#196 - Whitney Webb | The Tim Dillon Show

ladies and gentlemen welcome to the Tim. Dylan show we have a mind-blowing. episode today this is literally one of. the most mind-blowing probably the most. mind-blowing podcast episode I've ever. done we have Whitney Webb on who's a. journalist she's written the best. articles about Jeffrey Epstein Glenn. Maxwell about the powers behind Epstein. she's also written a great article about. a lot of the companies that stand to. profit from introducing the solutions to. Cove at 19 she you know writes a lot.

about Bill Gates and his relationship. with Epstein that's what she talks about. on this podcast we also play private. audio from a phone call a private phone. call that Whitney had with an Epstein. accuser a victim of Epstein Maria former. who the mainstream media has reported on. but of course the mainstream media did. not report everything Maria told them so. we had permission to play the phone call. we play clips from the phone call. Whitney breaks them down and analyzes. them some of them are incredibly.

shocking very disturbing and then. Whitney goes on and talks about gates. and she talks about a lot of factions. within the United States government that. plan on copying the authoritarian model. that you see in China of how they've. structured their society there's this. idea that in order to compete with China. and still be the top of global hegemony. we need to adopt a lot of the things. that China has done successfully. including trampling human rights. including moving everything to a.

cashless driverless society eliminating. the ownership of private vehicles I mean. it's really crazy when she talks about. this document that came out from a. Freedom of Information request about how. a lot of people in the government plan. to use the the economic shutdown and the. pandemic to usher in a lot of new rules. regulations surveillance systems things. like that. Whitney's great her work is always very. well researched she's not a hysteric. she's somebody who stands behind.

everything she says and it's an honor to. have her here she writes at the last. American vagabond that's also a YouTube. channel she also has a patreon that you. could support her work and the link will. be in the description she has a book. coming. out about Jeffrey Epstein so this is. about an hour and fifteen minute. conversation again it a lot of what goes. on here is [ __ ] unbelievable so again. is you know there's a few jokes it's not. overall a very funny episode but you. know every now and then we do an episode.

like this to really keep you up at night. and this will absolutely 100% do that if. you're not up at night already which you. should be alright everybody we've got. Whitney Webb she's one of our favorites. one of the best journalists in America. that doesn't live here that's why she's. better she's written some great articles. she's written the best articles about. Jeffrey Epstein she's written a great. article in the last American vagabond. right is that yeah that's the site and.

it's about Bill Gates and it's about all. the companies that stand to profit from. all of the different solutions to. coronavirus and she's always doing a lot. of research and work and then putting. out these very long really detailed well. researched articles on very difficult. topics that a lot of people don't go. into so we're very excited to have you.

thanks for coming on this show and and I. spoke to you this morning and you said. you you and we're gonna go into gates. and stuff cuz I you know obviously a lot. of people saw me and Rogan kind of did. that little we had a little a little fun. argument about Bill Gates who I don't. know anything about other than I've read. some articles about him and I you know. the Rogan was like well bill doesn't. have any reason you know he does he has. enough money he doesn't want any more. money but as you know whether it's.

George Soros or the Koch brothers or. Bill Gates billionaires often engage in. in social engineering they have an. ideology they want to impact the world. some of it is good a lot of it isn't so. I you know what's interesting is like. we're gonna all have to understand what. Bill Gates and and a lot of these people. are are trying to do it should be. transparent and that was my my thing. with Joe I was just basically like. listen we all want to solve. climate change but if I said to you part.

of that was having a one child per. family policy and you could never drive. an SUV and we're gonna put a cap on you. know the energy that you could consume. you might say wait a minute whoa whoa. hold on so we all agree nobody wants. coronavirus nobody wants you know. everybody wants some way to prevent. coronavirus but it's the details which. is something that you're very good at. it's figuring out what the details are. of these solutions quickly cuz then. we're going to go into this epstein. thing but quickly just blanket off the.

bat with gates what concerns you. particularly about Bill Gates and some. of the initiatives that he's pushed. around the world. all right so Oh Bill Gates is one of. those billionaires who had a ton of. money and it took him a really long time. to get involved in philanthropy but not. just speaking about Bill Gates but. so-called philanthropists in general. since the day of the very first. billionaire in the United States john d. rockefeller they have tried to rebrand. themselves as philanthropists even.

Jeffrey Epstein before he was arrested. the first time used to be called. philanthropist it's been used a lot of. times to basically launder a person's. reputation when they get involved in odd. or unsavory you know unsavory activities. which billionaires you know we've seen. over the years sometimes they're prone. to do right so as far as Gates goes you. know a lot of people have compared his. foundation the Bill and Melinda Gates. Foundation to the Rockefeller Foundation. sort of as a like the successor to that.

even though that foundation still exists. in a lot of ways focusing a lot of. attention on developing countries and. some of those those things that have. happened and you know scandals with the. vaccines and all that with Bill Gates. has to do with the fact that his. foundation has a lot of close ties to. major pharmaceutical giants and in some. cases some of those vaccines that were. originally rejected for use in the. United States ended up being sent abroad. to other countries developing countries.

like India for example on where they. ended up having really severe health. effects and the you know largely the. girls that received them yeah and a lot. of other country. versus I mean vaccines in general. there's some you know a lot of people. get really agitated when people bring up. vaccines but it's important to remember. that you know there can be some vaccines. that are produced poorly or produced for. example in a facility that is not up to. standards and has sanitary issues for. example and then when those vaccines are.

used that can cause adverse reactions. and that is you know a crime essentially. and and wrong and there can be people. that can talk about pharmaceutical. corruption and not necessarily be. against vaccines as a science what we. see a lot of times is this conflation of. people saying oh you're criticizing this. particular vaccine or this particular. pharmaceutical company or this. particular vaccine manufacturer you must. be against all vaccines i don't think. that's true at all. but in terms of Bill Gates one thing I. do want to point out about him is that.

his rhetoric over the years has been. very odd when it has to when it comes to. vaccines he said you know stuff at these. TED talks like we can you know bring. down the world population by you know. for good on vaccines and stuff like that. and that's kind of odd right on. presumably vaccines exist to keep people. alive longer not to reduce population so. the fact that he's talking about it that. way um I think is it's reasonable that. people are concerned about that. especially considering too that he's. talked about for years that he's. concerned that the global population is.

too large. specifically in Africa a few years ago. he was saying that he was very concerned. and bothered by how many the African. youth boom is is the term used in the. report there and I just don't really. understand what we have to be putting. you know trotting out this billionaire. on CNN and stuff telling us how to. respond to this this crisis when he. doesn't have a medical degree he's a. he's a guy that didn't even finish. university he dropped out of Harvard and. then went on and became this you know. tech guy you know massive tech. billionaire because he got this deal.

with IBM and the 80s and all this stuff. right but why is he giving medical. advice on a massive scale I mean it just. seems really odd but the thing you know. to me that's the biggest red flag about. Gates is his relationship with Epstein. and I say this for a couple of reasons. mainly that if you look at who was the. one of the executors on Epstein's well. it was a guy named Boris Nicholas who. was actually Bill Gates chief scientist. advisor there's pictures of Nicolette. gates and an Epstein also Larry Summers. you know all together piling around and.

it came out you know after last year. after the the second Epstein arrest last. year that Epstein was very interested in. eugenics right I mean this was openly. admitted in mainstream media media and. what I was told what we're gonna get. into you today about Epstein by by one. of his victims is that they talked about. eugenics all the time and talked about. the superiority of races and and how. other races are lesser than others and. she was like this is how these people. think they talked to me like this they.

told me I was lesser than them you know. because I didn't have their DNA how. close our gates and Epstein personally. well so there has been a huge cover-up. on gates and Epstein ties I can say that. for a fact because the New York Times. originally it said like they had met in. 2016 and then the New York Times said oh. no actually it was 2011 but that's a lie. and I know this because there is this. article that is they've tried to scrub. from the internet but you can still find. it if you're you know persistent like I.

am on it's from The Evening Standard a. UK newspaper it's from January 2001 it. was written by Nigel Rosser and in there. it talks about a whole bunch of stuff. about Epstein of course this was before. he was controversial controversial right. so it says a lot of things about Epstein. it even mentions the intelligence ties. it says CIA it says Mossad in this. article right but other white sentence. that really caught my attention was. Jeffrey Epstein made his you know his. millions all his money from his business.

links to these three men and it says. those three men are Leslie Wexner Donald. Trump and the third one is Bill Gates. and this isn't 2001 and so obviously. there had to have been some relationship. there right right this 2001 so this is. an article written in 2001 about a had. why was it written was it like just a. piece about Jeffrey Epstein it was some. type of just biography or what what. exactly what was a tone of the article. so in this period of time Epstein had.

gotten some media attention mainly. because he was being or he was a scene. around Prince Andrew a lot in public. during this period. of time and ghilane Maxwell had always. sort of generated interest and the. British press because her father was. like this hated white-collar criminal. basically because he you know raided. that pension fund of you know the The. Daily Mirror and all this stuff so she. had sort of pop up in tabloid coverage. throughout the 1990s and this article. was focusing on on d'Alene and Epstein's.

relationship with with Andrew and was. trying to say to the British public you. know who were these you know new pals of. pals of Andrew Prince Andrew that we're. seeing you know hearing about all the. time who are they really and trying to. find out something about them before. anyone had really tried to do much of a. deep dive on them right and so that's. where this article came from and it. talks about Bill Gates openly and the. first epstein victim to go to the FBI. I'm Maria farmer who I interviewed. yesterday she said that when she was. around she was around Epstein and and.

ghilane pretty much every day for like. two years and she said that she heard. them talk about Bill Gates in 1995 like. they knew him really well we're gonna. get into that interview because that's. very interesting but just in general. after looking into this information is. it your belief that it's very possible. if not probable or likely that somebody. like Bill Gates has very different views. in private than the ones he shared in. public oh yeah okay absolutely I think. all of these billionaires do I mean. let's think about Leslie Wexler for.

example if you're going to buy the. reasoning that well he has so much money. he doesn't need anything else I mean why. would he do anything bad right um a lot. of times there's these people like this. that get this type of money anyone they. can't buy anything else they want. control right yes they want they want. that they're about you know that like. you said social engineering and control. or you know sort of imposing their. vision of the world and what they think. is best on other people or telling. everyone else to make sacrifices that. they will never have to make I mean.

that's another big thing trying for you. yeah basically engineer the lives of. regular people and and tell them to make. sacrifices where you know the wealthy. and the government will never be forced. to make those types of sacrifices well. with Bill Gates and vaccines why did his. you. the the pediatrician for his children. come forward and say that Bill Gates. refused to have his children vaccinated. is that true. from what I understand yes Wow.

that's very interesting because. obviously it's you know who wants Bill. Gates you know on your bad side well we. we do we do right here I've said that. before come and get us I'm kidding we i. or am i but let's get into this. interview with maria farmer who's. Epstein's an Epstein victim she's. somebody that you interviewed or spoke. to on the phone for three and a half. hours and she reached out to you because.

she was upset about a ruling that came. down talk a little bit about this ruling. that a lot of people don't understand. the significance of it eventually clear. it essentially closes the door on. anybody paying any price for what. happened to those women yeah you know in. a nutshell not to get too technical on. anyone basically what it means is that. someone like d'Alene Maxwell or any. other co-conspirator and what Epstein. was involved in walks free and they walk.

free for good it's basically saying. these people are immune to prosecution. and attend any epstein victim that comes. forward and tries to say this person was. involved they can't go to court and that. ruling came down and it was basically I. think separating civil and criminal. trials was it something like that. there's so many different cases right. now so I'm not a hundred percent sure on. that but I mean the important takeaway. is that essentially it claims that these.

other you know the sweetheart deal as. it's called all right oh she it was done. that that stands it was done correctly. you know and part of that deal that he. got the first time was that none of his. co-conspirators had to be named like. gray Maxwell or they're immune so they. all got immunity so when Epstein's first. deal was given out by a judge in Florida. and it was negotiated by a believe. Acosta who's the Secretary of Labor he.

negotiated that deal for. epsteen epsteen part of it was that none. of his co-conspirators would ever have. to face prosecution that seems insane. that you would be putting getting. blanket immunity to all his. co-conspirators but then that was the. ruling that was held up recently. so that Colin Maxwell so tell us a. little bit about Maria farmer and how. you guys started talking um well she. actually contacted me a while ago and I.

had just been really busy and was not I. was working on other stuff not epstein. research just because of like the crazy. times we live in there's so much going. on right but then this really happened. and I was like you know what let's talk. right now you know I you you your guys's. voice matters we need I mean the ruling. to me is just so outrageous because it. just sends this horrible message that. people can get away with crimes on this. scale to kids you know and and nothing. happens to them as long as they're in. bed with intelligence or organized crime.

or the right you know billionaires you. have enough money I mean you can do. anything you want basically that is the. takeaway that certainly is the takeaway. you know right so it's infuriating. and I was like you know that was a good. time and so I'm I had originally planned. to just ask her about the ruling and she. told me you know um she had talked to so. many reporters in mainstream media I. mean pretty much every outlet you can. think of and they just would not tell. her story she said as soon as I every.

time I would bring up Wexler they never. they always cut it out and she told me. wetters the head of the snake is what. she said she said of this whole. operation he's the head of the snake. you know he's the guy he's the brains of. this he's the guy that's coordinating. this all from his you know mansions this. is just the guy in charge basically and. essentially you know yeah and I mean. other people have said this the UFC was. basically just like a project manager he. was like mid-level management in terms. of this scheme you know people say oh.

yeah well he's gone so I mean that must. mean this stopped no way rile the people. that are at the top that were doing this. you know Epstein was just he was there. because he was really charismatic he. could convince these girls that he was. going to make their lives better. you know he was apparently really. charming and able to like you know bring. them in and then once they're in I mean. you just the tactics these people use I. mean make sure media doesn't really. report on that either you know like they. wouldn't let them they'd have the call. to permit for permission to go outside.

they're all these pinhole cameras. everywhere they watch their every move. even watch them like undress to change. clothes and stuff you know I mean once. you're in there it's really hard to get. out red and so any what were some of the. more you know when she called you what. were some of the things that other than. then Wexner what were some of the other. things that she had told you that. specifically mainstream media would not. allow her to say or would cut out well.

it was specifically anything to do with. Wexner um in a lot of other thing I mean. it was just so much because you know I. had read about her story in mainstream. media cuz they've reported on her right. and honestly she said everything that. she had told me she had told them and. less than five percent ended up in. mainstream media are you I mean are you. of the opinion that Wexner has it is an. asset of either a foreign intelligence. service or our intelligence service she. said that he he worried that he's Mossad.

that's what she said right it does and. then actually he's part of the the mob. like the the Mafia it was like organized. its organized crime and you know in my. series I point that out too that he you. know has basically documented ties to. the national crime syndicate which is. the Jewish and Italian mafia they. started their Union in the 1920s and. they've pretty much been blackmailing. ever since and they got in bed with this. you know the OSS the precursor the CIA. and then after the CIA was made they got. in bed with them and that's where all of.

this has really come from right so. waxers you know a part of that and he's. been carrying the sign and but every. time she would bring him up they would. cut it out they don't want to go after. Wexner but you know I mean if he's the. head of this it won't stop until there's. some accountability for him but. apparently because he's the richest man. in Ohio no one wants to say anything and. I think that's sick what he has a yeah. Apple absolutely what did she say about. ghilane Maxwell what was her role in. this and where does she think she is. or well she said ghilane maxwell is the.

most dangerous woman she thinks she's. ever met and the most dangerous asset. for israel that's a direct quote she. said that and she said that ghilane. maxwell talked about israel and said. that she that she and waxer and Epstein. were not loyal to the United States they. were loyal to Israel I mean she they. straight up told her that she had. passports ghilane did for like five. different countries including Israel. United States United Kingdom France um.

you know I mean this woman was was. balls-deep in intelligence and of course. anyone that looks at her father knows. this ghilane also told her that she. believes her father was murdered by his. Raley intelligence but then given a. state funeral because of his importance. right among other things but she said. ghilane is is a dangerous very dangerous. woman but didn't have a lot of friends. so the people she would treat us you. know her servants her employees she.

ended up trying to like share. information about herself she's like. have her go shopping with her sit her. down and go through photo albums of her. childhood um she got 12 photo albums of. her growing up with the royal family. that has not been mentioned in. mainstream media they claim the prince. and root eyes were like in the late 90s. with d'Alene Maxwell she says no way I. mean they were really young in these. pictures and her were like photo album. after photo album Wow of them yeah when. you say dangerous woman is it farmers.

like that that ghilane could make people. disappear that she could I mean is. farmer did farmers suggest that like you. know there were certain girls or victims. that she used to see around that she. doesn't see around anymore. was there anything of that nature. discussed well on the last point she. didn't say ghilane she didn't talk about. killing murdering anyone per se but she. definitely does think that there were a.

lot of kids that ended up dying that got. recruited we can go into that later but. in terms of what ghilane Maxwell was. doing you know she said that she. one day went to her art portfolio. because she wasn't she was recruited to. work for Epstein she was basically. forced to work for Epstein because of. the the Dean of the school the art. school she was going to New York. basically said oh you're gonna work for. you know these guys basically and that's. why she was there to watch more. portfolio I mean no I said what school.

school not that's called York Academy of. Art and the woman that was the be the. the head of the school at the time was a. woman named Eileen Guggenheim and. there's pictures of her with this lady. Marina Abramovic. depends right why on the podcast I do. want to say that myself neither you or. suicidal no okay just want to let.

everyone know that these people to town. yeah I mean yeah because the fact that. mainstream media would not report this. and it's fine it's my job now yeah the. FBI knew this all this stuff in 1996. Jesus most of mainstream media knew this. in the early 2000s Micky Ward knew all. this stuff so so the Guggenheim owned. school of Manhattan or she's the. principal or somebody tells Maria that.

you are now gonna work for Jeffrey. Epstein basically yeah and and as what. as an assistant as a masseuse as uh I. mean she ended up doing like interior. decorating. okay stuff like that for all these. apartments because they had this whole. apartment building that's officially. owned by Epstein's brother we're like. all these girls were kept there were so. many places there were so many buildings. these apartments offices were Epstein. worked ghilane had offices I mean just.

tons of real estate how many women are. we talking about girls at any given time. uh Murray this was a 1995 to 1996 she. said that she saw between at least five. different girls a day come in and out of. Epstein's offices okay so he's running a. global operation yes um we can I have. some audio clips yes from the class. - yeah let's let's get into that yeah. now you've heard you've heard a lot of.

mind-blowing stuff but you you said this. call you were on was one of the most. mind-blowing things you've ever heard. yeah yeah this case I reported on it. like all last year I thought I knew what. had happened I just can't believe that. no one told the these women's stories. that they like limited hang out hang out. in the crap out of it. I just I'm appalled you know I I don't. like mainstream media that's why I do. what I do because they're not doing.

their job you know but I didn't really. like hate them until this call. interesting all right let's get into the. first clip here that is a clip from the. call with you and Maria former Epstein. victim Whitney I got it I've got to tell. you something this is why I've been. dying to tell you there are only 30. women that have come forward 30 Whitney. I saw between I'm not kidding I'm very. disturbed by this part I saw at least.

five girls come in that house a day I. mean I'm a really slow down no Whitney. it's in it's in the thousands where are. they where are they never they dead I. mean children not to be dead because. here's the thing like Brad was like what. if they speak a drug addict. what you think some of them were killed. I think that they had to be because. here's the thing Whitney Brad said he.

knows that 500 just in Florida like we. can't find them where are they and the. thing is like oh this kids making his. loud machine out there anyway all I was. gonna say is that that these children. were between you know yeah thousand. thousand I was there a year and I saw. sevensupergirls which is it was so. exhausting Whitney they were in his. office. they were in there just constantly.

little girls there constantly and I. remember one one of the reasons I quit I. said I am tired of dealing with the. number of people. cutting going you know I'm just tired of. and that sounds horrible now but I. didn't understand what was happening. entirely I just knew it was weird and I. certainly didn't know it was pedophilia. I mean and the other thing is G LAN had. said one day in Florida when I was in. Florida she said you know we have to go. on a jog for a while and I said why and.

she said well Jeffrey needs three. massages so while I was in Florida there. were three little girls being assaulted. and now I look back on that I'm so. creeped out you know I didn't know but I. knew that they abused their maids from. the Philippines that was another reason. I quit because one day I went to take a. nap upstairs in the 66 in the mansion on. 71st and you know I worked the door like.

signing people in and there was no one. coming in that day and so I went and. took a nap and what they were the. sweetest ladies from the Philippines. ever and they came in and they were. looking at tucking me in and one of them. whispered we I said I said how long have. you worked here and she said we were. stolen like what does that mean they. were stolen they were trafficked and. they had them and they had women from. the Philippines in Florida and and in.

New York and in the house on and the. ranch and no one ever cares like I. mentioned this and everybody goes yeah. well they traffic throughout the. Philippines and Thailand a serpent yeah. I mean that is so incredibly disturbing. to listen to the idea yeah the idea of. that that the mainstream media wouldn't.

report that there were so many more. potential victims and there's been very. little effort on the part of the media. to find these women you know well those. 500 victims in Florida they have their. names they can't find them anywhere. really who's got their names. the one of the victims lawyers and they. can not they know there's these 500. victims in Florida they can't find and.

how did they get the names of those. victims I think you'd have to ask them I. don't really know exactly how they but I. mean you know it's their job than best. to eat this stuff and have houris. victims that have come forward yeah I. mean they apparently have names and. they're these girls are nowhere and. that's just 500 like she was saying this. was in the 90s this was like five a day. different girls yeah back then you could. make people disappear relatively easily. especially if they were from a lower. socioeconomic background some of them. were foster kids some of them were you. know fall through the cracks and and so.

easily nobody's looking for those girls. nobody's trying to find them it's insane. now Maria farmer was a victim of Epstein. how was she sexually assaulted by him or. what what was her role there so she. started out as an interior decorator. then how does she get how does she get. wrapped up in in what else was going on. let me tell you I'll try and summarize. her story and and when you hear it you. will realize why the mainstream media.

will not tell her story because it. happened the worst of it happened at. Westerners house okay in New Albany Ohio. right so obviously if they were to talk. about it in any sort of detail they can. talk about Wexler right right so at some. point where she was working for Epstein. she was basically told oh a beguile. wetzler that's leslie wepner's wife. wants an artist-in-residence and she was. basically you know told it would be. great and she could go eat at this. country club and go play tennis there.

and it was gonna be all nice and I was. his biggest aide and there were horses I. don't know so she ends up going she. stays in his guest house it has just. like all these other residences all. these cameras everywhere they watch her. every move she has to call Abigail. Wexner or someone to get you know. permission to leave the house you can go. outside and like sit on the porch you. know um this Country Club she tried to. go and she was told that she wouldn't be. served which interesting what just weird.

but apparently she said all these people. like d'Alene. all these people would just tell her. they were like really supremacists um I. don't know so apparently she said that. didn't surprise her based on everything. else she experienced around these people. but at some point you know she was there. for three months and they really limited. the amount of food they gave her she. felt like she was being starved she said. which is disturbing so she was basically.

trapped there. you know um and you know Epstein and. Elaine came I think three to four times. during her three-month stay there on the. last stay they tried to rape her both of. them and Epstein and what what happened. then well I'm so when we talked she. jumped around a lot from different. topics from this to that from what I. understand after that you know they. ended up believing she called the police.

and the police basically said they. weren't gonna come help her because they. work for Wexner they work at his gate at. the estate and to like stop calling. basically and how old was she when this. was happening she was an adult but I. don't know how the thing is she was an. adult when this happened but they took. her sister they kidnapped her sister and. she was like 15. when did there's something hidden that. her sister um I'd have to look because.

it's a long story. I mean three and a half hours no of. course yesterday yeah but I mean. mainstream media the New York Times. basically makes the story son like oh. she went to Wexler's house to paint a. mural and Epstein hired her then Epstein. tried to put his hands on her and then. she called the cops and you know that. was it. no and apparently at some point this. bodyguard for Wexner who's former like. Special Forces military guy who's now. Will Smith's bodyguard um he basically. came over and was like you know you're.

never leaving here and was like. basically like I'm gonna kill you and. the only reason she said she made it out. is because there was a landline in that. house and she called literally everyone. she had ever met in her entire life. Wow her entire like her whole family. as many people as she could saying. they're trying to kill me now because. they saw her making a stink with all. these cameras they ended up letting her. go and she said to me I was an adult at.

the time what if I had been one of those. preteen girls or one of those younger. kids what would have happened to me. did she ever see any notable people any. bold-faced names with Epstein and. ghilane that would be surprising to. anybody oh yeah one thing that shocked. me honestly is that she said that in New. York ghilane would go to these like. around the time school would get out.

like middle schools she would like drive. around and say that she was recruiting. models for Victoria's Secret and would. go up to like all these twelve-year-old. girls with like braces and stuff and. school uniforms but she almost always. went to do this with Ivana Trump Trump's. ex-wife and say they living together all. the time and this going around in cars. talking to these young girls and that. they would exchange information and the. next day those girls would be in. Epstein's office so she would go around.

- I imagine you know where these prep. schools are these public I mean I don't. know exactly yeah it's hard to imagine. that they're going to very wealthy. schools because then the parents of. those kids would also be sort of. powerful and connected people but I but. who knows who knows but so she was going. to junior high schools middle schools. with Ivana Trump and getting and saying.

she was recruiting girls for Victoria. wait what was even good fruit and girls. for she talked ghilane told Maria. because Maria would come along in the. car they'd be like come with us like. she's like d'Alene would take her. shopping and all this stuff she'd be. like get in the car let's go you know. she would like stay in the car and like. see these exchanges happen you know but. one thing she did tell me is that they. asked the kids about their grades they. only wanted the kids with good grades. they wanted smart kids and they wanted.

talented kid. like creative kids and she would send a. modeling agency and then and you do this. with Ivana Trump yeah I mean it's. satanic it's horrible it's evil. what vana Trump what's what's the angle. there I mean I mean does does her name. come up yeah never come up before but. she was like I want her to explain. herself why would she always there and. why was she always going around with. ghilane with these kids you know why was. she involved like she should explain.

herself that's what that's what Maria is. there are a lot of photos with ghilane. and Ivana Trump I haven't seen any but. that doesn't mean I would yeah okay I. mean there's pictures of ghilane and. Trump from like the early 90s and stuff. so I really honestly want it be this. surprising this was like mid 90s right. this is like 95 all right you know by. the time it hit like 2000 and so like. the Trump epstein relationship sort of. started to get rocky it started to. degenerate why why exactly did it start.

to get rocky well from what I understand. it was sort of competition about real. estate at some point there was this. mansion in Palm Beach that FC wanted to. buy and flip and then and then he shut. it to Trump and asked his opinion and. then Trump ended up taking it from. Epstein or something like that some sort. of like real estate marksmanship games. yeah apparently after Trump did that the. epsteen epsteen tried to like set him up. or something with some sort of like. blackmail saying I don't so Maria when.

did Maria start figuring out that hey. this is not a modeling agency it's not. that these aren't talents Kouts these. people are pedophiles did she figure it. out before she got was it the rape in. Ohio that did it the attempted rape or. she had no she said yes okay during the. attempted rape she was like she said. everything like that started to click. all this weird stuff she'd seen and just. like didn't understand just thought they. were like just weird total weirdos she. when she was being assaulted it just. clicked she's like these people have. been around my sister you know he's way.

younger than her right right these. people burned on my sister and then she. said that she out of nowhere had this. feeling that they've taken these. pictures she had of her of her sisters. that were like hidden and like the. basement of this guesthouse she like had. all her stuff there like super organized. and because she was an artist she had. like some pictures of like her younger. sisters like half naked for like Anatomy. stuff but she always painted them with. their clothes on and apparently they had. gone in there and taken the pictures and.

after she escaped that mass barely she. called Epstein's office trying to get. those pictures back and eventually. someone called her back and said don't. try and get the pictures back there in. his briefcase and he's using them and. then she hung up how long did you work. for him in total it was nine 1995 to. 1996 when that you know when she was. assaulted I don't know exactly what. month she began I I had to do a. follow-up call with her it was just. taking it all in at once you know I mean. yeah I was just like tell me whatever.

you want to tell me you know it's like I. have all afternoon. let's go what else did you see anything. yeah what else do you remember in terms. of disturbing or you know things that. you would not necessarily heard before. well there's a clip for this one yeah. she said the FBI is was just as abusive. to her as as I've seen in Maxwell which. is just insane since that's supposed to.

be the institution that protects people. like this. yeah let's I mean well who believed. nobody listening to this show believes. that I'll say it I'm sure there are. people out there that believe that. nobody's listening to this show okay. what let's play that clip because that's. an interesting clip to get into today's. after she left was that the end of. contact she had with them after the. assault and they finally let her out. what did she have any further contact. with them yeah yeah she said that when. she went back to New York after that. whole incident in Ohio the Epstein's.

doctor and followed her around very. creepy alright we're gonna play the clip. now here's the FBI clip I mean okay I. can't even explain to you how abusive. the effing bee is it's unbelievable to. me I mean they first of all never. offered me witness protection and when I. first called them they knew I was don't. believe me they knew I would out they. knew everything I was telling him they. already knew because they're in on it. and it was so weird his reactions.

I was talking to him you know I called. and I got some answer guy and then he. passes me to some guy who's like when I. start talking about Wexner you know and. I asked the guy do you have this is all. over the thumb in 1996 I said do you. have a file unless Wexner and he said. why and I said he's the head of the. snake in this in America and I don't. even know I was intuiting this just and. also I think it's common sense when you. see all the stuff of all going on and. anyway when I said that to him he said.

yeah but I don't know maybe we do and I. said well he's a he's these people are. using child pornography and they've. stolen photographs of my sisters vadik. that right there would have been life in. prison for Jeff Randall and I still have. the envelope with their touch DNA and. fingerprints on them and the FBI will. not take them from me they never would. they would never take the envelopes that. they stole I mean they photographs out. of these envelopes and I have proof I.

still have the envelopes Whitney and the. FBI was like yeah no we don't we don't. need that they also knew in 1996 that I. had been trafficked and Annie had been. trafficked and that would have been. enough to put them away but they never. cared they didn't care and the worst. part was I lamed everybody I named. Donald Trump I named everyone who I. thought was a co-conspirator at the time. so I named like Alan Dershowitz Donald. Trump absolutely the Clintons you know.

these are people that I saw coming and. going that I knew were part of it and I. made it really clear that this is a very. scary thing for children and that I see. between five and ten girls a day going. upstairs and now that I know what. happening to them I want it stopped and. that's supposed to go yeah I mean this. is just mind-blowing stuff you know when. she says that she tells the FBI that you.

know she has information on on people. that are trafficking children and they. do nothing and we've heard this before. we've heard it with the Franklin scandal. there's been many other pedophile rings. in the UK. Quorra boys home in the UK north Fox. Island another another much smaller but. also wealthy powerful people abused you. children. the Franklin scandal is the big you know. from the 80s and 90s is the huge. precursor to Epstein um where you had a. very politically connected figure doing.

the same exact thing what is your belief. when you zoom out for a minute and you. look at this from 30,000 feet and what. does this say about our society what. does it say about the ruling class what. does it say about elites what does it. say about how people are controlled what. what does it say to you after looking at. all this stuff. what can you what can you extract from.

this and apply it to like kind of. overarching thesis of of what's going on. that we don't really know about oh wow. okay so this is definitely global in. scale number one I think a lot of these. elites aren't loyal to the nation's they. live in they're loyal to their ruling. class like this is a supranational like. swamp basically you know how people in. the US are calling like you know the the. deep state the swamp I mean I feel like.

you know there's a lot of billionaires. that have this sort of super national. structure and they're just like in it to. do this sick stuff because Leslie Wexner. is not the only billionaire that's into. this right I can say that perfect well. yeah when we hear people talk about the. occult and that a lot of these people. are just into strange weird ancient. religions and weird types of ceremonies. and things like that. how much does that figure into some of.

the things that you've looked at whether. it's Marina Abramovic or what cuz I. dismiss a lot of that stuff because I. say it's bad enough if they're. pedophiles I don't really care if. they're satanic or Mormon it doesn't. really matter that much to me. how much credence do you put in this. stuff where you do see a lot of a cult. imagery and a lot of a cult types of. ceremonies in these you know whether. it's secret societies or fraternity I. mean. what amount of weight do you give that. stuff well you know I think throughout.

the time like several decades have there. been a lot of people looking at the. stuff I think intelligence agencies have. had people out there to do what they. call muddy the waters you know trying. discredit legitimate research and into. these type of crimes by putting out. stuff that's just like you know not but. in terms of like the you know the Satan. is stuff and all of that actually I. didn't take any clips out from this but. Maria did said that she saw weird.

symbols at like Epstein's places and. Elaine's apartment and stuff that she. saw somewhere else later word and. someone told her that like that was. Buffett yeah like a Satanist thing like. she saw she said she saw that but wasn't. like overly familiar with that type of. stuff. it was taste it was tasteful it wasn't. overdone the bottom a successful it was. it wasn't overdone it was a little. little batiment there a little yeah um. what when people talk about the Clintons.

and Trump you know we're talking about. the most being a powerful people but see. they're not the most powerful people in. the world but they're certainly you know. they occupy some of those powerful. positions in the world when you when you. what is your opinion of the role that. either one of those men had in this. after looking at a lot of the. information that you've looked at well. honestly I think since the days of John. F Kennedy the president doesn't really. have as much power as we'd like to think. he does I think part of the reason for.

that is to make people think that. elections like actually make a. difference at least presidential. elections and that is law and have. people you know sort of develop this. political savior complex as long as we. have the right guy in the White House. you know then every as long as you know. we can fix things if we get this one guy. in this one office and I think since the. days of JFK that type of stuff is not. really reasonable anymore because what. we're dealing with is you know these. intelligence agencies that do these.

things like you know support Epstein in. in that type of activity for example but. they're also involved in drug running. they're also involved involved in gun. running I mean they're essentially. organized crime syndicates so I'm like I. said earlier they got in bed the CIA. right as soon as it was formed basically. got in bed with the mob and they're in. bed with the mob and a bunch of other. countries they work closely with other. intelligence agencies like Mossad and. mi5 in the UK that do the same thing so. um yeah I mean that's basically who. rules the world but they answer to.

people - right and that's actually um. there's this one clip that I that I have. to conclude I guess that we're good. lanes talking about a little bit because. she says that even though ghilane and. and Waxman we're working for Israel. right so she said Wexner was the head of. the snake in America but there's another. family that she thinks is like the head. of the snake snake okay and and and. where does she think Elaine Maxwell is. currently bad sigh let's play the clip.

all right here Maria farmer Epstein. victim is talking about ghilane Maxwell. so then she says to me you know my dad. was a very powerful man and you know he. was very important she said Maria you. don't understand the man she's showing. me like who she grew up with and how. powerful he was and how much money they. had and then she goes on to tell me she. said you know Maria and this is true she. said and she showed me she had Passport.

get this I don't know how this is legal. she had a passport rented passports an. English passport an Israeli passport an. American passport and there was one. other I'm trying to think of what the. other one was and I was like I thought. you were only allowed to be citizen like. of two countries or something I didn't. know she's like oh no no no because of. my dad I'm the citizen of all these. nations and I'm like what. so then later when she was talking to me. about something one day she said that.

the Rothschilds were the greatest. protectors of her family and she wasn't. talking about Lindh Forester by the way. she's the people that are in her okay so. the Rothschilds who are the Ross because. that's like their the centerpiece of. every conspiracy since beginning of time. pretty much. who are they I mean I kind of as soon as. I hear the rothschilds I usually roll my. eyes and go ah boy here we go then. people are gonna start talking about. numerology soon and you know like you're. gonna get into like so who are the.

Roth's I mean I who are the Rothschilds. other than a very they're a. multi-generational banking family I mean. I don't want to like talk about all the. different things people have said about. them over the years but there are some. obvious facts people who can point to a. multi-generational banking family in. several countries in Europe you know a. lot of very influential people that. later we go into positions of major. political power and sometimes they're. Rothschild bankers like macaron of. France used to work for a Rothschild. bank Commerce Secretary of the United.

States Wilbur Ross also used to work for. them right um but it's also worth. pointing out since you know we it's. pretty much documented now that these. guys were working with Israeli. intelligence that the influence of the. Rothschilds in the creation of Israel I. mean this is historical fact the Balfour. Declaration that really paved the way. for the creation of Israel as a. political state was addressed to the. Rothschild family I mean they were the. people that really pushed you know.

funded and nurtured the Zionist movement. in its early days in the 19th century. and I mean you can see that reflected in. Israel today one of the biggest roads in. Tel Aviv is named after a Rothschild the. Knesset building which is like Israel's. Congress I mean that was financed by the. Rothschild family they have definite. influence there I would argue and I. think a lot of other people I mean it's. hard to see that type of money floating. around and patronage to a certain. nation-state and assume they don't have. the influence there and right and. Elaine's father was an Israeli asset.

intelligence asset and a media mogul. right he published papers and that you. can in the UK right right okay so he was. you know probably the proper propaganda. arm okay Mack Robert Maxwell did like he. had a relationship with with Russian. intelligence as well but he apparently. British intelligence thought about. recruiting him at some point and they. said no because he's only loyal to.

Israel so he was considered to be like. you know and as. really superspy basically but he had. like a lot of connections to different. intelligence agencies in the world but. apparently he had been given money to. build his media empire by massage. penance ears are fine answers and and. had basically been on you know put in. this position to manage this money and. he didn't you know it wasn't able to pay. him Assad back at some point and started. making threats and when Epstein gets.

caught the second time is this just a. major glitch in the matrix is this that. nobody see this coming whoa how does you. know he's got all these powerful friends. he gets away with it the first time what. is what is the second time then how do. we understand that is it that just you. know you had an aggressive district. attorney in New York how exactly or a. day aggressive US attorney how exactly.

does he get to get brought in the second. time um. so Maria said that it had to do with. some very tenacious NYPD detectives that. were very adamant about about you know. getting this guy charged again she said. the Berman guy Jeffrey Berman the. district attorney is not a good guy. that's what she said so that she said. that he basically had to act because. these guys at NYPD were like really. persistent and that she knew that he was. going to be arrested like two weeks. before because they had come to.

interview her and like solidify up the. case and all this stuff and and these. NYPD guys how does the case even fall. into their lap I don't know personally. before I talk to her I put this had to. do with Deutsche Bank because it's just. two weeks before he was arrested a bank. which was the only bank that would still. really do business publicly anyway with. Epstein close their accounts do you. think there's anything true about the. idea that anthony Weiner's laptop had. information on it is this something that.

you've heard this story that you've. heard this idea okay but i but it but. NYPD guys certainly pushed for Epstein. to be I guess that's what Maria said she. said they came to her what in June. okay of last year and and we're building. a case and that it was them not the. Berman guy and she said some of the. stuff that that Berman said during the. press conference she found really. offensive right but um I'd have to go.

back in the call and find out exactly. what she said about it she named the. detective at NYPD that was like she said. was awesome but I can't recall his name. right well she was she after the assault. Epstein is then stalking her what does. that mean following her around. apparently they really didn't like it. when someone left and she had tried to. quit numerous times before and it was. always like no no you can go here you. can go there and they would try and pass. her pass her off to like you know.

friends or whatever and I've been sure. that's how she ended up at wexner place. yeah and I guess it's intimidating when. you have all these powerful rich people. around you and you're working for them. you don't want to make enemies you try. to stick it out you know you and. annotate you know obviously once you're. assaulted then you're like okay it's. time to go you know I mean she didn't. realize like I said a lot of the things. that she had seen over the years that. she had just thought was weird and like. dismissed it just all sort of went. during the assault she said it all just. sort of started to click and like come. together and she was like oh that's what. these people really are not the do be.

now have you you read it all about the. Dubin family you know Vanity Fair did an. article about that girlfriend daughter. was like yeah apparently this is kind of. common with these families that are tied. to this did you hear that thing about. did you see the thing about Bloomberg. goes wherever I am in the world I get my. daughter a date you see China yeah.

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she up to what is she gonna come out and. reveal herself publicly she's suing. Epstein's estate cuz she wants her money. or something there's a law yeah. I think that's about giving the money. back for the intelligence agency that. funded this whole thing back to where it. came from right because why else would. she be suing because I mean her money. didn't come you know it was all given to. her do you think just like all of. Epstein's money we've given to him you. cannot make like billions he was given.

all this money by thwack sir do you. think we'll see ghilane Maxwell again. ever publicly I don't know she is not. hiding in Israel that she's living in. the Rothschild mansion where's that was. her watch okay apparently they have. several yeah but that she's with the UK. Rothschilds on the head of that family. by the way Lord Jacob Rothschild since. we mentioned her earlier Marina. Abramovic. they have recently this picture of them. together and behind this painting that's.

called like Satan summons his legions. they're like posing in this together. right I mean it's weird some weird sums. up why I was looking and again I was. always the skeptic a pizza gate only. because there were no victims right you. know Franklin victims can Cora victims. come forward North Fox Island victims. come forward Jeffrey Epstein victims. come forward in anything without victims. where we're just looking at our tour. which is but if you look at some of the. art that Tony Podesta had and some of.

the artists and some of the artists that. he would frequently purchase art from. it's [ __ ] weird there's kids in cages. there they're tuned sacrifices it's very. odd you know I don't know man I've never. seen and I've been to some wealthy. people's homes I've really never seen. art like that right yeah you know a lot. of people like Wexner and like Epstein. before this started to come out I mean.

their public persona I mean Bill Clinton. and the like caught in the early 2000s. called Epstein a philanthropist right I. mean they had like these rosy. reputations like look at how much. Webster is given the Ohio State. University and the medical schools named. after him and oh he gave all this money. to a hospital look at him giving all his. money away and people say the same stuff. about people like Bill Gates yeah. Bill Gates after the Epstein. skip hanging out with Epstein he knew. Epstein apparently in the 90s but he did.

business together I don't know what that. business was but but Gates flew on his. plane like three times he went to the. island now get all this stuff that's. apparently fine that's apparently fine. I've seen all these different scientists. around him he said his interest was. eugenics what I mean what in in what. form what are they trying to do if you. had to wrap your head around why he's. having these salons with all these. scientists and he's having these you.

know you know meetings with all these. important people in the field of science. what what is the goal what do you think. the end goal if you had to speculate I. know you don't love doing that because. you're a great reporter but if you had. to speculate what do you think he wants. does he want to influence health policy. so that it kind of promotes some of. these more nefarious ideas that he has. and does he want to rank you chantix up. in like a nice bow and say here it's not. eugenics it's uh whatever you know.

whatever you would call it it's it's. better life we call it better life you. know right exactly what Bill Gates wants. but I do know what Jeffrey Epstein was. interested in in terms of his eugenics. interest and this has been reported in. mainstream media but if that's the case. with like what they did to Murray a. farmer and they only reported 5%. I mean Riley who knows but what they did. say is that he was basically interested. in essentially making like a master race. and that they were looking for girls. that were intelligent and and they were.

asking about grades you know they only. wanted smart kids creative kids talented. kids and actually Maria farmers younger. sister was one of these girls that was. going to be that was being groomed to. have Epstein's children in glee and then. after the assault you know she got you. know Killeen called her and said you. ruined everything like she was gonna. have your sister was gonna have. Epstein's baby she was so lucky and all. this stuff like they really think their. genetics are superior um as far as what.

Bill Gates might be up to I would you. know I don't want to speculate because I. don't um I don't know what he says in. private. I can't assume but I would really urge. people to look at the history of. eugenics in the United States because in. the 1920s the eugenics movement was so. powerful to the Supreme Court ruled that. a mother and her young daughter had to. be sterilized because they were too. stupid really were from like a poor yeah. oh yeah and and this is not isolated. there were states that had passed. eugenic laws before this I mean they're.

the billionaires of the Gilded Age we're. really into this and and they were like. and the lady that they said to sterilize. and that Supreme Court ruling was a poor. white person you know they were just. like oh you're too stupid cuz you're. from you know the Appalachian Mountains. you know but they you know they've been. like that with other you know it's not. just white people you know of corn no of. course not obviously of course but that. type of mentality actually ended up. inspiring Hitler but obviously with.

World War two that type of mentality. went out of style and there's a lot of. people who make the convincing argument. that those people that were a Genesis in. the United States during that period of. time maintained their views but found a. way to sort of let it slide under the. public right right controversial gadget. singer go there okay well Margaret. Sanger who was the founder of like.

Planned Parenthood right a long time ago. she wrote very disturbing things about. African Americans right right. intentionally wanted to Planned. Parenthood centers there where there was. the highest concentration of. african-americans yeah I mean it's a bit. messy you can read her letter Oh God. you know I don't want to get into the. whole like issue because it's like such. a left and right divide and I really try. and do everything I can to like.

transcend to the left-right divide. because there's so much more important. stuff anyways reading abortion ring. right but I mean if this lady was saying. this stuff and saying I want to put the. center here because I don't want this. particular race to like I don't want. there you know I don't want them to have. a lot of kids Wow yeah that's my stop in. Pete's father was associated with that. organization apparently he was he had. ties to the Rockefellers and the. Rockefeller family were from the time of.

the first billionaire JD rockefeller in. the Gilded Age where they were passing. all these laws he was into that stuff. and his sons were into that stuff right. right so I would say to people that want. to sort of look at this look at the. history because we know what those. people were saying and what they were. doing because they were open about it. then right right and now they can ask. yourself yeah this continued they were. never held it held accountable you know. what I mean yeah it's very possible and. if you look at stuff Bill Gates has said. like you know a couple years ago too.

many Africans right so now those those. those views have maybe gone underground. but they're still very much you know. held by people and what do you think it. is you know you study these people. you've written about them is it is it. power as it control do they want to just. control the entire world what's the goal. here what's the the end game is to just. have a slave race of people that will do. the jobs and then have this you know. kind of perfected race of people that. gets to enjoy the benefits of I mean.

what what what do you think the picture. looks like well because you know like. you saying this had gone like. underground I really believe that. because something that Maria told me is. that she heard ghilane and all of these. people she was around say the most. racist things and I mentioned earlier. that they were very supremacist but they. would not go to cities where they. thought there were too many. african-americans they said racist first. of all I want about be SPEA I want my. human traffickers to be woke and.

politically correct I do. I won't I don't sleep at night if my. human traffickers are not for diversity. and inclusion but bill is so Colleen. Maxwell I mean it's just fascinating to. me man when you when you look at all. this stuff how evil these people are how. powerful they are how big the system is. how utterly impossible it seems to get. any justice nobody seems to be able to. even what it looks like now who whacked. Epstein in your estimation Mossad hit.

what is it. I honestly don't know because you know a. lot of people talk spend a lot of time. talking about his death and like what. happened to him I think that attention. is better spent asking how the heck are. we gonna get d'Alene Maxwell in prison. and how are we gonna get Leslie Wexner. in prison well or problem yeah I wish we. would there's no camera footage so. honestly anything could have happened. honestly I mean who really knows I mean.

the prison guards won't talk they're. being charged I mean they won't say. anything right they were apparently like. a sleep or whatever right now in the. camera footage was there and then it. disappeared and who knows so you know I. don't really know what happened honestly. there's a lot of people that definitely. wanted him dead that's pretty clear he. was middle management. he brought we're saving if they killed. Robert Maxwell is usefulness you know.

what I mean. coronavirus man-made natural what do you. think everyone that's saying they know. what it is I don't think they're telling. the truth because it's really hard to. know there's so much information out. there it's hard but what I do think is. inaccurate and we're seeing this huge. very similar to the weapons of mass. destruction so let's go to war with. China tomorrow yeah let's go to war with. China tomorrow yeah yeah yeah well. what's disturbing is that a lot of the. evidence these people are citing saying. it's a Chinese by a weapon for example.

they cite studies and if you actually. look at those studies and you look at. the funding it was funded by not just. the Chinese government but a lot of US. government organizations and that that. lab in Wuhan had direct ties to Fort. Dietrich right and these other these. other you know u.s. research. organizations even these people that are. claiming that its exclusive Chinese. bioweapon they shared all these articles. today saying Facebook's factor what. worked at the Wuhan lab it's an American. right right and they're acting like.

people aren't gonna get it you know I. mean so obviously there's like why would. they leave that out you know what do you. say there's something you think these. shutdowns continue do you think we can. ever get our rights back do you think. that they're gonna keep finding ways to. take more and more rights under the. guise of yeah yeah now public health. it was terrorism for many years now. it'll now it'll be public health yeah. well it's another invisible enemy isn't. it other where the you know the. terrorists and after 9/11 and now you. know we're allied the US government is.

like allied with al Qaeda in Syria and. Yemen basically like fighting some. there's a half a Miss and we gave up all. those all these rights for that yeah. friendly supporting them I mean it's. insane. but in terms of coronavirus I'm some of. the reporting I've done in recent weeks. has really shown that a lot of the. solutions for coronavirus that were. being told we need to you know these. systems like these surveillance systems. we have to implement you know these were. planned out last year months ago yeah um. for example this coronavirus.

surveillance system they were promoting. this under a different name called safe. home under this agency they wanted to. make called harpa it was Ivanka Trump. promoting that now Jared Kushner is. promoting this thing today in his like. new task force or whatever but last year. they were saying it needed to be done to. stop mass shootings and what what is. what they're doing what is taking these. solutions that they want to implement. and they're just tacking on whatever. Americans are most afraid of what is. this yeah now it's perilla fire what is. this surveillance system though what are. they trying to do what are they gonna.

try to do well they're basically trying. to get Americans private medical records. in a giant database mixed with. everything that's on your consumer. smartphone and use it to make sure. you're not social distancing and all. this stuff but it's definitely more than. that and I'll tell you why because last. October bill Barr the Attorney General. created a pre-crime program that started. this year it's called deep the. disruption and early engagement program. he created that last year saying that.

this was supposed to be to stop mass. shootings and it's it's pre-crime. because the idea behind it is that you. arrest someone who's mobilizing towards. violence and the way you do it is by. looking at their health records and what. they say on social media and that you. arrest them before they can they can. strike right that's pre-crime and that. is a slippery slope and under after. coronavirus and although all these. lockdowns happens bill barge Department. of Justice asked for the right to. indefinitely detain Americans without. trial he hasn't gotten the.

but he might think that this poll. surveillance dragnet they're not going. to be pushing through it's crazy I have. another report coming out next week. about this little-known US government. body called the National Security. Commission on artificial intelligence. it's chaired by Eric Schmidt formerly. the head of you know alphabet Google's. parent company and is full of all these. like CIA guys Pentagon guys and. basically what they say in this document. that just came out last year that no one. is reporting on which is insane they.

basically say in order for the u.s. as a. you know uh for national security. purposes we have to maintain a technical. article advantage over China and. artificial intelligence and the way to. do that is to remake American society so. that we adopt a Chinese style like. surveillance state but worse than what. China has that's basically what he said. was scandalous where is this coming out. of again I'll send it to you it came out. of a Freedom of Information Act request.

I'm just like a couple days ago no one's. covered it and it is just the most. scandalous document and it's insane and. they're told is the opposite of you're. hearing about you know oh the social. credit score and Oh China is abusing. human rights they are literally saying. we have to do that here or we will not. be able to set international norms and. not be able to like control the market. of the fourth Industrial Revolution that. AI is going to create and all this stuff. and you're basically saying we have to.

eliminate individual car ownership we. have to eliminate cash and credit cards. you can't even see like they call these. things legacy systems. oh no that's basically in there feels. like no more in-person shopping you have. to do it online now and yeah is you this. is so [ __ ] nuts because this is not. what I was talking about in the band. these are people that are said in order. to be China we have to become China yeah. that's what they're saying they're. saying China is going to leapfrog us and. go miles ahead and adoption of these.

technologies unless we D do what they're. doing and we do it faster and we have to. leap frog then basically and do you and. they're basically using this pandemic to. do that to remake society they're doing. this controlled demolition of the. economy. and they're not gonna reopen it up until. they remake everything I think wow based. on the stuff this is this is very. disturbing so they want to get rid of a. lot of these legacy systems that's what. they call it. yeah like going to a store in person and. buying stuff legacy system yeah.

owning your own car legacy system using. cash or a credit card legacy system so. now what are you gonna use they want it. to be all smartphone based payments like. they do in India now because India like. a year or two ago like a lemony that. almost all currency in circulation and. no one there has credit cards so they. all had to adopt this like um like. mobile wallet like digital wallet which. is really similar to the stuff they put. out in that coronavirus relief bill the.

digital dollar and all the stuff that. they were like sort of putting in there. yeah what we mean is always in that. reading you know what was in that bill. what were they what are they doing what. are they building in there what are they. doing in that field well I considering. at the time they passed it after the. crisis was like you know exploding they. had that prepared well in advance right. but those kind of types of bills just. like the Patriot Act they just don't. they don't write them like in a couple. days and say here sign I mean raid on.

9/11 the Patriot Act was ready to go and. I think this bill is the same and like I. said all these people last year we're. like making these plans and they were. simulating pandemics to Crimson. contagion that was a nineteen federal. agency twelve states a bunch of private. companies and gaming out a pandemic in. the u.s. four times last year from. January to August and they had one day. on the last exercise or the last. simulation which was like lasted four. days the entire third day was the.

secretary of the Treasury and Finance. and I think that's where that bill came. from what is so they want everything. like China on your smart phone they want. everything you know they want to. everything basically I don't even want. people to have laptops they want all on. the phone why why not laptops are they. harder to trace oh yeah nobody knows I. guess I just want everyone's life on the. phone. pretty much where it's going they're. like phase all the stuff out and make it.

all the phone all the phone is crazy I. will send you this yeah yeah I don't. believe you're making all the stuff like. mass surveillance is awesome it's a. killer way to Train artificial. intelligence they say it's awesome that. in China people are using the police use. voice recognition technology to arrest. people before they commit crimes bleh. boy oh boy before they commit crimes and. this commission is supposed to give the. recommendations to the government about.

how from this national security point of. view how to maintain an advantage over. China and this is what they're saying. and someone had to do this Freedom of. Information Act request to get it and. this is like the only document produced. by that body they got and like I said. this is headed by the ex-google guy Eric. Schmidt but it's it has like two. different like the first CEO of in-q-tel. the CIA's venture capital arm right yeah. it has the current CEO of in-q-tel and. has the former Deputy Director of. National Intelligence I mean it is just.

it's spooks and it's Amazon it's. Microsoft Google it's Oracle Oracle by. the way is involved in the corona virus. response right now I'm like reopening. the economy with Trump I mean all of. these same players that are on this. Commission are also involved in this. reopening the economy business and what. do you think they're gonna do probably. what they were saying in private last. year you know what I mean. so this is really terrifying this is. like ending freedom whatever what little.

freedoms we have left getting rid of. them now why not why no private. ownership of vehicles what is what is. behind that is that the climate-related. they just don't wait no no they want. economy like autonomous self-driving. fleets of like ride-sharing cars they. say that like things like uber and all. this stuff that that's where this has to. go that individual car ownership is like. dangerous and that it needs to be fleet. ownership it's more efficient and all. this stuff I mean that's basically what.

about and they say if we don't do it in. China will be better at it than what in. the sport it to other countries in our. giant Silicon Valley tech. pennies will lose money if we don't put. a chip in your arm China is gonna put. chips and everybody's arm and they're. gonna make the money. exactly [ __ ] yeah yeah what about home. ownership is there anything in the. document about that no not specifically. it's redacted they didn't include all.

the slides so there's a lot on that. there's a lot in that document that they. left out Oh documents tons of meetings. and briefings and all this stuff and. this is the only thing they put out yeah. one little document trickled out and. this is these are all the guys from. Google so these are and this is what I. was talking to Joe about this is what I. say a lot of these people have pretty. [ __ ] scary ideas that are hidden from. public view and by the time you know. what they are they've already been been. been foisted on you and you yeah you.

know you can't get away from them Wow. that's why it's important to like bring. this out I will send this over I mean. like well hopefully you won't share it. before my reports up so I don't know. we'll wait you do your thing people this. will come out Sunday in two days and the. people will listen to us talk about it. everybody will read your article I mean. all of this is mind-blowing all of it is. crazy I you know I really feel like.

they're using the lockdown to do a bunch. of stuff they normally couldn't get away. with and I think that's why this ruling. about Epstein and the sweetheart be all. happened now - right right Elaina. Maxwell election off what are people. gonna do and then the corporate relief. the relief bill or whatever was a four. times bigger bailout for Wall Street. than 2008 and after the 2008 bailouts. there was occupied Wall Street there. were protests but everyone's on lockdown. what are they gonna do right the yellow. vests protest Express $200 check the LMS. in France ten weeks yeah yeah yeah.

that's done well the Hong Kong protests. are done right actually a lot of the. first countries to do de lockdowns. actually all have protest movements. going on it's like so Fran said the. yellow vests Spain had. the separatists in Catalonia Chile where. I live had a lot of protests that begin. last October that we're trying to get. the current President of Chile to resign. those went away and he the President of.

Chile say West yunpeng Guerra he. declared a constitution late like. suspended the Constitution for 90 days. and declared a lockdown before there was. a single death in Chile. he was like damn let's go mm-hmm did. they give a timeframe with any of these. things that they want to do in that. document that trickled out or we don't. know it doesn't it doesn't give a. timeframe but considering that you know. they're like we got to act now or China. will you know take it over it just. really shows that all this rhetoric. about like China bad America good that's.

not what they really think what they. really think is like we like the Chinese. model right it needs to be us doing it. and wrong sporting it and then we'll be. the global hegemony forever yeah we. don't do it and people gonna be led into. the slaughterhouse because we've created. this fake us first China and we're gonna. become China supposedly in order to beat. China great yeah well not great but you. know what it is it doesn't make any. sense I mean it's just the most. illogical thing ever and that's why I.

think it's so important because some. people will see like the lie and the. rhetoric you know yeah okay Oh China's a. huge threat to human rights and they're. hostile and they're going to expand well. which I'm sure they are I'm sure they. I'm sure they're not I'm sure they're. not doing anything great over in China. in terms of human rights oh but I like. the u.s. is being super good at critical. publicly yeah you know they're doing. like what what Clinton said I have a. public in a private position I mean. people yeah it's very true very.

disturbing stuff Whitney Webb as always. work you were up at night now we were up. before but now we're up more tell people. where they can support you financially. any which way you are so essential. you're the only person really doing this. kind of work where can people read your. stuff where can they find you how could. they give you money um well I. Petrey on in January as to help finance.

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yes your your tell them what your. patreon is where can they go you just. have to search for Whitney Webb but I. think it's Whitney Webb in PN 4 when I. used to work it at Christmas we'll put. it we'll put it in the description of. the YouTube and on the potty yeah well. we'll get in there yeah and you can. follow me on twitter under sport Whitney. Webb I'm also on mastodons and gab as. well which because I'm probably gonna. get kicked off of Twitter at some point. ok think do you think so uh I think the.

D platform is coming yeah actually last. I think it was October September um all. these social media companies met with. intelligence in the US and they were. like you guys have to protect public. discourse ahead of the 2020 election and. they were like yeah well basically like. the platform you before next November so. I think it's probably coming yeah Wow. I mean I'd say that would be the least. of our problems if even half of what. we've just heard comes to fruition. you know sorry all my written work you.

can read at the last American vagabond. calm that's also a YouTube channel um. the last American vagabond and I go on. there sometimes talk about my work and. it gets showcased there as well well. Whitney Webb you are really really. important you are what I would call an. essential worker I hope everybody goes. and supports you reads your stuff I mean. and what we'll always have Y on your. phenomenal thank you very much for.

spending time with us and good luck and. be safe out there. yeah thanks alright thank you bye bye.