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happening around the NFL college ball we. got signings we got coaches we got. general managers we got rumors we got. this we got that we have a fantastic. show today Michael Lombardi will be. joining us in about 20 minutes he's. currently the general manager for the. University of North Carolina tarhill. football team how's life in college B on. but also he is a guy that's pretty. plugged in basically everywhere around. the NFL what's he hearing especially. about that Raiders job you know Michael. Lombardi speaks about the the Raiders a.

lot CU that's where he got to start and. I think he has so much uh respect and. appreciation for the Davis family and. everything that Al did for him and the. Raiders as a whole and what he's been. seeing out of him the last couple years. he says this is crap MH this he says. that Raiders fans get mad at him I think. they hate him but now his guy uh Tom. Brady is one of the owners in running. everything so it's like I feel like. Lombardi is going to be pretty dowed in. on what's going on there how about all. the other coaching hires what about all. the other general manager hires that. need to take place what does paon say. about any of it we will talk to him in. about 19 minutes I cannot wait to hear.

from him last week had his hair a little. disheveled he did oh yeah looked like he. was in the middle of it a little bit. FaceTime with him this morning feels. like he's okay feels like he's found uh. back in it yeah he's found air you know. he's back because they have a lot to do. in a very short amount of time is they. try to uh you know kind of get used to. the college football lifestyle we'll be. joined by Sham shirani in a second hour. okay basketball's happening sure yeah. yeah it it must be oh patries are in. Paris today we we o we B Pacers on Pari.

you know like there is a lot going on. here uh Tyrese Alberton king of Paris. this past summer as you recall didn't uh. sweat one time but he still walked out. of there with gold midal no big deal he. was having a blast happy birthday fifth. you know the whole thing was happening. for Tyrese H Burton taking on W in his. home country I believe Netflix is also. having a docu series released at some. point about the Olympics where they go. into the locker room of the French and. the Americans and serbians and. everything like that so I think. basketball is kind of happening. especially internationally today 2:00 on. on NBA TV okay everybody has that.

everybody has that and I believe they're. playing again on Saturday uh and I think. that one's going to be on ESPN but. basketball is happening we'll talk to. Sham shirani about the drama yeah have. to Jimmy Butler din in Miami remember. Shams came out and said hey Jimmy Butler. wants out of Miami okay breaking and. then Jimmy Butler's agent say Shams is. the new guy on block he don't know. anything yeah try to discredit Shams oh. yeah try to bury Shams Shams in a new. location a new network at a new senior. role and this guy tried to bury sham and. all Shams they was sit in the pocket and.

say n my sources are good it's been. triple stamped double stamped Jimmy. wants out of there and as it kind of. unfolds Jimmy wants out and it's getting. ugly he talked on uh first take this. morning about how it's like a divorce. you know right now it's just like is. this going to be a messy divorce or are. they going to figure out how to make. this happen Jimmy missed the plane. happens he was playing on showing up on. his own plane you know it's nice to him. yeah he's got he's been suspended nine. games over the last two weeks by Pat. Riley and Miami Heat or whatever so this. is basically a sham story from day one.

even though his agent and everybody else. Pat Riley even I think everybody tried. to bury Shams Shams just kind of you. know stayed in the pocket kind of taken. it all and now only elevated himself. which we're proud of Shams because we. known him since they won he'll join us. in a second hour and then Daniel. Jeremiah of NFL Network Mr move the. sticks a draft analyst and Scout. formerly in the NFL now in the media. World he'll do the play-by-play of the. combine with the rich eyes and will be. joining us in a second I'm going to ask. him some questions I have everybody's. talking toxic T here at BOS con at one.

after for the hammer Cowboys Apton is. here all the finalists for the awards. that juvo LE up yeah they are 36 years. as a football coach 18 in college 18 in. the NFL Chuck B here B Chuck everybody's. talking about this uh borgonzi quote in. Brinker quote uh down there in Tennessee. now banzi has been brought in as the. general manager Brinker is the president. of football operation banzi is handling. the draft and free agency Brinker is the. one that's going to cut it down to the. final 53 they're very tight they're on.

the same page Brinker was on a local. radio station with Ramone Foster and a. few others and this is what he had to. say about that number one overall pick. that they have are you going to trade it. or are you going to utilize that pick. that you have down there in Tennessee. here's the president of football. operations for the Tennessee Titans Chad. Brinker yeah we got to look at all the. options but the one thing I will say if. there's a generational Talent you don't. pass that up you can't pass that up and. then if we feel that there's a. generational Talent right there a what.

we call Blue player a guy that is a. franchise type player the player that. tips the field in your favor every time. they step on the field like you cannot. you cannot pass that up um but we'll. also look at all the options not only at. the number one overall pick but in all. the rounds I mean we got to we got to. see what the value is we got to see. what's on the table we got to you know. do what's best for the Tennessee Titans. and helping us build a you know a. football team that that can sustain over. time and uh and like I I mean I've.

emphasized how important the draft is. that the core of this roster is going to. be built through the draft um uh so yeah. those we're looking at all those options. very interesting you know he was brought. in in 2023 Callahan was brought in last. year now the GM banzi out of Boston's. been brought in uh you know this year so. everybody's at different times allegedly. B ganzi and Brinker on the same page. they'll be the ones creating the roster. what's that mean for Callahan we shall. see but a once- in a generation type. player potentially at number one now. this has obviously sent Ripple effects. through it all and we'll talk to D know. Jeremiah in a second was is that Travis.

Hunter is he talking about Abdul Carter. who who's the once in generation player. that we're potentially missing or not. thinking about and how come every time. they talk about quarterbacks it's cam. Ward shador Sanders insert name of. quarterback insert name of quarterback. insert name of quarterback and there's. never a will Howard what am I missing. about will Howard in this entire ever. since you told me to take a peek at him. a week ago 10 days ago and I took a peek. at him and then I watched him you know. watch you guys on the man cat guys.

crushed it again obviously the numers. speak for numbers speak for themselves. you know but uh anyway I know you don't. like any flowers being thrown at you. guys and than let's keep it moving yes. but yeah um he was absolutely just. incredible in that game and he's played. so well and I don't I don't know I don't. I don't see it he just big the metrics. were all there right's 6'4 235 240 lbs. mobile enough he can get out of Harm's. Way quarterback runs certainly accurate.

got the arm Talent make all the throws. yeah why not a a big smart physical I. mean and and a dog and a guy that. apparently like all those studs around. him like they love him and they play for. him so that's the biggest thing like. generational Talent uh Brinker's talking. about it like I got very lucky no pun. intendant you know when I got the job. here in India 2012 Andrew Luck sitting. there right yeah we're going to pass on. Andrew no generational talent to say the.

least right um yeah so if there's a guy. there and this this may be the guy after. they do the vetting process I don't see. why this guy I think a tone you got him. wearing the fourth I got a couple times. in the that's what I'm saying talk to D. Jeremiah about this so I don't I don't. know what I'm missing and me neither and. I've already set the table with Daniel. Jeremiah like hey I just want to let you. know's some heat coming you know cuz all. you draft experts have left this guy out. I just want to know why I I just want. he's liked by his teammates he's big he. shows up on the biggest stage and he was.

on our show just cool he's one of the. lads awesome he's one of the lads I I. don't I don't fully get it now granted. shador can spin it and obviously his dad. is one of the greatest football players. of all time one of the greatest athletes. of all time and we've seen him have to. grow and he's been very mature for a. while I'm not saying anything against. shador I'm not saying anything against. cam Ward he's played a lot of football. obviously went down to Miami changed. their entire culture and did a great job. this season and he led an offense that. was very explosive not say anything. about cam but just a lack of respect at. all for will Howard I I don't doesn't. make any sense because he's being.

treated as somebody that's like 5'11. he's being treated as somebody that's. like 5'10 maybe he doesn't have the. physical stats to be able to keep up. with all the stuff he's been able to do. on the field but he's huge he's gigantic. he can run I I I don't this one doesn't. make any sense and I guess it's going to. be because he's surrounded by talent but. when he was at Kansas State he's the. final year he wasn't he was a big 12. Player of the Year and that's over Quinn. ERS that's over everybody in Texas. that's whenever you know Oklahoma's in a. big 12 obviously West Virginia was in a. big 12 so somehow he won player of the. year over everybody that was with the. MERS it's like this guy's a good player.

he played a lot of ball seems to be cool. I just want to hear from Danel Jeremiah. we'll talk to him in the next hour well. in this trying to by Talent thing like. sure you can get that but shadur Sanders. they're talking about Travis Hunter. being that generational player number. one and shadur play with him so I don't. know why that isn't a conversation at I. want it comes to him and I believe some. of the other wide receivers for Colorado. they're pegged to be draft you know. second third round too so they're great. players and then you think about cam. Ward like sure ACC maybe he didn't go up. against the best guys but also he was. thrown to you know Restrepo and stpo is. considered to be the greatest Miami he.

has the most yards most receptions most. touchdowns I think for a wide receiver. in Miami history yeah and he's. considered like one of the top slot. receivers you know and we've seen how. some of these slot receivers lab makoni. have done in the NFL so it's not like. he's throwing to slouches either so it. doesn't really make sense but you know. that just happens with guys like that. who transfer and then have one good year. and you know you can throw Chip Kelly. into that too yeah had two good years. though the Kansas State he was like he. had Kansas State in it and I guess the. Big 12 doesn't get talked about that way. you know I guess it doesn't even though.

Arizona State took Texas to the wire mhm. it legitimately took him to the wire. they the champion came out of nowhere. BYU I think could have held their own. against a lot of different teams Big 12. obviously loses Texas and Oklahoma and. everybody thinks that they're a weaker. conference or whatever it's like this. dude was great at Kansas State that's. why Miami wanted them that's why Ohio. State wanted them and then he goes into. a system that is obviously uh more. conducive for him to be a pocket passer. because of all the weapons they have he. has he hasn't even really showcased his. running he started through during the. playoffs there but like. he I don't get it I don't get maybe.

that's the thing maybe because of the. evolution of the quarterback and the. quarterback play and you see so the. Lamar Jacksons and and whatnot the type. of offense that people want to run maybe. that's maybe that's got a little bit of. but he can he can move he can move but I. don't see him moving like those guys. move like Lamar moves and some of these. guys running the rpos and the read. option The Zone read I see some. quarterback run some traps some Powers. he's big he can get the third and ones. like Josh Allen um yeah.

some yeah he is pretty good not bad. Wyoming 240 you also you also said it. like them like the whole big 12 thing. like he he didn't play in that big 12. that everyone's like it's not like Texas. and Oklahoma were in the Big 12 and he. was the big 12 Player of the Year and. also for all like the talent you still. have to show up they beat three top five. teams in a row when he was the. quarterback like that I don't know I. mean I I still think I think he's going. to go to the combine and just absolutely. light it on fire not just in the. interviews but I think it's going to. come out that he's a much better athlete.

than people give him credit for as well. I think so too I can't wait to talk to. Daniel Jeremiah in the next hour about. it all uh big news today all the. finalists for the awards have been. announced congrats to the AP getting. that done congrats congrats to AP tone. getting your votes in offensive player. of the year is obviously a massive one. because this is normally goes to the. person that isn't a quarterback uh cuz. the quarterback normally going to win. the MVP we all assume saquan Barkley is. going to win this but hey could be any. body else could be and Josh Allen not.

even being a finalist for the offensive. player of the year tells you a little. something something too about this uh. entire voting process Lamar Jackson. finalist for offens Player of the Year. finalist for NFL MVP as well which is. Josh Allen saquon Barkley Joe burrow. Jared gof Lamar Jackson these are not in. any order these are just a list of the. finalists and then Defensive Player of. the Year obviously was announced Zach. Bond getting in there shout out to him. having a massive year miles Garrett Trey. Hendrickson pater II and T J White.

getting in there and then comeback. Player of the Year also finalists were. announced and this is a big one this is. a conversation because Joe burrow. obviously injured came back JK Dobbins. injured came back Christian Gonzalez. missed 13 games came back dear Hamlin I. think we all know what happened with it. within the last two years I guess it. wasn't last season Sam darnold that was. active I believe for 17 games last year. so didn't have any injuries any sickness. any death potentially that is also on. this list within the last two years but.

he is on the comeback Player of the Year. finalist list so let's go to AP tone. tone why do you think that is the case. and what do you think inevitably ends up. happening with this particular award um. so this over the last two years I. believe it was Gino Smith um and then. Joe flacko neither of those guys were. coming back from injury uh they were. coming back from you know they just. weren't playing whether it wasn't good. they were old circumstances situations. happened we all know when Joe flacko one. over Demar Hamlin there was a lot of.

people talking even Joe Flaco said like. hey not comeback Player of the Year. Demar Hamlin's comeback player of the. year yeah come back from what ubering my. around he said um so then there was the. the AP kind of put out earlier this year. you know the kind of how the the award. the rule should have been taken the. spirit of the award is to honor a player. who has demonstrated resilience in the. face of adversity by overcoming illness. physical injury or other circumstances. that led him to misplaying time the prev. season now other circumstances I guess.

you can take that however you want but. you know a lot of AP voters um took the. spirit of the word be overcoming like an. injury illness something like that not. just you know not playing not but he's a. finalist I see him as a finalist or not. as many AP voters as we had thought. decided to put the guy who didn't play. just because he wasn't starter and then. now he plays great into the comeback. Player of the Year you AP people got are. you guys all on the same page over there. what's going on it doesn't feel like it. I I'm not allowed to uh reveal who I.

voted for yet um or the top five I don't. believe uh but you know I asked the AP. about it um and this you know situation. as far as Sam darnold goes and they said. you know everyone in the NFL is eligible. for comeback Player of the Year unless. you're rookie because you weren't in the. NFL last year um but we hope the voters. you know take the spirit of the W as as. how how it should okay so we should um. we should assume with that message being. sent multiple times from the AP that. although Sam darnold is certainly a. finalist here um and tone won't give.

away his votes no he won't but as. somebody who's been very lucky enough to. ride alongside an AP voter they've. changed this this year like this is a. this year change thing so whenever the. sports books had Sam darn as the. favorite to win the entire thing because. how he's playing they were going off. what previous awards were like people. were taking their bets Sports books were. accepting the bets you name it and then. once again had to come out and say hey. what the voters are being told is it's. not like you stink now you're good again. it's like hey did you go through some. [ __ ] and now you're back so we can.

assume that's what the award's going to. be and who it's going to go to yeah and. I tweeted it out earlier in the year. when I saw that he was a favorite like I. I said I think the sports books this is. kind of misleading to people um you know. a lot of people reply with that other. circumstances are that he was on the. Jets the Jeff draft him that's you know. that's that's pretty big other. circumstan things like that I mean yeah. the more we learn Yeah the more we learn. it is tough circumstances argue that. yeah I agreed brick Johnson comes in. there tells you you stink it's going to. be tough to respond for it's like when. you're playing Call of Duty and a guy in.

the lobby says something that hits a. little bit too close to home that's. brick Johnson football you know and then. I think brick Johnson is a motivator I. think if we understand the story from. the New York Times is athletic he wants. to celebrate people and everything I. assume he didn't just crush Sam darnold. but I guess you could other. circumstances into this guy was in a. terrible situation you could if if you. wanted to not pay attention to the. spirit of the of the award sure but you. have to like this is a two-horse race. it's JK Dobbins and you know Joe burrow. and I'm a Christian Gonzalez guy but. like J JK Dobbins and Joe burrow unless.

I'm mistaken haven't really won any All. Pro or anything this year so like I feel. like it's sometimes with these Awards. like they're almost you know rewarding. guys when they don't get rewarded in. other places like Joe burrow had an. unbelievable season is he really going. to win nothing like you would assume. they're going to give him there's a. chance Squan wins nothing yeah yeah. there's a CH which that's why to that. point that's why it's like hey he's. going to win offensive player of the. year because he can't just wi well what. if Josh Allen wins the MVP then Lamar. Jackson wins nothing well yeah yeah. there's a chance if Lamar Jackson wins.

the MVP which all pro football writers. association of America has deemed Lamar. Jackson the MVP I didn't do enough. research on how much that matches up. with the AP I should have first team All. Pro quarterback though Lamar Jackson. which is WR on by the same AP people. that are voting for the awards so let's. assume Lamar Jackson's winning the MVP. so Josh Allen doesn't win the MVP again. he's not up for offens player of the. year right he's up yeah so Josh Allen. has another 40 plus touchdown year uh. has led his team again uh has he want. three rushing touchdowns three passing.

touchdowns week 13 or 14 first time ever. that has happened to quarterback having. the year he's having with the roster. he's having he's going to win nothing. you know he's going to end up with. nothing in this entire thing so maybe. the Super Bowl Bingo which he which he'd. say hey I don't need that other track. well just like saquon would say as well. if the Eagles were able to do that how. do you feel about these particular games. this weekend we want to uh NFL Plus. premium NFL pro and found some of the. matchups and stat that they think are. worthy of being a conversation let's.

start with the NFC game here let's start. with the commanders taking on the. Philadelphia Eagles uh the commanders. led the NFL in scoring with 34 points. per game in the playoffs thus far while. the Eagles are only allowing 16 points. per game in the playoffs both teams have. an NFL best plus six turnover. differential in the playoffs entering. the NFC championship game how do you. feel about this what does this stat tell. you it says uh commanders are scoring a. lot but the Eagles aren't letting people. score that's why they make it to the NFC. Championship Game these people uh yeah. but let's look at the last game regular.

season week 16 commanders versus Eagles. okay down in uh Washington DC yep I. think that was 3633 it was commanders. high scoring off and he threw five. touchdown passes who Jaden Daniels. speaking of Jaden Daniels is the first. rookie quarterback to have multiple. playoff games with multiple passing. touchdowns and his. 116.2 playoff passer rating is the best. bu a rookie quarterback in a postseason. in NFL. history this guy's special man him and.

Cliff Kingsbury seing the field very. well let's go to another one here this. one's about saquan Barkley saquan. Barkley is averaging 162 rushing yards a. game in the 2024 playoffs which is the. most by a player in a single postseason. in NFL history some historic players in. this particular Ro uh he went for 150. and 146 in the games against commanders. this year his over under on rush yards. in this uh championship game is 130. which is the highest over under rush. yards player has ever had and here's a. big one uh great stat there from tone.

the E have the League's top ranked. scoring and Total Defense including. playoffs entering Conference. Championship week teams with the number. one scoring and Total Defense entering. Conference Championship match up at home. are 4-0 over the last 20 Seasons so it. hasn't happened often but when it does. happen normally very good for the team. you got a good defense you're going to. win games especially whenever it matters. absolutely excuse me I didn't mean to. run or up but pretty good uh you know. formula this time of year is being able. to run the ball stop the run and pack a. defense right and and Philly can do all. that okay own's point I mean saquan had.

four touchdowns two touchdowns in each. of those games as well yeah against the. commander run the ball stop the run. that's what everybody says whenever it. matters especially in Philadelphia this. weekend it's going to be cold not that. Washington isn't used to that but it's. going to be bad weather can you run the. rock you know you don't have to get you. don't have to put it through the sky. especially in bad weather you could be. able to run it you're good when games. matter it's old school football always. has been yeah and there are other stats. about how the Eagles defense held the uh. commanders to like 30 something rush. yards or something along those lines and. when you think about cosmi they're kind.

of starting guard in the middle of that. defense or that offense going up against. the you know J best D tackle and. football Jaylen Carter that's a huge. mismatch for them let's go to the AFC. here from NFL Plus premium Pro uh the. Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes playoff. matchups have averaged 63.7 combined. points per game Five Points more than. any other quarterback matchups that have. occurred at least three times since. 1950 they end up showing up in the. biggest games these two the Josh Allen. stats although he's 0 and three in the. playoffs against Patrick Mahomes very.

good yes he plays very well this is like. whenever people were bearing Kirk. Cousins for so long in the Prime Time. games and you look at the stats it's. like Kirk actually balling just so. happens to be playing against a great. quarterback on the other side Josh Allen. same situation here in the playoffs. against Patrick Mahomes is this the year. is this the year speaking of Patrick. Mahomes Patrick Mahomes looking to join. Tom Brady 10 and John Elway five as the. only starting quarterbacks in NFL. history to reach a Super Bowl five times. he's 29 years old he's 29 years crazy. unbelievable Josh Allen after recording.

a career low 22 design runs during the. entire regular season Josh Allen has. recorded eight designed runs for 35. yards and a touchdown in this year's. playoffs thus far over the course of his. career Allen has average 3.8 designed. runs per game during the playoffs up. from his regular season average of Two. Allen has also recorded 69.6 success. blah blah blah you get it whenever the. games matter they start running this guy. he's tough to stop and the Chiefs have. gone eight consecutive games without a. giveaway entering the AFC Championship. game that is the longest streak by a. team without a giveway since at least. 1950 including the playoffs some.

historic stuff Happening Here in these. playoffs this weekend especially from. the Chiefs as they look to do something. nobody's ever done obviously went three. straight in the modern era Josh Allen's. looking to do something they've never. done in the playoffs which is beat. Patrick Mahomes and Patrick Mahomes is. doing [ __ ] to nobody's ever done by the. age that he is we're talking about. history all over the place for the AFC. Championship game yeah no question about. it like you mentioned 4- one in the. regular season Josh Allen is you know. 4-1 against Mahomes 0 and3 in the. playoffs against Mahomes but to your. point you said okay he's got to go up.

against Patty Mahomes Hall of Fame head. coach and Andy Reid right hall of fame. defensive coordinator and spags you know. so there's just there's Hall of Famers. all over the place and you know who you. going to put your money on who you who. you going to trust in in a game like. this at Arrowhead in those elements AQ. sh says don't think about putting money. on that offensive line for Kansas City. AQ says this this Kansas City offense. this is what he's saying not me I'm just. telling you what AQ is saying well he. also had Philly Old Line you know it's.

one and then six all a sudden yeah yeah. he he doesn't really know teams that. were ranked ahead right I mean he was. off he was I love the shot yesterday he. was unbelievable great shot great shot. 30 people $500 I mean beautiful great. time of year for it taxes are coming all. that [ __ ] yep but he's he's crying about. the flag that was thrown you know on. dawk about the chop and the snatch well. his finger got caught in the his finger. got caught in his thing it wasn't a crab. but you know how these refs are taught.

right did not do don't call anything. against you is that what you're saying. that's exactly it's a point of emphasis. a couple years ago offensive lineman the. coaches are teaching they're going to. chop and and snatch so let's so what do. the rest do if it comes anywhere looks. like it it's like roughing a passer if. it even comes close and it looks like. guess what they're going to throw it. they're going to protect these. quarterbacks and that thing looked like. a a chop and a snatch when that guy goes. down finger got caught in the.

chest you slow it down and you have the. you have the angles that we have who's. we who's we the. refs good you had a good you had a good. angle I saw SP a year he's spent a year. with the ref so he's always doing this. [ __ ] wee [ __ ] it's hard you know he. it's hard you guys give credit we get it. it's hard it's you want it's hard to. play in the NFL it's hard to coach in. the NFL it is it's hard to everything in. that's why it's the NFL it's high great. appreciation for how hard these jobs are. and we all know what we signed up for so. there's going to be some criticisms at.

times you're going to play really good. at times you're going to get a lot of. flowers then you you know what you're. going to play bad things are going to. happen and some of these refs we don't. know if they ever going to play good. feel like every time they're on TV. they're bad wasn't even some of them not. all the refs go ahead the Chiefs or that. call wasn't even the worst call the. worst call of the weekend was on the. commanders when you know Dante F Fowler. Jr tackled David Montgomery by his. shoulder and they called the face mask. Yeah by his chest that was crazy yeah. it's unbelievable that one Chuck that. head it's all right the trying their. best but here's the here's the deal.

right replay. assist we're at a certain point now this. off season's going to be a huge. discussion with the competition. committee and the coaches once they get. to the owner meetings that thing will. get improved they're going to add some. things to that so that they can go in. and look at like will Anderson's hit you. know on Patrick Mahomes yes we all saw. it slowed down right it hit right here. and he did this the where the ref is. standing he can't necessarily see no. helmet to helmet yeah but it wasn't it. wasn't n severe but the thing that. replay assists can't do is they can't.

come in and talk about severity right. now it's black and white did you hit. them or not in the headand neck area. period now they're going to take the. next step and go okay let this guy get. involved and say there was no contact to. pick that up well we're hoping that that. what they'd be doing this year but I. understand there's always steps of. things the NFL is like the Titanic not. that it's going down but to turn that. thing it takes forever you know and that. is kind of the NFL's way but this replay. assist is good advancement I believe. yeah but I also did read that hey they.

don't want to be doing rep replay. assists in the playoffs cuz we can't we. we need as many additional commercial. breaks for you. know greedy corporate fatat exactly we. can't have them just hey let's let's. respot it right away and keep playing we. need that to kind of draw out go to a. commercial get another you know Big Time. sponsorship in there so I don't know how. much replay assist as we were watching I. think replac is only going to grow. hopefully and hopefully that's not a. part of the conversation cuz all anybody. wants is them not to slow down the game. which is why replay is so awesome it's.

happing in like hey pick that thing up. and you don't lose anything how about. that national championship game 18 play. drive to start that thing 10 minutes no. commercial breaks I even said on air. like hey they're coming they are on. their way they are going to shove these. commercial break and they did kickoff. commercial that second quarter was like. an hour and a half oh my it's it's a. business I felt bad for y'all I mean I'm. sitting there going my God it was a lot. of standing it was a lot of Spanx had us. though SP Jo Now ladies and gentlemen is. a man who's going to be trying to get.

his team that he's the general mandra of. to the National Championship will that. be next year the year after the year. after we don't know but we assume it. will happen because of how big this. guy's brain is multiple times Super Bowl. champion current general manager of the. UNC tario football team Michael. Lombardi it's always good to be here. with you it's always good great job on. the championship game that was a long. drive you know that that drive proves. that time of possession is meaningless. in football you can have it it matters. what you do with it right yes you got to.

be able to score look the eagle. Washington game I heard you talking. about the Eagles had the ball 36 minutes. in that game the last time they played. them and yet they gave up 36 points to. the commanders and they only had it for. 23 minutes yeah and that's why you know. like uh scoring defense matters how many. points you give up it doesn't matter how. many yards you give up Red Zone. efficiency matters you scoring. touchdowns are you kicking field goals. turnovers matter time of possession is. just like uh Hey dominate the game. potentially but did you do anything with. it who cares let's talk about that.

championship game we asked bill I think. last week after the playoffs he said are. you watching these playoffs as like a. coach now trying to figure it out or as. a fan he said just watching as a fan. right now haven't really dove in what. did you learn from this college football. playoff as you're trying to build a. college football team right now what do. you need what do you think you love and. uh did you really learn anything that. might have change the way you think. about the team you're building down. there no I I think it still comes back. to can you win in the fronts can you. have good offensive linean Ohio state. with the injuries in their line.

everybody thought the Tennessee game was. going to be hard or the Oregon game was. going to be hard and yet that offensive. line really did a good job credit Chip. Kelly for what he was able to accomplish. and I think Notre Dames too Notre Dames. offensive and defensive fronts I think. that's still the essence of the game and. one thing I do have learned from being. in college football is depth matters. right in the NFL you only dress 46. players in college you can dress 95 or. whatever the number is and I think. there's a lot of teams that are even to.

start a game but the depth and the. overall Talent on the second and third. level teams as you're rotating becomes. an issue and then teams take over and I. think really you've got to have sound. depth and so the concept of paying one. player or two players or three players. like we think in the NFL and then going. with younger guys that's not going to. work in college you're going to have to. have really good depth to compete with. those great teams from the Southeast. Conference in the Big 10 and from the. ACC I heard you put up massive money for. one quarterback is that right didn't we.

hear that oh yeah yeah like eight. million millions of dollars for a. quarterback did you hear about that no. we might have heard about it if somebody. offered them I don't know maybe it was. the janitor in this building who offered. it I have no idea because I didn't offer. anybody that kind of money I think to me. we're going to stick with the Patriot. model we're going to have a good team. where where everybody's going to be. valued and I think more than anything. you know you guys know this you can't. the locker room has to feel a of. contentment based on what you have.

earned and so if you bring a player in. who's not really play for your team and. pay him more than some of the guys that. have based on just on hypothetical you. run into a little bit of a problem so. this thing goes both ways you're going. to negotiate contracts both ways. sometimes you're going to give a guy a. raise and sometimes because you brought. other players in I bill did this all the. time in New England I mean juli and. Edelman got continue raises based on. what other receivers they brought in. because Edelman or Brady were the best. players on the team yeah you don't want. to disrespect your own players by.

bringing in somebody who hasn't done. anything yet not that anybody's done. anything for your program thus far but. when it comes to payment there's a. professionalism that is around the. corner allegedly Chuck has a question. for you Pon yes lombo you talk about um. you know putting a value on your on your. players so we got the salary cap coming. uh with this Revenue share I know in. April there's going to be a vote I know. there's uh Title 9 stuff involved I've. heard somewhere like 20 21 million and. then you know know football's going to. get the largest portion of that have you.

guys talked about that like if it's. let's just say hypothetical it's 15 how. are you going to divy that up and and. have you placed a value yet on your. roster yeah I think you know that's a. great question Chuck I think you have to. do it just like the draft you know the. draft is money okay when you say the guy. is is going to be an immediate starter. and impact the team that's a top 10 pick. and that top 10 pick makes x amount of. dollars and if you say the guy is going. to be a potential backup player. who could eventually start that's. probably a fourth or fifth round pick so.

that comes with a value and so whenever. you have a salary cap you have to have a. value and so if you're taking a young. High School Prospect who's very good. you're going to have to give him some. money to entice him to come to your. school but there has to be kind of a. ceiling on what you can give them you. know we're not like Jerry Jones we're. not in the oil drilling business we're. not hoping to hit a well or a gusher you. got to pay for performance as you go. right and so there's going to be a scale. you know you come you earn this if you. start to play You're Going to earn more.

and then you're going to earn more based. on how you start it's got to be there. has to be a rhyme and a reason to what. you're doing but if you randomly just. give out I'm paying this guy 750 I'll. pay this guy a million I'll pay then all. of a sudden you don't have any. continuity within your program and so. that's what we're going to try to do. we'll bring young players in that we. recruit we'll pay them but it's on. speculation right and there's going to. be a number and then as they earn more. based on their Play Time based on their. performance here at North Carolina they. will earn more my door is going to.

always be open for conversations because. that's the way it is the NFL you know we. saw it this summer in the NFL how many. receivers redid their contracts based on. what was going on around the league same. thing's going to happen in college. football okay the more I learned about. Notre Dame uh through this playoff run. and Marcus Freeman and who they're. trying to build what they're trying to. become sounds awfully similar to you. guys and do you sense that that Notre. Dame and you guys are going to be in the. same players pool and how does it feel. knowing that they made it to the. National Championship in that kind of. same world that you guys are probably.

going to be in well they've got such. great tradition but so do we here at. North Carolina we've got incredible. Tradition now we haven't won an ACC. title since 1980 but man we have a lot. of great players starting with the. greatest defensive player of all time. and Lawrence Taylor and then going to. Julius Peppers not even talking about. how many great players have been in. basketball they've got won 23 titles in. women's so I mean this is an incredible. Institution for sports and we're going. to follow that we believe we have. National footprint I mean what Michael. Jordan has done for the school what what.

the basketball program has done you see. this emblem on people's chest you see. our brand it's a national brand and so. we need to be a national school so we're. going to be foot to foot with Notre Dame. we offer a lot now they've got a history. in terms of winning championships and. getting there we're going to have to. increase our tradition there and get. there but we have a lot of great players. we have a lot of first round picks we. might not have had great great teams but. we're going to fix that and we're going. to recruit to our Traditions you know. you can't build a team without creating.

a sense of belonging and the only way. you create a sense of belonging is to. look to your past so we need the Jeff. Saturdays we need the Lawrence Taylor we. need all those Quinton copal we need all. these great players that played here and. dominated to be part of our program Dre. blly all there's so many of them right. yeah that have been here Greg Ellis. they're all first round a lot of them. first round picks we got to we need them. to build so we can walk into home and. remind players about North Carolina's.

tradition of great talent here okay so. you you took that a different way than I. expected I appreciate you going through. that what I was saying is the type of. player seemingly is going to same type. of people you guys are going to be. recruiting a similar type of people I. think there's a few schools that are. looking to do the same thing Notre Dame. obviously National Champion finalist and. they're doing it the same like wait like. the type of guys I think that you guys. be trying to get pretty similar no. question Pat I mean look we are a we are. consider ourselves one of the a.

professional organization and like Notre. Dame we want smart guys that can get. into school Notre Dame has the. requirement everybody thinks getting. into school if you if it makes it tough. on the players you're not going to have. a good team I think that's nonsense we. want smart tough Dependable players so. for us if you don't go to class and you. don't work hard and and your other. things you're not going to be a good. football player you know you're not good. in one area and then all of a sudden be. good in another area you've got to be a. complete person like North Carolina like.

Michigan those National schools they. recruit that and we want to be that kind. of program how you do anything is how. you do everything you know and how do. you find those right guys is certainly. going to be a part of the job how do you. retain those guys obviously a massive. piece of the job there is a full roster. over overhaul possibility in college. ball I has a question for you yeah Lomo. right now A lot of people are kind of. complaining that the college football. season has gone on too long it just. ended a lot of people saying hey this.

needs to end by you know January 1st. maybe because we have all these. different you know deadlines for the. transfer portal now we're seeing a lot. of guys you know this this last one here. Ohio State players and Notre Dame. players entering the portal will you. guys still be aggressive for some of. those guys or is it difficult because. you had to flip you know basically an. entire roster and then now you're kind. of you know the odd man out because you. don't have very many spots left even. though you know you are building this. brain a lot of kids do want to come to. you but you just don't have spots for.

maybe some of these kids from Notre Dame. or Ohio State who would be interested in. North Carolina yeah we're always going. to save room whether it's our cap. whether it's our scholarship but we're. going to go to 105 this summer and once. we go to 105 I think there's going to be. a lot of teams that have to get rid of. players at that point whereas we at. North Carolina who are building our. program we we don't have that many. players at that level the the teams that. have been doing this and have a great. bloodline of recruiting going on they're. going to have a hard time getting to 105.

and we need to be able to be to be there. to take advantage of that situation we. have to look for all the areas of. finding talent I I think that's part of. what the NFL is about too right Bill. Walsh used to say this all the time you. know during the season was the best time. to find players because everybody was. content offseason in March everybody was. looking for players so you were. competing at a harder time I think. that's the same thing we've got to be. able to take advantage of what our. situation is there's not a claiming.

order like it is in the NFL but there's. going to be a lot of schools that have. to get rid of guys because they have too. many scholarships okay so let's pivot. away from college we're obviously. incredible pump for you good luck there. let's go to the NFL uh we are hearing. our sources not you but our source s are. telling us that Tom Brady very much a. part of as you might be getting a call. from him or maybe a recruit at this. exact time that Tom Brady is like. running the show over there for Las. Vegas for the hiring process uh that's. what we're hearing are you hearing the.

same thing and what do you think oh. somebody needs you you should answer. that should you answer that no I'm good. don't worry about it I you got my full. attention trust me yeah but what if that. was a booster you or a recruit you never. know lombo you never know lombo if you. need to take a call you certainly can do. that we don't want to hold you up uh we. heard Bill bich signed his contract too. officially hell yeah bill so Cong put. away all that nonsense about yeah we're. going to go back into the NFL can we. kill that for once and for all we we. actually I got a big shovel out this. morning and I buried that so that's a. good thing okay good so you guys signed.

your contracts at UNCC things are good. to go uh but let's talk about you know. one of the reasons why everybody thought. you guys were getting back into the NFL. is because Tom potentially called you or. Bill who he's friends with and has a lot. of respect for to ask him questions. about this hiring process I don't think. I fully I guess I should have kind of. expected this I don't think I fully. expected Tom to be running that [ __ ]. over there I thought like minority owner. obviously he's going to be around. handshake try talk to the boys let's do. some strategy but from what we're. hearing uh in the interview process.

that's his meeting that is kind of. happening throughout the entirety did. you know that do you expect that and. what do you think about the Raiders job. as a whole now that Tom is very much. involved well I I think Tom's never just. going to put his toe in the water I. think he's going to immerse himself into. it as completely because he's so. competitive he's competitive to be the. best broadcaster he can be he's looking. for every way he can improve and he's. never satisfied the one thing about Tom. Brady that I've learned is there's no. mantle in his home there's no place for. his trophies cuz he's collecting more.

trophies and this whole instance to uh. to to immerse himself into football. because his name is on this franchise. along with Mark Davis and look Raider. fans get upset when I say this but they. have not been very good over the last 22. years and they need somebody like Tom. Brady who understands what it takes to. win and what's the culture all about and. how he can bring that now obviously John. spyc who they just hired as their GM he. goes back to Michigan with Tom he was. also at Tampa Bay with him so there's.

some you know familiarity with him and. then I think they'll hire a coach that. gives them some they need some. credibility right I think sometimes. everybody wants the new bright shiny. object in the room but I think a team. like the Raiders they need somebody. who's got some experience who can. understand how they're going to navigate. the next three years in the course and I. would think Pete Carol would have a hell. of a chance to be the next coach there. okay we're hearing the same things. around the coaching conversation cycle. is that Pete Carol has a legit OPP.

opportunity to become Las Vegas Raiders. head coach Ben Johnson is announced as. the head coach of the Chicago Bears. yesterday or the day before that gives a. speech to the team gives a speech to the. building what are your thoughts on Ben. Johnson going in Chicago how do you. think it works out is this the right. pairing for Caleb in your eyes well I I. think I think what Ben said is so true. forget about analytics it depends on how. your quarterback plays really more than. anything on what you're going to do in. the game I thought that was really an. important St statement and a smart. statement look we know this he's done an. incredible job with the Detroit Lions.

and how he's been able to bring that. team together with balance with the. ability to run and throw obviously the. season didn't go the way it is but I. think what he's got to do is prove he's. now a head coach he's not an offensive. play caller he's a head coach and he'll. get the right defensive guy look they've. got a lot of good players they need to. repair their lines and if they can do. that then they can close the gap on a. very very good division Kevin oconnell. got a huge raise which he deserved I. mean that's a good team they're going to. bounce back same thing when you look at.

uh Green Bay you know Green Bay got hurt. a lot it was interesting you know Green. Bay all we're having so many rematch. games in the playoffs whether it's Green. Bay played Philadelphia Washington. playing Philadelphia again it seems like. there's a lot of repeats and and that's. a good thing because coaches can gain an. advantage yeah I um the I hope Kevin. okono didn't sign his deal before Ben. Johnson you know Ben Johnson allegedly. signed for 13 million that's what the. reports are I don't know how accurate.

reports are of coaches contracts. normally are Kevin oconnell I mean he. could have went in there with a blank. check yeah he is so good and then mcdc. obviously he's going to have to recycle. Aaron Glenn gone Ben obviously gone in. the same division it's like NFC North. football is problematic I mean they are. very very good teams in there in the. floors D I mean you know this as a. negotiator Ben had leverage I mean so. Ben could ask for it and the Bears you. know they needed to make a statement. with their coaching hire I mean they've. been through this whether it's been John.

Fox whether it's been you know Matt. naggie whomever it's been you know they. need to make a statement they're taking. a risk paying them as much as they are. on a firsttime head coach but I think. Kevin Warren and Ryan poles I think. everybody believes that Ben's the right. guy for their job so they've got to go. all in look here's what I would say the. same thing applies to players you can't. overpay a great coach you cannot overpay. you know if you hired Bill Parcels or. Bill you can't overpay great coaching. the problem you get into like the. problem with players you overpay a good.

player then it becomes a problem but. great coach great player you can and I. think Kevin O'Connell's great I think. Jerry Jones said uh everything that has. ever been worth it people have told me. I've overpaid for so just whatever the. case Now Grant he's overpaid for a lot. of other [ __ ] too you has worked out but. the things that are great keep them in. your building I'm happy the Minnesota. Vikings are doing that Aaron Glenn goes. to the New York Jets he played there uh. I believe wils is going to join him as. the DC obviously there's early reports. that he would be a fan of Aaron roders.

sticking around and then maybe getting a. younger quarterback that all has to get. played out but there's a AFC South. conversation taking place Connor has a. question for you yeah Lomo Mike borgonzi. gets hired as the GM and now a lot of. stuff has come out I believe the. president of football operations Brink. uh will have final say Brinker Brinker. Brinker excuse me well final say on the. 53 man roster but then borgonzi will be. responsible for for the free agents and. the draft process uh and then of course.

Brinker will report to Strunk not sure. with borgonzi what does this say kind of. about the Titans whole operation and. then where does this kind of leave uh. Callahan just because he is the head. coach what is his role is he going to be. involved you think with the draft or. anything like that or is this kind of a. three-headed monster in Tennessee now. well you know how I feel about. committees you know and they've never. dedicated a monument to one so this. sounds like a committee to me look I. think Brinker's been running the team I.

think even when Rand carthon was there. Brinker was kind of in charge of pretty. much everything so he's going to remain. there and obviously his background has. got to have to find a way to utilize his. skill set as a guy who can draft and. develop a team I think the real question. comes into what kind of team do they. want to have you know they transitioned. into a Cincinnati Bengal team and and it. cost ran carthon his job essentially. they got rid of the big power back they. went to Nickelback and Spears. and and and pared and so their offensive.

line couldn't really they couldn't run. the ball and they're counting on will. Levis to be a good player there's a lot. of calculations that need to come true. for Tennessee to be good they better. make sure they're right about will Lis. and that's Brinker's job to do because. he was there when they drafted him he's. been a part of it and I think that's. ultimately going to be tied to what. Callahan does I think Cincinnati if you. copy their offensive program you better. be damn sure the quarterback's good. because burrow makes that thing go it. isn't the play design it's the. quarterback design and how he plays so.

the Tennessee in terms of all the moves. they made in the past they can blame him. on Rand carthon but somebody else was. signing off on him so it's going to be. interesting to see how it goes yeah and. what do you think about Callahan Chuck. what do you think about Callahan the. coach's uh position in this entire thing. um yeah anytime you can tell right now. like these coaches are coming in. together with a GM anytime it's one of. the other head coach in place new GM or. vice versa um unless there's a prior.

relationship. there and like whatever like just win. cie just just win and win big yeah you. win quick too been down that road yeah. you have been down that GM comes in not. with you new GM lose a quarterback yeah. have a lost a few games and that was Das. lame duck Chuck is what they were saying. we'll hear Pat we'll hear everybody's on. the same page but there's a difference. between being on the what Pat what what. what coach is saying is so true what.

what what you find is everybody's going. to tell you in Tennessee they're on the. same page until they lose a game that's. being on the same page is meaningless. being aligned is what matters most and. Alignment can only come from the GM and. the head coach being tied at the hip. philosophically now they're going to. argue and go back and forth but they got. to see the game the same way and this is. where I think most teams make many. mistakes I mean Brett V does an. incredible job in Kansas City for Andy. Reid and but he's tied to Andy Reid.

philosophically they see the game the. same way and so that allows you to find. players because remember scouting is not. about finding scouting is about. eliminating and so you eliminate players. you don't want you find you don't find. players you eliminate the guys that. don't fit and when you're not on the. same page you argue about who you're. eliminating and that becomes a rift. within the building look I think. Tennessee went through it they wanted a. change to become Cincinnati at's offense. I don't see how anybody can be. Cincinnati's offense unless they bring.

Joe burrow with them yeah and Joe burrow. obviously is a weapon and we'll be. excited to see what awards he wins if he. wins any awards at NFL honor is up for. comeback player of the year and I. believe offense whatever the case um. lame duck down there is such an. interesting situation because you. brought up Andy Reed and Brett fech how. they're on the same page and Brett fech. and obviously the chief's front office. we have that here Chris Ballard came in. from the chief's front office Andy Reid. Supreme Commander there yeah absolutely. yeah look and and and what Andy's so. good at everybody thinks when you hear.

Supreme Commander that they want to do. everything no Andy Reed gets everybody. aligned it's the most it's what Bill. Walsh did everybody was aligned it's. what belich does everybody has to think. philosophically this is where we're. going doesn't mean we're not going to. disagree on things but we're going to be. aligned on where we're how we're going. to get there there's seemingly no. Supreme Commander in Tennessee right no. but borgonzi said he and Brinker have. great relationship and uh admiration for. each other since 2009 never worked.

together but since 2009 they've had a. lot of admiration for each other right. yeah just through the through the. circles and and doing what they do they. this one has free agency and draft this. one has final 53 and then this one's got. to coach them all okay that's a lot of. people that have to get on the same page. that's weird good luck I think it'll. happen I think it'll happen this whole. notion about who has control of the 53. is the most ridiculous thing I've ever. heard in my life I mean it's so stupid. right you can only dress 46 players. right and so what you what Ron wolf did.

in Green Bay with Mike hongman is the. smartest thing to do he told Mike HR. look Mike you got 50 players you dress. whoever you want Joe Gibbs did the same. thing with Bobby bethard but player 51. to the rest of the team that's really. for the Personnel Department to decide. on who's got a future so we can develop. talent but you're not going to hurt your. roster currently like I control the 53 I. mean seriously that's just a power grab. I mean those seven guys can't dress. anyway all right sounds like it's going.

to go great down there yeah you know. borgonzi is from Everett Mass which is. great football town a lot of history a. lot of great players have come out of. Everett Mass a lot of Italians right. there too many some would. say shirt some would say I didn't say I. did I just want to let you know you. seemingly said that that was coming from. your mouth I I said some would say okay. uh last question here from an Italian uh. a tone has a question for you yeah lombo. the uh last Jets playoff win was uh the.

2010 season uh the OC at that time was. Brian Schottenheimer I believe he was up. for some head coaching jobs at that time. never ended up taking one and now 15. years later it feels like if you read. the te leaves he may be the Cowboys next. head coach how do you feel about that. move down there in Dallas if it is. shotty I think Brian's a really good. coach I think Brian comes from a great. great tradition of coaching his father. Marty has one of nine human beings who. won 200 games in the NFL and he can't.

get himself into the Hall of Fame it's a. complete Injustice and so I'm rooting. for Brian to get this job to carry on. his father's Legacy who was an. outstanding coach I mean Marty was able. to win games and Brian learned from him. and so I think sometimes when you kind. of have this rise and all of a sudden. you don't get a job you kind of learn. the essence of the job I'm sure he's. more ready to be a head coach now than. he ever was and I think it would be a. smart move for Dallas because it would. keep back in line plus I know Brian. understands how his father ran the.

operation Brian knows that Marty was. running pretty much everything it was a. philosophically aligned organization I. think it would be a great hire for the. Dallas Cowboys I really do you know. people get so caught up in well what was. his offense ranked what was he does he. throw the ball on first down we're. talking about leadership here we're not. talking about play design I think Brian. can be a great leader we had shotty and. Indie he was on your staff right yep I. loved him me too what do you think I. think he do a great job yeah to all the. points that lombo just made yeah I don't.

think Jerry likes major turnover there's. a lot of continuity that makes makes. sense in keeping a guy like shotty. especially at the age of 82 and you know. Zimmer is down there on contract we. assume for defensive coordinator what. Zimmer and shotty I assume have a good. relationship we would assume there was. some rumor that Zim was contemplating. you know going back to retirement he's. got a farm I think they only sign CH. they only signed everybody in Dallas is. was on a one-year contract came in on a. one-year deal they all did so that you. know Jerry wasn't going to give more.

than that's what took so long to hire a. defensive coordinator so now if he wants. to bring Zim back I I think certainly he. could but you know Zim's a good coach. there's other good defensive coaches out. there that Brian could hire as well got. it so we don't know we don't necessarily. know who's with who there how about Josh. McDaniels going back with h VES. up that I think that's a great hire by. Mike you know joshh does a great job. with the quarterbacks he's been there. he's familiar with the he's familiar. with the surroundings he's won at New. England you know I think if there was. anybody else but Vel I'm not sure Josh.

could go there back there because the. Vel program is similar different than to. the bellich program and I think Josh is. most successful when he's working in. that environment all right I got these. cards okay called head-to-head football. trivia o go Sam got me these for. Christmas I may or may not have. forgotten that we got them until I. opened a bag and saw a bunch of. Christmas gifts in there okay so you. need to tell me when to. stop.

okay on you stop all. right what did cornerback Daryl green. stuffing his socks claiming they made. him run. faster oh that's a great question I I. don't know the answer to that I thought. he when he was coming out of college he. stuffed weights in his socks because he. wanted people to think he was he weighed. more than he actually did coming out of. of Texas A and I uh Tooty rolls points. oh to roll roll here this is second.

question on here Super Bowl Sunday is. the second largest food consumption Day. in the United States behind Thanksgiving. is that fact or. fiction I would say that's a fact really. that is correct July next question over. 67,000 High School football players in. the US suffer what each. year a concussion that's cor sounds like. they're trying to build.

ner I don't like that one we don't want. to hey I'm just giving you the answers. I'm not juding no yeah I don't like that. it was in there uh what is the name of. the position player who lines up with. the lineman but can also run out to. receive a pass um ti What is the name of. the orange markers in each end of the. corner of the end zone uh Pon who was. the who was the. 2020 regular season NFL Most Valuable. Player we know that come on during Co.

Tom Brady nope Aaron roders the king of. Co was the MVP we appreciate the hell. out of you Lomo thanks guys ladies and. gentlemen Michael Lombardi L tough. questions in those to rolls Sam who's G. to get that DBS knew it he texted did he. really he knew exactly yeah okay. um okay that's too easy what was the. nickname for the St Louis Rams High. powerered offense in the early. 2000s Turf who has the nickname Easy E.

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72 K 68. 35 okay. 1926 wow I assume that's who the. ners that's why I said 49 um I don't. know I don't know I have no idea who. yeah no that's one's tough when a. referee puts both hands on his hips mhm. okay just like this and then points to. the team play defense what penalty has. he just called that would be a neutral. zone infraction coach offside offside.

who was the NFL leader in rushing yards. during a 2020 regular season co co co. was Josh der Henry Bingo Donovan McNab. vomited in three out of the four games. he played in the State of Florida is. that fact or fiction fact fact I. couldn't it was too hoto much soup yeah. too much Campbell also with the humidity. can't do it if all 256 regular season. NFL games finished in a 77 tie how would. the playoffs be determined coin flip.

coin toss is the answer that's good work. that's good trivia trivia hour one. wrapping up here on ESPN hour two we'll. have sham shiria and Daniel Jeremiah AJ. Hawk coach Pagano is here are you going. to give picks for these championship. games huh absolutely I hope so how'd you. do last week sucked not good no absolute. sh no I think he actually did do well he. took the dogs I think and they all 31 so. Houston yeah yeah Houston washingt the. Rams and Baltimore Rams was a push I.

want the opposite way on all of them I. want one and three so I think I lost. lost one yeah you did good I did bad but. next hour's and I picked Ohio State well. we'll see you next. hour is now he's a man who will be. compared to Forever whenever they're. talking about goat conversations in the. sport of football that's because he won. seven Super Bowl was consistently. dominant for more than two decades at. football ridiculously handsome so. absurdly handsome an Underdog Story too.

picked at 199 at the NFL draft not a top. five pick not handed anything and then. what did he do he went to work did his. job became the greatest of all time and. now a phenomenal businessman in a great. representation of the greatest league on. Earth ladies and gentlemen Tom. BR hell yeah dude my man Tom I thought. this was all potential gimmick rip I. didn't know if you were actually on the. I'm so pumped you were here hey we love. you dude we love you I appreciate it. when you're 40 years old and you've won. six Super Bowls and you're already being.

called the goat was there anything to. you getting to the point of just being. I'm tired of bill bich talking to me. like I'm a 23-year-old cuz that was kind. of the lingering at the end of your time. at New England there was so much people. just trying to create some division that. most of it was untrue but it's just the. way the world works and naturally I. think division from within is a big. problem in these team environments and I. don't like seeing any dysfunction in. team environments obviously my respect. for Coach belich is pretty well. documented he was an incredible leader. and coach for our team and I tried to do.

my best every single day that I took the. field I knew that he did the same thing. and I think that's why I respected his. coaching so much whenever they talk. about the Patriot Way that is normally. the reason that is given is like the. Patriot Way the Patriot Way the Patriot. Way I've never used that term in my. entire life I think when people say it. I'm always like what's the Patriot way. it sounds like the title of a book I. think what we tried to do was we tried. to do things the right way I think we. tried to practice the right way and. prepare the right way what happened on. game day was ultimately a reflection of. what we practiced and I thought we had. great leadership from our coaches and it.

filtered down to the guys who really. drove the culture we had so many guys. that I played with over the course of a. lot of years that really understood that. okay I'm going to care about my. teammates and I'm going to care about. helping the team win there's a guy on. our show who is Die Hard Patriot fan. Boston Connor has a question for you. yeah Tommy I have to's up Boston I have. to start and just say thank you you know. uh my whole life has been incredible. because of the fact that you have won. six Super Bowls and you know I'm a loser. every day but I'm a winner as a football. fan because of you and what the Patriots. were able to do so thank you what do you.

think the new era of New England with. mayo is going to be him coming back into. coaching I think is great for the NFL. and certainly great for the Patriots. he's got a great understanding of how. things need to be done I think gerro. does an incredible job relating to. everybody in the locker room all the. coaches and I think he'll do a great job. going into the booth are you utilizing. the same thing hearing what people are. saying about you going in there and how. do you balance that while still being a. human the broadcas I'm going to be 5. years from now is going to be hopefully. more improved than the one that starts. on day one so I'm going to go in there. with the opportunity to start and learn.

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[Applause]. [Music]. life hello beautiful people and welcome. back to our humble abod the Thunderdome. on this Sports Thursday January 23rd. 2025 hour two the program starts. now football it is wonderful that's 36. years as a football coach 18 in college. 18m Chuck Pagano. here the toxic table here at Boston. Conor and at Tai Schmid sweet sea.

turtles P hey thanks man I figure you. know what it is cold out down there in. Florida and New Orleans the the sea. turtles are probably not doing too well. you know you know you used to just wear. a t-shirt you remember that Tai used to. be like a t-shirt thing yeah now he. wears these hoodies over top of these. t-shirts Hey look it's cold out I'm I'm. not afraid it's not cold in here though. it feels pretty good yeah it feels okay. H I'm still when you wake up and granted. 21 this morning felt like 50 all the. snow melt somehow fantastic even though. it's still below freezing I don't know. how that works get that Sun out it's. like the snow got sick of how cold it.

was and was like you know what it's it's. not above freezing but it's definitely. warmer than it was we're going to. disappear I looked out and saw grass and. I'm like how the hell did I get grass. did it go above freezing and I looked. never no no it's still very much below I. don't know how that works I don't know. science but I do know it has been cold. as I'm actually getting a little yeah. because of the cold I think that type. time of the year I think it is no fight. it normally football season is when I. get it this the fact that College. football I guess we're in football. season but the fact that college. football season ended and then. immediately afterwards I got think good.

timing great shout out to my body for. doing that entire thing but I woke up. this morning with you know a little bit. of that and uh I think everybody's. probably going to have to go through. that yeah that's true December we did. have a couple colds running through here. when when it kind of start remember we. had people showing up sick and spitting. in everybody's drinks uhuh saying that. they're going to quit soda and not yeah. I remember oh well that's two different. situations but same person yeah we we. usually get the repri to of like when we. go do these games like you go to Miami. and it's like okay we're going to get an. 80° day here and we're going to be good.

everywhere we went the weather was. shitty and it was cold woke up on my bus. 49° the generator died exact uh that's. how National Championship day started. that was 4:45 a.m. yeah probably. why legit actually I legitimately think. that was the case I might as well just. been sleeping outside and it was cold as. hell down there it's been cold. everywhere we hope everybody's okay also. Southern California still very much. sending our Positive Vibes and prayers I. don't know how recover is going to go. there and then also North Carolina. everybody going through it just know. that uh we love you y we love you love.

you hang in there one after the hammer. Cowboys AP tone is here tone what' you. learn in the first hour anything sweet I. learned a ton in the first hour a lot of. those NFL Pro Plus premium Pro Plus. premium uh stats were unbelievable it's. very disrespectful to do that to their. as an apter too yeah AP voters should. have a little respect NFL plus is the. orid then you get the premium version of. that you get NFL pro so it's NFL plus.

premiums NFL pro which is worth it the. fact that the Chiefs haven't turned the. ball over in eight games I did not know. that was oh is it was it playoff eight. consective playoff games yeah eight. consecutive games Oh I thought it was. eight consecutive playoff games yeah. they they haven't eight consecutive. games without a giveaway entering the. AFC Championship so eight consecutive. games okay and also I believe if you go. back to his playoff runs too I think. some sort I know Pat has yeah in the. division round that was the thing no. picks but then also we don't we don't. have it uh Josh Allen had like the.

lowest percentage of turnovers like in. his entire career this year what an. unbelievable run the program for these. dudes Josh Allen's gonna win no Awards. he's going to win the. MVP I think so you think the AP voted. Lamar Jackson First Team all pro. quarterback and then they said in the. same exact vote in the same exact time. they said we're putting Josh Allen over. Lamar though for the MVP I think he. should win the MVP I'm hoping that he. wins the MVP now maybe he doesn't but I. think there would be enough people who.

maybe put sequan one and then Josh Allen. to because the new ranking system you. think like a voter eating people's votes. exactly the point system the Independent. party has come in and really affected. especially if there's some uh absolute. doofuses voting for Sam darnold to win. comeback player of the year I'm sure. that there were some talking about. people in EAP yes uh completely not. understanding the spirit of their own. award uh but again that is besid and. even dear Hamlin I get it but this is. the previous season what happened to him.

was two years ago unless we want to do a. handout award again that's also possible. um but I I just personally think Josh. Allen should squeeze it out because. Lamar's team I understand you're saying. if you had a vote that's what you would. do yeah yeah we're okay joining us now. ladies and gentlemen we're trying to say. like what we think no I know that's what. I'm I mean I think people might have put. saquan one maybe Josh 2 Lamar three and. a couple and they put Lamar First Team. all pro quarterback yeah over Josh some. people I I don't know how those votes.

how many are there 50 50 I I guess there. can be a lot of that's what I mean if. you get 30 people well that have you. know vinary was in that top 100 first. kicker ever to get in there I voted him. the number one player how many points. did he get probably could from the. number one player like I I went to the. Pro Bowl first time I ever got to vote. they're like put your top 10 players in. the NFL or whatever for this top 100 I'm. AAR at number one I said every time he. walks on the field but one time this. year he's scored is that the purpose of. the game I don't know you tell me is. that what we're trying to do or we. trying to score I think he's the best.

player in football so I put him as the. number one player in football I couldn't. even fathom how many points he got off. of that he end up being like number 70. or something I lost a lot of sleep. during my six year tenure but it wasn't. because of Adam ever ever yeah we should. have had that perfect season that sucks. we missed one against Tennessee week. second to last week maybe had a perfect. season going extra points and field. goals rolling only been done once before. G G Anderson I believe in Minnesota. Vikings then he ended up missing a kick. in the playoffs for them to lose a game. that was his first Miss of the year and.

people wanted to kill him for it oh yeah. first kick get this guy out of town he. still broke the points record that week. though right down at Tennessee because. we gave him a game ball and I [ __ ] it. up I said it was points for this and you. got no coach it was like alltime leader. and point oh yeah that that one too no. no it wasn't all time it wasn't alltime. leader I know that cuz I wasn't around. for that I was I was trying to I was. literally thinking about just staying to. be there for the all-time leading scorer. right God I wish you would have pretty. happy with what the decision was made I. think Vinnie ended up making it out. pretty good I tell everybody you mapped.

this out when you came in and said hey. I'm done I said what and you I said you. could kick for another 20 years Pat yeah. and you go here's what I'm doing Coach B. B B B and lo and behold and behold it. didn't have a church in there you know. didn't have the Thunderdome in that. particular idea but it was pretty close. what you told me it felt like there was. a uh easily seeable kind of path felt. like you had it work was going to Vision. you but with that being said I almost. stuck around for ven to be the alltime. leing score so I wasn't there for that.

so there was probably some other record. that he broke I also do appreciate and. remember you panicking one time cuz. Vinnie didn't even get on the field one. game so like consecutive starts yeah Vin. ter had this consecutive starts record. that was just like nuts whatever it is. you know like numbers that will never be. eclipsed one game we got shut out. completely so Vinnie didn't get on the. field so Chuck like with a minute left. in the game I think he's talking to K's. like do we need to put do we our. appearances in game do we need to put. Vinnie in this game like just at some.

point to do we mess something up they're. like no since he never showed since he. never went on the field it doesn't count. count doesn't count as a game or. something he was likewe when when you. guys came up to me with that it's like. the game we're yeah it was like a minute. left and we getting okay we got beat. whatever at least Vinnie's good record's. good yeah I may get run out of town for. this loss but Vinnie's good yeah that. was uh those things are I mean when. you're talking about history yeah yeah. there's a lot of ways to handle that and. coaches are are right in the middle of. it all but vinary was so sweet he's.

going to be first B at Hall of Famer. should a that crazy as a kicker is going. to be first ballot Hall of Famer there's. some people I guess that do the voting. that don't think a kicker should ever be. a first ballot Hall of Famer so they'll. be battling against it in the quiet. rooms or whatever the case is but it's. like if anybody was ever to be he would. be the one and uh we're pulling for him. joining us down ladies and gentlemen is. the alltime leading tackler for the. Green Bay Packers ladies and gentlemen. National Champion AJ Hawk yeah Haw. Hawker how you doing brother oh I'm.

doing great how you guys doing yeah. fantastic you know we're chitchatting. about all these Awards obviously you and. I both are guys that didn't win a lot of. these Awards so uh throughout our I mean. maybe throughout your life you did I did. not I was uh I was runner up from male. athlete of the year at my High School uh. I think I was the only person that could. have had Scholarships in three different. sports uh didn't win it you know Mike. mcke who won it Mike mcke who I have a. massive respect for he went to Kent. State to play basketball guy had a silk. mcke for three I mean he was awesome I.

love Mike mcke have no beef with Mike. mcke but certainly could have had a. scholarship in three different sports. Plum is in like a factory of things I. think I probably should have been male. athlete of the Year kind of forced me to. go to this thing didn't win in all right. [ __ ] these people you know that that. entire go down uh senior year of college. come down this award show in Orlando. you're going to win the ray guy award. you know do the whole song and dance go. get suit that you can't afford do the. whole have your dad miss work your mom. miss work it's going to be fun come down. here some guy that only had like 15.

punts on a season wins Ray gu it's like. okay it's [ __ ] I hate this thing. then there's numerous other times where. so I'm an anti- awards guy strictly. because of my life with Awards but with. that being said these things mean a lot. to Legacy these things mean a lot to the. future of how people are viewed in their. time what are your thoughts on all the. finalists that have been mentioned and. what are your thoughts on Awards as a. whole AJ Hawk man that's a good question. I guess it. always how many people are voting on him. I think is a big thing some of words. there's like 20 people that vote for him.

I think in college and different. different things which seems crazy to me. I think 50 is a decent number for uh. like tone and the AP voters but you're. right like if Lamar is AP First Team all. pro right from the AP how would he not. be the MVP voted on by the same people. well what Connor is saying is that. Sequon Barkley might steal some of the. votes you know Independent party in here. coming in to eat up some of the votes. from the one particular particular party. uh so he's saying maybe that'll benefit. or help out Josh Allen in this entirety.

what has been proven over the past is. the quarterback that's first team All. Pro is normally the MVP that is normally. they go hand inand but because saquan. had such a great year they're thinking. maybe there'll be other votes going. other places is what Conor's kind of. spinning yeah exactly and I don't know. if this is the first year tone maybe you. can say even though it was your first. year is this one of the first times. they've done like the list one through. five who the MVP is instead of just. write in one name I believe it is the. only way I know that and we'll say is. because JJ brought it up on our show and. said it was one of the f I don't know to.

be honest I don't know I could ask and. find out but so because of that I think. people might have put like saquan one. and some people would have Josh 2 and. then Lamar versus having like Lamar have. the most because if it was just one name. yes I would think Lamar would win it but. just thinking about especially after. seeing who some people voted for for the. comeback Player of the Year like I would. assume there is going to be some final. tally close race to maybe if Josh Allen. is asked to donate like a weit room back. to the NFL someday he can say almost MVP.

wait room like I was going to do a plum. they asked me uh if I could donate a. weight room do I want to title it I said. call it almost male athlete of the Year. weight room or whatever they're like uh. really I'm like yeah put it on the wall. they're like okay I'm like don't do that. but just know that I've never forgotten. you know I've never forgotten it's not. the kids's fault but it is something I. think about the awards are so. interesting man cuz CU then you have to. take into account who's voting like do I. want to put enough stock into this. person's opinion to actually care about. it but players do mostly because whether.

or not you're going into the Hall of. Fame whether or not you're being talked. about as one of the all-time greats I. mean old buddy there is still pissed at. uh Brett fa for laying down for stra. hand sa record because he wasn't able to. sign autographs and make money on I mean. there is these Awards mean something you. know they they actually do I hate that. they do I think it's good that we. celebrate people but they legitimately. matter whenever you're talking about who. matters in the history of the league. yeah I tried taking it as seriously as. one possibly could um because I know it.

means so much and I tried using like I I. used every single resource that I could. I talked to all players at the positions. with the voting and coaches and things. like that so you know hopefully you take. it right and if you don't take it right. if you don't do it right kick you out. thanks for your service ton baby Tony. tonyy Tony are you on a one-year deal. sorry you got a one-year contract if you. don't do a good job they boot you. believe so yeah we had a conversation. with the AP this morning uh turns out. not everybody was thrilled that tone got. an AP vote from what we've been told but. what tone has exhibited this year is.

nothing but fullon research and effort. to get it right so we appreciate your. representation of this program tone yeah. and hopefully I'll be back next year. hopefully you will be CU you know what. they need you big go especially because. there's people putting Sam Dar on the. comeback Player of the Year whenever. they're like no that ain't the rules. anymore so I I don't I don't want to. hear it from these AP people yeah same. with Tomar yeah Bingo like theor and. he's up there because they knew they. messed up a year ago with Joe and Joe. was the first one to say Flo I don't. deserve this it should go to it should. go to dear you know and so dear's up. there now so okay we screwed this up a.

year ago so two years later can we make. it this year a lot of AP people they. don't like the grand stand right that. isn't like thing that's not like the. Associated Press or media thing right to. do that I'm sure I don't think so Pro. the pro is just a popularity contest. which one pro bowl back in the day well. Pro Bowl still you know you get. grandfathered in once you get. grandfathered in you you could miss half. the season and they'd still put you in. especially at offense line positions. which we can ask AQ Shipley his thoughts. on it all I mean he would probably echo. my sentiments on a lot of these things.

but nonetheless congrats to you thankful. for you congrats to the NFL as well it. is a. Powerhouse have you seen what the. projected salary cap is for next year AJ. I have not no what is it projected. salary cap next year. $275. million now here is the salary cap. growth since the year. 1994 okay not that long ago 1994 I was 7. years old $ 34.6 million is how much you. allowed to spend on your entire roster. then obviously you see the growth 2010.

was an uncapped year because there was a. CBA lockout there was no agreement so. they could have spent whatever that was. an uncapped year 2020 obviously you see. it go down that's because they weren't. able to have anybody in the stands but. if you look from like 2013 to like 2025. the growth of this league is. unbelievable the amount of money going. out to players significant now how will. it continue to grow how do they continue. to expand well if they add a game and. add a byee that's two more weeks of. Prime Time games that they can sell to. these new streaming devices that's two.

more weeks of concessions that's two. more weeks of merch that's two more. weeks of uh ticketing that's two more. weeks of money which is probably what. they're going to sell. $275 million is the projected cap for. next year and in 1994 it was $ 34.6. million big shout out to all the players. and coaches that have put this league on. their back and uh you know made it a. very profitable business yes we. appreciate the hell out of you hell yeah. Chuck what do you see here because in. 2013 $123 million salary cap was huge.

people holy [ __ ] $123 million in a. salary cap now. $275 is the projection that is. absolutely insane now the 2023 to 24. jump 224 to 255 they're saying that's. like a make good from the 2020 jump you. know 2020 had a downfall cuz there was. no tickets remember they had the uh. cardboard people stands and they said. there's going to be 30,000 uh cardboard. uh members in the audience and there's.

going to be 10 actual members in the. audience so there's going to be 30,0. people at this particular game it's like. that's not how that works so the salary. cap drops a little bit but then it. finally catches up in 2024 now it's Off. to the Races what a league Chuck Bano. what is your biggest takeaway as you. look at this graph yeah you look at I. mean it was just what 8 10 million a. year pretty much I mean then you talked. about Co where they missed and then. these huge jumps even 2024 to 202 what. is that 20 uh 20 million 2020 million.

right yeah I mean it's incredible the. way this league we didn't know any. better like in. 2011 when I was at the Ravens like 120. million and again we weren't paying. quarterbacks 60 million a year or what. we're paying them now so yeah but as. that salary cap has gone that's where. quarterback contracts have gone as well. you know in the new CBA that was. negotiated there during that lockout and. then obviously post that the new CBA uh. had like a veteran men if you've been in. the league for at least 5 years here's. what your veteran men is rookie men is. like half of that and what end up.

happening is quarterback money went up. and then the veterans actually started. getting cut because all the rookie mens. would be the case so there was like some. backwards effects that they thought it. was going to be so much money AJ so much. money now granted players are always. going to want more which I hope happens. I hope players are going to continue to. get more the League's obviously going to. want more but 275 million split 50/50. amongst the NFL and players for the. salary cap you can build a good team. there age you can build a good team down. there yeah I can imagine you could you.

you better be able to build a good team. with that much cash but do we know how. much or what this chart would compare to. say like the NBA in their salary cap or. other professional sports interesting we. have not I wonder how like are theirs. trending in this direction as well yeah. and obviously we have 53 man rosters and. everything like that versus the NBA who. has what 15 guys on the so per player I. think we would have to do a lot of you. know like kind of get it. just see if theirs is is going up as. much as the NFL like each year after. year or they continue to grow yeah.

theirs is definitely on like a Pere. basis like Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. same team they both signed damn near or. one of them did sign a 300 plus million. doll contract the other was right on the. line and then they're talking about sgaa. Oklahoma City Star who I don't believe. has had his super super max yet but. they're saying he might be the first. ever like $80 million a year player so I. think as far as MoneyWise goes they're. close just because like Pat said 15. players um but I guess here it is right.

here guaranteed as well though that's a. big difference guaranteed is a massive. difference yeah and I mean this where. the luxury tax in the NBA graph in yeah. 58 million there it's 140 million now so. it looks like it's going up you go down. to 2010 to what it is 2024 joining us. now ladies and gentlemen is a man who. might know senior NBA Insider for ESPN. the ever handsome sham shiria yeah sh. Shams you look bring the boom that's all. I got to say I saw I saw the video that. that that you did uh shout out to them. come on all right I'm happy you got your.

reset all right I'm happy you got your G. again I like the leather jacket hey you. know I like uh I like what you're doing. here Shams we just did a graphic on the. NFL salary cap and how the projected. next year is 275 million the only thing. we ever talk about with the NBA is the. fully guaranteed contracts and how. seventh man on the bench is making more. money than starting linebackers in the. NFL is the NBA salary cap climb like. this or how does it work each year yeah. I mean I I think next year's projected.

at around 154 salary cap I mean Luca. donic this off season is going to be. eligible for I believe a 5year $350. million supermax contract extension Jake. gills Alexander similarly is going to be. eligible for a massive uh supermax as. well Nicole yic I mean there's there's. going to be a point in time here where. 80 million per year 90 million per year. and and dare I say 100 million per year. at some point I'm I'm not saying that's. going to happen in this decade but the.

way the numbers are are escalating I. just remember uh you know when when guys. like you know Eric bledo Derek Rose. players you know 10 years ago8 10 years. ago were signing Max contracts their. deals were 70 80 90 million these super. max max contracts are are much higher. now so I think we're only going to see. it escalate and obviously the TV money. is is is going to be flushing in as well. especially with the TV rights doing what. they're doing now they're going to have. to get the ratings back and maybe when. football ends it'll go through the roof.

but also seems like there's uh a. fascination with the NBA right now. especially revolving around a story down. there in Miami that you reported on. early into your tenure at ESPN you're. senior NBA Insider you have to go into. another team's World okay W retires we. know the wo bomb Shams bomb history we. understand all that you come into ESPN. senior NBA Insider you have news on. Jimmy Butler you say hey Jimmy Butler's. trying to to get traded out of Miami. everybody tried to kill you Jimmy. Butler's agent tried to kill you. publicly Pat Riley tried to kill you.

publicly other insiders try to kill you. publicly and here we are about a month. later six weeks later and it seems like. it's at a boiling point with Jimmy. Butler in the Miami Heat what's. happening down there I know you talked. about it earlier on first take where you. said it's basically like a divorce is it. going to be messy is it going to be. quick how's it going to work what. inevitably happens with Jimmy Butler and. the Miami Heat and also congratulations. Shams sitting in the pocket everybody. trying to tear you down in this thing. you stick to the facts and you trust in. the reporting and I I I knew the truth.

of the situation and sometimes you can't. fully report what you know you you can. you can go with what you have right now. and and then you let things play out the. way they're supposed to because this. stuff is all fluid at times and things. can change things can move quicker uh. the heat there was a world the heat. could have when they initially started. listening to trade conversations in. December they could have eventually. traded him but as his trade desire. became more known with the heat we saw. Pat Riley come out with a statement we. are not trading Jimmy Butler and that. was at a point where I think the heat.

were still trying to figure out a way. how can we get Jimmy Butler back engaged. with this team he had taken about two. weeks off from play in mid December for. an illness and reconditioning as they. called it quote unquote um but he made. it back and there just wasn't that same. level of of Engagement and the stats. there's some stats uh that that you can. point to that show that. his touches uh his dribbles his the. amount he's running it's it's just it's.

not the same like something is off with. Jimmy Butler he's not trying he wants. out of there this classic NBA this is. classic NBA this is what it is right he. he requested a trade earlier this month. he told Pat Riley to his face I don't. want to be here uh he told Mickey Arison. and and Nick Arison the Heat owner and. team CEO to their face that he wants to. be traded and still you know the heat. are listening to trade conversations. they are engaged with multiple teams. there is no Jimmy Butler deal yet so. when two people are in a relationship.

that they probably don't want to be in. what we're seeing play out is a divorce. in real time and the the longer it. continues to go I think the the nastier. it gets the uglier it gets but the heat. also can't just trade Jimmy Butler to. say we're trading him they want to get. some value for him this is a guy P five. years in Miami Jimmy Butler has spent. there and this is after LeBron James has. gone this after Dwayne Wade is gone and. he leads them to two NBA Finals runs. another Eastern Conference Finals birth.

over the course of 5 years they had. tremendous postseason success and. obviously he was behind a lot of that he. did not get extended in the offseason he. didn't get the respect I think that a. lot of people in that position probably. do get and we're seeing right now how. the season is playing out Pat Ry called. him out after the season and I think. everything has kind of escalated since. that point Pat Ry kind of caught out. everybody down there right durability. question and Jimmy buts leadership I I. think like everything kind of got called. out publicly by Pat Riley who's known to. run a tight ship that's kind of the way. the Miami Heat are known about so will.

they handle this like other teams have. handled it in the past when their. superstar once out Let's Make a Deal. done by any means necessary I know they. suspended them twice within the last two. weeks for like nine games he missed the. flight I assume he was going to take his. own in his entirety how does this end. between Jimmy and Miami and how easy is. a deal to make because we've seen [ __ ]. like this in the past Superstars one out. bang let's get them out of here no. matter what the cost is is that how this. is going to go in. Miami I mean listen there's uh two weeks.

before the NBA trade deadline on. February 6th and until that point I mean. usually deadlines create urgency and. right now the heat from the teams I've. spoken to they're not operating with. tremendous urgency but they are engaging. with teams but they have a price too and. they have a price that they want to. trade Jimmy Butler for that hasn't been. met yet I think they're going to. continue to be active because this is. the reality of the situation Eric spola. Tyler hero bam out of Bio this whole. situation has really turned into a a a a.

battle a war whatever you want to call. it between Pat Riley and Jimmy Butler. they're two massive Alphas in that Heat. organization probably two of the biggest. Alphas in the NBA when you think about. the legend that Pat Riley is and we know. Jimmy Butler he he's come from nothing. he's come from a player that was. unranked played at Joo uh went to. Marquette got drafted in the first round. uh came up as a as a really was supposed. to be utility 3 and D player turns. himself into a Max contract player an. All-Star player a player on the verge of.

championships in the NBA leading teams. to NBA Finals runs and so they're both. very prideful and and this this. relationship is is is over with as far. as where they're at I don't think you're. going to put the genie back in the. bottle but the reality is the reality. he's under $49 million contract right. now he's got a $52 million player option. for next season and so if they can't get. what they want what do you do and and. that's the question Pat Riley's gonna. have to wrestle with well the only. reason why I just assume it's gonna get.

taken care of because the NFL. conversation about the NBA is we're not. turning into the NBA guys sign contracts. they don't want to be here too bad they. got to be here the NBA I think goes back. to like James Harden obviously fat suit. with his moves yeah fat suit going to. Vegas doing his thing then he had a. hamstring in Brooklyn or whatever then. he goes over to Philadelphia then he. hates that guy gets bottle service he. hates that and James Harden just want. we're talking about a lot of superstars. in the NBA have kind of forced moves he. did something very similar it was very. similar the way it happened in Houston.

where you never want to say a guy's not. trying because you just don't know for. real for real but you know what you what. you saw from the guys before and you. know James Harden in Houston I but you. know I think there is something to say. if a guy isn't fully engaged if he's not. happy where he's at it's hard to put. forth that level of effort that it's. hard to be fully engaged with the team I. think that's what we saw with James. Harden in Houston I think to an extent. that's what we're seeing here with Jimmy. Butler and by the way that misf flight.

that he had yesterday he had let the. team know beforehand that he was going. to do that this is not the first time. that Jimmy Butler was planning to fly. separately from the team this has. happened before it's occasionally. happened with other stars across the NBA. but this is the heat in a lot of ways. like literally no tolerance policy right. now with Jimmy Butler and and they are. nine games worth of suspensions just in. the last three weeks so uncomfortable in. the moment moment you know for Jimmy. Butler in the team like hey I'm going to. this practice I'm going be an [ __ ]. okay I'm going to this game I'm not.

playing hard he hasn't even done that. yet that's the crazy part we saw that in. Minnesota okay so we're not saying yeah. and he took over the team remember he. ran the thing and then he left and said. I just cooked all these guys that's. Jimmy B's a dog it was on ESPN I think. he was doing an interview afterwards I. mean Jimmy B's a dog but in the moment. when you're trying to get out of there. it has to be so uncomfortable locker. room you know walking up the front. office I don't like you ownership I. don't want to be here in a moment so. uncomfortable but then as soon as you. get to a new place it's a parade welcome. in welcome aboard we can't wait to have.

you so I guess they view it as a. necessary evil that uncomfort uh in the. middle of it but we hope it all works. out for him good luck Jimmy you got good. luck Miami we're pulling for you go. ahead AJ Sean staying on on Jimmy real. quick when could we have seen this. coming when did everything start with. them does it stem from them not. extending him this off season and also. can you remember a time in Pat Riley's. career where he don't he had to deal. with a situation like this where a. player really doesn't want to be there. and he has to figure it. out I think where this probably turned.

was in the offseason AJ when Pat Riley. made the comments essentially telling. him to shut up and play basketball like. like you know if you're not going to be. on the court you don't need to be. mouthing off about whether you you're. going to get by the Knicks or the. Celtics play basketball and that was one. thing they didn't extend him you know. you see this team is really going in on. bamat bio Tyler herro their Rising young. core and both players I mean Tyler. Heroes looked like an All-Star this year. so you you kind of see the tide turning. a little bit in Miami the offense more. geared toward those two guys and then as.

the season goes on I think the. dissatisfaction that that existed there. was just something off between Jimmy. Butler in the last year of his deal a. veteran at his age 35 years old usually. guys like that they want to have their. Futures settled out I mean we've seen it. guys when when a players entering the. last year of their deal they want to. figure out where am I going to get the. next long-term not just money but. commitment where am I going to spend my. next 3 to four to 5 years and clearly. this is not it as far as Jimmy's.

concerned and that's what we saw um this. this this really escalate all the. landing spots still the same that you. reported early what was it uh Phoenix. Phoenix where else there was a couple. other squs could end up but is it maybe. Los Angeles toone has a question for you. yeah I do about the Lakers I know I feel. like I missed one of AJ's questions I. think I just Pat Riley ever dealt with. this before oh I I no I I I don't I. don't think not to this extent I mean. obviously Dwayne Wade uh left him as a. free agent LeBron James left him as a.

free agent and that was in a very public. way but from a player there internally. uh as as much as Jimmy Butler is meant. to that organization I I think this is. something we have never seen before when. he was coaching the Lakers with that. team on the show on that Showtime show. there's a couple guys like that yeah. when he was getting started yeah and. what was real on that Showtime show and. what wasn't that was kind of the issue. him smoking sigs on the locker room was. real yeah but I was watching that as a. documentary and then everybody that was. in it came out was like this ain't right. this ain't real that was a good show but. then it wasn't yeah that's just cuz they.

didn't like the accurate depiction of. them oh the portrayal yeah we got to. bring that back though we got to bring. that back portrayal of Pat Riley that. he's a dog been there done that work. from the bottom all the way up to the. top obviously a lot of respect him and. Jimmy Butler on the outs right now I. think that's a big deal where does Jimmy. Butler end up and also in the trade. market go ahead yeah could it be with. the lake show cuz I know there's been a. lot of talk about what they're going to. do before the deadline I know ruy aim. Mor's name has been thrown out there but. it feels like maybe that's not going to. happen are they going to land a big star. this year at the. deadline yeah I mean the Lakers are are.

doing their due diligence to see what's. out there the problem is is in terms of. the trade market who there can make that. difference and I think LeBron James. Anthony Davis your two star players I. think they want to see some urgency some. activity with the Lakers uh in their. front office to go out and go get uh. another piece or two and and from my. understanding both LeBron James Anthony. Davis feeling that this team with the. Lakers which is now certified playoff. team they're not on the they're not as. of right now A playin team they're in.

the six seed uh five six games over 500. they feel like if they get another piece. or two that they can really be. legitimate title containers and when. your best players feel that way uh I. think the Lakers will be uh active. they'll they'll continue to do their due. diligence they have two first round. picks they can play with and those picks. so far out uh 29 2029 2031. the value on those Pi is immense 2029. class they got a couple eight Footers.

coming through that middle schooler. right now is going to be ready to go you. know like I think I think they're ready. we we just saw the Suns trade their 2031. first round pick uh the other day for. three potentially a part of the problem. with the and I love that Matt ITA is. going to do whatever the hell he can do. to win [ __ ] it 2031 yeah you can take. whatever you want I don't even know if. I'm going to be the owner then I might. not want to be the owner then if we. don't win now but that is a part of the. problem with the NBA I think for us. taking you guys serious correct yeah I I.

think it is and by us I mean like people. that aren't dieh hard basketball people. it's like you're trading to. 2031 why don't you trade to 2051 too. like why don't you why don't you just go. ahead and get rid of everything well. there's there is parameters on want you. get okay doesn't sound like it and then. Jimmy Butler Superstar for Miami right. he's with the heat he's on he's going to. be gone it's like so is it a uh what is. it what is going on I think that's the. big conversation around the NB did you. just get some breaking news right there. you get some breaking news right there.

uh uh not yet but we might have. something on this show not yet though. not yet not really does it involve this. potential uh is that what you're talking. about it it might it might but we we we. we'll see if we get it we'll see if we. get it him and hauling around here hope. we're able to get that uh Connor has a. question for you Sean yeah Shams there. are reports that Maverick Carter uh was. going to basically make a rival NBA leag. league with Saudi Arabia I believe like. an international type league is that. really happening and is the NBA screwed.

because if mavar does it LeBron's gonna. go and then everyone's just gonna watch. LeBron over there BC I hate to say it I. hate to break it on this show but LeBron. James is 100% not involved in this. endeavor uh Maverick Carter is an. adviser for this group that's putting. together uh a league trying to get. funding $5 billion for this league that. International League that's supposed to. rival the NBA um you know the the NBA is. also working on a league itself. internationally in Europe from my.

understanding Adam Silver spoken about. it actually while he's been in Paris. talking about how they can build a. league in Europe that's kind of going to. be around uh you know the the the Euro. league and and really be able to compete. there but eventually potentially I mean. he didn't close the door but eventually. having maybe a leite a team an NBA team. over there in Europe as well and he's. said you know we we we we'll need to. figure out how the travel would work in. that situation but uh the NBA is also. expanding in Europe as well so there's.

going to be competition for whatever. this international league is okay so. Maverick Carter is an adviser not a bad. person to have in there obviously been. there done with everything LeBron James. is not a part of the international. league he still wants to own a team in. the NBA I assume at some point 100% And. he's been very vocal about Las Vegas and. whatever team they get I mean the the. NBA I don't sense the expansion front is. front of Center exactly right this. moment but of course two three four. years down the line I think it is. something the NBA is going to continue. to take a hard look at and you think.

about Seattle you think about Las Vegas. Mexico City is another uh place that has. gotten some some consideration so the. NBA is going to continue to be mindful. but of course Las Vegas and Seattle are. are front center okay I'm excited to see. how it all works out $5 billion is a lot. of money but to who uh to people legely. potentially behind that that ain't that. ain't nothing you can accidentally just. lose 5 billion allegedly Trump change. Adam Silver knows that he'll be able to. make it happen we love Adam Silver here. Legend very tall he's like Scott Van. Pelt do yeah he just kind of walks in.

and you go holy [ __ ] did not know you. were that tall he's been very good to us. we appreciate him we hope the NBA. continues to go you talk about expansion. I know there's one player in the. expansion draft that everybody would. want because. of the Superstar uhhuh The Branding the. name the opportunity Tai has a question. for you Shams uh can we get an update on. Zion I think he's back he's he's looked. great he actually looks like he's in. shape which is huge um are we are we. hopeful that this is going to be like a. rest of the season thing are we kind of.

penciling in uh him getting hurt again. and missing the most important games of. the Season or do we not have to worry. about that anymore and this is the the. Zion we should come to expect kind of. for the rest of this season and future. years here Schmitty listen we we of. course we of course need and want to see. Zion Williamson uh Play and play for. extended periods of time I'll be honest. I don't know how many important games. the nor Pelicans are going to have for. the remain of the Season just looking at. the record but having Zion Williamson on.

the floor is the biggest thing that they. need uh for the rest of this season and. they need him to continue to build on it. from everything I hear and uh you know. PE people might think it's crazy but. Zion wison really is in the best shape. of his career uh since his rookie season. he hasn't been as light as he is he's. he's listed at 284 he's below that right. now I I can report that so Zion. Williamson is in shape his conditioning. is right and I think over the last few.

weeks getting a a sense on where you. need to be basketball shaped your. nutrition your hydration all the factors. that keep you on the floor when it. matters I I think he started to hone in. on that and um you know the Pelicans. know how important he is when he's. healthy he can he can really P he can. change a franchises fortunes Absol Qui. he needs to get traded to Indiana come. over here to the Pacers they're playing. in Paris uh Pacers are taking on the. Spurs wemy back in Paris here in about. 22 minutes the Pacers are going to win. the entire thing is that where we're at.

right now give us an update on who. matters and who doesn't in this. NBA yeah I mean the the the Indiana. Pacers certainly are are finding their. stride again uh which is good for you. guys I mean what what's the feel in. Indie I mean that was a slow start. Tyrese halberton your guy Pat he got off. to a slow start this year what can you. report on on why there's a got off to a. little bit of slow start there's a. blizzard in the locker room is what I. heard you know oh no was it was it was. it Fifth what was it was it was it fit. well a lot of people are saying a lot of.

things in the Instagram comments. whenever they posted all their. relationships that they're in over there. in Paris there's a lot of things said. about this particular team uh I think. they've taken that in stride I believe. Tyrese halberton we were very much in. contact with him throughout the. beginning of the Season he looked like. he was potting oh yeah he looked like he. was P he knew that he was letting. everybody down he knew that he was not. playing great but all he all it takes. for a guy like Tyrese it's just a couple. couple show couple shake and bakes yeah. and couple shake and bakes baby no look. passes and then he's back in it it's.

like feel around Indies we're just fine. Tyrese and the boys are going to show up. that's F around Indies yeah i' I've. heard the feel around Indies more so. like hey does it really matter because. no one's beaten the Cavs or the Celtics. well just real quick we beat both of. them and also um Caitlyn Clark won 50 of. 54 from three on her birthday I saw that. I saw that that's so Tyrese halberton. Caitlyn CLK Indiana basketball is doing. a okay all right that is that is how we. feel around here and we know when the. playoffs come around they're going to.

play their best ball just like you Shams. we appreciate the hell out of you. brother thank you for staying on top I I. I I do have one thing before I leave I. will say I will say this uh slam dunk. contest in the NBA uh Andre Jackson Jr. of the Milwaukee Bucks has committed to. the NBA Slam Dunk contest at Allstar. Weekend wow uh so now it's masas Bellis. of the Chicago Bulls castle of the San. Antonio Spurs and Andre Jackson Jr of. The Bu those are three of the four of.

the allar. weekend M Mong will'll see if he if he. performs in this slam dun contest in San. Francis Andre J standing inv. M here's here's Andre Jackson Jr number. 44 for the Milwaukee Bucks it's not just. this photo we have a highlight of this. guy going up and again look at him watch. he's coming into the. frame that's who come on now come. on I stand correct inches Above the Rim.

going to go dummy yeah guys got some. bounce but that white boy MC mclung he. also sord see guy we see if if he does. it it's gonna be a show well we know. gonna We Know Matas buellis is coming in. with the real [ __ ] and then Stefan. Castle the second is coming in for the. real deal and then Andre Jackson Jr not. to be confused with Andre Jackson Senior. who also hit his [ __ ] head off the.

rim is going to be there this can be the. greatest dunk contest of all time we. appreciate shout out to Andre Jackson Jr. champion at Yukon uh the Bucks have. played very well with him as a starter. he's emerged as a starter he started. most of the games with the Bucks this. year who have turned around they play. the Heat tonight we knew that and elij. on the heat whether they going to do it. a superstar that's how you bring this. whole thing for full we appreciate you. ladies and gentlemen Sean. yeah don't you be saying it well you. don't know who step Castle come on Coach. I mean you're like watching on the dated.

I mean buellis coach he's one of the. from buellis from buellis Land what you. have country of origin jeez. lak see a. check the way you're saying that is a. little bit aggressive I think I got some. check in me I want to know no you don't. oh do you Pon okay Andre Jackson Jr that. guy flies holy hell did you see him look. at him watch him this. guy's me that jaw stupid he was going.

dummy dude mad dummy and then M mclung. we know who that is yeah of course yeah. that's milk boy that goes through the. sky you guys went last year right you. said it was awesome uh I wasn't there. for the dunk contest you were I was uh. it was. sick. dunk the the big one du they need to. stop with the like 10 tries and act like. it matters you know this is kind of the. trickshot generation you know and I. guess we do it every day every day every.

here Bingo this first attempt yeah if he. makes a shot 30 people $500 shot number. seven MH but if you make that on the. first one it's much better sweet the. dunk contest you see guys miss like. three dunks and then they still do it. and we're supposed to act like we're. impressed and the internet's like this. is impressive it's like in real time it. wasn't though we also need the stars do. dunk contest but why would you if you're. the star why would you risk getting. injured why would you do something so. explosive. you know until the superstars say they. want to do the dunk contest again. nobody's going to take it serious and. that's just a matter of fact and like we.

got an issue with the Pro Bowl of the. NFL like every time I talk [ __ ] to the. NBA people about their All-Star game I'm. always like your guys's [ __ ] All-Star. here such a joke you know Tyre salber. will come in here will'll be like you. guys are going to force people to watch. your [ __ ] allstar game again or. whatever he goes how's the Pro Bowl it's. like valid. yeah that's a very valid uh valid. question so I think the allstar games. all mean something I think the title. matters but it is tough to get H you. know into them nowadays yeah back in the. day NFL wise Stars playing all the studs.

are playing trying to prove something. quarterback challenge I mean it was like. Payton Brett I mean Dan I think all the. big names were throw trying to throw. their arms out they were trying to throw. their arms out nowadays if somebody was. to do that they'd be like you need to. get out of that same thing's happening. in NBA and everything like that so we. dunk uh we dunk on the NBA Allstar game. a lot I think allar games as a whole. have just kind of not figured it out. they're never going to fix the dunk. contest either cuz like you said like. they the Stars need to do it these guys.

make way too much [ __ ] money so like. it's like if they put up even if you. know we always talk about you got to put. up some prize money if they put up like. 500k or like a million to the win of. these guys will be like [ __ ] that I'm. making like $8 million a game so why the. hell would I yeah so when Stefan Castle. steps up to jump from the free throw. line let's not say he sounds like he's. out of a movie what was. it you call that. as a rookie no that's Andre Jackson. Jr oh of course of course I knew that oh. that's right I mean the Three-Point.

Contest has become the best one like now. the Three-Point Contest is the. especially if we got Sabrina and. somebody and Caitlyn and somebody and. they start doing it that's how you. really bring it together Caitlyn's not. missing this year though no she's not so. while they're all playing in three on. three League she's hanging around Taylor. getting some ideas business-wise and. then she's in the gym that's what Kaylin. Clark's doing they did change the game. now there multiple teams are more so. doing like an NHL type uh allar game. Undisputed and there's like uh there's. America and then there's Europe right.

and don't they have like that Rising. Stars game yeah that whole thing going. on also for the dunk contest I mean no. disrespect but bozalis can't be in the. [ __ ] Dunk Contest dude have you seen. can't have that guy in the dunk contest. have you seen Matt D that's different. it's a short white guy who can fly. through the air well I don't need to see. a 7 foot2 Croatian guy in the dunk why. not what if he's. [ __ ] He's not going to do that he's. 72 he's great he's he's very tall I I. want to see some explosion I don't want.

to see or if this guy kisses the top of. the backboard and then the very top yeah. then smooching the top of the backboard. then I will resend all comment wemi. needs to be in a dunk onst he needs to. just walk up to it that would be sick. and not even jump dribble full court and. just [ __ ] slow though slow just just. just one of these. [Music]. yeah that would be awesome that would be.

awesome might be able to do hit Ed maybe. throw Ed in there have him do the same. thing yeah okay so we're brainstorming. we'll continue to do that let's get away. from the NBA let's go to the NFL the. future of the. NFL the NFL Allstar deals like Pro Bowl. stinks that is so bad bad Dodge like are. we having egg toss again and water. balloons and yeah it's fun we were. approached with um helping be a part of. the NFL Pro Bowl like uh being on TV and. everything I don't think we're going to.

be a part of the brainstorm for the. games so we turn it down sure but there. was a couple Mickey Mouse games they. were doing that I did not think we need. to be putting our Superstars through. public St you know we don't need to make. these people look like idiots but I like. that it's competitive you know dodgeball. is fun longest. drive yeah that one was maybe the worst. one. the coolest catch coolest catch also. cool but then when you drop one it's not. a and they were dropping a lot of them. yeah they were going back and they let's.

tryy again off jet Dan Dan is the. Highlight Dan orlovi during the. quarterback Carnival was the highlight. yeah let's talk about the future of the. NFL although we're talking about the. greats join us now ladies and gentlemen. he a man who is former NFL scout but now. he does it on television very well mhm. he hostes combine alongside Rich Eisen. he also host podcast he's also the. commentator for the Los Angeles Chargers. ladies and gentlemen move the sticks. with Daniel. Jeremiah DJ how you doing Bub I'm doing.

great man uh I've got my phone kind of. acting sideways here so it doesn't pick. up my computer I don't know I don't know. why that didn't work that's okay DJ Tech. is obviously something we're all trying. to figure out we were just talking about. the NFL Pro Bowl and the NBA All-Star. game being absolute shite uh I don't. know if they're ever going to be able to. fix it again with how much money and the. analytics we have but hopefully we'll be. able to celebrate great players forever. let's talk about great players coming in. this draft I heard um Brinker talking to. Ramone Foster in another local radio.

show down there and said if you have a. once in a generation Talent at number. one you have to take that player blue. player is what we call them like once in. generation got because they have the. number one overall pick but then also. we'll listen to everything else who's he. potentially talking about there is that. Travis Hunter is that Abdul Carter and. whenever it comes to quarterbacks. everybody still talking shador and cam. Ward really are the only first round. grades and how do you kind of see it all. operating. yeah for me Abdul Carter is the best. player in the draft so when I heard that. and just like blue player uh you know an. elite player someone who's going to step.

in be a pro bowler like right out of the. shoot that was that was what I heard and. to me Travis Hunter is so unique and how. you can use him and all the different. things he can do so that was at least. perked me up a little bit that um this. might not just be you know whether it's. cam Ward versus shadur they have an. needed quarterback it's going to be one. of those two guys uh that perked me up a. little bit to say maybe they're taking a. long range view um and just taking the. best player to me Abdul Carter at a. premier position I would argue the. second most important position on the. field to have a guy at that level of a.

talent I'd be all in on that and he. played through an injury playing the. Orange Bowl which I respect and. appreciate too dominated yeah yeah he's. and Drew Rosen now said I would have. been disrespecting him and his family if. I would have told him not to play for. the good of business so feels like he's. a guy let's talk about the quarterbacks. now because obviously there's a lot of. quarterback needy teams uh shador cam. Ward the only guys being talked about is. that because they're tent their skill. and why okay you know what's coming why. are you draft pundits leaving will.

Howard out of the conversation of being. a first round guy it's because he has. talent around him okay that's his fault. that he has talent around him somebody. has to on Third and 11 somebody has to. get the call know that he's going to. throw a deep shot go out there put his. thing on the table and drop one into. even if Jeremiah's open you still got to. spin that thing and drop a 30 yard ball. to win the national champion. Championship which he did time and time. and time again what am I missing from. you draft pundits why is he ranked so. damn long fourth round people got him as.

fourth rounder 64 240 what are you guys. doing what do I not see DJ in this. entire thing first of all dude you're. you're like the teacher that calls me to. tell me I failed the test that I haven't. even turned in yet yeah let you know I. already know I already know I haven't. even posted anything it comes out next. week like top 50 Mark all that stuff. I here's here's here's the here's the. here's the will Howard discussion he. went on an epic run and I I'm excited to.

get a chance to go through all the all. 22 stuff in these playoff games because. he played great and I'm excited to you. know get a chance to dig in on that the. games I had watched earlier I had. watched I'll just tell you I got my. notes in front of me it was Oregon Penn. State Nebraska the first Oregon game so. the first Oregon game made some nice. throws um you know he had a couple that. got away from him down the field uh on. the on the hole I thought he played well. um but then at the end of the game You. Know How It Ends he he he takes off kind. of a little bit of a brain cramp and. slides and and it goes zeros and they.

lose the game next game I watch is Penn. State again there's a lot of good to. take from that in terms of you know. throwing on balance uh you know some up. and up and down throws over linebackers. under safeties but the first play of the. game predetermines pick six he's running. in the end zone fumbles out of the back. of the end zone okay um then so then I. go to Nebraska so again I just watched. three games early in the proc process. and Coach coach knows you know you you. start with three or four of these games. and then you get a chance to Circle back. and and watch some more as we go and.

Nebraska was the last one he had a sack. fumble and a ball took off on him uh for. a pick in that game so the size he's. 6037 so he's just at 6'4 240 pounds as. you mentioned he can move around um he. can make all the different throws and he. got on an epic heater at the most. important time and I'm I'm going to I'm. going I'm excited to dig into those Pat. he's right on the borderline kind of a. top 50 pick for me at this point in time. but I'm telling you that because I. haven't had a chance to watch this. playoff okay so you're saying that I'm. coming at you sideways I'm not putting.

him in the fourth round you got him a. little bit higher because all anybody. he's much higher he's higher than that. he's a day two guy for me as we sit. right now and we'll see go through the. rest of the process I was a little. bummed because I'm going to be at the. Senior Bowl next week and and right and. understandably so he's played 16 games. he pulled out at a Senior Bowl at the. last at the last minute so I was excited. to see him in person because I've never. stood next to him and get a chance to. see him throw but I have to wait to the. combat so on that note he also carried. the ball I think 16 times in National. Championship l in 16 games he said on. our show Senior Bowl next week I'm.

pretty banged up I I don't know if that. yeah understandable the best usage of. his time he's had you know four senior. Bowls in the biggest moment has had an. incredible game speaking of Senior Bowl. though Chuck has a question for you. Jeremiah yeah so DJ with with nil and. all these players uh decid not to. declare for the draft and stick around. because the the money that's available. to them what what's that doing to your. pool we got the Fe you know senior Bulls. February 1st I think are you missing out. on on a bunch of guys to you know the.

point you just talking about the kid at. Ohio State but these guys that are. staying in school what what's the pool. look like and then the second part would. be back to Travis Hunter put your GM hat. on where would where would you take him. as would you take him as a dback a. corner or a wide receiver well I want to. start with that one because I want to go. back to you quickly on that coach. because most times when you have guys. that can do the two-way thing and it. goes back to you know Champ Bailey and. and Woodson all those guys they major in. defense and they minor in offense it's. just a lot easier to sprinkle them in on.

offense than to sprinkle him in on. defense the challenge for me coach I. actually like him better at receiver. than I do at corner uh and he's you know. he's not big he's going to be a little. over you know 170 175 pounds so asking. him you know even though he was able to. do it in college I think in the NFL. where they're going to pull him into the. Run game a little bit more um I I don't. you know I I prefer him on offense over. defense I'd like to sprinkle him in but. coach I'd love to know your take can you. do that can you go the other way and. major in offense and minor in defense. okay and Chuck will give his take on.

that Daniel Jeremiah will continue to. break down the draft boards on YouTube. ESPN plus Disney plus and Tik Tok live. we'll see you tomorrow on ESPN. goodbye okay with that being said Travis. Hunter easier to be offense defense guy. or do you think you're going see both. hembo sent me a stat that he has been I. think pushing throughout a lot of the. ESPN folks you know average top 10 wide. receiver at this point top five wide. receiver 30 million MH average top five. top 10 corner like 20 million there's a. chance this guy's a $50 million player.

if he's able to be top five at both. positions I think that's going to be. incredibly difficult I think everybody. that's been in the NFL thinks that's. going to be incredibly difficult there's. a chance he's different though right is. there a chance that Travis Hunter is. different as a guy who grew up in. Boulder and love the Colorado Buffalo. yeah I studied him DJ uh earlier this. year watched all his tape uh as a corner. and then uh Jay Gro we do a deal in 33. te he broke him down as a white out this. guy is a rare rare rare elite talent I. mean what I saw him do on the defensive.

they weren't real complicated he played. you know obviously a bunch of press man. they sprinkled in some to deep here and. there um so from a you know coverage. standpoint uh quarters this that and the. other he's got some learning to do but. he but he's rare and don't you think I. just think it's harder to find Corners. than it is to find white outs and I. think you can find white out but the. true cover guys like if you want to be a. pressure team and you want to get after. people and you want to get lock down. corners and take away uh you know the. the white outs and and play press.

coverage I just think those guys are are. so hard to find and and to me it would. be like go that route put them on. defense and then you know have a have a. package on I think it's easier cuz a Red. Zone a third down you know whatever. whatever that is and then go the other. way we've seen it go the other way we've. seen Bell you know use Troy use some. guys that you know Play Nickel Corner in. a pinch you know if guys are injured and. things like that but yeah the guy the. guy is rare wherever he goes and. whatever side he plays on I think he's. going to be. spectacular yeah he's he's coach I I I.

love that uh Viewpoint and I think. that's kind of the you know that's been. traditional right is that you you you're. going to play defense it is harder every. year we always I always send out a tweet. every year and it's free PSA for high. school kids I said every year in the. draft room and every year I've been. doing this on the media side of things. I'm trying to trim my receiver list and. I'm trying to find Corners so if if you. have a chance to do one or the other you. you got better odds if you go to corner. of of making it to the next level so I. I'm with you on that my only thing is I.

think of guys slender frame corners just. has that's you know Jason verret I go. back to him who's a great great player. just couldn't stay healthy Denzel ward. has been beat up a lot who had a similar. type frame for Cleveland like this is. not Pat ceran this is not a 200 pound. you know big sturdy physical guy and I. just feel more in the college game where. you can kind of you know you can kind of. be removed from the action a little bit. more and he can cover like a son of a. gun but I feel like in the NFL with so. many these condensed formations and. bringing these guys into run fits that's.

where I just worry about him holding up. over the long term that was my concern. hey Force fumble to win a game big time. he has like three Force fumbles on the. year Travis Hunter is an absolute dog. can he maintained being that Ferrari for. an entire NFL season against adults we. shall see special talent go ahead AJ. Daniel what about shador Sanders what do. you think uh his Outlook is do you think. he does anything at the combine does he. need need to and I guess where do you. see him where do you see a good fit. would be for him well he's he's uh. there's pretty split opinions around the.

leags pretty polarizing actually but uh. to me when you watch him the things you. can't that are irrefutable he has got. just a pure pure throwing motion he is a. natural thrower it is it is real pretty. the way the ball comes out of his hand. he's extremely accurate um he's. incredibly tough he got the living you. know tar kicked out of him uh over the. last few years there at Colorado those. things you can't refute now the people. that AR in his high sh are going to say. well he doesn't have Elite size he. doesn't have an elite arm and he's not. an elite athlete so it's like everything. he does is right here he doesn't do.

those other things over the line so. that's where some of the you know. disconnect comes around the league I. think he you get him in the right place. you protect him he's a point guard um he. can be very very efficient so I I think. him and cam Ward that's going to be a. fun discussion I have Cam Ward right now. over him um but I have both those guys. as a clear cut top two guys and there's. so many quarterback needy teams um that. are going to have opportunities there in. the top 10 I think they both go up there. in the top 10 cord's number one guy.

why he's just got more he's got more. life in his arm he's a little bit more. explosive as an athlete when he takes. off and goes um I just think he can. expand your playbook a little bit more. um both of them have played a ton of. football um I just think I give him a. little bit of the check he's about 25. pounds heavier um he's just a bigger. sturdier stronger dude what the [ __ ]. dude you know who I'm going to bring up. right now who we got [ __ ] will Howard.

you can look gam lost to Syracuse no. offense no offense it's a [ __ ] defense. okay so will hard he fumbled a ball I. heard to Jeremiah say oh he threw a bad. P it's like you look at anybody's tape. looking for [ __ ] bad you're gonna find. it you know on any I mean Pat I mean I. don't have it in front of me Pat but I'm. pretty sure Miami had like the number. one scoring offense number one passing. offense in the nation like they they he. he's pretty good yeah playing in the ACC. they stole a win against Virginia Tech. they stole a win against Cal they stole.

a win against I mean I don't I love cam. Ward I am not saying that cam Ward is. not a guy that I won on my team but just. acting like there is because you guys. are the ones say and once again you. didn't put your test out yet so I guess. I shouldn't judge you but all these. draft people are like this a bad. quarterback class this is a bad. quarterback class the [ __ ] that. just won the National Championship who's. 64240 now we're here he's not a good one. he's not he's not a good one he can run. all over the yard yeah he did it. whenever he's at Kansas state was a big. 12 Player of the Year there he has too.

many weapons though it's like what the. [ __ ] he gets the NFL is he GNA have I. don't he's smart he figures things out. he's in a new offensive system with Chip. Kelly Ryan day he's only gotten. bet Pat we got a long way before the. draft you gotta pace yourself man I'm. not happy about it I don't like I think. it's disrespectful this guy and this. friends boys too. if he uh so here's an interesting one so. if you took you did you see Old Miss at. all this year Jackson Dart are you. talking about Jackson Dart I'm saying if.

you took Jackson Dart and thises Ohio. State and then AJ I'll get your take on. that as someone who's Buckeye and. watches a Buckey if you took Jackson. Dart and he got to throw to Jeremiah. Smith and Tate and a abuka and had those. two running backs behind him and had all. those NFL line do you think Jackson Dart. would have won the National Championship. that's cute that's very cute we're doing. that with Brock pie in the NFL too or do. his brain matter in this no no no no no. I'm just I'm just saying I'm just saying. I look I'm I'm just asking a question. here that's okay yeah it sounds like.

you're a [ __ ] hater I think I think. Jackson I think Jackson dart's pretty. good I think he's pretty talented I like. him too I like him to I like Jackson. Dart as well I think a lot of the other. stuff people are going to wonder about. if he's a face of a program face of a. franchise any other stuff is not stuff. that I don't like I love that he went. out on Halloween and then two nights. later threw for 500 yards or something. like that I like he's all tatted up and. the whole thing I'm just saying there's. some teams that are probably going to be. like that's not what we want for the. face of our franch I'm not saying that's. right I'm just saying whenever you're.

projecting is this because the eye black. is this because the eye black I think. that is a part I think that it is not a. tattoo by the way Pat that is that. removes itself like that's he doesn't. have like the Mike Tyson almost kind of. wish it was fulltime uh so now I don't. know how to judge but I'm just saying. I'm not judging Jackson Dart for that. I've gone a bad for Jackson Dart but I'm. saying NFL teams will which leads back. to will Howard this guy's B face [ __ ]. just all American Kids everything about. him is just like does I don't know I. don't know I hope Jack Pat what state. are Pat what state are you from.

Pennsylvania where's will Howard from. yeah downington [ __ ]. yeah I'm just trying to get I'm just. trying to get to the core of this thing. hey if you could go down why don't you. do some research do a little homework. project who has the most hall of fame. quarterbacks just go through what a. state has it and then Circle back to me. whenever you get a chance and uh that'll. be a great convo once again love cam. love shador I mean if we're going to. throw Jackson in there sweet love. Jackson but I just feel like this guy. with we' seen it we we watched it live.

and that Tennessee defense was supposed. to be you know like Thumpers we fast. freezing cold it's a different game. we're making excuses for everybody but. will Howard obviously but in that. particular case he just he looks the. part like everything about him just. looks the part if he was 510 if he was. like 5'11 I would understand them saying. you're like a fifth or sixth rounder. because like oh he's a stud but you know. he might probably don't have the height. for the NFL game but instead he's. [ __ ] gigantic he's a huge yeah but. I've yeah but I've never said that fifth. sixth round like that's that's crazy.

talk to me like I I I think he's he's. GNA be a day two pick which is a second. or third round and then if he Aces it. like teams meet with him and fall in. love with him and everything then sure. who who knows uh how high he can go but. I will say when I'm watching when I'm. watching him guys real quick and I'm. watching God I mean I Can't Take My Eyes. Off four I Can't Take My Eyes Off trayon. Henderson I that that Penn State game. trayan Henderson on one of will Howard's. touchdown run he puts the freaking. corner from Penn State he just puts his. face in his chest and puts him on the.

ground like that is a bad dude man and. nobody that's what I don't understand. I'm look at like some of the stuff has. come out I haven't seen everything but. just some of the buzz and I'm like. looking I'm like where's trayon. Henderson in the first round of these. things what what am I missing on him. yeah and if he's not there's another. problem why is everybody because they. got Jeremiah Smith on the team and. Judkins on for over a thousand as well. in the same back it's like that's their. fault that they got put on a good roster. that they put together a good roster. it's like they all rallied around will. too which is a whole another and Trevon. Henderson like I'm cool with Jud coming.

in here it's like the human aspect thing. yeah you guys seemingly get lost in a. little bit I think Well here here's and. it look it's hard to separate someone. from their situation I will say and this. will be a point that that is on your. side of the fence for sure on this is. that we there was people wasn't me but. there were people that with burrow he's. got Jamar Chase and he's got Justin. Jefferson like how much is this burrow. how much is this is The Supporting Cast. we saw it last year with Jaden Daniels. with Malik neighbors um and the other.

freak who went to Jacksonville U yeah. yeah was at Brian Thomas Jr so like. these these things are this is the way. it works most of the quarterbacks. especially in the nil era where you can. move around guess what they're going to. gravitate toward where all the receivers. are so they can play with them yeah and. those teams are going to have the money. you know and those that money is going. to be spent on probably receivers and. running back so I'm excited to see how. it all turns out they're not the only. quarterback so there's more go ahead Ty. yeah DJ obviously this is a very. quarterback needy draft for a lot of.

teams before the college football season. started both Jaylen milro and Quinn yers. you know in a lot of mock drafts hey. these are top 10 guys maybe top five. guys and then as the season has went on. and the process has went on both of. these guys are kind of just sliding down. best available sliding down draft boards. and now we're looking at I don't know is. Quinn is going to be a third round pick. a fourth round pick same with. why have those guys dropped so much and. do you think there is a world where one. of these teams panics who needs a. quarterback and we end up having you. know four quarterbacks taken in the top.

10 well I can't see it being in the top. 10 but I could see you know maybe you. know in the first round or first two. rounds um we'll take those individually. like ERS I watched him over the summer I. was excited about him coming into this. year um and I felt I was higher on him. than a lot of people but I I I saw some. good things from his tape I saw uh. someone who I thought had some twitch to. him and and you know quick eyes quick. release and uh you know I was hoping he. was going to take that next step now he.

got hurt and one of the things that I. got to try and you know figure out and. and get information on as we go through. the spring is you know how how much of. that impact him because he didn't play. as well he wasn't as urgent and quick as. as he played but then he's got the. oblique you know that bothered him he. had high ankle sprain so how much did. that impact it um but he did he didn't. play as well as as. me and some others had hoped he would. based off where he was last year and. then um when you get to Alabama and you. watch milro he just you want him to be. good so bad because everything you hear.

he's a great kid he's freaking jacked. he's a big strong physical kid he's can. run like crazy and just like can you. just take the next steps as a passer and. then you know just some of the. decision-making you Oklahoma game is one. that jumps out just kind of got away. from him and he's got a huge opportunity. at the Senior Bowl next week um he's. going to be down there so get a chance. to see him I think you know just the. traits like we've seen that go sideways. as of late when you just kind of go all. in on traits and you know some of the.

quarterbacking stuff isn't there and. you're like okay well we'll just that's. G to come sometimes it doesn't so that's. going to be what you know he's a little. bit of an enigma but somebody will do it. he's going to go on day two just because. the tools are so interesting yeah he's. electrifying whenever he's playing grade. yeah and that is certainly something you. would like to bet on potential and uh. potential get your ass fired you know. but potential yeah I've heard that. massive piece of you know the entire. draft process now you mentioned a Senior. Bowl there Chuck mentioned it but tone. wants to hammer yeah I wanted to Circle. back on it DJ I I saw a stat I think 70.

underclassman are coming out this year. and then pre nil I think the last year. like 13 underclassman came to the draft. that year and Chuck kind of touched on. it earlier what has what has that done. for the draft process in general with. with the ni yeah I'm glad you brought. that back because I forgot to answer. that part of the question um you know. what's interesting I think we've caught. up a little bit so what's happened is. yeah we don't have as many kids coming. out but we also now are getting the. benefit of having some seniors that. would have been in last year's class um.

that decided to stay in last year so I. feel like from a talent pool standpoint. um I still think it's deep um I I I. think especially like defensive lines. loaded tight ends loaded running backs. loaded offensive line is solid um it's. just kind of a weird year because we've. had so many years of these just. incredibly deep receiver groups um but. for some reason this year it's not you. know it's not as star studded but I. don't think that's nil based because uh. you know most of these top guys they.

came out the problem is just the weird. part of college football the best. receivers in college football right now. are all freshman and sophomores they're. all like that big wave is coming uh in. the next couple years but I I I don't. think it's as impactful now because I. think we finally caught up so where we. might miss a couple kids that stayed in. and took the money to stay in school but. we're getting the benefit of the kids. that stayed in last year Year all right. well there's also the guys doing seven. eight years college ball congrats to. them becoming doctors while playing. football through oh dude so here here's. one that I heard the other day by the.

way was that these think about the. quarterbacks with nil and it was talking. about um some of the movement that we've. seen and it said people don't know like. okay they might be getting three or four. million bucks like the top top guys and. maybe that's you know Georgia kid that. goes to Miami like he could we get three. you know million around there but they. people don't know is a lot of the. trading card agreements that they do. with either you know Panini or tops. whoever they're signing their deals with. they have Clauses in there that if you. are a first round pick the value of your. signature goes through the roof so.

you're talking four five six million. doll kickers if you end up being a first. round pick so if you're a quarterback. and right you don't have have a great. year or you're like I don't know I'm. maybe a second round pick like okay I. can stay in college I can get a. guaranteed three or four I go in the. first round I might get a five or six. million kicker on this trade deal that. like it's. yeah Domo rato Mr robato through the end. there that was fantastic I don't know. what's happening with your audio but I. love that because that's potentially. Drew Aller right I mean Drew Allard goes.

back at Penn State could have left once. the NFL has the game end the way it ends. where he throws a pick and then they. kick a field goal obviously against D. Dam it's like you're definitely going. back to school he can continue to grow. and Ascend and do his thing I'm excited. for everybody college football is in a. great place Daniel Jeremiah we're in a. good spot with you breaking down players. I still think you're [ __ ] full as. [ __ ] with Will Howard but I'll be. excited to see where you land on him. legitimately I will be excited no you're. the best man I love you guys I'll see. you guys later you too ladies and. gentlemen move the sticks and DJ I.

called him this morning just soon as he. answer FaceTime haven't talked to him in. months answers it what the [ __ ] your. guys' problem he goes what I go will. Howard a fourth rounder this is. unbelievable you guys don't know ball. anymore is it what we don't watch film. we don't look for good players what are. we even talking about he goes I don't. have them as a fourth rounder just so we. have that clear I'm like so he's a. first-rounder he goes I don't have him. as a first runner either I'm like what. am I missing I did the entire thing he. obviously answers any time we call him.

we appreciate him but he's like in those. rooms you know has been he's been very. accurate too whenever he makes his. projections for draft so whenever he's. speaking we will certainly listen we. appreciate him taking time and I. understand Jeremiah Smith's a real deal. he is Ooka is a real deal he is Cardinal. Tate he is Judkins is Henderson is. offensive line is but that's not his. fault like that's what this is going to. become whenever you're a quarterback. that transfers and gets paid a bunch of. money cuz you're not the only position. they're paying a bunch of money to well. I State's paying every position to try.

to be as good as possible now they're. not the only School obviously we just. learned Miami's paying three to four. million down there for Carson Beck how. much you guys spend on defensive side. down there Gumpy how much you spending. down there zero not enough not enough. not with that DC who's the new who's the. new DC uh they got him from Minnesota. he's actually very good stoked for that. cuz last guy stunk you're a Miami guy. that's a positive they need it defense. oh yeah that was tough to watch which is. weird because Chris Ball was supposed to.

be a defensive guy yeah but he speaks. Spanish so he's good fit down it won't. matter either way cam Ward's a real deal. though cam Ward almost went to Florida. State right instead goes to Miami think. if Miami would have got DJ OU young La. that would have been a little bit of a. different situation we assume going. forward cam Ward flips that entire. program down there then the football GS. start blessing them they were getting. lucky you know win win win win defense. wasn't able to stop anything cam ward in. that offense electrifying I'm not saying. cam Ward isn't a great player I'm not. saying shador isn't a great player. either but it's like you can't just play.

the game you drop Jackson Dart in. otherwise you think they turn on Jackson. Dart after the losses you think he. motivates the boys you think he gets. along with the locker room you think he. has celebrations with everybody maybe. I'm just saying we can't just do that. that game it's not will Howard's. fault well when when when go ahead sorry. AJ no Chuck you go please no so like. when we draft a quarterback to one of. these CL all we talk about is. surrounding them with what weapons okay. so we're not supposed to give a kid in. college or or or the NFL weapons.

speaking so he has a speaking of a. couple weapons speaking of weapons whoa. what timing sorry AJ tone digs tone digs. on a diet he's eating baby carrots for. snacks Y and he's almost got me to join. in then Chuck today shows up with some. of these appil FR things oh my God. oh my God and then this is going to show. up after the show I. know fat Pats continuing for at least. another week it appears had some had. some mac dough oh yeah but I took off.

half the muffin oh yeah you know it's. just protein you're good yeah just egg. Canadian bacon cheese that's I'm okay. it's actually like super healthy keto. I'm trying to get better yeah yeah. exactly people would say that that was a. smart play butt me a healthy play by me. it's like eating like a kale Shake. almost exactly and maybe I'll take the. just the top of the pizza off would just. be cheese and pepperon sure and I'll. just eat that just eat the cheese and. the pepperon a little bit of sauce. little sa. tomatoes tomato so I don't eat that but.

I'll tell you what team pizza or team. Wings how about team both how's that. sound how about I'm on both sides and if. we're going to pick I'm definitely on. team bone in Wings yeah than team. chicken nugget with sauce on top of it. MH but mad respect mhm for all parties. it's all the goat what's the score of. the Pacers Spurs game currently taking. place in Paris France bonjour Messi Boku. we we. tyes Hal Burton I don't know if you saw. that they took their families over there.

yeah significant others pretty cool they. took photos posted on Instagram Obie. topping got engaged nobody has uh nobody. congratulated any of them from the. comments I saw the [ __ ] yeah I didn't. know was who they playing over there. Spurs wemy wem's back did they bring. their families I so is it is this just a. circus trip like H it does. toing got engaged down there. congratulations. well he's in love he's in love I haven't. been paying attention but have we won 10.

or 12 in a row or whatever so we're good. with just going over and having a field. trip and having fun playing a game it's. mandated [ __ ] you know how the NFL. you have to go play in London did you. have to go play in London yeah we had to. go play Jacksonville leave the hotel no. we didn't we had curfew bro yeah we're. over there to win a damn game filin. remember yeah God damn right you didn't. sneak out to have a pine Chuck fish and. chips yes see look you did yeah D no. wonder you got canned I didn't I want to.

let. you you know what I was about to. say please when I looked over there. minute ago and I'm just looking at like. how sweet hair looks right now and I'm. picturing like a lot of blue paint on. his face okay yeah. hold what do you think looks like. William. Wallace bra I watch braveart last night. it's funny you mentioned that did you. really I did every time TNT or one of. the I mean it's on can't turn it off.

times a year I watch how do you watch. all these things oh because I've seen it. like a hundred times and I just know. like okay I'm going to watch the start. where Mill Gibson kills like 50 people. very violently and then I'll kind of. just zone out I'll go I'll be I'll be in. bed by 9:30 got it do you watch it on. like 2x speed no just normal I know. where all the good parts are we need to. go back and watch that last 44 minutes. of Top Gun I need to go watch that good. call that's good have you seen it yeah. when they're taking off the carrier yeah. from them taking off the carrier all the.

way to the end yep worth it just so much. [ __ ] America so much Tom Cruz my Tai. doing his thing hang man saving the day. oh you're welcome man I I kind of want. to little watch it right now I don't. blame you they've not tipped off yet in. Paris you know how that go you how Paris. go that French Town it is two nothing to. Indiana Pacers so maybe the field trip. was worth it Chuck as you continue to. question the Pacers motives wemy uhoh.

cross up into paint dish K great D smack. the floor this American power what a. shot over murin there 22 in Paris so one. game and then back home they got a game. on Saturday as well I don't know if it's. in Paris or if it's somewhere else. believe it's in Paris yeah and they play. the Spurs again don't they yeah Ty. Salton comes off a pick he needs to pull. up from right there we saw him in the. Thunder them shoot from there and he. didn't miss shoot that. bucket don't like the board we didn't we.

didn't have anybody really that is. Castle I believe right there the DK. contest yeah just drible out bound Bingo. tell you what hard to watch here yeah. this. s it's in it's in France so it's a. little different these guys ain't locked. in well yeah they are teas and PE to. Greg papic. best team in the city Co and to load. management load this no they're. different not the spacers the spacers. teams play they play Carlile has the.

boys running Bingo there it is pop that. Tyrese my God I mean miles yeah right I. don't know why you're doing that in wy's. town I don't know why you're doing that. take a har Barnes. yep what' you say AG or what you said. it's on NBA TV and we all have that. we do where do you find that what is. that I'm not 100% sure but I know that. that is not where we thought this game. was going to be steep back.

oh looks like aoo it does a that might. be a part of the NBA's issue right there. can't find it and when I do turn it on. it's crop it's absolute crop Ty needs to. be shooting that [ __ ] ball why is he. passing it we'll be back on the other. side Chuck's going make his picks Pacers. Take the Lead mhm we're an international. show all of a sudden boom bonjo Sava Sav. Messi Boku cuz life is fantastic be a.

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tables here at BOS Conor at Tai Schmid. one half of the hammer Cowboys AP tonis. here wearing the Duke Kane football. hoodie I saw you got a ring yeah I'm an. A10 Champion wow where'd you put the. ring at it's still at my house I'm going. to bring it in here okay so Duke K sent. you a championship ring a hoodie and a. helmet yeah wow go Dukes yeah great. people great day to be a duke it is a. great day to be a Duke you're a champion. uh 36 years in football as a coach 18 in. college 18 in the NFL Chuck p is here B. we got a chance to watch some NBA there.

during the break obviously over there in. Paris wemy has gone uh ape [ __ ] since we. turned the game off hit a three and Then. followed up with a two Tyrese has also. hit a step back three we need more of. that uh has it been uh an electrifying. day in your mind talking about this NBA. the association what a sport what a game. what a. league jeez what the hell Chuck jeez I. don't know I don't know how anybody. until the playoffs I will not watch a. game okay listen that's Chuck Pagano and. to you basketball people there's a lot.

of people that feel that way and I I. think you shouldn't be mad at Chuck I. think you should just understand that's. reality of the situation but if Tyrese. Hal Burton starts cooking and Miles. Turner starts doing his thing and spicy. p and Carlile The Coach starts doing. more press conferences this Pacers. team's going to be mustat must watch and. you know why we only got three Football. games left yep mhm two of them on Sunday. that's so depressing agreed that's why. we're starting to do this whole song and. dance here about the NBA you know we're. trying to Zion yeah the Celtics yeah c.

yeah OKC yeah cool story Jackson J yeah. houon that's what we're starting to do. here Chuck you can sense it hockey's. cooking hockey is awesome people need to. talk about it more Pittsburgh Penguins. on fire right nowo fire. they're not very good are they hey big. win against the LA. Kings how's Jo doing who Joo H it's. sacko you bag of.

bones did you hear about did you hear. about D is he still the head coach is he. still the head coach yeah are they on a. runner they just lost 5-1 yeah let's. let's not talk about just the boss of. BRS did you hear about D over there. about what D D D's. almost had him got coach Sav got coach. Sav during break at game day necessar. forgot about that yeah I completely. forgot about until came into my mind. during a commercial break and I was like. hey D wanted to talk to you he goes D.

who I go and I just look away and it was. like two minutes later [ __ ] you you got. it coach shav the band did you see him. on the pivot oh I did man I saw I love. that crowd I mean I love Crowder and. what he does yeah the bathroom stories. pretty awesome yeah chanon Crowder. saying it was oh yeah here this clip. from pivot about Coach Sav is a great. depiction of who he he's a football guy. through and through who happens to. become the greatest of all time in. college coaching one of the greatest. leaders of all time one of the greatest.

teachers of all time but at the end of. the day he's a football guy from West. Virginia here's him on the pivot talking. with chanon Crowder about their times at. the Miami Dolphins speaking of Terry I. don't know if you remember this. interaction in the. bathroom I was in the bathroom at a. dolphin facility and I was playing on my. phone that little bathroom right by. front door by the team meeting room and. you walked in and I saw you through the. crack cuz I was in the store and I knew. it was you and I said I have to go out. here and I walked out and I went to the.

sink and I started washed my hand I. looked over and I knew I had to say. something to you're the head coach of. the Dolphins you're Nick damn saving and. my first thought but in all the uh. meetings you used to talk about Miss. Terry you talk about your wife and she. brought us cookies she brought cookies. to the team yeah and Coach I looked over. and this is about 10 games in to the. season and I think it was I forget it. was Buffalo running back but I end up. giving up a third down catch to the. running back on the option route and. this is Wednesday at practice and I'm.

washing my hands I look over I say hey. coach how's Miss Terry and you looked at. me and said she'll be a lot better if. you can cover a [ __ ] back on third. day that's. right she want to. win but it always blows my mind when you. saw me I was had to be 3 days later. that's you thought about me giving up. that third and seven when I asked you.

how's Miss Terry yeah you got to get off. the field on third. down what an answer what a response I'm. happy Channing and he had that moment. obviously but after getting to hang out. with Sabin every single week dude is. awesome you can see why he was so. successful what a run he's been on I. hope he talks more I hope he does more. leadership stuff well miss Terry too. like yeah she knows uhhuh got to be able. to get off the [ __ ] field bub life. would be a lot better for all parties we. win there that's the whole thing about.

families and coaches it's like they ride. the of everything right and like they. say hey we don't we're not going to but. hell yeah they do have to they have to. yeah there's no way around it missa is. awesome not gr you've said some things. on this show about her this year that I. don't think is necessarily great but you. know what we're talking pass that well. we could bring it right back up we won't. though that's what our show does but. what I thinke she just she forgot about. it to I mean we don't need to bring it. up well you're calling her I don't I I. don't think you're forgetful Miss Tina I.

I think you had a great brain I think. you're very happy I think you understand. what Chuck did this year while giving. out picks waffling with the syrup and. everything like that but I do know that. your Championship pick uh picks are. about to be the best you've ever had. how'd you do this past weekend 31 I. believe so CH was 3- one this past. weekend you're seeing the board you're. seeing it clearly let's talk about these. chionship games and what your. expectations are coach yeah so. um Philly and Washington they split in. the regular season right I just think. Washington is playing so much better.

team football right now I think Philly. obviously they can run the ball they've. struggled who' have thought that they. would have beat the Rams right and AJ. Brown and and Devonte Smith would have. six catches for 35 yards between the. two like they just and and jaylen's. holding the ball and holding it and. holding it and there's nobody there's. nobody getting open open they know each. other so there may be a wrinkle like. they talked about a wrinkle here or. there on both sides of the ball some. little gamesman [ __ ] whatever but I like.

I like and again Washington 30th and run. defense throughout the course of the. year um this guy had almost three hard. 300 yards rushing and four touchdowns in. two games saquan did on these guys but I. like I like the commanders and the. points in this one you continue with the. dogs cuz I just think that all the. pressure is on Philly they're at home. the expectations with with serani and I. and I love coach Joey panunzio my Bon.

from home. pzi. big you Kidd kidding me I but the all. the pressure is on them in Washington. they're they're playing with house money. they've exceeded expectations by two. million to this point you know and. that'll change next year obviously but. this kid's playing so free he's mature. Beyond his years Jaden Daniels um yeah. lural he's going to go Shadow you know. AJ Brown and and all that stuff so.

they'll make just enough play Lou Vu oh. J he did to goof I mean goth his name. Jerry go turned him into a goof no he. turned him back yeah turn him back. should have been called commanders. beating the Lions I assume that was on. your ref call the one that you're on. every week saying how do I stick up for. the refs every week I appreciate you. doing that for them it should have been. called obviously defenseless player even. though he's trying to make a tackle they. missed that them beating the Lions gave. me a thought that Notre Dame could beat. Ohio State I was like you know what. commanders just beat the damn Detroit. Lions Detroit Lions more healthy than.

they've been for a long time Detroit. Lions most dominant at home they got. Eminem there they got wo W you know. Jello ball performing up there they got. it all I didn't think there was a chance. the commanders are going to win that. game I didn't think there was either and. I didn't think the Lions would turn the. ball over as much as they did that was. the key to the game they did not take. care of the ball five turnovers. obviously three interceptions from Jared. gof one interception from Jameson. Williams then add in a fumble on that. that's impossible but also the. Commander's out physical the Detroit. Lines they showed up they keep it really.

really simple on the defensive side they. don't do they don't do a whole lot. they're going to play a bunch of. Middlefield closed single high mix in uh. some two here and there little fire zone. three under three deep but them some. [ __ ] play hard and they play fast you. know who else feels the same way you do. I think he was leading towards it hard. as soon as the game was announced AJ. Hawk mhm ain't that right AJ yeah six. points the six points definitely. definitely has me curious about this. Commander team no question he's a big. fan of the commander Squad I mean how.

could you not be after the wins that. they just got right there and is it a. team of Destiny yeah if they win they'll. be the third ever team to win against. the three seed two seed and one seed uh. the other two being the 2005 Steelers. and the 2010 AJ Hawk Packers and what. did they do they all won the Super. Bowl interesting dang history says if. the boys are able to get a win here in. Philly which are going to be tough. against the Johns especially with the. 30th Rush defense that's not good. especially with what Philadelphia is and. they know what they are it's like this. Commander team can beat anybody they.

proved that last week and obviously. that's football Any Given Sunday. especially Championship Sunday now let's. go to the AFC Patrick Mahomes taking on. Josh Allen how do you see it going uh. Chuck Pano yeah I mean everybody would. love to see Josh Allen and this Buffalo. Bills try to get over the hump but like. I'm not I'll take Kansas City I I just. wow until somebody knocks him off and. and beats him. uh the first they had 22 yards they lost. the third down battle they lost the rush.

battle um the only battle they won last. against Houston was the. penalties but anyway I'm not. going you want to Joe mix in this thing. real quick 212 yards I mean it looked. like I mean nothing and they wi by eight. or nine points still you know you know. what I mean yes so until somebody goes. in there and you knock Pat Mahomes off. and and Kel's hit his stride when he. came on your program and he said I feel. like I'm 22 Again by God he look.

22 we didn't know Caitlyn was going to. be there. too2 yeah who's number 22 she might be. there again yeah maybe we'll see uh. here's some stats from hembo James Cook. in his four playoff games with Joe Brady. as offense coordinator he's averaging 92. scrimmage yards per game on 22 touches. and uh 53 out of 87 total touches are on. first down James Cook let him cook first. uh highest touchdown interception ratio. in playoff history minimum 300 attempts. number one all time Josh Allen okay.

number two all time Patrick Mahomes. Chris Jones has only sacked Josh Allen. once in their seven meetings but he's. pressured him 25 times and created 20. incompletions while being doubled 55% of. the times check 95 Mike's 95 Chris Jones. absolute dog Hollywood Brown was only. twice had zero catches on 20 routes. against Houston going to have to get him. back in everything Amari Cooper just. gave an interview for the first time. yesterday did you hear that yeah it was. impressive it was he was talking about.

the last game of the season you're the. win or lose he was talking about the. finality a championship he said I've. been a part of it two times maybe three. times Amari Cooper's won a lot remember. Nick Sabin told us that throughout his. entire time with Amari Cooper as an. Alabama uh football team remember we. talked we had zero one conversation one. he never talked super quiet guy which I. think has led some people to believe. he's checked out and Nick sa's like he's. not checked out he's very much locked in. he's just quiet he gave an interview and. he talked about Championship mentality. and what it takes he's a full team guy. yeah Amari Cooper in the Buffalo Bills.

perfect seemingly a perfect marriage up. there Amari Cooper has been targeted. nine times on 60 routes run across his. last five games what's that all about I. don't know what's Josh Allen doing give. him the ball well I mean last week. offensively you know I mean Josh Allen. only threw for what 124 yards like it. you know they just like Pat yeah exactly. just like Jaylen right not a lot of pass. yards you know you win the turnover. battle you know four nothing and don't. expect it because if they stay in in.

base defense McDuffy will travel and I. think he'll line up across you know from. from Amari and and take him out when you. go to Nickel then McDuffy goes in inside. the slot and that'll be a good one to. watch him and Shakir Shak cuz I love. Shakir I mean he's a Boise State Bronco. this some [ __ ] is a war Daddy is came. out of nowhere mhm I mean he catches the. ball and guess what he does what's that. north and south turns up field he. doesn't go sideways and. get is that cuz he want the Boise State.

you think what's that cuz he want the. Boise State I know he loves Jesus I. don't know what it's because but the. guy's a dog have to love Jesus your boys. a. state amen facts who's the coach over. there Spencer derson hell of a coach. hell of a broam young guy right 30 what. 37 38 I mean very young hold's buddy at. Arizona State 30 what oh. four right Dan Lanning what's he 3 what. 38 too I think Marcus Freeman what's he. 399 39 Ryan day is 45 I mean there's a.

youth and then you got bill bich yeah. coming in coming in 7 Walker. media what the. [ __ ] I'm just Josh and you know I love. coach yeah absolutely love them respect. appreciate them you uh that's the first. favorite you've picked is Kanas City. Chiefs you know for the last two weeks. you went dog dog dog no I took. Baltimore Baltimore yeah you're right. that was your one loss yep that's just. because you're whole oh so yeah you just. hate the bills makes sense you don't.

believe in the bills well and the Pagano. family is on the Baltimore Ravens and. the Washington commanders why is that. well he coach for the Ravens then isn't. doesn't your brother coach for the. commies mhm oh isn't that interesting. but we thought we were running a [ __ ]. no you remember during the season I was. sitting right over there and you know. who was sitting right here jelly first. name jelly last name ro ro Who's down.

like a 200 lb looks he's been doing up. Downs on the stage jelly hell yeah yeah. I don't think Jelly's watching remember. we were talk and then all of a sudden. you said hey and I said wait a sec you. go oh what remember I switched yeah I. remember that was when we almost got to. the whole liing the butt thing. that's a bad flop I got chewed out after. that one yeah okay I like that bet you. love it yes you did g on that thing oh. my God yum yum yum all right shuck. uh the [ __ ] wrong with you on that.

note Pizza Hut's coming that's all I'm. thinking about Yum Yum Yum is it I can. sense it's on it bone to from last week. guess what what's that no no what garlic. pepper bunch of them soggy lemon pepp. lemon pepp weren't soggy old man Jesus. Christ okay now you're going to start. hold on well you're you're taking a shot. of pizza yeah exactly you're [ __ ]. some derogatory statements about my. nationality earlier what he say what did.

I say call me guine [ __ ] he called you a. guinea [ __ ] he did I did not yeah I. heard it egregious I did hear. that hey Guinea F shut the hell up yeah. he did he did say that you can't lie I. heard you can't lie I said excuse me am. I here am I what is this like my ears. are in yeah I can hear I hear that's a. lie that is a boldfaced lie you said it. though and I still come out I didn't say. [ __ ] to Chuck tell me looks just like.

Bru Bruce Willis or whatever his name. is Gibson gibon Jesus William Wallace. couple like too. hold guy guy's lying through his teeth I. never said that to oh my God all right. anyways uh he he wasn't talking about. you talking about others I believe if. you those words never those words never. cross my lips okay all right all right. I'd like to fact check that couple your. whole voice was he talking about guinea. pigs maybe I think you said something.

about guinea pigs no I was thinking. about look I was thinking about. vacationing in Papa n guini and then he. thought that I was yeah I I did hear him. say the word I didn't know what context. it was though so I just trusted what. Chuck said cuz Chuck did do an excuse me. am I not here right now am I not right. here in front of your face what like. really that was unbelievable I didn't. like that's the name of the country and. and tan of the year like coming on the. Hills out at the Italian Festival the. Italian of the Italian we in Lake Geneva.

not 6 months ago unbelievable and then. this guy right in your face talk disp. all of a sudden he PO he pops me with. that I don't like it I'm not thinking. about going to popping New Guinea yeah. what do you want for me or that other. country in the Olympics just guine just. Guinea yep yeah yeah that was a country. you remember that we learned that we all. learned that together. that that is a country go see what all. those guies are about over there what's. that you know what the people of the. country keep it up what it's the name of. the people who live there it's their.

nationality keep up will what it's a. country it is a country POA New Guinea. and then there's another country people. who live there are guies what what. guineans yeah I think it's just guiney. for sure no I think what you're doing. right now is taking some Liberties in. the entire I look I can't confirm or. sick to my. stomach not over this but just to the. fact that like it's 245. mhm and we got three games left in a.

national football three games left. [ __ ] one Sunday one two weeks from. then my last trip to Indie I'm I'm sick. this your I have no I have no idea I see. in New Orleans but unless I we have an. epiphany or something but I'm sick I. don't know what to do in the spring over. I know me neither neither do we honestly. that's why. we're what do you do you know what he. does break down dra wait ride your bike. ride your bike around Italy with Ray. Lewis again that was fun I'd like to do.

that I think we're going to go to. mayorca next oh W I was just there it's. Awesome's beautiful yeah is that yeah. they have that food right my orc is like. a certain type of food where the best. steak I've ever had in my life yeah I. think they do the whole Elmo you ever. had a good PA I don't think so I went to. a Brazilian in place this weekend though. uh Fogo Tera goo. similar similar it's got the Brazil. green light red light thing we did it in. the afternoon the wife and I we went to. go to a brunch place packed couldn't get.

it I don't know what everybody was doing. this weekend seemed like everybody was. out of the house then there's this new. Brazilian place up north Terra GAO I. believe is what it's called it's a. Brazilian steakhouse one in there great. okay and it was phenomenal they don't do. like Habachi style is it no they bring. out the swords they do they bring out. the meat and you like kind of grab it or. whatever you know what I'm talking about. with the tongs yeah and you have the. green light red light kind of do your. thing they walk out there Spanish food. is what P you're saying Brazilian food. they had good it was like super.

Brazilian stuff what's Spanish food foxy. was e steak the whole time Spain yes no. they have that [ __ ] don't they what. that's race it's rice basically got it. got it. youas ambadas I don't know if that's. from Spain is it from Spain Spanish yeah. span. spania the language Spanish is spoke by. a lot of people I think right correct I. don't know I'm not going get I had. empanadas there as well okay so that's a. Spain thing yes I always get so confused.

cuz like the Spanish language can I say. something. Hispanic right is that what that is. there's Hispanic food Hispanic food. aisle in the grocery store yeah is that. is that like Central America like you. know I never it's tough's from families. from Cuba so I don't yeah that's a very. I don't know about that to be honest. with you Hispanic is uh. interesting term used to describe people. who are descended from Spanish-speaking. populations okay so Hispanic counts.

everything yes it does got it yeah so. empanadas our Hispanic okay Bingo what. they would say got it solve that one hey. same with. uh the Mexican grilled cheese is so much. better than ours quesadilla sure T the. American growed cheese cool two pieces. of toast we do the whole thing also good. also good solid what kind of. cheese. American no you ever done it with vita. Vita cheese yeah.

Charles where they serve that singles or. us like sing you guys know what velv is. what are you talking about Vita singles. or you talking about the block of velv. SLI block block yeah then you got that. little cutter with the wire on. it put it on there butter the bread put. on God put on a thing are you using. Texas toast what type of toast are you. using that's a lot of toast agree. wonderful but it's a lot of bread yeah I. can't have some Ovaltine right there.

next yeah there you go oh applesauce. tin's good oh my God what is Ovaltine. chocolate yeah it's chocolate milk I. used to drink Ovaltine chocolate milk in. high school a lot yeah chocolate milk. used to be the big thing remember. chocolate milk had a big push like got. to chug one of these after a workout do. this entire thing I don't are they still. pushing chocolate milk I don't know if. they're pushing it but it still hits no. so good so good I love chocolate milk so. much at one point in my life that I said. I could do the gallon of milk challenge. if it was chocolate milk is how much I. love it and I took it all down and then. I puked up cold chocolate milk that was.

awesome tasted yeah I got to enjoy twice. got double yeah it was still cold coming. out of the mouth that's how so good it. don't last very long but that's that's. how much I love chocolate milk at that. particular time I'm with you I'm not in. that point anymore it sounds like you. were still there uh I'm not still there. where I'm like going in the fridge and I. got it but on like a Sunday you're a hot. coffee guy now yeah exact exactly this. whole week I've been hot coffee first. time really cuz how cold is normally. cold ice coffee I'm an ice coffee guy. through and through but this week I've. kind of dove into the hot coffee and.

I've loved it you know my wife has. brought back into my life here was hot. tea she likes Hot drinks but she doesn't. want to drink as much coffee so she just. hammers coffee because she likes Hot. drinks she's like this is too much. though caffeine I then you get the decaf. coffee and it's like all right too much. the same flavor now she's making hot. teas at the house tea good te I love tea. I'll drink tea vanilla chai. tea no green tea black Mach English. breakfast tea you like the matcha yeah. matcha tea the matcha hot matcha I don't.

know what is it it's like green right is. that green green yeah no tastes like. grass you know basically all te you put. sweetener in it yeah Nick you're doing. it wrong I don't want sweet grass you. put a little maple syrup or honey in. that thing you know when you think. matcha vanilla chai is delicious yeah. yeah is that. might as well just go to Dairy Queen I. don't know what's in it I thought we. were just talking tea blizzards I love. you're the one saying as sweet as sugar. ice cream cake yeah cuz that's a little. different cuz we're talking hot stuff. but if I'm going to blizzards hot eats.

cool treats we treat you D I would I. would go with a blizzard though I would. never get a tea from Derek Queen I'd. maybe try it you take a hot tea from. dere Queen yeah I'd try it DQ doesn't. make anything bad on the menu so agreed. I agree with what you're saying but I. don't know if they'd ever open a hot. teeth I don't think you could get a hot. tea. there but if they did it if they did. yeah i' try like like Pizza Hut mhm. exactly if Pizza Hut did a hot tea we. understand it'd be good just like when. they did the wine just like their wine. good it was there was a hit it was a hit.

finished my [ __ ] Pizza H wine glass. right here is there any left in there I. wish no I keep the uh bottle opener just. to smell it sometimes just to the the. bottle opener smells yeah this is the. Pizza Hut uh wine bottle open yeah and. you can smell it so yeah just tusky yeah. does smell like tus does remind of my. speaking of tusky a man that was born. and raised there is going to attempt to. win Now tuskin where's that at Italy. yeah Italy yeah Bango here you go.

Charles ladies and gentlemen Itali man. is going to attempt to win 30 people. $500 on this glorious Sports come on. Chuck here we go Charlie Chuck has. buried basketball all day today whenever. he's gotten the opportunity now all he. has to do is bury a football into a. basketball hoop and 30 people will win. $500 Chuck how do you feel wearing the. Sha construction uh we know that you. work to deal with this guy to do. something around the house now you're. wearing his hoodie is he going to lead. you the job's already done he built our. home thank you Sean Boise is the best. home builder in all of Idaho he's at.

Main out of Boise built our home he's. unbelievable and I just got a new. kitchen well guess what gumy just turned. 66 a couple days ago happy birthday Sean. out for se you guys when you guys come. to Boise and you stay with me cuz I got. plenty I can't wait can't wait mhm come. you got. your it'll be in Sean caff's house it'll. be in Sean. caf's and I do appreciate so last week. got to get this in I ow Sean the hoodie.

on the show I'm gonna wear it told him. all season I was going to wear his. hoodie I got this SEC hoodie and look at. the house look at the build the SEC I. mean it's a good logo by Sean it guy. builds a good estate mm God builds a. good estate when and when they do the. insulation uhhuh you got to you got to. be around when you build a home okay. every step of the way right like the. foundation that's like these programs. these new coaches they got to make sure. on the front end that culture that found.

that Foundation yeah it's got to be. built on rock yeah sand not sand you put. one up on Sand you see those uh places. on the beach. yeah needs to be built on Stone mhm. strong strong that's right there's a. Bible vers the the insulation mhm. oh those guys were there for like two. two weeks get that spray foam Chuck yeah. oh yeah that foam oh yeah oh my God Sean. C boys they know how to spray let me. tell you something it's not cheap they.

spray their foam everywhere not cheap. you're right no it's not it's worth it. you're you know it cost to build a house. these days a little cheaper when you. wear a hoodie on a show no that's no. what's. that this guy's the most most humble guy. if he knew I even had this on he'd be. pissed no Sean Sean you earned Sean on. Sean eight brothers he has hly that's an. Irish name. caffy yeah probably sounds like Sean. cathol I mean I feel like I know a mick.

caffy so C Sean's an Irish name yeah so. it's an Irish family coming in there. working for you good people you're horse. guy too horse guy gotse you want to go. ride a horse he. definitely he's got so much money if. he's a horse guy holy [ __ ] congrats Sean. they're not race hes they're like just. no just horses in general are an. expensive hobby got to take care of. those you got to have hire people to. take care of yeah I'm glad he's not an. Irish. Gypsy well he might be I mean don't run.

from here what's that I think I can be. it from right here who in that Sean cafy. hoodie 30 people 500 all right no you. can't oh how about that came out a. little wobly what's that all about feel. good is that the the new one or no. that's the old that's the OG that's the. OG we couldn't find enough supplies to. get this the new one yeah you want to. throw that one yeah yeah this one's good. save that yeah smart you got this one. waiting for you this one wants to find a. home you're going this way this way I. don't know uh all right 30 people $500.

uh Connor has something nice to say. about you uh I don't actually I said. this last week this whole gimmick is. it's getting old okay brother which one. so the whole hey Chuck might win he. might make it this week it's like dude. just shut up get through these balls cuz. you [ __ ] stink at this what just try. and make one I don't like that I don't. like that's not the type of Vibes we. like you got you just got to fire that. thing you think too much about it so. you're going back how would you like to. be a ball player and you're you know you.

have an opening and and all a sudden you. hear hey they just hired Boston Connor. he's the most positive he'll build you. up I'm not a Coach K I'm I'm a Phil. Knight so sue me that's my style bob. Knight that's what I meant Phil Knight. as well billionaire Phil Knight too. billionaire accountability yeah we. talking about night. get used to being uncomfortable is that. your no that's Ben Johnson comfortable. being uncomfortable mine I'm going to. make you uncomfortable [ __ ] and. see how you perform gez this guy's a. militant yeah yeah nonetheless what he's.

saying doesn't replicate how we all feel. about you we have nothing but love and. respect for you Chuck that's why we know. when that ball goes into the hoop rate. over there 30 people are going to be so. happy to win $500 stay this okay when. the 30 okay see see what I'm saying he's. waffling can't win with this guy man. can't do it won't do it this is tough. can't do it this is tough my nose is. running I'm dying slowly in front of. everybody 30. people. oh close again that was baby Duke 2.0.

that that one that was baby du 2.0. that's a good ball yeah I think this one. right here AJ Hawk has a message for you. coach before CH just take everything con. man says you're just stacking chips on. your shoulder you know you want to prove. him wrong let's let's see it that's. right everything that thing some players. are like hey your rubber I can't hear. you Chuck I can't hear you Chuck your. rubber he's glue okay everything he says. boun off you you got me I said I'm. collecting receipts that's right hey. okay I hope so hey they tried to write. you off you didn't write back chuck all.

you got to do is put that football into. that hoop right over there and 30 people. win $500 I'm going to do you con man. what just. like just like just like Big Ben's going. to do the flu next year jeez Ben Johnson. who he's talking about obviously old man. not uh on oh okay oh oh that would have. been the one that would have been the. best one of the year that would have. been the best one of the Year guys. always so. close close counts and horses shoes hand. grenades and Bachi and botch's obviously.

a sport that this man is very good at I. am assuming I've actually never seen him. play that's kind of on me he's super. Italian I assume he's good at bot guy. can roll a bot ball is that accurate we. took second okay amongst who Italians or. just normal folks big botchy Fest that. Friday Italy Town Lake Geneva yeah this. guy man uh won The Italian Man of the. Year at the Italian Festival uh took. second in the B competition the Prospero. family took first well uh players shout.

out to the Prospero family gpar family. they roll good b ball Prosper yeah pass. it down through the entire family we. lined up against them we. knew on these shoes these shoes talking. about these he shoes Chuck 30 people. $500 all you do is put the ball into. that hoop right over there you're the. Italian man of the year will you be the. man of the year for 30 people who win. 500 we knew this one was coming huh that.

was the one last shot we knew this one. last shot Charle Tai Schmid has a. message Schmitty has a message here you. go Schmitty Schmitty shitty yeah shout. out Shams for that um Charlie. listen uh AQ had been the you and him. are kind of neck and neck for worst at. this all year don't forget me yeah but. you're not do you're not doing it weekly. okay they are they are and uh AQ finally. kind of broke the seal yesterday so if.

you miss this you're officially going to. go down is not only did you have shitty. picks all Thursday what all year long he. had some good ones he had some good ones. early on you were hot and then quite the. schneide lost a lot of people a lot of. money and then now you have chance to. kind of win that money back but if you. if you don't make this we're looking at. just a an astronomically Bad season what. I don't think that's I think you had a. great year thus far no matter what. happened and I love you I love you.

that's schmitty's thoughts that's big. schmitty's thoughts come on you know how. good I'm feeling about myself right now. absolutely Walking on Air this guy I. hope he's got a pocket got a pocket full. of. sunshine 30 people $500 Chuck he might. have gone two and0 in Championship picks. we don't know he might have he might. have we'll find out right here 30 oh. never got above the right nice try. Charlie you lose.

again Nerf ball. okay oh didn't even have to put out how. many winners so close ladies and. gentlemen we have a pro bowl games Duke. oh yeah wow officially certified by. Roger Goodell uh NFL ball Chuck Pono is. an NFL guy 18 years of college 18 years. in the NFL but he uh consulted for the. NFL for the officials and obviously is a. part of the 33rd team of the inter right. all he has to do is put that ball into. that hoop right over there and 30 people.

win $500 ton how do you feel about it. great you. should 30. people suck it. Con. yeah yeah make him suck you up Chuck. boom no boom bang suck it. Bo yes 30 people $500 and they should. all say gazi Toano Chuck Pagano who uh. is on the commanders plus six against.

the Eagles in the Chiefs minus two in. the AFC championship against the bills. and he just won 30 people $500 what a. season what a day we appreciate the hell. out of you coach I love you guys thank. you for allowing me to be part of this. we love you too all you got to do is. repost this post say something nice. somebody on X and you could potentially. be a winner if you put the easiest way. to pay you digitally 30 people 500 bucks. what a great way to add this all right. be a friend tell a friend something nice. might change your life we're thinging. together team on me team on three Chuck.

we appreciate you buddy love you Chuck. good work Chuck love you Chu love you. Chu 1 two three. goodbye e.