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the second hour, but I think everybody. knows there's uh been some breaking news. in the NBA. All kinds of stuff floating. around the internet. We don't know. exactly what's happening. Let's take it. to Cash Patel. He has a quick minute and. 40 press conference, I think, where he. kind of describes exactly what might be. going on. >> to announce a historic arrest across a. wide sweeping criminal enterprise that. envelops both the NBA and Lacass Nostra. The men and women up here standing with. me represent a small portion of the. leadership team that brought profound.

justice in an era that needed it more. than any. I'll just highlight some of. the some of the details in the case and. the FBI work and then you'll hear from. the others. But as you now know, individuals such as Chanty Bilips, Damon. Jones, and Terry Rosier were taken into. custody today. Former current NBA. players and coaches. What you don't know is that this is an. illegal gambling operation and sports. rigging operation that spanned the. course of years. The FBI led a.

coordinative takedown across 11 states. to arrest over 30 individuals today. responsible for this case, which is very. much ongoing. Not only did we crack into the fraud. that these perpetrators. committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also entered and executed a. system of justice against Laasanosra to. include the Bonano, Gambino, Genevvesi, and Luchesi crime families. And you'll. hear more about those details today.

The charges and the arrests that were. taken down across this country range. from wire fraud, money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling. This FBI will leave no room for any. perpetrator of crime across this. country. You hear a lot about our work. of defending the homeland and crushing. violent crime. Well, this work is also. representative of a colossal portion of. the FBI's mandate to keep America safe. and to keep our entertainment industry. fair and secure. >> Yeah, there you have it. you hear FBI.

director Cash Patel kind of describing. what has gone on with the different. arrests and the allegations and let's. not make this guy wait any longer. Let's. Mr. Shams Shirana please join us right. now. Shams, how's it going buddy? What. is uh I guess what did we just hear. there? Are we just scratching the. surface? And what have you heard over. the last hour I guess? So, this all. started Jonte Porter. There was a group. of other co-conspirators. That was uh a. while ago, I believe last year. And ever. since then, uh you know, there's been an.

ongoing investigation. So, today, three. notable arrests were made. The first. one, Chanty Bilips, the Portland. Trailblazers head coach. He was just. coaching in an NBA game last night in. Portland against the Minnesota Timber. He was arrested at around 6:00 a.m. in. Portland, Oregon. Terry Rosier, Miami. Heat guard. He was also arrested this. morning at 6 a.m. in Orlando. And then. Damon Jones also played in the NBA, was. an assistant coach in the NBA. He was. arrested this morning at 6 a.m. Rosir. was involved with charges around sports. betting, prop bets, giving information.

to conspirators uh that were gambling on. on games, hundreds of thousands of. dollars. Allegedly, Chanty Bilips was. involved in allegedly illegal uh poker. games and cheating and rigging on those. poker games um as part of a mafia mob. tied affiliated situation. And Damon. Jones is the one guy that was charged. that had crossover with both. not only. the sports gambling, sports betting,

providing information, insider. information, as Cash Patel and the FBI. essentially have called it, um, to. co-conspirators. And then he was also. involved allegedly with the illegal. poker games, cheating and rigging on. those poker games with mafia ties. And. so obviously this is seismic news around. the NBA. Never have we seen an acting. head coach be involved in a federal. investigation and arrest like this. An.

active NBA player. We saw Jonte Porter. was arrested and charged with gambling, sports betting, prop betting, and his. involvement in that. Um but an act. another active player now, Terry Rosier. involved in a similar case. Uh he's. obviously a much bigger name player than. Jonte Porter. John Porter was on a. two-way contract. Rosier has been on. multiple uh you know 40 50 $90 million. deals. Right now he's making $26. million. So some book uh bookkeeping. here. Chanty Bilips I'm told will be.

arraigned in Portland at 100 p.m. local. time. Terry Rosir will be arraigned in. Orlando at 2:30 p.m. So Chanty Bilips. 100 p.m. hour in Portland, 2:30 p.m. hour for uh Terry Rosier in in Orlando. Um, and so this is a case of inter roier. situation. It's insider trading is what. they're alleging as as they have with. Jonte Porter previously. Um, this is. obviously colossal news. The the one guy.

AJ that we've spoken about on this show, it's come out. Malik Beasley, he's been. a part of a federal investigation. He's. part of an ongoing NBA investigation. He. was not arrested today. His lawyer told. me he has not been cooperating with. federal authorities on Chanty Bilips on. Terry Rosier, meaning he is not involved. in this group, this investig whatever. this investigation led to here, at least. initially 30 plus arrests. Uh I'm told. Malik Beasley is not involved in this. situation. And so just some some more.

bookkeeping there, but uh we'll see how. much more comes of this, right? Like. this started as a three, four, five. person group. It's now morphed into over. 40. it as mob affiliation, mafia. affiliation, and will there be more? Right now, there's over 30 today. >> It feels like that you would assume. there might be more. I mean, listen to. Cash Patel in his press conference, but. this is but it's it's two different. forms of illegal activity, right? I. guess there's the point shaving, possibly allegedly whatever you're doing. to to manipulate a game, what players.

doing. But then also the the illegal. poker games where what you're putting. they said there's X-ray machines. There's hidden cameras. There's things. where they can read their their whole. cards that are face down. So who' did. you say is the the crossover there? And. are these like how connected are these. things? >> Damon Jones is the one guy that's. charged in both cases. Damon Jones. involved allegedly in the illegal sports. uh or yeah the illegal sports gambling. providing information the the. essentially the way that Cash Patel the.

FBI have framed it is insider trading. insider information being given out. there was one alleged situation where. Damon Jones let uh co-conspirators and. others hear gambling involved in in. improper way that LeBron James was going. to be sitting in a game in uh against. Milwaukee and and that you know then. obviously gamblers and betterers can. then go bet on Milwaukee in that. instance. So that's just one alleged.

situation that has been brought up in. these indictments. These indictments are. are dozens and dozens of pages long. still going through them. Uh and there. there are mentions of Chanty Bilips. involved in in at least one similar. situation, but his biggest charge was. the illegal uh poker uh you know, essentially cheating, rigging the poker. games, a bunch of different states, right? Charms, wasn't it in multiple. different states where these illegal. poker games were happening where they. were they had devices and things which I. don't maybe I'm naive, but if there's a.

an illegal poker game, that's one thing. you're running that. But then if there's. more charges if you're cheating at an. illegal poker game, I feel like that's a. like almost like a moral situation. Double Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, again, we don't know the. the lengths of of the of the evidence. that is at hand here. Uh, you know, we. know what's in the documents. Um, you. know, was Chanty Phillips knowingly. involved with the mafia, with the mob? you know, it's it's been brought to me. by some people here like it, you know,

is it possible to even unknowingly be. involved in a in a improper illegal. poker game essentially? Like when where. you're basically um uh rigging a poker. game, how can you unknowingly do that? Like again, that's all that's all for. for for discussion. But uh the FBI, what. they're their main charge with Chanty. Bilips is the rigging of poker games. And so I I believe I read it most, you. know, where these took place were New. York, Manhattan area, but uh as Cash.

Patel said, there were uh I want to say. 11 states. He said that all of this. overall activity from sports betting to. the illegal poker games, all of this. ranged 11 states. >> Boss Connor's got something for you, Shams. >> Yeah, Shams, you said um Malik Beasley. still being investigated by the NBA and. the FBI. Um, Terry Rosir was. investigated by the NBA last year and. the NBA has already said they had no. idea. >> They've been Yeah, I I so I don't mean.

to interrupt you. Uh, yeah, I I do want. to clear make make it clear here. Terry. Rosier was cleared by the NBA. Uh, that's why he was playing in games. He. was involved in games. He's been through. an NBA investigation already. They took. his phone from my understanding as part. of that. He was cleared from that. His. attorney even came out with that. statement today. But that doesn't mean. from a federal perspective, he was. cleared. So clearly, even though he. wasn't mentioned as a formal target in. that investigation, at least initially,

he was charged here today. Clearly, he. was arrested. He has an arrangement. today at 2:30 in Orlando. But, uh, he. was cleared by the NBA. That's why he. was playing. So, with that being said, with the Malik Beasley situation, um, when they're still going into his entire. situation and the FBI's going into their. entire investigation, like what is the. difference between those two? Just the, you know, the FBI's resources and their. ability to connect everything versus the. NBA just looking at one specific. situation.

>> The the the powers are are large. I. mean, you can talk to conspirators, you. can talk to people that you feel like. might be involved. Um they they they all. have the ability from a federal. perspective, from a leak perspective. There's there's an ability to go, you. know, even take evidence, right? Take a. phone, take other surveillance uh uh. material, laptops, etc. So that's all. under the jurisdiction of definitely the. federal realm, but even the league is. able to potentially do that. They did. that with Terry Rosier and and they.

cleared him. Malik Beasley's case, he. was not arrested today. he was not uh uh. taken into custody today as part of this. federal investigation uh situation. Um. again, I'm not saying he will never be. That's not what I'm saying here. What. I'm saying is he was not part of the 30. plus defendants in this sports, gaming, betting, illegal poker schemes arrest uh. ring today. Um and so the league's. investigation has been ongoing. Uh I. report a while ago that he wasn't.

mentioned as a target of the federal. investigation. Um but the league's. investigation has been ongoing into. Malik Biza but he was not involved in. this and his attorney Steve Haney even. told me he's not cooperating with the. the the federal investigators about. these two in particular or three in. particular as far as Damon Jones, Chanty. Bops and Terry Rosir. >> Sems did you have uh any idea of this. before this morning? It seems like it's. it's unbelievable how quiet this was. until bam all of a sudden guys are. arrested. I I I'd gotten wind last night that.

there was going to be a press conference. and that Cash Patel I'd been hearing. over the last 24 hours was actually a. big name in all this and someone that. was taking a leading role in this. investigation process. Obviously, this. is for Terry Rosier. He's been. investigated for over two years now. This is something that's been going on. since 2023. Um, and so you know that's. local authorities, Eastern District of. New York, but now Cash Patel FBI. involvement. I got wind of it last night.

obviously you know the names in the. specific reporting this morning. >> So what's what's uh I guess can you give. us a little glimpse what your life looks. like right now? You I'm sure you're. juggling a few things talking to some. sources all over the place. What's it. been like for you? >> Yeah, I mean it's now now it's all. public. So everything that I'm I've been. working on since last night is is now. public information. And so now it's. figuring out what's next, right? Portland Trailblazers. What what is next. with them with Miami Heat? >> Yeah. >> What what what what's next with with. Terry Rosier as a player? He's under.

contract for $26 million. $26 million. with Terry Rosier on the Heat salary. cap. Um and and what's the league's. stance? How is the league addressing. this? So there. >> are they have a presser? Is silver going. to have a presser or anything, Sean? I'm. sorry. Like are they going to I assume. they're going to have to address it. publicly. Are they going to have like a. big make it a big thing? >> To my knowledge as of last night there. was not really this. I mean there was no. knowledge by Chanty Bilips, by Terry. Rosier, by the league that these these. arrests were coming specifically. Um I.

didn't even have it fully confirmed. until this morning. But um now you're. able to get a look at the indictments. You're going to you're you know they're. going to be able to get a look at the. press conference, talk to local. authorities, talk to the federal. authorities. And um you know, we're. still waiting on the NBA, Portland, Miami, uh for statements and and seeing. how they're going to be handling it with. their own players and coaches if you're. if you're Portland and Miami, uh but. then as a league with the NBA. >> All right, Shams, I know you got plenty. to get to. You got your phone, you know, going off the hook. So, I appreciate you. coming on, Shams. And uh we will look.

out for here right now. On the statement. here right now, um. >> the NBA uh said they are reviewing the. federal indictments announced today. Ter. Rosier and Chanty Bilips are being. placed on immediate leave from their. teams. Uh and and. so we are going to be tweeting this out. right now, but Chanty Bilips. and Miami's Terry Rosier. >> got your sound on the. >> have been placed. on immediate leave.

>> Great work. >> Sure you spell it right. >> by the NBA. >> Okay. >> So that's indefinite, I guess, until. they get to the bottom. Do they snoop. around for a little bit? Right, Shams? >> Indictments to that. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> Arrangements. >> All right, Shams. Well, hey, we. appreciate you. Let us know if you get. any extra uh any more breaking news. straight from the sources. Let us know. We appreciate your time. >> I'll just read this whole statement. We. we are in the process of reviewing the. federal indictments announced today. Terry Rosier and Tony Bilips are being.

placed on immediate leave from their. teams and we will continue to cooperate. with the relevant authorities. We take. these allegations with the utmost. seriousness and the integrity of our. game remains our top priority. That's. the NBA statement right now delivered. here. >> Okay, Sean. So, yeah, it it sounds like. we're just. >> good work. Investigative journalist. Shams, you're killing it, buddy. Really. appreciate your time. We'll we'll reach. out to you again sometime in the near. future, I am sure. But ladies and. gentlemen, Sham Shady.

>> So, we what do we learn there? What did. we learn? It sounds like there's like. very very very serious jail like that. That's what it sound like. If they're. getting arraigned today at 1:00 and 2:30. and clearly. >> So will we see him? Would that be on. camera? Will we see him in front of the. judge? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Depends on. >> I would imagine it'll get out there. I. mean I don't know. Like. >> I mean Chanty Bill the head coach of the. team right now currently playing like. Sean said making $26 million this year. >> I mean this is a big deal. It's a really. big. >> especially for the NBA to have already.

cleared him once, you know, like and now. like so you wonder are they going to. make an example of him? How much more. evidence did came in? I mean, it's just. it's crazy. It really is. >> It's two the one thing like the NBA. needs I'm sure they want people to know. like there's these are separate. situations, right? Yeah, >> rigging rigging in illegal poker game, that's one thing. But trying to like. >> manipulate a game by by how you play or. what you may do like schematically, that's a that's another huge situation. Like that's the integrity of the game, right? >> Yeah. And them going to court like this.

stuff will come out like I mean they'll. go on trial it sounds like at least. And. who knows what does happen in the end, but you know with the NBA players being. a big part of it, but then also the the. mob kind of mafia type. >> You think it started like they were. investigating the mob for like trying to. to get in on stuff and then these they. found out the players all this and then. >> yeah the players also the poker games. and this is like going on for three four. years I heard. I mean there's I mean. like you've seen it in movies and stuff. like that where they're investigating.

for one thing and then another person. like shows up and they're like oh I. recognize that name on the list. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean obviously it's all. speculation until we. >> Also the victims though I sure the. victims could have reached out to the. FBI right they said one victim is down. 1.8$1.7 million from these poker think. like man every time I go these guys seem. to be reading my mind. >> Yeah. 1:00 today and 2:30. I'm very. interested to see what all comes out. from what Seam said. Those are the times. for Chanty Bilips and Terry Roier, but. it was clearly coordinated. I mean, if. they all got arrested at 6 a.m. this.

morning, like this is very very much. like Yeah, exactly. We got to get. everybody and we got to kind of make it. public because this is an example. You. you kind of have to set an example with. how serious it is. And you know, who. knows what happens. We'll find out. later. >> And that's why you assume that the. hammer is going to drop because anytime. there's like a coordinated thing like. this where you know, multiple people. like they have a bunch of evidence. They, you know, they're like, you're not. just going in knocking someone's door. down at 6:00 a.m. and resting three. separate people unless you have your. ducks in a row and you know, like, oh,

okay, we got these guys. >> They had the right. >> Let's see. Uh, I know Sean's mentioned. somebody's lawyer on there one time, >> Beasley. Beasley's lawyer, but let's see. like when somebody else's lawyer comes. out and stands like stands in front of. the camera and lets us know exactly. >> I saw I think it was Rosier's lawyer, uh, Pablo Tory reached out to them and. got a statement from them and said that. they're going to fight this. So, yeah, they're the lawyers are getting out. there. Well, you know, I think like we. said, this is just the beginning of all. of this stuff. It's just it's been a. wild morning just hearing all this. happen. I I can't imagine. I don't know. how they kept it quiet. I don't know how. they they were able to uh to coordinate.

this. And like Sham said, so last night, Shams had a pretty good idea something. was coming, but he didn't know what. He. didn't know who. >> No. No. >> Now, now we learn. Okay. You know, you. know, somebody else, couple other guys. that aren't here today, but have filmed. something and recorded something great. that we we didn't get to see yet. >> Who's that? >> You know what that is? Who? Couple. couple guys I used to hang on. Guy named. AJ/ AQ Shipley does In the Trenches. Darius J. Butler does everything DB. Foxy. I think we got a nice little. rendition of this. So, try to pod that.

up. And here you go, guys. >> Well, well, well. It is another incredible time of the. week where we get a chance to see who. are the fatsos that have been dominating. better than the other big men on a. football field. It is time to go in the. trenches with the top five performing. offensive lines out of week seven of the. NFL season with AQ Shipley. >> AQ. Who's the number five offensive line. coming out of week seven? Wow. >> The New England Patriots. >> Thank you. >> New England Patriots. I think everybody.

in this office is going to be happy with. this top five all day. But let's start. with the New England Patriots. Let's. take a look here. The left side. Hunter. Henry starts with him. They send him in. short motion. Go back out. Kick out. Look at the combo block. Wow. Look at. the left side of the line. They revamped. their line with two rookies, Campbell. and Wilson taking guys off the ball, creating big gaping holes. >> Now, I heard Will Campbell got small. arms. How's he able to do what he's. doing right now? >> It's unbelievable how these scouts.

always get it wrong with the short arms. >> Not always get it wrong. There are. certainly some short armed men who. didn't make it into the NFL. Will. Campbell is not one of those guys. He's. a dog. He's a beast. What is it about. this particular offense maybe that sets. this offensive line up to have success? Or is it the offensive line that is su. uh setting up the offense to have. success? >> So, let's start with the offensive line. Four or five new starters from a year. ago. They bring in two rookies on the. left side and they got Morgan Moses and. Garrett Bradberry coming in as veteran. free agents. So, those four have been. fantastic pickups and they are very good.

at running the football when they have a. fullback, when they have two tight ends, when they do what Josh McDaniels did. under Tom Brady. >> Yeah. and the uh. >> Josh McDaniels under Tom Brady. Okay, I. understand what you're saying. You were. a teammate of Tom Brady. You understand. how it actually goes behind the scenes. Go ahead, >> Conor. That would make sense. Uh but. also the uh one guy that AQ is. mentioned, the 405, the one guy that is. returning from that offensive line, he. got paid because of how good he was at. right guard, Mike on Wenu. And we moved. him last year to we I I wasn't on the. staff, but they moved him last year to.

to Yeah, I thought about to right. tackle. this year he's back at right. guard and he has been nails all season. long. uh for you, AQ, was there a. difference in the looks that they got. from, you know, Tennessee? Cuz a lot of. people on the internet, the coaches, myself included on the internet were. saying, we of course were saying, thank. you, were saying that like they were. facing a lot of, you know, eightman. boxes, sevenman boxes, and in this play, it's clearly a sevenman box, but was. there less of that because, uh, teams. are starting to respect Drake May a.

little more. there is less because they. respect what he can do passing the. football. But also Josh McDaniels loves. two tights, loves fullback. And what. does that bring? Debbut. >> base defense all all the time. So. whenever you get base defense, you're. going to have seven or eight in the box. You're going to have a safety down. You're going to have all those things. anytime you have two tights. But when. they go in passing situations and now. hand it off, it's clear six-man boxes. They're not forcing Drake May to throw. the ball in here. >> Is this New England's first time on. here? >> Uh this is their first time on here and. this is the first time all season that. they've ran the ball this well. I think.

this is the first time they've gone over. 100 yards. >> All right, New England. >> We're back. >> That's Rainbow Football, baby. Who's the. number four performing offensive line. out of week seven of the NFL season? Wow. >> Yeah, the Chicago Bears, baby. And they. look good. I put a tweet out about how. this is exactly what Ben Johnson. envisioned minus the quarterback. He. Snow's got to pick up the pace a little. bit. But let's start about. we don't need to dive into everything. you're saying. Do you think Caleb's. nowhere near where he can be in this. offense? I think if he continues to.

learn under Ben Johnson and get to the. point where he's doing things on time in. Ben's offense instead of being a little. frantic, a little panicky, rolling out. right, rolling out left, and kind of. doing all these offset things, this. offense can be just like Detroit was. >> Okay. Cannot wait to watch that. Now, the offensive line is obviously big time. talking point. They invested in it. >> They did. And their offensive line and. the run game has been fantastic. But. let's take a look. This is exactly what. Ben Johnson used to do. We get a motion. going across. Let's bring Lovelin back. across. Guess what? Don't block him. Just stiff arm. Get to the corner. This.

is the exact same play that the Atlanta. Falcons ran a couple weeks ago with Von. Miller. If you guys remember, it's a. copycat league. Here it is. >> A little whoop-de-woop to go ahead and. bait Von. No. >> Boom. Same thing. Stiff arm. Get out to. the corner. >> Got him. >> And then you get the edge. >> Oh, that's a great play design. So, people say, "You know what? If you can. do it, why not us do it?" And Coulson. Lovelin, rookie tight end, good pick. here. Good uh good uh blocking for him. because they're they're coming after him. with the way Tyler Warren. I know. And I. feel bad for him because exactly that. He gets drafted ahead of Tyler Warren.

Tyler Warren's the best tight end in. football right now. >> He might be the best player. Yeah. >> Might be the best player and he's been. fantastic. And then Colston Lovelin. starting to pick it up. He's starting to. get some catches. He was good in the run. game. He's doing a lot of really good. things for him now. >> And uh George KD obviously known as. blocking uh tight end. If you can if you. can block and not just be a weapon. downfield, 2025 feels like it's going to. be a good time for you as a tight end in. the NFL. It's. >> huge. If you can block as a tight end, you have a job forever. and he had to do. it at Michigan. >> Oh yeah, >> he was a phenomenal pass threat, which. you didn't see a lot of that because of.

the passing game at Michigan for a lot. of his time there, but yeah, he's a. blocker. >> What did they do? 30 straight runs. against JJ McCarthy, first round draft. pick quarterback. First round draft pick. tight end, obviously on the same field. Let's go 35 straight runs. Why? Because. they can't stop it. So, let's just keep. doing that. Let's just win the game and. get out of here. Love the selflessness. of that particular team. Go ahead, Con. Yeah, when you say copycat league, I. assume Ben Johnson isn't going back. through the, you know, internet or the. plays of every single game. Are there. coaches specifically or not coaches, but. jobs specifically for, you know, people.

to bring plays to Ben Johnson or whoever. that they can then maybe implement if. they like them? >> Oh, yeah. There's people upstairs that. are scouring the internet. They are. going on everybody's internet. They're. looking at film. They're doing. everything and they're trying to find. those plays. I remember when I was with. Cliff, we would get plays and we'd get a. one-word play for the week and it'd be. like Abalene. >> and it's like why is it? Oh, we got this. play from Abalene Christian in 2017 and. it's some trick play that you had up for. the week. But for them, it probably just. popped up on a similar opponent as.

they're watching tape. It's like, oh, put that in the archives and then all of. a sudden it's up. >> Do we have the personnel to be able to. do this? We do. Let's go to the number. three performing offensive line. I mean, what. >> Oh, nice, dude. >> Top three. Yeah, this is good. five. every week. >> Top three. >> They're top five every week. >> Congratulations, >> Indianapolis Colts. They are the best. offensive line in football. But this No, they're. >> This is a week-to-eek rankings. And for. this week, there were two groups that.

played better than their offensive line. That is not saying that they didn't play. good, cuz they did play good. And you. will see exactly why on this play in. particular. Let's look. This is called. 11 trap. 11 cuz we're going to the left. Odd number. Quinton Nelson and Raymond. on the left side. Watch them bluff this. DTackle. He falls down. You don't have. to do anything. Quinton Nelson up at the. left up in the next level. And then if. you look, go back one more time. Look at. the right side. Bordellini gets a cross. face. As hard as. >> Bordellini, we didn't even bring that up. when we were talking about spaghetti. >> earlier. Bordellini gets the cross face.

He seals it. Braden Smith gets the cross. face. He seals it. And then the biggest. thing is they get the blitz up the field. and that creates the big gaping hole out. the back. Sick celebration. I mean, he's. got a good seller. Very good. Figured it. out. Very replicable. Uh very doable and. it looks cool every time. And with how. fast he runs, it just kind of carries. him. >> Exactly. Gets right into it after he. crosses the goal line. >> Yeah. It doesn't look like it's too. much. It feels like that was a good. brainstorm session and ended up in a. great spot for him. He's scoring a lot.

of touchdowns. That's because the. offensive line's. >> best off in football. Yeah, third best. according to this. >> He said the best. So, >> no. No, see this week it looks like. they're the third best six and one. >> Best team, best offensive line. >> cumulative third season. >> Russian. >> Third best. >> Leading Russian most consistent. offensive line this season. >> You told Boralini right to his face. He's [ __ ] third. >> Borderline's been great. >> I know. Is that right? >> I know he has. >> Quint Nelson's been great. Both tackles.

been great. What's wrong with the north. left corner of this particular. >> Well, there's two teams. >> They're great. >> That had better performances amongst the. offensive line this week. >> Oh, you think Bordellini is a um. spaghett guy? >> No, I I think he's a rigetone guy. justified. He has likes rolling folks. >> Torellini maybe. >> Maybe toolini. I mean for toolini you. might just say look at me, you know, the. family in the entire ghoul.

>> Yeah, he's great. He's been Hey, graci. for what you've been doing for us over. here with the, you know, mutel and and. the pepperoni and the brude and. everything they're doing here, which is. obviously good. Number three offensive. line coming out of week seven is the. Indianapolis Colts. Who's the number two. performing offensive line out of week. seven? Wow. >> The Detroit Lions. >> Okay. Okay. >> Hey, Foxy, before you let this thing. run, let me just talk about why I loved. this group. I watched this film. yesterday and as I took a look at this. film, it reminded me of a 9 on seven.

practice. You remember 9 on seven. You. remember 9 on seven. Here's what gets. lost in the sauce. Whenever you do nine. on seven, you let your technique go out. the window and it just becomes an. attitude game, right? Cuz you're just. trying to win the the drill. And. whenever you're trying to win the drill, I'm coming off the ball harder. I might. miss sometimes, but I'm trying to punch. you in the [ __ ] mouth. >> Strange a little bit. >> They knew who was coming into town. It. was Tampa Bay, right? It was Vita. It. was all the boys trying to punch you in. the mouth. This was like a nine on seven. game. And they also had some really good. plays in the technique. And you guys all. remember this play from the other night.

Let's take a look. So look, two double. teams at the point of attack. That's. called. >> duo. There it is. Two double teams. Let's watch them get hip to hip. Cover. these guys up. Get up on Levante David. The running back sets up the block and. then. >> see you. >> That's Sonic. See you. >> That's right. >> That's Sonic. >> So good. >> See you. I mean, that's so good. >> That's got to be fun. >> I mean, look at Khif Raymond, too. Just. sticking his nose in there. >> Cap insert. Incredible. >> Go back to the beginning again. Uh, Penny Soul celebrating this down the. field is awesome. I mean, just the moxy.

of the and the midnight blue. What are. these? The. >> the Motor City Muscle. >> Great unis. Great unis. And uh the. number zero looks really cool, doesn't. it? AQ. You think that's why he's. running a little bit better? Maybe. they're blocking a little bit better. >> I mean, he's running 25 miles an hour. He sets up. Both safeties fill outside. He just hits at 100 miles an hour right. up the A gap. It was incredible. >> Yeah, maybe they did have a pretty good. weekend. I guess somebody's going to. have to be stupendous to be the number. one performing offensive line in week. seven of the NFL season. Who would that.

be? >> That'd be the San Francisco 49ers. >> That's [ __ ]. >> 175 yards rushing. Christian McCaffrey. was back. This is his best rushing. performance since the year 2023. >> Wow. That was just a couple years ago. cuz we're currently in the year 2025. Now, whenever you think about this. Niners team, you think about them having. a tough offense. You think about them. having an incredible run game. This has. been the first time they've been number. one in some time now. Is that because. KD's back or what did you see this week? >> It's everything to do with 44 and 85.

I'm telling you, their offensive line. plays better. It sets it up for the. scheme that they want to do. This play. right here. We're going to get power. down. We're going to motion across. Get. the tight end at the point of attack. Use downhill. Old school power. Boom. Boom. Everyone washes down. Look at KD. He's the home run block. He's the home. run block on the backside. If you watch. him climb, he gets up to Jesse Bates. Watch this. Because Jesse Bates, if you. slacking on, look at him get skinny, get. inside leverage and give him another. five or six yards. >> I think I was looking at another white. tight end. >> Far left, far left, far left,

>> 89 the whole time. The linebacker, good. block by 89 as well. >> George KD getting up there also. fantastic. >> Incredible. >> They got good fundamentals. And what did. you say about their practice drills? >> So whenever they like, so for instance, BA, if he runs uh blitz drill, it's. going to be nine out of 10 of the plays. are going to be pass plays. If it's Kyle. Shanahan, it's a Bliss drill. They're. still getting eight runs in because they. are constantly running that run game. Everything is off of the run game. >> The reps go on and on and on and on and. on and on and on and on and on and on.

and on and on and on. >> It's a lot of reps. >> and on and on and on and on and on and. on and on and on and on and on and on. and on and on. >> Is that it? >> It's a good ring game. Well, some days I. mean they just they go on and on and on. and on and on and on and on and on and. on and on and on and on and on. You guys. know I mean. >> people say this bit potentially.

>> Yeah. This bit my my voice I don't know. how much it can last but if I had to. guess it could probably go on and on and. on and on and on and on and on and on. and on and on and on and on and on and. on. And hopefully this seg right here. will continue to go on and on and on and. on and on and on and on and on. >> And the streak of the Indianapolis Colts. ending up in the top five and not being. number one shall continue, I guess, in. AQ Shipley's mind. That's in the.

trenches with AQ Shipley. And you know. what? Sometimes you get in the middle of. a segment, you think, man, I wish this. went all day. I I wish it kind of went. on and on and on and on and on and on. and on and on and on and on and on and. on and on and on and on and on and on. and on and on and on and on and on and. on and on and on and on and on and on. and on and on and on. >> I sure do. >> How's it feel? I almost passed out during that last.

one, but kind of just find found a. [ __ ] you know, >> find. Yeah, I went mock there for a. little bit. >> Shout out to. >> Yeah, shout out and Bob and Bob. >> Miss you, Bob. >> Yeah, we've been great. Yeah, thank you. for your service and uh great golf. clubs. We appreciate you over there at. PXG. And your accent is fantastic as. well. And if that segment would have. went no. >> say a short one we wouldn't have been. able to get to ladies and gentlemen it's.

time for everything DB good D bad D with. Darius Shir. before we get to these plays and the. teams and the defenses that are on there. is one omission this week the Cleveland. Browns I know I'm going to get some. Texas they beat the [ __ ] out of the. Dolphins obviously to looked bad it just. wasn't a lot of teaching moments from. those players was just very very stinky. but shout out Tyson Campbell with a pick. sick Hickman in and uh who else got a. pick in that game? Raan Jenkins as well. But let's get to the T. >> So this is like when this is like when. they were judging party schools back.

whenever we were in school and they were. like West Virginia's a professional. party school. We will not judge them. amongst the others. Here is the top 25. You're saying hey like Cleveland Browns. >> you guys embarrassed the entire I mean. it just. >> and I mean Tua is you know Tua Mike. McDaniel Dolphins they've been buried. every. >> Yeah. But Cleveland Browns certainly. >> Yeah. Brown likewise good defense. Very. good defense. Okay. So, congrats to. them. Congrats to Bronson. >> In the league of their own. Way to go, Brian. >> This week. >> This week. >> Yeah. But let's get to the tape. Some. teaching moments from around the league.

Starting with the Carolina Panthers. Now, missing a quarterback. This. defense. You talk about complimentary. football defense. Derek Brown. He's been. dominant as far as being an interior. defensive lineman. And then JC Horn, one. of the corners that got paid this off. seasonason. He's been phenomenal since. stepping into the league. The only thing. that you would say about JC Horn, hey, need some more ball production and just. staying healthy. And you're seeing more. and more of that this year. This is his. second time, I believe, on everything. DB. This is a cover six look. So, at the. bottom of the screen, JC Yep. JC Horn is.

uh up there up top and on the bottom of. the screen, this is cover two. And then. on the other side, it'll be cover four. Hence why we get the cover six. So, quarters technique. He's outside. leverage. You'll watch his safety. This. is a route two beat quarters. Boom. Safety settles down. And then you got. outside leverage from the quarterback. post route. Boom. When you are when. you're behind, we call that out of. phase. You're not taught to look back. for the ball. But once you get kind of. towards that end zone, you really got. nothing to lose. This is what you call. not panicking, not just running into the. receiver, getting the PI, going up high.

pointing this thing with one hand. It's. the second time you've been on here, not. only getting an interception, but. getting a one-hander. This was. absolutely nasty. Tyrod Taylor, T-Mobile. We'll see if he starts this. week for the Jets. At least he was. taking a shot down the field. But a. phenomenal play from JC Horn from. outside leverage and quarters coverage. up top. >> As Aaron Glenn said earlier in the week, the Jets will have a quarterback. Uh the. Carolina Panthers have a team. >> Yes, this is how many wins are on now? Four. Three. I think three. Yeah, three.

They lost they got the [ __ ] beat out by. the Patriots, I believe. Got a win, then. lost to the Patriots, then rattled off. three straight. The run game, which we. know has been great. And then. defensively, they've been great as well. Once again, we'll see what happens at uh. quarterback position. This is his second. pick in this game. Now, you should never. go to this matchup. Reynolds on the. outside with JC. This is a practice rep. This is something you practice at. one-on- ones. Hey, DB versus DB. Usually. don't see it this easy in the game, but. yeah. Press out. He goes outside, gets.

his head around high points and lean and. locate. Just absolutely textbook. >> Coach throwing that ball. >> Exactly. Exactly. You've seen You've. seen. >> I've actually thrown that ball. >> Yeah. You've seen this drill. This is. literally what this is. I don't know. what T-Mobile was thinking at this point. in the game going at that matchup. one-on-one. The safety was completely on. the other side of the field because you. have a $25 million a year quarterback. and this is why you have them. >> JC Horn making plays. Go ahead, K. Man, >> for to Deepa's point about just their, you know, record as of recently. This is. their first road win. Like their splits.

between road and home are insane. They're dominant at home. And now it's. Buffalo who has had trouble stopping the. run going to Carolina with Andy Dalton. And then Rico Daell and Chuba Hubard now. back for a second game like that's a. sneaky Bills that Panthers. You you see. it and you hear it and you're like. whatever. But then when you when you. realize the Panthers are a good football. team. It's a tough game. >> And we have to know Conor certainly. hoping for one of those as well. >> But but I'm also with with the full. expectation that the Bills are the Bills. and Josh Allen is still the MVP of this.

>> Well, you start snooping around the. Carolina team though. You're like. >> good team. >> Wait a minute. There's a chance here. which would be great for the Patriots at. the moment. The Patriots very close to. being number one seed in the AFC right. now. >> That's right. On your heels. On your. heels. Can you hear us coming? Can you. hear us? We're coming. >> Danny can't hear anything. Actually, if. you seen any He's locked in 1,000%. There is no noise outside other than. nice little Halloween party with the. Pacers and the boys have a little beer. Go ahead to some more good D. >> Here we go. Next. Hey. >> Speaking of the boys. Hey, my coach Lum. and this defense, they have been.

phenomenal. Now, Nick Cross will get. this interception here. You'll see it. better from the replay. Pause it real I. want you. So, they're going to motion to. four strong, but number three receiver. right now. Uh, right there, right on the. hash. That's Lad Mccunki. Going to. double him. So, I think this that's. where uh Justin's going to want to go. with this ball. He's going to get. doubled from the opposite side of the. field. That safety that's on this hash. down here. He's going to come and take. that short one away. And then Justin. Herbert is going to go uh to the crosser. right here. Third and seven, 23 game. They could they get a touchdown here.

They cut it down to a two- possession. game. But Nick Cross makes a great play. turning around, looking him up, then. getting his head around last second. Kind of one hand pick, trapping it. against the shoulder. You'll get a. closer look at it here. Boom. Unbelievable play right here. Especially. in the endzone. Anytime you get an. interception where either you're setting. your offense up in the scoring position. or in the flip side of that when the. other offense is a big swing in points. and momentum, the other offense is. threatening to drive to get a points in. the game. That's a big time. interception. Getting his head around. there, not panicking, not just getting a.

PI, but getting your head around and. making a play on the ball. If you pause. it here, like run it back to the. beginning. He kind of makes it look like. he's running with Lad. Then he drops Lad. to the double coverage and then turns. around on Quinton Johnston here. So. that's a great play from Nick Nick Cross. from beginning to end. >> Who Tell me a little bit more about Nick. Cross. He gets sacks. He's all over the. field. This guy's [ __ ] everywhere. >> Unbelievable. I believe he was a second. round pick out of Maryland. Uh career. kind of started off rough after his. first maybe second year. They're ready. to run him out of town, honestly. But he.

leading the league. I mean, leading the. team in tackles right now going into uh. this week's game. And then he's just. been a playmaker. He can blitz. He can. show up in the run game. And then if he. can add this element to his game as. well, getting ball production, he can. play in the league for a long, long time. and make a ton of money. But Luke, you. talk about what Lannoman is doing and. what his scheme is like. Imagine this as. a quarterback, especially in that low. red area. >> We drafted him 2022, third round out of. Maryland. He's been here now and he is. really exploding. He He is everywhere.

Yeah, 20 is actually everywhere. I like. this little he baited butter right here. He baited butter right here and then. does a walking spin move while covering. a guy and then the ball's on him and has. incredible and then he'll blitz just. like the next play and run his face. right through somebody. I'm a big fan of. Nick Cross. >> Yeah, it's insane that those were the, you know, first two plays on everything. DB just like the IQ of JC Horn and Cross. there. But we, you guys talk about. middle eight all the time like this is a. not not just a, you know, interception.

And this is the two-minute warning. They. they don't get any points and then the. Colts go and kick a field goal. It's. like that that's not the play of the. game, you know, when you look back on. it. But then looking at it right now, 20. to3, possibly 20 to 10, and it ends up. being 23 to three. >> J did not like us going I I forgot we. didn't bring that up to JJ. He did not. like us going for a field goal rate at. all. >> Yo, J, it's 20 to3. J, let's just. [ __ ] we're trying to get make sure. this the last drive. >> I don't like these decision. I was. texting him in the middle of the game. I'm like, "Yo, it was third down. What.

do you want them to do? If we could give. them the ball back, they'd potentially. score again." He's I It was before that. And then like afterwards, he's like, "Well, they do it at 13 seconds. Why are. they doing that?" It's like, "Okay, that. decision we can certainly get after.". But it's like everything Stiken's doing. right now. All three phases, it's all. working. Like Lou Anarumo has been. perfect for this team. Special teams. don't really have to do much, but they. do somehow. We get massive return. whenever we need it, if we have to have. it. And then on offense, uh, offensively, JJ said we're always on. schedule. It's like I'm not questioning. anything, J. So when you're calling this.

Colts game next time, Jage, just know. Shane's got it figured out. >> That's probably why he was questioning. because we were cooking with gas on. offense and I'm sure watching them on. tape and then coming in seeing what. they're doing, then getting the ball two. minutes left. I'm not sure how many. timeouts, but from like the first play, you saw, okay, it was no sense of. urgency. They did get down there, but. then Shane at his halftime interview, I. think he said like, look, we just wanted. this to be the last possession of the. game before heading into halftime. >> Shane, we don't doubt Shane. >> Shane would say, look, Dag Nummit. Yeah. Gracious to Pete. What do you want me to. do?

>> Say all those things. You know, he's. great miked up. >> Yeah, he is. >> Explain that to me. >> Oh, look. It's going to be a touchdown. Look at this [ __ ] Look at this. Look at. this. Look at this. It's going to be a. touchdown. >> Touchdown right here. >> And what if it's not? They don't really. show if it's not. All right. Next play. This one's What's the next touchdown? Uh, >> cut that. Cut that. >> Next touch. This one's going to be a. touchdown, everybody. Look at this. I. love his optimism. I love his energy. I. love how it's working out. Let's go to. some more good deals. >> Talking about optimism, energy, and. somebody else. That's great. Mike miked. up. Kelvin Shepard had these boys. rolling in prime time against the Tampa. Bay Bucks. 14-0 right here. Now, you.

seen this replay a lot. Seen this talked. about a lot. Talk about the middle eight. again. This is uh two minute I mean, yeah, two-minute situation. Second. quarter, 152 on the clock. And honestly, Baker Mayfield, he dropped and threw the. ball, dropped back and threw the ball a. ton this game, but he was mo so. hesitant. Like, I haven't seen him this. hesitant I don't know how long, but that. lets you know how confusing probably. this defense was to him. You'll see if. you run it back, this the beginning of. the frame, you'll see the disguise here. Maybe man-to-man coverage. You look at. that top safety. Then once he gets the. snap and he drops back, they go to a.

split split safety coverage. And you can. see Baker's not really, I guess, confident or comfortable because if he. steps up, he can kind of hit this number. one receiver right behind this. underneath dropper. But Author Mlette. right here, who's circled, he does a. great job as a zone defender, especially. underneath zone defender. You're taught. to break on the quarterback's intention. And so you break on their eyes and you. break on their intentions and he does a. great job. And he showed up with. physicality attacking the football and. 99 times out of 100 if it's considered a.

tie or two guys go to the ground with. the ball, they're going to give the tie. to the offense. This was probably the. first time I ever seen this overturned. And then on review when I'm looking at. it, >> what if you pause I mean if you pause it. here. Yeah. With a second look like it. looks like Autton's holding on to a. bunch of forearm and Arthur Mlette has a. lot more of the football. So I wasn't. you know maybe it's the former DB DB and. me. Maybe it's me rooting for Kelvin. Shepard. But I saw this as an. interception as well. This got. overturned from New York. >> I did as well. I saw it as an. interception as well. But to your point.

about Tai goes to the runner. That's. always kind of the case here in these. particular types of plays. So they. overturn this, give this to Detroit, then they do a second look on a first. down that goes into are you guys? >> Yeah. I mean, there was also a sack. where our guy tripped the quarterback. and they didn't call it. Yeah, there was. a couple things here that you know what, we're just going to take those cuz what. comes around goes around. And also that. was called a catch on the field. That. that blew my mind more that they. reversed it. Like I just figured they. would just say, "Yep, it was a catch on. the field. We have no evidence. We're.

going to keep it moving." But instead. the ref said, "Oh, we got you in the. Chiefs game. Here you go, Lions. >> Oh, on that football, remember? >> Yeah. Is that what they said? Is that. what they said? I don't think that's the. case. I I think that maybe maybe New. York wants Detroit to win. >> The New Darlings of the NFL. >> Yeah. Maybe the Lions fans can never. ever say anything ever again about the. ref. >> Disgusting. >> Ever. Never again. >> Ever. Now, in this one though, >> next hundred years cuz it was a prime. time game. Yep. >> Prime time game. A lot of injuries. needed. the MVP.

>> against against best team in football. people were saying other than the. Indianapolis Colts prime time they give. that one to the Detroit after a second. look what. >> never heard that. >> how many looks are we doing here well. they challenge something else but he get. what are we then. >> Lions fans hey it must be nice. >> must be nice. >> take him anytime we can get them and. also I like that everyone agreed like. watching that play it looked like an. interception and then they called it an. interception I enjoy that aspect. >> yeah We certainly like that. I would.

like that to be known that we like the. common sense reign. Uh true here, but. also a lot of common sense situations. happening for the Lions all of a sudden. >> Not to bring up um another fourth down. questionable call by the refs, but that. little option play. >> Yeah, that I don't know. I don't know if. he got the first there. It's. >> kind of out of bounds. >> Unbelievable. And you said they gave it. to him. They gave. >> they got. me first down. >> Wow.

>> That was the first push him over it. looked like. But now all of a sudden I'm. thinking we need to go back and look at. that play. >> Man, what's going on with the refs in. New York? >> Tampa Bay Buccaneers. >> The Detroit Lions getting favorable. calls. >> We need about 10,000 more calls to make. it even. >> Oh, never going to be good enough. >> It's never going to be enough. NFL. >> Detroit Lions. More like Detroit Lion. >> The Lion Lions. Wow. That does sound. like there's some lies coming out of the.

Lions fan base. If they don't think that. maybe the NFL is on their side, we don't. want to hear it anymore. NFL, we'd like. to let you know. >> If you just gave the Colts a bunch of. calls, we'd be okay with it. >> Absolutely. >> We'd be thankful for it. We'd. acknowledge it and we wouldn't say you. need 10,000 more to make up for what. you've done in the past. We'd say it's. a-ok. Okay. Do we have more good D or. bad D? >> Absolutely. We still got some more good. D over here. Pause. Here we go. Down at. the bottom of the screen. Vikings vers. the Eagles. This is a rookie, Andrew. Makuba. This is his second time, I. believe, on everything DB. If you pause. it right here, boom. Who we circling?

One of the best, if not the best wide. receiver in football with Justin. Jefferson. They're going to run a cover. two over Justin Jefferson. But I want. you to watch as this play develop the. safety because obviously he's focused on. 18 to start. You let it run here. This. is the uh Carson Wentz interception that. we've seen earlier in the week, but. we'll see a little deeper dive into it. So, pause. Great job by the quarterback. and the safety being over top of Justin. Jefferson. But once the quarterback. breaks the pocket, he's going to throw. it to this receiver. I believe Jordan.

Addison running all the way across the. field. And if Makuba doesn't get back, spin around and look for work and make. this play. He honestly probably catches. this ball running away from uh Mitchell. It's a great play. Great heads up play. by the rookie. Not only being aware of. it, but going up there and making a play. on the football. >> I like that. Uh Vic Fangio isn't FJI. over. >> I like that they still got all the dogs. cuz remember it was Joe Bolver down. there for Fani over with the Miami. Dolphins and maybe it's just Joel Bover.

for everybody down there at the Miami. Dolphins and Vic Fangio celebrating a. new life up there in Philadelphia. A lot. of communication present. Yeah, if you. run it back right here, I I was just. going to point that out and this is. something that uh you know the common. watcher may not see or pay attention to, but if you run it all the way back, the. thing about playing the nickel position, Cooper Design is in the slot is. communication, the verbal and nonverbal. communication. So this pointing, I'm. sure there's some talking going on with. the pointing as well. A lot of point, boom, boom. Maybe let him know. something. Let them know then let it. play and watch 33 again because you.

think why you throw it down there. Pause. it. It's uh back about three clicks. If. you just watch 33 underneath as a slot. defender, as a underneath dropper, it's. not only about uh looking up the. receiver. I talked about being a zone. defender about the intentions and the. eyes on the quarterback. So, he just. feels this receiver behind him. Let it. run. Boom. Fills him. Nobody's open. short. Jefferson's covered. Obviously, Naylor's covered. You just throw it down. deep. >> Carson. >> Yeah. He doesn't see he doesn't think. >> Carson went experience for sure. He.

doesn't think by any chance that Makuba. is going to get back to that play. So, great job. I mean, obviously you'll see. from the TV replay that, you know, Carson was, you know, he's pretty bummed. out. >> I mean, how does C like C, it's Cooper. Dean, right? You said. >> he the the legs are mirrored and he's. not even looking at the guy when when he. turns and pivots. That is. >> ridiculous. I don't even know how the. hell you can feel that. like right right here. Ready? >> Yep. Just feel. >> He goes He goes Yeah. Right, left, right. And then stops. >> Yeah. Just like.

>> he's written Carson, I think. Right. >> Exactly. Yeah. bring the attention to. the quarterback cuz as soon as he breaks. that pocket, you know, it kind of turns. into a scramble drill sometimes, but as. that underneath defender, you just feel. it. >> Yeah. You feel him. >> It's insane. >> Yeah. >> Well, and also that's why the no look is. so impressive. >> Yeah. >> Cuz if you just get him a Cooper a. little bit off and then you throw that. thing back, all of a sudden that's a. completion instead of a I don't think. he's open. Uh hell, there's a guy wayo. down there. Let me hawk this thing. I'm. Carson W. And uh that's fun. We're. appreciative of him doing that. Do we. have more good D? >> No, that's all the good D. So then we.

got to go back. >> Absolutely. Sorry fans. The Vikings are. still on here. Uh cover two. And. something that we're kind of seeing week. in and week out on the bad D some. inverted cover two. So all that means is. that the safety or the linebacker, somebody else becomes the flat defender, which is usually number two down here. They are usually a fat. They are playing. usually the flat as the DB as a corner. But now they go back to be the deep half.

defender as a cornerback. Now, can they. do it? Absolutely. But it's something. that safeties do down in and down out, week in and week out. But now you're. putting that on the cornerback. So now. in the deep half, number one receiver, which Devonte Smith is down here, you. always want to be inside of the number. one receiver if you're a deep half. So. he's already in a bad spot here. And he. also he doesn't have the depth. So what. happen when you don't have the depth is. you kind of panic cuz that receiver. obviously these boys can run. They get. up on you quick. So boom, does a great.

job stemming him even more outside. Gets. him to flip his hips and then runs a. great route and obviously play action. under center. You saw a little bit more. of that from Jaylen Herz and Eagles. offense even though they didn't run the. ball well. Great. >> great ball deep ball from Jaylen Herz. But yeah, he put him in I mean that's a. great great route. >> because if he just lines up if these two. guys just line up and race Isaiah Rogers. one of the fastest players in the. league. But when you set him up like. that and have him hit that spinner rue. and then obviously a quarterback throws. a dot. One of the best I think deep ball.

throwers in the league when he could. just get back there and throw it to six. or 11. Jaylen Herz when he's playing. ball. Perfect passer rating this week. Just a great job by not only the. quarterback but the receiver right here. setting him up. >> A little bit of a blender. Okay, that's. not a good place to be. Obviously feel. very helpless and hopeless. And if. that's what the offense is going to look. like for Philadelphia going forward, they might go back to back to back and. maybe everybody will be happy. Absolutely. We got some more bad D. >> We got one more. One more. And it's the. same thing. >> It's Big D giving some bad D to the.

Commanders. >> It's the same thing. So right here at. the bottom of the screen, you got. Marshon Latimore. He's going to become. the deep half safety. So once again, inverted cover, too. But this safety, he's not going to be the flat defender. He's going to be the middle run through, which is usually the Mike linebacker. here. So he's going to be responsible. for CD Lamb up uh to the left side of. the formation if you're looking at it. defensively. And he's going to drop that. middle read. Boom. So he let it run. here. Running with the middle read. Boom. Now I drop it and I go to the dig. Dagger concept. We see this week in and. week out. CD Lamb sees that he gets.

dropped. He knows it's not a middle of. field safety. He just throws his hand. up. Dak. Dak. Throw me the ball. He sees. him. Marshon takes a bad angle because. once again as a quarterback, as good as. Marawn is as a as a corner, that's. something that safeties usually do. Angles are everything as a DB. Offensive. lineman as well. So, if you're playing. out of position, it's tough. And he. actually knocks off the other D, the. other safety. And then these boys. walking, backpedaling into the end zone. But great job by Dak seeing him and he's. bummed out because he was in position to.

make this play, but he took a bad angle. and it turned into a touchdown. That's. the life of a DBL. >> Yeah, that is tough. And obviously, we. all saw that play. I'm excited to learn. why and how he got there. Well, congrats. to the Dallas Cowboys seemingly on. firing on all cylinders, cooking gas. They really It looks like vibes are. immaculate down there for the Dallas. Cowboys. Good for them. They got a lot. of talent on the offense side. Defense. side obviously it thing. How about the. good D and bad D from everything. >> All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm. going to do a magic trick. Watch this. I'm going to go ahead and snap my. fingers and all of a sudden a different.

human is going to be sitting right here. >> What? >> Yeah. Have you ever seen something like. this? >> Never. >> No. >> You're going to disappear, too, [ __ ]. >> Whoa. What? How? >> Hold on. Should we do it at the same. time? >> Just It's my trick, not yours. >> Just [ __ ] sit there and shut up. We. have some magic. D, but guess what, bro? >> You're [ __ ] disappearing, too. >> Okay, >> I'm going to snap my fingers and you. three, myself included, us three, >> are going to be gone and there's going. to be a new person sitting right here. >> [ __ ]. >> Do you think that's possible? >> Yep. >> Thank you. A. >> What about sitting here? >> Oh, yeah. Who's sitting there? >> Brand new person.

>> [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Spooky, man. >> Do you believe it could it's possible? >> Well, I've seen magic on the stage. before, so yeah, I'm alone. Super duper. One of the goats. >> Boys, in front of you right now, there's about. to be some [ __ ] magic. There's about. to be something that you're going to. talk about forever. I'm sitting in this. seat right now, but as soon as I snap. these fingers, there's going to be a. brand new person sitting here. Foxy, if. you would go to the straight on shot, that would be what we are looking for. Ladies and gentlemen, in three, two, and.

Oh, >> it is magic. It is magic, right? I mean, look at that. I had no idea it would. work out that well. And here we go. I. just boom. Rose from the ashes. Here it. is. >> Big game, guys. Hey, uh, good D, bad D. in the trenches with AQ Shapeway. Darius. Jay Butler. I I love watching those. segments. I don't know about you guys. I. actually, every time I learn a lot, and. it actually. >> it brings up like 15 questions every. time. I wish I was there to to badger. them throughout their whole situation.

because we know nothing stops a Ram. truck, right? >> No, it doesn't. >> We know. We see the old LR wrap up. there. What's it sound like? Come in. What's it? >> And with that being said, we got a big. game tonight. Obviously, Vikings. Chargers. Tone. Where is the money at. tonight? >> The money tonight is on the Vikings. Actually, plus or sorry, 56% of the. money is on the Vikings tonight. Uh they. are plus three and a half or plus three. at some places. Uh as far as the line.

goes. Uh a couple stats for you tonight. K. I don't know if this is going to. stats. I don't know if this is going to. deter you or or favor any way that. you're going tonight. Carson Wentz, >> the Wah aolic, >> the WZ machine. >> Yeah, >> the WZ project. >> Uhhuh. >> Okay. 7 and0 on Thursday Night Football. Okay. Is Is that good? Hold on though. >> We got a bit of an immovable object. versus the Unstoppable Force tonight. The Vikings on Thursday Night Football. >> 0 and7. >> Jeez. >> So, what do we do? What are we supposed. to do? >> That's up to you, brother.

>> What are you going to do? I don't know. yet. >> Car that those are what they would call. a trend, right? >> Trend of both sides, but double negative. it makes it a positive. >> Bango, >> but there's a fact line at zero on this. one. So, they cancel each other out. So, you just got to look at the football. >> Got to trust my instincts. Okay. And. that's when you go to the other side. Uh. Jim Harbaugh, I believe, is 4-0 on short. weeks. He's 4-0. I don't know if it's on. Thursday Night Football, if it's on like. a Sunday and and then to Monday. Yeah, here it is. The Chargers are 4-0 against.

the spread on short rest under Jim. Harbaugh. Now, short rest, I don't know, but this definitely would be short rest. So, maybe that that's kind of the one. that puts it over the goal line, uh, per. se. I'm not too sure, but I do know uh. Big Mike McCarthy, who's not on today, he's on tomorrow. He will, uh, send us. his pick before the end of the before. the end of the show as well. So, we will. >> before the end of the show today, we. will know Big Mike's pick, okay? because. that definitely informs me on where I'm. going to go because of Big Mike and. >> his football prowess. I believe if he.

was picking games, he would be like six. and one now or five and one, something. crazy. >> Two, I think. Yeah. >> Pittsburgh guy, you know, had a goal. >> Got to go back home, right? Got to go. back home. Would have been nice. It's. >> going to be a good night for a green. goal. >> Yeah, we got a heart out here coming. here shortly. But we got Kirk Herbstreet. joining us in the next hour about 1:20 I. believe. He'll preview the game. I know. he's out there. Uh I think he has a pack. of wild dogs with him. Really? Maybe not. wild, but I think Peter, Mitch, Jimmy, Bob, I think everybody's there. D is.

there. I don't know. But you know what? Take three. We'll be right back, everybody. >> Is my guy here named? >> Ben G. >> What is your major? >> Psychology. >> Okay. You're a psychology major. You. You're a deep thinker. Is that right? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Is that going to help or hurt you. today? You think? >> Maybe hurt a little. >> Okay. Okay. Well, I want to let you know. psychology wise, you should know that. there is a radiant energy of positivity. right to your left. Jelly Roll will be. here helping out. So, Jelly Roll said, "Pat, I want to try to win hundreds of.

thousands of dollars for a charity in. Athens. I want to kick a ball for. $100,000 to give back to this community. that is embracing him as a part of it.". >> And I think I'm fixing to split the. upright. >> Okay. How much weight have you lost now? I've lost $250 for this moment. Georgia, I'm fixing to do it. >> All right, Ben. The kick is currently. $100,000 for you. If he makes it, it'll. go up to $250,000. We will also donate $100,000 to a local.

charity. Jelly Roll. >> And I will match that $100,000. So, $200,000 to a local charity, baby. >> Let's go, Jelly Roll. Let's go. Let's. go, Jelly Roll. >> Okay. >> Herby will also toss in $100,000 to. charity, which is very kind of him. Yes, sir. >> $300,000 for charity. >> All right. >> I was worried for my time. >> All right. What can I do different, Pat? >> I think you could try to aim to the. right if I were you. Or if you knew.

somebody that was a very good kicker. I. think now would be a great time to just. go ahead and say, "Hey, why don't you do. that for me?". >> You know what? >> Why don't you raise some money for the. city? >> I'll make another 100,000. We'll make it. 300,000 to local charity. Okay, >> if you'll let me pick up the legendary. Hot Rod from Georgia back here, baby. My. boy Hot Rod is in the house today. >> Hot Rod, it's great to see you. You look. fantastic. Thank you for your service to. the Colts. Can't wait to see you back in. the NFL. Okay, so he'll put up How much.

you put up? >> $200,000 for a charity right here in. Georgia after. >> I'll put up $200,000 as well. Kirk will. put up 200,000. We got a $600,000. donation and Ben's kick will be worth. 400,000. This could be a million dollars. here. Hot Rod. >> 33 yds. Hot Rod. Potentially a million. on the line. Let's go.

Let's go. >> Still got it. Still got it. Thank you. >> This is very expensive. Ben. B. Back to you. Back to you. >> During commercial break, there was no. way we were going to be able to get out. of that lawn out there without giving. him another shot. 100,000 bucks. He. knocks it through. Pumped for Ben. Thankful for Hot Rod.

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then he was playing then he wasn't he. played great they took care of business. with he he had a was it groin or knee. Bruce I'm not. >> quad he was questionable with a grade. two quadr. like a warrior. >> yeah between the uh knee and groin I. knew it was somewhere in there but yeah. they played very well 76 or Celtics. Celtics without Tatum they they put up a. fight but the rookie who stole the show. right there on the second tab VJ. Edgecomb 34 points.

seven rebounds and uh three assists to. kind of, you know, steal the night when. it comes to rookie performances. He was. amazing. Him and Tyrese Maxi seemed to. be the new duo on the Sixers. Embiid. only played about 20 minutes. He really. didn't have too much of effect on the. game, but yeah, this kid is. unbelievable. We we are possibly looking. at kind of a new look Sixers with two of. the better, you know, players in the. back court. And I'm saying two of the. better players. It's been one game. I. know I'll relax a little bit, but just.

from watching it, uh, this kid is. unbelievable. And 77 on a rookie, I I. thought it looked like. >> awesome, actually. >> Really liking it. >> Then he starts playing and it's like, oh, 77 on a rookie basketball player is. incredible. So, definitely someone to. watch as we look forward to. But the the. player to watch is WBY. And Cooper Flag. had a double double in his debut. Kind. of awesome. I believe he's the youngest. player with a double w double double in. the history of the uh NBA. But Webby, I.

mean, this is this is entering not fair. territory. If We Wy stays healthy, he. will be just a historic winning all the. awards player. It looks like he's. dunking on an 8ft rim. Um the the real. problem is he's not lumbering up and. down the up and down the court. He's. actually sprinting. I mean, yeah. Pump, fake, pass, right back. Yeah. Try and. block me. You can't. Um he had 40. points, 15 rebounds, and an assist. I I.

believe he was 15 of 21 uh from the. field, nine of 11 from free throws. I. mean, it just wasn't fair. He's doing. stuff that. >> 7'4, right? >> 7 foot4 listed. A lot of people are. saying he's 77 now. Uh Bo Bon Bo Bond, who's on ESPN, he said, "Hey, look, I'm. 7'4. I'm looking up at WBY, so he's not. 74." Uh he went he went bananas. Uh, Cooper Flag obviously a story, but with. what We WBY did I it's it's hard to. imagine the Spurs not being, you know, a.

50- win team and and being a real player. here if WBY stays healthy. But again, you look at his injuries, he he didn't. have a soft tissue injury last year as a. blood clot. So saying that, well, he he. doesn't he can't stay healthy, he gets. these injuries, that's not true. But. yeah, like that dunk right there. >> Well, I was just going to say that up. and under, he's got to watch that. He's. so damn big, he's going to get called. for a travel. Yeah, he's not even trying. to. He's jumping, but he his feet are. going to be on the ground on that up and. under. But it is he's I mean, >> it's all this ball handling and step. back threes. Like I I mean, I know that.

one that one went around. >> It's like you're watching a different. sport when you watch him play. >> It's like you're watching a different. species. >> That's a better way to put it. True. >> Yeah. And Bruce made a great point like. you you really can't contest his shots. cuz if you do because of how big he is, he's going to land much much further in. front of the three-point line and he's. going to get and ones just like that. But but even stuff like this, you know, we're we're talking about the Mavericks, okay? Anthony Davis has won defensive. player of the year and he he really. can't do anything. And and he's one of.

those players that everyone says AD can. cover anybody. Yeah, WBY is legitimately. a foot taller than Anthony Davis. Or at. least that's how it looks. Like Anthony. Davis can't jump with WBY because if he. does all of a sudden, you know, he is. going to foul him. And guess what? We is. going to dunk the ball. There it is on. the bottom there. He's the first player. to score 405 with at least 75% shooting. and zero turnovers in a game since. turnovers were ever tracked. I don't. know when that started. Probably after.

Michael Jordan, but still. that's true. That's true. But WBY is. just an absolute specimen. It's one of. those things where I I hope there's 50. prime time San Antonio. >> His uh his MVP odds uh yesterday went. from any they're anywhere from like plus. 950 to plus 1250. I saw which is if you. don't know it's a $100 to win 900 or. $100 to win 1,200. Um they went from. that to plus 300. He is now the second. uh in the MVP odds only behind SGA.

>> Are they going to I know Connor. mentioned what 50 win like are they. going to be able to make a run in the. playoffs? Are they a solid basketball. team? >> Yeah, it's not just him. They have uh. Castle who was rookie of the year. They. had back-to-back rookies of the year. So. that was pretty good for them. Uh they. traded for De'Arren Fox uh last year. He. did not play last night. New coach is. getting great pub, too. Getting miked up. of him, right? >> They got um who's the rookie? They got. >> Ron Harper. Ron Harper's kid like like. Yeah, they're going to they're a good. basketball team. >> Yeah. Ron Harper's kid came off the. bench have 15 points. >> Harrison Barnes.

Yeah. Like they are all of a sudden and. not all of a sudden because it's kind of. been like this with WBY for a few years. now where it's like, hey, just wait. This kid is going to be unbelievable. And now this is what happens. He starts. the season with 40 and 15 against a. multi-defensive part of the year, Anthony Davis. So, it's seriously one of. those same situations like, hey, if they. are healthy, they they are going to be. unbelievable this year. >> They're one of these teams parentally, too, who like if they're good around the. trade deadline, like you find one.

superstar who's unhappy somewhere, like. they'll be brought up in conversation. because it's like, hey, they have WBY, he's healthy. Like, if we can get a. little more scoring or whatever it is. they need at that point, like they can. be legitimate title contenders. >> Yeah. I saw people um on the internet. saying LeBron going there would be cool. When I say people, I was just talking. about me. Um I'm really hoping LeBron. goes there just because the Spurs are. one of those teams. It's it's very. similar to the Packers. Like they're. kind of the Packers of the NBA. They're. always good. Even when they lose.

legends, they they have a next guy up. Now, I don't want to go into detail. about how the Spurs got the number one. pick when when WBY was the number one. prospect and they've gotten three, right? The balls come out in the sh. >> Listen, NBA's gone through too much. there. >> Yeah, you're right. They're dealing with. a lot today. You're right. But when. being there, it's perfect. Like him. being a Spur, him growing up in France. with Tony Parker being a Spur and him. being a massive Spurs fan. Like it it is. incredible that we're here at this point. now, a few years into it, where it's not.

a situation in not to to, you know, dunk. on him or [ __ ] on him, but not a. situation like Zion where, you know, Zion ton of ton of hype. Everyone's. still excited about him. People are I'm. still excited about him right now. But. like Wemby has already kind of arrived. as like a Yeah, this guy's a stud. I. mean, he trained with Monks in the. offseason, so he got the whole entire. zen. He's doing kicks, and that's the. that's a big thing, too, like as far as. him not seriously him not, you know, being worried about like a hammy or a. foot like you normally see with that.

But then here's the other side of it. he. train with KG. So, um kind of the double. both sides of the basketball coin zen. and also like a massive you're going to. eat my [ __ ] mentality like Kevin Garnett. had. It's one of those possible perfect. storms where we might have a true, you. know, change of the guard. We've been. talking about the face of the league. If. this keep h keep keeps happening, forget. everything else. Like will be the guy. when LeBron is done. And hopefully. LeBron still has, you know, five years.

left. >> How old is Wembley? >> Uh 22. >> That's it. >> I think. >> I mean WBY could put on. >> He's 21. 21, excuse me. >> Which is wild to think of. He could not. easily, but if this dude in one year or. two years if he wanted, just growing. into his body, he could put on 40 lbs of. muscle. >> He can't though. That's how these guys. end up. I mean, like I I would agree, but that's how these guys get hurt and. they get the foot the foot issues. And. then it's like cuz that is I mean if. you're 77 if he breaks one bone in his. foot like it's it's just you know we saw. it with Greg Odin. We saw it with a.

bunch of these guys. Homegr. >> Yeah, exactly. Chad Homegrren like. that's what he almost he almost needs to. be that exact build to kind of maxim I. mean obviously put a little bit of. weight on but like. >> you're that big you really can't put. that much weight on. >> Like Giannis is not as tall of him but. Giannis is what 7 foot. Um like he came. in as skinny as Wemby and then he's like. super muscular growing kind of get your. man strength even if he's not trying. like Yeah. It watching him mature over. the years will be awesome to see. >> Yeah. >> Imagine him shouldering people too.

>> Yeah. Exactly. He's already doing it. >> And like JJ Reic talking about him. before JJ Reic was coaching was you know. kind of mentioned how he's already as. far as like maturity he's already there. Like he's 21 but he's hanging out with. monks and he's training with Kevin. Garnett. not, you know, taking this not. seriously at all. But then even on the. broadcast they mentioned he has actually. put on weight like it's just one of. those things where you know like like. >> 77. >> he's 77. Yeah. It's like Kevin Durant. almost. It's like hey Kevin Kevin. Durant's been in the gym you know.

working out but then you see him and. it's like well how come he doesn't have. huge muscles like Giannis or like. LeBron? And I I think that's kind of the. the comparison here with WBY is more so. like Kevin Durant. When Kevin Durant. first came in, they said, "Hey, you're. not going to be able to succeed with. that type of build. >> Couldn't do 135.". >> Yeah. Bingo. He couldn't bench 135. Yeah. Like that was the big story. He's. screwed. Obviously now 15 years later, Kevin Durant's one of the greatest. scorers in the history of the NBA. Uh. WBY now is kind of on that sort of. trajectory. And it's sweet um just being.

able to kind of talk about and celebrate. this with everything going on in the NBA. just because with everything that has. happened this morning that's hogged it. But WMBBY last night is very much worth. talking about and spotlighting just. because this this is going to be. appointment television. Like for me now, I already favored the, you know, the. Spurs on my sports app so I know when. they're playing. Like I want to watch. this guy as much as possible when he is. healthy just because if you know, heaven.

forbid he does get hurt or anything like. that, I will regret not watching him. while he was. and the blood clot thing. that I mean that was a scary situation. but then I don't know how you you get a. handle on it and then hopefully you're. passing that works. >> like David Andrews he missed an entire. NFL season yeah Barmore he missed an. entire NFL season last year with blood. clots but you know they made it back a. year later and I think that's a very. similar situation here. >> well good good luck to WBY and he's. great for the NBA especially in times. right now that the NBA is facing I don't. has anything new popped up over the last. 30 minutes or so. >> uh no I think I think it'll probably be.

over the next 30 minutes based on. >> people are being arraigned Yeah, they'll. get brought in, see the judge, and. >> I guess what presented your charges. Will they get bail? Are they going to be. stuck in jail? >> I don't know. >> I would imagine they'd post bail, but. maybe maybe not. Who knows? >> We're going to find out. >> Yeah. >> What a wild story that we're just just. scratching the surface, aren't we? >> I wonder if there's some players and. coaches that are kind of worried, kind. of scared right now. >> I would assume so. >> Yeah, me too. >> What if you just attended one of the. What I mean, there's probably some guys. pissed off actually that played in these. poker games like, "Wait, you guys could. see my whole cards? Like, you could.

there's a reason I lost every single. time. Maybe I'm not a terrible poker. player. >> Yeah, exactly. Like I'm sure a lot of. people this morning are finding out. they've they got screwed over during. these games. >> Oh man. Well, we're going to pivot cuz. we know NFL is king around here on this. show. Thank you, WBY and what you're. doing. Everyone else in the NBA, I know. guys are starting out hot. We have what. 81 games to go for most most. >> That's right. That's right. Yeah. The. Pacers, we got a finals rematch on ESPN. tonight. It's OKC at the Pacers and then. uh the late game is Golden State at or.

sorry the Nuggets at. >> Okay, I like that Nuggets Warriors game. is both those games are good. We'll take. that. >> Debuts for the Pacers and Nuggets today. >> Nice. We'll take that. We want to pivot. quickly to the NFL. Lamar Jackson, guys, I believe he is practicing. That is all. reports show that today was today his. first day of practice. >> Yesterday. >> Yesterday his first day, Wednesday, Thursday he's gonna practice today. I. guess they'll check him out, see how. he's doing. Ty, when you think about. this, I know you're you and Chefy, you. know, you do your the Sheffy podcast. together. Uh what does he does he have. anything more on this?

>> Uh he pretty much said this morning that. Lamar Jackson came out, I think 20. minutes late to practice yesterday and. he talked to sources inside the building. who basically said like, "Hey, this. isn't this still isn't a sure thing that. he's going to go on Sunday. We want to. see where hamstring, right?". >> Yeah. we want to see where he's at uh. after today's practice and then that'll. give them a much better feel. Um and I I. kind of just asked him like well at one. and five like you know the Ravens don't. really have a choice. They kind of have. to start Lamar. This was like their.

entire plan was hey after the bye-week. our schedule gets a little bit softer so. they need him to go. But then Sheffy. also brought up he said hey you know so. this is two weeks plus a buy and then. one additional practice that Lamar. Jackson missed. He said, you know, Jaden. Daniels is basically ha basically has. the almost exact same injury right now. or very similar and everyone's body is. different, but he said, you know, the. Commanders have the the teeth of their. schedule coming up. So, if you look at. it, it's like, could he miss the most.

important stretch of their season? Maybe. So, >> and Jaden is out. They've already ruled. him out for a Monday night game uh. against the Chiefs. Obviously, that's a. big one playing the uh Kansas City. Chiefs and and Patrick Mahomes and what. they are doing, but to for Jaden to be. out already, I uh man, that's a big. blow. >> You cannot like if you're a Ravens fan. or the Ravens team, like you can't you. can't lose another one. Like, you can't. lose this one. >> One and six, right? No, >> I mean one and five is a t hole to dig. >> One and five is a tough hole. one and. six like then there's no room for cuz. what nine and I guess 10 and seven nine.

and eight like people have got into the. playoffs but not with like not with the. way the AFC East or top of the AFC East. top of the AFC South is looking right. now like you they can't afford to lose. any more games. >> and that's also assuming that everything. goes perfect then all all of a sudden. the defense starts holding teams to 14. points a game and their offense comes. out like yeah there is no room for error. so that that's why it's like even if. he's at 60% you almost have to play. Lamar Sunday. >> Yeah. Not not to mention like to Tony's. point, if we pull up the records of the,

you know, the entire league right now, like you look around, especially in that. wild card race, it's so tight where one. and six might be too big of a hole. You. know, like BA was on here this week. talking about how the Bengals are going. to get it going. You got two teams in. the AFC South, the Jags we all still. believe in. And then look at the AFC. West. Like the Chargers are playing. tonight and the Chiefs are the Chiefs, you know. So, do we think the Chargers. are going to collapse and and completely. blow up their season to to the point. where, you know, they're 10 and seven? I.

I I just don't know. Just cuz the faith. in Harbaugh and even the same thing with. the Bills, like you fully expect the. Bills to turn it around and go. Yeah, me. too. So, >> looking at that right now, I think like. if you're the Ravens, I don't even know. like you're I don't think you're trying. to get a wild card cuz I mean you're. obviously behind those three AFC West. teams, the two AFC South teams, the two. AFC East teams. Like you literally have. to hope that the the Steelers uh aren't. as good as their record is right now and. you win the North. Like I think winning. the North is the only way probably the. Ravens get in right now. >> I mean the Ravens just trying to get a.

win. They're trying to get one win. Yes. >> Which let's go let's go one and0 this. week. The old cliche situation. >> What did you think about I mean you were. on with us but now a day later just. about the veterans. >> taking the toys out. Yeah. >> I get it. I mean, I would assume that. the veterans were pissed off at how. maybe some young guys were handling. things that they weren't being a pro. You know, that's the whole thing. Like, be a pro and being a pro is no no. secret. Like, show up on time, don't be. late to meetings, do what you say you're. going to do, like be accountable to your. teammates, and just do the right thing.

So, I'd assume I don't know that the. little things were slipping here and. there. I don't know. Guys, they I I. guess I could see it. See, I never. really played in a locker room that had. even ping pong tables and I was in Green. Bay for nine years. We didn't have any. We had like the little guys would play. the little roll the dice game. What is. it? Uh, not crib. They play cribage. Yatsi. >> and other ones. No, not yachi. But kind. of that's what I thought of before I But. no, I don't know. They all talk about. it. I never played it. We didn't have. any games like that, so I don't know. But I understand vets wanting to get. stuff out of there if they feel like. young guys maybe can't handle like you.

guys think this is Disneyland here. Like. we're we're one and five right now. We're a terrible football team. >> Yeah. Keith Bullock tweet had a. hysterical tweet about and I don't think. we have it but it was just about how. like Yeah. Oh, we do actually and it's. essentially just where is it? Yeah. In. 2005 we were terrible four and 12 young. what is it? Cats. >> Yeah. Young cats was like was always. playing Mario Kart or some [ __ ] in the. locker room during break. One time they. paused the game to play where they left. off after practice. Man, I broke that.

system to pieces. [ __ ] that video game. we out here losing like that type of. stuff. Reading that is when it's like. okay I I could see uh you know not a. Marlon Humphrey but a Cal Vanoi going in. there like hey I I don't know why we're. still [ __ ] around with all this stuff. like get it out of here but like does. does that feel a little bit like an. overreaction? Maybe get some of the. things out like I don't know. >> It's probably probably a couple weeks in. the making when whoever the vets were. were talking about it. Hey man, we could.

get this stuff out of here. These guys. don't know they don't know what it's. like. They don't know how to prepare. something like that. Anytime you're. losing, you're going to do something. You're going to change something. They're going to figure it out. Holy, I. got to put white laces in my cleats this. week. That's going to make us win. Okay, we don't know. One guy that does know, Tone, that does understand what it means. to win. We got him on the line here. He's going to be on the call tonight. Huge game. Obviously, Vikings at. Chargers from Sofi. Ladies and. gentlemen, Mr. Kirk Herbstreet. >> What's up? What's up, boys? How we. doing? >> We're doing great, Kirk. How uh what's.

it like out there? Obviously, we know. your travels are documented, you know, throughout every single week. It's. unbelievable. I know I think Peter, Mitch, you got multiple dogs making the. trip this week. I don't know if they're. with you now. I don't know if they're. joining you. Game day, whatever it might. be, but what's it like out there? And. what was it like? Uh I assume you talked. to both these coaching staffs. >> Yeah, Peter's with me right now. We're. flying back to Nashville tonight after. the game with with game day and Bandy. And I'm gonna I'm gonna first time bring. the other guys uh out to say hello to. some people on uh on Saturday. But, uh,

th this game is interesting. You know, it's Minnesota is a is a team that I. think we're all very excited about what. they can be and who they can be this. year. I see your photo there of Carson. Wentz. That was a big question. Was JJ. McCarthy uh was his ankle going to be. ready to go? Would they greenlight him. this week or maybe wait another week? Turns out Carson will continue to go. He's two and two as a starter filling in. for JJ McCarthy. Um, and yet I mean. they've had offensive line injuries just. like a lot of teams at this point. You.

guys know what it's like following your. teams and just the entire league. We get. to this point in the season, but some. have been hit a lot harder than others. And these are two really good examples. of teams that are just trying to hold. on, >> trying to survive um and and getting a. little healthier. Um, but u you know, the Chargers started 3 and 0. They've. lost three of their last four. They're. they're reeling a bit. Uh, and a big. opportunity after an incredibly. disappointing game as you guys saw. against Jonathan Taylor and the Colts.

who just they I mean they they did. really anything they wanted to. offensively against the Chargers defense. whether it was running or Daniel Jones. uh making good decisions. That that's a. whole different story. I know you guys. are enjoying what what Indie's been. about, but the Chargers are reeling and. sometimes when you're reeling, AJ, you. probably live this. Sometimes those. those short weeks that are often dreaded. by players, sometimes you're looking. forward to just getting back out there. and trying to get that bad taste out of. your mouth. And that my sense is that's. that's kind of where the Chargers. defense is.

>> Yeah, I would assume. Yeah, I think. anytime you get beat like you cannot. wait to get back out there and try to. try to figure things out and make it. right. I guess when when you watch this. Chargers offense and defense play, I. guess, but their offense in g like. specifically, you said they lost the. last they've lost three out of the last. four. Like what's going on with them? What what do they have to do, I guess, to turn this thing around tonight? >> Well, I I just talked to Greg Roman this. morning, the offensive coordinator, and. they they their entire investment of. this off season was to get better in the.

back field and they, you know, got Omar. and Hampton from North Carolina and. brought Naji Harris over from Pittsburgh. and they just thought, you know, they. wanted to get back to being a great. running team, take some of the heat off. of the passing game and Justin Herbert. And then Slater gets hurt in camp. Brashan Slater, one of the best left. tackles in the game, gets hurt in camp. And now that was a massive blow to their. just their culture, their DNA. So they. took Joe Alt, who's a stud from Notre. Dame at right tackle. They had to move.

him over to left tackle and that really. impacted things, I think. And then he. gets hurt. So they've been playing like. their fifth and sixth offensive tackle. in recent weeks and and yet they're. still a top five offense. So, they went. from being, "Hey, let's run the. football. Let's get two tight ends. Let, you know, and and then we'll take it off. of Herbert, as you see in that photo or. that video there. Herbert's gotten hit. more than any quarterback in the in the. entire league because they've had to. abort who they want to be, their.

identity, which is running the ball, and. let Herbert complement the running game. They've gone back to who they were as an. offense before Harbaugh and Roman got. there, which would spread people out and. make him throw the I think they were. down last week. He threw it 55 times. last week and it's just not who they. want to be. So they've been banged up up. front at the offensive line. They've. lost three of their top four running. backs and so a lot of it has been on all. the passing game. So that's now they go. up against Brian Flores and and a. Vikings defense as we all know that. loves to pressure and loves to come.

after you. So be interesting to see kind. of the game plan that they they come up. with to try to negate that pressure. package that that u that that Flores and. the uh and the Vikings like to play. with. Tosh, you got something? >> Yeah, Kirk, you mentioned the. quarterback situation, how we didn't. maybe know if it was going to be Carson. or JJ. Uh whether it's who you've talked. to or kind of just your opinion of the. whole thing. What do you think is the. ultimate plan, I guess, for the Vikings. with their quarterback situation? A lot.

of people saying the whole JJ McCarthy. is, you know, like a soft benching, if. you will, and they're kind of just going. to let Carson, you know, find his feet. And then obviously you have what Sam. Darnold's doing in Seattle that's kind. of just rubbing it in a little bit. But. do you get do you have like any feel. that hey if Carson Wentz goes out there. looks good tonight and kind of maybe. strings together a couple wins like does. he have the the chance here to maybe be. the the Viking starter for the rest of. the season or are they still all you. know gung-ho on JJ and he'll be back.

whenever he's I guess healthier than he. is now? I mean, Ty, you you know, this. division, I mean, it's your team's in. there and and you follow it closely. Um, I I think what you're alluding to is you. almost have to read between the lines. No one is coming out, including. Okonnell, and saying that, hey, here's. what we think. I think they're they're. they're talking strictly about the ankle. and his availability, and no one's. saying that Carson Wentz, who's two and.

two right now, has a chance to be the. guy. I will say this, um, I know JJ. McCarthy in that opener against Chicago. didn't play great. He had that nice. quarter late to be able to pull out of. the win. But if you guys go back to that. game, the reason I I've been a big fan. of JJ McCarthy's is the juice that he. brings, the way his team believes in. him, and if you saw the reaction that. night, um, you had defensive players. coming down, you had JJ or Justin. Jefferson, like everybody responds to. him. So, I think there's a lot there to.

like. I think there's a lot there to. think about the potential of what he and. this offense can be with him as a. starting quarterback. Um, but I think. what you're alluding to is is fair. I. mean, if he what if what if Carson Wentz. goes out tonight and just plays awesome? What if he's hitting everything, making. good decisions, not turning the ball. over, and they get out with a win? You. know, and then and then next week you're. going to you they're going to ask Kevin. Oonnell, what what's going on with the. ankle? was JJ McCarthy because it. sounded like it was almost right on the.

edge of being able to pull the trigger. and play him this week. So, if that's. the case, you you get a mini buy on a. Thursday night game for next Sunday. Why wouldn't he be ready to go next week. regardless of car what Carson Wentz does. if he's your guy? Now, now I step back. for a second. When you have a high ankle. sprain, you're getting mental reps, but. you're not he has think about in two. years, forget playing. he he hasn't. gotten practice just developmental.

practice of getting reps and you just. wonder how much that has slowed down his. potential growth. So I don't know I. don't think it's JJ McCarthy's a miss on. a draft pick. I think it's more of we. got this guy Carson Wentz that's. functioning pretty well. We got our. other guy that we think is going to be. the guy but he's not even on the. practice field. So how do we go from a. guy who's let's say three and two as a. starter to a guy that's not had any. reps? I don't know. I I I understand. where the kind of the spot that he's in. right now as a head coach and play.

caller. Um but I think it's a fair. discussion for Minnesota media and fans. to wonder where is this heading two. weeks from now, three weeks from now. Are we waiting for Carson Wentz to. implode and then you go to JJ McCarthy. or is it not even matter what Wentz. does? At some point they're going to go. to their guy because they believe in him. despite not getting a whole lot of reps. Yeah, Kirk, when you uh when you watch. this Vikings team, obviously you talk to. Kevin Oonnell, like what separates him.

as a coach? We know like the old saying, hey, you could plug anybody in there at. QB, it feels like, and Kevin Oonnell is. going to get them right. He's going to. give them a good chance to to be. successful like from talking to him and. watching him. What What is it that that. makes him special? >> Um, I think it's just you always hear. that saying, quarterback friendly. offense. I think it's because of the way. they attack. They don't put it all on. the quarterback. They run the football. typically when they're healthy. And and. by the way, Aaron Jones will be back. tonight, which is a massive deal. When.

when they picked up Jordan Mason last. year from San Francisco, what they. envision is taking some of the heat off. of Aaron Jones and letting them be a. tandem and a combination. And so you. have that now uh with him coming back. So I think that's great. But I think the. reason these Kirk Cousins and you know. what what we've seen under Kevin Oonnell. uh with Sam Darnold, the reason he's. able to do that is because you got great. personnel around the position. They. don't put everything on the quarterback. They run the ball, they boot, they.

naked, they play action. Their dropback. game is rhythmic timing, get the ball. out, they give you answers as a. quarterback. So, I I think he's one of. the better play callers in my opinion in. the NFL and does as good a job as. anybody at diagnosing a defense and. knowing how to attack it and finding its. weaknesses. So, you got a Chargers. defense that's that's more than capable. of playing better than they have in in. recent weeks. I think they've lost a. little bit of their mojo and confidence. And like I said earlier, I think a short. week getting Khalil Mack back, you know,

he played 12 snaps last week just as a. pass rusher. And meanwhile, e even at 34. years old, he still sets the edge and is. really physical. Uh Denzel Perryman came. back last week. So I I think some pieces. are coming back. Um but to answer your. question, I I just think Kevin Okonnell. does a really good job of providing. answers and not making the quarterback. feel like we're going to go as you go. You know, I think there's enough weapons. around that position. Think about it. You got Justin Jefferson, arguably the. top receiver in the entire league on one.

side. Jordan Addison on the other, you. got TJ Hawinson who's getting more more. uh healthier as far as that ACL he's. recovering from. Jaylen Naylor, you got. Jordan Mason, Aaron Jones. I mean, there's a lot there. And I think it. makes the quarterback feel like, okay, I. don't have to feel like I got to play. Superman ball for us to be able to move. the football. And and if you watch Sam. Darnold last year, he seemed to have. he'd get back one hitch, balls out. you. know, he he gives these quarterbacks.

confidence because he gives them. answers. >> Yeah, I think we're all excited to watch. the the Carson Wentz experience tonight. We know that that guy's going to have a. few extended plays where he he stumbles. around, he finds a way, and who knows, maybe it'll be a a 70 yard completion. Maybe something else may happen. Kirk, we're going to pivot. Tone's got. something about college football he. wants to question you on. >> Yeah, Kirk, I I saw your top five. I I. love your top five. You have the four. undefeated teams, obviously. Ohio State, Indiana, A&M, Georgia Tech, then you put. Bama at five, your first nondefeated.

team. BYU is going to be pissed at you. I know they are. Um, but I wanted to ask. you about um just the top 25 in the. rankings in general because when it. comes to like the college football. playoff and they're not going to do. their rankings, I believe it's early. November that they do theirs. Like. they're going to use I think there's. seven or eight teams that were in the. top 25 week one who are not in the top. 25 now and they're going to use those. week one wins against top 25 teams like. as a metric. Are you someone that cuz. there's a lot of people now talking,

hey, we shouldn't do rankings until at. least October, stuff like that. Where do. you fall in all of this and and then. counting like those top 25 wins uh early. in the season for the college football. playoff down the line? Um, I don't think I don't think anybody. looks at Ohio State, at least I don't. think the committee should look at Ohio. State as an example, beating Texas and. say, "Hey, they were the number whatever. they were one or two team. >> in the country." I I think if you're. sitting there on that committee, that's. part of your job. And the reason we. don't just rely on computers is for them.

for them to look at, okay, Texas is now. down at 22. That doesn't mean Texas. couldn't slide up by the end of the. year, but for now that that win doesn't. feel as heavy as it did in the opening. week. I I I'm I'm a fan of preseason. rankings. I'm a Reds fan. You know, I. see AJ's hog baseball season is. typically over for me usually well. before the 4th of July. So, I'm jonesing. for some news and some stuff to talk. about. So, if AP poll comes out in the. second or third week in August and gets. us to get excited about college.

football, >> I I personally have no problem with it. I have the ability to look at a. preseason poll. >> Mhm. >> And after five weeks of football, six, seven weeks, I don't even know what. happened in the preseason. I don't give. a [ __ ] about the preseason. I'm watching. football like right now. Like I watch. every single week and I have an opinions. that change and and oh, that's the team. I thought they were. You know, I guess. they're not that team. Uh Penn State is. an example of that. or a team like BYU, you know, they lose their quarterback in. in the middle of camp and they got to.

find a freshman, uh, Bear Bachmeire, who. no one really knew what he could do, and. all of a sudden, wow, look at BYU. You. know, what am I am I going to hold on to. my preseason thoughts on, uh, week one. rankings of BYU? No, no, no. It's like, no, of course not. I I'm looking at BYU. kicking ass, taking names uh, and what. they've done over the last five or six. weeks. So, I I think it's a lot of just. nothing else to talk about. Let's talk. about how unfair preseason polls are. I. I don't have any issue with them at all. I think we can all adjust accordingly to.

uh to to actually watching football and. and the teams that that end up being. overrated. They sink in the rankings or. are they they drop out? So, I and I. don't think the committee gets caught up. in in preseason rankings at all when it. comes to eventually early November after. eight or nine weeks by then of football. of where they're going to stack those. teams. >> Good. Kirk, what about uh you you had. some hot takes about Indiana and their. Adidas uniforms. You got any Have you. come around on that at all? Has anyone. come at you a little bit? I don't know. What do you What do you think?

>> So did you, AJ? >> Yeah, I kind of I kind of co-signed with. you, Kirk. >> Yeah. Well, I see your your shirt there, your your hoodie you got on, right? Um. >> I I made it pretty clear. I I just I. have nothing, bro. I I got nothing. against Adidas. I I don't I'm you know. when I was younger I was incredibly. loyal and just an all about Nike guy. thanks to Michael growing up in the. Michael Jordan era. >> but I'm not as passionate about it but I. I know what I see I know when I look at. a uniform if a uniform is tight if it.

looks good. >> you know what recruits see too Kirk you. know what these high school recruits are. watching that too. >> well that again I don't know high school. recruit might I don't know what what's. what's. >> the fit though you know like it's true. it's got a fit so my brother played at. Miami Ohio in Ohio you he said they came. out to warm-ups when they played big. teams. They play they played Michigan. and I believe Ohio State once. He said. they they talked about Yeah. Iowa. He. said they came out to warm-ups and they. were like him and his teammates said. look how tight their jerseys are. Look. how their pants actually fit. Like they.

talked about how nice it all fit them. and how like it. >> remember when you played on the on the. Wii Elks. Do you remember that? >> Oh yeah. Come on. >> And there was a couple guys on the team. that that like in fifth grade they their. pants just. >> they just weren't working. They're. they're almost down to their calves. I'm. just too big and baggy. >> That's what That's what the Adidas. uniform looks like to me. It doesn't It. looks like It looks like the little. league uniform where the kids just don't. quite fit into their uniform. >> And again, it's nothing against Adidas. I I don't know anybody from Adidas. I I.

have no loyalty to anybody. I'm just. going by what I see. And what I see is. just just not a good uniform. >> We get it. We get it. Con man, you got. something? >> Yeah, Kirk. Unfortunately, it doesn't. matter cuz Mendoza is spinning the pill. in that uniform. So, I don't I don't. think they really care. But, uh, >> bro, I got him I had them at one last. week in the country and it's just Ohio. State's been so consistent. It's hard to. not have them at one based on their. potential. But, um, but no, Indiana, listen, I what they did at Oregon in 60.

minutes, they impressed me than. anything. >> Oh, yeah. the culmination of all they. did last year and all they did this year. up to that game. They they completely. won me over and everybody over if you. watched them uh going into Eugene and. winning that winning that game. So I. they're they're legit. They're real. >> The city exploded after that game and. they won especially with what the Colts. are doing now, Kirk. But uh something. kind of came through the wire today. Um. an SEC ref Ken Williamson was.

permanently suspended. Um, the decision. to remove the longtime referee comes in. the immediate wake of an SEC review of. 11 complaints against Williams uh, Williamson, excuse me, from the Auburn, Georgia game. Now, uh, I believe it was. last year on Thursday Night Football, you were calling the Vikings game. against the Rams in LA, and that game. kind of ended controversially with the. uh, face mask of Darnold. I don't know. if it was Thursday Night Football, but. it it was okay. Yeah, I thought so. um.

something like this seems to be. incredibly like forward thinking if you. will when it comes to the referee. situation and there's been others as. well but when you see something like. this that the SEC is doing you think. that is something that will ever be kind. of universally done by sports not just. the NFL not just you know college. football but all sports across the board. you know the MLB you know the MLB ref or. excuse me umpire during the Blue Jays.

Mariners game was kind of scrutinized. for the same pitch, one being called a. ball, the other being called a strike, and then there are situations that pop. up all over when it comes to refs in. sports. Uh, what do you kind of think. about that situation? And also, real. quick, thanks for coming on, talking to. the Bugle Boys. We know this show sucks. without Pat, so you coming on actually. makes it much better. We very much. appreciate that, Kirk. >> Man, I'll join you guys anytime. I love. you guys. I I would say um I don't know. how you feel about this, Connor. I I.

look at this where I don't mind, you. know, the bang bang play at first base. without going to replay. I I don't mind. the human air. I I don't mind and and. I've had my teams, you know, that I. cheer for get the the bad end of that. But I I think there's c certain calls. that I I think that's part of the game, you know, where before the replay where. a guy makes a it's a call in a gray area. and it could go this way or that way and. it goes against you and it's the end of.

the world. I with that being said, that's kind of like way I always grew up. and just, you know, it's part of the. game. I I hate blaming referees or. umpires for game. >> Amen. Um, but with that being said, I I. I do think that if a guy has. consistently had um rough outings where. a league or a conference has to. call a coach or call an athletic. director and basically apologize for for.

a miss. Um, and that that happens at at a at a a. regular rate. Then I think this is, as. you said, groundbreaking. I I can you. guys remember anything like this where. >> a guy in the middle of a season is asked. to like take a seat? I I I've never. heard of anything like that. I I I I. think it's holding You talk about. holding players and coaches and. everybody accountable. Referees have. always never really had to deal with. that. Maybe in the offseason, but not in.

season. So, I I think it's an eye. openener. Um I'm a referee guy. I'm. pro-re. I think they they you know, fans. get way too emotional about it, but um. I'm interested to see what this leads to. and. >> if we end up, you know, this is kind of. like that first example and now you. start to see it more and more, not just. in college football, but all around. sports. >> Kirk, I don't know if you saw, you don't. have to dive into it. We're going to let. you roll here in a second. This NBA is. dealing with some stuff, huh? some stuff. we haven't seen in a long time. Like.

this is wild, isn't it? >> Yeah. I I don't know. I I've been I've. been digging into this game, so I don't. know all the seen some of the headlines. >> You guys can you guys can shed some. light. I What? There was there was. >> there was the mafia involved. I I saw. >> Yeah. Yeah. The Johny Phillips allegedly. allegedly um they're being arraigned. today was what Sean told us. Chanty. Bilips allegedly kind of fixing illegal. poker games and AJ made the point like.

it's already an illegal game and then. they're doing illegal stuff on top of. it. And then Terry Ro Terry Roier is. more so um allegedly. >> that's actually on the court, right? >> Terry's on the court. Yeah. Similar to. Jonte Porter if you remember from the. Raptors last year. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's and and I think a. lot of people with the access to at. least the sports betting, not the stuff. going on with a card game, but the. sports betting stuff, I think a lot of. people have been alluding to the the. slippery slope and and how this could.

very easily lead to some issues and. >> maybe this will be something that uh. sends a a clear message that people are. watching and you know, you got to be. super careful with what you're doing and. and um yeah, it's just anything that. happens in the news, nothing necessarily. necessarily really I think surprises any. of us. Um we're just so used to one. thing after another. Uh it it it takes a. lot for us to all say, "Holy cow, can. you believe this?" But this this one. definitely makes you think um how deep.

does it go? Is there is this going to be. a domino effect potentially? And are. there other people, >> you know, out there that that that maybe. go down as well? But I I hate to see it. I I think it's awful. Yeah, I'm sure the. league is is scrambling behind the. scenes obviously trying to figure. everything out right now. And Kirk, we. know you will be on the call tonight. Obviously Vikings at Chargers and then. flying tomorrow uh Missouri at. Vanderbilt. You pumped for uh you pumped. for tomorrow especially K? I mean. Saturday game, buddy. >> I I am I'm looking forward to I think.

the one time I've lived in Nashville. since 2011. The one time we were there. for the show was 2008 when I was still. living in in UA. And so it's been a long. time since we've been there, but Diego. Pavia and Clark Lee have created that. And by the way, Missouri um needs to be. a big part of of I mean, they're a top. 15 team coming off a tough loss last. week, but I think they're a team that. that's um fired up from listening to. their coach. Drink seems to be playing. the disrespect card, but they're going. to come in ready to roll. Um and then I.

fly to Baton Rouge after game day, so it. seems like a home game, but I got to go. down to Baton Rouge. not have to I get. to go down to Baton Rouge for Texas A&M. who I think's three. >> if I'm not mistaken um against um you. know LSU team that already has a couple. losses. They're in desperation mode for. a win. So I'll be calling that one. Saturday night with Chris and and Holly. and our crew on ABC. How about these ABC. games, guys? Every every single week. what's Baton Rouge like at night, Kirk?

I've never been there even during ever. Like that's got to be pretty amazing. >> Bring your boys. You got to bring your. boys down there for that and your wife. I mean, you guys would love it just cuz. you're you're football crazy people. I. mean, you just to be able to take it in. and see it. Um, it it's you're splitting. hairs when you talk about the shoe at. night. If it's a big, you know, if Ohio. State's playing Northwestern verse when. they're playing a team that's. >> Yeah., >> you know, a top five team, you know, the. difference, right? And and LSU, all. these places are the same way. It's it's.

deafening. You know, it's the white out. LSU at night, especially right now when. they're playing a number three team in. the country. Um, it's it's awesome. It's. just, you know, you can smell bourbon in. the air. You can smell the the smokers. outside are cooking. I It's a very. festive, different kind of atmosphere. that I love going to every single time. we get a chance to get down there. >> Yeah, that's some place I I'll hopefully. get to at some point. But Kirk, enjoy. the game tonight. We will all be. watching you and Al enjoy your uh your. halftime meal. I know Al gets great food.

for for you guys out there. Should be. should be a fun 12 minutes for I know. NFL halftimes about 12 minutes. It's. tough. It's tough for you guys. College. 20 minutes probably much easier for for. out eat if he was doing those games. But. thanks again Kirk. Ladies and gentlemen, Kirk Herbstre, >> man. >> Yeah, he's got a Kirk's got a pretty. good uh travel situation going on. throughout the week. So, he usually. leaves Wednesday every week. >> He's had a he's had a lot of uh he's. been to Seattle, LA, if you like he's. had a lot of coast to coast.

>> Yes. And he's not Yeah, he's not even. calling. >> like game day. He's had a couple NFL. games, West Coast, Oregon, West Coast, where he has then had his game East. Coast or whatever. He's uh the schedule. hasn't really fared him yet. >> So, this What year is this for him doing. uh Thursday night prime? >> Four. >> Yeah, four. >> It's pretty awesome. Pretty amazing. >> It doesn't feel that long. >> It doesn't I mean Wemby's in his third. year, right? That doesn't feel like. that. I feel like I'm watched him get. drafted a week. >> Yeah. It's even It's even like when we. talked about Zion and John Moran. yesterday. It's like you think these.

guys are, you know, about to be 30 and. then you realize they're 25 and 26. It's. like so so much of the time I feel like. just because we were in it every day. like the time feels like it goes by a. little faster and then when you look at. like the actual years when these kids. were these kids but Zion and John. >> there are kids compared to me that's for. sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. And and it's it's. just insane. But I mean the fourth year. now too like good for them finally. getting good game after good game. They. really went through the [ __ ].

Terrible prime time for a while. >> Was Prime doing a deal when they were. Was it Prime when they were doing the. whole color rush situ? That was a prime. that was NFL. >> I think I played in the first Thursday. night NFL game. We played the Cowboys. 2000 something. Aaron stepped in. Was. that the first one? >> I don't know if it was one, but but I. remember getting hurt and he came in and. >> Aaron came in and played great. We the. Cowboys end up winning, but it was a. clip of Collinssworth being like, he's got to play. >> Yeah. Then Aaron came in and was. slinging it right.

>> They're like two touchdowns and yeah, he. looked great. We are. >> Yeah. Speaking of years later, Aaron is. playing uh he's playing his old squad. The Packers are coming to town, coming. to Pittsburgh to uh to play Aaron Rogers. and the Pittsburgh Steelers. I believe. Aaron's out there talking. Is Is there. animosity, Tone? Is there anything going. on? Run that, Foxy. Um I don't have any. animosity toward the organization. Um. obviously I wish that you know things. have been better in our last year there. but um you know I have a great. relationship with a lot of people still. in that organization and.

uh I don't this is not a revenge game. for me. I'm just excited to see some of. those guys and beyond Sunday night. football again. >> Have your feelings toward the. organization evolved the longer you've. been away from them that not feeling. animosity. Is that something you kind of. had to work to feel or work to get to. this point? >> We're always working on ourselves and. and trying to be better than we were. >> uh previous day, previous month, previous year. But. >> the best me. >> uh absence makes the heart grow fonder. maybe. Um you know, I have a lot of.

great memories from my time there. A lot. of great interactions with fans over the. years. you know, living in Green Bay, living in Swamco, living in Hobart, going to Chives, being out and about, seeing people at the Piggly Wigglies. when I'm shopping for groceries. Uh, I. grew up there. I spent 18 years there. from 21 to 39. So, I'm uh thankful for. my time there. Obviously, would have. loved to ride off in the sunset after a. Super Bowl win, but that's not the way. the league goes sometimes. And uh, you.

know, I knew the writing was on the wall. when Jordan was picked. And it was a. matter of time. I happened to win MVP. the first two years he was with us. >> But I knew at some point there would be. a change and if I wanted to play, I'd. probably have to be elsewhere. So I. understand the situation. >> What do you think, Tone Digs? You you uh. you believe him? No animosity. He seems. very happy in that clip. >> He does seem very happy. He's he's in a. good spot right now. Um but no, why. would he have any animosity? Like yes, he. >> time he was all. >> Yeah. And it's been a while. Like I. think there was potentially some.

animosity when the decision was made to. leave there, but yeah, at this point, no. Um, >> if this game was in Green Bay, it'd be a. little different. >> Going back to Lambo would be he. mentioned like the, you know, a bunch. of, you know, landmark the Piggly. Wiggly. That's the That's the grocery. store there. Yeah, we've been to Chai. Coach with Big Money. That's Aaron's. spot always. Um, but yeah, I don't know. What do you have, Tone Digs? >> Um, I do have to say I I came on. yesterday because it hadn't been. announced yet. Uh the Steelers are. wearing their yellow uh helmets with.

their throwback, but the luckily the. Packers are wearing all whites. They're. going to be having white helmets on, so. we don't have double yellow helmet game. >> So it's color rush for the Packers. >> Yes. >> Yeah, pretty much. >> Color rush for the Packers. Steelers old. school throwback storm warning. >> Yeah, second Arctic Thunder. Second week. in a row, we have to play a team that's. wearing all white. So that's kind of. [ __ ] I guess. >> I saw Ben uh Ben claims that Aaron's won. pick. Maybe because of that, but then I. saw uh there's a video. It wasn't really. anywhere near the uh painting on the. field. I love Ben standing up for Aaron. and for his squad. I really do. >> Yeah. I I think like um because they.

there was videos of them talking and. meeting on the field during camp and. during practices and I'm sure they've. talked about but yeah, I mean Ben has. always respected Aaron. He's going to. stand up for the quarterback in the. city. Yeah. >> Yeah. And it might be from one of those. [ __ ] uh fake accounts that tweet. stuff like ML football and JP football, but uh allegedly the Steelers want. Rogers to play in 2026. Actually, no. I. think that was from and I could be wrong. cuz I did see it from one of those. accounts, but they actually gave credit. to someone. I think it was Jeremy Fowler. >> who uh is a legitimate reporter. Um and.

and by the way that he's played so far. Apparently, he's. >> leading meetings on Thursday. He's in. front of the room. Uh they do player le. meetings on Thursday and Aaron's. basically leading the right. >> Yes. Today as we speak. Uh so everything. has gone swimmingly as far as Aaron is. concerned this year is like with the. team. I mean, four touchdowns against. the Bengals, but he couldn't, you know, Joe Flacco. >> Well, he couldn't see the. >> He couldn't see that one play. Yeah, of. course he. >> because they painted the walls, too. >> Yep. You're right. >> That was Bull. >> Oh, you're right. >> A lot of white out there.

>> I was there. I can see how he got. confused. I can see that. >> It's that kind of [ __ ] shenanigans. that you guys do over in city. >> Kirk was I I didn't get to ask Kirk. I. was I text him before that game last. week. I went to the Bengals Steelers. game at Payor Stadium in Cincinnati. I. didn't get to see Kirk pregame. My kids. got to go out on the field. I was stuck. in a traffic jam in a separate car pull. ride my way into the stadium. So I I. didn't get to see Kirk on the field. But. uh. >> I can't even see the Bengals players in. this. >> Yeah. >> Jeez. Where are they? >> Is he wide open or. >> Oh no, they're right behind. >> Oh, see the walls. Look how white they.

are. You can barely see. >> They are wet. >> Post. >> That's kind of [ __ ]. >> Yeah. I don't know if there's a whole. lot to stand on with Ben's argument, but. I get it. It makes sense. It really. does. And of Why wouldn't you want Aaron. back? Look how he's moving around. Look. how he feels. And I mean it could could. easily be. >> 70 yards. I don't think that's an issue. >> Yeah. Bingo. >> Crow hopping into it. So that when Aaron. did that that was the longest ball. thrown in the air in the NFL or that. Aeron's thrown. >> in the NFL. >> Yeah, that's what I I first thought. That's the longest that he's thrown.

since 2017 when he was playing. But no, everybody in the league. >> And it's not like he got a huge crow. hop. He's got like one and a half little. crow hop into that. And he had a guy. kind of right in front of him, too. >> Can't even see the. >> Yeah. And they. >> we can't see anything there, right? >> Ridiculous. There might be 15 guys in. the air. >> Oh man, that has got to be cheating, isn't it? >> I mean, this is an absolute huck. >> It's awesome. >> They said what, 70 air yards, but if. that thing were to have landed, it would. have been a couple yards in the end. >> Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, yeah, if. I if you're him, you know, cuz you you. kind of have to take the Achilles year.

out completely. Like I think he. envisioned that as one of like and even. last even last year with how bad they. were. It's like is he maybe he's not. leading after Stafford threw five, but. like he's top five in the NFL in. touchdown passes right now. Like he. clearly can still play and for all. intents and purposes like he's loved. being in Pittsburgh so far. Seems like. he loves all of his teammates. He. obviously loves coach Tomlin. So yeah, I. mean if he can stay healthy like why not. basically play until you feel like you.

know if he goes out there and and he. feels good physically he feels good and. like mentally he feels sharp but then. like if he's you know just not able to. produce that's one thing he's still. playing at as high of a level as you. could ask. >> As long as Roger Jones doesn't kill him. >> Yeah, there's a chance. Well I saw Aaron. he's good. Aaron Aaron loves his. passion, loves he gets excited. He said. I'm 41. You can't be tackling me from. behind. So, I love it. But. >> I told Roger, just punch him in the. chest. Get there. Just let front him. He. don't want to get tackled from behind. That's the thing. If you like, hey, bomb. Punch him in his chest or the.

stomach. Maybe that'll get him very. excited, I think. >> Or maybe punch him in the elbow or the. shoulder. There's that little There's a. little uh celebration we're all used to. Well, who's supposed to win this game, Tone? >> Uh the Packers are favored by three. >> at Pittsburgh. >> What do you think is going to happen? Um, I think the Packers are the way that the. Steelers defense is playing. Um, I think. the Packers are the better football. team, but this is one that the Steelers. traditionally win. So, I wouldn't be. surprised if they did win in this one.

>> Yeah. And Tony knows his Steelers. That. was my big takeaway from last week after. after the uh Bengals beat the Steelers. Tony basically said the whole day like, "Yeah, know this is a game of Steelers. lose, so uh be careful." And I wasn't. careful. I I thought the Steelers were. going to win. >> Yeah. And in quick pivot, the dynamic. kickoff situation. I want to make sure. we touch on this before the hard out. So. the the kickoff, what the NFL is. claiming that they have this whole thing. figured out, right, man? What what are. they saying with this? >> Well, and that's kind of what it seems. like. 79.3% of kickoffs have been. returned,

>> which is what we wanted. We wanted stuff. returned. We want it in play. We want to. We want to make it a football play. >> Yes. You just didn't want it to be a. kick through the the end zone. And the. fact that now it's, you know, damn near. 80% of kickoffs are being returned, that's incredible. highest rate since. 2006. 32 ret returns of at least 40. yards. And that's something that's. really changed the game. Like we've seen. situations now where the kickoff has won. and lost games, both not being able to. get the ball through the back of the end. zone and guys being able to return it to. the 40 and it's a couple plays and all.

of a sudden you're in field goal range. So it is, you know, it does seem as. though the dynamic kickoff after a. couple years here I is the answer. Now. the other thing they're working on is. the on-site kick thing. I think it was, you know, one of 20 or one of 120 kick. onside kicks have actually been. recovered. So now at the owner's. meetings, they're kind of, you know, playing with again the fourth and 15. proposal about doing that as a play. instead of the on-site kick. That one's. just kind of up in the air. Who knows. what happens there, but from the kickoff.

perspective, I'm kind of used to it now. where it doesn't really look that weird. You know, exactly what you. >> It still looks kind of weird. I. >> Were you on the Were you on the hands. team? Yeah. Mhm. >> Like I mean I I guess it's because of. injuries and stuff like that. Like why. can't we just go back to the old on. side? >> We can definitely do the onside because. you don't they're they don't like the. running collisions. We we have we're got. 30 40 yards gaining ground and then bam. those collisions. That's what I feel. like they were taking. That's what's. dangerous. Those are the scariest hits. with the onside. What do you have 10.

yards they're running? >> I was always the front line. So my job. was to block the dude. I'm going to. block it. And guess what? Jordy Nelson's. standing behind me. Hopefully I know. he's going to get it. So, I'm going to. go block this dude, but we only have. maybe 10 yards between us. That's. doable. We can We don't want 40, 50. yards guys sailor diving and knocking. themselves out on the wedge. That's what. they wanted to get rid of. >> That's I just don't understand why we. can't go back to that and why teams have. to declare it before they they can't. like it just. >> dumb. I think. >> it that that's one of the most electric. plays in a game and it's it's completely.

been eliminated. like you you never or. if like you're a team that is down by a. couple scores like. >> you you are never thinking like oh. there's a chance we're going to recover. an onside kick like you're you're not. >> you're not going to get it. Hey before. we our heart out I want to see I believe. we have a graphic with coach Mike. McCarthy's pick for tonight somewhere. and I believe Pat's pick because I'm. going to make a pick for the game. tonight. We just got done talking to. Kirk Herbstreet. I'm not sure, man. When. big Mike talks about these games, I know. he doesn't any division rivalries. He is.

uh he's tough, but where's Mike going? Here we go. This first time we're seeing. this. >> He's got he's got Vikings plus three and. a half. Vikings with the points, I. believe. >> Yeah. I have a little blurb from him. here. He said. >> uh if the Chargers go after the Vikings. corners like the Eagles did, that could. be an issue. Okay. Whoever runs the ball. the best and the most will win. >> The obvious factor is obviously going to. be the turnover ratio uh turnover ratio. battle. That's gonna factor in a game. Like you mentioned, AJ, it's not a. division game, but that's still too many. points. That's why he likes the Vikings.

>> Vikings at what? What is that again? >> Three and a half. Three and a half. >> They're getting three and a half. >> Yeah. >> You know what, Coach Mike? I'm going to. take the Vikings as well. I lied with. you. I don't know what I don't know what. Pat picked yet. You guys know what? >> I'm not sure. Do we Oh. >> Oh, okay. The Chargers. That was not But. not Believe me, I had no clue. >> I will say this, Pat, you're welcome. You can get Chargers minus three. >> Okay, give you have minus three. That's. a big deal. That is a big deal right. there. All right. So, myself, coach Mike. McCarthy, we are on the Vikings. Pat is. on the Chargers. >> Minus three. Yeah.

>> Minus three. Okay. >> I mean, that that four and0. I love it, man. I can't wait to bet on. Carson Wentz to to throw for 400 yards. Probably not the time to say that, but I. can't wait for it to happen. >> It had been the uh the Dogs as well. They had won, I think, seven of eight uh. until Thursday Night Football last week. and when the Bengals continued that, but. then Sunday Night Football and then both. games on Monday night, the favorites. won. >> I mean, I understand these trends. I. understand all of that when it comes to. gambling. But in the moment, in the.

night when they're out there playing, has nothing to do with any of nothing. >> But if you're strictly just going what. analytics, chicken, >> you got to let they got to let people. have all the information. Let them. decide. >> Mhm. >> You're a fool not to look at the. information. You should look at it, right? How hard do you look at? >> If you don't learn from the past, you're. doomed to repeat it. AJ, >> who said that? >> Uh, I believe that was Albert Einstein. >> Was it really? >> Or Thomas Jefferson. >> Thomas Jeff. Yeah. Well, you never know. We don't know. We're up against a hard. out. We're not sure who said anything at. any point in the history of this great,

beautiful country. But we will be here. tomorrow. We appreciate you guys. watching. See you tomorrow, >> dude. >> Well done, Hog. >> I should have said digital, all that. stuff. I missed all that. But, you know, we're talking ball. Hey, and also when. you do miss all that, that's why Nick. posted a cool bottom thing up because it. says it all in there just in case. >> Thank you, Nick. Always looking out for. me. Appreciate you, boys. >> It was uh it was George Centenna. originally 1905 and then Winston. Churchill made it a little more famous. >> Yep. Y. >> they I mean those presidents had speech.

writers way back in the day going back. till Nope. >> The first president, I assume, right? >> FDR never did. >> You're telling You think George. Washington? You [ __ ] prick. You don't. know [ __ ] about George Washington. You. think they had enough ink to be writing. with their quills to be. >> I don't know. I'm just checking. I'm. It's in real time. I'm just asking. questions. >> Top of the dome. >> Yeah. Actually, funny enough, there. there is a sweet new George Washington. show coming out on HBO. It's like a. whole entire like show about George. Washington's life. >> Does it start with the tree? >> It's it the the trees in it. The the.

trees in it. >> The cherry tree is there, >> I think. Um but it is him basically as a. you know teenager becoming. >> What was he like as a teenager? a [ __ ] legend. >> Yeah. >> What What kind of question is that? >> I would like to know. I only I only know. George Washington the president. I want. to know George Washington series then, [ __ ]. >> I When's it come out? I'm just here. >> It comes out soon. I'm assuming I'm. assuming president. >> It better be. Hopefully he's not too. boring, too. We got a movie.

>> Good lord. I didn't say anything about. it. I mean, okay. I think we have. something about these speech right if we. can. Who else you want to question? Gandhi Judson Welliver is generally. credited as the first presidential. speech writer serving as a literary cork. for president. Okay. Warren G. Harding. Okay. 21. >> World War I. >> First person hired specifically for this. role. The beginning of modern credential. presidential speech writing. So that's a. big deal now, right? >> Yeah. And if I remember correctly, Warren G. Harding was a big [ __ ]. fatso. So that would make sense that he.

was lazy and he needed someone else to. write a speech for him. >> Yeah. Okay. >> That that checks a lot of boxes. Have. you seen the king's speech? >> I have not. No, the movie from back in. the day that won all those awards. >> Yeah. Bingo. Very cool. It's actually. good. Yeah. Very very good. Especially. because it it's a topic that is boring. writing speeches for a king or or. whatever, but the uh the entire story. cuz he was a king with a speech. impediment and so it wasn't just a. speech. >> Who played the king in that? >> Colin FTH. There it is. >> I just remember I think I remember. seeing a trailer when he's like doing.

burpees or push-ups or something. >> Yes, exactly. >> Isn't that real? >> Yeah. Yeah. is everything they do in the. movie is what the king actually did to. to beat his stammer because obviously. very important you know the king talking. and this is in England royal family's. complete true story yeah it's a true. story the king you know he had a stutter. his older brother was decided not to be. the king so he had to be the king and. back then really just radio so the only. thing people really heard from you was. what you were saying and because he had.

a stutter people made fun of him and all. that [ __ ] Um and then this the king's. speech the entire movie is just about. you know kings be speech writing rather. for kings and just him himself it's a. very unique situation because he had a. stutter but him himself like working out. his stutter in order to deliver his. first speech as king. >> So he he beat it. >> Yeah it is a very very Yeah it's a very. good. >> if you're telling me that's a good movie. because in the moment I remember. watching thinking I see a lot of a lot. of these other movies I've actually.

watched that should win these awards but. that one won a lot of awards. Yes. And. that one I would say like deserved just. because it was uniquely and good. >> Yeah. Oscar Bay for sure. You probably. wouldn't be able to mentally comprehend. it. So I don't know if you would enjoy. it very much, but. >> I struggle with accents. You know that. >> I know. I know. No, it's it's good. It's. good though. >> I don't know. >> Something to think about. But but again, I mean, tonight it's [ __ ] Vikings. Chargers about movies. >> Maybe on your way home. On your drive. home watch. >> Yeah. Maybe on the drive home it'll keep. me awake. You thinking? Well,

>> yeah. >> Oh yeah. Boy, we're kind of in the. danger zone now with you, huh? >> You're driving away from the sun, though, so you should be all right, though, right? >> Well, I don't You know what? >> Driving right into. >> I've realized it doesn't matter. It. don't matter where the sun is. If if. your body shutting down and telling you. to take a nap, you say, "Hey, pull off. into that gas station on the side of the. road. You might need to sleep for 12. minutes.". >> How often do you do that? >> Uh, depends how much I'm driving. But. now I'm not. Now, I used to fight. through it. Used to power through. I. would just I got this. Yeah, of course. Let's open the shoulder a little bit.

>> You get the hit the rumble strips a few. times. Yeah. Yeah. My stupid car now. I. I I like my older car. I didn't even. have GPS system. My my my truck now wait. says multiple times flashes warnings. that you need to get coffee. It says you. need a coffee break. I got to press okay. to say shut up and it'll say like stop. swerving. Bruce, I see is shaking his. head. Does he have a car that has this? >> I've been in one where that does that. >> I'm trying to turn these alerts off, bud. Like even if I'm dead asleep, that's not waking up.

>> That's fair. >> I've gotten to the point uh I I used to. also just be like, "Oh, [ __ ] it. Let's. power through." Like me and it's not. safe. >> Yeah. Me and me me and Zito drove back. from Tampa in a U-Haul and we drove it. straight through and it was honestly it. was easy. Now, if I'm going anywhere. that is over 4 hours away, I I make sure. I stop two and a half hours in just to. reset. Like, okay, we're halfway. through. Smart. Yeah. Let's Let's Let's. get a water. Let's get some peanuts. >> You know what? [ __ ] it. Let's get trail. mix. Sure. You know, and then you mix.

even. >> Boom. Oh, >> check mix at like the sheets or you. know, local truck stop. That's those are. That's not bad. Keep you up. >> If you're lucky enough to see a Bies, >> we don't have Bies in Ohio, though. I. don't think. >> you have Bies here. >> You got to go. You got to go south. I. believe Kucky's the first one. >> Yeah. >> Is it Foxy? You like Do you like Bies. back there? I saw his eyes light up. >> No, I've never been to Bies before. >> It's not a northern thing. >> No. Northeast even. It's basically this. It's a a gas station the size of a super. Walmart. Yes. Is that what you would. say? >> Nailed it.

>> I get it. Everyone likes these things. >> In my head, it's still a gas station. It. can't be that great, but it's kind of. great. >> I know everyone's going to hate me for. saying that. >> Yeah. What do you mean everyone? >> What's your version of that the gas. station in Michigan? >> Like, is it Wawa? Is it cheats? It's not. marathon. >> Yeah. I mean, >> that doesn't count. That's why he. doesn't get it. >> To Foxy's point, uh, and maybe this is. kind of the two sides of the coin here, I guess, since I didn't have it. I think. it's so cool. >> He didn't have it. He thinks it's. stupid. >> Do we have anyone here that grew up with. a Bies close to their house? Because.

then maybe Are they sick of it? Are they. >> No, but the world's biggest truck stop. is in uh Iowa right before you leave the. uh What's it called? >> Yeah, it's called the world's biggest. truck stop. Yes. >> Yeah. You look it up. It's pretty sweet. >> What goes on there? >> Well, I'm not a trucker, so I'm usually. getting off there to take a massive. shite. A lot of stuff goes on there. >> But I I I I think you could probably. assume fair amount of lot lizards. >> They still a thing? They still doing it? >> I think so. I mean, again, I'm not a. trucker, so I don't know.

>> But, you know, it's pretty cool. You can. get a nice warm shower there if you'd. like. You know, >> I have always I've always thought about. that. Put my name in to be get on the. list, get a shower at this at different. ones. Yeah. Stop with love. >> Love is a solid one. I find myself when. I drive uh from here and back to. Columbus, I stop at the same I always. think I'm going to new gas stations, always going to the same ones. Like I. know these people should though. That. That's the smart. >> I buy little trinkets. I got They got. like little lighters that are pistols. They got I got lasers. I get Oh, my kids.

will love this and I buy it for myself. and forget to give to them. >> Yeah, that's classic. That's [ __ ] that. happens at gas station. I mean, why do. you think I had 200 pairs of sunglasses? Still have 200 pairs. Why do you think I. got there? Because I would go into a gas. station I knew had good ones. Yeah. >> I was I'm coming here every single time. to get this cool [ __ ]. >> Well, it's smart. >> Yeah. You find something that's good, you a whole lot of that [ __ ]. >> I got a fly gun that uses CO2 now. I. suggest you get it. It's a six shooter. Really? >> Yeah. So, like I had the pump, you know? I got the big pump shotgun. Everybody's. got that from six shooter like.

>> Yeah. So, I got this now. It's like it. it comes with a little You guys used to. buy You guys are cap guns. >> It's like the cap gun you you pop in. there. >> I'd say the barrel is that long on this. thing. It's a pistol, handgun, revolver, and then you pop the CO2 right in the. little in the butt of it, and those. flies don't have a chance. >> I'm not going to lie. It's a real. >> knock them unconscious. Dead like. >> it it they go past them. We don't we. don't worry about being unconscious. We. just explode them right away. They're. just Oh, it's beautiful. I think this. thing has like.

>> uh I see something. They popped up. My. the barrel was a little bigger than the. one I had than than that one. My Extend. that barrel about 5 in and that's the. one I have. CO2 goes right into where. your palm is, right in the butt of that. And I realized I have I bet I have 85. extra CO2 canisters because I was. worried that I was going to run out. because I was like, you know, when I had. BB guns going. >> and I still have BB guns like they the. CO2 runs out too fast. So Jack car, you. know, you got to be prepared. >> Yeah. >> Especially when it gets warm and there's.

flies all over your house. Like. sometimes I'll get five, six in within. like three or four minutes. >> Yeah. You should carry binos around. Why. do you have so many Why do you have so. many flies? You just pooping on your. floor every kids are leaving the goddamn. back door open dumpster for a while, too. That's a big thing when it's hot in. June, July. Those flies want to come in. They're going to breed. >> How much garbage do you have at your. house? >> Well, you know, >> why do you need a dumpster? >> I mean, cuz when you get if you get a. dumpster for a week, you're going to. want it for life. I'm just going to let. you know. It's that awesome. >> I 100% agree with you. >> And my buddy owns a dumpster company, so. I get so I got one put out. Hey, it's.

pretty tough. >> Bill has a dumpster, too. >> Does he? Bill back here? >> Yep. Is Bill still working out in his. office back there? I know he built a. whole piece of machinery like dip pullup. situation. Is that still back there? >> It's still back there. He doesn't use. though. He's in the hawk house usually. >> Yeah. Bill has been I mean you've seen. Bill. He's [ __ ] jacked right now. >> I've watched Bill run. Bill is very. light on his feet. Very spring. >> Yeah. He he actual for shoot like track. record at his high school. >> I heard that around here. >> Yeah. Uh down south I think. I don't.

[ __ ] know where this [ __ ] is. I don't. know where I. >> in Indiana. >> Yeah, in Indiana. Yeah. >> How's How's the U ball going? Is Pat. still the champ? Him and Evie? >> Yeah, him and Evan won, I believe, 11. straight. >> Yeah, Pat Pat and Fox had quite a had. their way with. >> How did AQ do? >> Not good. >> Yeah, AQ is not very good at you both. >> Who was his partner? >> Me, Tony. >> We sucked. >> Did you guys both suck together or did. one of you suck worse than others? >> It wasn't even about that yesterday. It. was just more about how good Foxy and. Pal were. I mean, there was times. >> Is it draining shots or they reading the. rebounds really?

>> A little bit of both. all of it. >> But if you're playing to 11, >> the games could go by pretty quick. >> Some of them do, some of them don't. It. just depends. >> Air ball gives you minus one. Air ball. meaning it doesn't hit the rim or what. if it just hits a backboard? >> Backboard's good. Nothing. If it hits. nothing, it's an air ball. >> Are there a lot of air balls? >> Yeah, >> tend to be. >> Yeah, I guess you're shooting that tiny. ball. I shot a few of them. It felt like. I was shooting a golf ball. Yeah, it's. much harder. >> because you could definitely like play. to like you could just wail it off the. backboard, but you're never going to get. enough points to, you know,

>> to sustain success. >> Yeah, I need to make it come into play. >> There is a chance um and granted that it. still has to be approved by the. committee, but uh there is a chance that. we have new uh U balls. Actually, um. Zeke ordered a couple very nice. >> Yeah, we'll see. a very um plump uh new. mini basketballs for the Uball Ball. We'll see. We'll see how it works. Kind. of a trial run. >> What do you mean plump? >> Then just very very filled up. Very very. grippy if you pic.

>> Bingo. There it is. PSI plump uh plum. balls. >> Plump space uh initial ball. >> cuz right now one of them's inflated, one of them's deflated. It changes the. rebounding aspect of the game. Yeah, it's kind of a circus game which we. enjoy. >> You got a needle and pump. >> Well, no that that's what we mean. And. the committee has to kind of deliberate. as far as do we even want to have two. balls that are the same? Do we like the. two different balls in the game? Does. anybody want to do that? It's just. something we kind of have to trial and. error here. >> Matt Pat and Foxy are you guys are on.

fire. >> We were on absolute fire yesterday. >> So you beat AQ and Tone like what's the. score? >> Yeah, we beat the score. >> We beat Debbut and Debb. >> Nobody's getting skunked, right? >> No, nobody's ever been skunk. >> Hold on. Hold on. Let's actually kind of. go into the debone debut to buckle they. face. >> Oh no. Debo never jumps when he tips. I. know. >> Well, >> yeah, New York's starting to make that a. point of emphasis. Hey, you can't catch. the ball and then jump. You have to. jump. Catch the ball, put it in. But. yeah, we just had a really good day. yesterday and then Bone said, "I'm so. competitive." And got really upset about.

it all and then drank a Red Bull at 6. p.m. and ran out of. >> He did. He sour grapes. He was sour. grapes. >> Wait, did he did he say the words, "I'm. so competitive." Basically, >> he said, "I I haven't been in like a. competitive setting in a long time." So, like, >> he said, "Oh, I bet I bet I would win if. I played with a professional athlete.". As he's playing with Darius Butler, >> it was crazy. >> with the professional. Debbut could play. in the NBA right now. >> His head off the top of the backboard. multiple times. >> Yeah. The best basketball player just. all around by a mile. >> Can jump out of the gym.

>> He's Debbone's partner. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, team Bone and Butts. I thought. they were dominant for a while. Where is. De Boner? He's over there making. graphics. He's not right now. He's He's slamming a. pillow dust. >> Oh, because he's so competitive and he. lost. >> competitive. >> Oh my gosh. >> You know how it goes. He's probably got. his. >> I guess competitive people, that's what. they do, man. Michael Jordan, we saw. Michael Jordan, right? He drained the. free throw that that clip. >> Did that come out before that Fox? I. don't know if we have that, but Michael. Jordan told the whole story to Mike. Trico on NBC at halftime, which is that. what it's going to be for the rest.

>> I don't know. I'm. >> I'm hoping not. I I still have faith. that there's a chance they do a studio. show and then he can. I would guess that there's a chance it's. going to be like Jeets when he was first. on with baseball where it was basically. like, >> "Yeah, I'm not doing any of the regular. season [ __ ] [ __ ] but when the. World Series gets around, like, sure, I'll I'll come out and be on the desk. with you guys.". >> Is that the only time Jeet was on the. desk? Really? >> Uh, I think he's done it a little bit. more, but like when he first got hired, yeah, it was like, "Hey, I'll be there. for the big moments.". >> And credit to Michael Jordan for.

actually doing this. So he got an Airbnb. and then the guy I don't know if it was. contingent when he booked the Airbnb you. bring your whole family out and. everybody which is very very nice of. Michael Jordan to do he doesn't have to. do that but he not only did he meet him. take pictures he comes out here and. drain a free throw and guess what it was. nothing but net he was not lying to. >> yeah it was a pure swish he actually. tells kind of sweet information about. the free throw too did he like he. explained the reasoning the NBA moved. the blocks out wider was cuz Will.

Chamberlain uh was like too big and. basically and then they also he also. explained why there's a little um yeah I. I think we're rewinding to it but he he. kind of it's tough to hear so hopefully. you can we'll see. >> it's been a while. they can go over this line when it. >> they can't but you know where that line. come from the line used to be in. >> moved it out. >> right. >> how what look at you. >> Lucas we're See that center circle?

>> You remember the center circle? >> They didn't have it. Will Chamberlain. used to take a drive, take off, and. left. That was the three. So now you. can't start the shot outside the center. circle and you can't break this line. until it hit. That's a real change. >> Had no idea about it. >> Please make it. Please make it. >> Yeah. [Applause]. [Music]. >> So cool. That was pressure, man. >> That's pretty sweet. I mean, it is.

pressure. Yeah. Those little kids. wearing Jordan jerseys. They never. watched him play. Obviously, none of you. guys probably even watched him play. >> Never. I never I never saw they. definitely did. >> NBC stuff. That was a whole They were. smart tut. nostalgia situation there. >> 896 and that was about like my first. sports memory is the. >> Mark Albert, >> Jim Harbaugh, Hail Mary against the Col. against the Steelers in 1995. So, yeah, I would have been watching MJ at that. time. I was watching. Ty, you were. watching Jordan back then without a. doubt. Sunday afternoons. Yeah. Felt.

like every Sunday were playing. >> That's what I said. The day after I was. like uh I had like the most intense deja. vu of like sitting on my couch like you. being seven years old watching the Bulls. play. Like it was insane. >> Yeah. And they asked the players who. were playing on NBC like what like what. do you remember from NBC basketball? And. they're like. >> nothing. I wasn't born saw that. Nothing. at all. Yeah, >> they're like, I didn't know they played. basketball. And and then someone just. said like, oh, Michael Jordan. And then. they cut to the the Jordan thing, man.

The NBC thing is great. And it also has. definitely raised the ESPN game, too. The Chuck and Shaq. >> Last night they said this is the Didn't. Who said that? Shaq said, "This is the. real opening night.". >> Last night Sha I believe said that when. that being on ESPN, the NBC the prime. the prime pregame like all all the all. the deaths are really really cool. Yeah. >> See, I didn't see much of the prime. stuff. Was the prime stuff running? >> Okay, good. I was wondering like it. wouldn't run at the same time. >> I think it's tomorrow. >> How do we know which games are where?

>> So, yeah, that's the thing you kind of. really have to look at. >> Come up on your. >> It feels as though Monday night is going. to be uh NBC or Tuesday, whatever the. Sorry, Tuesday. Tuesday is NB. Yeah, here we go. So, Sunday is NBC, Monday's. Peacock, Tuesday NBC Peacock. Yeah. Then. Wednesday ESPN. Tonight is uh ESPN. though. uh the two games tonight, the. Thunder Pacers and Nuggets Warriors. But. looks like Prime's going to normally be. Thursday, probably after football. >> Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, that's. >> after football's right. Okay.

>> Yeah. And then Friday, Prime like I I. assume tomorrow and Saturday are the. first two uh prime pregame shows, but do. not do not take that as fact. I'm just. guessing looking at. >> tomorrow. >> I know they uh I know they played that. with Chuck who who they broadcast for, >> which person broadcast for which thing. It was pretty good. I don't know. I I. have genuine questions who they all work. for now. >> Like he was so confused cuz he's like. >> they popped up Alli Leforce who was the. sideline person for all the for all of. TNT games last year and before and he's.

like. >> Ally she was with she was with us last. year, right? And then he guessed so so. he just assumed that she went over to. ESPN, but no, she's still with TNT doing. like just other sports. >> And TNT doesn't have basketball, right? >> No, no, not anymore. >> But they have college they have college. football and they have they still have. baseball. No, >> I CBS does. Yeah, they might have some. March Madness maybe. >> They do. They definitely and they get. the ESPN sold some of the rights to the. College Football Playoff. Yeah, the. Tony's point. >> Everything is everywhere now. >> It's crazy. >> It's all over the place. >> Tough tough for old people like me, I.

guess, to figure out where it is. I got. to ask young people. >> Yeah, we'll help. >> Thank you. Please do. How old are you. now, Con Man? >> I'm 30. >> Are you 30? >> Yeah, I'm 30 years old. >> You look great. Bill, how old is Bill. over here? >> 29. >> 29. >> You guys are all very young. You guys. look good, though. >> Bone and majority of the off office is. 30 at least. No. >> Yeah. B I think Bone and Mid are the. only two under 30. >> Okay. >> Besides Bill. >> and Bill. >> Well, yeah, but Bill is 40 since I met. >> That is a good point. >> And you guys ever do that uh your real. like uh you spit into a cup or something.

or Tony, you probably threw him some. semen and they tell you your actual age. >> Yeah, my real age. I'm about uh three My. body is three years older than I should. be. >> Okay. >> Oh, so yours went the wrong way. >> Yep. >> I think like Kim Kardashian was talking. about it. Oh, I'm She's 41, but it says. she's 27. >> I want to get back to my actual age. How. do you do that? >> You uh work out, eat healthy, get sleep, drink water, all that stuff. >> Well, if you do all that and it says. you're 55. >> Well, that won't happen. That's not how. science works. >> And plus, if that happens, that means. holy [ __ ] at 55, I'm going to be an.

aux. >> It's true. >> With that being said, I think we're. going to wrap this one up. But you're. right, comment. I look forward to you. I. hope I am around this earth when you are. 55. We will be. >> I will watch you just. >> just cracking skulls everywhere you go. >> Thanks, man. I hope I'm not just. cracking skulls. I hope I'm just kind of. hanging out like fishing and stuff, but. if we're cracking skulls, that'd be. cool, too. >> Okay, good. Well, you know what, boys? I. appreciate you guys. I I will see you. again tomorrow, actually. Yes, you will. I'll have a very safe drive home. >> Very safe drive back here in the. morning. I I I legit.

>> I'm old enough now where I'm not dumb. I. would never push through falling asleep. >> I hope so. Thank you. >> The the other thing is too, like where. we are at this point, >> the the biggest danger is just driving. on the highway. Aside from that, you're. you're kind of okay. >> Be safe. cuz I had a dream about you. So. just be safe. >> You did. Right before we came on air, Tone told me he thought I was going to. die in the next like week and a half. Said he had a dream about me dying right. soon. Three, two, Bo. Here we go. We're. live on air. And Tone Oh, yeah. Hey, you're going to die in like nine nine or. 10 days. I had a dream about it, bud. All right, cool. I guess we'll just move.

on from that one. Plush that one. But. Tone, I you know, not all dreams are. real. >> No, they are. >> Amen. >> Especially mine. >> Some dreams are [ __ ] nightmares. >> That's true. Was it a nightmare for you. or was it a dream that I was dead? >> It was a nightmare. Okay. >> I was a ball bear. That was sick. >> Congrats. >> Yes. Congrats. >> It was sick. >> Hopefully had your hat on too. Sweet. cowboy hat. Were you in the front? Were. you holding the middle? Right in the. middle. >> Mangle was in front of him just sobbing. like a baby. >> Yeah.

>> Which I understand. I was too drinking a. beer. Get a beer hat. The. >> He would want this. AJ would want me to. have a good time. >> He You know what, Bob? I would I would. want. >> Mr. Brown, owner of the Bengals was one. of them. kidding your match. >> You guys actually. >> He was here for seven months. >> You guys You actually catered the meal. afterwards from the Browns restaurant or. the Bengals restaurant. >> Got a new restaurant down there. >> Beautiful. >> All right, boys. Thank you guys in the. back. Appreciate you. Pete Rose. >> Yeah. >> RIP. He's watching down. >> Yeah, he he's with you. >> Charlie Hustle.

>> Charlie Hustle took you through, baby. >> Boys, bring it in. Bring it in here. Here we go, boys. We'll have a great one. tomorrow. I'll be back. We'll be some. great things going on. Pat will be in. Nashville tomorrow for game day. >> Good job today. Thank you. Thank you guys. Here we go. Team on me. Team on three. 1 2 3.