Why Kylie, Sherlock Holmes and Venezuela Fury Are All Suddenly Everywhere

We're gonna start with the Kylie. documentary. >> Oh, I love the Kylie documentary. >> Yes, I know you love the Kylie. documentary. And Miranda Reynolds and. and various others actually want to. know. Watching the Kylie Netflix. documentary, one of the most striking. things is all the incredible use of. archive footage. It made me wonder who's. capturing all of that material at the. time and who was thinking about its. future value. Is there a now a more. conscious effort to preserve those. moments properly knowing they could. become hugely valuable years later? >> It's very true actually. There's amazing. archive in that. And I'm always amazed. sometimes when you watch stuff from that.

kind of era and there's lots of archive. because it wasn't an era where we were. going around with mobile phones and. filming everything. It was the last era. when we weren't doing that. And I think. um any filmmaker who stumbles across. that's why you can do a three-parter. about Kylie because you discover that. that exists. If you're as Kapardia or. someone your whole job is you take stuff. that was on television or on film and. you put all that together. But if you. can find a uh a subject who has unseen. personal footage, that makes for an. incredible documentary cuz you really. see a human side of that.

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also feel. >> We talked to Michael Hart, who's the. director and editor of this. Congratulations, Michael. brilliant job. and thank you for replying as well. And. he said a lot of it, a lot of the. footage you see on that was taken by. Kaid's brother Brendan. There's lots of. it as well that Kylie's done herself and. there's stuff with, you know, Kaid and. Jason on holidays. It's really kind of. up close and personal stuff. But he said. yes, they they were filming it. I think. they were filming it in sort of the same. way that lots of families just film. things. >> Yeah, it was family it's family home.

movies as it were. >> Yeah. And I'm sure. >> now everything is so cynically. preserved, but it There was an innocence. then but I don't think you're doing it. >> I think that's right. I'm absolutely. certain that bit of them was was were. thinking something extraordinary is. happening in our family. Something. extraordinary is happening to our. sister. It would be nice to document. this but I think not so we could do a. documentary on Netflix in 20 years time. Adam Carter says that the most use. footage stops becoming useful after. after the once the smartphone comes. along because people are so aware aware.

of being filmed and they're performing. and you don't have the sense that you're. just being given a backstage glimpse. It's much more like it's a performance. >> But funny enough, lots and lots of bands. have lots of footage of themselves be I. think because it's quite boring being in. a band and if you're a musician usually. you have a slightly technical bent as. well. So there's usually somebody I you. know Suede for years and there was a. very good Suede documentary made by Mike. Christie which is on on Sky and Simon. the drummer had just filmed everything. for years and years and years and you.

know I think lots of bands have to pass. the time. >> because there's a lot of waiting. Well, I think also, you know, you know, you. know, you're living through sort of a. golden era with friends and it's and. you're doing something that you never. imagined you would be doing and it's. sort of extraordinary and you want to. document that. And so long as it's one. person in your band or in your entourage. or in your crew who is doing that, then. that footage exists. But I do think I. Adam Curtis's worries aside, I mean, the. documentaries they're going to be making. in 15 years time about stuff that's.

happening now, I mean, the footage is. going to be insane. just just in terms. of but yeah maybe it's all it's all kind. of. >> maybe it's all been put out there that's. the thing people are making a. documentary ordinary people who are not. remotely famous make documentaries about. their lives every single day and put it. on TikTok or shorts or whatever it is. >> I've obviously have a business idea. which is you know if you go to a school. nativity play that a school nativity. play is probably the most covered. theatrical production in the whole of. history because you've essentially got.

an ISO camera on every single performer. including in the course, including every. single one of the sheep. Every single. action, everyone's coverage is done. >> is being covered by an individual. camera. So, you just get all that. footage together and you imagine the. edit of a of a nativity play. Every. single reaction shot you want is already. there. No retakes. You've got. everything. Have you got Shepherd 7 uh. just at the end of this line? Oh, yeah. I've got Shepherd 7. Shepherd 7's dad. very very high production values company. where everyone pulls their footage and.

then you create. >> a super cut of uh yeah of children's. nativity place. It feels like it feel. that feels like a multi-billion dollar. uh industry. >> This is like your one about removing. tattoos. Yes. I mean you you would be. very diversified if you pursued all. these plans. I was my thing about. removing tattoos that that would make a. lot of money if you've developed a thing. to faultlessly and remove tattoos. extremely rich. But that feels like. something I couldn't do because I would. have to work out how to do that. I. thought. >> I'd love to see you in the gallery on. safety and bring up the shepherd.

>> Yes, >> I I would actually just like to watch. that. >> But thank you so much uh Michael Hart. I. know we've recommended the Kylie. documentary before, but if you haven't. seen it, really really is terrific. stuff. But yeah, the archive stuff, it. really really makes it cuz it feels very. real and personal. Funny enough, Michael. Hart is saying that Kylie had seen. almost none of the footage before the. final edit because again, like lots of. stuff we film, we don't watch back if. you know, especially if we're sort of on. a tour and people are filming and. filming. So, it was the first time she'd. seen a lot of that footage. The Paul.

McCartney Man on the run documentary. about his time with um Wings or with. Linda and the beautiful place up in. Scotland. So, we're watching this thing. and it's beautiful, but loads and loads. of home video stuff. Again, there's. always someone hanging around a vand. who's filming stuff, but so many people. were sort of just turning and watching. Paul watching because he's watching, you. know, himself and, you know, that's I. love all those documentaries now always. do the uh they show people the footage. of them at the time and watch their. reactions.

>> I love all that. But, uh, I can't. remember where I was going with that, but uh, that's the end of that question. Thank you so much, Miranda. Chloe Wright. has a question for you, Marina. I know. you've had prep time on this cuz I. thought you would absolutely love it. Chloe says, "After the success of the. BBC's The Other Bennett Sister, what. overlooked character from a classic. novel would you like to see get their. own show next?" That Chloe is a great. question. >> It's a brilliant question and I obsessed. about it to the point where I had to. stop myself obsessing about it. >> because the other Bennett sister. essentially takes a very very minor. character. >> Mary Bennett, she one the the sort of.

least developed of all the Bennett. sisters in Pride and Prejudice. >> and and imagines a whole universe for. her. We've recommended this show before, but it's brilliant. It's on eye player. and they're actually saying, "Oh, there's lots of people that we can do.". They are actually saying, the producers. of that Bad Wolf are saying, "There's. lots of other people that we can sort of. draw out of the shadows of these books.". And obviously, famously, this has been. done with lots of, you know, like Rose. and Grants and Gilden Stern are dead. There's so many Shakespearean ones you. could do. I was trying to think what. other ones have I actually read that. were really obviously the wide sassy, Gene Reese's novel about Mrs. Rochester,

you know, like her sort of prequel to um. Jire and the Flashman novels. I mean, Flashman is in Tom Brown school days, he. the George McDonald Fraser um Flashman. books. Flashman is the bully. And you. know that line that people say, "Oh, all. villains are just victims whose stories. haven't yet been told." Flashman becomes. the hero and he has these amazing. swashbuckling adventures. But thinking. of ones that sort of haven't been done, I did a top three. Don't know what I'm. now doing. You see, you've broken me.

>> Oh, here we go. Everyone, literally, everyone's got their fingers crossed. here. >> Not at number three. >> There we go. That's a pleasant surprise. >> I thought although she's not that minor, but I there's something about her that's. brilliant. In um a portrait of a lady, a. Henry James novel, Isabelle Archer's. friend Henrietta Stackpool, who's. actually sort of amazing because it's. whatever it is. It's the late 1800s and. she is an example of the new woman. She. is a reporter for the New York. interviewer and she's so sort of modern. and she's got great rep art. I would. like to hear more from Henrieta.

Sackpool, I have to say. But she's not a. tiny part. So I'm thinking like okay. these people who have really small parts. I thought one someone I've always really. been fascinated by in the great Gatsby. is allies and he he we see him so little. he Nick Caro meets him in the library at. one of Gatsby's party and he's parties. and he's the one who says look at this. whole library he went to trouble getting. all these books but actually they. haven't been cut the pages haven't been. cut so he and so he sees things and in. some way he's he's like a sort of analog.

for Nick Harowway he's also the only. other person who goes to the funeral and. I just find him fascinating. You don't. know much about him. >> but he's he could see through it all as. well and maybe because actually Nick. Carowway is much more involved as you. know how that character is. you're not. quite sure how complicit is he is in. lots of these things allies I think. would be interesting but then because I. recently reread the secret history. because I wanted to listen to the book. club our fellow uh gold hanger podcast. the book club's episode on it which was.

brilliant and I reread it and I thought. there is a character in that which you. will probably remember she's called Judy. Puy she's one she's she's kind of. maddening and very annoying she's also. Californian but she's sort of like a. comic foil really in some ways. She's a. costume design major. I roll. Okay. But. actually there's a really interesting. sidebar on that which I'm going to get. to in a second because there was a. costume there was only one costume. design major at Bennington when Donna. Tart went there and she was someone.

called Michelle Matlin. I don't think. she's anyway. She ended up being the. costume designer on the succession. No. >> And so many people have said I'm so. sorry this is barely disguised at all. Judy Py is her. Whatever. Who knows? But. I'd forgotten at the end of the secret. history as an epilogue about what. happens to some of these genuinely very. minor characters and Judy Puy go becomes. an aerobics instructor. Okay. So I'm. like okay. So I was thinking okay I've. got to create a character here that I. want to I it's the '9s. Yeah. She's an. aerobics queen in LA. Hopefully she.

hasn't given up all her bad habits i.e. major cocaine use. I sort of see Judy. Puy solving crime. She's cuz she's funny. and I think she by the way I think she'd. have worked it out in the secret. history. I think she'd have worked it. out giving her a bit more time and a. tiny bit more proximity. There's. something soant about her and I would. see her solving crimes in a story of the. week thing kind because her idiotic. monologues are very funny and but I. actually she is sharp and observant in. other ways and I sort of feel like she.

could be like a Zelig type or Forest. Gump type solver through the world. Yeah, the moves through the world. somehow actually her presence does. resolve the crime and then she's like, "Oh, yeah, sure." Yeah, sure. >> And the fact that she's a costume. designer maybe very good disguises. >> She's an aerobic she's an aerobics. instructor. So, I would be like, but she. was a costume design major. >> She was, but she becomes an aerobics. instructor. And what I like the skills. >> Yeah. But if it's in the '9s, she's. going to be at that interface of the. kind of wellness culture, also lots of. elicit activity in LA. She could explore.

a particular type of that on. underground. And I just think it would. be I think it would be funny. And so. that's I would that's my show for Judy. Puy. It doesn't have to be a show. It. could be a novel, but I I slightly see. it as a story of the week detective. show. >> If Donna Tart is listening or if someone. draws this to her attention, let's talk. >> Yeah. I I can't even imagine the height. of her eye roll if she but however. that's Judy Pooie is a cult character. I. promise you people are obsessed with. Judy Pooy. >> The least Donna could do is give you a. meeting. >> Yeah. just like, you know, I'd like to.

hear I'd like to hear a no. >> My only rule in novels is when I my. favorite thing about writing novels is. bringing new characters in. It's like. I'm not interested in ciphers or. anything like that. Then they're never. there to move the plot along. They're. like, "Oh, who who would be funny to. move in?" And I always always go, "Could. you write a novel about this character?". Even if they got four lines, you think I. think there's in one of the books they. say if you followed these two people. home, what would that story be? And I. always think that what would the story. be? What would the novel be with these. characters in it? Uh, and that's I. always think is a good writing tip as. well. >> That's a very good That's a very good.

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right. We're excited, too. See you soon. Welcome back, everybody. We're now in. the realms of Sherlock Holmes. adaptations. Vicram Khan has a question. Anola Holmes 3 is on its way. Ra's going. to be Sherlock in a Sky adaptation next. year. And I've just seen that a new Mori. Arti series is in the works. Yes. This. begs the question, is Sherlock the most. played character in film history? And. why has he endured so long? >> Why has he enjoyed? I mean, we we know. why there's so many adaptations, and.

that's cuz he's out of copyright, so. anyone can do him. He He's got that. Well, he's got that sort of Judy Puy. thing, funnily enough, which is if you. have It's funny. I was talking to. someone, you know, the the thing with. Sherlock is is you have to use him quite. sparingly because he's so good. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> you know, he he absolutely the problem. with someone he's so brilliant he can. solve things immediately. So if you read. those Sherlock Holmes book a lot of the. time is how do we keep Sherlock out of. the way? >> Yes. >> So Sherlock is often you know in a in a. some sort of you know drug induced.

stuper or you know he's off in on the. continent having to sort of track. someone else down because the second he. puts his mind to a case that case gets. solved. But that aside, having someone. who is brilliant but troubled and. putting them at heart of a crime drama. is something that every sort of crime. writer enjoys doing, which is what so. every everyone loves to um get their. hands on Sherlock Holmes. They can do. different versions of him because again, he's slightly absent on the page, which. means you can you can really color him.

in if you're if you're if you're a. filmmaker. We did a little bit of. research and Sherlock Holmes is not the. most played character in movies. I've. got a top 10. Oh, yes. For you, right, number seven, we've got. >> no number 10, Frankenstein. Okay. Yeah, >> Frankenstein. Young Frankenstein. Bride. of Frankenstein. I could go on. Uh, number nine, young guy. May have heard. of him. Robin Hood. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Number eight, Napoleon. >> Right. This is going to be like the M. mob executive producers list, isn't it? No chicks on this. By the way, I should.

say this. These these these are not all. fictional, by the way. So, Napoleon did. exist. He's just he's just been played a. lot. And again, he's out of copyright, as we all will be one day. Uh, >> tell me some more great guys. >> Well, I was going to say, well, listen. So, he's real. Number seven, we go. fictional again. James Bond. >> He's real. >> Jimmy Bond. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Number six, Sherlock Holmes. So, he's the sixth most portrayed character. on screen. We got a top five. People are. thinking, who's in this top five? Holmes.

is six. Number five, Father Christmas. So again, real. We have a real. character. A real man from history. >> Number four. We are real again. Abraham. Lincoln. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I mean, I remember Lincoln. >> Yeah. >> I guess I've seen him. >> In their country though, he'll he'll. never in their country. >> In their country, he'll never be off. >> Yeah. Which is America. Top three. I've. got a new game show. Real or not real. Number three, the devil. >> Okay. >> It's been portrayed an awful lot.

>> Yeah. Number two, listen, you can guess. who number one is. If the devil is. number three, I love that there's. someone in between those two. And number. two is Dracula. >> Yeah. >> So, the devil is number three. Dracula. is number two. And number one, we're. counting them as one person, which I. mean, >> I don't believe it's theologically. controversial, but. >> yeah. Uh God/Jesus, >> they're all part of the God. The Holy. Spirit is there, but it's hard to put on. screen. >> Yeah, exactly. The Holy Trinity. Yeah. Essentially, are uh are and is number. one. Uh, so yeah, Sherlock Holmes only.

number six behind Father Christmas. >> Gosh, I'm surprised Lincoln's in there. I'm thrilled for Dracula. Welld. deserved. >> Do you know what? >> I wonder if anyone has done just reading. through that list if anyone has done. Father Christmas Sol. >> I wonder if any because he's got a all. the skills for it. >> Please don't give another one of your. great Netflix holiday movie ideas away. live on air, but that is a good one. >> Father Christmas Solving Crime. Yeah. So, Santa Claus. I'll think of a pun. >> Yeah. I was thinking, why haven't we got.

that yet? But we will do. >> Yeah. Something about a sleigh. >> or elves. >> There'll be something. Yeah, that feels. like a hit. >> Yeah, >> because he can go around the world. He. can get into places like everyone. welcomes him. And if someone doesn't. welcome him, >> you know they're evil. >> Yeah. >> The amazing Family Guy. episode with uh Stewie and Brian and. Father Christmas is one one of the great. works of any art form in any century, I. would say. But yeah, Father Christmas. Solving Crime. There we go. Thank you.

for the question, Vicram. We've only got. we got two series out of the last two. questions. We got the Judy Puvie. mysteries. Uh, and we got Father. Christmas Solving Crime. >> Yeah, I like both of them. I But I I can. actually see both of them happening. >> Talking of some of the greatest. characters in the history of the world. Marina, a question for you from Aruba. Rage. >> Oh my god, that's the best name ever. >> That's a good name. Suddenly, we got. three series. Yeah, >> cuz whoever Aruba Rage is, we're writing. a character. Aruba asks. >> again this uh listen. Yeah. Oh, hold on.

Oh, I see Aruba Rage. I see what she's. done. >> What she's done? >> Yeah, there's a Nom de Plume because. she's asking about Venezuela Fury. Aruba. Rage. Venezuela Fury. Why is Venezuela. Fury suddenly everywhere? I feel like I. can't breathe in the direction of a. tabloid without reading her name. Will. the family have struck a secret deal. with the press to make this happen? Why. do tabloids latch on to certain people. like this? >> Okay, very good. Aruba, not your real. name. Venezuela Fury is the daughter of,

if you've been under a rock and have. somehow missed this, she's the daughter. of Tyson Fury and his wife Paris. Um, she's 16. She's just got married. Netflix have got a show called At Home. with the Furies, which she's sort of. part of. I totally agree. She has just. blown up recently in a really big way. Um, so they've had the wedding and the. honeymoon. There's Okay, there's a. number of reasons for this. First of. all, I think obviously when you're going. to get a wedding and they're going to be. able to see pictures and all of that and. they put a lot on social media. A whole. family is always good because we already. know like the Fury IP as it were. You've.

got all sorts of dynamics, mini feuds, feuds you can conf. Tommy Fury fame is Venezuela's uncle. Tommy Fury's married to Molly May. So. they've got all of that. >> Are they back together? >> Yeah. Oh yeah. >> No way. >> Oh my god. Hello. Is it last year? Yes. Tommy and Holly May back together, >> are they? >> Yeah, she took another baby. >> Get out of town. >> Oh my gosh. Hi. >> After what he did? >> You don't know what he did? >> No, I suppose I don't. >> Right. So, just we don't know what he.

did. >> I watched the boxing. >> Yeah, >> that's about as far as I go with the. Furies. >> with with Venezuela. The story is very. interesting. She's very young. She's 16. Um, you know, they've been on this. 30,000 honeymoon that we keep being told. over there. There's been lots of. pictures of that and they've come. straight back from it and moved into. their first house which is not a house. is a caravan. So, and she's moved out of. the. >> Tyson Fury's big house. He's now worth. hundreds of millions. So, I think people. think that there's lots in the story. But I would say that there is a sort of. market decision here. The market decides.

will there be sufficient supply of. Venezuela fury in which case you can. create the demand. People who make. themselves available. >> Yeah. when I my as I've said before my. first job was in journalism which I. didn't even mean to go into I was answer. I used to answer the phone on the. showbiz desk at the sun and I learned. then how many people who were in the. papers or as we called it then but are. in the media want to be in the media and. it is extraordinary people are now you. can tell people who would like she would.

obviously like a show she's obviously. seen that her and her husband could have. a show maybe it's you know something. about Noah and and Venezuela and they. can. >> what does he do Noah So, a husband is. called Noah Price. He is 19 and he's an. amateur boxer. Gonna shock you. I'm. going to shock you right now. >> Tough have to be a boxer in that family, isn't it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think they want to be online though. They put a lot online, but I remember. being on that on that desk at the Sun. and just I can tell you the people who. would ring in and say stories about. their own lives. My god, I mean, I'm. going to totally disguise this because.

>> I remember and oh my god, I remember. some there were two people. Why don't. you say the name and and we and we'll. beat the name out just. >> there were two people really famous. They were having an affair with each. other and she rang in he I think she. they'd been on the coke all night and. he'd finally ended it and she rang in. the morning in a real state and said. I've been having an affair with him for. however many years. It didn't run in. this exact format by the way and I've. been having an affair with how many. years. I think she was trying to bounce. him into like once it was exposed he. would his wife would chuck him out but.

it didn't happen in the end. But I. remember thinking the level of detail. being provided here is extraordinary. And definitely we now live in an era. where people just want to be a. particularly sort of influencer level. The male who've covered this. particularly male online, they've now. got lots of people who just cover. influencers and almost traditional. celebrities as it were have become less. interesting because people feel. >> well they're harder to research. >> They're they're so much harder to. research. These people are putting lots.

of their lives online. We've talked. before about Tatal Life and all those. sort of scurless sites that love the. idea that these people are fraudulent in. some way. So there's always a sort of. like this is what she put online but. this is the actual truth of her life and. you can already see them starting. >> and is there a sense that there there is. a genuine quid proquo now that they can. report on it because they are so. visible. >> Yeah. I suppose you there was people. also used to say in the old days oh. you've sold your story to okay for this. and that. Now you can't be annoyed when. you can't just turn the tap on and off.

for publicity. And that has been. democratized hugely. Not that many. people were in a position to be. interesting enough to get a big budget. magazine deal. Everyone can put what. they like online about themselves and. seemingly seemingly do. And I would. definitely say that that that yes, she's. blown up for a reason. People think. there'll be lots of stories in her. She. is blowing herself up. She's putting. herself out there. And there are all. these correspondents now who used to. cover traditional celebrities and now. have completely pivoted to covering. influencers because that's where the.

interest is. That's where they think. there'll be more stories that you'll be. able to expose. Uh and it's just but. it's it's a totally new dynamic. And. these people are much more they're much. better copy as it were than writing. about I don't know Natalie Portman. >> But you're always looking for new. celebrities. It's truth. if you're on. that will deliver ones that will deliver. on drama on uh mess on that just will be. available to you because I'm afraid. nobody really leaves the office anymore. It's all done off people's social media. feeds and it has been for a long long.

time. First of all, it used to be who. does what on Twitter or Instagram, who. follows, who doesn't unfollow and. things. It's not going out and knocking. on doors and talking to people and. meeting nightclub bman and whatever it. is. And none of it comes from that. anymore. It's all completely officebound. this job. >> And also, if you're the maid online or. the son or whoever, every single story. they're putting out about Venezuela. Fury, they will immediately see the. impact of that. They the the numbers. will be coming back and the numbers. presumably are very high.

>> and people probably want to read about. her. >> Yeah. >> And as I say, there's there's the whole. family. There's lots of potential for. different things. Yeah. Um, so she's a. good character. >> Yeah. I think people sometimes don't. recognize the difference between a story. that will run and a story that won't. You could write the biggest story in the. world about someone uninteresting and. you will get no clicks. You can write a. tiny minor story about Venezuela Fury. and you see what it brings in. immediately. >> Think of a wedding dress designer. You. would believe what it would get. >> Yeah. But that's why suddenly someone is.

everywhere because people are clicking. and clicking and clicking. And in the. old days they say, "Look, they sell. papers." that was slightly harder to. work out who was selling the papers and. who wasn't because you're buying a whole. thing. But now you can literally see. every single click on. >> you can. But I do also believe that you. create the market and some of it is born. of laziness. If people put themselves. out there a lot then you're just going. to invest as a reporter in those ones. because there's going to be a steady. stream of stuff that you can write and. talk about and people who are actually. quite withdrawn there's there's less and.

less about them. It's amazing. Some of. the, you know, even the biggest pop. stars in the world, there's actually. relatively little that you hear about. sort of Harry Styles or Taylor Swift. because they don't put anything out. there particularly. There's pictures of. them going out to dinner, but there's. >> so the articles are very different. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Speculative articles rather than. >> Yes. >> Exactly. And also there's something to. be said for having a brilliant name and. Venezuelin. part of our culture that Tyson Fury was. called Tyson Fury and became the world.

heavyweight boxing champion. I mean. that's unbelievable. That's so. perspacious of John Fury. How are you. John Fury and you're calling your son. Tyson and then and suddenly you got a. granddaughter called Venezuela. They. gone from John to Venezuela in two. generations. >> That's ambition. >> Yeah. Isn't it just but you know the. second if she was called Jane Fury then. people go oh okay oh who's that is that. Tyson Fury's but been called Venezuela. Fury people are immediately okay give me. more be careful when when you name your. kids have a little think about their. Instagram handles in a few years time.

Bolivia would be a nice name surm for a. boy. I'm going to call my father Christmas. thing Santa laws. >> and his catchphrase is you've been. staint Nick. >> Disney give me a ring Judy Puy again. that's that That's all comers can come. in for that. But we need to talk to. Donatas about that first. >> Yes. Yes. Although I I have got some. ideas. >> Yes. And I have now as well. I think. that's us done. Your amazing series with. James Kanakasorian continues tomorrow. for our members. If you want to be a. member, it's the the rest is.

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