Are Brits Better Actors?

Hello and welcome to this episode of the. rest is entertainment questions and. answers edition. I'm Marina Hyde. >> and I'm Richard Osman. Hello everyone. Hello Marina. >> Hello Richard. How are you? >> I'm very well. We've got some really. really good questions this week. Can we. start with Louis Campbell? Yes. >> Who has this question? He says, "Can we. finally have the conversation that. everyone is too cowardly to have.". >> Okay, >> so that's always a that's a that's a. punchy way to start a question. That. better be good. He said, "It is summer. The sun is shining. The World Cup is on. I'm busy. The Odyssey is 3 hours long. That's too long to sit in the cinema.

for. >> Okay. >> It's a pro. It's a provocative question. >> It's a provocative question. Okay. >> Is the Odyssey too long? Quite famously. long. The Odyssey. >> First of all, it's 3 hours of air. conditioning. What's wrong with you? Second of all, I would say no. Of course. it isn't. It's an epic. There's some. Marvel films that I've seen and been. like, "Sorry, how on earth was that 3. hours 7? What a joke." But I hope is. lots of people will go out and see it. because I always I mean obviously part. of the reason we do this is because I. want to see and listen to and watch all.

the things that dominate pop culture. >> Yeah. >> The rest is entertainment is presented. by Octopus Energy. Now flowers Richard. are a very important part of show. business. >> and there is a reason we're talking. about flowers as always with Octopus. Energy. They do very interesting things. with their customers. We will get to. what they do with flowers, but yes, it's. sort of the currency that runs. everything. >> Yeah. I mean, in The Bachelor, it's. actually part of the format, right? The. rose ceremony. So, that flower is really. earning its money.

>> Yeah. Can you imagine the person, by the. way, there will be a rose wrangler on. that show who has to make sure that the. roses are absolutely perfect. That's. like that's a completely full-time job. >> Also a full-time job doing flowers for. Alson John. One of the great lines in a. court case ever when one of his managers. was accused of ripping him off and they. discovered in court that he'd spent. $293,000. on flowers in 20 months. QC was like, "Sorry, how's how's that possible?" He. said, "I like flowers.". >> Now, should we get on to Octopus Energy? They have a a sort of committed team who.

always look after your account. So if. you get an email from them, it is the. same people. But also, they get to know. you so well that sometimes they'll. understand if you're going through a. hard time. And what they will do is they. will send you flowers. >> It's not an apology. It's just because. someone was going through something and. they you get your flowers. Even if you don't like it or you think. it's too long, whatever, just see what. it tells us about our times. I don't. think you have to like these things, but. you have you should be interested in it. And I go and see if it's too long. If. you think it's too long and they could.

have lost 40 minutes then. >> Yeah, but by then you've had to sit. through it. >> if you but you should experience it. anyway because I tell you what this is a. direct because well I would go because. it's it will dominate our culture. I'm. definitely going to go. got you've got a. director whose name is bigger than any. star in terms of getting people into. theaters which is been problematic and. difficult and I mean it's forced this. ridiculous discussion which I sort of. slightly love between people like you. know Elon Musk who obviously doesn't. understand how literature and history. work and Tom Holland who who does but.

>> which which Tom Holland. >> not the one in it. >> Tom Holland you see why I was confused. >> but people who saying you know oh he's. this is an adaptation yeah you don't. understand how literature works. You. don't understand how arts and history of. arts work. And you don't understand the. history of your literature and the. history of art. >> Insanely good at catching spacecraft in. a way that I wouldn't be. >> No, but you okay. You It's the idiot. trifecta culturally. You honestly all. things derive from things, build on them.

on new versions of them, you know, >> but also you should be clever enough to. know that other people are clever than. you in other areas. >> Yeah. Yeah. That he's got some personal. growth to effect there, I would say. >> And also Elon Musk has as well, but. that's Yeah. I was I was pretending I. was talking about Tom Holland. >> I know. I know. But I But yes, so I I. know I don't think it will be too long. Um I'm pretty sure he knows quite a lot. about pacing and I will love to go and. see it. I'm really looking forward to. it. >> My my view would be if any film should. be three hours long, it probably is the. Odyssey. And if any director could be. trusted with making a 3 hours long film,

it is Christopher Nolan. So they put the. two of those together. Either way. though, I do sort of think any film. where your pick a mix runs out halfway. through. You know, if you'll pick a mix. on one, if you have your last cola. bottle and you just have like a sneaky. little look at your watch, you can. Sorry, I've got an hour and 40 left and. I have got no white mice. I I find that. quite difficult. I don't want to double. pick a mix it. >> No. No. Well, I mean there must be you. must have a ratio like if you're going. to see something quite short. >> Yes. >> No. I eat at the same rate. Whatever.

The pick and mix. Pick a mix at is. >> just buy more. Why can't you do the. maths? I mean, if anyone can do the. math, it's you. Pick a miss mix math. Why don't you just get enough for a. three-hour film? >> Right. If you think I'm not filling it. right to the top anyway, you're very. very very wrong. >> Well, then get two. >> I just crossing a bridge. >> I just think with the, you know, the. cost of that made Ingred carry one. So, >> I could she would not do that. >> I could honestly fund Odyssey 2 by two. pick and mixes.

>> Don't you think it's quite expensive. now? Well, it's a re it's a food court. with a a digital screening room. attached. >> Yeah. But yeah, I think it's okay to be. 3 hours long if it's Listen, we we may. come back in a week's time and just go, "Oh my god, Lou, you you're absolutely. right." But it is there's I think there. are few things better when it is really. really hot than going to the local. cinema during the day. It is air. conditioned. There's no one in there. Someone has spent millions of pounds. producing something just to entertain.

you. Uh and you can have a mint. chocolate chip ice cream. What more. honestly do you want? >> Yes, please. Yeah, I wouldn't have pick. a mix during the day. That's an e that's. that's an evening cinema snack. Really? But during the day, I'd have like a. little ice cream or something. >> Okay. >> And a bottle of water. >> Yeah, >> of course. >> Yeah, just in case you were wondering. >> I I was on Tinder hook. >> Yeah. Good. >> Oh, this you told me you were going to. answer this one and I like it. It's from. Chris Ellis. He says, "It often seems. like British actors are over represented. in Hollywood. Firstly, is there any data. to back that assumption up? And if there.

is, why do you think it's the case? I. struggle to understand why the UK would. consistently produce uniquely fine. actors. >> Yes, it it is. Funny enough, we were. talking about Disclosure Day the other. day and we were just saying it was. interesting because you know um you got. Josh Oconor in there. There's there's a. lot of British actors in there because. and then you realize they're pretty much. all British. Josh Oconor, you got Emily. Blunt, there's Colin FTH, uh Henry Lloyd. Hughes. There there's there's a lot of. Brits in that movie. So, I was thinking, oh, perhaps maybe it was filmed in the. UK and no, it was filmed in Hollywood. So, it was filmed in New York, in fact, I think. Uh so they've flown everyone.

over. So you you are definitively right. There are a huge amount of uh Brits in. Hollywood. And more to the point, they're not playing Brits. There's a. huge amount of Brits who go over and. play Americans. >> So obviously we have we share a. language. So there's that. But as to why. it is, I hadn't really given a huge. amount of thought. So I thought the. perfect person to talk to is an amazing. casting director, one of the biggest. casting directors in the business called. Tamara Lee Not Cut. And Tamara works. mainly in LA, but she is British. So I. thought ah I will ask I will ask um.

Tamara and she says something it hadn't. occurred to me before but of course it's. true. She said well look when the Brits. are coming over to um Hollywood the. actors she said Britain is is quite a. small industry and to make it as a. working actor in the UK actually you. have to be amazingly good because there. are far fewer opportunities. I said we. have this culture of uh theater as well. So actually by the time these Brits come. over to Hollywood they are so honed they. are so brilliant anyway they're. incredibly honed by you know doing.

theater or doing soaps Australians as. well by the way she said same thing so. they speak the language and they go over. there uh and they already have a skill. she lots of people come to Hollywood. >> without training they'll be working as. waiters and stuff like that and of. course it's amazing American actors but. actually the Brits come over they are. already the finished article so they'll. go into a read or to an audition and. immediately they have years of training. They've been on sets forever. They just.

they know what they're doing. She said, "So it's they're incredibly highly. valued in the UK." I said, "Is is is. there like an issue where they would be. cheaper than an American actor?" Cuz. sometimes people think that. And she. said, "I mean, maybe on your first job. if you're not repped by one of the big. American agents." She said, "But a, not. really, and b, if I want to cast a. British actor and an American show or an. Australian actor, there are so many. hoops I have to jump through in terms of. visas and in terms of working visas.". So, actually, you have to go out of your. way to cast Brits and to cast.

Australians uh in these things. So, so. it it's sort of the opposite. So she. said, "No, they just come over and they. are just unbelievably. brilliant because of the way our culture. is because we do have these theaters and. we do have weirdly we have things like. soap oper she's talking about uh when. the Australians go over and you know in. your own country if you've been in home. and away your neighbors you might. slightly be looked down on whereas in. America they genuinely go oh my god so. you you've spent a long time on set you. absolutely you're professional you know. exactly what you're doing and the craft.

has been honed as well so you know that. I I it had not occurred occurred to me. just that even to go over there in the. first place, usually you passed through. a school, which a lot of American. actors, a lot of American actors, some. do of course, a lot of American actors. have not had to pass through. So, you're. immediately at this incredible level. And I, you know, I was talking about. Widow's Bay on Tuesday's episode about. how brilliant it is. And, you know, the. star of that is uh is Matthew Reese, who's incredible, has been incredible in. American things for a long time. One of.

the co-stars is Kato Flynn, who's. another British actor. you absolutely. wouldn't know from the accent from. anything. She's done loads of theater. and again they just go over and they're. they're already brilliant. You don't. have to do anything with them. You don't. have to train them up further. You don't. have to show them how to act and work on. a set. You don't show have to show them. how to work with other actors. They have. done it all before. Uh so I thought that. was uh I thought that was fascinating. So thank you to Tamara Lee not cut for. filling us in. But also she loved she. loves talking about it cuz she was like. oh yeah that's yeah it's fascinating and. yeah we we we sort of rooted that out.

isn't it? Yeah. Makes you proud to be. British. >> Yes. >> She also points out, of course, that. lots of things like the Marvel films are. filmed in the. >> Yes. >> UK and so that that's sort of helpful. But the main thing is just is is the. sheer quality of the people who present. themselves. >> I would funny enough, you know, I said. that I saw the producer of Only Murders. at Wimbledon. It it it was so they're. filming Only Murders in London. >> There's a lot of Brits in it now. >> Oh my god. The cameos, I think, are. going to be off the chain. I'm I think. it's going to be very very fun. Question.

for you, Marina, from Shan McNeel. Given. that television and movies have been. able to reproduce audio and sound for us. for what over 100 years. When do you. think that technology will allow for. reproducing other senses for a more. immersive entertainment experience? >> Okay, that is a good question and what. people always think about when they. think about this is smell, which is why. it was the first thing that they ever. did. Smellvision debuted at the World's. Fair in which I think was the one in New. York in 1939. And there's these guys. called Mike Todd and Hans Labour.

believed that the sort of smell of stars. and the smell of what you were watching. could create this kind of primal atistic. connection with. >> true. >> Yeah. Sort of. >> Yeah. Yeah. But it it was a while until. something came out with it and they did. um there was a movie called Scent of. Mystery and it synchronized the smell. with specific scenes. So there was. roses, there was pipe smoke. Um, and it. had a hilarious tagline which was first. they moved brackets 1895, then they.

talked brackets 1927, now they smell. brackets 1960 about the movies. >> 1960. >> Yeah, that's but the the trouble you we. can see what the trouble with is. >> So they're just piping that in into the. cinema through the vents. >> The at the well the what part of the. trouble with it was that it didn't reach. back. So the people at the front were. like overpowered, you know, it's like. one of those things that in the old. Batman series, the Adam West Batman. series, when that green stuff comes out, the joke. So it was always on the verge. of coming back this thing. Theatrical.

release cinemas is struggling. And the. idea that you'd have to specially equip. theaters with it is very difficult. And. the biggest problem has always been not. the creation of the smell, but the. dissipation of it in time for the next. smell. >> And also the dissipation of whatever. smell is in the cinema anyway. >> You'll pick a mix. >> beforehand might pick a mix. We'll pick. we'll pick. >> but people but people eating you know. tacos or something. >> some things are so yeah they've now. created something called Olarama which. is kind of Oola.

yeah but that sort of VR and home TV. which where it might be more successful. they're trying to get into home. technology but smell vision gets so much. coverage because it's the most um. intuitive one in a weird way because I. suppose it is this primal instinctive. thing having said that What's much more. I think and what lots of people who. watch this sort of stuff think will. become bigger is haptic cinema is the fe. is touch and so you might have wearable. vests you might have um I mean people. say chairs that move again that's.

especially equipping theaters but if. people had wearables of different types. than the ones we have now and you could. watch the film with them or without them. either bring them from you know either. have your own that is much more doable. wristbands things like that and actually. if you go to somewhere with like an. extraordinary technology department like. sort of Harrods or Selfridges, you will. see these incredible gaming rigs that. are kind of cordoned off that you're not. really allowed to touch where people. which people wear so that they can be. immersed in the game and that's much. more likely that you might have. >> that's yeah that's it feels to me that.

it won't be cinema going down that. route. It'll be the world of gaming will. come towards you and people will start. making content for that rather than. filmmakers doing it. >> For sure. People will have rigs. People. there will be wearable things. you will. be able to experience the film with or. without it. Yeah. And they're they're. doing a lot on this. Anything that is. more immersive, they are they are doing. more. >> I just think if if 3D glasses didn't. take off, >> perfect glasses. Yes. Carry on. >> Uh then, you know, it's I think I think.

as you say for cinemas, which I. >> Well, no, you see we did that article on. metaglasses. Did you see like every. single advert on the tube now is. incredibly hot people wearing these. glasses. Metag people are talking about. them. >> Yeah. And literally no one is is quoting. you as calling them pervert glasses. As. quoting them as Kendall Jenner's pervert. glasses. >> Kendall Jenner. >> It's so weird. You would think that. >> it's Kylie Jenner's pervert glasses. >> It's sorry. Kendall Jenner's perfect. glasses. Something completely different. >> Uh Kylie Jenner's perfect glasses. Yeah, I would just have that. Kylie Jenner's. perfect glasses. Marina Height rest.

entertainment. That feels to me like an. open goal. >> Meta reach out. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah. So that I think that that is going to. become both at home and um because you. can see it's already so aspirational in. gaming and obviously there are these. rigs that cost like 35 grand or. something so that you can do it but. there are also much cheaper versions of. it so you experience some of this and it. will come down and down in price and I. think that that sort of immersive thing. will happen. I think smell vision. remains just around the corner forever. They used to do all sorts of like um. they used to do scratch and sniff.

sometimes on a TV guide in the states. where you you would for a particular. episode and you just scratch it while uh. while something. >> scratch it that that sort of thing. But. but the but but actually just trying to. wholly equip a theater is is a whole. different thing. >> Exactly. Let's go to a break. After the. break uh we have a lovely question about. stories you wish that had happened while. the rest of the entertainment was on. air. Stuff that happened before we we uh. started the podcast. What we would have. liked to have covered. >> Looking forward to that one. Okay. This episode is brought to you by the.

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apply. >> Welcome back everybody. Now, I have a. question about moral rights uh from. Daniel Steel. Maybe Danielle's boy. >> Daniel Steel. >> Yeah, Daniel Steel. Maybe Danielle's uh. son. I don't know. >> Or grandson. >> Um or Yeah, it could be. I've recently. been listening to We Solve Murders. ready for the new book, guys. It's. called We Chase Shadows, and it is out. on September the 15th. I'm dying for it. Okay, at the end of the recording, it.

says, "All rights reserved and the moral. rights of the author have been asserted. What is the difference between all. rights and the moral rights?". >> You know why I really wanted to answer. this question? Because very moral. person. >> Because I'm a very moral person. Well, two reasons really. I've seen those two. things on books my entire life. The I've. absolutely seen it. I've written books. with it. >> I've written in all of my books. It's. all there. Uh so firstly that and. secondly I thought well I have. absolutely no idea. I've never known and. I've always just oh yeah moral rights.

and all rights reserved. Uh and he's. absolutely right. Well surely if all. rights are reserves that that includes. moral rights doesn't it? Um so I I. listen I just asked my agent. Often in this show we've done things. personally. We've been through personal. experiences. Sometimes we know exactly. the right people. on this case, I. literally just texted my agent to say, "You know what, Daniel's right. What are. those things?" Yeah. Uh, and so, um, hello Juliet. Thank you so much for for. for replying. So, all rights reserved, which is the first one, that is just. part of the standard copyright notice.

that essentially says that's a business. thing that says we own this. Uh, you you. might be able to buy it from us, >> but you would have to buy it from us. So. that's essentially saying look every. single right in this to it being on. screen on anything like that it belongs. to us. So that's an economic thing. essentially if you if you want to do. anything here come to us and we'll talk. Moral rights however are the author's. rights. So that's my personal rights. which is the right. >> should anyone ever reproduce this in any.

way or talk about it. The right to be. recognized as the author of the piece. >> The right to be hunted down by me for. doing it to you. >> Yes. Exactly. or the the right to object. to derogatory treatment of the work. So. it can never be edited or adapted. without your permission. So it's it's. sort of your moral right to the words. that you have written and to what people. might ever do with that and for no one. ever else to be able to claim that they. wrote it. So it's to me uh Daniel I. don't know if you agree those two things. sound quite similar but they are legally.

very different but essentially the all. rights reserved is a business thing that. is purely. >> we own it. >> come to us for anything. >> come to us for anything the moral right. is simply for in perpetuity those words. were written by me don't mess with me. essentially I think is the thing so I. thought it was going to be a more. intriguing answer than that because as I. say I've seen it my whole life and I. thought although moral rights. Well, that's very intriguing. Uh but uh that's. all it is. It's on every single book.

ever. I've seen it for the whole of my. life. I have never understood it. As an. author, I've never understood it. There. will be lot that lots of authors listen. to this podcast. None of them will know. the difference between the two. They go, "Oh, A, I didn't know. And B, I still. don't really know, but I kind of I see. that they're sort of I see that they're. sort of different." So, thank you, Daniel, for uh and do say hello to. Danielle. >> for us as well. >> Is that helpful? >> I love it. Yeah. >> Marina Anthony Bellows has a uh has a I. love someone with a with a with a verb. as a surname.

>> Yeah. >> Is that a verb? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> It's the present tense of to bellow. Sorry if it's confusing. >> No, but I never know. Like verbs I get. them all mixed up. Uh Anthony Bellow. says, "Why aren't more horror films held. back for the Halloween season? It seems. like October would be the obvious time. to release them, yet many major horror. films come out in spring or summer. instead.". >> Okay, good question. Actually, that. weekend is really not good ever for the. North American box office because there. are lots of parties, there's. trick-or-treating. Last year, it was the.

worst weekend of the entire year in the. box office. And um if a okay if a horror. film is Halloween themed or coded in any. way then yes but get it out before the. weekend so that it has a because. remember horror films can stick around. quite a lot of times in the in the in. the cinemas because they build in words. of mouth. You know we have talked. talking films that build by word of. mouth something like obsession which. built and got bigger and bigger every. weekend. Horror is big all year round.

It has it is now, you know, it's a. hugely wellperforming genre. It is. absolutely in the mix with the big. titles. So, what you're optimizing for. is like the holiday audience rather than. the theme. So, you don't feel like, oh, I have to have it, you know. So, the. biggest title last year in horror was. Conjuring Last Rights. They released. that on September the 5th. It got just. shy of five $500 million. They did it. the weekend. So, that's the weekend. after Labor Day, which is one of their. big holidays, but it has a kind of big. halo that particular holiday. So they.

really went for it and they put it on. the schedule at a point where they. thought they could maximize money and as. you can see it was kind of incredible. Um so this summer this year you've got. summer you've got stuff like Evil Dead. Burn, Ice Cream Man, Insidious Out of. the Further. Those are all sort of July. and August things. Again, lots of people. will watch those titles. Then in October. what they've saved for it, you've got um. Other Mommy. That's going to be quite. big. I think that's Blumbhouse and. Atomic Monster, which is they release. under Universal Clayface. This is this. will be interesting because it's like.

the DC universe under James Gunn at. Warner. They're that will they're doing. a horror title so we'll see about that. And maybe Terrifier 4. Now, do you. remember we talked about Terrifier? Terrifier. Yeah. It it cost 2 million. and made 90 million. >> It's it's genuinely extraordinary how. often we're talking about these. lowbudget horror movies that go. absolutely crazy. >> Unbelievable. Yeah. So, you can see why. there is absolutely no need to keep them. around. There will be stuff there for in. October as I said there's those titles.

but there's absolutely no reason and. genuinely it's so big and it's such a. runaway success that they are optimizing. for the big holiday weekends to try and. get them out there for for audiences. So. it's it's thing about the health of. horror. >> Yeah. And horror and Halloween are not. necessarily the same thing. Halloween is. a very specific thing, right? And horror. is everything. Although we associate the. two. I always love every year that. Strictly still does Halloween. You think. that? I mean, once they've done the. monster mash once, what else have they. got? >> But yeah, but how how good have some of. the tree houses of horror been? I love.

the Simpsons every single year doing it. and it's they're absolutely brilliant. My children sometimes just go on a tear. and we'll only watch Tree Houses of. Horror on repeat for the old. Yeah, it's. I mean, and the guy who did Obsession. got his idea. Really? Curry Barker got. his idea from seeing a treehouse of. horror about monkeys poor. You know, again, >> Elon Musk, that's how it works. Sometimes art is based on other art. >> The end. >> Like when you saw the people go to the. moon, you think, I'd like to do I'd like. to do that, but in my own way. >> Yeah. Derivative bastard. >> You didn't You didn't go to the moon in.

the same thing. >> No, you built on it. >> Yeah. You go, "What? Sorry. Why are you. sending people into space, but they're. not Neil Armstrong?" Because you know. it's Neil Armstrong that went into. space. You seem to be sending completely. different people up there. >> Go and tweet that back at him and have a. nice. >> And also, oh, you sent a woman into. space. But it's interesting because all. the original space people were men. So. we're Okay, fine. Anyone can go into. space. He's so woke. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He's so spacewoke. >> Oh, Richard, I know you've thought about. this one. It's from Briany and it's.

about stories that got away. Are there. any big entertainment stories from the. pre-resters entertainment years that you. would have loved to have discussed on. the podcast as they were unfurling? >> Yes, absolutely. And and and mainly, Bry, I think it's because I always want. to hear what Marina's got to say about. something. So, I' I've tried to choose. ones where I thought I would be there's. there's a couple here that I would have. been fascinated to to go into, but a lot. of them are ones where I'm like, "Oh my. god, I have to hear what Marine has to. say about this." When something comes on. the news and you're like, "Okay, I'm. just going to sit across from Marina and. listen to uh listen to this." So, I've.

got a few of those. It's interesting. because with with uh our bonus episodes, sometimes we do get the chance to delve. further into stories which I find. fascinating. And a couple of these. actually, I think, oh, we should do. little bonus things. >> Yeah, me too. Tell me what they Um, I've. gone sort of I'm slightly sort of. starting almost just before we started. We just missed Will Smith, Chris Rock, which would have been really good. >> That would have been Yeah, >> cuz there's a lot there. The stories I. love are where there's about five or six. different. >> angles to it because you get to talk. about the the shock of what happened.

Then you get to delve a bit more into. Will Smith and into Chris Rock, a bit. more into. J. You know, it's it's it's a really. it's it's a world where you just think, I know I'll come into it from one angle, you'll come into it from another angle. We will never run out of things to say. about it. >> No, that's a really good one. I wish. you'd had that. >> And because two weeks beforehand, I had. met Will Smith on the Graeme Norton show. and I was thinking, "Ah, we're going to. be friends. I'm sure of it." And then, you know, so I would have loved to have. talked about that. I would have loved to. talk about any I like if something is TV.

based, I I I get excited. Um, Piers. Morgan storm off of GM TV and the whole. Megan Markle stuff. >> I'd have enjoyed that, too. >> I would have loved that so much. And his. amazing thing of saying, "Well, I left. the show at double the ratings I. started." go. No, on the day that you. threw a hissy fit, it had double the. ratings. Before then, it didn't. Uh, but. all of that cuz you get to talk about. again, you get to talk about Megan, you. get to talk about Piers Morgan, which is. always funny. You get to talk about. Morning TV. So, I would have really, really, really, uh, enjoyed that. And. also, he's the sort of person you can go. on a 10-minute absolute like.

eviscerating rant about and, you know, he'll be like, "Yeah, that was fun." You. know, okay, good. You know, some people. will take offense. I So, we could have. absolutely gone in two-footed on him. I. would have loved to talk about the Sony. pictures hack. >> Oh my god. >> Don't you think? >> I that Well, I mean, I'm sorry. That. would have to been a I mean, we should. do that as a as a fallout thing because. it's so interesting and how it changed. so many different things. That is a. really Yes, you're right. that this do. you remember that the North Koreans. hacked Sony because there was this Seth. Rogan comedy about um Kim Kim Jong-un.

Korea and about North Korea and they. hacked them and it was just this. unbelievably embarrassing explosion of. emails but so revealing and you know. when you just want to understand a. business which we're always trying to do. on this podcast you understood so much. about the stuff and so much about you. know Amy Pascal who was one of the. executives all of whose emails kind of. came out and she was a you know, she is. more of an old style executive to some. degree and you can see the rise of. franchise stuff. You can see all the. different things they were doing. The.

kind of so much information about our. business came out of that. >> If ever I hear the expression. unbelievably embarrassing explosion of. emails, I think that sounds like it's up. our street. >> So, I would have loved a very good one. I would have loved that. Uh I would have. loved uh Diana on Panorama. I think. would have been very interesting in a. way worth doing that now because we know. an awful lot more about how it came. about the machinations uh and you know. we actually history like gives you know.

makes makes that a a bigger story. Yes. In lots of ways. Uh and I thought just. I'll go back as far as I can. I would. love to and we should do it as a as a as. a special episode or or a series. uh the. history of the Sex Pistols because I. think that you know culture sometimes. it's slightly ahead of where a country. is going. >> and and I think the Sex Pistols. >> ushered in it felt like they ushered. something in but of course they didn't. the thing was happening anyway and they. were reacting to it quicker. >> so I love that about them but I love.

that how manufactured they were in one. way because of Malcolm McLaren and all. that kind of stuff which I find. fascinating but how unmanufactured they. were in another way cuz that's the way. that culture was going. I loved the hype. around them. I love how how they didn't. last particularly long. The stories. about I love the fact that you know you. got Sid Vicious and and Johnny Rotten, but you you've just got some guys from. West London in that band. >> who were just like cool musicians. >> One of my friend Paul Cook. Let's get. him in. >> Let's get him in because I.

>> he's he's very good at talking about all. this stuff. >> Yeah. I really I I find that era. completely fascinating about, you know, it's a real chicken and egg thing. What. came first, you know, the Sex Pistols. or, you know, just a new a new Britain. Um, and equally, funnily enough, it'd be. interesting to talk about Blair and. Catenia as well. Yes, I think that might. be. >> Oh my god, that would be that would be. absolutely brilliant. Okay, those are. great. I love all those. >> Let's do those thing. But thank you. But. yeah, it's it's absolutely one of those. things where I just think, oh my god, I. would I would love to get Marina's on.

that or something. I want to hear yours. >> We can both get our teeth into, but. we'll do some of those as as. >> Please. I'd love them. Those are. brilliant. Okay. I want to do all of. those. All right. >> I think that's us for today. >> Yeah, I think so. Thank you so much for. listening. As always, um for members, there's a the World Cup of UK quiz shows. which I know lots of people listen to. already and subject quite close to. Richard. >> It was we had a lot of fun recording I. did with Maisy Adam and John Robbins. It's it's really funny. and we discover. what is the greatest or most popular.

British quiz show of all time on that. Um, for everyone else though, uh, we. will see you next Tuesday. >> See you next Tuesday.