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>> Hello beautiful people and [music]. welcome to our humble the board the. draft kings thunderdome on this [music]. training camp in Thursday August 30th. 2026. This program begins now. football. >> It's July 30th. It's almost August. I. said August 30th. Boy, we are very close. to August 30th because it does feel as. if we are fully into football season. We. got drama. We got highlights. We got. storylines, we got money, we got lack of. money, we got tweaks, we got injuries,

we got updates, we got everything. happening around the NFL world that we. are uh elated about. And don't look now, baseball's also got some drama coming. right down the pipe. >> Terrick Scooel of the Detroit Tigers, if. you listen to Jet Passing, which we do, saying he's going to be traded within. the next day or so. Will that happen. while we're live? We shall see. Who are. the possible suitors? Well, uh, the. Dodgers. >> are obviously potentially in the running. for the best player that's available at. any given moment because what they do. Trick walked off the mound last night. after a seven inning run that he had and.

all of Detroit knew is potentially his. last one. This what it sounded like. [cheering]. >> Scoo. mid afternoon on a Wednesday. >> Yeah, pretty good. >> in Detroit. Now, did Scoobs understand in the moment. that they were certainly clapping as a. thank you as you leave Detroit? Probably. Is he so locked in after his. thing that he just wants to get off. there is kind of uncomfortable. Does he. think clapping just for the performance.

he just had or does he know the reality. of the business that this is an entire. goodbye type thing? We'll never know. until he tells us. But I will say this, it's a bummer that these small market. teams just can't keep their supers. >> Big time bummer. >> I mean, what Paulino, you know, Pittsburgh Pirate, he's unbelievable. Well, it's soon where a decision is. gonna have to be made and a lot of money. is gonna have to be given. Everybody's. telling me that they got five years of. Skino control. It's like, I don't think. so, pal. I I don't think that is.

necessarily how baseball works. This. scoop guy was potentially going to be uh. Sai Young winner, all these types of. things. Best thrower in baseball. Obviously, he's got a contract dispute. that's kind of or not dispute, a. contract situation that's right around. the corner that's going to pay him. hundreds and [screaming]. hundreds of millions of dollars. Clearly. their best pitcher in Detroit, one of. the best pitchers in all of baseball. And now everybody's like, well, he's. heading to the Dodgers or another team. And Detroit's like, well, >> what about us? >> Yeah. We're supposed to be one of the.

best teams in baseball. We're supposed. to have this deal done before the. season. We're supposed to be running for. a World Series right now. instead we. stink. We're not going to make the. playoffs and Scoob's gone. Our best. player. >> that's Detroit football and we are. incredibly proud of you for that. Uh so. Scoob's movement will certainly be. something we cover. We'll be talking to. Eric Hosmer in the next hour. Former. first baseman. uh also a World Series. champion for the Royals which might be. the last small market team to win a. World Series which is obviously a huge. part of the discussion around baseball. as a whole cuz the next negotiation is.

currently taking place and lockout hold. out no baseball next year potentially. comes at the cost of what does a salary. cap look like next year because the. small market teams want to have comp uh. competitive fairness is what everybody. is looking for from MLB side and the. players are saying hey if they want to. pay us $700 million over the next 20. years 30 years Bobby Benia this thing. that's not our fault in baseball is. healthy right now so there's a huge. brawl I think he will be a good person. to chitchat about also who's going to. win it all baseball's starting to matter.

not as much as football obviously toxic. tip was here at AP tone and at Tai. Schmidt con man we love you we hope. you're enjoying the hell out of your. celebration of love training camp's. awesome tone and I saw some people. saying that you were maybe shaking in. your boots a little bit whenever we were. showing what was going on in Cincinnati. cuz I know in the AFC North the. Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore. Raven Ravens have kind of been the. Kings. Now, there was a run where Joey. Burrow obviously made it to the Super. Bowl and we thought that was going to be. the thing. Then injuries take place. Now. they haven't been back. But after seeing.

Cincinnati fighting each other, not only. day one, okay, big brawl, Jamar Chase is. in there. >> Giki is getting into it a little bit. too. Same guy. Now, who is the 35 fella. that jumps on the back of Davis Watson? Uh Jaylen Davis. Jaylen Davis, number. 35. He's one fighting Jamar Chase. He's. also in the back of here too. Yeah. >> And then there's a video that the uh I. believe the Bengals or or maybe a media. reported of uh sexy Dexi, new addition. to the Cincinnati Bengals. Walk about. Joe Burrow saying this.

>> I want to see it today. Mr. Burrow see. it every day, brother. >> Oh. >> Mhm. >> Oh. >> Mhm. We'll see. Okay. Then you go to. Jaylen Davis who after starting fights, you know, with multiple people and this. is what he had to say in the locker room. afterwards. >> Jaylen, obviously we all kind of saw the. little scuffle out there with Jamar. Can. you talk about what happened? >> Uh, we just competing. That's all it is. We just competing. Uh, I always feel. like the energy got to be like that. It. got to be like that on both sides of the.

field. I hope it's a fight every day. I. hope it's a fight every day. Uh, like I. said, get the energy going. Like you. said, we just competing and that's. that's it. >> Okay. So, I want to let you know the. fire that I'm seeing from the Bengals. defensive side. >> Okay. With the addition of Dexter. Lawrence, everybody knows that the idea. of the Bengals is if their defense is. good, they're going to be a good. football team because the offense is. going to handle their part. And now we. got the offense getting attacked. basically by the defense first couple. days of training camp. I'm assuming Zack. Taylor and the offensive side of Boy say. we who do these guys think they we carry.

this team and now the defense is kind of. taking it to them. I like what I'm. seeing out of Cincinnati. Not great to. be fighting this early. >> I think you know normally at least a day. or two kumbaya but the Bengals got an. edge going into camp. They're not the. only ones, but people are saying. Pittsburgh Steelers also had maybe the. best day of camp they've had in a long. time. Tone AFC North heating up with a. lot of new faces. >> Yeah, I heard from someone yesterday uh. that was in Latro at St. Vincent for. Steelers camp and said it was one of the. best practices they've had in a long, long time. Things were quick, things. were fast, things were planned, things. were organized. So, take that how you.

ever you want to take that with Big. Mike. Things were good there. Yeah, the. Bengals. I mean, if they can get their. keep their offensive players uh healthy. during training camp, if they're not. going at ACL's and knees and jumping on. backs and stuff like that and their. players make it to the season, then. yeah, they're definitely. >> update Shamar Stewart who was part off. yesterday uh had a hyperextension. looking injury. Turns out just. hyperextended knee, everything is kind. of good and in place going to hurt. Obviously, anytime you hyperextend your. knee, there's also a potential for bone. bruising happening and everything like. that. When I hyperextended my knee, uh,

one of the times, I think I did it on. numerous times whenever I was kicking. I. actually dislocated my patella, you. know, which is your kneecap. I heard of. some people on TV call it the patellar, which I respect that, but I think it is. the patella. I had a dislocated one and. uh, anything can happen when you. hyperextend. There's a lot of different. little problems that can happen in a. knee. Them saying he's good, huge deal. because the knee is not supposed to go. that way. >> No. >> You know, you Ripley's Believe It or. Not, I can't believe this human exists. that those types of people's knees go. backward and they go on tour to showcase. it. >> like hey look how weird my knees are.

>> knees aren't supposed to go back so. whenever they get hit the fact that he's. good I think is a testament to the way. his body is constructed but also maybe. that's football gods you know letting. the Cincinnati Bengals have another. defensive piece I like what I'm seeing. out of Bengals camp now is that because. we have to talk about it every single. day and they are providing a lot of. stuff helmet throw already. >> yeah I think we like that but the. Bengals back in the day that's what they. were. It's like that that was Bengals. throwback kind of mentality and attitude. whenever they were good. So maybe we're.

back to it. Now Ty, on your particular. world, we've seen a lot of videos. >> Siriani gave a great team speech. >> He did. >> chop away Carrie water. >> Mhm. >> He said pay attention and fall in love. with the small things, you know, and. things are going to have to happen in. the dark that are going to come to the. light. And you got to be addicted and. infatuated with just small. It's not. sexy. He said a couple times and he. said, "I'm going to read this from the. book." And he says, "Great. This is not. sexy. [laughter] This is the furthest. thing from sexy. I appreciate though. that what we're seeing here is not only. a man trying to motivate his squad, a. man who has had a team that has fallen.

in love with him every single year that. he has been there, but also a guy who is. showcasing what people do and what. coaches have to do to find stories that. can motivate a group of men who are. highly paid, highly successful, most of. them very stubborn, a lot of. personality, a lot of egos in that room. How do you address them and say, "Hey, this is our mission." He's saying, "Well, I use a little AI. Okay, I'm not. scared to do that. I also read a book. I. took some other people's words. They're. trying to find inspiration from. everything. And his ability to relate to. his team, I think, is something that. never gets talked about. Good on Siri.

not sounding like a [ __ ] in this. And. everybody on the internet saying, "Hey, he's not a big dumb dipshit." I think. it's good for the Philadelphia Eagles. >> Yeah, I would agree. And I think a lot. of people probably don't. I mean, like. that all seems like coach speak like, you know, he basically said, "Hey, I. need to figure something out so I can. get a fresh message to the team." But. they've had so much success. Like at a. certain point though, like this is a new. team and last year didn't go or didn't. finish the way they wanted it to. So. like you do kind of need to reframe. everything and you know after a while. guys I mean you would know better than. any of us like you don't you probably.

don't want to hear the same thing year. in year out. It's like okay like do we. got you have anything new to provide us. like what what's going on here? We. didn't win the Super Bowl last year so. like are we going to are we going to. change anything? So yeah, exactly. Like. those guys can sniff through the. [ __ ] and then Siri said that when he. first came on with us. He was like, you. know, I maybe tried that when I first. got the head coaching job and you know. would say certain stuff and like guys. would they'd keep me honest and be like. hey coach like that didn't make any. [ __ ] sense. Like throw that one out.

Don't use that one again. So like at. least he's not you know he's not too. brash or overconfident to in terms of. like he'll go up there and he knows that. those guys are going to keep him. accountable. So like he wants to make. sure that message is fresh because. obviously the expectations for them are. to go win a Super Bowl. >> Devonte Smith now clear number one. No. AJ Brown looks like everybody's boopping. around and I'll tell you when their. social team started posting highlights. It's like they got dudes everywhere on. that team. They completely forget. Goddard's still on that team as well. I. do believe and Jaylen Herz looks good. Jaylen Herz looks good. You know big. storyline was offensive play caller and.

then on defensive side they paid a lot. of folks. Uh we are very lucky that we. have a chance actually to go boots on. the ground here. Uh, let's go camping, shall we? [applause]. >> All right. Uh, boots on the ground at. Philadelphia camp is actually defensive. coordinator. Uh, Vic Pangio. Okay, Vic. Uh, we appreciate you for joining us. We. were wondering, do you think your team's. going to win uh the Super Bowl this. year, coach? >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the Fifth Amendment on questions. >> Okay. I I understand you wouldn't want. to say if you're going to win a Super. Bowl. No, that can certainly backfire.

Kind of make you look like an [ __ ] if. you want to do that. Okay. Well, is the. defense going to be like a much better. or no? What do you think? >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the fifth amendment on questions. >> What the hell? >> Okay. >> Why'd you come on the show? This This. feels stupid. Do you have a question for. >> Yeah, I do. Hey, Vic. Do you think you. guys overpaid for Jaylen Carter or was. that the right move? >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the fifth amendment on questions. >> What? >> Why is he doing this? >> I don't know. >> Coach, I thought like the reason why you. are such a good coach because you can.

reach your Tone actually has a question. for you. Hey, he is an AP vote now. Don't be an [ __ ] here now. He has an. AP vote. Please don't maybe you can. reach him. >> Coach, obviously you paid Bond last. year, you paid Carter, you paid Davis. Are you going to be able to pay Coupe De. and and and Quinon Mitchell? Those are. those are your cornerstones on the back. end. >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the fifth amendment on questions. >> I really thought because you're Italian, he was going to show you a little bit of. respect. Let's go. Let's go to an attic. in Ohio. Uh let's go to a college. football national champion, Super Bowl. champion, Roger Cup winner. Ladies and. gentlemen, AJ Hawk. AJ,

>> maybe you can. You're the all-time. leading tackler for the Green Bay. Packers. Can you ask Coach Van? Maybe. he'll answer you. I don't know what this. is all about. >> Yeah. Coach, what's uh what do you think. about the reports we hear that you guys. are really heating people up in camp. this year? You're going to try to really. bring more blitzes, more multiple looks. here as far as defense goes for you. >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the fifth amendment on question. >> AJ, man, what is that all time leading. tackler for the Green Bay Packers? Vic, did you know that? Did you know AJ's the. all-time leading tackler prick? >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the fifth amendment on questions.

>> [ __ ] that, bro. >> Yeah, that's ridiculous. Do you like Big. Dom? >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the fish and then. Okay. >> Wow. >> Wow. I don't know how you just walk in. there and do that. I don't I don't know. how that is what it But it is crazy. I. guess everybody can kind of just do that. now. That's in there from my. understanding. >> That's right. >> Okay. Do you have anything to say, man? Do you have any Like the Philadelphia. Eagles fans are certainly going to want. you to say something about something at. some point about your defense or your. team, but how about the culture? How.

about the, you know, AJ Brown's out of. town. Is that a good thing? Can you just. say something, please? >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the fifth amendment on out. questions. >> Okay. >> It's disgusting. >> You just got to take the fifth. amendment, I guess. >> I guess that does work in football press. conferences. It could. Maybe he's on to. something. >> Just did it. >> Wow. >> Well, since let's not lose hope and. going camping just cuz what just. happened. >> What was he referencing, by the way? >> Huh? >> What was he referencing? I. >> I think it was a Chappelle skit. >> Oh, okay. Cool. Cool. >> Right. Is that what it was? >> Yeah, maybe. >> Probably. >> That's what I saw. I saw a lot of that.

>> Yeah. Well, >> I saw a lot of I think that's what he. was referencing. >> You might be right. >> Okay. Let's not lose faith in camping, though, just cuz one person decided. Agreed. Agreed. >> Okay. Hey, ladies, it's time. Hey, camp. on. We hold you in our hearts. Let's go. camping. >> Okay. Let's go to the New York Giants. camp, shall we, ladies and gentlemen? From north jersey.com. That's the entire northern part of the. state. This guy runs it, ladies and. gentlemen. Art Stapleton. Art.

>> Art, we need answers. >> What's up, fellas? Well, I I'm just. going to be like Fouchy and take the. fifth. [laughter]. >> This cannot be what this We got a daily. show. We got to talk to people. We need. answers. >> Take the [laughter] question. Get it out. of here. Okay, Art. Uh, let's talk about. the Giants training camp. Uh, thank you. so much for joining us. We are very. appreciative. But I think the Giants. obviously a massive piece of the. storyline going into the season because. huge market, huge brand, huge name, huge.

change. John Harbaugh coming in there. and it's his world now as we all see it. Him and Shane getting along, both. getting deals together. Harbaugh's camp, how has it been different or similar to. things you've seen in the past? And what. are you guys expecting out of this. training camp under John Harbaugh? >> Well, we got 11 days down here at the. Greenbryer in West Virginia. I don't. know if it was your old stomping. grounds, Pat, but certainly familiar. with what goes on down here in the good. old state of West Virginia. John. Harbaugh out of the 11 days here, they.

are practicing 10 days. So, you know, the NFLPA spies will be somewhere in. attendance making sure that they tow the. line during this acclamation period and. we don't see any more hitting that needs. to be. But look, I mean, there's. optimism because it's John Harbaugh. And. regardless of that viral video of the. first 50 seconds of his speech to the. start the offseason program, this team. buys into this coach. This coach walks. in the building. Everybody sits up a.

little bit more. He's got the pelts on. the wall. He's got the ring to prove it. And he's got the wins. And I think uh. the Giants believe in Harbaugh. >> And I mean, they are New York Giants. Uh. go ahead, AJ. Yeah. Or obviously the guy. on the screen, Jackson Dart, I guess. What are the expectations for him from. the outside, I guess, from the fan base. there for the Giants and for you guys in. the media, like what do you expect from. him this year? >> Well, it's interesting, AJ, because off. the se off the field in the offseason,

there was that complaint of, ah, he's. doing all this stuff. What's he doing? He's introducing the president, you. know, he's throwing footballs off of. yachts. He's, you know, hanging out at. the ESBs, all all this stuff. The. reality is the reason why Harbaugh loves. him so much is that when it's time to go. to football, he goes to football. I. think there are expectations for Jackson. Dart. Uh I wrote today just in terms of. where he needs to go in camp, he needs. to wing it. He needs to make mistakes. He needs to see what he needs to improve. on, you know, and I and I've dug up. research on quarterbacks like Aaron.

Rogers and Tom Brady and even going back. to Phil Sims. These guys said how you go. from good to great. And that's what. Jackson Dart wants to do. You can't be. afraid to make mistakes this time of. year in training camp. Try that throw. Try to test that receiver. Test that. corner that you may not do in a game, but you got to see if you can make it. today. He had one yesterday to Isaiah. likely. Corner was right on him. Likely. boxed him out, did his job, caught it, went for a 60-yard touchdown. I mean,

those are the plays that you either make. or you don't make in training camp, but. you can't put your head down and say, "Man, I'm going to start getting worse. if I start making mistakes in practice.". That's what it's for. >> Well, all right, let's make sure we're. covering these things properly then. because there's like ESPN Cleveland. that's like, "Hey, this guy was 12 22. through [laughter] picks, interceptions." It's like, well, hey, what was the wide receiver in the right. spot? Was there a different coverage? Were they trying something? Were they. attempting something? What was the. situation? Is this last play? So, who. cares if it's intercept? Like, there's. so many things that go into so many. practice reps. And in the world that.

we're in now, like it's hard not to. overreact to everything. So if Jackson. throws one into double coverage deep, the immediate reaction is like this. guy's regressing and seeing the field. like that is a part of the game now. You. know, like that is a very real thing and. you just have to hope that you're able. to be mentally tough enough to work. through that because I never forget when. Sherman got to the Niners, right? Sherman is working on like a new. leverage and he gets cooked and they're. like, "This guy's old. We wasted money. Get him out of here. What are we doing?". And it turns out, yeah, fine. >> Yeah, he was just fine. I think he was. all pro that next year. It's like we. certainly get excited and overreact, but.

it's your job, especially in North. Jersey, to make sure that it is reported. accurately. Tone has a question for you. about the wide out. >> Yeah. All right. It felt like the the. big news of the day yesterday coming out. of the first practice was Malik. Neighbors and how good he looked coming. off of that injury, especially coming. off of maybe the the videos that we saw. from the softball game this summer where. people were judging him very very. harshly. But great news yesterday with. Malik Neighbors on how well he looked. and what was the takeaway there? >> Yeah, no doubt. Uh, I mean, I think, you. know, it's kind of like that the the. Undertaker meme. You know, everybody had.

him in the casket. Now all of a sudden, Malik Neighbors gets up out of it and. he's running routes. Wait a minute, he's. actually cutting in the first day of. camp. Uh, I think it was a good sign. they didn't put him on the physically. unable to perform list just because they. want to see him with the team. He goes. on the pup list. He can't do anything. with the team. So, he's going to be in. individual drills. He's going to work. with the offense on air. No defense. Uh, but yeah, Malik Neighbors, I mean, everybody on this offense, it's Malik. Neighbors and everybody else. I mean, even, you know, the energy of Scat,

there's nobody to that level, a talent. level playmaker like they have with. Malik Neighbors. And I think this entire. team gets a lift seeing the way he was. moving yesterday. And it certainly. wasn't running out or not running out a. ground ball in Brian Burns's [laughter]. charity softball game back in May. >> Yeah. Well, it was kind of a limp out, but if he was out on that field, what I. felt, and I think AJ talked about this. as well, the amount of doctors and money. that is around him. So, a lot of people. are like, "He looks bad. Why is he out. there?" It's like, you know, how many. people had to approve for him to go out.

there and his teammates are there? So, his teammates don't want him to be hurt. either. So, it was like, I think the. reaction to the limp was certainly a. little bit overblown about this guy's. going to hurt himself in a charity. softball game because the amount of. money that's going to be invested in. this guy by the New York Giants. organization. Let's assume they're. keeping an eye out for it. But I am very. happy that he's back being healthy after. how terrible he looked in that softball. game. Because if that was the new. generation where yeah, we just walked to. a softball game look like [ __ ] and then. we actually do show up looking like. [ __ ] It's like that can't be the case. He's worked his ass off to get back. healthy. If we saw where he was at at. that softball game versus where he's at.

right now, the amount of work and pain. that's gone into that now. And also, what was it? Stiffness, right, Art? That. was the original problem was he had. stiffness after the first surgery with. scar tissue. >> Yeah, the scar tissue. You know, you. Pat, you know better than I do. AJ knows. better than I do. You know, when you get. into that rehab situation, they use. those bars to get the scar tissue out. and man, it it is painful. It is. grueling. I mean, it could become a dark. place. Yeah. When you don't feel like. you're getting out and being able to see. that next step. So, he had that scar. tissue removed again. They felt better.

And I'd really think and talking to. people even yesterday here, upper upper. management and everything else, it was. psychological for Malik. I mean, he was. in a rehab. You know, you got to. remember he got hurt in the first. quarter of Jackson Dart's first start. last year and then he was away from the. team because he's rehabbing the entire. time, surgery, everything else. That was. a mental hurdle at that softball game. Everybody saw it as a physical. situation. It was mental. He was with. his teams, you know, who's hitting home. runs. They're jumping around. celebrating. They need that. Like Malik.

needs that competition. He needed that. adrenaline boost. And I think he came. back the next week and looked at it and. said, "You know what? I can do this. Like I gotta get to that next step. I. gotta get back with my guys. And I think. that's why it was such a huge boost. >> So it wasn't just one run to first base. >> No. >> Or one limp to first base. >> No. >> That was a breakthrough. Lot going. >> That was uh in an enlightenment trip. down that first base line. And I'll say. this, if it was stiffness, we got heels. going to butt on those routes and also. knee drive happening, AJ. And also a.

couple like stall outs, which is the. worst thing for your knee in the middle. of those routes. So I feel like he feels. very good. And if the way the Giants. fans talk about Malik Neighbors is real, okay, cuz Shreger came on our show, what. last year and was like Terry McLaren. pretty good. Malik Neighbors, okay, is. the guy and the way you just talked. about like nobody on this field is. anywhere near as athletic as Malik. Neighbors. It's like I'm excited to. watch this guy blow up. I am. Especially. with him having to battle through some. injuries. Excited for him to get going.

Okay, last question here. Art, you. mentioned his name a little bit, but. it's not just him. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Art, what are the expectations for Cam. Scatabo this year? Obviously, everyone. saw him at the Fanatic Goofball Fest do. the backflip and not exactly land it. And, you know, maybe some people were. saying, "Hey, what's going on here? He's. not completely healthy. Why is he doing. that?" But, uh, how how do they they. kind of see this year going, especially. with the addition of Patrick Ricard. coming over. Like, what are the. expectations for that backfield as a. whole? >> They, you know, John Harbaugh, you know,

Greg Roman is here. He's not a. coordinator, but he is a senior. assistant. I mean, they want to run the. football first. They think Jackson Dart. can be most effective in that kind of. power running game. Uh, and Scataboo, you know, all the talk about Malik. yesterday, Scatteroo had a full practice. yesterday. The idea of this gruesome. ankle and lower leg injury from the. Philly game last year is really gone. I. mean, he looks 100%. He's the number one. back on this team. Now, will they do. some things on the back end? Maybe bring. in a veteran later on in camp. Uh maybe.

because Harbaugh wants to make sure that. he has enough pieces in that backfield. But Scataboo is definitely the guy. I. mean, you know, we're talking to Joe. Shane, general manager before practice. yesterday at at a nice press conference, state of the Giants, all this stuff, and. all of a sudden, you hear a guy. screaming the Ric Flair woo. >> Hold on, Art. Here you go. >> Office. >> There you go, Art. We got you, buddy. >> Perfect. It's like we plan this kind of. stuff, you know, but you guys are pros. Uh I I think Scatteraboo is definitely a.

big part of this team both emotionally. and uh we'll see how good he can be. He. was great for that four game stretch. until he got hurt in Philly and that. will obviously be that will obviously be. the situation. Can he stay healthy? >> What towns are in North Jersey? What do. you what is kind of your towns? You. know, not this town. Not any of my five. towns. >> What are the towns of North Jersey? All of North Jersey pack, come on. We go. from Pamis to Rochelle Park to Hackin.

Sack to East Rutherford, Carl Stat. We're all over Bergen County in North. Jersey. >> Okay. Cuz obviously I know the South. Jersey because of not only Jersey Shore, but like a lot from West West Virginia, New Jersey folks from there went to West. Virginia. So I know like you know the. Mana Squan area down there on the beach. and uh the shore, the Jersey Shore down. there. Obviously we've walked the. boardwalk a couple times. Got to do. that. I don't know. North Jersey much. though. I I don't know. >> Did you know James Gandalfini when he. was playing Tony Soprano said that Art. Stapleton was his favorite sports.

writer? >> That makes sense. >> That would make sense. >> Hey, that's true. Hey, you know what I. mean? [laughter] There metal up in the. Medallands. They say Jimmy Hoff is. buried somewhere. I know there's got to. be somebody buried down here in the. Greenbryer. [laughter]. I'm just not sure. >> Well, well, have you tried the. governor's favorite cookie? [laughter]. Remember that. >> Are you at the golf course? Have you. done? So, I've only been down to the. Greenbryer one time. Obviously, West. Virginia, there's different parts of the. state. Morgantown was is up almost near. and in between Ohio and Pennsylvania.

And then Charleston's down the south, which is obviously the capital. So, there is there's a lot of different. space. Greenbryer, uh, the casino was. good to us. I think I had shorts on. They gave me a rental pair of pants. Yep. >> Cuz I couldn't wear shorts into the. casino. They gave me a rental sports. coat to put over my shirt. Yeah. Got a. chance to golf with John Dailyaly. I. mean, we had a good like 24 hours down. there for sure. one at the casino. But. yeah, I'd assume there's a body in there. around, you know, somewhere. Everywhere. >> Yeah, exactly. >> It's above my pay grade though, Pat, right now. I mean, maybe you can help me.

out and hook me up and figure it out how. to get on the course down here. But the. one the one thing I hear though is that. outside the Greenbryer is everything as. advertised. Inside the decor of the. rooms that the players are staying in, one of the players put on social media, "It's like we're camping at grandma's. from 1980.". >> Yep. I remember. It's very interesting. They've kind of captured, you know, and. look, the Giants out of any franchise in. the league has always lived in their. past when things have gone bad. So, live.

in the past a little bit down here in. the Green Ber and we'll see what. happens. A good start for the New York. Giants. >> It is nostalgia city. I mean, every day, as soon as you walk in, the decorations, >> it feels very haunted. >> Yeah. What. >> it does? >> No, it feels royal. >> Royally, >> majestic. >> Does feel lived in. Yeah, >> does feel lived in the I have to wear. pants. Here, put these pants over your. shorts so I could go into the casino. The casino there was no wall. Everybody. in casino could see me standing where I. was at. They saw me put the rental pants. on. That was a fascinating time. Uh then.

the sport coat coming outside 70 I think. it was. >> It was awesome. I'm not judging. anything. Don't please don't do that. But it was uh it's a special place down. there. And the Giants, >> you know, maybe they win it all. Starting at the great fire. Maybe they. figure it out. You're the best. We. appreciate you, Art, ladies and. gentlemen. It's our stable team. >> [applause]. >> Thank you very much. >> Who all went down there? We uh. >> I was there. >> You were there? >> Were you there, Foxy? >> No. >> Oh, you were in Ireland, probably. >> No, [laughter] don't get me started. >> I don't think I got the invite. I'm. pretty sure I was working back at home.

editing something while you guys were. all out there. I don't think so. >> I don't think so. I think I think that's. what happened. >> You're probably on vacation. We're. talking about those days. >> Wait, that's weird cuz when I was in. Ireland, you were in Hawaii, I think. >> So, [laughter] I think we were probably. drinking ice cold beers and playing risk. all night. If you had to guess, >> it was a good time down there. It rained. so bad and uh we got a chance to go meet. the governor. That was the first time. >> Yeah. >> And then we ate his chocolate chip. cookies. >> I just remember JD's tour bus or. whatever the hell it was. >> What's that? >> John Dailyaly. >> Yeah, his tour bus. >> Yeah, we were on his bus or whatever. >> He had 18 or no, was that his house?

>> No, he had a tour bus. You could drink. uh I forget what his beer choice was, but you could either drink uh Miller. Light. >> Miller Light. There was 18 cases of. Miller Lightite or chocolate milk. >> I knew I remember we were great time. Yeah. had a great time. >> Griffin and Cippets. >> Oh, those were they was had coming out. of the good boys. >> Someone had a house on the golf course. that we went to. >> on the right side. Yeah, >> you had to go reload. Had to do it. They. had a good time down there. Green Bry is. a good place. Saints trained down there. for a lot. Never. Uh I don't know if I. would want to train in New Orleans ever. >> Too hot down in a B.

>> Yeah, they got up to Green Bryer. Also a. hot place. Okay, let's continue to go. camping, shall we? Live. NFL reporter for the entire league. Cowboys camp exclusive. covered the Rams. for four years, Chargers before that. Ladies and gentlemen, Lindsay Theory. >> Thanks for having me, guys. >> Lindsay, how's it going? We appreciate. the hell out of you joining us. Obviously on the Cowboys right now. You. were with the Rams, so we're going to. hit you on absolutely everything. Thank. you for joining us. Let's start with the. Cowboys. Uh Jerry Jones says, "Hey,

listen. If there is a wagon that's a better. wagon than the wagon that we currently. have, we will swap wagons so that our. wagon can get us to where we need to go. right now instead of the wagon of the. future. So, he basically said he's. willing to make a move. Everybody. reacted as if that was Max Crosby. I I. that was just a shocker to me. I did not. expect that. But whenever Jerry starts. talking like that, he's obviously. selling attention. He's selling. everything, but obviously everybody. thinks he's thinking big. What is kind. of the thoughts and uh how do you see. that all working out? Yeah, I love Jerry.

said he's like not going to stir things. up and then he's like, I'm willing to. give a top pick. We're going out there. for somebody. Look, I I mean the obvious. choice right now, they once had. interest. We're very interested in Max. Crosby. Jerry made very clear that Max. Cros Crosby's happily a Raider. He's a. total Raider. Like Jerry was very. cautious on the tampering front, but. this would make sense. I was with the. Raiders during the draft and I do recall. them talking out there, John Spyc saying. and telling me like we have a lot of.

guys on the edge and they might not all. be here come the start of the season. So. like that perked my ears up obviously. right now I saw Max when he was out. there he said he's happy he's glad to be. there. Happy to be a Raider. Um but that. would be kind of the first inclination. of like maybe that's where Jerry's. looking again. But uh Jerry's made it. very clear he's open for business. He's. tired of trying to win a trade for today. and for tomorrow. He's watching what all. these other teams are doing and he he. just says he doesn't want milk toast. anymore. And I personally I don't know.

what milk toast is but uh he says he. wants like win for today. >> Yeah, plain. I think I think plain flat. boring. We we can context clue you could. kind of figure it out. >> Yeah, context clue. >> You could figure it out. But I I think. he he could have used other, >> you know, more Jerry Jones like ways of. describing that. That'd be like an Egg. McMuffin with no salt. Yeah. [laughter]. >> You know, like uh we learned that from. him. And then who who was the company. that he had make up? >> Water Burger. >> Yeah, man. They said I love those Egg. McMuffins, but everybody ask anybody.

>> Waterburger. [laughter] He's the real. burger that I love. Jerry's always. working and uh he keeps things obviously. incredibly exciting. Is it the right. move to make uh your team Super Bowl. relevant or just relevant is what. everybody asks. You know, like that is. always the question until they win. again. I think Jerry would like to get. that off his back. I think Jared would. like to win one obviously. Go ahead, AJ. >> Yeah, Lindsay. As far as the defense. goes there in Dallas, I know defensive. coordinator Christian Parker is excited. to to get Caleb DS in there. Obviously, first round pick. We haven't heard a ton.

about that defense and about Caleb. What. do you think, uh, I guess from what are. you hearing what his role is going to be. and how involved he will be in this. defense? >> Yeah, I mean, they're going to try and. get him out there as soon as possible. And when it comes to Christian Parker, uh, I know Brian Shanheimber has gone on. and on about how impressed they have. been with him. Obviously, he comes. through the Vic Fangio tree. He has. learned with Vance Joseph. And what. they're really kind of emphasizing that. he is taking things that he has learned. from Vic, things he's learned from. Vance, but he's really being who he. wants to be as a DC and implementing.

what he thinks is best while sprinkling. in from those other guys. Obviously, they're very excited about Caleb DS and. we can bring there's only been one day. of practice. Uh, so we weren't really. able to see too much of what was going. on with how they're going to implement. the rookie, but he's certainly in the. early plans for those guys. The grass is. disgusting. [laughter] I'm watching I'm. watching that tape. Did you see it, AJ? Have you seen it? First day of camp. >> Yeah. First day of camp. That's a tough. look. >> The first day of camp, they just got. like brine dirt just kind of out there. on the field. I'm like that. This is the. Cowboys cuz he had a nice stage.

Remember where he was talking from? Nice. stage was built up. You know, he's in. the middle of that thing. We're right. next to a housing complex in a parking. lot. You all sit on a cement place. I. got a stage for me to go and tell you. that I'm gonna go make a play. I like. that. And you think of Jerry, you think. everything's big. And then we look at. this practice. It's just like that feels. [ __ ] That's day one. That's day one. right there. That that is not what. training camp grass NFL greens keep like. that is not what it look. I was very I. was dumbfounded by how [laughter] shitty. the grass was. Were you not AJ as well?

I I was. >> You know, they might have some. restrictions on how much water they're. allowed to use. You know, we've had. places where like, hey, take a 2-minute. shower because we're trying to conserve. water. >> Yeah, you're right. I didn't even think. about that. There is a chance that this. is a water conservation, right? I mean, cuz some of the clips I'm like, gez, this is a high school. This is the NFL. Remember, these guys are like worth the. worth the change, worth the switch. >> No, on that note, let's get do training. camp on some dirt slab out there. I. mean, it is. >> But hey, Cowboys this year a little.

grittier. >> That's right. >> A little grittier, a little bit more. jam. Okay, let's pivot away from the. Cowboys. Obviously, four years covering. the Rams. We appreciate you for doing. that. Tone has a question about them. >> Yeah, Lindsay, I'm going to read this. because I want to get it right. Ian. Rapaort said um more likely to be a. discussion for next off seasonason when. uh when in regards with Tupuka Nakua uh. and his contract and and what he's going. to do and maybe play out this season not. on a new contract and deal with it in. the offseason. What are your thoughts on. that? What with your time with the Rams? What did you hear with that and and what. do you think will be eventually when. will Puka's uh contract get done?

>> Yeah, I I would tend to think it'd be. more of a next off season thing like the. Rams love Puka Nua. Sean McVey has made. very clear through all of this that he. is so supportive of Puka. I mean, he's. been nothing but like a bright light, like truly for this team since he. arrived. He's got a really infectious. personality. Obviously, concerns, right, with everything that came up in the. offseason with Puka. Uh, that has never. impacted I I mean, Sean was adamant. Obviously, we watched what Puka did in. the playoffs. It didn't impact his play. on the field. We know what kind of.

receiver he is. They just want to make. sure off the field that he is doing. everything that you would expect of a. guy that you're about to make the uh. highest paid receiver in the league. Uh. so Puka has some proving to do like they. very much have given are given him the. benefit of the doubt that he can do that. and they want him to be around for the. long term. They just need to make sure. like that that is the most savvy and. sage business decision they can make. with before they give him that kind of. money. Puka and McVey very tight and I. think Puka has a lot of trust in uh the.

organization. The organization has a lot. of trust in Puka and uh they've kind of. been sidestepped along the entire way. That's a tough thing to get dropped into. the limelight, be the best wide receiver. in football, be single in Los Angeles. with a lot of opportunity and a guy who. is uh upbeat, open, and friendly to. everybody. So, you can kind of see how. there's a lot of to the recipe there for. maybe losing a little bit of focus on. the the main thing. I like that they. course corrected a lot. I like that he. was uh I don't want to say u.

smart enough because it's not really. smart. It's like putting your ego aside. type thing to say like, "Hey, I need to, you know, I need to lock in a little bit. here." I think he realized that. I think. the Rams helped him realize that. I. think that's a special relationship long. term. We're talking about 10 years from. now. Hopefully. That's obviously how we. feel. And we love it. It doesn't feel. like lost his juice at all either. Here's Puka talking yesterday about him. and Dvonte Adams. I think there's some. where he felt like when we ca and he. came into this uh the wide receiver room. that the the physicality I think that we. play with obviously he's going into year.

40 or whatever it [laughter] might be. but. >> so he didn't lose juice. He hasn't lost. his happiness it seems like. So we're. happy about that. We'll see how the. season goes. They got the Avengers over. there especially if Aaron Donald comes. back. We've beaten that completely dry. So we're going to pivot away from that. We're going to go to the other LA team. Go ahead Ty. >> Yeah Lindsay I know that you have. covered the Chargers in the past as. well. From what you're hearing, what has. the dynamic uh been like between Jim. Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel? Because on. the surface, that just seems like. something that would never work. Uh.

Harbaugh seems like he would absolutely. hate McDaniel's guts, but we've seen. clips coming out and, you know, they. seem pretty jovial and they're joking. with each other. What have you heard. about uh these two, >> you guys? It is like it's truly crazy. when you think of these two guys. the. guy who wears the same outfit every. single day and the guy who just will put. together the most eclectic look you. think you've ever seen. I Jim Harv has. done nothing but talk about how. brilliant Mike McDaniel is. Uh so I so. far so good. I mean it just like you.

said the styles of the two don't seem. like they would go at all but Mike. McDaniel has found his way in with. Justin Herbert. Obviously that's the key. to this entire offense in LA for the. Chargers. Uh, so I I think it's gonna be. really fun to like monitor the social. media videos between these two, but so. far it's like the complete opposites. attract apparently, but uh and when you. talk to Jim Harbaugh about Mike. McDaniel, I'm just kind of waiting for. these anecdotes of like the weirdness. taking part behind the scenes. Um, and. I'm sure there's not going to be any.

shortage, but so far he just goes on and. on and on about how brilliant Mike is. >> Well, congratulations on a phenomenal. career at ESPN as it continues to grow. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. That's ESPN and NFL national reporter. Lindseay Theory. [applause]. >> I am excited for McDaniel and Harbaugh. clips. You know, you you had a little. bit of an interesting reaction. immediately to the clip that we just. watched with Harbaugh and McDaniel. Do. do you recall what your immediate. reaction was whenever you saw it, Ty? >> Yeah, I don't really like Mike McDaniel. I don't know why. Uh [laughter] I just I.

I don't think he's funny. I don't think, you know, everyone thinks everything. >> AJ, [laughter] I'm telling you, AJ, we. showed that video and I was like, yes, I. love what we're getting in time. >> They love ball. Two guys love ball. >> Love ball. >> I'm not disputing that. Just cuz he. loves football. Doesn't mean I got to. like the guy. And I don't. So, you know, I would like to see Justin Herbert. thrive under him, but. >> I would also maybe like to see Harbaugh. give him a wedgie and hang him on the. back of a door or something. >> Yeah, it was a great reaction out of. Tai. I appreciate it. And I think.

there's people that feel that way about. him, but I do think he is a super. genius. I think he's hilarious. He's. been very kind to us whenever he stopped. by a couple times. But him and Harbaugh. should be a special pairing just for the. season as a whole. Uh I can't wait to. follow it. Let's continue to go camping, shall we? Ladies and gentlemen, a former. general manager of the New York Jets and. the Miami Dolphins EVP. He was founder. of the 33rd team, which is. >> North Carolina football. >> No, they're not going by that anymore. >> Oh, they're not? >> No. >> Are you sure? It's probably smart. Did. they come out and see?

>> Are you wearing that shirt? Is that a. >> You know what? Until we get the full. breath of what's going on down there, I'm not going to publicly, you know, I. [laughter] just But yes, >> I don't think anything besides Nike. >> Great. Joining us now, ladies and. gentlemen, ESPN legend Mike Tannon Ball. >> 33rd team, not the UNCC Tar Hills. We. appreciate you joining us, Mike. How are. you doing, brother? Camp season's. around. I'm assuming you are just like. us. Get a little bit antsy.

>> Yeah, great time here. Good to be with. you guys. Lots of uh good stories. already. >> Okay, so we just chatted about the. Chargers with Harbaugh and McDaniel, obviously their relationship. We. chitchated about the Rams with Puka, you. know, and his contract next year. Everybody being understood there. Aaron. Donald, until he signs back, I don't. think there's much to say for you. Big. storyline of camp. Is it Travis Kelce. looking fast? I don't know if you saw. that. Travis Kelce is looking quick. He's coming out of routes. He's shaking. He's baking. Patrick Mahomes is hitting. him in stride. They look like they're. all the way back. Is this a story line.

for you, the story line for you, or is. there something else, Mike? >> Yeah, I would start. We could go with. Kansas City. For them to have a chance. this year, Travis Kelce has to turn back. the clock, Pat, because when you look. outside, Rasheed Rice, obviously, we. know he's in with an injury, incarceration, and Xavier Worthy hasn't. worked out. They don't have the. firepower they once had. So, this is. going to look more like Travis Kelce. And look, they're going to run the ball. with Kenneth Walker. That's how they're. going to have to win this division. because I do like the Chargers. I like. the Broncos to score points. So, I don't.

think this is the same old Kansas City. Chiefs. And I've been around. quarterbacks coming off of an ACL. This. is his left knee. I think it's going to. take some time. I think he'll be. Superman again, but I don't think. Patrick Mahomes will be the same. quarterback from day one. So, I think. they can win. I think it's just going to. look a little bit different, especially. early in the season. >> You remember their last Super Bowl run. was a lot of running, you know, a lot of. defense, a lot of running. And I think. Patrick Mahomes was willing to adapt. I. think last year he was excited to run. people over. I think he thought he had. to run people over and he's even.

admitted that he can't be doing that. So. the evolution, he's so young and he's. already a Hall of Famer and he's already. in the GOAT conversation. I think they. can continue to be special. And once. again, I'd like to reiterate there's a. tight team over there, I believe. Let's. talk about a tight team. You know, it's. making a lot of big-time decisions. Let's go to Cleveland, Ohio. Go ahead, Tone. >> Yeah, Mike T. Can you maybe try to take. us inside the Cleveland Browns. organization? Obviously, Andrew Barry's. the GM there. He's was the GM when they. brought in Deshun Watson. Maybe that. wasn't his decision decision or not. Maybe that came from the owner, but he.

did do it. And then Todd Monin as the. new head coach. He tried to draft Shadur. Sanders to Baltimore. Now he's the head. coach here. H what are they dealing. with? Cuz they are paying Deshun Watson. a ton of money and then they have Shadur. Sanders who is this young quarterback. who's exciting and did win a couple. games from last year. How do you think. that's going uh in that situation and. who do you think potentially comes out. of it? Yeah, it's a no-brainer. You got to go. with Chador Sanders. And part of the. privilege of being. >> 230 million tannon bomb, you're telling. me if that guy can stand on a football.

field, they're not going to put him out. there. >> Pat, one of your responsibilities is you. have to admit when you're wrong. And. look, as a GM, I have plenty of practice. of doing that. You got to cut your. losses. Like this guy could walk on. water and lead him to a Super Bowl. They're not going to extend them. And if. I'm Todd Mon, I got to know what I have. in Shadore. Shador physically has all. the measurables you want, has a good. arm. Look, last year was a disaster. That wasn't his fault. I'm intrigued. I. thought there was enough good tape you. saw in Colorado that he can make all the.

throws. He could process well. I I don't. think he's a great athlete, but I think. he's a good enough athlete. We got to. see what we have in him because if we. can win whatever it is, 8 to 12 games. with him, that could change our plan. going forward. There's no way Deshawn. Watson is part of this organization in. 2027. We got to cut our losses, admit. our mistake, and move on. >> We are a uh pro-shador show. I think we. have been even whenever, you know, the. stats didn't necessarily look like it. Soon as he got on the field for the. Browns, they had a spark. They look they.

were winning games. You know, I don't. want the Browns to do classic Browns. stuff, which is like Baker Mayfield won. for us, but we didn't we didn't like it. We didn't like how it was. It's like. sure was winning for you guys. Now, do. you have to go back in the past because. of the mistake that you made given the. largest guaranteed contract in the. history of sports and give him an. opportunity? I would assume yes, you. know, but a Mike Ty who has been a. general manager before and has been in. these buildings says, "Nope, get them. that. Cut your losses. Get them out of. there now." How much do you owe him? 90. million. Sick. Yeah. >> Sweet. Go do it on the street somewhere.

Don't do it here. I like Shadore's. chances. I like We saw Shador. He looked. he looked fit. >> Yeah, he looked in good shape. >> Shador looked like he was in great. shape. Obviously, he's saying he's from. Cleveland. I think he wants the job. I'm. pumped to see if the Cleveland Browns. can find somebody. >> He was uh leading as well yesterday. Uh. there was footage that hit the internet. Uh him he stayed after practice with the. rookie quarterback from Arkansas, Taylor. Green, was working with him and work. like trying to help him out too. So, you. know, he maybe he's trying to take that. number one role as well as far as like. off the field as well. >> Since day one, like literally before the. draft, he was in town doing philanthropy.

stuff. So, he knows the deal of how to. be a pro. I think they're growing into. it. We'll see. The Cleveland Browns. Okay, last question here from Tai for. you, Tan Bomb. >> Yeah, Mike. You saw that Caleb Williams. showed up in better shape this year and. um you know a lot of the conversation. last year was hey he's just not quite. good enough and that's why the Bears. maybe can't get over the hump but then. we saw a lot of his you know lateg game. heroics down the stretch and into the. playoffs. Do you think this year being. another year under Ben Johnson that. Caleb is going to kind of make that jump. and maybe be an MVP conversation because.

it seems a lot of people seem to think. that that is going to be the case. Hey. Ty, first of all, I agree with you about. Mike McDaniel. I don't like him either. I can't stand his metabolism. I would. give anything for Mike McDaniel's. [laughter] metabolism. So, we're totally. aligned there as it relates to Taylor. Williams. [laughter]. >> We got one that's Foxy. Hold on. Hey, we. hate this guy, too. Foxy. This guy's a. model. He's an H&M model. >> I look at a carb and put on weight. I. would get [laughter] anything for that. metabolism. [gasps].

But look, I think to be an elite. quarterback, you have to be able to. throw at a much higher completion. percentage. I think Caleb Williams has a. chance to be a superstar, but when. you're under 60%, which he was last. year, that is a concern. So, I work with. Ben Johnson. I think he'll get there. But I would take Jordan Love in that. Packer offense over this offense. He's. got to learn how to get the ball out of. his hands, hit the check down, hit the. singles and doubles, and then go make. plays like that that very few people. can. So, I think it's a step in the.

right direction, but I I don't think I. think there's they're a year away from. being a year away. >> Come on. Come on. >> A year away from being a year away, which then inevitably leads, guess what, to being a year away. Yeah, that's why. you sounds like you think they're uh. hunting some fool's gold. Well, here, how about some uh stats and facts here. from Caleb that maybe you need to hear. because of your little carb issue you. got. >> How to eat um and things like that. uh. lost some weight. So, it's it's good.

I'm excited about that. Be able to move. a little bit better, be a you know, be. smoother. Um um you know, all these all. these different things. Uh just being. able to also bring that into the. facility uh with the strim staff and. things like that. Things I've done, uh. things that work well with me and being. able to um adjust and and and be better. for the season. >> How much did you lose? >> Uh 10 10 to 15 something like that. >> How'd you do it? >> Uh yeah, eating at certain times. um going to bed.

and not eating after 7 and you know just. eating consistently eating well. >> Huh. Think about it Tannon Bomb. >> Yeah. So look, we know that Mike. McDaniel and Caleb Williams has been. hanging out in the offseason. That's. what we were working. [laughter]. >> That could help, ladies and gentlemen. That's Mike Tannon. Thank you. >> Mike, >> I like that he just uh the follow-up. questions there from Chicago media. How. much weight you lose, huh? I've been. looking to do that myself. 10 to 15. How'd you do it? Well, I stopped eating. after seven. You know, good sleep. Yeah. Intermittent fasting. That's a real cut. there. Yeah, >> cuz he he suffers from the same thing I.

think I do. AJ will say he suffers from. it, too. But he's just been able to. >> I love pizza. >> Yeah, man. I do it. Late night. Late. night. Sweet tooth. Late night. Sweet. tooth for me is problematic. I mean, it. is. >> we're on uh Delta yesterday and no uh it. was uh Spirit. Uh whatever. >> Frontier. >> Whatever. They had Snickers. They had. Snickers available. >> Yeah, right, dude. A little bit tired. Yep. >> This is right here staring at me. I'm. going have one. And then just like.

Pringle says, once you pop that thing, can't stop it. Caleb has a similar. problem. We need to shut it off. I think. that's what we need to do. Hard shut off. at a certain time. No matter how tired. you are, no matter how much longer. you're going to be awake, no matter how. much access you have the Reese's as. well. And then, oh my god, you put a little apple pie. out there. >> And then what is there? Double stuffed. Oreos, Richmond. I'm sure there are. Definitely. [snorts]. >> Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

>> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> And all all of a sudden it's 10:00 and. you just had 4,000 calories and it's. like, whoa, my god. I'm sure I'm not. >> You mention your little drumsticks that. you've been getting. >> Oh, the miniature drumsticks with the. miniature Snickers. And then all of a. sudden, you wake up 4:00 a.m. >> and your body is trying to have a mass. exodus and it's like, "What did I do?". Oh, yeah. That's what happened late. night last night. So, I'm happy Caleb. was able to address that. Move on. because he's still young enough. If you. didn't look fat last year, obviously, but at some point your metabolism does. kind of slowed down. You start hating.

other people. It's like if you can get a. hold of that and kind of find your. routine, you can do that for the rest of. your life. It's a lot of commitment, though. AJ, how long you've been locked. in on what you're doing right now? And I. know you have cheat days, yada yada. yada. But has this been like your whole. life? Like high school, you're locked in. this? >> Yeah, like towards the end of high. school, I Yeah, I the guy that ran EAS, I watched a thing with him and so I. started to pay attention to how I was. eating. Yeah. >> Yeah. AJ, >> I like going with the late night jams. instead of some sweets. >> That's been very helpful. >> I I plow right through a box. Four of. them. [laughter] Four of those.

>> And wait until the grapes come. Wait. until the the grapes are right around. the corner. >> The grape is unbelievable. The grape. jams that's coming is unbelievable. We. just have strawberry and berry mix right. now. Uh Walmart and Target. The grape. one coming around the corner is a late. night sweet tooth problem, I would say. need to maybe make these things have. like some sort of equation, you know, like a blow and go that he. >> There you go. >> Speaking of. >> Yeah, let him off.

>> No way. >> He was going to see his grandparents. >> Well, so could have been their head. You. know, you never know. People are very. >> can't go see go to the cemetery, see. your grandma and grandpa anymore. >> Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is. a man who might have more information on. all of it. He is in the middle of his. training camp tour and we appreciate him. for that. Currently live with the. Philadelphia Eagles. Junior NFL insider. for ESPN, senior NFL insider for NFL. Network, Ian Rapore. >> Hey, [applause]. what's up? What's going on?

>> Okay, you know this better than us. He. did a full warm-up routine for the. sobriety test. I've never seen that. You. want these You want these slides on or. off? I'll take whatever you want. I'll. take them off. Excuse me. I got to. >> You're [laughter] just real quick. >> I mean, >> it's pretty amazing. >> Hold on, please. Yeah, >> no problem. >> I'm only using two points of contact. right now. [laughter]. >> Do you think that anybody that is under.

the influence would be able to do this. one? I don't think so. All right. >> Rap is the insider to ask about that. pass. >> All right. >> What? >> Where do you need me to go? >> What do you mean? >> Right down here. >> Uh, listen. >> Oh my god. [laughter] Oh, >> you know, he said he said grandma, papa, >> theoretically, you could call I'm I. don't know what was true or I have not I. do not have sources on this, but you. could say grandma and papa about your. parents like you have kids, you know, like you could theoretically I might say.

to my kids like we're going to see. grandma and papa and it means not mine. but theirs. >> Yeah. And you're talking to your kids. there, not the police. But I I do. >> talking about his four iron though. >> Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah, cuz he. might have left his iron in a in a pond. >> Got did he shoot? He He shot like a 100. or something. >> 35 over. Yeah, but that's a four day. It. was a tough course. >> It was 11 over on the final round. >> Yeah. And then plus three was the. winner. So why don't you just have a. little bit on that note? Hey, Tony. >> Cars forever. >> Love you, Tony. >> We're done with it. You get a driver. We're done with it all. We're done. Tony, just don't even we don't even need.

to see you in that particular situation. We don't need any negative thoughts. about Tony Ramo. No. >> Tony Ramo in that video. Tony Rammo in. the booth. Tony Ramo on the golf course. Tony Ramo on our show. you like, let's. just get you a driver and let's not even. have to have these conversations. It's. 2026. We would like to reiterate that to. everybody. It's 2026. Get yourself a. driver. Live your life. Live your life. But also, let's not be stupid in this. entire thing. Okay. We just talked about. a lot of things happening around the NFL. uh with all of our beat reporters and. also Tannon Bomb joined us. He has a.

little bit of a hatred for McDaniel. because McDaniel's in shape. So, I don't. think that's necessarily the biggest. storyline, but for you, what are you. your boots on the ground in Philadelphia. doing a training camp tour? What are you. learning and what are the vibes over. there without AJ Brown? What's not being. talked about enough maybe with. Philadelphia? >> Well, first of all, the no AJ Brown is. certainly different. I mean, we've. talked about AJ Brown as it relates to. the Philadelphia Eagles for two years. and here it's like it's just much. quieter. Like, there's always noise. around the Eagles. we, you know, in the.

news world always are going to talk. about them, but it's not the same. It's. not like a, you know, AJ said this. today, how do you react? It is for sure. much quieter. But this is an interesting. Eagles team. Like Tanom was talking. about the Packers offense that that he. likes, right? Um, this organization. wanted to be in a new direction, wanted. to run the ball a little better, wanted. to have better answers for a defense. So. when they were looking for an offensive. coordinator, they sought out this system.

and they ended up with Shawn Manion who. is 34, was a backup quarterback like. three years ago or so and is really one. of the like upand cominging minds in the. NFL who installed a version of that here. and they are really excited about it. Sounds like the quarterback is really. excited about it. Um, and it's just like. for the first time a fully new system. here with what they hope is a better way. to answer what defenses throw at them. >> Well, and also everybody all in, you.

know, nobody else that was there was. really making uh, you know, public, hey, I'm not happy situation. So, AJ Brown. finds happiness hopefully up with Drake. May and the varel uh, era of the. Patriots. And in Philadelphia, everybody. kind of knows exactly who they are to. the team, right? We know exactly who we. are. We know exactly what we are and uh, we just got to get back to it. I like. that they're all in. I like that. Jaylen's all in, but Jaylen knows he's. he's taking a lot of [ __ ] right now. You. know, that fall off last year, Pulo got. blamed for a lot. Jaylen got blamed for. a lot, especially with AJ. From anything. we've learned about Jaylen, he's going. to want to write that, right? Is that.

kind of how it goes? Let's stay in. Philadelphia. Go ahead, Ty. >> Yeah, rap sheet. After Jaylen Carter's. massive deal, what kind of implications, if any, are there now with Quinan. Mitchell and Cooper Deene potentially. getting extensions because obviously. those guys have been unbelievable for. them and they are going to be up here. soon. Yeah, I mean I would say this year I. mean obviously Jayen Carter was you know. certainly the biggest. There's a couple. other guys theoretically they could. extend this year. Morojama who is a.

interior defensive lineman really really. good. Um you know I don't know if they. dedicate that much money to one position. but you know maybe someone they might. take a look at. Um, but I think those. guys would be more next off seasonason, but like the Eagles have the kind of. problems you always hope to have, which. is a bunch of really good young players. who are going to want huge salaries. because they deserve it. And so, you. know, if you're the Eagles and you're. going to pay those guys, not this off. seasonason, but probably uh probably.

next off season or potentially, then. it's like you have to draft well and you. have to do a really good job of finding, you know, really cheap deals of guys to. contribute. Like Reek Woolen, who's a. really talented player, came to Philly. on a one-year prove it deal. That's. probably below what he should be. getting. And like if he becomes a. big-time contributor, like that's how. these teams get good and stay good by. finding those really good values. And if. Reek will get a deal here or somewhere. else, like that's that's okay, you know,

that's okay. Then they'll pay the the. corners they drafted essentially. >> Yeah, it's a ever changing roster for. everybody, you know, trying to figure. out who gets money, who doesn't get. money. You give Jaylen Carter that deal, which we are incredibly pumped for. Obviously, others are going to have to, you know, kind of take for it. Are they. getting blamed for all this? People. aren't allowed to be on T. And is there. an actual salary cap in other businesses. too or just like a professional sports? >> A good question. >> because that gets brought up a lot. It. feels. >> Listen, I don't know if you know this, but when things don't go great,

>> it's the guys who are at the top, the. high salary guys, and also those in. charge who take the blame. Now, in. Philly, Jaylen Herz is the guy taking. the blame no matter what. was an. offensive coordinator issue. >> You know, he's the one who stands up. there and has to answer for it. In other. businesses, the guy who stands up there. with the microphone, I'm not naming any. names, but those are the guys who get. blamed. A lot of times it's not fair, but those are the guys that get blame.

[clears throat]. >> Yeah. Thank you, Rap, for breaking that. down. Thought like uh cuz you're a. pretty shallow individual. You know, he's not very tall. You know, you guys. say that was a pretty deep you were it. felt like you were really talking deep. there. >> Rap. Okay. uh rap. The Eagles got 10. fewer edge sacks in 2025 than they did. in 2024. Obviously, Fanio won't answer. any of our questions, which is. outrageous. But, uh, AJ has a question. about that. >> Yeah, Rapid, obviously, Jonathan Grard, he's on the the PUP. I know they they. paid him a bunch of money, traded for. him to bring him into town. What is the.

timet like? Have you heard anything. about when he could possibly back from. that pec injury? >> Yeah, it does not sound like it is a. major major pec injury. I haven't gotten. specifics there, but it doesn't seem. like it's the kind that we're like, all. right, you know, he's he's going to be. back in 4 months or so. I have not. sensed the kind of alarm um that you. might now, you know, Jonathan Gard's a. good player um and you hope that, you. know, he kind of bounces back and has. the kind of year he did a couple years. ago. You know, new place, new scheme,

probably, you know, what they hope is a. good fit for him. But look, sacks are. important obviously, but think about. where the money is in Philly. I mean, Gennard's making some money, but think. about where the money is. It's that. interior defensive tackle. I mean, you. got Jordan Davis and you got. >> um, you know, Jaylen Carter both making. a ton of money. Like, these guys are. going to be the ones counted on to. really be the disruptor. Sacks are. great, but like. >> the entire front is going to be counted. on to kind of make to make up for this.

and be more productive. I loved we put a. stat up from Hembo as you were talking. about, you know, hopefully he's like he. is a couple years ago because last year. the guy's sixth in the league basically. and uh pressures but obviously pressures. and being disruptive are all such a. judgmental thing but nonetheless him. getting hurt being on PUP I think. alarmed a lot of people because that. particular position going to need Jaylen. Carter gets money you assume they're. going to be able to handle it but you. know if the middle's pressing. >> you know this the can eat outside AJ. right in that you can eat outside you. got two good D tackles.

>> cuz they're scary. Yeah, I think it's a good setup for. fans. >> Rap sheet Rowan back in the day. >> Exactly. >> Yeah, he'll go. >> Creates opportunities for everybody. >> That's right. I'll take on two, three. Cox. Bingo. >> You guys just need to be one Coxman. I'll be a three Coxman, >> you know, and that's why you were all. bulked up cuz you were trying to be. three [ __ ] in that thing. Right. That's. right. Is that right? >> I was getting on the Caleb Williams. diet. Need that. >> No, you you. >> when you were rowing, you were fat. I. mean, you were very You were almost. bringing the boat down. Remember we saw. that photo?

>> No, I was jacked. No, the glasses were. trying to pop off your head. Remember. that? Cuz they were so tight in your. face was. >> The hat was really too tight. So it made. the rest of it. That was what it was. perspective thing. >> Yeah, but that was Max cuz you were all. juiced up too. You're on the uh you know. all the Balco stuff. >> Yeah, we remember all those. Hey, anything for the team. That's why you. were three [ __ ]. >> You're three Cocksman out there. And uh. anytime you could do that, it's. obviously spectacular. Yesterday you. were in a nickel city, I do believe. Go. ahead, Tone. >> Yeah, Rap. You were up at Bills Camp. uh.

wearing or holding a normal size. umbrella. It looked huge though cuz you. were holding it. Uh what was. >> So rude. So rude. Vco looks great too. Got a good power stance. >> What was the uh vibes up there? We saw. videos of Joe Brady. Looked like he was. in charge. Looked like he was was having. a good time. What's the vibes up there. for one of the uh NFL or sorry AFC. favorites? >> Uh first of all, I offered Boyco the. umbrella and he goes like people can't. see me with an umbrella. I'm like people. know that you're soft. He's like no I'm. good. >> I like that. By the way, I like that cuz.

people do the same for me with an. umbrella and I'm like, "Please, are we. kidding?" Water. We're going to Little. drops of water are going to be the. problem. It. >> was cold. My shoes were wet. It was. rough. >> Your makeup, your hair was done. >> It was. >> You got a penic. >> I made it. I actually I made it through. I I talk about perseverance. I stayed. till the end of practice. >> It's pretty good. >> Hey, Junior might become senior someday. You keep fighting through this. adversity. >> We appreciate that. Joe Brady obviously. in shorts eating it. you know, uh, the. trainers there. No, no, uh, hoodies on.

there in Buffalo. Obviously, they. respect it. Then let's cut to Ian again. Where's Ian at at this camp? Or does he. look like uh Oh, there he is. [laughter]. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah. Just setting the tone, Junior. I like it. I respect it. But. what were the vibes up there with Joe. Brad? >> Yeah. So, it's so interesting because, you know, I'm going around. I'm trying. to meet all a lot of the, you know, new. coaches, uh, and just, you know, kind of. see what they're all about, see what's. going on. This is a weird different. situation cuz the team is already good. like this team is good every year and so.

he's not like a a first year coach. taking over a team where he's got to. like get him to a place like they're. there. They need to be like a couple. plays better. So, a couple interesting. things from this one. One, like a lot of. juice from Joe Brady, >> right? Like I remember talking to people. who worked with them at LSU and I was. like, are you surprised he's the head. coach in the NFL? It's like no. Like. they are not. they've thought he was. head coach material even as like a young. pass game coordinator at LSU just. because he's he's pretty dynamic, right? And so, um, I think the players like.

that, they have kind of bought into the. new energy. Then the other thing that. and this surprised me a little bit was. when they did the coaching search, you. know, you you talk to coordinators who. are you're interviewing, but also you. try to get intel on yourself and some of. the feedback the Bills got about. themselves was on defense. they were way. too predictable and like honestly if you. think about it biggest plays like their. defense would sometimes it just wasn't. quite good enough and hiring Jim Leonard.

they think is going to change that he's. another really good bright bright young. mind liked a lot of what he was having. to say so I would say some pretty good. positive vibes in not Buffalo but. Rochester. >> Bean Boyco Brady Leonard that's a young. >> oh yeah. >> and putting Boyco in there is hilarious. >> boy's not he's not that young. >> Boyco, I I do like the way you're. talking about Boyco because we all kind. of feel the same way, but [laughter]. you know, like Boyco, one of the good. ones for sure. Certainly one of the good.

ones, but you know what you're getting. into whenever you sign up to have a. conversation. You know, you know what. you're kind of getting into and and we. respect and appreciate that. We. genuinely do. Uh did you hear what Baker. Mayfield had to say down in Tampa Bay? He he he's he spoke for three and a half. minutes. We were going to have it be. like our gone camping thing. Let's go to. Tampa Bay and we'll talk we'll ask Baker. Mayfield like, "Hey, how do you feel. about your contract situation? How do. you feel about Vita's contract. situation? How do you feel about the. Bucks last year? How do you feel about. the Bucks coming into the season? What. do you think the future looks like?" Cuz. he answered all those in one. And.

basically, he wants VA to get paid. Obviously, he'd like to see that. He. felt disrespected by what Fowler would. go on to report as a two-year deal. Obviously, nowhere near the $50 million. a year club, which is where a lot of. quarterbacks are sitting out right now, right? >> And Baker, obviously, this is his first. real home. like this is his first real. place that has called him home. He. understands what's happening behind the. scenes. They leave. Mike Evans ends up. leaving. Levante David retires. He said. he set a deadline. They whatever maybe. didn't think it was real. So he he did. say he was disappointed. He did say he.

felt disrespected, but he did say I'm. going out. I'm all bald here. I'm going. to do this. Feels like he's thinking. about maybe next stop while utilizing. this year as a chance to play his best. football. what are what should we take. from everything he said which was uh he. also mentioned last year a lot of new. guys were thrown into the fire so that. was him trying to say we had a lot of. injuries okay last year we end up. playing very well we got those guys back. he addressed everything how should we. look at what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. are right now with Va requesting a trade. Baker Mayfield feels disrespected. Levante David's retired and Mike Evans.

is a San Francisco 49er feels. interesting down there right now. >> interesting is right first of all I love. Baker I mean he's he's the best I just. I'm about to finish the Netflix. quarterback doc. He's a big part of it. And if for those who have not seen it, you will probably like Baker Mayfield. even more than you already do, just. based on his trash talking. Like just. does not give. I mean, >> he better come. >> You better come correct. [laughter]. >> You better come. >> He's the best. >> That's right. >> You know, it's so I sort of thought. >> that's you AJ. You're going to talk [ __ ].

on Baker. You better come correct. >> I'm not talking to him. >> Nobody should at all. Nobody should. >> You didn't talk on the field. >> I'll say nice things. No. Does he talk on this show? No. [laughter]. >> Some people Some people are born for. that. Some people are born with that, Ian. >> Yeah. I'm sure AJ would pop into a fight. though and grab and do a little face. washing. He was he was certainly a lot. of. >> I'll help with teammates. You always. help your teammates. Yeah. But I don't. not verbally, just physically. >> Yeah. He actually was doing the Fouchy. plead the fifth on the field. Actually,

that's what AJ was doing. Not answering. anything. >> Crazy. >> Oh man. I would I feel like I would have. been I really miss my calling as a kind. of like third party heckler trash talker. and not the guy in the middle but the. guy right on the edge you'd be like. that's right yep like that guy. >> what would you say would you just say. yeah that's right or would like let's. say AJ and you were you AJ was kind of. get into what would you say to AJ as you. were on the outside maybe to instigate a. little bit of a I think what they would. call you is a pilot fish by the way a. little fish. >> then he's going to see me then he's. going to see me and pummel me and in.

real life I don't need to get when I if. I was like if I had a helmet in pad then. I could get pummeled but in real life I. don't [laughter] need AJ to pummel me. >> Okay. So you're saying you'd be too good. of a trash talker he'd get so upset he'd. fight you in public the next time he saw. you. You'd you'd be able to say. something that would get AJ so upset. that he'd remember the next time he sees. you he'd pummel you and beat you. That's. how good of a trash talker you are. >> That's what happened at Starbucks. >> I I feel like I'd be really good. >> Yeah. I mean Schulzy. >> how's this coffee ass? And then said. that's my dick grabbed him by the.

throat. Yeah. Immediately. [laughter]. >> Yeah. That was fantastic. I didn't drink. Starbucks for like a year. >> after that. >> Yeah, >> I like the quote a good grudge. Yeah, you guys are back. Yeah, like [laughter]. you're junior at ESPN now. You got to do. what you got to do. And Schultz is still. latteing out there. He's still cooking. Um but go back to the question. >> So So Baker Yeah. Yeah. So So listen, he. [laughter] he's mad. He's got a chip on. his shoulder. He doesn't care who knows. it. And you know, I think the team knew. that this was a risk. Like if you're not. going to come to a deal, like you knew.

he probably wouldn't take a two-year. deal without money this year. Like it. was really just a future deal. Like it. it wasn't really a raise for 2026. You. knew there was a chance he wouldn't take. it. I believed his deadline was real and. it certainly seems to be because he. doesn't mess around. And so now you get. an angry Baker Mayfield. But here's kind. of Well, first of all, that's not bad. he has played well in this situation. where he feels like everyone's out to. get he wants to prove it but I've been.

interested that they haven't made a new. contract for VA beyond this year nothing. for Baker beyond this year like it. certainly seems like in this. organization it's like we are going to. go out this year play as well as. possible and then figure it out. afterward and that you know usually you. see teams invest in the future that. doesn't seem like it's happened as much. here as you might think. >> Yeah. I mean, move on. Let Mike Evans. out of the building. You're trying to. win the Super Bowl this year, you know. >> Yeah. >> Uh that that seems like the right play.

But hey, listen, Light's been a good GM, so they got a lot of faith and trust in. [clears throat] him. I think we should. probably do the same. But I uh I I. >> And their roster's good. They're. talented. They really are. >> And I appreciate that they want to win. the ESPN Super Bowl, you know. >> Yeah, they do. >> Like, it's this year and our year. That's right. >> We want to win the ESPN. >> That's the big one. >> Let's go. >> ESPN NFL Network, you know, from my. understand from what I heard. two become one. >> Mhm. >> Seems to be. >> symbiotic. >> Mike Fos's Towns Hall last uh yesterday.

It was nice to see you were there. >> I was there in Spirit. I was listening. from um from my United flight, but. actually United. No Snickers on that. flight. Um. >> you talking about. >> I'm just saying we didn't have Snickers. >> Okay. And last question. We need to. address this because it is a big deal. Uh Taesm Hill is going to be an. Indianapolis Colt. How's How's this. work? Uh, you know, that was an interesting. statement. Um, I wondered if he would. retire. His body's been through a lot. A.

lot of injuries, and I just I don't. know. Not to be sentimental, but don't. you think some guys should just play. their entire career with one? I mean, he's a perfect member of the Saints, >> you know, obviously not going to be. back. That was cool to see. I don't know. if he's going to play again. I don't. know if his body can handle him playing. again, but god, he was awesome. He was. like one of a kind type weapon and and. if this is it for his career like it was. a lot of fun. >> Yeah, we loved watching Taesm Hill. We. appreciate how athletic he is if he is. retiring. But Shawn Payton can certainly.

say, "Hey, Saints forever, bro. Come. on.". >> Yeah, exactly. >> Come on. >> Saints forever, dude. Keep the house. down there. Certainly Denver gets real. You know, he definitely wants a house in. New Orleans, but come on up to Denver. And then the Indianapolis Colts Shane. Sean say, "Shoot.". >> Yeah. Shoot. Watch this touchdown right. here. Shoot. Shoot. Shoot. That's a good. call. Hey, that's a good play. What' you. think of the guys? They were great. today. I mean, today was really good. I. don't know if you saw it. Defense, good. job. Taesm Hill. Holy hell. He's gonna. throw. He's gonna run. He's gonna pass. He's Tyler Warren. Just a little bit. more athletic. We got a lot of guys. So, just. >> that is pass interference right there.

>> Absolutely not. They're fighting for the. ball. That's why they call it [laughter]. 5050. And Taesm Hill says, "When I'm. involved, yeah, it's 7030." We. appreciate you, Rapid Board. Safe travel. is on your training camp tour. Where you. at next? People can buy tickets to see. you where. >> Um, going to Pittsburgh. I got to go. talk to a certain quarterback. We'll see. if he'll hang out with me. >> Are you going to be there on Monday? >> No, >> we're going to be there on Monday. >> Only tomorrow. Monday I'll be I have no. idea where. Somebody some a different. place every day. >> You'll be at the Ravens on Monday from.

our understanding of your schedule that. we are keeping track of better than you. Shout out to you doing that. And uh we. will be at the Pittsburgh Steelers. training camp on Monday. Cannot wait to. be there. First day of padded practice. >> Obviously we got a lot of friends in. that building, but obviously brand new. era. Excited to get eyes on the field. excited to see Pittsburgh Steelers fans. Can't wait to get in there and feel the. environment. Last year, I think we knew. that they probably weren't going to win. a Super Bowl. Fresh out of that. practice. Yeah. This year, from all. understanding, is there's. >> Wait, did you Hold on. Did you You're. serious or joking? >> 100% serious. Yeah, there was no juice.

in that practice last year. I've never. seen anything like it. I was actually. kind of embarrassed for them that that. is something that fans were getting to. see. AJ, is that not how you felt as. well? >> Little bit. Yeah, there was a weird kind. of vibe about it. >> Yeah, there's no juice. There was just. zero juice. Not even a punter, a kicker. who's doing nothing in practice. screaming. Nope. Or yep. Like none of. that. It was just like no juice at all. I think this year it's going to be. vastly different. We'll be there on. Monday. Ian's coming to a city near you. and we'll be back on the other side of. this three-minute break. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might. change their life. Take three.

>> Three. >> We have an opportunity to give away. $75,000. to a giving Daniel Vor. [cheering]. >> Absolutely. >> You're a sophomore, correct? >> Yeah. >> What is your major? Civil engineering. >> Okay. So, what's that mean? What is. civil engineering? >> Uh, >> I don't really know. >> Have you ever kicked a ball before? >> I have. I have. >> When were you a soccer player? >> Soccer player? Yeah. >> Okay. How were you at kicking soccer. ball? It's pretty good. >> I was okay. I was good. >> Have you ever said anything negative.

about football kickers? >> Maybe once or twice. >> Daniel. Damn, Daniel. We don't need. that. You make a field goal here from 33. yards uphill. You're the civil engineer. You'd have to tell me. I think it's. about a 40 yard kick. If you're able to. do that, we will give you $75,000. >> All right. >> He's got no races. >> Yeah. What do we got going here? Can we. get Can we get a shot of shoes? >> What time of the shoes? >> Daniel showed up in his vans with no. races. What time did you get here for. this? >> About 11:40 last night. >> Need a lot of power.

>> Good luck, Daniel. [cheering]. >> I'm not feeling it. Not feeling it. >> [screaming]. >> just like everything this morning. That. was a surprise. We did not expect that. >> One more kick. for $100,000.

>> You got [cheering] this, dude. >> Let's go. >> How about this, Daniel? How about this, Daniel? Not only is this one for. $100,000, if you make it, we'll add. another $100,000 to the $500,000. donation we're about to make from. college game day to the hurricane. relief. It could be 600,000 if you make. this with a h 100,000 going into your. pocket. Daniel, this is bigger than you. Let's make a kick. >> Way to overcome the shoes here. That was.

a heck of an effort. [cheering]. >> Come on. You got this. >> In Berkeley, California. >> You got it. >> [cheering]. [cheering]. >> Got you, buddy. Hell yeah. >> Damn, Daniel. [cheering]. Damn, Daniel.

[cheering]. >> Are you kidding me? >> [cheering]. [applause]. [cheering]. >> 1140 he was there. >> I know 600,000 to Hurricane,000. [cheering]. to Daniel. What a morning.

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is about to be, >> oh, haven't really got into the college. football conversation nearly enough. because it's been a lot of media days. It's been a lot of corpo stuff. It's. been a lot of suit stuff. It's been a. lot of politics stuff. That's AJ Hawk. The toxic tables here, AP Tone and Atai. Schmidt. We love you, Con man. Lawmakers. have put a deadline onto conference. commissioners to agree to a new pitch of. the Protect College Sports Act that is. hopefully going to be able to get onto. the floor before there is a recess for. the lawmakers for one month.

>> Mhm. >> These [ __ ] take a summer break. What. are they in school? What are they? Teachers what what are we lawmakers take. a month-long recess? Okay, sounds like. we don't have enough going on anyways in. our society. How long are they serving. our community? They take a month-long. recess. So now we I I'm sure there's a. hundred other things that need to get. figured out. By the way, go take a month. off. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's And then on the other side, I guess it's election time. So So then.

there's no real Heather Denitch told us. this like last week, and I didn't really. [clears throat] truly respect and. appreciate the word she was saying in. the moment enough. Pat, if this doesn't. happen in the next couple weeks, it's. probably never happening because they. got the month recess, then they got a. campaign, then you obviously got your. first 100 days, then you got the. reaction thing. So, this is what, two. years potentially that this gets put. into a blender of politics and [ __ ]. uh if it doesn't get done very soon. So, I didn't know the expedited timeline. that we're certainly sitting on, but AJ, it does feel like we are on a very.

expedited timeline. We got a bipartisan. type bill. Will the commissioners buy. into this? the commissioners uh Big 10. Petiti and SEC Seni were like nah. there's things in there that we don't. like or whatever it's like we might not. have an answer for college sports for. two years if it's not done in the next. four days like that is a crazy thing to. kind of experience I think in real time. AJ. >> yeah it's it's crazy that that's actual. like that's the reality of this whole. situation when you say bipartisan like I. I would assume like does everyone say. it's bipartisan like we said there's.

people on on all sides that have issues. with it correct. >> no I think it's mostly the commissioner. I think it's mostly Petin Seni. Now. joining us is a man who have a lot more. information on whether or not we're. going to have any type of. >> system for college football for the. foreseeable future. I guess the. authority on college sports as a whole. for this particular conversation. The. authority of college football from. college game day. Ladies and gentlemen, Pete Taml. >> Pete. Pete. >> It looks like you might be in Washington. DC right now actually with the way the.

building looks behind you. potentially. Chicago still for the Big 10 media. Deja. nonetheless protect college sports. This. has to go through like right now. Is. that what we're all kind of. understanding? Is that the reality of. this? And how how much urgency does. everybody kind of understand about it at. this particular point, Pete? Yeah, Pat, I think uh it's certainly in. the crosshairs right now, but the. overwhelming sense today is there's been. like three straight days of like drop. deadad deadlines that have been blown. through and uh the Big 10 uh presidents.

and athletic directors are actually. meeting about this as we speak. There's. an overriding feeling of pessimism. that's any that anything is going to. happen. And again, if anything happened. today with the Big 10 and the SEC and. the SEC presidents are meeting later. today about this uh in in about 3 hours, um if if any, you know, this is still to. get it to the Senate floor, which is. still like three steps away from being. three steps away. But right now, uh the. critical juncture here is if this one. doesn't work at this moment and this. doesn't get to the Senate floor at this. time, it just remains very unlikely that.

Congress is going to be an option for. college sports to help fix itself. And. that's especially comes into play, Pat, when you get all these state-by-state. laws that are coming in, right? Eligility things and you know the things. that really need fixing um and they need. congressional helping for are there and. core in this bill, but there's just so. much other fat and other things that. have been pushed in by the different. agendas and that's what happens when you. bring in Congress, right? You bring in. new problems. So, um yes, but I would. say right now as we sit here today and. the Big 10 meets on this, there's an.

overriding feeling of pessimism that. there's going to be any congressional. help. Um, and if this bill doesn't make. it to the floor in August, uh, you know, there's an overriding feeling that it. the congressional help is a long shot. But let's be honest, Pat, congressional. help was always a long shot, right? This. was. >> I saw a big circle meeting. There was a. bunch of people there. It felt like. everybody understood, especially with. maybe the breaking point being uh, the. Texas Tech Sorsby situation where. everybody was kind of on the same page. It's like, hey, maybe this is the. inflection point that brings everybody.

actually together. Now, you talked about. Congress and bringing in a bunch of fat. and things that people don't agree on, even though we do agree on. I think they. needed Congress, right, to give an. antitrust to the NCAA so the NCAA can. actually rule over its leagues and over. its uh constituents, but if they don't. have that, each individual state can. find a judge that can actually override. them, especially with the money. happening now. So, is that the basis. that everybody agrees on is like, hey, the NCAA needs power. It's all the other. stuff. Or what do you think the Big 10. and the SEC are mostly out on? So the.

the crux of of what's in the crosshairs. right now, what's ultimately going to. stall this is the language that's going. to set up the system for how college. football especially, but college sports. work and the finances of it. So there's. about a $40 million pool. Some of it is. a salary pool. Some of it is a retention. pool. That number has gone and dwindled. But it it really all reverts back, Pat, to an age-old conundrum, and that's. enforcement. So basically, they were. going to have to write the rules for. what the future of college athletics. looks like in like 48 hours with Senate.

uh input. And that's just simply an. improbable road. But this comes back to. something very simple. Like there was. the there was a house settlement, right? And everyone's going to spend 20 million. bucks. Great. Well, now people are. spending $50 million. Um you know, and I. spoke to a few Big 10 coaches about this. yesterday. Let's just say there's a. salary cap, some of its retention, some. of it's uh some of it's, you know, incoming, right? and say that number is. in the $40 million range. Does everyone. does every big brand in the country. that's spending over $40 million expect. everybody to revert back to the cap?

There's simply a century of mistrust. here because every rule that's ever been. written in college sports, people have. found ends around it. Now, this doesn't. happen in professional sports, right? Like you don't hear about, you rarely. hear about NFL teams averting the salary. cap. happens once or twice, strictly. policed and the punishments are. punitive, Pat, right? Like they're. punitive. So what what has to happen. here is they there needs to be a. paradigm going forward for how this. works with enforcement that is act that. actually matters and that is that is a.

tricky wicket and that is not something. that's going to get solved this week. there's always um competitive people. trying to beat systems like there's. always going to be that and whenever you. said in professional sports with the. salary cap kind of dancing around it the. NBA certainly has had their stories. baseball certainly had their stories the. NFL though it feels like we do have it. pretty locked in in college sports is it. still college sports or is it. professional sports that are happening. at colleges I mean that's kind of the. conversation I guess that is trying to. happen uh in real time as they make the.

rules but what it sounds like you're. saying is we got nothing for at least 2. years. That's what it sounds like. Cuz. they got a recess like they're 12 year. olds. [laughter] Okay. They they got. they go to re Did you get all your. chocolate milk and did they pack up the. oranges? Did you guys get your jams in. your for your summer recess that you're. going on? These are adults put in. position. I'm just learning that they go. on a summer recess. What are we What are. we doing? You're serving a country. [laughter]. I don't they do not like that sports are.

just getting a little bit more spotlight. on us not doing [ __ ] ever really is. coming in here. I I don't like that. You. know, Pete, I you you need to keep a. straight face because you're going to. have to go talk to these people. We'll. never be in that world. >> Figure it out. Okay. We need you to do. something one time. Now, there are some. disagreements amongst the sports folks. I guess Tone has a question for you, Pete. >> Yeah, Pete. Uh Big 10 media days is. going on right now. It's the last of the. Power Four media days. As I've digested. all of these media days and the coaches. talking and the commissioners talking,

it feels like there every single coach. in every conference wants to go to 2014. uh playoff teams except for one and. that's Greg Seni. Why is he the only one. that doesn't want to go to a 2014. playoff? >> Well, that's that's that's an. interesting question. Um and and look, usually when you look at the history of. the playoff and how it's changed, it. usually follows what what Greg Seni. wants, right? So I think that's that's. important and instructive here. He is. open to growth. He is open to other.

models. Remember. >> he wanted to go to 16. Yeah. >> And then Tony Patiti has leverage kind. of kept it kept it the same. Um so that. it's it's an everchanging conversation. I think a lot of times especially. because it's media days, Tone, it's. rooted in coaches, right? Like the. coaches would go to 72, right? They they. just keep going because they all want to. keep their job and they want access. And. I I think there's a feeling on campuses. and especially in coaches offices, Tone, that if we're spending 20 million on a. roster, like the cheapest Big 10 roster. is basically right under 20 million this.

year. If we're spending that kind of. money annually, we want to carrot, right? We want to car it. And. >> it would be hard for a Purdue. Northwestern, Missouri, Mississippi. State to finish 12th, >> but it, you know, 24th like you can all. dream and pull a couple upsets and. finish 24th. So they want the they want. that carrot of hope. Basically hope is a. powerful drug, right? And they want that. that carrot of hope. Um yeah, but the. the SEC's main complaint tone uh when.

you go to 24 is and it's not a. complaint, it's something they want to. uh they want to see the effect it would. have on the regular season and they want. that quantified and that's really hard. um for all the Big 10's dominance on the. field, and you won't catch me like. flinching on that. Like, the Big 10 has. dominated on the field. They've. dominated in the biggest games. They've. won the championships. They've won the. uh they've won the uh CFP games. Like, for all their dominance on the field, the SEC is still dominating in the. ratings. Like, those aren't even close. So, that's a huge asset for the SEC. And.

if you start giving away, you know, if. you start veering eyeballs to the. postseason and devaluing the regular. season, what's the cost of that? And. that's the existential question that. they're still trying to to to wrestle. with when they look at 24. >> Yeah. Sanki is like, "Yeah, we're all. playing the same sport. We love the same. sport." No, our games get some eyes. Every single one of them, even even the. the the lower mid-tier ones. Now, Big 10. has big brands, big names at the top. that carry massive ratings as well.

Let's not get crazy. That happens. But. in the SEC, Seni understands like. tickets, ratings, interest, everything. That's his business. That is our content. is what he's saying. If everything just. becomes a super duper playoff game, you. know, like. >> it makes sense. >> Is everything playing for fourth place? Do we get, you know, uh, the teddy bear, the bear coming out of halftime and. wrestling Jackie Moon, you know, because. this I think that is that is. potentially. Plus, they also if it goes. to 24, it definitely devalues the SEC. Championship, which I assume they make a. pretty good penny on that as well.

>> But also, I think if you add teams, um, it gets you out of the conversation. about people not wanting to play in the. SEC Championship. Yeah. >> Right. Cuz wasn't that a big thing? Like, well, if we play in the SEC. Championship, we have two losses and our. third losses in the SEC Championship. They say they're not going to judge us, but they certainly are. Whenever there's. three losses, if there's 24 teams, those. people would automatically get in. And. then the SEC championship maybe isn't. devalued as much. Maybe people do care. about it because it's still a thing. I. mean, you can combat anything. It's all. in theory. Nobody has a clue what's. going to happen. All we know is money is.

going to follow football. Like, so I I. think in the end of the day, they're all. scared of like what's the best option. for us? What's the best this if you're. good at football, money is going to. follow you. That is just ratings are. going to follow you. Money is going to. follow you forever. And on that note, it. feels like money is following these. rosters in a huge way. Tai has a last. question for you here, Pete. Yeah, Pete, you mentioned how, you know, I think it. was in 2024, 2025 when Ohio State won, you know, they said they spent like $20. million on the roster and then last year. now we're hearing like a lot of teams. are spending 50. When we're in this kind. of period where there are no rules,

there are no guidelines. Like what's. stopping one of these schools who has. the ability to spend 80 to 90 million on. the roster and just going to their. boosters and basically saying like, "Hey, we have a window right now where. we're like we're not going to get in. trouble for this." So, if you guys want. to, you know, really donate over the. next two years, we can put together by. far the best roster in college football. and go win two national championships. before they kind of put the guardrails. in and we're all playing on a level.

playing field again. >> Yeah, it's a it's a multi-quagmire day. tie. One of your favorite kinds try to. >> t what's that called? A quagmire. a murder of quagmireers. A. >> quagmire. Is it quagmire? >> Oh, maybe a herd of them. I [laughter]. sorry. >> that was a very a front weird. [clears throat] just talking squads that. that was front [laughter]. >> that was that was good we big pop out of. Pete. I like that.

>> Yeah. Okay. We we'll get into more like. uh that type of jump. >> My one joke of the year Pat. That's what. instead of [laughter] singing that song. at LSU that's about the most you're. going to get out of me. >> Oh my god. So, if we go to uh if we go. back to Tai's uh if we go back to Tai's. question about roster and cost, it is a. remarkable shift, Tai, that the vaunted. $20 million roster that everybody talked. about for Ohio State two years ago would. now basically be the cheapest roster of. the Big 10, right? And that is uh a. salary path that many have called. unsustainable. But we what you're. mentioning basically is the Dodgers.

Yankees theory, right? Can we just. outspend everybody and win big and and. do that? Now, there are still ways you. have to quote unquote wash this money, right, through multimedia rights, through partners, through everything. like that. So, it's not as simple as. direct payment, but with with no real. cap and no stopping to it, like you. know, people are going to just keep. spending. There is no cost going down. And, you know, like the financial. component of this bill uh flashed that, you know, the roster go about 40. million. Well, no, nobody who's spending. above that really thought anybody would.

go backwards, right? Like you you know, Pat, you just said it, follow the money. in football and in sports. these the. cost doesn't go down for these things. So, what college sports leaders are. going to have to do quickly now is try. to figure out a way and some of the. language that they've been discussing. with Congress may end up just being the. language that the Big 10 and the SEC and. others use to to push forward. Um, there's been a lot of conference calls. with the CSC and the, you know, the big. four commissioners to try to like, you. know, get the language ready for. Congress. So there the the conversations.

may end up yielding, you know, productivity down the line here because. everybody's kind of had to focus in on. what they really want and work together. Um it just doesn't appear like that's. going to go with Congress. But to to. your question, Ty, that the cost is. going to keep coming up and and I don't. think there's ever been more of a. throughine between investment in roster. and in winning, right? it it doesn't. guarantee it, but if you're 18th in the. Big 10 in spending, there's a pretty. good chance you're going to finish with. a teenth in your uh you know, in the.

standings. >> So, what you're saying is we've happened. upon a field of quagmires, but we have. certainly planted seeds to reap what we. show potentially in the future whenever. there's a more realistic situation of. getting something accomplished. >> Fair, fair assessment, Pat. [laughter]. >> The man, ladies and gentlemen, that's. Pete. Cuz. a a quagmire is a soft muddy area. >> Oh, sure. >> So, a bunch of them would be considered. a field, I guess. But in the situation.

definition, a hard complex or messy. problem that's very tough to escape, that's just simply called quagmires. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But listen, if you want to do a fun game. into. >> What the [ __ ] was that? >> That was my phone. >> It sounded like a phone. >> Jumping off a cliff. >> Okay. Not used to this type of. >> scary time. Scary times. >> You guys got two two days. Get the. wording right. >> Good luck. >> How many pages? 400. >> They were on late calls though. We had.

sources source. >> very late in the CSC, which is the uh. committee. Is. >> that commission? >> The college sports commission. There it. is. They're the ones that would be. approving NIL deals for everybody. I. believe that is kind of the role. They. had late night call that involved uh all. the commissioners including Pack 12 and. >> uh American. >> and the American uh I believe uh Notre. Dame was on there, Pete Pvak was on. there. Yankees. Yeah, Randy. [clears throat] Lavine. >> was on there and they were I think it.

was with Ted Cruz and Canwell. Uh I. believe they were all on a call and. we're we were we heard late in tonight. We heard it was a very very with a lot. of big names on that call trying to get. the wording of it all like we just need. the wording to be in a position that it. is what we want it to be. And from our. source says they were very worried about. the wording and how it was, you know, going to potentially get politicized. And I think that's what they mean by.

like working things in. Like I think. they all have agreed on certain things. It's like yes, we could do this, but if. we're going to get something through, I. think there has to be a bunch of other. [ __ ] too that clarifies or maybe does. other. So I don't know, man. Pete said. like it's a we're it would be three. steps away from being three steps away. though. Like it sounds like this long. >> ultimately isn't. It kind it kind of. seems like like the Big 10 in the SEC. agreed on stuff after initially not. being okay with it. Like they do not.

view themselves in the same in the same. universe as the Big 12 or the Americans. So, like this comes out and it's like. actually you know what uh we're not okay. with this cuz you guys aren't playing. the same sport that we are. >> And I would like to say that no matter. what that first round of uh Bills would. have said, I think SEC and Big 10 are. letting everybody know immediately that. we are not the same. >> Yeah. >> Like no matter what would have happened. there, I think Sanki and Patiti both. naturally would have came to this. argument. But I think they have.

certainly said, "Hey, whatever. everybody's saying is good for them. Let's let let's make sure everybody. knows that we get final look at this. [ __ ] Like let's uh I I think they. wanted to publicly have that leverage. point. I think. >> so that's that makes sense. I think in. from their perspective it makes sense. Now people are going to hate that. they're doing that. You guys are holding. up every for the good of is this for the. goose or the gander you know or what is. this all for? And Peter like we've done. a really good job with our conferences. >> Yeah. I mean it's capitalism not. communism. >> Yeah. We've done a very good job with.

our conferences and how we've built it. and what people think of us. And what. we're trying to say is let's make sure. they're able to survive. Sanki and. Petiti. >> Agreed. >> We have reached out to both of them for. comment over the last few weeks. And. what have we got? >> Crickets. >> Huh. Are they. >> They're not doing what Fangio did, right? They're not This is kind of what. it sound like when I'm like, "So, what's. the deal, boys? I'm going to be like. Fouchy and just take the Fifth Amendment. on out questions. >> That's what they said. No,

>> cuz I'm hearing Sanki talk non-stop. about the SEC. >> He is talking non-stop, isn't he? >> Yeah. >> What do you He sounds like you're being. a little negative about. >> There's a lot of There was a lot of. excuses coming out of there last week. They're talking about how they got to. play nine conference games now. Oh, how. long's the Big 10 been doing that? >> Uh, Miss Laura said that yesterday. I I. was a part of the mentions there. Forget. about that. >> Yeah, boy. That is that is as good as. >> Yeah, she knew what she was doing. Oh my. god. Just she It did feel like she knew. exactly what to do to the Big 10 folks.

>> Our our conference is so good. We'd beat. each other up by the time we're tired. and all the big Yeah, right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. You try to play. Northwestern in [ __ ] December. [laughter]. >> It was awesome. >> She But I do believe she feels as if. she's a representative of the SEC. >> I love that part of college football. >> Went to an SEC school. She should be. doing that. >> Posted SEC Nation, which was Yeah. It's. like she feel and uh I I don't know what. it's like for her on a regular basis. with NFL Live and everything else she. does and I assume with SEC Nation there. was inner. >> welcome Thunder.

>> bingo. Yeah, there was there was a lot. and then but there was people fighting. back too and I think she got in there a. little bit too. I was like holy [ __ ] I. did not expect when. >> that's the beauty of college football. >> Boy, that's the one if you really just. want to get people going. Oh yeah, >> I guess that is the one. >> But that's the thing is like there's no. guarantee. We've talked about it, but. like the way things are right now, like. what SEC, like Michigan, if if they. wanted to, they could spend $100 million. on their roster this year. Multiple Big. 10 schools could do that. Could any SEC. school round up $und00 million for their. football team in the next.

>> I think uh obviously I think Lane could. get it down there if they need it. because remember we aren't paying this. coach. >> Yeah. >> And it turns out. >> they are. Where all this money come? It's like everybody. Okay, we're going. to win. I want Mike Taga out there to. watch if we're going to do that. Texas could do it.&M could do it. I. think Kirby. >> I don't know what Georgia But they got a. lot of khakis and a lot of you know a. lot of very wealthy people I think. coming out of Georgia just from who.

we've met literally. I think Georgia. could do it but that is the game. Yeah. >> Miss I mean they were able to keep winad. there. So I assume they got. >> feel like Northwestern could do it like. if they really wanted to. >> They just built that new state. >> Exactly. Northwestern could spend 80 to. hundred million dollars on their. football team next year. >> What's Arkansas doing? Don't they have. Jerry and Walmart? >> Yeah, actually I It's tough investment. though. What are you getting back? Any. money? No. >> No. You're right. It's a donation. >> Yeah. So, it's like the Northwestern. business people might be a little bit. too smart to just.

>> Yeah, man. We love that you guys are. maybe going to win games. Are we getting. any money back on this sick parking. spot? >> Come on, Greedy. Just a little. >> Is it even a write-off Thor forum? No. No. >> Should be. >> And then guess what? We're going to hit. you up in about 6 months because we need. a bigger payment next year. >> And guess what? The guy you paid turns. out he didn't play any transfer. [laughter]. >> Do we get anything out of him? >> Nope. >> No. He was really good. >> This next guy, this next guy is going to. be legit. >> Well, we'll show you the film of this. guy. He's got good feet. And we talked. to his coach. Loves ball. He'd never.

leave us. Okay. Turns out he doesn't. want to commit to us. So, we we need to. find this other guy. We need to get. money. I I think some of those super. smart schools can get that money, but I. think it's going to be tough to get it. from the people who have that money when. there is literally zero good business in. it other than your school is going to do. good at football, which is good for your. school, >> but they don't care about that cuz. academics at the end of the day are like. matter much more at Northwestern than. any of the sports programs. >> Yeah. So, the smart meattheads is who. you're looking for. >> Exactly. >> Penn State's got a lot of them. Yeah. So.

Penn State has like a bunch of the Seale. people in every business and they went. to Penn State, they all went to football. games. So they all feel as if they are. giving actual back to their friends, their family, their cult. No offense, but that is really what it is. That's. why Pat Craft's been able to kind of. like rally them because they're kind of. sports people in there. Northwestern's. super smart people who maybe like sports. or watch sports, right? Penn State's. like sports people who went to a super. nerdy, super successful business type. school. >> Yeah. They're not in the Big 10, but. Notre Dame's very similar. Yeah. IU.

>> Notre Dame. IU. Yes, exactly. >> Because Northwestern just spent how much. on that stadium? >> A lot. >> I think it was like 500. >> And that stadium looks sick. >> Sick. It is maybe a nicer stadium. And. Chip Kelly said, "Hey, look at this. thing." Put his hard hat on. >> Yeah. Actually says 862 to 870 million. >> Yeah. And they had somebody donate that. >> Yeah. >> Kansas did the same uh I believe last. year for their new stadium. >> And all the coaches are saying is we'll. play in a parking lot. We don't need the. stadium. >> Give me Give me that. I'll get a. quarterback. I'll get I'll get a uh I'll.

get an air rusher. You know, you okay. over there, AJ? You got this little fly. starting to attack me. I have little I. got an assault fly gun downstairs. I. wish I had it with me. >> I think you can go get that. We'd like. to see you maybe bring that gun out. >> Where is it? >> Have you found the queen yet? >> Snatching my hand. >> Oh, I'm about to get back back in the. hive. Been letting them. shake [ __ ] They're gone. >> All right. I'm not talking about the. bees anymore with you guys. [laughter]. They're dead. I'm not even going to. answer anymore. The bees are gone. They've left. >> Oh, they're there. They're there, buddy. They're there. But I don't.

>> Yeah. No, you don't. >> Did you know 20 years ago today, >> you signed your deal with the Green Bay. Packers? >> Wow. There you go. >> I don't [applause] know if it was it. Ted, man. The the late great Ted. Thompson. Good to see him, man. >> Yeah. Rest in peace, Ted. Thank you for. your contribution to sport and to. Packers, obviously. But yeah, at 20. years ago sports uh sport has been doing. this. You were the presentation of the. morning. 20 years ago, something special. happened in Green Bay, and we're still. getting celebrated today. The all-time. leading tackler, this guy in the.

oversized suit with the long hair, who. didn't do any medical records for. anybody before this moment right here. out of Centerville, Ohio, would go on to. become the all-time leading tackler for. the team. I think that'd be a good draft. pick. I think people would say that's a. good usage of a fifth overall pick. Congrats to you, AJ. >> Hogle. >> Yep. Thank you. That was seconds after. he uh you know, Andrew Brandt has told. us the story many times. He had to go. down. He had to basically pull AJ by the. ear to get him out of the waiting room. to come up and sign his deal. >> Yeah. He was sweating this guy.

>> Mhm. >> Vea gone. Baker gone. I don't think. people fully understand what I meant. whenever I said Baker covered. everything, but also said he was. disrespected. Maybe let's go camping. Hey, let's go camping. >> Hey, let's go down to Tampa Bay. We got. Baker with us joining us uh from. yesterday, but live, if you will. Uh. Baker, how do you feel about your. contract negotiation that stalled out. before your deadline? How do you feel. like kind of the Buccaneers view you? How about Vita Vea? How'd your team end. the season last year? How do you think. this season's going to go? I know I kind. of asked you a lot of things. You just.

kind of take it wherever you want to, Big. >> Yeah, I mean, obviously I've told you. guys I've been pretty upfront and honest. about my feelings about Tampa. Um it. being home for now, our our family, we're raising kids here. We love it. here. Um, I wanted the deal done and set. the deadline and told them it was going. to be all ball after that. And I I did. mean that. And I don't know if they. thought I was just going to take some of. the offers that they gave, but um I'm at. the point in my career and understanding. what I've brought to this franchise.

One, I'm I'm very very thankful for the. chance they gave me. Do not get me wrong. on that. But I've also know I I really. know what I've brought to this franchise. leadership wise, um, and even play-wise. It's been some of the best years of of. my career and I I think it's only going. to trend upwards. >> Okay. >> Just being comfortable and feeling that. So, u disappointing in that regard to to. not have, you know, to feel disrespected. a little bit and um that's really the. disappointing part to to feel. undervalued uh after, you know, thinking. you've earned it. Um this is not a poor.

me thing. It's there's a lot other. people that have it way worse off, but I. can sit here and and look at other. quarterbacks and peers and um evaluate. myself based on that and put myself in. certain categories that uh I deserve to. be compensated for that. And I think I'm. a franchise quarterback. I've been told. I'm a franchise quarterback. Uh it's. been said publicly from ownership down. here. And so to not have a deal done is. very disappointing. But. >> I said the deadline was a deadline. And. uh I addressed the team to let them know. I I meant that it's it's all ball. I'm.

with these guys. I think all the guys. that have been here know exactly who I. am. Uh the guys that are new here, I. wanted to address that because they. might have had a a notion prior to. coming here about who I am as a person. But it's it's all team. It's all about. winning here now and uh what we're going. to do. And you know, hopefully Vita gets. his back fixed and and gets his his deal. done. I mean, he's the second longest. tenure buck behind CG and Vita deserves. that. He's the anchor of our defense and. so I hope they take care of him. Um. >> all right. >> Anything else? disappointed to say the. least, but it's all ball here and I know.

I'm going to have a good year. I know. this team, this the things that we went. through last year uh put us in a good. spot for this year depth wise. A lot of. guys being thrown to the fire uh to be. able to grow and learn uh fast and it. didn't go the way we wanted, but it's a. new season and it's it's going to help. us in the long run this year. Added some. new pieces and so I'm excited about it. It's all ball from here. Um you know, after today, like I'll answer a few more. questions about the contract, but after. today, I'm not not answering anymore. because I'm not negotiating anymore. >> I understand. chips, but in some way Maple is always.

better on himself to do it again. >> Yeah, looks great. >> They can always franchise tag you. There's other options that they have. What does it do for your relationship? >> Uh, it's disappointing. It's, you know, I'm I'm not the first one to go through. it like this. This is kind of. historically how they've done. negotiations, which is disappointing. when you think you're a cornerstone of. the franchise um to be treated like. that, but. >> disappointing. I I know. >> I'm no dummy. I know I know the contract. and salary cap. What's going on?

Franchise tag isn't exactly in play for. them. It'd be a lot of dead money. Um, so it's not. >> my homework. >> It is what it is. And like I said, unfortunate, but I'm excited. I'm in the. best shape I've ever been in in a really. good place. Uh, and I'm feeling really. confident with the staff that that. Todd's put together um that we're going. to have a really really good team. >> Hell yeah. All right. Thank you, Baker. >> All right. Well, you're answering my. questions. Send him out here. Thank you, Bez. Baker Mayfield. >> [applause]. >> kind of covered it all there. Yeah, he. did. >> Disappointed, disrespected. It's kind of.

how they do it here. That's kind of a. bummer that this is kind of what they do. around here. It's got a Tampa Bay. Buccaneers logo right above his head. He's wearing their uniform, you know. Don't really love the way this whole. thing went. Felt like it was kind of a. smack in the mouth. Whatever the case, they've set up a franchise quarterback. Didn't feel like it during the. negotiation, but we're going to have a. good year this year. Sounds like okay. Beggars going on a tear with And is that. how everybody in the locker room feels? You know, >> it's not good if it is. >> like Vea saying, "Hey, I want to be. traded. He's beloved in that locker room. on the defensive side. I think the. coaches love him too. You got Baker. coming out and saying it's the way this.

organization does stuff. Like that's. [laughter] not. >> Yeah. Not good. >> That's not great. But he did say he's. going to play good and we all believe. he's going to play good. AJ. >> Yeah, we do. I just I wonder Okay, so. the negot we're not negotiating anymore. Is it possible that the team could send. his agent another like, hey, this here's. a four-year deal, here's a three. Does. that happen? >> Feels like he's pretty hands-on there, right? >> Yeah, it definitely does. But I mean, what if his agent's like, "Hey, man, I'm. just let you know they doubled they. doubled the offer they sent you." Would. could that possibly happen? Could this. spur something like that to happen? >> Yeah. And then it sounds like Baker just.

wants to be all ball. I don't want to. deal with when the money's coming, how. the money's coming, why the money's. coming, what an incentive is, what which. incentive matters more than another. incentive. It's like if he feels like. he's pretty invested in those. negotiations, which I respect, by the. way. I I I respect and appreciate that. But it does take a lot of your mental. energy, you know, to kind of figure out. what you deserve, what you're okay with, how much you should give up, you know, because there's there's contracts, negotiations that we've been a part of. where it's like, what monetarily wise is. peace of mind worth, and what is working.

with this person versus this person. worth? And it's like, I think Baker just. wanted to remove himself from that. Once. football starts, I want to be all in on. ball. Now, to your point though, can the. Bucks just present them a. >> 50 million a year, bud, threeyear deal, $150 million? You good? You're in a 50. million club. It's a three-year deal. That's pretty good. You're 31 years old. He'd be 34. You'll be able to hit the. market again. >> That could happen anytime. >> Yeah. >> But Baker ain't signing it. >> No. And I think he probably has enough. confidence in himself that he thinks he. could have an MVP type season and get 60. million from someone. >> And we might be at 80 million a.

quarterback here very soon. I I mean, it's only a matter of time. Who knows. what Nando is going to potentially get. in four years when he is up if he and. the Raiders have a fantastic run. Let's. pivot away from football. Let's go to. baseball. Baseball's got a lot of story. lines. >> Yeah, it does. Ladies and gentlemen, fourth time Golden Glove, World Series. champ with the Royals, man whose father. was a firefighter down in Miami for like. 29 years. >> Shout out ladies and gentlemen, friend. of the program, Eric Hosmer. [applause]. >> What's happening? What's happening,

fellas? Big fan of the program. >> Yeah, we appreciate the hell out of you. I we I learned of you whenever you wore. a for the brand sleeve for a batting. practice back in the day and we felt. like we I want you to know this. Felt. like we arrived a little bit whenever. that happened. That was a crazy. situation for us. So, uh, we are very. appreciative of you and how much love. you've shown us. And on that note, baseball has become a bigger part of our. program. I think you have probably seen. that over the years. I'm fascinated by. the drama around it right now, especially with scoops. Okay. The scoop. situation is fascinating because you won.

with the Royals, the World Series. You. were potentially the last small market. team. I guess the Rangers Nationals are. in the conversation. DC is a big market. Texas and Dallas big market. Royals 2015. team you were on. last small market team. to really win the World Series. Now, allegedly the Dodgers are in play for. Terrick Scubel, who is obviously the. best player, which is obviously a. massive piece of the convo. Is baseball. broken? Huh? And where do you think. [laughter] Scoobs is headed? And why do. you think this is just so like assumed. to happen? Whenever you one of these.

small market teams get a good player, it's like, well, he's only going to be. like it's like a farm league almost. Is. this with trick since the beginning or. why do you think we've gotten here, Hos? >> Well, I will say this, Pat. First and. foremost, I'm all about respect. So, first time on the program, I wasn't. about to come on here with sleeves. >> Respect. >> You guys, man, hey, you guys put me. through a lot of training room days in. Boston. I would put the phone on, throw. the McAfee show. My uh son was born that. year. Same thing, these feedings. throughout the night. So, I've been a.

big fan since day one. So, appreciate. those words. But look, >> wow, thank you, man. That's so cool of. you. Thank you. Thank you for saying all. that. We are lucky to be a part of that. Thank you for allowing us to be a part. of your life. Now, let's get back to. baseball. Scuba leaving is a big part of. this entire new negotiation that's. happening, right? And especially if he. goes to the Dodgers, it's going to be. really loud. What do you think about. baseball? You said it's fine. I agree. More interest, but it does feel like. we're at a tipping point. No. Or am I. wrong? >> Yeah, I said it's fine, but it's not. fine at all, Pat. I'm kind of panicking. I'm not lying. I'm not going to lie.

about [laughter] this situation cuz. first and foremost, we don't know what's. going to happen next year. But the. Scooball situation, I mean, this is. where the Tigers, honestly, I think the. day that they became 10 to$15 million. apart in arbitration, that's the day. they knew they were going to trade Scoo. because this is the situation when you. come up as a small market team, Max. Clark, he's a young star out there. Foxy, you got to know all about him. Apparently, Detroit's calling him up. today. So when he gets called up today, the team has you for seven years right.

now is what the current CBA is. And. usually those first four years you got. the rookie salary and then the last. three you go to arbitration. Once the. players start going to arbitration, that's when you start making big money. So what these small market teams do is. that first year of arbitration, they try. to lock a guy like TK Scubble down. before that because that's when they. know they're going to get expensive. And. if they're not able to lock them down, that's when the GMs in the front office. know, hey, okay, this is where we're. going to have to get a return for our.

investment. So now you guys were at the. derby promoting the game, which is. awesome. And you saw Junior Camroero out. there allegedly. [clears throat]. So allegedly, the Angels could have. traded Otani to Tampa and got in return. Junior Camro. So obviously you see that. set back that franchise a lot. So, the. Detroit Tigers cannot let Terrick. Scubble walk out of that building and. not get anything in return. And it's. pretty obvious that they're not getting. a deal done. >> That's kind of where Foxy has landed. It's like we need to get something. And.

that's why Detroit clap for him. basically. He's not going to be here. long term. At least we can get something. for the city from them and we appreciate. how great you are. But the Pirates as. soon as Skins got there already started. chanting sell the team because they knew. he his ass was going to be gone. I mean, they knew he was going to be gone. Maybe. not though. Who knows what the. negotiations happen. All right, let's. continue to talk baseball. A lot. happening. Go ahead, Ty. >> Yeah, Hos. I mean, it does seem like the. Dodgers are the leaders in the clubhouse. for scubble, even though a team like. Milwaukee could probably put together. the best package. But when you look.

around the MLB, how many teams do you. think can legitimately do something at. the deadline to compete with the Dodgers. this year in, you know, October? or is. it do you think it's kind of a foregone. conclusion and that you know they're. going to add scoo and they're probably. going to win a World Series that's. potentially going to lead to a work. stoppage. >> So So right now this is what's so. interesting about the deadline is. Detroit they're not saying we're going. to trade Scoo and we want a full return. of young players like they still believe.

that their team has a shot this year and. they have every reason to. They got this. young Kevin McGonagal. Riley Green's a. stud on the pitching side. They got Troy. Melton. They got Monontto, they got. ARMS. So, they want big league ready. starting pitching and young players. back. So, it's really interesting, too, because Casey M, who's also balling on. that rotation, he was their first pick. overall in 2018. He can possibly be in a. package deal with Scooball because he's. a free agent next year, too. So, Detroit. really has to take advantage of this.

situation and get a big return, but they. still want big league players ready as. well. So, it's going to be so. interesting this deadline because again, a small market team like Milwaukee and. Tampa, you know, realistically that. you're never going to be able to to sign. a Ter Scubble on the free agency market. for 4500 million. So, you're going to. say, "Okay, I'm going to go ahead and. get TKO at the trade deadline for half a. season. It'll probably cost me what $10. million if you prorrate whatever he's.

making this year." And then if you go. ahead and make the playoffs, you get. that playoff revenue in return. So, this. is the small markets team chance to. really strike. And I think Tampa. Milwaukee come into play. But if they. want big league ready pitching, the. Dodgers have that best package possible. because they have the young talent and. they have this Justin Robleski kid, this. young lefty who's a stud and he's doing. it in the big leagues this year. >> Okay. You talk about small market teams. maybe renting scuba for a year. Hold the. phone. Let's go to Pittsburgh. Go ahead, Tone. >> Yeah. Yeah. The Buckos could absolutely. do that. But the NL wild card race is.

insane right now. There's seven teams. within two games. The Pirates being one. of those. And I would I would be an. idiot not to ask you about the Buckos. since that's who I root for. They they. obviously have the starting pitching. with Ashcraft and Skins it seems like. And then Jared Jones is coming along as. well and Bubba Chandler. So they have. the arms there. The bullpen has been. absolutely horrendous. Uh but the. offense is going to get O'Neal Cruz and. maybe Connor Griffin back uh at the. beginning of September. How do you feel. about the Buckos chances and do you. think they'll be buyers at the deadline. because that has it hasn't happened. since 2014?

I mean, you hope so because I mean, if. you need a starting pitcher to win one. game, Paul Ske is your guy. I mean, that's America's starting pitcher. Everything about him, you love. And then. on the position player side, Connor. Griffin, this kid is a stud, man. He his. swing, his body, his makeup for. shortstop. I mean, there really wasn't a. shortstop like that size that's so young. since A-Rod. And this kid, he's got the. smooth actions, especially from the. right side. Just a clean swing. So, this. is what kind of the MLB season as.

players, you kind of break it down into. parts. And the trade deadline is huge. because you want to give your front. office, you want to present your front. office a case to be buyers at the. deadline. And the Pittsburgh Pirates, in. my opinion, have given the front office. every reason to believe in this team and. be buyers. So, I think they should go. out and get some arms, get some bullpen. help, and add whatever you can. >> I uh I think the Pittsburgh Pirates are. winning it all this year. >> Yeah. It's going to save baseball. forever. >> cuz if the Dodgers win, baseball's done. So.

>> it might. >> if Scooble goes out to the Dodgers right. now on a halfyear rental thing. >> and they just. >> I tell you what, when your guys when. your boy Jason Kendall takes over in. Pittsburgh one day, I don't know when. it's going to be, that's when it'll. happen. >> Hold on. Okay, you just said that. publicly. I I had heard that privately. as well in a couple conversations that. Kendall was trying to get uh involved in. the Pirates in a pretty big way. And I. would like to say everybody knows how I. feel about that. Yeah, more Jason. Kendall better. More Jason Kend. >> Kendall's a legend. So, a lot of people. don't really know this, but he was in.

Kansas City. He ended his career there. and he stuck around Kansas City and was. basically a coach. So, Jason Kendall was. like one of my mentors in Kansas City. and I was a young guy, didn't have a. family at the time, so he'd always be. like, "H, come on. Let's go get some. dinner. Let's go. Let's do this." And. man, he was the best, man. He was like a. role model for me. Still is. So, he's a. legend. >> Yeah. Okay. Jason Kendall's exactly who. I thought he was. I also like the fact. that they call you Haw. Okay. Because we. went with that and I just assumed that. was the natural nickname and it worked.

So, I'm pretty pumped up about uh about. that. Nailed it. >> Tell Father Haw we appreciate his. service to the community as well. That's. incredible. We appreciate you, Eric. We'll talk to you soon. >> Appreciate you fellas. Appreciate you. having me on. >> Ladies and gentlemen, it's Eric Hosmer. >> That was a good baseball talk, AJ. We. had good baseball talk. >> Yeah. I I Did he ever cross paths with. Bonito Santiago? >> Probably. No. >> Uh, H. >> Hos, you still on there? >> Yo. Yo, I'm still there. >> Do you know Bonito Santiago? >> Bonito. He was with the Florida Marlins.

back in the day. I watched him as a fan, but he was a little older than me. >> That's awesome. >> He changed the game, didn't he? >> Oh, the guy. >> All right. Thank you. >> He did. Hey, fun fact, AJ. You're. nailed. You're locked in. Cuz his his. daughters went to my high school about. four or five years before I did. So, big. brain over there. AJ, you're locked. [laughter] in. >> Thank you very much. Eric, thank you. He changed the game. >> Changed the game. You heard it from Hos. >> Yeah, but you didn't like the Jason. Kendall was getting all that shine. You. know, that's what I think Jason Santiago. jersey in a New York hotel for you. Um,

>> it's there. The lay meridian. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's kind of waiting on you. It's. a good jersey. It's a good jersey. >> Somebody forgot that one there, >> dude. Jason Kendall coming up to us at. the home run derby. What a moment, man. >> That was awesome. >> That was huge. >> I thought he was taller. I was, you. know, cuz the way that bat looked in his. hand just look like he was sp, you know, it looked like there was a [ __ ]. toothpick [laughter] out there. >> I didn't like to hear that he played. Kansas City. I didn't remember that. >> Just at the end of his No, he was a one. bucko hat guy, >> but then it sounds like he did stick. around in Kansas City for a bit and kind.

of called that home. >> Well, they gave him a job. >> So, what's he trying to do? Is he trying. to He's trying to. >> be a GM maybe. >> GM skip. Is this real? Was this what has. this been rumored or No, >> no, not that I've heard, but you know, my ear is not super close to the ground. >> Hosmer brings that up and I'm like, yeah, I've been saying that too. Me, you. said it publicly. I guess I agree. We do. need Jason Kendall back in there. >> Maybe the owner. >> baseball's cooking. The NFL is obviously. absolutely scorching hot right now. >> Scorching hot. >> Baker Mayfield's disrespected. Vita's. got a back tweak he wants out of town.

Tampa Bay, what's going on, Donner? Is. it really the Saints time down in the. NFC South after a couple years of saying. we're going to suck, but that's the way. it is. >> Panthers, they already got the injury. bug though. So, >> well, not only the Panthers with the. injury bug, got an ACL down there, but I. mean, how about everybody else that's. currently starting their trek to the top. of the Lombardi Mountain. You got Chop. Wood, Carrie Water in Philly. You got. Shawn McVey in LA. You got Shitty Grass. in LA with Dallas. There's so much to. talk. We're back tomorrow. Goodbye. What. a lead. What a lead into a break. Just.

what an absolute. >> so much hope for like 30 teams. >> Arizona Cardinals have no hope. >> I don't know. Jacob's kind of slinging. >> He is kind of right now. >> Yeah. So, what two teams are you talking. about then? >> The Bucks. >> Oh, okay. They got Baker Mayfield as a. quarterback. Let's remember that. >> Bad vibes though. Bad. You don't want. bad vibes. >> I mean, horrendous vibes. AJ, he was. wildly transparent there and that was. just, "Hey, how you feeling about the. contract?" Well, that's thanks for.

asking. So. disappointed, a little disrespected, I. think. And then he started talking about. how whenever you compare me to different. quarterbacks that I certainly am allowed. to be compared to, it's just what they. offered versus what I am and where I. think I've earned and what they've said. I am. I think just, you know, a little. bit little bit disappointing, a little. bit disrespectful. It's like, whoa. Okay, that does sound very negative. And. the fact that he was saying it at a. Tampa Bay Buccaneers press conference. after he just got done with Tampa Bay. Buccaneers practice saying this team.

normally operates like that. It's a. bummer, dude. I'm going be honest. It's. kind of stinks how this is all things. going. It's uh it does feel like bad. vibes. But could it be the best Baker. Mayfield because now he's hunting a bag. again and hunting respect and hunting. like uh you know, everything his entire. legacy. It feels like potentially this. is an entire angle by Baker to start. cooking a little bit. Yeah, it's I mean. it's bad vibes right now, but you know, this kind of does underscore what he. said like, "Hey, I'm going to I'll. address all the contract stuff right now. and then I'm not talking about this [ __ ]. again." So, as opposed to having to.

answer these questions for the, you. know, the entire season or the first. like 10 weeks until he says like, "Hey, I'm done. He's, you know, like let's get. all the dirty laundry out there right. away. This gets really bad and then by. the time the season comes, you know, it. probably blows over a little bit." Let's. ask Coach Fangio what he thinks about. Baker's response about Tampa Bay. Buccaneers stuff. >> I'm going to be like Fouchy and just. take the fifth amendment on out. questions. >> This guy, what's what's his problem? You think.

>> I don't understand. >> He doesn't know. Maybe he has maybe it. is fans you over. >> Could be found you over. >> Maybe we could ask a guy on Monday. See. if he takes a fit. >> Did like a 400page document on it. >> 500. >> 500 page. 500 pages. >> Sure. He's not taking a victim. >> Do you mind if I I believe was the. thing? >> Go ahead. >> After consulting with many doctors, having many tests run also Joe Rogan.

[laughter]. >> RFK Jr. >> I have come to the conclusion that my. body and this not good. Now, I will be. taking care of myself and everything. I. have access to a lot of things, but. that's the case. This guy's [ __ ]. killing people. >> What a wild time. >> again. >> Oh yeah, >> I'm done with it. >> He agrees. >> What's going on over there? >> I don't know. This phone is just saying. I'm out of here a couple different. times. [laughter]. What's the deal? Don't want to be a part. of that. That's a pretty big moment in. our life history. I think whenever.

they're going to tell that story being. absolutely buried by the entire globe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This is certainly a part of that. That. was a wild time to be alive, man. That. was a wild time to be alive. And the. good news is it seems like we're only. going to learn more and more. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It sounds like we're going to. learn find out about it all. >> Let's just keep rolling. Let's make sure. we remember for the future though. everything, >> right? That's on us. >> I don't think people are going to forget. >> that. >> I hope not. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. That's. that's kind of on uh. >> No, they tried it again this year with. that one disease and we're like, "No,

we're not doing that again.". >> Okay. So, that's within a couple years. We're talking We got to remember this. We got We. >> I'll write a history book. >> That was crazy time. >> You'll write a history book. I don't. know. Is it gonna be in your serious. voice or is it going to be in your What. is it going to be. >> about what? >> About um taking notes and never. forgetting. the name. I like that. >> Chop wood carry water. Take notes never. forgetting. >> I didn't love that speech. >> The internet loved it. And for serani. I'm happy for him because that is very. rare for anything that you but it it.

covered all the thing. Details, work. hard, you know, buy in. kind of a theme. like every team I would assume has kind. of a coach has kind of a theme going. into each season of what what it's going. to be. >> all the same tenants you know it's just. like how do you deliver the message. which is why books searching AI other. people other coaches because when the. message is not being delivered in a. manner that is uh worthy of paying. attention to it's probably not going to. be heard you know so that was chop would. carry water he said he was sending these.

books to players on the team feels like. as soon as he was reading that seri was. like, "Yes, this is exactly what I'm. looking for." And they'll buy into that. Teams have mantras. >> It's got to be hard. Like, what is he. he's five there, year six there, and. like majority of that team is is they've. been together for so long. So, it's got. to be hard for coaches to be like, "All. right, new year. I got to find a new. message for these guys that have heard. me talk.". >> No, same message. >> Same message, new wording. >> Yeah. New delivery. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's uh work hard details.

>> You're right. You're right. >> Accountability. That is every speech. that is given in any football thing, you. know, buying in. >> That's where college coaches have the. advantage. >> There's no secret. That's what's tough. Like there's no secret to like it's all. like work, consistency. It's all the. boring stuff, but how do you present it. to get the guys to digest it and not. just like, "All right, here we go. again.". >> Chuck Pagano with the Belgium pretzel. >> That was my favorite. I'm like, how? You. must be getting so bored. So bored. Guy. did the a banana split, but he was. Belgium, so they call it the Belgium.

pretzel. He said every time he goes to. wrestle they would expect the Belgian. pretzel. You know they wanted him to do. it pretzel. >> And then one day he didn't do it. He did. something different and got a win and. kept people guessing some message about. [laughter]. you got to take whatever play is there. for you. You don't have to do what you. think is supposed to be done. It's like. I forget what the message was, >> but all I remember just going is that. was the most ridiculous tie in. [laughter]. >> I've ever [ __ ] heard because he was.

trying to chant in German too, I think, for Yeah. Like it was. >> it was unbelievable. And now we know. Chuck a little bit. >> Yeah. >> It's a show up. Well, that's what it is. Yeah. >> Trying to captivate people, you know, especially this generation. They're on. the phone. We're scrolling. We need. 10-second increments of everything. It's. like you got to get up there and reach. people. That is a tough thing to do. and. you know, sorry, but don't and you know. that you're being filmed and this is. going out to the world as well. A lot of. times that that makes it that's a whole. different dynamic for those head. coaches. Like, hey, some of them walk in.

there nervous to speak in front of a. whole team of the coaches, but now, oh, they're going to throw this thing on the. internet and let's see how everybody. responds. >> And those social media teams certainly. have a good sense of feel. >> You heard our. >> man, >> they're bad, dude. It's getting bad. I I. think we have an epidemic here. And I I. I don't want to Nope. I'm not gonna get. into it. Positive vibes going into this. season. >> Yeah. >> Positive vibes going into the season. >> Positive vibes. >> CJ Stra should have never had that. happen to him. >> No. >> Somebody should have looked at that, had.

a little bit of an idea or a thought. like, "Hey, we should protect our. [ __ ] quarterback." Maybe. You know. who had to do it? Paul Wall, baby. >> Mhm. >> Paul Wall had to come into our comment. section in TikTok and say, "We staying. with our brother CJ Stout." Okay. >> Especially when the next day when he. he's walking down the steps and he has. his uniform on, his hats on backwards, and it's like, "Okay, that looks like CJ. Stout. the video you look at, you're. like, why did he wear this outfit? Why. is he walking like that? We can't put. that out. >> Yeah. Bingo. Just like the Russell. Wilson, let's ride. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's like you got to watch that and just. automatically know that boy, this guy's.

going to get [ __ ] smoked. >> F Absolutely [ __ ] fried. It's going. to be an air frying. Okay. Which, by the. way, is operating in the Thunderdome as. we speak right now. AJ, we're taking a. trip back in time, man. Taking a trip. back in time today. >> with an air fryer. >> Yeah. What What was the name of the. pizza? How many sides did it have? Five, six, six-sided. I think it was six-sided. pizza. >> It was on Wednesdays uh in Plum High. School's uh cafeteria. >> Yeah. >> And uh people would sprint down to get. it. We found them on Amazon.

>> We got our hands on them. >> We got our hands. Yeah. So, we're we're. making about 30. >> Mexican pizza day. >> Yeah. Make. >> Oh, that's awesome. >> It was It was titled Mexican Pizza, but. I don't know what necessarily made it. Mexican pizza, but I'll tell you, Wednesday's Mexican Pizza Day moved the. needle. >> I think it's because it's salsa instead. of red sauce. and plum plum high school. maybe it tasted so plum high schoolers. not me I was always a meanderer I I. didn't I was never you know which I did. kind of sometimes wonder why I didn't. want to run like everybody else you know.

I often thought about that. >> you want to conform. >> that's might be a bigger part of the. story here we go into Wednesdays for. lunch anyways people sprinting out of. classrooms to get down here because the. line ends up being long and you might. have to wait eight nine ten minutes to. get your hands on some of this Mexican. pizza So, we found him. We're having it. And Nick doesn't have to punch anybody. or punch any books out or run and sprint. or check them to get this like it is a. normal Wednesday back at Plum High. School. >> We made it, AJ. >> Yeah, we finally made it. >> We did. Look at us. >> You arrived.

>> You know, the strip, you know, basketball when you're late. >> Yeah. Was Nick big on that? Like. knocking books out from behind or. >> I think it's the first time I saw him. Yeah. I think the first time I was like. a freshman walking in. Obviously, the. whole school is under construction. Okay. Plum High School is what it is. A. lot of people know me because of the. soccer [ __ ] You know what's going to. happen. I'm walking in there a little. bit nervous, a little anxiety, and I I. legitimately think it was the first. [ __ ] set of stairs. I think it was. the first set of was like right in front. of me. Boom. Guy punched it out [ __ ]. Nick's. books go flying. >> He was giving swirlies, peeing in.

people's lock. >> I'm like, "Oh my god, dude." I'm like, "Oh my god, I got. >> What did you do?" Laugh in his face. after he does that. >> Yeah, it was like out of a In my head, it was like a movie. I don't know what. happened in real life. I don't know what. happened in real life, but like I was. like, "All right, never walking around. with books, you know? Those books went. right in the locker. I've never brought. those things out one time. Not going to. be dealing with that. Yeah, right. >> They That was when they banned the. backpacks. It was what had to be done. >> Yeah. Oh, you're standing against. authority trying to take away our. freedoms of having a backpack. >> Yeah. I loved having that backpack. That. was a nice place to keep all your.

things. And then once they took that. away is everyone had to carry everything. around their hands. You'd see people. carrying around stuff. >> I remember a couple kids had some lists. in our school. So, people wanted. backpacks to not be around because, you. know, uh those types of things. That was. a big day for me when I found out from. Guy that I was not on his list from two. years ago. That was so cool to find your. happy Gilmore moment. >> That was. >> it was that was real. That actually. happened AJ. That was that was a [ __ ]. crazy thing. >> Kid leaves school obviously to go get. him. >> uh he goes to you know mental hospital.

or whatever comes back similar but. clearly different. you know, I just go. up and start talking to him like, "Excuse me, I just need to know, you. know, I've been thinking about this.". Told me I was good. That was so fun. That was such a good day. And then I. want to start rattling off like other. people's names like, "All right, tell me. about uh Star Monster." Star Mon, >> he was Yeah. Okay. Got it. Uh Tone Digs, you know. Yeah. Okay. He's a little. younger. Okay. How about Nick? Did he. Oh, yeah. Got it.

>> Right at the top. >> I only bullied my friends. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't It didn't look. like that the first time I saw it, but I. mean, uh, that is how you have to do it. And nowadays, you can't bully cuz, you. know, >> you shouldn't. [laughter]. >> You can't bully because you should. >> You can't bully cuz you shouldn't. You're right. >> That's real. I remember having some real. anxiety walking in that place and then. seeing that like the first thing being. like, "Oh, [ __ ] Here we go, dude. We. are in it right now." Had my shaved legs. and my hair, you know, spiked I was.

right in the middle of my s tanning, you. know. That's beginning of school year, too. I'm in the best shape that I've. ever. >> just looked like the biggest, hey, [ __ ]. this guy [laughter]. walking in, you know. Yep. >> Yeah, there was a lot of that. It just, oh my god, I'm going to get murdered. around here. >> Plum High School, you know. >> I think you get through there, especially in our time. I I do feel it. was quite a feat. You know, there's a. lot of distractions, a lot of. possibilities, a lot of opportunities. >> Ball is ball. >> That's right. And we did it. >> Shot to the Mustangs.

That was your motto. >> What's that? Our mot we're all mustangs. here. >> We're all Mustangs here. >> We're all Mustangs here. >> We're big. >> That's obviously that's the one. What do. you say? Players play ballers ball. I. thought that was on the outside of the. school. >> That was secondary motto. >> Yeah. And we didn't know that was the. model until we left and looked back and. we're like, you know what? That's. [ __ ] where ballers ball and players. play. >> Mhm. >> Got it. >> I did read an article. Um it was sent to. me in a screenshot version by Drew. Shafino talking about, and this is a. very niche group of people are going to. know what we're talking about here. Club. Jets, which is under 21 club. So, we had.

in the East Hills of Pittsburgh, multiple under 21 clubs whenever we were. teenagers. And uh I don't know if that's. a normal thing. Like, did you did you. guys have that? >> That wasn't really a thing in Iowa. Maybe a couple places like certain bars. would do like, you know, teen nights or. whatever, but no, not like a place that. was dedicated to like under 21. >> AJ, did you did you do uh did you guys. have under 21 clubs? >> Yeah, they did have some. And then they. got to give you the big X's on your your. hands if you're not 21.

>> Yeah. No, I'm talking only. So you. didn't have any There's no booze. No one. was 14 going 13 14 going into Club Quake. which was in uh Monroeville and then. Club Jets was over at Harmerville. Drew. Shafino great hooper. He wrote an. article about it. Somebody screenshotted. center of me. It was a nice trip back in. time. Shout out to Pittsburgh man. I. cannot wait to get back there for. training camp. Now granted that's late. train ball part of St. Vincent. University. It's not necessarily. Pittsburgh, but like uh such a football.

community, such a football town. And us. going to training camp, I think it's. going to start feeling even more real. >> Like, hey, we're [ __ ] in it right. now. >> Especially, it sounds like this Steelers. training camp, like there's going to be. ample juice. >> First day of pads, there's going to be. some popping anxiety. Like we just. talked about walking into high school. and you watch Nick just bully somebody. immediately. It's like there's be a. little bit of juice, a little bit of. anxiety. Even for tenure vets like TJ. Watt, first day of pads always brings a. little bit of uh extra something. Coach. McCarthy's first full day of pads as a. Pittsburgh Steeler coach. Obviously, a.

lot of people back in Pittsburgh have. been talking about how big of a Yinszer. he is, how long he's been a Yinszer, and. how much he loves representing the. Steelers. And we mentioned it earlier. and I saw it got a little bit of run on. the internet. There was no juice at that. practice last year. I mean, AJ, I don't. want to talk out of pocket because. obviously we like Aaron and Aaron's. quarterback and everything like that, but I don't think the quarterback is. necessarily the person that's bringing. juice at practice. You know, the. quarterback's got a lot of [ __ ] going. on. It felt like there was no juice on. the field. And it I guess we kind of. just, oh, they're super professional.

here. Like, oh, it's just kind of do. your job, kind of keep it moving. But. the more I thought about it, it was. like, man, I I don't know if I'd even be. able to stand on that field. >> It was so hot, too. >> Hot, quiet. Yeah. It was like I it was. just a weird. >> big mic change practices to the morning. >> Yeah, because of how hot it is actually. and he's probably heard a lot of. complaints. I assume he heard from a lot. of people about what would be best and. he obviously has his own ideas, his own. system. He's won a lot of football. games, but it's like that juice last. year was pal the lack of juice was. palpable most. AJ,

>> it was a weird at I mean my first time. ever being there, but yeah, I remember. going to Bengals camp when I was a young. kid. Um I forget what college it was. they went to now that Georgetown College. they would go to. I remember watching. those guys run from drill to drill. Like. there was a ton of juice there. It felt. like at least as a youngster for me. So. yeah, seeing that at Pittsburgh was was. it's also like the the setting too. Like. what a what a unique historical place. that they go and all the people like it. is they have a special thing going on. I. I would imagine Big Mike and the boys. have everything really amped up over.

there. >> I think so too. And I think they're all. all in. I think everybody's like really. excited for everything that Coach. McCarthy has brought. Not that and we. just talked about messaging. I mean. Coach Tomlin was there for so long. So, like, you know, he he steps away uh at. the end of last season abruptly out of. nowhere seemingly, but I think a lot of. Steelers fans were potentially excited. for maybe a next chapter. I think he is. as well. He'll do good on TV. We know. that he's a great speaker, but. McCarthy's come in and just like we. talked about, he's super diligent, man. Coach McCarthy is a super diligent guy. He was with us. It appears that's the.

case everywhere. And uh if he wins in. Pittsburgh, oh, he's already got McCarthy Avenue over in. Green Bay. >> Sure. Sure. >> He has that in Pittsburgh. He [ __ ]. died with a smile on his face is what he. said. >> I assume that's what he would say. We. don't want him to die, but I'm just. saying that's that's what he would say. >> Yeah, he would. And that would be. awesome. I AJ, I did want to ask you. about because he came out um they're not. going to live tackle um in camp. He said. he learned a lot about his first time. coaching as in Green Bay that there's a.

lot of live tackling. Did you see him. say that? >> I did see him say that. I was a bit. surprised. I mean, I think I've told you. guys on the show, like Mike came in and. told us years, like my first year in. Green Bay was his first year in Green. Bay as well, his first time as head. coach, and he told us a couple years. He's like, "Well, I should have been. throwing the drill how I'll practice you. guys early." [laughter] Like, when he. first got there, how we used to like it. was it was pre-lockout. So, I think my. first five years before the the lockout. situation, so there wasn't the rules. really on training camp. So, first. practice was 8 a.m. full pads. Second. practice was 6:30 p.m. full pads. huge.

chunk of time, no nap time, just lifting. in meetings for all day long. Yeah, it. was it was a great for me it was a great. like introduction to the NFL like, "All. right, this is this is what we're. doing." And then there was never a. question of whether we're wearing pads. or not either. It was like, "Yeah, what. are you talking about? It's football.". >> Yeah. And I like that Mike McCarthy has. been able to change, you know, like I. think he cuz you look at him, you hear. him talk, you think this guy definitely. stuck in his ways, definitely whatever. And it's like I feel like he is vastly. different than anything you could just.

expect. Mark Kaboli, our correspondent. on the Pittsburgh Steelers beat, he. says, "Hey, just chill out. Jeez. Steelers catching up with the times by. not tackling at camp. You don't think. Mike McCarthy is a tough guy? He's a. tough guy. We don't need to be taking. people to the ground." Okay, here in. training camp, we got an old roster. We. got a lot of guys who made a lot of. tackles in games. Let's assume they'll. be able to tackle. And I saw the local. people saying if we can't tackle worth. the [ __ ] the first couple weeks this is. all on [ __ ] McCarthy. I think that is.

what they're saying. >> thousand% and if that does happen that. will 100% will be uh said a million. times on public radio public sports. radio the entire day but yeah I mean. this is I mean majority of the teams I. feel like this. >> I don't know. >> still hitting you're still hitting say. we're not hitting there's still plenty. of contact but you don't have I mean if. you want to thud and drive your feet on. a ball carrier yeah but to say you're. not going to the ground I understand. >> was playing linebacker yesterday. >> AJ do you think uh because nobody's. saying AJ do you get excited whenever. watch a little film to maybe put that.

riddle right onto somebody's Adam's. apple again. Do you think about that? Maybe a Cobra strikes somebody, especially with all these highlights. we're seeing from around camp. These. boys are getting after it. They're. thing. They're throwing helmets. They're. fighting. They're scrapping. I mean, it's early, but are you getting jacked. up? Uh, you know, just 20 years ago. today, you signed your your big deal. with Green Bay Packers. You get jacked. up to go [ __ ] Cobra strike somebody. again, AJ, right now when you see these. >> No, I'm not I'm realistic. I understand. I'm not going to be doing that with. anybody at the time, but we there's. something about this time of year. This.

is this actually made me feel good about. the Bengals. You know, the Bengals have. been they've had a slow start these last. what two, three, four years, whatever it. is. Maybe this is what they need. Maybe. this is what they need a little. instigator on the defense to get the. offense going. >> I'll tell you what, Davis certainly. instigator not only here with Jamar. Chase and he said uh afterwards that he. wants to fight every day. [ __ ] if that's. what's happening. He also just was a. backpack on Gassiki as well. And there's. a little bit of a a little bit of a. sprawl and a. >> a little bit of a scrum there. Joey. Burrow and Dexter Lawrence shared some.

words. There's Davis 35 on top again. trying to strip sack him. Not even. wearing pads. They're wearing uh skelly. right there, I think. Uh and he's going. taking him to the ground. I love it. And. obviously if they didn't want him to be. doing that, they'd be telling him to. stop. And then Dexter Lawrence and Joey. Burrow, I can't wait to see it today. You see it every day. It's like, wow, the defense has kind of been the problem. in Cincinnati. Now, it feels like the. defense starting day one is trying to. change that narrative. Actually, we're. kind of the ones around here. But if it. gets a week one, two, three, four, and. they're just getting 50 to 49 games. A.

lot of people are going to wonder why 35. is starting fights with the. [ __ ] that are actually doing. good. [laughter]. You know that people are going to people. are going to wonder that, you know, and. I assume that's what Jamar Chase and. everybody's wondering, too. Like, who. the [ __ ] what what are we doing here? You're coming after us. No, no, no. You. guys need to I like the attitude. If it. works, I love it. >> But if it doesn't, there's going to be a. lot of like Do you remember when. >> Hell yeah. >> Jamar Chase is maybe our best player and. Jaylen Davis is trying to fight him the.

first day of training camp. Like people. are going to say that if it doesn't. work, but I feel like I like the. mentality from this defense saying it is. our job to carry this team. And maybe if. they're able to piece it together, that. AFC North is up for grabs, AJ. And a lot. of people saying that Tone Digs is. scared of the big bad Cincinnati. Bengals. >> That would be a wild accusation. >> They're saying they're scared. >> Would it? >> You're watching those highlights going. they're not even tackling in Pittsburgh. anymore. >> Been a two team division for two. decades. >> Joe Burrow made Super Bowl. He's won.

Aaron winning a Super Bowl. >> He did. He did. That was that one year. Yeah. >> You're not wrong. They're back to doing what they do. though. >> But a little sense of urgency would be. nice because I think everyone knows, hey, if we don't win this year, then our. head coach is getting [ __ ] canned. DC's. probably following him. And who knows, this might just be the ticking time bomb. on Joe Burrow wanting to get the [ __ ]. out of C. >> No, >> there's a chance. >> God, it's not a full red emergency 911. situation. I think they're going to play.

good. They got a 10 and a half overunder. at DraftKings. Pittsburgh Steelers eight. and a half. >> People love the Bengals this year. They. are the trendy pick to to win a Super. Bowl. >> I like that they're fighting. >> 10 and a half. >> It's a lot of wins. >> Yeah, it seems like a lot. >> Baltimore Ravens new head coach 11 and a. half. Where the hell. are the Cleveland Browns? [laughter]. Five and a half. Who's playing QB? AJ, because did you hear what Mike Tanbomb.

told us? He said, "You got to cut ties. with this Deshawn Watson. I don't care. how much you're paying him. Get him out. of town. He's not gonna be on your. roster next year. Put Shador in there. right now. Let's learn about what we. have." How do you feel about that. situation? And five and a half. overunder. They're getting a lot of. chatter, which is very abnormal, I. think, for a team with five and a half. over under. >> Yeah, there is a lot of chatter, but I. when I heard Tan Bomb say that, it did. make me like kind of reconsider how I've. been looking at the Browns situation. here. Like I thought, yeah, of course, Deshawn will most likely be the guy and. they hope they can ride him. and hope.

he's he plays well. If not, you plug. Shador in there, give him some energy, and he becomes the dude. But to think. that Shador could be the guy from day. one, I I don't know. When Tanom said. that, I'm thinking, all right, you might. be on to something there. If you feel. like Shador is equipped to be your guy, to be your franchise quarterback moving. forward, then why not throw him in there. early? >> Well, it's kind of how I feel about. Nando. You know, like we heard what. Coach Kubak said out there in Las Vegas. He said, "It's competition. Best players. going to play." He didn't come out and. say, "Kurt Cousins is definitely our. starter. They're gonna kind of slow roll.

Fernando. He came out and said, "Best. player is going to play. It's going to. be obvious. You'll be able to see it. That's what I believe in." I think. source. close are saying, "Yeah, it's a. competition. It's just they like each. other. Obviously, they're getting along. Both sides want everybody to be good, but I think it's been made clear that. whoever is the best player is going to. play." So, you assume that's Kirk. Cousins who has the current lead because. he's played a lot of NFL football and. obviously was brought in there to do. that. You assume Kirk is going to. continue to do well. But if Fernando, who's 6' 100, number one overall pick, is slicing and dicing in practice and.

figuring it out and picking it all up, you do wonder when they're going to say, "Hey, we got to get him reps, too. We. got to get his ass out here." Because. that's always the constant dilemma. Do. you want them to get to the better time. to get onto the field or do you want. them to learn and become the better time. sooner? You know, do you need reps? Yes. Do we want them to be bad reps though. that kill their confidence when they're. not ready? No. Okay. So finding that. time, I don't think anybody's ever. gotten it perfectly right, but you would. certainly say, well, New England got it. right with Tom. Feels like that was a. perfect amount of time behind Drew.

Aaron was perfect amount of time behind. Brett Favre. You know, you'd be able to. say those types of situations that I. have. Patrick Mahomes behind Alex Smith. was a good time just because it worked. out. But Pton Manning started his first. year, was terrible, and then obviously. he becomes much better much quicker and. carries a franchise to relevance and. success for the first time ever. So, who. knows how it's going to work out, but he. said better players going to play it. tonight. >> Yeah, definitely. And it, you know, I. mean, I feel like in these situations a. lot of times in the past, they don't. want to throw the rookie in there cuz. they're worried about like the offensive. line being [ __ ] and him just getting.

beaten to hell back there and losing all. of his confidence. They spent a shitload. of money on their offensive line. Like, I don't know if that's necessarily going. to, you know, hamper like I I can't see. if he starts that Fernando Mendoza would. take 80 sacks. Now, if he doesn't know. the playbook as well as Kurt Cousins, obviously you're not going to throw him. out there, but from everything we've. seen and you know, we've talked to him. plenty of times, like I just I don't. know if you get any indication that he. is not prepared to start week one if he. needs to. >> A lot of drama around the NFL. A lot of.

drama in MLB. >> Yeah, >> we got WNBA on the back half of their. season. A. >> lot of drama in that, too. >> A lot of drama. Maybe less drama. Maybe. >> We'll see. >> I I don't know. >> Be a friend. Tell a friend something. nice. might change your life. We're in. this thing together. We're back. tomorrow. We can't thank all of. >> you. >> enough for allowing us to do this for a. living. All of you. >> are the greatest people on earth. All. right, AJ. We appreciate you. Team on. me. Team on three for the good of sport, baby. 1 2 3. Goodbye.