#228 - Candace Owens | The Tim Dillon Show

ladies and gentlemen welcome to the tim. dillon show uh starting off a little. seriously. uh this episode uh we've been thinking a. lot about the show and the direction. that it's going in. and uh you know i was out to dinner the. other night and somebody said to me you. know you've never had a woman of color. on the show and this is true and it's. because. number one is because i don't have. guests usually it's a show without. guests. it's kind of me ranting you guys are. familiar but i started to think about it. and i started to think about like. that i needed to kind of make some. changes and why not use this platform.

to elevate people that have been. marginalized historically and. why not use the platform to bring on uh. uh. a woman of color to speak i think that's. very important so. i think now it's time to kind of throw a. bone to progressives. listen to people uh reach across the. aisle. you know in in in terms of everybody. should be listening to each other so i. said i was like i. absolutely at dinner i said i 100. am going to bring a woman of color on. the show i think it's the right thing to.

do. for somebody like me uh that has a. platform i i truly believe that. i'm not kidding i know i'm a comedian. but i'm not kidding about that. um so without further ado ladies and. gentlemen please welcome candace owens. uh candice thank you so much. for being our first one. you're our you're our first woman of. color on the show and i. and i really am grateful that you came. on thank you so much. thanks for having me i i love being the.

first one what a pioneer and yet i feel. that. no it's not going to go as you planned. in the comments section. well i'm just i'm hoping that everybody. recognizes that i'm you know really. trying to. to to elevate someone yeah. is it weird to you is it funny that peop. there is so much. of a push to listen to people of color. women of color. and you who are an author you've got. millions of followers. you you drive the national conversation. when you say something people listen.

but no one would ever think to to to for. you. to be the woman of color that anyone. should be listening to right that's. because progressives only like black. people if they're going to complain. about being black and say they're a. victim. and sort of fall into that narrative the. ism narrative as i'd like to refer to it. as racism sexism. um you know whatever it is and because. i am a content person because i like. america because i don't hate white. people because i don't hate men.

uh that disqualifies me from the. oppression olympics. so i do find it to be hilarious um. because i think it reveals. who they actually are that it's not. about giving a platform. to black people it's about uniformity um. and. i am not uniform so and. you know what's interesting because i i. observe you you're a happy person. you're happy you're right like you enjoy. your life. you're happy you got a great husband. congratulations. you're pregnant you have a baby on the.

way you're not a miserable person and. you don't seem invested in other. people's misery. like you yeah and i think is there a. psychological component. to a lot of politics right now that. we're not realizing where you see some. of these people. when i see somebody with purple hair. screaming i go there. there's something else going on and it's. not always political. it's usually just a mental disorder um. which. none of us are equipped to address uh. you know with trying to make yourself. unattractive screaming shrieking finding.

you know issues with everything like you. just anything that you know screams. normal to them they have to attack it. they're just like this needs to go. because it's too normal. um it's a horrible way to live so i. always say if you. look at the life of a leftist um. they wake up every day and they are. trying to figure out what to be upset. about. eventually that has to rot your soul. like you know to be looking around to. walk into a grocery store and be like. you know what. these aunt jemima freaking pancakes have. to go you know what i mean like i look.

in and i'm like ooh like what's in the. meat section. see what he's made up um so i just can't. imagine they don't realize the weight of. their own mentality. um and i'm the exact ops person i'm. always happy and that's part partly. because i have a family. um we just have a very good sense of. humor we just always made fun of each. other growing up we don't take ourselves. too seriously. so i think having a sense of humor just. makes life. better and the left just does not have a. sense of humor about anything well. that's true i mean one of the things. there's so many comedians that.

do respect you and a lot of them don't. say so publicly because. you really you live by that code. of listen you can say whatever you want. about me i'm gonna laugh it off we did a. video where i dressed up like a corona. ball. and the corona ball said that the corona. bowl was gonna come and go up your nose. and find you in a grocery store and i. know chappelle's talked about you in. other comics and snl you. you really roll with it like you don't. care. you laugh it off i love what you said. about snl i think you tweeted. your show hasn't been funny since 2009.

which is true yeah why why are you. able to laugh things off and and why are. so many people. on the left but also you have certain. people on the right just not able to do. it. well you know i think first and foremost. i like i said i love humor so like i. grew up watching all of the stand-ups. and i think it's it's sad. um that comedians aren't allowed to say. um things unless they're politically. correct political practice is not funny. it's just not funny right um so like i.

always say uh. it was chris chris rock's bigger and. blacker it's one of my favorite. all-time favorite stand-ups and you if. you watch it from start to finish now he. could have never performed this in 2020. um he would have been burned over the. coals um and what's beautiful about it. is he starts out the first thing he says. is racially charged he comes out on. stage and he's like white people in the. back tonight. then he starts going on about all of. these stereotypes making fun of. black people for the baby mama culture. making fun of white people being like if. it's a school shooter you know it's a. white kid right you know all these.

things. like you could never say today and by. the end of it. this incredible thing happens where. everyone in the audience. you no one escaped whether you were. chinese black white. gay straight no one escaped and you sort. of realized you know what. we all kind of suck and we're in that. together and there's there's a beauty in. that there's a humanity in that. and not taking yourself so seriously and. being able to laugh at yourself like i. appreciate. the stereotype even the caricature of. candace owens right so like i found your. thing to be very funny because it was.

hitting at this caricature of like. canisters doesn't think i'm real and. that's funny and. i should laugh at that and not be like. how could he make fun of a woman. of color expressing her opinion about. apparently it's just so boring it's. funny. are you ever invited you know when they. do because you will. debate anybody you'll talk to anybody. you'll sit down with anybody. um are you ever invited. to these colleges for these debates when. they talk about. critical race theory or. intersectionality does anybody ever.

say let's bring candace in or is i mean. even as i ask the question i feel like i. know the answer because you'll go. like you'll show up and you will bring. your ideas to people. but do you are you surprised by how. little that happens. no i'm not surprised because everything. everything that they believe in is a lie. um it's a misrepresentation um and it. relies on. no one in the audience having a modicum. of intelligence to be able to counter it. or. being too fearful to counter so you.

could be sitting in the audience when. the left is. spewing their you know racist sexist. misogynist bs but you're white and. you're straight so you gotta shut up. right right and they built that safe. they built that safe space around. themselves because you just have to shut. up. unfortunately for them according to. their own rules i'm at the top of the. progressive stack so they have to let me. talk. um which means that it relies on two. people locking based on intellect and. the left cannot lock with me on. intellect because i'm going to hit them. hard i know that all of it's bs. so they do what they the only thing that.

they can do is pretend i don't exist. is there any is there any really smart. person. whether it's dr cornel west or whoever. where you go it would be a tough debate. like do you ever look at somebody on the. left and go. cause i remember asking i think i asked. ann coulter this i was like and i think. she said maybe it was pacquidell. or uh mickey kaus at one point who's. kind of drifted maybe to the center now. but is there anyone on the left where. you go yeah this is a person who i don't. agree with. but i kind of respect them and i think. they're smart. um so you brought up cornell west i've. debated him right right.

i've sat down and i spoke with him and. the thing is is he doesn't play. far left when he's in the room with me. so he actually agreed on a lot because. he's smart. enough not to say ridiculous things and. drive himself to the far left which is. just making no sense right. um so we were able to have a respectable. dialogue and. to be honest now i feel that those sorts. of moderates. have all sort of kowtow to the far left. and their arguments are getting more and. more ridiculous. so there isn't anyone that that is. counting to the far left that i'd be.

afraid. to be in the room with and to be i find. much more. fear in debating people on the right um. that i mean like i would never debate. larry elder that is one person that i. have been open about like. thank god we're on the same side because. the man is absolutely brilliant he. doesn't forget a single fact. and i think i think he's got like a. photographic memory from the left i mean. there's. women can be men men can be women like. what do i need to prep for right like in. in a debate about that you know what i. mean like kids should be able to pick. their gender they have the agency they.

you know. they can't figure out not to stick their. hands in toasters but yeah sure let them. decide on their entire you know. lifestyles when they're two years old so. they're just so. crazy right now that no there's no one. that i'm fearful to sit down in the room. with right. now you got some flack you you often do. and uh this was about harry styles. wore a uh dress on the cover of i. believe vogue or. vogue a ball gown you get it right a. ball got and now my whole point was that. no one can afford. if you told me tim go get harry styles.

dress on a cover of vogue. i mean if my mother was like you know. you're about to kill her i couldn't find. a ball gown i don't even know how to buy. these clothes they're too expensive most. people don't. i talked about it on my show i'm like i. don't think this is such a huge problem. because nobody has a job. but what that was a firestorm so what. about that you saw that and you go. they're trying to get rid of traditional. masculinity do you think it's do you. think it is kind of that plot. or do you think it's kind of just like.

harry styles trying to get attention and. being ridiculous like. i feel like there's probably not a lot. of dudes in the country that are going. to start dressing in like christian dior. ball gowns yeah you say that because our. generation. and when i say our generation i'm. speaking about millennials right older a. bit younger sure. um because we didn't grow up with this. with culture. telling us that men should be women and. women should be men actually that was. some this this is a new crazy that the. left has unleashed. um really has unleashed it i would say. over the last five years now where.

they're kind of harping. on these kids to understand that gender. is made up um. and you know your kid i mean who's the. chick that's always naked on instagram. emma rota. rockowski rojokowski or something yeah. yeah she's always naked always says it's. a new reason. you know um naked today from this issue. that's what we call it. in america by the way she does have a. nice body i wish she would just be like. i'm naked because i have a nice body and. stop pretending i have some social. issues but whatever so she's pregnant. and the first thing she does is issues a. long statement saying.

that she's going to be part of the. parents that raise their kid. um to have no gender and wait for their. kid to tell her when she's 18. um what gender it is by the way there's. no way at 18. that that that daughter or son is still. speaking emily ryankowski. she better get that she better get that. she better get that sooner. it is weird like we saw that you you you. i think it's a you. you tina you you tell it what is the. church unitarian. the unitarian video where they bring up.

the young kid it was on twitter who's. like two. and they're like hey uh tell everyone. you're. transgender it was weird it was all the. creepy elements of religion yeah it's. weird it's just weird yeah it's weird. and it is because of. now we're sort of treading towards this. atheist society that they're looking for. new forms of religion these are new. types of cults. um that are happening let the left has. become a cult where they just want to. undo things that we didn't have a. problem with. at no point when i was growing up as a. little girl was i like man i really wish. i could go into the guy's bathroom it's.

just not fair or like you know i really. wish. like um i could just act like a boy and. all of a sudden i never had those. feelings i was a tomboy. for a period of time but my mother never. said well this must mean that you. are deep down inside a boy and thank god. she didn't because i grew out of it when. i went through puberty and suddenly i. thought that the guys were. not cool but cute right um so i mean in. terms of the hairy southern i said. something that everyone. reasonably should have agreed with he. did he's not masculine when he's wearing. a dress. and you have to pay attention to those. trends because whatever they're putting.

on the cover of vogue. that's what's around the cup that's. what's around the corner that's what's. around the corner culturally um and i'm. just staunchly against. you know this trans agenda as i call it. of course if you're a trans person. you're suffering from gender dysphoria. which is a real issue right um you know. then you know. you should be afforded every protection. you should never be attacked um. but no i'm always i'm always for maximum. freedom uh. i think maximum freedom too much of. progressivism now seems to be about. reducing the freedom of others right it.

seems to be about. corralling people and going you need to. think like i do. you need to believe this or you are a. problem. homophobic like you know and that that's. what i got for saying that he was not. masculine in a dress. um you know i got called a transphobe. like i'm not. afraid phobia means a fear of i'm not. afraid of men in dresses. right i'm stating my opinion that why. can't we just have normal why can't we. just see a nuclear family. on the cover of any of these magazines. they're just trying to get freakier and. freakier and freakier.

um and i think that there is a. difference between diversity and. perversity and novel left is turning. trending towards perversity. it's not about being diverse about being. how perverse can you get. um and i'm just not for it so i say what. i say and that's that it's tough to be a. man isn't it. tough to be a guy very but you got to do. it or you don't i don't care. doesn't matter to me what you do but if. you're going to do it bespoke post has a. new box of. awesome you get everything styling. grooming goods. bar wear cooking tools outdoor gear make. your real manger.

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old-school conservative and i think. you're more of a. kind of a nationalist if if that's right. am i wrong there. i we do have differences um uh without. characterizing it i would say you're. absolutely right you're hitting at we. are stylistically different. right um and we have had we've bought. heads in the past. uh ben and i and now what so what about. that move was the move you just said i'm. gonna do it. i think it's the right i think what the. daily wire invites.

and and people may not realize it now is. that there are people that. completely disagree with daily wire. michael knowles and i actually tend to. agree on stuff. uh more often than not and him and ben. shapiro disagree on a lot of things and. michael. knowles has been a part of the daily. wire team for a very long time so i. think that they're. you know they are smart enough to. realize that they're not trying to. inspire group things they're trying to. you know lift different voices um and. sort of. take over if you will like you know. become an alternative. uh to the left and everything that we.

see on tv is always a leftist. perspective. um so we ben and i will still disagree. on certain people. different ideas um but we do so you know. and are able to make fun of one another. and not take it too seriously. yeah and he has a pretty good sense of. humor too i think for the most part i. see him he has a pretty good sense of. humor he's not. now about covert you know i just have my. producer here and i just ordered two. cova tests you know we have no symptoms. we're not sick. but i'm spending about six hundred. dollars to have a guy come in here. we do this a lot like they talk about. canceling student loan debt i want them.

to cancel the thousands of dollars i've. spent. on cova tests where i don't even know if. they're accurate no one really knits all. the guessing game. and then the doctor comes over they. barely they don't have a mask i'm like. you're not afraid. so now kofi kova's clearly real it's. clearly a problem. but you have i don't know that i agree. with you here but you make kind of a. compelling case. that this is part of something larger. that the the in that it's been inflated.

to a degree. um now and and how would you say that. because i was listening to you you did a. live stream i think last week where you. said. i have been calling out how kova is. going to be used. um uh to to to get donald trump out of. office for a while you've been calling. it out probably since february. that's right and and but it's happening. all over the world. and it is something that's an actual. disease and it can be quite devastating. but what do you think has been done. on the left uh in your estimation.

to inflame the situation or to. uh you know make it uh um a catalyst to. remove trump. well first and foremost kovid was never. going to kill millions and millions of. americans that was always a lie. um it was about uh basically. transforming america a free society into. a totalitarian state. um you know going into this year trump. had a roaring economy and there used to. be that expression. it's the economy stupid guarantees you a. second year um.

we did not have a mail-in ballot system. which is. the most fraudulent susceptible system. that you could possibly have in terms of. voting. um implementing that entire system. virtually overnight in all 50 states and. just going there's no way there's going. to be any fraud. um so i was calling that out which seems. obvious so its economy got crashed. you change the entire way that america. votes which allows for more fraud. um and at the same time you're crashing. american businesses when we know that. china was very close to. i mean essentially what china has been.

trying to do for those of us you know. who study. um foreign policy has been taking you. know the belt and road initiative. getting. all of the world to turn to china um as. the world leader and that's very much. happening right now i mean china despite. implementing. um genocide on the muslims somehow has a. seat. on the humanitarian board at the u.n. which makes entirely no sense. uh china was able a country of 1.3. billion people. right i've been to china everyone's like. this at all times. was able to knock out the coronavirus.

and reopen everyone's businesses in two. weeks. um and we just can't figure it out in. the west they can't figure it out. anywhere. and our our infection rates first they. were playing around with the death rates. and and we had the censorship from the. tech uh. people were coming out and saying yes um. my father died of cancer and cobit 19 is. on his death certificate because in. post-mortem testing which has never been. done. they're looking for a strand of this. virus which the majority of people who. get it are asymptomatic i mean i've. probably had coba 10 times i've declined. to wear a mask. i've traveled to at least four countries.

um you know right at the height of it. i've had and i say this in my act i've i. believe i've had cover for 10 years. yeah i make everything so this is the. big deadly virus. guys and by the way at his thing about. the lab if they actually thought that it. was a big deadly virus we were all going. to die. they'd be encouraging trump rallies they. hate trump supporters right they'd be. like yes. all of you go into a pit and then we. expect all of you to die. i hosted events with thousands of people. they were sanctioning protests but then. saying. so i mean it was just the entire. mainstream millionaire made entirely no.

sense but they wanted us to be home. they want us to be on our cell phones. they want us to be essentially just. paying attention to them. and the psychological game of it the. death ticker that was the thing that i. was like this. is like next level creepy stuff because. no matter what you have going on in. america you have. never seen a death ticker you've never. seen the news tell you every time. somebody dies of something. how they even were able to do that. considering your health records are. private yet they were somehow. telling you how many people were dying. of coping 19 was completely bizarre. if there was a death ticker to tell you. every time somebody died in a car.

accident you'd never get in your car. because it creates psychological trauma. and that's what they were trying to do. psychologically traumatize people. to fundamentally change the way that we. act every single day. um and it happened people bought into it. i mean i just was at the grocery store. and a woman came up to me and she just. said to me excuse me. uh you're pregnant i want to let you. know if your mask is not over your nose. like. you're going to catch this thing. ironically you know me i love whole. foods. um and i turned to her and i said i. i don't care if i get chronovirus and. what is wrong with you what weird like.

i'm a young springy 31 year old woman if. i get coronavirus i promise you it's not. going to be anywhere near as bad as the. flu. i had two years ago um which wiped me. completely on my butt and we've never. had a flu ticker we've never had anybody. talking about. flu is more likely to kill children we. never made children wear masks during. flu season i just saw kids. more likely i just i rented a house in. uh in california and i'm and i'm. we're driving to get breakfast and uh me. and my producer and we see.

high school kids running in masks and it. was very odd like they're at. gym and they're running outside in masks. that's when i go. this doesn't make any sense i understand. you're in a crowded place you want to. wear a mask whatever. but running outside a mask it does feel. cultish and weird yeah. it's just weird especially because the. statistics are in the kids are more. likely to die of the flu so why was. why weren't we masking these children. every flu season. and it's because it's all about the. psychological trauma of seeing a child. in a mask and.

and we're all in this together all of. this like commie type rhetoric we're all. in this together. it's your quota of the night it's your. global family now don't have. thanksgiving with your family. we're all a part of a global family i'm. like i don't care. you could say something to me a million. times i am a pretty um strong-headed. bull minded i'm going to be with my. family i'm not going to mask my family. in fact i have a strict. no mask policy in my home so i respect. how you want to live you know run your. home. you're not allowed to wear a mask in. mine um and that's just my i'm my kid's.

gonna grow like a normal kid he's gonna. breathe. um so if you have an issue with that and. uh you can hate candace. do you think do you think there's any. chance that trump. pulls this out i do one hundred percent. really yeah yeah i think the supreme. court. the supreme court has i have been. talking about the fact that this. election was going to end up in the. supreme court since february. you can go back and watch my um um my. interview with the daily caller it might. have been early march. um and i have said this is this is the.

most rigged election just looking ahead. at what was down the pipeline in terms. of what we were how we were. fundamentally transforming our society. i expected there to be a lot of fraud um. and i expected that trump would appeal. to the supreme court. um so at the end of the day this is. going to come down to whether or not. they are able. to prove and not just prove but be able. to communicate what they are saying. about the fraud. um i am sorry i don't care if you're on. the left if you're on the right. if you believe that joe biden secured. the most votes. like that that there was more energy for. joe biden than there was.

for barack obama in 2008 you're kidding. yourself well right. wouldn't the argument be that it was an. anti-trump vote what nobody was excited. about biden but they were it. it wasn't an anti-trump vote you know we. know that 30 percent of people didn't. even bother voting. right so despite the fact that we are. completely submerged in politics. not all of america is right so for me. it's every day is day in and day out but. i also. know that my cousins that live in the. projects couldn't give us stuff. about anything that i do my cousins. literally i went to eat with one of my.

cousins um. her name's mia and i'm like we i was. talking about brexit and she was like. what's brexit i want to hang out with. her i want to hang out with her. i'm sitting in l.a everybody talking. about politics i want to go hang out. with your cousins for the projects. tomorrow. and i said i said there i said mia it's. you know the brits left the european. union and she goes. what's the european union and i was like. i love you yeah i love her too. i love her too by the way i want to go. hang out with her do you do you. what explains and i mean you have a huge. part of this i think i tweeted that i.

said candace oh it's a huge. thing now the black conservative. movement is very no it's not covered by. the media at all. and you're the biggest voice in it but. there's tons of people out there coleman. hughes whatever it is a lot of different. people. and the media ignores this like it's not. happening. and some of the most interesting. conversations. that are happening online are are. black conservatives that are talking. about. uh american policy and and and. disagreeing and.

and and it's very very interesting trump. made gains. with minority voters you know what do. you think. explains that because we've had the most. strenuous year. for race relations probably in in in. that i can remember. and donald trump is very volatile figure. gains. with minority voters what would you. attribute that to. people like me independent voices uh. people are not. buying it anymore and and goes back to. what we talked about earlier the fatigue.

of victimhood i mean if if you weren't. tired of being just black this year. when everything oh you're struggling you. know you're just being black i mean. at a certain point i kept saying black. america's gonna wake up to this game you. can't just keep doing this every four. years and popping around and then black. lives matter black lives matter. disappearing like a magic act and then. jumping back in you know for the next. election cycle. eventually black people are going to get. smart um and and that's what's happening. you know we're having conversations we. have our own platforms this is the. reason why the left is ignoring us but.

at the same time pushing for social. media censorship. because it's problematic when people. like canis owens can gain you know. millions and millions. of followers and you know they are no. longer relying on the mainstream. narrative. about race right they have another. option and that option sounds a lot. better than waking up every day. and being miserable just because of the. color of your skin and seeing yourself. as a victim like it's. it just feels better i have a better. product right you get to go out and be. happy and live your life. you can do anything you want because. this is the greatest country in the. world. versus you are a victim permanently a.

victim your life is going to suck. forever because you were born with brown. skin. but i think it's i i think it would be. fair to say. that black people face a different set. of challenges than white people. they they you know in many in many cases. right. and that specifically well i think that. if you look at where i grew up i grew up. in long island and long island a lot of. my friends were able to. inherit homes because their parents got. loans. after world war ii or their grandparents. got loans after world war ii.

to buy these houses and they created the. suburbs i think a lot of black people. were excluded. not only from those loans but also from. like those communities like realtors. that. showed black people houses would be. threatened and it was like. so the suburbs and the house which. seemed like the the engine of wealth for. a lot of middle class families right. building equity in something. ownership if black people were excluded. from that so i feel like. there is a little bit of catch-up being. played certainly. because that doesn't explain or account.

for the reason that black americans. during my grandfather's time did better. than black americans during my father's. time. so that defeats your entire argument. right well it was ownership. so what happened from you know the 1950s. through to the 1970s that black. americans became. more impoverished you know owned less. homes. and became more reliant upon the. government structure and the truth is. is we married the government welfare and. now whether you want to argue whether or. not that was strategic and whether it's.

the fault of the government and lyndon. baines johnson. uh you know for opposing the great. society act which is what married black. women to the government. that's an argument you can have but you. can't say it's because there's this. long-standing. black american just couldn't break away. if you look at the 100 years following. slavery. black americans did well the fact that. black americans performed better. economically under jim crow. laws than they are doing today you just. cannot point. to a systemic racism it has to do with. choices. the choices that we made to marry the. government and the fact that we cannot.

out-think this government structure that. you know black americans still believe. in the victimhood and will take the. handouts that black americans will take. to the streets and demand. you know aoc right now is saying we need. to make sure you know black and brown. people the government pays them to stay. home. well hello welfare policies that you. know were the first in their crippled. black america in the first place. that they're being reintroduced right. now under coven 19. so i always see right now we have a. choice right now if we're going to give. another. 100 years to black poverty by all the. saying yes to more government handouts. we don't need government handouts that's.

the biggest issue is. more and more and more from the. government the government is not our. parent it's not our mother it's not our. father. it was an attack on the black family um. but if we don't wake up to that we're. never going to get ahead. black people make the worst decisions. out of every. um out of every group in america and and. you can compare us to who. who is the most successful group in. america it's not white americans so. your argument about you know white. america is this is it asians. it's asia i forget who it is.

yeah so nobody wants to talk about. asians because it you know it defeats. all the arguments well why people had it. easier. because no one's going to say asian. people during world war ii were japanese. people were internment camps. right well that should be the title. right about white americans today. the title of your next book should be. nobody wants to talk about asians can't. buy candace house i know i exactly. yeah i do understand but as as a white.

person i always say to myself i was a. druggie i drove around. i did not get pulled over nearly as much. as my black friends. i feel like they 100. are more likely to get pulled over and. more likely to go to jail. and we're doing a lot of the same things. right i was uh. you know irresponsible reckless human. being. and i just feel like i maybe had i. definitely had. certain advantages that put me in a. better position. versus a kid you know just the idea that.

i had money for a lawyer so if like. if there's a black kid who got caught. smoking uh blunt and went to jail. um and he went to jail and my parents. could maybe get me a lawyer to get me. out of it. that to me is it's easier being white. than if that's the. right but here's what's wrong you just. brought up a good point and then you. racialized it. okay rich people yes yes economic. privilege is a real thing it didn't. happen because. you're white right so it didn't matter. if you think that puff daddy's son. is not going to be better off being. pulled off if he has pot.

right than some poor white kid you're. wrong but you've accepted the argument. that because of the color of your skin. not because of your economic. circumstances. right because of your economic. circumstances oprah winfrey doesn't have. any offspring but i'll guarantee you. that if they ever got into trouble. they'd be able to get out malia and. sasha obama who we know like to smoke. pot good you know. good for them they're you know they're. enjoying their uh teenage years. right they are not going to go through. the same things that a poor white trash. kid is going through. stop racializing people have more. privilege. do you think that's common sense do you.

think we should legalize. weed so that we don't have this crazy. drug war that's putting people in jail. no i mean listen i i i i have to think. through those arguments more because i. do think. that first and foremost i i think. conservatives that pretend like pot is. the worst thing in the entire world. are just completely crazy and out of. control um but. the issue is the slippery slope argument. and we know that's real because right. now in california what are they doing. trying to. um with a heroin and methamphetamine.

they're trying to make it so you just. get a ticket and keep going so. the problem with the left is that you. never just stop at one thing you're not. like okay you legalize pot and they're. going to be done. right they're like already in california. pushing for decriminalizing. methamphetamine heroin. and and this is now an argument that we. have to fight so it's hard to find what. the right answer is. when you know that it's it's never. enough to do one thing meaning. a couple years ago it was all about just. gay marriage just gay marriage. i mean the second the supreme court. passed gay marriage we were on trans.

rights and we it's been. shoved down our throat uh and now we're. at kids picking their gender and. bathroom signs need to all. to be all inclusive and men name tampons. in their restroom. so i mean i i don't know where i stand. on it completely because i understand. but isn't there a little bit of. a you know listen slippery slope. argument certainly makes a lot of sense. but isn't there so much pain happening. because. of non-violent drug offenders being in. jail for so long it's disproportionately. affected. people that are as you said economically.

disenfranchised lots of them happen to. be black and hispanic. i just feel like there's so much pain. there's so many real world consequences. to that particular law that we should. especially when. it is legal yeah it is legal in certain. parts of the country. people are becoming millionaires yeah. okay so criminalizing is different than. saying. making it legal um and and i agree with. you i think we spend a lot of time. uh you know the idea of anyone being in. prison for smoking pot is just. ridiculous. no where are you where are you are you.

strictly pro-life. no abortion no matter what see i don't. know we don't know where candace owens. feels about every single issue we don't. are you like 100 never can have an. abortion or is there any gray area with. you. the problem is that there's no gray area. with the left right so. i'm pro-life i'm unapologetically. pro-life because i understand now as. someone who used to be pro-choice. um just how brainwashed you are as a. young girl in school about abortion. i mean until i was 25 i thought it was.

just a clump of cells. which is crazy i mean that's just so. that's fundamentally teaching you. um that that abortion is birth control. um. and that you it is the responsible thing. for you. to you know kill your child and when you. look when i actually understood the. history of abortion and studied margaret. sanger. and understood that it was actually a. eugenicist movement. um where people were trying to get rid. of black people having any offspring. and we look at the numbers and you. realize that it is black americans that. are giving. disproportionately it uh the black.

population would be double today if it. wasn't for abortion that's a scary thing. to even say. and that these clinics are being put. strategically in black and hispanic. neighborhoods. um you know i haven't i have an issue. with what abortion was designed to do. and the fact that it's been largely. successful. um you know by margaret sanger but you. know through and through. is as an american success story you know. she wanted to make sure people. um that were black and brown um as well. as immigrants from. eastern europe uh were not able to have. any offspring so i have an issue because. i'm educated about it.

um and i think the thing that bothers me. so much is i know that the other. argument is well. all of these people having kids unless. you're going to take care of their kids. you know. first and foremost it it makes it seem. like people cannot be responsible at all. you remove responsibility from the. person and we know the majority of. people. are not getting rapes that extreme. argument of like well you know what if. you're raped. um and then you get pregnant and now. you're forced to have this killer's kid. the left has to rely on that because the. majority of the time you know it's not. rape. it's just people being irresponsible and. then deciding what they want to get.

there's a lot of people that are like. okay we don't want abortion and we. because i. understand pro-life people i'm. pro-choice because i don't want to tell. somebody else that may have had an. experience whether it's rape or not that. they don't want to carry a child to term. i don't necessarily think it's my. position to tell them that they have to. do that. but then then there are people that go. on the right they go no contraception no. plan b. nothing nothing i don't believe in that. okay you need so there needs to be some. yeah. you know i don't like late term abortion.

i think it's but. at the end of the day i i feel like you. know. there seems to just be a. you know like unwillingness. to imagine that we're living in a. society where people do have. other moral codes so not everyone's. gonna have the moral code that you do. not everyone's gonna have the moral code. that whatever that i may or. at the end of the day it's like i think. that we need to figure out a way. to exist in a society where people can.

have different beliefs and as long as. they're not infringing on your ability. to live happily then they can kind of. live as long as they're not. compelling you you know. candace you froze candace we lost you. sorry i just do not accept you talking. about abortion when i'm eight months. pregnant. yeah i was just i was just about to say. i said i i. you know it's just one of those problems. recently we moved our show to cia.gov. and they promised that there would be. nothing that they would do.

but they said we're going to leave the. show as is cia.gov is where you can find. the tim dillon show now. but that's my thing it's like we're all. you know we're all living in a society. everyone's gonna believe different. things. and i think that we should all try to we. should try to respect each other i know. that that seems like a crazy statement. but. i i feel like you know people shouldn't. um infringe on each other's freedoms if. at all possible unless it's something. absurd. so let me let me just say something to. you and i'm going to bring up what i. said earlier to you so i said earlier to.

you that. you know the stuff about women being men. it wasn't the thing that they pushed. when we were in school. right um and that's the thing now the. younger generation is grappling with. they're being told women can be men men. can be women. well our generation was actually what. was pushed upon us was sexual freedom. right so if you're a millennial the. whole concept it's just a clump of cells. everybody's having sex all of this stuff. was basically shut down our throat. generation before didn't get that. right so you your perspective on. abortion is actually you being a product. of your own generation.

and the way that i learned about this. and it's a really good book written by. thomas soule called inside. inside the education system the dog dog. mobilize the deception he talks about. this sounds like a fun read like a light. fun read. i mean i i love thomas soul but he talks. about this push. for you know sexual freedom and. everybody's doing it and like. what is it aren't we all products of our. generation like isn't the idea that. you've my me being okay with you voting. means i'm a product of my generation. too right yeah yeah you know there's.

there's always some good things and. what i'm saying is that your perspective. and what was my perspective so i'm not. even calling you out on it i agreed with. you. right now it's it's what they. there's something that they give to. every generation and we became the like. yeah sex it's whatever. it's a woman's body my body my choice i. mean that was the poison that was taught. to us and that i i've kind of reversed. that. with the exception that i don't now i'm. also not the person that goes around a. woman got an abortion and calls her. a baby killer or believe it i don't. believe that's helpful dialogue.

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that we make candace owns president. tomorrow. uh what do we do do we demilitarize the. police do we de-incentivize. no we don't well isn't there a way to. demilitarize our kids. i'm not saying defund them but do do we. need. for the police to be like stormtroopers. running around the country. kicking down doors because somebody. might be smoking a joint there's got to. be a way. to reign the police in a little bit no. let's be clear the police are not.

kicking down your door because you're. smoking a joint okay so that is like. that's like that's like left is a. fantasy land like are you smoking good. joy and the police always just kick down. the door. and because they're just like military. right now like come on that's ridiculous. like. maybe you're a drug dealer and you. happen to be smoking a joint and the. police came at that moment but let's. let's be real about that secondly i have. this crazy i'm trying. i'm trying i'm just smoking a joy man i. just came. in here guns are waving um but. what i will say i'm a big believer.

in teaching your kids to respect police. officers so. somebody can point to me to um the case. this year. where the person who we saw being you. know. aggressively pursued by the police was. listening to the police officers. um instructions then i would say okay. maybe we do have an issue with police. officers. every single case that is brought to the. public forefront the thing that never. gets discussed is. why couldn't this person listen to. police orders and i mean we're not. talking about. like the police snapped on the i'm.

talking the police officer is saying. 18 20 30 times giving them an. instruction and they don't do it. and they keep coming towards the police. officer a police officer's life needs to. be protected too. um and these people are crazy what we. saw in philadelphia with that guy walter. wallace. wielding a knife i mean and and still. black lives matter protested and rioted. and looted. and because he was shot and killed as he. should have been shot and killed because. he tried to kill police officers. um the problem is that we have arrived. suddenly into a society where people do. not believe.

that they have to respect adults period. and this is what happens when you have. an entire generation of people who have. grown up. without fathers in the home you know the. idea of listening to any type of. authority feels to them to be. like an assault why should i have to. listen to a police officer why should i. listen to my teacher. why should i listen to my guidance. counselor we have an authority issue. in this country in terms of having basic. respect and it's not a hard request when. a police officer pulls you over. i've been pulled over i listen to his. instructions that's the first thing. right now you have parents teaching.

people you don't have to listen to. police officers instructions. if you are black but when we look at it. it's going to lead. to more black death when we look at a. lot of these videos we see. incidences where police seem to be using. excessive force. right now the most extreme example is. george floyd who lost his life but then. there's other. examples where we look at the videos and. we go wait a minute what in god's name. is happening. why are the cops doing this why are they. sitting on a guy. why are they cutting off his airway like.

can't. shouldn't cops be trained to. basically get someone in cuffs and then. put them in a police car. and not use a lot of these techniques. that they're using whether it's a. chokehold or something where. you can do serious damage to somebody. wouldn't that be good to kind of. do more training i mean more training is. not a bad idea right for the police. saying when is it one is a cop done a. choke hold on somebody without asking. them to first abide by basic. instructions and let's use george floyd. at his example. because they refuse to release the full.

tape in its entirety until it leaked to. daily mail. you know some eight months after the. riots had stopped right. he was asked to get in the vehicle he. was already in cops and was asked to get. the vehicle he resisted. getting in the vehicle as he was. standing he was already cupped said he. was claustrophobic and didn't want to. get in the vehicle and asked to be put. on the ground. right this is after he had they had. gotten him from a car so we knew he. wasn't claustrophobic when he was in the. car trying to get rid of his fentanyl. right then they try to put him in the. police cruiser and he starts saying i.

can't get in there i'm claustrophobic. saying i can't breathe as he's standing. up right so. once again we have a situation where. we're so keen. to say what police officers could have. done differently what can human beings. you know people that are not police. officers do follow basic instructions oh. we got to imagine that the job. they're interested to put you in a. chokehold right but. the job of a cop is you're dealing with. people when they're not at their best. right now i've. people that i know that are cops that. tell me our job is we're. if we're at a situation you're already. dealing with somebody that's not at.

their best they might be drunk. they might be on drugs they're they're. basically this is not the best moment of. their day. and i just think that it can't be like. hey abide by me or the immediate next. step is chokehold there does have to be. some value in de-escalation training or. we cannot stand on someone's head i'm. sure you agree with the george floyd you. know that. like what they did to george floyd was. was murder it was crazy i agree with. that and i've said it over and over. again that i didn't have that situation. even though i do feel it's important to. point out that george floyd by his you. know. um according to his death record he did.

not die from a chokehold he died from a. fentanyl overdose. i'm sure the chokehold didn't help i'm. i'm sure it didn't help but. he he he was not restrained in a way. that stopped his breathing. media misrepresentation that should be. clarified right um but regardless. if i don't think a police officer should. be on anybody's neck for nine for nine. minutes. right um and so i will agree with you on. that assessment but i what i also i'm. disagreeing with you on. um is the idea that this is the standard. across police officers you know what i.

mean i mean millions and millions of. arrests every single year. and we're talking about 20 of them um. that go wrong. all right and nine black men where the. situation went wrong. this year down from when obama was in. office so we're hyper focusing on an. issue. um nine arrests that went wrong in all. of. in all of 2019 despite 2020 despite all. of these arrests. um and why are we doing that human. beings are not perfectable so you're. never going to be able to beat that. amazing number of nine going wrong.

right but and this is the reason why we. know the names of every single black. person. that has ended in an unfortunate. circumstance with police officers. because it doesn't happen often. so we're able to know every single one. of their names and um you know again i. believe in personal responsibility and. accountability. i think police officers are treated. horribly uh more often than the other. way around and and the. data and statistics back up my point. police officers are killed by. black men 18 and a half times more than. black men are killed by police officers. so you're now you're you're you're. putting the honest on police officers to.

be even nicer even though they're 18 and. a half times more likely to end up dead. than the other than the other way around. um no it doesn't so it's a dangerous job. it's a dangerous job and it's one of. those jobs where. i think like a nurse like i joke around. about nurses now that are yelling and. screaming on facebook about how tough. their job. is i get it it's a tough job but when. you were a nurse you also signed up for. the idea that sick people were going to. come into hospitals this is part of what. you signed up for so i just feel like. with cops like they. signed up for a job that was potentially.

deadly it was very dangerous. and they are not the ones complaining. and protesting right all right. yeah she's you know but but listen. sometimes they complain when you do. when you ask them uh to you know. potentially. you know you know like take a look at. their. behavior or their culpability i've heard. cops just like. reject it out of hand but i've heard. other really smart people go. that our police go listen there should. be more de-escalation. training right there should be more. training cops should be able to.

use other tools other than a physical. hold immediately. or a chokehold or something like that. there should be more psychological. training. about immediately i hate when people say. that because they don't do that. immediately that is not an instinct of a. cop. it has not been the instinct in any of. the police videos we've seen even this. year do assess. it it always escalates that situation. after a. long period of peace again the george. floyd video was not nine minutes. they were dealing with him for almost 30. minutes uh you know trying to get him to.

get out of the car. sir can please come out of the corporate. so you know it's so easy to be perfect. in the retrospect and say here's. 18 000 different things you could have. done but when you're dealing with a. violent criminal especially. big violent criminals george floyd was. huge right right who can hurt you the. race. ray shard um jackson ray shard. rayshard brooks right in atlanta they. were so nice to him. sir can you please get out of the. vehicle you're sleeping at a wendy's. blah blah nice can you turn around we're. just going to cuff you all this stuff. yes you're right about that police.

officers oh so let's look back at the. tape though tim and go. well here's how they could have. de-escalated right i mean i did feel. like. that guy was asleep in a wendy's that. guy was asleep in a wendy's. drive-through yeah that guy was asleep. in a wendy's drive-through and i've been. there. but when you're woken up you just have. to have the cops go. you just have to leave i've been asleep. and wendy's right here. so going forward on a positive note does. candace owens ever. run for office oh this is the first time. i've gotten this question. no you get it all the time i do i.

do um listen i do not have any plans to. run for office at this moment. um what an answer you know everybody. people are saying candace 2024. i've seen that on twitter maybe. how about that maybe they feel riverbay. any well by the way i wanna you you are. really. what's amazes me about you is you have a. great sense of humor. you're always willing to have a. discussion you're you're a fan of good.

comedy. um i think that. the world would be a better place if. more people. had your attitude not all of your. attitudes but. the one about the one about open. dialogue and open discussion. and um i want to congratulate you on. get and being a mother thank you. are you excited about that t-minus six. weeks. are you gonna be softer when the baby.

comes out does candace owens go a little. softer. when she's a mom you know i think. that the idea that candice owens is. super hard now. is more of a media caricature i'm i'm. actually quite nice. very funny it's the number one thing. people say about me when they meet me in. person is they're surprised how much of. a sense of humor i have. um and it's because the media has built. me up as this like ah. you know person like 300 style all the. time um. so yeah you go out do people recognize.

you and are they friendly. for the most part yes people recognize. me everywhere i go. and yeah they're always friendly because. leftists unless they are. you know planning to be in a group of. 300 antifa supporters are. fundamentally cowards so if they see me. and they don't like me they shut up. you know you're not going to approach. candace owens and be like. i think that's going to go well for you. i don't give off the energy that i'm. going to be one of those like. oh please leave me alone you know i'm. like not playing this game i'm not like. i'm not afraid of a little antifa thug. in an airport you know.

yeah you know i didn't even mean that i. just met. you go out to dinner in dc uh is the. people the political establishment. are they kind of like hey candace is a. potential ally do you. ever like don't you don't have to say. who. are there ever people behind the scenes. that. talk to you that are because you have a. very big platform you have a very. uh you know big reach is there anybody. that's like hey we got to get candace on. our side.

um well no i will say there are a. lot of celebrities a-list celebrities. that i speak to regularly. um and i think it would shock people you. know kanye's. probably the only one that's been out. public about his beliefs that would have. shocked me because i live. in los angeles and i know there's a lot. of people that. you know watch what you say and and and. read what you write and some of them. have a big instagram account so they can. follow me and follow. conservatives some of them don't agree.

with you some of them do agree with you. but they find what you say very. interesting. right yeah i i think and i think that. that's kind of why i'm here. um is just because there's just been. such a dogmatic approach. um to culture and to politics and i just. want people to think. and i also want to make it okay to be. normal like suddenly normal people have. to shut up all of a sudden like it's. like unless you've got some. something going on or you know it's like. so i'm just like listen. i'm a happy person and it's like a lot.

of these people that are trying to be. not normal are actually trying like. they're not. artistic they're not they're not like a. genuine where you'd be like oh my god. that person's a freak of nature they're. amazing. it's like someone who's truly trying to. exist outside of this spectrum for no. reason other than the fact that they. don't have much going on. i mean i know a lot of people um. that where it's like okay you have. purple hair and whatever suppose you're. non-binary but let's be honest you just. work at geico. like there's nothing wrong with it. you're just answering claims at geico.

or you're an overall impressed yeah. right. they're just at oberlin college and. they're like i i want to be. interesting and special and different. yeah you know everybody. everybody wants to be a special little. snowflake um and i get that i mean you. see that of course you said in hollywood. so much too where it's like they're. complicated for no reason that's what i. mean it's like why did harry styles put. on a dress because like there's nothing. really wrong with harry styles right. he's very talented he's good looking. he's a great singer so it's like. how can i just be controversial and you.

know. put myself in some weird minority box. i'm going to be a man that wears a dress. like okay we get it you know you know. like miley cyrus yeah nothing wrong with. people up with money dad's famous. i'm going to shave my head and say that. i sometimes feel like a man or woman. okay we get it you want to be a special. snowflake right but like there's nothing. wrong with you like you know. and so i i poke fun at them and it. drives them crazy because they're trying. so hard to be different. and it's just like dude just be freaking. normal it's fine like. people will like you either way you. don't have to try to be so subversive.

all the time yeah i mean listen. the answer is if you want to be. different you want to be special be tim. dillon be. candace owens that's all yeah. tell everyone where to follow you if. they don't already and they probably do. follow me on the internet okay. buy my book blackout yeah blackout is. out the book is out blackout. buy that the blexit movement are you. doing any more live events. or because as soon as we can figure out. what state is allowed to have human. beings um at.

in a capacity where they're allowed to. be next to each other um we're moving to. nashville. are you moving in that you're so you're. gonna move i am i'm moving to nashville. i just did zany's the comedy club in. nashville and it was great i did seven. shows i saw that you were there that. night. so that was the first that's when i. bought my house that night yeah i was. there and it was a great time and. it's a great city and i think you're. gonna love it yeah i think so too. i'm thinking one more year in la and. then i might get out of here i might go. to texas i don't know where i'm gonna go. but it's just getting. the amount of money we pay in taxes.

versus what you get yeah it's stupid. prison it's just stupid i'm like why are. you why do you live there i say. something like what are you doing there. anymore. eventually they're gonna build walls to. keep you guys in because i mean. everyone's fleeing. well candace knows you and you're still. holding on last question you're still. holding on you think. you believe there's a chance trump gets. inaugurated again i mean what uh. that would be wild get this that would. be wild.

you've been remarkably consistent the. whole time i will say that. this is where you do kind of win an. award you you. have been like consistent the entire. year. about what you thought was gonna happen. and where it would go. yeah exactly and we're here now so i'm. just like you know i think it's gonna go. to the supreme court and we have the. courts. and um by the way if he wins there's. gonna be a civil war. so hopefully everyone's pro-2a because. there this is not going to be. it's going to be an issue in this. country because they all actually.

believe that joe biden's already the. president-elect he's not. um you know it's just he trump hasn't. conceded um. and so we'll see what happens i you know. i obviously. for the sake of the country and that's. not getting swallowed by china's uh belt. and road initiative i hope that trump. wins i hope i pray that trump wins. well if there's a civil war hide that. ring that's a real rock over there. put that in a vault if there's a civil. war i mean that thing. is that is crazy. you've done well you've done well and i.

and i appreciate that and if and if. things take a turn for the worst. you could always go to your cousin mia. and she could she can sling that in the. projects you guys. you could buy three more houses trump is. what she'll say yeah trump who. i love that candace owns thank you so. much for doing this i really appreciate. it. thanks so much for having me on guys all. right thanks a lot see you later.