Tipping Point Secrets: What They Don’t Show on TV

[Music]. Hello and welcome to this episode of the. rest is entertainment questions and. answers edition. I'm Marina. Hi. >> And I'm Richard Osman. Hello Marina. >> Hello Richard. How are you? >> I'm very well. Hello listeners as well. >> Now listen I speak for a nation when I. am able to ask you the question that you. so wanted to be asked about your dream. life. Richard about your the workings of. your subconscious. Sarah Longford and.

others obligingly wrote in following. your come and get me play. A question. for Richard. Have you ever had a dream. about a perfect episode of The Bill? >> Sarah, thank you so much for that. question. Um I did. Yes, I I was This is. Listen, this doesn't count as an. official question, right? This is this. is any other business. Yes, I once, you. know, occasionally, you know, they say. that um Paul McCartney dreamt the uh the. tune of yesterday in a dream and. occasionally things will come to me.

>> But um yeah, I was I was once dreaming. and I dreamt the perfect episode of the. bill. And when I say perfect, I mean it. was faultless. >> Expect nothing else. >> Everything. It had like the regular. people in it. It had a good precinct to. it. Had a really really good twist like. the whole thing. But the whole thing was. there. Uh and I woke up. It was the. middle of the night and I could remember. it. I could remember the entire thing. and I always keep a little pad by the. bed. So I thought this is like free. money for me, right? Cuz you're thinking.

I cannot believe I I didn't have to do. anything. I had literally I haven't had. to do anything. My subconscious done the. whole thing. I've got this entire thing. and you know even if it's not going to. work for the bill, I mean it's it's I. going to work for something because it's. great and the twist was great. Um so I. wrote it down and. It took me about half an hour or so. I. was writing down every single bit that I. remember of it. The whole thing. So, I'm. writing down this this thing and I get. to the end. I'm like, go back to sleep. Money in the bank. Anyway, I wake up and.

I I forgot I did it. And then I thought, oh my god, I woke up in the middle of. the night. Uh, and I wrote down the. perfect episode of the bill. That's such. good news. So, I look over at my pad and. this is what this is word for word what. I wrote. Perfect episode of the bill. which took me about 40 minutes to write. A man throws a brick through a window, but. it is a different man. And that was it. Different underlined. twice.

>> Oh my goodness. >> A man throws a brick through a window, but it is a different man. >> Wow. >> I mean, I sent it off and they made it. But uh even but honestly in my in. whatever waking state I was in I thought. I've absolutely got this. This is. amazing. This is so good. It's got. everything. >> Okay. I think there's something that. still could be salvaged. I will personally pay for you to go to. one of those people who you know and. puts you maybe like not past lives but.

past dreams therapy and tries to extract. that particular dream. >> I think that was it. I honestly think. that was it. I think that the issue was. me waking up and you know it happens. with ideas when you're waking sometimes. where you go hold on a minute if I just. come up with the greatest game show of. all time and then the next day you go no. I haven't. >> my notes app on my phone is entirely. that. >> I love incredibly bad ideas. >> I love random notes where you go I have. no idea what that refers to. >> So and and or or people to call who is. this? I don't know anyone by that name.

But listen, if any if anyone wants if. anyone out there from any I mean Amlin, we have a relationship already. Amlin, if you're interested, the rights to that. are still available. >> But it is a different man. >> But it is a different man. Yeah, I had. it. Oh my god, it was so vivid in. >> a different man. I tell you what, it's. only the plot of the next Rock Art House. movie. >> A different man. And maybe he doesn't. throw a brick through a window. He. throws a rock through a window. And the. rock, the rock is his old career as a,

you know, as a blockbuster movie guy. Uh, and the window is the window between. him and Art House Acceptance. >> So much symbolism. So much symbolism. I. love this. Let's work on this straight. after this episode. >> It turns out I did not dream the perfect. episode of The Bill. It turns out I. dreamt the perfect plot for a rock. movie. >> Wonderful. >> Shall we get on to our actual questions, but thank you to that might be the most. asked question we've ever had. So, thank. you to everyone. Well done Sarah. Longford for for winning the raffle of. being the uh the person who got to ask.

the question. Rachel Fleming has a. question. We uh we talked about this the. other week and so we're going to have a. think about it. She says, "My sons are. 11 and 13 years old." This is titled. indoctrination, right? >> My sons are 11 and 13 years old and I am. desperate to educate them on the basis. of good entertainment. We have all been. there. Rachel, can I have a film, TV. show, and book that I should force them. to consume to ensure they grow up with. good taste? >> I love this question and I thought about. it really. I've actually got an 11 and a. 13year-old and and a 14y old. But I. asked all of them and we discussed it.

and I feel like I feel like I should do. the book first because actually everyone. agreed on this and it was going to be. the one I suggested too is Animal Farm. They've all read it. They all loved it. Um and they all found it really amazing. that it could be a great story but it. could be a sort of allegory or symbolize. something completely different. And I. remember reading it when I was pretty. young. It's first of all, you know, not. not to over egg the whole short book. thing, but it is a short book, Rachel. It is a short book and it's a it's a. great story, but when you say, "Oh, and.

by the way, and did you know?" And you. can talk about it that you know the the. horse symbolizes this or whatever it is, I think it's really interesting for. young people and children to think, "Oh, I see something can say one thing and. mean another." Or allegory, which like. in many centuries gone past, everyone. sort of understood allegory all the. time, but we don't see quite so much of. I think it it's that's a really good. one. >> Opens up a whole area of culture. Open. opens up anything that where you go,

"Oh, I didn't understand the world could. be like this." Funny enough, Catcher in. the Ride, I I read it in my teens. That's a book where you go, "Oh, I I'm. sort of inside the brain of someone from. another time, but talking very. interestingly and talking sort of how my. brain worked as well." And again, you. just think, "Oh, people from other times. are the same as me.". >> That's exactly what my second book was. because, as you know, I can't ever make. a choice between anything. So, that was. going to be the second book. My husband. said, "Oh my god, Catherine the Ry. because my mother gave it to me, I. deliberately didn't read it." And when.

it got or I was older, I read it and. thought, "Oh my god, I should have read. this ages ago. It's brilliant." So, C. and all my children said Catcher in the. Ry. And I totally agree with you that I. remember reading that and thinking, gosh, this seems to have been written a. long time ago, but this is so how I. think. So, that is a definite one. But. also with book because if you can have a. lifetime of books that's a you know it's. like have it's like I always think I'm. so lucky I like sport because it's given. me a lifetime of joy and I'm I'm so glad. that I was introduced to books in the. right way that I understand that even if.

the first five pages of something if I'm. thinking oh wish I hadn't started. reading a book uh that actually I know. that if you stick with it it brings you. the the greatest joy. So you you got to. be so careful the books that transition. you from the famous five upwards. Yeah, I'm Yeah, I'm pushing a book on someone. before they're able to understand. That's why I think I would have to say. Animal Farm is the number one because I. just think it's. >> I've never read it. >> Have you not? >> No. >> Well, >> I know about it. >> Oh my goodness. Well, I mean, really, it.

Well, it's not going to No, it's not. It's fantastic. It's really Anyway, um. right, movies. I don't know what age you. are, Rachel Fleming, but I was thinking. what I have really liked is to have. movies from my generation that we loved. And again, my children said this. They. said, "Oh, modern movies are rubbish.". That's not true. Um, and also they like. lots of things. But they all loved. Ferris Bea's Day Off when we showed it. to them and they watched it multiple. times. >> We It's nice that they like a thing that.

we like when we were about that age. And. so if if that's not the era of you, Rachel Fleming, and that's a bit earlier. than your era, which it might well be. something that you sort of loved that. some things, you know, they couldn't. really get into the Matrix, >> which I thought was quite cuz I remember. thinking, okay, well, that's just like. the best movie of the '90s or the most. important movie. >> Some things age, though, don't they? Especially things that that are sort of. sci-fi sometimes ages. >> Well, they're redoing that we they're. redoing we when we were talking about um. Mike Duper and Pam Abdi. They're going. to redo the Matrix at Warers. I was.

going to suggest part fiction, but then. I remembered the the ages and I'm. already in trouble for pushing. >> unacceptable things on. >> I'm already in trouble for apparently. showing a nine-year-old The Shining. But. so I'm probably not going to Yeah. So. I'm probably not going to recommend. Piction because it's not suitable having. >> Although maybe if you want a Stephen. King adaptation, maybe Shaw Shank. Redemption is a nice a good movie to. watch at at 13. >> because it's nothing too terribly. IMDb. is very very good, funny enough, in that. sort of nanny state bit of when it it.

tells you all the bits of a film that. might be problematic cuz you can. remember watching a film when you were. growing up and then you show it to your. kids and you suddenly go, "Oh, I'd. forgotten that happened in this film and. it's a 4-minute long sequence." But IMDb. is your friend there because it it will. tell you if there's anything that's uh. that that's awkward about films that you. loved cuz these kids would have seen. Back to the Future already, right? >> Yeah. They might they might not have. Yeah. I mean that that was the other one. that we said. >> I just feel like pick something from. your era because then it's nice to have. that at least connection. So if I'm just.

naming movies that came out too early. and they weren't a big thing for you, find one that is because then you will. you have that thing. >> But also rewatch first because the the. movies are not always what you remember. No. So look up the IMDb thing just to. make sure everything is fine. But also. just rewatch because you might go, why. did I like that? >> Yeah, I know. It's it's strange. I. remember showing my kids the the Pink. Panther movies. I thought great, we'll. watch the Pink Panther movies because I. just remember just being in tears of. laughter when I watched them when I was. a kid and you know Peter Cers and that.

>> and we were watching it and like 20. minutes in you're thinking this is very. slow. >> Well, that's the thing is that a lot of. things now because everything just. suddenly starts with a whole action. sequence. If it doesn't, you're like, "Sorry, you're establishing character. and building like. >> but also not not in a particularly. interesting way cuz I mean there's loads. of films where you know the. establishment of characte. is a very slow burn but it every single. bit of that burn pays off whereas there. some films you just think there was no. reason for you to start this slowly or.

continue this slowly." At the time of. course it was an amazing movie and I. loved it but there are certain things. where the sensibilities have have. changed. So watch it yourself first just. just to make sure. >> Okay. Yes. I agree with that. Or at. least read the synopsis. And then um TV. shows. Um it was interesting. I was. trying to think, oh, you know, people. can be quite fussy about laughter tracks. because that's just a thing that doesn't. exist anymore. And and yet lots of. people, as you can see, lots of young. people watch Friends and they don't mind. it. So you can obviously kind of say, "Let's watch Seinfeld or let's watch.

something that's brilliantly plotted and. that they might absolutely love." But I. was quite interested. My children said. documentaries. I you made us watch. documentaries and I really like and. there was so weirdly World War II in. color they thought was totally amazing. because it's something that you will. have learned about at school and the. other thing is a really good series. called explained this is this is. documentaries this is like like entry. level documentaries and they explain. everything from things like credit to. sugar addiction to all sorts of like. absolutely wild and wonderful things.

Um, and they're all about 15 minutes a. lot long and you learn such a lot, but. it's done in a really engaging way. So, I'm surprised not to be recommending. like a sitcom or something. Um, but to. be recommending documentaries, but often. you can otherwise sort of think that. that because otherwise they're only. going to watch very very short form. things, but these are quite some of. these can be quite short form, but it's. the World War II in color thing is. >> sort of incredible because it's. definitely something they'll have. learned about at school. And then to see. it like that is kind of revolutionary.

Whereas I absolutely would recommend The. American Office or Brooklyn 999, both of. them from season 2 onwards. And because. I just think that's a that's a lifetime. of joy you're bringing your kids. And. there's nothing too terrible, but but at. the same time, you know, there's. interesting stuff in there. You know, it's not they're not for children, but. there's nothing in there that's going to. scare the horses too much. >> Yeah, both of those I would absolutely. endorse those messages. >> It's a great question though. And again, um, anyone listening, if you've got if. you've had something that's worked. brilliantly on anyone that age, just.

something where you showed something to. a kid and it opened up a world to them, absolutely let us know and we'll read. some of those out next week as well. So, it's a great question. >> Here's one that is destined for you from. Helen Sullivan. Richard, when a novel's. published, it's usually in hardback. first with a simultaneous Kindle. release. In the Times bestseller list, do the Kindle purchases count in the. hardback or paperback charts, or both, or neither? Also, how is the price of a. Kindle edition decided? I've just looked. at the new Robert Galbra, and the Kindle. edition is £3 more expensive than the.

hardback seems hard to justify that. difference. >> Yes. Uh, as always, capitalism will give. you the answer to why that is, but I'll. I'll get on to that. Yes, those Sunday. Times charts, they don't include Kindle. or audio. And. >> do they not? >> No. 10 15 years ago, that would be fine. No. So, if you see the numbers next to a. book in the first week will literally be. print copies. So the um the Robert. >> How are they going to change that? >> Well, we'll find out. There's I There's. a reason why the Kindle isn't in there. The audio I don't know why it's not in.

there, but the Robert Gal Braith book I. think has sold 50,000 copies, but that's. 50,000 hardback books. And these days, Kindle, fun enough, is taking a bit of a. dive, but audio is going absolutely. great guns. So you could probably add. another 30,000 to that. I would have. thought between those two formats. So it. looks like 50,000, but she's probably. sold 80,000. And the money is the same. In fact, you get slightly more for audio. and Kindle. The reason Kindle. historically has not been in there is.

because there are a huge amount because. Kindle is its own ecosystem and there. are huge amount of books on there for 99. p or for you know 15 or something like. that. So you can get enormous volumes of. books which are sort of virtually free. or might as well be and lots and you. know buy 10 of these books for a pound. each. And so it's it's makes the charts. look a bit peculiar sometimes and it's. entirely lost leaders. So no one's. making money out of a 99p book other. than you know bringing you to their.

other books. So that's why Kindle has. never been in there. It it seems unusual. now that audio books would not be in. there because it's it's massively. growing and I look at you know the sales. mine across the years and and audio is. becoming a bigger and bigger and bigger. part of it and people are putting a lot. more money into it and you know I've. said before I listen to a lot of audio. books cuz my eyesight's not great and. there's lots of people like that and I. think that if you're reading on hardback. Kindle audio it's exactly the same.

thing. I mean, it's identical, so it. makes no sense that it wouldn't be. included. Um, as a rule of thumb, you. know, you can add on maybe another 50. 60% to the hardback sales if if you're. looking at audio and um Kindle later on. when the paperback's out. That comes. down a little bit, but it's it's a huge. business. >> They should change it. >> Yeah, I think certainly for audio they. should do Yeah, I mean I I I would love. it because it's, you know, I can I see.

what the numbers say and then I can see. what the actual numbers are and those. two things are very different. I mean. it's I've never seen a situation where. the audio and Kindle would make a. massive difference to the charts in. terms of the positions. So that Uval. Noah Harrari his last book was went. insane on audio for whatever reason. I. mean insane audio but you wouldn't ever. see that shown anywhere and again the. book seller will show you chart the. audio charts and things like that but. not it's not not in the weekly things. and not in the Sunday Times things in.

terms of the price well the reason for. that is um that hardbacks will come out. so the Robert Gre thing I think it had a. recommended retail price of £30 but. you're not really you're not paying £30. for it in most places because you know. hardbacks they put them at that price so. that book sellers can discount them. >> can discount them and everyone's still. making money on that but there are an. awful lot more bookshops than there are. places to buy Kindle books and audio. books and so there's much more of a.

captive market in Kindle and audio so if. you've got a30. book by Robert Galbra you know you can. get that for £12 on Amazon perhaps 1820. at your indie bookshop because as we. said before they've got to pay their tax. they've got to pay rents and all sorts. of things so no one's pleasing you and. though it's heavily discounted whereas. on Kindle there's no there's not really. an economic reason to to discount it. particularly because where else are you. going to get it from so you know the. recommended price will be the same but.

the discount will be much lower and so. it ends up as headon is saying it's£3. more expensive than the hardback and. that's purely because there are fewer. competitors in that market and so it's. that that weird thing that you know does. happen and that's why they're more. expensive but yeah it it's it's it. wouldn't make a huge difference to the. ranking of the charts, but it would. certainly make a difference to to the. amount of copies people can see you've. sold. And and if you are one of the. publishers, it's great having that big.

headline um uh hardback figure, but the. the money you can get, the scale you can. get from audio and you can get from. Kindle because you're not having to. >> print anything. You're not having to. you're never having to reprint. you. know, every time you know, you've sold a. load of books, you have to reprint and. you have to send them out to the shops. and that's, you know, you got reps and. you got lries and you got distribution. warehouses and you got all of that. stuff. None of which you have uh for. Kindle and audio book. So, it's a very. very nice business to be in. I would say. that for everybody if you're if you are,

you know, if you if you are taking a cut. of ebook and audio book, which the. publishers are, that's it's the last. kind of lovely bit of lowhanging fruit. in growing in audio rather like in the. same way that. >> YouTube podcast or whatever it is. Well, maybe cuz your book, The Impossible. Fortune, is out next Thursday. >> It is. >> a week a week on the on the 25th. So, maybe we can talk a bit more about those. how the split and the pre-orders and how. can we talk about that when it comes. out. I think it's really interesting.

So, I would like. >> of course we can. But yeah, that's the. reason. But we get it a lot. People are. asking why is the Kindle more expensive? And the Kindle is more expensive because. there's fewer places to buy it. >> Uhhuh. Okay. Well, on that note, shall. we proceed to a break? >> Let's do that. [Music]. >> This episode is brought to you by Sky. Sports, home of the WSL. >> The confetti's fallen, the trophy. lifted, the medals stowed carefully in. the safe. A liner summer etched into. history, but now the celebrations give. way to anticipation for the upcoming WSL.

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and Michelle Keegan. They are saying. goodbye. It's created by Joe Gilen in. fact with Danny Brockerhurst. Danny. Brocker who does lots of he does all the. the Harlen Cobin things on Netflix as. well. Very interesting writer. Very good. writer as well. >> And Vinnie who is played by Joe Gilden. He co-created it with Danny Brocklhurst. and he him and Eron they have been the. sort of heart the emotional glue of this. show since the start. Uh but they it's. drawn on uh his own experiences. The one. thing I'd like to talk about with. Brassic is it is an ensemble piece and.

some of my favorite comedies are. ensemble pieces. So if you think about. things like The Office, you go all the. way back to something like Dad's Army. So you got some sitcoms that are oh look. it's D and Rodney. You get some sitcoms. where you got two main characters even. you know Victor Meldrew. But you got. some sitcoms where it is absolutely. equal between everybody and everyone can. come in from different angles on. different things. You suddenly have a. show look at Dad's Army. You've got like. eight or nine characters there. all of. whom have their own catchphrases. And I. know you've got to write a plot as well,

but it's it's it's super helpful when. you have that. And for and for viewers, everyone's got a favorite. When I write, I try and write lots and lots and lots. of characters. That's the thing that I. love. And if something's happening, someone needs to respond. I've got five. characters and I know one of them in my. head will say something and I can just. put that down. I mean, Brassica's. characters like the the Dominic West. character, the doctor who, you know, the. more someone only has one joke, the. funnier it can become as you do the. different variations on that joke. And.

the second you've got seven or eight. people, all of whom have a comic. characteristic that you can bend in 50. different directions. That's exactly. what's happened for Brassic. Seven. series later, the gang of baring a star. watch the final farewell of the. award-winning comedy Brassic from the. 25th of September on Sky. requires. relevant Sky TV subscription. [Music]. >> Welcome back everybody. Um, now Julia. William has written in with a question. about tipping point.

>> Ah, >> she says, "In tipping point, how are the. counters put into the machine?". >> These are the questions we love. >> Yeah, I love this level of stuff. Okay. And is it emptied after every game? I'm. also in a feud with friends quite. rightly about what material the coins. are made of. Please settle this once and. for all. >> Thank you, Julia. I'm not going to. settle it. That would be unfair. But. Julia, this feud is about to be settled. And there is no one better to settle it. than u host of Tipping Point himself, Mr. Ben Sheffford. Ben, we have a feud. Can you answer all of Julia's questions,

please? >> Hi there, Marina and Richard. Ben here. on the set at Tipping Point with uh. filming series 15. And uh Julia sent in. her question. I thought it would timely. place to record it would be as we are. refilling the machine. Uh you can see. here that's Will who's there. Wave Will. >> He's our counter counter and there's. Julie who is a very important uh our. adjudicator. Uh what happens between. each show we have to empty the machine. Then we refill the machine. There are 80.

counters on the bottom shelf. There are. 80 counters on the top shelf. Every time. there's a drop, Will comes flying in. I. say how many there are. He confirms that. by counting them. We do the pickups and. then they get taken out and then Julie. confirms how many are out the back. So. everything has to be very carefully. counted and considered cuz of course we. want to make sure that every drop is. carefully counted so everybody gets the. exact money. It's very competitive. And. also the question uh Julia about what. they're made of. Here you go. I'll show. you this. This is one of our counters. I.

can assure you they are plastic. They. aren't metal. We get a lot of people. suggesting we're using magnets in the. machine. I've never yet found a magnet. that can control plastic, but the. counters are plastic. And then in the. edit afterwards, we had lots of. brilliant sound effects which make it. sound like it's shingling and jangling. down. So there you go. A little insight. into the magic that goes on when we are. putting a tipping point together. And as. you can see, the machine now as they are. putting them up is starting to take. shape as you see at the top of the show.

And the machine is pneumatic as well. So, the shelf uh is propelled. It was. created by a guy called Webo, who. Richard, I'm sure you know Weber. He has. created all sorts of amazing things in. the world of television, including the. uh the Crystal Dome at the end of the. Crystal Maze. Uh there you go. Love the. podcast, guys. Any other questions? I'll. look forward to hearing them. >> Wow. >> Okay, number one. What a pro. >> What a pro. >> Thank you. >> One take. >> Incredible. >> We don't know it was one take. Could. have been 50. There's someone in the. gallery going, "Yeah, sorry. Ben is.

still doing this um this thing for the. rest of his entertainment. It'll be. wonderful. >> I just love the back the punctuated by. the sound of just them shunting the the. counters around. >> That just reminds me of every show I've. ever done. I love it. I love just. watching the people behind it. Just the. things you do just in between shows just. to kind Yeah, the counter counter. Um. God, I mean it listen it raises the. stakes for everyone else who answers the. question for us. That was very. impressively done. If you if you are. listening to this, it's worth having a. little look at that on on YouTube as. well. That was great. It was that was so. great and thank you for your incredible.

contraption and also to have done the. dome in the crystal maze. I mean really. >> it's a bit of a I mean you could you. could retire on that. Listen, don't we. but you could do. >> that's so cool. >> Oh Ben, thank you so much. Thank you for. that question. Um Julia and I I hope I. wonder uh I wonder what side of the feud. Julia was on. I hope she was on the. plastic bought into the sound effects. and thought it was metal, but I hope she. was plastic. >> Yeah, I hear it's all magnets. Whatever whatever show you do, there's. always some idiot at home going, "No, it's fixed because they do that." You.

think, "Okay, all right. All right.". Smart ass. Marina, a question for you. from Alan Roach. Marina, when you see. someone reading your column in public, do you ever get tempted to ask them if. they found it funny? >> No way. Not in a million years. Um, >> there'd be a clue surely if they found. it funny. But well, yes, but also um. that experience of seeing people reading. your things which used to be much well. I'm I'll move on to how you can have it. in a different way now but it used to be.

I used to often sit on trains when. people had newspapers and you would see. and believe me many of the time when I. saw someone basically look at it and you. know they've read like the first maybe. two or three sentences I don't know and. then turn over the page That is a great. lesson. By the way, I forget this lesson. like probably every time, so don't look. at my next column and think, "Oh, well, you didn't really learn that lesson.". But it taught me to put something, you. know, I know it's basic. Put something. good at the top to do things.

differently. I mean, there are columns. I've written that have, you know, I've. had a sleepless night and there's like. one good joke and I've honestly put it. in like the second sentence and it's a. complete slight of hand that people have. laughed at the top. Then they might. >> Panther could learn could learn from. that. >> Yeah. Good. I mean, good point. But I. mean, by the way, as I've spoken before. about the Guardians analytics, which I. really value, and that they've allowed. us to see our data, and you can see you. can see a sort of remote version that. you don't actually have to watch the. physical excruciation of them kind of.

checking out. But actually, you could. you can see when people bail out of an. article because you. >> I thought you were going to say you can. see where when where they laugh. >> No, that would be that would be Yeah, that would be great. Um but you can see. where they've bailed effectively because. you we have five clocks and so I would. always hope to get five clocks. If you. get five gold clocks then you know sort. of they've savored every word. Um, but. if you can see, and by the way, this is. no shade on people who sometimes you'll. see that there's a news story that's got.

one clock and you know that that's. because that's just one of those one. fact news stories in a way that people. see the headline think, oh, I must know. the answer to that and it's it. necessarily has to come in the first or. second paragraph and then they stop. reading. But you can see how long. they've read, how long they've sat with. it, where they go afterwards. So, I. really value all of that. So, I can see. a virtual representation of that. That's. great. It's not that bad though cuz it. doesn't take that long to write a. newspaper column if I'm honest. But I. have spoken to directors who have sat on. planes next to people who've watched.

someone turn on their movie and then. just like bailed on it after honestly 2. minutes like just few years of my life. doing that. >> That's bad. >> And a lot of directors will talk about. um people just walking out of you know I. mean L voner used enjoyed making people. walk out of his premiieres. Jean Luke. Godard used to say there was a a movie. called Weekend and he there's a sort of. traffic sequence. It's sort of about. capitalism and when people found it. really boring obviously and walked out. he said well this is a sort of that's.

part of the film statement about. consumerism is that you Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Um, but a lot of people I. directors I've spoken to so many. directors in who've said that experience. of being on a plane next to someone and. seeing them watch your movie and then. watching them switch off which is. probably more painful because it took an. awfully lot longer. >> The thing about laughing in public is. interesting, isn't it? Cuz that's that's. the thing that every writer wants. If. ever you see someone reading what it is. you've done and would you do in public.

quite often it's if a family member or. someone is is reading something you've. done. If you see somebody laughing, if I. see someone laughing like on a train is. takes every single ounce of what I have. to not go up and say, "I'm so sorry. Can. I just stop you? Can I just ask which. bit. >> which was which was the joke?". >> That's all that's the only I know when. I've seen reading something. Then I want. to say, "What were you laughing at?" Cuz. I want to know. Yeah. You want to know. which bit landed the best. >> Yeah. If you ever say to a writer of a. sitcom or anything, oh yeah, no, we. really enjoy the show. There's lots of.

good laughs. They go where. where was I'm so sorry. Just which which. bits did you laugh at? What do you think. gave you the biggest laugh? That's the. that's the heroine hit for any writer, isn't it? Is is did it make you laugh. out loud? What was the bit? What was the. bit? What was the joke that made you. laugh out loud? >> Understand? And there are so many time, you know, and actually often with when. you're writing something, an actor will. find a joke where there wasn't a joke. Yeah. >> I've actually found some of weirdly the.

ones that have made people laugh. when I'm writing so quickly on a. deadline like say you're just doing. something and it's a live thing and you. haven't actually realized that you've. written a joke and weirdly some of those. there's something about the spontaneity. and just the like you're so in the zone. when you've written it that you think. gosh I could have spent all day trying. to come up with something good and. something I didn't almost realize was a. joke cuz I was writing so quickly has. has hit and landed much better than. learning elsewhere. >> The different version of that, funny. enough, going back to to to Kindle. So,

it's not jokes because it it never. applies to them. But on any books Amazon. page or Kindle page, you can see the um. bits that have been highlighted the. most. So, you know, on Kindle, if there. if if there's a a section that you like, you can highlight it and there's an. aggregation of that. >> I've never read a book on a Kindle, so I. didn't know that. Yeah. So, that's the. equivalent of me like turning pages over. and doing all of that. Okay. Yeah, as as. an author, you can see the bits of your. book that that have been highlighted or.

highlight the most by Kinder. It's. interesting, isn't that? >> That's f You must love that. That's. >> as I say, it's ne it's never the jokes. and it's never it's always something. short and pathy and usually something. that that's about life. Usually like a. life lesson is the thing that that. people are highlighting. It's the thing. that it's something if you're only. highlighting because it's something you. need at any given time. There's usually. some some sort of. >> I often think in your books. Oh, that's. such a good point about Yeah. And even. though I laugh lots, but yes, I see. So, people highlight those things like.

lessons for life. >> Lessons for life. Yeah. Exactly. >> That's fascinating. >> Yeah. Um, is that us done? >> I think that is us done for today. >> That was great. What lovely questions. >> I really enjoyed that. Um, we will be. back tomorrow uh with a bonus episode. about the absolute maybe alltime. classic, The Rocky Horror Picture Show. >> That's for our members. If you want to. become a member, restenter. entertainment.com. It'll be where you. can find all the details, ad free. listening, all that kind of stuff and. all of our bonus episodes. There's a. cracking little library being built up. now. But for everybody else, um, we.

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