The Pat McAfee Show Live | Tuesday October 21st 2025

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this BA day October 21st 2025. This. program begins right now. >> football. >> It's M two game fall start on me on me. I jumped to start. That's on me. Ladies. and gentlemen, 47year football coach. Uh. our coach BA is here too. Good to see. you, Coach Ba. We appreciate the hell. out of you traveling up here every. single week. Uh the toxic tables here at. Boston Connor and at Tai Schmidt. I see.

the Celtics hat on con man. The NBA tips. off its regular season today. And guess. what? We have Steve Nash joining us. Wow. In about 15 minutes or so. And then. we have a 37 minute and 37 second. conversation with the NBA commissioner. Adam Silver that we recorded earlier. this morning cuz he's in the middle of. traveling for opening tip. There's no. way he knew he was signed up for a. 40-minute conversation with us. It was. basically a state of the NBA. We'll run. that in the third hour, although we will. run clips of that over the next couple. hours. We appreciate him joining us so. much. And then obviously there's a lot.

of ball to talk about last night. Hey, two Monday Night Football matchups. How. you doing? Keep it moving. The. Buccaneers taking on the Lions. What? Let's get a prime time matchup that we. could see maybe in the playoffs. This is. maybe a team uh that maybe goes on a run. and wins the Super Bowl. This is a. Monday Night Football treat. This is a. Monday Night Football joint. Starting at. 7:00, a little bit earlier than usual. That's cuz we got a night cap at 10 p.m. And we'll see how many people survive. that one watching this double header. And it's certainly great. But how about. this Buccaneers Lions game coming down.

to former teammate of ours, nine-year. NFL vet, Darius J. Butler, defensive. coordinator for the Detroit Lions, Kelvin Shep Dog Shepard, leading the. boys with a lot of injuries to a massive. night against one of the most explosive. and electrifying offenses in all of NFL. on prime time. DB, >> absolutely. And Shep dog was getting a. lot of love, which he should be. Just. grit. U you had questions about how they. would respond this team. Losing your. offensive coordinator, losing your. defensive coordinator. Both of those. guys go on to be head coaches. And Shep. Dog did his thing, man. You got a bunch.

of injured guys out there. Author Mlette. stepped up with that unbelievable. interception. Not everybody up here. agrees that it was an interception. I. think it was an interception in the. great play on uh reviews kind of one of. the gamechanging moments in this game. Bucks hung around. It hung around in the. first half. I thought this would still. come down to the wire, but the Lions. ended up getting it done. Jir Gibbs, he. is phenomenal on the offensive side of. the ball. I mean, we got it's kind of a. resurgence of like running backs. We got. obviously Bejian, Jir, Cmac, all these. guys, Jonathan Taylor doing his thing,

but he is unbelievable. Sonic in the. Sonic and Knuckles getting the ball, broke away early, had a big time run, was big time in the air as well as a. receiver, which he does week in and week. out. Montgomery didn't have that big of. an impact, but this guy right here, you. can ride number zero. Jared Goff still. slinging it, taking care of the ball, making plays down the field. St. Brown. broke the game open early with a big. time touchdown. So, the stars showed up. for the Detroit Lions. It was a lot of. talk about who wouldn't be there, but. when these guys showed up at home and. they showed out, we were all kind of.

surprised about the spread going into. this game. Six and a half points. Uh, but they showed us kind of early that uh. why why they put it there and why. they'll be there at the end of the road. >> Yeah. Yeah. Six, seven points was a. spread or so. Six, seven points was Ford. Field. Real homefield advantage. felt. like honestly with what happened to that. Buccaneers offense. It felt like the. defense was hunting and obviously you. just mentioned it there. The. conversation was about who wasn't there. Uh Jack Campbell is awesome. Uh this. guy's great. Whiteside learned about him. last night cuz they showed him this. guy's undrafted last year or whatever. comes in make some massive plays for.

him. Uh there's a bunch of players just. all over the place that Detroit Lion. that we were being uh kind of introduced. to. And on the offensive side, uh Jir. Gibbs is so fast. >> This guy is unbelievable. Yeah, >> the number zero looks so cool, too. Sick. >> Like I I was kind of on the fence about. adding zero into it, and then you see a. guy running 35 miles an hour on Monday. Night Football, and it's like, wait a. minute. I think I like the number zero. Now, let's talk about the Tampa Bay. Buccaneers side of this entire thing. Obviously, we thought it was a big. spread because how much we respect the. Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Mike Evans was.

back. >> Mike Evans gets hurt in the game last. night. They said something about his. collarbone. Uh, he's going to be out. that breaks the streak that has been an. incredible run of a thousand yards. receiving going and going. He breaks his. collarbone, gets a concussion, he. leaves, which is obviously not fun, but. Baker Mayfield playing. This team was. ready to roll, it felt like, for a. playoff push throughout the beginning of. the season. They're getting healthier as. opposed to getting uh, you know, more. decimated with injuries like they were. at the beginning of the year. Coach Ba, obviously you won a Super Bowl down. there. You're still very close to that. place. What are the thoughts on Tampa.

Bay Buccaneers after last night and uh, how do you think they come out of that. game thinking? I think they're all. disappointed that Mike got hurt. You. know, that that streak means so much to. everybody in that organization and and. Mike means so much to the organization. Uh was a hell of a play and he caught it. and then obviously broke his collarbone. But uh you know, for me playing in. Detroit without your right tackle, that's bad news. And uh Aiden Hutchinson. was eating it up. >> He's he's a beast. >> Now then, now you're stuck in what I. call bucknug. You're all blocked up and.

nowhere to go cuz you're chipping with. this guy. You're chipping with that guy. They're double teaming everybody those. other three guys. All right. So, it's. like uh that's bad business. And uh. Aiden Hutchinson was the real deal. >> Uh Tampa Bay has been able to win with. some injuries throughout early in the. year and we're calling them the last. play boys and we thought there was a. chance maybe Tampa Bay does some Baker M. uh maker Baker Mayfield magic towards. the end of this potential game because. that's how they've been. Do you think. they just ran into a really good team? So like uh getting by maybe not possible. like Lions, how do you view them after. last night? This is a team that you know.

we'll talk to in the third hour. He was. out there in Seattle last night. He was. doing a hard time out there. >> Sure. >> He was traveling over. >> I don't think so. I I think he has zero. hours of sleep coming in the season. He. was like, I think the Detroit Lions, two. new coordinators, you know, a lot of new. things. I think they're going to miss. the playoffs is what he said. That was. like his aggressive take. Super duper. take. I think he was even saying it was. a little bit extra in that entire thing. But can you talk about what they've been. able to do with two new coordinators. that maybe uh should get talked about. more or what is a heightened. responsibility that everybody has now. with two new coordinators? What are your.

thoughts on Dan Campbell being able to. get this uh ship still go? >> He obviously got the right guys. You. know, they're they're not missing a beat. on offense. Uh I thought Jared had a. little tough game. Buck's defense kept a. minute for a while and uh but Kelvin. Kelvin uh does a great job with that. defense. >> Shepherdep. losing all your DBs but still being able. to play man. But it wasn't just. traditional man. They were double double. single. >> And with that pass rush for a. quarterback to figure out who the hell's. a single that's hard. M. >> as hard and then when you lose your.

checkdowns because they're chipping and. barely ever getting out. Um it's a bad. recipe. >> Then the money down too. We always talk. about the money down red area. Bucks. were four for 16 on third down. So that. that's not a recipe to win a game. regardless of who you're playing, but. especially a talented team like this. You mentioned it. Defense definitely. kept them in it. Dean got a pick right. before the half to kind of set up that. field goal. So it was only what a. eight-point game I think going into the. half where it felt like it could have. been a 28-point game. Uh but yeah, the. Lions shut that door in the second half.

The. >> Hembo stat here about the Tampa Bay. Buccaneers offense. Baker dropped back. to pass on 83% of his plays yesterday, which is highest in the game as a Bucks. career. Tampa's currently 0 and 10. whenever he drops back at 70% or higher. So Kelvin Shepard literally did exactly. what I assume his game plan was in its. entirety. Got to be able to run the rock. down there. This Detroit Lions team. though special. What What are the What's. the offensive coordinator's name? Uh. Foxy. >> Johnny Morton. Okay, so Johnny Mo and. Shep Dog got the team rolling up there. and MCDC's neck looks like it's bigger. and stronger than it's ever been. I.

think you were even a little bit worried. at the beginning of the season on what. was going to happen. Now you guys are. all the way back to full confidence in. this Detroit Lions team. >> 100%. After week one, I thought it was a. disaster. I thought everything was. saying was correct. New OC was going to. stink, new DC was going to stink, and we. weren't going to be able to recover. All. of that is put to bed now. We're 5-2. We're going to the bye-week. We're going. to get healthier. This team looks. awesome. we can win the Super Bowl. I'm. fired up for it. >> Uh I'm happy for you, Detroit folks. >> Thank you. >> And the refs kind of helped us out last.

night and I appreciate that. >> Thanks for bringing it up. I'm happy you. brought it up because. >> squeaky wheel gets the oil. >> Didn't we hear a lot of Detroit people. saying, "Oh, woe is Detroit." Obviously. in Kansas City, they're going to get. calls over lowly Detroit. Nobody wants. Detroit to win. What did he say after a. second look? Is that what he is that. what Hussy said? Hussie, veteran ref. We. are all fans of Hussie. Now, there was. obviously some situations in both games. last night that we are not fans of and. cannot be happening. But Hussi's been.

around long time. Okay. Hussie good on. the mic, too. This guy very comfortable, very confident. So, whenever he goes. over to MCDC and MCDC says, "We'd like. to challenge the completion of the. catch." You hear Hussie make that. announcement. Okay. So, Hussie says, "Uh, Detroit is challenging the. completion of the catch." And it's like, well, he didn't make a mistake. Like, that's not like a new rep saying that. That is certainly cuz there's options. though. Do you want to challenge the. spot? Do you want to challenge if it was. a catch? What do you want? MCDC says. that clearly to Hussie. So Hussie goes. and looks. He comes back. Yeah, it was a.

catch. Yeah, everybody saw his catch. That was never really in question. Goes. onto the field and then he says this. after getting on the field. >> After a second look, >> it is determined that the receiver was. actually short of the line to get. >> Okay. Hell yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. You hear Foxy and his family going crazy. there. But this is now multiple weeks. where like New York has gotten involved. and did things. Now BA, I think we got. to the bottom of what actually happened. here. So MCDC challenges the completion.

of a catch. Hussie goes takes a look. He. has the ears to New York. They're going. through it all. They say it is a. completion of a catch. He goes back out. there. Bang. Then he's called back over. to the thing. And that's is that uh. replay assist you think at that moment. taking over? How do you What do you. think? What what happened. >> when you challenge the play, the entire. play goes under review. >> All right. So, not just was it a catch, the spot does come in because the entire. Now, you can't throw a flag onto the. field if there was a penalty, but you. can pick one up, but this this to me was.

egregious because it was like a first. down. Oh, wait a minute. >> Wait a minute. I know. I went back and. took a little. >> And when you look at for me on. television, that was way too close to. overturn. I mean, it was like you. couldn't overturn this. No one ever wins. a spot challenge when you, hey, I'm. challenging a spot, then you lose. >> Yeah. Especially if it's like inches. Now, the only thing they seemingly did. have, which I appreciate, is a camera. right down the line. Was that the pylon. you think that was on the sideline.

there? Or is that a camera that's just. sitting there? How did they get it right. down the line? Seemingly, if we could. have this for every game, let's. certainly do that. But to your point, BA, it's like his fingernails are there. or what is not there? Now granted, I. would like to let it be known. And as a. person that picked uh the Lions in my. bet, as I was watching that and I heard. him say, "I didn't complete the catch,". I'm like, "No, D. I don't think he I. don't think he made it. This is the. first time we got a camera right down. the damn line there." Uh, so things. seemingly going to Detroit Lions way.

Even got New York looking after him. >> I'm just happy they're getting it right. >> Fox. Oh, that's all you refight. looks if you need to. Just get it right. That's all. >> Okay. So, after a second look, if that. was uh for the Chiefs, let's say, I. wonder what the story lines would be. this morning if there was a second look. So, let's just make sure we document. that they did it for the Detroit Lions, the team that I think we all can agree. on that the NFL has not wanted to win. the most over the last 40 years. Correct. Okay. Them and the Browns. >> Yes.

>> They're kind of. >> There's a reason we say Detroit verse. everybody, and it's usually because. everyone's against us. >> Okay. We'll also toss the Raiders in. there, but. >> Yeah. NFL's always hated the Raiders. Allegedly. >> Yeah. Allegedly. Alleged. All these. things are alleged. common theme amongst. those teams. >> They stink. Is that what you're saying? >> I don't want to be the one to say it, but yeah. Thank you for saying it. >> The ste the teams that stink always. think the NFL is out to get them. I. understand. And now, welcome to a new. world, Detroit. You're now the Chiefs. You're getting calls. Wow. Detroit must. be nice. >> It's a lot better on this side, boys. It.

feels pretty good. Now, on that note, we. would not like to hear from your fans. ever again about any other team maybe. getting special treatment because they. dropped a took a second look on us on a. prime time game. Now, let's go to the. second game of the night. Okay, there. was another ref situation that happened. We'll certainly get to in a moment about. a player ref going over there and. protecting the money, protecting the guy. that is maybe on top of everything. This. Seattle Seahawks team, good. This. Houston Texans team, bad game, lot of. flags, tough to stay up for. Debbut, you. watched the game. I tried this morning.

when I woke up. >> I tried. >> Sure. Even last night. >> I tried my absolute best to watch this. Yeah. Last night I tried last night. I'm. old. >> Put me to bed. Okay. I go to sleep. >> This morning I wake up early. Okay. I. wake up early. >> Mhm. >> Catch up on all the stuff from the night. before. You know that old Skip Bis. commercial that they had for Fox Sports. One where he woke up early. He was on. his bike and he had all his TVs catching. up to everything. Okay. I'm not at that. stage yet, >> but you're close. I'm I am about to get. there. You know, I'm living these things.

that are happening the night before the. next morning. It's going crazy. I. couldn't make it through this one. I. just couldn't do it. The the enhanced. stats on this. 22 accepted penalties. Okay. Five turnovers, four for 29 on. third down, and it ended at 1:30 a.m. Uh, obviously there was some situational. awareness that took, but there was just. a lot of things that happened in that. game. Tough to watch. So, I'd like to. let the Seattle Seahawks fans know that. my East Coast buys did me in in a game. that you guys dominated and made another. team look very bad and maybe even made.

the the whole ref operation be bad. I. didn't watch it in its entirety. Just. know massive respect for what you guys. got going on. Obviously, watch the. highlights, watch a 30-minute recap of. it all. Didn't get to see every single. snap, but this Seahawks team very good. McDonald very good. And this wide. receiver, okay, Jackson Smith and Jigba, what did he have at the Rose Bowl? What? >> 15 catches for 347 yards. >> We should have known then, I guess. What. we're knowing now, this this is uh this.

is a one once in a lifetime type. operation happening with Jackson Smith. and Jigglin Darnold right now. >> Yeah. In Ohio State, you know, they've. kind of been known as one of the wide. receiver used. Then probably LSU. And. everybody in that Ohio State uh kind of. family has always said, "Hey, this guy. has been the one. and he's the one. that's kind of the cream of the crop and. he's been unbelievable. He's been the. best receiver in football uh this. season. His connection with Sam Darnold, there were questions about Sam Darner. kind of a one hit wonder in Minnesota. Would it work in Seattle moving on from. Gino and he's been tremendous in this.

Clint Kubak offense came into this game. leading the league and uh play action. passes and it's some numbers I don't. know if we have it the numbers with him. throwing specifically to JSN that are. unbelievable, but he he broke the game. open. They jumped out to a 140 lead. against the Houston Texans. Here we go. Right here. Sam Donnell throwing to. Jackson Smith in Jigba this season. 14. explosive. That's first. 36 first downs, 819 yards, 41.3 EPA. We all know what. that means. But yeah, leading the league. and all those numbers. We can turn on.

the tape. I don't care what you know or. don't know about football. You know 11. is special. He's been special. And that. offense, just Sam Darno how he's. operating that offense in general. I. only expect him to continue to get. better. We'll see how they use those uh. those backs. The Houston defense, Houston defense is unbelievable. And. they scored a touchdown. Will Anderson. had a strip sack that ended up being a. touchdown. That Houston defense. unbelievable. Stingley Jr. had a pick. late, but the offense, and I got to ask. BA here, I don't know what the hell is. going on with the offense. We all saw CJ.

Strad and kind of Bobby Slowick take the. NFL by storm, but since then, it's just. been a [ __ ] show. And I I was battling. I was battling stay up, but uh I want to. say early in that fourth quarter. Yep. I. said, "Okay, I know how this one's going. to end." And I shut it down just like. the Seattle defense has. Uh and CJ. Strider has struggled against Mike. McDonald every time he faced him, I. believe, 0 and3 now against this. defense. But they're tremendous on the. front end and then the back end as well. But uh BA, what what are you seeing from. this Houston offense? >> Yeah, I mean, ever since the rookie year. when he was fantastic and uh then they.

changed coordinators. They get rid of. Larry Tonselo. They get rid of Mixon. That's a lot. You start not replacing. those guys with top tier players, especially your left tackle. >> and he's the sacks are coming, the. pressures are coming. Uh that sophomore. slump has turned into a junior slump. >> and don't know what happened between. Bobby Slick and everybody but they were. rolling. >> and then all of a sudden boom and they. changed coordinators, but uh it's it's. hard to watch that offense right now. >> Yeah. Yes. That was the main reason.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's like the Seattle. Seahawks defense might be a part of it. Obviously, they're a very good defense. and we got massive respect for him. But. just CJ Strad, I think we might have. been his loudest fans, biggest fans for. his rookie year. Although everybody was. behind him, but we were very loud. because once we saw him play football in. college one time, we're like, "This is. the one. This is the one." We were very. loud about that. So, we felt like uh. classic journalist. We felt obligated to. make sure everybody knew that what we. thought was right, you know? So, we. started going big big big big on that. Then he has that rookie campaign that he. had and it's like this guy is actually.

the one. We're the smartest people on. earth. We should be we should be. consulting people on who's the right. people to take and who's the right. person to lead your team. And then all. of a sudden last year happens a lot of. injuries, a lot of change. Then this. year starts happening. It's like wait a. minute, what what how do we how do we go. from this place where the Houston Texans. were dominating the AFC South and it was. going to happen for the next 10 years to. now here we are thinking, >> man, that was that was tough to watch as. a football team. And I don't know how we. got here legit. We liked the Mo as a.

coach, right? >> Yeah. >> We like Cacerio as the GM, right? And. you talk about some of the moves that. have been made. It's like maybe he. thought higher of some people that he. had on the team than they actually had. and or maybe it's just not working out. on I don't I don't know. This Houston. Texans team is nowhere near what we. thought they were going to be. JJ Watt. thought he was going to be able to come. on the show every week and talk [ __ ]. about the Houston Texans for the next 10. years. Certainly, that is exactly what. he thought. Nico gets hurt uh last. night. He's obviously an incredible. talent, but I don't know what happened. to the Houston Texans. This is kind of. befuddling. I I think is the proper word. to kind of use it. But maybe the Seattle.

Seahawks in prime time were just that. damn good. We also got to hold that into. consideration. >> And like the offensive line thing, like. so many people on the internet are. blaming Cacerio like this guy needs help. on the outside. This guy needs a better. O line. Like Tonsel is one of those. trades. You might not know for a couple. years whether or not that's great, but. it's not as if Washington's undefeated. and they're playing really well. And. then when you think about the guys he. did get on the outside, he drafted two. wide receivers, both who were definitely. up there when you know considering what. people thought they were going to be, the two Iowa State guys. And then.

Christian Kirk and Christian Kirk got. released. Cacerio made a call said, "No, no, no. We're going to give you a pick. for Christian Kirk and that's how they. got him." So it's not as if Cacerio is. to blame him. It's more so just like the. first maybe not first case study but we. talk about like how good Josh Allen got. you know going over through the years. like he is the guy that everyone. emulates as in like hey if your rookie. quarterback isn't great he could still. be great look look at Josh Allen and CJ. Strad at least for me is the first like. hey if your quarterback his rookie year.

is good don't you know hang your hat on. him because he might slowly but surely. look worse and we're talking about the. old line but then we're running clips. and he's got a clean pocket and he's. throwing balls that aren't typically CJ. Stra balls like the the one down the. sideline when it was 2713 or 2712 with. like 6 minutes left right there that's a. clean pocket and he throws a pretty good. ball and then the defense is just a. great play and then you look at the the. touchdown or the attempt on the goal. line too and he throws a pass that in.

years past even maybe his rookie year he. makes he makes that throw and it gets. deflected. It's just he's just not. playing as well. And maybe there is a. real regression that happened with him, but I don't know [ __ ] about that cuz. like in an NFL building, I'm not sure. what quarterbacks do when they're great. rookies and then continue to get better. >> Yeah, Jaden Daniels, I guess, would be. the next person that we're going to. continue to monitor feels like him and. Cliff Kingsbury still got it. But once. again, that's the same OC. They get rid. of Bobby Slowick after having all the. success. Now, are they going to be able. to find that magic back for CJ Stroud? We all hope so, obviously. and uh you.

know cuz it's the Indianapolis Colts. division now, but we'd like the Houston. Texans to not be ass because we love. that city and obviously what they have. going on. Uh there was a situation in. that game before we wrap this up and. pivot to the NBA. Um Nate Jones, I. believe is his name, the official from. last night that potentially saved. Jackson Smith and Jigba and the Seattle. Seahawks from getting into an allout. brawl with the Miko Ryan who's Houston. Texans on the sideline while we're. sitting on the bench. He comes flying. in. Whoa, whoa, whoa, boys. I got. stripes on. Can you hear me? Can you. hear me? Can you hear me? Everybody.

relax. Okay. Always going to be hitting. me. Always. Now, this is like whenever. you're exiting in an airplane, you know, do you go uh uh do you go front towards. or do you go back towards? >> Good decision, >> you know. And he made the decision here. He's going front towards. Okay. He's. getting in there, you know, uh maybe. make sure he can protect it. I think if. he would have turned that thing and did. this one, too. I think we have the same. outcome. But I appreciate him going. right into uh like kind of a nurturing. uh situation. This guy's got no helmet. He's on the other team sideline. Holy. [ __ ] this could escalate very quickly. He's an ex player. Shout out to him. Ex. player is a ref. We appreciate the hell.

out of him getting in there and saving a. good situation. That's good refing. Okay, we got a spot like that cuz there. is some ass reffing happening out there. And him former player being a ref uh. made us revisit this thought. The NFL. needs to just create an academy of some. sort for ex players to be able to become. officials. So in the NFL they have uh in. the NFL PA they have something called. the broadcast boot camp. Okay. Where uh. guys that are in the NFL are allowed to. apply and then they go to this broadcast. boot camp and then there's network. executives from every single different.

network and you basically get to learn. what a potential job could be. You also. get to showcase if you could be good in. front of them. Now I got turned down to. that thing three times. I think I'm the. only person on TV out of the NFL that. did not go through the broadcast boot. camp. Never never was allowed in. Thank. you so much. I appreciate you. Thank god. I didn't get invited. Now on that note, it has helped out a lot of ex players. It has given a lot of ex players a lot. of incredible opportunities. We need to. do something similar for officiating and. I think the NFL could do um you know big. babyface play here if they get ex NFL.

players to find like a purpose now and. they're probably going to be good. But. also we can get a full-time ref setup. and I'm not saying all refs have to be. players. But I think we should try to. get a little funnel of people that. understand the game that aren't soft. that aren't going to you know miss. context of plays and stuff. And I think. we can kind of set precedent for other. leagues to do this with their players as. well. You know, it just feels like it's. an easy thing to do, but what do I know? You know, I I don't know. You could. probably get these guys to move to a. place, go to the academy, do year- round. training, have them go to spring. practice, have them go to training camp,

have them do all that [ __ ] and then. obviously once they get to the level in. which you're comfortable with them, you. put them in, have them do some college. games, have them do some preseason. games, have them do practices, do this. entire thing. I think you can set up. like a a feeding ground almost for ex. players to give back to the game and. hopefully make our game better. But what. the [ __ ] do I know? Honestly, BA, I I. don't know. I assume you've been talking. about the refs for a long time. >> We brought this idea up a long time ago. and it comes back to the union. They got. to join the union to ever get on the. field. >> The ref's union. >> The ref's union. And uh the refs union.

run the whole thing. >> Sam, hopefully that contract comes up. sooner and we can break it. Okay. And uh. hopefully we can get this in place so. that we can place some with quality. people rather than the scabs. >> Well, also May 2026, I guess, is the NFL. ref uh deal is up. So, if you have any. ideas, we'll certainly do that. We. appreciate all the refs of the past that. have certainly laid the groundwork to. get us to where we are. Refs are a very. important part of the game. Need to be. full-time. And also, we need better. access for players to get in there and. get back together. >> Tough job. >> Tough job. And so, if a guy wants to do. it, >> yeah,

>> we should allow him to potentially want. to do Not a lot of people want to be. coaches. A lot of time, brother. Not a. lot of people in earth want to be refs, but if people want to, there should be. an easier way to kind of get them in. there and maybe we got another. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Nate Jones of the future that saves the. situation happening after the game. Now, let's talk about the NBA. Huge day for. the NBA. Congrats to them. >> Stars tonight on NBC at 7:30. You got. Houston at Oklahoma City. And then at. 10:00, you got the Warriors at the. Lakers. >> Now, the Lakers are without LeBron for a.

little bit because he's got a sciatica. Joining us now, co-host of the Mind the. Game Podcast and also senior adviser, I. believe, for the Phoenix Sun, NMBA Hall. of Famer, multiple time MVP, 18-year. vet, ladies and gentlemen, Canadian. Steve Nash. >> What's up, everybody? >> Hey, sorry you had to catch the tail end. of me saying that we need full-time refs. over here. Do you have any answers for. the NFL? We need to figure it out. >> Well, I thought the front toward or back. toward was an important topic this. morning. Like that's a that's a tricky.

area of debate here. Like I'm not, you. know, I don't know like what I would. choose. Tough. >> So, have you ever on a sideline maybe on. a bench cuz things are tight there? You. know, on your guys' NBA benches, they're. tight. Have you ever had to do the oops, excuse me, uh, excuse me, excuse me. You. ever have to do that? Did you do butt. down? Did you do face down? What was. your move, Steve? I don't know what's. Canadian. >> I tried to go neutral, you know, neutral. right between, not front or back. Just. how can I, you know, weave my way. through here? Definitely. Yeah. Front, back. It's kind of awkward. >> Get thin. Get thin. Get thin. I. understand what you're saying. Uh,

congrats on another season starting. You're also doing coverage for Amazon, I. believe. Let's go. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Excited. >> Yeah. What What does that entail? What. does that mean? And, uh, what has been. happening to lead up to this moment to. launch off with Amazon? >> Yep. So, Amazon Prime's NBA coverage. starts Friday night. Um, we have the. Celtics and the Knicks, Lakers, T-Wolves. will be in studio uh, from LA. Uh the. great Taylor Rooks, my buddy Dirk. Noitzky, Blake Griffin, Yonis Haslam, and myself will be in studio for those.

two games, pregame, halftime, postgame. Uh great crew, super fun to work with. Had rehearsals, we've had seminars, we've done a little bit of uh prep, and. uh everyone's just excited. For me, it's. fun because we get to hang, you know, like just watching games together, talking about the game, being together. Great chemistry. I think we can really. develop a fun show. And uh I'm excited. to kind of get into your world a little. bit, Pat. >> Yeah. Well, you've been in our world and. uh we know that if you were to get into. anything that we do, you will dominate. it. We watch you do a lot of things in. here and you were great at all of them, including house and wine. I mean, that.

was uh that was an incredible feat as. well. But speaking of our world, the. media world, you know, for us, it feels. like we're back in the locker room here. Like I I think if you were to ask Debbut. or AJ or any of the guys that come. through this show, Coach McCarthy BA. even a little bit, we have like a sense. of community. We all love ball. When. they say retired players, you know, kind. of transition into real life, they miss. that feeling. We have that. And I'm. excited for you to have that. But do you. also appreciate the fact that the NBA. right now has so many of the exgoats? I. mean, yourself included now being a part. of being a part of the coverage. That's.

good for the game ultimately. Do you. agree with that? >> I think it's great. You know, I think. people are going to be a little. uncomfortable to start because now all. of a sudden we have, you know, we have. two new um two new rights um holders in. Amazon and NBC. We got obviously a uh. ABC and ESPN. So, there's going to be. way more games than ever on national TV, which I think is positive. You're going. to have way more talent, former players. I think it's going to be a really. interesting landscape, but it's going to. take a minute for people to kind of. change their habits and know what nights. are we on Prime, what nights are we on.

ESPN, what nights are we on NBC, but. overall, it's going to be a big win when. everyone kind of figures it out and. realizes we got a lot of great ex. players talking about the game, sharing. their experiences, and highlighting what. a great league it is right now. >> A lot of games. Uh, we had a full. conversation with Adam Silver that we'll. be airing in about an hour and a half or. so earlier this morning and just talking. about negotiating and kind of. transitioning into this new media rights. deal with streaming and social and. obviously still having linear games. I. think it's great for the NBA, also great. for the NBA. I think the style of play, what have you seen by the style of play.

seemingly last year that's going to. carry into this year that maybe is. different than five years ago or 10. years ago if you had to get if you had. to describe it? >> Yeah, for sure. You know, I think we we. we have this kind of debate. I think um. you know start of last year ratings were. down. People were complaining about too. many threes. Um. you know by the end of the year the. ratings have never been higher. The. playoffs were exceptional. You know we. had as everyone complained no offense to. your home team but there was two two you. know smaller market teams. >> It was unbelievable basketball, unbelievable series. Uh the whole entire.

playoffs just had an incredible. viewership. I think the game's in an. incredible place. I think you do see. some teams, some of the poorer teams. perhaps, they take a lot of threes, they. take a lot of poor threes where they. don't touch the paint, they don't create. good looks because the variance of. shooting threes. >> Oh, no. Poor. That's what he's talking. about. the way they play the game, the way they. defend together, the way they move the. ball, touch the paint, get threes, you. know, I think that's what's, you know, makes this game so beautiful because. it's kind of become instead of like.

being super predictable, dribble down, throw it in the post, run a set, now. it's kind of more jazz. We're reading, reacting, we're trying to create knock. the first domino down, swing the ball, someone attacks a close out now. So now. we're playing basketball together and. out of read and react rather than it's. just going into the post to this guy and. you know nine guys are standing and. looking at them. So, I think the game's. in a great pace. Great place with the. pace, the space. The good teams are. defending together on a string because. you have to defend more space now, right? Guys are shooting from farther.

out. We're playing quicker in. transition. So, you got to get back. You. got to cover guys in a lot more space, makes rotations longer. Teams are making. decisions. Should they get in the gaps, make take away the paint? Then that. opens up the backline rotations. So, I. love the evolution of the game. I love. where it's going. I think it's a lot of. fun to see how coaches and teams and. players continually adapt to try to get. an advantage. Yeah, I love listening to. you talk about basketball, brother. I. think you know it a little bit. Yeah, you should maybe uh you should maybe. stick to it. I think that's something. I'm ba soccer player though too, right? Good soccer player.

>> Love me some soccer. Growing up, my dad. my mom and dad are from the UK. Grew up. playing soccer. Uh still still watch a. ton of soccer. Still play once a week. I. know you got some soccer skills, Pat. >> Yeah, you turned us down for TST. Remember who's supposed to be on You're. supposed to be on a You're supposed to. be on concave, Steve. You're supposed to. be on. >> Five kids, Pat. Five kids. I can't just. fly across the country. Uh, you know, hey, for a little soccer tourney, >> not just good at soccer and basketball. 5K. delivery man. Okay. Uh, Debb has a.

question for you. >> Hey, Steve. The uh NBA landscape has. kind of changed now. Not as many uh. super teams as we would call it. Couple. with a couple stars like the Lakers, the. Mavs. But what was it like for you? I. know as a player you had to do it, especially those Suns Day with Stat and. the Matrix, those superstars. But like. you were head coach of the Brooklyn Nets. when they had James Harden, Kevin. Durant, and Kyrie Irving. What's the. toughest challenge when it comes to. managing like multiple, I guess, alphas. on the same squad? >> Well, clearly, you know, when players.

are they built, you know, there's ego is. good and bad, right? And uh they you. need an ego to get to the top, but you. need to obvious have it in balance. when. you have three guys that have made it to. the top that demand a lot of it from. themselves. Yeah, at times it can be. difficult. Uh you expect that though. But I think our biggest problem in. Brooklyn and is why the game is changing. a little bit is that we were always. injured. You know, of our three stars, they played 16 games together in over. two years. So I think because of. situations like that, we're seeing the. league go away from three stars and go.

to more depth. like getting guys six, seven, eight, nine who can make threes, defend their position or multiple. positions, can make a play when the, you. know, in the when they get a close out, they can drive the ball and make the. next pass. So, for me, I think the the. three star thing, if you don't grow it. at home through the draft, um, and build. your team that way. I think teams are a. lot more reluctant to try to go pick off. three free agent superstars because you. need depth and if one gets injured, you. know, everyone else on your roster is is. is such a, you know, don't want to be.

mean, but uh is is a way down in. quality. So now you got guys stepping up. having to play roles maybe they're not. necessarily able to do. So it can put a. lot of strain on the team. So I think. we're seeing a lot of teams, you saw it. in the playoffs, you saw how deep uh the. Pacers went. Uh shout out to Rick Carile. and Lloyd Pierce. I think. >> they they they gave guys an opportunity. to develop and play that maybe a lot of. coaches wouldn't have given that much. rope to. And in the end of the day, he. those guys took him to game seven and. they had a chance to win, especially if.

Tyrese didn't get hurt. So, growing your. your depth, developing players, getting. a deeper bench has become really much. more important nowadays than trying to. pick off three stars. >> So, it's a team sport. That's crazy. The. hell? >> I didn't know that. I didn't know. basketball was a team sport. I thought. >> we we may have forgot for a moment, but. it's it's back to being a team sport. >> Okay. Okay. I'm happy we all did forget. that for a moment because it felt like. that whenever it was being talked about. and maybe even watching it. But to your. point, we went deep on the roster and. the New York Knicks just refused to do. so for so long. So back toback years, we. just kind of ran them out of the entire.

play. That's basically what we did. I. mean, we ran you guys out of the gym. >> Got Tibs fired. >> That's fire. >> Didn't play his bench. >> Now Tibs, great work over there. >> That's a tough place to coach. >> Helping out Boston now. >> Yeah, especially Exactly. So tough stuff. over there. But. >> Eastern Conference finals, right? >> Yeah. >> New York Knicks and they fire him. >> Yeah. But Pacers win the big one. >> Yeah. Big bad Tyrese Hallebertton's how. laying out there. He's doing some. gardening in Madison Square Garden, brother. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah. And also it does make sense. especially for just sports in general.

Like, okay, this guy's good but not. great. So, let's get out of here because. we might be ass. But it's better than. where we are now in the Eastern. Conference Finals. The you talked about. uh Tyrese getting hurt in game seven. Let's just make sure we understand. whenever we're on a microphone talking. about stuff. We talk about facts. If. Tyrese wouldn't have got hurt, he had 45. points that night. It's going to be a. triple double and the Pacers were going. to win the title and Tyrese goes down as. one of the greatest players in the. history of basketball because of playoff. run. Just so you know, Steve, we saw. what was going to happen. Okay, just as.

you know, on that note about talking. about games and players, go ahead, Con. man. >> Yeah, Steve loved how you said. basketball's like jazz. My goat Michael. Scott views the game the same way. Um, when you're commentating for these. games, you know, during the pre-show, the one, you know, we all know is the. TNT show. And I mean, we see it Shaq and. Chuck do not hold back. They will bury. anybody and anybody to their face and. also will admit when they're wrong. Have. you thought about that? How you're going. to approach talking about these.

superstars, most of whom, you know, you've worked with and you have been. one, um, in the NBA when you were. playing. like how do you kind of. approach that aspect of it when Kevin. Durant or James Harden or Kyrie Irving. who you know they gave great answers. about the Brook Brooklyn Nets debacle on. starting five but h have you really. thought about how you're going to talk. about those types of players when things. aren't going too well for him. >> I'm going to kill him. honestly you know like you brought up uh.

Chuck and and Shaq and I mean I think. the biggest thing you guys would know. this you got to be yourself I think on. TV And the audience is only going to. want to hear from you if they feel like. you're authentic. So, we're going to all. have to find our voice, find that. chemistry. You know, that show has been. gold. It's been entertainment. You know, for us, you know, we're going to. probably take a slightly different. direction just because of the. personalities. You know, I think, you. know, maybe part of us would be more. analytical, you know, breaking down the. game a little more. Uh, but like UD, Udonis has them. He is a straight. shooter. You know, he's going to he's. going to give it to you exactly how he.

sees it. Um, you know, BG, obviously. Blake Griffin, a super smart player, but. also super funny. So, you know, Dirk, uh, barely speaks English, so I will. figure it out. You know, we'll figure it. out as we go. >> Good to talk, man. Just the whole time. That'd be incredible. Can you speak. German? >> Uh, I know a couple cuss words. That's. about it. So, >> beer. Okay, we know that one. >> One big one big beer, please. Um, let's. see. Uh, donka, >> of course.

>> That means thank you. Dark answer. That's anytime you get a non. >> English. >> Who? >> Voss. >> This man was born in Germany. >> What is this? >> Voss. >> Mhm. >> Close enough. >> My dad speaks German. >> Yeah. I think that's Yeah. >> Nailed it. See? >> What's No, >> I think Yeah. Nine. >> Ah. >> Nine is no. I think as we're getting. through. Sorry, Steve. Do this on your. show. They're going to love that. Now, uh, we are very pumped for you to be on. television cuz I think you're going to. be fair, but also the way you talk about.

the game is different than just like. branding and [ __ ] like that. You. actually talk about some substance, which leads to this. Go ahead, Ty. >> Yeah, Steve, as a guy who is from Canada. and then, you know, played in the United. States in college and then obviously in. the NBA. When you look at guys like. Webby and I guess SGA to some degree too. and like much, you know, similar to you, he played at Kentucky so he kind of gets. it. But are you surprised that we're. having as many of these international. guys come in and kind of just take over. the league right away? It doesn't seem. like I mean I feel like when I was.

watching a long time ago like there was. a period of time there where it was kind. of you and Durk carrying that. international torch. Yeah. Ya. Exactly. But I mean he was you know not sustained. like Steve and and Durk and it seems. like several of these guys are you know. I mean what what do we have five. international players in the top 10 of. the NBA right now? like does that. surprise you uh how good these guys are. and how quickly they're this good in. their careers? >> Give you your uh to further your point,

I think it's the last seven MVPs have. been international players. So, it's um. it's a global game. I think that's the. bottom line. As the game's grown around. the world, the league's become more. popular. The league inspires the next. generation. And then we also got to take. our hat off to places around the world. that develop talent. you know, like the. European countries do an incredible job. teaching guys the game of basketball. Um, you know, I think we do more of a. volume job. We got a lot of people. playing. Obviously, there's some great. coaches, but, uh, AA basketball,

take it or leave it some of it. You. know, it's not all great. Whereas, they. have a club system in Europe that really. hones in on fundamentals. It's not all. just roll the balls out and play. Now, I. don't want to be um unkind to all those. great coaches there are across the. country, but the system doesn't allow. for as much coaching as it does playing. and marketing players to get college. scholarships or NIL deals or whatever it. may be or to or to fund an AA program. So, the system's just set up different. So, I think that's one of the factors.

Um, lot of talent in the United States, a lot of people love the game, a lot of. great coaches, but the system, I don't. think, is as efficient as a small club. in Slovenia or Croatia or Spain that's. really honing in on details, teaching. the game, and giving guys an opportunity. to really develop. >> They're all smacking the wood, huh? Is. that what you're saying? They're. smacking the wood, boppinging a wood, >> getting down, smacking the wood, playing. D. >> Yeah, they're bopping that wood there. >> Yeah, bopping wood. You guys love. boppinging wood in basketball, don't. you? That's kind of a part of it. Especially international hooping. I'm. going to stay out of that one. But uh.

that was good. >> I'm talking about, you know, fundamentally sound bopping wood. >> Bopping the wood. You know what I mean? You know what I'm talking about. That's. what you're saying these guys are doing. Bopping wood all the time. Not just some. of the time. You know, there's a. different level of boopping at different. places. And that type of fundamentally. strong bop is better than just half ass. boppinging all the time. >> Celtics preach you got to eat wood if. you want to win games. >> Yeah. Missoula's all about not just. bopping, but we're eating. Exactly. We're getting out there. It's a. >> It's about the wood, bro. You know that,

Steve. Basketball. All about the wood. >> Learn something new every day. >> You're the expert. You get on TV. We. shouldn't be teaching you that this is a. wood thing. >> I'm not I stay out of that that uh that. wood zone. >> It's a good play. >> The don't play anymore. >> Yeah. You used to bop the wood. So good. I remember. Yeah. You used to be all. over that wood dancing on the wood. You. know what I mean? He dancing on the. wood. Dancing on wood. Yeah. He looks so. smooth. Oh yeah. Yeah. You remember. every once in. >> a while? Get a cool little Steve Nash. kick of balls on wood. Now, now we got.

balls on wood. >> You know what I mean? That that is. that's what we're here for. All right, Steve. Uh, Coach Ba, our coach has a. question for you. >> Yeah, Steve. I'm being a big Suns fan. myself. Uh, being out in the desert for. 5 years. What's it look like for our. Suns this year? >> Good question. >> Well, it's a great question, coach. Um, you know, I think the first thing we. want we would say is it's a cultural. reset. You know, they swung for the. fences the last few years. uh didn't. really, you know, get far in the. playoffs, decided to kind of reset the.

organization. So, they have a rookie. coach, uh they have a rookie GM, and. trying to really just create an. environment where players feel like they. can get better, they can. um develop an identity, uh and also. just, you know, without assets. You. know, the Suns don't have a their own. draft pick for years right now. You got. to develop some players in house and you. got to develop a style of play and try. to be better than the sum of your part. So, it's been really exciting to see. Jordan not uh our our our first first. year coach here. He's created an.

environment where all the players are. working hard. They're competing. They're. combative, but they feel like they're. they have an opportunity and a path to. get better. So, that's all you can do at. this stage of or arc of development. And. I think for the Suns right now, you're. they're controlling the controllables. And I think win, lose, or draw, it's. going to be a team you're going to be. proud of watching. And they're going to. surprise you a little bit because. they're going to be super competitive. They're going to share the ball. They're. going to play hard and I think the. valley will really enjoy watching them. play. >> I love that city over there. I love that. city over there. >> So nice. >> That place is so beautiful.

>> I mean the arena. >> the arena is so beautiful. I mean. everything about that place is awesome. I hope both the football team and. basketball team get very good before my. wife and I and family move out there. That is what we are that is what we were. hoping for. Uh before we let you go and. we appreciate you stopping by. Uh I'm. going to put you on a spot here. Okay. I'm put you on a spot. TV. Wow. We're. doing it. Um, Rushmore on X dropped this. morning, our fourth episode. And this. week was dunkers and Shaquille O'Neal, Reggie Miller, Ari Emanuel, and Ben.

Persky put together their Rushmore of. dunkers. Each person individually put. together their top four dunkers of all. time to start the conversation. Then. they have to come together to get a. final four. Here's Reggie Miller's. Rushmore of dunkers. first thoughts as. you look at this. Any obvious omissions. that you would put in there and uh how. do you feel about the four that Reggie. brought into the convo? >> I actually really like that. Um I would. have had Vince, MJ, and Dominique in.

there. Uh Zack though, super worthy. I. mean, crazy speed off the floor. Um. incredible dunker. I I like Reggie's. Rushmore. What do you think? >> Yeah, I don't know. I'm not I'm not the. person that should be given any LeBron. Okay, I'm going to say LeBron obviously. can can has some of the biggest ones. He's very strong. >> Sean Camp. >> Um. >> yeah, he nasty. >> I think Kenyan Martin's name was. mentioned. >> Power dunker. I. >> mean Shaq Shaq himself. >> Shaquille O'Neal is on the show and I'm.

not sure you know how that whole. conversation went with him, especially. Reggie going you've broke how many. backboards? Don't care. Okay, you don't. make my list. We got the human highlight. reel here, brother. uh if you want. So, who would have been your fourth? You you. don't have to give a fourth. Actually, you're not on the show. Don't feel. obligated. >> Yeah, that's a good that's a good. question. I didn't do my prep work on. the Rushmore dunkers this morning, but. uh I I mean, Zach's great. LeBron's a. great call. LeBron like in transition. was, you know, just a train. Like, there. was no getting back that back in the. bottle. You're just getting dunked on.

So, that's amazing. It kind of dunking's. different, right? Like it's a mix of. things. Like Shaq Sha can dunk on the. whole team, but he's also bigger than. the whole team. So you have sometimes. it's like less impressive even though he. just did something that no one else can. do. Whereas like Zack. >> Lavine Bango. >> Yeah. Spud Webb. So I think it's like, you know, Nate Robinson, like it. depends. You're talking in-game dunkers. You're talking guys that like surprise. you. You're talking, you know, maybe we. value bigs like Shaq who were. unbelievable just getting offensive. rebounds and punching on someone. So, I.

I also give a little shout in-game. dunker to my guy Amari. Amari. Starttomire, my pick and roll partner. He definitely caught some bodies when we. played together. Incredible hands, incredible feet, could take off and uh. what I mean, what a what a pick and roll. partner for me. Or in transition, he. just throw it anywhere. He's going to go. get it and put it down. >> You guys were fun to watch out there. I. remember those. The highlights were. obviously epic. I don't know if I was. watching the games live. Go ahead, BA. >> Where's Dr. J? >> Okay, so. >> the king of the. man invented it. I mean, if anything,

Steve Steve's partner in crime, you. know, going forward, Boston Celtics. legend Blake Griffin would be would be. one that should be on there. >> Yeah, cuz like he jumped over a Kia. >> Yeah, we wire behind. >> Yeah, we watch over AIA when he was. doing it. That's why uh the show is wild. cuz there's everybody's making an. argument for who they think and they. start telling stories. It's like a great. history lesson of dunking this entire. episode available now on X. And Steve, I. think you I thought you did an. incredible job with buying the game.

podcast and going to continue to do. that. I think you're going to do. incredible with Amazon, man. We're. pumped you're in the sports media world. We're thankful for that. >> Thank you. >> I really appreciate it, Pat. That's nice. of you to say. >> All right. >> Good seeing you guys. Hey, by the way, just seeing the studio, I feel good. I. had my best shooting performance in over. a decade in there. Boom. >> I'm I'm kind of sad you didn't you. didn't roll the tape, though. That's. >> Well, I don't think we had it on film. We only had pictures. We only had. pictures of this Steve. >> It's a studio, Pat. like the camera. >> What are you doing? >> You're right. You're right. You're 100%.

right. You even from the warm-ups. From. the warm-ups just ah. >> three bottles of wine. >> Yes. Yeah. Probably two and a half. Three bottles of wine. Yep. Do this one. Ah. I don't know. I haven't shot splash. from like three feet. Okay, let's back. up. Six feet. I don't know. >> Splash. Okay. 8 ft. Boom. Uh, one more. Yeah, I'm pretty good, I think. Go to. the corner. Splash. Splash. Splash. Splash. Splash. Splash, splash, splash, splash, splash. Let's go to play. defense. Okay, now we're playing defense. underneath.

>> No miss. >> No miss. >> Didn't hit the rim. >> Splash splash splash splash splash. splash splash splash splash. Dude, it. was the. >> sidelines in the dome. >> What's that? >> Great sight lines in the Great Sight. lines in the dome. >> You felt good in there, huh? Felt short. Felt. >> good. >> The hoop looked very big to you. I mean, it was unbelievable. Him and you and. Tyrese both. Tyrese, I guess. >> Yeah. >> Sight lines is all that matters. You. guys are You guys are pretty good at. what you do. Two. >> time MVP. >> Yeah. All right. 18-year NBA vet. I. remember when I learned that on camera. You're the best, ladies and gentlemen.

Steve Nash. [Music]. >> Unbelievable. >> So, >> that was pretty booed up. >> Yeah. We have his warm up on film. At. least that I need to watch that, >> dude. He three feet away. >> Boom. >> Just. >> swish. >> this the whole time. >> The whole time. >> Typical OG. >> I don't know. >> Swish. He He still has yet to touch that. rim. He he he still has yet to touch. that rim in his entire time in being. here. He was here for five hours. I was. here for five hours. It was outrageous. Whenever I say that and uh just how cool.

he was. We're thankful he came on. I. learned he was an 18-year NBA vet when I. was sitting down with him for something. for Done up in Canada. Yep. Done was. launching something in Canada and they. asked me and Marshon Lynch and Steve. Nash to go up there and do some stuff. So, I was about to interview Steve Nash. So, I like did some research quickly on. my phone about Steve. I knew of Steve. Nash. Obviously, I didn't know all the. the intel. And I'm sitting right next to. him. I go, "18 years in the NBA." And he. goes, "Yeah, holy fuck." And I just keep scrolling,

nothing else. And it's all caught on. camera. And Steve just sits there, looks. at me for like two seconds, and he just. looks back ahead and like drinks his. water as I'm continuing to scroll. He. could have hated us immediately. And. instead, he went the opposite way. We're. very thankful. He's good. He loves the. game. >> Oh, yeah. >> He loves the game. There it is. >> Yeah. Holy [ __ ] That's the exact. >> guys. No idea. >> No idea. Yeah, I had no idea. And and. then I learned quickly. >> and then what we've learned since then. is a guy loves ball. I like the what. sports are doing right now. A lot of. coaches, a lot of players. Not saying.

there isn't a spot for the people that. go through a journalism uh machinery. class and everything like that. I'm. saying that's very important for sports. I'm never going to take that away from. sports. It is vital to have people who. did not play the sport talk about the. sport not only for the good of the. sport, the growth of the sport, but for. to keep the sport in check too. I think. from people that are kind of outside. objective. >> Yeah, I think it's a good thing. I think. that's a good thing, not a bad thing. But more players and coaches talking. about sports I think is great for the. fans and the NBA is I mean they got. everybody rolling in over there. That's.

good for the league. I think BA. >> I think it's fantastic. Yeah. The same. thing with the NFL. The more real smart. talking heads that know what they're. talking about, it's better for. everybody. And uh same with the Major. League Baseball, you know, when when you. got A-Rod and Big Poppy and those guys. on there, that's a hell of a show. >> Yeah. >> Okay, so let's talk about baseball. Last. night, huge night in the baseball world. What? So last night, we should have been. talking about there was a double header. in Monday Night Football. >> Yeah, exactly. >> So I don't know what we're supposed to. do here. >> Honestly, I don't know what we're. supposed to do here. Huge night in. baseball last night. It was a game seven. last night in baseball.

>> Yeah, game seven. And uh you know for. two teams that both you know Toronto. hasn't been to a World Series in a. really really long time. Seattle hasn't. ever been to a World Series. So I mean. you know just all the drama was already. there and boy did the game deliver. Start in the top of the fifth inning and. big dumper kind of get a season of a lot. of signature moments. This was. definitely his most signature to this. point. He hits a solo homer to take the. Mariners lead to 3-1. And if you're a. Blue Jays fan, you're thinking, "Oh boy,

here we go. The season's about to go. down the pooper." But then in the bottom. of the seventh with two guys on right. after a pitching change, George Springer. pull, he gets a sinker right down the. middle. And it was absolute bedum in. Toronto. >> The one pitch. high fly ball left field. >> That's awesome. One more time, please. Can we get back to the beginning of that. sound? You know, >> the one pitch.

>> high ball left field. No doubt. it go. >> Who's on the call though? >> Uh it was uh John Smoltz and then uh Joe. Davis I believe. >> What a call. What a moment. This guy. went to Yukon. Yukon has a baseball team. or he started playing baseball after he. went to Yukon. be disrespectful. Yukon. legend, you know, Yukon baseball was. just in the thing with jig last year.

Don't That's respect. >> They were close to the thing with jig. They were. >> This is George Springer's thing though. in the postseason, right? >> Yeah. So, that homer gives him 23 for. his career. He is tied for third all. time for the most postseason homers. So, yeah, he's he's a bit of a a Mr. October. A lot of people will say, "Hey, this guy was on the Astros. He cheated.". Uh, but he has since been remorseful. about that. And yeah, anytime they. needed a guy to do something, uh, he. answered the bell. And then this is the. bottom of the ninth. Jeff Hoffman, Julio. Rodriguez at the plate with a full.

count. He strikes out on a slider low. and away. And the Blue Jays are going to. their first World Series since 1993. Um, just I mean, incredible game like the. drama in that. And I, as someone who. like Blue Jays beat the Yankees, they're. in the Yankees division. I definitely. didn't want to see them win because the. Mariners had never been there. You know, we we talked to Cal Raleigh a couple. times this year and followed him. throughout the season, but man, that is. just incredible because you could like. Toronto is and maybe a Gump, this is a.

better uh question for Gump. I don't. know about Canada as a whole, but like. Toronto is so invested in the Blue Jays. Like they they will I mean, hearing that. place, you could hear a pin drop in. there when they went down 3-1 and it's. kind of like, hey, we had the best. record in the American League this year. and it's all going to be for not. Who. knows if we'll ever get the opportunity. to get back to this place and then boom, one swing of the bat and it's like. Toronto Toronto's ready to riot. >> Gumpy, is that Canada's team up there? The Blue Jays? >> Absolutely. They all love them out. there. Rogers owns the Blue Jays, the.

Maple Leafs, the Raptors, all. >> Oh, they need it. >> They certainly need it. Lots of money. Yeah, lots of money and they need it. He. also There was a photo I think you. showed me of uh Vlad as an with an. Expose jersey on. I think whenever he. was a boy. >> Yeah. when he was a kid, his dad played. for the Expose and it's a great picture. of him with his helmet up in the air as. a young baseball player and then with. his hel helmet up in the air as a Blue. Jay champion. >> What a time. You're a big baseball guy, huh? >> I love it. I I just wanted to see the. best drama. The dumper was on deck.

>> I know. >> Take that damn pitch and let the dumper. come up. >> What happened? >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, the big dumper was on deck in. that situation, but Julio Rodriguez was. two for four, you know, in this game. Like he he has been nails for them. Uh. but that yeah, a lot of people are. saying, man, if you could just find a. way to kind of get on base, work a walk. there, then you're gonna bring up big. dumper who earlier in the game after he. hit his solo homer, they intentionally. walked him with no one on base. And. you're thinking in like a situation like. that, like. >> they got to pitch them.

>> Yeah, you kind of have to because if if. they put somebody on, then you know, a. single wins the game. So like we we. potentially would have got big dumper. for all the marbles. So it's tough. Someone released or not someone, it was. on the internet of like the pitches in. the last at bat and none of them were. strikes. They they were all balls and he. he just swung three times. >> That whole inning the two batters before. him like nobody was swinging at what. they should have been swinging at. >> Oh, the dumper could have had a chance. to save the city in the bottom of the. ninth,

>> man. Could have. >> two one person on. >> Yep. >> That's World Series kind of stuff. I I. mean that is that's what dumper dreams. of. >> Yeah. But I mean, >> that's what I dream of as a baseball. fan. I was I almost fell asleep right. before that all happened. I didn't get a. chance to see the ending there, but boy, baseball huge night in a game seven. Would be great on a Tuesday. >> Well, you know, we'll get that for the. World Series. >> Would be great on a Tuesday. Would be. great if that was happening tonight if. we knew that was happening. >> Very true. In hindsight, though, like. boy, do I feel bad for you. Uh if you.

were like a Seattle resident and you. decided to watch the Seahawks game. instead of that because that game. [ __ ] sucked and this game was. awesome. So, like, you know, you'll have. more Seahawks games. That could have. been, you know, the end of it. But just. for context, the the Blue Jays, their. preseason win total 79 a half, the. Dodgers 105 and a half. So, like the. blue the Blue Jays are were not expected. to be here at all. So, if you really. want like the the underdog against like. the, you know, the the big bad. superpower, that's exactly what we're. going to get with the World Series. >> And David Roberts said, "Let's win four.

more games and make everybody hate us. for something.". >> They did. and Showi, you know, in their. closeout game had the greatest game in. the history of baseball. So, we'll see. You know, something's got to give. >> Is Showi just going to do that four more. straight times? Let's just put him in. there four straight times. Just let Show. have a Show night and just let's go. ahead and win a World Series. >> At this point, I'm with it. You know, hey, four games left. You if you burn. three years off this guy's career. because you let him throw four nights in. a row and give him the opportunity to. hit 12 homers and 12 at bats. We need to. see. >> Sounds like there's a little bit of. mockery in that answer. >> Not at all. I love I love show.

>> Blue Jays also thought they were getting. Showi when he went to the Dodgers, too. So, there is a little bit of beef there. >> Well, I want to let you know, bad news. for the Blue Jays cuz he is everything. they thought he was going to. >> without a doubt. And he was never going. to Toronto. I hate to break it to him, but. >> he is special. Yeah, >> this guy is unbelievable. >> They they released that the $750 million. contract was made back in one year for. merch and ticket sales and everything. for the Dodgers. But you said best. performance in baseball. Is that the. greatest single game in just the history. of sports when it comes to 10.

strikeouts, three for three? >> I think it's definitely on the Rushmore. if there was to be a Rushmore. I don't. know, Rush. Uh I saw what a guy scored. 100 some points in a game. >> No, that's not real. >> What? >> Yeah, that was Leslie in high school. halftime. 100 time. >> Oh yeah, Reggie Miller sister as well. >> What do you say? Will Chamberlain scored. 100. So you saw it? >> I was and it was in Hershey, Pennsylvania. >> That's what they said. >> You should ask Steve. He he's. >> Were you there? >> No. No. >> Was anybody? >> There's a bunch of folks there, but. yeah, we'll we'll we'll score 100.

>> Really? Are we 100% sure? >> I'm pretty sure. >> All right, we'll put you as a vote for. yes. Okay, >> con man, you already said no. That. didn't happen. >> Absolutely not. >> Ty, >> I'm going to say yes. >> Dut. >> No. >> Okay. >> And Ty Ty's yes also comes with the. asterisk that he believes we went to the. moon. >> Correct. >> So, we have we dig them. >> We're all kind We're all kind of. consistent up here with. >> how we feel about this. Yeah. A little. open-minded versus Yeah. No, I believe. it type conversation. Uh, on that note, I wish he did. I hope he did.

>> People of Hershey wouldn't lie. >> But if we're talking about they are good. people up there, you know, uh, I think. their park is far inferior to Kennywood, but that's neither a conversation we. need to have. Is there any. >> Bruce Town? >> I got my first kiss that heard your. park. >> That was back when it was good. Kennywood has evolved. Okay. Kennywood. is the best. >> A long time ago, brother. >> Long time ago, brother. Uh, what is. another one? What would be another one? Is there some game seven hockey. >> where there's like four goals? >> Well, what was it? The guy would have to.

[ __ ] score a hat-tick and have 40. saves in the net to. >> football. You have to throw three. touchdowns and then also have 20. tackles. >> Yeah. And a pick six like. >> I don't know how you do it. That's game. seven, too. And then scoreless through. seven. 10 strikeouts, three dong shots. And everybody was hoping that would what. you would do and you go out there and do. it. That guy's a machine. >> Yeah. >> Hour two will be on the other side. I. think you'll enjoy it. or maybe it'll be. asked. Be a friend and tell a friend. something nice. We'll see you then. >> But it is great to be down here in.

Tatown, Alabama. Now, let's do a little. history here, shall we? This is uh. what's your name? >> Gabby. >> Gabby, you're a senior here, right? >> That's correct. >> And what is your major? >> Chemical engineering. >> Okay. Okay. Uh have you ever kicked anything. before? >> No. >> Okay. But you said you want to do it, not get somebody else because. >> because I camped out for so many hours. with my friend and I got lucky enough to.

get picked. So, let's go for it. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All right. >> We love that, Gabby. $300,000 if you. make this kick right here, Gabby. Okay. >> Oh my gosh, >> that seems fair. >> I don't know what a chemical engineering. degree costs, but hopefully that'll help. towards it all. >> My parents would love that. >> I'll throw in 200 as well. He started to. $500,000. [Applause]. [Music]. >> All right, Gabby. >> Okay, >> good luck. We're pulling for you. 33.

yards. All you got to do is make the. kick. Good luck, Gabby. >> Okay. >> Any final thoughts? >> I love you, mom and dad and brother. >> Love that. Mom and dad, hope you have a. good time. Ladies and gentlemen, Gabby. Matthysse, chemical engineer, senior. here at Alabama, will attempt to win. 500,000. [Applause]. It's come to this, huh? It's come to. this. >> It's come to this. >> Yeah, this Why'd you smack me in the.

face? Kurt just smacked me in the face. How about this? How about this, Gabby? If Kirk Herbstreet can throw that. football through those uprights right. there, we'll give you $300,000. >> Are you okay with that? >> 300,000. If Kirk Kre can throw it. through those uprights, former Ohio. State quarterback. >> No warm up. Full suit for Deb. [Applause].

[Laughter]. Get it. Get. [Applause]. congratulations. [Applause]. >> All right. It's getting even more. pricey. Kirk Curve Street, I did not. know you had that in you. You son of a. [ __ ]. >> Oh, that's great.

Gabby. Gabby, it's for you, your mom, your brother, the whole family. Congratulations. And Kirk, >> good on you, man. It was close. Back to. you, Louise. Jeez, way to go, Gabby. >> Hey, what a moment. You know, I love the. fact that Gabby wanted the experience. You know, Blueey Buckeye still got a. little sing in that arm of his. The. following program is a collection of.

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of the program begins right now. football. yes see that I got a little laid off. that time because I was so excited to. get to cadence ladies and gentlemen. that's 47year football coach multiple. time Super Bowl champion Bruce Arens is. join NBA Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. The talks tables here at. Boston Conor at Tai Schmidt. Joining us. live from an attic in Ohio is a man. who's a college football national. champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup.

winner, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Horn. >> Yeah, Hawker. >> Hawker, let's talk about what you seen. from the Detroit Lions defense last. night. Listen, we got four or five guys. out. Okay, this is kind of becoming the. thing for the Lions. Last year, they had. like 14 of their starters somehow out on. the defensive side. They still rallied. to the number one overall seed in the. NFC. They lose both their coordinators. Peter Strager, who will be joining us in. about 10 minutes or so before the. season, said there's a chance Linstein. doesn't even make the playoffs this. year. Well, prime time against Tampa Bay.

Buccaneers and Baker Mayfield is maybe. on an MVP run. They show up and show out. up there at Ford Field. What's your. takeaway about this Detroit Lions team, AJ Hawk? >> Yeah, I mean the defense and what Kelvin. Shepard was able to do. That's the. thing, like when you lose when you lose. one DB in the back end, it's tough. because you you you're working together. so much throughout OTAAS and camp and. everything, but when you have multiple. guys, younger guys or less experienced. guys in there together and to be able to. match up like they they were like on. third downs, you see them chasing. chasing guys all across the field here. in all these highlights you're playing.

like it's just uh it's pretty. impressive. See, that's a zone zone drop. right there obviously as I'm talking, but um. >> mixing it up. Yeah, I think it's just it. it's unbelievable that they able to do. it for four straight quarters. That's. the thing. You can sometimes hold up for. a while, but it all, you know, it's a. collaborative effort. Obviously, the. front four did a great job of that. If. they weren't getting the quarterback. down, they were pressuring him, making. him feel uncomfortable. >> Yeah, the Detroit Lions uh have taken on. the attitude of Dane Campbell. What's. his record in prime time games, Con? >> 13 and three under MCDC with the Lions.

>> Ain't that a completely vastly different. uh world in reality for Detroit Lions. fans? Foxy, this must be really nice. >> 100%. And it just changes everything. about the Lions. People in Michigan now, kids, adults, everyone wears Lions gear. And I think it's because when you're. watching them on national TV, people. enjoy watching this brand of football. They love MCDC. They love the Jared Golf. story. So, it's changed everything. I. was mentioning this to you earlier this. morning. The Colts are so good right. now. The nation needs to see them. The. Colts need to get on national TV. That's.

a big deal, especially for a team like. the Lions who have been so shitty for so. long. It's changed everything. >> And they talk about a national appeal. that getting on prime time TV gets, but. also like fans that are maybe on the. outskirts locally, like who have maybe. checked out on the team for a little. bit. It's like, oh [ __ ] we're on prime. time. Then get a huge win. All of a. sudden, you're reback invested. Prime. time games tell the story of your teams. They showcase your team. They're very. important. The Colts, I'll tell you. what, we got a couple four o'clock games. this year, and that's awesome. They uh. I'm pretty excited about that. But last. year was 1:00 across the board, brother.

Didn't even have a Thursday night. I. thought everybody had a Thursday night. The Colts didn't even get. >> I thought you had to. I thought you had. to have a Thursday night. >> No, first year they didn't. The Colts. didn't have one. I'll tell you that. >> In Dan Campbell's first year, we had all. one:00 games. >> Yeah, it is a uh it is a different world. whenever you're doing that and then. you're on prime time making magic. happen, especially whenever you lose. both your coordinators coming into the. year. Tell me about MCDC Bruce Arens. Tell me about his style and why you. think it works up there even though they. have new coordinators and new pieces. >> Because he's real. He's real. He keeps. it straight. He didn't pull any punches.

and and those guys know what he expects. from them and they deliver. Um he's got. a great rapport. I really think he's a. younger Bill Cower and uh reminds me a. lot of Bill and his he's he's fiery. He's into it. He obviously loves it and. uh and his players play that way. >> How about his neck be? You know, we we. we talk about. >> his neck and coward's jaw. >> Yes, >> that's that's a combination. >> That would be quite a tag team there. I. couldn't even imagine you'd be able to. actually chop wood if you had coward's.

jaw on that neck right there. AJ, we. always talk about Ves obviously being. able to handle himself in a uh. leaguewide head coach battle. MCDC's. only getting bigger. Is that what we're. all seeing from him? >> Yeah, it sure feels like it. Uh I mean, yeah, you're right. Look at his neck as. his neck and traps his shoulder, his. back. I mean, this dude is he's a great. representation of what the NFL could be, I guess. Or I guess what the NFL is. There's I guess man, think about him and. some other coaches around the league, other other head coaches when they stand. next to each other. >> Yeah. I couldn't even You remember um it.

was it was Raves and Harball right when. the Titans and Ravens were about to. fight? Yep. >> And uh Harbaugh and Ves were talking to. each other and then immediately the. internet goes, >> "John, John, you don't want any piece of. that." Then the convo immediately goes. to would Vaves have a problem with. anybody? Basically, and in Braves's. mind, I assume he's always going to have. to think no, he would not have any. problem with anybody. MCDC feels very. comfortable as well. BA, I think you. would have been a great [ __ ] talker. >> If you had to put brackets of head.

coaches, Dan Campbell's definitely one. seed. >> And if there were two sides of the. bracket, Fable would be the one side. One seat on the other side. >> Okay. But let's say there isn't two. sides of the bracket. You're saying one. seed is MCD. >> One overall pro. Yeah. I probably go D. MCDC probably. Yeah. >> Okay. I respect that because I've heard. similar stories about MCDC. Maybe two. sigs. >> Oh yeah. Mhm. >> Oh yeah, they Yeah, he's Yeah, he's a. dude. We know that. >> Back in the day, not now, obviously. Demo Ryan is certainly. >> throw him in there. Mike McDonald.

>> Who would be a sneaky little guy that. you think would just. >> McDaniel? Yeah, McDaniel would know. that ankles. >> He'd get your ass, too. He'd get your. ass real quick. McDaniel would come on. and then some little right hand would. come across. >> Not little, but not not that little. But. now that we've seen him in action, Genanon's got a hook on him now. >> Oh yeah, he chop. >> and a chop. >> He's got a backhand and a forehand now. that we've seen it. It expensive, too.

He's got a valuable chop. >> That's a six figure chop and slap that. guy's got. >> He doesn't even care about that. >> Mhm. >> He actually chops that to the side. >> Exactly. >> Bam. I don't care. >> Yeah, whatever. >> Out of power. >> Do this to. >> Sean McVey definitely fiery. Yeah, >> I think he's a survivor no matter what. Like if it's a brawl till death, I think. McVeyy's around long. Yeah, you better you better put Pete away. early cuz Pete's never stopping. We know. that. >> Yeah, but with the way the Raiders look. right now, I don't know if Pete's even. walking into that thing. You boys can. have, you know, you boys can have you. heard the reports? Uh, man, we haven't.

heard from in a long time. Good to see. Actually, Trey Wingo reported that um uh. the Dallas Cowboys have inquired about a. trade for Max Crosby potentially, which. obviously Trey Wingo used to work at. ESPN. I think he does have sources of. some sort, might still have them. Uh, good to see you, Trey. Good to see you, Trey out there doing it. Uh, the spow. track immediately puts together a bunch. of numbers for if he was to be traded, what it would cost, when it would cost. it. Two years of guaranteed money out of. the SPO track, folks. First year and.

second year. Then everything else not. guaranteed. Basically, the offsetting uh. money comes in March 2nd of next year is. the guarantees. Yeah, here's the here's. the entire thing. And Crosby's 29. million 2027 salary becomes guaranteed. next March, making it a 2.5year, $80. million contract for practical purposes. 20.3 guaranteed, 30 million guaranteed. in 2026. So first three years. potentially fully guaranteed there. That. price though for a Max Crosby makes you. wonder, well, uh, if you're going to pay.

that to Max, could you have uh could you have paid. something to Micah? But we're not even. going to get into that road. But now. that everybody kind of knows what the. numbers are exactly for Max and Trey. Wingo is reporting that people are. interested in potentially trading for. him. Does that mean more people also. probably interested behind the scenes BA. if they understand that maybe Max is. available at this point? >> Uh yeah, if he's out there somebody's. shopping and uh when you hear that. stuff. So there'll be a lot of folks. that want to get in on Max Crosby. I. promise you that. >> What makes Max different? Obviously his. motor. Is that everything?

>> Yeah. I think when you think of uh Jared. Allen and those he's all those guys. wrapped in one. I mean he's relentless. And uh does he have the biggest. strongest looking body? No. But man, he. he's powerful, but his motor is. unbelievable. >> He's also a menace. It feels like he. would be a great cowboy. >> He has unbelievable hands. Watch. I'm. sorry to interrupt, but like I I love. watching Max. You watch like you could. have three different defenders at. different levels get to him. And he does. such a good job. He doesn't He's never. looking at his blocker. He's always. looking at the quarterback wherever the. ball is. And he's just so good flipping. his hips, flipping his shoulders, his.

hands. Like he never lets guys get a. good shot on him. And he can also though. you have to be able to bull rush as. well. So Max definitely has the power, but it just he's so fluid with his hands. and just relentless. He he just doesn't. let anybody block him. Like it's really. fun to watch. >> He actually fights in the offseason, right? Isn't that like his thing? He. does a lot of hand work, obviously mitt. work, cardio work. He has a battery and. energy that I don't think anybody else. has in the entire league. Obviously his. works on his technique, his work ethic. is tremendous. His tats look very cool. We got to see him live whenever the. Raiders played against Colts. He looks. so cool. He would be a cool cowboy. That.

would be a very cool. >> Condor the cowboy. That would be a very. cool cowboy. And Jerry Jones goes, >> "This [ __ ] guy's available.". >> Remember I said like, "Hey, I got these. picks now. You never know what's going. to happen. People never think I'll bring. in another pass rusher.". >> Same a little bit older maybe. Actually, this guy, he's already been paid. This. guy's a little bit older. Nobody would. expect me. >> Cheaper, too. >> Nobody would expect me to give up a. couple first for that. Boom. Then Magic. Man does it again. Look at the lane man. pulling this thing off. Max Crosby now. is getting to the quarterback and the. Dallas Cowboys all the way back. We got.

MVP Dak. Everybody's calling me a big. dumb [ __ ] MVP Dak Prescott. Now we. got the cone door playing for the. Cowboys. And don't look now. Is Zebra. Fle excited? Jerry Jones has a chance to. really do something sweet here. And then. he has a chance to walk his ass right. out to those cameras. Probably big tuck in. >> Mhm. >> Had to bring him in. What I [ __ ] say. And then he gets a chance to flex, which. is why I think this is possible. That's. the only reason why I think it's. possible is because Jerry Jones will. take a victory lap if he's able to. accomplish this. And Max Crosby, I think. we know exactly who he is now. He got.

hurt, I believe. >> Yeah, I think he had a groin. He didn't. finish the game versus the Chiefs. >> So, we don't know his health status, but. he's a guy that we know is going to be. productive. Yes. >> Like all the time. So, that would be a. home run type signing for anybody, but. Jerry Jones definitely with everything. that took place in the offseason. >> Yeah. And AJ talked about his his hands. like his being he plays well against the. run to pass. And usually guys who have. that type of effort down in the down. out, we kind of like to put him in that. bucket of like, oh, he's just a lunch. bell guy. He's going to short to work. But he has highend like elite pass. rushing traits as well. and he's going.

to elevate anybody on that on that. defense. I don't care if you're running. his own coverage, if you're running a. man coverage. Having a guy like that. that doesn't come off the field, I mean, that's going to boost that that entire. roster. >> I mean, this just got classic Jerry. written all over. If they do get him, he's going to say, "Well, that was part. of that was the plan all along." What. are you talking about? >> You think I thought the Raiders were. going to be good? >> Yeah, that Michael's a shitbird. That's. why we got him out of here. Max Crosby, he's a cowboy. So, we're going to But. ultimately, like this just makes them. good look good, right? Because like we. had Chefty on yesterday and and asked.

him about that and he was like. >> this has always been the answer from the. Raiders is people reach out about him. and it's no we're not trading him. We're. not doing that. So like they can put the. hey sources tell me that the the Cowboys. are snooping around in Vegas. They they. want like that doesn't mean anything. because if the. >> you're you're talking about Trey Wingo's. report. >> That is exactly what I'm talking about. You know I mean it's a it's a nice. phrasing because it does you know. >> they're talking about Wingos. >> I mean. >> what's it going to take to get him? >> That's right. it like. >> you're talking about Trey Wingo right.

now. >> Yes. Yes, I am. >> Really? >> You know what? Yeah. I just Wow. >> I I get it. >> Trey Wingo. >> It's out there. I get it. >> Bring it. >> I mean, it means nothing. >> Trey Wingo gets a little chirpy, doesn't. he? >> Yeah. I'm a big Yeah, Trey Wingo is full. of [ __ ] guy. That's me. >> Is that you? >> Yeah, I'm I'm a big Sorry, I should have. done the full sentence. I'm a big Trey. Wingo's full of [ __ ] guy. But I I do. know people like him. >> Yeah. And he did do they he did the um. he did have a long sports media through.

so we assume he has inside information. at different places. Joining us now is a. guy who has a lot of inside information. Ladies and gentlemen, front of the. program a man who's an Emmy award winner. and he's fresh off Redeye out of Seattle. run on no sleep. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Shreger. [Applause]. How you doing buddy? >> I'm doing great. It wasn't just a redeye. fat. Red eye with a connection in. Minneapolis. >> Yeah. Two red. >> eyes. Like two red eyes. Yeah. >> If I can just tell you, last night was.

the latest an NFL game has ever ended. I. think I did the latest postgame. interview ever in the history of sports. I did this thing at 1:30 Eastern. Me and. Sam Darnold. Basically Darnold, I'm. like, "All right, up and down game." I'm. like, "I'm not even listening to what. you're saying. I got to I got to get on. I got to get to the airport. All right.". Uh, it was great though. Darnold played. well. The Seahawks, the Elements, the. everything was awesome. And then I run. run like I've never ran before and I'm. not AJ Hawk. I'm not a runner. Okay. I.

run to the trucks and I'm like, where. are we going? Let's go. They're like, well, we got to wait for Arlovski. Like, okay. Well, I I have a flight that. takes off in about 30 minutes. Well, we. got to wait for. >> Dan Orloski just called the game. Did a. great job by the way. Comes down like. strakes. We're good, bro. We're gonna be. fine. I'm like, "No, no. If we miss this. flight, I missed my kids flight. Football game tomorrow. I don't get to. go on McAfee." And and Orski is like, "Bro, we're good. Coolest customer. He. just called the game. He's feeling.

himself." We get in the car. Our guy. Steel is driving. We got Jeff to find. the producer in the back. >> We got Credence Clearwater Revival. blasting. Okay. CCR blasting. We pull up. to the the Seattle airport, run to the. gate, little line, TSA, who knows what's. going on in that world right now. We get. through TSA. We get through security. We. are the last ones on the plane. Or. didn't break a sweat. I was a complete. drenched mess. It's just our lives. We. made the flight. We made the fight.

>> There we go. And that's Dana. That's quarterback. You. know, that's Dan O being a quarterback. Everybody mocks him because the 11 yard. end zone thing, but you know, he he's. got a lot of the qualities of a. quarterback, you know, like, hey, let's. not, hey, whoa, whoa, this ain't helping. us right now. Okay, what you're doing. right now, it. >> not helping any of us right now. We kind. of got to go ahead and do this. Now, Dan. Olowski, he didn't book that flight. He. had no backup plan. And he also had no. idea about what was happening probably. in that moment. Ignorance is bliss. Let's talk about you making the flight. and also doing our show. We appreciate.

that. That game, what were you talking. with Sam Darnold about? Were you talking. about how their team was able to turn. over so quickly whenever they kick Pete. Carol out the door? They paint over the. walls. McDonald's taken out of the. Baltimore Ravens defense. They're. basically turning the page. DK Metaf, see you later. We don't want you on the. team anymore. Lock it. See you later. We. don't want you on team anymore. Gino, see you later. We don't want you on the. team anymore. Brand new Seattle. Seahawks. And they've turned the page. here pretty quickly into a great team. Is that your takeaway from last night? Or are the Houston Texans? Uh, sh. And I.

love how explosive Jackson Smith and Jig. is able to one step and dunk that thing. as if he's seven foot tall. >> Yeah. Le let's start with the former the. Seattle Seahawks because and there I am. on the sideline in that beautiful blazer. if you see on the near sideline. Uh I I. I talked to John Schneider who's a GM. for a long time before the game and. Schneider's really the one constant. He's been there since 2010 and it's been. through not only the Pete era but the. Russ era and now we're changing guards. and now it's Mike McDonald and Sam. Darnold. Pat Sam Darnold's only 28 years. old. He's only 28 years old. He started.

with the Jets at 21. And I thought it. was fascinating talking to Sam for a. while during the production meeting. call. He's engaged. He just bought his. first house of his life. He's always. been a transient guy. Renting in New. York, renting in Carolina, renting in. San Francisco, renting in Minnesota. And. he's like, "And I'm finally feeling the. love that I'm wanted." And it's almost. like sometimes it takes guys this long. And Darnold is so in control, is. absolutely the leader of this team. And.

yesterday, he and Jackson Smith and. Jigba looked as good as he looked with. Justin Jefferson last year. It's. unbelievable the connection they had. Eight catches, I think 153 yards, maybe. something less than that. But every time. that JSN was getting open, Sam had an. eye on him and would hit him. And the. two of them have this great connection. He's like, "This guy, not a diva, not a. give me the ball, just does everything. right." And the two of them are on the. same exact wavelength. I loved watching. these two connect. And I loved watching.

Mike McDonald, this like very even. killed guy who is a defensive first. coach putting the ball in Sam's hands. and saying, "Sam Darnold, you lead us. there, our defense will do the rest.". And oh boy did they. >> Yeah, I think Sam Darnold with his. little revenge tour here that uh I'm a. good player. Buying his first house is. crazy to think about at the age of 28. Feeling the love is crazy. The fact that. Minnesota just let him out of the. building also crazy. every single week. that continues. Jackson Smith and Jigba, one of those Ohio State wide receivers. You can't be a diva in there because. there's another guy right behind you.

that's willing to take a spot. Go ahead, AJ. >> Yeah, Shreks, what was the atmosphere. like on TV? I couldn't really, you know, the game was, you know, it was it was a. slog at times, but what was what was the. atmosphere like. >> and also though about that Seattle. Seahawks defense? Can you talk about. them a little bit? I think they they. obviously are under the radar for what. they're doing. >> JJ Watt and I were texting humble brag. Uh during the game, I'm over there on. the sidelines and he's like, "I'm sorry, bro. I got to I got to I got to turn it. off. I can't keep my eyelids open." I'm. like,

>> I felt like I was watching Bruce. Springsteen in a small New Jersey bar in. the Jersey Shore, like the Stone Pony in. the 70s. Like, if you're watching this. game, you you're one of the dieards. You're one of the early And like that's. fine. What you missed was an atmosphere. that was completely deflated at about. the 10 minute mark of the second quarter. because George Springer hits this home. run. And it basically eliminates the. Seattle Mariners from their first ever. trip to the World Series. While that's.

happening, everyone's checking it on. their phones in the crowd. They have it. up on the big screen. It's a. heartbreaker. And then the Seahawks. defense is basically like, "All right, not only do we have to carry our offense. at time, we're going to carry this. entire city sports fans on our back, too, because they start showing up and. it's it's Leonard Williams obviously. who's in his 11th year and is still as. dominant as ever was. Demarcus Lawrence. is everywhere. Nosu is everywhere." And. you're looking around, you're like, "Oh. my gosh, they they play with their. their, you know, on fire." And here was.

the deal. It was interesting there. This. one should have been a safety. I don't. want to say that. Mike McDonald lost his. mind on this one. They called that. forward pro progress. >> There was a third and short and a there. was a third and short and a fourth and. short and the the Texans decided Nick. Kayley the offensive coordinator decided. let's run it both times. The Seattle. defense just closed the door. You know, Seattle turned the ball over four times. yesterday. They also had a a field goal. blocked. It didn't seem to hurt them. They were up the entire time. It's. because that defense did not let the. Texans do anything on offense.

>> Yeah. And not doing anything on offense. the Texans. Interesting story, brother. I mean I mean it's an interesting story. just from a couple years back to what we. were crowning them. You talk about JJ. Watt. JJ Watt a couple years ago was. like we got future. We got 10 years of. greatness down here in Houston. They. make some moves. They get rid of some. people. They lose Bobby Sloic as the OC. They've looked like a very different. team after talking to them and getting. to learn about them. What is their. thoughts on where they stand right now? >> Yeah, we met with CJ Strad. We met with. Demo Ryan, Nick Kaye, uh, and Will.

Anderson in person and and Matt Burke, the defensive coordinator, in person. late Sat uh, Sunday night. So, it's like. you really get a feel for where they're. at and they're hopeful that these young. wide receivers can step up. I know uh, Debbut mentioned earlier that they have. the two wide the two wide receivers from. Iowa State that they drafted and the. hope is that like maybe they'll play a. role. Well, they have to play a role. now. you're out there and it's Daltton. Schultz and Nico Collins, basically the. only guys that are are established. players at the wide receiver or tight. end position and the running back spot.

Nick Chub used to be one of the better. running backs in the league. He hasn't. really done that this year and then. Woody Marks is a nice complimentary. player, but like without Joe Mixon's. leadership out there with Nico Collins. hurt, it just didn't feel like they had. the weapons and then you get to the. offensive line and it's so young. It's a. lot on CJ Strad and he's not, you know, he doesn't get no blame in this thing. He he had some passes that maybe that. were, you know, on him, but for the most. part, you're looking at this offense and. you're like, "Wow, that was a really.

lopsided situation. That defense in. Seattle or that offense in Houston." It. might still be enough to win the AFC. South and challenge the Colts. We'll. see. Shut up. >> It's not It's not too late. It's not too. late. It's not too early to say that. >> You had two red eyes. You had two red. eyes last night. I understand. I. understand. >> Who's in the AFC South? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The best team in the AFC. Yeah. Oh [ __ ] I forgot about that. I. understand. I I respect where Yeah, because they have been running the AFC. South for a long time. And then they get. CJ Stout. It's like they're only going. to get better. And then it kind of. >> it's kind of Strad's won playoff games.

the last two years, right? They've gone. to the final four of the divi of the. conference the last two years. So you're. like, we're going to take the next step. They move on from Slowick, which I. thought was interesting. Nick Kayley. comes from the McVey tree. Also had. eight years with Bellich. So it's like. he's going to mesh those two systems. I. just didn't get a feel for them last. night on offense that they have the the. firepower to compete with a Kansas City. uh you know an Indianapolis right now. and of course you go up and down the. board of all these AFC teams that are. airing it out. >> All right TX you're saying right now. you're saying a lot of things I don't. have to go back to your Lions take after.

what happened. We'll just skip that. thing. Okay. And the Dolphins and we. won't talk about that. Okay. So. >> the Dolphins was bad. >> Yeah. >> You had a lot of good ones though. Shs. We're out here live in real time. It's. going to happen to us all. You talk. about the Texans defense. Here's some. Hembo stats. Below is an uncomprehensive. list of statistics in which the Texans. defense leads the NFL. Points per game, points per uh drive, drive score, QBR. allowed, EPA per play, pass EPA, which. we know EPA matters. We're going to be. talking about that. But the Texans. defense is real and uh that is certainly.

something that Dico Ryan probably has a. lot of pride in. If the offense can get. rolling, they get healthy, maybe get. some more weapons, maybe the Houston. Texans are all the way back. But uh. welcome to Danny Dimes AFC South. Now, Danny Dimes obviously in the Colts on an. incredible run right now and to continue. for the rest of the season. Debbut has a. question for you. Shrekes. >> Yeah, on that note with the Tex and that. defense, that is a reason to be. optimistic. It's not just a complete. [ __ ] show, you do have one of the best. defense in the league. So, hopefully. they can figure it out. Uh, but Shreggs, at this point in the season, what team.

do you see that can maybe aside from the. teams that are already hot that came out. of the gate hot that can kind of get hot. and make a run uh down the stretch? Yeah, look, you look at the records. right now and it's like there's so many. good teams. I think someone posted that. in the NFC, you know, everyone there's. nine teams that are, you know, a half a. game apart. You look at the 49ers right. now, they're leading the NFC West, if. the playoffs were today, they'd be the. two seed and that's with everyone. injured. So, you pick it. Now, the team. that really intrigued me last week, and. you know, I could easily say the. Patriots, they're 5-2. I thought the.

Bengals found some magic on Thursday. night. And suddenly it's like if Flaco. can throw the ball 23 times to Jamar. Chase and complete it 16 times and get. six receptions to T. Higgins and they. have an offense. That was the plan all. along. They were going to outscore you. That's what they did against Pittsburgh. Suddenly, you look at the Bengals, they're just three and four. Do we know. when Burrow's coming back? Do we know if. Burrow's coming back? It might have been. just a flash in the pan, but I will. promise you this, that trade, they give.

up a fifth round pick and basically. they're paying an extra million dollars. here that the Browns don't have to pay. to get Joe Flacco. That was not a white. flag by any means. That trade for the. Bengals was essentially them telling the. rest of the league, "No, no, no. We're. not quitting. We see this isn't working. and the season's going down the drains. and we're swirling around like, we've. got some fight in us." I thought that. might have been the most impressive win. of the week and it happened all the way. back on Thursday night. But Flacco. suddenly gave life to this team and. that's the strength of their team. Higgins and Chase, that's who they pay. the money to. So if you're wondering,

well, what about the offensive line or. the defensive line? It's not a priority. as far as getting those guys their. balls. And guess what? That's what they. did. They outscored the Steelers and. they were able to make that very high. price Steelers defense look very. mediocre. You can hear tone all the way. and hammer don sighing saying I know I. know. Yep, there it is. Yep, there he. is. Absolutely feeling that uh as you're. saying it. And also think about T. Higgins doing that slide at the end of. the game so they can go for the. game-winning field goal. That's a. testament to their culture, I think. You.

know, you talk about them saying, "This. isn't a white flag. We understand it's. not working. We want to keep going." T. Higgins getting paid all that money, having an opportunity to go ahead and. maybe hit an incentive, maybe get. another touchdown, especially fourth. quarter game-winning touchdown. potentially against Pittsburgh Steelers. instead he slides. I think that it says. a lot about the culture they have inside. that building. I'm a fan as well. Now, there was a game that uh happened on. Sunday that has only happened one other. time since the 1970s merger and uh it. obviously happened to the New York. Giants team, but it happened for the.

Denver Broncos team. So, Denver Broncos, good on you. >> Good on you, Denver Broncos. That's an. incredible display of resiliency and. getting back into it. And I don't know. if anybody's ever put 33 points up like. that in a quarter after looking like. such ass the first three quarters. And. the answer is no, they haven't. Now on. the flip side of that, >> have we lost the Moxy? Ty has a question. for you. >> Yeah, Shrekes, what is the temperature? What are the vibes around the Giants. right now? Obviously, a couple weeks. ago, hey, this team's going to the. playoffs. You know, we we might have a.

Hall of Fame quarterback and then they. have arguably the worst collapse in the. history of the NFL. Is everyone still. very high on the Giants with Scatabo. and, you know, Jackson Dart? And are we. thinking, hey, Dable is going to be. safe? He's going to be around. He showed. enough the last couple weeks with. Jackson Dart that everything's going to. be okay. And we're kind of just playing. with house money for the rest of the. year. >> No, Giants fans are depressed. They are. completely, you know, you know, in. misery form. And knowing my Giants fan. friends and knowing people in the New.

York City area, not only do you have. this terrible Jets team right now, you. have a Giants team that for 55 minutes. looked like they were going to go win. the Super Bowl on Sunday and then. completely, you know, gave up everything. in the final 10 minutes of this game. It. was a historic loss. >> Um, this is a team that was good enough. to beat the 4-0 Chargers a couple weeks. ago. They were good enough to be up with. the Cowboys by, you know, with 13. seconds left. They were good enough to. beat the defending Super Bowl champion. So you think, "All right, I got a shot.". But then you lose to Spencer Rattler and. the Saints, and then you lose in this.

fashion, and you wonder, well, what's. missing here? They're young. But that's. not an excuse. Up and down the the the. roster, you could say, well, this guy. played well, but this guy didn't play. well in the moments that mattered. Then. the coaching questions, it's game. management. And then at the end, the. defense completely giving up 33 points. in the fourth quarter of a game that you. had them shut out the first three. quarters is so inexplicable. um that I think a lot of Giants fans and.

even the journalists covering the team. are still numb trying to piece it. together. Now. >> the journalists are numb. You know, that's deep. You know, that is. >> show some grit. No, they are. They're. just they're shell shocked. Yeah. By. this entire journalist. >> Yeah, it is a quagmire. They're. flabbergasted, I believe, by the by the. entirety of it. Are they not, Ty? What. what are some other uh predicaments that. these journals feel? >> Gobmack. would certainly be, you know, right at. the top of the list there. Uh bamboozled.

maybe. >> Oh, really? By the Broncos or by their. own team there? >> Well, it's it's actually one of those. very rare double bamboozles. you're, you. know, you're bamboozled by the the. Broncos coming back and you're also. bamboozled by your own team who, you. know, just at the at the most important. moment once again has has failed you. >> Okay. So, do you think they're going to. be okay after all the bamboozling and. the obviously quagmire and uh. gobsmackingness that's been happening to. all the local journalists around the. Giants? >> Well, it's very interesting because, you. know, you got the Super Bowl. championship coming in and they're.

they're going to be redashed after. getting beat, you know, by the Giants. just a couple weeks ago. Joe, in my. opinion, you know, Dable, the the. bamboozled needs to turn into the. bamboozler. He needs to he needs to find. a way to bamboozle that Philadelphia. defense and sty them once again. And I I. think that's what they're trying to say. >> Sty is a good word, too. >> Yeah, >> is a good word. >> We got journalism over here. Look, that. was Tai Pete right there. That that was. an actual journalist, the authority in. it all. But you're saying that. everybody's kind of gobbacked, if you. will, by the loss to the Giant uh to the.

Broncos, which is a good thing, not a. bad thing, I think. Well, they also they. got smacked, whatever. But like then. there's questions. Well, Graeme Gnau got. hurt in like the second week of the. season. You bring up you sign Young Way. Coup. You're thinking he's going to be. the kicker. Then they had, you know, the. Irish kid who's number 99. I don't I I. can't get his name right now. And he. missed. >> Jude Mcatami. Jude Mcatami lad. >> He's missed three extra points. And. you're like, should he be kicking for an. NFL team right now? I don't know. Maybe. there should have been another option.

there. I would imagine a move will be. made or that Genoa is healthy to play. Sunday. You can't trot out that same. situation. But like there's these little. things that like yes, we love Dart and. Scataboo and we love the fact that this. team responded when Malik Neighbors went. down and still found a way to win games, but like should they be four and two or. five and one based on what I just. rattled off? Like the Saints game, they. had five turnovers in five straight. possessions against the Cowboys. They. were in that same deep prevent defense.

when they're just heading stuff. >> Brian Burns really pumped up about that. >> Brian Burns not happy. >> Not happy at all. Yeah. Sounds like a. lot of people not happy. And uh Matney, this is life as a kicker, brother. You're going to be okay. I like that he. owned it, took accountability for it. And I also appreciate the fact that the. Irish lads now they, you know, cuz the. international pathway is. >> I saw McQuade. >> McQuade said he's getting some terrible. things said about him. It's like, yeah, this this is the world of a kicker now. That is the I don't like it. I want we. should Somebody should have been a. little bit more uh transparent with the. Irish lads saying, "Hey, you miss a.

couple of these. >> They're gonna [ __ ] kill your life.". >> People get real mean, lad. >> Get real mean. >> Don't go out for dinner. >> Exactly. You should see these Irish NFL. reporters talking about it. They're. like, "Geez, the things they are. saying.". >> 7,500 kilometers away from his family. lads. Take it easy on him. >> Yeah, they are. They're like he's. they're saying mean things to this guy. It's like, yeah, that. >> it my daughter will never be a kicker in. the NFL. >> or in college. >> Wow. >> You know, >> amen. >> Won't let her. Okay. >> No chance. I think back whenever we're.

at the game, >> I'll watch like a kicker jog out or even. a punter jog out. I'm like, "Yeah, right, dude. Thank god I don't have to. do that anymore. I I have no idea how. that was a chapter of my life." Cuz that. Makatamni got such a good story for the. NFL. >> Incredible. >> Got an Irish guy. Holy hell, this is. big. from the pathway program which I've. been promoting so hard everywhere like. >> this is awesome 33 yard extra point. that's no big deal and then you just hit. it a little bit thin and all of a sudden. that thing goes to right and then it's. like get this Irish bastard out of our.

city it's like that's the opposite side. of the coin mate that that's the that's. the other side lad they're tough enough. for it though the Irish lads are tough. for it. >> bounce back lad. >> but that's not going to be the first you. know there's going to be a lot of I. think uh I think the the international. influence in sport our sport is going to. come through ball kicking sports. So. like I I it's been a lot of punters. obviously because Australia and Jamie uh. Scottish which comes from rugby as well. But I think as the soccer players come. over I think there is going to be a.

little bit of an adjustment to like hey. these people are expecting you to shut. up make these kicks and if you don't. >> Yeah. >> It is it is game set match. There's only. 32 jobs. BA. >> Yeah. My son had one of those. I know. what you're talking about. He was an NFL. kicker for sure for a couple years. was. a kicker, right? >> Yeah. And kick for Buffalo in Atlanta. >> And you uh thought to yourself every. time you went out there, please God, make the game. >> That's a nightmare as a parent. That's. my worst nightmare as a parent is have. my. >> It was hard in high school. It was hard. in college. And. >> dude, my mom my mom in college, there's.

no way she enjoyed any of the games. Not. a single one. I'd go on to the field and. it's like this. And I end up being the. all-time leading scorer. And I still get. death threats because of the situation. that happened. One bad night. Obviously, your entire everything is talked about, but every time I went on the field for. everything, a punt, my mom, please hit a. good one. Please hit a good one. Then. every single field goal, please snap. good, hold good, block good, ball go. through the uprights, please. And then. she'll hear the reaction and it's thank. God. And it's like she did that like. when I went to punter, I think she was. like,

"Thank God. This one is a lot easier. tough. >> cuz it's I mean sports is sports, but. it's certain sports and certain moments. we're like, okay, all right, your turn. Everybody's looking like golf like okay, your turn. Your turn everybody." And. it's just. >> Pat, I'll never I'll never forget uh in. Seattle, a wildcard round game, Vikings. versus Seahawks. I'm the reporter. It's. 0 degrees out there. Blair Walsh, who. had an amazing season, misses that. little chippy. I'm the one at the. locker. And Blair Walsh has 10 of us, you know, slob journalists with a.

microphone in his face and he's had to. answer it is this world class athlete. But it's like. >> that that's the job. It's a real burden. And even last night, Kyami Fireborn, who's one of the best kickers in. football, >> at the end there, there's a situation. where there's two minutes 4 seconds. left. >> If he kicks it straight out of bounds, the Texans get the ball with a timeout. or the there's a timeout and they can. stop him before the two-minute warning. Or if he blasts it through the end zone, they save a timeout. Also, kicks it into. the end zone. Demetico Ryan look like. he's ready to lose his mind. Like, what.

are you doing? It's it's there's so many. thin lines and there's little grace from. the fans when it comes to kickers. Yeah. Very little. Especially, we just saw a. guy almost break his neck hitting each. other and then you come trottting out. here. That's cute. Make the kick, dude. Okay. These guys and obviously you got. to know these kickers feel terrible, okay? Cuz they got to walk in that. locker room like. >> everything you guys are saying in. support of the other players. Those. actual other players are in the locker. room where he's headed, you know? So, it. is like you got to look these people in. the eye that uh are sacrificing their. bodies for the betterment of everything.

And you just trot it out there and just. ruined it for everybody. And then you. got to be like so sorry. Sorry, lots. lads. Lads, >> it is tough. They need to start telling. these international kids like the actual. reality of this entire thing because. Makatnami, I think he'll be strong. enough to bounce back, but that's the. real life of being a kicker. Now, let's. move forward. Uh, let's talk about teams. that could potentially go and win a. Super Bowl. And then we got by weeks. happening already. Go ahead, Con man. >> Yeah. The Bills were on a buy, so no. one's really talking about them anymore. and it it feels like everyone's low on. them because of their loss to New.

England in prime time, but they're still. another team that is very good. Even as. a Patriots fan, I can foresee a massive. Bills run in them uh winning the AFC. East, but right now uh times seem to be. tough. What do you think about Buffalo's. chances this year? Do you think it is. one of those terrible situations? It's. going to be a bad season or do you think. they'll figure it out um and eventually. go on and, you know, make a run at the. Super Bowl? And with that being said. too, is there ever a chance that they. don't win 10 games and they stay with.

McDermott forever? >> Yeah. I mean that I did their last game, their Monday night game against the. Falcons where they look like a shell of. themselves because of all the injuries. And you get down there in big time. moments on third and one and Joe Brady's. calling a uh end round to Elijah Moore. and you're like, well, what is that. call? And then you look on the field and. it's Elijah Moore, Shavers, uh you know, no Dalton Concaid, no Josh Palmer. was. hurt and you're like, "Wait a second. I. I is this is this the team that we. thought was the the class of the AFC or.

is this team going to have to fight and. crawl for everything and just put it all. on Josh's shoulders?" I do think there's. too much experience. There's too much. history and there's too much talent at. that quarterback spot for this team to. just fade away. So, to me, I have the. Bills winning the Super Bowl this year. I have not changed that pick. I still. think the Bills win the Super Bowl this. year and I think it is Josh Allen's. time. The buy could not have come at a. more perfect time for Buffalo and. they're going to come back healthier and. I would not be surprised if they come.

back scorched earth. >> What were the uh records of the teams. coming out of buy this week? >> Uh 0 and2 this week. Four and two on the. season now. >> Okay. So because they're 4-0 the first. week of buys coming back and then this. week they were 0 and2. Texans one of. those teams and then now we got the. Bills. Now we're in buy season here. It. would suck to be that first week like. the Steelers were. I mean that that. especially with how old that team is and. I don't want to, you know, call them. old, but you got a lot of old heads out. there. So that being like week five and. still having 13 more weeks on the other. that sucks. That that absolutely sucks. for them. Right now is when you get into.

the time where if it's a buy, it's like. we'll deal with it. This is a reasonable. too late not good either. N. >> cuz then you can work your ass out of. contention and not be able to catch up. >> I'm curious. Ravens out of the buy is. what is what I'm fascinated by because. >> Well, everyone is. We're all like, "Oh. yeah, there come the Ravens." But they. have been terrible, >> terrible football team. So why is it. >> here comes the Ravens? >> Lamar missed yesterday, right? I think. Lamar, they're saying Lamar's hamstring. still not good. >> Because of Wait, I thought Lamar was. going to play coming out of the buy,

which is why Lamar still and AFC North. still favorites, everything like that. We're all saying wait to hold the phone. >> early in the week. But yeah, yesterday, Monday, >> Monday though, yeah, Monday, not a lot. happening, >> but still. >> No, we'll see. I and I and I you know I. was on Get Up I think that Friday. morning after the Steelers lost and I. think we all kind of agreed like well. here come the Ravens and when everyone's. saying something it's like here comes. the Ravens why I don't why so they'll. all get healthy and we'll see but they. need to actually win these games. You. got to watch your tone, Shreks. You got.

to watch your tone, okay? With your. wise, okay? Your dog. >> Duck will be coming for you. Duck's. coming for you. >> Chuck Bagano say, "Hey, Shrek, you know. why? Cuz we're [ __ ] playing. football.". >> All right, take a nap, brother. We. appreciate your coverage and your. commitment to the game. You're the man. >> You are the best. And Sean, the Rainman. Kemp belongs on that. >> Thank you, >> gang. Rushmore, the power dunker. Let's. go. >> He might be on the final Rushmore. >> Rushmore on X available now. You're the. best, ladies and gentlemen. Peter. Strike. >> Yeah. From. Shreg's age to one of our favorite segs,

you know, we got good sex on this show. >> Mhm. >> Great sex. >> Yeah, we have good sex. >> It's all about that good sex. Yeah, that good sex. Hey, what's next? That good sex. >> Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for BS. or no BS with BA. Hey, >> we will make statements of fact that. have been said around the NFL and BA. will tell us if it's BS or if it's no.

BS. Let's start with the first one. Pittsburgh is a lock to win the AFC. North. Obviously, this is fresh off a. Thursday night loss to the Cincinnati. Bengals. They are a lock to win the AFC. North. Aaron Rogers, our quarterback. You got TJ Watt out there, DK Metaf, Cam. Hayward, F Moose, Mount Washington, and. Mike Tomlin. He always has a winning. record and they still have a winning. record and have done some special. things. Feel like they would say they're. ahead of schedule on the offensive side.

with Arty Smith and Aaron kind of. finding their groove. Pittsburgh is a. lock to win the AFC North. Is that BS or. no BSBA? >> I think that's total BS. Oh. >> yeah, cuz Mike T's worst nightmare. Joe. Flacco went to Cincinnati. >> Okay. >> Yeah, he was he was absolutely right. Ripping Andrew Barry's ass for that one. because Joe Flacco now has a winning. record against Mike Tomlin. And that's. all Jamar Chase and T. Higgins needed. was 33 targets and and a running game. All of a sudden the offensive line can.

block for Cincinnati. They couldn't. block two weeks ago. >> Ain't that interesting? >> It's crazy. All of a sudden now they're. blocking TJ. What? Highmith. those guys. did that got close to him and Joe just. lit him up. Lit him up. And he did Joe. did so many good veteran moves like for. for Jamar to get what 26 targets. A lot. of those were running plays. >> right here. >> And boom. He says, "Hey, you're 101.". >> Yeah. >> And we just call that whatever the run. was. X hot. >> Mhm. >> All right. Run a slant. Run it. But if. they're off of you, I'm just going to. throw it to you. And he's going to get.

five, six, eight, 10 every time. And Joe. Flacco veteran unknows when to do that, when not to do that. >> Every single time. Loaded box. Boom. He's one-on-one. They have a little hand. say don't run a slant or just off. coverage. I was throwing it to you. The. little single bubble screen. >> And he's what there for 10 days. That's. only going to get better. >> He's what crazy numbers for the He's. Conor, you got the numbers. >> Yeah, he he's he's got like. >> here it is. 60 for 92 for 561 yards, five touchdowns, no interceptions, and. has only been sacked three times in two.

games. >> Two games. That's crazy. They only been. there 10 days. >> Now, it's just going to get better. >> On that note, um Joe Flacco. going to the Cincinnati Bengals is. enough for them to win the AFC North. Are the Cincinnati Bengals now your. favorite to win the AFC North? Because. the statement was the Pittsburgh. Steelers are a lock to win the AFC. North. And you said that's [ __ ]. Then you went straight to a Joe Flacco. highlight package. Are you saying the. Cincinnati Bengals are your AFC North. favorites? >> I'm not saying they're favorites, but. they're a game back and they have the. tiebreaker now on the Steelers. M. >> So, it's just a matter of Steelers.

better stay ahead of the Bengals cuz the. Bengals ain't going nowhere. They're. just going to get better. >> So, you're saying it's not a lock, brother. We're just saying no locks. There ain't no locks in this business. >> Let's go to hammer. D Tone, how's it. feel to hear today? It's [ __ ]. thinking that you guys are a lock to win. the AFC North with how that season. started. >> Yeah, it it's tough because it'd be. stupid of me to argue with a Super Bowl. winning head coach. Um, you know, it's. that would be tough. But, you know, Joe. has always turned back into a pumpkin. Um, he does always have these flashes,

but uh, since the since the 2015 season, which was 10 years ago, uh, his record. is horrendous. So, I'm not worried about. the Bengals. Uh, I think Steelers will. be fine. >> Okay, that's Pittsburgh Steelers super. fan. NBA on the Bengals. >> I know it's a it's getting live. >> Hey, Joe Flacco, you ain't sneaking in. any games anymore, are you? Flaco's. ready for. >> Yeah. year 19, year 20, you're not. sneaking in there. Joe Flacco, too, just. having this aura about him of confidence. and moxy. I think that helps everybody. AJ, >> I told you he didn't sweat during the.

game. I feel like he didn't sweat and. just catch Oh, just so I just make it. look easy. Like he I don't know. You got. to show young kids that might have like. happy feet in the pocket or you know are. like just too amped up. Show them Joe. and be like I don't know how you get. this demeanor obviously through reps but. man just uh very impressive. We will see. though I guess if he can keep it up. >> Can't say this enough on the postgame. interview with Nightcap which uh. Thursday Night Football does a great job. with all of that. Joe Flacker said he. had no idea what the plays were. There's. multiple plays where he had no idea what. was going on and they still did what.

they did. Uh, obviously Cincinnati. Bengals have a chance. Let's go to the. next BS or no BS with BA debugg. >> Yeah. Talk about another team that ain't. sneaking up on anybody. The Chiefs are. the Super Bowl favorites and they should. be BS or no BS, coach. >> I think that's total BS. >> Wow. >> Bruce, >> what are you talking about? We saw brand. new Chiefs. >> They're third place in their division. They're two games behind the Chargers. and the Broncos. They got to come back. and beat a bunch of folks in their own. division to get to get to where they. want to go. Now, can they? Sure. But, uh, if they stay healthy, I just don't.

think there's any any way that there's a. lot. They're third place. They're going. to fight a long way just to get to the. top. >> Okay. So, let's talk about whenever you. see them start to be good again though, like when they start putting it. together. Rasheed Rice obviously comes. back. Added weapon for Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes looks like uh two years. ago, Patrick Mahomes, as opposed to. whenever they turned to the conservative. run game. Let's not turn the ball over. Let's let our defense do our thing. Kansas City Chiefs. They've been able to. win in a variety of different ways. throughout this dynasty. Now it looks. like Showtime Patrick Mahomes is all the. way back. Sports Books got excited as. soon as they saw a glimpse of it. He's.

the favorite for the MVP. And as soon as. they saw it, they go, "Yep, they're the. favorites to win the Super Bowl." In. your eyes, you're saying not so fast, Jack. This is going to be a tough road. in that AFC West, which Bo Knicks is in. there and only getting better and better. each week. >> Yeah. I mean, if the Chargers can get. some guys back, I mean, they've been. decimated with injuries and and you. know, they they beat them pretty good. and Denver beat them. So, um, it's going. to be a it's going to be a dog fight in. the AFC West just like a couple other. divisions. But, I mean, beating the. Raiders by 33 to nothing does that. doesn't impress me at all.

>> What? >> Beating the beating the Lions the way. they beat the Lions, that's that. impressive. >> Okay, >> that's different. Okay, now you beat a. hell of a football team at your place. Now, go on the road and do it. >> Okay, so you you said not so fast, my. friend. Say to the Kansas City Chiefs, even though all of us have fallen in. love completely. Let's go to the next BS. or no BS with BA Tai. Yeah, coach. After. last night, a lot of people are saying, "Hey, is this the Texans offense is in. trouble. Is that BS or no BS?" BS. >> That's no BS. >> This one felt like a layup.

>> a little bit. >> This is a little bit of a layup. I mean, >> I don't know what happened to CJ Strad. I mean, he was the odds on favorite to. be the them MVP for the next 10 years. after his rookie year. and with Bobby. Sloic and and everything they were doing. offensively and all of a sudden now they. obviously missed Larry Matono they. missed Joe Mixon guys that were leaders. and great players they haven't replaced. him with great players and with Nico. getting hurt I don't know who the hell. he's going to throw the ball to and they. can't run it they can't run it and and.

that's the other thing Cincinnati that. Chase Brown had 100 what 120 yards. rushing all of a sudden they couldn't. get 50 two weeks ago now they get 100. yard rusher that changes everything for. a quarterback It's crazy what a. quarterback can do. AJ, are you. completely out on the Houston Texans? Cuz I tried to watch that game both last. night and this morning. Okay, that's. been my new thing. And it was just ugly. It was hard. And I want to for I want to. say sorry to the Seattle Seahawks. I. hope they forgive me because they put on. a dominant performance, but nobody in. the East Coast was up for it. So once. again, Seattle Seahawks are kind of. getting overlooked or slept on actually.

in this entire thing. But they the. Houston Texans have not looked great. AJ, to BA's point, >> there Yeah. With how BA lays it out. Yeah, it makes you uh makes it pretty. easy to I guess to to be out on the. Texans. The only thing that keeps me in. though, that defense. I think that. defense can play at a high level all. year. And if your offense can find. something, I don't know what that might. be. You still have a chance as long as. your defense is still playing a high. level. >> Yeah, start running the ball. You. classic run the ball. All right, let's. go to the last BS or no BS with BA con. man. >> Yeah, BA. Some people think the AFC.

West, the AFC South, maybe even the NFC. West, but uh is the excuse me, the NFC. North is the best division in football. Is that BS or no BSBA? >> That's no BS right now. Now, would be. the West if the Arizona Cardinals could. figure out how to win a game at the end. >> They've lost five one score games, three. on the last play of the game, >> then everybody in that division would. have a winning record like the North. does. The Vikings are a little shaky. ground right now at three and three. And. uh but everybody in that division right.

now got a chance to play go to the. playoffs and if the Cardinals could get. it going cuz they're so close so close. each week then I say the West is the. toughest division. We all love Phoenix. Arizona. Okay, we just talked Steve. Nash's part of thing we we compliment. >> incredible place. >> We love We love Arizona as a whole. That. Cardinals team, I don't know, man. Just. feels like one of those things where. Yep. I just don't think they're going to. be good and I don't like that. I think. that but it's just kind of becoming. synonymous. And you talk about the last. play of the game and five games they're. not able to finish it. Look at the rest. of that div five and two, five and two,

five and two, two and five. I guess we. shouldn't just rule out the Cardinals. and for being bad. Maybe they're in an. incredible division, you know. >> Maybe. >> Yeah. >> Eight of their games are true. >> against three teams that could. potentially, you know, go on and win the. whole damn Super Bowl out there in the. MC West. Little cannibalism potentially. in the NFC West. And then the fact that. the NFC North now is what it is is. obviously a spectacular testament to. what the Lions have been able to do, Ben. Johnson is doing with the Chicago Bears. and obviously KOC trying to figure it.

out whenever they got quarterback. questions. >> Yeah, but to your point just about the. Cardinals, like you have that thought. towards them and maybe it's because the. Patriots played the Saints. Like I feel. better about the Saints than I do about. the Arizona Cardinals. in the in the. Saints there there's really not too much. you can look at and be like they're. great but Rattler is is kind of is kind. of electric and like Kelly Mo I. personally had no faith in Kelly Mo but. then you watch them play and it's like. oh [ __ ] they're actually like playing. their [ __ ] asses off and I'm not.

saying the Cardinals aren't doing that. they are they're in all these games it's. just they don't. >> the Saints really coming into the season. nobody had any high hopes for them. you're saying they're playing their. balls off still for them for Kelly Mo. which is good to establish the culture I. think they also have some salary cap. stuff so I think it was like a projected. couple year thing for the Saints. So, them being one and six, not a surprise. The Cardinals uh having Kyler paying. Kyler and then having another year with. Marvin Harrison Jr. and everything like. that. It's like at what point are they. going to, you know, at what point is all. the plans going to be the. >> Well, that that's that's the biggest.

thing because like it's pretty evident. after the last two weeks. I mean, like. the the Cardinals gave the Colts. everything they could, like everything. on the road, damn near beat them, and. then and then they look great against. the Packers. So, it's not. This is like I mean if you've watched. the games you Jacobe Brousette has made. them look like 10 times better of a team. than when Kyler is playing and like. that's not good when he's supposed to be. your franchise quarterback. So like if. they do want to win these games like. it's tough to they probably will go back. to Kyler but clearly Jacobe has been the. the better guy for them this year.

>> I'm a fan of Kyler Murray. Okay. Anybody. that's that athletic and that successful. in sports, I am a fan of. The amount of. time that he has had to commit to sports. throughout his life to be a top 10 pick. in baseball and a top 10 pick obviously. in football is incredibly impressive. But at this point, it's start I'm sorry. I'm wonder like what his baseball. career's been. >> a lot better than the football careers, right? I'm not saying that it can't be. still. He's still young, man. He still. got a lot of opportunity and everything. like that. But it is. >> it's crazy to think that always like. what if I wonder if he does that ever,

AJ. I wonder if he ever does that. >> Remember the whole hoopla when he was. coming out like when he was getting. drafted like the whole baseball. situation. He wouldn't really answer it. but uh yeah he was was he a top 10 pick? I know he was first round pick. >> He was top 10 pick. >> Ninth. Ninth, right? >> Yeah. >> In baseball. >> And actually like if if he wouldn't have. got drafted by the A's who are, you. know, like parentally just like kind of. a shitty franchise. Like if it would. have been one of these teams who has a. massive payroll like I wonder if that. decision might have been muddied a. little bit more. >> Yeah. Because he's got a hose, right? >> Yes. >> This guy's got an absolute hose. He's a.

great hitter, too. >> Yeah, I heard he can hit the curveball. >> Yeah, he can see it in there. >> He can also hit the fast ball. >> Yeah. Only player ever drafted first. round in both. And we've know all these. great athletes that's come through and. been able to be drafted. Like obviously, and it'll always be the what if. Even. Dion Sanders, first Battle Hall of Fame. and greatest quarterback ever. He always. talks about what if I would have. committed to baseball. I like baseball. more. Jordan, the greatest basketball. player ever, retired and went and played. baseball. So, it'll definitely always be. the what if, but I feel like it's always. the what if or it's always something.

with Arizona. We talking about being in. these games. And even if you just look. at that division as a whole, like. everybody in that division kind of could. you have excuses like San Fran, they're. injured. Most of their a lot of their. top tier players, including their. starting quarterback, hurt. New head. coach, new quarterback, knew a bunch of. things in Seattle. LA coming into last. year, nobody had them on the radar to go. as far as they did. But every year these. coaches and these teams, they find a way. to win and and we always say in the NFL, you are what your record is. You know,

it's a one possession league. We know. that it's a lot of games that come close. to it. Will that quarterback and team. marriage happen? We all remember the. contract and the language that was in. college contract that made a big stink. about it. I think they changed it, but. uh it's always going to be that what if. I I'm very interested to see how it. plays out, but I think we all can kind. of see what's coming down the track. Yeah, because I mean they took Seattle. and San Francisco to the last play of. the game. >> and lose on a kick and it's just really. one bounce of the ball and they they. could be four and three. Yeah. And in.

the hunt and uh. >> so that they're not a bad football team. and and I I do agree they're playing. better with Jacobe. I mean Jacobe is is. he knows where he's going. He's lighting. it up and uh I don't know where they go. when Kyler kid's healthy. >> Oh, that seemed like pretty deep. They. paid him a lot of money now. Jacob's. great leader. When Jacobe was a backup. quarterback here for the Indianapolis. Colts, I think he was one calling team. meetings. I think he comes from the. Parcels uh tuna tree of leadership and. everything like that. We are big fans of. Jacobe around here. I was trying to get. him the MVP, but for the Indianapolis.

Colts now, I don't think, you know, he's. necessarily winning one of BA's game. balls. Okay, we started this seg last. week. Who are your two Game Award. winners, BA, from week seven of the NFL. football season? >> Well, the first one for me is a. no-brainer. That's Joe Flacco. I love. it. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What he did in that game on Thursday. night and again only been there 10 days, not knowing half the damn plays and uh. and just lighting up what what is a. great defense and the Steelers and uh. >> to have 33 targets to those two guys is.

amazing. >> I think what else is amazing BA coach. for the Steelers for a long time. You. hear the way he's talking about him. >> Tomlin obviously Steelers long time. You. hear the way he's talking about the only. people that aren't talking about Joe. Flackle like this are people that didn't. have to play his ass two times a year or. whatever. It was really uh. >> really important, right? >> Cuz he can still spin it, man. And then. NFC is Christian McCaffrey. I mean, boy, there's a hell of an argument right now. who the best back in the NFL is. We. talked about Bejan a lot last week and. you saw Jamar Gibbs last night, but man, Christian McCaffrey, he never goes away.

I mean, 63% of their offense was him. >> Yes, that was a record for the year, actually, most by one player on a team. for any of the teams this year. He's on. pace to have, I think, like 1,200 both. rushing and receiving. This is exactly. what they were missing last year when. Christian McCaffrey got hurt four g uh. four days before the g game started. What do you think, Christian? Can he. continue this? Can this be a year-long. thing for Christian McAffrey? >> Yeah, as long as those guys up front. stay healthy. Now they got kiddo back, who's one of the best blocking tight. ends and receiving tight ends and and.

all those guys, if they just stay. healthy, they can start getting a couple. wide receivers back. All right. M. Jones. is carrying him right now, playing his. ass off. Whoa, whoa, whoa. All right, but Brock Party will be back soon. Okay. >> Okay. Do you think that's a potential? >> No, I think I think they're sold on. Brock. >> 200 million or something like that. >> Yeah, that's that's a lot of cash. >> That is a lot of cash. Good thing that. Max's getting him wins though. And. obviously when Brock Party comes back, we'll be excited to see him. But that is. an interesting situation brewing. >> Yeah. On the.

>> which is a good one, by the way, not a. bad. >> I got to give John Lynch credit, man. He's had a hell of a backup quarterback. for the two last two or three years. You. know, went got Sam. They've always got a. a guy that's either number one pick or. first round pick as the backup. >> Yeah, he's franchise quarterback maker. out there. John Lynch, you know, like. Sabin would have coaches come into his. tree. They'd get a head coaching gig. Obviously, Baker Mayfield's turning. offensive coordinators into head. coaches. Might do that again this year. And then John Lynch, you come in as a. backup quarterback. Kyle Shanny coming. in as a backup quarterback. You're going. to go take over a franchise after this. You're welcome. Congratulations. That's.

a beautiful thing to be having over. there. >> Yeah, incredible. And having CMC to kind. of wrap the whole thing together is even. better. Uh, KD said Shanahan told the. entire team like, "Hey, the game plan is. Christian McAffrey. This is going to be. a Christian McCaffrey game." Like, what. does that mean when you're a head coach. telling your team something like that? >> It's fivestar game, baby. >> Yep. >> And the five stars, he's getting the. rock every way we can get it to him. And. uh they are they're they're struggling. at wide receiver, you know, and having. KD back help, but man, he put on a show. in this game. It was fun to watch. They.

haven't been able to run the ball all. year really till this game is that. >> kiddo makes a big When you can block the. edge, it just changes the whole running. game whatsoever. If you're stuck between. the tackles and they can condense you. all day long, but when you can block the. edge, stretch it, and hit the middle, that's hard to defend. >> The fivestar game is uh one of BA. speeches. You know, there's five stars, there's the other guys. Okay, sometimes. the five stars kind of counter each. other. Okay, this ain't about the five. stars. They're all going to kind of. counteract each other. you other guys.

going to have to win this [ __ ] game. Okay, that is the speech. And then. whenever it's a fivestar game, it's. like, hey, our guys are better than. their guys. Our guys got to go win the. game. Pretty simple strategy and uh. motive and the message gets through very. clear to the team. It's like, all right, these are the guys. We'll continue. digitally. We have an entire. conversation with the state of the NBA. with commissioner Adam Silver and also. more breakdown of the news. That's AJ. I'm Pat. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. I think it was off like half a second. Um, and on that note, I feel like we.

really hit a home run there. You did. We. were covering something. Not just me. We. were covering something there until. about 17 seconds before the hard out. That was great work by you. But yeah, you're a TV host. >> You are. >> Did you know that? >> You're a TV host out here, brother. You're killing it. Absolutely. Crushing. We're giving out game balls to people. >> Love it, >> bro. You. >> How about this Joe Flacco [ __ ]. >> It's the best thing ever. >> It really is. We are fans of Joe Flacco. >> Yes. >> Oh, yeah. So, like we obviously love. everything that's happening. Let's go to. hammer time. Tone, whenever uh Joe.

Flacco gets traded to the Cincinnati. Bengals, your immediate reaction was to. tie to stop being so dramatic. It's not. the Sunday game that's the problem. It's. the Thursday game that is going to be. the problem. That was certainly the case. for the Pittsburgh Steelers. But as. Pittsburgh Steelers fans, you don't have. the same fear that it sounds like. Steelers coaches have of the big bad Joe. Flacco coming in and doing his thing in. the AFC North? No, because I mean I've. watched him turn the ball over a million. times to the Steelers in the playoffs. and and he. >> he never had Jamar and T though. He. never he never thrown a Jamar and T.

>> I didn't know that. That's a good point. I I just I just realized that. So yeah, I am worried then. [Music]. >> Sounds like he's a little bitter about. it. >> Yeah, >> I think he might be a. >> lot of arrows headed up there at Andrew. Barry. Man, what the [ __ ] are you doing? And Andrew Barry's like, that's why I. did it. Pittsburgh's up in arms. >> Sorry about it. I'd rather screw the. Browns than help the Bengals. This. Excuse me. [ __ ] the Steelers. The The. Browns are all about [ __ ] the. Steelers. All right. It ain't got.

nothing to do. The Bengals, they're our. buddies. They're down They're down the. road down there. Hey, let's help them. [ __ ] the Steelers. >> Okay. It does feel like that was kind of. the move, right? Oh, yeah. >> And it it started with paying Miles. Garrett $40 million. starts of paying a. quarterback $230 million, then trading a. starter in the division just to try to. take down the It does feel like there is. a little bit of a uh from ownership down. to Andrew Barry. Hey, if you want to if. it grinds the gears a little bit of the. Pittsburgh Steelers, we're okay with. that. That is okay. And once again, that's great for football. If two cities.

are doing that to each other, we love. every That's AFC North football. literally in a nutshell. >> Yeah. Another great uh kind of in this, you know, conversation when it comes to. quarterbacks like this. I mean, Andy. Dalton going for the Panthers at home. against Buffalo after he Andy Dalton got. Buffalo into the playoffs all those. years ago by beating the Ravens and not. to mention Brandon Bean and most of. their front office comes from Carolina. Like the older quarterback like Joe. Flacco, Aaron Rogers, and Andy Dalton.

are starting football games in 2025 next. week. Like that is insane to think. about. >> It's a great time to be alive, man. >> All right, let's get to a break. On the. other side, we'll talk about all the. story lines we haven't chatted about. And then we'll also launch our. conversation with Adam Silver in a state. of the NBA. Almost 40 minutes. AJ, we. took up this guy's life. >> Yeah, I heard you saying he uh you. weren't sure that he knew that's what he. was getting into. >> No chance. >> He had he's got an idea. He's been on. the show before. He's got an idea. >> He mentioned in there, thank you guys. for keeping me around so long. >> Yeah, you mentioned that in there. It.

was like a little bit of a. >> How many people you think were like. behind the camera signaling them? >> Six. I'm saying there was six people. >> That's the over. >> Five and a half. >> Yeah. Yeah. At least a handful for sure. >> I'll take the over. >> The commissioner of the league. >> You got a social expert in there. Social. media expert. Branding experts in there. >> Tech audio person. >> Two two assistants keeping them on. schedule. >> Camera person. >> Oh, you're right. So that's probably. eight, nine. Yeah. >> Oh, the line was five and a half. Well, look at these.

>> It is easy to use once you start using. it. >> It's everywhere. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's sitting right there. It's a pretty. good little thing. I'll tell you what, these youngs, not bad. >> I get it. >> The olds. Jeez, I had a morning with. them. Me and the olds, a battle as old as. time. >> Mhm. >> The old whites, they have a certain look. about them. Ba ear muffs. They look a. lot like him. >> Oh, yeah. big time.

>> I like him. These people that hate me. and have for my entire life. I. appreciate that. I do. That's good to. know. You just kind of stand in there. And then there's other people that It's. not just them that hate you, brother. Oh, I know. I see you all. But I just. want to let you know the olds have been. around for a long time with me. It's. been a good battle. It's been a good. joust. >> Welcome to the club, brother. >> All right. We'll see you. >> All right. We'll see you guys on the. other side. Be a friend. Tell a friend. something nice. Goodbye.

>> Jack, you got anything to say to the. team here? >> Oh man, you guys keep crushing and. firing everybody up. It's bigger than. you guys and you guys are the freaking. best. >> Boom. >> Thank you. >> That's amazing. >> Yes. >> God damn it. I needed that. >> I got back in shape. The best shape of. my life. I felt like I just throw people. through walls. Oh [ __ ] What's. happening? I don't know. [Music].

What the [ __ ] is this? >> We interrupt your regular programming. with breaking news. >> We have reports of a UAP approaching. Indianapolis. They have messaged to. officials they are coming to take over. the world. >> Government agencies have been alerted. that they plan to land and activate. Earth's Armageddon switch. >> This is literally the scariest situation. imaginable. A true doomsday scenario. Please stay calm, seek shelter. immediately, and pray to whatever god or. higher power you believe in.

>> Was that what landed here? >> I think Indianapolis. What? So that. can't be. >> We got to go find these [ __ ]. >> Yeah, >> that's what we need to do. >> I think that sounds like something you. should Jack car. >> I don't know. We need to. >> Let's go. Come on. Let's go. I don't. know. Let's go. Yeah. [Music].

[ __ ] these pieces of [ __ ]. >> Oh, there it is. That [ __ ] It's. here. It's here. It's the button. >> Yeah, it is. >> Hey, do you have a rifle? No, I got something better. I got. something better. >> Jack, I've been saving this.

>> What? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> What is this thing? This Ask for a. rifle. What is this? >> Yeah, it uh it kills aliens. Yeah, I. bought it online. Deep web. >> That's certainly convenient for us. All. right, here we go. >> Hey, you be my spotter. >> Oh my god. It'll be my honor. Let's go. kill these. [ __ ] Let's do this. >> Where are they? >> I don't know. I think they're coming. Yeah. Looks like they might be coming. from right over here. >> Yeah. Yeah. Looks like I see the [ __ ]. ship. What's going They're not going to. get to that button, Jackie. >> Nope. They will not get to that button.

>> Is that one of them? >> Yeah. Black helmet, car heart, khaki. He's walking right at you. Go ahead and. pepp. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's it, Jack. Carr. That's it, Jack Carr. You killed. that son of a [ __ ]. >> Oh, there's another one. He looks the. exact same. A little taller. A little. bit more awkward. >> Little more awkward. Yeah. Yeah. He's in.

the same spot, though. Go ahead and get. him. Go ahead, get him. Yeah, there he. is. Good hit, Jack. >> Two down. Two down. >> Two dead aliens. Not on our watch. Oh, he came down backwards. This one's. showing you his back. No respect. >> No respect. Kind of a disrespectful. alien here as he drags his carcass. around. Looks different. Oh, all three.

of them stacked up. Jack car slaying. aliens. Oh, there's one more. >> It's a big one. >> Oh, he looks like an eater. >> He is an eater. >> Oh, man. >> This must be their supreme commander. Look at the size. He's looking at you, Jack. He's coming at you, Jack. He's. coming at us. Get his big ass, Jack. Burp. B. This guy trying to take down.

our planet. Go the [ __ ] out. That's it, Jack. Go back to where you came from, you sack. of [ __ ]. [Music].

>> Hey, good work, dude. >> Amazing. >> That was awesome day. >> I mean, they were going to [ __ ] come. in here. I mean, they just popped up and. then you just shot him right in the. [ __ ] head. >> I don't know. Good thing we saw that. newscast when we did. >> Well, that's the that's why they did the. live alert. >> I don't know. Did we know that? But. that's still. >> I feel like that should have been. disclosed when we bought this place. >> The legit. >> Let's go in and talk to the boys. >> Amazing. Let's do it. >> What a life you live, >> man. I'm just glad you had this rifle. and I had those binos. What are the odds. of that? >> I mean, I could see them.

>> Good thing I carry those with me. everywhere I go. >> The big one at the end really ate some. [ __ ] paint. Yeah. I feel like he. stopped somewhere on the way in after a. snack. >> Yes, he did. Yes, he did. >> Are we Are we good? >> What do you think, boys? [ __ ] Jack. Cars here.

[Applause]. If that's not enough reason to buy his. new book, I don't know what is. [ __ ]. just saved the earth and nobody would. have known about it if it didn't just so. happen to happen right here with all. these cameras. >> Thank you, Jack Carr. >> Thank you, Jack Carr. >> Thank you, Jack. >> Thank you, Jack. >> Thanks, guys. >> Thank you, guys. >> Three time world saver Jack Carr has. done it again. We're all mind blown that.

a global attack always seemingly happens. when Jack Carr comes to the Thunderdome. But boy, we're thankful he's always. there to save us all. On that note, Jack. Carr's new book, Cry Havoc, is available. now. It's a Vietnam era thriller in the. eighth installment of the multiple time. New York Times bestselling series, Terminal List. Hell yeah, Jack Carr. Hell yeah. >> Hey, what? Let's go.

>> This show sticks and the fact that you. listen, we are very, very thankful. >> McAfee on the line with a gorgeous. assist. >> The alltime leading tackler for the. Green Bay Packers. You pick. Damn it. >> Your friend tell a friend something nice. could change their life. [Music]. Hello beautiful people and welcome back. to our humble boat. The Thunderdome on. this BA day October 21st 2025 hour three.

of the program begins now. football. >> That's 47year uh football coach BA uh. obviously with a great cadence there. That's AJ Hawk. You know, we haven't. talked about it, so I think now is a. good time to talk about it. AJ's hair. looks cool. >> It does. >> AJ, your hair looks cool. Have you. figured out what you're going to do? Is. this what you're going to do with it. going forward? Because you used to be. scalp to straight back. Then you changed.

your face completely with a whole new. we're growing this thing out. Thought. maybe you were going back to draft. hawker. Going back to all time leading. tackler for the Packers Hawker, long. hair. Then you start shaping a little. bit. We want to let you know we think it. looks very good. You should be. incredibly confident with what's going. on on your head right now. >> Oh, thank you. Yeah, I don't know. Who. knows? I haven't put much thought into. it. Just get a little little low fade. now and we'll see what happens. Who. knows? >> I like that. Age. Got a barber. You got. a routine. You got low fade. Shave the. face up a little bit. Huh? Live your. life.

>> Yeah, of course. I I mean, you you I. know you've been shaving your face. lately. That's a thing now. A new thing. for you. Do you actually use like a. razor like old like like our dads used. to do back in the day? >> No, I got that metal uh the uh foil. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, the the zero foil. >> Yeah, I use hair clip. I just use hair. clippers on mine. >> I used to use the hair clippers just. straight across. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I used to do that, but it was. always like a little stabby. This one. gets it down to like your baby's baby. fresh, you know, smooth in there. Could. do it in the shower, too. Take that. thing into the shower. Goes like that.

Tough to get some spots as a new shaver. Not really. This is very difficult here. It's kind I don't know how you guys do. it. I'm gonna be honest. I still yet to. accomplish it. And every once in a while. there'll be like a 700 p.m. shadow, not. even a 5:00 shadow in both my jaws. Then. I start thinking to myself, wait, does. it actually give me a little bit more of. a jawline in my shading myself shadows? >> Yeah. By adding the sh So then I started. telling myself, don't even worry about. shaving it. And then I started looking. like an [ __ ] So it's a whole new. it's a whole new world for me doing the.

shaving, but I am uh I'm enjoying the. process. I do like it. I mean, never. doing it before. It like kind of gives. once I become a fat ass again post. holidays. Probably won't see you see the. beard be back. But right now, it's been. nice to have a little baby face to talk. to tables here at Boston Connor at Ty. Schmidt. Con man, basketball starts this. season. Good luck to your Celtics and uh. good luck to all the boys trying to go. ahead and get to the top of the. Commissioners Cup first and then to the. NBA title at the end of the season. >> Yeah, it'll be cool for the other teams. Uh, I think for both of us, both the. Pacers and the Celtics, it's a little.

bit of a we'll see what happens type. season. But like Kevin Durant on the. Rockets, I am pumped to see what that's. all about tonight. I think that'll be. pretty sweet. And then, you know, the. other one with Jimmy Butler, Jimmy. Butler full season with Golden State. tonight. It'll kind of be the start of. their new era with those guys. It'll be. a good season. >> There's the odds on favorite, the. Oklahoma City Thunder, who are the. reigning champions or the favorites to. do again. They paid everybody that was. on their team. They're all back. And. obviously Oklahoma City has proven to be. an incredible homecourt advantage as. well with the way they got it going. Plus 200 to win the championship. Cavs.

plus 650, Nugs, Knicks, Rockets, Lakers, Clippers, Timberwolves, Orlando Magic, and the Warriors round out the top 10. And the Celtics still sitting there. pretty because they got Missoula and. they just put on a clinic against the. media, the coaches. >> Yeah, if you're going to bet on them, it's kind of a cash out situation. You. can get them at really good odds there. from Missoula and Jaylen Brown will help. him, you know, win a bunch of games, then Tatum will come back and those odds. will change drastically. So, you should. bet on it and then cash out of it. >> Yeah, they're talking about Tatum coming. back. Crazy cuz the initial reports like.

he's done, he's done, he's done, he's. done. And he's like, I never said that. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Wow. >> That is crazy. >> How many How many months would the. playoffs be? Sorry. How many months. would the playoffs be from post surgery? >> Uh, from post surgery. Yeah, it'd be. Yeah, 10 11 months, I think. >> All right. >> I think was the number I saw was 10. months. I cuz I'm watching it obviously. cuz Tyrese is like two months behind. M. so like what was you know like uh. daughter's 2 years old when out and. about you see a kid and the kid's like 3. years old I've always asked like hey how. old is your child here three okay so I'm.

watching okay so that's where she's. headed to you know because there's like. little steps in that whole thing same. thing with Tyrese and Tatum I'll see. something a video come out of Tatum I'm. like okay immediately call Tyrese hey. >> how are we working on getting to. standing dunking like Tatum is able to. do right now he's like yeah I'm moving. you know so He's probably chasing that. as well. I assume they're in constant. contact. But it's crazy with the. Achilles that it's still just assumed. like, hey, you're going to be out for a. long time. And I think the worst part of. it is you can move a little bit. And. that's like a part of the problem. Like.

no, you you really can't. And we're. seeing Aaron kind of come back from now. like two years later. >> Kevin Durant was able to bounce back. quick, I think, is what everybody kind. of hopes for, especially as an older. player, superstar player, and he. continued that that level. The Achilles. is difficult though. I think it's a. tough one, obviously. >> Absolutely. especially for these big. guys who got to run on [ __ ] hardwood. for however many games a year. But with. those odds, I'm surprised the Mavericks. are so low without we know Kyrie, you. know, he he'll be he won't be starting. off the season healthy, but number one. pick. You got Anthony Davis there. You.

got some depth and are they behind the. Boston Celtics? Am I saying that. correct? Yeah. >> Longer odds than the Celtics surprising. once again Missoula will take Cooper. flag and I mean he'll break his back and. choke him out if you Yeah. Jaylen Brown. He said if him and Jaylen Brown were. getting in a fight, who would win? He'd. say, "Oh, I don't know because we both. die." Because I'm not dying alone. >> Okay. >> He'd be one seat. NBA coaches, I think, one seat. >> Oh, yeah. >> Interesting. Carile has real killer. vibes, though.

>> Yes. >> Yeah. He he would kind of the McDonald. feel. >> Sure. >> Uh Missoula's out there. JJ Reic. >> Yeah. Bit of a dog. JJ Reic will fight. till death. >> I think if we had to put a. >> I'm guessing coach Spo is just very. scrappy. >> Yeah. >> No team in USA coach. Uh so I would hope. that he would be willing to go till you. know. I think we're get we don't give. enough credit to the toughness of. basketball players. Let's not get crazy. Okay. Let's not get let's not outdo. ourselves here. But I think there is a. little bit more to that league than just.

a bunch of divas that don't work hard. And I'm thankful for this season to get. going and maybe the Pacers are able to. figure it out. Obviously coach BA is. here. There's some news coming out of. the NFL world because the owners are. having their meetings right now, which I. don't think we knew about. We should. have been on top of that. We apologize. Woody Johnson was asked about the state. of the Jets and the state of his head. coach, Aaron Glenn, in his first year. here. And obviously, as you recall, Aaron Rogers uh this past offseason, flew from Los Angeles to New Jersey to. meet with the new head coach and GM. And.

the way he tells the story is that thing. ended before it even started. Aaron. Glenn said, "We're going a different. direction." and basically kicked him out. of the building. And Aaron said, "What. the [ __ ] I fly out here for?" He could. have told me this on the phone. Now, Aaron Glenn, obviously, after a rough. start with the New York Jets, is getting. a lot of heat, a lot of conversation. Woody Johnson was tasked with asking. some questions or answering some. questions. Here's what he had to say. from Tom Rock at News Day Sports. >> What's your confidence level in Aaron to. turn it around? >> Well, he's turn it looks like he's.

turning around parts of it. you know, it's hard when you have a quarterback. with, you know, with a rating that uh. that we've got, you know, is I mean, he. has the ability, but something just is. not jing. But if you look at any any head coach of. the quarterback like that, you're going. to see similar results if you across the. league. You have to play consistently. with, you know, at that position and uh. and that's what we're going to try to do. for the remainder of the season. So, so.

what so what gives you hope then hope? >> I just think defense special teams are. doing better. Defense is pretty good. >> and. if we can just complete a pass it would. look good. You know, we got to complete. some pass. You got to convince them that. you can do something. Otherwise, it's. hard to have uh you know have a a game. that uh you could win. >> What do you say to the fans who've lost. hope? I mean, I know it's early. >> So, yeah.

What do you want this guy to do? Our. quarterback stinks. Okay. Is kind of. what he. >> vote of confidence there for the QB. Man, that's tough. >> Paid him 20 million a year. You got to. be able to just complete a a pass, you. know, like that is something you got to. be able to give confidence to the. coaches in calling it and we appreciate. that in real time being reported from. the owner's meetings. But yeah, I I. appreciate the fact that Woody Johnson's. like, "You guys think Aaron Glenn's. problem? [ __ ] look at the quarterback. that I paid $20 million a year after we. kicked Aaron Rogers out of here." That's. an interesting dilemma, but I think it.

is the truth that we're all kind of. seeing with this Jets team, but it's. tough coming from ownership is probably. how Justin Fields is feeling. >> Yeah. I I guess what were expectations. for the Jets coming into this year? Like, okay, somehow if they would have. if they had won one or two games so far. this year, would we be okay and people. wouldn't be questioning his job or what? >> Paid Garrett Wilson, uh, paid Justin. Fields 20 million, paid Sauce Gardner, have a good defense. Aaron Glenn's. coming in, we assume, with a brand new. mindset for the entire building. They. were obviously very focused on turning. that place around and trying to become a.

contender and a winner. And then it's. just same old Jets stuff, I think, is. what Jets fans would say. But I would. like to say, okay, even though Aaron. Rogers Tuesday was something that we. were very lucky to be a part of, we. didn't mind Aaron Glenn moving on from. Aaron Rogers. We we didn't mind the. decision to kind of go ahead and have. your own team. Uh so I think it's going. to take a couple years obviously to have. to change a culture at a place, but I. think everybody was hoping that they'd. be able to do it quicker. What are your. thoughts on what Woody Johnson said. there about the reality of the Jets. seat? >> It's it's going to be hard to go in that.

locker room right now as the owner and. uh and look at your quarterback if he's. still the quarterback. I I would think. they're going with Tyrod Taylor the rest. of the year. >> Yeah. >> I mean after that. >> after that for sure. Tyrod just about. beat the Bucks a couple weeks ago down. in Tampa. Last second field goal when. the Bucks win. The the Jets are close. They're they're getting closer and I. like what what he said. defense, special. teams, they're doing better job, but. they gota let Tyrod go the rest of the. year. >> Rap Sheet reported another quote coming. from Woody. I do believe in Aaron. If I.

were a player, I'd respond to him. There's no BS. There's no agendas. Aaron. Glenn's trying to bring a whole new. culture to the Jets. How do you feel. about what just happened there, D? >> Uh, I mean, that was tough to hear to. hear that from like everything BA said, it would be tough. I mean, it's the he's. the owner of the team, so he's not going. anywhere. But speaking on your. quarterback like that, the guy you just. paid, that's rough. But to you guys'. point, the defense have given up what 13. points backtoback week. So that's. something to build on. And defense at. some point that's going to wear the bad. offense is going to wear on your defense. as well. So they got to figure it out.

offensively. And this it's been a [ __ ]. show in New York for a long long time. I. don't know who was recording this kid, but somebody caught this poor kid. walking out of a Jets game and he was. like, "Man, I'm I'm I was born in this. [ __ ] I'll be a Jets fan for the rest of. my life, but it it's it's horrible." And. that's been the state of the Jets for a. long long time. So, it'll take some time. to figure it out, but uh at this point. uh what's today's date? October 21st. I. still believe in Aaron Glenn. Uh I'll. give him some time. We'll see. >> Me, too. Me, too. AJ, you. >> Yeah, you got the guy. You got to have.

at least a season and an offseason to. figure things out. Yeah, that was. >> We need a little bit more of those. >> That was sick. >> We need a little bit more of those, you. know, but we've seen this team, >> this organization suck the soul out of. somebody. Robert Solid didn't smile for. five years, okay? and he was the guy. that was all the way over the field for. the San Francisco 49ers and he's back. So, I like seeing that for Aaron Glenn, but he knew what he was signing up for. He took the New York Jets coaching job. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Okay. He he knew exactly what he was. signing up for. You would assume. And uh.

Tyrod Taylor, much like Joe Flacco, >> he'll do it. And there's a reason why. he's still in the league right now. Like. everybody talks about these older. players. Oh, why they have these older? Because these [ __ ] are good at. football. Like, and they also know a lot. about it. So, if the Jets are able to. somehow maintain on the offensive side. and their defense and special teams are. able to do some [ __ ] Aaron Glenn steals. some wins, goes into the offseason, everything's on the up and up, let's. find our quarterback for the future. Let's go ahead and do this. And the Jets. fans will all be all the way back. Michael Cole, yeah, we got our culture.

back. We're a tough team. You see, Aaron. Glenn, that's. >> And then I I fear, >> you're right. >> Then I fear that next year comes and. then all of a sudden it'll be some new. [ __ ] that they'll figure out. And that's. what Jets fans fear as well. There's. just always some new [ __ ] that's going. to come down from the clouds and rain on. the New York Jets success is how Jets. fans feel. That's going to be a tough. culture to change, brother. That's going. to be a tough culture. >> It takes it takes some time. I'm. wondering how's Greenie doing? Is. Greenie all right? Like have we checked. on him lately with the Jet? Did he just. completely just give up? I.

>> think he's packed it in. >> Yeah. This is normal. This is normal. jokes. >> Could you imagine him listening to that. Woody Johnson quote there for the first. time? >> Yeah. Do we have to say that? I don't. know if we have to say that. You know, like there's some things we probably. don't have to say publicly, but I guess. that's one of them that we just need to. let fly as the ownership of the New York. Jets, which a lot of people have brought. into question. You know, a lot of people. have said ownership is part of the. problem. And we're not going to say that. this particular answer is part of the. problem, but we do know you're not. hearing other owners throw the. quarterback under the bus in most. situations. >> Certainly not. >> So, that's uh certainly an outlier.

>> Yeah. And that's the thing about when. they signed Fields. It wasn't like, oh, this is stupid. Like, Fields won a bunch. of games for the Steelers last year. So, you kind of thought that they were going. to go with the running offense, drain. the clock, and then, you know, turns out. they're trying to throw it and they can. And, you know, maybe this is an MCDC. umbrella type thing. They any really, really poopy organization you go to, it's going to take some time. Ben. Johnson would be the outlier cuz, you. know, that setup was kind of perfect for. them. >> We also probably should have known when. multiple people came on the show and. they said that the Jets formula for. winning every game was like, "Hey, they.

got to win 13-10 every single week.". Like, they got to play from ahead. They're if they're down by 10 points, they're going to be screwed cuz they. can't, you know, throw the ball the way. that they're going to want. It's like. the NFL is not like that. We had teams. scoring 30 to 40 points every week. So, it wasn't exactly a stroke of confidence. going into the season, but it's New. York, so you know, people get excited. >> How's Grainy feeling? Well, we have some. tweets from him during games. For the. second consecutive week, Aaron Glenn. chose to let the half end without. attempting a Hail Mary. With a team that. didn't score a touchdown in either game,

it's inexcusable. Hashtagjets. Seems. like Grainy's already on his way out of. this whole thing and Woody Johnson's. reading his tweets. I agree, man. But. what what do you want him to do? The guy. can't complete a pass. The guy can't You. think we're gonna do a Hail Mary? Every. throw is a Hail Mary. We're running. bubble screens and we're calling them. Hail Marys over there with Justin. Fields. Good luck to the Jets and Justin. Fields. Don't worry about it. He's. paying you. Check with cash. >> When's the last time Jets have been like. good sustain? I know Rex. >> September 11th, 2023. >> Yes. Mhm.

>> First four games or four plays. Do you. remember that? >> I do. >> The entrance. Mhm. >> Mhm. That was sweet. >> They were good. >> Yeah. Were they good? >> Yeah. It was Fitz Magic. Uh 2015. Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker. That was. the last time I think they won 10 games. or nine games and it was Todd Bulls, I. think. >> How about you during your 47 years of. coaching? 27 in the NFL. How many of. those decades were the Jets like good? >> Two at least. Do you remember like a. >> and then. >> Curtis Martin.

had a little run. >> Curtis Martin all those guys and uh. Vinnie. >> Rex Ryan. >> Rex Ryan took. >> we played him in the championship game. in Pittsburgh. >> Um. >> yeah we played. >> Doug O'Brien missed that field goal. >> Oh yeah. Who? >> It was Herm Edwards. Yeah. >> Who who missed the field goal? >> Doug O'Brien. Doug Bryan. >> I remember him. He was kicker for the. Saints and it was up at the at Jets and. uh it was like 10 below zero and and we. end up winning that game. >> Rex Ryan had them rolling.

side. >> I think that was Herm. I think Herm was. the head coach that year. >> So. >> Herm Edwards. >> So you need somebody that's pretty, you. know, feels like have to take on that. entire thing. You talk about Herm. obviously very. >> uh what would that. >> why you play the game, baby. >> Extrovert. I mean he he's a good. extrovert. Uh Rex Ryan obviously big. time extrovert. Aaron Glenn has a lot of. dog mentalities. Feels like that might. be the style of coach that you need to. be able to win at the Jets. That Rex. Ryan run was fun. >> That was a fun time. >> That was ground and pound ground and.

pounding defense. They had a great. defense weekend and weekend. That was. the year actually as a p that was second. year was 14 and two and they came the. can't wait that moment. They came in New. England won and then went to the AFC. championship. But you know that was a. few years and then you talked about the. Curtis Curtis Martin and that era back. then. But like as far as like sustain, you know, the Giants, you know, they had. they have a run now where it's been a. [ __ ] show, but we all can remember when. the Giants won a couple Super Bowls, did. their things are like the Jets, man. It's been a long long time.

>> On that note, Nick Mangled pulling for. you, brother. >> Yeah, Nick, >> I know uh we shouldn't like expect. updates all the time. I think next. update could come in like uh November, I. think is what he said. For the next. month or so, he has to go through. diialysis. I think we'll get a heads up. in November. Uh we're obviously Hey, Nick, we love you, dude. We absolutely. love you. And I think from this all. there's going to be incredible awareness. of like what organ donors or donor uh. being a donor can do for other people's. lives. Obviously, Nick, but many others.

that are currently waiting for anything. in the hospital. So, uh we love you, Nick. Nick was a great thing for the. Jets. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> He was the leader. That that was the. only player for a while for New England. It's like, well, the Jets suck, but they. do have Nick Mangled. And then when. Sanchez and you know, Chris Ivory and. those boys started running and going to. those AFC Championships. >> Fenica. >> Yeah. Fanica. Yeah. >> Oh, I forgot about Fanica. Break it all. together. Yeah. >> Woody. >> Well, yeah. Damian Woody, right, was. also on that team. Here's how you can.

help Nick Mangled. You can scan that QR. code or go to. columbombiaurgery.org/kidney-transplant. uh sign up at the link and then you'll. get some tests to see what your blood. type is and then they'll let you know. who you can help whether it's Nick. Bangled or many others that are looking. for any type of help and uh just kind of. waiting literally for somebody to help. them save their lives. Nick Bangle is. one of those people with type O blood. There are many others as well. Hopefully. that story will inspire people to give. back. Now before we run the Adam Silver.

conversation um which is great, we have to do some sort of giveaway, don't we? Do we have to do some sort of. giveaway? BJ, >> is BA going to putt again? Cuz I mean, we that was a flawless performance. >> I don't know if we should have BA do. anything after the four putts ever. again. You know, it's kind of difficult. for this to target. >> Yeah. First day of NBA, we could have. the bone pro maybe or one of DB Bone and. Butt to maybe shoot one of the Uball. shots. >> Okay. Bone and Butt team. Yeah. Put them. out. >> Yeah. Bone and Butt team. Uh when was. the last time you guys played with Bone.

and Butt? When did you guys last week? >> Play Wednesday. We didn't play. yesterday. You guys, you know, duck the. smoke yesterday. Yeah, I had some things. to figure out. Got a lot going on in. life right now. A lot of business. >> Debbound. Throwing a ball is the right. way to do this. >> Hell yeah. B. >> Hey, uh, Debbound, will you please step. out here to the Uball court in the. middle of the Thunderdome. You, uh, your. presence is a necessity at this point. for a giveaway. Now, Debbone is a. champion of Uball in the past. He is not. currently the champion. That. championship basketball obviously.

resides right here on uh, my desk down. there uh, down left right there. It is a. bedazzled uh ball which is certainly. fantastic. Shout out to the NBA sending. it. Boom. Right there. >> Boom. That is a bedazzled ball. That is. perfect for the U ball title. Actually, that would be a U ball if it wouldn't. shatter if we were to shoot it. Somebody. took a lot of time on that. We are very. grateful for the NBA sending that to us. Is currently uh me and Foxy's you. >> Okay. So, as it's one it'll move. >> Yeah, it'll move. Yeah, it'll move. Nice.

>> Probably not though, like because me and. Fox have got it figured out. Would. Debbone have it figured out? Will he be. able to win 25 people $500? Coach, will. you please give Debbone a D3 national. champion offensive lineman? Little maybe. words of encouragement before he. attempts the impossible, which is make. one Uball shot from the opposite free. throw line. Go ahead, coach. >> Okay. Now, brother, we had this uh. opportunity not long ago. Never know you. didn't get that opportunity. >> Mhm. >> Make the best of it, my man. >> Boom. We only have right now. Debbone 25.

people could win. Let it fly. Take a deep breath, says. coach B. >> Shoot any of them. >> Uh, what's that? >> Nope. >> No, he throws. >> He only throws them. That's okay. >> Foot's not on the line. Jesus Christ. >> Why don't you. [ __ ]. >> That's my partner. >> Count it. Count it. Count it. >> 25 winners of $500. All you got to do is. repost that miracle. >> Wow. Go buy a lottery ticket right now.

>> Say something nice to somebody and put. the easiest way to pay you. Debo, that. was spectacular. >> Wow. >> If you were playing against me and Foxy, the champs, we would have batted that. [ __ ] or dunked that [ __ ] so quick. But. for the people, you stepped up and made. it happen. Coach Ba, what an incredible. speech. >> What a way to motivate that guy. >> Wow. >> What a shot. What a bounce. What a day. Congrats to Debbone. Congrats to the 25. random winners. And also shout out to. the NBA launching in beautiful fashion. Yeah, AJ, you're the man. We appreciate. the hell out of you. Boys in the back. Great work. Coach Ba, we love you. We'll.

see you next week. Thank you for joining. us. And uh here is a state of the NBA. conversation with the commissioner of. the NBA, Adam Silver. >> Hey, congratulations. Another NBA season. tipping off today. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> How do you feel? Obviously, we got some. new media rights deals going on. We got. some a younger generation of stars about. to take over the league potentially. What are your thoughts as uh you embark. on another journey to an NBA. championship here? >> I'm feeling great. I mean, as you said, it's an interesting blend of old and.

new. Just beginning on the media side. NBC's back, of course. It's been 23. years since we were there on their air. And for your viewers who saw the Today. Show this morning, they had John Tesh. on. They brought back Round Ball Rocka. So, that's that's wonderful. And with. Round Ball Rock came Michael Jordan. So, he's going to be um on tonight's NBC. telecast being interviewed by Mike. Trico. So, but on maybe more importantly. on the basketball side, um you know, as. I said, we got you know, Oklahoma City.

thinks, you know, they're going to be. right back there this year, but of. course, we've had seven different. champions over the last seven years. So, you know, people always ask me this. question, is that what you want, a. different champion every year? And I I. said, no, you know, we just want we want. the best competition. We want a system. where everybody has a fair shot. But if. you know great GMs like Sam Prey can put. together an organization that can win, you know, multiple championships, you. know, great, you know. So I But you got. Webby back in San Antonio. You got. Cooper Flag in Dallas. You got Jaylen.

Brunson who's I think going to be right. up there competing for an MVP this year. in New York. So uh you know, and and. sorry about the Pacers. >> Yeah. Okay. They're going to fight their way through. it. But but Tyrese, I mean, I you know, it was heartbreaking obviously to see. him go down in game seven, but you know, he and I have been texting back and. forth. He's going to be right back. there. >> I think that's the thing about you that. uh we respect, especially from the NFL. world and understanding what the. commissioner's job is and how it's not. an easy one. Now, the NBA's relationship. with the commissioner is clearly.

different than maybe the NFL, but it. does feel like you really care about. ball and the players. The fact that. you're texting with Tyrese, obviously, we're thankful for. Jason Tatum also. another mega star that's going to be out. missing a lot. But whenever you talk. about Cooper Flag and Jaylen Brunson and. all these stars, Aunt, let alone Aunt. who's a mega star in Wemby and then you. got Kevin Durant then you got the OG. still kind of around Booker and then. LeBron James out for a little bit. How. do you kind of view you talk about it a. transition area but as a commissioner.

obviously you would like the next. generation to kind of take the next big. step. is that kind of goals for the. season as you lay them out from a. league. It's like, "All right, we'd like. our young stars to kind of do their. thing. It's in their hands potentially. in the next couple years. Let's see what. we have going forward." Is that. something that the league thinks about. or you think about? >> Abs. Absolutely. By the way, I should. say, you know, I'm a Duke guy. So, with. Jason Tatum, you know, in his spare time. now as he's recovering from his injury, he's been named like I forget the exact. title, but he's got a Duke basketball. title now. So, he's helping to recruit.

and run the program down there. So, I. mean, these guys are keeping busy in. college even when they're not on the. floor. But, but to answer your question. in terms of old and new, I mean, look at. Luca. I mean, I you know, I don't know. if you guys have seen sort of his. transformed body. You know, he he um he. completely retrained himself, you know, o over the in the offseason. You know, I. you know, he was obviously upset with. the trade, but I think is using it as. motivation now to show everybody that. he's one of the greatest in the game and. wants to be viewed as one of the. greatest ever. you know, at the same.

time, like then having him play with. LeBron, who, you know, he's out just for. maybe a few weeks now, but no doubt has. one of the greatest work ethics ever. I. mean, I'm always saying to the younger. players, it's a combination. Part of it. is, you know, your god-given talent, part of it is, you know, that the the. training and coaching you get, the. mentorship to be put in that position. that, but once you're in the league, the. really great ones and, you know, from. the NFL have this these incredible work. ethics. I I think people don't. understand like how hard a player like. LeBron works to be able he's about to be. 41 to play at that level for that long.

So yeah, you know, they're going to get. dinged up along the way. He's got a. little injury now. But I'm hoping for a. much younger player like Luca, he. realizes that there's a lot more to it. than just having that talent that in. that experience that you see what a guy. like LeBron is actually doing. And and. and by the way, you know, as over some. of these Olympic teams I've been with. around over the years when these stars. come together, I mean, I can remember in. 2008 in China, like when some of the.

younger players were getting an. opportunity to see Kobe's work ethic, you know, where they were meeting in the. morning and Kobe was coming back from. like a 5:30 a.m., you know, training. session, you know, and and he was coming. in with towels wrapped around him and. guys were like rubbing the sleep out of. their eyes and they're like, "Where's he. coming from, you know, and I and like. that matters and when guys see what it. takes to be, you know, truly great, you. know, and and I think we've all had that. experience that, you know, you you sort. of whether it's in sports or whether.

it's in business, you know, when you. start meeting other mentors, you say, "Well, that's what they do, you know, and you realize that so much of it is. you you have to have good luck, you have. to have good health and certain talent, but that it's it ultimately comes down. to that work ethic. And it's something. that for, you know, the NBA, the WNBA, it's what we try to teach all the the. younger players. I mean, broadly, you. know, in all our programs that, you. know, a minuscule percentage of players. are going to be fortunate, as you were, to play at the highest level, you know,

whether in top college programs or or or. top program pro programs. But like that. rub off of those those values that come. from sports, it's truly remarkable. >> Yeah, sports help people in everyday. life. I think you have to be a team. sport person to do anything. Like my. daughter, obviously she's a dog and I. can't wait to watch her, but she's going. to play team sports because she's going. to learn a lot of things through that. that she's going to carry into her life. I agree with that. And I think after. watching the NBA more and also getting. to know a lot of these NBA guys, there. used to be, I think, kind of a narrative. about the NBA players being soft. you.

know, these guys are soft because there. was uh you know, they're they're resting. some games, they're not resting some. games, and then you meet these guys that. are at the top and it's like these are. dogs through and through. And you go. back through the history of the game. I. mean, you guys got them on NBC's. coverage. Give me give me the. basketball. [Music]. >> Yeah, we can't wait for that obviously. with MJ being back, but that Mamba. mentality you talk about and then I can. echo that sentiment about like I had. Adam Viditary. Okay, I had Adam Viditary.

literally on the same team. It's like, hey, what does this guy do? And uh I'm. just going to try to do that. The NBA. does feel like a family whenever it. comes to that type of thing. And uh I. think you guys are in a great spot just. from what I've witnessed and the people. that I've gotten a chance to chat about. And your league is a fun league to be a. fan of at this exact moment, especially. with all the different media broadcast. partners. And also you leaning into the. digital side of things, which I respect. and appreciate because you guys are a. digital league. You guys take over the. internet. On that note, Rushmore on X. Dunkers is available now. Uh, have you.

seen this? Shaq and Reggie Miller put up. their Mount Rushmore of dunkers. throughout the history of the game. It. We'll send it over to you to get your. opinion on it. It is a fantastic combo. about the history of basketball. basically and rim rocking. So, I like. where your league's at. I assume you do. as well. Now, the world that we're in is. a little bit different than maybe 15, 20. years ago, especially with all eyes on. the money side of things during these. games. Go ahead, Debb. >> Yeah, Adam. with the huge uh growth of. the game and obviously growth of sports.

betting as well. I can't wait to put a. 12 game uh team parlay together tonight. But um how do you balance I guess. protecting I know sorry protecting the. integrity of the game and like how do. you balance that with the growth and. obviously the relationships that you. have with these sports betting partners. You know, interestingly enough, I I. think in the in the modern digital era, the choice is between legalized sports. betting or illegal sports betting, not. do you want sports betting or not. And.

so ultimately, our view has been that. since we know there's going to be. enormous betting on sports out there, there always has been lots of illegal. betting when I was younger, but it was. much more difficult before the internet. you'd have to meet someone on the corner. or there were betting slips, things like. that, or you had an old school bookie. Of course, now you can just bet on your. phone. So on one hand with this. regulated structure of legalized betting. we can monitor it in ways that were. unimaginable years ago that if there's.

any aberrational behavior people betting. large numbers who hadn't historically. done so just opening an account to place. bets or even the geo targeting we know. exactly from where the bets are being. placed. I mean very specifically if. you're in an arena and place a bet we. know you're in the arena. In many cases. we know where in the arena you are when. you place that bet. So sort of. analogized to a stock market where. there's you know of course there there's. a legal framework but there's alines. that make activity illegal like insider.

trading for example. And so you have. potentially the equivalent in sports. where somebody may have inside. information. It may it could be a player. and the the worst case scenario is a. player who's trying to impact their own. performance for a bet or it may be. people around a player and it may be. unintentional on the part of a player. but somebody who's around the player. knows that the player isn't feeling well. or isn't going to play even though that. hasn't been announced yet. So, you know,

we have a a a framework a structure in. place to monitor to prevent those kinds. of things happening. so that there is. the the information is available to. potential bers so that it's it's a level. playing field in terms of placing those. bets. But it it there's no question it. it it introduces a whole new set of. issues. One of the issues you see in in. arenas and I hear from players and. coaches on this are fans. I mean who are. yelling out about you know especially.

when it's a prop bet. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. >> Yeah. you know, but it it it's often the. case that, you know, your team wins and. a player scores, you know, 25 points, but the fan better had bet that the. player was going to score 28 points or. 30 points or whatever else. So, I I. would say one thing, we sent a memo out. to our teams recently and we made it. clear in conversations with them that we. want to see strict enforcement of those. rules. I mean, we have to protect the. competitors, you know, we want to.

protect the environment in the arena, the people getting out of hand. I mean, but but as I said, we we we accept. betting is legal in roughly 35 states. now in the United States. It's unlikely. to go away. I think probably there. should be more regulation. Frankly, it. may be surprising to hear from me. I I. wish there was federal legislation. rather than statebyst state. I think you. got to monitor the amount of promotion, the amount of advertising around it. And. also, we've we've pulled back, you know, it's not completely in our control, but. we've asked some of our partners to pull.

back some of the prop bets, especially. when they're on two-way players, guys. who don't have the same stake in the. competition where, you know, it's it's. too easy to manipulate something which. seems otherwise small and. inconsequential to the overall score. Maybe, you know, the the the couple. rebounds that some player um you know, gets or whatever. So, you know, we're. trying to put in place and learning as. we go and working with these with the. betting companies some additional.

controls to prevent sort of some of that. manipulation. >> I think that's really good defense. >> getting rid of like kind of smaller. obscure bets like, hey, do we really. need this to even be a potential. distraction and a half. >> or a potential setup? Like I I respect. that you're trying to figure out and. navigate this as it's happening in real. time. Do you feel the And you said you. wanted it to be strict on the fans in. the environments. Very intimate. Very, very intimate. Uh the NBA, I mean, there's been a couple times where I felt. like I was sitting on a bench, you know,

and it's like, now granted, I loved it. I enjoy being there. Let's go, boys. Let's kind of do our thing. Give me a. microphone. Maybe not. Let's uh let's. not do that. Maybe I just sit here and. talk to the to the group here. John. Melancham's going to be pissed. But. there is a very intimate relationship. between the NBA and its fans, I think, in the arenas. That's a part of the. allore, I think. Hey, come watch these. 6'8, 6' n tall guys run back and forth, dunk it, bring the kids out, you'll even. maybe get a high five as they're jogging. through the thing. And on the flip side. of that, when it's not a family or a. little kid and somebody that's pissed.

off about the amount of turnovers you. had, and instead we got a win, but. should be happy or mean, I could see how. that could get a little loud. And. there's been, you know, NBA and players. and fans interactions before. I don't. know how it doesn't happen more often. Okay. I just strictly because Bruce I've. seen Bruce at an NBA game and he's a. problem. He's a New York Knicks fan and. he's a good [ __ ] talker and he is very. okay doing it right to TJ McConnell's. face and they're like 3 feet away. In. real life TJ McConnell potentially. >> knock Bruce Brown out, especially with.

his punchable looking face, but instead. TJ talks back and they keep it moving. It's a beautiful part of your sport. I'm. happy to see that you want to keep it uh. a safe thing for everybody. And when it. comes to the gambling, do you feel like. you have to set a precedent now with. this? Because like to the players. obviously, do you feel like we got to. kind of make sure we nip this in a butt. before it gets big or or like you all. just kind of riding the wave together to. see what fits this situation best each. time? >> Well, you know, we deal obviously case.

by case with anything comes up. But I. think we've made it clear to our players. and I think Andrea Guidalo who's head of. the player association you know former. all-star champion himself knows that. there's nothing more important than the. integrity of the competition. So for if. a player steps over the line I mean. there have been players I think as you. know who've been banned from the game. because of betting. We have you know we. we you know we monitor really closely. There's signs in every locker room. Um, you know, we we've continuing education. throughout the year just so guys know.

that, you know, it's a really bright. line because the problem with all those. prop bets is that I always worry, you. know, there I'm sure there are players. who would never ever think they would. would want to manipulate the ultimate. outcome of the game. They wouldn't want. to do that to their teammates. They. wouldn't want to do it to themselves, but are thinking, "Oh, what's the. difference if, you know, I have one. fewer more rebound or whatever else." So. that's why, you know, we've made it. clear there's there's very strict. enforcement that anything you do around. betting, you know, just just the mere. betting on a game, even if it had.

nothing to do with your particular. performance, you know, will result in a. suspension, you know, and and possibly. the end of your career. So I, you know, again, we we live in a in in an. environment of legalized sports betting. And and by the way, not just in the. United States, but the NBA is a a a. global league. I mean, remember when. when sports betting was was legalized in. the United States, it was already for. decades had been widely legal throughout. Europe. Oh, yeah. You know, with, you. know, in the old days, it's all moved to.

the internet now, but in the old days, you know, you could go to a soccer game. in England and they had betting windows, you know, like at a horse track and. there were betting polers throughout. London. Again, most of the action is now. online. But that but that's actually a. good thing that's online because when. people aren't using cash, you have to. identify yourself to the betting. company. you're putting in a credit card. and again so if there's something. >> unusual that's happening or if somebody. is and there's a whole separate issue. about problem gambling. So so let's. remove sort of your regular activity.

among participants in the game. But then. there's people clearly who get sucked in. and are betting too much money and or. are betting over their means. And so. there's also ways to monitor those. things and to to cut those people off if. they if the betting company detects that. there's an issue. Yeah, we had some. friends that had that happen to them. from uh sports book. Looking to you. again, Bruce. And uh look at you again, Bruce. And we like that. You know, got. him out of a potential spiral, though. And it I agree that it has gotten to a. much better place in the gambling world. But for you guys have to navigate it.

We're appreciative of the amount of. thought that you put into it because the. integrity of the game is everything cuz. what are we betting? What are we. watching if it if we don't, you know, you don't think that's a big deal? And. oddly enough, I mean, even the betters. want to be insured that there's been. behind the data because if they think. it's not a level playing field or. somebody has information they don't, they won't bet your sport. >> Yeah. They're on the take. Listen, if. they're going to be on the take, I would. like to know that they're on the take so. we can do that because then they feel. like they're getting bamboozled. appreciate the amount of work that.

you're putting into that to play defense. and also make sure that the NBA will. continue to be a sport that we can all, you know, definitely know what's going. on wherever we place our wagers on. Now, you brought up Europe there in the. gambling culture, but let's talk about. the basketball world that's starting to. brew over there in Europe. Love what. you're doing with the All-Star game. format, USA verse the world, basically. Maybe this will entice people to care a. little bit is the hopeully. Is that kind. of the hopes, Adam? Because we all know. that it's not just the NBA. Every the.

NHL figured it out with uh the four. nations. The the NHL figured out with. Four Nations, but they were having. problems too there for a few years. Baseball obviously has the home run. derby. They were going back and forth. with like home field advantage in the. playoffs. They kind of got rid of that. The NFL had a problem for a while. It. was bad football. It was bad, bad. football. Now they try to make it a. festival. So these all-star games and. festivities aren't the easiest things to. nail. Okay. You guys saw what the NHL. did and thought maybe we'll take a a. hack at that. Saw what the Olympics were.

for the entire world. We'll try to pull. on that. Maybe find what guys care. about. Is that how we got to this point? And what is your expectation for it? >> Yeah, Pat. Exactly. I mean, we try to. learn from everybody else. There's no. question that what the NHL did in terms. of the four nations was incredibly. successful. And then in addition, the. All-Star game is moving to NBC this. year. And our All-Star game falls smack. in the middle of the Winter Olympics. So. we want to take advantage of the fact. that you have this global international. competition you know where the country. is focused on you know on on USA and and.

taking on other countries. So we're. going to move to a rider cup type format. again like taking from golf as well as. hockey. And because we have an imbalance. in the league of international players. to US players it's roughly 30% of the. players are born outside the United. States. We got to play with the format a. little bit. I think where we'll likely. end up is, you know, a round robin where. you have two USA teams and one. international team and then they'll play.

each other in a round robin. I do. >> USA verse USA in the finals would be. great. >> I would be celebrating. >> I think the guys will be motivated. because of the Olympic atmosphere. they'll be in the middle of because of. wanting to play for their country. So, and in addition, I would just say on. behalf of the players, I mean, last year. we were hoping for more. I mean, I think. the the format didn't quite work, but. the players care and I and I I don't. know what there's something about NBA. All-Star game and even as I I was in.

Europe for a bunch of things this summer. doing some other stuff for the NBA, and. I was amazed how many fans came up to me. and said, you know, great Oklahoma City. won, finals were incredible, you got to. fix the All-Star. And I think it it. seems to me to take on disproportionate. interest. And I think when we've had bad. allstars, I think maybe a little. different from other leagues, it seems. to linger longer in this league that you. know sort of you referenced it that it t. it becomes a proxy for how much the. players care or their their investment.

in the game and and it seems very unfair. to them in ways cuz sometimes there's. just a larger conspiracy that includes. all the teams who don't want their guys. to go out and get injured in what seems. to be an exhibition game to a lot of. people. But I think that the younger. generation of NBA players are. understanding that all-star is really. meaningful and it's not necessarily. needs to be played at the level of the. finals, but we also don't want to see. guys going out there not playing defense. and sort of just sort of like bombing. away three-point shots the whole game. I.

mean, and I think there's a happy medium. there. And and and I'm I'm encouraged. this year, as I said, like Andrea Guidal. at the player association's been great. Terrific individual conversation with. players who are like, "We get it. You. know, we're going to be in LA this year. It's going to be a big stage. So again, I'm hoping we can bring back that. tradition. >> I think there's going to be great. tradition. And I'm outsider looking into. your world. Dream Team was so big for. basketball because a lot of people watch. basketball for the first time. Saw the. stars. They were like the Beatles, right? If that documentary is right, whenever they come to town. I think the. All-Star game provides similar. opportunity. It's where all the stars.

are. Some people are maybe only watching. that first time really getting to see. people. I think that is why it is such. big interest because you guys have such. a limited amount of people that can be. so good at your sport and there's only a. couple times that we see them all. together. Olympics certainly when we see. them all together we love it. We all. love it. KD takes over a game. Steph. takes over a game. LeBron takes over a. game. It's like here we go. These are. all the greats doing their thing. Tyresese Hallebertton's holding it down. Exactly. >> Holding it down over there in the. entirety. And then whenever we get to. Allstars, same thing. We see everybody.

and then it's just kind of like what it. is. So, I think that's potentially why. your fans are uh a little bit more. passionate about the All-Star game than. maybe the NFL. Like Pro Bowl, I mean, >> nobody cares about it. Stinks. Yeah. Nobody cares about that. So, it's good. that people care, I think. But what. you're saying is it's a tough thing to. get right. Maybe this will be the right. answer on the internet. >> No. To your to your point, it would it'd. be a worse problem if nobody cared. >> Bingo. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good. thing, but also figure it out, Adam. >> Fix it. >> Figure it out. Need to figure it out. this thing that can only hurt people for.

the future as they're trying to win an. actual championship and there's a lot of. money on the line. Other people are. getting arrested. The best players don't. get arrested. Go ahead and nobody's. dunking. Don't want to hurt themselves. Just Adam, figure it out, dude. Make it. great. Okay. We need that thing to be. amazing. Now, you talk about the. international team and uh how great they. have got. I'll tell you, I wanted the. USA versus USA final. I'm thinking. that's probably not going to happen cuz. what's going on overseas with this sport. is obviously incredible. Go ahead, con. man. Yeah, Kamish, you just said it. 30%. of the players in the NBA are.

international. But I mean, if you look. at the MVPs, damn near 100% of the MVPs. are international now because I. >> think our last seven. >> Yeah, the last seven of them. There it. is. I thought there was a number there, but uh the NBA International is huge. NBA Europe is going to be massive. How. did you kind of, you know, decide to. launch it this year or or next year or. whenever it's launching? Then is there. any worry that some of these. international players are going to leave. the NBA to go to NBA Europe, whether.

that be, you know, 10 years into their. career or even just towards the end. because you think of guys like Dirk. Nitzky, um, who, you know, might have. gone back to Germany for a year or two. And then you think of all the. international players and how much they. love their home countries. Giannis with. Greece, uh, Joic, Luca, there there's a. ton of them. SGA's Canadian. I don't. know if he falls into that category, but. still, you know what I'm saying? Um, is. that ever a thought with the NBA Europe? And how excited are are you for that.

launch as a whole? >> Yeah. Well, so so a few things there. I. mean, I think if some of those. international players decided to either. end their career or prolong their career. a bit by playing in Europe, I think that. would be fantastic. I think for. >> the foreseeable future, the NBA is so. big, is so global, the pay is so high. I. think it's highly unlikely that any of. these players would choose to forego the. NBA to play in Europe. And I think. that's kind of the case right now. I. mean, the quality of European basketball.

is off the charts right now. It's just. not commercially successful. And so to. your question, why now? I think that. you're seeing enormous interest maybe, you know, clearly unprecedented in live. premium sports right now. It's it's. being reflected in all the sports. I. mean, it's as if other than, you know, honestly shows like yours around sports. that people want to consume live or near. live because you're talking about such. topical issues or or the live games.

themselves, they've separated themselves. from everything else, certainly on. traditional television. And now people. are watching more streaming than than. traditional broadcast and cable. And and. by the way, you were mentioning before. that, Pat, I mean, you were a pioneer. there. I mean, you to have a show that's. simal cast on ESPN and YouTube and then. to then take portions of it and then. make those available on social media. It's it's not that different than what. the NBA has become. There's sort of the. live aspect of it and then there's the. sort of highlights and other aspects of. it that people will watch after the.

fact. But in in terms of Europe, I think. we're we're at the point now where there. is just there's a huge opportunity both. in the quality of the game in Europe as. we we're all talking about, you know, 15% of our league now is European and. they represent some of the very best. players. Um there's enormous interest in. the game there. This, you know, our. numbers something like over 250 million. basketball fans in Europe. It's the. number two sport after soccer. And and. on top of that, there's an opportunity. >> to build an arena infrastructure in.

Europe. Like even when we were all in. Paris for the Olympics, the building. there, they did some upgrades for the. Olympics, but it doesn't have the sort. of amenities that you know you see in. Indianapolis or you see in our in in our. NBA cities where there's a lot of areas. for pregame meals, big halftime. celebrations, you know, fancy suites, the whole thing. And the great thing. about arenas really different from. stadiums is that the top arenas are. used, you know, 250 300 days a year. So, it's it's sort of a separate economic. engine for communities. And again, just.

like you see in Indianapolis, then you. can build around it. You have commercial. um space, you know, uh you know, uh. retail, residential. You we saw it in. Milwaukee with the new development. there. Um you know, you saw it in LA. You're seeing it in all all around the. country. They're talking about that in. San Antonio right now, moving their. arena to downtown. So, a combination of. all these factors are coming together. I. I think we're not all the way there yet. who are working at the league office on. you know what what the right model is. but there's certainly no lack of.

interest in potential owners. I'm. hearing from you know a lot of. well-known wealthy European families who. are interested American families. institutions who would like to see this. happen. So it's if if you look at the. gap right now, I mean soccer is, you. know, head and shoulders more popular. than any other sport in Europe right. now. But but basketball follows like. let's say this far behind, but the. economic gap is like this. I think I. just went out of the picture, but you. know, you know, and so you know, right.

now the teams and even some of those. those well-known soccer brands in Europe. like Real Madrid and FC Barcelona, they. field basketball teams, very competitive. basketball teams. In fact, you know, Luca Don started his career at Real. Madrid, but it's just an it's a it's. it's a yearly investment or loss. It's. not there's no chance they have of. making money on those programs. And it's. not just about making money at the end. of the day. You know, it's the way. market economies work. If you can. generate money, you reinvest it. You. reinvest it in your facilities, in your.

players, in your marketing, and making. the enterprises that much bigger. So, you know, as I said, I mean, we're. probably a couple of years away from. being able to launch something in. Europe, but we're spending a lot of time. on it. >> We're really lucky for the NBA here in. Indiana. Obviously, we just explained. it. Tai's about to ask a question about. that here in a matter of moments, actually, not just here, but many other. places. The fact that you're investing. in towns and cities over in Europe for. good of your sport. I respect that. I I. really do. I I respect and appreciate. that. And also, you talk about the. arenas. We're talking about building. stadiums in the NFL. You need a lot of.

space to do that. Arena is a little bit. different ball game. I'm not saying you. don't need a lot of space, but the. footprint obviously much smaller in. these towns. And if you can get those. things up, bring the city around, I'm I. don't like what's going on with American. basketball's future. Okay. I I don't. like. >> And Pat, I'll just say the other issue. with stadiums. It's it's hard to fill. them for, you know, whatever the NFL. represents, you know, with with. preseason. I don't know, 10 dates or. whatever it is. You know, maybe you get. a Super Bowl occasionally. >> You better watch me talk about there's. only so many acts these days. there's.

only so many Taylor Swifts and Beyonce's. or whatever else who can truly fill a. stadium, you know, and then some of the. roof stadiums, you know, they can they. can bring in some corporate, you know, uh, you know, big sales, you know, organizations coming in and a few other. things like that, but arena business is. very different. As I said, like arenas. because of smaller, they're obviously. roofed facilities. You you can in many. of these buildings, it's like 300 dates. a year they're active. >> That's good business, brother. And it's.

what 16 17,000 13,000 16,000 17,000. >> yeah you know I you know 17 18,000. >> that's a huge audience though like. whenever you talk about like a stadium. everybody's like selling out stadiums. and you mentioned Taylor Swift obviously. she has records all around the world for. how many stadium tickets she's been able. to sell. Beyonce obviously does as well. Morgan Wallen filling up stadiums all. over the place. Luke Combmes, Zack. Bryan. But you're right, this is just a. Chris Brown can fill up a stadium. You're only talking about a few people. I think Kevin Hart did two stadiums. I. think he did a stadium as a comedian one.

time. I think Chappelle might have as. well. But then you talk about arenas. It's like arenas is a stage that a lot. of people can get to. And that's a great. great payday for these acts. You sell. out an arena. And also it's a great. setup. Like this Gainbridge Fieldhouse. down here, the green rooms, great setup. Beautiful. You got food everywhere. Easy. walk, easy access for the crowd. >> Not a bad seat in there. >> The modern arenas are are spectacular. I. mean, I think they they it's a. recognition. It's the entertainment. business. So, you go to a game and part.

of the the whole ambiance of of the. event is, you know, what are the sweets. like? What are the the the the. concourse, you know, what kind of retail. do they have? Like, think, you know, when I was a kid, certainly it was a hot. dog and a pretzel. Now, the food. selections off the charts, you know, local specialties, you know, you know, the whole the everything you could you. can imagine. And I think that you know. and in our league as each new arena. comes online they keep upping the bar.

just in terms of you know wanting to be. part of the festivities there. So and. and the issue is in the NBA it's a. recognition that you know roughly half. the teams are going to be under 500 in. any gi given season. You know not every. game is going to like light it on fire. So, you know, part of you're going for. the experience and and one thing we're. seeing change in the arenas is that. >> people want the communal experience, I. think, more than historically where. you'd go to a game, you'd sit in a seat,

you'd sort of talk to the person on your. left, talk to the person on your right. Now, if you look what's happening in the. arenas, they're creating more common. spaces, you know, more mini suites, more. uh lounges sort of overseeing the court, kind of in a way like a sports bar, but. instead of having screens up, you're in. a sports bar and big windows are opened. up to the court. So you can, you know, singles can go, you can use it to meet. people, you can use it to entertain, but, you know, rather than being locked. in one spot for two and a half hours at.

a game, you can be talking to 20. different people. And and I mean, I. enjoy doing that at games when I'm in, you know, in in sort of one of those. areas or in a suite or something. Not. not just, you know, because there's food. and stuff up there, but it's an. opportunity to talk to a lot of people. >> Yeah. A lot of people come to your guys'. games. I'll tell you what, I appreciate. the fact that you're talking about. streaming in the future of trailblazing. for, you know, rights and deals and. everything. Now, you're talking about. the live event experience. Talk about. the arena experience versus stadium. experience. I'll tell you what, Adam. Silver, under that bald head, you got.

pretty good little brain in there, buddy. You got pretty good little brain. in there. Playing defense against the. Gambling or the potential of that. Now, I just mentioned about how Indiana has. obviously been very appreciative of what. your league has done for us more. specifically over the last few months. That was amazing. Ty, has a question for. you. Yeah, Kamish, you mentioned, you. know, Indiana and the Pacers and. Milwaukee and obviously Oklahoma City uh. winning it all last year, but when we. got the finals matchup initially, the. the only conversation is, oh, this is. going to be the lowest rated finals of. all time. No one's going to watch this.

Um, is it good for the league when small. market teams around the league make deep. runs into the playoffs, especially. because it sounds like the linear number. or like the television numbers really. aren't the end all beall anymore? Well, so so first of all, in terms of. those predictions, Oklahoma City, Indiana ended up having more viewers. than Dallas Celtics before. >> And and the reason was because the. competition was better. And at the end. of the day, we're largely, you know, if. if markets the size of Indianapolis and.

Oklahoma City are considered small. markets. We're a league of small. markets. On the other hand, as the mayor. of Oklahoma City, David Hull, pointed. out last year, Oklahoma City and. Indianapolis are larger than roughly 90%. of the cities in the United States. So, by really any standard for most of your. listeners or viewers, they live in. smaller cities and towns than. Indianapolis and Oklahoma City. So, again, from the league standpoint, you. know, I' I've said this before, the goal.

is to be more NFL-like from that. standpoint. if the, you know, the the. Steelers, you know, are playing the. Browns or whatever, nobody is saying, you know, it's it's a matchup or or. Green Bay. If the Steelers are playing. Green Bay in the Super Bowl, like. nobody's ever saying it's a small market. Super Bowl. >> And when in our league, you know, we. still carry that title go or or that. headline going in. It's small market. The goal for me is to make it it's the.

two about the two best teams playing in. the finals and and frankly in this world. now of digital media. I mean, look, from. your standpoint, like you're. broadcasting from Indianapolis and I. I've been to your house, so like right. outside the city. Like, it's irrelevant, right? Like, nobody's going to suggest. that you would be more popular if you. were in Chicago instead of in I mean, it's it's almost a ridiculous point. And. I think in a digital world, you know, Giannis in Milwaukee, you know, winning.

the MVP, winning a championship, talking. to a global audience of billions, which. the NBA has, you know, as I've said. before, if you went down the road to. Chicago, I don't know, an hour and a. half drive or whatever it was, and. there's a million more people in in a. world where we're we're reaching. billions of people, it's immaterial. And. and I think like again, hats off to. Oklahoma City. I'm not saying there are. some advantages to being in certain. markets over others, but I think just. like the NFL, the players ultimately. realize in a cap system, they're going.

to make their money based on the quality. of their play wherever they go. And even. in terms of commercial endorsement. deals, those are going to come not from. the market they're in, but from winning. And so they want to put themselves in. winning situations as well. So, you. know, it's it's I think we've really. evolved the league over the last decade. or so or or longer to where market size. is less relevant. One one more. interesting statistic. So, for the first. 65 years of the NBA, three teams won 60%.

of the championships. And as we've talked about, so now the. last 15 years, it's been 11 different. teams and seven different teams over the. last seven years. So, it's like, and. it's not a close call when people say, "Well, don't you miss those dynasties?". Again, you know, as I've said, if. Oklahoma City goes on to win two more. championships in a row, I'm not going to. say, "No, I wish there were other teams. that were winning." I think that's. great, but they're doing it with a level. playing field. You know, it's not. they're not doing it because they're.

outspending every other team in the. league. And I think that's the way it. should be. And so, you know, let let. whatever happens with the competition, but I don't think having a few teams. dominate the competition year after year. is good for the league long term because. fans in those other cities don't think. their teams have a legitimate shot. And. we want like this is about hope. We want. teams, you know, we want fans of every. team regardless of market size to. believe if I have a well-managed team. and, you know, and the the the luck. falls our way and we the players are are.

remain in good health that we got a shot. to be there. again. And you got to. believe it. You can't, you know, it's. not any given Sunday. You It's It's a. different sport. You know, a single. player can have such an outsized impact. We have to be realistic about that. But. we also want every every city to think. they got that same shot at getting that. superstar. >> Hell yeah. I love everything you just. said. And the Packers Steelers reference. is such a good metaphor because they're. playing on Sunday Night Football. Okay. That's coming up this weekend. And. nobody's like, you know, two small. markets, Pittsburgh and Nobody's saying.

that at all. I mean and also AFC NFC. there and you said in a Super Bowl. pretty good pretty good at I mean you. are you know you I don't even know if. you knew that that was a home run there. but people that know ball would say. silver actually not bad there if you. would have won with Steelers Brown Super. Bowl everybody would say Adam Silver's a. >> D I I checked myself. >> you moved a little bit that was good. Uh. all right have an incredible season. thank you so much for the time and uh. we'll see you again soon man. Are you.

moving to Christmas Eve? When's that. happening? Are you moving to Christmas. Eve? >> We're on Christmas. Yeah. No, we we've. been on Christmas Eve for a while. >> Christmas Eve. We need you to move to. Eve. >> Oh, no. No. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, not. we're not on Christmas Eve. That's been. a traditional day off in the NBA. >> I understand that. >> It's a trade-off, right? Guys are home. Christmas Eve. Don't play on and they're. not playing on Christmas, >> don't you think? Maybe. Listen. >> And they are playing on Christmas. Wait, I'm confusing me. The Christmas Eve has. been a traditional day off and we do. play on Christmas. >> Understand? and and and the NFL has is.

has joined us. >> to competition. >> to my point Christmas Eve. >> I don't know. I'm not no plan to do it. at the moment. >> Okay. I respect that. I respect that. I. do. I appreciate you. Ladies and. gentlemen, the commissioner of the NBA, uh friend of the program, you're the. greatest, dude. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Silver. Thank you.