The Pat McAfee Show Live | Wednesday March 19th 2025

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our humble abode, the Thunderdome on. this March Madness Eve Wednesday, March. 19th, 2025. This program starts. now madness is on the horizon. And boy, it has already happened last night. Two. playin games in the first one. They. kicked off the entire March Madness, the. entire NCAA tournament. who's going to. punch their ticket to be able to dance. with everybody else. Well, it started. with St. Francis and Alabama State and. it was electrifying. Big shot after big.

shot, big defensive stand. There was a. couple like can't dribble a basketball. moment, but that is going to happen in. college hoops and inevitably the game. ended with a Hail Mary from Alabama. State. 6868 St. Francis ties it. You're. going to win. Uh-uh. Hail Mary full of. grace to take down a Catholic school. 7 seconds left. 7068 in the entire. tournament. Started off with a bang. It. was a fun watch. Lefco was in his bag.

last night. It's going to be great to. watch him from the tournament. headquarters. Can't wait to see him. navigate through all of the different. storylines. And then North Carolina, the. team that shouldn't have got in. Okay, you're talking quad one wins or not? Yeah. Bubba Cunningham, their athletic. director. Isn't that convenient? He's. the head of the selection committee. Ain't that interesting? You think he's. got any shake? Do you think they want to. make him happy? Well, I wasn't in the. room whenever it happened. Okay. West. Virginia gets screwed so bad their coach. actually just gets poached to Indiana.

University. West Virginia's in a bad spot. Men's. basketball. Women's basketball. Lookout. West Virginia women are about to go and. win this. And they're actually playing. TBD. That's how good they are. They. don't even know who they're playing. against. They don't even know who. they're playing against. You got to be. good to not even know who you're playing. against. That's a West Virginia women's. basketball team. men's basketball team. screwed by the selection committee and. then their coach leaves with their kid. Okay, that's good. Now, Indiana. obviously is a basketball haven, a place. that is historically known for hoops. I. mean, this state loves basketball. Now,

that's why Kurt Signetti goes down there. and wins in football and everybody. that's an IU fan goes, "We didn't even. know this was possible. We're we're a. basketball team. We're a basketball. state. We're a basketball school. Uh we. haven't gone anywhere really of. importance in basketball in a while. This football team comes in and ignites. a fan base that has been waiting to go. crazy for sports. Now they bring in. Dere. And I'm going to say this, he is. uh maybe public enemy number one right. now at West Virginia. Okay, Bob. Cunningham kind of got jot down a bit. Dere is now public enemy number one.

That's going to happen. This guy became. the head coach of West Virginia less. than a year ago. I met him at Rich Rod's. uh press conference. He was a cool dude. He was good conversation. thought he was. going to do some special things with. West Virginia and uh obviously him. saying that it was going to take. something special for him to leave uh. Drake to to go to West Virginia and his. opening press conference and talk about. building something special and all that. type of stuff and then leaving after one. year especially with what just happened. by the NCAA uh to the West Virginia. basketball team and how West Virginia. people are feeling to begin with. not.

very well received in the state of West. Virginia, you know, and Governor. Morsey's thinking about suing. Uh, you. know, maybe Indiana for a little. tampering because there was a Twitter. account on March 12th, 2025, IU. anonymous uh Twitter account that says. IU's already got a deal done with their. next coach. Media follow-up tweet. It's. the Breeze media follow-up. He's already. in transfer portal. Now, that could be. uh all [ __ ] That could be somebody. just taking a shot in the dark. But. there were stories and agendas being. pushed last night from the West Virginia. people that are making this guy an.

enemy. Okay, they this Dere guy is an. enemy in West Virginia. Uh with that. being said, this guy's a really good. ball coach, which is why everybody in. West Virginia is so bad. The West. Virginia basketball situation has been a. revolving door, you know. So to even be. in a position to potentially get screwed. in the biggest stub in the history of. the tournament, I think West Virginia. people are like, we're going in the. right hey, this is going in the right. direction with the right guy. So the. reason why they hate him so bad is. because of how good of a coach this guy. is. And uh you know, the more you think.

about it, especially with his boy coming. down here, still his year eligibility, didn't play a lot this year. Hold on. People were talking about that. a lot. Interesting. He's a he's a player. that he's a damn good player. And you. think about the way he coaches, the way. he operates, the way he talks, it's. like I think Indiana fans are really. going to like this guy. With that being. said, North Carolina shouldn't have got. in, but everybody that was talking on. the television on selection Sunday said. North Carolina should not be in this.

tournament. After the bracket got. released, they see where they're. playing, they go, they are going to beat. this other team though, that is. certainly in there. And they did. I. mean, they won by 27 last night. West. Virginia would have won by 28, but uh. North Carolina didn't make this thing. close at any point. And I assume, and we. talked about this earlier with toxic. table, at Tai Schmidt, at Boston Connor, the San Diego State Aztecs basketball. team was probably a bit frustrated, not. only this program, but a governor of a. state, how everybody was kind of talking. about it. Yeah, you assume the Aztecs.

are the team that's looking around like, hey, do we have to do this right now? you know, may maybe we wait until it's. the, you know, Elite 8 or something for. all the bitching and moaning for the. UNCC Tar Hills getting in because. they're the ones that had to deal with. it. They're the ones that had to deal. with UNCC not being able to miss a shot. And it's not like San Diego State. stinks, you know, at all. They, you. know, Ces big thing yesterday was, hey, look out. San Diego State can play. defense. UNCC put 95 on them. So, can. they play defense? Probably. But. unfortunately for San Diego State, you.

know, uh the entire country basically. told UNCC they still kept basketball and. UNCC said, "Is that right? And we're. going to go out and score 95 points, one. of the nation's best defenses." And now, you know, personally, I'm going to have. to go back. I typically write my uh. brackets in pen. Uh I don't with this. UNC team. They're probably going to go. to the uh Elite 8 final for [ __ ] They. might win national championship. Bigger. for UNC. And uh obviously obviously. we're part of that. Oh, we are we are. sorry. Wait, that is on Aztecs.

On us. That is that is 100% on us with. that, you know, notion there. They're a. hungry team. They shot better than I've. ever seen. This this North Carolina team. might be a team that you don't want to. dance with. Sure. So, I wonder what the. West Virginia team would have done cuz. if you start talking about quad one. wins, this North Carolina team, they. have any quad. What if we took quad? No. quads. Yeah. They had no barn. They had. no land. They had no quad. They had no. wheels. They had nothing. They didn't. deserve to get in. That's all they were. told. Hey, you guys stink against good. teams. Hey, in big games you guys can't. play. They're saying UNCC shouldn't even.

be in the tournament all week. That was. basically being said and uh they showed. up. Got some dogs on that team. It does. feel like feel like they got some dogs. and a lot of us are going to ask you who. a lot of people are going to ask like. hey how come all year maybe I was like. maybe they ignited something here and. became the best self and uh good luck. Shouldn't be in there but good luck. UNCC. What a show. What a show. That was. over very early. They were up 20 about.

six minutes into that thing and it was. like, "Okay." Uh yeah, this seems like. this is uh directed at somebody. And I. don't know if it was AI or not, but I. think in the locker room they were uh. they were okay letting people know like. not supposed to be here. You got an. angry team. We'll talk uh we'll show you. the conversation we had with Coach. Calipari of Arkansas. He tips off. tomorrow night. He will be joining us uh. on this program. We talked to him. earlier. It's like, you know, it's not. about what you've done. It's about who. you are right now. And uh who's hot,

who's up, who's ready to go, and is it. UNCC? Because of the whole world. doubting everything they're about. potentially. Good for them. One half of. the hammer Cowboys uh AP Ton is here. Uh. I know through Boston Connor's uh. gambling account, the underdogs now 0. and2 uh to start March Madness after. last night's affair. Yeah, the underdogs. are 0 and2. The unders are also 0 and2. Obviously, North Carolina almost covered. the over by themselves there. And then. that that just rapid stretch down the uh.

end in the St. Francis in Bama game. Like that one was was under until like. they didn't miss like the last two. minutes and 30 seconds. They like there. was there was a turnover or two, but. they didn't miss. They were hitting step. back threes. So both games went over. last night. Uh both underdogs did not. win. And that is the story of the. tournament so far as gambling is. concerned. Yeah, cuz normally a little. tight early, so not as many points. Maybe that'll be when the tournament. actually starts. Obviously, we have two. more playing games today, I do believe. Can't wait to watch the boys get after. it, especially after how last night's. games went. I mean, this Alabama State.

St. Francis game was awesome. Had no dog. in the fight at all. But when you're. watching, it's like, I like both these. teams kind of the way they're playing, the way they were answering. And then. obviously it ending with a Hail Mary is. uh such a wonderful way to start. Is. that a sign of what this tournament's. going to be like? Ming. Is that a sign. of what this particular March Madness is. going to be? Or is the North Carolina. game the uh sign of what this. tournament's going to be? Because that. was literally the two sides of the coin. There we have a thrilling, electrifying, hail mary actual uh winner. And then we.

have a blowout from the beginning of the. game. And that's March Madness, baby. This is March. That this This is March. This is March. This is March. This is. March. It's not anarchy. No, it's. college. College basketball. This is how. left go last night in his. bag. Bag point right there. He was in. there. He was dishing Jaylen. Coach. right. Who's to the right there? Oh god. I watched it and I do not remember who. it was. I was coach. I think it's an old. coach maybe. It's an old coach. I just.

forget his name. He's to the right. He. had a lot of thoughts. Jaylen on there. was uh fresh air always. Great. Jaylen's. always going to have fresh cut. And then. coach right down there. showed the. replay of the Hail Mary and Jaylen's. like oh screaming and Jay Wright's just. like looking down at the screen here and. uh then they showcased whenever his team. I guess if Villanova hit a gamewinner uh. and he just was on the for the national. champ and he just didn't even just like. kind of kept it cool or whatever and Jay.

Wright said I was looking at the clock. to see how much time was left it's like. always coaching and uh these guys got a. tough task a lot of teams a lot of. stories a lot of players a lot of consp. conspiracies. Mhm. So, uh, good luck. keeping it all on track, boys. And we. also need to learn about all these guys, too. So, if a little piece of. information drops out of the mouth, too, that's obviously very welcomed. They. will obviously pull it off. Seth Davis. was the other one. Seth Davis, I know. Seth Davis Hoops on the internet. That's. him. Yeah, correct. Okay. Okay. I should. have known that. That's on me. Great. show. I appreciate it. I was watching.

last night throughout it all. Kicking. off a wonderful time in the sports. calendar, March Madness. We'll be off. tomorrow and Friday because we'll be. watching the games just like you will. be. That's what we've learned in the. past. Mhm. We are. screaming in an empty room when we are. doing the show during March Madness. Yeah. People are either watching the. games and our voices in the in the. background or we're doing a show about. something that isn't college basketball. and all we're doing is watching the. games right here. So, just for the good. of all parties involved, there is.

something to watch tomorrow during the. afternoon and it'll be electrifying. And. let's learn about some of these teams. Maybe, you know, like American. University tonight needs you to do it. Yeah. Need American to go on a run. Mhm. 2025. We need that to happen. They will. Xavier Texas. It's like hard for me to. just believe Texas just going to let. that one be an easy yacht, you know, especially in the big moment in prime. time. Is Xavier ready for it? We shall. see. And uh we're excited for March. Madness. We can't thank you enough for. allowing us to do this for a living. We'll be watching the game tomorrow at a.

pretty sick place. Oh yeah, I think it. should be good. Great time. I think it. should be good. We're going to enjoy the. beginning of March Madness just like. everybody else is. And remember, you. don't have to work. It's March Madness. Well said. Joining us now, ladies and. gentlemen, from a completely different. world is the NFL. He's known as the. combine and draft guy because he watches. film of every single human that plays. college football. He's moved the stitch. He's currently down in Dallas for the. Big 12 Pro Day. Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah. YJ,

how are you, bud? What's up, boys? You. want to see what we got here? Sure. Hold. on. Yeah, sure. So, we get Jerry World. What's going on there? Yeah, we got uh. we got Big 12 Pro Day like you. mentioned. So, we're going to be on here. three hours on NFL Network, so we'll. have uh all all of that covered for you. here. So, it'd be fun. I believe that. starts in about 18 minutes or so, or. maybe even longer. We appreciate you. taking time. Is this something uh the. players that weren't invited to the. combine now basically have a Big 12. combine? So yeah, just like it's just traditional. pro day where we used to go out to all.

the schools and you know the guys that. were at the combine have their choice. whether they want to work out or not. Uh. and then the guys who didn't get a. chance to work out uh get their chance. So instead of you know going to Waco to. Baylor and and and going to Fort Worth. to TCU and and West Virginia everywhere. else they just all uh they all combine. here in uh at the uh Star here in Fris. So it's a good chance for scouts to do. everything all at once. West Virginia. doesn't have a proday. No, none of these guys do. It's part of. the part of the deal is just with the. Big 12, they wanted to make it one big.

event. So, we've got three hours of of. coverage of this thing for two days. By the way, who's coaching your. basketball team, Pat? Oh, jeez. Shut up, DJ. Okay, I don't need to hear that. right now. And you know, you know that. that UNC team who won by 27 last night. did not deserve to be Let's Let's talk. about uh some ball, shall we? You just. put out your third mock draft, I do. believe 3.0, and it seems like you and.

everybody else that's mock drafting have. the first four the exact same. Is that. because you're all getting information? You're all seeing the board the same. way. Why do you think the front or the. beginning of this draft is kind of. settled in seemingly? Yeah, I I I don't know. I I don't think. there is, you know, broad consensus. right now. I think probably more of a. coincidence that we end up having them. uh where we have them at this point in. time. So, uh, I I just Cam Ward going. number one is something when you're. talking to people around the league that. that just has become more of the. expectation. I do feel good about that.

Um, you know, whether that's Tennessee. or whether that's, you know, two or. three trying to move up to that first. spot, but that's the one that I feel the. most confident. Um, after that, I still. think it's, you know, it's pretty up in. the air. I with Cleveland, I just was. going through the different. conversations that you would have inside. the draft room and I was thinking, you. know, look, I've been in those where you. say, okay, would you rather have Shadur. Sanders at two and and maybe like Nick. Scorton, an edge rusher from&M in the. second round or would you rather take. Abdul Carter and then maybe, you know,

one of those next tier quarterbacks in. the second round? And I thought, man, the allure of Abdul Carter, what I think. of him, as you know, um I think he's the. best player in the draft. and then to. come back with whether that's Jackson. Dart, Tyler Shuck, your guy Will Howard, whoever you, you know, you like in that. second tier, uh, that could be an. option. I I mean, I do think the Browns. and the Giants leave the second round. with a quarterback. It's just a matter. of whether they take him at the top of. one or or whether they take him in round. number two. Okay, so let's talk about. the Browns a little bit. I think Tone. read yesterday, it might have been in. your mockup or somebody else's. The.

thought of pairing Abdul Carter and. Miles Garrett together on that defensive. side is certainly a winning uh recipe. for defense. You know, if you can get to. the quarterback, disrupt the quarterback. and take over games on defensive side, obviously you can win. Now, if they're. able to get a young quarterback as well, somebody that they like that they think. they can win, it's like look at the. Cleveland Browns trying to balance and. battle while still having to do the. entire Deshun Watson contract, maybe. they'll be able to pull it off. Okay, so. we got Abdul Carter potentially teaming. up with Miles Garrett. Good luck AFC.

North offensive lineman and. quarterbacks. Now, let's move to a. couple of the other picks because we. know you don't have a lot of time. Connor has a question for you. Yeah, DJ. Travis Hunter at four. Obviously, as a. Patriots fan, that's exactly what I'm. hoping for, especially with how free. agency has gone for New England when it. comes to weapons. But one of the things. with Travis Hunter a lot of people have. been talking about is, hey, he can play. corner and then maybe come in for the. red zone, uh, get a few snaps at wide. receiver. I was kind of hypothesizing. that, you know, maybe he's a full-time.

wide receiver number one and then comes. in on the red zone on defense, kind of. locks one guy up. Is that something. teams are talking about and making him. wide receiver one and then using him on. defense and, you know, a couple man. packages? And also, uh, do you see him. to New England like, can I buy the. jersey tomorrow? What do you think? Well, if he does get there, I don't. think he gets by your guys. So, uh, that. was, you know, I think if you're a. Patriot fan, you're hoping these two. quarterbacks go before you pick and then.

you're either going to get one of those. guys. You're going to get Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, um, elite elite players. I. think with with Travis, it's it's the. unique part about him, the special part. is it's different for different teams of. how you'd use him. I I do think it's. easier to major in defense and minor in. offense, but looking where the Patriots. are at corner and where they are at. receiver right now, if if he were to go. to that specific team, I think I would. say, "Look, you're you're full-time. offense and we'll find some spots for. you, whether it's some third downs, you. know, different packages and and we'll. sprinkle you in on defense." But I don't.

know how you look at Drake May and say, you know, this guy that we got who's. better than anybody else at the position. on our team, we're only going to use him. part-time. I don't think that would make. sense. Yeah. And if you're a special. talent at catching the ball, which he. is, and getting open, which he is, and. understanding football, which he is, you. know, it's a good weapon to have on the. outside. But to your point about. sprinkling him in on defense, this has. been Connor's kind of pitch here cuz you. got him, Gonzo, and and Carlton Davis. that they just gave. That's what I'm. saying. And Carlton Davis. So if you got. red zone or third down, you can kind of,

you would hope clamp three people. And. then with the running world that we're. in right now, that is a and VBO. understands this more than maybe anybody. because of the way he was uh used at in. New England of it all. It's like I like. that play a lot. Especially with Gonzo. and Carlton Davis, like you assume. because of how good Travis Hunter is at. catching the ball, you kind of try and. make teams throw it his way. Like you. can just leave Gonzo on his own. You can. double whoever Carlton Davis is on and. it's like, "Okay, try and throw it on. Travis Hunter and if he's as good as he. is." Yeah. Maybe he's not that good.

Maybe that's why. Exactly. Maybe or. maybe he ends up with, you know, five, six picks in the red zone this year. Okay, let's move away from this. Uh Tai. has a question for you. DJ. Yeah, DJ, I. know that you have Jackson Dart going 21. to the Steelers, but a lot of other. mocks and, you know, draft analysts have. had him really rising up boards and. going in like the top 10, top 15. Do you. think that's going to be something that. we kind of see as we get closer to the. draft? What are the odds that Jackson. Dart actually goes at like the the top. half of the first round?

Yeah, I I I I think it's up in the air. I don't think anybody knows, but it it. is interesting this late in the free. agency process that you have a couple. teams out there um with with glaring. needs at the quarterback position. So, Pittsburgh at this point in time, if. they don't get Aaron Rodgers, um I I. think they got to do a lot of homework. on these guys, whether that's, you know, Dart, Tyler Shuck, whoever. Um but I I. just can't see them going into the. season with just Mason Rudolph as as. their guy. I you know to me that's why I. ended up putting dart there assuming.

that Aaron Rogers doesn't end up in. Pittsburgh and even if he does I mean I. don't know how many years that's going. to buy you u if you if you love one of. these these quarterbacks go ahead and. take him anyways but uh you know I don't. have him as a top 10 player I think he's. like you know in the 30s or early 40s on. my top 50 list but uh you know when. you're a team out there and he's better. than what you got he's going to go he's. uh got the moxy too I think you know. that is the more we watch of Jackson the. more highlights we watch, the more we. like him, I think, as an NFL QB. And.

maybe it reminds me of Herz, man. That's. that's my my comparison, which is kind. of off the wall. It's kind of weird, but. with Jaylen Herz, he got better every. single year in college. He was athletic, he was smart, he was tough, and you're. kind of just betting that it's all going. to continue on that trend line, and it. obviously hurts it's gone that way in a. big way. Um, but that's kind of the, you. know, that's the thought process. If. you're a Jackson Dart team, that's what. you're hoping for. Good luck to all. parties, including Jackson Dart. They do. uh all these schools still have their. prodays left like Jackson still has a. proday and when is proday season.

starting today? Yeah, Alabama's today. I. heard Milro is going to run too. So I'm. curious to see cuz he looks fast as heck. when you're when you're watching them. play. So I I'm I'm wondering if he gets. under 44. That wouldn't shock me. Oh, Melro running 43 something would be. bananas. By the way, the Cowboys do it. right, man. The coffee even get the uh. they they brand everything around here. Yeah, the building is very nice, too. I. know it's been built now a little bit. long ago, but the upkeep and the. professionalism. Obviously, that booth.

is the best booth in every stadium that. there exists. Well, this is but this is. like the star. So, this isn't like their. main stadium. This is just that other. smaller stadium where they play high. school games in here. Uh, all kinds of. different events. So, maybe I'm guessing. maybe 10 maybe 8 to 10,000 seat little. place here. Look, you want more shot at. it here? Here you go. Yeah. I thought. that was actually Jerry World. You're. saying that's a that's a that's a mock. Jerry world. What the heck? Still little. Jerry. Yeah, it's a little baby. It's a. It's It's a little baby uh baby Jerry.

World. Steven's world. Is that um Is. that where they practice? Um I don't you know I don't know that. I. don't know if they do practice. It's. right It's you know it's in Fris. So. it's not near the stadium. It's in a. total different area of town. So um the. business Yeah, it might maybe this I get. you know what I bet you this is where. they practice. When they did Hard Knocks. here that year they were in here. Yeah, I'm getting the thumbs up. Rhett Lewis. gave me the thumbs up in the back that. they do. Oh, Rhett. Uh, you tell Rhett. old Indiana's getting a good ball coach. A good basketball. He said you're. getting a good basketball coach at IU.

Shut up. That's what he's doing to me. I. like IU people. I married into an IU. family. This is an interesting. situation. Hey Rhett, you tampered. allegedly. Okay. I don't like that at. all. Uh, a lot of tampering charges, Rhett. A lot of tampering charges. Allegedly. Allegedly. Please make sure. make sure you say allegedly. Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly. Thank you. That is very important before. I'm not. trying to get you in any hot water. Well, yeah, we'll see. On this. particular program, it seems like it. happens more often than not. Uh Tone. Diggs has a question for you here, DJ. Yeah, DJ, we're looking at your mock.

yesterday and we were talking about. offensive linemen and we saw Will. Campbell, you know, in yours and a. couple others. Uh potentially falling. 210 or out of the the top 10 and you. have Membu going seven, but just four O. linemen total, I believe, in the first. round. There was eight last year, four. in the top 14 last year. Is it just a we. we were speculating. Is it just a down. year for offensive lineman or is it just. that the other positions are that. there's more talent other positions too. this year? Yeah, I would say it's a. little bit of a down year. Um but there.

are some names that just missed, you. know, towards the bottom of that mock. draft that, you know, we could easily. see a couple more guys pop in there. So. I I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't say. that it's going to be a firm number. where we are there. I could see a couple. more guys, but no, in terms of the high. end, um, no, it's not it's not where. it's been in in years past. And with. Meimu and, uh, and Will Campbell, I I. think that's, you know, that's going to. be split. You're going to have half. teams have one guy, half have the other. Uh, but it's hard to get out of your. mind what you saw with Meu, watching him. run and move around at that size. Uh,

how young he is and someone, you know, if you're the Jets and need a right. tackle, like that's what he is. He's. plug and play, you know, coming off of a. regime that came over with Aaron Glenn. from Detroit, taking a right tackle and. pane Sul and and off to the races they. went there. So, that one made a lot of. sense to me. Yeah. Offensive lineman, uh, that's why they're potentially why. so so many offensive linemen paid, you. know, guys we never heard of because of. potentially they don't get to the. market. Bingo. And also draft class, you. know, that kind of all goes handinhand.

with free agency and draft class. You. know, what do you need? What is. available? Who and where is it available. at? Jaylen Milro just ran his 40. Uh, shout out to the Next Round at Next. Round Live here in Alabama. He looks. absolutely jocked from a couple of the. videos that I watched. I eyeballed it. I. don't know if we're anywhere near a 4-3. Oh, I taking the over. Anywhere near is. obviously Yeah. You know, 443. Yeah. 45 to a 4-3 is obviously in.

person. I'll text you. I'll text you. within the next 15 minutes and get you. time from somebody there. He is so. jacked. Oh my god. Here's his second 40. here from the side. Go back so we can. give the credit to the people that. toilet. This is from Henry Scolar. He looks like a tight end. Yes. That. doesn't look it out. He's covering. ground though. He's covering ground, Pat. Okay. So, what are your guess there. on watching that? Eyeballing that. Eyeballing it on grainy Wi-Fi that I'm. on. I'm going to go with uh 49. 449.

I think that's probably a pretty good I. have no idea. Literally in my Wi-Fi just. like Well, us too. Yeah, it's kind of. it's a world record right now. I think. uh in my head it's like that looks like. a 45. In my head it looks like a four, but there's no way Jayen Milro is. running a 45, you know. So like what you. said there is probably the right Yeah. 448 449. He's in the four fours cuz he's. Jaylen Milro in my mind and where I've. seen him on the field. But it didn't.

look like that was a four three anything. four1, you know, 44 flat right there. And we sound like [ __ ] cuz that is. very fast nonetheless. Uh any other. storylines we need to be talking about. DJ? Anything you're hot on? I'm I'm. anxious to see what happens with the. receivers, man, and how they come off. the board. I think there's a lot of. discrepancy, you know, talking to people. around the league of how they have these. guys stacked. I'm a I'm a Matthew Golden. fan. Um, you know, him running 429. didn't hurt from that standpoint. I. think I is going to run faster than.

people think at his proday. Um, McMillan. had his pro day the other day and uh. times, you know, everybody I talked to. 453, 456 um in that range. So, I'm. curious to see how those guys end up. coming off the board when it's all said. and done. Yeah, DJ, I had because I. heard you uh and Bucky talking about. Tech McMillan and what would he run? Is. that 453? Is that like do you think. that'll hurt him or people watch the. tape and they're like, "Okay, that's. cool. We can take him where we thought. we would." I I think it was a little bit. better than what the expectation was.

So, from that standpoint, it's a. positive. But I always tell people that, you know, saying where these guys are. going to get picked is not the same as. saying what type of career they're going. to have. But historically, you know, guys that run in the fours, I think the. last receiver to run over a 45 and be. picked in the top 15 was Mike Evans in. 2014. Um, so, you know, it's just that. that you you no question but it's been a. while and historically teams don't take. guys um that high in the draft that. don't have the supporting time. So it's. getting different as the longer you do.

this and the more GPS is involved and. everybody has all their play speed, you. know, in-game numbers. Um that that I. think will start to change, but that's. the the recent history that we have. Yeah. And obviously those comps are. certainly a necessity to deciding. whether or not somebody's going to have. success or not. Uh let's go back to. Jaylen Milro's 40s. first one, uh, SEC. Network was saying he was in between 45. to 452 and then his second run was 444. between 444 and 446. So, he ran like a I.

think if you average those out, Pat's. probably the time that I gave. I mean, I. don't have a great day. It's not a. hobby, Pat. It's not a hobby, buddy. Have a have a great day down there at uh. the Baby Star. And make sure you give. these Big 12 guys love. I don't love. that we don't have individual pro days. Wow. Crazy. I How long's this been. happening? Oh, wait. Shadur and Travis. working out there. Uh they're here. We're going to have them in the booth. tomorrow. I think we're going to have. Shadur and Travis in the booth tomorrow. Coach Prime's going to be here, so we'll. visit with him. Um so cuz I just assumed. Shador was going to do a pro day where.

it was going to be Yeah. He's not he's. not he's not going to be working out. here, but tune in for the interview if. you do me a favor. We appreciate Can't. wait for your questions, man. It's your. ladies and gentlemen, Move the Sticks, host of the Big 12 Pro Day on NFL. Network and the Combine, Dana Jeremiah. Thank you. No offense to this particular. conference, but that's some Mac [ __ ]. That is legit. For sure. Not having your. own pro day. At least people will watch. tomorrow. It's like 1:00. Nothing's. really going on. It's perfect for a pro.

day. Yeah, it is a good time to schedule. it. Yeah. What is the deal? That's why people. care. It's just different in the Big 12, baby. I understand that like the ability. to get everybody in front of scouts is a. good play for the entire conference, you. know, but it does sound Mickey Mouse. that scouts won't travel to your school. to come watch you do your thing at your. thing. Like how are these, you know, all. these workouts we see that are. choreographed now, these pro days are. all happening at their school because. like that is their place with their. people and everything like that. So West. Virginia said we don't need that. Big 12.

say you guys don't need any comfort in. any of these things. You need to go do. it with everybody else. Yep. Just like. at the combine where you didn't know any. of these people, you're doing it again. It's like what is the I don't love that. Uh Alabama football said it was 437. Okay, I love it. Okay, I like that too. Okay, congrats. That had to be the. second one. And congratulations to. Jaylen Milro running into 43s. Hell. yeah. We got anywhere from 444 to 446 to. 437. And then the first one was I think. he maybe didn't hit it as clean. So 437.

Alabama was saying okay which once again. if you watched him play football would. make sense. No doubt it would be like. okay yeah if they would have said this. was 4-32 before we watched either of. those 40s would have been like yep yep. that that is Jaylen Milro because when. he's on a field he is fashioning. everybody. That is just how it goes. Which is why, you know, the quarterback. conversation is an interesting one. because with the ball in his hands when. he's running, he is very strong. He is.

very elusive and he's faster than. everybody on on the field. So, it's. like, how can we get the ball in this. guy's hands, you know, while he tries to. develop as quarterback if that's what. they're thinking? And I don't like. having this combo, especially because. people were saying around Lamar Jackson, not us, but people were saying that. about Lamar and what Lamar has become is. top passer, one of the top passers in. the entire NFL. So, it's like I I would. never but there's not a lot of Lamar's. out there, you know? Like Lamar is a.

incredibly talented oneofone type. athlete and player. So, it's like what. does Jaylen Milroe want to do? Does. Jaylen Milroe only want to play. quarterback? Does Jaylen Milroe want to. potentially explore other options to get. on the field while also developing as a. quarterback like Taesm Hill did? You. know, like there is there's a lot of. opportunities I think for a guy that's. this athletic because just saying he's. not going to be an NFL guy because he's. not an NFL quarterback at this moment, I. think kind of undercuts the thing that. this is an NFL athlete. Like this guy is. an NFL football player. Like no.

questions asked, he's an NFL football. player. So it's like what ends up. happening with Jaylen Milro will be a. funny a fun story to kind of follow. along with. Well, and if he goes. somewhere where he doesn't have to start. right away, like Lamar has gotten better. every year he's been in the NFL. So, you. know, I mean, if he has the opportunity. to to sit behind someone and he just has. a couple packages, like you said, like. this is a guy who could rush for a 70. yard touchdown at any point in a game. So, it's like it's not like you're. asking him to go out there and throw it. 30 times to beat a team. if he gets the.

opportunity and he continues to get. better like that. A couple. packages packages and those packages, you know, they start having success. Mhm. We just keep that package. Exactly. But you just keep that package in here. Kind of. I'm happy that Jaylen Milro ran. fast there. Yeah. That first one did not. look fast. The first video that we saw. looked like he was jogging. That didn't. Yeah. And at the end he was just kind of. cruising. It's like if that's Jaylen. Milro running at his full speed, that's. even more dangerous that he's just. cruising like it was just no problem. Second one, I guess much faster. 437 is.

what Alabama's saying. Shout out to. them. It's It's all. Maybe they have the laser though. Maybe. they're the ones that are like, "You. guys are all wrong." Maybe that is. different thumbs. But a lot of those. guys uh that are on the 40, they've been. doing that for like 50 years. The guy. that was at the specialist combine, he's. literally been doing hang time for. kickers and punters for I think 40. years. Legend at combine. Still got it, by the way. Oh, yeah. Still got it. The. thumb's important. Who's on the clock's. important. Alabama saying 437. And if. you watch him play football, you'd say,

"Yeah, I agree with that." Did you see. who we had dinner with last night? He. was mean with the Steelers. Coach. Tobble. You got Mason Rudolph over. there. Do have Mace. Okay. Rogers ain't. going to like that. I know that. First Cam Hayward, now they're meeting. with quarterbacks. Uhuh. I don't think. so. Okay. We don't know if any of that's. true. Could be. What we did hear this. morning was the Minnesota Vikings will. not be pursuing Aaron Rogers. kind of. been I think what is being understood as. the holdup in this entire combo is maybe.

a once we have heard nothing from Aaron. Yes. Okay. Is Aaron still want to play? We have no idea. We'd assume by now he. would know if he wanted to play. You. would assume but that's a massive. decision for somebody that's committed. his entire He's 40 plus years old. He's. committed his whole life to football. I. mean this would be the last like that's. a massive decision to have to make. especially for the last team you're. going to play for if that is what he's. contemplating. And then as it continued. to roll out, it was like Aaron is. literally uh trying to see what all the.

options are like. Are the Minnesota. Vikings an option? And if they are an. option, does that change a conversation. at all? He said he's open to anything. attached to nothing or open to. everything attached to nothing. It seems. like from what Tom Pelisero is saying is. the picture is getting a little bit. clearer now. Cam Hayward said, "You. either want to be a Steeler or you. don't, dude." And it's like Cam, have. you talked to Do we know if that's what. Aaron's uh thinking? But the way it's. been reported by the insiders who want. the deets, they want the news, they want. to break it, they want to do that whole. thing, they want to put a notch on the.

scoreboard, which that's their business. literally and uh do what you got to do. But Aaron hasn't said [ __ ] Like he has. not said anything. And then Sheff said. people close to him uh uh are saying. he's like nobody close to Aaron really. says any. If they do say it, it there's. a chance Aaron does complete opposite. because something got and the person. that leaked that is gone forever. Like. there's not a lot of people that are in. the Aaron circle that have any idea what. has happened and we only know that. because we've been on this ride for the. past five, six years, you know, and we.

have no [ __ ] idea. So like AJ, I. don't even think knows, you know. So. this is uh it's all very interesting. with Aaron. Always is, always has been. But allegedly, seemingly Tom Peliserero. is reporting that the Vikings are at on. the pursuit of Aaron Rogers. So maybe. the picture does come into a little bit. more focus uh for Aaron Rogers. Yeah, we. were we were always talking not from. knowledge but just guessing kind of what. Aaron would do and and that's always a. dangerous game. Um, but this feels like,

you know, not another teen movie where, you know, the Vikings were the bell of a. ball and that's where he wanted to go. and the Steelers are this girl just. sitting back who always wanted him, who. always loved him were sitting in the. back of the class always. I There was. like a day or two and then all of a. sudden we ain't got time for this guy. Yeah. There's We just get very uh. disrespected very quickly. Feel. disrespected very quickly. Amen. Kind of. in our blood and and Cam was born and. raised in Pittsburgh. His dad was a pit. star. Iron Head. shout out Iron Head. So, and in camp lived there for 15.

years. So, he's kind of got that Yinszer. blood in him. Uh I think that's where he. was speaking from. But no, I I still. think Aaron gives the Steelers the best. chance to win. I don't know if he wants. to go to the Steelers or the Giants or, you know, he'll just walk off into that. sweet, beautiful California sunset. Honestly, the the retirement. thing has kind of starting to feel more. like a possibility, a potential. Yeah. And that's just once again, we have not. talked to him. This is us just following. all the other stories with him saying. nothing. It has just been nothing said. from him or his team and all these other.

teams putting out [ __ ] We want an. answer. And there is a chance with these. insiders that the teams are like, can. you apply some public pressure here that. we want an answer sooner than later? Because obviously that does help. everybody to know what's happening with. their roster. So it does feel like what. if he does love those walks on the beach. at sunset? True. What if he loves that. towel draped around him? What if he. loves the feeling of the water coming. through his toes? Mhm. What if he loves. the ability to just hop on his plane.

because he's the highest paid player in. the history of the league and just go on. a trip somewhere. Yeah. And disappear. for two months. Mhm. Never been able to. do that in the fall. I heard there's. whole different excursions of life in. the fall. Oh yeah. Like there's a chance. that that you know, especially with the. moons and how I mean every he might. climb Everest since September. That. might be the best month for it. Yeah. There's So, back to Tone's point, a lot. of people have been trying to put. themselves into Aaron Rogers shoes and. trying to think for Aaron. That's just not possible. That's a.

fool's tag. Don't do that. I don't I I. don't think that is possible. He's a. very different individual than anybody. you've ever met before. And the all the. greats are different. Like that is just. how they're different than normal human. They are different than everybody else. That is why they become who they become. And it's like this guy, if you talk to. any player that has played or coach. that's coached against him and been like. certified, brother, this is one of the. ones, which is why this happens around. the NFL, every time Aaron does anything.

Now, the media and the fans, they have. their thoughts and narratives about him. and, you know, some halftruths. potentially are released that fuel those. narratives from people and people feel. the way they feel. And he is certainly. an anomaly and we there's a lot of. things he does that we go holy did not. know humans operate in that fashion like. that that is a legitimate thing but. that's who he is and I think that's part. of the reason why he's so damn great you. know he gets mocked and ridiculed a lot. and I bring this up because I think it's. very important he gets mocked and.

ridiculed a lot about the family the. family the family the family the family. it's like I think he's pushed all that. [ __ ] away so that he could just be like. this guy old school football player like. that is old school hippie for. sure. Brilliant, too. Like, if you I. mean, he went to Cal and uh the. celebrity Jeopardy thing he did. Exactly. He could have mopped the floor. with Mr. Wonderful. And Mr. Wonderful. just so happened to be the one talking. [ __ ] to the stupid Yeah. Uh jock. football player, you know, the stupid. jock. I think you put anybody in those.

in the celebrity realm. No, I think Ken. and uh the other guy that uh Brad Ruer. and the guy that doubled down on. everything that we love, oh, Jimmy. Holleshower, you put like the super. duper trivia people in there, I think. Aaron's probably in trouble because. those people have treated trivia like he. has treated football. But people don't. want to give him credit for how. intelligent he is a and I I would assume. with everything we're learning now via. New York Times articles and other. things, he is feeling very empowered. about his brain and his decisions and. his ideas and opinions versus everybody.

else. So, you know, he's he's definitely. an an oddity, I will say, because he's. not there's nobody and nothing like him. in any sport, but there's a reason the. teams want him, and it's because he's a. guy certified. And uh if he was to just. step away at this moment in my it's like. maybe maybe even after years now of me. saying there's no way this guy's going. to retire. This is his whole life. Literally his entire he goes and takes a. trip, he comes back, guess what? It's. ball. He does this. ball ball competing.

having a purpose having fulfillment. having a a a reason like and everything. like that. Now granted, can he find all. those things elsewhere? It's like I'm. sure Aaron probably could but he loves. spinning it and you can tell that at the. end of the year he got his ass kicked. last year. Not only was it the Achilles. recovery, remember he was in London, he. got anti. Yeah. And his knee and his. ankle, I think. And he jogs right back. on the field. Doesn't miss a [ __ ]. play, I don't think. just goes right. back out there at the age of 40. It's. like I I don't I'm intrigued by it now.

Now I'm interested like what is this guy. going to do? I have no idea. Well, especially cuz Sher did probably stink. at the end of last year and just last. year in general because they stunk, but. he got to play with, you know, some of. his closest guys. Lazard obviously, but. Devonte, he got to do that entire thing. again and he wanted to play with Devonte. obviously. It goes all the way back to. the summer of them walking together and. him being like, you know, we'll play. together soon or something like that. when someone yelled that at him. and it. it would now make more sense, especially. with, you know, Pittsburgh's situation.

that maybe he doesn't want to go there. anymore. You know, California and. Pittsburgh a little different. You. they're not exactly the same towns. Uh. and you can't imagine that maybe not, you know, dealing with anything, you. know, the paparazzi and things of that. nature. You wonder if he thinks, you. know, if I wasn't playing football, are. they just taking pictures of me outside. of my beach? Definitely when he's going. around and, you know, walking, buying. his rocks. Yeah. buying his rocks. Exactly. Getting him off, all those. things. But who knows if uh he actually. will play. Okay, so next hour we'll have.

AJ on. Hopefully he'll give us more. answers. But now let's go uh to earlier. today. We had a chance to catch up with. Coach Kapari of Arkansas right after he. got done with Mass. We'll see you on the. other side. How do you feel about the team out. there? Obviously big move out to. Arkansas and the SEC this year has. become the basketball conference. How do. you feel about your team and how do you. feel about where you are with Arkansas. right now? Well, you know, we started 0 and5 and. everybody shoved us in the coffin and I.

made the statement they forgot to put. the nails in and our kids figured out a. way to get us back in the hunt and by. the end of the year we were playing. really good basketball and so I think we. won five of our last six, six of our. last seven, whatever it was. Um, and we. became that team. Now they that we were all in a dark. place now. Every player I had and they.

had to win that battle. first and. understand that you're not defined by. this stuff. And what you need to do is. work and you need to grind and you have. to battle yourself. You have to win that. battle before you worry about anybody. else. And that's what we were about. I. just was on that more than anything. else. Little adversity early is good, especially whenever you're trying to. build a culture. You find out quickly. who the guys are on your team. I know.

whenever you got there, you had no team. I I think that was kind of the emmo, the. story. And let's go back in time. I. think every chance we've got to talk to. you, uh, every time you've described a. season for you, it's like at the. beginning of the year, we didn't know. how to play defense. Basically, that is. kind of what you say. And then by the. end of the year, we know how to play. defense. Is that something you think. that your team has done very well this. year? And is that just the calipari. staple is like at the beginning of the. year maybe we don't understand how hard. our defense is going to be but that by. tournament time what was his record 57.

and 22 or something like that in the. tournament you guys are hell in the. tournament is it because the defensive. side or where do you see the growth. usually whenever it comes to your squads. my normally I have a new team every year. now everybody's having to do this unless. they were to retain guys we had about. four teams in our league that retained. all their guys. Um, so they were way. ahead and they still are. They're really. good. But the reality of it is for me, it's always a new team. My kids go pro.

I got new guys. I got freshman. We have. the youngest team in the SEC. We're the. youngest team. And so it takes time. new. team, young guys, you know, and then you. walk into murderers row and your first. three games are Tennessee, Florida, and. Mississippi, and you get spanked. And. now, well, we didn't get spanked. We. were in two of those games, had a chance. to win. But let me you lose. You lose. And now what you're hoping is how do you.

keep building guys up? How do you keep. challenging them? How do you keep making. them. uncomfortable so they can learn to be. comfortable being uncomfortable? How do. you keep up? And you know, myself, I had. to get out from under the covers myself. Like, oh my god, we're 0. and5 and we had to figure out what to do. as a staff. My staff never wavered. They. never wavered. And that's why we are. here. These kids came together. They.

became one heartbeat because they had. to. That's awesome. We lost our two. leading. scorers and we were dying. Our two. leading scorers were out. I know no one. says it and all that. We played without. them. And now this team who was left. said, "We're coming together. We're. going to be a team. We're going to all. do what we're supposed to." We've been. playing seven guys for about 3 weeks. now. Jeez. Are the boys going to be all. right? Don't feel bad. No one else feels.

bad. Hey, are the boys going to be all. right feeling bad? Hey, that's a lot. Uh, that's a lot, right? I mean, I I. know they're young, okay? They're. college age guys and the season is what. it is. Everybody's banged up at this. time of the season, but not having a. deep bench is like very that's tough, right, for whenever it comes tournament. time. And obviously, I got some stats. here. This is your 24th NCAA appearance, okay? 32 NCAA tournaments held all. together. Okay, so this [ __ ] is the. father of this. 15 sweet 16 12 elite. eights six final fours obviously two.

NCAA runner up it's like in the. tournament don't you need depth is that. something or or are you okay with your. seven with how the season ended. don't tell anybody but I only need. five that's all so what'll happen is if. a couple guys aren't playing well. they'll just play less at this time of. the year you're not worried about ego or. anything else it is surv survive and. advance. It is you're playing in a. tournament of four teams. We're here in.

Providence, a four team tournament. If. you can win this, you go to another four. team tournament. It's going to be hard. Kansas, come on. Bill Self, he won his. national. championship against us and me. And we. won our national. championship against him. Oh, yeah. And. so we've won at Allen. They had won at. our place and now we're playing again.

Bill, Bill and I, when I left Kansas, he. followed me at Kansas. So he went into. the role I was in. Unbelievable what. he's done in every program, the culture. he's built, all that stuff. And he and I. are friends. I hate to play people that. I consider friends or know well. I'd. rather there's all these teams. Why you. got to put me against him first game? Okay, so we know what we're up against. Let's talk about that. Actually, Tone uh. from Plumbo has a question for you.

Yeah, coach. So, I mean, let's just say. things go great and you go through Bill. Self and then sitting on the other side. is coach Patino like and you talk about. your four team bracket as far as coaches. go. Is are those two of the toughest you. can probably go through? Sure. But don't. forget about Omaha now. They had a hell. of a year hypothetically. And and I and. I'm being honest, I have not I'm not. worried about anything but this Kansas. game. And I knew in our little corner, our tournament, you look at it and you.

say, "Wait a minute, there's a lot of. tournament wins in that corner." Yeah. And so we all getting our teams prepared. to play. Look, in this thing. normally, like the game last night, who. has the ball. last? That's usually who wins. And they. threw that thing the length of the. court and the ball went in and they won. That's what this tournament is. It's. crazy. Yeah. Hell. And you look and say, "Wait a minute. It fumbled. He threw it.

up." Oh, and that's that's what it is. So, I'm. not worried about that. You know, the. question is good. I respect um Rick. I. respect Bill. I mean, we've all been. doing this a long time and um this. should be fun. I want our kids to. understand that. Enjoy this and go for. it. Show who you are. Have people. watching the TV and say, "Man, they play.

hard. Man, they have fun." Look at them. How do they play together? If we get. that done, that's all you can ask for as. a coach. You can change your life in. March, man. as a hooper, you know, you. can change everything, especially with, you know, what you're cooking out there. in Arkansas. This sets a culture up for. uh hopefully the next 10 years or 30. families, I believe, is the amount of. people that you were trying to change. going into this. Yeah, 30 would be 30. would be nice. Um, but again, you know, here here's what it is. I'm I'm coaching.

in college and I have someone's. child, but at the end of the day, I can. only lead them to water. They got to go. drink. They got to go do this. But it. doesn't mean I care any less. And. there's a lot of individual meetings. There's a lot of meetings about kid. You. got you're battling yourself. You ain't. battling me. You're not worried about. You got to win that battle first and. then go on. And that's what I like about. this team. It doesn't guarantee success. It doesn't guarantee a win. But I'm.

going to tell you this, the other. guarantees a loss where you haven't won. that battle or the minute the first. raindrop hits, you cave in. And we had. no. business the way they gave us a 0%. chance of making the NCA tournament. So. why not go for it? Why not try to do. something interesting? Why not be the. story? I said at the beginning of the. year, I'm writing another story and I'm. on the first chapter. Hell yeah. Well, let's see how this chapter ends. I hope.

it doesn't end on Thursday, but it may. But I've had fun coaching these teams. I've learned about myself as a coach. because you have all this success and. what you end up thinking is well because. you coach you you're going to succeed. No, that sometimes there's a bad match. Sometimes you have injuries. Sometimes. other thing goes on. Can you coach now? It's easy. We won 38 straight games. The. hard thing was keeping everybody happy.

We won 38 games a few different times. Totally different than what I went. through this year. And I'll tell you, there are other coaches that went. through the same thing this year. And. I've grabbed those guys and said, "You. did a great job. Do you know why? His. team was still playing. They were still. playing hard. They were still playing to. win. And they had every reason to give. up." Yeah. Let go of the rope. And then. coach would say after why would he tell. me I did a good job like then you don't.

understand this stuff yet. You will but. there you go on a run it's a different. deal. Yeah. Well when everybody's bought. in I think that is the direct you know. correlation to the coaching. You know. that is the direct correlation to the. culture. You said hold on to the rope. Hold the rope is a big deal. There's. somebody hanging off a ledge. Are you. going to be the one to let goes or are. you going to let your calluses start. bleeding? Are you going to hold for. everything whenever things are going. bad? Are you gonna pull that son of a. [ __ ] That's a Rich Rodriguez thing for. a long time, assuming a lot of coaches. do that. Uh, obviously your team was.

able to get through the mental battles. of the early season, also having 0%. chance, uh, having no optimism outside. the building. So, mentally ready to go. Let's talk about physically in. basketball. Tai has a question for you, coach. Yeah, coach. A lot of times in. years past when a league is very. dominant and then they don't perform. very well in like the first two weekends. of the tournament, the narrative becomes. like, "Oh, well, the league was so good. that they just beat themselves down. during the season and they just had. nothing left come tournament time." But. how I mean, you guys played in arguably. the best conference that there has ever.

been this year with 14 teams getting in. How does that prepare you for the rigors. of what you're about to go through in. March? What you said is. true. Every game this year was a grind. Every game was physical hand-to-hand. combat. It's crazy. I mean, we It was. nuts. Every game. Will that wear us out. or will that prepare us? You know what's. great? We're going to see. Having our. tournament run through Sunday, which.

I've argued for years, makes those two. teams have a physical, mental, emotional. battle on. Sunday. And then they're getting into. this tournament in 2, three days. I. mean, there's a lot of stuff that. happens. Who's on the upswing? Who's on. the down. swing? Who what what region are you in? Don't worry about anybody else but. yourself because when you do that other. team loses, you wasted time. But you,

we're all going to see because I'm. telling you, we deserve 14 teams to be. in. We did, but now you're going to see. All right, how do we do? Everybody was. all over North Carolina. Gez, they won. by 40 last night. Maybe they should have. been in. Yeah, West Virginia would have. won by 41. Yeah. Hey, how about the. governor suing? How about the governor's. sui only in West Virginia where they I. Hey, if I was in West Virginia, I'd go. hug the governor right now. Yeah. Well,

it's be a big one. The um the uh he uh. he needs to stay alive, you know. We. need him to to stay alive. We need to. take care of himself a little bit, but. I'll tell you what, state of West. Virginia feels like they were left out. And uh North Carolina heard all the. chatter. Yeah, he did. And they that. bucket looked bigger for them last. night. They're I mean, they're pulling. up from the logo. that looked like the. best UNCC team we'd seen all year. What. if they go on a run? That's the madness. of March. And uh to get into the. tournament, it's uh obviously a huge. blessing to like your school and your.

team. But once you get in, we've seen. numerous times, obviously you've said. it, anything can happen. Like literally. anything can happen, especially with. the pitch. Sweet. Conor has a question for you, coach. Coach, how does the dayto-day change. during the tournament? Obviously, you. know, one game at a time, Thursday after. that, you're not even thinking about. anything. But is the recovery different? Is the strategy kind of different when. you are just playing for your life uh. every single game? It's it's what a.

great question. Look, everybody has. different ways of doing this. I even say. how people play now. They say you should. should shoot 50 threes. Well, what if. you can't make threes? No, you got to. play different. So, what I've done over. my career, I want everything to be the. same. The board prior to the game is the. same. The shootound is the same. The. meeting the night before is the same.

There is no change. Let's just go be who. we are. If that's not good enough, we. had a hell of a year. But that's your. best chance in my opinion. I don't know. But there's all kind of ways to doing. this. We had a practice yesterday that. was normal for this time of year. We'll. have a practice today shortened. No. contact cuz I can't afford any more. injuries. Seven guys. Yeah. So, no. contact. But from that point on, the.

shoot around tomorrow, uh the meetings, the staff meetings with the players, all. the same. Uh how was mass this morning? um was really uh it was really good. I. got out and the guy cut us off and hey. you what are you doing? This is after. walking out of mass. So I I don't know. if it helps me but I'm coaching other. people's children and I kind of need. help. I need help anyway. I need more. than just spiritual help. Yeah, you're.

doing a great job. We can't wait to. watch your team. Thank you so much for. joining us. Good luck out there tomorrow. 7:10 p.m. Eastern. Arkansas vers Kansas. First round of the NCAA tournament. We. can't wait to watch your team this year, coach. Thanks, man. I appreciate you. guys. Hey, Gladi for the time, ladies and. gentlemen. Coach John Kalpar. What a legend. Uh everything needs to be. the exact same. Okay? If it's not good. enough in the regular season, it's not. going to be good enough now. And if we. can win five out of the last six games.

and continue on this little bit of a. ride, we can obviously be enough. I'm. excited to watch Coach Calipari. Thank. you for the time. You know, he's from. Western Pennsylvania, you know, out of. Pittsburgh. And we said that uh the same. hometown as AQ Shipley and Joe Dardo. Shout out John Cowpor, couple of the. goats. Yeah. And it's nice to know that. AQ is no longer a hater of Joe Donardo. I hope he says it, but I was going to. say, has that been verified? Mhm. Moon. Township, the airport. Okay, that's. where you find Drive-In movie theater. Love it. Still happening. Yep. Joe.

Donardo, AQ Shipley, John Carter. Yeah. Boom. Shout Moon Township and shout out. to you for uh allowing us to do this for. a living. Hour two will be on the other. side. We'll have AJ Hawk join us. Maybe. a Lombo pop in busy down there. delivering pizza to the UNCC women's. basketball team. I'll get his take on uh. UNCC in their big tournament 27point. win. Should they have been allowed to do. that? Should they have been allowed to. beat San Diego State's ass last night? I. don't think so. I don't see that.

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March Madness Eve Wednesday March 19th. 2025 hour two starts. now madness it's happening all around. us all the. time but this specific madness that we. are about to experience together as a. country as a world is a madness that. delivers every single year. It's a sport. that not everybody knows about, okay? Not everybody knows all the ins and outs. of, not everybody knows every single.

player, every single coach, not. everybody knows every single storyline. All we see is a number, which is a. ranking, and we can guess how the season. went. A university and then we get a. chance to experience and feel their fans. and alum throughout a run of a. tournament that everybody hopes that. they're able to get to the top of. because it could change everything for. everybody. The university changes. forever whenever they go crazy in March. Madness. The schools obviously benefit, but so do the players. There's been. players that have taken themselves from. maybe second round draft picks into.

lottery picks because of a run through. March Madness. There's been players that. have transformed their annual net worth. from being just a few bucks into. hundreds of thousands, if not millions. of dollars with the modern NIL. There's. storylines that are about to develop. that are going to make us cry from all. the hard work that took place. And then. there's going to be story lines that are. going to make us say hell yeah to that. particular person. Congrats to you. They. counted you out. They thought you were a. crap. And there's also a chance there's. a story line of the. favorite, the team that uh I think most.

people throughout their entire lives. have thought to themselves, we don't. like them. Uh there's a chance like one. of these villain teams that isn't. beloved because they've been around for. so long. Go on a run and demolish. everybody. last couple years, Yukon has. been that school. And if you do recall, Dan Hurley was the story because this. dude was electrifying while he was. coaching his team. They would be up 20. points and he'd be pissed about a. turnover or a lack in judgment or an.

error was made by a player on his team. There is so many things that could. happen over the next couple weeks that. kickoff tomorrow. Now, obviously, there's playing games happening today. There was playing games last night. The. first one was magical. It ended with a. Hail Mary. Alabama State beat St. Francis, a Catholic school with a Hail. Mary, full of grace. What a catch. Bucket.7 seconds left. Alabama State, you're dancing. This is just the. beginning of the madness we're about to. experience. And uh I can't wait for it.

Now, I have made a promise for myself. that I'll be gambling a lot less money. on all these games. Sure. I think we. should all think about doing that as a. as a whole. We uh we get caught up in. the moment and we start betting on 18 19. year olds that we've never heard of. before until maybe uh literally. yesterday. But what we saw him do. yesterday, okay, makes us think, well, they're definitely going to be able to. do that again. That is not true. Remember that. That is not how March. Madness works at all. What you saw two. days ago might be completely opposite. for the next game. And then there's a. chance that one team is going to get.

hot. Got to find those. Those are the. teams we're looking for. Let's be. selective. Let's be smart. Let's not. overdo it. But whenever we feel good. about something, let's enjoy the [ __ ]. out of it because college hoops has its. time right now. Both the men's and the. women's. But the men's one obviously is. going to be seen by a lot more people. And with that being said, they got the. best talent they've ever had in the. tournament allegedly. Yeah. So, we're. maybe looking at the greatest tournament. of all time. Boom. And uh why not? The. toxic table's here at Boston Conor and.

at Tai Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys AP Tone is here and. joining us live from Manatican, Ohio is. a college football national champion, a. Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk. Hawker. I'm getting so excited. Last. night, Alabama State throws that Hail. Mary, and uh I was boom, right back in. it. This is what college basketball has. This is what March Madness has cuz. sometimes there'll be a slow start to. the tournament. Low scoring, a lot of. mistakes, teams are tight. Okay, game. not really kind of over and then.

something happens and boom, you're right. back in it. You're all the way in it. Last night, I think they started the. entire thing with one of those moments. And I'm pulling for Alabama State to go. on a run. I'm pulling for the basketball. gods to continue to bless this Alabama. State team like they did with the Hail. Mary at the very end. And that's all. possible here, AJ. And you're talking. about changing the course of everything. And uh that's why it's so damn exciting. AJ, I I legitimately think it's. different than any other feeling that I. have for sports. Yeah, it's it's. definitely a special time. And first. off, great venue playing at Dayton. Arena. They always do this. I grew up.

going to games at at UD Arena. It's it's. an awesome like old school. No air. conditioning, right? Yeah. Uh they. didn't back then. I don't know what it's. like now, but it's a great place to. watch a game. No question. They don't. make arenas like that like this anymore, but can you couldn't have had a better. kickoff game than this. Like like this. was awesome. Like the whole time I feel. like it was action-packed and then how. it ended was beautiful. And I know we're. not talking about it, but we know North. Carolina looked pretty damn good. No, we. talked about it. We had We were forced. to talk. I know. Cali even brought I was. forced to talk I talked to him this.

morning 9:30 a.m. I was forced to talk. about Kalpari. How about the governor? He's just suing the entire thing. Feels. like North Carolina heard that. Uh. Connor's big takeaway is like while we. me doing my thing and the governor doing. his thing and basically the entire world. was saying the same thing outside of. UNC. San Diego State was like, "Excuse me, can we turn it down just a little bit? We stop." They had no chance. They had. no chance, I think. Yeah. And I pitched. San Diego State yesterday strictly. because I'm like, "Basketball God's. going to punish it." But we all knew. We.

all We all We all knew. He even. mentioned it as the biggest takeaway for. me from watching the selection Sunday. stuff is everybody was on TV saying. North Carolina doesn't deserve to be in. there and then they were asked to pick. the game and everybody was like do you. think North Carolina probably has. probably has this this one and it's like. what a conundrum what a situation uh and. that's why any selection committee to. anything is always going to have. conspiracy fodder this one just so. happened to have the ad is to select. this team being the last one in and then.

the other team not only gets kicked. tournament but also probably lose their. coach because of it. So, and their best. player whose side he's going over there, too. So, you know, that is that could be. why I got a lot AJ. Don't be Oh, no. I. know that. Congrats to India. Hey, congrats. I'm a glass half full guy. Congrats to Indiana. Legit. Yep. They. got a great one. They got a guy for the. state. This guy, they got a guy. People. are not happy. He's going to be What's. he supposed to do though? Why would he. stay? Well, I don't know. What? Build. the program. I don't know, AJ. West. Virginia was his, you know, his his.

dream school or whatever. Then. definitely not. Born and raised in Iowa. That was his dream school. Seems like. this family spells loyalty. C A S H. What? What's that? Kish. Okay. Okay. All. right. Huh? I mean, can you imagine if he gets. Indiana stupendous delivery. legitimately? Good for you, dude. Thank. you. Good for you. But in this business,

I think a lot of people do, you know, I. think that is kind of the business uh in. the college football coaching ranks. But. um yeah, it it's interesting for me. because, you know, I feel like I'm a. pretty big supporter of West Virginia uh. athletics. Want West Virginia athletics. to do very well. You know, very very. proud of what's going Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. like very proud of you know. that West Virginia Mountaineers and and. um you know it took me a while to be. able to be public about it strictly.

because anytime I talked about it I. would just get reminded of everything. that happened in one particular game. against Pit you know it got really loud. and for me it was tough because I was. like worst night of my life in this. entire thing. So finally got to a point. where it's like no we did a lot of good. [ __ ] there and like yeah I'm proud of. the fact that I was a part of a great. team there and the people that I got a. chance to meet and hang out with there. like I'm proud of it. So, it's been a. nice little, you know, kind of uh full. circle with this entire thing, especially with Coach Rod going back. now. At least I know the people pretty. well and they know me pretty well, you.

know, like through this entire thing. So, I'm very proud of it. So, West. Virginia not getting in is like a uh it. sucks because I thought West we were. having a you know, cuz all our other. sports, Rifle just won another one. Men's and women's soccer absolutely. crushing it. The women's basketball team. doing well. Uh, baseball is crushing in. the Big 12. It's like sports are all. great. West Virginia logo brand right. now. Okay. You know, and then we get. powled and then a guy just gets up and. leaves and then people are talking about.

West Virginia like it's a max school and. it's like whoa, what the hell is going. on here? You know, it's uh but I think. Renbaker will get it right. I think. obviously Dere is leaving to Indiana. If. you've ever been around Indiana or. understand the history of the Indiana. Hoops program, even though they haven't. had success in a long time, which is why. I think Indiana potentially, I don't. want to say desperate, but even more so. like I don't know what the contract is. None of us really know what the contract. potentially is. We looked it up. Salaries range from like 5 to 8 million. I think per year. Buy out 6 million. But.

I think the IU Hoops team and uh the. athletic department down there after. getting a chance to chat with them, they. are very much like, "Hey, we're going to. win in sports. They got money. They're. going to bring in players. Oh, yeah. Yeah. AD I I think president came from. Georgia. I think she came from Georgia. and uh she said we very much understood. when our teams were good. Uh yeah. Enrollment everything else. So she was. like all in on like hey sports we're. going to be good. AD same ad saying hey.

we're winning you know we are going to. win sports. So it's like I think for IU. fans they're very excited about that. And I think um I think Indiana. basketball being good is good for. college hoops. I think that is something. that is good. It just sucks that at the. moment of the biggest snub in the. history of the tournament. What other. people are calling it. I I'm reading. that from other people saying that uh we. also lose a guy who's a great like a a. great basketball coach. It is a tough. time right now in Mountaineer Land even.

though all of our other sports great. Tough time right now. Yeah, you can. understand why people would be pissed. because obviously if you're a West. Virginia fan, like if I was, I'd be. pissed, too. But Indiana is one of those. jobs in college basketball. Like, it's. like Notre Dame or Michigan. It's one of. those like true blueb blood jobs that if. you get that opportunity, you just can't. pass it up. It doesn't really matter. where you're at because if he is if he. is like like you mentioned, Indiana. hasn't been what they used to be in a. while. If he were to turn them around, like you're you're a legend forever. Not. just in the state of Indiana. You're.

like a college basketball legend. forever. And I assume there are statues. around him. Exactly. That's pretty. alluring. And then not to mention like. he's from the Midwest. Like he already. has a footprint here. So that has. something to do uh with it as well. But. obviously if you're a West Virginia fan, like none of that you don't care about. any of that. You're still pissed off. Yeah. Who's who's going to be coaching. in West Virginia? Simon. Bring back. Huggy Bear. Yeah. If Rich got brought. back, it's time to bring back. The good. old days. Yeah. I I I think um he still.

run a program. Still run a program. Oh. yeah. Still running a program. Uh he. whenever he whenever he uh got let go. and then signed a and then didn't I mean. there's there that was a whole thing and. then Josh I believe becomes coach Josh. becomes the head coach but he was like. titled the interim coach but he did a. season Yeah. as the interim coach. That's tough to recruit on for sure. Yeah. You know that is that's tough to. do well. And then obviously we sign old. buddy here and it's like we got some now.

we're now we're building back again to. being in in the ne now we're officially. in the next chapter of what WV hoops is. going to be which has made had more. success I think recently than IU has. I. think if you were to look like who's. made a deeper run more recently, IU or. West Virginia in the hoops world, I. think West Virginia hoops people would. be like, we know the last whatever many. years has been bad, but I don't think. Indiana's done anything since like early. 2000s. Like I I think it's been a long. When's the last time they went on a deep.

run in the tournament? I don't know. I. knew that number because remember I I. mentioned it during the football. I was. like, "Hey, this is a basketball school, but they haven't made it a deep run. since like 20." Their last sweet 16 was. 2016. Yeah. But they had Tom Green, I. think. But but like uh the Elite 8 or. Final Four or whatever it was. That was. like Tom Coverdale like in the long time. ago. Yeah. In the early 2000s. Yeah, cuz. I think West Virginia made obviously. Elite 8 multiple times. I think I don't. Did we make a final four? I think I. think West Virginia made a final four. Hugs Deshawn Butler maybe. Uh I don't.

remember because I think it was in. India. He got hurt. Did we host the. Elite 8? Indiana's last final four was. 2002. Last Elite 8 was also 2002. So I. will now look up the West Virginia. mountain. Yeah, cuz I I once again only. pay attention during March. So, you. know, easy come, easy go. A lot of a lot. of a lot of magic, you know, they they. mesh together. Yeah. A lot of lot of a. lot of moments that can happen. But even. that Indiana team that you were talking. about in like 2015, I'm pretty sure that. year they were they were a one seed. They were either the number one overall. seed or like they were picked to go to. the final four, maybe win the whole.

thing and they got beat in the sweet 16. Go ahead. Uh W went to the final four in. 2010. Okay. Deshawn Butler and him, right? Uh. yeah, had to be. That was when he got. hurt. Huggin went down onto the court. It was like that was one of the moments. of the tournament, right? Yeah, it was. Deshan Butler. Yeah. And it was here in. India, I think. So, it was like, well, I. think we only hosted the final four. I. remember before his ACL uh uh against. Duke and he was eventually a national. Deshawn was a dog. Duke. Deshan was a. cool dude too. Deshan was uh he was a. star. Worked his ass off. There was a. lot of those stars though. There was. like we had a lot of them kind of.

through the years there. So, I think. like West Virginia people are like, "Hey, the logo went to school here, brother." like this is I know football. obviously we are a bluecollar you know. mining state so football is you know the. sport of choice here but basketball we. got some history here as well so I think. that is what West Virginia people are. saying and hopefully that's what Ren is. selling and I don't know if we're you. know I don't know if we're going to be. able to keep up with IU when it comes to. the NIL and the contracts and everything. when it comes to basketball but I assume. we're able to give good deals you know. we got the breeze over some other.

schools last year hopefully Ren's able. to figure that out. Ren Baker. What? Every offseason has. some massive decision. Yeah. Yeah. Hire. new guys every single year. We got a new. president, I think, because uh what's. his name? Uh bow tie. Gordon. Gordon. Gee. Oh, you got Gordon G. Yeah. He was. at Ohio State for a minute. So, he's. gone. Did he get booed at Rich Rod's. introductory press conference when he. got intro? Sounded like it. I don't. remember. Why? What' he do there? Booed. I don't know. I don't remember that. I. don't remember if it was him or somebody.

else. I do wonder if it was his time. though. I do wonder if it was like, "Okay, let's go separate ways, you know, new president." I don't know. He had a. sweet bow tie. He was nice to me. He. sent me a couple very nice messages. throughout the time. I did not go to. school whenever he was under leadership. And I don't know if it was his idea just. to knock down an entire part of town. That's really good time. Sure. Just. demolish Sunnyside. That's every every. college campus, right? Turns commercial. cuz you know that real estate's pretty. uh pretty valuable. Yeah. Every. apartment is going to be rented until.

when? Forever. Yeah. As long as the. school is here. This this is a. neverending cash printing machine. You. see, we just built a one complex in each. university. If we were able to do that, we're rich forever. That's a good little. market. That's a good little deal. And. they certainly did that. Yeah. They just. knocked down all these old houses that. were certainly falling apart to knock it. over. I think all they had to do was. Yeah. shove it over. Kind of let it. fall. I lived in one of those houses. That thing. living upstairs. It's an interesting.

spot. It's like, am I upstairs tomorrow. morning when I wake up or am I am I. potentially in a living room? Am I good? Let's go to the NFL. Uh there's a rule. change season we are currently in. People are pitching different rules. I. believe there has been six that have. been made public. Here's one. Um to. amend the current playoff seating format. and allow wildcard teams to be seated. higher than division champs if the wild. card team has a better regular season. record. So, this is obviously from the. Lions because if you do recall uh week.

18, game 17 for the Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings were between uh two. teams that if they won the game, they'd. be the number one seed in the entire. NFC. And if they lost, they'd be the. fifth overall seed. So now all of a. sudden, there's a lot different path to. the Super Bowl just because somebody in. your division is also having a number. one overall team league seat. I don't. know if they're gonna be able to pass. this one just because the success of the. playoffs. I think uh the numbers and TV.

ratings that the playoffs get just right. now are absurd. So, I think it's going. to be tough to get it past, but I do. understand where they're coming from. AJ. Hawk. Yeah, like you said, I I it does. seem like this one would get tough for. be tough to actually go through, but. yeah, I get I understand why they why. you would propose this, but yeah, I. don't I think more of the the rule type. changes are the things that you have a. better chance to to make some change. And teams from crappy divisions are. like, we're not voting for that. What. are you talking about? We got a home. playoff game. Yeah. No way. Yeah. No.

No. Yeah. I don't We understand. Okay. Must be nice. Dra, you remember when you. were us? You remember you remember when. you were us? That that will be said in. the meeting room. But I do understand. where they're coming from from their. perspective. Let's go to the next one. here. uh to prohibit an offensive player. from pushing a teammate who is lined up. directly behind the snapper and receive. a snap immediately after the snap. This. is uh from the Green Bay Packers. We're. done with the tush push. We are done. with the tush push. There is precedent. now for this rule uh in this play to.

potentially be amended a bit. During. special teams, it used to be that uh. linebackers would get their hands, both. of them, one on the left butt cheek of a. Dtackle and one on the right butt cheek. of a DTackle and said DTackle would. weigh 360 lbs and linebacker would be. pushing DTackle through shoulders or. chest of long snapper after he snaps. ball and then linebackers trying to jump. up and block the ball. Then people. evolved and it would be two DT tackles.

cockeyed like you're uh pizza slicing. your skis. Okay, both facing this way. And then the linebacker would have right. hand on left ash cheek and then left. hand on right ash cheek of other. detackle and would be pushing 700 lb. sometimes 600 lb onto either guard or. long snapper for field goal blocks. Boom. And then trying to jump up and. obviously the guard would actually die. slowly which is the name of the. technique. like you're going to die just. die slowly as these two gigantic humans.

are being aided by a linebacker who's. pushing it. So they did get rid of that. There is no pushing anymore. There's no. hands on cheeks I believe is the way. it's kind of wrote out. So there is a. chance that they can say precedent on. the defensive side has been set about. pushing and what's player safety and. what's not player safety and how much. pressure and force and weight can be. dropped on somebody. But I think too. many football people in the room will. say it's quarterback sneak. So, you just. got to stop it or shut up in the entire. How do you think it goes, AJ Hawk? I I.

don't think you you stop this and and I. don't I don't see why you even try to. stop this. Like, if if you can do it, like your offense can do this as well. I. know they, you know, the Eagles seem to. find a way to run it better than. everybody else, but you're are you just. saying, "Hey, this is unfair." You can't. say this is not this is a player safety. thing. Like I understand you can argue. player safety for pushing the the guards. and killing the center and the the. guards uh on the field goal, but here. like what kind of player safety can you. claim? Uh.

well Chris Jones Chris Jones got hurt. kind of during the uh Super Bowl where. he screwed up his neck and you could say. well that's on him because he he's got a. thousand pounds of the lineman at the. bottom of the pile. Whatever the any. football person is not going to publicly. say we want to get rid of the. quarterback sneak. You know, I don't. think they'll go on the record. That. That's what I person I don't know if you. have to, but I don't think anybody will. go on the record and say um I'm not. anybody I don't think a majority of. football people will go on the record. and say that they want to ban this.

particular quarterback sneak. I in my. eyes I I just think that's going to be. tough to hear people say. Go ahead. Yeah, like that particular one. That's. what I was going to say. Like you you. could still make the argument for the. Eagles. Well, we still have an advantage. at quarterback sneak because of the fact. that Jaylen Herz, you know, squats 500. or 500 lb rather, but not having that, you know, push from behind, then they'd. obviously have to do it for defense, too, because the defenses towards, you. know, the end of the season or I guess. the entire season to, you know, counter. the tush push. They're pushing D. lineman. They're just not getting the.

push that, you know, the Eagles are. getting. What an interesting thing. What. a what an interesting predicament here. And the Green Bay Packers are leading. up. They're not doing it by themselves. They've obviously heard from other. people to think about doing it as well. But I also don't understand cuz they. don't do this a whole bunch, but towards. the end of the season, like they were. using Tucker Craft. They'd move him in. motion and he'd take a snap and they. would do the tush push with him, you. know, like and they were very successful. with it. So, it's not like they haven't. been doing it at all. Um, I just I more. so was thinking like, well, you know, they got burned so many times on fourth. downs like at the end by the Lions and.

by like these playoff teams that they. can't stop it. So, maybe they're. thinking that. But yeah, I I don't. understand how you can use a player. safety thing when so many teams do this. And very rarely do we see guys get hurt. because of this. Eagles just got it. Oh. yeah. Yeah. You just have to learn it. You got to you got to find a way to run. it with your offense. Whether it's put a. tight end, do put someone else, motion. them in. I don't know. So what is it? First and nine then. Okay. Is that what we're doing? That's what. somebody's saying in the Yep. Okay. So. you got three plays to get nine yards.

Are we Canadian football now? Is that. what we're doing? We're doing CFL rules. Three downs. Okay. So, we're saying if. it's we're just giving first downs away. now. That's what we're doing. Yeah. Well, not everybody. It seems like the. Eagles have a little better percentage. than your team's. Oh, shut up, Bills. I'm pretty pumped uh to see the selling. and what actually gets passed. This one. doesn't feel like it's getting passed. this year, you know. But maybe a lot of. these rules, you know, they kind of What. can you say though? What can you say? This is not fair. Like, this isn't like. What's your argument? I don't get it.

It's a boring play. It's not football. This is rugby. like what are we playing? That's what somebody will say, you know, just like the the main argument for the. extra point was it's boring. This this. this place sucks. Yeah. Yeah. So, too. successful. Need to figure it out or. we're going to get rid of it. And then. they were like asking around the league. Come up with ideas. And I heard one. ownership group wanted to propose a. 60ard extra point. A 60 yard extra. point. Just go out there. Just you and a.

little stick. 60 yards. You get you get. five points if you make it. Nope. Just. one. It's It's one point. It's an extra. point. Play music. Yeah. Well, that's. when Once I heard that was an idea. Yeah. Once I heard that was an idea, that's when I really The stage. Okay. So, we are Okay. So, we're exploring the. space here. We're coming up with some. ideas. Yeah. Stage, smoke. Yeah. Music. for one point.

Can. Adam hit this kick from a spinning. stage? Spinning stage. Oh, missed it. I'd watch. Yeah. Trying to. make it exciting. I mean, when I heard. 60 yard for one point was being pitched, I'm like, "Oh, so we're trying to make. this like a show." Okay. Okay. I I can. do this. Yeah. I like what I like what. we're thinking. And I'll be I'll be.

honest. Adam was not happy with my. suggestions. He said he asked me why I. make a mockery out of it. Why don't I. respect the game? And why don't I. appreciate the game? I'm saying I'm. trying to keep a foot in football, brother. Okay. I'm trying to keep uh all. three phases. I don't want them to get. rid of it. And if this is what they're. going with, my idea much more fun. And. he goes, "You you want to see me on a. stage?" Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Who does it? Is he wearing full pads still? You know, I want to see him run and set up. Like, can you imagine the how tough it would.

be to have like you'd be so much you'd. be so anxietyridden if you're one of the. people though that has to run the little. spinning stage out there and make sure. it works in the moment cuz you have like. it's on the side of the field. It's on. the side of the field. So, you know, just like in rugby, if you score on the. left side, you have to kick from the. left one. If you score on the right. side, got to kick from the wrong one. Going Yeah. It's that thing's always. spinning. I didn't know that. Okay. It's even. better. Whole game. Whole game that. thing spinning. They'll actually have a. counter on how many times. Yeah, this. thing has spun 985 times thus far. Does.

it go faster? Every quarter it starts. spinning a little bit faster. So if. you're kicking an extra point in. overtime like that thing, you can barely. see the dude. No, that's like icing the. kicker instead of instead of timeout. Yeah, you can up the speed, turn it up, but you can only do it once a game. You. can't do it multiple times. So you kind. of have to pick and choose. So you fake. like with your hand the head coach has. his hand on like the controller and he's. faking like he's going to make you spin. faster. Nope, not this time. Yeah, it. depends on how many timeouts you have. too. like if you have three timeouts, you could do multiple things. You could. have it spin faster. You could have it. vibrate and maybe and maybe rock back. and forth a little bit. Okay. So, they.

said that we were making a mocker out of. it. Sure. And uh they ended up with a 33. yard extra point and uh idiots. I think. that has made, you know, a little bit. more electrifying. It looked weird for a. while because they had the way they sold. things on the field was still as if it. was extra point. now like the field, the. business, I think the camera, us as. viewers have all kind of adapted to it. and we keep it moving. I don't know if. I'm ever going to be able to get used to. this new kickoff setup, you know, like. that tough. That's a weird setup. It is.

It is a very interesting setup just. because in every other play there's a. line of scrimmage, you know, and in this. one there's two of them. So, I I it's uh. it's just interesting, but they're. trying to keep the foot in football. So, I respect it. Let's go to the next rule. that is being pitched here to align the. postseason in the regular season. Overtime rules are granting both teams. an opportunity possess the ball. regardless of the outcome of the first. possession. Uh subject to a 15minute. overtime period in the regular season. Okay. So touchdown wins game on first. drive. Field goal extends game. So if.

you hit a field goal on the first drive. of overtime, the other team can answer. If you hit if you score a touchdown, that's both balls in the cup, brother. That is game over. Unanswerable. So, I. think that's the right move. Just keep. it the same as the playoffs. I think a. lot of people probably assume it is the. same as the playoffs if they had to. guess, especially because the Buffalo. Bills Kansas City Chief situation a few. years back. I think this one should. pass. AJ, your thoughts? Absolutely. Keep it the same way. There's We know. that there's players that didn't know. the the overtime rules between the the.

regular season and the playoffs. You're. right. That miked up situations where. they're like, "What? It's over." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is. That's game. Yeah. Sorry about it. You now move to week 14. Good luck. Got a must win. Go ahead. Super Bowl with the Niners. Like they. didn't realize the the entire situation. with, you know, the Chiefs where there's. that clip of, you know, Mahomes when. they're doing the uh Super Bowl overtime. and they had no idea that the rules were. the Chiefs get the ball no matter what. And that was right after it. Oh yes. Because it is different in the uh the.

playoffs. The the. Yeah. Both teams have to get the ball. Have to. that there's no the I don't. even know what the counter is. I don't. even know what it shouldn't be. different. Regular season should not be. different from playoffs when it comes to. that to any rule really. Who's voting no. to that? Like what would be the. reasoning to vote? You can claim player. safety. So the game the regular you. don't want a regular season game going. five hours. Is that what they claim? No, cuz it ends in a tie. That's what. they'll say. But it's the same deal. Then you could just be like, well then. why are we playing on Thursdays? Well, and then why are we playing for 15 total. minutes then? Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot.

of questions. Why do you extend it with. a field goal but not a touchdown? Like. there's there's really no This one. passes, I think. So, congrats to. football getting better. Congrats. Congrats to the um congress what team. pitched that. Eagles. Congrats to the. Eagles. Uh feels like that one's going. to pass. Let's go to the next one. We. could be wrong. Once again, we are not. voters. This is what we're projecting to. happen. The Detroit Lions say they want. to eliminate an automatic first down as. a penalty imposed for defensive holding. in illegal contact. They like get their. hands on you. This one's not. I love. this. I'm about I'm about sick of us a.

little tickytac [ __ ] and the other. they get to extend their drive all of a. sudden. Why? Because we play football. Okay. And now we're letting the refs. decide whether or not a call that can be. called a lot and kind of just sneak. through the the rule book. Let them. decide and have it be another first. down. That's what the Lions are saying. Yeah. I think they were the most. penalized secondary in the NFL last. year. So they said, "We're not going to. change the way we play defense. Let's. change the rules." Yeah. that song. But. hey, to be clear, everybody tells us. they would play the way we play if they. could. Let's let.

it Let's let everybody grab everybody. AJ, how do you feel about this? I think. this one might be tough to get through, especially since the Lions are with the. most penalized secondary, you know, they. were guilty of doing this a lot. Yeah, that does that play a factor when they. think about voting these rules through. like, hey, who is proposing this? Definitely. Yes. Just like Cards Against. Humanity. We've said it once, we'll say. it a thousand times. when you're playing. that particular game. I don't even know. if people play it anymore, but you got. to play the person, you know, you got to. always know the person that is making. decisions, the person that is speaking,

the person that is giving an opinion. You have to know why that person feels. the way they feel. Like Bubba. Cunningham, North All right. Anyways, yes, they will hold that against the. line. Somebody will roll out stats. probably. Is this your defense right. here? This is our defense. Stop holding. our guys. I just paid Jamar and T. Exactly. We would like a first down. Yeah. So, not going to pass through us. Let's go to another rule change that's. being proposed. This one's from the. Pittsburgh Steelers, allowing teams to.

have direct contact with free agents and. set up travel during the negotiating. window. That's Monday at noon as opposed. to having to wait till Wednesday at 4. There's this tampering period that has. been legalized by the NFL where all. these deals are done and the teams are. not allowed to physically meet the. player during this time. They're allowed. to talk to the agent. They're allowed to. meet with the agent, not allowed to meet. with the player because once again, that. would be too much tampering, too much. recruiting as opposed to just throwing. hundreds of millions of dollars at them. You can't meet them in person. I feel. like this one gets passed for some.

reason. I I feel like this is a pretty. easy one in my eyes, but then they'll. have to limit how much travel does each. guy have to take and where to the. meetings and how the meetings all that. comes into play next. AJ. Yeah. So, are. they saying though the the Steelers are. saying we can just set up their travel. and we can speak directly to the player. during the tampering period? Not and. then but they still can't come in and. physically come to your facility until. the free agent it opens up. Yeah, they. probably just want to, you know, let's. get some eyes, hands, conversation. Uh. cuz you hear stories probably about. people you try to background check. I.

think they could talk I think maybe not. to the agent. They can talk to the agent. right now. It says, right? There's also. not as many direct flights in. Pittsburgh. So, it's like, hey, this. we're scheduling this travel's tough. Okay. We got to get a couple days. advance on a lot of people. You know, these Chicago, Atlanta's, Dallas, these. big airports, you know, they can direct. flights [ __ ] boom soon as free agency. starts things scheduled. Okay, let's. make it a level playing field. Uh. Pittsburgh was supposed to have so many. flights. They got a brand new airport. coming. So hopefully. Really? Yeah. They're building a brand new airport. The last time we got a brand new. airport, it came with a deal with what? US Airways. I think it was US Air. They.

were going to make Pittsburgh a hub and. then I was for a little bit, right? I. don't know how many years later they. just Yeah. US Air. They left. They left. So you show up at that airport and and. it happened whenever I was gone cuz I. would fly back and it's just like. literally full empty terminal, just no. planes outside. It's like this is sad. That's weird. This is sad. Yeah. But you. bank on the deal, the contract, and. somehow it end up not happening. And. once that takes place, then you start. losing, you know, you don't because for. them business-wise, how many flights are.

we going to like Indianapolis, super. clean airport, nice airport, great, very. nice airport, easy to get in and out. Now, is there flights to a lot of. places? Yeah, we'll get you to a hub. We'll get. you We'll get you to a hub. That's the. tough thing about the small ones. Yeah, but they're beautiful. You know, it's a. really nice airport, but it's cool. Like, you can get on and off a plane. Like, you can get on you can get in and. out pretty easily, but yeah, you just. got to take a 40-minute flight to a to a. hub. Pittsburgh's airport, you know, got. Franco Harris right next to George.

Washington. Drop ball. Found a country. Save the city. You know, that's Welcome. to Pittsburgh. Let's go to the next. rule, shall we? Uh. the Pro Football Talk report of seven. teams proposing K balls to be prepared. before the game is one that I heard. about back at the combine. Okay. So, there were some special teams. coordinators from numerous teams. He. said seven uh in this report. I assume. that's how many people actually put. their names on it or whatever. I think. this is a very much a unanimous, hey,

this is what we're thinking. So the. Kball preparation is a uh a lot more of. a conversation than people could have. ever imagined. So back in the day uh you. used to be able to bring your own ball. to kick, own ball to throw. Everybody. just brings their own balls. You play. with your own balls. You go home. So the. kickers started really experimenting. They started really really experimenting. on how you get the ball the most beat. up. You know, because the more beat up. ball, the further it's going to fly. brand new ball, more plasticky, it's. hard to kind of dent the outer shell and.

inevitably thrust it uh as far as you. possibly can. So, a beat up ball is the. best ball you can get. We're talking. like 10 yards difference, 15 yards. difference maybe that much really. between a brand new ball and a very very. very beat up ball. Like now granted wind. and everything plays in, but like seven. to 15 yards very like game changer. There are a big deal on these broken in. balls. So, at some point there's this uh. folklore story that one of the kicker.

balls or punters balls uh was in for a. punt and then the other team decided to. go for it. So, the K ball ended up in an. actual play and it was uh some notable. maybe Yeah, maybe Brett Favre. And the. ball was so beat up that it was like so. like oversized and just like no grip. A. pick was thrown and then immediately. there was full [ __ ] chaos about how. we got to get these K balls back right. away. We got to have more of a thing.

because it can't be determining outcomes. of games because a quarterback can't. So. like literally that is like the folk. tale. I don't know what this is back in. like 2000 maybe maybe 1999. So this is. way back in this thing. So then they. instituted a rule brand new balls. literally boxed opened handed to refs. onto the field. I I forget it was I. think it was like three four years or. something like that and it would I could. thank God I did not play during that. time like that is I assume if you go. back and look at the numbers terrible. like I I assume not good numbers. So.

then all the special teams coordinators. came around and then there was an. agreement with the NFL where it was like. okay we'll have K balls and the. equipment managers while being watched. by an NFL official will have 30 minutes. with the seven balls and uh they will be. allowed a brush. There's this one spray. thing and then a towel. That's all. they're allowed to have. So these. equipment managers, one from our team, one from another team will go into a. bathroom in the stadium before the game. like 90 minutes before the game. They. would have an official watching them.

They would start a clock and they would. have 30 minutes to beat up a ball, okay? 30 minutes to rub the [ __ ] out of it, you know, sweat in there, like the whole. thing. Our guy would come out drenched. We're talking about drenching sweat. And. I would, me and Vinnie would be like, "My man, thank you. Thank you. Thank. you." Us and other kickers and punters. on other teams, we would talk about who. the the ball rubber is. Who's the ball? Like, "Hey, who's your who's your guy? Who's your guy?" And they say, "We got a. guy. He's good. He's new." And we we. would say we got a guy. So our guy would.

get ball one because ball one's going to. be in the field the most. Their guy. would get ball two. So then our guy. would get three. So like then there. would be like a plan beforehand like hey. is your guy good? And they be like yeah. good guy. It's like okay then no. conversation needed. Our guy great. So. like let's let our guy kind of do his. thing. And there were seven balls. Usually only the first three balls would. make it into a game. The others would be. sold for game use but they were never. they never saw the field. So now they're. trying to get to a point where it's like. just like the quarterbacks are allowed. to prepare their own balls and bring.

their own balls and then they get tested. at game time. Just let the teams bring. their own balls and you can test it at. game time and if it's too despicable or. not game ball enough, kick it out. Kickers want the ball hard, not soft. So. it's like the air pressure will be. there. If it's beat up, you can tell if. it's too beat up. There were some games. back in the day, laces were popping off. the ball and it's like that would be. awesome to have an actual helium. balloon. Not that helium would help, that was been mythbuster, but for that. big of a thing, like a rugby ball, like.

an Aussie ball. I mean, the sweet spot. gets bigger the bigger the ball gets. So, it's like that I I think they can do. both. I think that's what the special. teams people are pitching like, "Hey, just let us bring our own ball. You can. test them and then we just keep it. moving. We'll use our balls. They use. their balls and we just keep it moving.". So, what I'm saying is something as. minute in a lot of people's eyes as the. Kballs. This has been a conversation for. like decades. And uh I think this is the. right answer. I think and we're kind of. getting back to where it used to be. before they were putting it in the. washer and dryer, putting in a sauna.

Guys were putting a ball in the sauna. obviously rub beating it up in the sauna. so the thing would grow and then. obviously you pump it up as much as you. possibly can. It was like they were they. were you know abuse leads to. restriction. Sure. And that is uh. potentially what happened there. But. they felt as if it was gamesmanship and. uh that's where we're back at the. beginning for the Kballs. Okay. Great. guy, huh? Why wouldn't they let the. kickers and punters have that 30 minutes. to do it? Um great question. I don't. know. I I I to be clear, I never asked. I I was always like frog, my guy. Yeah.

Yeah. You had a guy. That's a valuable. spot. Very valuable spot. We would go to. teams and they would say, "We got a bad. guy." And I'm like, "Oh, sorry, man. Sorry. It sucks because like you feel. it." Like whenever we played in London, Walt uh the ref, you know, he had ball. seven on the he was putting ball seven. on the field on purpose and I'm like. these people actually like us over here. Like in England, these people actually. are like they'll cheer a big time punt. and I get the ball for like the kickoff. and it's like what is this? This is this.

and I look it's ball seven. I'm like why. are you doing that to us? Why you why. brand new ball? You somebody snaps one. Let's say uh little gamesmanship has. been done in the past. Um like a. gamewinner away game, ball boy throws in. ball four as opposed to like ball three, ball two, you know, like one of those. situations has happened and as soon as. you catch a snap, it's like this is a. bad ball. This is you can literally as. soon as you catch it, you can feel it. and uh it's a game changer. How many of. these rules are passed? That's six being.

pitched. What did we think? Two. Two of. them. Kball passes it. Steelers probably. passes. Yeah. Cable and playoff rule. Yeah. So maybe three of them. Tampering, visitations. Oh yeah. In the overtime. Yeah. Overtime and cable. I I think I. think those three will pass. Joining us. now is a man who, you know, had been in. the NFL for his entire life. Now he is. the general manager for the North. Carolina Tarheel football team. Where. was he on selection Sunday? Ladies and. gentlemen, Michael Lombardi.

Oh, Pat, I was right there. Look, look. at what we did last night. I mean, maybe. the conversation should have been, "Why. was San Diego State in the thing?" Dan, we took all the heat. We played. Well, San Diego State's athletic director. wasn't the chairman of the selection. committee. Okay, Lombo. And you know, Bubba much better than I do. Bubba's a. good man. Bubba's a good man. I just. need to know that Bubba's a good man. Good man. You know, we everybody's good. people down here at North Carolina and. certainly with the great tradition we. have. Look, I don't know how it all goes. in there, but you know, look, we proved.

it last night on the court. And you. know, the other thing is too, our. women's basketball team, they're we're. hosting here too, third, you know, a. three seed. A lot of things going on. here in Chapel Hill. I saw you and uh. coach Bich delivering some pizzas, you. know. Uh absolutely. Yeah. There you go. Hey, you guys love him speaking to the. team. He said we and us a lot like and. you just said we we and us talking about. North Carolina. Feels like you guys are. fully in, huh? You guys are all the way. in in North Carolina. It's the greatest. I I'll tell you, Pat, you got to come.

down here and you got to There There's. Coach Bangart Courtney. She's great. I. mean, you got to come down here and go. into Carmichael and experience the place. that Jordan took the roof off of. It's. magical. It really is. I mean, you walk. in there. Now, I know you've been to. Butler where they filmed the movie. Hooers and all that and that's like that. that sent me chills when I went in. there, but every time I go into. Carmichael here on the campus of the. University of North Carolina, it's. amazing because all I can think about is. how many shots Jordan practiced in that.

arena, you know, how many did he make. and how many did he miss? Like his whole. life was in there. You could just feel. it when you go in there. It's. incredible. Yeah. Some greatness and, you know, great colors, too. I mean, you. guys uniforms are the best. I love how. much you have just taken ownership of. being at UNC. Where are you guys at. right now? Because we got what the next. transfer portal uh coming up in April. You spring is not happening. You guys. are on break. What's happening uh right. now? No, we're we got spring practice. today which is great. It'll be our it'll.

be our fifth practice of our spring. So, we've got that at 5:00 tonight. And you. know, a lot of recruiting going on. You. know, the portal doesn't open up until. April 15th, which will get an. opportunity to evaluate our team where. we are and then to go look at the portal. to see what's available for us to sign. to help our team for the 25 season. And. then really our focus has been on the 26. season. Really doing a good job trying. to recruit players for that. And you. know, that's ongoing. What's the. difference between the difference.

between college and pro is when you work. like everybody's working on one draft. board now in pro football. you know, they're working on getting their boards. set up and and in college, you got the. 25 board, the 26 board, the 27, and the. 28. I mean, we have young kids that come. watch us practice from 27. They're, you. know, they're just 15 years old and they. look like they could play pro football. today. How many of those guys are going. to end up. wearing Carolina blue? How many of. those? We get as many as we can. Pat,

look, the one thing is there's no one. thing about this is you're not limited. to draft picks, and we're not waiting. for the compensatory picks to come. around. We got a lot of first round. picks we can use. How's Bill How's Bill. at practice compared to when he was with. the Patriots? What is his is it the. same? Is it different? How is he. coaching versus maybe when he coached uh. in the NFL? Well, I I think the hardest. challenge for him and our coaching staff. is how to teach the players how to. practice properly. Nobody needs to be on. the ground. We need to have physical. contact. We need to be a physical.

football team, but that doesn't mean we. need to be everybody in the training. room all beat up. So, I think that's the. process. Bill Walsh said it took him two. years to teach the 49ers back in 1979. until really they got to about 1981 when. they learned how to practice without. pads on. You guys know from playing in. the league that sometimes the practice. tends to slow down when you don't have. pads on and that doesn't make it a good. practice. But you have to find a way to. be physical without pads on and beating. everybody up and that takes a process.

We have to teach players how to do that. and I think that's what coach is working. on now. How many stay off the ground? How how that's a lot of that, huh? There's a lot of that. You heard it. Hell yeah. There's a lot that stay off. the ground. You know, there's there's a. few stay off the effing ground. There's. a few just stay off the ground. We got a. little bit of both. Yeah. Depending upon. how severe the punishment is, depending. upon how severe the uh the crime is. Now, uh the Connor just uh reminded me. you guys doing no numbers down there. right now. No numbers. See, but. everybody miscommunicate. Everybody.

thinks this is some kind of form of. punishment and all that. There's a. method to everything coach does. And one. of the things we have to work on here at. North Carolina is our communication, right? You we got to know everybody on. the team. We've got to be able to to not. just call out, hey 79, you've got the A. gap, you got to slide down. You need to. know the players name, you know, you. need to be able to communicate and it. highlights communication. Everybody, when we did it in New England, everybody. felt like, oh, it was just we didn't. want the media to know who the players.

were. Well, that wasn't true at all. We. wanted to work on communication and. that's what we're doing here. And that's. one of the great things about it is we. can practice commun. You know, one of. the things you see, look, let's take the. game. The Rams are sitting here not. winning the Super Bowl or playing the. Super Bowl because they had failed. communication on two of their last. protections when Matthew Stafford got. sacked when they're going in the red. zone. That's a communication issue. It. wasn't a talent issue. So practicing. communication is really important. Yeah. And learning everybody's name uh when.

you're watching film. Uh that has to be. a nightmare. That Yeah. Yeah. That has. to be Oh, that's a Look, I would like. the numbers on them. I mean, is is that. Wait a minute. Who is that now? He's got no Wait a. minute. He has no pads on. Wait a. minute. He has no way. He's got a tail. between behind his legs. He's wearing a. pad. Like you got to go you go out there. and you have to mark the players on your. sheet so that you know who you're. watching. Sleeve. Left sleeve. Got it. Got it. Uh that is uh fantastic. Go.

ahead. AJ Lombo. What's the uh the plan. for a possible spring game? I know a lot. of teams are going away from it. They're. not doing it in Colorado. I know Dion. wants to possibly bring another team in. What are you guys planning on doing down. there? Well, we're going to have a. spring event. We're not going to have a. spring game. I mean, that that whole. breaking the team up into two sides. I. mean, look, one thing we've learned. through a lot of years, when Bill first. came to Cleveland in 1991, the New York. Football Giants practiced in full pads. on Friday, right? And when Bill start we. started practicing on half shells, the.

players almost had had a hard time. So, you know that we've learned over the. years how to practice better, right? and. how to get more out of less practice. So, I think the game really isn't as. much about the portal as much about. making sure you get more out of your. practice than just trying to beat up on. one another. And I think obviously. there'll be times where we have to go. live in our practices. But I think like. anything, you got to build yourself up. to it. You just can't start hard. I. mean, we're not Bear Bryant at at, you.

know, down at Texas A&M before when he. got down there and next thing you know, he only had like 20 players left. That's. not what you need to do. Well, I think. not only that, and I respect that that's. the angle, you know, in it all. And you. said splitting up the team into two. teams. I love that that's not even a. thought. Like, we're not going to be. we're all Tar Hills here. We're not. splitting each other up into two teams. We'll be offense, defense, and special. teams. But, you know, we're not going to. do that. Also, the more I think about. it, there is. zero upside to a spring game. Okay? Let's start rattling off all the bad.

things. So, if you have a spring game, you have a starter and you have a backup. then somewhere. Okay? So then you just. told the backup that they're the backup. Okay. Do they want to hit that transfer. portal after your spring game because. they're going to be a backup? What about. a third stringer who might end up being. the starter after training camp? Depending upon how he plays. He's not on. the ones or the twos. It's like, well, give me the hell out of here. And it's. like, well, you have no idea what. training camp could look like in the. fall. It might be vastly different. They're gone. You put on film now, so. other teams are going to see who you. got. Then you're potentially getting.

people poached. It's like there's just. so many ramifications now in the modern. um uh college football. They're like, I. don't know how a spring game does. I. don't know how they save the spring. game. It's going to have to be a spring. like festival more than like you're. saying a spring event. I think that's. the only answer legitimately. Well, like. Dion wants to practice against another. team, but I don't think the NC2A will. allow that and based on the rules, which. I think something needs to obviously we. need to change that because I think it. would help the it would help the quality. of play once the regular season starts.

It would help your team. It'll help you. evaluate your team, especially now that. we're dealing in the portal and now that. we have revenue streams coming in. Would. you televise it? Would you televise that. or no? I don't think so. I mean, look, why wouldn't you? He's going to, you. know, somebody would watch it. Look, we. don't get enough football as it is. We. want to, you know, the spring league. draws people. I'm sure people would. watch a good spring game. Look, you. know, one thing we know about spring. games, people have watched them that. they're all over the networks. Yeah, dude. I That's what I'm I. don't just I'm thinking about from a.

West Virginia perspective and a lot of. these schools perspective, it's like if. you have a spring game on TV and you. have somebody that goes bananas, okay, freshman, sophomore goes crazy in a. spring game, all of a sudden there is. and you got to transfer, you got a. transfer window. Yeah. coming up. literally in a week or or like two weeks. coming up. There's some no offense Ohio. State, you know, they're not the only. one. Uh and Ohio State obviously loaded. the wide receiver position or it they. wouldn't need whoever would be of, you.

know, need of that position. It's like a. lot of these schools got a massive bank. account that could just be like, "Hey, you want to come to Penn State? Uh we we. didn't know. We didn't recruit you. We. just saw what you did and then all of a. sudden I don't know. That's tough, man. I think the spring festival is the way. to go to celebrate the sport. Uh but. also if we have combined practices, that'd be electrifying. Let's not slow. that down either. Okay, a couple of the. boys have some more questions about you. from an NFL perspective. I know you saw. this. I know you saw the play. Let's go. to Cincinnati. Connor has a question for. you. Yeah, Lombbo. How do you feel about.

the Jamar Chase and T Higgins deals? Obviously, I believe it's, you know, damn near $70 million combined per year. uh for their top two guys. Keeping them. both. Sounds like it's going to be real. tough to keep Trey Hendrickson, but. we'll see what happens. Uh, what do you. think about this? And do you think the. uh Cincinnati Bengals are set up for. long-term success with these two guys. locked down? Well, I think both of them. are great players. There's no question. Both of them deserve to get paid. I. think this is more of a question, and. you already know the answer to this, Connor. You're asking me. You know how I.

feel about this. Like, this was a setup. I mean, this is an alleyoop, right? I. mean, you expect me to dunk this. I know. how this is going to go. But look, I. don't know how you do it if you can't. block. I mean, maybe Cincy's made a deal. with Pittsburgh and Baltimore a and you. know, and all the other teams that. they're going to count to five. Mississippi when they rush and so they. can throw the ball to the guys, you. know. I don't know. Maybe they've worked. it out. I I don't understand it. But to. me, when I watch the Bengals, I I I see.

they're Joe Burrow gets hit way too. much, you know, and they're going to. have to fix that. Now, can they do it in. the draft? Look, Duke Tobin will do a. good job trying to find players. I don't. doubt that. But for me, it's not the the. the perfect scenario. And and again, I. I'm going to say this a thousand times. Coach Walsh told me this when he told me. to go do a project on three receivers in. 1984, Al Tune, Jerry Rice, and Eddie. Brown. He f he said to me after he told. me to do a research project on those. three players, he said, "We're finally. now in position to draft a great.

receiver." because his belief was, which. he really gave to me, and this is why. I'm is you can't be you can't have great. if you can't block. And these guys are. great. There's no question. We're not. arguing their talent or their value. I'm. not arguing that. I'm arguing team. building. Can we find young offensive. linemen that we can play with and. protect Joe Burrow because Joe Burrow is. the franchise? Yeah. And Joe Burrow. allegedly had some sway uh in T. Higgins. and Jamar Chase getting signed. And if.

they are able to find an offensive line. that can protect Joe Burrow, they'll be. able to score with absolutely anybody. I. think we all agree with that. Now, defense last year was not good. They. actually fired D coordinator. It's like, can they figure that out and also figure. out Trey Hendrickson that's currently. the sack king? That's a lot. Hey, good. luck to you, though. Hey, I'm pumped for. B. Look at maybe it'll work, but I think. when they went to the Super Bowl and. almost beat the Rams, it their defense. played a lot better than they did. And I. think to me to play great defense in the.

NFL, you got to practice. You got to. have to have physicality within your. defense. I don't think it's a game, football is not a game where you just. turn it on. Look, the Eagles went from. being horrible on defense to being. really good. Now, Vic takes a lot of. credit and deservingly so for making. that defense better. But it was also the. way they changed their strength and. conditioning and how they conditioned. the players. And I think if you ask Cali. Roseman, he would say the changes he. made in terms of the physical. development of the players were as much. to do as the scheme change. I wonder how.

the food was over there in Philly. You. know, that's being talked about. Cincinnati has been for a long time. Food in the facility, not not the. greatest, you know, they make it in um. slot buckets, right? No, not Gatorade. bucket. It does get an F a lot, but I. don't think they're doing that. And. remember, they're developing, they're. changing, they're paying a lot of money. to a lot of people. They're doing. business. Hopefully the Bengals are able. to figure it out. And what I was gonna. say is for Bengals fans, they're. incredibly pumped. I think they're just. spending money like, "Oh, this first. time Bengals and Mr. Brown and their. family have really gone after anybody.".

Is it a style that can win in 2025? We. shall see. We're running up here on a. hard out about uh 50 seconds from now. So, I would like to ask you, um, did you. read the 80,000 pages? Have you Have you. got through the I'm working through it, Pat. I'm still working through it, but I. think it's, you know, it's going to take. me a little bit of time. I I spent a. little morning I got up a little earlier. this morning to read some of it. You. know, I'm fascinated by it. I'm down the. rabbit hole, as you know. Uh it's just. too it's just too good. But I'm I'm.

counting on Matt Crumpton, who runs a. great podcast called Solving JFK, to. read most of it, and then he'll educate. me when I listen to it. 80,000 pages. Is. that how many pages is the Bible? Do we. know how many pages the Bible is? Not. anywhere near 80,000. So, just think. 80,000. Somebody's going to get Have you. ever been to the LBJ library? I mean, he's got five floors of books just of. his memorandum as See you Monday. Nailed. it. We got it. We're good. We got it.

Right on time. 8,000 pages. Uh, it says the Bible's. somewhere between 1,200 and 1600. Yeah. So, you know, and the Bible quite a bit. more thick. Yeah. Thick. The issue here. is who's reading through and picking and. choosing what we, you know, now that's. the game. Oh, we got plenty of people. doing that, Pat. Now, we got some really. good people in there that that that kind. of kind of go through it. And a lot of. them. Well, I'm on the I'm on the side that. Lee wasn't on the sixth floor. So,

that's the side. Oh, now you're saying. what happened, Lombo. What happened? 80,000 pages. AJ, [ __ ] read it. Why. don't you do it? Well, you know what? That's a long story, Connor. We don't. have enough time to cover it, but it it. obviously it wasn't it's it wasn't a. proud moment in our American history. Let me just say that. What a wild thing. for it to be released now. And from what. I mean, that just dropped into my. timeline yesterday. Hey, here's the. link. 80,000 pages. Get the word. It's. up to you. Just tell them, Lombbo. But.

I'm like, I don't I I don't want to get. to 80 thou 80,000 pages. But then I was. intrigued. Then I started seeing. screenshots from the 80,000 pages. I'm. like, well, what was happening on the. page before that page and what was. happening on the page after that page? There's a guy there's a guy there's two. people that really have been the. forefront of this. John Armstrong who's. all his papers are at Balor University. which are incredible. He is the guy that. that basically uncovered the fact that. there were a lot of Lee Harvey Oswwell. impersonators, tremendous researcher, wrote a great book called Harvey and.

Lee. And then Jim Garrison who was taken. through the coals for his investigation. and the trial of Klay Shaw. But his. documentation and his research and his. really his studying of it is remarkable. You got me. You don't want to go down. here. We got Let's talk football. Yeah, we are. We'll get back to ball. But I do. appreciate the fact that every once in a. while I'll see a Lumbbo tweet that's. just like oh [ __ ] Basically to. somebody that's saying something. I'm. like oh this guy's really passionate. This guy really passionate. Hopefully, you'll get all the answers you need in.

that. 80,000 pages. And who's picking and. choosing what we see? That's now a part. of the whole game. I did see one. redacted part, a couple different that. seems it's all uh it's a wild time to be. alive right now. It is a wild time to be. alive right now. Let's move along back. to the NFL. AP Tone has a question for. you. Yeah, Lombo, the big story in the. NFL right now is what Aaron Rogers is. going to do. Uh there was news on that. today that the Vikings potentially do. not or are are not expecting Aaron. Rogers to be their quarterback because.

they're going with JJ McCarthy. Now, if. you are the GM of the Giants, Joe Shane. or the Steelers, Omar Khan, are you okay. with just sitting back and seeing what. Aaron wants to do or is there like a. drop deadad date like, hey, by the draft. we need to know or if you're one of the. GM of those teams, what are you saying. to Aaron? Well, I I think you everything. about when you put a timeline on it is. do you have leverage, right? because you. really don't have a timeline when you. don't have any leverage, right? And so, like, where where's Pittsburgh going to. get their next quarterback? I mean, I.

don't know. I mean, you know, they they. certainly can't think where they pick in. the draft. They're going to find a guy. who's going to come in and start for. them, right? And so, I know they signed. Mason Rudolph back and certainly they. don't think that he's, you know, they. had him once. Maybe they think they can. be the backup, but they lost two. quarterbacks. They don't seem to have. any inclination to want to sign Russell. Wilson back. So that that that to me is. you can only have a a a timeline when. you have another option, when you have. an answer and you say, "Look, I need an.

answer here. I'm going to sign player Y. or I need an answer here. I'm going in. this direction." I mean, it's the same. thing that happens in in college. football in the portal and and in and in. high school recruiting. Look, here's our. offer. If you don't take this offer, I'm. taking somebody else down the street. because there is somebody else. But when. there's nobody else down the street, you. just got to sit back and wait. Mason. Rudolph, please back in Pittsburgh, dog. Okay, please understand that. And uh you. like Aaron with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I think Aaron I think if Aaron went with. Mike Tomlin. Now look, I know Atlanta. paid Kirk Cousins too. So I think he. probably is in this conversation cuz I. can't believe even though they paid him. the 10 million to be on the roster that. they wouldn't do something with him to. move the contract. So I think that. certainly is. I know there's a lot of. fanfare around Joe Milton and how he's. going to be traded, but nobody really. knows if Milton can play. I think with. if you're Pittsburgh and you've added. this this receiving core, DK Metaf and. to go along with George Pickkins and. Firemouth and to have some really.

talented offensive players, I think. you're going to have to find somebody. come in and play right away. I would. think they want to. I think they want an. answer on Aaron and I think they're. going to have to wait as long as Aaron. wants to decide. AJ, how long is he. waiting? Got me, man. I don't I that's why I was. curious to see if there was a deadline, but it seems like there's not really. I. don't know how there can be cuz if I'm. the agent, let's just type it. Let's. play this through. If you call me up and. I tell Aaron, you know, I need a. deadline. Aaron's going to say, well, who you going to go with? Like, who's my. competition? Like, who are you going.

with? You know, if you wanted to sign. Russell Wilson back, you already would. have done that. If you wanted to trade. it for Kirk Cousins, I'm sure you. probably could have done that by now. So, I I think that's what you have to. look at. Look, everything's a. negotiation and everything's about. leverage. Where is the leverage point? It's on a beach in California right now, seems like. And uh there's a chance. there's a chance he doesn't play, too. Exactly. Right. AJ, that's still a thing. or no. I I you I think that's definitely. still I don't think that's a. possibility, but that's it is. Yeah, I'm.

sure it is. Okay. So, you are still. steadfast that he's playing ball game. You Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I want to let you. know me over like the last 24 hours for. some reason I'm like what if this guy. just retires like that is just because. of kind of how it's all played out. publicly and once again Aaron has said. nothing. Aaron has said absolutely. nothing. There's been I think Shfter put. something out from those close to Aaron. It's like that's not real. That that's. not uh like we love Sheffy and maybe. there is somebody of notable that is. giving this information but that could.

be completely false too. like that is, you know, just from and AJ, I I need you. to like kind of cosign this, but for. like the last five years, we've been a. part of this, you know, in the offseason. and it's like there's how many people. that know probably what's going on? Two. There's maybe maybe that's Lombo. Yeah, Lombo's not even in there. Lombbo say. AJ's like maybe in the group of the. people that knows and it's like a tight. little group. So, it's like uh what if. he does? When it comes to Aaron, I tend.

to not listen to I think part of the job. of being an NFL executive is to. understand what to listen to and what. not. And all the people that do this for. a living that do scoop, you know, there. is a stat sheet. You know, there is a. stat sheet you have to keep and you've. got to pay attention. You know, if. somebody says X about why, whether it's. the place, you believe it. But if they. say it about something else, we're in. the lying season now in the NFL. Oh, I. mean, we're in draft season. Everybody. lies. I mean, everybody How many times.

have we've gone through this guy's hot, he's going to move up the draft boards, and then he's sitting there in the green. room forever. So, I think you have to. really pay attention and grade the guys. that are giving out information because. you got to know whether you could trust. it or not. Yeah, we got we got to pay. attention to those doing the scoop. Yeah, exactly. We do got to pay. attention. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Lambo, when you were with us last in Indie, all. the reports came out that said, "Hey, listen. the uh North Carolina Tarheelss. They're going to be doing, you know, a. hard knocks off season type deal. And. you basically said right away like, yeah, I'm not so sure about that. We.

haven't signed off on that. That. probably, you know, isn't going to. happen. Will and behold, it's not. happening. Was that something that you. guys decided? Was that a university. decision? Like, how did that come to be? Cuz ultimately, like I think all of us. were thinking like that would have been. pretty awesome to watch, you know, you. guys. Yeah, it would have been it would. have been great. The the problem was. that, you know, we we control the story. we need to tell here. And the story we. want to tell isn't doesn't end after we. play TCU. The story that we want to tell.

is a story about how we're rebuilding. this program, how we're going to honor. the great players who have come before. us, how we're going to restore Tar Hill. football and make this stadium come. alive on Saturday afternoons like a lot. of other schools in the ACC. That's the. story we want to tell. And when it stops. on the after the first game like Hard. Knocks does and it doesn't really do us. any good to tell that story. And that. really was the concern that we all had. here in the building was we we're.

storytellers. When you let them in your. building, we're going to tell a story. And the story we want to tell was about. how we're working to build this program. and we're going to work hard to recruit. and do all that. And that extends into. September, October, and November. it. can't stop at Labor Day. And I think. that was more of the issue. Now, we. obviously there was a lot of. misinformation, mostly from somebody who. runs a a website, as we all know, and. who's never gotten it right. But that's.

okay. He keeps writing it and we'll. continue to not listen to what he says. cuz he he has no sources and life goes. on. But I think that's what I was trying. to allude to on that day. Pat, you're. shaking your head. You enjoy that, right? Yeah, I do. Yeah, we knew. Yeah. Yeah. I knew you were going to this. place, too. I mean, it was uh as you. were rolling because the day we asked. you the question about it, it was just. assumed like, "Yeah, this is happening.". Especially with Bill Bich's um. relationship with NFL films, he was. living there. Like it feel it felt like. so it was just like a matter of fact.

almost and we all love the offseason. hard knocks. So, I think people got. excited about this being a thing and. then boom boom boom and then you come on. our show and it's like uh I don't know. about that yet. And nobody even listened. to you. Nobody even listened to you. Then no and then then it got extended. Then it all of a sudden it became the. NFL was mad at at at at Bill because he. was doing hard knocks. That remember. that story that came out? Oh. yeah. It's like a half truth. All these. things are like halftruths and then they. get sent out and they become this is the. actual tale. You were like we are.

definitely talking to the NFL films. people. We're talking to a lot of people. though because we have something special. here. We understand that. But nothing. has been agreed to. But that's like the. world that we're in. And then the. reporting of you guys not doing it was. like in a turn. It's like this was never. a turn. This was a this was never a. decision that was made. It was just. falsely being reported as such. That. happens to uh that happens to a lot of. people and a lot of things on the. internet these days. New, right? I I. think look, Hard Knocks is great and we. love everybody in NFL films. Ken Rogers,

I mean, they're tremendous and they've. been great to us and to Bill, but I. think to me it's really about what story. do we want to tell, right? And we wanted. to tell a full story of our year and we. still are in talks about telling that. story. And eventually we'll we'll sign a. contract that has that story involved. But that's what we need to tell because. remember we're recruiting every day. You. know, Al Davis used to tell me this all. the time, Pat. He said, you know, when. you talk, and of course he said you. shouldn't talk very much, but when you. do talk, you have three people you're.

talking to. You're talking to the owner, you're talking to the team, and you're. talking to the fans. And when we talk. here at North Carolina, we're. recruiting. We're recruiting to our fan. base. We're recruiting young prospective. players and we're recruiting to our. alumni. And so those are the three. things we have to center on every single. day. And that's what that's our. audience. Our audience isn't doing. something that's out of the and I don't. want to you know hard knocks is always. the sad story about the guy getting cut. that had a chance and it's very.

teardropping and you know all that but. that's not that's not our story. Yeah. And it might take a year, you know, it. might take a lot longer than just an off. season to flip a culture or to build a. team. And also, whenever we inevitably. see that docue series over the next. couple years, uh, people are going to. watch because you guys are absolute. goats down there. Tell Bubba Cunningham. Okay. That, uh, we know what he did. Yeah. And he he. knows and he knows what he did. And, uh,

Oh, that's not fair. That's not fair. We. We But let's talk about San Diego State. Yeah. We kicked their butt last night. That was good. I know. I know. You guys. killed them. It wasn't even close to a. game. No, they were up by four. It. wasn't even 15 minutes left. Lombo. Lombo. Literally, if you listen to. everybody talking about it too, you. know, it was like, uh, shouldn't be in. the tournament, but will they beat San. Diego State? Everybody. Yep. Yeah, they. definitely will. They I mean, like, we. got no respect for I mean, look, the. Duke game, the last Duke game was the.

poor kid jumped in the lane. We had a. chance to win that game, you know. Now, I know they didn't have their best. player, but we had a chance to win that. game. I mean, you play Duke even like. that, you you throw a little respect on. them, please. Well, you know, the. quality one wings, you don't have. enough. Yeah, we're talking about the. boys. We're just talking about Oh, God. Here we go. All right. Now, with that. being said, it would be awesome if North. Carolina went on a run. It would be And. we get to the Sweet 16, I'll be back. Yeah, I'm sure. And uh I watch you guys. deliver pizza to the women's basketball.

team. Feels like you guys are supporting. everybody down there and I'm going. Saturday night and I'm I'm hopefully we. can beat Oregon State and then I'm going. to go Monday. I'm telling you, you got. to bring the crew with to come down here. to see Carmichael. There's nothing. better. I don't know if a lot of people. at UNCC want us down there right now. You know, we're going to let the streets. cool off a little bit. Streets will cool. off a little bit, but uh inevitably we. will come and see that beautiful campus. And we can't thank you enough for. joining us, Lombo. Thanks, guys. Always. good. Thank you much. Have a great. practice, ladies and gentlemen. general. manager of the UNCC Tar Heels, multiple. time Super Bowl champion, Michael.

Lombardi. They killed San Diego State. Yeah. Yep. It was really a game for like five their. first half shooting. Like, did they miss. in the first half? No. And they're. pulling up from the logo, too. It was. like everything was Yeah, of course they. did. Like when you like you said, when. you think about everything going on, like they had to. They had no choice. Yeah. If you're a competitor at all, you. were just literally called out by every. person outside of your state. It's like, uh, how do you respond? Well, it turns. out they just they get 27 point win.

That's that's what they decide to do. Now they're scorching heart scorching. hot in March, too. Like talk about like. getting those nerves out. First game, they nerves are out now. Now all the. pressure is on Old Miss. Yeah. Literally, everybody hates us. Oh. Uh, is that right? Okay. We're not supposed. to be here. Okay. What a rally for like. a team like UNCC who obviously has all. the big recruits, you know, just need. something maybe to get them y kind of. aligned. We're part of we're part of the problem. That's on us. Yeah, we might have woke.

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Yeah. Didn't do much with that thing. Now, it turns out it's [ __ ] perfect. Yeah, you're up there. The amenities. beautiful. We're talking everything. And. uh Ram trucks are a beautiful truck. Wasn't into the Ram trucks. Didn't know. about the Ram trucks until we get. introduced through this particular. partnership with them. I think inside. he's like, "Damn, they Ram's got a good. truck. This thing's a great truck. Good. truck." Yeah. I mean, if we are allowed. to drive it, I am thinking about going. over to uh Dayton to watch the Johnny's. on Saturday. I looked on Sege Geek and.

the tickets were so cheap. It was like, "Okay, maybe we do go over Sport Rick. Patino." Quite drive. Oh yeah, it's. really only like an hour and a half. Yes. Might be worth just going over and. catching some of those games. I think if. I do recall cuz we went to a playing. game at the Daytona or Dayton Arena, I. think. I think it was when Vanderbilt. was playing cuz a kid from Plum was on. Vandy. So they were in a playing game I. think in Dayton. Was that in Dayton? Do. we remember? It's always Dayton. So it. was at Dayton or whatever. Yes. So hot. in that gym. It was like a uh it was a.

hot hotter day I guess. And we were. sitting in the gym. All I remember is. just sweating like profusely, but it was. an electrifying game. Like it was an. electrifying environment. Everybody's. kind of in there. It had an old school. feel like you were mentioning and uh. feels like it's a great tradition. You. have not experiencing yet, right? No, I. have not. And as I said that, I now know. that the Johnny's are playing in uh. Providence, Rhode Island. I was going to. say so. A little bit farther. Little. farther of a drive. I don't think you. should be driving this one, but Okay. All right. All right. Good to know. Good. to know. That many state lines. Yeah, that truck's going to Western anyway.

Yeah. Gwen Palw Gwen Pal's a big Ram. truck guy. Yep. Yeah. He's in the. commercial. Commercial. Super commercial. a lot. Started with Twisters. He is. Yeah. If you can feel it. He chases. He. chases. Damn right. Damn right. What's. Glenn Pal doing? Everything big. Yep. Yeah. He's got a couple big time movies. coming out. Couple remakes. So, and. they're all going to do well. Yeah. One. of them is, you know, just timeless. classic that Arnold was the main. character uh character of and he's he's. reprising the role in that. Terminator. No, the running man. It's going to be.

awesome. Awesome. He's so charming. Yeah, he is. So. handsome, so cool, so jacked. He's a. guy. Oh, yeah. And that Chad Powers. series is coming out at some point soon. here, I would imagine. Congrats to all. of them. Yeah. All right, let's get out of here. Let's. enjoy. Here's upcoming. Here's upcoming. projects for Glenn Pal. The Running Man, Huntington, Chad Powers, The Natural. Order, Untitled JJ Abrams Project. What's that?

J.J. Abrams is a big time big time. director, producer in Hollywood. That'll. be like, you know, some action sci-fi. type deal. Monsanto. Monsanto, isn't that that was like some. big uh company? Yeah. Yeah. There was. like a big lawsuit or something. So. maybe that could be I don't know. Maybe. like a courtroom drama or something. Young attorney Brett Weisner takes on a. case against Monsanto on behalf of. groundskeeper Dwayne Lee Johnson. Dewey, who used the company's weed killer. roundup and developed cancer despite. Monsanto's toxicologist testifying to.

Roundup safety. This is Iowa. Uh, Monsanto, is it in Iowa? It might be. I'm not sure. I think I watched like a. documentary on these seeds. And I don't. know if it was cancer seeds or if the. seeds were blowing into another people's. property. That's the one you talked. about with Christopher Walkin and it was. in like Canada, I think. Right. Crazy. Yeah. I I the the seed game is wild cuz. these people had a patent on the seed. basically and the seed was obviously. something that wasn't f natural. You get. it blows into somebody else's farm. They.

were looking to take that because it's. their seed and it became a big old Yeah. Yeah. Cuz they they owned everything in. like the surrounding areas then since it. was their seeds that were just getting. scattered everywhere. Yeah. Mhm. The. farming world's a wild one. Crazy. Well, we're on this stuff with shows too. The. uh Terminalist next series is coming out. I believe uh very soon here too. Oh. yeah. Yeah. Jack Cars. Yeah. Yeah. And. did he write a book? Where's Bill? I. think it was a new book too. The Jack. car. Yeah. New book coming after I I. believe he finished it or I saw a post. recently. Yeah, I saw a post too. I just.

know the terminalist series is based off. I believe this is the prequel one of. Chris Pratt's brother in uh Taylor Kish. who's in the first season as well. Yeah. The explosive next thriller from Jack. Carr. Cry. Havoc. You can order now. Does that mean. it's available now or is this pre-order? Probably pre-order, I would assume. These newer ones, they just keep getting. scarier though. He mean he gets better. and better. Well, he's getting more. accurate. Yeah. And it's more of like. the what's happening right now. Realer.

and realer. Yeah. He did an AI one, didn't he? Uhhuh. China. Yeah. CCP. Is that his most recent? That's I believe Red Sky Morning was the. AI. Yeah. The most recent was China was. developing a counter intelligence to. counter our intelligence. That was and. then they started talking without. humans, right? And then you talk about. uh if I remember it's like well who. tells the missiles to react to a missile. and is there any I think that was there. there's a big part of it where our AI is. kind of integrated with our uh like our. missile control and our Navy. Yeah.

Spoiler. And what's this one here? Uh, this one is about his his father that. was also a Navy Seal in the original. Navy Seals. Uh, well, Beirut is one. Yeah, I'm talking about the Yeah, the. Cry Havoc is about his dad and like. leading the Vietnam uh SEAL missions. Yeah, the Bayroot is the non-fiction. true story that he was talking about. that he was writing. So, that that's a. legitimate and all these other ones are. fiction. Uh, which I think of as fake. All right. Non-fiction, not fake, fiction, fake. Correct. But all his uh.

how it works. all his uh fake fiction. ones seemingly all have, you know, because of who he is, what he's done, there's it's hard not to be like, "Oh, this guy is potentially mixing a little. reality here like all I assume. storytellers are." And it seems like. they're filming a bunch of the uh series. for Amazon back toback here. Like the. ones coming out in summer about the. prequel about Ben, his buddy that was in. the seals from the original Terminalist. series and then they're going doing the. second season of Terminalist after the.

prequel. Bill is one of Jack Carr's. biggest fans. Oh yeah. Yeah. Bill cited. a uh cited a BB gun for uh old Jack. Carr. Perfectly right on the money. Real. scope and fake gun doesn't. really two for two. Yeah, you really did. it. It worked. You handed it over to. him. I think it's. It was Turns out you give that guy a. state fair gun. Ones that has the barrel. like this. Yeah. Yeah. Hedgehog. Yeah.

There is a uh there's a level there's. levels to this thing. That had to feel. so good for him just to get back in. there and snipe the hell out of uh. Arthur ah Fishial. Mhm. I mean. AI was a psycho. He was going to blow up. the world. Yeah. Thank God for Jack, man. Thank God for a freaking nuclear. bomb that he slammed to the table. He did. I I saw that when I was. watching. There's no way that's real. He. wouldn't slam that down. No way. Yeah,

that was just a good scene. The scene? What do you mean that? That. was My bad. What are you talking about? That was reality, brother. Who was Who. was Kim Jong-un? So, it was Kim Jong-un, right? No, it wasn't. That was Kim. Oh, yeah. What? Was it Kim? That was Kim. Jong-un. Yeah, but I don't remember if. that was Kim Jong-un. I don't know. That. might have just been might have just. been somebody. Oh, no. Oh, no. Really? No. I don't know. I don't It was pretty. realistic. It was Kim. Thank god Jack.

Carr still got it though. Best in the. business. He was just there. He sensed. it. Mhm. Knew it was coming. If people knew how impressive that. actually was. I don't I don't think it. gets talked about enough in the shooting. community. I don't know. No, I don't. know. I know everybody talks about West. Virginia winter rifle every single year. Everybody does. Everybody can go. anywhere. Yeah. Amen. If you're good, hey, you got. a good shot, you need to come to West. Virginia. That's mine right there. We.

need you. We got you. And the Americans. need better representation in the sniper. talk. Remember, we watch those trained. killers at the Olympics. Yeah, that's. right. With the one eye and the side of. ours are actually out there. Yeah. Well, whenever you retire, you need to go on a. gold medal hunt. These uh Jack Carr. needs to go out there. He does and. represent United States American. Olympics. Yeah. You know, or somebody. from West Virginia, obviously. But him. him shooting this I mean moving target. Yeah. The the gun did not have enough.

power to actually be able to aim. anything. So he had to have adjusted. He. had to be shooting above head and then. just re never did the shot. Not nothing. like that. From up there. There's the. gun right there. Obviously saved the. world, right? You which is pretty cool. But from that perch all the way down to. the ground. I mean, it was like uh. probably quarter mile. Can't really. tell. We watched him hit a soup can at two. miles, dude. He just It was. unbelievable. Straight.

right off the head. What a shot. Thank. god it happened. Thank you, Jack. Thank God. Buddy George was there. All. right, let's put up some shots for a. giveaway. And uh. that's Jack Carr. There it is. Here, run the whole thing. Let's just watch the whole thing. That's. just wonderful. I haven't seen this. You. haven't seen this in a long time. I love. this official. The world's AI authority. has summoned the earth's most. influential doofuses for an emergency.

meeting about the terrifying powers of. artificial intelligence. Antonio. Margarita, I forgot about. from two not. Vladimir. That looks like Vlad. Mhm. Top. V. Speed [ __ ] [ __ ]. Jim. Okay. He was. We catch up with them. mid dinner as Arty Fish tries his. damnest to get the influencers. attention. Jim. Okay.

Yes. That'll work. Great service. Thank. you. Scram. Let's get down to brass tax, boys. The real reason we're here. AI is uh it's a problem. It's going to. kill us all. It's hard to take you. serious with the way you're facing the. trail. I mean, you look like [ __ ]. [ __ ] What are you talking about? Oh, the only thing artificial is those. [ __ ] balls you call balls. You look.

absolutely absurd. You guys don't. understand. You're not listening to me, okay? I'm wearing this cuz AI can hear. your thoughts. They can get into your. brain. Guys, you ain't got no [ __ ]. brain. Murder once again. struggling to take. anything you say serious. My team told. me I should come to this. You look like. a joke. He looks like a joke. [ __ ]. absolute jerk off. Does this look like a. joke? Huh? That's a nuclear bomb. No. And that's fake. [ __ ] Batman put marbles in plastic. You need You need a goo. I You guys are.

listening. This right here, the day I. gave a nuclear freaking bomb says it. told me the only way to save this. screwed up world is to blow it. [Music]. up. Is this guy. awake? Idiot. Wake up. You wouldn't hit. somebody with No. Yeah. Don't you worry. This one is foolproof. I doubt it. I.

brought it here, boys. Not just for show. What? Because. I'm going to blow up the world right. now. [Laughter]. Holy. [ __ ] That's car. Turns out that was an actual nuclear. bomb. Yep. Arthur Isaac Fishell was. going to blow the entire world up and.

Jack Carr saved us all. It was his. actual first shot and Arty Fish is. actually dead. forever. Thank the Lord that Jack Carr. sense trouble. His new book, which is. the sixth installment of the terminalist. series, Only the Dead is currently. available at all bookstores. You should. buy it. As you just watched, he saved. the world. Hell yeah, Jack Carr. Hell. yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, Jack. Jack, that's awesome.

It was an actual nuclear bomb, brother. Yep. I know. It said it right on it. I. know. That's what they all do. And an. air raator. Confirmed it. Yep. Yeah. Who. also look was a waiter. Yeah. Yeah. Good waiters. He knew what he was. doing. He was there so he could tell the. story. He was the only one. Nobody would. believe cuz he was the only one there. Man, I haven't watched that in a long. time. A long time. All right. On that. note, let's go to March Madness. Hell. yeah. Thank Thank Jack R. Love you, Jack. R. an opportunity to say thanks to.

Jackart and you go ahead and do it. because as it said like AJ noted and I. forgot that detail that that was just. right on the side. Yeah. How do we get the point across here? Right there. Just write it. Arthur Fish was probably just. misunderstood. Like he was just nervous. cuz didn't he come back as a drone and. try to take showdown? No, that was uh I. don't know if that would We still don't. know who that is. Jack Car saved the. world there then too. Yeah. Still not. sure. Yeah, we don't know what happened. there. I thought Yeah, nar I thought the.

narrator. I guess not. All right, have a. great March Madness. We hope you guys uh. win all your bets, right? Let's go. underdogs. Not all of them. Just you're. betting all the underdogs. Betting all. the underdogs again. Yes. 0 and2 so far. Money line. Money line. Just that's all. you can really do. It's more fun that. way to be honest with you. Um and then. you really, you know, you have a dog in. every fight and it is the dog. And let. me just tell you, when that dog hunts, it is the greatest feeling in the world. Yeah. Last year you were up, right? You.

after the first Yeah. The first four. days, Thursday to Sunday, this first. weekend is where it's like, hey, do. strictly only underdogs. After the first. weekend, do whatever you want because. typically it does kind of fall off a. cliff a little, but it can get uh we're. up like 16 units last uh last year, but. you're gonna have bad times. Yeah, you. you will have bad times, but remember. like there's a chance that only one. underdog wins tomorrow on Thursday, but. that underdog might be plus 800. So, you're up 200 bucks for the day if. you're betting a h 100red bucks on every. game. The madness that we speak of is.

normally when underdogs upset somebody. And when that happens, you're not only. celebrating the moment, but you're also. cashing in. That has been your go here. Yeah, it last March Madness was the most. fun March Madness I've ever had in my. entire life. So, this is probably going. to be my uh go-to move uh going forward. with March Madness. Hey, there's a. chance you lose your ass this year. Yeah, there definitely. Um, there's a. chance you lose in gambling. There's a. chance you lose your ass. Always a. chance. Uh, but like I said, I would. very strongly suggest doing it for the. first weekend at least and then, you. know, you if you're going to do it and.

only bet the amount that you're willing. to lose. Yes, of course. We lose I lost so much money gambling on. March Madness the last few years. Oh, yeah. Not this year. I'm not going to. lose this. Not this year. Not this year. Selective AJ. We're not picking every We. don't need to pick every g You don't. need to have every game, you know. Look, Connor's doing every game of the. underdog. That's his He's just doing the. underdog. You have to to end up on top. because if you don't if you miss one. Yeah. If you miss one, then you're just. the biggest [ __ ] See, I did it with. Con man and I took the 16 seeds off cuz.

those are pretty much a guarantee. they're going to lose. And that was. very, very helpful. Pretty much until. until what? Until what happened? Well, it's like whenever you bet the thing on. blackjack that the three card showing. will be a straight flush or whatever. Bingo. What happened? Yeah, you hit it. I hit it in New in New Orleans. So, and. you were on it. Yeah, I was on it. Oh, what a moment. So, you tell me. I was. 750 bucks. Welcome to the jungle. Somebody else. could have won that. They didn't bet it. Yeah, this is what we do here. No, other. people do better every single time. Never get it. Mhm. You know, that was a.

lot of people down in that casino. Yeah. Yeah, that casino was blasting [ __ ] So, without a doubt. That casino knew what. was happening. Super Bowl. A lot of. people here. Let's have our [ __ ] best. [ __ ] Yeah, they did. The cards were. like, "This is our weekend. We do this. We do that. You You come to our city. We. are. It's a home game for the Cards at. And also the Dice. I saw the Dice. They. linked up with the cards as well. They. were like, "Hey, listen. We're going to. have a good weekend here. We're going to. beat them. We're going to beat them.". Dealers going, "Oh, yeah. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. Arms getting tired actually. Take. that. A lot of lot of tricep work here. A lot of pushing on this way. That was. life down there for me at least." Yeah. I mean, that's a week. That's a gigantic. week for that casino. Think about it. They have to win. They did. Yeah. And Yeah. I guess that's. how they viewed it, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. There's some casinos that we. thought were givers. That was one of. them. Take them off the board. Mhm. Yeah. Now, we know what's what's the. Jack's Casino? Cleveland. Cleveland.

Cleveland. Cleveland. That's a smile. coming out of that casino. That's what. you need to judge. Smiles coming out. When you're walking in, go ahead and. give a little look see at everybody. leaving. What's their mood? They just. all [ __ ] lost. Okay, we're donating to the city today. That's what your thoughts are going in. Now, now you got your expectations. People smiling coming out. Jovial group. Okay, maybe the casino is given today. And that's just kind of how it goes. AJ, it's good to know. That's I did not look. at people coming out of the New Orleans. casino when we were going in actually.

Yeah, people are looking at me though, I. think, on my way out there cuz we were. the first ones in. That was from in the. afternoon. Yeah, true. We were the ones. that set the tone on what the day is. going to be like for other people. They. saw us potent. Yeah, we were. Are we. eating or what? That's getting the, you. know, 4:30 dinner. Yeah. Do we have any. reservations anyway? I thought this was. going to go a lot better. And we're all. walking out phones. Yeah. Classic casino. stuff. All right. If this goes in, we're. rolling in.

Oh no. Ah, it's close. This one. Oh no. It's international game. Yeah. The thing about the international ball. is it slips off the pinky. It's a slick. ball. That's cuz uh Europeans don't have. pinkies. Yeah. You got one under the You. got under the Oh, this is what it was. supposed to be the whole time. Yeah. Oh. no. Bank. [Music]. Didn't make it to the hoop one time. It's all right. Hey, I got one here. I. got one here. Yeah. Yeah. Good eye. Good.

eye. This is for the good of all of us. here. You want you want to step into it? Yeah. Just go ahead and fe Oh, yeah. Nice. Bang. Bam. Oh my god. Still didn't. make it. All right. I'm not betting this. weekend. Okay. See you guys on Monday. Okay. I'll have the next week. What I. just did has nothing to do with any of. you. Don't you worry about that. Obviously. Sure. Okay. Have a great. March Madness. Boys in the back. Great. work this week. Sure, boys. Graphic. boys. Good work this week. Good work, boys. To all our guests. Thank you so.

much for your time. We did a lot of. college basketball. Obviously, I feel. like we know more than we've ever known. in the past going into the tournament. A. lot of football talk, a lot of. narratives, a lot of rumors, a lot of. stories, and uh we'll continue to talk. about very topical things happening in. the world every single day. Yep. If. something trends for 24 hours, it's. probably going to get chatted about. Got. to do it. And that's what it's like doing uh daily. sports, daily show. And tomorrow we're. off. Friday we're off. And uh we're. going to go watch these games just like. everybody else. Enjoy it. Be a friend.

Tell a friend something nice. to my. change in life. We're in this thing. together. Team on me. Team on three. 1 2. 3. Goodbye.