's people who make. real money off of [ __ ] that works so. it's very lucky to be someone who made a. little bit of money off of [ __ ] that. doesn't work right anyway sort of the. the world conquering attitude of. phone.com which we changed our name to. which is sort of the cto was like. phone.com so we went to the dorkiest. name ever unwired planet much better i.

know i know but it was the day of the. portal and our cto was like browsing the. domain name registry he's like i can buy. phone.com for fifty thousand dollars you. should have just kept it and uh and and. does this and then we become phone.com. and then we go public as. iphone.com.com and there was a little. contest within the company yeah to. choose the stock symbol that we would go. public under yeah. and one of my friends don't tell me it's. a like a phone. like an actual phone no no no it's a.

four-letter symbol right. right right not a logo it's a stock. symbol right so a friend of mine was. talking my like office mate was talking. to me later he's like well you know i. was going to send in the suggestion that. for phone.com it should be phcm which. could be pronounced [ __ ] him. right and then he was like no that would. be unprofessional so we go public and of. course. not only is our stock symbol [ __ ] them. but we later merged with software.com. whose stock symbol was swcm oh. everybody's [ __ ] stuck [ __ ] them. exactly exactly exactly you said it.

right you know i thought you know you'd. never get it but you know the the um um. in any case basically needless to say if. you bought [ __ ] with the ipo. you know at its peak it became like a 10. 10 billion dollar company right if you. bought and held you know it became. worthless right so so you bought and you. sold when you sh you made a lot of you. made a lot of money and if you were. employed as a pre-ipo employee you're. going to stock you guys are not sure. this is the day of the classic stock. option so i basically wound up with i. think you know you know in terms of the.

problem was i sold the stock and then i. bought other technology companies. because i was convinced that the future. was happening the future was in fact. happening it wasn't happening quite yet. right right so you know if you bought. like webvan stock because you believe. that online grocery delivery was the. future which i did and it was yeah 20. years later you still got [ __ ] in the. ass right right so you know where they. explain other people got [ __ ] in. that's worse other people ended up with. actual like tax liabilities anyway the. bubble explodes i switch companies you. know then i'm like okay wow you know i.

had this plan when i dropped out of. school like that i was gonna do like. independent computer research science. research um i just met my wife at that. point um. and you know the company i was working. for which was like a japanese-owned. company that used to be remember the. palm pilot yes like they bought the code. for that it was it was a [ __ ] show um. and um. it was on its way down and everything. was on its way down and it was early to. you know 2002. um and i just met my wife and she were.

we didn't get married for eight years. but she was like go for it right so i. quit my job and i was like okay i'm. going to do the thing that i wanted to. do when i dropped out of grad school i'm. going to basically do. effectively an you know unsupervised phd. thesis in computer science and so that's. kind of what i spent from 2002. to 2013 i spent doing um. and. by. like 2011 or 2010. um i had two kids and was completely out.

of money um and. i'd also it was depending on the. kindness of my wife and my mother. neither of whom was rich my wife just. had a day job as a tech writer um and. they basically were like hey you know. you gotta actually fund this and make. this a thing or right get a [ __ ] job. because basically like heroes for the. last 10 years as a parent with kids. basically. no. income to speak of no savings and what. am i doing i'm doing these insane. [ __ ] projects one of them is just. this weird ass.

blog right you know right and the other. was unqualified reservations unqualified. reservations right um which someone has. you know extracted from blogspot and um. which would have banned it long ago and. and put it up on. unqualifiedreservations.org by the way. my current blog is the greatest. that's gray within a the american way. and um and and the um. and you're writing this as a hobby yeah. i'm writing it as a you know it was a. hobby it's not there's nobody's blogging.

as a profession in [ __ ] 2010 right. right so you know by 23 not even in 2013. right right so by 2013 basically like. you know you notice the readership. growing yeah the readership has. definitely grown right right now there. was definitely a real readership i was. definitely like a nano celebrity in a. way i was already used to being a nano. celebrity on the internet i was in in a. celebrity when i was 19 on the internet. but it was a much smaller like internet. it was just and it was not it was used. in that and it was not for landing it. was just in this it was for shaming that. writer and it was it was just in this. weird-ass literary world you know um and.

uh which is actually like a lot of that. early using this stuff became. foundational and became sort of part of. core internet culture right like through. like a lot of it went to like something. awful right right you know um in any. case um. you know so um i basically stopped. blogging in 2013 because i had to turn. this thing into a company. um it's called orbit um this is it still. exists it's out there please don't look. into it uh it's not cool at all um and. um i mean that it's also too complicated.

to use um and remember our talk about. barriers earlier yes um you do if you. have an iq of over you know 110 if you. don't never mind it doesn't matter right. um you know let's get some jokes drugs. drug humor right in any case um so um so. i started this thing and then um you. know of course because i have this. interesting like checkered. reputation um the association of my. checkered reputation and having this. like cool.

insane because basically what i was. doing for those 11 years was i was. saying. okay. here's how we normally build computing. systems. this way that we do it comes is very. accidental and came out of history and. if you have literally if you're wearing. an apple watch it works the way it does. because it's basically. a. structural copy. of an ibm mini computer from or not. digital for a mini computer from like.

1975. and because that's the way. computers worked in 1975 certain. decisions have been taken that can't be. untaken it's the way like evolution. can't design like a human with six arms. right you know right you just can't have. a mutation that does that and so you're. sort of locked into this one kind of way. of doing things and so what i was trying. to answer was the question of if you. rethought this from scratch like imagine. you get like a usb drive with like the. operating system from an alien spaceship. right and it's got it doesn't have.

anything that reminds you of like a you. know they didn't have a digital. equipment corporation that made a. machine called the vax in 1976 right so. you know how's it going to work it's. going to be sort of completely. structurally. different and so like my thing is so. different this was stupid actually but i. was like this is going to be so. different that zero means true and one. means false right that's actually just. mathematically more beautiful um you. know for stupid way reasons it causes. all kinds of stupid bugs but any case. this is still this is still a thing this. is still a thing in you know uh 2022.

you can look it up because it's too. complicated it's too complicated and you. want to understand it and it's not cool. okay so in any case in any case. basically so i basically quit um. you know i um ejected myself i have. actually no association with the project. at all um now i do have some urban real. estate but i have no stock in the. company i have no power and i'm not. involved i don't i'm not i can't even. tell you how to use this thing right. actually it's probably too complicated. for me founders farewell there you go.

um um um um ray right. was it amicable were you like on that oh. yeah i pushed myself out i was i was i. was always completely in control of the. company so um the um um the it was more. than amicable and i'm good friends with. the founder but again not very cool you. know what's cool is that picture there. that's a still from godard's contempt. yeah i was just about to say that's the. did you recreate no no no that's not me. that's that's bernardo you know yeah. that's so famous. i italian actor yeah it's actually an. italian uh that's actually the um that.

is the via um god when we see you and. enjoyed anonymity for a long time well. here's actually no actually i doxed. myself fairly early in the blog here's a. funny story about the way i doxed myself. um what are you laughing at like a. lunatic just the. it's just a look because you said you. like you like the anonymity he goes no i. doxed myself very early yeah it's just a. funny quick yeah yeah yeah that's that's. a villa by the author of kapoot. with two t's look that up um he designed.

this villa he was a fascist novelist um. he designed this great novelist he. designed this villa himself i just look. up uh caput with two t's villains um and. great having this guy i love real estate. yeah yeah this is amazing if i could. afford this if herbert takes over the. world oh my god no no no no. with a k k okay. with a k of course it's a k gotcha their. egg villa um look for the jesus. christian malaparte look up cruisio.

malaparte curzio malapateo god you're. just dominated by like ad searches right. you know every internet is [ __ ] there. it is. you know probably yeah yeah yeah yeah. that's the uh that that's the uh. stunningly that's the via mullah. stunningly beautiful and like this. modernist fashion. right there exactly exactly right as i. always say the art is the best part of. fascism and and the um um. especially in [ __ ] italy right you. can argue with that about germany it'll. leave this focus you know in any case um.

um. sometimes i'm sad are you ever sad oh. yeah. how sad. depressed uh. full of uh right well. i also feel that way. but sometimes i want to make it stop. and you know what i do. do you use. what i'll tell you okay just tell me. yeah i go to better help. it's. it's you call people.

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where were we so yeah so um i docked. yourself earlier yeah i docked myself. early on so in the way in which i doxed. myself is somebody read my blog this is. a funny story actually with no point to. it but you know i basically somebody. contacted me and was like hey the way. you posted about computer science is. like sufficient i you know to identify. you emails me um and i'm like ah [ __ ]. you know anyone can tell and then this. is like 2009 or whatever and you know.

in at the start of covid. i moved to a small town in um nevada you. know the nevada excuse me if you say. nevada in nevada you're gonna have. problems right um and it's like persians. and italians right you know and um i. just call the whole state vegas yeah. exactly so so so i moved to you know. kind of a northern suburb of vegas which. has a french i prefer to think of it by. the french name you know the actor who. was in the professional yeah john um um. your idea pardon no no no john john.

jean you know. oh yeah so exactly if you if you know. yeah yeah if you're a you know it's. something. it's like saying you're going to target. right you're going to the target in. climbing right you know and um anyway um. so i moved to reno. or remo and um and i've become friends. with this um guy. el. who also from you know same general. vague community rationalists or whatever.

in. and it turns out and i become very good. friends with them and then he's like you. know curtis did you know. that like in 2009. i was the one who sent that email and he. was like you know it was actually pretty. hard yeah to figure out who you were i'm. sure someone would have done it right. and so actually like operating out of. the closet has had a couple of different. effects it's had the effect of making. sure. that my like technical work like my. other. career.

um. in like complicated computer science. [ __ ] um will always sort of be like. basically in computer science in systems. at least you're trying to establish like. a standard and so having. this um sort of baggage around. your neck for example there's a linux. file system called ricer fs which is. very innovative interesting file system. and was really one of the leaders to. become the future of linux you've heard. of linux this is nerd thing you know and. um. the file system is like a nerd part of.

it like the liver the liver of the. operating system is the file system and. you can kind of swap them out which i. wish you could do with livers frankly. yes and um you can kind of swap them out. and rise rfs was the leading one and. then hans riser that like autistic. weirdo who developed and designed this. very innovative file system murdered his. wife right um and um the uh you know. let's get hans riser up here okay uh and. so you know i didn't murder my wife she. died of completely natural causes right. in the hospital yeah you know sorry.

thank you thank you thank you um. and you can go to my website and you. know read my poetry better uh you know. and um the um. in any case um you know that that. crippled you know his adoption is a. standard right you know on the other. hand it's basically like having this um. yeah exactly looks just like me hair's a. bit shorter you know um and same we did. it right same expression in his eyes. right yeah exactly you know and um um. the.

uh. technology that's right even though it's. actually genuinely brilliant technology. and hasn't committed any murders at all. hasn't committed any murders at all but. in any case basically but it's also like. not a sort of social network that like. people are on right and so you know in a. way however. so that's sort of a negative effect but. there's also kind of a positive effect. in that remember how we were talking. about burning man yes like the playa is. not the caribbean you know imagine if.

they held burning man in like you know. fort lauderdale right you know like it. would turn into like you know. freak nick right. right right and it would not be an. environment in which anyone you meet is. an old friend you've never met yet right. so. and and so you know operating out of the. shadows has kind of created operating. out of the shadows creates this barrier. to entry where you're like okay but. there's something funky and weird about. it's. the founder he didn't kill his wife. maybe he was cancelled in some way right.

do i dare to use this and the thing is. if you're a person who's answered that. question is yes bear in mind this is. like not something cool that you should. look into right okay and it's too. complicated for you to use it frankly. doesn't work very well you know i'm just. you know i'm not sure from what i hear. about the engineering since i left you. know. it's really it's just like you shouldn't. go there but the thing is basically like. like like um. you know having those barriers to entry. is a crucial part of like quality.

control now the problem is of course. it's sort of also like an immigrant to. growth like clubhouse is another good. example of that do you remember club i. was big on it yeah i was in the. clubhouse too right and then i was at. the club and then and then separate. quality it had an eternal september it. had a real problem. and uh it was very fun very well. technically because it was it was a. small group of people. that and it was very interesting because. they would bring on like people every. now and then like i was a comedian so. like i would just sit in these rooms and. listen to tech guys talk mark andreessen.

is on there like all the [ __ ] time. there would be a time to go this guy now. we need someone to be funny yeah and. then i'd be funny right and you and you. should have mark and you know go away. and then it all works do you want to see. like you should go and see if marc. andreessen will do your show because you. know yeah but then they there was like. they started doing like struggle. sessions right in the in the rooms and. then there was one room called. saudis and jews that got wild. that room got wild. every now and then have saudi have. treated you yeah yeah yeah yeah it gets.

us back to the persians in the italians. it's degenerated so rapidly right right. right and it just became this like toxic. [ __ ] jungle right and this is what's. happening in america yeah kind of in a. lot of ways in your estimation we have. because it's not a democracy it is more. of an oligarchy yeah and that that's. been proven but columbia review or. prince interview one of them i think. columbia did a study where they went by. any. rational standard measure here this is. not a democracy no it's not like barely. you know who are the people even matter. right you know but yeah it's it's like.

it's a [ __ ] show and it's basically like. you know these are sort of to the. corruption by like power that we talked. about in chronology and the sort of like. corruption by like low quality which. isn't really happening imagine if just. like there was like virology inflation. yeah so like anyone could call themself. a virologist right right you know or. like you could basically like harvard. like lowers the standards so you're. basically like you know harvard is. selling you know harvard virology phds. for 499. right right you know what. happens to the virology community then. and what do they start to believe right. well we just in my whole life all we've.

ever seen is political scandals and. disasters with absolutely no. accountability yeah and so. and it's like culminating. right. and here is here is sort of the like the. thing is normally when you say. let's take power you're like okay you. have um you know let's get back to like. political basically we get back to. political theory here we were having an. interesting conversation. yes it was too fun. and um you know. i want to get people back to like things.

that are hard to understand to drive the. stupid people away yes i want actually. your viewership to go down let's get. keep because let's get keep because. barriers to entry are really important. um in any case um. so to get keep a little. let's go. you basically. what you you know the sort of the first. conclusion to like jump to when you're. in um. sort of a problematic situation is. you're like okay. i'm in a problematic situation instead. of like trying to solve this it's like.

debugging is sort of the art for this. you know if you're if you're a coder and. you you fix bugs you have the mentality. that the bug will never defeat you if. you're beaten once by a bug it like. changes you like honestly as a man or a. woman or a person um and um. and and so you never let that happen. right and so you have to have like. you know in order to basically step back. to a place where you know that you are. right about everything you have to say.

let me start by assuming that i know. nothing and so i'm living in the year. 2022. and like stuff is a little weird. right like the narrative is weird and. maybe it's weird like in the same way. that like the narrative was weird and. like the soviet union and you're just. like can i really you know the soviet. union actually it's funny there was i. you know i'd love an english translation. of this if like you're a rich person out. there there was something called the. great soviet encyclopedia that was. basically produced in like the 1960s it.

was like soviet like wikipedia except it. was done by the you know right supreme. soviet right and so basically it was. like the soviet line on everything the. soviet line in literature the soviet. line on biology the soviet line on. history and so it would have an entry. first say the english civil war. which would be a soviet interpretation. of the english civil war it would have a. section on the revolutionary war the. american revolution that was a soviet. interpretation of the american. revolution and if you think there's only. one way to interpret the american.

revolution well. like when was that ever true right you. know and and there's just like the view. that like you smashed america yeah yeah. yeah yeah can you do it very quickly and. i can do it very quickly um in like 15. seconds the american revolution is the. vietnam war in the 18th century it's. essentially a civil war between two. british political factions by proxy and. that's why the sort of violent events in. it don't really seem to make sense in. the same way that you look at the. vietnam war and you're like how is this. not like world war ii right you know and.

that's the that's the that's the. american revolution um and a great way. to to um read about it is you just go to. google and you type in true history of. the american revolution. works fine um and um you'll actually get. a book that was written in 1903 just go. there um. so that's actually kind of cool see the. internet sometimes fulfills its promise. it has its perks like you know you know. when brynn and paige were like we're. gonna digitize all the books like right. before 1923 all the books that are free. they're like. they weren't thinking like what's the. average like political opinion before.

1923 where is it in the overton window. it's not even in the overton [ __ ]. building right right. right even relating it to the overton. window it was hard right um you know and. so in any case. when you see this like problematic. situation. what you want to do is to go back to. like where you know nothing and one way. to do that is to go way back in time. and look at basically the first person. who ever wrote coherently about. political science assuming that nobody.

knew anything is aristotle. and so. if you go back to aristotle's system of. political science first of all in the. same spirit as james burnham's the. machiavellians you don't actually need. to read the politics you should just. read the machiavellians. but um you know it certainly doesn't. hurt and aristotle points out that there. are basically three. forms of government. monarchy oligarchy and democracy. government of the one government of the. few government of the many when you're.

identifying an oligarchy or aristocracy. your question is always who matters who. is in the loop right there's actually. this great armando yanuchi film called. in the loop like there's this whole like. little mini genre of like how the. government actually works which is like. the british show yes minister uh in the. thick of it all of yanuchi's films are. actually kind of like realistic they're. like more realistic than right they're. not completely real but they're like. more realistic than like cnn right um. and so.

if you want to look at how things work. well the chronicles of narnia is more. realistic than c that may very well be. that has you know the the same initials. as well right you know and. the um. in any case um. so there's three kinds of government. there's monarchy oligarchy. and democracy the government of the one. the government of the few the government. of the many and when you look at the way. things work now it's essentially. an oligarchy of prestigious institutions.

one way to ask the question of like. who's in power like how does power. actually work not like what's written. you know. in this piece of paper. but like. who actually matters is to say. imagine. and you can you have to be able to say. this for any regime any kind of. government so imagine that you're like a. nazi from outer space remember that film. iron sky you're a nazi from outer space. and your goal is to like turn the world. nazi your goal is to get as much nazi.

power as possible so the question is and. you can you can take over a certain. number of people's brains you can like. attach a little like nazi unit to their. brain that turns them into like secret. nazis right so without revealing. themselves they try to kind of guide. everything in nazi directions right they. might be like you know. writing a story about epstein they might. kind of emphasize his semitic background. right you know and so they kind of try. and and sort of tilt reality and so and. i'm skipping you know ahead because the.

question is who would they take over who. the answer would be i'm not sure which. institution they would want more whether. it's harvard or the new york times right. i don't know it kind of doesn't matter. or it's hard to tell because they agree. with each other completely like harvard. the state department in the new york. times like you know they're like peas in. a pod they never fight with each other. this is just like that cathedral where. you have all these. you know supposedly independent. institutions that all agree with each. other they come to the same conclusion. conclusions and those why do they come.

to the same conclusion why do they let. me let me finish for a sec why did they. come to the same conclusions they come. to the same conclusions because those. conclusions act as political formulas. okay for exactly this system they cause. people to think basically. you know experts should be in charge and. we should give them a lot of money right. and so basically like nobody's in charge. of this right and the thing is when you. talk to people the more important they. get the more they will be like people. are locally in charge you have these. little emperors like the peter dazzacks.

of the world right but overall nobody's. in charge of this thing and that's what. makes it an oligarchy and one thing that. you've said that's very interesting is. an oligarchy tends to produce a very. uneven disjointed. uh strategy for governance yes because. nobody's in charge right you know and so. because nobody's in charge in just you. know like there's no accountability like. there's no organization that can be like. you know that's sort of superior to. peter dazak that can say besides taking. like a vote of congress that says this. guy will not get any more funding.

wherever if he doesn't get funding all. of his people will still keep getting. funded so there's no way to like cut off. that to amputate that right poisonous. arm right and so you know you have the. same critiques of society or or you. share some critiques with people. on the left like a chris hedges or sure. right absolutely absolutely it's very. easy to see like pieces of this system. and a lot of people see it very clearly. and it's your. liking like foreign policy like with. chris hedges i think there's like a very. similar take of this is like a. self-licking but his his take would be.

strengthened public institutions more. unionizing more yeah which is like. giving more money to peter dazak right. you know and so my take basically i. don't know as a foreign policy take is. just shut it all down right close all. the bases all the embassies you know. what right if you want to deal with the. government of france send an email if. it's really complicated maybe you can. zoom so it's unwinding the empire it's. unwinding the empire it's it's an. american like gorbachev and and so the. argument or the question is what happens. in that power vacuum is to russia and. china sure but let's let's you know.

let's well that's a pretty deep hole. okay hello to that hole sorry um and uh. it's a deep fun hole but let's pull back. to the basic like the basic political. theory yeah so what you're looking at. here is basically when you look at. democracy as a form of government. basically where power is actually. broadly spread across. the population and power in the sense. that the population is constantly sort. of making actual choices like any actual. power figure who's not symbolic.

like you know let's execute socrates. would be an example of like a democratic. right. right you know and so literally they. executed the greatest philosopher in. history based on an internet poll okay. that's democracy right so you know more. generally the equation of democracy and. politics is interesting this is. something you can find people uttering. the same rhetoric. in the um. early 20th century where they basically. condemn. you'll notice that in the english. political language as it stands the word.

politics has a negative connotation if. you're politicizing anything you're. going to politicize you as foreign. policy it's very bad but democracy has a. positive connection right right so what. gives right you know and it's like then. you're like basically you look around. the world and you notice you know weird. anomalous things like for example you. ever heard of north korea like do you. know the official name. what's the official name of north korea. i don't know the dprk it stands for the. democratic people's republic of korea so. that's one place. and three synonyms for democracy yes so.

basically what democratic means today is. just legitimate in some abstract sense. right and so you know basically that's. how like the european commission which. is basically about as accountable to. like the like voters of europe as like. kim jong-un is to like might right. right you know um um is basically. represents democratic democracy and like. civil society that's another euphemism. for oligarchy that you'll hear um you.

know. um um respected institutions how are. they respected you know it's like if you. go to wikipedia wikipedia has the policy. of reliable sources which are. prestigious institutions yeah and like. ostensibly that's sort of an objective. like thing in a way but if you go to. like the page for that and you know with. the question like what is a reliable. source uh basically what you'll find is. that a reliable source is a source yeah. that is reliable. um are these consolidations. are these consolidations of of power and.

influence among elites inevitable they. are inevitable in an oligarchy and so. basically they're sort of an inevitable. part of oligarchical governance what. happened so the way the way they evolved. which is sort of useful to know is that. basically if you look at the us this is. like short simple u.s political history. it's like quickly as i can give it so. basically in the 1890s the us is in. what's called the gilded age um. and. power in that age is sort of.

relatively decentralized and it's kind. of in the hands of. sort of corrupt politicians who are. easily bribed by like large companies. and it's the gilded age it's the robber. barons sort of all these stereotypes are. basically kind of true. um and government is basically. you know. the effect is like china like you'll. notice there's a lot of [ __ ] that was. built then they seem to have been able. to do things very very quickly uh they. also have something building 12 months.

empire [ __ ] state building is like. you know being built faster than like my. friends like vacation house like there's. like there's some right there's like. some kind of capacity in that in that. society that has vanished it's also like. very corrupt which no one thinks is a. good thing and like there's just it's. like [ __ ] in a lot of ways right and. the thing is that um. the. power is not in the hands of. the sort of most socially dominant. classes at the time power is not in the. hands of the smartest people the idea of.

a professor telling what the government. the government what to do would be like. having like a you know programmer tell. the government what to do would be like. what like why it would be insane it. would be insane right and and the thing. is but basically there's a kind of um a. sort of like a thermal inversion of. power whenever like the best and the. smartest people are not the people. running the show and so the old. intellectual classes sort of where this. movement starts in america at least in. britain it's the fabians in america it's. the mugwumps the literal.

liberal republicans people like charles. francis adams jr who's like one of my. favorite writers ever his brother henry. adams who wrote the education of henry. adams they're kind of doings of this. very aristocratic imagine if like you. know um um. you know david foster wallace was also a. kennedy right you know like that's like. the level of status that's right. [ __ ] have they were. total blue bloods yeah right you know. and very sophisticated and also the best. intellectuals of their time right right.

adams is the editor of the north. american review which is like the new. yorker of its time or rather the vanity. fair of its time and i'm sorry. and um. the um. and and um and so basically you have the. intellectual elites who are realizing. the power of like science and thought. who are like the head of this revolution. and then they look at the most important. function in the world government and. it's being run by these like corrupt.

like boss tweed [ __ ] and like. [ __ ] irishmen i mean italians you. know and yeah and and like people have. just like know class and civilization. right you know and who are stealing who. are in fact corrupt and who have no. vision whatsoever and are just like. letting [ __ ] happen and why did the. empire state be gilding you know um. you know get built in 12 months because. like you know some whop made a million. dollars on the permits right you know. and you're just like this is. unacceptable like this is not a way we. can live right and so basically.

that turns into this philosophy of like. contempt for politics and politicians. and the idea that this should be this. sort of cosmetic process and then real. policy should be made by experts and so. experts who are people who have. universities can't we can't build any. affordable housing so basically here's. here's like the biggest mistake in a way. that was made with this you know when. you go sort of very very far back. they're like okay democracy doesn't work.

democracy doesn't work because basically. the people will just have their votes. stolen by these like clowns the people. do not vote for philosopher kings they. do not like philosopher kings they vote. for like thieves and clowns it's like. imagine you know think about elections. and what about george w bush think about. elections in some you know america at. the time you got to remember america at. the time is a third world country it's a. rising third world country right and so. you're like basically you know let's. think about a random third world country. let's say paraguay do you know anything. about paraguay not at a time you think. the citizens of paraguay are entitled to.

you know are actually capable of like. devising the right policies for the. future of paraguay not at this time not. not at this time that is an excellent. answer not at this time you know and and. and and you know that leaves the. possibility okay that leaves open the. possibility that the citizens of. paraguay could be educated you know. their brains could be extended with. additional lobes you know they could. become like citizen philosophers like. the citizens of athens who executed.

socrates you know right i'm not saying. this couldn't work and you know one of. the things you see is that as systems. become smaller and more like democracy. at burning man it's not a democracy but. you could imagine it being democracy it. would still probably be [ __ ] right but. like you know currently it's some kind. of oligarchy or you know it's a complete. autocratic despotism yeah right you know. you could imagine it um as a democracy. and maybe that would not be [ __ ] right. but if you try to imagine. say. um let's make say since we mentioned it. detroit is going to be democracy yes and.

then the citizens of detroit will elect. a king of detroit who is actually has. absolute emperor of detroit who has. absolute power over detroit right you. know are they gonna like or that no even. better let's say direct democracy they. will decide the laws of detroit. themselves and they will execute people. by internet polls that like work if. you're only geo-located to detroit you. know right. yeah. you know i like you're just imagining an. insane. did anyone ever believe in democracy um.

so democracy basically you know if it's. funny if you go to the wikipedia page on. athenian democracy right there's an. interesting line from a modern scholar. yeah which is like you know it's. interesting that so many cultures have. tried to copy this system of government. and all we have. all the writing all the writing from its. own period was just like this was the. worst [ __ ] show ever devised right you. know and so even it's kind of this best. case scenario basically.

like what you're seeing is like it had a. really checkered reputation and it was. considered basically you know between. you know. until essentially the like 18th or maybe. even early 19th century. it's generally considered a slur it's. like saying fascism or communism right. it's basically democracy is like mob. rule and everyone knows that's bad and. so it was you know then right. in school when we were being told about. democracy they would they would always. say we are a republic right because we.

don't want mob right and yes and so and. that was what that reflects is basically. the original foundation of the. constitution which is basically the. constitution is a right-wing coup and. it's a right-wing coup because the. articles of confederation which are much. more democratic and much more rob ruley. mob ruling and much more jack ben as. they would have said in those days. because remember the [ __ ] french. revolution was [ __ ] going down that's. right right you know and it's a [ __ ]. [ __ ] show and like thomas jefferson is. over there basically being like the jane. fonda of the french revolution right you.

know and he's he's like oh yeah you know. we got to kill some aristocrats you know. the blood of the you know the the tree. of liberty right you know um you know. thomas payne is even worse thomas paine. basically goes over there and he's like. those americans who like went to china. and like hanging out with mao right you. know and um um you know um. he gets so into french politics he gets. himself a [ __ ] trouble right you know. and um so. the americans of who created the. constitution notice that you don't know. anything about the articles of. confederation period except that it. happened.

interesting and complete historical. blackout it's a complete you know any. names of the people involved events 13. years of american history right you know. like counting the like i mean the cons. it has continuity with the whole. revolution there's a congress during. that whole period right it's an utter. [ __ ] show and um states are like almost. going to war with each other. like rhode island basically has to. almost be convinced to join the. constitution by a [ __ ] blockade right. right you know um crazy ass [ __ ] right. you know and i mean crazy ass [ __ ] goes.

like american history before the. revolution is like that's a period of. like over 150 years you've never heard. of like lives. rebellion and [ __ ] like insane the. regulator war never heard of it right. you know insane historical blackout [ __ ]. just because. anyway i'm a public school kid literally. history started with lizzo yeah history. started with lizzo yeah so basically the. constitution you know um which they did. mention a couple of times you know as. like it was you know written but printed. by god you know as they say in utah and.

um the constitution is a right-wing coup. right that basically intends to install. this like dual very silicon valley. structure it's like you know um eric. schmidt. page. no no what it's actually installing is. basically a monarchy right with george. washington as the like figurative. monarch and alexander hamilton is like. the startup ceo dude who actually does. everything right right right and. alexander hamilton by the way was a. black man.

let's just go with let's don't don't. don't question don't no. stay off the [ __ ] internet don't go. stay on the [ __ ] internet alexander. hamilton was a black man okay he may not. have been a black man but how much do. you like your job alexander hamilton was. a black man is that what is that really. the going thing now. okay no it will be. alexander hamilton alexander hamilton. yeah yeah yeah an african-american. gentleman yes was the first king of. america okay and so you know basically. he is running the us government like a.

startup right completely in charge of it. he's like [ __ ] elon musk and. nominally he's the secretary of the. treasury jefferson is the secretary of. state he's just like this hamilton. [ __ ] is running everything right. what the [ __ ] right you know of course. he is because he's basically thomas. jefferson is a wonderful eccentric guy. just kind of a blow heart and like. hamilton actually knows how to get into. things yeah he's getting [ __ ] done right. and um so if you look basically at. american history it's again pulling the. camera away the [ __ ] back it's this.

constitution is this really cool design. because it basically has structures that. are designed to be stand-ins for sort of. all three forms originally it was. designed for the set for the house to be. very democratic which is why like the. mob power now of course the house has a. 98 percent incumbency you know race. right and security rules that were. basically appear to have been copied. from the most serene republic of venice. right and so it's this amazing bulwark. against democracy. um and it creates like the nancy. pelosi's of the world that you know make.

make um. you know uh the supreme soviet look like. the baltimore orioles but you know the. the um. in any case. um the original design is like you take. all three. forces in government the force of. democracy. the force of um absolute aristocracy. right senate the senate was supposed to. be right aristocratic and it was for a. while before like the 15th whatever and. whatever the gas amendment the. directional direct election of senators.

and um. the um. and then the presidency was the focus of. monarchy right and this the supreme. court was originally supposed to just be. like digital organ but again that's. another structure of oligarchy and. that's a very very low frequency. oligarchy right it has very slow. turnover. right and then the like power dynamic. between all of these institutions is. left entirely unspecified this is how. basically in a way it's sort of. hamiltonian government is like killed.

with marbury versus madison which you. probably read about in public school. where the supreme court is like no. actually i read the constitution and it. doesn't say this but they meant we're in. charge right you know and so. what's neat about this system and what. has made it like survive a lot of crises. that really probably should have killed. it. is that basically about every 75 or 80. years. you have a regime change in the united. states you have a replacement of like. the whole actual structural forces of.

government. under the same name which is a very. common thing in history um. and at least. go into this more and it leads to like a. different structure of forces so basic. and and it centers around a president. who is actually a monarch not in that. they call themselves king as you know. the roman emperor has never called this. valerian didn't call it ftr is an. example fdr is an example and who else. lincoln lincoln there you go so. basically what you have in all three.

cases is you have basically this startup. regime. and this startup regime in lincoln's. case one of the interesting things about. things about lincoln from a silicon. valley i'm just going to start saying. silicon valley you know sounds better it. sounds better right you know and it has. all these like salacious overtones yes. you know and and um you know one of. these silicon valley things is that you. look at the lincoln administration and. you notice that the lincoln. administration is run by this like. weirdo self-educated wild genius.

political talent abraham lincoln really. the first great american politician um. and some might say jackson some might. say van buren like lincoln is like a. combination of jackson and van buren. right you know and he's like a. machiavellian genius and he's also like. a genius orator and he really convinces. people to this day like think that. lincoln had like some kind of like. philosophy lincoln's philosophy was. whatever is good for abraham lincoln and. um you know and he was a master. politician. and basically um fdr's philosophy is.

also whatever is good for fdr i think. i want to think washington and hamilton. are like pure um but the thing is even. with this level of like you know i don't. really approve of lincoln and fdr i. don't approve of a lot of things that. went on in their regimes. um however. one notices a couple of things about. them one is that basically if you look. for example at the lincoln. administration you'll see that a lot of. it the government the linking controls. mainly focusing on the war effort is. controlled by these young 20-something.

guys. uh nicole and hay hey uh later becomes. the secretary of state and like the. mckinley administration and you're just. like ah-ha i see an organization run. absolutely from the top down by a pair. of guys in their 20s right where have i. [ __ ] seen this before right you know. facebook yeah. where have i [ __ ] seen this before. yeah and they win right you know. and um they win because they're awesome. and then you basically see that these. regimes are created as this minor these. monarchical structures then kind of.

central power kind of decays and they. become oligarchies and it's like once. there were like wires going up to the. wheelhouse and the wires are cut why. does central power decay central bower. decays because. everything you know it's like that's. asking why do people die people all die. for a different reason they die in. different ways let's get forward to the. fdr regime so the fdr regime is this. quintessence of this like university. driven revolution because they were. there for universities for 100 years ago. for the [ __ ] for the [ __ ] upper. class they're from you know for like a.

500 families like the people that. actually matter in this country like and. um. the you know this is a revolution of the. university class fdr himself personally. like lincoln i guess is not really a. manager fdr is actually in some ways a. lot like trump he's a very vain person. he's quite intelligent he's like not. really into books he's like totally. dominates a rome when he comes into it. he's like the most charming person in. the world very shallow but there's a.

huge difference between fdr and trump. was which is that fdr is from a super. like one of the most aristocratic. american families roosevelt he's the. roosevelt's he has huge confidence and. he knows how to delegate because every. time trump tries to delegate he's like. can i trust this person right what if. he's trying to become bigger than me you. know what if steve bannon is trying to. exceed me and like right he's like the. worst [ __ ] you know anyway i don't. say i want to say i hate being saying. bad things about people even if they're. donald trump right um you know i think. donald trump would make an excellent. chairman of the board and that is the.

right job for him he should be promoted. it's a promotion it's a more important. job being chairman of the board than. being ceo and so donald if you're. listening you know stay off of orbit but. um also oh he's going on earth. he's on his way to urban stay off of our. bit and start thinking of yourself as. like the like ceo emeritus and you've. made it so anyway yeah so getting back. to fdr and like this is sort of the. birth of what we call the deep state. right originally a turkish word i think. first popular i was by my friend steve.

saylor and um peter dale scott had deep. politics yeah yeah yeah yeah it's close. it's the same basic thing yeah right you. know um you know scott was very familiar. with like the sort of you know. foreign like the eight industrial. complex. you know which my father worked for you. know and the whole foreign policy. insanity. yeah the whole apparatus you know that's. just one arm of this deep state that was. created by trusting the experts right. you know nobody even knows what it's. [ __ ] for anymore right right nobody. even knows what it's [ __ ] for and um.

people just like make up reasons like we. got to predict all the viruses right you. know that is the level of like top level. geostrategic thinking and u.s foreign. policy is at the level of let's collect. all the viruses right um you know but. going back to sort of the the you know. the birth of this system like. there's a couple of things that i say to. describe like the new deal. and the new deal era um one is i was. particularly struck by. a book in theodore white's making the.

president in 1960 a very famous. political book in which he's talking to. one of the kennedy people or one of the. older people who's kind of involved in. like the new frontier and we when we. think about the new frontier we think. about the kennedy world and there's this. kind of edge of monarchy to like kennedy. world because this is a big family and. right you know roosevelt had kids as. well but they were just like incredibly. corrupt incompetent [ __ ] there was no. way to take them seriously as. politicians you know unlike say teddy. kennedy right maybe it was more serious. time as well but the thing is you see. all of these monarchical complex.

complexes developing. right and so you see that when you have. someone like fdr who i encourage like. all of my fans but especially the libs. to think of when they think of as. monarchy when you see someone like fdr. basically. like you know and you see that okay he's. not technically a hereditary monarch but. like the sort of attributes of. hereditary monarchy that are like. hereditary succession start forming as. they have formed for thousands of years.

throughout human history so like you. know you start to from this perspective. you start to lose your kind of temporal. exceptionalism you're like history isn't. ending at all and like government is. kind of the same thing it's always been. right right and and you know if. government is the same thing it's always. been it's easy to look at fdr's world. and see a couple of different things one. is remember i was talking there was a. guy like. t h white um t e white something will i. forget his name um author of making the. president making the president 1960 is.

um. um yes yeah um. he's talking to someone who remembers. the new deal era. and um. he's um. basically in the new frontier act and. when we think of like the new frontier. in camelot this is like the most. exciting time ever this is like my god. like being a frontiersman like yes you. know. like you know kennedy has robert frost. read it as inauguration biden has amanda. gorman right one of these things maybe.

not quite like the other right you know. like and so you have this like you know. excellence right. at the at the top and the sense of like. heredity sort of forming. and you're just like what is this how. what is this like kennedy cult of the. kennedys have to do with like. the american revolution right you know. and um and so you're seeing all these. things develop those things are way more. intense in the roosevelt era this guy. who remembers the new deal is like oh. yeah you know everything seems kind of. dull and drab in the new frontier to.

anyone who remembers the new deal that's. how like how much [ __ ] startup energy. then you had it's like working at google. in 2003. right basically you know here. is you know let's say you graduate from. harvard in like. 1936. versus 2016. if you graduate from. harvard in 1936 with a degree in this. new field of economics a field that has. basically been completely reinvented in. the last 20 years um you're like oh you. know i'm a harvard man i'm really smart.

and i know somebody who knows somebody. who knows tommy corcoran. or felix frankfurter or someone like. that and somebody calls somebody and i. get a phone call and they're like would. you like to come to dc yeah. yeah con you know concealing your. excitement you're like sure okay i'm not. doing anything else this time of year. and you come to and but what would i be. doing and um you know the voice on the. phone is like we don't know and it. doesn't matter come to dc right and you. come to dc and somebody puts you in an. office and is like okay.

your job is to go here's five million. dollars your job is to go electrify. arkansas like you know that's the medial. experience that's a [ __ ] startup. experience and you're like 21 right and. you're like okay and you get it [ __ ]. done in like nine months yeah right and. and like that is what created the. enormous faith in like the powers of the. us government that people had at that. time it actually the new deal actually. got [ __ ] done and um. ever driven on route one yeah project of. course imagine that happening now. imagine you know right it is the laugh.

right you know and so it's this. amazingly effective thing it's full of. the best people in society. um and it's like incredibly dynamic it. gives you incredible levels of like. personal responsibility at incredibly. young ages now imagine you graduate from. harvard in 2016 with a degree in. economics you're like okay i'm going to. apply for an unpaid internship on the. hill do they buy their interns i don't. know.

right you know. in any case you really should have. family that can help you out because you. got to spend thirteen hundred dollars. right on a room the size of a shoe box. and then you're on somebody's staff. you're answering letters from pork pie. iowa yeah and then you know like did. they ever write that you know even when. you after 20 years you're not even. writing legislation certainly the. senators like the you know the. congressman never write any legislation. they barely look at it they pass these. bills they haven't even read the staff. doesn't even write the legislation they. get they collect they edit the.

legislation they get lines from like. lobbyists and activists which are the. kind of two real sides of congress right. and you're just like this is like this. insane thing and like as a young person. there's just no like joy in it so as a. young person your mind naturally turns. after 75 or 80 years and by the way let. me finish explaining what happens at the. top so fdr is a not a brilliant manager. he's a brilliant collector of talents. he's like more like peter thiel than. elon musk right and so he basically.

collects these entire talents at the. head of these or this organization um. and does all these like completely. unethical things about world war ii i. always recommend nicholson baker's book. human smoke um it's sort of one of the. few. it sort of gives you the right mood of. world war ii which is not a marvel movie. um and um that's you know as much as i. want it is not a marvel movie right you. know and and and so. fdr in 44. realizes that he's dying anyone who's in.

the node knows he's dying remember the. [ __ ] people out there are so. brainwashed by the cathedral of that. time they don't even know he's paralyzed. interesting they don't even know that's. right they don't even know he's [ __ ]. paralyzed they don't know he's had like. a private subway station in new york for. like you know it's like this is a level. at which like if you look at the. distance at the level how easy it is to. like contain the truth from the. perspective of the media yeah at that. time it's just like this right you know. it's amazing right you know it's.

orwellian like orwell worked for the bbc. right he knew this right you know and so. or um roosevelt in 44. he's dying he knows he's dying. everybody's in the no-nos he's dying the. public is informed that he's in the best. of health fit as a fiddle right and. anyone who looks at him can see he's. dying and so his previous um you know. vice president has been henry wallace. now one thing to understand about the. 30s which was sometimes called the red. decade is that in the 30s everyone who. was cool was a communist yeah right okay. um just read a book by eugene lyons.

called the red decade and you'll see. that clearly communist or a communist. sympathizer my grandparents were. actually communists this is a. non-debatable historical fact right so. uh you know but basically the communists. are at this time they're selling like. one or two percent of the population if. you look at the people who voted for the. same guy henry wallace in 48 when he ran. on the progressive party ticket note. that word progressive yeah that's also. what my grandparents called themselves. in fact they were card-carrying. communists right um you've heard that. word somewhere else progressive right um. and uh its meaning has never changed.

it's just like most people who call. themselves progressives don't even know. the history of the word right they're. like those people in like new mexico who. still practice like the jewish rituals. you know but don't even know other jews. you know um and um but that's where you. know the like even cancellation that's a. that's a communist practice that comes. from an internal like like internal. you read a book called the romance of. american communism there are all these. like cancellation memoirs from like the. 50s right from inside the party um and.

so anyway. but fdr realizes that. he intends to found a regime he intends. to found. something that is his that will last for. many years. certainly into the 2020s. after him. and therefore. america must no longer be a monarchy. what must happen is that basically all. of these bright amazing people like the. best and the brightest right you know in. the 60s it's still kind of the best and. the brightest you can use that without.

like joking like nobody nobody would. describe like susan rice is the best and. the brightest right you know and um. she's not dumb right um um you know. actually her son is like a famous based. stanford person yeah um susan rice is. not dumb uh this is public. and susan rice is not dumb um for sure. she's not dumb she's not dumb but she's. not [ __ ] um dean atchison correct. john bolton is also not deniation you. know i read [ __ ] john bolton's book. and he's like basically he's like i am.

the second coming of dean atchison yeah. he's like you have the same muscles. and avoided wars yeah well you know. exactly i can say some things about the. united states sure but you know but i. mean john bolton loves uh yeah yeah. yeah yeah in any case basically like. these are pygmies right you know and and. so you know what you see is basically. fdr does this pharyonic thing. where as a successor and vice president. in 1944. he picks harry truman. and who the [ __ ] is harry truman.

harry truman is a nobody. so what and like he's a nobody of like. very limited intelligence very limited. he's not. really prominent he's a member of like. the pendergast boss faction he's not. even a progressive democrat he's not. even a new dealer right and so basically. by by picking someone who's not even a. new dealer which is a master stroke it. was fdr's finest stroke because he's. basically saying who is going to succeed. me the answer is a nobody right and it's.

immediately reminiscent of alexander the. great when he was dying i don't know if. this story is true story i've read it's. cool story he's dying and all of his. like henchmen he's like 30 or something. all of his henchmen are gathered around. him and they're like who shall inherit. the empire of alexander who shall be the. next you know who shall the kingdom go. to who should the empire go to and his. last two words are tokratos. which means to the strongest. ah.

and so you know almost these these. people almost like figurative like like. pull out their [ __ ] surroundings and. like the funeral right right you know. and so. but fdr is doing something slightly. different by saying power should go. to nobody he ensures that. harry truman does not have the gravitas. or power to actually command the deep. state that's right and so he basically. lets the deep state command him and give. him little teleprompter scripts to read. he's not like demented and he doesn't. start reading the directions on the.

teleprompter but he basically is like. inaugurates the era of the kind of. semi-figurehead president president and. power has a va you know since he didn't. and by the way. to eisenhower eisenhower's openly saying. yeah i don't really know what goes i. don't i don't really know what goes on. right and since then nixon does this. thing nixon does this thing where he's. like no i will really be the president. and try to regain commands of the. bureaucracy good luck this is the way. bolton and barr also think right bolton. and barr also have this thing of like. let's actually try to where are the.

grown-ups in the room we will actually. make the us government work no you won't. you [ __ ] you know and like go like. shave your mustache and retire right you. know and and so um that basically sort. of brings us to the like political. structure of today that's how we got to. the oligarchy we're in today if you pull. back from that story of like where the. deep state is the new deal. it's the personal regime. of fdr without and the new deal fdr the. new deal comes into play. all of the people the architects of the.

new deal become the heads of all these. institutions. all of these institutions are now. more powerful than harry truman great. foundation right it's a great foundation. you know like carnegie rockefeller ford. there's a whole philanthropic industrial. and all of these and they all have. exactly the same [ __ ] ideas and these. ideas are like dumber than a post and. smell like [ __ ] does this. does this structure work at all does it. work at all no it has to be completely. ripped out yeah and here is basically.

the problem is that it has to be. completely ripped out and the only sort. of form of government that can rip it. out is the same form of government that. the u.s goes through every 75 or 80. years which is the monarchy which is. basically and so is the worry because a. lot of people that say that read your. work and say it's very interesting but. they go the people that really also. seem to like it are people that. love or seem to flirt with the idea of. theocracy so so yeah so you know it's. funny you should use the word theocracy.

right tim you know because have you ever. seen signs on people's lawns that tell. you what to think. no no for sure like and and that's. another kind of theocracy and so yeah so. so so in a way it's like it's an. interesting point because in a sense. like. you conclude when looking at history. that sort of the libertarian kind of. freedom of speech world has never. exactly been a thing right and so your. question of how to sort of do something. like that is like basically what you.

have to realize is that most human. beings will sort of always believe what. they're taught to think right and. therefore control of what they're taught. to think is sort of always in the hands. of someone and it should be in the hands. of someone responsible who has no need. to tell anything but the truth who has. an incentive to tell the truth and. that's not that's not the religious. right and it's not the no. no no it's it's no one it's like. basically and here's the thing you know. you get into like this like culture war.

like [ __ ] like okay like and and i'm. just like i have less and less patience. i'm sorry i have less and less patience. for this [ __ ] yeah right you know and um. when we go back to like roman. history. you know. and. one of the things we see in again. pulling the camera away the [ __ ] back on. the history of the roman republic what. we see is that for like 400 years. there's something called the conflict of. the orders and at first it's patricians.

versus plebeians. later i'm going to butcher the latin. it's optimales versus populares it's. basically you know of tomates are the. aristocracy the blue state popularizer. the red state you know uh the populace. right you know and so even now you can. just you can just sort of discern right. and left and so in the late roman. republic basically this political. conflict degenerates into actual civil. war because these people had like. well they had like balls they had like. normal testosterone levels they like.

know how to like fight. each other and they were like normal. human beings they also didn't have. postmates they also did on postmates. right right. all the time also doordash uber right. you know life was a lot harder they were. harder yeah you know we can go into the. whole technology thing this is getting a. little long so maybe it may be in a. different episode yes um but um um i i. hope you're having fun no i'm i'm listen. this is fascinating. amazing stuff all right all right. really all right all right i'm gonna i'm. gonna run under the scene soon uh my.

caffeine is gonna wear off but uh let me. so so let me talk and your brain is. probably full um which i mean it's it's. it is full but it's it's it's really. this is really interesting stuff. and again the the i think yeah let me. let me let me finish let me finish with. a little bit of roman political okay and. let's we'll get off of political science. and we can have a little chill yes area. you know when we talk about sports or. something you know um and um you know.

because you're probably an islanders fan. are you an islanders fan. i don't care okay i mean i i've left. long island that's fine that's why i. have beverly hills i know i'm persian. now i'm different. arab the way the way. if you want to like get as i call it. like clear pill yeah the way to. basically get your head out of this. culture war [ __ ] is to take that. attitude toward the islanders and apply. it to the republicans and the democrats. that's right. it's incredibly refreshing and it will. leave a chunk of neurons in your head. that is the size of a [ __ ] baseball.

free to think about other things that's. right okay so um um you know and um. and there are many like i'm not even. saying don't think about political. science i'm saying take a break yeah. from thinking about political science. yeah and um you'll have that baseball. free and then maybe that baseball can. come back with like aristotle and james. burnham and stuff but just let it rest. right let it chill out let it become. like like like soft like kobe beef yes. okay so you know um um the um.

because it needs a [ __ ] break after. these last few years you know and and in. any case in rome you had um you know the. conflict of the orders. you know in like 1890 bc or whatever it. becomes. a civil war and it becomes a civil war. between these two tyrants. marius and sula who are kind of the. hitler and stalin. of the ancient roman world and they're. the hitler and the stalin of the ancient. roman world because they sort of they. are monarchs and they rule as monarchs.

as effectively kings but even when they. become. de facto and they never claim the title. of king the caesars never did right and. rex which means king is never used you. know by you know the emperor's imperator. just means commander. in any case both of these cats um. you know. are um. they're leading a faction in the civil. war and when their faction wins and. dominates all of rome they basically. govern from one side so when you're. talking about like the religious right.

you know or the woke left and you're. imaginating imagining a dictator who. really believes all of these things with. like the power of the religious right. and the woke left the religious right. you know as michael anton calls it the. red caesar comes to power. you know and he's basically like um. band's birth control and then i awoke. left you know comes to power. and basically he makes everyone get it. men take birth control makes men take. exactly right makes men take birth.

control yes [ __ ] genius comedic line. uh you know and uh. makes men take birth control and you're. just like no right and so you know what. each of these individuals specifically. in do is when they come to power they do. this thing that's called proscription. that's like prescription like your. adorable prescription but with an o and. what proscription means is that. basically you take your prominent. enemies you kill them and you give them. money to your friends so imagine if like. donald trump is like now we're going to. execute steve bannon and like we're.

going to give the money. you know we're going to execute sorry. george soros and we're gonna give the. money to like steve bannon and his. friends right right and then you know um. then barack obama you know after being. like chased through the swamps the. stories of these individuals are. incredible barack obama takes power and. he's like now we're going to take all of. peter thiel's money and give it to you. and we're going to give it to the. underprivileged right you know and also. to george soros right you know. um and also the under privilege but as. well like. right you know and um you know of course.

by far i'm sure you know this by far. most billionaires and especially old. money is blue um and and the um but it's. [ __ ] not all of them not all of it. yeah but most of it right you know and. in the the size of like you know. progressive philanthropy as compared to. the size of conservative philanthropy is. like comparing a burger king to in and. out burger right um and but i also think. the definition of blue has changed. because if you look at the military. industrial complex some of those people. are they're identifying as blue but yeah.

even though the blue is seeping yeah. it's no longer hillary clinton. she doesn't feel blue to me i mean i. know she's blue yeah it depends it's no. longer the age of general jackie ripper. that's true right right you know um and. so in any case basically like these. civil wars are like a very bloody time. right and so you know you have this. reaction to these civil wars like sula. wins in the end and he's like i am sula. i will restore the republic but he can't. really restore the republic because the. republic at a certain level you know. it's like paraguay right not at this.

time. not at this time. you know the only question is sort of. who's basically going to rule and i have. two stories about that one is um. caesar and augustus the caesars. basically sort of find this kind of. different pattern. which works they're not red or blue. they're this is the most unoriginal. metaphor ever they're purple and they're. purple not in that they're centrists. that they want to diffuse power between.

both of these groups oh no they're. monarchs right but they're purple. monarchs they're not there is no red. caesar red caesar is marius blue caesar. is zula right but caesar is purple. caesar which is also of course the color. of empire right um as well as you know. traditionally associated with. homosexuality many of these emperors. were gay right and in fact what's called. this other theory that's what's called. the five good emperors yeah it was. actually this like sort of little in gay. ring that was going on um and we need a.

gay we need a gay seizure to kill right. i'm like some say we need a reds in fact. yeah tim i'm not yeah anyway um um you. know some say we need a red caesar some. say we need a blue caesar yeah it's. possible that following the example yeah. of you know is antonina's what we really. need is a gay caesar but um the um but. also hitler was gay but um yeah i don't. want to go down that rabbit hole but. hillary's okay but um um in any case um. sort of. disappoints so many of his fans.

well i know i know i i actually had this. argument on a podcast with like a real. white nationalist podcaster and you know. uh like some people were very mad about. this gay hillary thing uh you know i. think it's very clean libs could be mad. about it too sure i think it's very. clear yeah you know um and you know if a. major leader is not surrounded by like. woman that he's like banging right. there's a reason for that for sure what. is the most obvious reason for that what. about american recent american president. never mind uh you know in any case i. really don't want to go there but um you. know in any case um the uh.

so caesar here's his anecdote about. caesar caesar is is comes from the. popularis yeah he starts as he starts as. a red state politician imagine him as. like desantis also a military man right. um and he's basically like fights in the. civil wars. i'm not saying desantis is as cool as. caesar that's a ridiculous comparison of. course um you know but um the i mean. caesar is also a great literary man you. know right he writes the best prose of. his age um he [ __ ] right um you know.

like um a lot of amazing things about. caesar um but um. the most amazing thing in some ways. about caesar is what he does when he. wins the civil war right so there's this. incident after i forget the name of the. battle a battle in africa there's this. incident and the last senatorial force. in office is led by cato and cato is. like the bernie sanders of his time he's. like completely authentic everybody. respects cato everybody knows the cato.

spirit is the spirit of the old republic. but the thing is the old republic you. know it's like senator palpatine said. the old republic doesn't work anymore. right you know and it just doesn't you. know and i'm sorry but it doesn't and. that will be the subject of my next. story um it just doesn't and um so. caesar you know. defeats you know the last blue state. army he's sort of the red state army and. then he defeats cato and cato does this. thing bernie sanders would never do this. uh he commits harakiri he actually cuts. his belly open with a [ __ ] sword.

yeah right incredibly based right so you. have to respect cato but you know here's. the thing in cato's tent. which sees the captures is a big chest. full of letters from back home and the. thing is knowing about this prescription. thing. knowing about this prescription thing. you're like imagine you're like a rich. guy. in rome. you're not rich but imagine you were. rich you're in rome and you want to like.

protect you're like villa frankly you. got a pretty nice villa right you know. one thing that you might think of doing. is writing a letter to both sides yeah. and being like hey. you know my friend cato you know i love. your policies you know your faith in the. old republic is like you know and then. you would be like caesar you know your. new ways you know right you know and. then you know the problem is that. basically if kato's tent gets captured. right there's your letter right caesar's. like you know. right you know.

i'm not feeling too good about you right. now right and so caesar's guys you know. being very practical individuals are. like this is amazing. what do we do let's how do we you know. do we start with a do we start with z. like what do we do with these guys and. caesar being an imaginative strategic. visionary whose name would be. a synonym for the word king for um the. next uh 2000 years plus. um. is like oh here's what you do take this.

chest. put it on a bunch of um. logs of wood pour olive oil all over it. and set it on fire. and these guys are like what the [ __ ]. and caesar's like you don't [ __ ] get. it we [ __ ] won right we're all our. people now right and so you know sort of. caesar's like genius in saying that. basically he's the monarch of like all. the [ __ ] people. right it's like you know. and here's what happens and you know. caesar. you know if you do this like.

caesar could have taken a little more. care with his personal security okay so. if you're out there listening you know. you're probably the next american caesar. like you know. don't mess with that stuff all of my. audiences little caesars all you know. they're all literally eating a little. bit. right now you know you know so if you're. gonna do this like you know. you know just like be sensible you know. um um you know caesar was amazing but. his nephew octavian. who becomes augustus the next caesar.

also amazing basically follows caesar's. position the whole conflict of the. orders. red state versus blue state. it's never heard from again it. disappears. imagine an america. in which the red versus blue. like distinction doesn't matter neither. side you know most people when they vote. in elections today they have a single. reason for why they want to vote it's. like [ __ ] persians versus italians. the persians vote because they want to. defend themselves against the italians.

the italians vote because basically. they're like these persian [ __ ]. are going to do to us with what we did. to valerian. right beyond that nobody's like norman. rockwell nobody's like oh we need to. guide here are my ideas about nuclear. policy that like [ __ ] that that's all. gone it's just self-defense out there. and so if you can get to a point where. the self-defense is no longer needed you. should really be comfortable saying i'm. not gonna engage in this ridiculous. spectacle again that is the way the. romans felt after a few years of the. early roman empire the last roman empire.

that actually tried to hold la hold like. elections in the street. like where people like. caligula and it was a [ __ ] joke and. everybody knew it was a joke and nobody. tried it again thereafter and so you. know basically. you know that's sort of the way. that. politics. ends. the way that politics ends is basically. people are like this is just a system. the system of the conflict of the orders.

created caesar caesar couldn't come out. any other way than through the civil war. the next caesar will somehow come out of. the next president who's an fdr who's a. kennedy will somehow come out of an. american election that's the only way. you get to be president right right um. and they will just be like you know what. i just got elected president it says in. the constitution i just read the con i. read it i read on the bathroom i read a. couple times i had one of those long. difficult shits so i headed over again. it says that the president is a chief.

executive of the executive branch to my. mind that's pretty clear. it says the supreme court can write. opinions and congress can pass laws. and um it is the president's um you know. understanding that he's here to execute. the supreme law of the land um. i is president. of course but i as president will um. [Music]. treat the opinions and the laws passed. by congress. with as much respect as they deserve.

there's a great deal of expertise there. right i'll listen with great interest um. i am now. um so now i'm now sending the secret. service to the fed they're taking over. the fed we're going to fund an entirely. new government directly from the fed and. the power of the purse which is um and. is that constitutional yes it's. completely constitutional right in fact. you would describe this new monarchical. presidency as a constitutional. presidency and that's actually a. restoration of the real constitution to.

put the chief executive in charge of. all the guys at bohemian grove kill you. or yeah unless you have let's okay okay. let's go into that yeah let's go into. that first of all it's not the guys in. bohemian grove. it's more the guys at the new york times. yeah it's the guys at harvard it's the. guys all day at the bohemian grove yeah. those are like old rich people who don't. matter you know like they're not you. know but you see they got there maybe by. mattering at a certain level they're not. the nexus.

kennedy kennedy wanted to cover like a. monarch yeah kennedy kennedy and he kind. of did to some extent. but it's like the successors of like the. georgetown like world but so kenny they. take kennedy out in any case and yeah. sure nixon's remember i don't [ __ ]. know what happens with kennedy okay. let's say like i'm a kennedy agnostic. let's just guess he's taken out i'm a. kennedy agnostic in any case we have. this deep state so basically you have a. new president who comes in yeah this is. the now we got out of the past we spent.

a while talking about the past yeah. actually let me talk a little bit more. about the past okay um. um most people don't know the name of. pompey p-o-m-p-e-y uh pompey was called. pompey the great he was kind of a. proto-caesar in some ways the reason. they called him pompey the great is that. he solved the big problem the roman. which was a problem with pirates right. uh rome and basically his day was it was. like mexico with [ __ ] drug lords you. had these like private organizations. pirate armies pirate kingdoms whatever. and rome gets all of its like food from.

you know it's starting to get more and. more at least at the time of its food. from north africa it's got to get there. over the sea. right pirates can just rob that [ __ ] and. they do and it's becoming a problem and. the way that the republic deals with. pirates is just not [ __ ] working it's. like the way that like mexico deals with. drug lords whatever they're doing right. it's not working right you know um and. so. but rome basically has two forms of like. governance. it has.

the civilian republican way of doing. things which is basically like a lot of. people with names like biggest dick is. written letters to each other and it has. the military way of doing things right. and the military way of doing things has. like been like testing its ass against. the gauls. you know for the last like 50 years. right and it's just like ruthlessly. completely effective it basically is. like comparing tesla to the department. of energy right or you know maybe spacex. to the united launch alliance which is a.

good comparison because like the united. launch alliance is like private. companies too. but right they're not run like a startup. where spacex is and spacex is just like. we can do amazing [ __ ] for like 120th of. the money right you know 20 times faster. and so. the same thing happens and you know the. one of the key fun examples of this is. remember the obama healthcare signup. site yes where they were like they tried. to do with the dc way and they spent 500. million dollars or something and like. nothing worked and then they got a bunch. of people go and come in and do it the. silicon valley way and they like finish.

it in a month in like you know for like. you know 75 cents right you know it. wasn't that they all these people are. progressives right you know there's no. [ __ ] republicans on this team but. they're operating the silicon valley way. and the silicon valley way is a monarchy. all startups are monarchies all. companies are monarchies you know if you. drive a car it was built by a monarchy. if you watch a movie it was directed as. a monarchy if you go to a restaurant the. chef is a monarch right monarchs are. everywhere once you see monarchies are. everywhere once you see them because all.

effective organizations operate as a. monarchy and this was also true of the. roman military structure and so what. they do is they basically take this guy. pompey and at the time rome was such a. healthy place that to be a politician. you had to go and serve in the army so. pompey has political ambitions uh but. he's also a military guy. and um. this is like the destruction of rome in. the late imperial days the separation. between bureaucrats and military guys um. and in other words the state department. versus dod um and pompey basically.

they they take this guy pompey i'm not. really sure why they chose him. um i'm not an expert as you can tell i'm. like a generalist and i don't know why. they chose them the senate is like okay. we're gonna do this military way. we're going to say pompey. you have absolute command you have like. ceo level control of the whole [ __ ]. mediterranean. anything that involves the sea. you can do get rid of the [ __ ].

pirates right and pompey. is like. okay. and without any computers without any. internet without any telephones without. any typewriters without any guns with. any of this [ __ ] in three months he. builds a [ __ ] fleet and basically. clears the mediterranean of pirates. right and. [ __ ] in rome are just like. [ __ ] because what they've seen is that a. completely different way. of running a railroad. where it's way the [ __ ] better right.

than the one that they're all used to. that they're all invested in that's like. all basically the normal way of doing. everything so it's really about the. person right it's about the person and. the organization. when he when he looks at the uh when he. when he says let's burn the letters. they're all our people let's retire he. has to make the right call caesar had a. choice to be another marius he basically. was like no i'm going to be purple. because i'm going to basically govern. you know you said before a monarchy was.

some form of accountability yeah right. and so that vague that was that was. something that the romans never. developed and most systems never so the. accountable monarchy is something that. genuinely hasn't been done before and. he's in some way or is that your idea or. is your idea the monarchy monarchy or. the accountable monarchy my idea is like. anything but what we have now it's like. first of all you have to establish go. back to the basic thing oligarchy is. [ __ ] politics is [ __ ] which means. democracy is [ __ ] right you cannot.

basically if you like draw a quadrant of. like people who believe america's. democracy people who believe it should. be a democracy right i'm in the corner. of it's not and it shouldn't but hitler. would be worse than what we have hitler. would be worse right okay right the. thing is um you know the trains would. probably you know work a little better. but other things would be worse i don't. think they're transferring killers like. marius right hitler is like morris he's. basically governing from one side and so. hitler is the enemy of the german. intelligentsia which happens to include. the german german jews right and then. because he's a you know he's a [ __ ].

idiot he's like the jedi it would be. hard to have a trump who's very vain and. and and petty and vindictive. because trump would have been like give. me the letters yeah yeah trump would. have been like give me the letter. trump's not like let's burn the letters. trump is like give me the letter so much. trump doesn't even get the the point of. giving me the letters because trump. doesn't even win the war you know your. point is so correct about there is. efficiency to a centralized thing but. the person is the one person yeah so the. person so basically there are two there. are two risks in basically there's just.

like no alternatives it's still a. monarchy no no no no like compare. elizabeth the first to elizabeth ii you. can't right you know and elizabeth the. first is a real monarch elizabeth ii is. like a kardashian with a crown right. right so you know you basically um. if you basically are like okay how do. you get the next american monarch first. of all like. the only way that isn't totally [ __ ]. scary is like electing a constitutional. president and having this president. basically rebuild the executive branch.

from scratch right there was some recent. writing about this plan that some like. trump associates have right of like. maybe if we can like fire bureaucrats. it'll never work and i'll tell you why. both by the way my parents and my. stepfather all worked in like the deep. state for a total of like 80 years right. the reason why is that if you're used to. operating the in the private sector. you're used to an org chart which runs. from the top down so it's like in like. you know. like the platonic ideal of a big company.

that's run from the top down would be. any company run by elon musk and like. you know it doesn't matter what the. engine engineers fuel the engine. engineers it's like spacex think that. like you know um the rocket should use. they could think it should use hydrazine. elon thinks it should use methane. elon wins right it's a real [ __ ]. monarchy it operates from the top down. um. when something becomes a bureaucracy and. by the way government organizations can. operate this way the manhattan project.

ran the same [ __ ] way spacex right. right. government organization united launch. alliance works the same way as the. department of energy private company. right you know and so. when you're a bureaucracy. everyone's job is a process. when you go to work as like the most. junior employee of the state department. your job is not to get something done. your job is to go through a process. um you have a boss the reason you have a. boss is not that your boss has like a. higher level mission to accomplish oh no.

your boss is basically who you kept kick. exceptions up to if the process doesn't. handle something it has what we call in. computer science an exception your boss. has a decision to make. if it doesn't fit inside his process. which is broader he kicks it up. eventually it will land on the desk of. the president right who's making. decisions all day long but if you. replace the white house with a magic. eight ball. like no american would notice the. difference right right it's just like. you know i was rebuilding an executive.

branch right so what fdr did to solve. this problem fdr was already uh you know. the executive branch at his time was. much much smaller and much much more. elite and much much more somewhat top. down he went around it he created all. these alphabet soup agencies he created. new agencies and it took him a lot of. time to take over like the army and the. state department he had four terms. yeah right right you know well three you. know three in a little bit three right. um and um but he was going to rule for.

life right you know that's another thing. that you see with monarchs the only one. who actually retires is washington and. um you know the um do you think lincoln. would have been forever. who the [ __ ] perhaps um and uh there was. certainly no law barring him uh you know. and people passed that law after that. amendment yeah 25th or whatever after. fdr. uh kicks it right and um. so. basically. the idea that like oh what's wrong with. this organization is that it doesn't.

listen to the president. is sort of true enough but it doesn't. capture the sort of real need to like. completely restructure these. organizations if you look at for example. state the state department's 30 000. employees are some of the most elite. people in the world it's hard to get. those jobs uh you have to pass it's one. of the last you know one of the great. reforms that created the deep state was. like competitive examinations for like. government offices right that created. the meritocracy carter did away with. most of them in 1980.

and um the rest are sort of being done. away with now when people hear this and. say. uh when you say run like tesla company. it sounds what is the difference between. your ideal version of a monarchy and a. fascist state um the ideal the. difference between the ideal version of. the monarchy and the fascist state is. two things one is that fascism is again. like marius and sola fascism basically. is sort of an imperfect monarchy and. that it's sort of the victory of kind of. one faction in a civil war the fascists.

who sort of came to power whether. they're in italy spain germany or. whatever are sort of always coming to. power against the like mariuses. of their day right they're always you. know they're virulent and they're. fighting against like virulent. bolshevism that guys like and sort of. neither of those things exist today. which is sort of very very good like. people like compare oh there was street. violence in 2016 and also in like you. know 1932 i'm like in 1932 like five. people a day are getting stabbed to.

death in berlin right you know and like. the communists are giving as good as. they get right right you know it's just. crazy and so you have all of this at. that in that era you have all of this. kind of locked up potential for violence. in the society because full of people. have gone through world war [ __ ] one. right right you know these people just. like kill you as soon as look at you. after you've been in the treasures for. like a [ __ ] week you have no respect. for life is there part of yeah. is there a country where you see an. example of this a better example so a.

better you know singapore is a good. example of like you know singapore is a. multi-ethnic country right it has it. doesn't have persons and i italians but. it has asian it has indians and chinese. um and um you know basically. actually lee kuan yew comes to power you. know the the caesar of singapore comes. to power in a very similar way as. original caesar the ruling party of. singapore is still called the people's. action party it was like this like. violent anti-colonialist basically.

quasi-communist party and basically it. puts forth this guy lee kuan yew who. becomes like establishes like william. gibson famously called singapore. disneyland with the death penalty right. um you know i like the disneyland part. um you know there are definitely ways in. which. singapore could be like more fun but you. can certainly walk around in any part of. singapore at any time of day or night. try that in l.a you know and um. don't actually but. um the kids out there certainly don't.

try this at home don't try it. don't try it in san francisco either um. you know you might be able to get away. in it with it in channel right you know. and yeah um. the. in any case gotta do this callbacks do. you think that uh so. can i let me finish answering your. question for a second so that sense of. basically. like i'm carriage sort of all the libs. and even the cons out there like you. know conservatives kind of love fdr. right you know conservatives love the.

kennedys right don't think in terms of. hitler think about fdr in the kennedys. right that's your sort of first point. like basically and and and you know if. you have to choose. honestly if you have to choose between. a dictator who's on the side of the. aristocracy and a dictator who's on the. side of the middle classes. it's a really [ __ ] hard choice but i. as a born aristocrat i'm going to choose. the blue caesar just because. you know. when.

a populist movement becomes. anti-aristocratic. people are really right to notice that. like trump's voter base is the same as. hitler's voter base right you know. they're really correct to notice that. the wages. i like how we've we've oscillated yeah. i'm just making so many different people. no i love it yeah yeah yeah i'm not. trying to do this i'm sorry. it's just a fact right it doesn't mean. that trump is hitler right you know. hitler would [ __ ] laugh at trump. right you know all right and and the um.

um. you know um. so are you all in for desantis then. because he's yale. you know. florida's fun. he's so you know it has problems the. thing that's the thing that's nice about. the thing that i really love about trump. is that he breaks the frame i don't sort. of feel desantis like no santa's has no. interest in breaking the frame yeah and. i said that's right and and i can't get. a hot on for him you know i mean you. know and and so that's the sort of the. genius a lot of the guys that you advise. their campaigns or.

unofficially because i don't know what. you do but i am not i have no role i'm. not a player right okay so so so people. listen to you. sometimes sometimes uh you know um you. know the um um. but it really mostly just because i'm. funny you know. and what do you think a guy like peter. thiel's interested in politics is do you. think he's a is it from a business. perspective no absolutely not absolutely. not absolutely not absolutely not um you. know and and this is true of almost like.

there's no one who wants everyone's. interest whether you're george soros or. peter thiel is not from a mercenary. perspective right you know once you have. billions of dollars like another billion. or two who can't [ __ ] matter like you. know the only thing that you can buy. with your money at that level is power. and the only thing that you're. interested in using power for is to make. a world that you believe in those all of. these people are completely [ __ ]. sincere you know and um and it really. that's the scary that's the scary thing. that's right right you know and. basically they're all completely [ __ ].

sincere you know and and so you know. when you get to basically sort of. constructing your kind of new monarchy. the first question you've got three. questions. number one is this person. capable. you know which unfortunately in the case. of trump is a no again. he's just he's not he's underpromoted. it's like the opposite of like. parkinson's law or the peter principal. like he needs to prove he needs to. realize that he's a great american. donald if you're out here listening.

you're a great american. you should you should run in 2024 you. should win you should become the. chairman of the board and you should. hire a chief of staff you should be like. george washington right you should hire. a chief of staff who's like alexander. hamilton and basically do a lot of photo. ops play a lot of golf say a lot of. funny things on tv and on twitter um you. know obviously they'll give it back to. you. and um that's what you should do you. should be you don't try to be something. else don't try to be alexander hamilton.

don't assume that your [ __ ]. son-in-law as alexander [ __ ] hamilton. got elon musk. you know you really think elon musk. would be this guy he might like he could. you know you don't have to be an. american you know okay he's an. african-american you know but the thing. is that like you yes you don't my worry. about him is he seemed he loves the. limelight he's a little bit yeah he. loves alarms. he loves the limelight a little much. yeah you know basically okay get elon.

musk but 20 years younger you know get. the guy who's going to be elon musk that. nobody's heard of easy to find you could. probably ask elon musk and he tells you. when i was doing shows final question. when i was doing shows in palo alto i. was in san jose and i'm walking around. palo alto if i'm walking around with you. is it like. you could throw a stone and hit a. [ __ ] person who could do this [ __ ]. job yeah i could buy you know i couldn't. give you a list of 100 people i could. email you like 10 people and get a list. of 100 people who could do this but how.

when you are in those in those in the. old world your old tech. world yeah um. is it a friendly reception is it like uh. is it like a mystique is it like that's. crazy how how you know honestly one of. the things that i try to do as a writer. that i recommend to anyone who's in the. entertainment industry is to basically. not consume any content that's about. myself right that's a good idea i. actually have there was this like vanity. fair article on the new right uh i.

haven't read it right jeff bezos like. tweeted it i haven't read it right you. know and i'm not gonna read it sorry. james uh you know and and. like the uh like um um you know yeah. like so actually i kind of don't know. and i kind of don't care you know the. reason i started blogging back in 2007. was like this is what i believe i don't. care what other people believe this is. what i believe to be true i probably. made some mistakes um i think you know. i'm famous for being a little too like.

coveted crackdown happy i'm convinced. that this is because i was betting on. kovid um. and you know so i've made my errors you. know. over time that's one of them. um. but yeah the the like the approach of. just saying what i believe is just one. that i recommend to everyone but like. before even even like before you like. read my [ __ ] like you know just like. do that thing i i talked about with the. islanders yeah like basically stop being.

a sports fan right like it's like sports. fan politics yeah just like it's. pornography that's right it's [ __ ]. the pornography of power if you want. real you know if you want real sex give. up porn that's right start by giving up. porn yes completely serious about this. that's it and if you want real power. power that matters power that like you. know makes this country like what it. should be for like [ __ ] red state and. you know blue state and black and white. and green and purple and all [ __ ]. people in this country including even.

the [ __ ] zombies down on skid row if. you want to basically make this the. country that this should be for everyone. just like turn off your [ __ ] politics. turn off the culture war and basically. just start thinking about how the. [ __ ] government should work i got two. words for you before we get out of here. and you don't even have to respond but. in my head. after everything you've just said. i got to be honest with you i think we. could do a lot worse. caitlyn.

jenner. thank you very much thank you what subs. uh. subscribe that's gray with an a the. american way great mirror curtis jarvin. thank you so much we really appreciate. you coming home thank you brother huge. pleasure tim thank you buddy.