#244 - Dobrik's Death Count | The Tim Dillon Show

ladies and gentlemen welcome to the tim. dillon show here back in the studio. after a. long sabbatical of doing podcasts on the. road big news david dobrik having a very. tough week. uh for those of you who don't know uh. david dobrik. uh who's a big youtuber he's like the. biggest youtuber. uh david dobrik recently i don't know if. he's the biggest youtuber but he's big. one of the biggest he runs an empire. right. david dobrik recently shot up a massage.

parlor. and killed eight people this is truly. tragic most of them asian he shot. he shot a lot of asian people in a. massage parlor. and in response to that dollar shave. club. has ended their relationship with david. dobrik. which makes sense because shaving. massage parlor so david dobrik he.

murdered what six asian people. and now this is this is and it's not. funny. because none of this is funny but look. at his eyes right there it's the eyes of. a killer. he went into a massage parlor where was. it. atlanta and shot. a bunch of people now this is so strange. because everyone's like he's usually. giving people lamborghinis. or he's usually i don't know what he.

does but he gives away gifts and he. tells people he loves them but this was. very out of character from. and in response to this dollar shave. club has dropped him. now he apologized now in fairness david. dobrik put out a three-minute video. saying he apologized it was let's talk. and david dobrik's video can we play it. yeah we can play it are we allowed to. play it let's play. david dobrik apologizing for shooting.

asian people. uh in the atlanta massage parlor. and this is this is and. and i i respect that he apologized for. this because this is. something that i was shocked uh when i. heard that he did this. but not that shock because it always is. the ones that are always. giddy isn't it always the ones that are. happy. and i don't know that it was a racially. motivated shooting i think it was. because.

what was it it was something about sex. work uh i think david had a sex. addiction. and but why why kill the people at the. massage parlor i don't understand i was. tempted by them they were maybe. masturbating him masturbating other. gentlemen. and uh he's a christian man he said so. so this is a rage killing where he's. david dober killed get the numbers up of. how many eight people. he killed six asians he killed six. asians and then two whites. and people are saying it's maybe. racially motivated but.

more the facts are that david dobrik. just shot a bunch of you know sex. workers. because he was angry so now this is and. then and. and listen i don't like advertisers. dropping people. but i understand why dollar shave club. did not want to advertise on david. dobrik's show after he. shot eight people in atlanta this is. david dobrik's response. and listen i commend him for saying he's.

sorry it takes a. a man to say you're. sorry after you've done this here is. david dobrik apologizing. for shooting eight people is this before. he was arrested or. when was this i don't believe he's been. arrested for this no no no he has a lot. of clout. keep going this is david dobrik. apologizing i don't think he needs to be. arrested i think this is pretty. heartfelt. hey guys it's david um i want to come on. here real quick and address some. conversations that have been going on.

on the internet yes um i you know i've. made over 600 videos. okay and i've made a bunch of tick tocks. vines instagram stories tweets the whole. thing. yeah um and i'm obsessed with what i do. i love being able to. make and they shouldn't take away from. that listen. the fact that he murdered these people i. believe separating the art from the. artist. so i don't believe that the fact that he. just shot these people in the face. in atlanta should take away from all the.

tick tocks and vines. and youtube videos he's done do you. understand. i'm not unreasonable any hole still a. good movie is my point. continue all that i want to do. um that being said consent is something. that's. super super important to me whether i'm. shooting with a friend. or shooting with a stranger i always. make sure that whatever the video i'm. putting out i have. the approval shooting with the gun so. he's basically. saying i think what he's saying is he.

knows it wasn't consensual that he shot. those people. and it's very different than some of the. pranks or the content he's done. where people say please shoot me you can. shoot me in the leg. you're david dobrik let's put it out. just put me in the description. but what he's saying now is i those sex. workers in the spa. did not consent to being shot because. this was a prank. i don't know if you. i don't know if you it's our last.

episode on youtube don't worry about it. but i don't know if you know that but. this was a prank that he was doing. where he was gonna he went into the spa. and he wanted to shoot eight people. as a as a prank as kind of a goof. and then those people were. going to get up covered in fake blood. and he was going to give them. lamborghinis but. what ended up happening was you could. take his word for tonight there were.

actually real bullets in the gun. and he was standing outside the spa with. lamborghinis. and then nobody showed up and they were. all they were all actually dead. so he was very upset like he walked in. and he was like guys. what is how are we gonna give them. lamborghini and somebody because david. you actually killed them while they were. actually dead and he's like. oh oh boy. i got to make a i want to make up a. video about that. about killing of the people so let's. let's let's hear him out let's give him. the time of day. from that person um and i also.

acknowledge that. those times where a person can change. their mind and. they decide that they no longer want to. be associated and no longer want to be. in the video. and then i'll take the video down and. there's also been moments. where i've looked back on videos and i. realized that. these don't represent me anymore and. they're hurtful to other people and i. don't. i don't want them up because i've grown. you know as a content creator and as a. person and i.

don't agree with some of the videos i've. posted. um with the seth situation i'm sorry. because i was like i said i i would just. want to make videos. where everybody in it you know whether. you're participating or watching is. enjoying and having a good time. well you can't kill people in the spa. what is he talking about this seth. situation no. i mean you're a producer can you look. this up the seth situation he's saying. something about seth.

let's see here. a man has accused him of something named. seth. a woman featured on youtube starred. david dobrik's channel says she was. raped by a vlog squad member in. 2018 the night they filmed a video about. group sex.

uh that's not good article includes. quotes claiming dobrik asked vlog squad. members. jason ashton purchased alcohol for the. woman as they were under 21 and could. not purchase it for themselves. oh listen i don't get into the youtube. thing because it's not my world and i. don't i don't like to pile on people and. i know that. there's a prank where he has someone. kiss uh. he has someone kiss a yeah it's like a. surprise she thinks she's kissing. someone else and she ends up. kissing another person well no it was a. guy who kissed another guy right right. right.

but here's my question why is this. overshadowing the fact that he shot. those people. do you do you understand what i mean. like what's going on. can you explain to me i think people are. it's a it's we're still in the midst of. the me too movement kind of. yeah so i think people might just be. more upset am i. am i making a mistake here. david dobr killed the people in atlanta. right.

i don't think i don't think so. i wait a minute are you telling me that. let me see can you please google david. dobrik. murdering the people in atlanta and i'll. see that i'm right okay. david dobrik murders asians in atlanta. murders asians murders asians in atlanta. atlanta correct hold on. [Music].

this is saying someone else did this. hmm is this how strong his pr team is. that they're just not going to hang this. on another guy like they found a patsy. maybe or. i could have been certain that he did. this. where am i getting that if it's not true. i don't want to spread misinformation. but i'm. almost positive that david dober killed. these people.

see atlanta atlanta. massacre david dobrik okay atlanta. google that. atlanta massacre david dobrik did it. did it did it david dober did it atlanta. massacre any. any combination of those words they're. talking about sexual assault here. it's murder he murdered these people. did he sexually assault the victims or. that's a great question.

was this unrelated was david dobrik down. there sexually assaulting people. and then another guy murdered them. i don't know what's going on and i want. someone to explain it to me and i'm. unhappy. i'm not some rube hmm. all right this has gone on long enough. we're gonna get in. probably trouble for that i think david. dobrik's maybe a few weeks from coming. on this program is that. i think i'm maybe i think i'm.

overestimating his problems. by saying that is it bad i know dollar. shave club is out. how bad is it is it bad enough where he. could come on here. is it that bad yet he wants to have a. tonight show like jimmy fallon. his hero he wants to do a tonight show. and interview like tana mojo or people. like that about. their day how's your day. and i i hope he's still able to do that.

even though he murdered those people. i believe in second chances like christ. i went on a date the other day here in. texas with a gentleman who told me that. his. uh he was younger in his 20s because my. uh my when i told my parents i was gay. every story of these gay guys in texas. is like terrifying. when they came out um he said when i. told my parents i was gay they did it my. mother did an exorcism on me. we were eating crepes outside in a crepe. place and i was like horrified.

and i went what he goes yeah but i. didn't care i was high as [ __ ]. i was like well that's still very. disturbing to hear he goes bats whatever. so like what did they so like literally. he's just high as [ __ ]. and his mother's like doing some crazy. exorcism on him. to get the gay out of him one kid. uh dude not kid let me be careful here. the [ __ ] you know. comedy police one gentleman was like. college age like a little older. was like um when i came out of the.

closet. my father took me on a ride and told me. i was going to burn in hell. it was like so everybody has these crazy. stories. um it's wild and i remember that. because my parents did it in a very. different way. but it was as it was as. detrimental to me and and it was as. i i considered violent when i told him i. was gay my. my my i remember my father saying to me.

there. there was a hundred dollars on the. mantle this afternoon it's not here now. so it's really minimizing what i was. going through and i said. i don't understand what that has to he. goes there was a hundred dollar bill. on the mantle for the cleaning lady. terry it's not there now it's gone. do you know anything about that i said i. don't i don't know anything about i. don't i don't know why we're even. discussing this. but it was a way to not acknowledge me.

as a person. you understand it was a way to minimize. me to otherize me. to make me not feel like a human being. you know and that that to me i'll always. remember so i always tell the people. that i. i my father just brought up some crazy. non-sequitur like there's oh there's. money missing. what i don't know doesn't make any sense. to me. but it is kind of crazy when you when. you meet people that had these uh wild.

experiences people have gone through. exorcisms and. we just saw rogan's new club that he's. opening in texas it's going to be. amazing. truly amazing it's going to be really. wild you know. and i was arguing with him about austin. real estate this morning. i was saying hey man it's a little bit. of a bubble to overvalued he's like no. it's not. you know we go back and forth like i get. it it is a cool place to live. but you know it's a little bit of a. bubble here i think i'm looking at.

houses now. you walk in there's 10 houses 10 offers. on every house. two of the offers are algorithms they're. not even people. like an algorithm is offered to buy this. house i'm like oh good. it just gets uh but i get to uh talk to. a lot of real estate uh. professionals and what's great about. realtors. is that like ben was dealing with these. realtors who do rentals and stuff and. it's like. they're not even full-time realtors so. you're calling them. they're at their other job they're like.

trying to get into real estate. it's like you're calling them going hey. we sent over all the documents they're. like bagging groceries. at a heb or whatever the store is here. and they're like yeah yeah good good. we're making it happen. uh they're not even realtors yet they're. they're in the process of becoming. real estate agents like they have a. license but they don't have any clients. and no money. so you're calling people that are just. doing something else they're like. nannying for a child and you're calling. them and you're like hey we're making. this happen right they're like.

yeah yeah yeah and then like a child's. vomiting on them. and they have to then change the child. because that's their day job that's the. money they make. you know and then a lot of these. realtors seem. to have brain injuries uh. traumatic brain injuries many of the. women um they seem. to have autoimmune disorders. they're very sloth-like creatures uh. they kind of collapse into the couch. they stare at you. um uh.

when ben comes in i always mention his. wife so they don't think we're gay so. they don't like. not sell the house to [ __ ] or jack it. up. good good idea if you want to come here. and be [ __ ] you're going to pay. you'll pay but i was like ben and his. wife moved here and then. when ben leaves the room i look at the. realtor and i go i still suck. so it throws her because that's a. negotiation strategy. but no i mean the realtor we spoke to. today was a lovely woman who's. you know probably was in a car accident.

i mean this woman. she's she's very sweet. but the type of sweet that someone is. when they didn't get enough oxygen at. birth. you know what i mean where it's like. they're just kind of. now i may lose the house because of that. now but that's okay. comedy first comedy first but i hope to.

get it i'm i'm really excited. it's not that expensive and it's it will. be uh. reasonable um. but i want to make sure that i can put. in a pool because i like to swim. and that is my exercise dan carney just. got an apartment at like this uh you. know where kids live these 24 and not. kids. real people live there too these places. were like. you have everything you need by the way. is there. is there anything worse than a human.

being. who moves into an apartment complex and. says this they go you got everything you. need. okay. you got a whole foods as. a teacher well what do you need. you got everything you need what the. [ __ ] wrong with you. i need much more than that i need more. than a [ __ ] whole foods and a place. to get socks. there's a gym and a pool.

and whole foods you have. everything you need. what about for your soul. this basic [ __ ] culture of erecting. these. [ __ ] like cheap wood. plastic crap apartment buildings. and then putting them next to a [ __ ]. tj maxx. so you can go in and buy underwear and. they're going you got everything you.

need why would you leave. everything's here why would you leave. and meet. people and experience other things. everything that you ever needed is here. in the pod. and then carney talks about it goes my. unit. like he doesn't even say his apartment. he goes my. unit he goes the unit doesn't have. washington draw i'm like. you shut the [ __ ] up the unit. the you i am in the unit and then he. tells me because i'm facing the pool.

which is much better than facing the. what are we doing here life should be. about more than this. life should be about more than that i. understand a creature comforts matter. i understand convenience matters i get. it. but using the phrase everything you need. makes you sound like a basic [ __ ]. nobody who just needs so little.

that you can live on the side of a. highway and have. socks and [ __ ] peanut butter and. that's. everything you need what are you talking. about. i need culture i need. people to fake their own death i need. people that go to bars. instead of spending time with their. family i need tragedy. i need people reliving traumatic. experiences from their youth.

i need people that were in cults that. are. trying to get out of them or getting. into other ones. i need people that have brain injuries. trying to sell me houses. i need things i need more than an. apartment complex which is. [ __ ] 20 30 something staring at each. other. he goes i made a friend there he's a. music manager. my unit endless he's a good kid and i'm.

happy he. has an apartment but this whole thing. this whole thing of like let's make life. into this boring [ __ ]. this hyper-consumerist horseshit where. is the. old woman who knows the secrets of the. universe. because she was kept in a cage for the. majority of her life. and she realizes that she was because. people loved her. she was angry at them for time but now.

she realizes that they. were trying to keep her safe where's. that woman. where are the people who've come out of. jail and realized that jail is the only. fair place left in this country. where are they they're not in your unit. are they at the pool where are the. characters. the people that have the courage to say. that donald trump was too liberal. where are they oh do they provide you a.

free continental breakfast. do you get free sure we went and looked. at a at a unit in l.a. steve steve bings and that was a basic. [ __ ] building too but for rich people. but i only considered living there. because i thought i might get the unit. where steve bing. flung himself out of the window because. i wanted to kill myself. from the same unit and because. just the idea of the person the in-house.

sales team. having to show the unit again and going. [Music]. i mean we we don't even go into this but. steve bing and then also tim dillon. killed himself from this exact window. that's funny to me because then it's a. cursed apartment and then i have a. legacy. but these basic [ __ ]. little [ __ ] you know. complexes he's like you got to come see.

my spot man it's pretty cool. oh is it is it pretty cool we can go. walk around whole foods and get bananas. oh is it cool wait me you and the music. manager hang out and get bananas. at the whole foods cause just everything. you need. well i need a little bit more. i need more. than that i'm just saying. everywhere i've lived there's been a uh. a lot of characters and i look at these.

new apartment complexes and they're. devoid. of any character anybody that's really. going to say something. cool yeah you know what i mean like. but i'm i'm happy for him and i'm happy. that there are people out there that are. you know he's doing good he's opening. for me he has a nice apartment it's good. i just i i have to live in a place where. people have traumatic brain injuries. i have to live in a place where people.

invent autoimmune disorders they do not. have. and medicate themselves for them i. that's just my rule. i have to live around glazed eyes. middle-aged women. who claim to have lupus and do not. that is where i must be i must not be. in um the little kearney complex. that's okay coming up on the program we. have uh katie. herzog and jesse's single.

signal s who cares they're nerds. anyway they're trying to [ __ ] with them. because uh. i don't know what happened uh they they. write about. well katie's been massively canceled. katie katie's very. funny but everybody hates her because. she's the only lesbian left in america. and people don't like that. they don't like that and i'm not a huge. fan of it either after my experience. with those two gals in the desert. but katie they write they they said that.

this guy jessie's harassing trans women. which he's not there's no proof of that. right he see i mean he just. wrote like maybe you know maybe a. seven-year-old shouldn't have you know. gender-reconstructive surgery and. everybody went hey you're a nazi and you. know how it goes. they don't like any of these people. whether it's andrew sullivan or. greenwald or anything. but i think katie herzog's really funny. and you like kitty herzog i love katie. and and what's funny is the side by side. of you and katie there's no difference. so yeah so we have them on and we have a.

little bit of fun with them and we talk. about sub stack which is like a patreon. for writers. um and uh for those uh members of the. patreon we owe you a raw child episode. that's our higher tier the rothschilds. we're doing a two-hour video episode. we're gonna put it out which will. include. uh last month and this month every all. the other patreon members you shouldn't. be angry with us because we gave you an. extra episode. we did an extra thing for you and listen. to this i'm announcing this. nobody knows this ben is coming down to.

omaha nebraska and we are doing a. special. uh i think we're going to try to do it. maybe outside the franklin credit union. oh wow the building that you from the. franklin scandal if you're a fan of the. show for a long time. you know that uh the uh who took johnny. documentary. and the franklin scandal uh you know. that me and ray comp covered. because we're journalists uh we're going. to go down oh my brisk and i i want to. go. see all of the different places where. uh from that scandal like visit the.

credit union we're going to look. i mean we might even try to get i don't. know that we're going to do it because. now i'm going to say it and cia's going. to kill us. but harold anderson who's the publisher. of the omaha world herald which is a cia. magazine uh the newspaper and they just. you know. uh he had this barn where they were. supposed to be sacrificing. kids i mean it's really crazy but i. don't know if we'll be able to get near. that. but maybe should we put out there a. thing like if it. because we're gonna get so many trolls. but should we're gonna get so many.

trolls. so many trolls if i make this. announcement. but should we put out there a thing like. if you know anything about the franklin. scandal and you're in omaha. should we interview you yeah i guess but. we're it's gonna be hard. it's gonna be hard to sift through i. mean. the emails i get i mean it's like. yeah yeah it's gonna be maybe we'll put. the kibosh on that. maybe we don't want that maybe we. actually do not want that. maybe we'll just do it ourselves maybe.

we'll drive to iowa and try to get. noreen gosh but i mean. she's i have a lot of respect for her. but she you know she's played her tune. on this show before. i just don't know what what is there. anything new could be some updates. it's a bit of cold case since like 73. yeah. how many updates are gonna be or 83. whatever it was update on johnny maybe i. don't know. if johnny gosh is alive right now and. doing stand-up comedy he should be going. back to being raped. how about that can i go on record and.

say that. if johnny gosh is doing a one-man show. right now he should go back into the. cage. no but i think he's alive and if he is. alive does he watch the program. of course he does why wouldn't he that's. the other thing. you can't you live in one of these uh. complexes with these young professionals. you bring up mk ultra everyone looks. like you like they don't know what it is. who wants to live in that environment. you bring them back to they go what is.

that uh. is that like a song by a mortal. technique perhaps. it might be but it's something else as. well. um oh you said two hour by the way it's. three hours that we. we gotta do for the ross you're getting. through why we haven't missed. i i think they're claiming that we. missed december is that. true i don't know because we there's a. reason we did a four half hour thing in. in in december. who is we already told them three we. told you young.

is he leading these people oh the young. he's a great cartoonist i saw him. he's i believe leading some type of. insurrection he's leading a capital riot. of the rothschilds and telling us we owe. them all this stuff. let's negotiate young don come to the. table. and let's negotiate stop riling. everybody up young don. you're a sauce god we have respect for. you but come to the table and negotiate.

what do we owe these people nine hours. of content i thought we were doing. episodes for them. what happened it was a crazy three. months i mean we moved who's saying. stop with the excuses no one cares who's. saying we missed the episode. the some of the raw child people is it. the sauce god. the sauce god has claimed we we owe. three hours yes. i mean this is a real problem this young. time. who is this guy get him up you're. talking about uh this guy.

let me see if i can find him dom. is it the sauce god is that his name. something. yeah yeah this guy this guy young don is. he a cartoon or is he a person. he he makes cartoons about his life i. watch some of them there no they're. amazing he's very talented. but he's leading us some type of uh. insurrection on the patreon. of the royal child here the higher tier. we'll give them. sauce god call off the dogs we'll give. you your [ __ ] content. this is him where is he skiing all the.

time. this guy what is he just skiing i guess. so. let's see let's get the photos of him. skiing these right here. i've never skied in my life. keep going down. he's a pretty cool guy he's the most. yeah he's a very cool dude very cool. he's very cool he's probably the coolest. fan of the show that we have. although future is also a fan he's like.

jacked. that's not jacked you don't know what. jacked is it's a six-pack if i took my. shirt off i'm i look exactly like that. but. i'm more defined oh enough young dom. please really showing off here oh god we. get it. is that you're upset that i don't have a. raw child episode while you're doing. that. you're upset you can't hear my voice. while you're [ __ ] doing push-ups. in the middle of venice beach wherever. the hell are you doing all right. we got to do this rock child for these. people because this guy's.

going to kill us with his [ __ ] abs. this guy is the best-looking cartoonist. i've ever seen most cartoonists when i. had a meeting in nickelodeon it's all. 700. pound pedophiles in there it's. pedophiles whose dicks don't even work. in nickelodeon. they're just they're only sexual. attractions to cereal. um so we're gonna do the two and a half. hour. rothschild we're gonna do that so. everybody relax there we're gonna be. fine. and i wanted to close by saying this.

before i do the interview i. support david dobrik. i think he was wrong he shot those. people but. he's always seemed to me like a guy that. will make it right. i don't like to pile on the piling on. you know of what's happening people just. pile onto him a lot of people piled on. a lot of people and all he did. was make his friend make out with a dude.

and i maybe film a woman being raped. now that does sound quite bad. but i don't know if he did any of that. all i know is that he shot six asian. people. and two whites and in response to that. he's lost. the the partnership with dollar shave. club. you're more than welcome on the david.

david. if you think things are bad now and you. want them to get worse. we're always here for you for any of you. anybody who's in this cancellation storm. and you want to come on here and talk. about. why the royal family killed princess. diana. this is the venue for you come on in.

no problem it's not a big deal. i'm sure it'll work out fine i gotta go. perform now. some of these audiences in austin have. been great some of them are soft. some of these austin city comedy. audiences have been soft. suburbs are great cap city was in the. suburbs they're great you draw from. people drive 45 minutes an hour to get. there. great some of these austin audiences are. just cool people. you know women with full sleeve tattoos. you know.

to me it's hey i don't want that. i'm a suburbs boy unless i'm in new york. city i'm a suburbs kid. so uh i just you know some of these. audiences have been soft and it's been a. little. it's been a little disappointing for me. but ben and his wife came to no shows. which i appreciate. that was very sweet of you oh can we. come to one tonight though oh. i asked you if we could get tickets but. you're all sold out i'm sure we could. shove you somewhere.

we'll see perhaps we'll see maybe you. come to the late show tonight yeah cause. i got to edit this thing yes. maybe i'll i'll text you there's no. pressure it's. you know again these audiences some of. them have been great last night late. show was great. early show was okay thursday was like. and they're all having a good time it's. just there's 350 people in the sea. in a theater that seats 1200. uh it's. they've taken out all the people so that. uh we've killed the energy of the show. and also it doesn't.

help at all against covet so that's very. important to me is that we have both of. those things. happening at once but um. without further ado she's the last. lesbian in the united states of america. he is being accused of harassing and. waging a campaign. to harass trans women uh and they both. deny those things please welcome uh. katie herzog. and whatever his name is who cares. we'll do a quick ad break and then the. bluetooth unique online service that.

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final one. uh and jesse signal i believe i'm. pronouncing that right uh. single single but that's okay single. they are call them whatever you want. yeah it doesn't matter i i can i've. read on twitter i'm allowed to um tell. us what's going on. jesse you take the lead on this because. this does seem to deal with you. sub stack is like a patreon for writers. for people whose fan bases can. fund their journalistic endeavors and. there's a lot of people. that are angry with you that you are.

being platformed by. sub stack and they're throwing out all. of these accusations. that you are harassing and stalking. trans. journalists but those accusations don't. seem to be substantiated by. any facts or data that anyone has. presented and yet everyone goes we have. the receipts. but we haven't really seen any receipts. yeah so this uh this stuff goes back a. few years katie and i met because we. both wrote articles about d. transitioners you know that's people who.

transition their gender. and decide to transition back if you. write about that issue in the wrong way. and you're a liberal which we both are. people are going to really go after you. so. you know in katie's case they literally. okay they like burn stacks of the paper. when you wrote that right. yeah they burn sex the paper they put up. uh stickers around seattle with a. picture of my face calling me a nazi. sympathizer. which she is that's a separate issue. that has nothing to do with this um. yeah but in my case. i think it's like they go at you.

differently if you're male or female. in my case these weird sort of sock. puppet accounts started popping up. on twitter suggesting uh like trying to. contrive some sort of me too incident. um you know everything from allegations. of dick pics ending. even though i've never sent a dick pic. because i know no one wanted no one my. girlfriend doesn't want to see my dick. i'm not sending anyone and you don't. have one. and i don't have one um yeah to her you. know accusations that i sent harassing. dms. this was mostly random people on twitter. and i ignored it because i.

while this [ __ ] is going on i'm a. professional journalist i'm writing a. book i'm trying to do my job. it got escalated when some bigger name. writers one named nicole cliff who. writes for slade another name. jude doyle who's um like a well-known. feminist writer they just sort of. you know blasted to their platforms that. um that this stuff is true and the most. recent thing that happened was. people are mad that i'm on sub stack and. i'm doing pretty well on there although. i'm not one of the superstars so jude. doyle wrote a piece saying that i am. well known for stalking trans women that. was the exact term that was used.

stalking. um and then another another person named. brianna wu did a tweet saying. uh this was great and katie helped me. out with this she said what was it. phrasing kid it was basically like i. have the receipts i know this stuff is. true. but i'm not going to say what the. receipts are i'm not going to say it and. katie quickly got some people to offer. i think we're up to 60 000 now uh if. brianna wu can. can show the receipts that i had done. any of this so. you know it's just been an example of. how if you're a journalist and you write.

about certain issues in the wrong way. people. will really go after you and i think. social media. makes it easier to napalm someone's. reputation than it was. 15 years ago it does seem to be an. escalation. from uh this person is problematic or. this person shouldn't be. able to write uh to this person is a. monster this person is a stalker this. person is a harasser this does seem to. be. kind of an escalation of what we've. previously seen where they just go this. person shouldn't have a platform.

uh these accusations uh. seem to be um. an attempt to paint you as. a criminal yeah i mean it's like no. stockings. literally yeah it's a crime it's more. than just like. hey this guy has the wrong opinions it's. this guy's dangerous. he's following you home at night if he. disagrees with you. and he not only should he not have a. platform um. how do you combat this do you call a.

lawyer what do you do. you know that's the extreme end of stuff. you can do. i i don't think anyone would begrudge me. doing that at this point. i'd like to avoid that so what i. basically do is i'll just to the extent. possible i'll fight back online i did. one sub stack post just. showing how over the years all these. weirdos have spread these rumors. i did another one um i think people are. starting to get it a guy named john k at. coolett just did a whole long article. just compiling. all this crazy stuff that's been going. on for years and.

i've gotten a big wave of support you. know it's just. the whole point of this is to like so. doubt in your mind. so the next time a piece of mine is. rejected because i still want to write. for mainstream outlets or the next time. i don't get. you know journalists get fellowships or. whatever you'll never know if you're. getting rejected because. your application sucked which maybe it. would or because of these [ __ ]. rumors and i think. that's what it's designed to do it's. designed to punish you for writing. something you're not supposed to write. about. i love this idea that jessie is like is. stalking these women because he has some.

sort of sexual. obsession with them when if you know. jesse his version of stalking someone. would be to walk up behind them and tell. her why she is wrong. there wouldn't be anything sexual about. it right it would just be. it would just be a pedantic you got this. study wrong this yeah. tapping women on the subway being like i. think you're doing feminism wrong stuff. like that yeah yeah. normal stuff yeah what now katie herzog. katie has been her staunch defender of. you uh which is katie's a real.

she's a real uh you know i mean she's. got nothing to lose that's the other. thing. it's like it's not exactly notifications. yeah. katie's reputation i mean katie's. reputation is like i mean jesus. but uh we love katie because she's very. funny and jude doyle used to be on the. comedy beat by the way thank she's off. that. he's off that sorry jude doyle is off. the comedy beat now. which is good because he used to write. articles about. like jokes he didn't like but now he's. bothering you which i am.

in full support of to be honest doesn't. affect me as much. what about because we i'm and i've. talked about this on the show i get. bored of the trans stuff. it's very boring to me a lot of trans. people kind of are nerds. a little bit not always but a lot of. them are products of online culture. which i kind of loathe. and not trans people but online culture. um. even though i have to function within it. um but i understand that this is a. topic right and i understand that this. is important i understand that.

uh why in your estimation. what is the bigger play here i mean it. doesn't seem to be simply about people. transitioning or living their lives. openly there seems to be a political. uh architecture that all these issues. fit into like. there there seems to be more going on. why is this. happening you know i watched a little. bit of what you did with greenwald katie. about how sexual identity.

has been expanded uh the lgbtq identity. has been expanded obviously trans people. always a part of that. but why is this happening now. and where does it lead so. this is a question that comes up a lot. and my theory. about why trans issues have taken up so. much space. uh within the cultural conversation. right now is because of the success of. gay marriage. so in 2015 after the supreme court.

legalized gay marriage. all this infrastructure existed to. support this one cause there was. ma there were organizations and media. outlets all over. the country that were really dedicated. to fighting for for same-sex marriage. and after that was legalized in 2015. those organizations pivoted. and they didn't they didn't say like you. know we won we can just like shut the. whole thing down now they said like all. right we're gonna pivot to the next. issue and the next issue for them was. trans rights. and you can see this and somebody sent.

me yesterday a graph. of uh of of of words like gay lesbian. bisexual and trans. tracked over time with the with glad. which is the gay and lesbian. something it's a group that tracks like. um anti-anti-defamation or something. what they track is like media coverage. of queer issues. and if you if you look over time you. know 10 years ago. most of their activism had to do with. gays and lesbians and you can see that. in just the language that they use in. their.

documents and over time it's really. flipped so it used to be. trans issues were a small part of this. and gay issues were a big part of it and. now. if you look at these at these graphs. trans issues are a huge part of what. they talk about and gay and lesbian. rights are a small part of what they. talk about in part because of the. success of this. this one major issue um and at the same. time the media has sort of followed suit. um so so this issue that really affects. a very small percentage of the. population has. has really taken on uh sort of an. outsized role.

in this like ongoing insane culture. where we're in the midst of right now. the. the one thing katie mentioned that i. want to emphasize is like the difference. between the [ __ ] you see online. and then what the average trans person. you you're friends with or email with. sure that that's what drives me crazy is. because they create like all. people email me and they'll say trans. activism is crazy it's like. the [ __ ] you see on twitter is crazy. like the average trans person wants to. be left alone and to have access to. hormones if they want hormones and for. you know if you're a member of a group. where for decades people denied you.

the health care you wanted or they. kicked you out of your job or your house. you can understand how people get. defensive about that and none of that is. stuff where katie and i have any issue. it's just like. like you're saying this weird. concentration of media and twitter. [ __ ] just turns these. issues into just like [ __ ] cesspools. and i don't think that actually helps. anyone because. this isn't time any of us are spending. like talking about actual discrimination. or people getting kicked out of their. houses it's all just um. it gets really insane and detached from. the actual issues people have i also.

think there's there's something about a. generation of people that have been. digitally native. meaning that they've their formative. experiences are primarily online they. their relationships are primarily online. they're heavily influenced by what's. going on online. uh the way that you get friends online. or the way that you are able to get. clout or whatever word you want to use. is by being a member of a group or being. in. kind of an insular bubble and that would. be very different if your experiences. were in the real world where you were. just.

you know encountering vastly different. uh people. all the time whereas online you can kind. of draw a line uh draw a circle around. yourself and you go i'm a part of this. group or i'm a part of that group. and that's the way you have um you know. social interactions online that's the. primary way you do it is by. you know declaring yourself some i am. this thing. um and i know that abigail schreier went. on my friend joe rogan's podcast and. there was a big uh. to do about her you know kind of. basically saying hey.

there's a lot of people here that are. not experiencing. genuine gender dysphoria that this is. some other psychological thing. happening and just by positing that just. by saying that that's a possibility. um you know it was a major he got a lot. of heat for having her on um. you know why is there such a resistance. to that why if i was a trans person. i would not want a lot of other. i don't want people pretending to be gay.

there are men on stage. who claim to be bisexual they are not. they hook up with women they don't suck. dick. yet they know in this climate by saying. i've had bi. thoughts it endears them to a section of. the audience but it's like not i. am always a believer in being a real. [ __ ] you know like. i i was in florida i was i was [ __ ] a. guy in a pink hotel and i spent. four days complaining about the food and. speaking to management.

that is a real [ __ ] if you are not. going to be that you're a waste of. my time so if i was a trans person. i would want only real. genuine people that were trans in the. thing i'd be like i don't why is there. such a. why do we want like i'm a comedian i. only want real comics. being comedians i don't want a corporate. strategist who. impersonates trump or whatever like i. don't need that it doesn't i don't. begrudge them their success but when we.

talk about comedy and making people. laugh. i kind of want people that are actually. comedians. why is there such a like a open door. policy on like hey anybody come on in. well you you can't question anybody's. identity in this uh. in this era it becomes incredibly. problematic um. and it's really easy to fake some of. these things like. people probably aren't going to fake. their actual attraction like you might. say that you're queer because it's such. an ambiguous term. um you're probably if you're fake gay.

you're probably not gonna like actually. get into a relationship with a man and. settle down and buy a [ __ ] miata with. them or whatever but these. terms like queer and non-binary are so. ambiguous. that anybody can sort of adopt these. terms you don't actually have to change. your behavior. um and you get you get oppression points. and. people get mad when you say this but. like you can see from. the rash of people who have been busted. recently. um you know posing as a member of a. different race. so there have been these academics.

primarily academics for some reason. who you know are white people who have. who have. created these identities for themselves. rooted in some sort of race that they're. not actually a part of. if people are willing to do that like. that's hard to fake you gotta perm your. hair. you gotta tan you gotta get hoop. earrings or whatever. that's hard to do if you if you wanna. fake being queer non-binary all you have. to say is i'm queer non-binary. and you do get this sort of you know. people congratulate you you feel like. you're a part of something that's.

probably a big part of it is that people. feel isolated from rural communities. but there's this weird element because. like uh you're a lesbian. uh you're gay tim i'm jewish although. not religious if someone questioned me. and said you're not really jewish i'd be. like. okay [ __ ] you because i'm an adult with. a stable sense of self i. i think there's this thing especially. made with younger people where like. their identities are so fragile and you. know people will literally at this point. put their. mental illnesses in their twitter bio. and people so want to sort of be.

original and unique but in this very. pack play by numbers way and i just wish. people i don't know i'm trying to figure. out what's causing this i like to look. at things psychologically and i do think. people have a very fragile sense of self. and their only really validation is from. strangers on the internet which is a. very. unhealthy way to be if anyone says. you're not jewish just tell them you. go i look like a character from the. prince of egypt like i literally. what are you talking about like i look. like every. you look like the meme a little bit the.

happy merchant a little bit like. the idea that you're not jewish is. absurd. but he's italian he's actually italian. posing yeah i could be there. is it that this online culture has kind. of flattened everybody where you know i. talk about this all the time you meet. people under a certain age. um they're weird in person. they're more comfortable online they uh. they don't make eye contact they don't. really know how to speak to people. at a dinner they can't function um. a lot of these people i feel like a lot.

of their experiences are very uniform. because online culture. even though there are these diverse. bubbles everyone's talking about the. same things they're all in the same apps. it's. similar algorithms do you think that. people. are are just becoming dull and. boring and drones and their the lack of. real community and the lack of real. identifiable traits and characteristics. i don't talk about being gay a lot my. act it's not interesting everybody knows. that i am but. to me it's not interesting it's not 1987.

i'm not dying of aids on a floor. although i'm sure people would love that. i just um i gravitate towards what i. think is funny or interesting. i've never viewed someone who you [ __ ]. mattering like i know that it's mattered. and people have suffered horrible. discrimination for it but. i don't understand why we now believe. that that's what makes you an individual. is who you have sex with or. what gender you identify as to me it's. just the least interesting thing about. anybody i want to know. if you've run an insurance scam or have.

you ever considered faking your own. death i want to know. you know what your parents did for a. living and if you had an uncle that. found gold and a fjord in norway like. i don't know why we're just talking. constantly about these. really meaningless distinctions yeah but. in a lot of progressive communities like. the. trajectory has been the exact opposite. like you're a you're supposed to talk. about identity your identity all the. time. b if you experience any adversity even. online [ __ ]. you're supposed to act like you've been.

harmed horribly so. you know once in a while some dumb. teenager in like ohio will send me an. auschwitz meme or whatever it happens. if you're jewish online it happens to. you the idea that i'm going to give that. kid. which one is it the one with the i'm. kidding keep going. was that youtube holy [ __ ] uh but the. idea that i'm gonna give that kid power. some like [ __ ] up 17 year old power by. be like. oh my god this is a hate crime what am i. going to do especially when. you know it's like with gay people and. aids in the 80s there was. actual horrific anti-semitism having.

some idiot. tweet a meme at you on twitter is not. it's not it's nothing in the grand. scheme of history i don't understand. there's something about media culture. and academic culture right now. where it's gotten the point where people. will literally fake being black or. biracial so they can. it's so weird especially given how much. actual oppression there is in the world. that oppression just. doesn't really take place on twitter. what about it. yeah it just it comes down to like. tribalism. and you know sort of team sports and. turning and turning everything into in.

in our culture entities um into teams. like jesse said like someone can send. him an auschwitz meme and sometimes i. get auschwitz means because people think. because of my last name that i'm jewish. it's very flattering. um you know or or say that he's a you. know say that he's a stalker. and somehow it is more harmful for. someone like jesse. to push back on the rumor that he's a. stalker the defamation that he's a. stalker. um and he'll get accused of harassing. people for responding to these. to these [ __ ] claims whereas the act.

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hilarious between like these. mega corporations and woke culture this. seems to be like. the big dominant theme in in in you know. capitalist america right now is that. like. you have these uh companies like nike. that have literally slave labor. camps and china producing uh their the. shoes they sell. but they also are doing as much as they. can vocally to support all of these. different movements. it's very funny you know the woke. corporate ceos hilarious to me.

um other than it just being you know. kind of buffoonish and cartoonish. um it does seem to be a real danger. because you you have basically these. corporations that are like listen we. want to continue. with unfair labor practices paying. people low wages. we don't want to give anyone health care. we want to continually. [ __ ] on the middle class in this country. we don't mind. um you know making billions and billions. of dollars essentially on the backs of. people who are not paying fairly. as long as we engage in this.

performative activism and come down on. the right side. is this this weird unholy alliance. between. big business uh and and these. profit-driven enterprises. and this kind of you know virulent. strain of world culture. and does it enable those companies to. kind of continue doing what they're. doing and escape. a lot of criticism i mean i i think so. if i was someone who called myself a. leftist radical and my rhetoric was. completely indistinguishable from like.

raytheon and halliburton's diversity. statements i would i would ask certain. questions about that. a lot of this [ __ ] is just symbolic man. i mean if you focus all day on this. stuff or like putting it just. i watched an episode of madman they put. a disclaimer about how a guy was gonna. have blackface when anyone who watches. this episode knows the whole point is. this guy's an [ __ ] why is he in. blackface. these are symbolic moves that don't. really challenge power. in in any way and i i don't know there's. an. everyone uses the term performative but. that's what it is do you think any of. these companies would actually.

raise wages in a meaningful way or. improve their labor practices or not. you know employ slave labor in china. it's all it gets exhausting really. quickly i feel like. right you see the same thing in. education so you have these you know. private schools particularly private. high schools in places like l.a and new. york where they're going through this. very performative sort of diversity. trainings um. where you know teachers or students or. whoever are encouraged to sort of. confess their whiteness. when if if these schools actually this. is something caitlyn flanagan pointed.

out in the atlantic. these schools are mostly untaxed so if. you know they're sitting on. billion-dollar endowments and if they. actually wanted to do something to. address. inequalities or inequities in education. what they would do is. is is you know fight for for to revoke. their own uh. non-profit tax status or tax exemption. or they would give away their [ __ ]. endowment to the shitty public school. down the street but instead what they do. is like build another waterfall or a. theme park on their campus and then. bring in a diversity trainer.

it's all it's it's just performance. yeah it's it's it's wild to watch i. don't know where it. uh where it ends it's uh i tend to think. we all have five to seven years to make. money in the world out of here so. save your money no i mean i'm dead. serious about that and i've said this. before. i believe um and this is not any i don't. want to be right. about this i believe that if things kind. of keep going the way they're going. there's a small window of time that. people are going to have. to build fan bases online and then that.

too will be extinguished do you think. i'm being too dramatic the thing. you should have been kicked off of. patreon probably yeah 17 episodes ago. but they're not going to kick you off. because you're bringing in too much. money yeah. i think maybe do you listen to the. patreon episodes. i don't i don't listen to those i should. i mean they're very funny i think. patreon shows that are big like chapo. and kumtown and myself we're all wild. and we're all. funny and we're all comics and obviously.

chapo is more political but like. there doesn't i don't know there's no. nobody's engaging like hate speech or. whatever i'm not rallying anyone to a. cause. you did you did threaten to to bomb. those lesbian subaru those. lesbians are those they deserved it. they are crafty and you gotta watch them. um. and i'm gonna i'm gonna tell them about. this at the next meetup yeah. well there's only nine of you left. that's that article you posted so i'm. sure you all know each other there's. nine lesbians left. every now and then katie will go dark.

for a few days and then she'll just pop. her head out with like. there are nine lesbians left and we and. i were. fighting for and you said there's no. lesbian bars right. isn't that your pet cause now uh. not not neutering animals and more. dyke bars i believe that's the beat. you're on now. yeah that's it how did you two meet i. mean obviously you wrote the articles. and then everybody. everyone hates you both but how did you. guys become afraid you seem to have like. a real friendship it's kind of like.

heartwarming. it's it's it's like a patreon friendship. really. it's more of a i think of jessie as my. pod bottom. situation no katie's my uh kitty's my. rodl my ride or die lesbian. now do people like andrew sullivan who. doesn't return emails i don't know who. he thinks he is. guys out of his mind but who are the. kings of sub stack you have greenwald. who are the big dogs on sub stack. glenn greenwald this historian of all.

person who's really good heather. cox richardson who are the other ones uh. uh yoshimoto sullivan. andrew sullivan yeah oh man iglesias is. huge yeah. a bunch of cis white men and what are. they all making. money millions more than five hundred. thousand the. best more than uh more than a million do. you think a few of them multiply. well in the case of andrew yeah yeah. yeah. if he's if he's i don't think he's even. number one but that's what's so. that's what's so weird about this is. like there's there's massive demand.

for these opinions and these are bigoted. reactionary opinions and yet. these guys don't really have a place at. like mainstream outlets and then the. mainstream outlets wonder why they're. losing credibility it's a weird process. to watch this unfold. well the great thing about this is so. after there's been this. insane like sub stack war over the past. week where subsequent so so for your. audience who doesn't know sub sac is. a newsletter platform so it's basically. a bunch of independent writers who. you cultivate your own list and then.

they can give you money and you can make. a [ __ ] ton of money if you if you've got. a big list. and so there's been all of these people. threatening to leave sub stack. because of people like jessie and glenn. greenwald and andrew sullivan and me to. a lesser degree. but the platform that they're talking. about going to is this platform called. ghost which is like a total free speech. platform. so i think what we do is that all of us. just need to migrate over to ghost and. they'll have to leave that one too we. can slowly de-platform these people. by just moving to whatever dude i'll.

commit to this now if three or more of. the people who complained about my. presence on subtech i'll move to the. same platform i will start a newsletter. there. that they're paying advances to people. people are upset about that that they're. getting. i didn't get one but the really big. names they'll give them an advance and. then um. yeah it's just in advance then then they. take that out of their earnings so it's. it's the same. thing a book publisher does people are. treating this as like a weird. conspiratorial thing people are also. forgetting that sub stack. is a for-profit company it's very hard. to like pin down.

what the exact complaint is so you'll. have someone with. 1 20th of the experience and audience of. andrew sullivan. treating it as a scandal that subtech. wanted andrew sullivan to come on board. andrew sullivan now makes more than a. million dollars according to katie so. it's been weird cause i don't know he's. also a guy that like pioneered blogging. he's been in the game for decades he's. published multiple books like. there is there is a reason that you. would pay a guy like that in advance. right and the i don't think he even took. the advance because the advance.

if you're if you're really big the. advance is i think at the high end 250. thousand dollars but if you can make a. million dollars a year on the platform. there's no reason to do it yeah. um so is this the future of journalism. do you think or is is that overstating. it to a degree. i hope not the problem is like i think. they'll always be. people that like me and you know katie. and i are both in our late 30s we've. been around a while we've built up. audience. we're lucky enough that we'll probably. always i think be able to make a living. just with our like. dumb opinions and katie's anti-semitism.

and stuff the problem is. like actual journalism like who's. covering the cops who's covering city. hall. there's almost no money for that and. that's what i'm most worried about i'm. not worried about us i'm worried about. like [ __ ]. 50 year old guys who built up a career. covering the police who's going to cover. the police in 10 years i i think no one. knows the answer to that so. i'm much more worried about that than. the people everyone's bitching about on. substance. that's a great question who's going to. do the like shoe leather actual. reporting on. institutions public institutions right.

a bigger threat to journalism is not sub. stack it's. the same threat that has been. disseminated or decimating it for the. past 15 years which is. google and craigslist and facebook it's. the fact that. local papers have been hollowed out but. you don't see the people bitching about. some stacked platforming people like. jesse doing anything to. you know to help out the real crisis. which is the fact that. local papers are dying well i. i like both of you i wish both of you. the best of luck your show is called. blocked and reported it's.

growing people really enjoy it people. like it. um you know and i mean i i urge all my. followers and fans to go check it out. it's a kind of refreshing uh you know. you have a good rapport both of you and. you both certainly. are i just we're just so bored of the. trance you know we're. we were in a very low profile war with. the weinstein brothers. and um you know the war that no one. asked for and no one wanted but i i've. declared war on the intellectual dark.

web. and they've responded in kind and um. i've taken lex friedman from them i've. taken lex and uh and i and but. but uh i made a joke where i was like. the greatest minds of our time just talk. about trans stuff all the time and it's. like boring to me. i mean how about this like i get it i. would not give any kid hormones but it's. kind of like. hey if you transition and it doesn't. work out it's almost like you got a bad. tattoo. i'm kind of treating it now like hey man. you [ __ ] up. maybe there's got to be more of that in. society maybe we have to say you were a.

stupid seven-year-old and sorry. you know and now you don't have a penis. and now you don't have a penis and i. don't know i just. it it sucks all the air out of the room. but i do understand why it's important. to talk about. did you see the head of drag queen story. hour got busted with a bunch of child. porn. what's going on over there you take this. one katie. just uh i guess you just like he was too. much of a cutie of a cuties fan i think. that's what. i'm telling you right now anyone who. wants to read to children is.

automatically suspect drag queen or not. anyone who goes to a library voluntarily. to read dumb books to kids is so. stupid that anyone who has a child i. think falls into that category well. anyone who has a child is a pedophile. there's no other way. i i think that having children is. somewhat important because you need. uh you need to to raise a well-regulated. militia. that will guarantee the security of the. free state kim. you should become a sperm donor i think. i know some lesbians who uh mila and.

jonah they live. do you know i'm literally asking do you. know them no i don't know. though i don't i did look them up on. instagram i did find them on instagram. they did a whole thing where they were. like we love. joe rogan and we'll let him spend time. in our home because he likes our. furniture or whatever. you know these are um i'm off airbnb i'm. literally the platform that cannot get. back on i've tried. um it's a complete and utter. uh you know campaign to destroy me and. uh but i will continue to fight i had no.

idea that it would get. so contentious with these ladies and. they called me fat which is ableist why. are they on the platform i don't know. why they're allowed to be. on the platform it's odd to me that. they're able to be on the platform but. apparently there are different rules. tell everyone where they can find both. of you uh your show. and everything is there going to be like. a sub stack convention do you guys. do you guys like do like a big do you do. like a meet and greet with like you guys. and barry weiss and andrew sullivan like. just that.

does that ever happen do you guys do. like uh meet and greet convention. mag khan but first it was actually was. it two years ago now we had a. happy hour for katie in brooklyn and. andrew sullivan was there it was a good. night. wow what a fun night the mean. andrea was drinking jager shots if i. remember correctly yeah. yeah uh yeah so i mean everyone check us. out please patreon.com. reported i'm at. jessesingle.substance.com if you want to. see why. all my horrible reactionary stuff that. uh they tried to de-platform me over.

and then uh oh yeah i have a book coming. out totally separate subject but check. out the quick fix. it's out april 6 if you want to support. me and katie what's it about. it's about like sort of [ __ ] ted. talk psychology and why we keep. uh falling for it it's it's it's not. culture wary but i i think people will. like it and should uh. give it a google maybe katie herzog. where can. where can the people find you. they can't i'm in a bunker in western. washington i don't want them to find me. um i am on twitter at kitty pursehog.

i have a sub stack newsletter called. moose nuggets which is. as as you mentioned is about canine. testicles the most pressing issue. um in america right now and what else. yeah check out the podcast that's pretty. much all i do. i'm uh i'm really more of a part-time. worker at this point yeah i mean katie. is very funny. ben ben thinks you're very funny my. producer very funny that was a very. funny email you said i think. yeah ben ben is like in love with you. well i think ben's very handsome so. maybe we can uh.

thank you katie i believe i am the. looker on the show that is what i. that is what i believe because i am the. the show is me. so if people weren't looking at me they. wouldn't watch. katie herzegovina. [Laughter]. well you know i literally this is true. when i lived in california. i i was talking to this uh. uh this this this there was a high. school track. kid in my neighborhood who used to run. around and i was convinced.

i know where we're going no it's just a. thin high school track kid. and i would always ask him about trans. issues and he had to tell me he wasn't. katie herzog. he was just a think he had to tell me. and i said katie i. had no idea you could afford to live in. this neighborhood let's be real. and uh but it apparently was not you. when i learned that the hard way. um but we do appreciate both of you. coming on we're fans and we hope that. you guys continue to. thrive good to talk to you thank you.

guys.