#204 - Katie Herzog | The Tim Dillon Show

Katie Herzog was a writer at the. stranger she's no longer there because. she was furloughed and she she offered. herself to be furloughed and now she's. independent she has a podcast called. blocked and reported and you should go. and join her patreon she's she's. incredibly bright she's a breath of. fresh air all the things you would say. about somebody who's cancelled all the. time ah that's what you say when. someone's cancelled you go there a pro.

wouldn't breath of fresh air. they are but she's great I was in Palm. Springs that we tried to do this. interview but we could the Wi-Fi wasn't. working now it is much better we wanted. to have Raz Simeone the leader of the. Seattle autonomous home because they had. reached out to us you know they had. contacted me on Instagram Raz had. retweeted me maybe they had in the. interim found some of my earlier work or. maybe they had just gotten cold feet or. maybe Raz is reading emails from the CIA.

about what he should do next I don't. know but I they they are welcome to come. I hope we have rise in the future but. Katie Herzog is here with us now what is. your read on the Seattle autonomous zone. are you going to go and explore it well. first of all you're getting the name. wrong you are a dead naming the Seattle. homicide it's actually the Capitol Hill. autonomous zone or Chas which is. probably the funniest part of all this. it sounds like a like a tennis coach I. find this whole thing extremely funny so.

what people from outside Seattle might. not know is that the capital the area. where where this is happening where they. have declared an autonomous state. outside the jurisdiction of the United. States is in a really highly gentrified. neighborhood and my my former office is. actually in Chas so if I were still. working at this stranger I would be. entering you know entering the zone. every day which would be sort of ironic. because right now apparently during the. the protest someone someone graffiti'd.

[ __ ] Herzog on the door of the stranger. so it might be a little bit awkward for. me to try to get to work through Chad's. at this point luckily that doesn't. happen so this area is super highly. gentrified it's the historic gay name. in Seattle and it still has like rainbow. crosswalks and lots of gay people and. said like that but it's also really. expensive it's mostly like you know like. chain ramen shops and 3000 $4000 studio. apartments a lot of amazon workers live. there so I'm I keep imagining what the.

like well-heeled upper-middle class. Amazon workers think about their new. overlords and there's also so they've. taken over this Park and the park is. surrounded by multi-million dollar. condos and townhouses and so I just I'm. really curious about what the residents. of chad's think about about what is. happening to their neighborhood I'm sure. some are totally supportive and I'm sure. some are just absolutely terrified why. is the Pacific Northwest historically. been a bastion of of a lot of activism.

and a lot of anarchists are out there. what is going on over there is it the. rain is it the weather are you wanna. some type of is it an energy vortex what. is happening with Portland and Seattle. and these places that make them such a. hotbed of this type of activity that's a. great question I don't know the history. of this how long this has been going on. I mean you know like 20 years ago were. the WTO rights in Seattle which were the.

world the World Trade Organization had a. meeting there and the city just erupted. into total chaos much like we're seeing. now although a lot of it seems to have. calmed down in Portland of course has. its own fair share of activism the. cities are different and some in some. important ways and what's happening in. Portland and to a lesser extent in. Seattle is that so both of these these. are very blue cities that are surrounded. by can by more conservative suburbs and. rural areas and so in Portland what you.

will have is like proud boys or Patriot. prayer or something these conservative. groups come in from the suburbs or the. rural areas and just sort of stage their. marches there and you know it's a lot of. American flags and pro-trump stuff and. then an Tifa and other like affiliated. are anarchists and just people who like. to fight in the streets will just come. in and respond to them and there's this. clash and it feels very much like you. know like LARPing like cosplay. sort of revolution cosplay where nothing. actually changes nobody's mind is chains.

just some like [ __ ] gets destroyed and. then everybody you know the proud boys. go back to their go back to their. suburbs and the ante if it goes back to. their you know they're the coops that. they live in or their parents basement. or whatever yeah so it is interesting. both areas do tend to be hot beds for. this sort of political activism I mean. also both areas are sort of the cities. at least are politically very homogenous. so you have basically no presence of a.

Republican Party and I think when you. have an ideologically homogeneous area. what happens is extremism you know if. you don't have anyone to sort of check. your ideas I just sort of naturally flow. to the edges of acceptable thought so I. think that's also probably a probably a. part of it where you know we hear a lot. about empty fun you know you see them. and you see the things they do and. they're absurd and then we see like you. know they're directing traffic and. they're not letting people go back you.

know who like is aunt Eva. is there any organization is it just a. ragtag group of I mean what is it is it. in your estimation a terrorist network. like what is it and does it deserve that. type of designation I mean I don't know. what is it I don't I do not think in. chief as a terrorist organization I. don't even think aunt Eva is a big. threat to cities like Portland OR. Seattle that do have a larger presence. of an tisha antifa. it's just a group I mean anybody can.

join in chief or black bloc or whatever. you just put on the put you put on the. outfit and you go hold up a protest sign. or cover your face with a with a. balaclava although these days. everybody's face is covered so a little. bit harder to pick auntie fat out of a. crowd it's not there's no hierarchy it's. you know it's anarchist in nature and. antifa sort of appears at moments and. then disappears as soon as they're as. soon as the fight is over it's not this. is not they don't have much political. but they don't have any political power.

they're not a democratic group they're I. guess they're far-left but they don't. have political ideals in the way that we. think of sort of like get people elected. go through. legislative process I think their aims. are much more about dismantling the. state dismantling capitalism and I'm. sure there's lots of you know people who. are committed to the cause and there's. also lots of people who just like to you. know like to play pretend like to sort. of get all pissed off and go and break. some windows we were gonna do a sketch. called fat and Tifa. where me and my co straight comp we're.

gonna dress up in all black and it was. guys that we're going to a March but. kept getting sidetracked by different. fast-food places and then at the end we. just attacked like a trump supporter. like a 14 year old and they beat the. [ __ ] out of us and we never filmed it. but it was an idea that we had. he's part when you look at these. protests and there's such valid anger. right I mean there's such righteous. justified anger Dave Chappelle did an. amazing job it like articulating it is.

the major disconnect with a lot of these. protests what how how any of them lead. to political change like how does a. group of angry angry people who are very. justified in their anger how do they. affect the political process many people. believe that that can no longer happen. that we're living in a time where. elections you know don't matter at all.

even local ones and that they're this. this chaotic energy will just be a means. and an end where these systems will all. somehow magically be remade I don't know. but is that one of the issues that. you're looking at this and going you. have this anger it makes a lot of sense. it's very justified but then a lot of it. seems to be like directed it like ending. isms and racism and capitalism and it. seems like well wait a minute why don't.

we focus on one thing at a time which is. like ending police brutality and then. people say well that's a function of. your privilege you're talked about it's. just a function of my logical brain. going through how are you going to end. an ism during a pandemic and an economic. meltdown why don't why Kay so how do you. what do you see as the biggest issue. with these Pro. it's really enacting any type of real. reform or change well I think the.

problem is that the loudest activists. are oftentimes out of touch with the. American people and so even if people. who support the protests who recognize. that police brutality is a problem that. corruption and police forces is a. problem that racism is a problem and the. two things can be disconnected you know. police brutality white people Asian. people Hispanics everybody is affected. by police brutality specific actually. Native Americans are the group most. affected by it and so if you divorce it.

from sort of the cause of black lives. matter I personally think you would have. more legislative success because you can. build a core a bigger coalition if you. say police brutality and bad policing. affects every community in this country. every race in this country and it's not. going to alienate white people. particularly conservative white people I. think as much as the current sort of. protests have the potential to do and so. you have that problem and then you have. the problem of sort of the sloganeering. right so what you see in the streets and.

what you see on the news if you turn on. the news is people chanting things like. abolish the police defund the police. this year these are not popular. positions and among the American. populace you know the protesters as. righteous as they feel and I do think. they have you know just reasons to be. angry and to feel righteous themselves. but these these radical policy positions. like abolishing the police are not. popular even among black communities. that suffer from the highest rates of. violence what they actually when you. pull when you look at polls of black.

communities typically what they say is. we don't want to abolish the police we. want functional police we want the. police to to help us when we call them. to not ignore us and not to brutalize us. not to defund them and not to and. there's some irony here when you talk. about defunding the police well if you. defund the police that means there will. be fewer police men police people the. police forces which means that response. times when somebody calls sign on one. are gonna go up and according to the.

Seattle Police Department this is this. is already happening right now then they. also have beautiful of [ __ ] so we. have to take everything. they say I think with a some skepticism. the police chief for instance this week. said that in Chad's businesses were. being [ __ ] you know shaking down for. money and basically that the residents. of Chad's were exhorting the local you. know they're their new tenants and it. turns out that this doesn't appear to be. true so I think we should be skeptical. that said once you talk to people if you.

talk to protesters and you say like you. know were the leaders of these protests. I guess in some cases self-appointed. leaders and you know you might say like. well what do you mean by abolish to the. police and they say like oh we don't. really mean abolish the police we mean. like break the police force down and. rebuild it up is something different or. defund the police and use the money for. community policing but when you rely on. slogans. it's like build the wall you know or. something like that it's just sort of an. empty slogan and I think this has the.

capacity to really turn people off I. mean that said I think they're seeing. some successes you know San Francisco. today the mayor of San Francisco and. announced some some police reform some. reforms to the police department that. could actually have an impact on police. brutality Minneapolis it looks like they. are going to sort of defund the police. and try to rebuild rebuild it into a. community policing organization or. something like that who knows if that. will be any different did you see that. Andrew yang tweet where he goes why. don't we just call them the Guardians.

thing is like you can change the name. and if you still have the same populates. it's not gonna actually change anything. so I think a lot it a lot of this look. and hearing is empty or it's out of. touch with with how most Americans feel. but we are seeing I think some successes. from this group and we'll see we'll see. how long it goes you know I think. there's potential for leaders to emerge. that maybe could have a future in. politics although I'm not sure that. anybody anybody that I'm aware of has. particularly emerged on the national.

stage at this point. Brianna Taylor's law just got passed. where they're getting rid of no-knock. warrants which are you know they're. right you know that that's a step in the. right direction but there there seems to. be this wing of people that aren't happy. with the word reform and they don't like. incremental change of any. kind and they don't like even me saying. things like that's a step in the right. direction they believe that the only way. to fix this system is to tear it all. down now to people like myself and.

others that are marginally intelligent. we realize that that's not possible like. you're not going to happen and if you. defund the police rich communities are. going to hire private police forces that. probably have less accountability than. the public police forces right now that. you now you and this you got a lot of. issues as a writer in terms of people. getting angry at you people have called.

you a turf which means you're a trans. exclusionary radical feminist or. something right is not what that means. that's the acronym I am NOT a turf or a. radical feminist or really even a. feminist at this point right but so I. guess I'm just radical feminist you I. think you wrote an article on Jordan. Peterson that that angered people what. was the beginning of Katie Herzog being. on the outs at the stranger which is we. would we would say is a very left-wing. publication out of Seattle and you you.

became like persona non grata there how. did that happen it actually happened. before I was hired so I was a freelancer. writing in Seattle and and I one of the. first pieces that I wrote for the. stranger was called the D transitioners. and it was about people from transition. from one gender to the other and then. changed their mind and transition back. and this was in 2017 and it caused just. this like massive firestorm like people. were literally burning stacks of the. paper and sending me video of it just.

like there are Flyers up in my. neighborhood calling the paper. transphobic my editors made transphobic. like the coffee shops that I would go to. I would walk in and there would be like. flyers calling me transphobic so there. was just a massive outcry I don't know. how many people who are mad at about the. piece actually read the piece because. the piece was not by any stretch of the. imagination transphobic it I got the. voices of lots of happily transition. people in there it was just about this. sort of small subset and a phenomenon. it's something that is happening and in. the three years since the piece is. published it's the community of D.

transitioners has really emerged on. their own. they're much more visible now but this. was sort of one of the earlier pieces. about this phenomenon what attracted you. to write about that were you concerned. about maybe people transitioning too. early what did you have no agenda when. you wrote it were you kind of like just. interested in this group of people my. what I'm interested in is heretics and. people who speak out at some cost to. themselves and I found that among the D.

transitioners that I spoke to so. oftentimes they felt really shunned by. their own communities the trans and. queer communities that they had. typically lived in just sort of cast. them out and they continue to speak up. about it despite the own social costs of. themselves you know it's sort of ironic. that after I read this piece the exact. same thing happened to me and I sort of. knew that it would I had talked to other. people who'd written not even critically. about trans issues but had just had. written about trans issues in a way that. didn't sort of parrot the contemporary.

party line and they'd all had similar. experiences so it wasn't totally. unexpected and you know I'm so I'm a. lesbian I've lived in in queer. communities for let's see the last like. almost 20 years of my life and I did. start to notice that more and more. people were transitioning you know and. there can be a lot of a lot of reasons. for this like for one people know about. it you know it's possible now in a way. that it wasn't before but I started to. notice this like in like things rapidly.

accelerated around 2016-2017 in my. community where all of a sudden you. would have a household that had maybe. you know five lesbians all transition. within the same year and I just found it. I'm like I won't lie I found it. troubling in some respects because it. just seemed like statistically this is. impossible how could this entire. community be you know be deciding that. they were that they have you know they. were born in the wrong body or or they.

have gender dysphoria or whatever at the. same time it just it seemed it struck me. as trendy to be totally frank about it. and now that I know I make my money. Humpy's Rihanna I don't have to worry. about being cancelled so I can say. things like this um so that's when I. started to sort of look a little bit. more critically. what was going on and I think that my. initial instincts were have been sort of. proven proven out you know several years. later that we are seeing this very very. rapid rise and it's not something I'm.

overly concerned about it's something I. observe you know and in terms of adults. adults are free to do whatever they want. if you want like to change your body I. think that is absolutely you know within. within your rights to do so I would. support anybody who does it I do think. it gets more complicated with children. though because this issue has been. studied for decades and what most. studies find is that children who report. to gender identity clinics from a young. age by the time they're adults between. 60 and 90 percent of them will have.

decided that they don't want to. transition and they are they're fine. living and their sex at birth which i. think is is preferable in some ways and. I know it there's a danger of saying. that like conservatives would always say. like you know wouldn't it be better if. gay people couldn't be gay but I think. the difference is that being gay only. causes you to stress if if you're. receiving that that message from from. society right I don't think there's. anything inherently that if you didn't. have sort of conservatives or Christians. or any other group not just Christians.

Muslims whatever any sort of. fundamentalist group saying that what. you are is wrong I don't think it would. cause people distress inherently you. know without that sort of social. influence but gender dysphoria is is a. as a condition it's defined by distress. right and so I think we need to be. really cautious about about pediatric. transition because what the research has. found is that between 60 and 90 percent. of kids who who arrive at gender. identity clinics eventually revert to.

their sex at birth feel okay about it so. their dysphoria is a leave door they. have found a different way of dealing. with their dysphoria besides taking. hormones in surgery that are you know. perm that cause permanent changes to. your body and in some side effects and. most of the children who grow out of it. end up being gay or lesbian repeated. over and over and over are these studies. controvert i would imagine a. controversial but why are they ignored. by many trans activists and people in.

that community. why what is the big push for why can't. people just say listen when you're an. adult you should know I know it's a. complex issue because a lot of people. say if you have Trude that gender. dysphoria making you go through puberty. has a gender that you are not is some. form of abuse that's the argument on the. other side but why do people not take. these studies more seriously that say. many of the people who do this end up.

regretting it on the other end well the. reason for this is because historically. there have been a lot of gatekeepers. when it comes to trans health care so. until relatively recently if you wanted. to transition from one sex to the other. or from one gender to the other you. would have to live as your preferred. your preferred gender sex for I think. two years minimum before you could get. hormones or surgery you had to have a. you know a lot of meetings for. therapists and doctors there's things. like this it wasn't easy and the model. of healthcare has changed so what what's.

now called informed consent and in under. under these these sort of policies or. best practices informed consent. basically means that someone goes to a. doctor or therapist and says like I I'm. trans I've gender dysphoria and there's. also as a sort of interesting aside a. lot of trans activists now say that you. don't have to have gender dysphoria to. be trans but so regardless or an that. you don't have to take hormones or. surgery you just say that you're trans. and or say that you're the the Jenner.

that you want to be and you know you are. without doing anything to change your. body and that's a new phenomena and I. don't think we would have seen this 10. or 15 years ago for the most part so. after this informed consent model change. all of the gatekeepers sort of. disappeared and for trans people. specifically trans adults this is a. really good thing because they did have. to go through these sort of onerous. processes to get the health care that. they needed and so now we've just sort. of gone in radically the other direction. where you just go to a doctor and you. say I would like to have you know a.

double mastectomy or I'd like to have. surgery or whatever and they'll do it. you know and I think they're I think. there's you're just you're gonna see. more false positives with with not. having gatekeepers but I think there are. good reasons for trans activists. push back on the gatekeeper model. because a lot of them live through it. and are terrified that you know that. something like this would happen again. or you know future generations will have. to go through this ownerís years long. process before they're able to get. health care so that's why they push back. against these studies I think they push.

back against them for valid reasons you. know they're concerned but the problem. is that the data doesn't disappear right. these lives don't disappear you can. ignore the study you can and you can you. know are you with the methodology or. whatever say the claim that the study is. is flawed in too many ways but that's. not going to change the reality which is. that the more children you have who. transition at a young age the more false. positives you're gonna have and the more. of them are gonna regret it later on. you've probably heard a lot of people.

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them but you know it schools like. Oberlin and Wesleyan in places like that. people are identifying as non-binary how. much of that because to me and I'm on. patreon I don't have to I can do. whatever I want a lot of it to me seems. like a identity crisis that's not really. rooted in any true gender dysphoria as. much as it's rooted in a socio-political. understanding of the world and a desire. to be maybe in a protected or a desire.

to be in a group of people that's not. seen as the oppressor and how much of. this is a phase and how many of these. people grow out of that non-binary. distinction and then just live either. regular heterosexual or homosexual lives. I'm not sure that this has been studied. and I think that the phenomenon and it's. probably too young or too new to to have. good data on that but I agree with you I. find that personally I find the concept. of non-binary is incredibly regressive.

because it presupposes that there that. if you're not non-binary if you're. non-binary than what am I does that make. me binary and it relies on these. stereotypes right so if you talk to. people and you say like alright I've. done this I have a lot of friends who. identify as non-binary and trans now. more actually everyday and not because. I'm meeting new people so and I've had. these conversations my friends so so. explain to me like what does it feel. like to be non-binary and they'll say. and I do say is both the single area and. the plural in this case well you know.

sometimes I when I wake up I I feel like. a man and sometimes I feel like a woman. all right well what does that mean or I. feel like neither what does that mean. well sometimes I want to wear masculine. clothes and sometimes I want to wear FM. clothes and so to me that's just. reinforcing stereotypes that I think. both men and women would be better off. rejecting and so that's my problem with. with the idea of non-binary I think it. just reinforces this it reinforces the. binary and this like very sort of ironic. twist and I think I'd like to be totally.

Frank I think it's very trendy it is. trendy there's like it I'm sure that. lots of people would get mad at me for. saying this but it is undeniably trendy. and it you know it's like identity is. such a huge thing now and like when I. was when I was a teenager I don't think. we ever talked about identity we talked. about sort of a clique that you were in. and a style that you had and I think. there's a lot of overlap like you know. we had the goth kids and all kids and. the jocks and the rednecks or whatever. and now you have you just like adding up. no we have non binaries and then I have. Indies and activists and the anarchists.

and you know yeah and the asexuals and. the a romantics and the furries and it's. just this like we just have more labels. than I ever would have imagined. wrote an article about furries I've. written so many articles I don't need. you doing this I'm sure I'm sure that I. did at some point what is the furry. community and how are they helping black. lives matter the furry community so. furry it's gonna be a couple different. things the most interesting furries are.

the furries who dressed up like stuffed. animals and have sex with each other. like in the suits right in their first. days so that's what I've always thought. of as very sad but there's awesome it's. now it has gone from sort of a kink to. an identity and not all for user have. sex in their suits not all furries or. king stirs and not all King stirs are. furries. but it what started out as I can't guy. think has become much more of an. identity that people take seriously the. great thing about phrase is that they. tend to have like anime avatars in there.

and their BIOS are like cartoon drawings. of themselves in their first suit so. it's a really good signal of who not to. take seriously. yeah my friend Nick Malin made a very. interesting point once about a lot of. the people that you see it like. identifying as non-binary a lot of them. it's either not only anime avatars but. they're kind of like nerds they're very. they're they seem to be over invested in. like these mythological worlds I think. that's why JK Rowling's treason hit them. so hard dude I know I have like I have.

an ex-girlfriend who who called me out. when I rent this D trans piece like. excommunicated me from her life we were. on good terms but just like was done. with me after I wrote this piece and she. has about six Harry Potter tattoos. obviously like at this point I can't ask. her how she's feeling but I just wonder. how quickly she made the appointment to. get all of her tattoos covered up yeah. what do you think it is what is the. overlap there between nerds and people. that have some type of sexual identity. crisis and I mean nerds not like nerds.

like people that are coders but I mean. people that you know whatever play Magic. the Gathering like are love these. mythological worlds also a lot of them. there seems to be an overlap with people. that have sexual identity issues if you. could stipling if you could guess what. that overlap would be or postulate what. it might be what do you think it is okay. this. pure speculation so I don't know if. anybody has studied this I have no no. like good data on this just pure.

speculation so I think there might be. two things and the first one I say with. a little bit of hesitation because I. feel like I could get me in trouble but. I'm gonna do it anyway. I think the first connection is autism. so there's a really high and this is not. so much about furries or fantasy worlds. that it's getting good we're getting rid. we're getting we're getting close to the. meat the meat is tender closer to the. bone keep going ok so there has been. research on natal females so what we. typically think of is like teen girls. who transition to either male or.

non-binary or whatever so this. population has spiked in recent years. and there's some the there's some. overlap between NATO females who the. concept is called rapid onset gender. dysphoria so it's basically a population. who doesn't have a history a pediatric. history of gender dysphoria but sort of. spends a lot of time online and decides. at some point that that he or she are. they're trans um and like surprisingly.

high percentage and I don't know the. numbers doesn't have my head and I don't. know if anybody does actually but there. is some overlap with people on the. autism spectrum disorder so I think that. might be part of it people who maybe are. more drawn to the online world who who's. social skills are making human. connections face to face is in sort of. their primary way of interacting with. the world and when you spend a lot of. time in online communities it's just. like any other community what's.

happening in the community rubs off on. you so I mean I think I think we're in. the midst of a social contagion in terms. of trans death it's probably not. something I would have said that if I. still worked at the stranger and and you. know had an editor who could yell at me. for it but I think anybody who's really. been observing this would say that it's. obvious what explains the rise in autism. oh that I have no idea well I mean I. probably I've done a little bit of. research on this and I think probably. well vaccines obviously but it's not. that there's a do you think that you. know okay I don't think I don't think.

that's right no there's a I think Tikes. you had my audit you had my audience and. you just lost. just lost him it's a it's a fickle group. when you said Oh a trans people are. autistic they were like they press. subscribe on your patreon they press. donate and then when you said autism. didn't come from vaccines their finger. went off the button so you gotta be very. careful but so if it's not vaccines and. I'm not saying it's vaccines what do I. know I was vaccinated I'm fine you know.

what more or less more or less what do. you think it could be oh I think I. probably died like better diagnostic. tools I mean it's possible that people. are I did see okay there's a book called. by Johann Hari called I'm forgetting the. name of it but the latest book by Johann. Hari who's a journalist wrote a book. about the causes of the root causes of. depression and anxiety. specifically depression and if I asked. like most people on the street what. causes depression what I think they're.

going to tell me is there's a chemical. imbalance right and it turns out that. that's not true according according to. Harry that really that was like the idea. that there's a serotonin imbalance in. your head and that's the reason you're. depressed is based on like a very small. study in the 1960s that was never. replicated what he argues and I'm not an. expert on this so this I'm just like. repeating his fighting so if anybody. gets mad about this yell at him and. instead of me what he argues is that. depression and anxiety are much more a. response to living in a disconnected. world people are depressed because our.

lives are shitty and it's actually a. natural response and there is evidence. that SSRIs things like you know um pack. solar or lorazepam or whatever these are. these drugs that are used to treat. depression anxiety are mostly effective. as placebos and so I bring this up in. the context of autism because there's. one line in his book that I don't know. if this is true please like this is this. is just like anybody who's listening to. this research this yourself before you. take this at face value he says that.

there is some evidence that there may be. a correlation between taking birth. control and autism I mean I'm sorry I'm. sorry. not taking birth control about taking. SSRIs and autism so we've seen a spike. in and the uses of antidepressants at. the same time that we've seen a spike. and incidences of autism I want to I. want to. I wanted like real like just I am NOT an. expert on this so nobody consider what. I'm saying I think you say here's don't.

take the medicine folks you don't need. it my mother who's a schizophrenic she. probably needs it she well she I mean to. be honest the way the world is unfolding. I'm I wonder if we're gonna have to go. apologize to my mother because. everything she's saying is happening she. said there were people you know um. listen it's very interesting right when. you talk about anxiety and depression. because a lot of people have this again. as an identity like I grew up with. genuine mental illness my mother was.

genuinely paranoid schizophrenic. she thought people were following her. she thought members of the family were. stealing from her I'm she had nothing to. take [ __ ] beanie baby she thought out. she said it Christmas dinner once Elvis. might have been her father or her father. might have been a big celebrity I can't. see that I mean if you flipped your hair. back you could be hip gyration. yes they're not bad they're not great. but so I was very skeptical of what I. when I when I looked at and I saw people.

that were diagnosing themselves with. anxiety off Instagram like they were you. know so it seems like the rise in these. not to say that these things don't exist. but like again it feels very tied to the. need to have an identity and a way to. put yourself in a box and say hey I. suffer from this I suffer you know a lot. of men and comedy straight white men in. comedy have to go out now and say.

they're anxious or they depress I. struggle with depression I'm anxious. even though I'm white I'm anxious I go. through things too so it is interesting. to talk about that and of course now. these pharmaceutical companies are. making billions of dollars marketing. solutions to these problems right. I do think anxiety and depression are. real but I think that the cause might. not be what we have always consumed the. cause to be these chemical imbalances. and and that's where I've sort of found.

out but I do think you're on to. something about you know you're put. becoming your identity and also it seems. undeniable that victimhood culture is. sort of very and also be poor diet right. I mean right white you know things like. my least favorite thing to do in the. world is exercise I know that if I. exercise I would be less anxious and. less depressed but that's hard it is. hard to get up and like move your body. and sweat and it's not fun it doesn't. feel good so what is easier going out. and doing these things that actually. will make you feel better about the.

world or taking a pill I can totally see. the appeal of taking the pill it's just. easier but I mean there's also lots of. evidence that the pills are mostly. effective as placebos and they don't. work long-term. you know people have to continue upping. the dosage of the of their medication. all the time and there are really. serious side effects which is the which. is the problem you know if you were just. taking a sugar pill and you're it. relieved your depression anxiety it. wouldn't have any side effects but if. you're taking something that you know. make sure boobs grow bigger or smaller. or makes you go bald or makes RuPaul.

shrink or whatever you know whatever it. is well that's a problem why do you. think I mean I do think people are. genuinely anxious and depressed because. we live in a world that is actually. safer in some respects than I've ever. been you know 2020 aside but we still. live in these ways that are pretty. unnatural for humans you know especially. in the midst of a pandemic like how many. people have been stuck in their. apartments alone for three months and. now you can go out and protest so that's. that's like your get out get out of. apartment free card but just humans.

aren't meant to live like this and it. and it makes us kind of crazy and we're. also not meant to spend all of our time. staring at [ __ ] screens all day no. we're not what do you think what's. what's happened in academia and the type. of ideas that have thrived in the. academic space for more than a decade. but certainly a really contentious in. the last decade are now bleeding out. into the media you're seeing it at the. New York Times with the editor James. Bennett the editorial editor whatever. resigned because they published an.

article by Tom cotton Senator Tom cotton. with a position which was if the cops. can't contained chaos got to bring in. the military at the time they published. the article I think that in polls had. you know support of 58% of people were. supporting Tom cotton. and they ran it in the new york times. there's been essentially like a coup you. see it's happening in James Bennett. resigned there are other newsrooms. reportedly Andrew Sullivan gay writer at. The New Yorker cannot publish an order. here Andrews at New York magazine New.

York magazine he cannot publish an. article about the riots and every. article that he does publish has to be. vetted a bunch of times to make sure. that it doesn't you know trigger people. so a lot of these ideas that were. confined to classrooms and confined to. the universities have now bled out into. the media and people are saying you know. it's a matter of time before they enter. the government are they enter the court. system what are these ideas how would.

you because they've been called a lot of. things right Jordan Peterson has said. it's post modernism a lot of people said. it's neo Marxism some people say it's. the excesses of political correctness. what how would you qualify these ideas. and why is there spread seemingly you. know why are they now so popular and and. and and why don't more people recognize. that they these ideas inherently lead to.

a more divisive society with more. violence than the one that we have now. which is which is what I see I see that. when I read were the way that you know. people want people to interact and the. amount of stresses you're putting on. people in these social situations that. are of different races and different. genders the attack on humor which is. huge which is too thin by the way nobody. in the Ivy League realizes this because. they've never had a shitty job when you. work a shitty low wage minimum rate a. minimum wage job the jokes that you do.

to each other are race jokes their base. level humor that makes people laugh. because the only things you guys have in. common and the only things that you can. really isolate about each other are are. characteristic so if you're fat or if. you're gay I haven't been either of. those two things but if you are Irish. I've suffered for that so people end up. and in the Ivy League or in the text you. know companies or places like that Dave.

never worked a shitty job where. everyone's kind of miserable and you're. blowing off steam so I just look at the. way that they want to configure the. world and I say this leads to more. alienation more isolation and ultimately. more violence I think you're right there. is a lot of argument about what to call. this moment or the genesis of this. moment I mean as you mentioned a lot of. this comes from academia and they sort. of postmodern and critical race studies. critical you know jet critical study or. CRC excuse me theory Studies series lots.

of things that cannot be proved they can. only be postulated and you have seen. this really break down in the past or. break out into the mainstream over the. past couple of weeks since the murder of. George Floyd which is frankly a bit a. little bit refreshing to see because. I've been talking and bitching and. warning people about the excesses of the. social justice left and what's happening. on colleges for years and people have. said things like it's just you know it's. campus it's college kids being college. kids college kids demanding trigger. warnings trying to deep platform.

speakers basically rejecting all notions. of free speech and free expect as free. expression and diversity of thought just. this narrowing of liberal values and I. don't mean liberalism democratic was. sort of enlightenment values and we've. been seeing this those of us have been. paying attention have been seeing this. for years and now it has broken open. into the mainstream which is in some. ways a relief and I think you're right. this something that started in academia. has really spread out and it's. everywhere in media there as you. mentioned Bennett got forced to.

essentially step down from New York. Times for basically publishing a. problematic op-ed by a sitting u.s. senator. there have been firings over the past. couple weeks and or the past week or so. at bon appetit refinery29 the. Philadelphia Inquirer a journalist that. the CBC was fired for saying that inward. as she was quoting somebody she was you. know it's the same thing that happened. to Papa John last year where you can't. say this word even to quote somebody the. second city's sat down CrossFit there's. been lots and lots of these firings I.

think probably the most egregious one. was a guy named David Shore who tweeted. an article it was this not an article it. was a study that had been conducted by a. black man that looked at public. perception of violent versus nonviolent. approach. in the 1960s and what he found is that. violent protests tended to make voters. drift to the raid nonviolent protests. increased Democratic turnout and so this. basically analysts tweeted this out and. there's a massive outcry a study by a. black man so he tweets us out there's a.

massive outcry he got fired from his job. right and so this is gonna continue. happening someone in my DMS refer to. what's happening right now is me too for. microaggressions and I think that's very. apt way of putting it and one of the. parallels is that you're seeing these. purges in the same industries that. affected the me two that were affected. during me too so media tech academia. these sort of elite institutions mostly. dominated by upper upper middle class. and wealthy people where you're not.

seeing it as much and where I don't. think you're going to see it as much is. in you know in the working class right. so restaurant the places where you're. actually more likely to be you know to. experience actual racism not. microaggressions but actual overt racism. or overt sexual harassment and this is. not to minimize the experiences that. people have you know have gone through. it sort of the upper echelon of American. culture but you know I worked at I. worked in cafes I worked at restaurants. I was a dishwasher like that is actually. where you get sexually harassed and that.

is actually where you hear like overtly. racist comments and I do not think. you're going to be seeing these purges. and that and that sort of class in sort. of the underclass and I also don't think. they will the underclass will benefit. and as much as sort of the upper the. upper class as well from this early some. people will benefit is the excesses of. the kind of gangster capitalism that we. have now where you have lots of wealthy. institutions and corporations avoiding.

taxes and essentially creating a. parallel world for themselves to live in. they are now using the language of. social justice to communicate their. commitment to changing the world but. largely it's a static and that is still. they're still running out the back door. with a pot with a bag of money right. there's a lot of irony and seeing. somebody like Jeff Bezos like lauded as. a hero for making a pro black lives. matter statement when I get. as actually gives a [ __ ] about black. lives he could you know make sure that.

his black employees get bathroom breaks. at his fulfillment centers or healthcare. you know same thing with companies like. uber and lyft in all of these these tech. company or the NFL any of these. companies that have you know come out. and made their statement but it also. right now the pressure to conform is so. high that it is not surprising to me at. all that brands are jumping on this for. one not doing it would be terrible PR. there's been a list circulating among. like in the LA theater scene like a. crowdsourced list that notes which which. theater companies or whatever people in.

this in this field haven't come out and. made a you know a pro black lives matter. statement and so if you're worried it's. been a New York so maybe that's there is. not feeling up to up to the ruling class. other than the paying the lip service. what are they are they're people right. now sitting in the smoke-filled rooms. going this is good for us.

keep them divided let's feed the flames. are they like hey let's figure out a way. you know I'm talking about the people. that are at Davos two people go to the. Bilderberg Group the people that own. these media companies that are you know. government intelligence you know. national security apparatus chrome deep. state call them whatever. permanent political class of people. largely unelected there because they. have a lot of money what are they doing. what is their what are they gonna try to.

do how do they are they gonna try to. wield this anger that you see right now. I have to admit I don't have any. connections in the deep State so I'm not. a I'm not sure I'd be able to really. answer that question but you know. historically how many of these protest. groups have been co-opted by the FBI I. mean look at coin type Pro I mean look. at all of these things right right I. mean we know that a lot of times things. are pushed in and and maybe we don't. even need you know the infiltration. anymore because people are just ready to.

push things further than they should go. by themselves but like you know you have. a lot of billionaires in this country. you have a lot of wealth and you have a. lot of people what are they. if you could speculate what do you think. they are feeling at this precise moment. are they seeing things come are the. wheels coming off or are they not coming. off and are we all overreacting because. we're paying such high you know hyper. close attention all this I think there.

are a couple of different issues here I. mean what are they feeling I bet some of. them are feeling a lot of white guilt if. they are anything like the people who. I'm following in my and my social media. feeds and the friends that I'm talking. to a lot of white guilt probably um will. that actually change anything like Jeff. Bezos feel some white guilt is he. actually gonna change the you know. policies about Amazon I don't think so I. don't think that he will you know I. think that the reason that companies and. brands are engaging this is because to. be perceived as racist is will kill your. brand I have no idea what the people.

pulling the strings at Davos or behind. the scenes think of any of this I mean. you make it sound like they're you know. sort of they've got devil horns sticking. out of their heads and I don't and I. don't know though that's true it sounds. a little conspiratorial to me and you. could tell me right you said devil horns. I didn't think of the horns what I'm. saying is that the what I've read about. the fine folks at these places are the. ones that frequented little st. James. the ones that cut the sweetheart deal. for Jeffrey Epstein the people that you.

know get us into Wars all over the place. that we need not be in I'm a little. skeptical I'm just I'm curious as to. what they think about this that's what. I'm not saying they all have devil horns. but I'm saying they have entrenched. interests right you know and you wonder. in a period of chaos like this what they. feel I wonder if they've soured on Trump. I wonder if they cuz they're not a. monolith by the way I mean nobody that's. read about this stuff that's saying. thinks that these people are monolith.

but they do exist I mean the reality is. like you know these things are real. Obama gate is real Brennan and clapper. these people are real you know they have. interests they have the the capability. to do lots of things behind the scenes. and I'm just I'm do you and it's a. question for you as a journalist do you. ignore that dimension of power. completely do you see. that dimension of power is just a. fantasy of Yahoo's on Twitter you don't.

give any credence to the idea that there. are very wealthy very powerful people. that operate behind the scenes no I. think that's probably likely true it's. not something that I follow and probably. because you know I'm not an. investigative journalist and that. particularly problem I mean you're being. cancelled at the CIA hijacking your car. I mean I mean what yeah I'm more worried. about is okay so I'm worried about a. couple things I'm worried that the.

protest now are gonna lead to a backlash. in which Donald Trump gets elected and. I'm worried about that not because like. I like I don't think I think Tom. derangement said in Israel I don't think. I personally suffer for it but I do. think like I do think orange man is bad. and not because like and I actually. think that the president has too much. power so if you have a total bungling. idiot in the White House and he isn't. actually able to get anything done I'm. like I'm okay with that I mean they just. told a black news anchor on Fox that. Lincoln may not did you see that yeah. where he goes.

Lincoln late what Lincoln did was mixed. freeing the slaves he does you don't. really know and then the black anchor on. Fox News had to go well we're free and. he goes yes you free no I mean the. United States he's also doing a rally at. Tulsa Oklahoma that's the scene of a. massacre black time he's doing it on. Juneteenth are all of these things you. know I mean I don't know I mean is this. guy I think I think it's red meat I. think he's just trying to rile up his. base I think he's trying to capitalize. on what happens now on what's happening. now and from you know from like not even.

nevertrump errs but Republicans who have. been more supportive of Trump. they have criticized them the sort of. intellectual Republicans have criticized. his handling of this crisis and the. pandemic they have criticized him I. don't know that they represent the base. and Trump needs his base to come out and. he doesn't need him to come out. everywhere but he needs them to come out. and a few select districts and a few. select States to win you know because of. our electoral college to win just a few. states and he'll have the election and.

I'm very terrified that the backlash is. going to lead to that that's. I'm also scared and not equally scared. but I am also scared concerned let's say. that if Joe Biden wins Joe Biden is not. woke right and Joe Biden he's you know. he's old as [ __ ] he I sort of all of his. like his his gas and his missteps I sort. of like them because what they show me. is that he is intentionally not. politically correct but I think right. now the pressure to appoint people to.

his cabinet who are representative of. these sort of illiberal liberals I think. we're gonna see that and so my concern. is that Biden gets elected and he. appoints Robyn D'Angelo Julie the you. know the new like department of. reparations or something like that. hopefully he wouldn't appoint a white. woman to do that but these sort of. critical theorists that we are just. talking about I am worried about that. being intransigent government and you're. already seeing this in education so.

education system specifically in cities. like New York and in Seattle I'm sure. it's this Avenue in San Francisco. probably LA sort of the big metro areas. but all over the world they teach this. critical race theory that is basically. it's essentialist in nature and it. focuses everything on race right and I. don't actually think that that's good. for the Republic I think the more you. focus on race the more you're going to. have resentful white people responding.

to that in a negative way because people. don't like to feel guilty because of. their race they just don't and so I'm. concerned about about Biden getting into. the office and appointing a bunch of. like you know University cuckoos who are. then gonna be dictating policy like. Elizabeth Warren you remember did you. watch the lbgtq Town Hall last year I'm. ashamed to say I did not oh well you. really missed that it was only about. nine hours long and there was a lot of. like crazy rhetoric like at one point. there was a lot of like outbursts and.

protests which was sort of funny because. mostly was happening during mayor Pete. the one gay guy who did that like him so. these politicians like at one point and. you probably heard this Elizabeth Warren. said that if she is elected she would. appoint or she would that she would. allow a nine-year-old trans kid they. Jacob who was in the audience to vet the. next Secretary of Education and maybe. that was just rhetoric I think it's in. like utter insanity for one thing it's a. campaign ad for Donald Trump but it's. also just stupid on its face right we.

don't let children we don't let children. dictate who's going to be the next. Secretary of Education and I don't care. how trans they are or how cute they are. we just don't do that so that's my fear. is that this current moment is going to. force Biden to adopt some of the. identitarian they're like far left. identitarian policies that some of his. opponents like Warren and Castro and and. occurr inherence basically everyone else. even marianne williamson we're. advocating for that I don't think Biden.

really believes in but just the pressure. has built the momentum has built and. even if it doesn't reflect the you know. the dominant perspective of the American. voter but it does reflect as a dominant. perspective of the media Twitter the. loudest most powerful voices what is the. endgame for the critical race Theory the. people that push this narrative what is. their endgame what would they like. society to look like if they had their. way I think they would they want power I.

think that's that's the endgame and this. makes it sound more sort of duplicitous. that I think and I think it really is I. think a lot of these people are true. believers there are anti-racist and. anti-racist is not may not race it's a. particular actual set of values that are. sort of very essential in nature that. whiteness is something that needs to be. overcome. what is whiteness somebody explain to me. I don't know what Zach no idea yeah it's. more than just it's more than just your. ethnicity it's this it's this I guess.

this thing inside of all of us maybe. it's like a soul that it's connected to. white supremacy the original sin all of. this rhetoric is incredibly religious. right but the difference between I think. what's happening now sort of great. awoken in an actual religion is that. religion most religions have some. mechanism for for reform or. reconciliation or grace and this doesn't. exist in this current dogma so I you. know I've never taken a class in. whiteness studies maybe I should do that. maybe I'll go back to school and become. a diversity trainer if my podcast.

doesn't work out I've never. told you this but when I was a young boy. I loved cereal and my best friend was a. kid named Paul okay why are you laughing. because it seems like you're making this. up oh it's it's not what's happening. right now I'm sharing something is for a. deep and personal to me and that's why. it's taking me a little bit to get it.

out but I think you assuming that I'm it. she shows the type of person you are. okay what did I say then was I big ball. Paul was my best friend that I've ever. had. he was a good kid and he believed in the. same values and ideals and I believed in. freedom democracy the markets and Paul. had a tough home life it was a hard life.

it was it was not easy you know his. parents had a rough marriage and they. were fond of the bottle and they liked. to drink. they liked to throw a few back and then. they would mercilessly beat him and that. was tough for him but but there were.

good times. you know there were good times do you. know what he loved what he loved cereal. he loves he really he would come over to. my house black and blue and bleedin and. and I would say hey hey let's have a. bowl Lucky Charms and he would love it I.

mean it would take his mind off the. beatings I mean they used to go at him. I mean there was I went to call from you. know you go call for somebody like we. have friends you go can I call for my. friend you know. practical yeah and then you go knock at. the door hey Paul play I mean one time I. went and they they both had hockey. sticks out and in the backyard they were. just going at him I thought he was dead. because he was no longer moving they. were just hitting him with the hockey. sticks and they were making a game out.

of it I don't know weird people. not without they were fun you know not. without throat they were characters but. they were just you know hitting what. appeared to be his lifeless body with. hockey sticks in the backyard I don't. even know where they got the sticks even. playing hockey. it was a horrible thing to see it was a. horrible thing to see now when they saw.

me they looked at me and they didn't. stop that was even weirder they saw me. and then they just kept beating him and. hitting him with sticks and I I said. whoa and I went up to him eventually. they David they stopped and I went off. to him and I carried him he was I. carried him you know like Christ when he. went off the cross I carried him back to. my house and I kinda I nursed him back.

to life with Lucky Charms now he's dead. now uh his parents cooked him and ate. him. now that is neither here nor there. because if he was alive today he would. want to eat Lucky Charms because they. reminded him of the good times in his. childhood of which they were admittedly. few and but he wouldn't want the sugars.

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manscape com use the code T IM w ee d. what are you waiting for go whack your. weeds how do you see this as a way what. is your feeling about the people that. say we're trying to end capitalism what. is the what what is that you know in. terms of you know people are I mean. there's obviously all of the the you. know the contradictions you have to. breeze past your tweeting that from an.

iPhone your tweeting that in a Starbucks. or whatever it is but you know we most. people realize they the present form of. capitalism is unsustainable right so how. how serious are these people they talk. about reforming it and are they the. people to reform it and how do you. reform it you know with more than. slogans my perspective on this has. changed in recent years I probably would. have called myself a socialist. five or six years ago but what I've.

realized is that the the version of. socialism that we think of as like the. ideal socialism so like northern. European democratic socialism right. it's socialism sure like there's high. taxes people are taking care there's a. welfare state but then there's the other. kind of socialism like Marxism communism. sort of socialism adjacent in which the. state the state controls the means of. production right the state the state. controls the businesses and I see.

nothing in America's recent history that. shows to me that the state would be. better at maintaining and producing. goods and and having functional. companies then then free market. capitalists are so I've changed my mind. about this a little bit I find myself. much more sympathetic to free-market. values than I did before that said. you're right I mean capitalism as we. know it is deeply flawed but to me I. think what you could do is you know. regulate capitalism a little better.

things like to me I care deeply about. the environment that sort of I care more. about the planet the people in some. respects and so you know stricter. controls on things like emissions you. know there are arguments to be made that. all people and companies respond better. to incentives than they do penalties and. I think that that is something that. should be explored but I think socialism. for a lot of people especially young. people it's just become a sort of a. signifier right so you put like a little. rose emoji in your Twitter bio and now. you're a socialist and and what you want. is like you know you want free health.

care which I think I think we should. have a single-payer health care system I. don't know that we should totally. dismantle the private health care system. before we before we do that you know. they want free education and lots of. them have student loans they want free. [ __ ] essentially which I totally I want. free [ __ ] too I sympathize with that but. I don't know how much they have thought. about like you know Donald Trump is our. president the folks the federal. government has and state governments. have shown over and over again that they. are unable to manage industry as well as.

the free market is you know just things. like ventilators or like in Washington. State where I live you know we have this. unemployment system it's antiquated you. know difficult to use people a colleague. of mine just got his first unemployment. check he's been on a play for three. months just got his first unemployment. check this week you know the system ISM. isn't functional and it's these. government systems that aren't working. I think like people talk about. capitalism one of the major issues that. I have with it is this this parallel.

world where wealthy people can evade. taxes and they can and this happens all. over the world you know it's not. necessarily nature the way that this. system functions where you can just take. money and dump it into real estate and. in cities without you know putting your. name on it you can you do it through a. shell corporation it drives up the cost. of of real estate in these cities like. New York London it prices everybody else. out you know people have people like.

their home they like where they grew up. these areas have histories and they have. and they're you know the relationships. that people have to these places are. deep and complex so when you just allow. a group of billionaires from all over. the world turn these cities into money. laundering schemes it fills people with. the type of anxiety that then gets. redirected in a very unhealthy place. whereas it's race resentment or it's.

paranoia or it's conspiracy mongering. and I think a lot of that starts with. people seeing places they loved kind of. be taken over and being used for you. know international criminals really to. to stash money and that's one example of. of the system but the other example of. the system is like you know the amount. of money and its impact on our political. system is absurd I mean I mean obviously.

when you have things like you know. massive corporations donating to. senators or whatever like we need to be. concerned about how this is impacting. the roads but you have someone like. Michael Bloomberg right how many. billions of dollars did he spend on. Lines campaign he [ __ ] lost you know. like yeah like the Koch brothers you. know right and like so I'm not like who. spent Joe Biden spent only Koch brothers. sit out 2016 didn't have a war chest of. like 80 million dollars hmm wrote about.

don't think I don't think these they. supported Donald Trump they didn't. support the president but they. to local election things like that when. it comes to at least the presidential. the presidential race I'm not convinced. that these massive influx infusions of. cash whether it's Bernie Sanders style. five dollars at a time or its you know. Michael Bloomberg sending like spending. his own portion or if it's you know big. money PACs I'm not gonna may not matter. as much as the ability to manipulate. things on a local even state level sure.

so I think that like that concerns. people like me where I'm not a Marxist. and I don't believe that the government. is gonna be good at producing goods but. I'm saying if you don't regulate people. and none of it has to do with America. this is my other thing with capitalism. like we've married the capitalism in. America so closely together it's like. this is the way we do it but how many of. these people don't give a [ __ ] when a. city like Detroit collapses. how many people don't care that the Rust. Belt of America is it's been hollowed. out they're dealing now with an opioid.

addiction how many these people care. about the southside of Chicago and the. shootings that are happening there or do. these people maintain residences all. over the world and their loyalty is to. an economic architecture more so than an. actual country that to me seems. unsustainable because I don't want to. live in a technocratic surveillance. state which is I think what these people. want I think they wanted to treat peep I. want to think they want to strip people. of rights surveil them and and then. they're gonna have all the best real.

estate you know you drive up the. California coast all of the prime real. estate is owned all of the good real. estate if you like the environment you. know go to you know the Puget Sound to. tell me how much of that has been taken. over by insanely wealthy powerful people. but you also have to I mean you do have. a point I mean in places like Vancouver. Vancouver BC was for a while the Muslim. Marxist to fascist multiple times. because we've got a Mac we maximize it. and if you want to do well at this you.

and Dad who's that Jesse Pinkman who you. ready with but the point is if you want. to do that you gotta Aussie you gotta. give him a look give him a right then. you give him a left because everyone who. listens wants of all my audience wants. to get teen who goes in the guillotine. it depends okay well yeah I don't think. anybody should go in the guillotine. enjoy poorhouse okay I'm gone okay but. there's also so I think you're right. about this I mean internet foreign. speculation is a big deal on local. markets I mean and Seattle they they've. tried to cut down on foreign buyers.

buying essentially second third condos. because you end up with cities where you. know basically you have these you know. multi-million dollar high-rises per unit. and nobody living in them right it's. just it's money marketing but one of the. reasons there's a housing crisis in the. United States is because it's just a. supply and demand issue right so there's. just not enough housing well why would. people be why would developers want to. build cheap single-family homes when. they can build these massive sky Rises. or whatever it's just more expensive. places so i think you're right i mean is. regulation the better way to get there.

or our market incentives is a better way. to get there i mean to me that's the. question between social capital tax. abatements to luxury condo developers. aren't we giving i mean that activity. like you know just like the insane tax. breaks that they get so it's like some a. company like Foxconn don't get to go to. the place like what's Wisconsin and and. bring in 500 jobs or whatever you know. and like I live in in a city with I. don't know how many billionaires live in. Seattle I mean there's the [ __ ] ton.

of them and we don't have an income tax. in the state it is unconstitutional to. have an income tax in the state which is. exactly why Amazon and this is why they. live here and George Jeff Bezos. initially wanted to house Amazon on a. Native American reservation because the. tax thought they have even you know even. more relaxed tax laws on reservations. and they do in places like Seattle which. I was just like incredibly regressive. but that's the thing like last year. there was a huge debate in Seattle about. instituting a head tax right so there's.

no so we have incredibly high property. taxes and incredibly high sales tax and. we'll have levies all the time because. there's no there's this is an incredibly. wealthy city and there's no income tax. anywhere in the state and no capital. gains tax which is it's a constant it's. in the Constitution right you have to. amend the Constitution to change this so. the city has tried to do little kind of. workaround so they were going to. Institute what what's called a head tax. or a per employee tax on on businesses. and so Amazon was so opposed to this. that Jeff Bezos just like it was like.

I'm not going to build another Tower. there. the midst of building a tower we're just. not gonna build this tower we're gonna. move we're going he was going to take. his ball and go home in it which he can. do you know I mean he did the same thing. in New York when a OC basically extorted. him and so or she attempted doing sort. of I basically decided not to house this. you know and what's on to headquarters. in her district and so there's this. really there's this really funny image. so we have a Seattle has a socialist. city council member named Shama Swan and.

there's this video I thought what her. name is Shama Sawant South Indian she's. Indian American I thought I said samus. one like the last name was one like she. is the one she's the one sure you will. see her oftentimes on now sure like. cable news shows screaming loudly so. Shama so want there's this great video. of her she's the real proponent of this. head tax and Amazon she wants Amazon out. of the city so she honestly couldn't. give a [ __ ] if Amazon takes her if Jeff. Bezos decides like we're leaving Seattle.

she wants a massage she doesn't care she. wants him out she wants like she wants a. socialist a social Reformation so. there's great video of her standing in. front of what's called Bezos balls which. with these two big glass glass. structures that he built in the middle. to Seattle and so she's standing there. and she's screaming like you know like. workers rights or what I can remember. the slogan is but something about like. an Amazon had Tax Board like to provide. you know they were gonna use the money. to deal with the homelessness crisis so. something about like helping the poor. helping the working class and then.

behind her there's a couple dozen dudes. in like construction uniforms like hard. hats and they're like high visibility. vest chanting no Amazon head tags so you. have you so the problem is that the. Socialists especially this particular. socialists proclaimed sustain for the. working class while the working class. itself is basically like [ __ ] you. and that's part of identity politics. right and I think one of the problems. we're seeing now is as you mentioned. there's been this divorce it everybody's.

focused on their sort of a on their. racial group their their sex their. gender their whatever they identify as. and there's much less cohesion among the. working class whereas if you wanted to. have an actual movement to raise the. minimum wage or to improve can. for workers or address income inequality. it would be I think much more effective. to have a to coalesce among the working. class and it would to splinter into. these separate groups based on this. color of our skin which i think is what. Bernie Sanders was trying to do I wasn't. a Sanders supporter because I thought he.

was gonna get just trumped by Donald. Trump but I think that was his I think. had the best chance against Trump. because Sanders to me I thought Sanders. said a lot of good things about unions. and workers and the rights of people you. know to have health care and to have you. know early childhood education and like. a lot of things that would have been. positive overall for our society if he. could get them done so I really flipped. back and forth on this I thought Sanders. for a while because of the momentum that.

he had after 2018 and all of this. popular support particularly mom bring. out the youth vote but he just didn't. you know his he got fewer votes and in. this primary that he did you know and in. 2012 the amazing thing is that the. Sanders like groundswell support which. wasn't there. well I think part of that is because of. Elizabeth Warren because she split the. vote right yeah Warren I had been a big. Warren fan and she just turned she. turned away from being like the champion.

of the consumer and the little man and. the person talking about corruption and. Paulette and you know in government. which is what you're talking about. talking about like you know like the the. quote-unquote epidemic of murder of. trans women which doesn't exist and just. this hyper focus on identity the trans. women epidemic of murder doesn't exist. Cady Herzog autism reason people are. trans go into this because you said this. to me the other day no you're not you're. gonna get [ __ ] famous can you change.

your background to Charlottesville I'm. kidding Katie tell us about a lesbian. apartment this is the most Seattle. apartment everything's gray. well good for you good for you coming. away come and do it in LA and really. impress me I mean I I moved to the. suburbs so I could get away from all. this [ __ ] yeah I'm a suburban home owner.

cuz all we hear is the trans women are. being murdered and nobody wants that and. we hear it we hear it and we hear trans. women of color being murdered you say no. what say you I mean okay so what'd you. hear about is the quote-unquote epidemic. of trans violence or epidemic of trans. murder so if you look at the statistics. and this the Cystic I'm about to tell. you comes from the Human Rights Campaign. so this is like the primary gay and. trans rights group in the United States. and up until recently they were. considered far too regressive on trans. issues but they have since shifted from.

being a gay rights script I think. primarily a trans rights or trans. advocacy group so this is from HRC HRC. says that in 2019 25 trans people were. murdered right so 25 of anything like. just on it on its face it's just. incredible to me that people continue to. call this an epidemic because 25 of. anything isn't an epidemic right so I. ran the numbers and I I can't remember. them off the top of my head but it turns. out that when you look at look at murder. rates and this is a little bit difficult. to do because we don't really know the.

population of trans people in the United. States is probably underestimated but so. using like the most current data what I. found and what other people have found. as well is that the murder rate for. trans women or trans people is slightly. lower than that for natal females and. vastly lower than the not for natal. males and it it is true that trans out. black trans women are much more likely. to be the victims of murder than like a. you know a a white trans dude in Seattle. just vastly more likely but when you.

drill into the actual cases these. particular cases what you find is that. the vast majority of these people who. were killed in 2019 and 2018 and 2017. and every other year were not killed in. bias crimes they were killed doing sex. work. they were killed and it's like in. through domestic violence random bad. luck there are a couple bias crimes last. year and it's all terrible people. shouldn't be killed like let's just like. acknowledge that but this isn't an. epidemic it's actually not even.

disproportionately high. it is it is hired for sure for black. trans women particularly black trans. women who are sex workers but. transphobia doesn't appear to be the. actual root of these killings and to me. if you care about trans lives and you. want trans people to be have healthy. happy lives where they are not. victimized you need to get at the root. of the issue and if the route isn't. transphobia then you need to stop. repeating this this slogan you know that. transcript Roby is killing people or. whatever because it's just not true. and so the other statistic that gets. floated around all the time all the time.

this is like has been like back in the. news this week is the argument that. they're more likely to end up in sex. work because their tans and they're. discriminated against at other jobs well. I think that's probably part of the. argument you know in there are certainly. socio-economic for like factors at play. here if you're black you're more likely. to be poor if you're poor you're more. likely to be doing sex work there are. this is like real intersectionality you. know there are these like interlocking. interlocking you know characteristics. dependent on these populations but so.

this other Cystic it's even crazier and. that's that's that the the life. expectancy of trans women is 35 and. sometimes they say like no it's the life. expectancy of like black trans women or. transfer of the color but you see this. repeated all the time trans women on. average only lived to be 35 years old so. I looked into this last year and that. number comes throughout from basic like. almost nowhere so there is a human. rights organization based in South. America and they pulled different like. LGBTQ advocacy groups and they asked.

them they asked them they basically got. data on on like on rates of. victimization and what they found that. in like very specific populations like. sex workers and Brazilian favelas or. however you pronounce that word. so the average age of a murder victim of. a trans murder victim actually not even. average so it and this particular. population so 80% of trans murder.

victims in this population were under. the age of 35 which is not actually. uncommon I mean most people who are. murdered are young but this has nothing. to do with the United States this is. extrapolated from the most some of them. dangerous areas in the world doing the. most dangerous job in the world. so has nothing to do with your average. trans person in the United States and. also a lot of trans people don't come. out until they're well after after the. age of 35 years old right so it's just.

on its face it just doesn't make any. sense. but people continue to repeat it and I. think this is really bad because it. harms trans people right I mean what do. you think it would be like to like wake. up every day and think like I'm never. gonna live to be to see my 36th birthday. I'll never be able to be president. because trans women only live to be 35. years old it's just not true and it just. gets repeated and that's what drives me. crazy about the media so what happens. it's like a study will get published or. some advocacy group will commission a. study and then they'll issue a press.

release and then the media picks it up. and doesn't do any sort of digging into. it doesn't look at the numbers doesn't. ask for the data it just assumes that. it's true and just starts repeating it. and then you know celebrities pick it up. and start repeating it and then it just. passes like a virus through culture and. all of a sudden people think that you. know trans women are being hunted in the. streets this came up Kamala Harris at. the LGBT town hall someone interrupted. her and said like we're being lit we're. being hunted and she said I know you are. and it's just not true there's like. there's not a serial killer going around.

terrorizing trans women what's happening. is that they're being trans they're. being terrorized by misinformation that. typically well-meaning people continue. to spread because they're just not. skeptical so in closing because you. you're so smart and you people should. follow you and read everything you do. you're one of the best followers on. Twitter Kitty purr Zog on Twitter you. are somebody that I think has you know. you've ruffled a lot of feathers and and. I do we get back to facts ever in this.

country do we get back to objective. information or is anybody gonna be able. to say what you just said without you. know your intentions being challenged. and being called a Nazi in a racist and. [ __ ] Herzog you know spray-painted on. the outside of the stranger is anybody. ever gonna be able to have these. conversations ever again yeah do we see. any is anything positive culturally. happening right now that might lead us. back to a more fact-based rational.

discourse in this country no there it is. Rio Grande by the way agreed I agree. with you okay here's what I think is. gonna happen I think that we're in the. midst of a mass hysteria and it's not. just what's happening in trials but many. of those women were witches in there and. it's it was oddly enough being a which. is also very trendy right now so I think. we're in the midst of these things. happen in American culture or not a not.

just American culture they happen all. across all across the world you see. things like the Cultural Revolution and. communist Nations and the difference. between with lots of the same sort of. social social strictures right so in. like Romania in the 70s and 80s 67 News. 80s they would have these uh what were. essentially like struggle sessions he's. like mandatory self-criticism sessions. where people would get together and. publicly proclaim how they had been. enemies of the working class and usually. what they had done was some sort of. thought crime and we're seeing this now.

but instead of it being sort of a. top-down directive from the government. this is coming from the bottom up right. so this is coming from the culture where. people particularly like you know a sort. of elite middle class or upper middle. class highly educated white people are. voluntarily sort of taking place in. these struggle sessions because of like. real sense of guilt and a real sense. it's like prashant profound shame about. what people with our skin tone did. before we were alive in many cases so I. think that's where this is going I hope. that I'm wrong and I think it's gonna. last for years I think that we're gonna.

we're seeing something break open now. that is going to spread farther and. wider throughout society and people are. gonna get scared or and scared to speak. their minds and to be honest and I'm. deeply concerned about it I don't think. this is how like the end of the world I. think that it was wrong to Trump and now. we're gonna swing back the other way now. I keep wondering like it would be very. interesting to me you know there's all. this panic about Trump sort of issue. issuing authoritarianism into the United.

States he has absolutely not been able. to do as much as he would like to and I. keep thinking like what if we do what if. he does issue authoritarianism and but. it's not the federal government it's. from the resistance right it would be. sort of like perfectly ironic could be. dude evolved into this authoritarian. society where nobody can say what they. believe and I'm not talking about you. know like I think that norms should. exist in society I don't think that we. should have no rules and people should. just go around you know. screaming racist [ __ ] or whatever I.

don't think that the problem is that. what is acceptable thought what is. acceptable to express has become. increasingly narrow right so I'm talking. about just like talking about the. realities of biological sex these things. that are basic mainstream opinions. that's what I'm worried about being. today where somebody said Trump just. enshrined biological sex is defined to. men and women in the law all trans. health care is now wiped out this is. what you see on Twitter and people are. saying that's why what JK Rowling said. was so detrimental and dangerous is any.

of that true I haven't looked into this. I saw I saw this floating around Twitter. I think what they did was just from like. reading a headline and really not. reading into it at all I think what they. did is roll back protections under the. obamacare under the Affordable Care Act. for trans people which I'm against you. know I think that that I think that you. know insurance companies should cover. should cover. do you know trans health care I think. that's probably what it's about you know. their argument is that JK Rowling's. expression that men and women this is.

the reason yeah dude this has been in. the works for a long time and I highly. doubt that Trump is is dictating public. policy based on JK Rowling I don't know. but they're saying that's the problem. with you know biological essentialists. is that there would still funny. biological essentialist I mean even to. just say that word but you know when you. have that those types of opinions though. they allow governments to take away.

health care from trans people I just I. think that's on its face I don't think. that yeah I think like two issues that. are unconnected. yeah JK Rowling she wrote a piece called. like turf wars or something and it's. sort of an explainer about why he came. out recently and sort of dipped her toe. and the conversation about about. transept and she's referring to. something really specific that's. happening in the UK this gender. recognition act. which would move from a process there's. basically because of the NHS the. National Health Service there if you.

want sort of trans health care you have. to basically go in front of a panel I. think I'm getting this right you. basically have to go through there's. steps that you have to go through to get. health care there's sort of more of a. gatekeeper method there and then in like. 20 18 or something. ironically the Conservative Party. introduced this gender recognition act. and the reason they did this was because. this was on the heels of gay marriage. and gay marriage with such an. overwhelming popular success I thought. like hey well just like well like jump. on this bandwagon and do something for. the trans people and everybody's gonna. love us and so what they proposed with. this law that would make a sex change.

would be basically self self declaration. right so if you say right now that. you're a woman legally you are female. and you have access to women's spaces if. I say I'm a man I have access to men. spaces and so the Conservative Party. proposed this and then there was a. massive backlash not just between like. radical feminists who don't want trans. women in their spaces but like Catholic. women and mainstream normies just women. who said like we are uncomfortable with. this so she's talking about something.

really specific and not trans out here. and I think she liked it affirmed her. you know her belief that trans people. should have access to health care right. one one last question you said you you. got into writing about D transition. because you're interested in heretics. and now you've kind of become a heretic. yeah I think you manifested that is that. did you want to always kind of live on. the outside of mainstream so I mean I. kind of do which is why I'm a comedian. right like my job I guess other than. prostitution is like the second oldest.

job like I'm like the town crier I'm the. fool I'm the whatever like I'm the guy. that's in the public square just. shouting and then people come by and. throw them change whatever but what. about heretics so fascinated you and and. you seem very comfortable being one I. guess that's probably because I haven't. left my house in three months and so I'm. like I no longer have people screaming. at me yeah I mean an element of. self-reflection there I don't think it. was conscious at the time but I would. say that the writing that I've done.

before and you know and after that piece. tends to I I try to find the unexpected. and. things you know and I've learned that. almost nothing nothing you see is as it. appears to be and so I think that's a. part why I'm drawn to these things and. then the more I read the more I realize. that everything I think I know about the. world is uh is more complex than I. thought so yes more and more informed. you get the less you know you feel like. you have any clue of what's going on and.

the less you realize you can trust. institutions and I don't want to be like. you know I'm not Donald Trump I don't. unfortunately I don't have his his money. or his tan spray tan but you know I. don't believe in like the I don't want. to be like the fake news person or. whatever but I will say like a lot of. mainstream and I saw the current media. it's the carving team thing happened was. completely fake jussie Smollett I mean. there's a lot we've seen a lot okay I. got a question for you yeah yeah how how. long did it take for you to think like.

Jesse smelly does [ __ ] well you know. what bothered me about the Jesse. smollett saying and this is what always. bothers me and and I I've I spent my. life in New York City LA I've been a. Chicago Bunch. I have witnessed very few things that I. would consider you know and I've been in. places where everybody's drunk I spent a. lot of time with drunks in comedy clubs.

I think like that people have yelled. things out at me I mean it's part of the. [ __ ] contract you signed up for when. you're a comedian I've been on subways. late at night and all that stuff the. idea that there were these Trump. supporting gang of people in a. metropolitan city committing hate crime. seemed very weird to me impossible no. but it seemed odd to me that that. whenever when I heard that it made me go.

huh really and 2:00 a.m. there's just. guys with Trump hats on going after. Jesse smollett who's getting a Subway. sandwich at 2:00 a.m. yeah that was the. thing that got me I was like aren't you. rich why are you eating subway why. aren't you making moose mating or. GrubHub and something Wireless freezing. you and. I and I and I did a video about this. several weeks later I was always. attacked by Elizabeth Warren supporters. I was hit with feathers in a headdress.

and I was attacked and so I understand. what it's like but did you do you did. they come back and apologize to you. after collision I'm sure that they did. what weird thinking about me is this. again I came out late in life I came out. of 25 then I started stand-up comedy. right away I quit drinking the same year. so you had all of these things happenin. once I became essentially another person. right I never had the time to like just. be gay for two years and like just party.

and drug it up and [ __ ] I came out I had. to stop doing drugs and drinking and I. started doing comedy so it was this. weird Prabhas and actors little kid like. I have a lot of traditionally gay. experiences right I'm insanely talented. and gorgeous so when you have I do I and. you know what I look like how they do. when they don't do as well because they. see an older ballerinas so the reality. is you're wrong and right at the same. time but I always you know here's the.

thing man I hate groupthink. I've always hated it's so weird to me. it's the antithesis of humor like this. there's this weird kind of cultish I you. know I was a drug addict I understand. what it's like to live this binary. existence of like I'm either high or I'm. sober I'm getting drugs I'm not getting. drugs and so to me when I got rid of. drugs and I stopped drinking and I went. into comedy and I was doing this and I. was following the path that I should be. following like I just I I really started.

to get weird about people that had you. know no room for nuance because I'm like. that's where everything lives everything. lives in nuanced jokes live in nua and. i've always a fan of like you know you. know people people say i don't present. as gay so it's easier for me 100% true. they're 100% right about that but like. being gay is the tenth most [ __ ] up. thing about me right in terms of the. life I've lived I mean I bought a house.

when I was 22 with the subprime mortgage. on cocaine I mean you know most people. wake up you know gate. we'll wake up or straight people wake up. next to someone and go how did I get. here. I woke up as $700,000 home and said how. did I get here and then it was yeah and. I owned the property so I had done all. this weird [ __ ] I mean I dropped acid on. 8th grade stage of my graduation oh you. know I was doing acid when I was in. eighth grade I was doing cocaine in. eighth grade in ninth grade I was. hanging out at crack houses I was like. doing wild stuff and then I was selling.

subprime mortgages for a long time. trying to help the country really and. and and I was just involved in all this. weird [ __ ] man and to me sexuality is a. part of the story but it's not the whole. story for most people it is their whole. story most gay people for most people it. is there's something wrong with that. because it's like you're completely. right yeah I find it like very I find it. aggravating and I don't find it I don't. find it interesting at all but you know.

and like I lived like mostly in Queens. sort of queer circles for most of my. life until I basically got. excommunicated in the last few years and. when I think back about that time it's. like all we talked about was being gay. that's all we talked about right. somebody be like paper or plastic and. I'd be like I'm gay everywhere is.

everyone everyone's gay now and it's. weird it's so I always felt like yeah. I'm sure I had internalized homophobia. this and the other thing but then like. there was a time of comedy when I. started to a comedy when I said I was. gay on stage people say ooh or like. people would be like openly hostile to. it but then it turned to where like I. even like it when in longer sets I say. it in short sets I stop saying it. because when I said it people would clap. and that's the worst thing in comedy few. big good for you good for you and then.

alejo enough what a weird [ __ ] thing. what but people are heavily invested in. that which makes them unique and if what. makes you unique is your sexuality and. otherwise you're a basic [ __ ] person if. what makes you unique is you sick which. is what I love about all these people. they're like I'm queer. and I love the Real Housewives and I. love you know frappuccino and I'm like. you're just a basic [ __ ] right it. doesn't matter who you sleep with you. like you you have nothing unique about.

you groups of queers are conformist like. every other group they are I mean we. break up into these tribes it's not that. different from high school and they're. all like each other and you know I'm. that's I guess an offensive thing to say. but it's cuz like Long's observations. with hanging out with these communities. yeah I mean how does it affect you like. are you when you say you're actually. muna Kate do you just not get the. invites anymore what no yeah I don't. I've like basically live a pretty. friendless existence and I do have I.

have like three or four friends I mean. most of them are older okay I have. friends in like their 60s and 70s now I. just don't like just some old Mountain. lesbian you talk to a houseboat and she. chain smokes inside is what you want. that you don't want a lot of friends you. chain smoker in the [ __ ] 70s to learn. how to be a pilot I mean she's just. fascinating or I could hang out with. career people who only talked about. being queer right so yeah I would say I.

don't have very many friends but I do. have a wife and a dog so I'm so okay you. know it's like when you when you look at. the 60s Camille Paglia talks about this. when you look at like what the because. there was a lot of similar ideas. happening but it was all about sensory. experiences in LSD in the body and. people [ __ ] and free love and. Hinduism and like you know expanding. your mind and then you look at this. revolution and it's all about like. nitpicking language and like a very. journalists secretarial you know weird.

bureaucratic sexless fearful existence. and you're like whoa they got everything. raw they took like everything from the. 60s and now it's like I get the bad [ __ ]. they took all the bad [ __ ] notes people. just chewing their tongues on adderall. going on tweet threads it's like crazy. and what's scary is what's next that's. what's always scared me I'm like is. violence next because it seems like. everywhere in the culture from. celebrities to the media there is just a.

it's violence is being excused and even. like in certain corners of the media. agitated and like requested right it's. justified because it's violence in the. name of a righteous cause you know it's. it's I don't think people have are very. aware of like recent history around the. world its but it's really good a this is. new yeah it's good because we can see. how we can see sort of these patterns. you know he would these mass panics.

assist areas they come and they go and I. think I think where anyone and you can't. really see it until until it's over tell. people were to find you where can they. support you where can they read your. stuff so my podcast is sort of my main. thing now I decided I don't want to be a. writer anymore words are over or writing. is over I'm just going to be a speaker. now so my podcast is called blocked and. reported and we're on patreon. it's like blocked and reported at. patreon I don't know what it is you can. google it I'm on Twitter at Kitty purr. Zog and that's I guess that's the only.

places I want you to find me that's. where she wants to be found she's a. one-woman wrecking crew doing battle. against autistic trans communists and if. there's if there's if you don't see the. value in that well I don't know what to. tell you thank you for doing the show I. appreciate it you are you're not a. retweet her she never retweets what I do. but I enjoy her anyway she doesn't read. to I keeps big tabs on that she never. retweets but that's okay but she's she's. a follow on Twitter man if you're not. following kitty pers on on Twitter she's.

a great follow I love the way her mind. works it's very very fascinating and. good luck man listen patreon and all of. these things are the future like these. one of the things that I'll kind of. close with this what bothers me about. people in my industry is that they're. they're supposedly super progressive but. they're all married to these archaic. institutions they're like let's reform. Hollywood is it what are you saying. create your own avenues you have the. technology to do your own thing I've. made a hundred sketches in the past two.

years. they're funny they get millions of views. they've never been on television they. have we put them on Twitter and. Instagram and YouTube we they're you. know we put out two podcasts a week you. know nobody inhibits us from doing this. there's no. nobody's telling us what to say or what. to do when we live and die on on. basically the response of the audience. and yet so many of the most progressive. most evolved minds of my business still. refuse to do that because they don't.

really want to put their talent in the. hands of the audience they want to. basically they like these cartels as. much as they don't want to admit that. they love these cartels of people that. will either greenlight something they. want to do or not so it'll be in what. you're doing right now what I'm doing I. mean this is just kind of it this is. kind of it. yeah and it's actually working out it's. shocking yeah it's shocking well listen. good luck with everything thank you you. welcome back any time I appreciate it I.

know it was an honor for you today to. speak to me I was I appreciate it thank. you very much.