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There has been a a significant response. to your appeal for a question about. actors and celebrities that people mix. up. >> Yes, cuz we were talking about Bill. Paxton and Bill Pullman, and they both. became famous at roughly the same time. And even now, I couldn't pick the two of. them out of a lineup. >> And when I say significant, I mean it is. the biggest response I think we've ever. had. >> Yeah, it's gone absolutely nuts. >> post bookshelves. It is huge. Purely on. the basis that she sent the first. question, I am going to ask Heather. Wolford's question on behalf of Heather. "In my house," says Heather, "there are.

two actors, Eddie Marsan, Ray Donovan, Sherlock Holmes, and not Eddie Marsan, Line of Duty, Ashes to Ashes, The. Thursday Murder Club. Recently, we have. realized that not Eddie Marsan is. actually Daniel Mays. The film Vera Drake was very confusing. Do you have any actors or musicians that. you constantly mix up?". >> Thank you, Heather. That's a good. question as well. If you're going to be. the first one in, that's a good one. That's a good one to do. I've got a lot. I mean, so many. >> Can I say I'm so scared of doing this. because the ones that I don't already. have.

>> Yeah. >> some synaptic malfunction will now. happen, and I will forever think that. you know, which I will never get my. Chrises in the right order again. >> Well, shall I go through some of the. ones that our listeners have sent in, people they get mixed up? Gene Hackman. and Gene Wilder. Okay. The The one that most people have, the one that you can Can you guess the. one that most people have had the that. they get mixed up? >> similar name ones, right? So, I feel. like you're going to Yeah, the Ryans. We. know the Ryans already. Gosling. >> Gosling and Reynolds are very, very hard. to And they You know, they also have a.

similar level of fame. I mean, they. Yeah, and they're similar age. They've. got a similar. >> American. American Yeah, I mean, that's You're in. the danger area there. >> A similar vibe. Barbra Streisand and. Bette Midler, people mix up Glenn Close. and Meryl Streep. I don't know them. I. know Meryl Streep when I see Meryl. Streep, I'm sure. >> Quinto. >> Callum Turner and Josh O'Connor. >> Surely Callum Turner and Light Harris. Dickinson I mean, don't get into Don't. get into that particular age of British. actors. >> A lot of Bradley Walsh and Brian Conley. >> Yeah, that's huge.

>> That's huge. Although they they. literally recently went on tour with. each other. That would have blown. people's minds. Susan Sarandon and. Sigourney Weaver. >> Yes. >> This is one I have. absolutely non-stop. I've seen the whole. film by the second actor and thought it. was the first actor. Uh Matt Damon and. Mark Wahlberg. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Is that Is that Is that not a. blindness you have? >> What? I was going to say Bryce Dallas. Howard and Jessica Chastain. I thought. that was the one that you were going to. say. >> No. >> No, okay. No, I don't I don't have a Matt Damon. blindness, but there are there are men. there are others that I just have to.

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elevated in my brain. I'm I'm quite bad. on Emily Blunt and Emma Stone. When I. see them individually, I know what's. going on. >> Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't. Yeah. >> That's definitively not I get them mixed. up when I look at them. There's. something about their careers. If I see. one of them as cast in a movie, I'm. like, oh, is which one which one is. that? I can't immediately picture which. one is which. So, you know, I don't I don't get them mixed up when. when I look at them for sure. Steve. Buscemi and Billy Bob Thornton we have. from a lot of people. Um. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> They're so distinctive.

>> Brian Cox and Brendan Gleeson. >> Yes, fair enough. >> sort of, you know, you could sort of. imagine they they they might be the. certain same person. Brian Cox and Brian. Cox, nobody said that. Somebody here. says Wes Craven and John Craven. That. I'm afraid is Yeah, come on. I have to. give special mention to Jennifer. Jennifer Amell Duke Divine. Not only. for the name, cuz Jennifer says, "Um. though they are not both in. entertainment." When I read out the rest. of this, that that is a real understatement. >> Okay, carry on.

>> Uh though they are not both in. entertainment. Though they are not both. in entertainment, says Jennifer, "I used. to confuse Alfred Hitchcock and Adolf. Hitler and used the names. interchangeably.". >> I just want to say I'm not speaking cuz. I am speechless. >> Until I was about 14, I thought there's. a single man who had committed absolute. atrocities, but had made some insightful. psychological thrillers along the way. >> Well, I hope this podcast is expanding. your mind, Jennifer. >> Um a few more Michael Cera and Jesse. Eisenberg. >> Oh, yes. >> A lot of people think they are.

>> That's a look-alike. >> Yeah, that's really really And also the. types of movies they're in. That's the. thing, it's when people have either a. similar name or a similar look and are. in the same sort of movies. Like Bill. Paxton and Bill Pullman could sort of. interchangeably be in each other's. films. And so could Michael Cera and. Jesse Eisenberg. Very different human. beings, but they they look very very. similar. The one that that I was talking. to talking this week to somebody who I'm. very very aware gets called the wrong. name, has been called the wrong name her. entire life, her entire life, and you.

can guess the name that she gets called. because that person gets called her. name, and that's Gabby Roslin, who is constantly called Gabby Logan. And Gabby Logan is constantly called. Gabby Roslin. >> Really? >> All day, every day. They are constantly. mixed up with each other. Again, people. know they're different people, but. that's a name one. They get their names. mixed up. Can I say the one to this day. that I am never ever ever Oh, Stacey. Solomon and Stacey Dooley, by the way.

We had lots of people talking about that. as well, which they think they're the. same person. But here's the one that I I. will never ever ever get right. And. there are people in a certain country to. whom this would be insane, but it's just. happens to be the case. Uh and that is I. would not, at gunpoint, be able to tell you which one is which. if you showed me. Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel. >> Yes. Well, I I think that's that's a lot of. people. >> I'm like, which one is which, right? And. I I can sort of I can get it in my head. for a bit if I see Jimmy.

Fallon. >> Yeah. >> Uh and people say that's Jimmy Fallon, and I'm like, yep, yep, okay, I've got. it. Absolutely yep, absolutely yep. >> gunpoint in that great nation, of. course, because. >> No, that's true. >> Too easy to arrange. >> Somebody will. And then the other one. Oh, who have I said Fallon? The other. one Kimmel. But that's what cuz I know. they're both called Jimmy, I get that. >> We don't have their late night shows. >> Yeah, exactly. They're not in our lives. constantly, but Kimmel and Fallon, I. know they're completely different names, but there's something about them that. are also the same, which is they sort of. they sort of sound a bit familiar. >> Yeah, they're in a suit and a tie.

>> that familiar. And they've got two. syllables in the surname. >> Yeah. >> I don't know, there's something about. it. So that's my that's my number one is. Fallon and Kimmel. The The Gabbys are the ones I think most. constantly get called each others names. But yeah, the the uh. >> The Ryans is The Ryans is big. >> That's the big one. >> say the Chrises, keeping your Chrises. straight has been, you know, >> So we got we got Pratt, Evans, >> Pratt and and and Hemsworth. And League. Two Chris Pine. >> See, I think it's cuz I can just about. deal with Evans, Pratt, and Hemsworth.

It's when you throw Pine in it as well. that I suddenly get them all mixed up. because that's too much Chris. >> It's too much. The equation's too. complicated to consider at the. >> Exactly. And so and that roils the other. three together as well. You know, in a. in in a way they weren't previously. roiled. >> Yeah. >> You know, as soon as as soon as Pine. comes in. There are some other funny. name ones. Uh. Rick Wakeman and Adam Rickman. >> I can see it though. I mean, yeah. >> That's funny. Willy Russell and Willy. Russell, that's for people of a certain. age. >> Um 90s. >> Very similar names. And then Tim Curry.

and Tim Rice. Which I which I. >> I think it's just a it's just the. surname. >> it's the surnames are like Curry, but. but you know, I can sort of see it. >> I've got the feeling this will just jump. off in some different area next week, but we hope we've covered some of your. >> All of that stuff, especially like so. British actors, people you see on TV who. you think are the same person. Do I. mean, we've had so many emails, but I'm. I know for a fact that there are other. great ones. >> Oh, yeah. >> out there. I know. But the but the two. Jimmys. absolutely clueless.

Absolutely clueless. But if you've got. better ones or people you you spent your. whole life think thinking were somebody. else then then absolutely do let us. know. There's some poor person at. Goalhanger having to spend their entire. time going through your emails on this. A question for you, Marina, from Roger. Leaver. That's a good name. That's a. strong name. >> Roger Leaver. Yeah. He says, "I've always wondered. about Jess Glynne song Hold My Hand, which seems to have been used by Jet2. Holidays for years now in adverts and. even on planes. How does that actually.

work financially? Is it typically a. one-off licensing fee, an annual deal, or anything tied to usage? Because it. definitely feels like they've had. incredible value out of it over time. >> This is a very good question. There's a. line in the first Bridget Jones movie. about her friend Tom says um 80s pop. icon who only wrote one hit record and. retired because he found that one record. was quite enough to get him laid for the. whole of the 90s. Jess Glynne had a hit 11 years ago and. has discovered it is quite enough to get. her paid throughout the whole of the. next decade. She had other hits as well. I'm not suggesting.

Yeah. She but however, Jet2 first used. Hold My Hand in late 2015 which was the. year it actually came out. And typically. when you're doing a deal like that, you. it's for multiple TV and social ads. By. the way, now you you still hear it on. the all the TV and social ads on. booking videos and when you get on the. plane. Um they play I know. Someone said that. um they were on a plane someone told me. they were on a plane and they had to. change the crew for some reason and it. just continued it just continued to play.

and people who work on Jet2 crews say. they just they just screen it out they. don't hear any more. >> must it must be like torture. And that's. nothing against the song but to hear it. all all day every day. >> It is amazing though that it's endured. so long. Um and originally it would have. been a licensing and royalties deal and. it's a sort of upfront sync deal as they. would call it and you get royalties. every time the ads broadcast or. whatever. Um and it's a licensing. agreement but it would certainly not. have been for 11 years. So they will. have renewed and renegotiated it several. times and she will have earned millions.

off it by now. Um. >> Millions? >> Yeah. Because it's gone on for think not. just far this way in a way that I'm. about to talk about because. remember giving in the old days you know. people used to be think that advertising. music was sort of infra dig and that. sell it you were kind of selling out if. you're lying your band to allow. their music to be used in advertising. But I do think as we've said before that. Gen Z, Gen A they're so selling. everything is so enmeshed in all of the. content they watch that there isn't that. stigma whatsoever anymore about giving.

your song. >> I saw someone doing we we we talked um. briefly on well, we we talked on Monday. show about influences. I saw someone on. Instagram saying, "Amazing news. Amazing. news. I've just signed a deal with. X car company." Uh and you know, so and. all the replies were, "Oh my god, this. is incredible. Congratulations." Rather. than. Sorry. >> Sorry. >> Uh okay. >> You you total sellout. It's just. completely part. >> You got a free car and you want what you. want us to be happy, but but everyone. was like, "Oh my god, >> Everyone was happy. >> this is awesome." I just thought,

"Okay.". >> It's become which is very interesting, which is a definite shift as as for kind. of creative artists involved in this. kind of stuff. And as we've said before, um those generations are kind of time. blinded. It don't mind when they. discover when a song that they discover. via TikTok or via advertising is from. If they like it, they like it. And last. year, I think it was the song of the. year on TikTok. >> Really? >> Yeah. It's become It's become a trend in. the mean It's used on TikTok to for. people to soundtrack their sort of. holiday mishaps or travel chaos. So, I.

don't you know, if you've got a. massively long queue and you've got. nothing to do in the queue other than. post a TikTok saying, "Nothing beats a. Jet2 holiday." Post using that song have. been viewed more than 80 billion times. on TikTok. I mean, it's. >> Woah. >> So, not only is Jess Glyn making money. from the repeatedly re- renegotiated. deal with Jet2, she is also getting all the halo effect. from streaming, download, all the other. stuff. >> Yeah. >> And also an an amazing for Jet2 as well. If you've suddenly got something that. constantly goes viral on TikTok, even if. it occasionally it is lightly poking fun.

at you, that's an incredible bit of. marketing. >> You cannot You literally cannot buy this. engagement that they've had from this. song. It's just all come together in a. way that it doesn't often, which is why. they're keeping using it. And in the old. days, you you're right. By the way, when. people use it as a soundtrack to their. meme, they're not necessarily in fact. probably more times than not they're not. on a Jet2 holiday. Now, in the old days, any firm involved in that sort of thing. would have If you open your window and. you've got a terrible view of a building. site and is that you say nothing be it a.

Jet2 holiday the firm would have said. hang on this isn't even a Jet2 you're. not even on a Jet2 holiday you're but. what they've decided to do clearly I. don't know this haven't spoken to Jet2. about it but you can see because it. would be you couldn't police it they've. just decided to roll with it which is. actually pretty modern and to think you. can't police this it's beyond when you. something's had 80 billion whatever you. can't get in touch with every single one. but actually what's happening is that. your name is being mentioned all the. time to the point where Jet2 has almost. become in our national brain synonymous.

with the various various holiday so you. honestly can't buy what has happened. with this particular song and you can. absolutely see why they can say they. need to use it. for JK. who's done brilliantly out of this and. fair play to her nothing else can. obviously be done with the song at all. now because it apart from baby song in. concert because because of this and it's. the sort of earworm it's a national. earworm it's an across internet earworm. but it couldn't have been worked out. better for I would say for both parties. involved.

>> Yeah and at a time where it's harder and. harder to make money out of recorded. music. >> It's not totally unique but it's it's. the kind of leading example of something. unusual and I do think it's interesting. that they don't bother to take anything. down because even because you're not. saying Jet2 holidays are rubbish because. almost no one is on a Jet2 holiday when. they post. you know it's the passport queue isn't. Jet2's fault but it's it's just become. something that people constantly say. your brand name and constantly. >> and also that. has the word holidays in it. it's perfect. >> Right shall we now go to a break.

>> Yes wouldn't it be amazing if Jet2 were. advertising here. >> Sadly I don't think they are but if they. were. >> can you imagine and everyone go oh that. song. >> Oh that's why they did the question this. was not a this is not a sponsored. >> This is hashtag not paid. This episode is brought to you by Tesco. Mobile Now, we're no strangers to the. magic of mobile phones. They've now. become these sort of omni-tools for. entertainment, photography, abstract.

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difference? >> Yes, this is the. Not yes, it will make a difference. This. This is the block the merger. >> Cuz no, it won't make a difference, but. >> Yeah, well, I think we know where this. is going. This is the block the merger. campaign, and thousands of Hollywood. creatives have signed it against the. David Ellison bid for Paramount's. Skydance bid for Warner Brothers. >> A lot of the same celebrities who were. saying, "Whatever you do, don't let. Netflix buy it.". >> Yes. >> Yeah, careful what you wish for. >> And they have got lots and lots of big. people. They've got, you know, directors, they've got Denis Villeneuve, Celine Song, lots of actors, Mark.

Ruffalo. I mean, what What hasn't he. signed? Brian Cranston, Tiffany Haddish. They've. still got lots of those. They've got some showrunners, but not. all of them have shows going at the. moment. They've got David Chase, Damon. Lindelof, J.J. Abrams. And what they want is the. attorney the. attorney general and various other. states attorneys general to to block it. >> Beautiful, by the way. Absolutely. beautiful plural there. Your. pluralization of attorney general. >> I didn't I do it right?

I'm quite surprised cuz it's. definitely 50/50 on. And I think they think that show runners. are sort of key. >> Show shows runner. >> Show shows runner. Now you're going to I'm not going to be. able to do a plural for the rest of the. show. I think they think that show. runners are key because lots of people. depend on them. But as a result, because. lots of people depend on them, you may. not get people I don't I just personally. don't think someone like Taylor Sheridan. would sign it anyway. But when lots and. lots of a huge ecosystem of people. depend on them for income and mortgage. and everything I read it was tearing.

apart agencies and both companies. involved as to whether you have or. haven't signed it. I mean, don't bother. all I would say is please don't bother. tearing yourself apart because it will. not make the blindest bit of difference. at all. You can I mean, I can't tell. performers not to be performative cuz. you may as well argue against gravity, but. in my view, open letters are all performative. nonsense. And. talking about I'll talk a bit slight. about them in general and then probably. my own experience with them. But there. are so many of these in an era of click.

far more than there ever were when it's. so easy to circulate them digitally and. in the in the old days you had to make a. call and say I'm getting this. letter together. Would you be on board? You know, and there was a whole. >> Yeah. >> And you had to actually sign your name. as opposed to just saying would you have. your name on this list? Yeah. >> And it's I think it's so sort of. infantile, you know, the idea that as that this is tearing. people apart cuz you haven't signed it. It's like people saying, you know, oh, if you won't sign this letter or you're. sort of pro the killing of people in. Gaza. I mean, it don't be ridiculous. This is it's so infantile and I'm I'm.

sort of probably being a realist and not. sort of performative self-importance. The open letters that have actually. worked in the whole of human history are. pretty I think they're short. The one. Emile Zola, the novelist, wrote. the during the Dreyfus Affair about. someone who was wrongly accused by the. French government. That that worked. That's a signatory of one, though. It. was open. The problem with open letters. also with. many, many signatories is that they're. sort of watered down and they're in this. kind of deniable, wishy-washy language. that every cuz you want the most. possible people to get on board with.

them. I would say that I do think that. the kind of letters that went on and on. from climate scientists for for a very. long time. what there was a point to that to say. there are many of us and there is a. consensus here. I think that moved the. debate. >> Also, they're climate scientists and. they're answering a question about. climate science. I mean, it's exactly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Me too. That I mean, even now when we look at. the backlash against it, you have to say. it's difficult. I would definitely say.

to you that celebrities make things. worse. We know this overall that they. don't actually people want celebrities. not to do these performative things in. general politics and in business and. maybe even in something like Me Too. where they were talking advisedly about. their own industry. So, I think that's. on the fence. But in general, they don't. work. I remember during a huge strategy. during the Remain campaign which. famously didn't do very well was to get. like open letters from 100. big business leaders, 100 small medium.

business leaders to the Times. It's like. I. I'm starting to feel that maybe this. isn't the format you think it is. There. was famously one against Einstein. >> Oh, I signed that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I thought finally something, yeah. >> Finally I can something I can get. behind. He publishes theory of. relativity and then this pamphlet came. out which was 100 authors against. Einstein. >> Wow. >> And he said the the thing which I've. just said which is why why 100 if they. were right, one would have been enough.

And you know, he understood maths and he. which is relevant to open letters and he. understood as his theory proved that. frame frames of reference are. subjective. I'm trying to think if I've. signed any open letters. I really try. not to. I signed one letter to the. Guardian's letters page from other. Guardian writers about not selling the. Observer because I thought there would. be different ways, if it were me, which. it wasn't, of getting down head count if. you were willing to have a confrontation. with the union as an example. And I. signed that, so that was but I.

>> But that's not even that's not really an. open letter, is it? >> It's not really an open letter. >> to management from. >> Yeah. I've signed internal things at. places and I've signed but even not very. many of those, but I have signed things. but I and I would always think it would. be more effective to write alone. >> Yes. >> about something than but I really think. it's a way so often of people in the. public eye. kind of ticking off like I look, I've. said I'm against this or that. I've said. I'm against this war crime I'm.

witnessing. I've said I'm against. whatever it is. It's just a way of saying of sort of. addressing your responsibilities and I. really think they do not make any. difference and I absolutely don't think. they're going to make any difference in. this whatsoever. >> Yeah, I'm I I tend you do get asked to. sign a lot. I tend to be the the. anything I was asked if I put my name in. that blank book which was which is. authors against AI and I thought well, I. am an author and it's a it's a it's a. publicity stunt. Nothing more, nothing. less. I'm not trying to. >> But it's about your own industry and.

it's about I think there's something. slightly different. I mean again, you'll. say well, they this is about their. industry. I think it was something so specific and. you have been. a victim of an alleged crime. >> Yes, exactly. >> weren't you? >> Yeah, yeah. But it it's. yeah, they very very rarely do anything. and I I I am with you. I think that. it tends to turn people off things. rather than the other way around. I. think you know, it's it's it's one of. those things that it's it's it's very. very easy.

to use as weight against it. >> You You're very They're very welcome. individually to say in all their. interviews and all their whatever. >> I've got no hesitation. >> These are people. with access to public platforms, I think. we've established. So, they're welcome. to do that all, but I think in the. general sort of please don't tear. yourself apart on it. It's a complete. waste of time doing that. >> Yeah. You don't just. >> in even worse trouble than you are. already. >> But also not signing a letter doesn't. mean you disagree with the letter. It. just means you disagree with. >> Open letter. >> your your opinion put with 500 other. people's opinion and yeah. >> That's a.

>> which is a different matter. >> Agree. Here's a good one about panelists. writing notes from Cat, no surname, which I know you'll disapprove of. >> Yeah. Maybe it's Cat from 8 out of 10. Cats. >> Maybe it is. Maybe um it's Cat from The. New Power Generation Imprint. Um. >> What do you think? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Well, she would say, wouldn't she? >> Well, she says she loves watching panel. shows, so case closed as far as I'm. >> it will be that. >> Okay, I love watching panel shows. My. favorites are Would I Lie to You? and. QI. I often see the comedian panelists. writing down what seem to be notes when. something funny is said. What are they.

writing down? I doubt I could use They. could use the same exact joke again. So, what will they do with those notes? It's. been bugging me for years. >> Wow. Well, it's been bugging you for. years. Well, let let let me debug you, if you if you know what I mean. It's. different on different shows, really. On. Would I Lie to You? you'd never really. take on notes. I mean, you you might. have a pen and obviously you've got bits. of paper you can you you can write on. there. But with a show like QI. >> Why? Because it's happening so quickly. that. >> Well, because what are you writing? I. mean, that that is the question. What. are you writing? >> Yeah. >> notes about. Okay, so what you might do.

and it's it's it's what I'll talk about. now, cuz I think I think there's only. one reason you write things down on a. panel show. So, often you'll take on. notes. So, if you're doing Have I Got. News for You? for example, you you. you roughly know what some of the. stories might be and so you you. note it down um a line or something. You. You will see people very rarely look at. their notes because, you know, if you're. a new comedian on that show, sometimes. you would have written jokes just to. make sure you get off to a good start. and you you'll see someone just sort of. glancing down at a at a written joke,

but usually. you wouldn't. Usually, you would you. know, if if I'm on, I'll just write 1 2. 3 4, and I just go, you know, budget, Trump. It's just to know roughly, you. know, what what we might be talking. about. The only time I take notes, and I think. it's the same as other people, it's a. real comedian's thing, and it and it's. callbacks, and that's the only reason. you would you would you would write. something down. So, say I'm doing Have I Got News for You, and I'm round two, which is you know, where they kind of look at the silly. little stories of the week. There's a.

question about, you know, say there's um. Councillor Stephen Anderson from, you. know, so-and-so-and-so, where who's the. crime commissioner of a certain council. has been arrested yeah for, you know, stating stuff or, you know, fiddling his. expenses or something like that, and. that's the story. Now, if that comes up, so it's a story no one knows, it's a. story we haven't heard, of course, but I know now in the show there's a. story about whose thing is that he's. that he's a thief. >> Yeah. >> And his name is Councillor Stephen.

Anderson. So, I will write down the name. Councillor Stephen Anderson because. later on in the missing words round, you. know, it might be something like experts. say what can be seen from space, and you. can just go, is it Councillor Stephen. Anderson's expense account? You know, it's it's it's stuff like that, or any. thing that comes up that is an. interesting person or an interesting. concept or idea during that show, you. might just write down just A, remind. yourself that it came up, or B, as I. say, if it's someone's name, just remind. yourself who that person's name is, just.

cuz it helps you later on when you're. doing a callback. Cuz what you want to. do is make the show feel like it's. of one piece, >> Mhm. >> uh and that you're not just going in. with pre-prepared jokes about something. that, you know, you are aware that the. show is its own thing, and that. Councillor Stephen Anderson can become. a comic character in the rest of that. show, but if you've you his name, then. he's not going to become a comic. character at all. So, it's just that. really. There's no other reason to write. stuff down. People sometimes will. doodle. That's definitely the case because there. will be moments in you know, little.

recording break or something or don't. forget when when you're recording it, you record it for much much much longer. So, you know, if you're on with a light. to you and you've just said. I once stole an Easter egg from Jeremy. Clarkson. I'd be like okay, so we're. going to question you for 10 minutes and. very early on you say this is, you know, 1997. So, I'll just write down 1997. So, you know, like a police officer would do. in an interrogation. So, that's very. specific very specific to that. But. other than that, it is yeah, it is it is. literally just for the kind of comic. conceit of what might be useful later on.

in the show. You're not writing down. what someone said or someone else's joke. or anything like that. You're literally. going, oh, this is one of the characters of. this show. I'm going to write that down. But it is literally just a little. aid-memoire or. >> comic mechanics. >> or doodling. >> Yep. >> And those are the only things that can. be, I'm afraid. Or very very. occasionally, if you're asked to do a. pick up, you'll write down what the pick. up is. But that you'd never see that in. the in the final version of the show. anyway. So, Cat, I hope that is helpful. >> Last but not least, Andrew, no surname.

Andrew says, I'm baffled baffled by the. recent decision. Andrew, this is by Los Angeles County to. revoke permission to film the reshoot of. the iconic 90s show Baywatch at Venice. Beach after only two days of filming. I. note that Karen Bass and his mayor has. tried to row back, but nevertheless, what signals does this give producers. who are deciding on which city to base. their shoots? I'm sure that having to. relocate must have cost the production a. fortune. Who complained and why was the. complaint upheld? >> Okay, this I By the way, I think this. story is based on a false report from.

Crew Stories, which is a online forum. where people sort of anonymize their. experience of working on various shows. as always always to say we're being. taken advantage for of or look at the. scandal scandal thing as. >> Oh, Crew like c r e w s stories. >> stories, yeah. But in in Los Angeles, in. um Cali- state of California, you do by. the way need a permit for absolutely. everything. Every single tiny thing in. life you need a permit for. And in this. case, you needed one from the California.

Coastal Commission. And they were given. it, and actually I think they were it. has been updated because they needed. more space. They need a larger footprint. on the beach. They need to be able to do. night shoots, okay? So, I it's don't. worry, it's still going ahead and it's. still on the iconic Venice Beach. >> a tiny bit of the beach shut off. I. mean, it's an extraordinary small piece. I read somewhere that it was something. like 300 sq ft of beach that they can. shut off at any one time, which when you. know that beach, it's very, very big. And also, I'm amazed how they're happy I. was at making it look like lots of. different bits of beach because that's a.

very small. footprint. But, it's interesting the. question simply because they are, as. you've probably read, they're trying to. build bring as much filming back to. California and to Los Angeles in. particular. And there's always been a. sense that Los Angeles could end up like. Detroit, you know, a place that was once. Yeah. a thriving center of an in- in-. industry, and then but falls into. decline in this kind of baroque and. awful way, really. Um and Baywatch is a. keystone of this cuz you think of how.

many productions are filmed. all around the world. Um and so many now. in the UK, but I say what you like about. our weather, the one thing you're not. going to be doing on just outside the. M25 is Baywatch. I'm sorry to yeah, Levenson hasn't got. it, I'm tax. $21 in tax credits for a for 12. episodes, which is a lot. One of the. reasons they want to build build it back. is. if you think of that particular city, and particularly around Hollywood, is.

that it's a whole ecosystem, and there. are lots of little small businesses, like drivers and florists, and all the. things that kind of make up a whole. economy. And outside places, none of. that happens, and all there there really. are so many stories of unemployment in. the business. But, the reason it. may be difficult to do it is because, once again, I have to say that the. reason LA is very expensive is unless. they do huge tax incentives, and we do. in this country, by the way, which is. why so much is now here, is because of. their labor laws. They are.

very so unionized. It's so much more. expensive to make something there, and. that's one of the big stumbling blocks. But, the other thing is, yes, you are. right, it is massively bureaucratic, and. it is a lot easier to get permits here. than it is there. But, you know, the. sunshine, the weather, very much. But, yes, that is one of the big stumbling. blocks to it getting back, and they've. had to have a lot of meetings and go. back and forth to expand those permits, but they have got them. >> Okay, that's good. >> the the two stumbling blocks do remain, their labor laws and the sheer amount of.

bureaucracy to get something done. If. you're filming in a studio lot, of. course, that's fine. >> Yeah, but imagine how easy it would be. to shoot that in South Africa, say, which which often. you know, stands in for outside outdoors. America. It would just be you know, you. they'd throw out the you know, the red. carpet would be out for you, the tax. dollars would be there, or the tax. rands. >> And unpicking it all, given it's on the. statute, but is actually quite. difficult. So, I mean, I do think that. they are going to have to apart from. offering the big incentives, I wouldn't. not suggest that they went into battles. with the unions, but I would say that.

unpicking some of the bureaucracy is a. big part of how they're going to if they. are going to bring more production back. to LA, they'll have to unpick some of. the bureaucracy. >> Put it this way, it's so hard to film. Baywatch that before it started, David. Hasselhoff was called David Hoff. >> He was hassled. He was beyond hassled. >> Yeah, you see. >> That winds us up for today, other than. to say that tomorrow we have the final. installment in our epic Spice Girls. series for members. If you would like to. join for ad-free listening and bonus. episodes, it's.

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