Do Actors Really Lose The Weight & Are You Paid For Playing Dead?

[Music]. Hello and welcome to this episode of the. rest is entertainment questions and. answers edition. I'm Marina Hyde. >> and I'm Richard Osman. >> Hello. How are you? >> I'm very very well. We have lots of. questions. Should we start one with you. straight away? No nonsense. >> No nonsense. Just get to it. >> Just get to it. People just want to hear. the first question. They don't want to. hear us rabbiting on. >> Stop rabbiting. Hit me with it. >> Hit you with it. Exactly. That said, no. Eric Mley Smith has a question. He says, "Hi, Marina Richard. Long time first.

time." That's good. Long time listener, first time questioner. >> Oh, really? >> First time in. >> Wow. Wow. Do you know what? Sometimes. Wow. >> Yeah, that sass is unacceptable. That's. a level of sass you don't want at the. top of the show. >> Listen, I can get that at home. Okay. I. don't need to come to work and get it. Uh Eric, it is your first time Christian. and it is being read out. So, uh well. done. His question is this. In Conclave, the Pope is dead from the start. That's. >> not He's there from the start.

>> It's absolutely from the beginning. >> Yeah, the title is also Conclave, so. arguably the spoiler's in the title. >> Oh, is I suppose so? That's like War and. Peace. >> Yeah, >> he's like, I'm reading about the war, but I don't know what's going to happen. >> Anyway, sorry, Eric. In Conclave, the. Pope is dead from the start. So, how. much would an actor expect to be paid if. they never actually act? >> Okay, great question. He is playing. dead, and that's a thing. There's a. whole phrase for it. Uh but first of all. it depends what what um is it is this a. SAG is this a SAG is this a union.

production because then there are. specific rates you you're paid as a. supporting act actor by the way if which. is otherwise sometimes called background. extras whatever if you are a corpse um. and the standard um rate for that I. think at the moment is $224 a day. Now. listen, if you have to do a photo of. yourself, you know, we talked about this. like being photos of dead people. Yeah. In in productions or whatever, if you. have to do that, you get more for that. >> You can bump that up. So if there's a. picture of the pope somewhere in.

conclave, which there must be surely. >> I wonder if you sat for a sort of. Vatican portrait whether that counts. Either way, maybe maybe you'll get a bit. more, but you don't get much more by the. way. You don't even get much more if. you've got to like lie in shallow water. If you're the corpse who has to do that. or you've got there's a lot of makeup, you might only get like $20 more. I'm. not saying that this is what the person. who played the pope because that was a. slightly different thing um in such a. big film like as that. If you've got a. line before your death, just like one. line, then you're a featured extra and. you're in a whole different financial. bracket. And as we always know, it's.

amazing how few words you can say and. how much it bumps your money up. There. was a guy, oh my god, there was a guy. who doesn't do it anymore. Um do you. know about this guy? He was called dead. body guy. He had his own website and. everything. It's a guy called Chuck. Lamb. He was a computer programmer. He. remained a computer programmer and he. still is one. and he's in his I think. he's in his 60s. >> So, it's not a full-time job. >> No, he sort of worked kind of freelance. as it were. And he thought, "Oh, I' I'd. like to do this." And he just had a real. talent for playing corpses. You've got. to be able to do the short breaths and. you've got to be able to not blink. >> Well, you got to be able to do no. breaths presumably.

>> Yeah. But you can't actually just hold. your breath with the whole scene. So, you've just got to do the short breath. >> The way to the blink thing, >> the no blinking is really hard. >> But then shut your eyes. >> Okay. But if they've told Yes, obviously. they would if you've been directed. I. would do it. >> I'm sure you would. I'm sure you'd have. a load of views about the kind of corpse. you'd like to play. And maybe that's not. what people want in a supporting actor. >> Eyes closed. >> They don't want you to say I would do it. this way. >> Okay. >> Uh they want you to just do it the way. you're being told. Anyway, >> for so many reasons, >> but so Chuck Lamb and he so then he.

started because he was a computer. programmer and he was like good at the. internet. He had a little website like. really lowfi thing called deadbodyg.com. or something like that. And he was to. just would take a daily photo of him in. various dead situations around his. house. And it was just like really. stupid stuff like you know you'd find. him he'd like he would just be lying on. some concrete outside his house with. like you could just see the bits of a. parachute thing kind of disappearing. behind him. >> That's what that's what um Ree Sher. Smith and Steve Peton do to each other. every morning when they're in their. writers when they they they kill they.

they set themselves up as corpses before. the other one comes in in more and more. elaborate ways. >> That's so cool. I Yeah. Okay. I love. that. Yeah. So he used to do that and. someone sort of found it and he it just. went nuts and they thought like how many. times you played a corpse. He's like oh. no I'm really good at it cuz I could in. fact he's had to retire cuz he's got. back problems. He can't quite be as. still as he could. Yeah, I know. He. really your bat's got to be really bad. when you can't even be dead. >> I know. Well, yeah. You've just you're. moving around a little bit and he wanted. he wanted someone to take it over. He. wasn't sort of precious about the domain. name. He wanted someone to take it over. But I was talking to someone friend of. mine who does makeup and she was saying,

"Oh yeah, there's something that's um. they they've got a sort of palette, a. really gray palette and sometimes people. call it the wheel of death for for. making up corpses corpses. It's like. that sort of awful thing." But lots of. people famous people have played corpses. which I think is always quite interest. like some of their first Samuel L. Jackson was a corpse I think Tom Hanks. was going to be a corpse and then he got. a reprieve from the director in like. really early on. like an early horror. film thing. I think the most famous. person who went on to become famous who.

played a corpse, although he wasn't. hired just to play a corpse, is Kevin. Cosner in The Big Chill. Kevin Cosner is. the guy who um Alex who's um suicide. brings the whole kind of gang of college. friends, the sort of scattered. friendship back together. Um and um he. was originally in lots of scenes. Then. we're going to have lots of flashbacks. But in in the end, I think Lawrence. Kazdan, who was the director, cut lots. of them. Um, and so actually what you. see, you see the mortician sort of. moving him around all the autopsy and.

you can see the slashed wrists and. that's but that is Kevin Cosner and he. did actually do much more. But that is. a, you know, he is 100% probably the. most famous corpse, but he wasn't. intended. If ever you see someone very. famous dying very early in a film, you're like, "Oh, we got we got. flashbacks coming or they're not really. dead because you think there's no. there's a episode of Poker Face where. Justinu very early on gets killed." You. thinking, "No, they're not getting. through through for that part. >> We're going to we're going to see more. of him." Um I I was speaking to Jen. Todd, who's one of the producers of.

Thursday Murder Club because we have a. character in Thursday Murder Club who is. in a coma throughout the film, Penny. Gray. And so I asked her about it as. well. He said is actually a featured. background artist which means which. bumps the money up even more. >> Oh, that's good. >> But they did Yeah. extensive casting for. that as well. You know, you know, everyone's across it choosing choosing. who the person who's just lying there is. going to be. >> Yeah. >> And so are Penny Gray who who is who is. who is lying in bed throughout Susan. Kirkby. Thank you, Susan. She sort of. just lies there while with her eyes shut. while Helen Mirin and Ben Kingsley and.

Paul Freeman talk talk around her. Um. yeah, apparently she did okay. This one. is for you from Daryl Hughes. Richard, given how the music industry has evolved. with streaming, roughly how successful. does an act need to be to uh live off. their music earnings. I'm thinking about. bands that are popular, playing decent. festival slots in larger venues. I'd. imagine a band like Fontaine's DC and. making decent money, but what about. further down the ladder of success? At. what point can a band member quit their. day job? >> Yeah, I mean, in in in the old days, um,

yeah, you quit quite early. These days, almost almost impossible. I mean, Daryl's sort of right. If you're in the. top two or three on a festival bill. regularly, if you're Fontaine's DC, for. example, you are making good money. because touring money is where all the. money is now. >> In the 90s, you toured as a loss leader. for people to buy your album, which is. where your money came from. And now you. release albums as a loss leader for. people to go and see you on tour cuz. that's where all the money is, and. that's why um uh that's why tickets are. so expensive. But obviously if you're. playing Glastonbury and you're fifth on. the bill, then you're not seeing an. awful lot of that Glastonbury money cuz.

most of it is going to those um those. first three. So there's lots and lots of. bands now who people have heard of who. have day jobs. I was reading that. there's a great piece in the Guardian. written by um Dave Simpson, the great. music journalist talking about Himalayas. and the guy who literally gets a the. singer of the Himalayas just gets a a. text through while he's working at. Starbucks saying, "Oh, by the way, you're supporting the Foo Fighters at. the Principality Stadium and you know. he's working in a coffee shop.". >> Wow. Um, so it's very very hard to make.

a living until you can, you know, have. have like a proper size tour. And to do. a proper size tour, you either are. releasing records for quite a long time, which is costing you a lot of money, or. you're touring smaller venues, smaller. venues, smaller, and you know, there's a. there's sort of a subsection of bands, people like the Sherlocks, who who. largely northern indie bands who who. just tour tour and make money. But a lot. of the bands you'd have heard on a lot. of your favorite bands are not making. money. There's a really interesting one. recently. There's a great um northeast. band called Field Music who are proper.

mus. They done like nine albums or. something and they came out and said, "We are for real. We're forming a doors. tribute band." And people were like, "What do you mean you're forming a doors. tribute band?" He said, "Well, we can't. we're not making any money." He said, "You know, we're musicians. We've done. this since we started our career. We. used to make a bit of money, but you. know, we're selling fewer records. You. know, we can't sell out these big. venues." Whereas, if we play as the. doors, we sell out. And so, you know, once a month, twice a month, and they're. called Fire Doors, and they're in, if. you see footage of them, they're. incredible. I mean, this band are.

incredible musicians. And they said, "There's we are going to do this. Zero. shame at all. We love the Doors. We're. great musicians. We love entertaining. people. And we cannot afford to keep. being in a band if we don't do this.". And the. >> So, they have a sort of band double. life, right? >> Yeah. Exactly. So this that sort of. funding their their original material. and the the support they got was amazing. for their original stuff and also for. this incredible tribute act as well. >> I think it's a good background premise. for a show of some sort of fictional. drama comedy murder mystery thing. I.

don't know. >> It's a murder mystery thing. Well maybe. >> Yeah. I wasn't interested murder. mystery. So it's very very hard if. you're starting out now to actually make. money. You know in the old days you. would start out you know record company. would sign you get given a bit of money. did you earn that back out through your. albums and then you know you sell more. records and you're making money but all. of that has completely gone. I was very. early on in her career I was friends. with one of the managers of Rebecca Lucy. Taylor who's self-esteem. >> So Rebecca was in the band Slow Club and.

they were making no money and there's. two of them in the band. One of the one. of them was from a a slightly more. comfortable background and he he was. comfortable doing what he did and. they're great band. Rebecca was not from. a comfortable background and needed. money and the whole time she's saying I. don't know what to do. I can't I'm not. making any money. Uh and she decided to. go solo and the struggle that she had. and I saw I saw every step of it. The. amount of time she almost gave up. She. was I can't live. I can't even during co. she said I I was she almost gave it up. and was going to become a like a fitness.

instructor. Yeah. You know because there. was no money and there's no family money. or anything like that and there's. generations of these musicians. She has. a particular uh personality type and. also a particular talent that meant a. she stuck it out and b when she went. over the top everyone went oh my god. she's unbelievable but the amount of. Rebecca Lucy Taylor's and self-esteemes. we have lost along the way because there. is no money for these bands. >> So what can you do at home? Go and. support people when they play live. Definitely go and see people's live.

music. Pre-order. >> albums. don't think that some of your. favorite bands are rolling in money. because a lot of them have got side. jobs. The anchor who I love who sings. with the Manx and does great solo albums. as well. You know, she's a lecturer and. she said I was there and one of my. students was saying I saw you on. Strictly with Simple Minds yesterday. She go yeah I know it's that's sort of. the other part of my job but there is. not a living to be made anymore. Um we. did some ransom numbers and a lot of. that is because of streaming. So for. Spotify streaming you will get I think.

0.0 0 0 35 of a pence. >> So we did some sums which is how many. monthly streams would you have to get as. an artist in order to earn minimum wage, right? And this is without any other. costs at all. Uh you would have to have. 567,000. streams a month in order to make minimum. wage. We tried to find someone with. exactly 567,000 streams just to show. what sort of level of artist you'd have. to be. and we found them and it's.

Allison Moyet. >> Oh my god. >> So Allison Moyet, if all she relied on. in her life was streams from Spotify, which is how people are listening to. most of her music, would make minimum. wage minimum wage. Now the good news if. you're Addison Moyet is firstly she made. a lot of money in the 80s solo and and. with Yazoo. Um she can tour so she can. make plenty of money tour. So Addison. Moyet is I don't want anyone worrying. about Alison Moyer. She's doing all. right. But if you could imagine the. amount of streams you'd have to have to. make any sort of living at all, uh it is.

it is a very very small amount. So. touring you can make money. Sync you can. make money. And what sync is is. essentially it's the name for the. industry where you will sell your songs. to video games or to movies or to music. And there's there's good money to be. made in that or adverts which is why. lots of acts, you know, uh license their. stuff. So you can make money through. that, but you're not really in control. of that. You know, you might just. someone at a production company might. wake up one morning and hear your song. and go, "Oh, that would work well in. episode three of this new HBO thing.

we're doing." And suddenly you don't. have to worry for a couple of years, but. you are not in control of it at all. So. it is very very very hard to make money. Uh you have to be absolutely at the top. Heritage Acts are all fine because they. can tour forever. But yeah, new young. bands coming along. If they are, if. there's ever anything on their website, if you like them, there's ever anything. that says, "Can you support us? Can you. do this? Can you buy merchandise is. incredibly useful." All of that stuff. That's the way that can make the. difference between a band having to give. up uh and a band carrying on. And you.

know, you might say, well, if there if. there not enough people are listening, then you know, they're not good enough. But remember Rebecca Lucy Taylor who was. very very very close to giving up. And. she if you didn't have a certain. personality type would have done. So. you'd miss out on that stuff. You you. miss out on some amazing music. So if. you love your music and you can afford. to support artists, I say that's the. that's the best way to do it. Marina, a. question for you from Matt Buckler. Says, "I'm watching a panorama. documentary about rogue estate agents.". Oh, I didn't see that. I would love. that. Absolutely up my sleeve. >> Rogue estate agents. Yes, please.

>> That's another novel I'd like to write. >> That makes you Whenever people say, "Where do you get ideas for books from?". As soon as someone says rogue estate. agents, I'm like that. Come on. There's. some there's some good stuff there, isn't there? Uh, in the program, the. reporter has gone undercover as an. employee. I'm curious, does the. undercover reporter receive a salary. from the company they're infiltrating in. addition to payment for their work on. the documentary? More broadly, how does. remuneration typically work for. undercover journalists producing. content? >> Obviously, it's different depending on. who does it. Um, some would regard, in.

fact, most people doing these sort of. things, if they have the luxury of it, might regard keeping the money as. compromising from the company you're. infiltrating. >> But it's just not as cut and dried like. as that because for some outlets, and. there are lots of kind of small outlets. and freelancers who do these long. operations and they're not being paid. If it comes off and the investigation is. successful, then they might be paid. Um, and as we know, investigations are very, very expensive. Um, and so some.

freelancers, I spoke to a couple who. would say, if I'm trying to do something. like this, I will keep the money because. I've done the work. You are working for. the company. Otherwise, you're not. >> you've got to be a rogue estate agent. >> It's all right being for the BBC, you. don't need to keep the money. And in. that case, they wouldn't keep the money. And I'll explain how that works in a. minute. Um, but as I say, investigations. are very expensive. some outlets would. use it would offset it against the cost. of the investigation because you have to. stick around doing it for a long time. But I spoke to Simon Goodley from The. Guardian. He's infiltrated lots of.

companies from us and it's really Oh my. god. There's a chicken processing um. factory which he did um eight years ago. He still not go anywhere near. supermarket chicken. >> Really? >> Yeah. um he was the only one at minimum. wage level who could to be English and. the um the slaughterhouse foreman said. to him on his first day sorry have you. just got out of prison cuz there's no. possible explanation otherwise why he. would be there anyway that's a. particularly good one you can go back. and see all of Simon's greatest hits but. he says to me that he's always given all. the wages away he said otherwise there.

could be an argument that you attain the. money dishonestly and it's just not. worth having to fight that when you've. done this painstaking investigation so. he said normally after I finish working. in the warehouse or the factory or. whatever We approach the company and we. invite them to comment on our findings. and then we state we have net wages that. we will either reimburse to them or we. will donate them to charity. And he says. in every case he's been involved with. the company has opted for charity but. also I think it's quite difficult to. receive the money back. >> Yes. >> Um. >> anyway he gave some to a specific.

charity. Um one firm said can you give. it to this particular charity which you. give now Simon gets all these emails all. the time saying you were so generous. before. you. would you consider re donating again. >> to to save the chickens? >> Uh yeah. So um so that's that tends to. be what happens. Um you don't get paid. twice and you probably wouldn't want to. if you're in the luxurious position of. having a a backer that pays you anyway. Um but if you're a freelancer, there's. plenty of reasons why you might end up. um keeping the money or using it to.

offset the cost. But if you're a rogue. estate agent and just on day three you. sell like a house for a quart of a. million pound and you're on 2% of it. >> I think the deal is you probably are not. being another rotor. >> You don't just go in Richard as co-lead. You know this is not a buddy movie. You're probably the secretary or you're. probably just working in the office. watching, you know, you're writing down. the deals. You're. >> here's me. Here's me going into an. estate agency day one. >> Oh my god. You'd be brilliant at. undercover. I. >> you're so under you're so undistinctive. I know. >> Yeah. I it's a really lost calling.

>> Yeah. I go, how many can I just firstly. here's your desk. Secondly, how many. episodes of the House of Games do you do. in a day? How does that work? Um, no. I. reckon I could sell a house pretty. quickly if I if I went undercover to. >> I believe you could sell a house quite. quickly. >> If it was short staffed, which you would. hope you would assume a rogue estate. agency would be. >> Would you? Have you been to an estate. agent? >> I have. Yeah. >> I never feel they're very short staffed. or short of rogues in many ways, but. >> Wow. Is there anyone else you don't. want? >> I'm a journalist. We know what people. think of us. Yeah. >> Yeah. I reckon I could sell a house.

pretty quickly. >> Oh, I do. Not Not I I don't think I. could, but I think you could. >> And then I think I've got like five and. a half grand and I I'm going to give. that back to the Guardian. >> Yeah. >> I want We all know what they'll spend it. on. >> Okay. Again, I just feel that there's. You've just mentioned two jobs you. wouldn't be brilliantly. Guardian journalist and and be a bad. Guardian journalist. >> I wouldn't say you'd be bad at it. I. just I I I I just think it I don't think. it would be the perfect fit. >> I don't think Yeah, >> I don't think it would be the perfect.

fit. >> I can see that. >> Any anyhow, so that so that's the answer. to that one. Actually, undercover work. is really interesting in how they do it. all, but we'll talk about that. Someone. will ask another question about that and. we'll talk about how you how you do. undercover work and how you run one of. those another time, >> but you don't take your fees. You give. it you you give it back to the company. or they can. >> unless you're a freelancer and it's. very, you know, if you're mounting your. own investigation, then you've done the. work. You've don't forget you've done. the work. >> All right. I think that probably takes. us to a break, doesn't it? >> I think so.

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>> Very very good. >> She must have heard that so many times. >> Yeah. >> But maybe not that quickly. Cat. >> Yeah. Yeah. That was without a without a. beat. >> Okay. >> And I tell you what she's just been. doing just literally contemporaneously. to now. She's just watched The Narrow. Road to the Deep North on BBCI player, an incredible albeit harrowing watch. Throughout the series, the prisoners of. war lost enormous amounts of weight, and. I was wondering if the actors would have. had to lose that weight themselves, which seems appallingly dangerous, or if. they can achieve that look through CGI.

>> Well, there's lots of different um. tricks to do. There's all sorts of. movies you see where people either are. are much skinnier or much more. overweight than they normally are. And. there's lots of movies where they go on. that journey during the movie as well. And it tends to happen in lots of. different ways. So honestly, the usual. question, especially these days, if. you're either losing weight for a role. or gaining weight for a role, >> is am I going to get an Oscar for this? >> But a lot of it can be done these days. with needles. Either way, lose losing it. or gaining it, >> different needles, but uh that that can.

be done. But listen, that's um I'm I'm. sure that's not the way it's mostly. done, but uh that would be the easiest. way of doing it. Um there's a few. examples where where films do digitally. slim down actors. is much more um usual. these days than it used to be. So The. Martian, Captain America, they both used. uh like body doubles and head. replacements for uh for the scenes in. which Matt Damon and Chris Evans appear. malnourished. So there was no physical. they're not losing or gaining there. It's literally that's that's manipulated. in the edit, which is much easier to do. these days than it used to be. You can. you can hide things much more easily.

>> Something like, you know, a film where. people lose weight incredibly quickly. So Castaway would be a good example. So. Castaway, Tom Hanks Yeah. Lands on the. island and he over the period of that. film he loses 50 lb in weight. So he's. inc by the end he's incredibly. malnourished. And the way they did that. there's no trickery in that at all. >> other than he lost all the weight. beforehand. So Tom Hanks lost 50 pounds. before he started filming that and then. they filmed it in reverse order. >> Yeah. Orlando Bloom's got a film coming.

out where he he's he's still going. Um. they've he's got a film coming out where. he's done the same thing. >> Yeah. So the the very very first scene. of Castaway when he's at full fighting. weight is actually the last scene that. they did. So he he was able across that. film which must seem a lot of fun. He. was able to put on 50 lbs uh during the. filming which. >> gradually feeling less insane as. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> come out of starvation mode. >> which probably neatly fitted uh how the. film actually worked. Um lots of.

notorious examples of his actors have. lost a lot of weight. It's usually quite. grim how you know especially method. actress Christian Bale I think when he. was uh losing weight for the machinist. he he would he ate 200 calories a day. for 4 months not recommended for. >> oh dear. >> anybody but as you say Oscar bait. >> for women it was the other way you had. to put on the weight for the Oscar you. know you you've got to do a charie you. know brave you're you're so brave that. you made yourself. >> isn't this this beautiful woman looks. slightly less beautiful than she. normally does isn't she brave let's give.

her a actuette. Um uh but now there's. there's a a slightly more undercover. industry in Hollywood uh which they call. beauty work and there's absolutely all. covered by NDAs but it sort slightly. starts not really but but Benjamin. Button where there's an awful lot of uh. CGI work going on there with uh Brad. Pitt you know cuz he's having to use all. so many many different ages and weirdly. the bit where he's a baby is not the. hardest thing and the bit the hardest.

bit of that film is making him look like. a fresh-faced 20-year-old, but they had. all sorts of techniques on that. The. agents started going, "Wait a minute. How did how did you do that thing with. Brad?" And they go, "We can't we can't. really say." And they say, "Yeah, but. I've got a client. I would like you to. do that for my client." And they say, "What? Yeah, we can't tell you." Well, how about if I if we give you some. money, could you tell us? Oh, yeah. We. could we could tell you then. So, from. that has sort of sprung an industry. where there's all sorts of ways of. modifying bodies and shapes and looks.

and stuff. So these days there are many. many different ways of doing it but you. want to that thing of that kind of. castaway thing of that's how they used. to make movies. All of that is going to. go forever now isn't it? Because so much. stuff you can you can either do by CGI. or you can do at the end of a needle or. all of those things. But it's um. >> well to me the thing that always. fascinates me is just how many how many. trainers are now on the interview. circuit. And part of the big promotion. for a Marvel movie or a Bond movie or. anything like that is that you will have. a certain amount of interviews with the.

star in questions trainer and they will. literally give interviews and they'll be. put out by the film company as a sort of. particularly makes me not believe it. You're particularly like oh my god you. were just having so many steroids for. this movie weren't you? Well, that. >> and I have heard stories about people. I've heard stories about very famous. actors. >> who are just so unmanageable to deal. with as the longer the shooting goes on. because they know they're going to have. to do these scenes where they've got. their you know their top off or else. they're or you know they're sort of an.

action star and they're by this day. taking so many steroids that they're so. aggressive and impossible to deal with. >> And by the way, I'm sure there are some. people who get in incredible shape by. having great training and eating right. Listen, we're not accusing anyone. We're. not accusing anyone of anything, but. it's um yeah, I mean it's it's all out. there on the screen. >> It's unnatural if you if you look at. someone's body and just go, "Oh my god, I wish I could get like that." Well, you. can, but uh I'm afraid. >> you you unfortunately can't have a. cinematic career at the same time. So, you can't do both things. You can't be. shooting a movie and spend that long in.

the gym. So, something else is helping. >> Yeah. What could it be? What could it. be? Question for you, Marina. We move on. to Love is Blind. Okay. >> One of my happy places. Uh, Hazel, it's. quite a specific question. I'll say. that, but that's what we like. Hazel. Harrison asks, "Why on Love is Blind and. Love Island do they always have the. brushed gold opaque cups when drinking. alcohol? Is this because they aren't. able to show alcohol on the show, or is. it just trendy?". >> There is a big argument that people say, "Oh, they're always playing people with. alcohol on these reality shows." That.

that's not the reason. The reason is. quite simple, but it's become something. bigger. It's for continuity. and all the. shows. You mentioned Love Island, but. Love is Blind. All of those sort of. Chris Coen ch by the way. We should 100%. do a special on him at some point. because I think he's Chris Coen is the. sort of producer who's behind Love is. Blind, Perfect Match, Married at First. Sight, the ultimate. I mean, he is the. absolute king of modern romance reality. Yeah, he really interesting. They do it.

for continuity because in any scene like. that where you're editing in a kind of. non potentially a nonlinear way, we. don't know because you're editing. conversations so much of the time and. editing conversations is um hard because. we really can't sit through lots of. people's especially when they have been. given alcohol. So you need to make it. tight and the levels of drink going up. and down and well they shouldn't be. going up and down but they may well be. because of. >> so if you're having to put something. that someone said a minute ago after. something you've just said then because. it makes more sense for the.

conversation. It's easier for suddenly. you go hold on you had an inch of red. wine in there and now you got two inches. of red wine. >> and this is like you know 30 seconds. later. >> Yeah. I And it's surprising how many. films have made these mistakes in the. past. Like there's the deer hunter in. the wedding scene. They've definitely. got one of the cocktail which is about. drink. Well, it's not really about. drink, is it? It's not about drinks. It's It's a classic Tom Cruz ' 80s movie. about Tom Cruz. >> It's about a guy who has to grow up. >> Uh about a brash man. It turns out he. never did have to.

>> Yeah, he Yeah. Uh he never ever had to, but he Yes. So, and they've got. different levels. So, the Gold Cups were. invented for that reason. Um because you. can't you can't see through them. obviously. Um, but Chris Coen said he. actually really love loves the Gold Cups. now because they've sort of if you look. at Love is Blind and it's so interesting. because it's quite a sort of relaxed. format in lots of different ways and it. goes, you know, you you follow them to. different places, you follow all these. different conversations, you follow them. out, you know, they're out of out of the.

same locations. So there is, he calls it. a sort of connective tissue. They always. have a gold cup in their hand. So it's. quite helpful across things like that. But they've become iconic, the gold. cups. They're one of the items that are. the biggest sellers in the Netflix. store. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. The Netflix store is actually. quite interesting. And I was um having. having a look I was thinking, oh, I'll. have a look what else they've got on. because I I'm always fascinated with. things like Megan's Jam supposedly for. sale in the Netflix store. They didn't. even have a tab for her show. >> Really? >> Yeah. Because she's gone into a.

supposedly a product partnership with. them, but I'm afraid that will just sort. of peter out. But um yeah, they sell. really well. The Gold Cups. One of the. things is interesting is that that's. what people are saying about K-pop Demon. Hunters. It's like, "Oh, if only Netflix. had known that it was going to be this. mega hit. You would have a toy line.". They do have stuff like, of course, they. got t-shirts. All the stuff you would. sort of slightly expect, mouse mats, things that are easy and quick to. produce. >> Yeah, we should do some Thursday Metal. Club stuff like loofers and stuff like. that. >> Yeah. But a toy line and specifically. figurines, dolls, you need a much bigger.

lead in time, but they they are the big. sellers. And with all of those sorts of. things and particularly kind of um. Korean stuff, but also as we know Marvel. things whatever and to toy movies in. general, the toys themselves are make. you make unbelievable money for. merchandising. So that has been a rare. K-pop demon hunters related miss because. you just can't get a toy line on stream. that quickly. So you can't get dolls. into believe me, this is now going to be. a huge franchise that spins off a.

million ways and you're going to be able. to get the K-pop demon hunters. you're. going to be able to get your $100. eventually, but you couldn't at the. start. So, but that Netflix shop makes a. lot of money and the Gold Cups are big. big sellers in the Netflix shops. >> Again, as another example of turning a. negative into a positive, how how do we. get over this problem of continuity with. when people are drinking? Oh, well, how. well that's some stupid like gold. glasses and goes, "Oh my god, I love the. gold glasses." Same with every It's why. every TV show has their own mugs because. mugs you can't see what's in them and so. that can go up and down.

you'll never. drink all the way through. >> Okay, question for you from Russell. Yates um about shows clashing with each. other. Are programs such as Destination. X and Fortune Hotel intentionally. scheduled to clash with each other? And. if so, what's the reason for this? Surely them at the same time is an. disadvantage to both viewer ships. >> Yeah, it's it's always been the the case. as well, I think. Well, certainly these. days are much less important because. catchup is is is such a bigger deal. But.

so much of a TV company schedule is. already taken up with stuff that's on. all year round. You know, you know. exactly what's on. You know, you know. when your news is on, you know, when. Coronation Street is on or East Enders. is on. So, actually, when you look at. the real estate of television, yeah, the. the quizzes that are on all year round, when you look at the actual real estate. of television, it's actually quite. small. there aren't that many slots and. you know lot things are an hour long and. so it's it's you know the junctions all. tend to come at roughly the same place.

as well cuz you know ITB are not showing. a 15-minute show before fortune hotel. and neither the BBC so you know your. junctions are 7 7:30 8 9 10 you know. 10:35 after the news or whatever it is. so it it is just one of those things. that when you have a show like that you. will put it in one of the five slots. that it could possibly go in and often. that is the same one of the same five. slots that the BBC have got for their. new show and you kind of try to let them. sink or swim. If you get to the point. where you've got two hit shows, BBC and.

ITV kind of learn each other's schedules. about 6 weeks in advance, something like. that. And they you they sometimes. they'll try and avoid things and. sometimes they will deliberately place. things against other things because they. think we can. >> kill someone else's show at birth with a. show that's similar to it. But with. Destination X Fortune Hotel, that's one. of those things. It's not a huge. advantage for either of those channels. to place their show against. No, >> that other show because Fortune Hotel. hadn't done so crazily well that they. were going to bring it back and you know. blow Destination X out of the water. Destination X people didn't know if it.

was going to do well actually has done. rather well um by the end. So I I. suspect that's coming back. So it that. one I think is slightly coincidental but. a lot of it comes from either it is. deliberate because you're trying to. block a new show or it is coincidental. because the actual real estate of. television is actually a very small. group of slots that things can go in and. you know you you you have to put it. somewhere. >> Very good. I think that about wraps us. up although it is not the end of the. week because for our members we have a. very special bonus.

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