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Should we get straight into it? >> Well, we're not going to because we have. some any other business. >> Woah. Are you kidding me? Courtesy of. Russell T Davies. The Russell T Davies? >> Yes. What does Russell have to say? >> Russell says, "Dear Richard and Marina, I love you." I literally love you more, Russell. But I have to insist, the. greatest Chekhov's gun, we were talking. about this last week, is surely the. claw. First seen in Toy Story in 1995. We then had to wait 15 years for the. payoff in Toy Story 3 when the claw. descends and there's spoiler coming here.

and saves everyone from the fiery. furnace. The height of cinema. I. actually said, "The claw!" out loud. Bliss. Okay. >> Yeah, he's right. >> You're Yeah. To be fair. >> I'll hand it to you. >> Yeah, a 15-year Chekhov's gun. 15 years. is amazing. >> That is a long-range uh rifle. >> Yes. Yeah. Okay, very good. We stand. corrected. >> I have a small any other business from a. Russell P Davies. >> Yes. I don't. No. Do you have a question for me? I have a.

question from Jamie Miller. Absolutely. no indication of a middle name. Jamie W. Miller. Right. I'm going to say. >> just fit him with a W. You can't. What's. he going to do, sue? Okay. >> That'd be a court case I'd like to see. Jamie says, "Dune part three and. Avengers Doomsday are both releasing on. the 18th of December. One, bold attempt. at getting young people into the cinemas. or hubristic? Two, who will come out. tops at the box office? Three, is there. a better portmanteau than Doomsday?". Portmanteaus didn't even exist like all. of the great traditions. This has been.

going for about three years because of. Barbenheimer. You'll remember the story. of how those two films started was going. to release on the first on the same day. Summer is always very busy, but you'll. be thrilled to know that this there was. also pettiness behind this. The Rest Is Entertainment is presented. by Octopus Energy. Now, remember Octopus. Energy do something really great. If. they've got your birthday, when you call. in for whatever reason to Octopus, the. whole music is the number one selling.

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I just want to chat to them about. something to do with my energy. And I. don't mean that sort of energy. Well, look, they can both surface the number. one single of that year for you. And you. can always choose not to have the music. You can choose for No, but I think only. animals do that, as I've said, and I. want to go on the record as saying that. Christopher Nolan, the Oppenheimer. director, famously left Warner Brothers. during the pandemic in a dispute about. theatrical release cuz he wants his. films to be in cinema.

He always, by the way, prefers a July. release. He's got a superstition and he. likes them to be as close to as possible. to the 21st of July, his releases. Any. reason? It's a superstition. It's not. clear why. Cillian Murphy left it there. So, Universal announced first that. Oppenheimer would be going in cinemas on. that day, and then Warner's moved in, and rivalry and a little bit of. bitterness was part of it. And so again, yes, you're right, there are two films, the two of the biggest films of the year. releasing on that date at the moment. So, Dune, the third part, it's Denis. Villeneuve, it's Chalamet, Zendaya.

>> It's not called Dune the Third. Dune. Dune the Third, no, it's not. Dune Dune. Three. It'd be a terrible name for Dune the. Third. Um and the Avengers have got the Russo. brothers back who did all the sort of. most successful Avengers movies, and. Robert Downey Jr. is back, but as Doctor. Doom. Again, it is a big logjam at that time. of year, and as we said, there's lots of. big movies coming out this year and you. kind of want that holidays period. I am hearing from various people. I've. talked to people about this. It might.

move. Some people are thinking it will. move and that Avengers will move first. and I'll. Marvel are often really slow it or. they're unclear about when they exactly. they're going to release and a lots of. the other studios, they've always been a. bit little bit chaotic and things. haven't been ready in time and that's a. big part of the story of Marvel but but. June had everything locked down and they. crucially they have the IMAX screens. locked down most of them for that. weekend. IMAX is a huge part now of. >> is definitely coming out that weekend we. think. >> Dune Dune will be coming out that. weekend because they've and they've and. Avengers I think have got very few IMAX.

screens they could go on to. IMAX is a. such a big part of the box office. because apart from it sort of making it. seem like an event movie, the tickets. are so much more expensive and you earn. a lot more from it. So in answer to your. questions very quickly, um is it a bold. attempt um to get young people in? I. think it's probably unwise in this case. because the good thing about Barbie and. Oppenheimer were it wasn't like, oh. which of these two movies quite like. each other will I see? They were so. different. >> that it's funny. >> It's fun to do the double bill. >> It's an interesting story to write. about. You can you can do it everything.

from a tweet to an op-ed about. Oppenheimer. Yes. >> Whereas this? Whereas this is like the. it's not like they're you know, one's. superheroes one's a sort of sci-fi thing. but it's much more likely that one. audience will cannibalize the other if. you put them on the same weekend. Who. will come out tops at the box office. like, oh my god, oh boy, if it's not the. Avengers that people will write the sort. of death knell of Marvel. Um the last. Avengers I think took 2.7 billion. Endgame and the last Dune I think took. about a 700 um which was brilliant by. the way. Denis Villeneuve can make it.

was such a smaller budget. He can make a. somewhat smaller budget look enormous. But it has to be Avengers because it's. there's so much riding on it. The whole. sort of studio really and genre. I don't. think there is a better portmanteau than. Dunesday because it's got that sense of. day and date and in it. Terrible. You're. not going to say like three Vengers or. something. >> Oh, no. I don't have one, but Doomsday. sounds like it's the day that June comes. out. Yeah. I was if I was the Avengers. and it was called Doomsday, I'd be. moving to a different portmanteau. You. know, I like yeah, June Vengers or.

something. Just something where I've got. a bit It's like that old joke on. Spitting Image where David Steel and. David Owen I knew I'd mention them at. some point uh talking about what to call. their new party. And David Owen goes, "From the Social Democratic Party, we'll. take the Social Democratic and from the. Liberal Party, party and we'll be called. the Social Democratic Party." Uh it. feels to me like Doomsday just tells you. that that's the that's the day June is. coming out. It's terrible. Absolutely I. would be fuming. Fuming. But Doomsday's. terrible. No, it's terrible. Doomsday's. the day that June comes out. >> And I think it will be just the day that. Justine June comes out.

>> there you go. Well, then we can't call. it Doomsday. Done. We'll see. Okay, this. is a very good question from a very good. name, Tony Swindlehirst. Says, "How do. musicals get translated into another. language? Who translates them and how do. they make the translated words fit the. rhythm and rhyme of the songs, especially for languages where the word. structure is so different from English?". Yes, one of those questions where you. think oh, I bet there's a simple answer. and there isn't. And the the truth is, Tony, it's incredibly difficult. It's. it's it's. >> the biggest head scrambler. I I This is. like one of the jobs I would least like.

to do. Do you know what I would like to. do cuz it feels like a jigsaw puzzle. >> yeah. All of the things that would seem. difficult are difficult. So, you you. know, you're you're fitting something to. a pre-existing melody. So, if you're. translating a book, you have an awful. lot of freedom as to the you know, the. order of things in a sentence to the. amount of syllables in a particular. word. You don't have any of that freedom. if you're translating a musical. You. know, if you've got a three-note. structure, you need a three-syllable. word. You can't suddenly have a. five-syllable word just cuz the German. word has five syllables. So, you are. immediately starting in a very, very.

difficult place. And then things that. you wouldn't even particularly think of. So, if the song has a long soaring note. at the end of a phrase, which is you. know, often the case in in musicals, that has to be a an a note a vowel that. lets the throat stay open any single. tell you there's certain sounds you can. make for a long time certain sounds you. can't. Whereas it's if the. word that you're translating has a very. close sound at the end of it then the. literally the singer will die because. they're they're they're not going to be. able to hold that note long enough. >> that on your conscience. >> No, exactly. So, you know, that's tough. if you're a translator. You know, on top.

of that like a really obvious thing in. most musicals in most songs. words have to rhyme. And you know, it's. this I if this is news to people. sometimes the things that rhyme in. English do not rhyme in German and do. not rhyme in French. Again, that I think. as a translator is quite a fun thing to. work your way around because that's. language and that's having fun with. language. The thing about the the. syllables and the thing about sentences. having very different structures in. different languages and things about you. know, the ends of sentences. and ending on a certain note those are. the things that I think are harder. This.

is why I would like to do it. So, they. always said that Hamilton was. untranslatable. >> Yeah. And you can really see why because. it's it's so fast and it's so involved. and it has so many little internal. rhymes and the the rhythm of the thing. but two Germans decided to have a go at. it. There's a playwright and lyricist. Kevin Schroeder and rapper it from. different angles. but with different skills but you know, the sort of skills that actually. Lin-Manuel Miranda combines himself. And.

they said you know, German words tend to. be a lot longer than English words and. Lin-Manuel Lin-Manuel Miranda is is. packing an awful lot of of dynamite into. every single sentence he's got there. So, they had to Schroeder and Finale had. to invent new compound German words or. use certain you know, Anglicisms where. they where where where they had to just. to keep the rhythm of the music. They. had took on this challenge every 3. months they would they they they they. sent Lin-Manuel Miranda a three-column. list of the latest songs they translated. with the original lyrics then the the.

German translation and then a literal. translation of what's the German. translation meant. So, Lin-Manuel. Miranda could see that they'd got the. rhythm of the thing. He could hear the. sound of what it was going to sound. like, and then he could see what they. were actually saying in case it was kind. of completely different to, you know, his his meaning. So, they would do that. every 3 months. It took them 2 and 1/2. years to translate Hamilton into German. They did it. By God, they did it, and. it's done very well over there, but it. took them 2 and 1/2 years. It's really.

really really one of the toughest. translations. >> the sta- is the standard for doing this. Our friends at The Lion King also told. us this. That's now been translated into. 40 languages, and you've always got. these things right and it has to be. approved at every different level. >> Are you following this absolutely nuts. Lion. Do you know what? I I really as I was. halfway through this, I was thinking, "Oh my God, but what about the. What about The Lion King lawsuit?". >> you haven't heard about The Lion King. lawsuit, I'm going to fill you in. There's that bit at the start of The.

Circle of Life, which is a kind of. incantation is one of the. or mixture of two of the 12 different. African languages. >> Yeah. He also sounds like he's singing. Arsène Wenger. Yeah. It sounds like, you know, there's a. certain Rorschach element to it. Um anyway, the Lebo M, who is the South African. composer who wrote and performed that. opening chant in Circle of Life, there's. a Zimbabwean comedian called Learnmore. Jonasi. I love those names. Yeah, Learnmore Jonasi, who often takes the.

mick out of um Lebo M. There is a sort. of serious underpinning to it all saying. that, you know, actually this is kind of. like about the appropriation of African. stuff and, you know, um he's made a. running joke of it in his set on pod-. he's on on podcast. He's sung loads of. gibberish versions of it. The thing that. has actually broken Lebo M and caused. him to file the lawsuit is that on one. podcast recently. >> crazily viral. >> Which went incredibly viral. Learn-. Learnmore Jonasi said that "Oh, no, it. just means Look, there's a lion. Oh my.

God.". As I say, he is actually a wider point. about African identity and the. Americanization of it but etc. etc. Lebanese now suing in in America for. tens of millions of of dollars saying. that it's damaging his business. relationship with Disney and his. royalties income. It's it's a big thing. and and and Lebanese has actually sort. of tried to sort of post through it. Yes. >> And he keeps saying, "I listen, I'm just. you know, I'm just raising points.". >> Well, it certainly sounds like from from. the things I've seen that it is possible.

to translate that first bit of old look. at a lion wow, it's a lion. But like. with all languages they're complex and. certain things can be certain other. things. So so the original writer is. saying no, it's more powerful than that. It's more. but so that this. sort of both right but the fact that it. went so crazily viral and everyone loved. the idea that that bit that they've sung. everyone sung it every single time that. they watch this that literally they're. just going look, it's a lion. The. official translation Disney translation. Disney have an official translation of. it of course. They control it all and.

say that it is all hail the king. We all. bow in the presence of the king through. you we will emerge victoriously or look. there's a lion. Oh my god. So But again, that's the point of. translation and why it's quite just go. back to the original question why it's. so difficult. It's actually. both those things can sort of be true at. the same time. And that's the joy of translation. >> circuit judge and the court in Los. Angeles to decide. It's going to be a. long time. >> we'll we'll wait to hear how that one. pans out. That that has got settled out.

of court written all over it. It really. has. Although I don't think he's going. to. I I get the vibe that he's not going to. back down on this saying. >> there's a judge. Oh my god. And also I. don't believe that it's remotely harming. his business relationship. >> he's loving it. Yeah. If you go on learn. more's website, he is selling a t-shirt. that says look, it's a lawsuit. Oh my. god. Proceeds to the superior court of. Los Angeles. Right, shall we go to a. break? I'd love that.

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Welcome back, everybody. A question for. you here, Marina. This touches on a big. story which we can't massively talk. about. You might work out which story. I'm talking about as I as I read this. question. It's from Susie. Thank you, Susie. Doesn't have a surname or a. middle initial. This week I tuned into. Radio 2. Gary Davies was on air as a. seemingly last-minute replacement for. Scott Mills. In this situation, or or. more common example where a live. presenter is suddenly off sick, how do. stations find presenters at short. notice, and particularly for the. breakfast show when they'd have to be. awake at 4:00 a.m.? Is there a list of.

emergency presenters? What if they don't. answer their phone? Is there an. understudy for the understudy? Oh, thank. you for that, Susie. Yes, as But how but. what a lovely tangential way of Yeah. of. talking about something we can't be. talking about. >> story. We're Funny enough, we're. recording slightly early this week, and. it's just one of those stories where. it's just so not clear what might. emerge, what could come out. >> Exactly. >> And it's not that I don't particularly. want to be a hostage to fortune, it's. just I think the picture is quite. unclear at the moment, but as it. resolves, we will be discussing it. further, I am sure. Yes, the answer to.

that from radio professionals is there. is the equivalent of a sort of rota. plan, it's called depping. Depping is a. phrase that they use in the music music. um business as well. Musicians often. need cover. It's a real skill in itself, by the way, depping. It's like people. people who can do that, who can go into. a sort of machine that is working all. the time and just pick something up. >> make it because they they do it every. day. It's quite lucrative and I'm not. talking about the radio version of it. Some people make it. Um it it you can. have a whole career from that. With. radio, it starts with the managers who.

are on call receiving news that a. presenter is unavailable. Um and then you have to you you've got a. first choice dep for the slot. Um. >> Usually Gary Davies. >> Yeah, well, I was about to say. If you. want to be If you want a professional, you go for Gary Davies. Sometimes. there's no notice at all, you know, say. someone just like gets the norovirus or. whatever it is. Then you've got to or. there there's some travel emergency or. whatever it is. Then everyone has to. decide how do we best keep the lights. on? Somebody who's already in the. building. I do literally they would look.

around the building or um who lives. really near they can get in very. quickly. Maybe you get the person who's. doing the show before to go on a bit. longer so that person can get in. And. very occasionally they would but it's. quite rare they would actually get the. person who's already on air to do the. whole next two or three hours. In terms. of like what if what if they don't. answer their phone? By the way, people. like this always answer their phone cuz. they're so professional. They work in. like. >> I just say something though? If Gary. Davies is out of office, then it is his. it would say "Ooh, Gary Davies." That's. all I That's all I have to say about.

that. Yes. >> Sorry. With Gary Davies, I would have. thought it's not like even though it is. a breakfast show, I this is pure speculation, but I would. have thought what would happen because. it was quite clear that Scott Mills. didn't think anything was going to. happen. He finishes the show and then. again, I'm purely speculating, but it. would have been when he came off air. that they would have said we need to. talk to you. Or or even if it was that. afternoon or whatever you got you got to. pick more. >> likely it would be Yeah, yeah. then and. then you've got the whole day to say. come on Gary Davies. You are one of the.

BBC's most high profile primary choices. for standards but also. in that particular case my again I'm. speculating you're thinking I he can be. a long-termish choice because he's going. to want to do it. Yeah, he's working for. you anyway. He's under contract anyway. He does shows on that channel anyway. He. stands in for lots and lots of people so. he's I mean he might as well be a. full-time kind of. host on that show because he's you know. incredibly familiar to that entire. audience. >> And he's he's a safe pair of hands and.

you might need him to be a safe pair of. hands. >> great by the way. Yeah, yeah I mean what. a pro and you're going to need him to. take charge for a while. So I think that's probably what what. what would have happened but they did. yes the idea that people in radio like. that don't answer their phones like. they're so on it they're just so on it. that. it doesn't fortunately come up. >> They're like first responders. essentially. They they they are not. putting their phone on silent when they. when they go to sleep. You have it on. game shows all the time as well of. course you know if you if you're doing. pointless or something like that and.

you've got couples who are coming in and. someone you know a train gets missing. that's it you just you've got the you. know people from the next you know day. show and stuff like that. If you're. doing. panel shows stuff like that a a lot of. careers started from enough from warm-up. of people being called onto panel shows. at the very very last minute and you. know they because as you say they're in. the building someone is sick just before. a show starts and they'll go on. People. will do everything to go on you know if. you're if you're a captain on a panel. show or if it's something like that you. would you would have to be really really. sick for for you not to go on but.

>> What happened when that person was sick. when you were on the wheel? Was sick. from the wheel are you allowed to say. who it was I can't remember. I no I. won't say who it was but yes so that. they were were spun around in the wheel. it it made them nauseous, they had to go. home, but because they were filming. another show later that day, Tony Bellew. had turned up early for his show, and. they said, "Tony, would you like to do. two shows?" And he went, "Yeah, sure, I'll do that." So, they they they were. able able to substitute someone in. If. you've got a show like House of Games, where it's you got uh five people, we.

have always, when we recorded up in. Scotland, we would always have a. Scottish comic uh you know, nearby, a. female one and a male one, because if if. a woman drops out or or a or a male. drops out. Uh the same same in. Manchester. And as you say, it's. actually quite. >> for it, then? Just yeah. >> it's it's a really lucrative gig. I. think Ashley Story, the the the actor. and comic, wrote a piece about it. recently, where she said, like, I've. I've been being paid for like 2 years to. do this thing. And it and and it's. for us, it's like it's so incredibly.

useful, cuz it just it means you don't. have to panic. And there are times where. people will wake up in the morning and. can't go on. And then you think, great, we we've absolutely got someone. And the. amount of times where someone said, "I'm. not sure I can go on. I'm really I've. got a a migraine, and I can't do this. that or the other." And you see the. substitute has been there It's been on. the bench for like a year and a half. going, "Is it me? Can I Can I go on?" And a bit. of them is thinking, "Oh, I really don't. want to go on, because this is a really. nice gig for me. I just get All I've got. to do is make sure I'm I'm at home on. the morning when when when this is being.

recorded." And then you start to have to. find a new one. Yeah, so someone like. Ashley, we'd also, you know, you you you. say that. they will come to a point where we want. you to be on the show. So, you know, we. have to then go, "Okay, we need to find. some someone different." So, Ashley came. on the show, did very well. Um but yeah, it it's uh it's a nice gig. being the being the dep, because, you. know, you'll get a call at 8:30 in the. morning to saying, "You can stand down. for the rest of the day, uh and you can. go about your business.". >> my whole life was like that. >> Here's your money. About everything. You. can stand down there for the rest of the.

day now at 8:30. >> Oh my god, that'd Cuz you do get things. done early in the morning, but then I'd. just be like someone just say, "Right, that's it. Come on, you've done your. bit.". >> Now you stand down. Uh but they have. that on uh you know, on all shows you'll. just make sure. I've had a a call a. couple of times on shows and it's always. the the there is a slight issue, you. know, this person might not be able to. make it into studio with you know, are. you available? Are you around? Because. you know, I live you know, not not not a. million miles from TV Centre and this. that and the other. Um and. almost always in those.

>> yourself within call radius. >> situations. I mean it yeah. But you. know, then they go to like half an hour. later so it's like it's it's going to be. okay, but yeah, they are there are. absolutely things in place on every. single TV show just to make sure that uh. you're not left without a show that day. I'm interested in the answer to this. one. Ben asks about brands in songs. When songs name drop a brand or use a. brand in their title like Prada by Ray, do the brands themselves have any power. against them? Can they send a cease and. desist? Do they earn any form of.

royalties? And do the musicians pay a. fee to use the brand name? The sort of. the answer to every single one of those. bits is no. Um you can absolutely use. brand names if you wish to. Same in. books, you know, I always I always use. as You use royalties. as many brand. names as I possibly can. I just think. it's more fun if someone goes to Oliver. Bonas then goes to a shop. Uh and so, you know, if you you you have. what's called normative fair use, which. is legal concept that allows you to use. a brand name so long as you are not. either a libeling that brand or be.

passing off as in oh, Prada has. sponsored me to do this song. This is. Pra- Prada behind this. So long as you. don't do either of those things and you. know, I. why would you do either of those things? You absolutely can get away with it. Mattel, for example, they Mattel tried. to sue Aqua on Barbie Girl cuz that you. can, you know, with the video and stuff. like that and it was very front and. center the Barbie thing. So Mattel said. I I I feel like there's an element of of. passing off and there's a feel like. there's an element that they're they're. trying to suggest this is a an official.

um the thing. MCA Records then. counter-sued Mattel because Mattel had. called MCA thieves. uh and, you know, gangsters and bank. robbers and and, you know, all this sort. of thing. So, uh. Judge heard the case with both of them. He absolutely threw out Mattel's case. He threw out MCA's case as well. Explained that neither side had a legal. claim and the judge ended by saying, "The parties are advised to chill.". That's quite good, isn't it? But, I'll. tell you what. >> Hm? Judge Judy. Might as well have been.

Um, I'll tell you what we've done. The. rest of the entertainment gang, we've. done a a deep dive into brands, if that. if that is of interest. The most. mentioned brand ever in music history. We've taken every single Billboard 100. song from all the way from 1959 to 2023. was our was our data set. And we've seen. how often brands are mentioned. Now, the. first time we did it, we had this. answer, which was the brand that is most. often mentioned in songs is Gucci with. 122 mentions. So, that was number one.

So, you know, we thought, "Okay." But, then we realized, of course, that what. our, you know, database was doing was. every single time a brand was mentioned, even in the same song, we were counting. it. And for there and there is a song. Lil Pump, you remember Lil Pump? In the 2017 released Gucci Gang. And in. the Gucci Gang, he mentions Gucci 52. times. So, that was slightly swaying So, what we did instead is just anytime it. is mentioned in a song, we count that as. a once. Good. And see which brands have.

been mentioned the most often in songs. Exactly that. >> Stats gathering. That's good. >> fun it was fun to do that because, you. know, we we got to spend an afternoon. listening to Lil Pump, which is never an afternoon that is. wasted. I've got a top 10 I'm going to go. through them, but I'll go through them. very very quickly. These are the most. mentioned brands ever in songs. Rap. songs doing an awful lot of the heavy. lifting, by the way. Little bit of. country, quite a lot of rap. Number 10, Chanel. Number nine, Cartier. At number eight, Nike. Number seven, Bentley. Number six, Hennessy. Number. five, Coca-Cola. Number four,

Mercedes-Benz. Number three, Gucci. Okay. So, it it still does well, but. it's not number one. Number two, Chevrolet. Just a reliable vehicle. Reliable vehicle. A reliable vehicle by. by Billy Joel. And number one, the brand most mentioned. in hit songs, 51 songs referencing this. brand, Cadillac. Oh. >> Number one. We might try and do that for the for the. UK as well. Yes, we should do. Because I. I do I don't think it'd be Cadillac. It'd be more But we tend to use brand.

names far less often. And when we do, they do tend to be Prada and Gucci and. Cartier and Nike. Cadillac and Chevrolet. would not be number one in the UK, I. don't think. >> No. Again, Oliver Bonas probably. wouldn't. Yeah. And as unbelievable as. T.G. Jones. That's us nearly done, but. we forgot to We'd said that we were. going to mention. We did a long talk about Matt Goodwin. and his sales figures. And we said we. were going to mention what they were, and we didn't on Tuesday. So, should we. Would you like to fill us in? Uh yeah, he was saying it was the biggest book in. the UK. I think it was the 20th.

biggest after a lot of books about like. chicks and Easter and Paddington and. Easter egg. A lot of Easter books in the. top. >> Yeah, a lot of Easter books, yeah. I. think 11 of the top 20 were Easter. themed. Well, it was Easter. Yeah. I. mean, to be fair. Anyway, Matt Goodwin's. book sales were Are they 5,526? 5,526. copies in the first week? >> That was That was the first week plus. another couple of days as well. So, like. 5,336, I think I think it was. Which, by. the way, is absolutely not that at all.

But if you've just said you've sold. 10,000, it's it sounds less good. >> And if you just say you're the biggest. book in Britain, I There's a number of. dinosaurs that peeped Easter that want. to hear from you. >> Yeah. And Rebecca Yarros would like a. word as well. Right, we will be back for. our members tomorrow with part two of. our Spice Girls Odyssey, which is great. fun. Um if you want to join for ad-free. listening and bonus episodes, it's. therestisentertainment.com. Otherwise, we'll see you next Tuesday. >> Tuesday.