Epstein Docs & A Culture Of Slop | The Tim Dillon Show #476

- Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dillon show. It is our final show of the year. and what a year it has been. We are now, when we look on the Spotify charts number 19. or 20, it has been the biggest year in the show's history. And we thank you all for listening. and supporting us, and we do appreciate it. We do appreciate it, and we create, created quite a little stir last week with our critique.

of Turning Point USA. Again, not to be rude, just in observation. from a observer, that's my job, is to observe a l. and it just a little less dancing with the stars. Energy is all, that's all. fun holiday season this year. I mean, I'm, you know, I love my family. I'm not super close with my family.

I mean, let's just say the RiNo had a better holiday. season than I had. I mean, let's just, there, you know, there's still a closer family than mine. That doesn't mean that there's not a lot of love out there, and I still love everyone. And there's elements of my family I like. There's elements of the intelligence community. that are good. There's factions that are good, but it is good to be here. And we have a great interview later, coming up. with Ryan Grim from Drop Site News.

He talks about Jeffrey Epstein. Apparently this guy's a that guy was a paedophile, and all of these new revelations are coming out. One of the things I regret not asking Ryan about, because literally it slipped my mind, was this allegation from a limo driver. that supposedly Donald Trump got in his limo. and got on the phone and started talking about. abusing a woman with Jeffrey Epstein. And then the woman was found dead. and key for Oklahoma. And, and the problem with a lot of this stuff right now is.

that I, I don't have a way. to verify it, and like the Larry Nassar letter that Jeffrey Epstein wrote, Larry Nassar, the gymnast paedophile monster, is widely believed to be fake. There are things in the files that are fake, and there's what's called disin info where, because one thing's fake, it'll cast out on all kinds of things. The FBI is saying, the Epstein letter. to Larry Nassar was a fake.

So it's hard to know what is real and what is not. There's a lot of things that are very disturbing. and that are, you know, true. and like no one's disputing that. Right? A lot of the photographs are true. A lot of the people, the flight logs are true the amount. of times people have been on his plane. that are in his orbit. But this rape allegation, it's being reported on by media. And it was from a somebody.

who was driving Donald Trump's limo, and he submitted it in 2020. It's an unclassified intake report. Summarising information. provided to the FBI related. to Jeffrey Epstein's Lane Maxwell. According to the report, a caller relayed secondhand. accounts involving a woman who claims she was raped. by Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump in the late 1990s. The intake also notes. They include statements attributed to a limousine driver. who said he overheard Trump speaking,

was someone he referred to as Jeffrey, while riding in the back of a limo, allegedly making comments and about abusing girls. The report describes the caller accounting events from. around 1997 through 1999, including claims that the woman. and her daughters were introduced to wealthy individuals, taken to hotels and provided with money. The intake further states that the woman reported. what she said happened. She later died January, 2000. Her death was ruled a suicide, but according to the document, responding,

officers reportedly did not believe it was a. suicide at the scene. This is the document in the Epstein files. Again, I should have asked Ryan about it. I asked him about other things. I asked him about the Epstein, the Mark Epstein letter, whether that's true or not, to the FBI claiming. that his brother was about to name names, and he felt that Donald Trump signed off on his murder. Again, I'm not authenticating these documents. That's not what I'm doing. So, lot of disturbing stuff.

And what a way to end the year. Let's just take a minute. Let's take a beat. Let's think, let's marinate, let's you know, let's, you know, grab a tea kettle. Let's sit there. Let's curl up with a book. You know, you see all these beautiful families in, in the matching pyjamas, and I love that very pro family always have been. And they curl up in the comfy chair. Let's curl up in the comfy chair and get the hot cocoa. and reflect back on a pretty wild year.

This is where we are. This is the end of the year. You know, a lot of people thought. that the Trump administration was going to. be a, the most transparent administration. in history that was claimed, but they dragged their feet on releasing this stuff. They said it didn't exist. K Patel came out and said there was, you know, no operation is, there's no co-conspirators,

nothing's going on. And then after a revolt led. by people like Thomas Massey Roanna, who's a Democrat, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene ends up leaving Congress. This is a big deal. They don't want this out. This unlocks a lot more than, you know, a, you know, story about a creepy, wealthy,

well connected paedophile. This unlocks a lot of things about the people who rule us, how governments operate, the things you read about in the news. So this is a very big deal, and these documents are only starting to come out. and supposedly there's like a million more. documents that they found. It's like another million documents that could come out. So this is how we end the year. We end the year, you know, talking about rape claims.

and people getting shot in the head and limo drivers. and Bill Clinton in the pool, which is Laine Maxwell. This is how we end the year. for all acquaintance before. I mean, this is how we end the year. What a dispiriting. and demoralising way to end the year.

reading about the ruling class. and how they've been behaving. So it's just to reflect on that, the truth is, is coming out about a lot of people, and I think it will get worse. I don't know. That's not information I. have on any good authority. I just believe things like this tend to get worse.

And there's a reason that didn't, they didn't want these documents out. This is not, you know, this is not, you know, like, you know, and we're all clumsy. You know, the whole thing with Pam Bondy, she's a kook. and she's clumsy and she's bungled it. No, I think she was doing what she was supposed to do, which is, you know, keep it from the public. She's bungled it, she's so disorganised. Nah, I don't, I don't think that's what it is.

There was that whole incompetence theory. She's got a bunch of papers on her desk. and she doesn't know which ones are which. And you know, it, you know, the idea. that it was like a three Stooges sketch. and she couldn't figure out what, what file had the Epstein files in it. Wait a minute. No. I think it was chaos by design. A million more Epstein documents have been found. Justice Department says, and this is in the New York Times, democratic lawmakers.

who had criticised the Justice Department's release. of the material accused the Trump administration. of violating the law, mandating the release of the files. Now they want Bill Clinton to testify, but Trump came out. and defended Clinton the other day. He was like, I don't like all these photos. of Clinton out there. These people are, you know, they didn't do anything wrong. They're just in a bunch of photos and I don't like that. You know, I don't like that. So you do see.

there is a bipartisan consensus amongst. some people to keep this hush hush. And then there's a lot of people that want this stuff out in. the open, and it seems to be generational. A lot of the younger people. or people that you know, aren't implicated, don't seem to have a problem. with putting this stuff out there. But a lot of people are trying. to keep this stuff from public view,

and it's pretty obvious, you know, and they want Clinton to testify. Now, behind the scenes in the Democratic party of Hillary. and Bill and other people lobbying, going, you can't open this can of worms. This is gonna be a big problem. There's a lot of dirty deeds. There's a lot of dirty deeds that could come to light. with this stuff. It's human trafficking, it's paedophilia, it's.

arms trafficking, it's drug running, it's war profiteering. It's murder, it's assassination. It's Christmas. It's Christmas in America. That's what these documents are. The documents coming out. are everything I just said, intimidation.

And they're coming out a few days before the year ends. And we all have to, what is the year end montage. of this hell year? My father used to love a montage. He used to get, you know, misty-eyed over a montage. When you grew up. There were things, you know, that the television news networks would do a montage. of things that happened. Maybe it would include, you know, in memoriams. for celebrities who died, you know, maybe if it was a year.

where they had the Olympics, there'd be some of that. There'd be some things around the world. And in Long Island, we sat on our couch. and my father loved a montage. God did that guy love a montage. He loved a year-end montage. He hated when people talked over the montage. If my mother was trying to say anything to him. during the montage, he hated it. He loved a year end montage. The man could not get enough of a yearend montage.

Can you find, go to 1998. and see if you can find, I don't even know if they. where you would find this. Find a year-end montage from like a news network, N-B-C-C-B-S, whatever. I wanna show the people what, I mean, what are we gonna put in the montage this year? It's just people getting killed. Wildfires documents suggesting the president.

may have raped a woman and then had her shot in the head. What is going in the montage this year? You know, what is, sometimes it'd be like somebody winning an Academy Award. or, I mean, what are we gonna do? We could have, or what's gonna be in the montage? It's gonna be a, a bunch of kids in, in Gaza getting shot while they wait for grain. What's in the montage this year? Is this gonna warm everyone's heart? Are they even doing a montage like Russia, Ukraine,

this horrible thing that happened in Sydney, Australia? This is not exactly a great year for a to reflect. It started with the fires in Los Angeles, these crazy wildfires where I lost my house. and my wife and my children. They were all killed and they were killed brutally. And they were cooked. They were cooked in their home,

they were cooked. And I got my Rolls Royce. and I drove to the desert to start a new life. Nobody wants to have to do this, but I did. I did. I did because it was time. And you know, I do believe that things happen for a reason. I was at that eating a breakfast burrito the morning. The fire started. True. And literally, I watched this tiny little fire grow into.

this massive thing. So is this, this is a 1998 year in review. - Yeah. - Let's see what this is like here. Let's see if this is an actual, one of the things. I was talking about. - A new year. All of us at News four wish you. and those you love all the best for 1999. And as we leave you this evening, we take a look back at the year pass. - That's right. - As prepared by our talented editor. - Yes, - Andrea Torrance. Oh God. Goodnight and Happy New Year.

- This was my father's favourite thing. to watch was a montage. - Somewhere along the lines, these kids still. haven't been taught somewhere. Respect for the life of another human. I don't know where that got lost, say two boys, ages 11. and 13, firing as many as 27 bullets at the student. The rest of the kill in retaliation, the body of one. of King's parents was four counts.

- Oh, by the way, pause this for a minute. Even though these stories even then were negative, people were just more chill about it. I'm like, dead serious. People were more chill. It was more of an energy of like, well, that happened. Like my father would be sitting on a couch eating a pint. hagga dust, vanilla Swiss hum, vanilla Swiss almond. It's late. We had a great chorea, thank you for coming out. But it's vanilla Swiss almond. Excellent.

And he'd be eating it, and he'd be nodding. and taking it all in. He'd be taking it all in. Let's keep watching it. I wanna keep watching this. I don't wanna. skip a minute of this. - You're watching special CBS News shooting. that took place this afternoon at the US Capitol gunman, who somehow made a history of mental illness. We're so sorry about what our son done.

Yeah, we're just seeing investigators are. gathering conflicting. - Details of the attack. Deadly signature left behind by the Embassy, embassy Pen, Tanzania. - First time I was with him alone, I saw somebody totally different than I had expected to see, and that's the person I fell in love with.

I did not have sexual, he has another, an obligation as the, as the highest a lot of this is. - And then this would be a moment like. as this was happening, my dad would nod. and be like, this is, this is, but then there were, and we can get rid of this. one, this one goes on for a while. There were better ones where there was music, there was just kind of images and stuff like that. And they would do those on New Year's Eve. But he, he loved the montage. He, he couldn't get enough of it. because people would, would look back at the year.

and they'll do them this year. I imagine it's, I mean, it's gonna be ugly, but they'll do a montage. But here's the difference. Back then when you saw Montage, you believed whatever was being shown to you. So even though these were horrible stories about people. getting shot or whatever, you know, you know, Clinton got a blowjob, who cares? And then they would show some inspiring stuff later on. Like, see towards the end, if there's anything inspiring here,

it is all just kinda, yeah. Be, yeah, Sonny Bono died. They do the immemorial. Lloyd Bridges, Harry Carey. Yeah. I mean, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, people believed what they were shown. So even though the stories were bad, people believed that they happened,

they were real, that they understood. what happened, and that from that they can draw some conclusion. And it was, it was a shared reality. We all had a shared reality. And you'd watch a montage, you'd go, yep, those two kids shot up that school. Bill Clinton got his dick sucked. Harry Carey died, you know,

and then some of the montages were fun. Every now and then, there'd be a fun story, like a, you know, or you'd see someone getting rescued from a. hurricane that would go into the montage. But again, we all, we all shared a reality. So you would watch something and you'd, you'd go, okay. But now when you see a montage of events, you. are questioning what events.

are actually the things that people say they are, and what events are. You're like, you know, now the montage, you just sit there, you're like, yeah, what was that one? What was that? I don't really understand that one. That one was weird. That one went away quick. No one really talks about that one anymore. You're still sitting there eating Haage das, you're still sitting on your couch. And I don't, you know, the end of the year.

is a time when you look back. and you go, maybe you've had tremendous personal growth in your life. Maybe you haven't. Who cares? You'll get 'em next year. Literally, that's a saying. But it's the time of year. to look around at your life and go, what is happening? What's even going on? Like, what's going on?

And I think that's the question. that most people are asking this year. And that's the question that people weren't asking. as much when I grew up. When I grew up, people were like, oh yeah, this is life now. People are going, what's ha, what's happening? When are the machines coming? What's happening?

And I think that question, why does no one have any sex? What why are the young people so angry now? Why are houses millions. and millions of dollars, like all of them? Why can't anyone afford anything? You know? And it's, it's a, it's a weird time. because it's supposed to have meaning, but it's only the meaning that's, you know, it's just like,

well, it's that time of year, so we're all supposed to look. around and go make a New Year's resolution. or, you know, like, I'm done with this. I'm, I'm heading to that. You know? And, and, and maybe that's successful. Maybe it's not. Yeah, the astronauts were always in a montage. They always put like an astronaut in a montage. Big, big. They always do an astronaut. There we go. The shuttles take it on. And you felt good. You felt good. You're like, there's astronauts. And they're go and there's people playing.

sports and they're winning. And Mark McGuire and the astronauts. And, and no matter what was going on, life made a little bit more sense than it does right now. What is the montage this year? It's just Peter Thiel talking about Satan. What is the montage? What exactly is the Mon Sam Altman. telling every late night chat show host that, you know, he, he doesn't know how people raise kids before chat.

GPT What is the, there's nothing comforting. Everything now is amazingly uncomfortable. to watch, to be, to even look at, to listen. to the theme of everything now is, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's, it's disconnected. It, it does not bring you joy. It does not bring you pleasure. You don't, you don't connect with it. And it's, it's, you know, people have the term cringe.

Everything's cringe. It's all brain rot. People are just staring at their phone. and it's just pumping them full of brain rot. No one has any, no one has a attention span anymore. People are chewing Adderall in their rooms. They're staring at screens. They're gooning, their dick's falling off. They can't get hard. They have Ed. They're 20 years old.

They watch porn that's incredibly violent. You know, they, they can't find any jobs. They're getting radicalised and political movements. They're, you know, they're rehabilitating Hitler. or Mao or whatever. And, you know, people don't go out. They don't see each other. There's no human community. We live in these siloed digital echo chambers where. people just get angry.

And that's like, the new sex is to just be en rage. It's rage bait is this big new word. You know, people watch reality shows about. people looking for homes and they can't afford any. And they just watch 35 shows. about people trying to buy houses. And it's always these outta touch boomers looking. for a fucking lake house. And you're watching that on your couch. You wanna kill yourself.

Slop is the word of the year in 2025. Merriam Webster's Dictionary, slo. And by the way, they nailed it. They nailed it. Slop, eat your slop. And that's what it is. I've been using that for years. But that's really what it all is now. It's content. It's garbage, it's grist for the mill. It's slop, it's sludge, it's rot, it's nothing of any value.

You don't even know what any of it is. It all bleeds together. It blends. It's amorphous. It's, it's just, it's, it's a clogged toilet is what it is. Truly Everything. Nobody knows what anything, you know, you pass these, you pass like a billboard in la there's a movie with, they put 30 celebrities in it. No one's gonna see it. No one cares. Nobody even knows what it is. You know, it, it people, there's no shared cultural moments right now.

There's no shared cultural experiences. that people are having are great. You know, Disney World's been taken over. by morbidly obese pill heads. that have gender identity issues, and they're all walking around wearing diapers and, and clogs trying to wedge themself on it. It's a small world. The kids don't even want to go anymore. They wanna stay in their room and read about Hitler. Nobody wants to go to Disney World anymore. Every movie Disney Makes is about some non-binary snowflake. All of our celebrities are emaciated.

They, their eyes are sunken into their heads. They're having buccal fat removed from their faces. They all look like skeletons. They crawl onto the set of some interview show. to be interviewed. They're crazy. They speak in like Harry Potter Parcel. tongue, those two from Wicked speak in that snake language. And an interviewer like asks them questions, you know, about the, the fucking movie. All of our cultural moments boiled down to nothing.

It's all these, you know, forever children, people trying. to relive their time at summer camp when they were listening. to Taylor Swift. Or like, you know, you have, you have, you have, you have like 40 year olds at sombre concerts. criticising the guy. They don't like what he does or whatever. It's like, you know, grown adults have opinions on like. what child pop stars are doing. and how political chapel Roan it.

Well, she didn't speak out about, it's all crazy. What a profoundly dysfunctional society we have. There's nothing to look up to. There's no one to be excited about. Really, the least controversial member. of this administration is RFK Junior. Can you imagine? He's the least scandal prone member of the administration. And every three days, there's another text leaking from him. where he is like, open your mouth. I wanna put my seed in you.

And that's somehow the best part of this whole thing. His sex are nowhere near as fucking, you know, scandalous is like Cash Patel, the FBI director is sitting there updating you on his. girlfriend's country music tour. It's hell. It's absolutely hell. And Erica, Kirk, God bless, tragic, and I'm sorry for what happened, but nobody knows why. She's out there in a glittering pantsuit in a recreated tent.

that her, her husband tragically was murdered in. throwing merch out. She's out there talking to Nicki Minaj. This is, people are confused what's going on? Those are the three words that sum up. this whole entire mess that we've created. for ourselves. What is business anymore? It's like, oh, fake. Everybody online is trying to make as much money. as they can in any way. They can crypto or drop shipping or bullshit,

or looks maxing. They're smashing hammers into their face. to give them a better chance to fuck a hotter girl. They're trying to make more money so that they can, they can compete in the mating game. and they can, you know, get some apartments somewhere in an. overpriced city and buy their girlfriend boots. I mean, nobody's having children. People are just sitting around. and, you know, trying to, you know, I, I identify with like, some weird movement.

I mean, like, Wicked's probably a fine movie. I don't see it. I don't care. But like, everyone needs to chill the fuck out and relax. What's the, what's the big deal here? Like, people are. making everything into some meaningful moment. And it's not, it shouldn't be. It's a profoundly unhealthy society, the society that we've created.

It really is. You know, I just, you know, when you look at it from the. outside, you know, all these people, it's not, it's not even political, by the way. It's not like I'm telling you like, you know, they're wrong. or they're right or they're gonna fix it. I've never really done that on this show. But like, when you look at the society that we're living in, for example, the last two weeks, people are screaming about Somalian.

Nobody even knows what's happening. People are either like, Somalis are the. best part of this country. What, what is hap what? Nobody even know one, I'm not saying anything bad about them, but like, what is that reaction? And then there's the reaction of like, this, they're the greatest threat that we've ever faced. And then it's like, well, wait a minute, how about that? There's like some scheme, some fraud, some scam. that we need to get to the bottom of. Maybe we're just letting too many people into the country. And maybe those people are gonna eventually be desperate,

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Please support our show and tell them our show sent you. It's completely bat shit. All everybody wants to do now is go to like a store. and spend $75 on a smoothie. They wanna buy a hack and live forever. Why? God, why? Why do you wanna live forever? To watch celebrities continue. to have fat sucked outta their faces by some machine. Why do you wanna live forever? What exactly are you planning to do? How, how you think this thing turns around?

This biohacking stuff. All these guys microdosing everything, trying to level up. to the best versions of themselves. I mean, great. More power to you do what you want. What exactly is this all for? You wanna be here in 30 years, you wanna be here When we're talking about the, the President, Jake Paul's administration. and why they're not doing more to, to stem the, you know, conflict in, you know, the, the civil war. that's happening in our country.

Like, what, what exactly are you people living for? Quite frankly, honestly, rationally. Can you explain to me why you wanna be here. for the next 75 years? Is that exciting? Is it that exciting? It's actually creepy and strange. The music all blends together now into just a lot. There's some good music for sure. But a lot of the stuff you're listening to, it's just this odd, strange, it's just like corporate.

drivel. And you're just meant to listen. to it while online at a salad place. before you get in the elevator. and it takes you back up to this flex space. that you're working in. And you get on your MacBook. and you just, again, you float off into the, into nothingness. You do nothing.

People are just filling their time. and they're filling their time in the absolute worst. way possible. There's this idea of what a perfect life is. It's been drilled into these people's heads. They need the right things all the time. The best schools in the right neighbourhood, west Village girls, like, you know, you need the best coffee, you need the great food. You gotta get the table at the right restaurant. Fuck you. I'm embarrassed. Go to New York.

I'm embarrassed these pigs at Carboni. I'm embarrassed. Spicy rigatoni. I'm embarrassed by what has happened to a great city. Stop. It's disgusting. It's disgusting and repulsive. Your behavior's repulsive. It really is. It's fucking 10 restaurants you read about on Instagram. You gotta wait four months so you can drag your friends. to go to the corner store. You can eat caviar and think it's something.

I mean, it's just, I I, I'm, I'm just completely embarrassed. Whatever this is, is nothing, it's not culture. It's not trust me, trust me, this isn't culture. Whatever this is, whatever you think you're participating. in, it's not, it's not worth your $7,000 a month rent. Whatever you think you are doing is nothing. You know, I mean, truly. Now these Epstein documents, say what you want, say. what you want about Jeffrey and Ghislaine.

and the Trumps and the Clintons. But they had class. They had class, they went to the best places in the world. and they raped, murdered and tortured people. And yes, a way that I would live, no, no. sort of evil little demonic. But it was culture. It was culture. And it's a bad cult. It's not a good culture. It's not ideal.

It's less than ideal, certainly less than ideal. But that was the culture of our world. We have to accept it. We have to accept it. I don't want it to continue. And then I want the people that. participated in it to go to jail. But that was our culture. We didn't even know it. But we did. Sam Chris has kind. of a great article about that. If you read his stuff, and you should, but that's the thing. It's like, this was our culture. for a very long time.

It was domination, evil, exploitation, bad, not good. But it was our culture. It was our culture, you know? And you know, we're, we're coming to terms with that. We're coming to terms with that. And it's gonna take, it's a little bit of a pill to swallow. Is it not? It's a little bit of a pill to swallow. Huh?

It's a little bit of a pill. It's a little bit of a pill. You ever get sick as a kid and your. mom's like, you gotta take this one. And you're like, Ugh. She's like, this one is everyone. that rules over you's a static paedophile. You're like, oh no, not this one. It's a little bit of a pill to swallow. But that's where a lot of this comes from. This is the runoff. What you are seeing now is the runoff. of people living to pretend that that isn't true.

It is the, the, the denial of that culture. that has produced this culture. Let's not, I'll say it again. I'll say it again. I should be paid more for this, frankly. I'll say it again. It is the denial of that culture. that has manufactured this culture of nothingness. It is the unwillingness to look that in the face. that has produced slop. That's what it is. It is the discomfort.

that comes from facing the fact that your greatest fears. are true and you're unable. to process that. So you dive into the Aris tour, you backstroke. through the fucking, you know, restaurant. that serves the thing from the app. that you saw.

You try to vacation in the right place. to take the edge off. You know, it is the denial of truth. that has delivered you here into nothingness, into emptiness, into a place. Where do you wanna see the amenities? The building is really nice, but you've gotta see the amenities. The amenities are really over the top. The HOA is really high, but you have to see it. because the amenities are so worth it.

The amenities are amazing. There's this amazing room. You can use it if you have a party like 12 to 15 people. You wanna do a dinner, you can bring in a private chef. You could bring in a private chef. It's so amazing. They'll set right up and they'll do a dinner. You can actually bring in servers in a bartender. I've done it before. It's amazing. And it actually connects to a terrace. What's great about it is it's actually. for everyone in the building to use. You can reserve it, but it's very easy. You just do it on the app. Is the world run by satanic, paedophiles?

There's also a rooftop garden. It's amazing. I go up there, I have coffee all the time. You can go. So you get a special key when you come here. And it'll only go to your floor. So you don't have to worry about any of the security. And at the top of the building, there's a rooftop garden. and you can sit there and you can even do yoga. 'cause actually super private. There's like alcoves, right? Is, so let, let me ask you do, do you think that our. civilization is run by like evil paedophiles. that are murdering and torturing children?

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And I just heard that around the block, that like super exclusive restaurant. that nobody can get into. Tate McCray was there last night. Wow. Well thank you for this info. You've given me a. lot to think about. And it is the denial of that culture that is produced. This one, okay, looking at in the face is very hard to do. And when you refuse to do that,

you can only concern yourself. with the minutia, the meaningless, the bullshit, the empty signifiers. of status that are splashed across social media, ultimately adding up to nothing. But that's the point. Nothing is the point.

They don't want you asking any questions. about anything real. They want you to play the game, not for any reward, not for a trophy, not for glory, not. for honour, not for pride. They want you to play the game. because it distracts you from the game. That's the whole thing. You are playing this game. It's called the rat race, whatever you wanna call it.

You are distracted from what's really happening, where the money's going, who's disappearing, who's being threatened, who's being intimidated? Who's being murdered on whose behalf? It's all happening. All the clans and groups. and little huddles of people trying to exert power. and trying to manifest their reality. All of that you ignore. because you are playing a very hard game. that involves the accumulation of money,

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Investments. Lll C and SEC registered investment advisor. investing involves risk offer subject. to terms and conditions. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show, Ryan Grim, who writes at Drop Site News, which has done the best reporting on the Epstein case. This is not even debatable. We talked about one of their articles a few weeks ago. where Jeffrey Epstein was back channelling to try.

to get a meeting with Vladimir Putin between Vladimir Putin. and Exis Israeli, the exis Israeli prime minister. to talk about the Syrian Civil War. We talked about that on the show. and people send me drop site news all the time ago. You gotta read this article, Steve Bannon and, and again, you guys aren't ideologically aligned, but Steve Bannon has even praised you as a good journalist, like people from, from many different political persuasions. Even I think people on the Epstein list.

are saying this is good. Even the the paedophiles are going, he's doing, he's doing the work. So. - Like, hey, this is legit. - So Ryan, thank you again for coming. I appreciate it. It's the holidays and I appreciate you making time for us. If you could sum up as just an introductory statement. for the uninitiated. When you look at this new dump of Epstein files. that just came out, number one,

tell people, you know, you know, surmise for people. what exactly you think the Epstein operation was. If there was one, you know, the FBI says there, you know, said that there wasn't, but they have all these files. suggesting maybe there is, - Right? - What was this operation, and I don't know how many of these files you've looked. through in the, the new files. Has any of your opinion changed with regard. to the scope of the operation, the intent of the operation,

or any of the key players? - Yeah, I, I think. that my take on this is actually usually you, you go into the reporting. and you find out that the story you're looking. for isn't quite all the way there. It's not quite as interesting as you kind. of imagined that it might be. This, this kind of has been the reverse, like this. You keep peeling the layers back. and you're like, oh, wow, that was true. That was true, that was true.

And it, and on and on, you know, when they say there was no Epstein operation, it's like. the guy's been doing a lot of operating for many decades. and at at some point you're gonna have to call. that an operation because it's, he, he keeps becoming involved. and he keeps being found from Iran Contra all the way up. to the things that you were talking about, the c you know, Syrian civil war, like a lot, a lot going on in Africa, which was, which was a piece of Iran, Iran Contra as well,

the kind of unspoken piece of it. The fact that he focused so much on Africa really shows. that he really does kind of know where power flows. and where money, commodities and resources flow. So yeah, there's a, there's an awful lot there. - The part of the question. with Jeffrey Epstein has always been about definitions. Is he an agent? Is he an associate? Right? Is he a what in the, in the murky world of intelligence,

what was Jeffrey Epstein? Was he employed by the Mossad or the CIA. or MI six? Was he a liaison that worked with all. of these different agencies from your reporting? What would you call him if you. had to call him something? Right. - Well, we, we don't have a W nine. or anything right from Epstein. And I think that that kind. of misunderstands the relationship. Like if you think about Mossad for instance, or the CIA like running people.

Yeah, they, they're organisations. and they have, they have ambitions, they have projects, but he was operating at a layer above, I think, right? The Mossad and the ccia, they're, they're there. to serve the major power centres, you know, throughout the world. And different factions within them serve different. factions at different times. But if you think of the kind of global elite as kind. of organised around that Davos conference or you know, what, or you know, these, this Davos crew out there, right? Like the CIA, it's more properly understood.

CIA works for them, right? And Jeffrey Epstein was an integral player in. that Davos set. And I think sometimes his, his allies. and he himself was, he was waning. He's not doing as well. Other times his power is on the. rise, you know, that it's, that's how it works. inside nebulous organisations like this. But he's right there at the centre of this, you know, fundamen, fundamentally undemocratic global institution. It's not even an institution,

it's just this amoebic type of entity. He's right there in the middle of it, you know, and he's, and he still has to jockey for power, but he is then able to deploy his own assets, whether it's Mossad. or whether it's people in the CIA in in order to serve he. and his allies own interests. What, which sometimes align with the interests. of Israel sometimes align with the interests of the us. but, you know, they're also self-serving interests. - What are the main concerns, the primary objectives. of the quote Davo set? Is it a monolith or do those people have varied interests?

- I think it's, well they're, they're in competition. with each other, for each other's resources for sure. But they're also in competition with the 99.9% of the world. that doesn't really want them to exist. And so that's, and so what they're trying to do is kind. of justify their existence and maintain their power. and justify their existence. That's why when they get together, they often talk about the kinds of things. that would be wonderful if they delivered on them.

You know, they're gonna end world hunger. or they're gonna, they're gonna end. illiteracy around the world. They're gonna, you know, they're gonna go. after disease and malnutrition. They're gonna reverse climate change. And yet some of it, somehow it just all keeps getting worse. And, and their power continues, continues to grow and, and their wealth continues to be. concentrated at the very top. So their, their, their goal is, I think self perpetuation. and kind of continuing to lock down, you know, their, their position in the world and, and to keep the, the public at, at bay.

'cause it, they're fundamentally an non-democratic entity. - Someone Katherine Austin Fitz describes some. of the people you're talking about. as intergenerational pools of capital. - Yes. - Does that, does that make sense to you? - Yeah, yeah, definitely. They, yes. And they're also, they're very much transnational, - Right? - Like they, they're not American. They're not, they're not Israeli, they're not Chinese. Like if they're Chinese, they,

they actually have a little bit more strings attached. to what they're able to do. But in, in the western ones, you know, they're looking. for their own sovereignty and what, what make. and what, what it, what it appears like is going on with, with Epstein and his, and his work with Israel. and also the UAE we're gonna have a lot more. - Yeah. - To come about his, his work with Saudi Arabia and the UAE. What the UAE and Israel both figured out is. that when you're operating in this kind of world. that is filled with nation states, nation states have particular rights, they, they're,

they can vote in the un, they can set up banks. Those banks can then move money. And those banks are then subject to the laws. and the judiciary kind of within those states. And if the national security apparatus controls the, that judiciary, you can basically be a, a criminal gang. Like the, so the United Arab Emirates for instance, they're doing enormous amounts of like money laundering. Like if all of this, all this wealth that's coming out. of Africa is, you know, flows right into, into the UA e.

and then they skim off the top. You're like, how is this, how are they doing this? This is basically mafia stuff. It's like, well, they call themselves a state, they call themselves a government. so they can, so they can do that. And Israel does a version of that as well, where the state is aligned with the companies. and they have this protection that they can operate in a way. where if they were just private actors, like, wait, you can't do that. - Right? So it's kind of a cartel. - Yeah. Right. It's a legalised cartel. that operates as a state. - And what role does sexual black male play in this?

You know, obviously the Epstein spent years. engaging in horrific abuses. and he was, you know, he got a slap on the wrist, you know, he had a very light sentence regard to the crime. They charged him with a very specific crime. There were many victims. He was only charged with one crime. Right. What role does, number one, do you believe it was a black male operation?

And then if, if so in, when we talk about these cartels, when we talk about money laundering, we talk about, you know, people that are trying. to evade the democratic process, the legal process. What role does Jeffrey Epstein's sexual. proclivities, and I don't, I'm not saying it lightly proclivities, but his sex sexual crimes, what role do they play in this larger picture? - And your, your point about them only charging him.

with one girl Yeah. Is, is a key one. - Yeah. - And his lawyers were so successful, they, they got him charged with the 17-year-old. - Right. - Even though there were dozens. - Yeah. - And some as young as like 14 or even younger. Right. And so then his revisionist friends can say, oh, it was 17-year-old. - Right. - What did he, you know, he. didn't, he didn't know. Right. And then you look at, oh, that's all he got charged with. Okay, let's go, let's get back into business buddy. Rather than Oh, dozens. Like even much younger. - No, I mean, he's a fully evil man.

and I think Ghislain Maxwell's evil, like when you read these documents and, and, and even the prior documents, it's very hard to come away. with any other picture than that. These were evil people engaging in. - Yeah. - Acts of extreme abuse, rape, perhaps murder, we don't know. Things like that. - And with total remorse. and doing it on a like, seems like daily basis. - For right remorseless. Yeah, absolutely. - 40 to 50 years. But to it, it's interesting.

What what you need a Jeffrey Epstein for going back. to our kind of trans national cartel operating. as a state kind of thing, is that if, if you wanna move money guns, you know, let's, you know, let's say you wanna move weapons from Iran. to the Contras in Nicaragua, or you wanna move them to some type. of rebel group in Africa, when Congress has told you you can't fund this rebel group. in Africa, or you've got blood diamonds.

that you've gotta get moving out. You can't really go to the, like. the white shoe firms for that. - Right. - They're gonna be like, you know, right. Let, lemme get your, your know your client here. Like, how do we know that this person isn't sanctioned? This appears to be a terrorist organisation that. you're shipping weapons to. Right? Is that, did you say Iran is involved. - In this? I thought works. Right, right, right, right, right. - We're war with them. - Yeah. - So what you need is somebody who lives in the grey area,

and those people are very useful. And so when the New York Times, for instance, says, you know, there's all these conspiracies about Jeffrey. Epstein, but in fact he's just actually a giant con artist. that's missing the point you to, to work in that realm. of the spy world in the shadows. You're gonna be a con artist. You're gonna be the kind of person that pushes things beyond. to, you know, to the edge and then, and then over it. And so that's what you see time.

and time again with Epstein, is that, for instance, we wrote about, actually, I don't know if we've written about this one yet, but George Mitchell, former senator who was Secretary. of state under Clinton, he needed to go. to a Sudan back in the two thousands. because he was running for president. and he wanted to broker some looked like he, he was gonna broker a truce in Sudan. And in order to get in there, he reached out to Jeffrey Epstein. He's like, who's got the jets? You know, who can, who can move, who can, you know, move me into a warlord zone?

And it's somebody like Epstein. He ended up not using Epstein, but Epstein was able to put it together. And then he announced a completely fake truce. that fell apart a day later. - Right. - And used it in his presidential campaign. But that's the kind of thing you need him for. Like, I need, I need to move money. I need to move guns, diamonds, minerals, you know, commodities we need, we need, things have to happen. It has to happen quickly. And it, and it has to be done off the books. And, and that's what people like Epstein are for. - And - Just have no.

- Morality whatsoever. The black male, is he blackmailing these people. and keeping the information himself. Is that information then going to another state like Israel, is it going to the highest bidder? He's photographing and recording people. Where is all this information going? - We, we don't yet like, have evidence of, Hey, I've got footage of you. Right. You need to do x We do have him. being just absurdly aggressive to people like Leon Black.

and, and Les Wexner. - Yeah. - In emails in a way where you're like, this is not. how the power dynamic between an accountant. - These are two - Billionaires, billionaire, - These are two billionaires, Les Wexner, billionaire, Leon, black billionaire. - Right? - So when he's being uber aggressive in those. emails, as a journalist, does that lead you to believe. that he has some leverage? - What, what you, what you can say for sure is. that there is implicit blackmail going on under there, - Right? - Like, because they allegedly are engaged.

in all of these types of activities. So just by definition, Epstein would know. and they would know that Epstein. knows what he's involved with. Now they deny that, but you know, there's been plenty. of reporting that, that he, that all his friends. and quote unquote friends, like knew what he was up to. - Right? - Even Ehud Barak in one of the emails, he's asking how he can, how he can win over this banker.

that he wants to work with for this one, this, this deal. And he says, ladies, is is your forte to, to Epstein, right? So it's like, and people who, who I've talked, talked to. who met him within, within like 30 seconds, they're like, this guy's complete and total creep, - Right? - Like he's just, he's just oozing creep vibes. So the people that stayed in his life, like very much understood that. And so they know in the back of their mind that he knows. that now at the same time, what, what the emails.

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fake planet using sex. slaves on that planet. There was a class of people on the planet. that were sex slave was a novelist, whatever. I don't know, is it a right word? You know, we don't know. But, so Jeffrey Epstein is working. for this man who's written some questionable literature. whose son then becomes the attorney General he's at, at, at Dalton, which is a, a, a private school. He's not a math genius.

He's, it's not the guy from a beautiful mind. He's not winning Nobel Prizes in mathematics. He somehow links up with Les Wexner, billionaire owner. of Victoria's Secret, the Limited brands, the Gap, things like that. Then, you know, fast forward, he's got Ghislaine Maxwell, who's Father Robert Maxwell. You know, it's, it's widely believed and, and, and written about that this man was an Israeli. super spy. That he was a, you know, a,

a hugely influential member of the intelligence community. He was a media mogul, but, you know, he was given high honours. with his burial in Israel. I mean, Mount of Olives. This is all real stuff. So this story for a lot of people. feels like, okay, the guy's Epstein's clearly a paedophile. He's a monster. How does a guy like that, who just gets a job at a high school go to back channelling. between Vladimir Putin.

and the, the Prime Minister, the ex-Prime minister of Israel? That's the question that a lot. of people are having a problem with. Who made that happen? Who allowed that to happen? I'm sure Epstein was an enterprising person, but from your research, what is the story? How does he get to be in this position, this rarefied air. with the quote unquote Davos set? - Yeah. Yeah. So he winds up at Bear Stearns out of.

that Dalton thing like the, that Barr's dad gets him, that also gets him that job at, at Bear Stearns, which was known as like, as I've researched it, more like a kind of the Trashiest investment bank. Yeah. Like the one that would kind of cut corners the most. He cut too many corners, gets, gets edged out of that. But as he gets edged out, and this was in our, in our most recent piece, he goes into business with this guy, Stan Pottinger. Stan Pottinger was a lawyer who is now known. to be former Nixon attorney, deputy Attorney General, known.

to be at the centre of Iran Ry He was setting up, he was helping to do a lot of the, the moving of the money. and setting up the structures for the, the Iran Contra deal, which should probably be called like Iranis. Israel, Angola Contra. Right. Because the people might not realise it kind. of gets written out of it, the US. didn't send the weapons right. To Iran. 'cause that would've been completely illegal. Right. So they came up with this scheme where they're like, okay, Israel will send weapons to Iran.

Right. Which is thinking back, it's like comical. Are you like, are you serious? - Right. Insane - Israel's arming Iran. - Insane. - It's insane. So Israel's arming Iran. and then we're replenishing their stocks, and then we're, and then Shimon Perez Barack and, and the Ccia a are taking the, the, the loot from the profits from Iran and funding the Contras, and then also funding these an these Angola rebels. that the CCIA was backing, but that they weren't supposed to be backing. because j you know, Jimmy Carter's saying, we're not doing this anymore, and we're not, we're not doing all these terribly legal.

things with these terror groups. And so Epstein is in, in business with that guy. He's also associates with Adnan Khashoggi at the time. That's actually coincidentally Jamal Khashoggi uncle, one. of the biggest weapons dealers of the, like 1980s and nineties. He was also a central banker for the Iran Contra scandal. And the New York Times mentioned this in. their early article. He also knew Douglas Leese, who was this.

British arms trafficker who also had ties to Iran Contra. So Epstein is right in the middle of this, and this is a seminal kind. of global intelligence scheme, - Right? - That, that, that now we all acknowledge like, oh, Iran Coner was a thing. Like they did all these things. and actually they did more than they've acknowledged, but even what they've acknowledged. - And how does he end up in business with Stan Pottinger? Do you think it's that Jeffrey Epstein is just a morally.

questionable guy who doesn't mind blurring the lines of. what is and isn't appropriate? Is there some other connection? Do they know each other socially? Like what, what about Epstein makes him, you know, there's probably a lot of people at Bear Stearns. What about Epstein makes him the guy? - I think that, I think he was, I think they knew each other socially. Okay. That's, that's my sense from the reporting so far. And also Epstein was building a lot. of connections at that time.

So he was going back and forth to London a lot. He'd met Khashoggi, he'd met Lisa. He, he's, he's really starting to be somebody. - When did he meet Maxwell - Maxwell's? Like later, later in the eighties. Okay. - Okay. Did he know her father. - Knew of, don't think they met. Okay. I actually, the, somebody like a Whitney Webb. who knows this more in, in a more encyclopaedic fashion. - Right. - But no, I don't think so. Because I think they met when, yeah. So they met when she came to New York. and she came to New York because he,

because you know, things were not. going well for her over there. Right. 'cause he had fallen, fallen off. or got pushed off his yacht or whatever. I, is it possible they met when he was. going back and forth to London? Yeah, but I, I don't, I don't actually know the details of. - Okay. - Of that early part. But, and when it comes to Wexner, there's, we, this is something else we, we had reported on. There were weren't the first people were like, wow, he does power of attorney for this random accountant. How on earth did this happen? Turns out that about a month. before Wexner agreed to give Epstein power of attorney,

the local police. and the local attorney general, the state Attorney general in Ohio, were looking very closely at all. of Wex at Wexner organisation as linked. to this like mob connected assassination of an attorney. who was linked to a Wexner company. So. - Like, he was about to testify this attorney, - Right? Yes. Right. Yes. - Yeah. - So the heat is on, heat is on big time. - Right. - Against Wexner. And so what, whether. or not that had something to do with the.

decision, we don't know. But like shortly after that, the, the very planes. that the CCIA was using to do Iran Contra. Epstein then transitions from that. to running Victoria's Secret lingerie and Abercrombie. and Fitch stuff from Hong Kong and China. So like that's another connection. where you're like, ho, hold on. Jeffrey Epstein brought the CIA's like airline to Ohio. to work for Wexner. And then when it's done, it goes to Angola. where they were also shipping weapons.

- So when we're talking about the CIA, we're talking about obviously a very large agency with a lot. of power, but as you rightly said, they are not. usually the author of the story. They are working for very wealthy people, business interests, things like that. So we're talking about the CIA, we're probably talking about a faction within the ccia A. or many factions, I don't know, you could maybe. - Right. - Illustrate this, where there's probably a tonne of people. that show up at Langley every day.

They're typing, you know, these reports of their analysts. and they're saying, well, did the guy in Pakistan, in the cafe say whatever? Who are the people in the CIA working with Epstein? And I'm not saying you even know their names, but can you illustrate who these people are? Are they currently members of the CIA? Are they ex CIA? Are they in other parts of the government? Maybe the State department, but actually are deep cover CIA agents.

who is helping him arrange air transport. with this CIA front company, this airline. And, you know, with Les Wexner, in your. - Estimation right there, there's this. amoeba like overlap between the leadership. of the CIA and the kind of ex CIA types, right? You know, who the former CIA directors, former CIA officials. who are now doing, you know, consulting. or the running foundations.

that have enormous amounts of money. Like Wexner Foundation, for instance, was one. of the biggest funders of pro-Israel causes, or Leon Black is, you know, donating enormous amounts of money. Allison is like the biggest donor. to like friends of the IDF. So, - Right. - Even if you're not directing a CIA budget, like if you can, you know, through your friends. or through your board positions, you can still be moving kind of many millions of dollars. And so it's, so it's those people that are former CIA, but in, they're now in private practise, but they're still associated with the leadership. of the CIA plus then the people.

who are in the adminis in the White House itself. So like the pil political appointees. and tho that, that's the kind of network. that comes together to do it. Oftentimes, you know, lots. of different operations at the same time, and some of them almost at cross purposes. And the ones we learn about are the ones that either blow up. or, or are like, eventually successful. But you'll get people together like, okay, here's, here's something I'd like to do in Afghanistan, which is another place they were spending the. Iran profits by the way.

Right? And so, all, all right, how, how are we gonna fund this Afghan project? We go, obviously now we're not gonna. go to Congress, we're not gonna. - Sure, - Like go to the public. and say, here's an idea we have. Would you like to use your taxpayer money for it? No. We're gonna like, find our own sources of money, whether it's through, through Black Ops, through this like CIA, you know, hedge fund, you know, venture capital fund, or through our foundations that are, that are friendly with us. And then we're gonna see if it sticks. And if it doesn't, we'll just deny it. And if it does, we'll deny it.

- So, Epstein in your mind, this is somebody. who obviously establishes all these connections. with arms traffickers. and, you know, billionaires, people like Les Wexner. Yeah. Then he begins to facilitate operations. between former government officials, billionaires, arms, traffickers, and he's in this world. And so is he a free agent? Meaning like, is this guy working at the behest.

of Israel? Is he working at the behest of a foreign government? This is something that I know, and I've talked to some smart people. You talk to more people than I do. I talk to a lot of people that are mentally ill, but they're very interesting. and it's hard to know what's what. And some of the mentally ill people actually. sound really credible now. - Yes. - But there is this belief that Epstein was working. for Israel, or at least Israeli interest, and it dovetails with the Wexner of it all,

the Maxwell connection. Do you think there's credibility to that belief. that he's not just a completely free agent, that he is. working on behalf of at least Israeli interests? - Well, he, he, he also is politically aligned. Yeah. So it, it's, you know, you wouldn't have. to twist his arm to do it. But just from a, like a matter of fact of. what he actually did, like we can, we can count a, a number.

of different instances where he was doing things on behalf. of either a Barack when he was Minister of Defence. or the state of Israel. Like, I, I, you know, I think you've talked about this on your show. before, like we started, we started simple. with a little story about a, a security agreement they helped cut with Mongolia. Right? It's like not a big, not not the hugest deal in the world. Sure. But like, it's, it's to show like how this, how this thing unfolds. He and he and Ehud Barack used their connections to get a,

to get a meeting actually literally at Davos. with the president of, of Mongolia. And Larry Summers was there, you know, to, you know, the per, you know, you gotta, you gotta impress the guy, show 'em that you, you know, are are friends with powerful people. Then they, then they cut some weapons deals, and then from there you get a security agreement. Same thing happening in, in other states as well. So you, you, you, you see like other countries perceiving him. and perceiving Ehud Barack, who's private citizen, but going back and forth in.

and outta government as repre as representative of Israel, of the state of Israel. Funny thing is that Netanyahu would agree with that. In fact, he, he shared some of our reporting. and it created this big scandal in Israel. because our reporting connects Epstein more closely. to the kind of opposition. - The other party in Israel. Right. - Ehud Brock. And the what used. to be the Labour Party and all that. - Yeah. Progressive. Yeah. - And so Netanyahu's like, aha, see Epstein, there is an Israel connection,

but it's my, it's my adversaries. Now we'll have a story out next week about how he connected. JP Morgan, chase. and Netanyahu as part of this, what looks. to be this like giant gas pipeline deal. So it wasn't just, he wasn't only on the opposition side. Right. But yeah. So, but also Aub Barack. Yes. He's, he's adversarial like, you know, in, in the, in intramural league, you know, with Netanyahu, but he's still out there representing Israel's interests.

- Right. - But now was he doing that first or foremost, or was he, you know, was his greater. allegiance to the CIA or something? We don't know, but we do know that he was. carrying out missions on behalf. and that served the state of Israel. Like that's, that's. - Indisputed. Yes. It's not, it's not a controversial statement. Now what do you make of his relationship. with Ghislaine Maxwell? You know, the, the, that you've, you've studied this, right? You've looked at this, she's looking for a pardon? I believe she was moved to a, a much more,

I guess a, a low security or lower security prison. She's clearly angling to be pardoned. - Right. - What is the relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. and Jeffrey Epstein from your reporting also, what do you think Ghislaine Maxwell may. or may not have on the president of the United States? - Yeah, I mean the, they were tight for so long. that, you know, and I,

and I think there could be, you know, they knew Melania. for a long time as well. Like almost separately. - Who? - The, like Epstein and, and Ghislaine. - How did they know her? - I think through John Luke Brune, some. - Of the who, who, who killed himself. - Yeah. Yeah. Some - He was a, well, Jean-Luc Brunell died, right? He was a photographer. - He was a fa yeah. Fashion industry. Like. - Fashion industry, guy tycoon, maybe sex. - Trafficker and, - And a sex trafficker.

And then how did he die? He's dead. - Right? So jail cell also. - Yeah. - Yeah. Huh. Yeah. - A lot of depression. So he knew. Melania 'cause she was a model. - That that's that's my memory. Yeah. - Okay. - That and very ear, very early stages. And, and, and Melania is very sensitive about. this subject. I think she sued, she sued who? Michael Wolf or she sued somebody. - Okay. Yeah. She sued Michael Wolf, I believe. Yes. - Yeah. And, and I think she sued like this, another book.

that was saying that she and Epstein dated or something. So she sued over that. So the, the, I think the Trump. and Melania are probably worried about what's in. there as, as well. - What do you I think is in there? I mean, I know that you are a reporter, so you don't usually, you know, you know, extrapolate or say things that you can't. But if you could, and I'm not asking you. to make wild claims, what would the, what. what does the fear originate from?

- Well, so there, there, did you see the email. that came out just the other day from, in the latest tranche. where it was, there was one pro federal prosecutor writing. to others where he said just a, just. as a situational awareness. or whatever the words are they use, looks like President Trump. And this was during the first term, flew on Epstein's aeroplane, you know, significantly more times than was previously known. And he was also on there twice. with Maxwell while there were victims on the plane.

during the time that we're investigating. her for sex trafficking. - Right. - Just, just a, just a heads up. Like, this is something y'all might wanna know. 'cause this is our boss, like, at this particular moment, like that right there in a, in any normal world would be utterly devastating. Like the, so this is a convicted sex trafficker. Maxwell, forget Epstein. - She's not convicted at that time, though. - Not yet, but was getting pro was getting investigated. Now we, now we know she's a convicted sex trafficker.

and there were victims on the plane while the president. or the wasn't the president. Yeah. Right. But while Trump is on the plane, and so, you know, at, at best at. that point you can be like, well, I didn't see anything. Right. But everybody else who's ever been. around these gay folks are like, no, this was like debaucherous disgusting stuff. - Right. - There's no way you didn't see this. And also we know that, you know, he did that whole thing. where he is like, what did he say on Howard Stern? He, he bought Miss Teen USA.

so he could like creep into the locker room. - Not an ideal statement. Yes, for sure. So do you. - Not secretly recorded either? Just like, - Did you see the email from Mark Epstein saying, my brother was about to name names, and I think his murder was authorised by the president. - I hadn't seen that, but. - I don't know, you know, that's in there. I guess I will, - Yeah. I will. - Say there is fake stuff in there. Right, - Right. I will say that it, it's, it's hard to believe that.

with the amount of power. and the number of friends that he had, that he felt like he had no way out. Like, he considered himself to be a, a smooth operator, a very powerful person. He's got lots of damaging information about. almost everybody in positions of power. - Yeah. - Like, I've never seen any, I don't know anybody. who can get you meetings with Putin, bill Clinton, Sarkozy, like, you know, net Netanyahu. - So you don't, don't believe he killed himself. - So it, it's just hard to see Yeah. Anything's possible.

But like he was still fighting the charges. and there was no reason to think he was gonna spend the rest. of his life in prison, given the power that he had. Right. The what he and what he, what he could offer. Right. But I then, and, but that's dangerous. But then, you know, it's also very hard to under figure out. how they could pull it off. But it, it's very hard for me to get my head to a place. where, where he's ready to just end it. - He's at Chelsea Clinton, I'm sorry, Ghislaine Maxwell is at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

- Right. - Bill Clinton. There's photos of him swimming in a pool, which is Laine Maxwell. - Yeah. - Bill Clinton's not a rube. He knows that. He knows what's going on. Right. Yeah. I mean, he knows who Ghislaine Maxwell is. and what they're up to. Why is, and I know the answer, I think I know the answer. Why is Bill Clinton so cool. with hanging out with these people? - Yeah, I think, yeah. You probably know the answer. It's like, yeah,

- Yeah. - It's, yeah. - So. - Right. And. - Then Yeah, - Yeah, - Yeah. So we, so we, we have a problem here. I mean, this is truly a, a real problem, right? We, we, we have a problem if we're supposed. to have a democratic society. Now, let's say it's hijacked by money. We all believe that, - Right? - Hijacked by business interest. We all believe that is hijacked by oligarchs. We, no, nobody's, nobody who listens. to this show is shocked to hear any of that. What I do think people are shocked.

by surprised, by disgusted, by enraged at is how many. of these people seem to be either paedophiles. or very tolerant of paedophiles. What about the ruling class, in your estimation, makes. that the case that they, if they're not partaking, they're hanging out with human traffickers. And that's okay. - I think if I had to put 'em on the couch, the, the way they have lived their life suggests to them. that there are no rules.

- Yeah. - And I, and I also think partly. that once you are a billionaire, or once you've been president of the United States, or president of whatever country you're from, there's probably a lot of boredom that creeps in. - Right. - And you and I, and I would imagine like they start getting their thrills. by do, by pushing into the forbidden. - Right? - Like in a, in a world where. almost everything is given to them is available to them. - Yeah. - With ease. Yeah. With just, and everyone is nice to them,

even the people that hate them, - Right? - Like, that's gotta be unsettling. - Well, you have Prince Andrew in the uk who's, this has been a huge crisis for them, right? Because Prince Andrew has been named By multiple witnesses, very credibly and accused of very heinous behaviour. The UK police was just reported are now going to ask the FBI. for information on some of these UK. sex parties, where somebody's alleging that he was abused.

as an underage boy by Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew. And like, tortured, right? Like with Electric Shocks. and everything like this in the UK now, there's been, there was a scandal at the Kora Boys home. in I believe Ireland. You know, the, the Franklin scandal was another scandal in. the eighties in, in Omaha, Nebraska, where Franklin Credit Union was laundering money on behalf. of a human trafficker who was peddling children.

to wealthy and powerful people. Is this something that has been. going on forever? And this is something that people are now just kind. of waking up to the depravity of some. of these people, like, you know, - Yeah. - I, is this something that you think is, you know, do you have to go back all the people who said, you know, paedophiles shape-shifting listeners run the world.

Do you have to go back and apologise to them now? - Yes. I think you, I think you do. It's like, yeah, I think this, I think this level. of power also like corrupts people's, like souls and their minds. - Yeah, for - Sure. Which, which is another argument. for like actual democratic checks on their power. Yeah. On, on their own behalf too. You don't, like, we're trying. to prevent you from being shrivelled up, paedophile, reptiles. - Is there a quasi-religious element to this? And I mean, not, and I don't get into the woo woo stuff all.

the time in the sense that like, defiling and abusing innocence and, and, and, and innocent children. and committing these horrible acts, this obsession with death. You see it with the skull and bone stuff. And I always thought, I always kind of wrote it off as kind. of like a childish and kind of trying to be edgy. and do whatever it is, but this obsession with death. and these images of, you know, somewhat of the occult.

and the weird bohemian grove stuff. where it's like we all stand. and everyone goes, well, it's just a frat party. and it's a bunch of guys blown off steam. And they're standing there and they're worshipping the owl. of mooch and Mooch is a biblical symbol, and it talk of a child sacrifice. Truly. - Yeah. - Now, I'm not trying to sound like crazy, and I know that you're a reporter. and you, you are only gonna talk about. what you've sourced and what's out there. But like, is there some strange, you know, I mean, genuinely, like, is there some strange belief system.

where these symbols keep popping up. and these people have this weird, and Tony Podesta's got weird art in his house. It's just very odd. I mean, truly, right? It's like odd. It's like I've, I've been in a lot of wealthy people's homes. and I've never seen a picture of a demon holding a baby. or what This art is very strange. Where the artist literally said, I'm working. through my own trauma with this art. I don't know, I'm not trying to draw all of these, you know, associations, but like, do you look at any.

of this stuff you are reporting? Do you look at any of this stuff in a new light now. where you go, oh yeah, they believe certain people are disposable, expendable. If you're a a 14-year-old girl. that grows up on the wrong side of Palm Beach, your life is meaningless to them. and they can do anything they want to you with impunity. Is there some overarching belief system that that fits into? - I, I do think so. I, I think it is like one, one. of the strongest arguments against inequality a against this.

runaway like, insane level of inequality. that produces a class of people that is unique, separate, distinct from the rest of the population. And it, and it, it's gotta mess with them. It's gotta me, it's gotta get in their heads. because they don't have. to worry about the pedestrian concerns that people have. of like making your mortgage and like. - Right. - Just staying alive and, and like keeping your marriage healthy. and like spending enough time with your kids, right.

And like, just the, the normal things. So then they have to like, develop all. of these pathologically like, depraved activities. to just keep them, to let themselves know, to let them know they're alive. Think, - And this has happened to over generations. - This is a - Generational problem. - And it's happened also for thousands of years. Like if it was just legalised with, you know, harems and, and all the, you know, over, over, you know, the long arc. of history, the difference then was like,

it was like, oh, that's what they do. - How bad does this get for the Trump administration? I mean, I, they're saying that there's a lot more files. that still have not been released looking at the material. Do you think this gets much worse? Do you think this makes him a lame duck president? Do you think there are calls for. impeachment or re resignation? What do you think happens? - I, I mean, I don't, I don't think we're looking at. impeachment or. - Okay. - I think it's dam deeply damaging. I think, you know, there are a lot of people.

who are like single issue, right? No paedophiles. - Voters. That makes sense. - Yeah. Who - Are like, you know. what you think Bill Clinton's gonna be called to testify? - And I think, and yes. He, they're trying to get him to, right. And it would be, you know, Steve Bannon went to jail. for refusing a subpoena. Right. To testify to Congress. It'd be wild if they refuse. And. - Like, what do you make of that relationship? You know, people talk about Steve Bannon advising. him and there's hours of. - That's a, that's a very good question. - Wow. A cat. It's a black cat who comes in? Oh.

- No. - Watch out. Oh no, it's Mossad. - Uhoh. - That's what they do. All right. So Bannon and him, what's that deal? - He, I think he, I think Bannon, I mean obviously this is deep into people knowing. what Epstein was all about. - Yeah. - I think Bannon understood like what an opera, like what an operator this guy was. - Right. - Like Bannon was, if you remember. after 2017, he's trying to go to Europe. and become this like right wing king maker. - Yeah. And. - Turn Europe into this, you know, right wing utopia.

And he, he's often working with Epstein. to Epstein's connecting him to all these guys. But then he is also giving him all this advice about like. how he's gonna, you know, his public image. And, and then he is like, when Ehud Barak wants to run. for Israeli prime minister again, he. and Epstein, like Bannon. and Epstein are talking about working like Bannon. wants to work for Barack. - Right. - Like to support Barack,

which is like wild also, right? Yeah. And he has successfully dodged a lot. of the scrutiny around this. I think I, and I think it's. because there's no evidence that he was like partying, partying with the guy. or involved in like, that part of the pr. Right. - He was just kind of having some, I don't know, advising him to whatever. - Degree. Yeah. He's, but he's in like, because he, I think he correctly understood. how powerful a role he was playing in the world at. that point, which is what so many people like deny.

as a, as a reality. - Do you think there's any chance. that Jeffrey Epstein isn't dead? - No. Oh. That, that would be wild though. That that'd be a nice, that'd be a nice ending to this. Be. - Like, I was told by someone tell, I was told. by someone very high up that it was, that they didn't think this was the case, but there's a small possibility. that he's living on Wexner ass estate in. Ohio because it's so big. - Just I would, I would assume they'd kill him again if.

- Interesting. - Like, what's the point of letting him live the. old Right, right. The old double. - Yeah. Okay. - Like, alright, that's a good point. Hey, we saved your life. We're. taking to Wexner to the state. Oh. And then we're killing you right here. - Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Right. They don't want him, he's, he's dangerous. They can't have him around. He knows too much. He. - Certainly, he certainly knows enormous. Like if, if as a reporter it's been, it's been interesting. to get such a window into the type of machinations.

that are usually shielded from the public. - Right? - He, yeah. He, he had, there were. so many things he could have shed light on. - Do you think this scandal, and I, I think it does. But would you agree that this really sheds light on the way. the world actually works in a way. that maybe no other scandal has before? - I think so. - Send memory. - Yeah. And I think when he was arrested in 2019, people got the, got this hope that they were gonna get. that look at the way the world actually works,

and then it was slammed shut. And now the window is kind. of being forced back open a little bit. But I do, I do think that's right. I think that I, this is the way that this Davos set. operates globally, and the, the more we know about it, the better. But. - Would you, would you say that this is also the way. that countries like Russia operate and China. and all of these big powerful countries? - Yes. I think because we are,

because we in Western Europe are, you know, nominally democratic. - Yeah. - We have a slightly greater need. for people operating in the shadows. - Right. - Whereas I think that, you know, paradoxically, Russia and China can be a little bit more explicit about. how they're gonna manage their operations, - Right? - Like, what are you gonna say about it? Right? Like, this is, this is what we're doing. - Right. Right. But I imagine that, you know, when he's back channelling. or supposedly trying to back channel with Putin. or back channel, like he, this is, this is a guy who's,

there's no one, he's working with everybody, - Right? Yeah. He immediately got Barack this like $2 million deal. with Victor Vekselberg big oligarch in Russia. Like as soon as he leaves the minister defence. positioning, he is like, I need. money. Like, I got your guy, - Right? - We're gonna, we're gonna hook you up with Renova. He's, he's tight with Putin. And it's like how, like what think you have. to think about like that that alone is like, he's tight. with the Clintons, he's tight with Trump, or it's falling out supposedly with Trump,

and he is tight with Putin. Like, what, how does that square with our understanding of. what they tell us the world is, - It's still tough. And you've done such a brilliant job of reporting. and I've read a lot of your stuff, it's still difficult. for me to fully understand how that becomes the case. Right? Yeah. It's still like when you say, oh, he's building connections doing that. I, and I'm he is clearly. - Right, - But it's still difficult for, to understand. how this happens in the sense of like,

you know, he seems to, you know, how many people in history do you think are, have been like Jeffrey Epstein are currently. like Jeffrey Epstein? Like how many Jeffrey Epstein's do we not know about? - Right? - Is he a one of one? Is he a one of a hundred? Is he who, how many people are, would you say. with that deeply connected. and you know, how does that, how many people?

- It's, it's a good question. because it takes decades. to build those connections up, right? And to build that, to build that trust up to, to get both sides to believe. that this person's gonna actually make this thing happen. You, you probably saw the one email that to me, there was actually two that were striking to me where. Putin wants to meet with Epstein at this conference. - Yeah. - He wants to meet him on the sidelines. of conference and, and Epstein tells Putin's aid.

No, you know, if, if Putin wants to meet, like it's gotta be at his palace. and like, we need to set sign significant amount of times. that we can really hash things out. - Right. - I'm not doing like a little brief catch up. - Right. - At this conference. And meanwhile he set up Barack. and I think it was Sarcozi, not Macron, and a banker in for dinner in Paris. And he just blows it off. Epstein's supposed to be there. He is like, I, I'm not feeling well. God only knows what he was doing instead that night. - Right. - But, but he, he's just blowing off presidents.

around the world and how, so. how many people in the world are doing. that? It can't be that. - Nick, didn't Nicholas Sarkozy have his own sex. scandal? Or am I completely wrong? - He's, yeah, and he's in, he's in prison right now for something. - I mean, so it's just, again, it's like this, he's this figure that is, you know, obviously he's a paedophile, he's a monster. He's trafficking women. What is this island?

You know, he's got this strange island. He's got Venetian symbols all over. It's like an odd, what is this, what role does this island play getting high level. scientists, people in the tech community to this island? What is this guy, you know, what is he doing? Is he, is that island? Do you think it's like a, a pleasure island. where these billionaires are going. and they're, you know, meeting underage people?

What is he doing with his island? - Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's definitely doing like. what we think he's doing, right? Like there's lots and lots of evidence of that. And I think it's a way to set yourself apart in. that billionaire class. Yeah. It's like, I've, you, you gotta have an island, - Right? - You gotta have jets, you gotta have a. helicopter, you gotta have an island. The ranch in New Mexico I think is like, serves some. of the same purpose, - Right? - But that's a little bit more pedestrian, like having your own island.

He also, as we found in the, a lot. of his correspondence was, was figuring out these like tax loopholes. and tax incentives for like these island based. biopharmaceutical. Like you can call something like a biomedical company, - Right? - And then all of a sudden you can move billions of dollars. through it and it's, and then, then it's completely laundered. And so, and people have not said, oh, like he does, he's not a real accountant. It's like, well, 'cause he wasn't a real accountant.

He was willing, I think, to break the law in a way. that other accountants wouldn't. So he, he was actually able. to find like genuinely innovative, quote unquote inno innovative solutions. for these billionaires to be like, Hey, the US Virgin Islands, you can move your money right here. and, and I know people and I can, I can shelter it here. And then all of a sudden now it's not taxable. And you also get these incentives. And so he's, he's constantly blending and, and as his survivors will tell you, he's, he was like often on the phone while he's like getting.

these, you know, starting with the massages. and move, moving into the abuse. So like people are often like, how did he have time. to like be a part such a global operator when he was also. like on, on a near daily basis of abusing girls. Right? It's like, well he was literally. doing them at the same time. - Right? - And you, you read his emails. If you've looked at some of those, there's not a single sentence that doesn't have, isn't shot. through with typos and grammatical mistakes. - Right? - Like you can, you can imagine him just like.

engaged in abuse. and just like firing off emails to like prime ministers. and arranging these meetings. And. - What, what do you think this, how does this shape. the political reality going forward. of the US Israel relationship? Does it have no impact at all? Is it, is there, is there a slight impact? Is there no impact? Does you know, 'cause that was one of the questions, obviously people are very unhappy about.

what Israel's done in Gaza. Yeah. And people are very happy about unhappy about people. like Miriam Addon and whatever. Do you think there's political diplomatic fallout from this. tranche of documents that's gonna come out where people go, you know, this is a, a damaging, you know, this is damaging the US Israel relationship? Or do you think it won't? - I mean, I, I think so. because I think eventually the rest.

of the press is gonna have to start reporting on the, the reality of it because it, it, it'll, it'll end up being similar. to the lab leak question actually, right? Where you, till still maybe. to this day do not have mainstream media approval. for the idea that COVID leaked out of the lab in Wuhan yet, if you do a survey of the American public, something like 80 plus percent I think at this point, maybe higher, are like, yeah, it, it came out of a lab.

And so even if, I think you could see the same shift here. Like even if the mainstream media refuses to touch any. of the like public information, public public documents. and correspondence that connect him to working on behalf. of Israel a year. or two from now, you poll the public, you know, was he working on behalf of Israeli interests? I think you'll get like a 70, 80%. Doesn't mean he was solely working on behalf of Israeli, but of course, but yeah, I, so I think.

that they won't be able to hold that back. And so it, and it, it coming in the context of. both the genocide. and also this like, insistence that you're not allowed. to criticise the genocide is just gonna add up. the, just too much. I don't know what I don't. - Yeah. - Like what, what political party is gonna be. unapologetically pro-ISIS Israel going forward? I ne neither of them really. - Yeah. It, it doesn't feel like it'll. be a popular position. Two more questions, and I appreciate you doing this.

Having done all the reporting you've done on, on Epstein, on. his connections on the extent. to which he was involved in in global politics. and the way that that network of people, you talked about X intelligence X you know, leaders of countries. Do you feel at a certain point, and again, this is asking you to kind of pontificate that.

that system is going, there's going. to be a threat to that system and that is that, that. because we have more. technology, we have a, a, a new media landscape, the, the, you can't control the narrative as much as you could. Is there going to be a threat to that system or, and I would be the cynic and say, not really. because they don't really care like that.

That's my thing. My thing is they don't care. They know that we know, we know that. They know that. We know. It doesn't, it doesn't seem to matter to them. Do you think it matters to them that. we can get millions of people to watch this. or listen to this or Rogan can get, do, do they care at all or not really? - I think it bothers them a little bit. because anything that they can't control unsettles them. I think that you're right.

that they still have things firmly under control, but they don't have everything under control. And so I think that bothers them. And I think, and it's no secret, I'm not a huge fan. of Donald Trump, but I think a lot of the public thought. that Donald Trump was actually gonna be. a threat to this system. - Well that's, and I think it's yeah, - Been extremely demoralising to people. to see the opposite come about, to see him be an obstacle after this. - What do you make of, of j JD Vance out of curiosity? - Well, he, since he's not connected to this,

he could at least make hay out of it, right? Yeah. But I think he's probably boxed in. because he can't get ahead of Trump on this. So he's kind of stuck as well. You know, he can speak in generalities. and now he's probably unleashed a little bit now. that Trump has been pressured into releasing the files. So he can, but. before that he had to like walk this fine line. where he wants transparency, but he can't contradict his boss either. What I think what do you, yeah, how do you think he's handled this? - Well, I think he's in this interesting position, right?

Because he has, he's gotta have loyalty to Trump, but I also think. that he's seeing his own political aspirations get. negatively impacted by this, right? I mean, that's obvious. So I don't really know. But it seems to me that he's in a, a weirdly untenable position. 'cause Trump's not running again and Trump's old. and Trump's made his money. I mean, and I don't know, you know, I don't know. what exactly how far he'll dis I don't know.

how damaging this gets. That's the real question, right? How bad does it get for the White House? And then is JD willing to go, Hey, not me. You know? You know, final thing, there have been lots and lots. and lots of, there's been lots. of speculation about two events. Now I know that, I don't know how much you've looked into. any of these events. One was the Assem attempted assassination on Donald Trump.

The second is the, the assassination of Charlie Kirk. These have inspired lots of discussion across. multiple platforms with many high level people weighing in. And they've caused massive, you know, problems within the conservative movement. And they're, and, and, and even to a lesser extent, but even, you know, on the other side, you have, I think,

certain fishers over issues like this. where you, you know, have people that are accused of. conspiracy mongering and doing it for profit. And you have people that are like, well, no, I'm gonna ac accept the official narrative of, of the FBI, which is now being run by Cash Patel. And, and I think you, you, you find a lot. of people somewhere, like I find myself in the middle. of not being an investigative journalist,

but also having no faith in K Patel. and the FBI on those two issues. Where would you put yourself. - In? I've, I've actually found it really interesting that the, the, in the two cases, like the one, the Charlie Kirk one. to me does actually seem pretty straightforward. I like, I like there the, the FBI bungled it from start to finish, - Right? - And some of it is like weird, but it does seem like to me, like what looks like. to have happened, like mostly to,

to me is right, is what happened. Whereas on the Butler one with Trump, that is a complete mystery, right? Like it's a ghost of a person. who doesn't exist on social media for the most part. Nicks the guy's ear from. and climbs up there casually from 150 yards out. And that one is the one that was just kind of moved. Everyone's kind of moved on and from it, but, and instead focuses on the Kirk one. That, that, that, that part to me is, is, is kind.

of an interesting, that's not how I would've expected them. - To take out. And Trump never really brings it up. - Yeah. And because I guess they never were able to, like. if it would've been a liberal kid then, or, or even if it had been a right wing kid, right? Like you need something there was with nothing to grab onto. - Does Israel bomb Iran before the midterms? - They certainly want to, right? They're, they're, yeah, they're, they're agitating Netanyahu.

will be here on Monday for what? His sixth trip. - What do they have on why, why is the president. so docile when it comes to Benjamin Netanyahu? - I don't know it, he doesn't seem to like, like him interpersonally. No. Like when you look at their body language, right? And yet, and it's, it's a, it's, it's truly amazing. I actually, I saw your clip about him and Miriam Addon. and which was still delightful. It is lovely that. - They have built such, I mean they are friends. Here's the thing with him and Miriam, they're just buds.

You can tell, they, you can tell he actually likes, there's very few people you can tell Donald Trump actually. likes, I think he really likes Miriam Madson. - I, I think, I think he is also, - Yeah. - I think he's also amused by her and by her late husband's. - Yeah. - Like obsession with Israel. Yeah. He's always, he always like negs them about it. Like, - Yeah - Man, you really love Israel. It's like the only thing you care about, isn't. - It? Yeah. Yeah. It just seems very interesting to me. that he's such a, you know, you know, like,

you know, wildly unpredictable guy on every. single issue except this one issue. Like he's been for and against things. He'll go, we're doing this, we're not gonna do it. I like this person. I don't like this person. He gets fued quickly. He fires people, but he loves Miriam Adelson. - I mean, he's got 250 million reasons in counting. - That's right. - Yes. His whole selling point was that wasn't who he was.

And it's like, we can't even get that. - Is anyone gonna be the president when. that's not who they are? - I don't know if it's, if like, right. I guess the whole problem with, you know, he was. so over leveraged. and struggling in 2016, like he wasn't an actual billionaire. So we need, we need some actual billionaires, I guess if we're gonna. - That's what you've, you've heard it here first. Ryan Grims, more billionaire leaders. - More billionaires, - More billionaires.

Well let's en enjoy the. - Holiday poll in one place. We can put bars around the place. - Happy New Year. Where can people follow your work? You're doing some of the best reporting right now in the. country on this. - That's Yeah. Very kind of you. Yeah. Yeah. We're at Drop, we're at drop site news.com. and then, you know, Monday through Fridays we're, we're putting up shows at breaking points, but yeah, we're, we're reader, reader funded. So lemme put in a plug Reader funded over at drop site. So if you can, everything is free, but if you can become a subscriber.

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