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>> Hello, beautiful people and welcome to. our humble abode. The Thunderdome on. this [music] Super Bowl season watch. Wednesday, January 28th, 2026. This. program [music] begins now. FOOTBALL. >> IS THE GREATEST AND THERE'S SO much. drama surrounding our great sport at. this exact moment. We have coaches. getting hired in places. Congratulations. to Todd Monin, the new head coach of the. Cleveland Browns. >> Now, there was a conversation about.

Schwarz Jim, uh, the defensive. coordinator with the Cleveland Browns. being a package deal with the Cleveland. Browns if you become the head coach. So, if Todd Monkin is running the offense, which we know he is an incredibly elite. offensive play design, play caller, you. name it. He was with the Cleveland. Browns in 2019. Then he goes and to. University of Georgia, wins back-to-back. national championships, comes back to. the NFL with the Baltimore Ravens, leads. Lamar Jackson to an MVP- like season, and some people would say greatest. season Lamar Jackson has had. Now, this. past year, obviously, the defense was. what it was in Baltimore. But now he.

takes over in Cleveland with a place. with a question mark at quarterback. I. think a lot of people would say have a. Pro Bowler, though. >> That's right. >> Shador Sanders, that's a massive topic. of conversation. What's the future look. like for him and Cleveland Browns? Todd. Monkin though, if he's got Schwarz as a. DC or a good defensive coordinator with. who's stacked up over there, maybe the. Browns get themselves back in the big. dance. And you talk about the AFC North. as as a whole. Coach Mike McCarthy was. just introduced as a Pittsburgh Steelers. head coach yesterday had a press. conference. Didn't a get a word out. before he started crying. >> Didn't even get a word out. Here's coach.

Mike McCarthy, the new head coach of the. Pittsburgh Steelers, yesterday at his. press conference before he even starts. speak. This is his first time he is. about to speak as Pittsburgh Steelers. head coach. All right, here we go. Um, thank you, Art. I think, um, I thought I'd at least be able to get. started. Um, >> you know, often times coaches and. players, you know, you put on new team. colors and it takes it takes a minute to. feel comfortable in those new colors. Uh.

but to be blessed beyond any measure one. day to put on the colors you wore since. you brought home. I apologize. I told you not to sit my family down. here in front. This [laughter] is so. unfair. >> Got my mom and dad sharing. >> You come home from Mercy Hospital. I I. do want to thank I want to thank Art Art. Rooney, Omar Khan, Dan Rooney, and um. the entire Steelers organization for the. trust they placed in in me. [clears throat] to represent one of the. most storied franchise in all of sports.

I understand and embrace the. responsibility, the privilege, and the. weight that comes with this stewardship. uh this city, this franchise, this fan. base, uh means the world to me. because Pittsburgh is my world and uh. it's just awesome to be back here. >> Unbelievable. We got change in. Cleveland, change in Pittsburgh. A man's. emotional to be back in his hometown. LET'S HEAD TO HAMMER DON AP TONE. BIG. PITTSBURGH Steeler fan. What was the. reaction from the iners after. yesterday's uh press conference from.

Mike McCarthy? >> That right there is how you win over. Pittsburgh. You you've put some tears on. your shoulder talking about where you're. from. The black and the gold bringing. another one home. That was chef's kiss, brother. >> Okay, we got actual Pittsburgh dad now. becoming a head coach of the Pittsburgh. Steelers. Reminiscent of the Bill Card. So Todd Mon, Mike McCarthy, the AFC. North, a whole new Jesse Mter, head. coach over there in Baltimore. He'll be. joining the show, I do believe, uh, tomorrow. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we'll get a chance to catch up. with him. Congrats to all three parties.

They're getting brand new teams and the. AFC North looking vastly different going. forward. But, you know, new head coach. in Cleveland certainly worthy of. discussion. Mike McCarthy being. introduced as the head coach of his. hometown Pittsburgh Steelers. Certainly. worthy of discussion. Jesse Mentor. coming on show tomorrow. Worthy of. discussion. >> Yeah. >> There's only one convo about sports. >> That's right. And it's about how these. awards go about being given in these. titles. Bill Bichc officially not a.

first ballot pro- football hall of famer. is the pro football hall of fame because. they like to carry themselves and we. have met all the people that operate the. hall of fame. These people love ball. They love the hall of fame. But it. precedes the NFL, you know. So it's pro. football hall of fame over there in Ken. It's a lot of things the history of the. game and and everything like that. the. people that do the voting for who gets. in there, you know, it certainly feels. like are kind of getting exposed right. now for maybe, you know, holding some. personal biases against people instead. of, you know, just giving out a vote of.

who should be in the pro- football hall. of fame. You know, Bill Bich, if he's. not a first ballot contributor, you. know, cuz it's players and then there's. like contributors. This is where. coaches, GMs, uh, uh, contributions to. the game. I think, uh, Madden went. through this and also as a co, like I. think that is how he went through. So. there's like different categories of how. you get in. Coaches, GMs, and. contributors, I think, are in their own. kind of sphere of, their own world. He. could be two of those things. He could. be a coach, first ballot hall of famer,

and he could be a first ballot general. manager hall of famer. I mean, if you. were the guy who drafted Tom Brady, a. pick 199, who would go on to become the. greatest and then make the decisions. that you make with your roster and the. turnover and the ability to kind of do. salary cap gymnastics before everybody. else, let alone all the Hall of Famers. that he's drafted, coached, brought on. to the team had success with as a. general manager alone, okay? And he'll. say he had people helping him. He. certainly did, okay? That every building. turns out it's not just one person doing. it, but the general managers take credit. for the team that they've assembled to. be able to do this. He would be first.

ballot hall of famer if you put his. resume up just as a general manager and. then you go for a head coaching thing. That's what we're what are we even. talking about here? He's the guy. A lot. of people have said, you know, the. Lombardi is certainly a good title. >> Mhm. >> Everybody's hunting the Lombardi. Lombardi is an absolute legend. There's. an argument to be made that that SHOULD. BE CALLED BELLICH. THERE'S A. CONVERSATION about his name potentially. being on the trophy that you win. whenever you beat everybody else in the. league. And it's been a fascinating. thing. Feels like everybody in the ball. world.

has the same opinion. Feels like some of these media people. high horsing a little bit. >> Some of these people that have the power. to write legacies, the power to change. trajectories, the power to decide. whether or not you're a first ballot or. a second ballot or a Hall of Famer at. all maybe feel as if they're holier than. thou. Maybe the way uh they see life is. the only way to see life. Maybe the way. they want things to be handled is the. only way for things to be handled. Because Bill Bich was never really nice. to the media. I mean, that was not a. >> No, not his thing. >> What's your tattoo you have on your.

bicep? >> We're on to Cincinnati because he, you. know, they kept asking him about the. previous game that they lost very uh. poorly against Kansas City and he just. responded to every single question. We're on to Cincinnati. >> Yeah. And every other press conference. that he had, he was very joyful with the. media, right? You loved talking to him. >> Yeah. Uh he he he wouldn't eviscerate. them. He actually just decided to. completely uh render them indifferent. and not even answer their questions. >> And that was just local people. Was that. who was that? was across the board. You. you could go from, you know, preseason. week one all the way till Super Bowl. media week.

>> Okay. So, that that's basically that's. potentially who makes up a large portion. of who's doing the vote cuz it's one. writer from each city, I do believe. Then there's a select group of national. reporters who cover the game that are. selected to do the voting. And then. there's like a senior at large where. Bill Poland, I believe Tony Dunie, a. couple others, they also in on the. voting thing. Now, there was some mixed. reporting last night that Bill Polon was. the one that was fighting AGAINST IT CUZ. SPYGATE. >> MHM. >> they did what we thought they did. >> They did the unthinkable. And as a.

person, I was in a training camp uh and. Bill Poland drafted me. So, I'm very. thankful for what Bill Poland did to my. life. He saw me as a punter when I. didn't think I was going to be a punter. But getting a chance to kind of watch. him operate in training camp whenever we. were outside, he there was multiple. conversations that happened about maybe. a plane flying a little bit too low or. too slow. It's Bellichic. somebody. sitting in the crowd, okay, with a hat. on looking a little bit too interested. That's Bellichic. There was a ultimate. kind of fear that there was somehow. getting hacked. There was something.

happening from the team up in New. England. So, whenever it comes out that. Bill Poland was standing on a table. basically saying, "We aren't letting him. be your first ballot for our" and maybe. others follow those suit because he do. that. I was fascinated, but I thought it. was believable. Then there was an. immediate report afterwards that said. just talk to Bill Poland. He said, "Absolutely not. That's totally and. categorically untrue. I voted for him.". Then there was another article that came. out from Don Von Nada Jr. who was at the. bottom of this entire thing and he says, "Uh, BILL TOLD ME, MAN, I DON'T.

REMEMBER. I DON'T REMEMBER HIM LIKE, but. then he also said 95% sure he voted for. him." Bill Polian, I will say, >> and I'm I'm just learning he still does. radio. >> He's man drafted me. Obviously, I watch. tail end of his career as well whenever. the Colts thing there. uh interacting. with him right now. I don't know if Bill. Poland 100% knew that he was going to be. on the record whenever he was talking to. Don Vanod. Now Don Van not a good. journalist probably told him he was. gonna be on but Bill Pol. 95% sure I don't know if Bill Polling.

knew for sure that everybody was going. to immediately go ah [ __ ] we know. that you didn't do it and then now the. question leads to get into the Hall of. Fame you have to get 40 of 50 votes. Okay, we know who the 50 voters are. that's been projected everywhere across. the internet now. Yeah. Because. everybody would like to know who doesn't. deserve to have a say in this thing. Who. are the people that get a vote for the. Hall of Fame, which is a massive ordeal. for everybody that plays in the sport? >> Who is mistreating or who is. disrespecting their position in having. the say in the matter? Everybody on.

earth seemingly is uh viewing it the. same way. And maybe this is how you. actually enact some change. And uh Bill. Bellichic whenever he was uh coaching. for the New England Patriots, he came. out and talked I assume they're playing. in the Hall of Fame game. He came out. and talked about how his parents were. from Ohio and he used to visit the Hall. of Fame. Here's him talking about it. >> My parents are from Ohio, from outside. of Cleveland. Um, and so we regularly. went to the Hall of Fame uh in Canton. and um my dad knew a couple of the.

people there that you know he had uh. known from his Ohio connections and we. went out into the basement of the Hall. of Fame and and they would show us uh. their collection of books which was uh. other than the Library of Congress, I. think it's the largest collection of. football books. >> You think you're talking about a guy who. loves ball loves the Hall of Fame and I. think he understands the Hall of Fame. isn't its voters. The Hall of Fame is. the museum that is kept by people who. love ball. But it's certainly an. interesting thing as somebody who loves. history of ball knowing that he's not. going to be a first ballot. We reach out.

to Bill. Sounds like Bill is still a. massive fan of the Hall of Fame, understands the history of the. tradition. He I think he didn't really. say that he was confused by it all, but. he certainly wasn't, you know, he wasn't. like up. He wasn't letting they were. recruiting. I know he was out. recruiting. He's just going to kind of. move on. I think that's what Bill Bich. kind of does in this entire thing. But. it has provided an opportunity for a lot. of people who have a lot of respect for. Bill Bich to come out and go to bat for. him when maybe over the last year and a. half or so they have felt a little shy. to do as such. So this has really.

seemingly been the one where everybody's. kind of like man they've been they've. been kind of burying this guy for a long. time and then all of a sudden oh he's. not so Bill Bichc's not a Hall of Famer. Okay. It kind of feels like the one that. kind of tipped the thing where. everybody's like we need to stop the. disrespect and the slander of Bill Bichc. for what he did in New England. So in. the end I think publicly this might be a. good thing for Bill Bichc that's. happening because everybody's kind of. rallying around it but ultimately legacy. wise Bill Bichc is he worth a damn he's. not a first belt hall of famer talks the. table at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt con.

man massive Patriots fan your thoughts. on it all. >> I think it's cool to see what you just. mentioned everybody basically coming out. and saying hey the Hall of Fame is not a. croc of [ __ ] but it is completely. tainted. I I think it's it's interesting. the standard that they're holding Bill. to. you know, Mahomes tweet there, LeBron James, I believe he also tweeted. and basically said like, "What are we. talking about?" So, seeing everybody. universally agree on something. I don't. know if we've had that possibly ever, especially in the last, you know, 10, 15. years, 10, 15 months. Um, but also just. the two eras, you know, think about the.

coaching changes just uh between his. first three Super Bowls to his last. three Super Bowls. I mean, it's just. it's remarkable. And in the end, he will. be in the Hall of Fame. >> Yeah, I think he will be in the Hall of. Fame. Let me tell you, hey, we are live. We're live. We're live. We're live. >> Is that Bill? >> Hey, we're live. >> It might be. Yeah. Bel. >> Can I tell people you just called me. right now? This was like a pretty cool. >> BROCK LESNAR JUST CALLED. >> OH [screaming] [ __ ] [laughter].

>> BROCK. HEY, BROCK. >> The boy saying what's up. THE BOY SAYING. WHAT'S UP. [screaming]. >> HEY, what are you doing, dude? >> What are you up to? Are you still doing. that stupid podcast? It's not. Okay. [laughter]. >> It's a show. It's a full show now. We're. uh we're doing a full show all the day. Yeah. All the time. All the time. What. are you doing? >> I'm just calling I was just calling to. see what's up, man. >> Well, I'll hit you back sometime. It's. great to hear from you. It's great to. see you. What are you doing? You look. like you're in great shape. >> I'm always in great shape, man. No, I'm. uh I'm heading to the Royal Rumble,

boys. I'm going to win it. >> OH, YOU'RE IN THE ROYAL RUMBLE. You're. in the Royal Rumble. I. >> I'm going. Yes, sir. >> Okay. Are you prepared? Are you ready? We haven't seen you do much, right? Have. we? Have we seen I I might have missed. I haven't seen you do much. Are you. ready? That's a lot of dudes. 30 men. 30. dudes. You being one of them. Are you. ready to get your uh A lot of young. bucks out there, too, Brooke. A lot of. young bucks out there, bro. >> I'm in shape, brother. I'm in shape. >> We're going to do this. >> All right. Safe travels. I'll call you. back. >> All right, man. >> All right. See you.

>> That's big news. >> What a legend. That's big news. >> Breaking. >> I haven't seen Brock's name pop up on my. phone in months. Maybe even. Yeah. Long. time. >> Had to answer. >> So as Yeah. And Yeah. Had to. It feels. like that. Had to answer. That's one of. those phone calls. So great to hear from. him. And then him just being like, "Hey, just call say what's up, dude. How you. doing? Life good?". >> I think he was probably going to ask if. I was if I had to guess. That was uh. >> hey, are you who's all do we know? >> I have seen some odds, some rumblings. >> for what?

>> You may be making an appearance. >> No. No. [laughter] Okay, we can make. sure we know that. That's okay. But. Brock Lesnar going in the Royal Rumble. I think he was on the posters. I think. he was on the posters. Oh, >> I think he's in the Royal Rumble though. officially now. I guess that's why he. just said he's going to go win it. Fantastic. There's a Hall of Famer in. multiple things. Now, let's get back to. the task at Brock. Brock's going to win. a Royal Rumble, by the way. >> He better win. I'm sick of Gother. He. better win this thing. >> Gunther Gunther's not in the Royal. Rumble, I think. Uh, >> he's wrestling AJ Style. >> I thought he was in it. I saw the list. Said it in, you bonehead.

>> Listen, just let's have a little bit of. respect and appreciation out here for. what's about to happen. The Royal Rumble. is the greatest event of the year if you. just like nostalgia and pop and surprise. and magic. AND NOW THAT THIS whatever. his music is going to hit, >> boom. >> Honestly, they should cancel it though. >> Why? >> Because he he What are we doing? You. think Brock's going to lose? I mean, the. only guy I could maybe see him tossing. over tossing Brock over the the top rope. is CM Punk. So, I hope it doesn't come.

down to those two guys at the end. But. >> what are we even doing? Why? Why would. you even enter now? >> Yeah, if you if you have an opportunity. to do the Royal Rumble, we suggest you. opt out. >> I agree. >> right now. Maybe the other 29 just say. we're not doing it. >> Maybe just do Punk Lesnar. I mean, that'd be like a Rushmore matchup if it. was them two verse each other. That that. would be exactly what you want. >> That would be something that would be. something that everybody would be. looking forward to. Top four, maybe top. four out there in the history of of the. business. Let's get back to top four.

top two, top one probably whenever. you're talking about. Congrats to Brock. That's good news for WWE. Certainly. >> Yeah, that's great news for ESPN. 2 p.m. on Saturday. It's great news to us, too. Yeah. 2 p.m. on Saturday. We'll. certainly watch that. I'm excited to. call him back. See what else is going on. in his life. He lives in the. >> Yeah. Near Saskatoon, right? >> Yeah. The sticks. >> Yeah. He chooses to middle of nowhere. >> Middle of nowhere. Way out. >> Skin and Wolves. >> All right, let's talk about top one all. time. Bill Bichc. Darius, you were. drafted by uh this man, this program, this uh franchise, the New England. Patriots. Debbut, nine-year NFL vet. I.

consider you to be one of the smartest. ball knowers of all time. I assume you. attribute a lot of that to the time in. which you're with Bill Bich and how they. went about doing your business and then. obviously developed in your own ways. there. But for this travesty, >> yeah, >> to happen in a in a popularity contest. now, congratulations on getting into Broward. County Hall of Fame. >> Thank you. Thank you to the voters as. well. >> Yeah, exactly. Anything that's voted. upon, >> Yeah. >> it's always an interesting feeling. Like. for me, I never won these votes. Okay, so I think all awards that involve.

people voting and the people that are. doing the voting normally hate my guts. Like I didn't even win male athlete of. the year at my high school. I had. scholarship offers in three sports. I. don't know how often that happens and my. school is not like pumping out athletes. all the time. Voted by teachers. Okay, so that didn't happen. Ray Guy award. Okay, that's where I met this guy. 12-year NFL vet AQ Shipley. The guy who. won didn't even have enough punts to. qualify really for an average on the. internet, but it was just no way is that. [ __ ] winning. So, like I have been on. the wrong side of a lot of these votes. So, it kind of makes me feel like uh uh.

who cares? Who cares? We got to judge. the people that are doing the voting. But getting that honor bestowed upon you. for your legacy is obviously something. that is very very special. So, I've kind. of always been indifferent about these. titles that are voted on by people that. I don't think understand what's going on. and the reality of the situation. But. this particular predicament, it feels. like everybody's kind of viewing it the. same way. And it's like, how do you. think you are too good to put in the. greatest of all time? There has to be a. flaw in the system of some sort. That. makes sense. >> This is an absolute joke. And you you've.

heard people, you mentioned anybody who. knows ball, whether you hate the. Patriots, whether you hate Bellich, Tom, everyone has come out and said pretty. much the same thing. I, you know, grew. up a doll fan. I'm a Don Schula guy, perfect season, super all that, Don. Shelter is obvious Don Schuler is. obviously one of the goats. But when you. talk about coaching GM a contributor, there is no one who tops the list who's. is even really a debate when it comes to. Bill Bich. The same way it is with Tom. Brady and quarterback in my opinion. So. this is a joke. And then the part of it.

about like how much he respects and. loves and how much reverence he has for. the game of football. We all remember. like the top 100 when he was sitting at. the table in NFL films and him just. doing just going through all the. football. I remember being a player. probably my rookie year. we were going. to play either the Packers or the Lions. and this dude had on film from like the. 1950s, you know, talking about I believe. it was the Packers talking about the. evolution of the forward pass and the. history of Lambo and all these different. things. So, this is the type of guy that.

is he is the coach we always felt more. prepared than the other team. Uh I I I. can't this this I thought the rules were. changed for Bill Bich to be able to go. into the Hall of Fame. Like literally, I. thought this was this was why it was. changed. Same thing with Craft as an. owner, but um Bill being left off first. ballot, we've seen it happen with. players. Terrell Owens is the first one. that comes to mind. Like he was I. thought a no-brainer uh first ballot, but we know his relationship with the. media. So, we thought maybe it would be. some of that. But this is this is a. joke. This is an absolute joke. It's a.

sham. It's a mockery. >> Yeah, I think there's a lot of words. that you could use to describe it and. they'd all be accurate, especially if it. seems like it's a fraud. Like and now. now everybody's questioning the Hall of. Fame as a hole, >> which is not good because the Hall of. Fame is a special place. The Hall of. Fame is a special jacket to wear. 12-year NFL vets, Super Bowl champion, player coach Jackie Moon of the Tampa. Bay Buccaneers. AQ Shipley. >> Hey Couch, obviously you were seventh. round draft pick as well. You did win. the Remington that night. Congratulations. You deserved it back. there whenever we were doing the ESPN. College Football Awards down Orlando.

Great time. uh your thoughts on Bill. Bichc not getting in there and now the. conversation that's surrounding the Hall. of Fame as a whole because that did. seemingly become the thing when the. voters aren't the Hall of Fame though. The voters are just kind of pass handed. the baton of who gets in and who. doesn't. There's a lot of olds in there. that have been around a long long time. that I wonder if they start to think. that it's their Hall of Fame as opposed. to the Pro Football's Hall of Fame. Kind. of an ownership type deal because we've. been here so long and this is kind of. our world. I think they kind of uh get. excited about that type of power. I.

think there are certainly some people in. those positions that have that. >> Yeah, certainly. And I think I my my. thoughts echo everybody else's. sentiments. I mean, listen, Bill Bichc's. arguably the greatest person, not just. GM, not just coach, the greatest person. that's ever been involved in football. And I know every single time I played. him as a player, never beat him. Always. went into those games think, "Yeah, we're going to beat him." Then you come. out of the game and you lose 49 to7, it's like, "Of course we weren't going. to beat him. He was going to take away. our best player. He was going to bracket. this guy. he was going to make us play.

with our left hand and there was no. chance at us beating him. But again, you. just look at his record and you look at. his time in New England, it seemed as if. they were in the Super Bowl every other. every other year. And if you look at the. numbers, it basically comes down to. that. I know it doesn't work out that. way, but I think it was 10 Super Bowl. appearances or or Super Bowl. >> championship. You get what it is, right? But I mean, I think whenever you think. about Bill Bich, it's not just the. greatest head coach. It's not just the. greatest GM. It's not just the greatest. contributor. He might be the greatest.

person that's ever been involved. >> Offense coordinator. He met with Tom. Talking special teams. Obviously had. great knowledge. So. >> 16 conference championships coach as a. three as a coordinator, 13 as a head. coach. >> That was a great trivia. Here's another. stat from Hembo. Bill Bich has an above. 500 record against every NFL team in the. NFL. Yeah, I beat he beat everybody. And. I mean the list goes on and on about. accolades, but also just uh topical. references. We would meet a new head. coach that got a job somewhere and our. immediate reaction would be that guy's. gonna beat Bichc. That was literally.

>> Yeah. >> that guy's going to beat Bellich. It was. almost like Bama, you know, it was very. similar to like Bama is in college. Everybody gets big wins like we want. Bama. That's what it was with Sabin in. the NFL. was like they're going to beat. New England that and Bill was the. general manager and coach and sounds. like potentially partially DC whenever. he was there on the entire I this is. wild to think about but remember. >> people of these ilk are voting on a lot. of things so we got to remember that. >> quarterback coach don't forget that Tom.

Brady always talks about how like how. critical he was to him his his evolution. as a quarterback and then obviously. drafting him but then making that. decision to go from Drew through Bleo. who was a top pick, one of the highest. paid quarterbacks in the league to move. on and go with the young Tom. We never. get that with 90% of the head coaches. that that are uh that have been in that. position. And there's a story, you know, we talked about him being coordinator. and, you know, head coach because that's. the two of the main two of the three. main jobs. GM of course being off the. field up in the booth, but on the field,

uh, when Lawrence Taylor, when he was. with the Giants before he became the DC. with the Giants, there's a story about. how they hired Bellich and he was either. a defensive assistant or a special teams. assistant and Lawrence Taylor went in to. the front office. He's like, "Hey, what. the hell are we doing? Like, I'm not. going to be, you know, taking my orders. from this young Bill Bich guy. like why. the hell would I do that? And they told. Lawrence Taylor like no the the defenses. that you've been running the past two. years, this guy is the one that's been. making them, giving them to the. defensive coordinator and you've had.

your most successful seasons. Like it's. not even just when he is in those. positions. So you really can't even. fathom what he does contribute. And that. goes to what Debbut says like he can. coach any single position. >> Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is. a man who had the same thoughts as us. Can't wait to hear him depict it cuz. he's a future first ballot hall of fame. >> Maybe. Well, hope. >> I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK SO. >> THAT'S RIGHT. Maybe if you're lucky. enough. to have similar mindset and ideals as. the people who are voting you in to a.

fraternity that they are not in, but act. as if they own. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ. Watt, >> J. >> J, one day you'll get into this media. run hall of fame. Not the Pro Football. Hall of Fame, the media voter hall of. fame. I mean, maybe you will. Maybe you. will. You're tweeting a bit too much. You're getting a little loud on Twitter. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm. saying. Did I tweet? Did I tweet a. little too loud? Did I upset the apple. cart a little too much? I mean, what are.

we doing? [laughter]. >> Okay. So, you have the same reaction as. everybody else. Whenever Don Vanada uh. Jr., DVN, uh, Jr. reported it, I think I. thought it was fake. I'm like, well, how's he know? How how does Do we. already know who it is? Next Thursday. night, I believe they'll be naming the. official Hall of Famers. We might have. them on program Friday morning uh for a. game show actually. Now, do we have a. spot reserved, you know, just in case. there is a change of opinion before now.

and then? We shall see. So, them. reporting that he wasn't in there early, I was uh thought it was a lie, but then. as it was getting picked up and. repeated, it was like, how is this even. possible? Jage, this does feel like the. one that felt like a shorefire lock that. goes the other way. And it sometimes you. need that type of situation to kind of. drive a little change in something. Do. you think there's any way to fix this, change this, or what is kind of your. thoughts of the current reality of the. Pro Football Hall of Fame? >> Yeah. No, there like you just said,

there are literally like two, three. people in history that are absolute. no-brainer locks whatsoever. Bill and. Tom being two of those. And I saw. something where one of the voters was. like, "Why should the votes be released? What are you going to do?" Because you. shouldn't have a vote. If you have Bill. Bellichic not making the NFL, the Pro. Football Hall of Fame, you should not. have a vote for the Pro Football Hall of. Fame. The guy has eight Super Bowl.

titles. There's only been 59 of them. He's got eight rings from 59. Like, what. are you doing? What qualifications do. you want? How do you tell the story of. the NFL without Bill Bichc? Yeah, if you. didn't have him on your ballot and I get. this whole like, well, there was three. spots and you can only put like I don't. care if there's only three spots. Bill. Bichc is spot number one. Point blank, period. You figure out who fits in the. other two. No other matter should. happen. He is in the Hall of Fame first.

ball no matter what. The guy beat me. left, right, and center multiple times. I should have every reason to hate him. He's he's a first valid hall of famer. without question. >> Stupid. >> It feels like all the ball is coming out. and saying this right now, you know, because there's a lot of people. obviously for the last year and a half. or so, even the final years maybe at New. England who started to feel a certain. way about Bill Bich and how, you know, the way he did handle the media and the. way he operated in the public eye versus. the way he operated with his team, it. seems like very different. But in the.

public eye, he didn't want anybody to. like him. He didn't care if anybody. liked him. He's here to do a job. Let's. keep it moving. Whenever you're not. winning as much, whenever you act like. that, people throw that in your face a. lot. Like, hey, look at this. Look at. this. So, people have really celebrated. and danced on the downfall almost in. their eyes of Bill Bich. Now, Bill Bich. will say that he's building something in. North Carolina. It's going to be great. He was literally on the recruiting trail. this morning. They tried to run him out. of that job a 100 times. I mean, there. was multiple different things about. that. Obviously, his personal life is. talked about very, very loud. It feels. like this is the first time where all of.

ball has come together and acknowledged. Bill Bich for what he is. Do you not. agree with that, Jage? >> It's it's hands down the best PR that he. could have right now at a time where. obviously it hasn't been the greatest PR. for him the last year or two here with. everything that's gone on and it is a. galvanizing I mean have you ever seen. Twitter come together about anything. 100% all together at one time? >> It's been incredible to watch this. reaction because it's such that that's.

it's such a no-brainer. This is I mean. it's the stupidest. >> Now for Bill Bichc I'm happy he's. getting a chance to get his flowers. >> Yes. >> You know and I hope he does get to. experience that which is basically why I. wanted to call this morning as they were. on the recruiting show. I'm like hey I. just want you to know like everybody is. going to bat on your side for this. Like. I don't know how much you follow it. I. don't know how much you know but. literally everybody in ball including. Hoody including Hoody is coming out. He's a Dolphins fan. He's coming out on. your side. It does feel like he's. getting a lot of flowers right now that.

maybe he didn't get because there's that. documentary. Yes. There's the the all. the other stuff that kind of it's been a. very negative post leave of New England. for Bill Bich. >> And that's why after the documentary. like which was two years ago like not. that long ago after that documentary. came out everybody was basically like. hey Robert Craft what the hell are you. doing? Like why did you guys decide to. paint Bellich in this light? And a lot. of people in New England had a a lot of. qualms with Bob Craft for years because. of how they painted him. So you'd assume. that maybe they learned something from.

that. Just not even, you know, the. crafts because the crafts did. They. basically called their mistake and hire. Mike Frabel. But you would assume other. people would say, "Hey, everybody who. tries to bury Bill in the end inevitably. loses because all the football people. know how much he means to the game as a. whole." So the fact that they still came. out and did this is ridiculous. And now. if the reasoning, which maybe we'll find. out, maybe we won't. If the reasoning. is, you know, spy gate and deflate gate, what is that set for next year with Tom. Brady? Like what's the president there? Because he was a part of it. >> I think he's two years 2028 actually. Uh.

that was uh me from earlier misquote. Uh. but it will be fascinating how the. president is set now. You know, how is. the president set? >> Didn't they let in 20 people like a. couple years ago? >> Yeah, postco. >> Yeah, because of co and then there was a. Yeah, because there was a backup. There. was like a class where there were 20. people going in and but Bill Belich's. not in like what I mean like if you if. you got in or like if you're in there. you're like oh well hang on a second. should I even be here cuz Belch's not. here like do I deserve to be here? No.

cuz I don't have eight rings. Like like. if I. >> Oh J thinks there's a chance he's not. making it now. J is like hold on now. >> Well he was using that thing. >> Oh the bionic arm. >> Yeah. I am I am curious though for like. guys like JJ who like you should. unequivocally be a first ballot hall of. famer but after something like this. comes out like does that even matter. anymore? Like it seems like the whole. idea of of being a first ballot hall of. famer like that doesn't mean [ __ ]. anymore. Well, that's what this does.

Like that starts this conversation where. it should never be a conversation. Like. a first ballot hall of famer should be. the most highest honor, biggest thing. And the guys that are no-brainers should. be no-brainers. And now all of a sudden, it's completely switched this whole. mindset and it's turned the entire thing. upside down. And to your point of how do. you fix it? I don't know because what? Now we're just going to wait a year and. they're going to have a vote and he's. obviously going to get in next year and. then they're going to do a ceremony like. nothing happened and he's going to go up. there and he's going to not act like.

these people didn't screw him the year. before and and I'm sure he's going to do. he has such respect and reverence for. the Hall of Fame that I'm sure he'll do. it. >> but like we're all just going to act. like oh yeah like no you go back. tomorrow and you say okay commissioner's. decision we screwed up I I don't know. how you fix this is absurd. >> well and that's like Bill Polian's. taking on the shins, but it wasn't just. Bill Polon. Like I am under the. assumption that uh if you needed 40 out. of 50 votes, there were 10 to 12 people.

who had qualms with Bill and they. thought like I'm going to be the only. one. I'm going to be the one that. doesn't vote him first ballot so that. when it comes out it wasn't, you know, unanimous first ballot. Yeah, heroes. Exactly. And then turns out 12 people. ended up having a qual. and Bill Polon's. taken it and that's because he's the. only one with his name on it and that. has done an interview and stuff and you. know sure if he didn't vote for him. whether he did or not that doesn't. matter as much like. >> he doesn't know. >> he yeah he doesn't know but there there. are 11 people.

>> change please Connor's in the middle WE. DON'T NEED. >> HE'S 95 he's pretty sure. >> HE DOESN'T KNOW. >> HE'S 95% sure okay is that enough for. you people. >> he maybe shouldn't be voting anymore if. that's the case. >> I don't think You should be voting if. you don't know who you voted. >> That's fair. >> He was 95% sure the guy woke him up. He. was in the middle of a nap. Just had. some milk. He's 83. Ovaltine. He's 83. years old. We've seen this guy at these. games, these Colts games. It is news to.

me that he's doing a radio show. Okay. I'm very grateful for. >> news to him. He voted for. >> they might they might have woke him up. from a nap and be like, "Do you like. Bill?" And he's going to tell you that. clearly. I'm I'm off his ballot in. however many years. >> I assume Bo, >> maybe not. Maybe he'll forget. >> See, the issue is though like any. personal biases getting in the way of a. job that you're not supposed to utilize. those is certainly just a reality of. humans. I think it that which is why. like we can't be having you right there.

say J does even matter anymore if you're. first Battle Hall of Fame. We can't have. that happening. Okay. It's already. starting to happen at the Pro Bowl. >> Mhm. >> Okay. It's already starting. It's. already happening. >> Starting to happen. That's been done for. years. And Jage, I will say as somebody. that was in a Pro Bowl with you, Jade. known for taking Pro Bowl uh I don't. want to say seriously, but treating it. for what it is, celebration of ball and. sport. Won a truck to win the truck. >> Won a truck. >> Still got it. >> And defensive end, pass rusher is. certainly a position in which if you. were to go, you could steal a truck at.

the Pro Bowl every single year. [laughter] if you really wanted to. So I. respect that. But like the Pro Bowl's. deadone. Tuesday night flag football and uh I saw. was it Shawn Marman maybe that put the. post out about what the Pro Bowl used to. be. >> That was real from Shawn Marman. I grew. up wanting to go to Hawaii to go to the. Pro Bowl thing because of how cool it. looked, how awesome it looked. When I. make it to the NFL, I'm like, "All. right, >> I just want to get to Hawaii, do this. Pro Bowl thing." And then obviously make.

it first time I make it. It's in Arizona. and we had to drive out in the middle of. the desert. It was freezing cold. Love. Arizona, but it just didn't even have. the full hotel rented out. JJ couldn't. even hang out because there was another. convention happening in the hotel. It's. like this is not what I thought this was. going to be. And then everybody's like, "Well, the players aren't taking it. serious." Well, it feels like the NFL is. not taking it as serious either. We. can't even sit at the lobby bar because. there's a there's a t-shirt convention. happening at the same exact time at same. as our our hotel. So, I feel like. everybody contributed to the Pro Bowl. becoming ass. I I think everybody. contributed to that. We can't have that. happening to the Hall of Fame is is how.

I feel, J. That's how I feel. >> Yeah, I I agree. I I agree. I mean, my. I'm hopeful to be in it one day and I'd. love for it to hold the prestige and. value that it's held my entire life and. because of all the unbelievable names. and legacies and legends that are in. there. But I that's why this is so. blasphemous because if Bill Bich is not. a first ballot hall of famer, no person. in the history of the NFL deserves to. be. >> Jimmy Johnson said, >> "I don't want to hear it." Yeah, he said. Bill Polon was telling him how to cheat.

before as well. >> Well, let's read his tweet, please. Okay, let's make sure we get the words. right. If they are using the excuse, he. wanted to emphasize that of Spygate. That's ridiculous. Many teams, including. ourselves, I'm in the Hall of Fame, tried it. Howard Mud at Kansas City, who. later coached for Bill Polon and Tony. Dunie, gave us the idea. He was the. best. Rest in peace, by the way. We. didn't get anything and stopped, but. many teams gave it a try. Jimmy Johnson. will be joining us I believe in like 30. minutes or so to ch a little bit more. about that doing do some journalism but.

>> cheating you ain't trying. >> that is a fascinating thing because. whenever this was all coming out. publicly media wise um I think fanwise. the spy gate all the gates gets very. loud with these people and then. everybody in ball was like uh not that. big of a deal still got to execute still. got to execute let's keep it moving. let's keep it moving even a Connor. Stallion stuff it was very much like h. let's keep it moving let's keep it. moving and I'm not saying everybody is. cheating Okay. But there were certainly. a lot of people that were potentially. trying these things that were like, "Let's not look into this too deep. Let's go ahead and just keep it moving. how we're doing it here." So the spygate.

felt like that from within a building. But I do know there was people that. thought it definitely crossed the line. So I don't know where the spygate thing. falls in all this. I assume it certainly. held over his head. >> But but isn't that also the part like. you're just grandstanding if you're one. of these voters? Because like the only. people who truly could be pissed about. the Spygate stuff would be other front. office executives, coaches, stuff like. that. Guys who what maybe two or three. of those guys were actually in the. league at the same time of Bill that. have a vote. Like it's all these other.

people who are are saying like this. isn't right, this isn't right. Who. weren't in a football game. >> So Bill Pollon, I guess, would be the. person in that particular instance. Jade, your thoughts on that as we talk. about like the football culture as a. whole. They're treating the Spygate. scandal as like a punishable scand that. that must be the the reasoning, the. logic that they're utilizing in their. voting. I would assume. there there is no logic. There is no. reasoning. Like I don't get it, man. The. guy has eight Super Bowl rings. Like.

what are we doing here? Like this is. >> Oh, man. >> JIMMY JOHNSON IS GOING TO TELL US HE'S. been doing it the whole time, though. I. >> Bud bought a serious stray there. He. wasn't expecting to wake up today being. pegged with some. >> Well, jeez. Rest in peace to John. Howard. [laughter]. >> I know. Oh, it's all right. Didn't. >> Yeah. Actually, I will say I will say that Howard Mut. [laughter] and his family would laugh at. what you just did right there. Yeah. So, that is Don't feel terrible, but. >> but he ROLLED OVER IN HIS DAMN GRAVE.

THAT BILL PEL. SAID, "Hang on. Was that my name being. thrown around?". >> Howard Muddy is tough enough to do that. to. >> know about Coach Mud. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. on the sideline. He was Yeah. was getting all the signals. >> Coach, what. >> I mean that was everybody was trying to. do it. >> Everybody is doing it, man. You got. They're literally spy reports for every. single team. You're doing everything. But now I don't know how far it went. I. >> don't say this. Don't say this. You're. still up to vote. Now is not the time.

>> They didn't even win the Super Bowl. during the Spygate year. And then the. other gate is the flight gate. And they. came out and that happened in 2014. And. then 2015 they did a study of all the. footballs in the cold weather and said. like oh this happens every single cold. game like even deflategate was basically. >> the spy gate you would assume that. they've been doing this for a. >> long definitely have no ties to the. situation Connor like you'reustin. yeah I got brewing shirt I got the pads. pads helmet all this but still like even. the def Yeah I got my helmet right here. old. >> and the hall of fame helmet.

>> and the hallame. even yeah that's a great point the canon. At least they're good people. I think. >> they're they're still up here somewhere. But but seriously, the deflate gate uh. like that entire study about the. footballs comes out after the fact and. they say like, "Yeah, actually what's. crazy about air pressure is that when it. gets colder, the air pressure, you know, goes down." Ideal gas law. >> Any any punter or kicker or catcher or. thrower would be able to tell you that. about balls whenever it gets colder. But.

the original report came from Bill Ny. science guy, bro. >> Yeah. Bill Einstein's guy told me that. it's too much that that it doesn't move. that much. >> Yeah. And you know his middle name. >> Anybody with a car that lives in the. Midwest or anywhere cold will be able to. tell you that because when it's cold. outside and you get in your car, it. beeps at you saying your tire pressure. and then drive around for a while. Pops. right back up. >> I'm going to be honest. Mine's down like. 28 27 right now. >> Me too. But you know what you got to do? You just ride it out. By the time we go. home tonight, you'll be back up 30 31. You'll be fine. We have a couple non uh.

car cover people in the office. Tough. morning the other morning. >> Yeah. Jeez. >> Jeez Louise. We're talking a foot on the. hood. Driving a whole way. Clean out one. side. It's not moving. That thing's. frozen. It's like, can you see on that. thing? It doesn't even worry. But we got. a couple of that. And what? Need that. thing to get warm. Need the car to get. warm. It is. >> unbearably cold right now. >> And it's only starting where? You're. You're not in it anymore. a minute here and there.

>> It's been cold. We had snow days. >> Sure. >> You're not in your log cabin up in. Wisconsin. >> Don't worry about where I am. Don't. worry about where. >> you're not in your log cabin up there in. Wisconsin. I know that. I Because those. were the good old days whenever you turn. on JJ Watt lives in a log cabin. Freezing. It's like this guy's an actual. [ __ ] lumberjack. >> Ice bass in the lake. >> In the lake. Yeah. I'm like, "Holy hell, I love this guy. Paul Bunan. We got Paul. Bunion." And then I saw the the look. >> I saw you bundled up with a nice scarf. yesterday to go outside. What were you.

doing? >> Had to go clean a little thing off for. two, you know, little Blue the dog that. we have. His energy doesn't wait. You. know, he he he ain't got the time. So, we got to get him out there and run a. little bit. So, I I had to get him out. there and run snot frozen. That's where. we're at. Oh, yeah. We're at snot. freezing time. >> And there's another one coming. >> And I don't have a lot of cold weather. stuff cuz I don't really get cold. So, that was everything. >> Yeah. You don't live. >> What's that? >> Yeah. You live in a place that you. wouldn't need it for sure, >> James. I don't get cold. >> Get some cold weather stuff, brother.

Get some car heart on you. Holy [ __ ]. >> Yeah, I know. I need I need a little car. heart on me. Okay. I need it, but I. don't get cold really. And if it's not, I just put a hoodie on. I got some. gloves. I'm good. That one face. Had to. do the full on scarf. That was from. Travis Kelce. I believe you sent me a. gift back there. Thank you, Travis, for. doing that. That pulled that out of a. box. I'm like, do I have one of these. things? What can help me? Oh, Travis, shout out. Super fashionable. did. Yeah, I felt pretty good about it. But it's. cold as [ __ ] J. >> It's cold as [ __ ] out here. >> Yeah. Oh, I I I believe that.

>> Hey, you're hiring an American, I heard, for your team, Espanol. >> We'll see. We'll see. >> What do you mean we'll see? Diego Luna. deserves a spot. >> We're working on working on a few. different things. We got some ref issues. going on. We're trying to. >> trying to figure some things out here. been some been some questionable things. happening and we're trying to make sure. that everything is on the up and up and. uh we're we're not we're not getting. little club syndrome here. We're we're. going to stand up to it. >> What you're getting you're getting.

little bro by the refs. You got what's. >> we're not we're not taking that. We're. not taking that. We're looking for some. answers. We'd like some answers. >> What are they? They're saying excuse me. espanol. Why don't you uh shut up? I. don't know how they say that in Spanish. Uh, hashit. >> is that what they're saying to you? >> Uh, I mean, it's just there's just been. some questionable calls lately that uh. we'd like some answers to. Uh, we don't. like we don't like just sitting there. and taking it. So, we're hoping to get. some answers and some understanding of.

why things are happening the way that. they're happening. So, we'll see how. that goes. >> Who do you meet with the commission? >> New territory. New territory here. >> Yeah, this is very new. Are you guys. sitting at a desk? Like are you doing. the whole are you guys going to be. across the table like litigation type. situation or are you via Zoom call? >> It's it's the early it's an early. process. It's early process and I I'm. we'll see how far the process goes. Um. yeah but Manolo had his thoughts and I. appreciate him sharing them. >> Uh ownership backing Espanol coach.

Molo's thoughts uh in which he shared in. which he says seems like there's one. club that always gets screwed and. nothing ever happens. would like to know. how this works. J, I'd like to say as. somebody that's been around you a few. times, your presence in the room is. certainly worthy. I think 67 JJ Watt. walks in to meet with the commissioner. of La Liga, I think that's not a bad. play. Maybe do a little not, you know, couple of these on the desk. Hey, so. how's this work? This ain't same old. espanol. Okay, they're good people down.

there. They don't want to do this. I'll. snap you in [ __ ] hair. >> Yeah. >> Is that what you're going to do? Is that. what ownership? >> Our boys are working. Our boys are. working. And they're putting in shifts. They're trying. All I'm asking for is a. fair opportunity for him to go out there. and play. That's all. >> Nothing wrong with that. That's good. ownership. Hey, that's good ownership. >> That boy, J. >> Way to go, Jage. Sign American now. >> Dumpy. I saw you got to see Mike. McDaniel yesterday. That was cool. >> Yeah, it was nice to give him a nice. send off. He deserved that lot. He was. awesome. I liked him. I wish it would. have worked out genuinely. >> How do you feel, J about him going to.

LA? That feels like a great hiring. Also, best hiring in Debut's eyes is. actually in Tennessee. >> Yeah, my favorite right now is Brian. Dval, OC for Cam Ward down there in. Tennessee with the defensive head coach, Robert Salah. Um, so I would be. interested to know, J, what's your. favorite hire so far in this cycle? >> They've built a good staff there, man. That Tennessee has has built a nice. staff there. I How crazy is it? I was. thinking about this right before I came. on. How crazy is the NFL? We just had. two championship games on Sunday.

everything that comes with that. We know. who's going to the Super Bowl. We have. head coaching hires going left and. right. And those things are pushed down. down down the media ladder because we. have a bigger story on our hand. Like. bigger story than the championship. games, bigger story than the Super. upcoming, bigger story than these head. coaching hires. Um, but in terms of who. these head coaching hires, I I mean I. saw today the Browns obviously hired. Monkin. Uh Jim Schwarz in my opinion. then seemingly would be available. because I believe he interviewed twice. for the Browns head coaching job this.

cycle and didn't get it. So I have a. very. >> has been reported he's out. >> So I mean there's another guy available. right now for people looking at DC's and. obviously been a very successful. defensive coordinator in this league. So. that would be a hot name to look out. for. Who knows where that ends up. But. this cycle has been really really. interesting to watch. I mean, obviously. the Buffalo situation just happened. there. They were looking for a new vibe. after everything. And um I think Joe. Brady's a great coach. I think he has.

potentially be a great head coach. A lot. of people had him on his radar, but I. just don't know if new vibe uh is from. within the same building. I don't I. don't. >> We will have Joe Brady on tomorrow, >> I believe, at like 1:30 Eastern or so. Uh I think he has a presser and then. he's going to join us. I've been told. immaculate vibes. Now, what does that. mean? And. >> he he is great. I've talked to him a. bunch this season because we had a bunch. of their games. He is great. I There is. no doubt that he he a he's been a head.

coaching candidate for a long time for a. reason. He is great. But what I'm saying. is when you go out and do a press. conference about the reason that you. fired a coach being going in the locker. room and seeing the vibes being down and. feeling you needed new energy like that, you can just see how optically that's. just an interesting. >> Well, then there's another optic to it. as well, Connor. >> Yeah. Not to mention, Jage, when the. owner comes out and says like, "Hey, the. the coaches, they liked Keon Coleman, not Brandon Bean." And then you think, "Well, Shawn McDermott's a defensive. head coach." So, the coaches that like. Keon Coleman would probably be the. offensive guys, which would then lead.

you to think, well, the offensive. coordinators, Joe Brady, so Joe Brady. love Keon Coleman. So, Terry Pagula just. once again throwing his guys without. even knowing it under the bus. >> No, it's just a master class out of, hey, I'm just going to shoot from the. hip up here. And you're allowed to do. that if you're an owner, especially if. you got a new stadium coming and. everything like that. But Joe Brady with. his great fade taking over up there in. Buffalo, I think, is uh potentially. special hiring if he can get it right. Like we've seen some of these Liam. Cohen, what we've seen Liam be able to. do down there in Jacksonville. Now,

obviously they're not playing for the. Super Bowl, but still what Ben Johnson. was able to do. And I'm not saying that. that's an exact, you know, comparison. because Ben Johnson was bell of ball for. head coaching role for like three, four. years. Everybody knew he was going to be. a guy. But if Joe Brady can bring a. little bit of fresh energy, a little bit. of a reset with Brandon Bean still doing. his entire thing, maybe the Bills win it. all. Maybe the Bills win all. >> I've heard Jim Leonard's name thrown. around for DC. I think Jim Leonard's. going to be a phenomenal defensive. coordinator in this league. He obviously. Wisconsin man, but that's a guy who.

whoever hires him as a defensive. coordinator. I'm very much looking. forward to watching their defense play. >> How'd you feel about Pittsburgh. yesterday? Big Mike McCarthy uh getting. emotional before the first words even. come out of his mouth. Obviously TJ. Pittsburgh Steeler. Obviously JJ Watt. has uh attended a lot of Steelers games, called a lot of Steelers games. Massive. turnover, first time in longer than 19. years. McCarthy takes over. Got. emotional. Say you love the city. And it. feels like he won over some people in. the city with his emotion and raw. authentic love and passion for the Three.

Rivers. What are your thoughts on Big. Mike McCarthy getting the gig and his uh. initial reports? Yeah, I mean, I've seen everybody's. reactions to the initial hire and the. understanding of everything that's gone. on from that standpoint, but I'm with. everybody else, but when you watch that. press conference, and we know it's not. about winning press conferences or. anything, but the man had some moments. The man had some great moments in that. press conference and it was I mean the. hospital line is just as good as it gets. from an opener and then he finishes it.

with we're going to start the. championship parade at my childhood. house or whatever 1137 Greenfield Avenue. I think it was. Um and he's got the. entire McCarthy family tree there which. is a large tree. Uh. >> yeah, >> it's uh I don't know. He crushed it. It. was a really cool press conference. It. was great. Um I think people are. starting to come around on down a bit. Obviously the offensive coach that'll be. cool to watch in Pittsburgh for the. first time. Haven't really seen that. So.

um he did as great of a job as you can. do at that press conference to get. people on board. >> Uh how do you feel about Pittsburgh. Steelers chances in a very new AFC. North? Jesse Mentor who will be joining. us tomorrow. New head coach of the. Baltimore Ravens. They obviously have. high hopes and everything they have. cooking up there. Move on from Harbaugh. You know Monkin just gets hired in. Cleveland right now. Schwarz is going to. be out. The big bad wolf potentially for. that Cleveland defense is leaving the. city. Very new AFC North with Zack. Taylor and Joey B still sitting there in. Cincinnati. What are your thoughts on.

how it kind of looks from this point of. view as we know nothing about the actual. rosters? >> Yeah, that's the that's the ultimate. question is I do like I understand the. qualms about Mike McCarthy and I I. completely get it. Uh, I also think that. in the desire for somebody new and. somebody exciting and somebody huge, there is a little bit overreaction in. the fact that Mike McCarthy is a good. football coach still. Like it's not like. the oh my gosh, how could we possibly go. with that guy? Like like let's not take.

it that far the other direction. Um, but. they it's the quarterback like are you. going to go with Will Howard? Are you. going to go is it going to be Rogers. again? Who's going to fulfill that. position? And how do you build that for. the future? That's the only pertinent. question there is the quarterback of the. Pittsburgh Steelers how that goes. In. Baltimore, you've got Lamar Jackson. So, you add Jesse Mter on the defensive. side. Defense would imagine be sure, see. who the offensive coordinator is, but at. the end of the day, you have Lamar. Jackson. That's going to be great. Cleveland, uh, they got to figure some.

stuff out. Obviously, their defense is. going to be great. They have Miles. Garrett, but I mean, they have work to. do. >> Pro Bowl quarterback, please. >> Jerry Judy, too. >> Yeah. And then you got the Bengals who. are running it back and weren't able to. make it obviously, but Joe Burrow's back. healthy and ready to roll. One of the. best in the absolute business when he's. healthy and running. So going to be a. great division, per usual. >> And I would imagine I'll probably be. covering a lot of their games like we. were last year. >> JJ Watt North, you know, I can't wait to.

hear it. You also had some AFC South. stuff as well. Obviously a lot of Texans. games. They were undefeated with JJ on. the call. >> Huh. >> Maybe we should look into that. Maybe. the Hall of Fame voters will do some. actual digging into things. How come all. JJ's teams win whenever he's on the. call? We'd like to get to the bottom of. that. You know, you talk about the. Cincinnati Bengals there with Joey B. being one of the best in the world. They. went from out house to penthouse. Joey B. gets hurt his rookie year, comes back, they end up going to the Super Bowl, almost win that thing if Aaron Donald. doesn't wreck the game. The Cincinnati. team kind of gave hope to a lot of.

different fan bases. This year feels. like that's been even more emphasized. Go ahead, AQ. Yeah, both teams in this. year's Super Bowl did not make the. playoffs last year, now they're in the. Super Bowl. What team or teams do you. see that didn't make the playoffs this. year, maybe having that same success. next year? >> Oh man, that's a great question. Uh, it's definitely one I wish I had time to. prep for. >> JJ, a little bit. >> I mean, I would say that the Ravens are. certainly in that. I would say that the.

Kansas City Chiefs are obviously in. that. I mean, you're immediately looking. at those types of teams that didn't make. it this year. um but are stacked and. ready to roll for next year. Um but it. also speaks to this league man. It. speaks to this league that this is. what's capable of happening and we. talked about with all the head coaching. turnover like everyone expects you to. win now and if you don't win within your. first two years sometimes your first one. year you are gone and they are looking. for somebody else. It is. I I think it's. great to watch and from a fan standpoint. and a somebody who's a fan of the game,

I love watching this. But from somebody. who also took some time to develop. myself and if I was on this type of. timeline would have been kicked out of. the league, like it's so damn hard to. develop coaches, to develop players, to. develop organizations properly when you. are doing things on this fast of a. timeline and the expectations are this. high, this quickly. Fernando Mendoza. with the Raiders, you know, might turn. them completely around. Who's their. coach? Who knows? Maybe the Arizona. Cardinals.

>> Maybe they go on a Super Bowl run next. year. >> Nah. >> Yeah, maybe the Arizona Cardinals do. The Jets, they've hired offensive. defensive coordinators. Obviously, >> don't see it. >> First year coach. Tennessee Titans. Cam. Ward. Huh. >> Possibly. >> maybe has an opportunity here with Dave. Ball calling the place. Jackson Dart, New York Giants. Sexy Dexi. Sexy Dexi. going very ham on the internet at the. moment. They got Jackson Dart. They got. Harbaugh. Do they have a complete. culture shift to make this thing? Bruce. is nodding his head. Yes, as a. Zufaholic. >> 11 wins or bus.

>> Can you show your hat to the camera? >> Zufa. >> Zufaholic, baby. >> 11 Wizard Bus fight Sunday night. >> So maybe the Giants make a run at this. thing. And then Washington Commanders. obviously you think Jaden Daniels Shuck. came on at the end of the season. the. one boom potentially goes crazy down. there in New Orleans. I mean, that's. that's parody of the NFL. >> Shotty Cowboys, >> Dallas. >> Dallas has a chance. >> Dallas and Detroit, >> easy quarterbacks. >> So, that's crazy to look at this graphic. cuz I'm like sitting here thinking like,

all right, who's their offensive. coordinator? Who's their D coordinator? And the guys they got like, you can't. even do that right now. There's so many. teams that don't have everything in set. or there's so many things that have. changed. It's crazy to look at this and. try and figure it all out right now. >> And not mentioned here is the. Indianapolis Colts cuz we don't have our. pick for the next two years. >> That's right. >> Okay. And there's a chance we make the. playoffs next year. >> Well, let's. >> There was one team that nobody agreed. upon, which is a shame because JJ's got. great history there. Ty has a last. question for you about an open coaching.

job still. >> Yeah, JJ, just curious. I know you. played there for a little bit and I. guess this would be partially to you and. AQ. Uh, do you think Arizona's ever. going to be worth a [ __ ] again? Or it. kind of seems like the last couple. times. Well, I'm just saying good. question. They're kind of that team you. circle and it's like, boy, does any. coach want to go take a head coaching. job there? Because chances are two years. he's going to lose a bunch of games, then he's going to get fired and they're. kind of just going to run everything. back. They don't have a quarterback. The. area is beautiful. >> Beautiful.

>> The stadium is beautiful. It seems like. it'd be pretty easy to get people to. want to go there, but what what does. Arizona need to do to kind of get back. on the right track? >> Yeah. I mean, right now, they need to. find out what their quarterback. situation is for the future. When you're. a head coaching candidate and you're. sitting there and you're looking at. opportunities, the number one first. thing you're looking at is who's the. quarterback of the team and is this. somebody that I can build off of and am. I going to tie myself to this and my. personal success knowing that this might. be my only shot at the apple? Can this. be my future? And then after.

quarterback, you start to look at the. organization as a whole and if you like. how it's run and if you think there's. potential for them to add an influx of. cash and everything to help build this. roster to be as good as possible and the. staff. But number one comes down to. quarterback and right now they don't. have that solution for what their. quarterback future is going to be and so. that's what makes it tough. But. everything else I agree with you man. There's a reason I went out there. I. thought we had a chance to win. We. started out 7 and0. We were very. successful. everything was going great. and then it kind of fell apart. But like.

you said, it's a beautiful place. It's a. great place to go and when you get the. players right, everything can happen. But that's why it's still vacant in my. mind right now. And that's why it's not. necessarily super attractive at the. moment because you don't have an answer. for what that quarterback future looks. like. >> Maybe JJ Watt becomes the head coach of. the Arizona Cardinals. >> Oo, maybe. >> Um, that's a lot of time commitment. I I. do not want to be a head coach. I really. enjoy my current work life balance. It's. beautiful.

>> Okay. I'm happy to hear you're happy. Now, some places need a little change. Sounds like La Liga is one of them. J, get to the bottom of the officiating. You'll be doing it for the good of sport. as a whole. We appreciate the hell out. of you. Are you going to be out the. Super Bowl next week? >> Uh, no. I will not be. Will you? >> Yes. >> Do you know the. >> It's part of Vegas biggest part of our. It's our whole thing. We do radio. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. You don't. know. >> I heard you're going to be at the Royal. Rumble, too, huh? Nice. Congrats. >> Now, Brock Lesnar's going to be in the. Royal Rumble. >> Oh, >> there are rumblings. JJ,

>> I thought that you were going to also. take that big jetty of yours and pop it. over this and go with him. >> No, no. Brock Lesnar is officially in. the Royal Rumble. We learned that at the. beginning of the hour with a cold. FaceTime from Brock Lesnar. Okay. I not. Brock. Yeah. And by the way, Brock's. gonna win that thing. IS JJ IN IT? OH, [screaming]. WE'LL SEE. THAT'S Are you. >> I don't Nobody's told me. >> NOBODY TOLD ME.

>> I'LL SEE YOU IN THE NEXT HOUR. GOODBYE. >> Electrifying here in Happy Valley. We're. lucky to be here. And uh you know the. way you win this is you have uh be the. first 300 people here and you get a. ticket and then we randomly select a. ticket and that person gets an. opportunity to kick a 33 yard field goal. for an undetermined amount of money. This week we had our man William, right? What's your name? >> William. Yes, sir. >> You won the raffle and you said, "I. don't want to kick because I suck at. kicking." Is that accurate?

>> More or less. >> What is your uh major here? >> I'm a finance major. >> Okay. So, money decision was I suck at. this. Let me try to find somebody who's. good at this. How did you land on my man. here? And uh what are your hopes in him? >> Well, I was looking around. I saw my. man. He said he plays soccer. And I was. like, this is my guy right here, my dog. Carson. I have faith in him. So, I know. he's going to get it done. All right. You're Carson, right? You played high. school soccer. Is that accurate? >> I did play high school soccer. >> Where are you from? >> I'm from Hannover, Pennsylvania. >> Okay. You're a Pennsylvania guy. Have.

you ever kicked a ball before? >> Other than not football, soccer. >> Okay. Well, hopefully you're terrible at. this. It's $100,000. Uh are you guys. splitting that 50/50? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Uh so we'll make it uh $300,000. $150,000 for both of you. >> Okay. You only get one kick though. You've game the ticket game, which I. appreciate and respect. It's up to. $300,000. 150 for both of you. Only one kick. though, Herby. We're not doing anything.

I don't care how many Sters chant for. another kick. >> Only one Herby played high [music]. school soccer. He's a good player. >> We got a problem here. >> That's right. It's a white out. It could. be a special day. YOU COULD HELP OUT. YOUR GUY William in winning $150,000. One kick, two. [cheering].

[cheering]. [cheering]. good, man. Carson, congratulations. >> You pushed them, >> WILLIAM. WAY TO GO. >> IT HAS BEEN AN EXPENSIVE YEAR OUT HERE. AT the field kick. Carson, I'm proud OF. YOU, BUDDY. 300,000. 150 to you. 150 to.

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this Super Bowl season walk Wednesday, January [music] 28th, 2026. Hour two of. the program begins now. >> Football is. the greatest. We got Hall of Fame. controversy. We got a Super Bowl matchup. ahead. We got new coaches in different. places. And we got optimism around the. league that maybe next year could be the. year that their team goes on a Lombardi. hunt. This year it's only he going to be. the New England Patriots fans or the. Seattle Seahawks fans who are going to.

spend all off season prancing around. peacock and party to party saying we are. the world champs. Will it be McDonald. and Darnold? Or will it be Drake May and. Frabel? Will it be the return to a. dynasty for the East Coast or one for. the left coast? It's a magical matchup. It's a magical time for ball. Todd. Monkin just got named a head coach of. the Cleveland Browns. They enter another. rebuild of sorts in Cleveland. The. Browns fan base, the Dog Pound.

A lot of barking up there. They got a. little leprechaun. Okay. Little mascot. named Brownie. >> Mhm. >> Right. He's a little leprechaun. >> Forgot about that. Yeah. >> Is that what he is? >> Yes. I believe he's an elf. >> There it is. An elf. I I couldn't think. of the other word. I knew it was similar. to a leprechaun. Bronnie the Elf in. front of the dog pond. They sell out. their stadium. They fill that place up. They have had zero continued success. since I have been alive. A lot of.

quarterbacks have obviously come through. there. Some have had success. They. immediately get shipped out of town. Seems like there's a multitude of curses. that could potentially be on the. Cleveland Browns football team, but it. does not turn the Cleveland Browns fan. base away from being fans. Mike the Miz. Misan, WWE superstar, former real world. legend. Uh he has belief every year that. the Cleveland Browns are gonna win the. Super Bowl. Even in the middle of the. season when Shador Sanders was playing. football, winning a game there or two. and although his stats weren't saying he.

was doing great, they had some sort of. magic that was kind of running through. them and they were winning. Miz thought. there was a chance they were going to. win a Super Bowl last year. These Browns. fans are dieh hard. Hopefully Monk's. able to bring them something that's. special on the offensive side with Miles. Garrett on defensive side. Hopefully. they're able to be great and it would be. cool for those Browns fans if the Browns. were good. But let's HEAD TO HAMMER DON. TIME. IS THAT EVER going to happen, Tone, with the Browns? >> No. No. I I I mean, I don't I don't And. this and this is nothing against Todd. Monk, and he's a great offensive coach. Obviously, they have uh great pieces on.

the defense side of the ball. It's most. likely a good hire as far as coaches go, but I mean, there's just something in. the water up there. I think it's poop, to be honest with you. Um that is it's. just never going to work up there. And. we all know that. a poop water uper. >> I mean, there's four teams that have. never uh been to the Super Bowl. Browns. are one of them. Lions, uh Titans and. Jags are the other two, just in case. people didn't know that. But. >> Titans have been to the bowl, Tony. >> Sorry. Sorry. Jags and Texans. I get the. stupid AFC South confused sometimes.

[laughter]. >> But no, I just I just don't think you. know it's ever going to work there. >> All right. >> History would tell us that it's never. going to work there. >> That's Pittsburgh Steeler fan Tone. Diggs. We appreciate you. Just got a. talk table at Boss Conor at Tai Schmidt. Ty, how do you feel about the new hires? 10 coaching changes this uh cycle. Uh. two still remain, Arizona and Las Vegas. Monkin being the most recent. Your. thoughts from Harbaugh to Monkin, all. the hiring in between. Which one gets. you most excited? Is it Big Mike back in.

Pittsburgh? >> Honestly, I think it's Jesse Mter going. to uh Well, I mean Big Mike is the easy. one because that's kind of a close. personal connection. Personal one. >> Exactly. because, you know, I still have. quite a bit of affinity for him from. when he was the head coach of the. Packers. But I something about Jesse. Mentor to me just kind of screams I. really like this guy. the the bigger. question I really like again I kind of. just asked JJ that like the the Raiders. I guess you know they have the first. overall pick and you have Tom Brady. there and everything but boy who wants.

who wants the Raiders job and who wants. the Cardinals job cuz like even like. Clint Kubak we were talking about him. and the timing of things I think is. going to make it so he's probably not. going to get one of these jobs and I. think I said it out there just kind of. thinking off the top of my head I was. like you know what I could see Clint. Kubiaak sitting this one out waiting. until next here. Bengals [ __ ] can uh I. can't even Zack Taylor and then Clint. Kubak is the Bengals head coach, but. like he was the guy we were hearing. about all year. Like, hey, it's his.

time. It's his time. Look what he's done. with Seattle's offense. >> I I just I don't know who wants the. Cardinals job. >> Phoenix is a great place. Got a. nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler. A. lot of coaching jobs uh these days. seemingly getting turned down by guys. >> Guys very rarely did that in the past. Felt like whenever you got a head. coaching opportunity, you would. certainly take it. It's a bigger. paycheck. It's a chance to run your. thing. You don't know when this is going. to ever happen again. >> With now with no coaching salary cap for. these teams, it feels like assistant. coaches, coordinators can get paid a. pretty good amount of money and then. kind of pick and choose. Ben Johnson.

turned things down a lot. We heard this. year a lot of people turning down head. coaching interviews and staying in the. coordinator world. It's a fascinating. little development as we move forward. about which job's a good job because. we've seen so many jobs be shite jobs. for people in the past. >> Yeah. And it's much more, I guess, reporting around it too. So, we get much. more insights of who who's getting. interviews, who's taking their names out. of the hat, which like you said, you. don't really hear that in the past. And. a lot of coordinators, I think, and. coaches, they're going to stay with like. winners because winners, they will. always be plucked from. So, if you have.

good alignment from the top down, from. the ownership level, from the coaching. level, and then it all revolves around. the quarterback. All these turnarounds. that we're talking about, they are all. connected to young talented. quarterbacks. And then you get the coach. in there. So like I'm looking at this. list like Harbaugh, Jackson Dart, we saw. some glimpses. We saw some some flashes. If he can stay healthy, they have some. other pieces with veteran players who. have played well in this league that. they can go and make and run at. We know. the NFC East is always a tossed up year. in and year out. So these coaches, they.

want to find the right spot from the. top, but also that quarterback. You got. to have a quarterback that you can build. around and go all the way. So Joe Brady. with a, you know, MVP winner, you know, he you're obviously in a great spot. You. already have that relationship there as. And the Steelers, Mike McCarthy, they. don't know what the quarterback. situation is going to be. He was open to. Aaron. I definitely would love Aaron. Rogers, but that's an Omar Khan. situation. Love Will Howard, love Mason. Rudolph, whatever the future is. Salah. with Cam Ward, there's obviously a. chance there. Monkin, I don't think they. know. Uh Halfley down in Miami, I don't. think they know. Stfansky in Atlanta, I. don't think they know. You know, it's a. fascinating.

>> mentor. Mentor, you got Lamar Jackson. >> Great news. And then Vegas, I think you. have Fernando. Yeah, for sure. And I am. a believer in Fernando. Not that I'm an. NFL scout or anything like that, but I. think he's going to be very good in the. NFL. I think he has the traits to be. great in the NFL. I think he loves. football. I think he's obsessed with. film. I think he likes breaking down. plays. I think he's big. I think he's. athletic and he throws darts. So, I I. think he has the NFL qualities and I. think he's built for it. >> for sure. But looking at Fernando, in my. opinion, he is a quarterback and a.

prospect. And this is goes for 95% of. prospects. You got to have the good [ __ ]. around him. You got to have a good. offensive line. You got to have play. He's not like I felt like Cam Newton for. instance. Cam Newton was going to be. successful damn near anyway he went. Andrew Luck like those guys were going. to be successful regardless of where. they went if you just weren't totally. incompetent. But most of the the other. guys you need the other pieces around. We've seen him Sam Darnold Baker. Mayfield. We've seen him with all these. golf Jared G. He was good but then once. he got you know in Detroit even though.

you had McVey once he got in Detroit. different pieces different play action. They they played his scheme with Ben. Johnson. you saw him kind of elevate his. game. I I will put Fernando Mendoza kind. of in that same vein, but he can. definitely be a piece where he can have. your team in contention year in and year. out. >> So, I think that's a a nice piece there. Arizona, you have no idea. Now, 12-year. NFL uh offensive lineman, also king of. the wedge and Super Bowl champion, player coach for the Buccaneers. AQ. Shipley is here. AQ. >> Hey, some of these places have terrible.

offensive lines, too. We talk about the. quarterback not having a chance. A lot. of places that means it has a bad. offensive line. We saw a quick turnover. for offensive lines in multiple. different places. It is possible, right? >> It's very possible. You just have to get. one or two pieces. Sometimes a lot of. these teams have three guys and now all. of a sudden you get them one or two. extra pieces. You get somebody through. the draft. You get a guard through free. agency. You have two bookend tackles. already in the center and all of a. sudden you got a great offensive line. >> Yeah. And I think if you have a good. offensive line, you have a chance. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is. a man who's a college football national. champion, Super Bowl champion, RDER Cup. winner, and the all-time leading tackler.

for the Green Bay Packers, AJ Hawk. >> Hawker. Obviously, we just went through. all the coaching hirings. We'll. certainly have a lot more time to chat. about that. Let's talk about the main. story of the morning. And I'm excited to. get your take on this thing as somebody. who was also in the NFC North with Brian. Erlacer at middle linebacker, all-time. leading tackler for the Green Bay. Packers, but I do believe whenever it. comes Pro Bowls, all those other nods, you certainly were not getting the votes. for your particular division because. Erlacer was also there when you were. playing. So I don't know what your. mindset is towards any popularity vote. type award to begin with but Bellich.

getting kind of slighted here in. everybody's eyes has certainly taken the. entire sports world by storm. Your. thoughts AJ on how this whole process. has turned out. >> Yeah. So you just said getting kind of. slighted. I don't know if anyone even. someone that hates Bill Bich like the. the most would say kind of slighted. It's not kind of slighted. No question, no-brainer. First valid Hall of Famer. Bill Bichc is when you look at the the. body of work this guy has produced. I. mean, come on now. Just check the. graphic out. Yeah. I mean, I I guess JJ.

said it this is the best PR you can get. because this happens and all of a sudden. everybody comes out, even nonpatriots. people, and and they say like this is. nuts. Like what does this even like this. doesn't mean anything anymore when you. do stuff like this? >> Yeah. It kind of questions the. credibility and legitimacy of everything. whenever you have this uh big of a flub. for a process as a whole. Obviously, Bill Bich knows that he's supposed to be. a Hall of Famer. You know, Bill Bich. respects the game. And to your point. about people that aren't just Patriot. people coming out in support of Bill. Bich, one of the goats, a Hall of Famer.

himself, a man who's a two-time Super. Bowl champion, a national champion, coach and player in college, living. legend, TV icon, ladies and gentlemen, Coach Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, coach. >> How you doing, coach? >> How are you, >> man? How are you doing? >> I'm fantastic. Thank you so much for. joining us. So, we put the request in to. talk to you because we thought you were. obviously perfect for the moment as a. Hall of Fame coacher, but also with what. you said last night on your Twitter. account where you said if they're going. to be using Spygate as an excuse for.

this entire thing, they're going to have. to dig into basically everybody's stuff. who is potentially trying this. Could. you elaborate a little bit more on how. common this type of thing is and why did. it make you so upset that they left Bill. Bich off the first Ballot Hall of Fame? >> Well, first of all, you know, I I think. this tarnishes everything in the Hall of. Fame, all of the inductees, everybody in. the Hall of Fame just because of, you. know, 10 or 11 or 12 ignorant, jealous. [ __ ] uh, who did not vote for him.

Um, I think it tarnishes everything. about the Hall of Fame as as far as if. they're using the excuse of the spy. gate. You know, before they had the. electronic communication between the. sideline and and the players, everybody. was trying to steal signals. You know, a. lot of people would not admit to it, but. every team had uh an individual trying. to get the signals or doing one thing or. another. And then one of the scouts for. the Kansas City Chiefs uh talked to us.

They said, "Hey, we we've got the. system." Uh Howard Mud is the best at. doing it. Uh they had a camera and they. would film the opponent's signal caller. and match it up with the film and then. they would get their signals and and we. noticed we watched the Kansas City. huddle. The offensive guard would look. to the sideline and Howard would go. ahead and give them a signal whether or. not it was, you know, man coverage or. zone coverage, etc., etc. Now, Howard.

Mud left Kansas City. He left and. actually went and worked for Bill Poland. and Tony Dunie. Now, I'm not accusing. them of doing it, but there were a lot. of teams doing it back then before they. put the electronic communication from. sideline to the quarterback and the. linebackers. And so, if they're using. that excuse to not put Bill Bichc in the. Hall of Fame, it is absolutely. ridiculous. >> Okay, I appreciate you coming out and. saying that. Well, and by the way, we. tried doing it and we couldn't get a.

whole lot out of it. We weren't real. good at it, so we stopped doing it. >> We're wasting so much space and energy. on these films that we can't. We have no. Does anybody know what this means? No. Okay. >> Well, the thing about it, it happened so. late, you only had, you know, a few. seconds to get the signal in. Like I. say, we really weren't very good at it. and we were spending more time on it. than we needed. So, we said the hell. with it. We stopped doing it. But I. appreciate you coming out and saying. like, "Hey, this is much more common. than we would believe." Because I feel. like I've been an NFL fan my entire life. growing up in Pittsburgh playing for the.

Colts now talk about it every single. day. I don't think until I saw your. tweet really how prevalent it was. And I. knew uh Coach Howard Mud, rest in peace. So I think I appreciate you saying that, being transparent about it, but also. explaining from a point of like, hey, if. that is going to be the reason why you. hold this guy out, we you might need to. look into some other people that are. potentially in here. What is the. precedent you think going forward here, coach? because you said this diminishes. all this with how it is like does this. change going forward? What are your. thoughts on the Hall of Fame as a whole? Because there are is a lot of people. saying the Hall of Fame's like fraud.

now, which is kind of what you were. scared of happening as a Hall of Famer. yourself and us all understanding what. it is. >> Well, I talked to two or three of the. voters today and of course every voter. is going to say I voted for him, you. know, which is [ __ ] You know, [laughter]. a bunch of them bunch of them are lying. Uh, you know, the thing about I guess. the process they had five candidates and. they could vote for three. Uh, and I I. think some of the voters probably say, "Well, it's a slam dunk. You know, Bill. Bichc's going to get in with all of his. accolades, eight Super Bowls, six of the.

head coach, on and on and on." And so, they assumed, you know, that he was. going to get in. So, they voted for one. of the candidates that they liked and uh. and then it it's fell through the cracks. that he didn't get in. Uh but it's a. real it's a crying shame because one. thing I I know Bill personally and uh no. one knows the history of the NFL more. than Bill Bich. No one loves the NFL. more than Bill Bich. Uh and it just.

pissed me off that it wasn't a slam dunk. him going into the Hall of Fame. He'll. go in next year granted. And everybody. says, "Well, oh hey, he's got Tom Brady, you know." Well, very few Hall of Fame. coaches, you know, go in without a great. quarterback. I had Troy Aman, so to use. that. Well, it's, you know, it's Tom. Brady. Hey, Tom Brady needed Bill Bichc. Bill Bichc needed Tom Brady. >> Yeah, I think those are all very valid. points. And for him going in next year, we're not we're just going to act like. it's his first ballot next year. Jimmy,

you think we should all just agree to do. that whenever we talk about it? First. ballot hall of famer here, Bill Bich, as. we move. >> It ought to be. I I saw him at the. national championship game Miami and. Indiana by the way. congratulations Indiana and Miami had a. great year as well and Bill you know I. walked away and I was talking to him and. he said hey I hope to see you in the. hall this year. >> and you know I thought it was going to. be an automatic so I chartered a jet I. was going to go up there to hell with it. I'm not going THIS YEAR. >> JIMMY [laughter]. >> THIS CAN'T BE WHAT THIS BECOMES.

>> gone we can't we need to stop this we. need to correct this okay AJ has we. can't have Jimmy Johnson knocking the. Hall of Fame. You are Jimmy. You are. football, brother. You are just a part. of ball. College player, national. champion at Arkansas. Coach, national. champion. M you. We're doing the entire. thing. Two time for America's team. You. are a part of ball. Okay. So, we need to. make sure that you are not getting. turned off by this entire thing. We got. to make sure we fix this, Jimmy. We got. to fix this thing. We got to make it. right somehow. >> Pat, I love football, you know, and now.

that I've retired from Fox, I've got. four TVs set up. I've got 12 hours on. Saturday, 12 hours on Sunday. No one. comes in the room. I only leave the room. to get a little bit of food. Uh I love. football and and I appreciate, you know, greatness. And that's what you had with. Bill Bich. Greatness. I I'm a coach, you. know, and if some of the players don't. get in, it doesn't bother me that much. if a player doesn't get in. But for a. great football coach not to get in first.

ballot, that was wrong. >> All right. Well, hopefully they make it. up to you. AJ has a question. >> Coach, have have you and any of your. fellow uh Hall of Famers, have you have. you spoken to anybody? You reached out. to anybody at the Hall of Fame and and. tried to I don't know, kind of wrapped. your head around this whole situation. >> I've talked to a few people. Uh in fact, you know, Troy and I texted back and. forth a little bit and and everybody is. just shocked that that Bill didn't go in. first ballot. Uh I haven't talked to an.

a single individual that's even on the. borderline. every one of them saying it. just they're shocked that he didn't go. in. LOOK AT ALL THE ACCOLADES. LOOK AT. WHAT HE DID. You know, that's that's the. really the the reason why someone goes. into the Hall of Fame. Uh and I I I just. don't understand it. >> All those things that you're looking. there uh earned, you know, on the field, the accolade to get into the hall is. something that other people are going to. judge upon. Obviously, there's some. personal biases or lapses in the process.

that they miss it. Hopefully they're. able to get it right because just like. coach Jimmy Johnson, living legend is. saying, there's a lot of people saying, "Well, the hell with the Hall of Fame as. a whole if Bill Bich is not considered a. Hall of Famer." And we can't have that. We got to preserve these things. Pro. Bowl has to remain. The Hall of FAME IS. WE NEED SOMETHING, JIMMY. YOU KNOW, WE. LOST THIS Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl's gone. forever, Jimmy. >> Pat, I I know that, you know, Bill at. times, you know, he he wasn't the most. friendly guy to some of the media. And. so maybe some of them voted against him, you know, because they didn't do get an.

interview of him. I don't know. Um, you. know, maybe there's a little tension. between Bob Crab and and Bill, you know, and maybe there was some lobbying there. I don't know the reason for it. I don't. need to know the reason for it. Uh, but. it it it should not have happened. >> Yeah. Pro Football Hall of Fame feels. like it. Coach, can we pivot to a couple. other football questions now that we. have one of the greatest minds in the. history of ball on. >> what you got there? Yeah, you got it. Deep has a question for you about Ball. Boss. >> Hell yeah, coach. Thank you first of all.

for your service growing up in South. Florida as a Miami Dolphin fan, Miami. Hurricanes fan. Thank you. Uh we got a. new hiring cycle now. Eight new coaches. hired, four firsttime head coaches, four. coaches now that have already been on. the job. What are you doing day one uh. on the job? Whether it's press. conference, reaching out to teams, putting your staff together, what are. you doing day one? And then kind of a. second part, how the hell do you win in. Miami as a head coach in this. environment? >> Well, I I think Miami's got their work. cut out for them because of the salary.

cap and their quarterback situation. Uh. I I I think for every new coach, well, first of all, you know, it's ridiculous. that we've got 10 openings. There's not. that you there's not 10 bad coaches in. the league. uh you know, but anyway, for a new coach. going in, the number one thing he's got. to get his players all on the same page. is set the stage. Here's what you can. expect from me. This is what I expect. from you. Uh I think a lot of these. owners are saying, "Hey, I've got to. get, you know, change the head coach.

because our fans are upset and I can't. lose our fans." Uh that has a lot to do. with it. But the other thing is is. hiring the right staff. You know, I I. was fortunate uh every place I ever was. a University of Miami or whether or not. it be Dallas Cowboys or Miami Dolphins, I had some outstanding assistant coaches. and that's the reason I went in the Hall. of Fame. I had great players and I great. had great assistant coaches. Uh but, you. know, they've got to put together the. right staff and that's very difficult to. do nowadays because coaches are under.

contract. You can't talk to certain. ones. Uh, but putting together that. staff and getting your players on the. right page, that's the first order of. business. >> Good luck to all these parties who have. to win within the next 12 months or. their asses are going to be on the hot. seat immediately. Yeah. Jacksonville. Jaguars made the made the playoffs. Chicago Bears won on a run. Mike Vrabel. first year, they had four wins last. year. You're expected to do the exact. same whether the situation is similar or. not. It's a crazy time in the NFL, but. it's a good time in the NFL. We talked.

about, you know, you being a legend in. football. A lot of us remember you from. your time with the Dallas Cowboys. Obviously Miami, you looked cool. >> Great tan. The hair was remarkable. You. know, it looked great. But with the. Cowboys where you did so much damage and. left so much history, you know, obviously you still keep up with. everything going on over there. Connor. has a question for you. >> Yeah, coach, how do you feel about the. state of the Cowboys? It feels like. Shotty got in there in his first year. and, you know, had success, but injuries. hurt him a little bit and they got off. to that slow start. But where do you see. the Cowboys going? What do you think of,

you know, Dax CD? hopefully George. Pickkins again. And uh also just wanted. to say miss you miss that hair on TV, coach. It is [laughter] remarkable to. see it. >> It was such quick notice I didn't do my. hair today. >> No, you did. Yeah, YOU WOKE UP LIKE. THIS. That's kind of what we're talking. about. It's unbelievable. [laughter]. >> But as far as the Cowboys, you know, you. know, Brian Shottenheimer did an. outstanding job in a difficult situation. last year. They were just horrible on. defense. And yeah, I I think if they can.

make some corrections on defense, in. fact, I talked to Jerry Jones not too. awful long ago after the season. Yeah, I. said you can make some corrections on. that defense. And you know, it may not. be that you're going to be dominant, but. if you're just good, just so so you're. going to be so good on offense if you. can keep Pickkins, uh if you can keep. him and and get the running back. situation going, you can have an. outstanding team. You can make a run at. it because you're that good offensively. Uh, but they've got to make the. corrections on defense.

>> How do you feel about the Micah trade? I. I don't think we've gotten a chance to. chat with you now. We've seen how it all. works out. What are your thoughts? >> I didn't like it. Uh, I didn't like it. at all, but uh, you know, of course him. getting injured, you know, maybe it was. the right thing to do, but you know, because he's a little bit unsiz and he's. had a couple of injuries. Uh, I just I. just don't think you get rid of uh. gamechanging players. Somehow someway. you find a way to keep them. Uh and he. was a gamecher. Uh he he really could.

dominate the game just him individually. But but without Micah, you know, they. picked up, you know, some draft picks. They got a lot of salary cap money. You. know, they're going to be able to add. some players. So Jerry Jerry made the. right move, you know, for what it was. because they were at an impass as far as. Mike Parson's. Uh like I said, if. they'll make some improvement. defensively, the Cowboys can make a run. at it. Obviously, your relationship with. Jerry is very publicly documented. I. think you know in the Hall of Fame there. was a moment there and there's been.

more. What is it? >> How is it today? I don't know. >> That's what I was about [laughter] to. ask. >> That's what I was about to ask. Like how. is Do you keep up with Jerry? Do you. talk to Dallas or you are you just. locked in your room with four TVs and. only asking [laughter] for food? How is. that? >> No. Uh Jerry and I talk on occasion and. and we're fine. We're good. Uh every. time I talk to him, he says, "Man, I. need to talk to you more." [laughter]. Hey, I'll hear that. >> My number. >> Yeah. Well, he's got an act. He's in. land, man. You know, he's got a I think. there was a natural gas.

>> Yeah. >> He's searching for it down there. >> Honeyole thought he found. >> Yeah, he's got that comtock. Uh I've got. a little bit of uh I've got some stock. in that myself. Comtock. [laughter]. >> We would like to hope he does well. >> We would like to let you know that the. Johnson family does hope that Jerry does. find said honey hole that he said that. he has. weather by everybody that. natural gas price is going to go up. [laughter]. >> That's uh it's good information to have. actually. Let's go ahead and write that. down. Let's dump that so nobody else.

hears it. Let's take advantage. Uh let's. talk about the Super Bowl before we let. you go here. Coach Patriots Seahawks. obviously Vel comes in turns that. culture so quickly. McDonald just some. defensive mastermind with Seattle. Your. thoughts on these two teams and how do. you think the game goes? >> Well, you know, I think just like. everybody, the edge is going to go, you. know, to Seattle with McDonald. He did a. great job defensively and I love the way. Sam Darnold played. But I mean, it's so. good to see Sam Darnell, you know, with. all of his travels and being cast off.

three or four different places to play. as well as what he played. Uh and and so. yeah, I'm going to give the edge to. Seattle, but you look at the two. coaches. McDonald just did a great job. coaching their Seattle. And Mike Brabel, hey, Brabel did a good job at Tennessee, you know, and people may want to. criticize him there, but if he had had. the quarterback situation in good shape, uh, then he could have done even better. at Tennessee. But he's an outstanding. football coach. Uh, some people were. going to knock him a little bit for the. schedule this year. But hey, they're a.

good football team. They're well. coached. Uh, and they'll have a shot at. it. >> Jimmy, thank you so much for taking time. with us. You're awesome. You're an. inspiration right now, honestly. >> All right, [laughter] Pat. All right. >> I hope my hair turns that Bob Barker. white. >> Yeah. >> You know, that Jimmy Johnson white. That. radiant white. And if you get a good. tan, you know, with our cockasoid skin, that thing pops out like that. We. appreciate you, coach. You're the man. >> Okay. Talk to y'all later. >> Coach Jimmy Johnson. >> Yeah, coach.

>> 82 years old. >> The goat. >> Not getting that jet. Not taking the jet. up. >> I booked a jet to get out of this. island. I live on an island. It is. great. This is what you work for. By the. way, I scheduled a jet to go up there to. celebrate. Bill Bich, greatest coach of. all time. We're going to do this for the. coach community. Cancel that. I'm not. going. I don't like that this has. already happened. >> I DIDN'T EXPECT JIMMY JOHNSON TO BE LIKE. I SAW PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET being like, "The whole thing is not worth a damn. thing." Okay, that's what I see people. on the internet saying cuz they're like.

attacking obviously because how stupid. this whole thing is. Now we got Jimmy. Johnson there being I'm not [ __ ]. going. You think I'm going back to. Canton, Ohio? Nope. Not doing that. >> Come on. How am I even supposed to put. my jacket on? Am I supposed to even PUT. IT ON? DO I EVEN SHOULD I EVEN wear one? If Bill Bich Tom Brady said something. similar. Tom Brady said, "Okay, so no. coach is allowed to be in the Hall of. Fame." Then if Bill Bich's not allowed. in the Hall of Fame, the first time he's. available to go in the Hall of Fame. What does this even mean? I don't think. I fully understand. It has been the same. exact point of view from everybody in. bowl. That's awesome. Hey, that's.

awesome. Actually, >> great. Yeah, that's very rare. Very. rare. >> I think that's a good thing. You know. there's always like uh there's. situations where very bad things bring. people together for the first time long. time like funerals I think about this. friend passes away a celebration of life. takes place I see people for the first. time in like 10 15 20 years there's. positive that comes from the very. negative from something that you didn't. wish would happen the positive from this. entire situation is ball has come. together has come together. >> and it does feel like there is 50 names. okay that represent an entire thing that.

kind of everybody has turned against me. like who the hell do you think you are. actually and that's very rare. I think. that is a very rare thing to happen. Now. Ty, I you might be disagreeing what. you're saying. >> I agree. It's just unfortunately like 5. years from now when we talk about this. and like all this stuff kind of floats. away like it's still going to be Bill. Bich wasn't a first ballot hall of. famer, you know, and it's like it'd be. nice if either the hall of fame or like. the commissioner could come in and just.

retroactively be like, you know what, no, like he is. But you also can't open. that Pandora's box because then where. where does it stop? You know, the next. time someone who we all believe should. be a first ballot hall of famer doesn't. get in, does the same thing happen? Like. that is what should happen today. Someone should come out and be like, "Hey, I understand that we do this, but. like this should have been a slam dunk.". >> David Baker should come out. >> Exactly. >> You should knock on his door. >> He should. >> And say, "Hey, I'm taking this one for. me.". >> Yeah. >> For ball. He's going to look down at.

Bill. >> Mhm. Congratulations. He's going to do. the entire thing. That's what we need in. this moment. >> because like you're right, everyone is. coming together, but like eventually. like once the media cycle passes and we. get past this in a couple years from. now, like that that won't be the. conversation anymore. >> Joining us now is a man who's going to. be in every Hall of Fame that he is up. for. We think. >> anymore. I mean, honestly, who knows? Guy is going to be calling the Super. Bowl, obviously, and then he's going. right into the Olympics. And then, oh.

yeah, every human on earth is going to. hear him and see him. And how's he going. to handle it? Perfectly. Smoothest guy. on television. I have no idea how he's. capable of calling every single thing. that he does. He could host a talk show. while calling speed walking, then a. prime time football game, give you the. most energy and juice, and then wake up. in the morning and break down an entire. political affair if he had to. One of. the greatest on the mic ever. Ladies and. gentlemen, Mike Trico. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Morning, boys. How we doing? How good. was Jimmy, >> dude? 82. >> Oh my god, >> he's 82 years old.

>> I'm like, blow past me. Keep going with. Jimmy. I don't care what I have to say. This is too good. >> Well, that's interesting that you say. that because in my mind, I was thinking. we got Jimmy Johnson and Mike Taro in. the same hour somehow. We are so so. thankful. You need to know that's how we. view you, brother. That intro that I. just gave you. I tried to hit you with. like a bevy, a bang, bang, boom, boom, boom, cuz it's. >> you are incredibly smooth at what you. do. What what do you think is like your. main focus or the reason why you're able. to kind of be in any situation? Can I. give you what I think it is?

>> Please come on. >> I think you listen. I think you're. actually listening. So, whenever you and. Chris Collinssworth do the open where. you talk about a team, he's giving an. answer and you are always appearing to. actually listen so that you can pivot. off of what he says to go into something. else. Whenever you host the Olympics, I. think there's probably people that know. more about the individual sports than. you do. you listen to what they're. saying. Are you always listening? Do you. think that's your secret weapon? And why. are you so confident being able to do. that as opposed to force [ __ ] that you. want to get out? >> I'm uh I'm I'm kind of glad that you.

said that. Thanks. Cuz I do I do like to. listen. I I don't know. I don't know. stuff. I just kind of gather it and. share it. And I love to hear what people. think. And for me, listening is the. number one tool in this business, even. though we make a living talking. So, I I. love that you picked that up. Uh, I do. love to listen to people who are smarter. than me. Uh, that's why I love listening. to you guys. Can Can I just bring up. something by the way? >> No. No. >> You You know, I can't you you you know, I'm going to do it anyway. You know, I'm. a part of uh one of the great moments of.

McAfee on the field, right? >> No. Which one? >> Tackle. >> The golf swing. >> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. >> The golf swing in Charlotte, I believe. Panthers game. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was rain. I. >> I blew you up for about 20 seconds and. you delivered with an inside the five. punt and the golf swing. That That was. me. That's That's my first McAfee. That's my second. My first one was your. first backyard brawl. >> Oh, first one freshman year. It was -10. or something like that.

>> That's exactly right. And Morgan, do can. you name the announcers for your first. backyard brawl? You. >> all people you know? Me, Herby, Aaron. Andrews. >> Yes. Because you guys were spending. Thursdays with us. There was uh there. was a little bit of a run on Thursday. night on ESPN where we were kind of like. the Thursday night special, I think. Yeah, we had the legendary crew back. then. I forgot you were the playby-play. guy though. That's kind of Hey, that's. on me. That's how good you were. That's. how good you. >> It's all right. I just Every time I see. the golf swing in the little TE's, the. little open little thing that runs, I'm.

like, that was us. That was us on a. Monday night. I remember that. And you. were you delivered because I think I. said something about how good you were. pinning people, not just inside the 20, but inside the 10. And then you did it. on Q and then you gave us the SY and. Yeah. So that that's why I've always had. McAfee like real close to the heart the. whole way. >> Well, I want to let you know me too. Yeah. Put me over. I I appreciate you. doing that. It's very very kind of you. That is abnormal as you've come to. realize with people in your position how. I am. But let's talk about why I think. you are also great. Not only listening. thing, you talked about putting me over.

for inside to 10. You seemingly are. always prepared, you know, and you. pulled me aside. You were the only. playby-play guy that pulled me aside out. of the networks and be like, "Hey, see. you're doing directional punting here. What are you trying to do? What is the. aim? What is the target? Feels like. you're always prepared. Do you do that. with everything? Do you feel like you're. naturally more inclined to do that? Do. you feel comfortable doing that? And how. much is that kind of different, you. think, than what other people do? >> I I think everybody does it. I I think. our business has gotten a lot better in. the 25, 30 years I've been doing it. Just like kicking has gotten to become a. science, just like doing shows like this.

have changed and evolved. I I I think we. all do it in our own different ways. I've got a curiosity for special teams. So, I want to learn more. And. fortunately, you find out real quick. that special teams coordinators and. kickers and long snappers, they're like. offensive lineman and defensive lineman. They may give you the best stuff of. anybody. Like, cuz nobody comes, everybody comes talk to the quarterback, right? Everybody comes talk to the star. receiver. Everyone comes talk to the. sack guy, but when you talk to the meat.

and potatoes people, they tell you. everything. and I've always found that. to be the most interesting and enjoyable. conversation. So, I didn't know much. about kicking or special teams. So, I. started to take an interest in it and. talk to guys like you and coordinators. around the league. I I love doing that. and that's fun for me. So, I do love to. I love to dig and find stuff, but this. job isn't that hard. We all kind of do. the same thing in different ways. Um, and I love the fact that our business, our part of the business has never been. better. more good people doing great.

work on a regular basis and it's just a. nice time to be doing this. >> Yeah, but there are separators, brother, and you're certainly one of the one that. separates your nice. >> Well, it's an enjoyable viewing. experience. How much are you thinking. about that while you're calling it and. how much are you trying to read like the. moment? Because obviously we saw a. gamewinner. Uh I forget which one was. most recent. Maybe Chicago Caleb. >> Yeah. uh Cale that Caleb call with that. play, you lose your mind and it's like. everybody else is also losing their. mind, but you also don't go over the top. and sound like uh caricatury. It feels.

like you have a great sense of feel. How. much are you thinking about that for. people at home or is that your natural. reactions that are taking place? >> I I appreciate you saying that. Uh that. means a lot. It's it's still fun for me. I'm still a fan. Like I still like to go. to games. We live in Michigan. I go to. some Detroit Tigers games. I don't cover. baseball. I love going in a ball cap and. having a beer and still being a fan. And. when I'm in the booth, I'm playby-play. guy, journalist, but we're still there. as fans. And that's what I love about. being with Chris. Like we you I love. hearing a great play after a great play.

Collinssworth laugh. Stop it. Right. I. we both love the game, right? And I'm. I'm still into the game. Now, I'm not a. fan of a team. I'm a fan of the game. And I love when when people make big. plays. And I think Pat, like our. business has changed a little bit. People now want you to be in there with. him and excited and be in the moment. Uh. so like I'm right there with you. I when. Caleb Williams makes that play, it's. like there's no way he can throw the.

ball that far back pedal and he does. What are you going to say? Touchdown. Oh, that's like amazing. Right. So if if. in any way it's being genuine, I just. I've stopped thinking about how is it. going to sound and just try to do it and. just try to react the way I would when. I'm sitting at home watching the game on. TV. So if that comes across, look, we. you got a thousand things your thumb to. go watch, right? You can go watch some. show on Netflix. You can watch something. on Peacock. You can watch something on. Hulu. We have to be and you guys are the.

kings of this. We got a little fun and. be entertaining along the way. So, if. you feel like you're alone for the ride. with us, then then we're doing the right. job. >> I think you do an incredible job at all. of that. You're hitting the mark on what. you're trying to do. Last question for. me before the boys all have some. You're. you're a legend in our eyes, Mike. You. need to know that you you are beloved. amongst the Thunderdome. Uh like. actually, so when you make your move to. go over to NBC and they talk about how, oh, he's going to be doing more things, the Olympics, he's going to be doing. golf. I think hockey was potentially on. the horizon of conversation, but you. were certainly not doing football.

anymore. We all knew that as NFL fans. as football fans. So, we were bummed out. about it. You took the decision to work. on everything else, I guess, and then. we'll get football whenever Sunday Night. Football opens up, which is the biggest. show in town. Like, how was that time. whenever you were waiting to get back? And we are thankful that you are back in. B. >> Well, I'm I'm thankful to be a part of. it, too. I I'll give you the straight. the straight answer here. It was 25. years of ESPN, 10 years of Monday night, and I loved it. And I didn't want to. leave a big chair in the NFL doing.

Monday night, but NBC had a lot of. things that were items and events that I. hadn't done before. And part of the deal. was I was at that time NBC was doing. Thursdays and Sundays. So Al and Chris. were doing like 31 32 games a year, Thursday night and then Sunday night. So. part of the deal was I was supposed to. do Thursday night for a bunch of. different reasons that I don't exactly. know the real answer yet, but it didn't. happen. So I ended up doing some. Thursdays and Sundays. So Al didn't do. all 31. Al did 24 at five and I did.

maybe a half dozen. But I got to do. Notre Dame football in that stretch. And. that was one of the great experiences I. have ever had. Like going to Southbend. on those home Saturdays was awesome. Like you guys know what Morgantown's. like. AJ, you know what the shoe is. like. you you know what special place. is. I I live in Ann Arbor. I know what. Michigan Stadium's like. Like to go to. Southbend and ESPN wasn't doing games. there because it was just the NBC. contract. To have five or six years of. doing games in the Cathedral of College. Football, Notre Dame Stadium was.

awesome. And then along the way, we did. the NFL studio show, got to work on the. Olympics. Bob Costa stepped away from. the prime time hosting of the Olympics. earlier than I thought was ever going to. happen. Pat, I'll never forget I'm on. the road in Foxboro, that one lane, Route One, driving into the stadium. there, and I got a call from our boss, Mark Lazarus, and he said, "Hey, Bob's. uh Bob's going to step away from doing. the prime time Olympics. We'd like you. to do it." And I'm like, "I'm driving on. Route One here in Foxboro, and I just. got the Olympic job. Like, what the. hell's going on here?" Uh that's so that.

happened before I ever thought it would. happen. And uh that's become like a huge. part of my life. Like the stuff behind. me over there is uh all pictures from. the Summer Olympics places that we've. been. We got a a Paris and a Tokyo and a. Rio over here. >> Paris. >> There you can sing it for me now. >> Those are those are life-changing. experiences. And we got another one. coming up here right after the Super. Bowl in Italy. So, I love I love the. time I spent at ESPN. People like Herby,

like Fowler, like Reese Davis. Those are. people who are some of my favorite. Shawn Mcdana, those are still some of my. favorite people and still friends and I. cherish all that time. But this 10 years. at NBC has been off the charts and you. know like a month like this with the NBA. and the Super Bowl and the Olympics like. you you nobody's ever had a month like. this. So I'm just blessed to be a part. of it. >> Hey you're getting a chance to showcase. that range brother. You're all over the. place and obviously we miss you NFL. We're thankful that you're back. You. never talk down to anybody. Doesn't feel.

like you're talking down to the people. that are watching. It's a It's an elite. ability to be able to talk about. anything and have everybody follow. along. AJ has a question for you, Mike. >> Yeah, Mike, I know you have a huge uh. Super Bowl Sunday coming up on the. horizon. Can you explain a little bit. what your day is going to look like? Obviously, before, during, and then. after the game. I know you have have. plenty of work that day. I'm going to be. on TV a little bit. Well, one of the. cool parts, AJ, that I can't wait for, it sounds crazy, is I'm going to wake up. in the middle of the night and watch see. if Lindsey Vaughn can win the downhill.

because the women's downhill is like I. think it's 4:30 in the morning, West. Coast time, but I'm waking up because if. that happens, that might be the greatest. thing that's ever happened in the. Olympics. And it sounds stupid to say. that until you start thinking about it's. 16 years after she started competing. She's 41. She has a titanium knee. Four. years ago, she was on the set with me at. the Super Bowl at Sofi talking about the. Olympics and then she was working as a. commentator for us on on the Beijing. games. And now she's back and she's.

winning and if she comes back and does. this with a titanium knee, it's one of. the greatest things we've ever seen at. the Olympics. So, I'm going to wake up. in the middle of the night, watch that. uh get to the stadium, obviously, do the. game, hang with Chris the whole. afternoon, soak up every second of uh my. first Super Bowl to call, and then uh. soon as the game's done, go right down. to the field and be a part of the. Olympic prime time show. We're going to. host the Olympic prime time show from. the stadium. So, as the confetti is on. the f on the field and people are. reuniting with families, all that, we're.

going to do our prime time show, which. is the best of what happened that day at. the Olympics. and maybe it's Lindsey. Vaughn winning gold, maybe it's. something else from figure skating, but. going to do that right afterwards and. then when we're done with that, hop on. the plane to Italy and be there for the. last 13 days of the game. So, uh, it's. going to be a cool a cool super Sunday. I I keep thinking about it and the. closer it gets, it still doesn't feel. real. It's going to be a blast. >> Yeah, it sounds like a great 24 hours. there of sport, you know, for the good. of sport, for the love of sport, which. we all have. You obviously clearly have.

as well. Is Nathan Chen still skating or. do we know if he's out there? >> That's nice pull by you. He's not. >> He's not. >> What? >> He's the gold he's the reigning gold. best. However, I got something even. better. >> Okay. >> Iliam Malinin. Do you know Iliam. Malinin's name, Pat? >> No, I do not. But I'll never forget it. It sounds like. >> Dude, he's known as the quad god. He. does. Now, it's not just his quads, okay? It's not like a Saquon Barkley. quad situation. >> Hamstrings, >> it's the rotations. He does the quad in.

figure skating as many times as anyone. has ever done it in his program. So he. program, sorry. So he could he could. fall. He's so good he could fall and. still win. That's how difficult his. program is. He's amazing. >> Okay. So his name is Elliam. What? >> Ilia Malinin. He grew up in Virginia. He. team USA. He's one of ours. You got to. watch. You got to watch him. The quad. god quadfather out here. Yeah. Yeah. He. so he it was like um uh.

Simone's was so. >> her her thing was so difficult, right? I'm trying to I'm trying to remember. Her her stuff was so difficult. So like. her points, even if she didn't hit. anywhere near a perfect one, would still. outscore everybody else. You're saying. this about Mr. >> Iliam. Ilia. Ilia Maladin. Oh, there he is. There's There's MY GUY. WATCH HIM. >> OH [ __ ]. >> ILIA. >> GO. He's doing back flip. Unbelievable. feral. >> He does kind of look like Blades of. Glory here. Ilia.

>> Ilia Malinin Ilia. >> Malin Shman. >> he's great dude. Great dude. I've been. around him world championships in Boston. last year event in DC. Met him a bunch. of times. Such a great great young man. Uh America will love this guy. He's got. he's the favorite to win gold in figure. skating. >> OKAY. SO HE'S YES. I LOVE THIS MAN. >> YES. THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME SEEING his. face. Ilia, let's go dog. Let's go. We. need you on that ice. We need gold. coming home. On that note,

>> 127.7 million, I believe, is what last. year's Super Bowl was. Uh I assume. everything's up and to the right. Uh. don't get nervous out there, [laughter]. don't get nervous out there. First Super. Bowl. Don't get nervous. What is the. thought of something that vast and what. are the Olympic numbers? Because I know. we all watch, everybody does, but what. are like kind of the numbers you're. about to head into here? Yeah, the. numbers are in the 20s on a regular. basis for prime time Olympics. But like. it's Are you going to do a different. show if you know the audience is 50 80.

times? No. You're you're a guy who knows. if I'm just myself, then that's what I. need to do. I'm not going to sit there. and go, "Oh my god, Chris, 120 million. people are watching. Don't screw up." I. just just kind of talk to people. There's the the only person I I'm. thinking of on the other side of the. camera is my mom. My mom's sitting home. She watches every game. She's sitting on. her couch watching the Super Bowl. That's I talk to one person. I always. tell young people along the way. So, I. got to take my own advice, I guess, at. some point. Like, if you're anxious or.

there's more adrenaline flowing, which. there will be, you know, until you get. that first hit, until you call that. first play, you're going to be thinking. it in your head, unless you just kind of. just chill and just say, I'm talking to. one person. So, I I mean, look, the. audience numbers are great. We we were. doing 52 million at the end of the Bears. game, Bears Rams game. It didn't affect. one for one second what either one of us. said. I think maybe you're just more. prepared, more careful, but I I I don't. worry about the numbers. I hope we break.

a record. I hope next year that uh Joe. and Troy and the ABC ESPN show breaks a. record. This the more people in the. football tent, the better off we all. are, man. And uh I think football nation. has proven that this year for sure. >> Good for ball. You're great for ball, but you're great great for sport as a. whole. Ty has a question for you about. that. >> Yeah, Mike, you just mentioned how no. one's really had a month like this. Like, do you do you even get time to. really like catch your breath? You go. from the NFL season to the Super Bowl to. the Olympics. We know you're doing stuff.

with the NBA now. I know you said you. don't do baseball, but I believe NBC. just got like a Sunday night baseball. package. So, guess what? Yeah, maybe. keep your keep your summer open. Uh like. and Pat talked about your preparation. like so I I don't think you can really. kind of just turn your brain off during. the week. Like do you get a chance to. kind of just sit back and relax or is it. kind of always preparing for the next. thing because it seems like you work. non-stop. >> This was my half hour and you guys. screwed it up. [laughter].

>> Hell yeah. >> So thanks. I appreciate that. >> Hell yeah. We're not going to be a part. of your rest. IF YOU WANT US ALL JUST to. chill, we'll take a nap with you. Yeah. Sleep with. Okay. That's what we'll do. >> That' be great. Come have come have a. salad with me. Uh no. Yeah. You know, Ty, um th this week, honestly, this week. I've hunkered down at home and I'm just. just doing prep stuff for the for all. three events cuz we've got the Lakers. and the Knicks on Sunday. We start our. Sunday Night Basketball. So, like Sunday. Night Football's over now. It's going to. be Sunday Night Basketball until the. playoffs end for us in late May. And.

then it's going to be Sunday Night. Baseball on NBC. So, like every Sunday. night, we got some big game on on the. network. So being a part of that is is. really cool and fun. So I prepared for. Lakers Knicks. Then doing some time on. like today is the Seahawks offense for. me. I did the Seahawks defense. yesterday. I'll do Pat's defense and. Pat's offense the next two days. Uh and. just try to plan it out and all that. stuff and Olympic stuff along the way. So it's not Look, we talk about sports. on TV. Like we're not. >> Yeah, but you can't sound like an.

[ __ ] DUDE. 128 MILLION PEOPLE. watching and in the Olympics you're. representing sports that feel like they. don't get the proper coverage year. round. So if you were to uh for instance. I on game day, you know, >> get dropped into this cult society which. is college ball. You say somebody's name. wrong, it's like why is this [ __ ]. allowed to have a microphone when we got. literally a 100,000 people in this. building right here that know how to. pronounce this guy's name? It's like you. you can disrespect people just by not. having information. So, like the amount.

you have to prepare, especially for. these figure skating, skiing, outpine. skiing, all these things, you have to. know a lot of [ __ ] because if not, you'll be like, "Get this guy off of our. TV. He's not worthy of the microphone.". Don't you agree with that, though? >> I I I do agree with that, but I think. you kind of know what you need to know, right? I mean, AJ probably spent hours. and hours and hours studying opponents, but there's a point where you're going. to get diminishing returns and you're. going to stop yourself from doing what. you do best. So over the years, you.

learn what you need to take into the. booth, what you need to take onto the. set. We've got like the greatest team of. researchers. You know what the. researchers are like at ESPN with Game. Day, Pat, we've got an awesome research. team for Olympics and Super Bowl and. they provide you stuff and then you. figure out how do I fill in and fit in. along the way. U and and you just be. smart about it. Like you said, you you. nailed it before. I can't go on the air. and tell you that I know exactly what. you need to do in the bobsled or the. luge or the skeleton, but we have people.

who do know. So, you read about it, you. ask them a question or two as a curious. person, and you just try to bring it. home to TV. Like I said, like we're. we're. >> put your ass in there. You ever do any. of these things? They ever throw you in. that bubble? >> No, I've curled. Have you Have you done. curling before? >> Uh, I've seen it obviously. I loved one. curling. Mattie Hamilton took down. >> AJ, did you ever did you ever go in. Green Bay? Cuz that Green Bay curling. club was right across from where you. guys practice. >> Yeah, there there is a Green Bay curling. club. A known player on the squad.

actually got drunk and got a concussion. curling at one point in that club. So I. I. [laughter]. >> YEAH, >> it's it's it's [laughter] Pat, you. should you should you should take the. whole Thunderdome to a curling there's. got to be a curling club in Indie. Oh, I. think there is one up here cuz whenever. curling Matty Hamilton and the boys were. doing it, we certainly got all in and we. have a Canadian here in Gumpy. So, whenever we beat them in curling, we. really wanted to kind of hammer home.

that the hammer is really ours. Yeah. So, we I love curling. I've never How. were you? Were you good at it? Were you. a good one of these? >> I was good at that. I was I was a very. good sweeper. I was very very good at. that. No, it it was fun. I actually We. got the hang of it. our Monday night. group when we would do a game in Green. Bay, uh our producer at the time, Jay. Rothman, we would uh rent out the Green. Bay Curling Club and we do Bratz and. beers and curling and it was pretty damn. good. It was fun. Gruden Gruden was with. us at that point. That was the alltime. great. Gruden curling. It was classic.

>> Okay, quick gruden cuz there is another. question or two that need to come so we. don't need full answer here. Gruden not. being back in ball is crazy. I thought. he was going to get hired. I thought. college or NFL somebody was going to. hire him. I personally thought that. Did. you feel the same way? I I'd love to see. John back in coaching. I know that's. what he loves to do. Um I especially I. think John with the right college team. would be something crazy, right? Um NFL. knowledge and we're seeing more NFL. stuff and it's become like the NFL cuz. your team is changing every year and you. know a lot of football now is NIL.

recruiting, you know, getting a getting. a group of people behind you. Like. there's no person you want to kind of be. in that arena of a winning football team. with who's any better at connecting a. group than John. So I'd love to see it. I hope it still happens. Uh man, he was. so good. I got a PhD in football those. years with John. Um he taught us so. much. He made our group so much better. And um he still remains a friend. I get, you know, texts from him all the time. It was uh nothing nothing like u like. time around John for sure.

>> You guys are a great booth. Great booth. Now, speaking of booth, uh, we thought. maybe somebody was going to be in the. booth this year with you guys. Debut has. a question for you. >> Absolutely, Mike. Before I even get to. that, you mentioned Columbus, Morgantown. We got AQ Shipley here, too. Happy Valley. Obviously, you don't. remember those nights in the rent. Special environment out there in East. >> 20, 30 people watching. >> Hey, relax. Have some respect. >> Go Huskies, man. Right off I 84. Let's. go to the rent. Come on. >> I love hearing that, especially from a. former Syracuse alumni. But pivoting to.

to back to the NBA and Michael Jordan. obviously that was a huge part of the. announcement and I grew up I mean I was. born in the 80s big brother forced me to. sit down and watch basketball at that. time. So I remember MJ and we're going. to hang on to every word that Michael. Jordan says. How did that all come. together? What's been your favorite part. of it? And have you seen the reaction of. it kind of being that one long interview. being chopped up? What's uh kind of that. whole that whole that's a big question. but what you got for me Mike? No, no, no. problem. A lot of people thought it was.

going to be something that we never said. it was going to be, which is fine. because that's the way things happen. >> That was us. That was us. Yeah, that was. us. That was 100% on We were part of. that group, too. Yes, we're saying. >> I was trying to be I was trying to be. passive aggressive there. Fine. [laughter]. >> We heard it. Yeah, we heard it. We owned. it. We owned it. Counter. >> Listen, listen. Listen. So, so of course. Michael anytime he talks about. basketball is going to make people stop. and listen. Michael's above the. day-to-day. Hey, Sham said Giannis is. going to be on the trade block. That's.

not Michael Jordan, right? Come on. So, Michael was interested in doing this uh. because of his connection and legacy. with NBC. If Michael's going to do. anything, it's going to be different and. special. Michael's not going to throw. himself into the ring to be one of the. seven or eight guys making comments. That's not who MJ was, is or probably. will be. So, the chance to go down and. get Michael really wanted to talk about. where the game is and where it's going. and he had some feelings about that he. has not expressed publicly. Uh, and as I.

said, look, of course we do that, right? And the thing is, every time we do roll. out a new piece of it, people are like, "Oh, Michael said this. This is. interesting." And talked about it. >> clip. >> So, it it it it make it makes sense. So, um, was it great? It was awesome to hang. out for a couple days and talk. basketball and life and all the stuff. with Michael off the off the charts. Good. But I think what I got out of it. personally, other than being able to. hang with Michael, you showed the clip. I got great Jordans out of it.

>> Did you see my shoes? >> Are you on team Jordan now? What a move. by you. >> I'm not on team Jordan. Look, look at my. shoes there for a second. But my kids. will tell you that is not dad at all. And it's it's great. So now I do bring. them to almost every NBA game I do. I. wear my Jordans and kind of walk around. >> You need TO GET MULTIPLE PAIRS TO GO. YOU'VE BEEN RICH FOR A long time now. Get some new shoes. But also, you should. have been pitching Team Jordan when you. were there. Actually, that that should. have been You would potentially be a. perfect Team Jordan. >> member actually as the only people that. would make it there. Did you guys golf.

whenever you were down there for a. couple days or was it all hanging? >> We did not. The golf course was closed. The golf course was closed. Uh they've. changed and adjusted some stuff for the. golf course so we didn't. But I hope I. hope to get an invite back at some point. and go back down. Uh, I I will tell you. honestly, hanging with Michael is just. so cool and so normal and just talking. about his NASCAR team, talking about the. NBA, talking about those Bulls days, talking about TV stuff. It's just there. are very few people who you're around. and you go, this is really cool. And.

that's still the way it is when you're. around Michael. He's pretty special. dude. >> That's how we felt with you last 25. minutes. >> So, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. The goat. >> Thank you, bud. on a microphone. potentially when it's all said and done. Hey, Bill Bichc didn't get voted in. Do. you have a vote? Are you gonna stick up. for your Syracuse grads that did the. voting? >> I don't think any Syracuse grads are on. I got to check I got to check the list. Yeah, that's that's wrong. Like. everybody said on the show today. How do. you How do you not have a Bill Bich as a. first ballot hall of famer? If you want.

to go to Spygate, that's fine. There's. such a body of work above that. And like. Jimmy said, I thought when now Pat that. they have people on there who have. played or have been a part of the game, it's not just media members. I didn't. think something like that would happen. It's it assume it's true. Nobody's. confirmed it from the Hall of Fame side. yet, but. >> that's true. >> That is THEY COULD PIVOT ME. NOPE. [laughter] Never. >> I did go to Syracuse. I'm a journalist, so I do have to point that out just to. keep my journalism card. There we go.

But uh it's Look, it's not it's not. right. Like the guy should be in there. He's he's as good as it gets when it. comes to coaching in the history of this. league. Period. End of statement. And. that's not an arguable fact. >> We can't wait for you to get into all. the Hall of Fames you get into. Pison, we appreciate the hell out of you, ladies and gentlemen. >> Thank you, boys. Appreciate you. >> Nazi go. >> Yeah, he is so good at everything. >> Yeah, legit. >> everything. >> And he talks about just talking sports. >> Yeah, sure. I know the fourth fastest. speed walker in the world from 1989. But.

yeah, researchers are telling me that. this is what I should know. It's like, yeah, people get information to people. all the time. It's the act of retaining. it and keeping it and studying it and. taking the time to do it. It's like. that's a work ethic that also matches a. skill level that the goats have in. sports in other uh facets. It's like he. he's got he can do anything. >> That's the big thing cuz you could. really look like an [ __ ] if you're. covering the Olympics big time. You. know, he's not watching downhill skiing. every day of the week, >> but he has to act like it and he has to. pass the test. Will we pass the test? See you coming back tomorrow. Who knows?

Goodbye. Did not know we were that. close. >> Nice. >> I think I got. >> I think I got it in there. >> There's a There's a little thing that's. been staring at me all show though. I. It's kind of an interesting. >> There's a thing. Hey, >> sounds kind of weird. >> You've noticed this, too, right? >> I have. I thought it was a wrestling. dummy, but it's a little small. >> It's like a little voodoo doll just been. sitting down. >> Oh, no. Is that like a little uh. practicer? >> Yes, it is. >> Yeah, but it's way too small, right? I. mean, it's like a for Is that for ants? Who? who is fighting.

>> No, I actually offered it to AQ's son. I. said, "Hey, does Quay want this thing? Maybe you know, practice a couple double. legs, couple single legs." Listen, you. know, Iowa wrestling team sent me a. little gift box. Okay. And uh you know, I said, "Well, this thing's pretty. heavy. I don't think it's going to fit. on my desk. I got a bunch of other. [ __ ] up here. So, where am I going. to put it? I got to put it down there.". And it's pretty cool. But, you know, I'm. willing to to. >> to Penn State. You're going to give that. to a Penn State. Yeah, I don't know if.

you should do that. FEELS LIKE YOU GUYS. GAVE THE BIG 10 WRESTLING to Penn State. anyway. So, I don't know if you should. be doing that. >> From what he's been saying, AQ, it. sounds like Young Quay maybe needs it. >> What? >> This kid. >> It's too small. It's too small. >> This kid This kid's really got to become. a lot tougher if he wants to do anything. in life. >> This is your boy. >> Oh, yeah. >> You're a little worried, huh? A little. worried. Nice life. He's got a He's got. a built-in trampoline in the backyard. Got a beautiful pool, a shipyard there,

full thing. Potting green in the back. He's living. Is that what you're saying? I'm worried about this with my children. as well. Is this what we're staring down. here? >> I'm not worried about it for all my kids. cuz my girls are they're dogs. They're. animals. This kid, hey, just go cry to. your mother. Get away from me. WE'LL. TALK IN 5 YEARS. Come on. >> Come on. Go cry to her. Get away from. me. >> He's three and he's the softest. three-year-old I've ever been around. >> Died him. too old. >> YOU CAN'T BE GIVING UP on it yet. This. can't be happening. Do go to mom. What. do you What? >> I did one of these the other day. You.

know, like when you do like the. wrestling, you put your hand on their. head, right? Like I did that. I like. this. And he just goes, [screaming]. "Get away from me." [laughter]. >> Hey, you. You need to start guiding me. >> I'm trying. >> Landing. You say, "Don't cry from that.". Now granted, >> maybe this little voodoo wrestling doll. that has been staring at me all [ __ ]. out of nowhere. I'm literally didn't. notice it till maybe 15 20 minutes in. I'm like, "Talk." yada yada. Doing a. thing. What are we doing? Am I even. looking at anything right now? Potentially looking through people. And. then there's a little [ __ ] human down.

here. What's going on down here? >> Yeah. And kind of weird. >> Jimmy Johnson, I think, was giving an. answer. And that thing like bobbled a. little bit. I'm like, the little. fucker's moving. Okay. Cuz it's got. little arms down there. It's got the. whole thing. It was It's been quite a. day. So, I want to let the Iowa. wrestling uh club know. >> Easy. Iowa wrestling. This ain't some. [ __ ] inter mural slap dick. Okay. >> What's it say on there, man? I mean, technically, yeah, >> it says Hawkeye Wrestling Club, >> but the way you. >> IT'S BEEN STARING AT ME. >> The way you phrased it was like it's. some [ __ ] slap dick thing that mid30s.

guys do on the weekends. Okay. Is it. ain't [ __ ] that. All right. So, show. maybe an ounce of respect to it. Okay. I. understand it says Hawkeye Wrestling. Club on it. >> That's [laughter] what it is. >> It was wildly wildly disrespectful the. way you. >> like some inter mural man's league or. something. >> Yeah. AQ's basement buddy. made it that. way. >> Basically, [laughter] that's basically. what I should take that. >> I did not know why I meant that. Uh what. I meant was the Iowa Hawkeye wrestling.

camp. >> There you go. Okay, that's better. >> Them sending us little voodoo wrestling. dolls. We do appreciate I like the fact. they're showing you love cuz you do show. them love on a regular basis. >> They sent me this Dan Gable bobblehead. This I think this is maybe like one of. 10. This is a 1972 Olympic gold. medalist. You can see it there. And it. looks like. >> I mean I you know I don't want to say. it. I might sell this thing on eBay for. 100 100k 150k. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what we got in that. But. >> got to take it to Pawn Stars, Rick. >> Yeah. We don't know how how big the. market is obviously how long that'll be.

sitting, but there's a chance you're. holding gold right there on your on your. table. And it's also dented, so it does. look like it's the original. >> Well, the package was uh I don't know if. it was in transit. Uh there was actually. a uh Gable uh a 12 ounce beer in there. cuz Dan Gable has a uh a beer that you. know a brewery around there does. That. that [ __ ] was popped open. Everything. was soaked in beer in the box. So, but I. I'd have it no other way, you know? That's just. >> That's Hawkeye wrestling. >> Exactly. This hat, which is also Hawkeye. wrestling club. This thing was [ __ ]. soaked in beer. I'm I'm going to be.

smelling like a brewery when I get home. But that's just that's the cost of doing. business. That's the price you pay. >> Certainly because of that hat. Now, now. whenever you go to the Hawkeye Wrestling. Club, they've been doing this since 73. Training the next gold medalist is the. name of it. So, you got some like I. think pretty elite uh established stuff. here. I don't I still don't understand. what that little thing is supposed to. do. >> Me neither to be. >> I've seen fulls size ones. AQ I'm sure. you've seen a full size one. It's for. like Yeah, that's what I thought. >> Boom. >> Can AQ show us some moves on them? Like. some holds.

you this little like what are you. supposed to do with this thing? You got. you got you got to straddle it and then. you got to do the prank. >> WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING A TODDLER? LIKE. WHY THE [ __ ] WOULD YOU FIGHT WHY WOULD. YOU PRACTICE THIS THING? THIS THING'S. BEEN STARING AT ME. IT'S A IT'S A. WEIRDLY sized thing. It's because you're. looking for precise blows when you're in. the ground. Okay. Yeah. You can have a. full size adult. What do you think's. going to happen when you're aiming for a. quarter inch space ON SOMEONE'S. FOREHEAD? >> HOW OLD IS THIS THING? >> AIM SMALL MISSILE. >> THIS IS WHAT A 2-YEAR-OLD. >> IT'S NOT A HUMAN BEING. I mean, IT'S.

IT'S A [ __ ] TRAINING TOOL. >> WHAT AM I WHAT AM I TRAINING TO A. 2-YEAR-OLD? >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> LIKE THIS RIGHT HERE. WHAT AM I DOING? >> That's what I'm saying. You're you're. you're looking at precise spots. And. then that way when you actually get in. in a [ __ ] match or you get into a. street fight with somebody, you're. cutting open someone's forehead big time. with those 12 to six elbows. >> Oh, you're not going to think you're. doing it to a toddler though whenever. you're actually doing it to this size. thing. Bill's back there with a camera. right now. Bill probably has a couple of. these at home. >> Yeah. Something to think about.

>> What is this? Like a toy? What do you. think this is, Bill? >> I I don't know. Like I I get that it is. a a gimmick in this situation. I don't. understand where the gimmick would have. originated from. Like who was going to. make a 1/5 scale this for any reason? >> So this is why. >> because guess what? You dumb [ __ ] Kids. in Iowa start wrestling when they're 2. years old. When they're that big. >> Okay. So this is a kids training tool. >> I don't [ __ ] know. I'm just. [laughter] saying that would be if you. just use a little bit of context clues. and think about it a little bit. They're.

not sending that to 18 to 25 year olds. and thinking. >> I SAID IT TO YOU. HOW OLD ARE YOU? >> I GOT KIDS. OH, OKAY. [laughter]. >> CHRIST, MAN. [ __ ] DUDE. >> SO, are you going to take it home? >> We'll see. I mean, I that that thing's. kind of heavy. I don't really want that. thing get. >> How heavy [laughter] is it? You said. it's heavy. Is it heavy? >> I don't want that getting swung around. and, you know, my. >> They couldn't ship on. >> my 14-month-old, you know, taking one.

off the off the head. So, we'll see. >> The leather though would be good shoe. for dog, you know. Absolutely not. >> I know we're not going to do that, but. I'm just saying I think it would be. >> This is a crazy sized little human that. you're supposed to beat up and it's just. a hard thing to comprehend. >> That thing's sweet. >> It's cool. It's mystery all [ __ ] day. >> I know. >> Think about his little arms. >> Paint a little face on him. Put a little. face on him. Someone should paint. something there. >> Yeah, you're right. Thank you, Hawkeye. Wrestling Club. We are fans, but we we. just don't know, I think, what this is.

Let's take a break. [laughter]. >> Where are you going to put it now? I. >> I mean that's. >> Yeah, just hold him. >> We can do like Elf on the Shelf with. that. Just kind of hide it in different. places around the office. [ __ ] You just beat it down. You pound. it right in his [ __ ] [laughter]. little mouth. >> You give it to Give it to AQ for when he. wants to beat his son for crying. He can. just whail on that thing and say, >> "THIS IS WHAT MY REAL SON SHOULD be. acting like." [laughter] Okay. >> Look at the [ __ ] traps on that thing.

>> No emotions. steadfast. Try to be You need to start guiding the. child. Combat Sports International. legged grappling dummy. 35 lb, 50 lb, 70. lb, 120 lb. This ain't any of those. >> Those are the big ones. >> This is So this is like a toy version of. what? >> Back. That's. >> Yeah, cuz can imagine trying to ship. that thing to Tai. You got to get a. whole crate prop. >> Okay. So this was just like, hey, there's a bigger one on the way. This is. the child. >> It looks like. >> there's a dad on the way you can beat. up. Let's bring.

>> maybe. >> Hey, didn't you used to train with. these? You little. >> I never No, we I never really did in my. extensive MMA training. >> Open a couple gyms. This guy. >> Yeah, >> this is weird. This one's weird. >> Well, once again, you ain't I ain't. [ __ ] looking a gift horse in the. mouth, you know? I wasn't going to get. on here and [ __ ] [ __ ] and moan about. it. They sent it to me. It was, you. know, free.99. I was very, very, you. know, [snorts] happy about that. So, >> the hat's sick. >> I do like the hat a lot. >> The hat is sick. [ __ ] wrestle town. USA. >> The little guy is weird now that I think.

about he's saying like a merch box with. this little person in there. >> Yeah. I mean, it's literally like right. here. I mean, it's you know, this is. >> practice trying to. >> They should get this to high schoolers. maybe whenever they're thinking about. going uh, you know, letting the swimmers. swim. Just, hey, this is what your life. is and straight. Yeah. >> Is that. okay? All right. This one. >> No one ever accused wrestlers of. splitting the atom. So, let's uh let's. keep that in mind as well.

>> There's no reason for. >> Well, I'm just saying, you know, >> it's a good point. >> This is awesome toy, though. >> It is a cool toy. >> It's 100% leather. I mean, it's. >> genuine leather. I actually, you know, I. didn't want to say it. I might [ __ ]. strip that thing off and, you know, put. a fresh layer on my baseball glove. I. don't know. [laughter] Not bad. Good idea. We'll see. Did. >> you get that snowb blower? >> No, no, no, no. I'm going to wait a. little bit for that one.

>> Price might go down. >> It might. >> All right, we'll be back on the other. side. This is the greatest. That's one. of the best things we've ever been sent. to the Thunderdome. >> Especially because it's a little toddler. drenched in beer when it gets here. >> Yeah, thank you. >> That was a weird thing. Age. It was. literally just sitting there out of. nowhere. Pops up. I thought I was. tripping balls. I'm like, what? Did he. say you didn't know about it until it. showed up on set? >> No, I didn't know about it until I saw. it on set. >> You looked at me five different times. throughout the first two hours like what.

>> what what is that? >> Like that's not normally here. That. That's what my brain was thinking. Like. that that is. abnormal. It's what my brain was. thinking the entire time. >> I can see it. >> Yeah. And it was turns out. >> Yeah. Put it there yesterday after the. show. >> Yeah. >> Little baby Gable. >> Mhm. Little baby gable. >> That's right. >> 100% leather. >> Exactly. Genuine. >> for a low low cost of 100. How many. would you get rid of the the bobblehead? >> I'd consider bid starting at $150,000.

>> What if this was bundled with it? >> Well, I saw that that was, you know, retails for $399.99. So, >> no, that was triple the size of this. one. >> H I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. what I can get out of it. >> Good hat, though. >> It is good hat. >> And also, we love wrestlers because. their commitment to sport is uh insane. Bingo. >> Remember they're going to get rid of. wrestling. When was that? A couple years. back. >> Yeah. The Olympics. >> They should get rid of Iowa's wrestling. after Penn State beat him 30 to6 earlier. this year.

>> They do that to everybody though. Age. >> Yep. You're right. They should. >> maybe actually look into that. I don't. I'm not I'm not so sure. We we don't you. know, we got a bunch of [ __ ]. Dagistani guys, you know, just coming. over here. Don't speak any English. Don't know anything about anything. And. they're wrestling at every [ __ ]. weight for Penn State. >> You're talking about the Penn State. Wrestling Club. >> I am. And that's undocumented. I'm. almost positive they don't have any. Dagistani guys on there. [laughter] I. think it's just. >> I say they pull the roster up. >> Yeah. I'm pretty sure they don't. But. now the Dagistani guys are the guys that. took over the UFC, right?

>> Correct. Yeah. >> Just in better shape than everybody. >> Yeah. >> Actually training in frozen rivers with. Bears and [ __ ]. >> Correct. >> Like coming out like Yeah. We we this is. all we do. >> Yeah. They Well, they do other stuff, too. Uh which is more. [laughter]. >> Um All right. Yeah. I don't think we're. checking the roster. We don't see any. Dagistani wrestlers for the Penn State. Nitney Lions wrestling club. >> Yeah, I know. >> There are none. Yeah. >> Oh, >> these boys are winners though. >> Yeah, I was aware of that when. >> Hey, this is the one in.

>> Kale Sanderson. Yeah, Kale Sanderson. >> Yeah. >> What state did he come up in? >> He went to Iowa State, right? >> He did. >> Oh, he's Iowa State. He's Cyclone. >> Yeah. Undefeated. Never lost. >> Oh, yeah. And then he came as a coach. and did the same thing, right, with Penn. State. He was at Iowa State for a long. time. >> That's why we went and got our football. coach from Iowa State was we we had to. team THEM BACK TOGETHER. >> OH Cyclone coming to Happy Valley. >> That's it. >> It's a cyclone of success. >> That's exactly right. >> The other side we got good Seg. Good seg. on the other side.

>> Super Bowl trenches. Trenches in the. Super Bowl. S trench Super Bowl warfare. Trench bowl fair. >> Mhm. >> Try to name it properly, but it's the. trenches basically in the Super Bowl. What did we land on? Do we remember what. we Super Bowl trenches? Smart. >> Okay, there you go. >> Got a breakdown of the offense and. defensive lines from both sides here. The Patriots and the Seahawks coming. from AQ Shipley. We also got to wrap up. all the other sports stories happening. around the sports universe. College. basketball had a great NIGHT LAST NIGHT.

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OH MY GOD. WHAT HAVE I DONE? [screaming]. IT'S more than an antivirus and we love. that. It's more than an antivirus. They. have no back. >> Jack, you got anything to say to the. team here? >> Oh man, you guys keep crushing and. firing everybody up. It's bigger than. you guys and you guys are the freaking.

best. >> Boom. >> Thank you, Jack. >> That's amazing. >> YES. >> GOD DAMN IT. I NEEDED THAT. >> I got back in shape. Best shape of my. life. I felt like I just threw people. through walls. Oh [ __ ] What's. happening? [music]. >> What the [ __ ] is this? >> We interrupt your regular [music]. programming with breaking news. >> We have reports of a UAP approaching.

Indianapolis. They have messaged to. officials they are coming [music] to. take over the world. Government agencies. have been alerted that they plan to land. and activate Earth's Armageddon switch. [music]. >> This is literally the scariest situation. imaginable. A true doomsday scenario. [music]. Please stay calm, seek shelter. immediately, and pray to whatever god or. higher power you believe in. [music]. >> Was that what landed here? >> I think Indianapolis. What? So that. can't be. >> We got to go find these [ __ ].

[music]. >> Yeah, >> that's what we need to do. I think that. sounds like something you should jack. [music] car yet. >> I don't know. We need to. >> Let's go. Come on. Let's go. >> All right. Let's go. Yeah. [music]. >> [ __ ] these pieces of [ __ ] [music].

Oh, there it is. That [ __ ] It's. here. It's here. It's the button. >> Yeah, it is. >> Oh, hey, do you have a rifle? No. I got something better. I got. something better. >> Jack, I've been saving this. >> What? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> What is this thing? This ask for a. rifle. What is this? Yeah, it uh it.

kills aliens. Yeah, I bought it online. Deep web. [music]. >> That's certainly convenient for us. All. right, here we go. >> Hey, will you be my spotter? >> Oh my god. It'd be my honor. Let's go. kill these [ __ ]. >> Let's do this. >> Where are they? >> I don't know. I think they're coming. Looks like they might be coming from. right over here. >> Yeah. Yeah. Looks like I see their. [ __ ] ship. Let's go. They're not. going to get to that button, Jack. >> Nope. They will not get to that button. Is that one of them?

>> Yeah. Black helmet, car heart, khaki. He's walking right at you. GO AHEAD AND. P. YEP. YEP. YEP. THAT'S IT, JACK CARR. THAT'S IT, JACK CARR. YOU KILLED THAT. SON OF A [ __ ]. >> OH, there's another one. He looks exact. same. Little taller. A little bit more. awkward. >> Little more awkward. Yeah. Yeah. He's in. the same spot though. Go ahead and get. him. Go ahead and get him. GO AHEAD. YEAH, THERE HE IS. GOOD HIT, JACK. >> TWO DOWN. TWO DOWN. >> TWO DOWN ALIENS. NOT ON OUR WATCH.

[laughter]. >> OH, he came down backwards. This one. showing you his back. No respect. >> No respect. Kind of a disrespectful. alien here as he drags his carcass. around. books. OH, ALL THREE OF THEM. STACKED UP. >> JACK CAR SLAYING ALIENS.

>> OH, there's one more. >> IT'S A BIG ONE. >> OH, HE LOOKS LIKE AN EATER. >> HE IS AN EATER. >> OH, MAN. >> THIS MUST BE their supreme commander. Look at the size. HE'S LOOKING AT YOU, JACK. HE'S COMING AT YOU, JACK. HE'S. COMING AT US. ZACK, GET HIS BIG ASS. BACK. BOOM. THIS GUY'S TRYING TO TAKE. DOWN OUR PLANET. [screaming]. GO THE [ __ ] OUT.

That's it, Jack. GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOU SACK. OF [ __ ]. [music]. HEY, good work, dude. Amazing. >> That was awesome day. I mean, they were. going to [ __ ] come in here. I mean, they just popped up and then [music] you.

just shot him right in the [ __ ] head. >> I don't know. Good thing we saw that. newscast when we did. >> Well, that's the that's why they do the. live alert. >> I don't know. [music] Did we know that? But that's still. >> I feel like that should have been. disclosed when we got this place. >> The legit. >> Let's go and talk to [music] the boys. >> Amazing. Let's do it. >> What a life you live, >> man. I'm just glad you had this rifle. and I had those binos. What are the odds. of that? >> I mean, I could see them. >> Good thing [music] I carry those with me. everywhere I go. >> The big one at the end really ate some. [ __ ] pain. >> Yeah, I feel like he stopped somewhere.

on the way in after a snack. >> Yes, he did. Yes, he did. >> Are we Are we good? >> What do you think, boys? [ __ ] Jack. Cars here. [music]. >> [screaming]. [music].

>> If that's not enough reason to buy his. new book, I don't know what is. [ __ ]. just saved the earth. And nobody would. have known about it if it didn't just so. happen to happen right here with all. these cameras. >> Thank you, Jack Carr. Thank you, Jack. [music] Carr. >> Thank you, Jack. >> Thank you, Jack. >> Thanks, guys. Thank you guys. >> Three-time world saver Jack Carr has. done it again. We're all mind blown that. a global attack always seemingly happens. when [music] Jack Carr comes to the. Thunderdome, but boy, we're thankful.

he's always there to save us all. On. that note, Jack Carr's new book, Cry. Havoc, is available now. It's a Vietnam. era thriller in the eighth installment. of the multiple time New York [music]. Times bestselling series, Terminal List. Hell yeah, Jack Carr. Hell yeah. >> Is my guy here named? >> Ben G. >> What is your major? >> Psychology. >> Okay. You're a psychology major. That. you're a deep thinker. Is that right? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Is that going to help or hurt you.

today? You think? >> Maybe hurt a little. >> Okay. Well, I want to let you know. psychology wise, you should know that. there is a radiant energy of positivity. right to your left. Jelly Roll will be. here helping out. So Jelly Roll said, "Pat, I want to try to win hundreds of. thousands of dollars for a charity in. Athens. I WANT TO KICK A BALL for. $100,000 to give back to this community. that is embracing him as a part of it.". >> And I think I'm fixing to split the. upright. >> Okay. How much weight have you lost now? >> I've lost $250 for this moment, George.

I'm fixing to do it. [cheering]. >> All right, Ben. The kick is currently. $100,000 for you. If he makes it, it'll. go up to $250,000. We will also donate. $100,000 to a local charity, Jelly Roll. >> And I will match that $100,000. So. $200,000 to a local charity, baby. >> Let's go, Jelly Roll. Let's go. Let's. go. >> Okay. HERBY WILL ALSO TOSS IN $100,000. to charity, WHICH IS VERY KIND OF HIM. >> YES, SIR. >> $300,000 FOR CHARITY.

>> How about. >> All right. >> I was worried for my tongue. >> All right. What can I do different, Pat? I think you could try to aim to the. right if I were you. Or if you knew. somebody that was a very good kicker, I. think now would be a great time to just. go ahead and say, "Hey, why don't you do. that for me?". >> You know what? >> Why don't you raise some money for the. city? >> I'll make another 100,000. We'll make it. 300,000. The local charity, if you'll. let me pick up the LEGENDARY HOT ROD.

[screaming] FROM GEORGIA BACK HERE, BABY. MY BOY HOT ROD IS IN THE HOUSE. TODAY. >> Hot Rod, it's great to see you. You look. fantastic. Thank you for your service to. the Colts. Can't wait to see you back in. the NFL. Okay, so he'll put up how much. you put up? >> $200,000 for a charity right here in. Georgia. >> I'll put up $200,000 as well. Kirk will. put up $200,000. We got a $600,000. donation and Ben's kick WILL BE WORTH. 400,000. THIS COULD BE A MILLION DOLLAR. HERE. HOT ROD.

>> 33 YDS. HOT ROD POTENTIALLY A MILLION ON. the line. [screaming]. >> [cheering]. >> Let's go. Let's go. >> Still got it. Still got it. >> Thank you, hot rod. >> This is very expensive. BEN, [cheering]. back to you. Back to you. During.

commercial break, there was no way we. were going to be able to get out of that. lawn out there without giving him. another shot. 100,000 [music] bucks. He. knocks it through. Pump for Ben. Thankful for HOT ROD. ALL ROADS LEADING. TO EUGENE. AND I CAN'T HELP BUT SAY, "HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY. YOU MAKE ME WANT TO JUMP. PUT MY HANDS.

UP AND PICK MY HEELS UP AND ALL AGAIN. NOW. [cheering]. A little bit now. A little bit softer. now. A little bit softer now. A little. bit softer now. A little bitter now. A. little bit NOW. A LITTLE BIT LOUDER NOW. A LITTLE BIT LOUDER NOW. A LITTLE BIT. LOUDER NOW. A LITTLE BIT LOUDER NOW.

>> [laughter]. >> IT'S AWESOME. IT'S A GREAT DAY in. Oregon. >> You know, we got to. [laughter]. [screaming]. >> WE ARE. WE ARE. >> WE ARE. >> Thank you. [laughter]. >> [screaming].

>> I love I love this [ __ ] there. Yeah. Hell yeah. HELL YEAH. HELL YEAH. ROUGH. We got engineers. We got doctors. We got. economists. [laughter]. We got real tests THAT HAVE REAL REAL.

IMPLICATIONS HAPPENING. And all of these SONS OF SAID, "GIVE ME. COLLEGE GAME DAY.". [cheering]. Instead of studying, [cheering and applause] I had some. questions about coming out here to. Berkeley. But after experiencing it, it. is very evident that this is one of the. best cities in this here United States. of America. [cheering].

USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA. And this. represents EVERYTHING THAT IS GREAT WITH. THIS COUNTRY, with our sport. It doesn't. matter which way you view the world. It. doesn't matter which part of the country. you're from. College football runs. through our soul and that is what a. celebration today is all about. I AM. THANKFUL TO BE HERE amongst these nerds.

and future geniuses and future people. that are going to run this place. It's. an honor to be in Berkeley. It's foggy. I think there's SOME SKUNKS THAT DIED. DOWN the street, but this is awesome. Oh, [music]. I'm all the way in your dream. Smoking.

on some new green. Changing up the. routine. Gratitude. Truly feel like new. [music] school. Life's pretty cool. G3. jobs. Fuel means tank top. Blue jeans. never change. Crew needs deep shots. Few. screens, [music] movie stars, rings, bank account, juicy chances, [music]. hating folks to keep. Yeah, you waiting.

for. [music]. Yeah. You waiting for. 2K. Yeah, you waiting for. 2K. Yeah, I'm up here in your jeans, [music] walking on some new green, checking out some new scenes. And you [music] waiting for. [music].

Okay. [music]. >> Hey, what? >> Let's go. >> This show stinks and the fact that you. listen, we are very, very thankful for. >> McAfee on the line with a gorgeous.

assist. >> The all-time leading tackler for the. Green Bay Packers. You. stop. Damn it. >> Be a friend. Tell a friend something. nice could change their life. >> Hello beautiful people and welcome back. to our hum. The Thunderdome on this. Super Bowl season watch Wednesday. January 28th 2026. Hour three of the. [music] program begins right now. >> FOOTBALL IS THE BEST. THAT'S AJ HAWK.

the toxic tables here at Boston Conor. and at Ty Schmidt. A man who's a. nine-year NFL vet, an absolute stallion. of a Yukon Husky representative. Darius. J. Butler is here. >> Hey, what are you wearing there, man? Is. that sun day red? >> Red. Yeah. And I don't know if you've. been reading internet up to the right. >> I I have heard that the Sun Day Red uh. brand is up and to the right with Tailor. Made. Ain't that right? >> Yep. Tiger, [clears throat] what did you. expect? Who else?

>> Exceeding expectations, right? Exceeding. expectations, >> of course. >> Yeah. I mean, just in, Nuclear Golf. reported Tiger Woods clothing brand Sun. Day Red is growing faster than expected. and is exceeding all revenue targets. Uh, Tailor Made CEO uh David Abelis. tells Front Office Sports, the brand is. now looking to expand with a full roster. of athletes to wear its product in. competition. >> Okay. >> Sunday Red starting to get into the. action a little bit more. I've never. seen anybody actually wear it outside. outside of the Thunderdome. >> Well, you know, you you don't golf.

>> Yeah, me either. >> You're busy. >> I don't really get out out there much, I. guess. But I don't see like a big. >> wave of Sunday red in my feed with. golfing stuff that happens out there, too. >> How many of us are in the building. >> right now? There's like uh 14 13. >> Okay. Out of 13, we got one, two, >> 30, and then tone over Hammer Dantine. So that's four out of 30. was pretty. >> about a third of the Thunderdome wearing. it. But I think you guys just read it or. wore it because of how we all reacted to.

the pricing of it, right? Isn't that. kind of what happened? >> Nobody's wearing it, Pat. This is a lie. There's no way people are wearing it. I've never seen one person in the wild. wearing it. You go to their website, you. look at just a standard sweatshirt, and. you go, "Holy [ __ ] that is way. overpriced. I ain't wearing it." You see. a golf [clears throat] polo, I ain't. wearing it. It is incredibly overpriced. And like you said, never seen anyone. wearing it in the wild. >> But on that note, Tiger Woods is a part. of it. So, still want to kind of have a. piece of it. Yeah, exactly. We love. Tiger Woods and it's his brand or. whatever. AQ, you live in Arizona. A lot.

of golfing out there. How much Sun Day. Red are you wearing? >> Well, I'd say about 70% of my closet is. uh. >> sun. red, of course. And my shoes. Got some. shoes yesterday. Great shoes. >> Sunday red shoes. >> They have shoes. >> Are they two grand or how much? >> Golf like golf shoes or regular or both? >> Uh golf shoes. Golf shoes. They're fair. They're fair. They're fairly quiet. Take. down. [laughter]. >> That was a DT. >> That was a DD on the chair. >> Bit of a tornado.

>> Just had to had to get it off of the. chair, you know. It didn't even. [laughter] know. I don't know if. anybody's doing that. >> That kid's dead. >> Hawkeye wrestling club. >> Oh boy. Sunday Red though. Congratulations. I love that. Tiger. going to continue to grow his business. and brand. I didn't expect Sunday Red to. be what Sunday Red was though whenever. it got launched. I thought we were like. I thought it was actually gonna take. over my golf closet. Like I'm like, "All. right, I'm gonna definitely do that.". Tiger Woodsy [ __ ] I'm in. That is what. I'm gonna do. That's why everybody. started wearing the [ __ ] red. That's. why everybody started wearing Nike. That's why everybody stopped wearing uh.

collars because he launched it. He. basically was the influencer of golf. wear. Basically, it was pretty obvious. to tell from outside looking in. So, as. soon as he starts his own [ __ ] I'm. like, "Hell yeah, I'm going to do that.". And then just like Foxy, I go to the. website. I go, "Get the [ __ ] T. Come on. I can't do that. I can't." Hey, as Ty. would say, this ain't a [ __ ] soup. kitchen, right? >> Ty would say that. >> Ladies and gentlemen, there are sports. happening around us right now that we. need to start appreciating more because. there's one football game left. >> Year NFL vet.

>> until. >> we got the Pro Bowl games on Tuesday. >> Have we have we come around to how we. feel about it? Are we going to give it. an opportunity? Are we going to be. open-minded? Shador Sanders about to go. for four or five touchdowns on Tuesday. night. Flag football Pro Bowl. Okay. Who's all playing? Do we have anybody? Do we know who's playing? Do we know. what's going on? What the coaches are? Who the coaches are? Are there any other. events? Are we doing a tugof-war at any. different time? Are we jumping off a. diving board? Remember, we were trying. to make this entire thing what it was. We were catching water balloons.

Remember that? At one point for the PRO. BOWL. >> I DON'T LIKE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE. PRO BOWL. OKAY, I don't want to be old. man yelling at Clouds, >> but we obviously learned too much about. the potential risk of injury from these. Pro Bowls. We started paying too much. money. We started finding out things. Then obviously opt out started becoming. just a normal uh part of the process. because it's good for business. Can't. blame people. Then the NFL, I think, stopped caring about the Pro Bowl. I. talked about us going to Phoenix and. having to split a hotel with some. conference and they, you know, we it.

used to be in Hawaii. So I think a lot. of different people wanting to make the. Pro Bowl not what it used to be. But we. need to make sure we take care of that. We need to figure that out somehow. You. know, I feel like it's dead and gone, but I would like to figure that out. And. maybe Tuesday night's awesome. Maybe. Tuesday night's awesome. AJ, we got to. think about that. >> Yeah, I mean, I'm going to give it a. chance for sure. But what is the flag. advisor there? That role. What does that. person do? >> Well, obviously they come from the flag. football world, so they actually know. the rules, know the game. Uh, when I got.

a chance to be a part of the Pro Bowl. games a couple years back, it was in Las. Vegas. Uh, I do believe there was like. flag football people that were there on. site to be of assistance for the game of. flag football because it's a little. different than regular football, but I. do remember them never getting asked any. questions. Sure. >> And I do remember them being like, we. could certainly, you know, like, hey, there's a couple things here with the. refs and like this type of thing that we. could go through. I think they did end. up getting a chance to speak, but I. don't think they were being consulted. with nearly enough in my eyes whenever I. was like, hey, this is a different.

sport, these people with the refing and. how what looks good, what doesn't look. good. But I think obviously over the. span of the last couple years, it's. probably become a little bit more, hey, flag football is a different sport. Maybe we should try to learn some things. if we're going to try to play it. Especially with how prevalent flag. football is becoming in like the world. of football, you know, it's a whole. thing. So maybe Tuesday's bigger than. it's ever been because flag football. matters now. Yeah. >> Maybe this is this maybe we need maybe. it's perfect timing for this. Maybe it. does need a little bit of eyeballs. Maybe it does become a content creation. place. But all we need to know is uh can. we can we find a way to celebrate the.

best in the AFC and the best in the NFC. every single year? Because it does. matter, I think, especially whenever. they judge people going into the Hall of. Fame. But if you accomplish everything. there is to accomplish, will you get. into the Hall of Fame? What's real? What. isn't? Oh, no. AJ, I don't want to get. in that rabbit hole. >> I know. AI. >> could just announce the all pro teams. and just leave it at that and keep it. moving. >> Mhm. >> And have like. >> Who votes on the All Pro teams? >> Tony. >> Tony. Yeah. [laughter]. >> Tony Ramo. >> No. Tiny dicks. >> No, but I'm saying yo who votes on the. Hall of Fame.

>> Yeah, I wonder how much overlap. >> Not me. I'd like that to be known. >> I'm just sitting there staring at the. camera. Just would like this to be very. much understood that AP tone does not. stand for anything with the Hall of Fame. >> or college football either. >> Just strictly AP awards in the NFL. NFL. honors is his night to shine. Okay, he. doesn't get invited to it, but is his. votes that are certainly happening with. that. But it's always media, right? That. the old pro is all media.

>> They usually get it right though. >> I'm gonna tell you for our my position. they don't. So like I I think you know. offensive line I think people would say. they don't get it right. You know it's. like positions you don't really know. about. >> It's kind of hard to get it right. because then you got to pay attention to. like every single snap. I'm not saying. me in particular getting screwed out of. any pros but it's like who's voting for. the best punter. You're just gonna. whoever you know. Yeah. Like whoever you. know is going to be offensive lineman. It's kind of the same thing. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like what? >> Fair. >> So, what matters?

>> Get rid of them all. >> NO, CUZ WE SHOULD celebrate the grades. >> Yeah, >> I agree. >> Do we just do we just use PFF? Is that. just our go? You know what? >> Oh, no. >> Every play, every snap, every game. That's the end all be all. >> And then their ranking at the bottom. actually matters. >> They don't get rid of it. Actually, they. promote it even more. This is all we. got. >> They should make a committee. former. players, every position make a committee. But do. all the former players watch though?

>> No. >> And also a lot of former players, I'm. not going to just bury all former. players because we are certainly in that. department, but there is a uh crew of. former players that don't necessarily. like the next generation [clears throat]. maybe being considered better than them. So, you got to make sure you get the. right how do you make sure that you get. the right uh. >> haters out there. A lot of haters out. there, especially when we get on this. >> and it goes real big, it's like, "Oh, wait a minute. I can do that again.".

>> So, if I say. this group soft, oh [ __ ] there's an. angle. Okay, I'm just going to do this. for a living. That has happened in the. past. Not with everybody. We're just. saying we have seen that in the past. with sports. So, if we were to get the. right My immediate thought is like, how. do we create something that becomes uh. something that actually means something. and matters? how do we do like a uh. football for the good of football uh. museum or something like in Las Vegas. where it's like uh actual you get put. into it but the amount of time it would. take for it to become credible uh and.

respected is just way too long. I I. don't know if you you have enough time. to build that because like the Pro. Football Hall of Fame, the reason why. it's so impressive is because the vault. in the basement actually has like the. original documents from we thought we. saw Clark Hunt had his own [ __ ] in his. office, I guess. But down there, it's. like the history of ball is there, which. is why it's so sacred. So, can you just. create something new? I don't, you know, that's like an I thought about that last. night for. >> way too long. I would I would say I. thought about that for about an hour and. a half about like could you create. something that actually matters but then.

how do you make it matter? Well, you. would have to have the right people. Would you ever have the right people? >> That's the hardest part. >> And you never I don't know how you do. it. That's why it was sacred that we had. it and then now we can't have we can't. have this ruin the entirety of the Hall. of Fame. >> Yeah, I think they could do it. I think. it's just Bill and Tom. If Bill comes. out and says he's going to start his own. kind of museum hall of fame like you're. saying and then Brady opts for that one. instead of the Pro Football Hall of. Fame, I feel like that would do it. Like. Dion, we've heard before talking about. how like there are tears. There needs to. be tears.

>> He wanted different halls. >> Yeah. Tears to the Hall of Fame. Exactly. And if Bill was like, you know. what, you're right. And this is going to. be the one that is only for the, you. know, Bradies and Bellich, which there. are none. But still, that would be the. standard. Like I feel like that could. gain legs, but Bill has too much respect. for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so he. won't do it. >> Exactly. Like I think even Bill I I I. doubt we're going to hear a single. negative thing from Bill Bichc about the. Pro Football Hall of Fame because how. much he respects and we will not hear a. single negative thing about that because. he knows it's a se it's these current.

voters aren't the Pro Football Hall of. Fame that's been there for these are the. keepers of who gets in at the moment. So. he won't hold it against it. It's like. that's why it's sacred because. everybody's like it's the Pro Football. Hall of Fame. Have any no have any of. the the no voters come out publicly and. said I voted no and this is why. >> now in you know Jimmy Johnson said. they're all full of [ __ ] you said. everybody come out and say they didn't. do it. >> ignorant and jealous Ignorant and. jealous [ __ ] Jimmy threw heat today. >> right away I loved it. >> I read his tweet and I'm like wow. Jimmy's got some real [ __ ] passion. here but he really does so we we send.

out Hail Mary you know like Hail Mary to. Jimmy Johnson shout to Foss getting the. connect shout to uh I believe Shrags. helped in this entire thing as well, I. believe. Shrekes. So, we're very. grateful for uh the most interesting man. in sport uh Peter Shrager making the uh. connection there. But yeah, we get him. on and I'm like I as he's talking I'm. like [ __ ] I forgot how awesome Jimmy. Johnson is. Like I forgot how awesome he. was, which was not good. And then as he. keeps going and like doing it and still.

having the juice fire complete, no flubs. like, "Hey, how you doing? Keep it. moving." Like, "How old is this [ __ ]. guy?". >> Yeah. >> 82 years old. He pulls up on him. I'm. like, golly. 82 years old, still. throwing it, plus having this much uh. passion and talking [ __ ] It's like this. guy, this guy's got to figure it out. It. feels like Jimmy's a legend. Absolutely. >> Yeah. And his hair looked unbelievable. And when you think about the Fox show. the entire year, it's like, how is Jimmy. Johnson the one that got the boot when. they were adding people in retired? >> They were they were four four I won't.

say four. There are three guys up there. that Jimmy Johnson blows out of the. water. I think he decided I believe if I. recall and that was a very emotional I. remember those videos remember the AI. >> oh my god I got like emotional for the. guy and I don't even know him I'm like. hey thank you for your commitment to. sport and I think we forgot he was 80. years old how much he spent to and how. much he committed to ball. >> and it I mean if today was any. indication like if he wanted to that's. why I think it it is pretty clear that. he just he was like [ __ ] this I'm going. to retire I'm going to walk away now and. do what I want to do but like he could.

do that for another 7 to 10 years like. with us. We would certainly. >> That's what I'm saying. He's still as. sharp as a [ __ ] tax. So, you know, >> Ian O'Connor, who's been on top of. everything from the Giants news, despite. this column I wrote on how Eli Manning. deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Word. is the Giants QB didn't make the cut. this year. >> What? >> Wow. How's it getting out on who made. it, who didn't make it, more. specifically, hopefully Eli will go in. next year with his old friend Bill Bich, who I'm thinking will get 50 out of 50. votes the second time around. And you.

know, Connor said they'll get it right. because they were publicly called out. and those types of cowards you usually. don't get called out. So that's why. they're able to do what they want to do. And then once somebody calls them out, then they grandstand complete the. opposite way. And that's just like. natural behavior by these particular. group of people, I would assume. But Ian. O'Connor there talking about Eli Manning. not making it. We assumed multiple Super. Bowls is a Manning. Just we assumed, you. know, that that kind of would be the. case. So he's out. Bill's out. Who's in? >> How many years is this for Elon now? who.

that he's. >> Yeah, this will be his second time. >> Okay. >> So, he's not first ballot or second. ballot. When do they stop saying the. ballots? This is like for kids with. months of age. >> Oh, >> when do you stop saying it? Like, >> Daniel, you're after first, >> you know, cuz I was nominated I was. nominated three times. So, I could have. been the third ballot, I guess. You. know, >> then I just it cut me off. AJ's first. ballot still. Well, second ballot next. year. >> Yeah. >> What do you say? 18 months. Is that when. you stop saying months for kids? >> Year and a half feels like. Yeah, that's. probably the right time.

>> Mhm. >> You've you've had 10 kids. When did you. stop doing it? >> I don't even know now. Probably 18. months. Yeah, I'd say a year and a half. >> Did you ever buy any of the kids one of. these little uh. >> stop once they start walking? >> Whatever month you're at, then you hit. one or you hit, >> you know, a year and a half. >> How long would this thing survive in a. in the hawk house? You. >> My kids would love that thing. Are you. kidding me? They would try to rip its. arms and legs off. No question. Day one. Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

>> So, what we learned was this is for kids. to take to get autographs. >> Oh, okay. >> They pull up in the house. >> I don't know if I 100% buy that. >> Who said that? >> Zo Z. I know. Like it it says that on. there. If that's just an autograph. thing, like why is it that weight? Why. does it look like that? I mean, because. you know what you could do to get. autographs? >> Like get like a pennant or like. >> or a hat. Yeah. >> Well, there's a pen right in front of. you there. So, >> that's. >> Do you think anybody's signing the arms?

Like somebody that has a really good. left arm drag signing left arm right. there. >> Maybe. Maybe. >> that's me. Now, these things pretty I. mean, you know, >> very high quality here. >> Yep. >> I think that was that thing is built for. young axle hawk to. >> just roll with that thing all day long. >> Thing's so small. I mean, that's for. that's for an 18-month old kid pretty. much. >> Yeah, it is. >> Which one you start? Oh, EASY. [screaming]. >> OH, she's in a plank position.

>> Yeah. Jeez. >> Unbelievable. >> Never gives up. >> Getting back up. Yeah. [laughter]. >> Oh, >> yeah. I got. >> still up. >> Yep. Mhm. >> Not out. You're not going to beat me. now. >> Yeah, I did kick out. Yeah, I did see. that. Did see that. Yeah. I mean. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> THERE YOU GO. ONE, TWO. NO, NO. [laughter]. TWO, TWO.

>> Good kick. [laughter]. >> Still up. >> See, I'm undefeated. >> Yeah, >> it's unbeatable. It's unbelievable. >> Maybe you should take that to little. baby Quay. >> THERE WE GO. >> PRECISION STRIKES. WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU. DOING NOW? Welcome home, son. >> Stop crying, little boy. >> Good. So, that's that's what you did in.

the basement. >> That's what you. >> That would hurt. That was so cool. >> Did you guys have full size those. things? >> Oh, yeah. Full size. >> Okay. So, >> that's what it's for, though. >> Maybe you do take that to the boy. So, you get your fullsize one. >> You get the the one for a boy and you. guys are hopping and elbow dropping all. over the place. >> You're next. >> Yeah. And then when if he doesn't want. to, YOU CAN SAY, "OH, GET OUT OF HERE. SEND ONE OF YOUR SISTERS IN HERE TO beat. the [ __ ] out of this thing. >> That's exactly [laughter] what's going. to happen. >> Last night, college basketball had a big. one.

>> No lead was safe. His house is being. reported. CREAM ABDUL JABBAR, do you. remember him? >> Oh yeah. >> Indiana State legend whenever he uh now. goes to St. Louis. >> Yeah, he transferred with his coach. whenever his coach uh moved on from the. miraculous run he had a few years back. Well, don't you worry. He's still doing. it in the specs. 43. BANG. WE WIN. Shout out to Avia again. A. huge, huge dub. Six AP ranked teams.

overcame doubledigit deficits. That's. the most in one night over the last. eight seasons. This is really starting. to pick up. I see Michigan State up. there, Foxy. This kid, incredible story. I believe he got shot and now he's back. playing ball. And Michigan State's for. real. >> Yes, sir. That's Jeremy Fears. I believe. it was two seasons ago. He got shot in. the leg, was out for the year, and now. he is our best player last night. We're. at Ruckers. We are down 12 with 10. minutes to go. Jeremy Fur had 27 second. half points. Takes us to overtime and we. win that game. He's an absolute dog on a.

long list of really good Michigan State. point guards in our history. He's up. there at the top. >> Okay. Arkansas, I see them getting a big. win last night. That's Calipar's boys, right? How are they as a squad? >> Pretty solid. I mean, the SEC, you know, there's still the SEC, I don't think. this year is quite as good as it has. been. Uh, holy [ __ ] I'm going to sneeze. very badly here. >> Looking into the light. >> Looking into the light. >> Look up. Look up. >> What does that do? >> I don't know. It either makes you sneeze. or makes you not stop it. >> It stopped it. Uh, but yeah, Coach Cal's. big thing as of late has basically been.

like he's trying to preserve like I'm. going to I'm going to recruit high. school kids. Okay. I'm sick and tired of. these 27 28-year-old kids coming in. I'm. going to continue doing what I'm doing. But I mean, we know co coach cow come. tournament time, Arkansas, you know, the. the Razerbacks, they're always going to. be a threat. >> Nebraska was undefeated until last. night. They were 12 and a half point. dogs or 10 and a half point dogs going. into a game against Michigan as an. undefeated squad. They lose by three, but get the cover. Congrats to Nebraska. on an insane start, I would imagine. >> Yeah, it's I mean, it's crazy how good.

they are. Like, if you just watch them. play just by the look of them, you'd be. like, man, this team it's it's just. weird. They should like Michigan has. been just beating the [ __ ] out of. everybody for the most part. But. offensively they just I mean Fred. Hoyberg's got those boys really really. playing well and I mean they they'll be. one of those teams we're talking about. come March. >> Connor, what's first half point scores. of these games? >> Uh I mean Nebraska Michigan was. ridiculous. That was the first college. basketball game I've watched all year. Not really a college ball guy till March. Madness rolls around and it was like 50. to 44. All of a sudden I thought, okay,

they they learn how to play offense in. college. Maybe I can buy into it. And. the teams are so good. >> Well, they're getting next pro players. in there as well. You know, that'll. certainly change it. Virginia gets a. huge win over Notre Dame and Miami. preserves its undefeated streak, right? Miami has started undefeated. Miami of. Ohio, they get a win over UMass. UMass. had a chance to win it at the end. Talk. about a massive upset over the. undefeated Miami. No good. [screaming]. No good. UMass Minutemen lose again. [clears throat]. >> Some people are saying they're not.

impressed by Miami because they only got. by UMass by two. I heard that in the. Thunderdome. I hear people trying to. diminish what the University of Miami of. Ohio has been doing on a basketball. court because they haven't played. anybody. I hear a lot of that happening. around time. >> Not to mention the UMass Minutemen man. There hasn't been buzz like this since. Marcus Cami was walking the campus. Okay, this team is legit. I I would look. out for UMass as a as a sleeper when the. Torney comes around. >> Best season start by any program in MAC. history, the Miami Red Hawks. Congratulations. That's a good. basketball team. >> That's right. >> We might talk to the coach here in the.

next coming days or coming weeks or. whatever. We can't wait for that. college basketball is going to happen, which remember we got to enjoy that. We. do enjoy that, especially when nights. like last night happen, first time in. eight seasons. And then we look ahead to. 11 days from now, the Super Bowl, >> the Patriots, and the Seahawks. Just. like any big game that matters in. football, it's going to come down to who. can control the line of scrimmage. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to go. Super Bowl trenches with AQ Shift. A. >> Hey, let's talk about these trenches, shall we? And uh what we should maybe be.

paying attention to on both sides of the. ball. Who has the advantage? who's. potentially going to get God. >> Yeah, we're going to break down both. sides. And I do think, I know we say. this all the time, it always comes down. to the trenches. It's cliche to say, but. I do believe this game more than any. other game is going to come down to the. trenches. And when you talk about New. England, you have to talk about Drake. May's legs. He is part of the run game. So, right here, he's pointing out. obviously this backer to the right side. But the big thing here, you're going to. get a quarterback draw. Garrett. Bradberry has been fantastic. Watch him.

get skinny. 65 climb up on the. linebacker and then he sees a butt and. he finds the end zone. We got one more. run. On the next run, we got Jared. Wilson. Take a look here. This all. rookie left side. >> Guardian cap. Guardian cap on. Smart. likes to preserve his brain. This guy's. got a big brain here. >> Yeah, it doesn't look so cool, but let's. take a look at him climb on the second. level. Now watch this. Stop it right. there. Now watch him get his head back. to the front side, RUN HIS FEET, AND. BURY HIM IN THE GROUND. >> OKAY, like this seems like a little. holding maybe. No, that's good.

technique. Finishing the block. >> Yeah, it seems like he was holding a. little bit. I like the big shot coming. in here from six. You're saying Drake. May in the run game for the Patriots. Certainly a problem. They got two back. here. They got two back here that they. use. >> I think the big thing, yeah, their. fullback's fantastic. And whenever they. get in their two back run game, that is. when they're at their best or multiple. tight end sets. And that is going to be. key. But then we're going to take a look. at Seattle's defensive line. And this is. how you have to block them. You have to. block them by taking care of this.

fiveman front. Do we see five guys. across? Point them out. >> LIKE THE burger joint. There it is. This. is what THEY'RE GOING TO DO, >> GUYS. HEY, I want that thing double. snack. Give me a little bit of fries. there. I like a little cheese. Maybe add. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> BANG. [groaning]. >> It all starts with Leonard Williams and. Byron Murphy. That's their two studs. But I got Byron Murphy circled. Leonard. Williams gets all the hype. Let's watch. three clips here of drop knee technique. Look at this. See that little drop knee. ricochet that play. If we can rewind.

this one more time. This is so good. because if you watch this, he's going to. drop knee. Pause it. When his knee hits. the ground, keep a little bit more right. there. Now, the double team, the whole. point of the drop knee is to get the. double team off. You see the double. team, the guard coming down to hit him. It's to get him off. So, when he comes. off, now he's supposed to ricochet back. to the right, but then the back scoots. out the backside. Still has enough. wherewithal to get off to the left. >> So, he hits the drop knee to make that. guy think he's already blocked and he's. out of it. This is a a faint of some. sort. >> No, the whole reason for it is because.

now they he knows the double team is. And so you do it to the main guy, which. is the post guy. Now the double team guy. comes in. You get lower than him. So now. he can't move you. That's how you hold. your ground. And then you wait for him. to come off cuz he's climbing. He's. climbing to uh Ernest Jones, the. linebacker, and you wait for him to come. off and then you ricochet back off to. make a play. >> That's an insane play right there. >> Insane play. Now, I thought taking a. knee back in the day was bad for Dline. and now it's being weaponized is what. you're saying. >> It's being weaponized. And now there's a. couple more clips we got. And you'll see. they do a good job of taking the center.

I think this is the clip right here. He's going to motion down. So there it. is. There's the fiveman front. This is. how they HANDLE THE RUN GAME. >> There it is. And now we let this thing. run. And then watch him do what he does. to the center. You see that? It he posts. the center. Ricochet pulls him through. Gets him back on the drop knee. So watch. watch him pull the center through right. there. Now there's the drop knee. Gets. back in the gap and is still able to. climb and get in on the tackle. >> So he's an he's an animal. >> Byron Murphy. They they draft him in the. first round out of Texas and they pair.

him with Leonard Williams. We got one. more. Here's not the fiveman front. This. is when they go true nickel. Sixman box. Four up front. Two linebackers. And. again we get another drop knee. Let's. watch this. There it is. Knows the. double team's coming. Get off. Ricochet. Get back in on the play. >> Jesus Christ. >> [ __ ] guy. He's sending like faints in. here and then bang. >> No, I'm down. No, I'm not. I'm gone. How. much does he weigh? Can we get a a. weight name on this guy? >> He's not huge. He's like He's actually a. twitchier guy. He's like a 63, 300 lb. guy. Kind of reminds me I know he's out.

of the league right now of Christian. Wilkins. That's who my comp was of him. when he was coming out. >> I mean, it's unbelievable explosion to. be able to get down that quick, get up. that quick while still not getting. buried by professional offensive. linemen. >> The reason I wanted to show this versus. New England's run game. >> 6' 305. >> There it is. Yeah. Smaller guy. There it. is. >> Smaller guy. 305 pounds, dropping to a. knee, hopping right back up. >> Most nose guards are 350. So when you. see this 300, he's a great pass rusher. Like this guy's a twitchy guy. But the. reason why I wanted to show this New. England's run game is heavy double.

teams. So you're going to see this. double team, and I think the key is if. you can get him moved off the ball, get. low on him and move him off the ball, move Leonard Williams, you can get a. little run game started for New England. >> Okay. So you think uh Murphy good for. what New England does? >> I think he's very good. But I think it's. going to be a problem trying to block. him. And I think if they can find a way. to get low cuz the key is right there. If we take a look at all those ones on. the drop knee, the double team, the. second guy coming in, always hit him in. the shoulder. The key on a double team.

to move him, you got to get low and hit. the hip. See how he's up on the. shoulder? If he can get low, see how low. he is and get the hip. That's how you. move the guy. >> And that's the thing is I I'm watching. these. None of these O linemen are. knocking his dick in the dirt. And. that's what the Patriots have been doing. all year to detackle us. Dick in dirt. and that's how you bury him. And maybe. that's just the Rams MMO. I expect Vable. to have the trenches a little more. ready. >> I mean, what a play. What a move though. How long's this take a knee move been. going on? >> Drop knee's been going on for a while, but this guy's one of the best I've ever.

seen. When I saw that when I was. watching this film, I was like, "Holy. shit.". >> Most guys can't get up like that, Pat. But like people do it, but most guys. can't get up or they take that knee and. they get pushed, you know, two, three. yards into the linebackers. So this is. something that uh is very rare I would. say in USA. >> Absolutely. That's what in this clip in. particular that exact clip right there. because if we watch this here if I stand. up here. >> Yeah. >> So let this run a little bit and right. whenever he gets the ball on the. handoff. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. So right there. This ball's. supposed to hit here. That's why the. double team's coming there. So once he.

comes off, you're supposed to ricochet. back here. But then we talk about what. juiciest cut in football is this back. side backside. A. >> there it is. So now he goes to hit that. juicy cut and still so he ricochets one. way and then gets back off this side. >> This guy's like a whiplash hunter. >> That's the crazy part getting off of it. >> Yeah, >> cuz usually if you can get down there. I've seen big fellas get down there and. just hold on and keep the double team. So now that backer can get over the top. and make the play. When you can do that. and get back up and make the [ __ ]. tackle, that's that's elite. >> I mean, what a beast. He's a How old is.

he? >> He's young. The second year in the. league. >> That was from that uh Texas defense a. couple years back, right, Tone? How many. guys on that defense from a couple years. back? I remember the big bodies were. definitely talked about him being one of. them. >> Yeah, it was him. It was Tandre Sweat. who went to the Titans. That that whole. front for them has been was awesome and. has been awesome in the NFL. >> Yeah, he uh 23 years old that guy. >> Yeah, >> sweet necktats from this photo that I'm. seeing. >> Oh, he's a stud man. >> Sick neckt if that photo is accurate. I. mean, we're talking abs. If you can do a. drop knee like Yeah, I tell you what,

you can do whatever you want, can't you? >> He's a stud. But I do think whoever. performs better on the defensive line is. going to win this game. Let's take a. look at Seattle's run game. Kenneth. Walker finally gets his opportunity to. be the guy. Look at this combo block. Gray Zable, I know we've talked about. him, gets the rookie trenchy this year. Charles Cross paid at left tackle. We. get him moving. Now we get the little. handoff. Look at Okay, so if we rewind. that one more time, right when he gets. >> Sounds like he just got bodied right. there. I I just saw who was blocking who. here. >> Dude, he's getting I mean, he just took.

him nine yards across. That's. incredible. The cut back off of him. It's incredible. >> You're saying what he did was good right. there. Hold on. Who? Good block. >> It's a great block cuz it just gets. >> great block. They just took they just. took the D tackle nine yards. >> and the cut back went right off it. Yeah, that's incredible. That's a double. team, brother. >> I like that. Didn't that way out? But it. appears as if he's This is able, right? >> That's able they pushing him left. >> So is he So he's getting blocked out of. the hole. The Rams guy just say, "You. know what? [ __ ] it. I'm just running. into bodies. Whatever I got to do.". >> So Okay. So it it's funny that you think.

that that but the whole key to offensive. line play in the NFL is horizontal. movement. We're not trying to take guys. 20. This isn't high school football. where we're taking guys 20 yards down. the field. His gap. So, go back to the. very beginning. This defensive tackle's. gap is right there. Right there. Hold. right there. Let's watch where he. finishes. He will be on the other side. of the line. >> Oh, yeah. I know. And look where Zable. ends up at. >> Zable's fine. He's take Yeah, he is. along for the ride, but still part of a.

double team. That's a good double team. He just took him 10 yards. >> I like that. Uh, if they're going to. just get people to go run willy-nilly. like that, I mean, that's a great win. That's a mental [ __ ] as well. >> But the key is Kenneth Walker. Let's. take a look at Kenneth Walker right when. he gets the ball and comes to. >> Where did he go to school? >> Michigan State. Go Green. >> for one year. He was before then. They. didn't use him. Yeah. And then they go. then he goes to Michigan State and he. was unbelievable. He's been unbelievable. for the Seahawks, too. >> Did you hear that? >> Yeah, I am. It's the chant. I can leave, man. >> What's the chant, Foxy? What is it?

>> Go green. >> Go white. >> Thank you, Debbie. Crazy. >> Watch. >> That's crazy. All right, perfect. Look. at this move. Come on now. Come on. >> Look at that move. >> Come on. >> I mean, there's nothing else to say. 48. under. >> Especially how Look how he turns his. shoulders to the sideline to get you. running early. Watch this. Watch this. initial move. >> He gets the linebacker open up. Oh, see. you take off and you're already like out. of bounds. Terrible.

>> There's nothing else to say. I mean that. is ju just let that clip do the talking. It's incredible Walker does. >> Mhm. >> He does. >> Both Michigan State guys, too. >> Leon Bell a little bit there. A little. patience in the back. >> Patience makes makes the extra guy miss. in the backs. That's what the special. ones do. Obviously, you know, a lot of. most backs in the league can run when. it's blocked up well, but when you have. free hitters and you can make them miss, make them look silly like this. This. what James Cooks, that's a great all the. great backs do this, but that's that's I. mean, and it looks like a not a huge.

play. That's a big time run in the NFL. >> Congrats to Kenneth Walker coming back. >> That's huge. That's huge. But again, we. talk about this all the time. I like. this group up front. I like both groups. up front, but they both have had some. guys that haven't played their best in. the playoffs. Anthony Bradford supposed. to get to that linebacker doesn't get. there. Number 75. I sent a clip to. Connor of a pass rush play during the. game. That guy, if they can take. advantage of him, he's the he's the. weakest link on their O line. And then. Will Campbell needs to step up, too. But. again, they don't have edge guys like. Will Campbell seen the last couple of.

weeks. So, the interior defensive line. on both groups is the problem. Now, let's take a look at the Patriots. Interior defensive line starts with. Christian Barmore, starts with Milton. Williams right here. Look at Christian. Barmore on the back side here. First of. all, they're going to slant the line to. the left. There it is. Handling line. movement is key. BUT THERE IS NO. MOVEMENT. OH, [laughter] if if we look. at that group, just watch them. If we. can pause this on contact a little bit. more. Right. Keep a little bit more. Right there. Okay. Look at Milton. Williams. Look at Barmer. Look at him. They're all extending with two hands. No.

movement. That is the key. Defensive. lineman got to play with extension. Boom. STALEMATE. THERE IT IS. >> And then get off the ball AND MAKE A. PLAY. >> THIS Patriots group is as good as. anybody at doing that. >> Buffs Bain filling the gap, too. Holy. [ __ ]. >> Little later in the game, obviously. second half, we got the elements. >> Question. >> Yeah. >> Offensive line like the elements. >> Offensive line like the elements in. terms of pass rush. It's tougher in the. run game because of the footing. So the. pass rush now you've slowed the defense. down. They can't get the get off. But in.

the run game, it probably benefits the. defensive line because you can't get. your footing. Got it. >> And that's why I think this is super. impressive. We got good on good. Barnmore versus Quinn Miners right here. Watch him not give up any ground right. there. Just extend, get off, make the. play. That's one of the best. That's. your first team allpro guard going. against Christian Barmore. He just gets. off, two-hand press, extend, find the. ball, get off, make a play. We got one more clip. Big Tonga. We love.

>> this. >> We love Big Tonga. And by the way, >> weapon is a fullback. >> He's a great fullback, but he's a great. Okay, so he's going against Luke. Watenber, who just got paid at center. Center reaching a front side shade by. himself. Nightmare. Yep. Get pressed. three yards in the back field. >> This defense is a problem, too. >> Fourth quarter, less than seven minutes. left. First and 10. Denver's on New. England's 33. Could be driving. Nope. Let me actually stop you right there. >> Miss field miss field goal on this. drive. >> Unbelievable stuff. I I love watching.

just like freak athletes do freak. athlete [ __ ] and this is one of those. >> And this is and this is an absolute. nightmare block. And again, I don't know. if you guys remember Brandon Mebane. He. was a hell of a noseguard for the. Seattle Seahawks. But this block versus. Brandon Mebane. This block versus any. good nose guard is a it's one of the. hardest blocks in football. >> Well, you talked about the run game in. the in the snow. Not easy for the uh. offensive line. >> Tonga had better get off air. Had the. leverage immediately and then just like. gave him a snow ride.

>> Get 97 right next to him. Williams, he. did the same [ __ ] right to his right. >> This guy's unbelievable. >> Unbelievable. >> Well, and that's the thing. They're. fresh. You know, you don't see Barour on. there. Yeah, you don't. Cuz right there. it's Leonard Taylor, Tonga, and Milton. Williams. They they got Barmore. They. got uh another guy uh Deran, Cory Duran, who's been unbelievable. Like the dudes. they have up front, they rotate in and. out and they're always fresh. >> All right. Well, uh sounds like we got a. great Trenches warfare coming up in the. Super Bowl. >> We sure do. It's going to be fun to.

watch. But again, my prediction, whoever. wins the defensive line, whoever plays. better on the defensive line will win. this game. >> Okay. And who is that? Don't tell us. We'll see you next week with Super. Radio. >> We appreciate you all for allowing us to. do this for a living. Thank you for. spending your W Wednesday here in Super. Bowl season with us. AJ, what's your big. takeaway from today's show? What did you. learn from today? >> I mean, right, just just uh some recency. bias. I feel like obviously the Dline. thing that was great to see, but how. square that Patriots defensive line is. like their shoulders square to the line.

of scrimmage. That's so impressive to me. because then everything behind you is. very clean and there's nowhere to go and. just like boom boom boom just bullets. filling gaps. >> Yeah, it sounds like they're uh. technically sound. That's what they said. about the Indiana defense. That's right. >> Like the Indiana defense is always where. they're supposed to be. Seattle Seahawks. defense doing the same damn thing. Debo, what was your big takeaway from today's. program? >> Just the trenches. I love just getting. schooled up on the trenches, watching it. from usually from zoomed out. So, zooming in and then the edge guys always. get all the love on the Dline and these.

are two of the best interior guys on the. Dline on both sides. So, I'm interested. to watch this match up. >> I like that you're teaching a lot of. people a lot of things here from the. Super Bowl trenches. Uh, Ty, how about. you? What was your big takeaway today? Uh, other than having a little voodoo. doll thing, >> uh, Jimmy Johnson doesn't [ __ ] with the. Hall of Fame anymore. >> [ __ ] I don't think I think a lot of. people are [ __ ]. >> I think he's out permanently. >> He can be won back. I think. >> until he decides Yeah. to go back. But. as of right now, where we stand right. now, he's [ __ ] done with him. >> I don't like that. Fans are already. saying they're done with it.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a bummer. >> Oh, yeah. >> Connor, what you learned today? Anything? >> Uh, my my biggest thing is goodbye. Nathan Chen. Hello, Ilia. whatever the. hell his name is, the quad god. I mean, we got we got the guy again. He's doing. four four rotations and back flips and. front flips and all that cool [ __ ] All. that with all that pizzazz and the way. he looks is awesome. So, I can't wait. for the Olympics. >> Shout out to JJ. Shout out to Tariq. Um, shout out to Jimmy Johnson. >> How about Tony Romo yesterday?

>> Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar calling you. I should call him back. Rumble. >> I should call him back. How about him? Hey, what's going on, man? What do you. got going on? >> Just doing a show, man. What do you mind. if I Yeah, sounds Hey, I'm going to Rio. >> I'm gonna go win that thing. Yeah. All. right, boys. I'll talk to you later, dude. All right. Just such a casual, hey, yeah, I'm gonna go win the Royal. Rumble. I don't think he knew that we. were on necessarily there. >> Probably not. >> Good time to tell the world though he's.

in Royal Rumble. Perfect. Exactly. How. do you stop him? I. >> You don't. >> I think we're probably going to talk. >> with a gun. >> Yeah, >> that's it. I wonder. >> large gun. >> Yeah, a large I could see, you know, Braun Breaker sneaking one in in his. singlet. >> Shoots him in the leg and throws him. over. >> Mames him. >> Yeah. Mames him a little bit. And is. that enough? Is that enough to stop him? Does it have to be between the eyes? >> I don't know. I don't know. That's a. really good question. I have no idea. We'll find out. Saturday 2 o'clock. Eastern. >> Boom. Brock Lesnar is in the Royal.

Rumble. All right. And he's going to win. it, he said. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Easy. >> You think Brock Lesnar's flying all the. way to real? I saw your radio to not win. the Rumble. >> Uh, no. >> How far is that flight? >> What? [ __ ]. >> 22 hours. >> 22. I could see Triple H winning. >> I'll tell you what. >> Is he in? >> That would be a good gimmick, actually. >> Yeah. I I I'm hoping. >> Vince McMahon, you know, whenever he was. running [ __ ] he he uh blew both his. quads running down to fix the Royal. >> Rumble. Yes, he did. He did.

>> I don't know if he ever booked himself. to win the Royal Rumble, but there was a. time there where he was in in charge of. everything and running everything both. on camera and off camera where him. winning the Royal Rumble would have been. right on. >> Oh, yeah. >> for it to happen. >> Was he a first battle hall of famer? >> I don't think he's in the Hall of Fame. >> Really? I do not believe he's in the. Hall of Fame. Wow. >> He also uh didn't allow anybody to say. his name during their Hall of Fame. speeches. >> That was like one of his things. And he. did win the Royal Rumble in 1999. Okay.

Yeah. So, [laughter] that that would. make Yeah, that would make a lot of. sense. Thank you, Nick, for that. information at the back. Yeah, >> me. >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. >> Who's winning? >> Who's winning? >> Me. Who's the last one thrown over? Your. ass. Yeah, that is uh just the thought. of that. 99. >> That's good wrestling, baby. >> Yeah, exactly. >> So, if Triple H was to win it, >> I I would be excited to see where they. head with it, you know. I'd be excited. to see cuz, you know, entertainment. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> And real sport.

>> Yeah, for sure. >> Be your friend. Tell a friend something. nice in my ch. >> We know if The Miz is in there if he's. going to make it. >> They're saying he might win. Yeah, he's. plus 200,000 right now. >> Apparently, they love real world season. whatever that was in Saudi Arabia right. now. It it just came out. >> Good to see you, too. >> Be a hammer down is going to be great. today, huh? >> Always is. [laughter]. >> Be a friend. Tell a friend something. nice. It might change your life. We're. in this thing together. AQ, anything you. say to the team? Great work today,

buddy. >> Hey, football season never disappoints. One more game to go, boys. This is one. of my favorite things to do every single. week. Come here, spend the time with. you, boys. I appreciate the opportunity. >> Let's go have a [ __ ] week next week, huh, boys? >> Yeah, we'll see you at Super Bowl. I. like that a lot. Debbie, great work this. week. >> You too, brother. >> All right. Hey, thank you for battling. >> Yeah. >> Hey, >> snow do. >> made it. >> No, no place I'd rather be. >> Maybe Warner would have been okay this. week. >> Thunderdome did have do some battles or.

>> still battling the [ __ ] was that? >> What was that? Hall of Fame just little. doll. >> I think it actually was. Yeah, >> doll's working. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's a little challenge. >> Look at the doll down there. >> His arms up. >> Entrant number two, by the way. >> That's what I looked. That's what I. looked like whenever I [ __ ] broke my. neck. He was entrone. cold and went. >> your ass. That's exactly. >> that's good bucking. No, >> that's exactly what happened. Me. Who's. getting you? >> Mhm. >> Well, god damn. >> Team on me. Team on three. One, two,

three. Team. Goodbye.