Why Some Band Names Just Don't Work

Should we get straight on? >> Get into it. >> With our first question. We're going to. We don't muck about. >> No. >> That's the thing. Some podcasts they do. like 10 minutes of banter. Uh this No, we are absolutely straight in. >> Banter. >> will be integrated into the answer. >> Banter included. Exactly. Our first. question is from Niall Donnelly. Thank. you, Niall. Niall says, "Becky Hill got. booed off stage at Transmit Festival for. choosing to only play her new music and. no hits. Absolute textbook stuff. Is.

this ever acceptable at a festival? Do. you think audiences should get a say in. a musician's setlist? Two Two different. questions there. Which I have two. different answers to. >> okay. First of all, Becky Hill did say, "I'm not a jukebox." Bear with her. actually cuz I think it's quite. interesting what she does say. She said, "I wanted to bring a new and exclusive. exclusive 30-minute set of brand new. music to the festival crowd unannounced. And I thought it'd be a great. opportunity to play the new music I've. been working so hard on and that I. personally love so much." She then said. it was interesting to it was amazing to. have such a captive audience who wanted.

to hear the new stuff too. >> Captive audience. >> I I. I don't think they did necessarily, but. she said I said on stage how difficult. it is to transition into a new single, a. new music, and new albums. And all this. conversation online is exactly what I. meant. Okay, well she's lent into the. backlash. The Rest Is Entertainment is presented. by Octopus Energy. Now, flowers, Richard, are a very important part of. show business. >> is a reason we're talking about flowers. As always with Octopus Energy, they do.

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I have to say she did make one good. point, which is that she said that had. she been on the festival's billing, she. would have done her hits because, you. know, she her appearance was sort of. sold against. her. >> so yeah. >> And I actually artists, in my experience. and and comics as well, because they are. always aware of this sort of thing, normally quite up front in saying, "Oh, I'm trying out new material." You know, they. >> progress. >> This is a work in progress. I'm trying. out new stuff because they don't want. people to think, "Oh, I'm, you know,

turning up for the polished thing." And. they always try to advertise quite. closely to it. >> you're going to see comics, often they. will literally be reading from a book. and and after the it's a fun to watch a. work in progress. They go, "Oh, I'm. keeping that one." Or, "That didn't. work." Or, "What do you think?" It's. it's quite a fun thing and you they. charge less for a work in progress and. it's actually quite an interesting thing. to see. It's a different from music, I. think, cuz a joke is very immediate. >> but she wasn't on the bill and so she. anyway, there were lots of other artists. but that was her first festival. I do. think, obviously, the counterpoint to. that is it depends to what degree you.

are in the audience service business. And by the way, if you are any kind of. artist, you are because if the audience. doesn't get enough what they want, for. obvious reasons, they will stop showing. up. It was interesting, do you remember. when we when we did our interview with. Paul McCartney? He was very funny about. this. He said, "You know, I do some of. my new stuff, but I will say to the. crowd, you know, I know how you already feel about this. because if I do Hey Jude, it's just like. a sea of phone lights. And if I do. something new, it's a black tunnel. And. >> And he's Sir Paul McCartney. >> He's Sir Paul McCartney. It's. historically always happened. Obviously,

Bob Dylan went electric and people. didn't like it. Metallica, they made. they changed direction and people don't. like it. Another of the interesting stories that. I think is out at the moment, sort of to. do this, is like, are you serving the. audience? Are you whatever? Is that um. it some stuff that came out last week. about Lily Allen is touring West End. Girl, her album, which is sort of about. her split from David Harbour, and you. know, it is a sort of perfect narrative. album, and she has decided to I mean, it. lasts up 45 odd minutes, this, and it's. advertised that way. It says Lily Allen.

performs West End Girl. Nonetheless, there have been complaints. There's a. sort of string trio who are kind of the. warm-up act because they do some of her. hits in classical music form before she. comes on. She does But you're done in an. hour. >> Amazing. I mean. >> She doesn't She doesn't. >> love that? >> I know. Exactly. Why do people complain. about. >> dream. >> I know. And then there's no audience. chat. And some people are like, "Oh my. god, you did you know, you didn't speak. to the audience at all." But. she sees it. She says it's my artistic. choice not to talk to the audience.

She's sort of doing it almost as a play. itself, you know. >> I'm just playing the album from note one. to note. >> And as we know, that is a story of the. breakdown of the marriage and that you. know, and it is a story. And she says, "I think it helps with the storytelling. not to do that and you know, to have a. fourth wall or whatever." It is called. Lily Allen performs West End Girl. It's. not called Lily Allen goes on tour. Actually, that. >> thing of. People A lot of people don't call their. tours. >> They don't call their tours that. But But you know, it doesn't just say. Lily Allen. It does say that very, very. clearly. And as I say, that goes back to.

that thing of. artists generally prefer to advertise. what they know they are delivering. Um. but taking a single album on tour even. has become more of a thing that people. do. So, in terms of like. is it ever acceptable at a festival? I. actually think her rationale for it was. fine. There's a load of other stuff. you're going to see. She's got to try. new material somewhere. It is perhaps a. bit of a risk at a festival where people. are I probably it's better within it. within a gig. In terms of whether. audience audiences do get a say in a. musician's setlist. long-term because they just stop turning.

up. So. >> Yes. >> Or they go absolutely crazy at the end. of you know there's every band has got. obviously the big hits but then they've. all got album tracks which they play a. couple of times at gigs and people go. crazy for and they become fan favorites. and they but they become staples in. their in their setlist. Every band knows. which songs people. >> Yeah. It and it's it's a cliche Everyone. knows the cliche of don't do the new. stuff. Everyone knows all this stuff, okay? So they have but they have So I. think in general artists are quite. clever and careful as to what they do.

and where that you know what. >> They hammer They will hammer They will. hammer a new song between If Pulp have. got a new song, you know it's going to. be just before Common People. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> Because then it gets a little of the of. of of the halo of that I I wasn't aware. she wasn't on the actual bill. So I. think that is actually fair enough. She's going along, she wants to do. something new and something interesting. But yeah, you do it's it's it's really. really tricky. If you are playing a gig. for yourself, then 100% do exactly what. you want because fans have paid money to. go and see you. So they are your fans. If you're at a festival, I think you.

know no no one's paying 150 quid to come. and see. you. And so you you you sort of do have. to break out the hits. You have to sort. of know what you're. >> Steep learning curve. >> Therefore, yeah. I was think Suede I was. think are very interesting with this. because every you know they they just. released a whole series of albums in the. last 10 years which are among their best. work. And they have been so clever about. how they've introduced those songs into. their old setlist. And they still play. the old songs but you go to a Suede gig.

now. and the songs from the last 5 years. people go absolutely crazy for. But you. know they don't just go out and just. play all new songs. They absolutely have. worked out how to weave them together. And again, when people have come to see. them personally, you can see them at a. festival, it's different. But they did a. thing where they'd play, you know, whole albums. I think they went through. their their whole career at the ICA, and. they would do that. But then they'd come. back after an interval and just play. every hit as well. You know, that it's. like that's the that's the gig, you. know? Most bands, I think, God, you're lucky.

to have hits. >> Yeah. >> I mean, God, you're lucky to have hits. And and I know it must be frustrating. for bands to have to play this the same. song. time and again. I was seeing Liam. Gallagher talking about having to play. "Wonderwall." And I mean, that really I. could live without the singing that. every, you know, night of my life for 10. years. But it's, you know, it's the gig, right? That's why they. give you all that money. Okay, a. question from Alex Davies. Your item on. bad movie names reminded me of one of my. obsessions, bands that have a name that. do not fit their music. I always thought.

Savage Garden wrote decent enough pop. songs, citation needed, but there was. nothing savage about their music. What. are your top misfiring band names? >> I think. No. Did it come from the Vampire. Chronicles by Anne Rice, Savage Garden? I think that's where that band name came. from. There are a load of these, actually, and some of them are The more. you think about it, I was trying to. think about these, and then I was. thinking, yeah, I mean, Destiny's Child. Is that That just sounds like some. really crap pseudo. prog rock nonsense. It's a bit like It. sounds a bit stone hengy, does Spinal.

Tap. >> romantic novel. >> Yeah, yeah, it doesn't Yeah, it doesn't. sound like what it There's a point where. you can just get into thinking about it. too hard. Red Hot Chili Peppers. I feel. with that I'm getting some sort of Latin. jazz. I think they probably wear suits. They're definitely not Anthony Kiedis. with his top off and hair down to his. waist and a. load of tattoos. >> It is extraordinary how names become. synonymous with the the groups, and you. forget. >> And then you forget how like But if you. first heard that, I'd be thinking I'm. hearing some kind of jazz funk, maybe.

I'm hearing I don't know what I'm. hearing. Primal Scream. There's a lot of names. that sound metal, but aren't. >> Yes, Primal Primal Scream is is a great. name for a Swedish metal band. >> 10,000 maniacs? >> Yes. >> [laughter]. >> You I mean. >> Death Cab for Cutie. I mean what that. again that is. >> There's funny ones like Ben Folds Five. when there were three of them. That's. quite good. >> Come on guys. >> But um yeah, 10,000 maniacs. >> [laughter]. >> The Grateful Dead though again you know. it doesn't sound. >> Well that I don't mind I can sort of see. that cuz it's yeah. >> I'm just saying that it it's slightly.

you could imagine it was something. different. >> Oasis. Yeah, it's a terrible name for a band. The well two names which are very. similar. >> Yeah, that is a terrible name for a. band. >> They're both names for like soft jazz. kind of 1974. kind of lounge bar bands. Oasis, Nirvana. >> Yeah, they they could just be in they. could just be serving the lighthouse. families. >> I I think there was I think there was a. sort of lighthouse family type I think. there was a band in Nirvana I think may. maybe a slightly prog rocky band but.

yeah you could definitely oh ladies and. gentlemen we're Nirvana we're going to. be entertaining you this evening just. sit back relax enjoy your meal and enjoy. some smooth jazz stylings. Yeah. Ladies and ladies and gentlemen hello. we're Oasis I am John this is Penny we. are going to be entertaining you this. evening. We're going to start. with. couple people you may have heard of Mr. Elton John and Ms. Kiki Dee. That's Oasis right? >> God you're so right. And it passes away. I mean sometimes they do it on purpose I.

guess like Alice Cooper they did that on. purpose. >> Yeah. >> Because they thought this what if we. were you know we we created the kind of. opposite persona to who we are. Again The Killers I mean there's a lot. that sound metal but aren't. >> I don't mind The Killers. They that comes from a a New Order video. doesn't it? The Killers. >> Cab for Cutie comes from an another song. and it but nonetheless it just doesn't. feel like. >> I also the worst I mean again it sort of. suits their music but. the least my least favorite band names.

is a and the Blowfish and Toad the Wet. Sprocket. Both of those you can come on, guys. Come on. There was a a band who. were around when would this have been? Um the early 2000s sort of a I think. they're New York uh quite punky and they. were genuinely sort of in the enemy and. all these things. They were called. Cerebral Ballzy. You think that's And they were like a. proper you know have been reviewed, you. know, being kind of like selling albums. and that's terrible. I I honestly think. the worst name in the history of.

recorded music I think. >> Wow, I can't wait for this. >> But I think it is. >> Yeah. >> I think it is. But we But you don't. think it's terrible. That's better Oh, that's Oh, but that's that's in a. different You just think come on, guys. That's But in terms of a band where you. think, okay, I see why you That's. acceptable you you chose that name. It's. The Beatles. >> Yeah, it's. >> I mean I mean as as as a pun it's. terrible. And even as not as a pun you think, oh, so you're called the like you're named. after the in the the insect the a. beetle. But you got the more than one beetle.

But But you b e a t. I mean that the. whole thing is absolutely unacceptable. in every way and if they weren't so. brilliant, we would they would be called. out on it almost daily. >> They really had to transcend their name. And you know, I think they've done a. bloody good job, haven't they? >> You never think about it. You never go, oh, hold on a minute. >> Yeah. They're you just don't think. about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, Beatles. Oh, yeah. >> Either it sounds metal or you just don't. think about it, but it's terrible. >> But it doesn't If they were called The. Stag Beetles or The Black Widows or.

something, but just The Beatles. >> be called The Black Widows. That's. metal. That's That's got the other. problem. That's got both problems. Bad. name and sounds metal. >> It's only just occurred to me that I. wonder if it's in response to The. Crickets. >> Ah. >> Ah. I just [clears throat] thought that. then cuz I was thinking of other insect. band names. >> It's It's It's so. a name from the past before them and. rather than the kind of revolution that. they. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's so unrevolutionary as a name. It's. literally like from the decade before. >> And by the way, The Crickets is a. terrible name.

>> [laughter]. >> I mean I mean Buddy Holly I mean you. could call your band anything. Buddy Holly and the Ivies. Buddy Holly and the Crick I mean what. are they Oh, yeah, because it's like. it's like the annoying chirpy noise. Name yourself after something that. sounds good. Call yourself Buddy Holly. and the Jumbo Jets. Yeah, it's something. with a bit of oomph to it. >> Yeah. >> The Crickets and then the The Beatles. heard that and goes, "Yes, we need to do that, but we need also. need to put a pun in it as well.". Yeah, come on, guys. Good question. >> Very good question. I think I've thought. for a long time on that one. Okay, shall.

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seems shows are released more evenly. through the year. Is this due to viewing. habits changing?". >> Maybe you're right. Uh he and then maybe. he's talking about the time which was. before streaming when it was very, very. different. But you are definitely right. that streaming originals debut. throughout the year. In the old days, the time you're maybe talking about, it. was all to do with advertising buying. And in the old days, the networks cared. most about advertiser money. So, they. wanted to have um big audiences at the. times that they could predict. So, for. September and October, as you say, the.

autumn, for big um drama and comedy. series, things they'd spend a lot of. money on. >> And entertainment. >> And yeah, but you had these things. annually like clockwork. You know, now. you've got these waits between seasons, all sorts of things. You know, you had. these huge competitions like who had one. Thursday night, what you schedule things. against, you know, what It was It all. mattered, and it mattered because of. advertising and summer particularly in. the US used to be a complete repeat. wasteland. Anyway, as you say, everything has changed. There are some. things that they still do for awards. reasons because that is a sort of.

recency bias it when they're looking for. awards things but so it's not that. release dates have become irrelevant it. is just that they are now used for. different things. Primarily, the. platforms want subscribers. They want. fourth season they want they want to. acquire new ones. They want to retain. the ones they have. They want to win. awards and they want to avoid. competition and that is quite important. when you think of people sort of the. churn of subscriptions where people. thinking I'll sign up for the show but. not so they premiere [snorts] new. seasons of shows when they want big sign. ups and that the subscribers strategy.

basically dictates all of this now. So. you might put it on at a time of slow. subscriber growth and all those things. that I used to say that summer's just. not a wasteland anymore. Summer's become. obviously summer's very big as well with. reality and things like that. There are. certain shows that feel more summer for. whatever reason and certain kind of. expensive dramas that feel more January. for whatever reason but you might also. do it just before you're going to do a. price increase but they they really. worry about churn. I actually was trying. to think back as to how some we'll have. to go with Netflix because obviously.

they're the sort of global market. leader. If you think of Netflix over the. last year so June 2025 they had Squid. Game season 3, August Wednesday season 2. part 1. Again, these staggered drops are. now a big part of it as you can see. September Wednesday part 2 again. staggered release. October they had Love. is Blind, Selling Sunset and Nobody. Wants This Too. November and December all those Stranger. Things finale season drops which were. enormous and everything got out of the. way for that basically. January you've.

got Bridgerton, the Harlan Coben that. the things that you just always going to. be your January bankers. February you've. got a second Bridgerton drop. March. you've got your big franchise. series and you've got April you might. have returning comedy cuz you might be. thinking about Emmys and things like. that. So, there's if you look at it, there is a reason for all of it. Every. single, not just every quarter needs to. be a attractive to to subscribers, but. every month needs to be. attractive. And these tentpole releases. have got to keep you there all the way. through so you think, "Well, I won't. cancel cuz hang on a second." And this.

staggered release thing has become being. bigger and bigger, as we say, the thing. they disrupted, they have become. >> But it is But it is it it's fascinating. because, as you say, in the olden days. of TV, if you made a TV series and they. said they're putting out in August, you. would just be. >> All right. Okay. >> They. >> You hate it. >> hate it so much that they were willing. to just burn it off. >> Yeah. >> Uh and if you do a series and they. they're saying, "We're going to We're. going to put it in the third week of. September." You'd be like, "Yes, that's. great." Or we're going to put it in. January. Those those are the two Those.

were the two times where you think, "Oh, you love You love this series." I mean, in the case of House of Cards, it had to. go in March, and that's not a problem. >> We still feel that that first those. first week of January is now the biggest. >> Yeah. >> the schedule of the year. >> Yeah. >> And all the yeah, and all the. dramas like Broadchurch and Happy Valley. and Poldark and yeah, exactly. Trailers, all the stuff. ITV have massive things. >> But my god, you know, January, August, you know, if you you you can look at the. BBC schedules now and it's it's all. repeats. And and it has been for many, many, many years, by the way. They You. know, you you tend to because fewer.

people watch television during the. summer. It's one of the statistical. things where people go, "Yeah, but if. they put good shows on, then fewer. people wouldn't watch." You go, "No.". >> No. >> Absolutely. >> Reality, you can get them in the summer. You can. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you you can you. cannot, you know, the it is light. longer, some you know, people are away. It is you will just get fewer people. watching. I I always think I always. think the most instructive thing to know. is if you've got something like House of. Cards, which is on every day, and during the summer Michael Sheen's. House of Cards. Michael Sheen's Richard.

doesn't House of Cards. It's on every day. When the clocks go. back in the winter, you will immediately. add 400,000 viewers. The next Monday, you'll have 400,000. more viewers than you had the You just. will because the people are we're. creatures of habit and the the darkness. affects us and our you know. it is absolutely. >> I'm just imagining a caveman House of. Games now on on the wall, you know, yeah, anyway carry on. >> good idea. Yeah, yeah. Um and yeah, it's so it's it is.

September, October, you will in terms of. terrestrial TV, you'll always be getting. more viewers and then in the summer you. will get fewer viewers. It's like you. remember when. can God, this is going back. When when. they do like replacements for the. Saturday morning TV shows so instead of. Swap Shop or Saturday Superstore or. Going Live, it'll be like the summer. replacement and everyone will be like, "Oh God." But because people just. wouldn't watch it. Being a peop- people. you get. TV companies get the will get the. overnight so all the time they would.

just see that viewing would drop off a. cliff. >> But you can't do that for a streamer. So. they've got to find ways of every single. month has to be attractive. You can. never quite cut the cord. >> Yeah, exactly that. >> That's what what called casting is. Okay, wrong name, wrong analogy. You can. [laughter] never can never just quite, you know, be part of the turn. >> And yes, rereading Tim I may not ask. question, you're absolutely right. He's. talking about how much of streaming. platforms change when major series are. released because in the old days he's. talking about terrestrial TV. I thought. Tim doesn't sound like a the name of. someone in his late teens.

I'm not sure there are late teen Tims. out there, but Tim sounds a solidly kind. of. >> He's got a sense of history. >> Yeah. >> A question relevant to your interests. from Hannah Spiers, Richard, who says, "I watched Serena Williams's comeback. match at Wimbledon and felt suitably. underwhelmed. It had such a massive. build-up for a really anticlimactic end. I know you've talked before about best. ever comebacks, but what about worst?". >> I feel for Serena. I thought she did. great. And I thought. >> You were there, right? >> there, yeah. I was watching it actually.

>> Which was in the royal box? >> With Greg James. >> With Greg James. >> Who like mere days later is at Taylor. Swift's wedding. >> Yeah, and kept it. On the down low. >> Yeah. We talked about a lot. We did not. talk about Taylor Swift's wedding. I. will say that. His mom trod on my foot, and she was very very good about it. Um. and she was very. >> were, too. >> And she was very She said, "What Do you. know what my I mean, you can tread on my. feet all day long. I'm not going to feel. it. The The end of my foot is so far. away from the I mean, it. it's She was absolutely delightful." I.

have to say, again, she said nothing. about Taylor Swift, either. Perhaps she. didn't know. Perhaps it was a surprise. to her. Listen, we will find out. >> inch you back towards Serena Williams? >> Serena Williams. Yes, so worst ever. Well, I I'm going to give a very. specific example of it, which is which. is we were making a documentary. about E17 after Take That had their. unbelievable comeback. E17 were all. going to have an unbelievable comeback, too, cuz they had the songs. >> Yeah. >> They did have the songs. So, we were. making this documentary about them, just. following them around, just relaunching. themselves, starting to do gigs.

Uh and halfway through the documentary, Brian Harvey and Tony Mortimer had a. fist fight. Uh and the documentary ended, and their. comeback ended, and so nobody made any. money. And the the two I really felt for. were were Terry and John, who were the. other two members of E17, who you. watched some of the Russia We did. actually put this the show out in the. end, but you you you watched those two. boys who who. didn't have an awful lot of money and. were so lovely. >> Oh. >> And they just said, "Oh, great. Brian. and Tony again have messed this up for.

us. So, take that, and you know.". >> you could coax them back into sort of. just, you know, >> Yeah. I know. >> lads on the road, as it were. >> Well, I don't I don't think they've got. the Gary Barlow figure who would just. drive things through like a like a the. Barlow-McCartney type figure. >> Statesman. >> Yeah, the statesman. >> They lacked a statesman, didn't they, E17? >> I think sadly they they they they lacked. a Clement Attlee figure at the heart of. E17. >> Bismarckian intelligence. >> Yeah. So, but if you think about it, I. mean, that could have been huge that. could have been huge, right? And they. could still be going now. You know, that.

you know, they could absolutely be on. that nostalgia circuit and headlining on. that nostalgia circuit cuz. like a huge amount of big hit songs, a. huge amount of proper bangers, huge. Christmas song. I mean they they could. be going forever and ever and ever. But. yeah, they were for various personnel. reasons. they were not. That seems a shame to me. So, that's my worst ever comeback. >> believe they're not going to get it. together now and now they see the. circuit. >> Yeah, but I mean they're not out there.

>> No. >> You know, by the way, I thought it was. lovely Serena Williams tried to come. You know, she was her kids are there. She just wanted to. you know, she wanted to show them what. she got. >> Oh, yeah, it's fine. >> She had a 120 mile an hour serve. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Okay, you're 44. That's pretty good. Yeah. Uh but yeah, there it is. But yeah, I'm. the big story. There was great James not. telling any of us. that uh. he was going to tell us he was wedding. Another big story I'll tell you who was. lovely. >> Who? >> Jamie Cullum. >> Oh. >> Oh my god, what a nice guy. Anyway, that's that's absolutely by the by cuz.

no one asked. >> Wow, that is the all the gossip you can. hear from the royal box. >> was there with his bassist Loz, who was. also absolutely delightful. Yeah. >> Very nice to hear this. >> Fans of the pod. >> [laughter]. >> Hi guys. >> Yeah. >> Okay, well, I think that wraps us up for. today. >> Yeah, I think so with that E17. bombshell. >> Yeah, with that bombshell we will be. back on Tuesday with another episode. And by the way, also now out your World. Cup of British Bands. >> Yes. I know some people have heard it. already and it is.

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