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team. The Bucks lose to the Saints last. week. The Falcons lose to the Seattle. Seahawks by how much? >> Uh 37 to9 and nobody was there. >> Jeez Louise. Kirk Cousins has Drake. London at Baker Mayfield has Mike Evans. back. Bucks favored by four and a half. on Amazon Prime. Kirk Herbreet, Al. Michaels, Kaye Hardong, Carissa. Thompson, Gonzalez, uh Wit. >> Fit Sherm. >> and uh. >> I think that. >> that's pretty much it. >> The whole squad you guys crush. Can't.

wait to watch tonight. Week 15 of the. NFL season kicks off in a beautiful way. There's a lot of people saying this game. might be ass. This game might be shite. Kirk Cousins, Baker Mayfield on Thursday. night. Let's assume something magical. happens. And might I remind you the last. time Kirk Cousins played against the. Bucks? Bowled out. Four touchdowns or. something like that. Zero interceptions. went absolutely crazy. Is that going to. happen tonight? Who knows? Is Baker. Mayfield going to go crazy after a loss. to the Saints? Potentially. Tonight we. kick off week 15. There is zero zero. playoff clinch. There is zero division. clinches. There is zero teams that have.

everything stamped in stone in what they. will be doing going into the playoffs. So, this weekend could be a special one. And there's a lot of big time matchups. We're pumped that week 15 is off and. running. We're also uh very um. um very uh what they mean like uh. knowledge of a situation. Um very uh in. the know, I guess, of what the hell is. going on in uh Michigan right now. Yeah, >> yesterday was one of the most wild rides. on the internet that I've had in.

sometimes around the sports world. You. know, go home from the Thunderdome after. a great day here in another Uball. championship run of Debut and Debo and. obviously congrats to Bone and Butts, the DB block. They continue to be the. champion. Go home, hang out with. daughter. Get a chance to put her up to. bed. Every time you check your phone. though, there's a new thing happening. with Chiron Moore. So many troll. accounts, so many AI different stories. Everything's going crazy. All we do know. is Chiron Moore is not the head coach of. Michigan anymore. Uh Shremmore is. currently detained in a jail I believe. in Michigan. Not because of the reason.

why he got fired, but because what. happened immediately after he got fired. or acknowledge of the fire. We'll have. Pete Dam joining us in about 3 minutes. to break down what's real, what's not. real. Because if you're on the internet. last night, boy, there was a lot of. things and without good AI is I'll tell. you. >> Oh man, >> I I was seeing a lot of different stuff. Pete Dam will break down what we know, what we don't know. Very serious stuff, very serious allegations, very serious. storyline that obviously will lead into. what the future of Michigan is and who's. their next head coach and how they go. forward. Biff Pog, who's a businessman,

billionaire extraordinaire, will be the. interim head coach for the Michigan. Wolverines. He was this earlier in the. year when Chiron was suspended for a. couple games. They play Texas, okay, on. uh New Year's Eve in the Cheeit Bowl. Texas playing Arch, playing their entire. team. Texas not happy about not making. it in the college football playoff, gearing up for next year to kind of do. their thing. They're only six and a half. point favorites against a Michigan team. whose starting quarterback has already. taken Michigan all the way out of his. entire social media status. And Michigan. for the next two weeks is poachable for.

any coachable to go and get them. So, it's a wild time to be alive. Maybe that. Texas Michigan game six and a half might. get taken off the board depending upon. who is all on that. It's not that's not. for us to care about though. Just. something to think about as we put this. out into the world. Texas currently only. six and a half point favorites against. Michigan. Who knows what this Michigan. Wolverines team looks like by the time. New Year's Eve comes around. Just. something to think about. The talks. tables here at Boston Connor at Tai. Schmidt. ONE HALF OF THE HAMMER Cowboys. AP Tone is here and gone. Man, I'll talk. to you about this. Uh the internet was.

alive last night. >> Oh yeah. >> And in our position, okay, we have. learned. >> Mhm. >> We have stubbed our toe a few times. Okay. We're live. We are live three, four hours a day. Boom. Boom. Boom. So. what we say one day might not. necessarily be the exact truth like a. week from them because we're living in. the moment with the information that we. have. Last night lot of information, a. lot of misinformation, a lot of stories. because we're talking about the biggest. rivalry in college football. We're. talking about college football fans and. we're talking about AI being able to. create anything. This story seemingly.

came out of nowhere. Okay, I I heard a. lot of people on the internet now a lot. of things, but a lot of people were. saying like kind of had rumblings of. this. We kind of heard this was going. on. It's like I did. I mean I was just. up there a few weeks ago. We talked to. Chiron on college game day. I talked to. coach Chiron more the day before to get. a little info on his team. It's like I. didn't know any of this was happening. So I was kind of blindsided by it all. And then boom, he's in jail. It's like. what a whirlwind of a day for everybody. Family involved obviously other lives. involved. Very serious alleg. It's like. last night was an insane night on the.

internet and I think it showcased I I. don't I don't think it's a good but. college ball. Yes. like. >> Ohio State people obviously. >> burner accounts that have information. that nobody else has somehow. >> and Michigan State. >> Michigan State people getting it. I mean. it was last night was insane and all we. know is that Michigan's future is just. one big question mark I guess at the. head coach and what yesterday was I. think is kind of one big question mark. for all of us as well. >> Yeah, yesterday is one of those when. you're on the internet you read. everything you react to nothing because. you really just don't know what is going.

to be real, what is not going to be. real. you don't want to get in a. situation where you react to something. that is just completely wrong or from. one of those teams uh one of those fans. rather of a team that is rivals with. Michigan but I think because of what the. last three weeks of college football has. been that also ampl amplifies it like it. hasn't been as much college football. playoff as much as it's been coaching. going other places Lane Keifin uh you. know some all these other spots that. have been open yeah that as well but.

like Michigan. If you were to tell us or. if you were going to tell everybody two. weeks ago Michigan was going to be a job. that was open, you would probably say. Michigan is up there with the LSU. Like. it LSU was kind of the open spot and. then after that the tier was everything. else. Michigan goes into that top tier. >> Okay. Joining us now is a man who has. all the information on what's real, what's not real. We appreciate him, you. know, and he's had to report some stuff. that Michigan fans didn't like in the. past, but he'll report against any. school that has anything going wrong.

That is why he is the authority. Ladies. and gentlemen, from college game day, uh. both football and basketball, the. authority for ESPN, Pete Amalo. Pete. >> Pete, uh we appreciate you joining us. Obviously, you and Wetszel big part of. the storylines yesterday. Okay. You sent. us over a timeline of what you knew to. or what you know. Could you potentially. walk us through where we stand right now. because the internet was ablaze last. night with so many different things. It. could be real, could not be real. What. do we know and where do we stand right. now? Pete, thank you for joining us.

>> Yeah, thanks for having me, Pat. This. this is what we know from a timeline. perspective yesterday. You know, sometime midday, uh Chiron Moore was. dismissed from the University of. Michigan with cause. Uh one of the. things that stood out to me about that, Pat, is they were uh they were very. clear that this was because of an. inappropriate relationship, and rarely. in these cases is that as explicitly. stated as as Michigan said it. So, they. clearly relayed that information to. Chiron. Um, you know, not long after.

that, uh, police in Pittsfield, Michigan, Pittsfield Township, responded. to investigate what they called in a. press release an alleged assault. Uh, not long after that, Michigan had a team. meeting where the team was told of. Shiron Moore's dismissal. This was. obviously shocking to the team and. staff. They did not know this was. coming. Michigan announced things. I. think it was 4:43 p.m. was the official. time of Michigan announcing this. And. then uh around 7:15 last night, the city. of Saline, Michigan, announced that.

Moore had been detained and they were. working in partnership with Pittsfield. Township. And then uh it emerged through. uh court documents last night that. Cheryl Moore had been booked in uh. Washington County Jail. Um he's still in. custody in county jail. Dan Wetzel, my. colleague, just got a statement from uh. County Prosecutor's Office which. basically said, "No announcement of a. decision on charges is expected today.". So, we will wait to see the fate of. Stromore. He remains in custody. We will.

wait to see if he is charged and then. what he could potentially be charged. with and then uh you know, obviously. obviously legally things would proceed. from there. >> Okay. So, thank you for the timeline. Thank you for the information. We saw a. lot of stuff on the internet yesterday. there was a a potential threat, a. suicide threat, and then they say. alleged assault. Do we have any more. information on the situation that arose. from him getting put into protective. custody or into jail? Cuz that was kind. of even kind of mis I don't want to say. misworded, but it was like kind of a.

little bit of a guise on what was. actually happening. Is he arrested? Is. he taken in for his own protection? Like. how do we know any of the information on. that particular fact, >> Pat? until the police come out with a. clarifying statement or a police report. Uh I don't think anyone can be certain. the exact nature of what he could be. charged with. Obviously there, you know, the police specifically said uh they. responded to an alleged assault. So. that's the the baseline fact set that we. are going to uh we are going to to work.

off of. Um, you know, this this projects. to be very complex and uh certainly, you. know, the the notions you referenced on. the internet have uh have been bounced. around. But I I think, you know, to be. responsible here, uh, you know, the the. police documents that will inevitably. emerge through public documents in this. case as the days unfold here are going. to be the guide to what is uh what is. actually happening. >> Okay. What are the next couple steps. here both for Chiron Moore and for the. University of Michigan? Uh because. obviously they have a bowl game. Biff.

was put into the interim head coaching. role. They are currently six and a half. point dogs against Texas in the Cheeit. Bowl which is certainly one of the. biggest most popular bowl games this. particular season. Michigan and Texas. and the Cheeit Bowl will be a big deal. What are the next steps for Michigan? What are the next steps for Chiron? Get. out of jail obviously first, but. everything else along those lines. >> Sure. Uh Chiron's expected to retain an. attorney. Uh we'll find out if he gets. arraigned. If he waves that pre-trial. hearing, I I'd expect him out in the. near future. That's just how these cases.

typically go. We'll we'll see if uh if. his case is is different than that, but. usually when when someone is brought in. on this type of allegation, there's, you. know, a process that unfolds uh in a. relatively uh in a relatively quick time. frame. Uh the the assumption from. talking to lawyers in that area about. how these things work is that uh you. know, he'd be released on some type of. bond in the uh in the near future. Um as. as for Michigan Pat obviously uh you. know you and uh uh Connor just. referenced this volatile coaching. carousel. M Michigan enters it at an.

inopportune time and this is obviously. shifting from very serious Chiron Moore. situation to football and uh you know. this will loom as a giant football story. uh over the uh over the next couple. weeks. Michigan is one of the best jobs. in college football. It obviously in. this era has myriad resources that it. can leverage. We saw that with the Bryce. Underwood uh signing last year and uh it. comes at a time where we have seen uh. you know about a dozen power jobs open. So obviously big coaches have moved. You've also seen another half dozen.

really high-profile coaches get. extensions or get close to being. extended. So in theory the the pool for. Michigan is smaller than it would have. been if that if the job had opened in a. traditional hiring and firing timeline. Um, now I've been told this morning that. that is not going to quell Michigan's. ambitions, right? Uh, you know, Michigan. obviously institutionally feels like he. can go get a great coach. So, uh, the. conversation about this is going to. start with Kalin Dbor of Alabama. Whether he wants to go, whether Michigan.

can get him, whether the timing could. work would remain to be seen. Uh, I. would be skeptical just having been. around this long enough that Kalin Dour. could navigate the highwire to to leave. in the middle of the playoff. and and. also no one has indicated that that he'd. be interested at all either. So, I would. expect some clarity on that fairly soon. U just because, you know, from the. second this this job opened, his name. was the uh his name was the first one to. uh to emerge. Uh from there, I I think. you'd have to look at a trio of of of.

sitting head coaches who are all. excellent. Jeff Braum at Louisville, Eli. Drinkitz at Missouri, and uh obviously. Jed Fish uh who's at Washington who had. been at Michigan in less controversial. times uh under Harbaugh before things, you know, the last four or five years. there was this spate of scandals that. we've uh that we've seen. Uh Fish was. not involved in any of those. He brings. an extensive NFL background. When you. look at the DNA of Michigan football, um. obviously you know what happened when. Rich Rodriguez went there, they tend to. want to be NFL style, right? that did.

not that experiment did not work uh with. your former head coach there when they. went more spread and tempo. Michigan. kind of that reinforced the DNA of that. program being sort of defiantly pro. style NFL style. So I would think you. know I saw Jesse Mter up on that list. He's certainly uh you know a guy who has. been there who who had a lot of success. as a coordinator um who whose name will. be mentioned. So um you know Pat. Michigan officials are in shock right. now. you know, I mean, this it's hard to. overstate um just the, you know, just.

the the human nature to to this there. So, I I don't expect a decision, you. know, in 48 hours or anything like that. Um just just in terms of having to. gather yourself. There's going to be a. lot of board input on something like. this. Uh how much say does Word Manuel. have in this hire is, you know, going. forward is going to be a question I. think that looms over this search. So. there's, you know, it's going to be it's. going to be from a pure football. standpoint, uh, you know, perhaps the. most compelling search of this whole. cycle. >> Okay. So, thank you for all the. information. There's so many different.

follow-ups that the boys will certainly. hit in different whether it's Ward. Manuel or the players or the Michigan. officials and everything like that. How. long everybody has kind of thought that. maybe this was taking place and. information because it feels like a lot. of people were talking like as if they. knew something was coming. But there's a. two-eek period in this modern world that. we're in right now where players are. allowed to get poached, right, if you. change your coach. And obviously, you. mentioned Bryce Underwood, and you talk. about the resources. He has eliminated. all Michigan stuff from his profile. There's other obviously commits that. have gone to Michigan because of Chiron.

Moore. There's other players on the team. that say, well, if we can potentially. see what other options are, we're. definitely going to do that. That feels. like the world that we're in right now. Does that twoe period start today? Is. that kind of how that whole thing goes? What are we looking at for Michigan when. it comes to like what their roster is. going to look like by the time we get to. the bowl game on New Year's Eve? >> So Pat, there there's been a rule change. and this is my understanding of it and. these rules have changed a lot, but I'm. I'm fairly certain now if your coach.

leaves, you are allowed to enter the. portal. I believe the number is 5 days. after a new coach is hired. Now, obviously the portal itself um is going. to organically open on January 2nd. So. it it was you're correct. It was you. know coach gets uh leaves gets whatever. it is it was you could just go free. right and that that shifted this summer. U that's that's my understanding off off. the top of my head here to to how this. how this unfolds. So, it used to be.

coach leaves, it's free agency season, and uh as we're in this new era and. things are changing, my my recollection. of the rule is that. >> Okay. All right. Sweet. Thank you for. the information. Now, let's talk about. the information and who had it when. Go. ahead, Tone. Yeah, Pete, you talked. about athletic director Ward Emanuel and. obviously, you know, there's a lot of. people upset with him on the internet. and a lot of people upset with Michigan. in general on the internet on the. timeline of potentially when this. investigation started and when they knew. because just a week ago was early. signing day. So, a lot of people were.

upset that they just let their signing. day go on with, you know, no information. of this to the uh recruits and and. people that signed with them. Do we have. any idea when this investigation started. uh in relation to that or just in. general when Michigan knew potentially? >> So, so Tone, this is my understanding of. the of the timeline and uh Dan Wetzel. reported this this morning. There was a. initial investigation into this and. nothing credible was found. It came from.

anonymous tip. So that information uh. once it was brought forward and nothing. was found was then closed and then. within recent days uh very very recently. uh I I believe Ward Manuel was in Las. Vegas at the football foundation event. as most athletic directors are this. week. Uh so that just shows and they. hired Carrie Combmes as a special teams. coach 3 days ago. So this wasn't an. organization acting as if they knew. something was imminent. Uh they fired. the special teams coach last week. brought in a veteran guy in Carrie. Combmes. uh you know it was it business.

was operating as usual. Uh Dan was told. that uh within the within the past day. or two uh credible information emerged. that uh that was overwhelming in nature. that that changed uh the investigation. and led to the decision yesterday. >> So over the last couple days is really. when the people that are in positions of. power at Michigan found out about the. credibility of these allegations that. had come from an anonymous tip maybe. months before.

I I would certainly say I would. certainly say weeks, Pat. You know, I. would certainly say it was uh it was. weeks. >> But then they did an investigation. They. They're What you're saying is they did. an investigation into the anonymous tip. and found there was nothing that would. be deemed. >> Yes. The initial investigation did not. find what this latest one did. >> Okay. And. >> and what the difference there was, we we. are not certain of yet. But it went from. not enough to move forward to a a. definitive decision with a very public.

declaration of uh of of what they of of. what led them to their decision. Obviously, Shmore would have been owed. $12.5 million if he had been fired for. just simply losing games. Instead, he. was fired for cause. So, the school. doesn't plan to pay him anything. It's. it's fascinating because you know the. world we live in is obviously one that. has a very active internet and then. there's a lot of tweets coming that like. saw this coming from trolls and burners. and it's like well if these burners knew. it who's running these burners who's. talking to the burners and then it's.

easy to kind of just say well everybody. if these people do then everybody must. know what you're saying is there was a. knowledge of a situation an. investigation took place it was cleared. from their investigation and then within. the last 48 hours more stuff coming it's. like whoa this is uh very much something. that needs to kind of get settled. I I. guess that that is the I guess I guess. if you're Michigan, that would be the. best possible outcome is that we did our. investigation and we didn't find. anything. We didn't just let this. continue to happen under our watch, which was certainly what was being.

talked about. Once again, we're in the. middle of the fire right now. We will. only learn more as it continues to go. As it continues to go would be the. coaching conversation. You alluded to it. a little bit before. Connor has a. followup. Yeah, Pete, looking at the. coaching uh situation, Michigan is one. of the top jobs in the country. It's. hard to argue that uh in general, but do. you expect any of the coaches who are. now moving, you know, whether it be. Summerall or any of those other guys. going up maybe a step to maybe get. poached? Do you expect any of the names. that were allegedly floating around Penn.

State to maybe then float to Michigan? Yeah, Matt Campbell, but him being more. so one of the names that might get. poached. And then I mean guys like. Marcus Freeman, guys like you know uh. Braum I believe was the the guy Lane. would he even be possible? Uh Dan Lane. Lanning would he be one that could get. poached to Michigan and then any of the. NFL guys you know are there any guys. that you could see maybe I mean John. Harbaugh has been talked about getting. fired from the Ravens for the past four. or five weeks. Would he be a guy that.

maybe says you know what I my my time in. Baltimore has kind of come to the end. Maybe I go to Michigan now. Um, is. everything on on the table? Do they have. Mike Tomlin? Is is there a specific. thing that they're looking for? What. would you expect their cycle to look. like? >> And is it like the Penn State one where. like everybody is going to get an. opportunity? Like is that how you kind. of view this end up going? >> Yeah. So, I'll answer the first part of. the question. I don't think anyone that. just moved would be a viable candidate.

That that's just very very hard to do. Um, a coach that just got extended could. end up being a viable candidate. I. didn't mention Clark Lee last time. Clark Lee from a fit perspective from uh. how how Michigan views itself uh you. know would would be a wonderful fit at. uh at Michigan. He's obviously penned. Notre Dame has uh deep ties to the upper. Midwest. That would make uh you know. that that type of move where someone who. has signed an extension could still. maybe then go uh is more viable than you.

know a guy like summer or Campbell. If. this job opened 3 weeks ago, I I would. think Matt Campbell would have been the. top candidate. He'd been at Toledo, right, which is right down the road from. Ann Arbor. He is of the Midwest. That. had always been sort of one of the one. of the jobs that people had pegged him. for. Um it just had never opened uh you. know, in a in a timeline where he could. have gotten it. But he is not going to. walk out of Penn State to go there. That's just uh that's that's just not. not reality. Um or uh or or based in you. know, just based in anything. As for NFL. stuff, you know, that that's not my.

world as much as it is Adams and and. some other people. But what it surprised. me, the the one fortunate part of the. timing here is if you're trying to hire. a NFL coach, Pat, in like mid November, that's hard, right? You can't even see. the end of the season. Now that we're. sitting here in mid December and the, you know, the the franchises that are. struggling, I it would be more it' be. less off-putting to leave if you're, you. know, if you're out of the playoff and. you can kind of exit, you know, a little. more gracefully. Just that I mean, when.

does the NFL regular season end? It's. like the second week in January, correct? >> Uh, yeah. Coming up soon, >> right around then. So, it's just it's. always been as the calendars have. changed, it's just always been hard to. sync up an an NFL like sitting type head. coach to college sitting type head. coach. Uh maybe that that's one, you. know, dollop of uh you know, serendipity. in the timing here is that that that. could be a little bit more uh that could. be a little bit more tentable than it. might that might have been in uh in. November.

>> You might have hit maybe 10 to 12 of. them today. I mean, tenable is just your. most recent one, but you really been. serendipitous. >> of serendipity. >> Yeah. I mean, there is you're really on. it today. This is big Pete Damble day. Obviously, we appreciate you joining us. as the information continues to roll in. Go ahead, Ty. >> Pete, you mentioned Kaylin Dbor kind of. being the the guy who they're. potentially going to go after. This is. all hypothetical obviously, but if. Alabama were to lose in the first round. next week and then he turns around and. let's say he does go to Michigan and. they have that, you know, 5 days where.

guys can enter the portal, like is there. a chance that could Michigan pull out of. the Cheeit bowl? Like is that in play at. all if there is a mass exodus of players. and like is there a chance that we don't. get that Michigan Texas game or at this. point is that off the table? >> Uh, excellent question. Not one I've put. a ton of thought to, Ty, to be honest. with you. Um, there, you know, the if. you look at Iowa State and K State not. playing in their bowls, there's a half. million dollar fine, uh, this game's.

obviously going to be a ratings monster. So, the the Big 10 is going to be. incentivized to want to participate in. it. Now, if the roster isn't, you know, available to uh to play, that would. certainly be a different conversation. I. I think it's so early, you know, we're. not even 24 hours from this happening. It's it's difficult to project. But, you. know, New Year's Eve is is you talk. about serendipitous timing, right? Like. that's uh fascinating with the portal uh. the portal opening essentially 48 hours. uh 48 hours later. Uh look, with with.

these big brand programs, you're you're. high-end NFL guys aren't going to play. in the bowl anyway, right? That's just. the the way of the world from Christian. McCaffrey. Now, it went from an anomaly. to just the you know, the the. expectation. So, I I think Ty, it's just. too early to for me to have any kind of. feel on uh on that, but I I have not. heard anything that you know that that. indicates the roster is shaken to a. point where, you know, where they where. they wouldn't play in the bowl. >> We appreciate you, Pete. We'll continue. to follow you on X. You and Wetszel have. done a great job through this all. Thank.

you for keeping us uh what's real in. what isn't. We very much appreciate. that. And if we see any good memes or. things, we'll send them to you to look. into. >> Yep. >> Love the memes. Thank you, Pat. >> You're the man. Hey, they're calling you. Buckeye Pete again. >> Buckeye Pete again. You're the man, Lazy. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh jeez. Oh jeez. >> Oh jeez. >> Oh jeez. Of course they are. >> Listen, I'm just trying to do my job. It's not my fault. They're always in the. middle of it. They're always in the. middle of They're right in the middle of. it. This is very This is a This came. out. See, that's why I was so confused.

because I feel like we are I mean. somewhat plugged into the college world. now, you know, because I get a chance to. meet these people and travel and there. was a lot of people on the internet that. were like this was known, this was. known, this was known. It's a different. section of the internet. >> I didn't I didn't know any of this. I. legit talking to Shiron. I was like. happy for him. Now you lose to Ohio. State, you don't make the playoffs. They. just paid 16 million to a quarterback. for you. Like the natural Yeah. >> college football. fan objective is if he beats Ohio State. is all this, you know. >> Yeah. If they get into the playoff, >> it's crazy to even think that. >> Maybe just another threeame suspension.

instead of. >> That's what I'm saying. Like it is uh. sports are an insane thing. They are a. great unifier, but they're also uh you. know potentially something that can. expose things and this is just a sad. situation. Chiron's always been nice to. us. Yeah. >> But all this stuff that we learned about. quickly and turn around, it's like chaos. was happening, I guess, behind the. scenes over there. How how do you even. win a game? I don't know. Well, and like. you said, that's why it was so hard to. track last night because some of the. tweets that you were seeing were.

backdated like 2 weeks ago and there. were like shreds of truth in those and. then surrounded by a bunch of other. [ __ ] So, it's like, well, this part. might be correct. All of this, who. knows? So, it was like, you know, it. really was just, you know, trying to. keep your head above water because I. mean, it's such a crazy situation that. you can kind of talk yourself into. believing certain parts of all the kind. of more sensational stuff that's out. there. >> Well, especially with the AI being able. to make mug shots and crash reports. It. is it is outrageous on the internet.

Okay, let's pivot away from Michigan and. what's going on in college ball. We'll. visit with coach Mario Crystalall here. in about 15 minutes or so. His team is. in the playoff. Okay. You should be. pumped. Yes, very much so. And uh. breaking news, we will be doing a field. pass for his game verse Texas A&M down. there in College Station. We will also. have Mike Elco joining us tomorrow uh to. chat about what's going on. So, we're. very thankful to both of them. We will. be fair and biased. Uh fair and. unbiased. Uh yeah, you're right.

Nonbiased and fair whenever we do the. coverage, but also we have so much. respect for both these teams. We cannot. wait to get down there. We're so excited. for the College Football Playoff to get. started, which is why all this negative. news potentially happening kind of sucks. because we have so much great stuff. around the corner in college football. this week. Army Navy can't wait for. that. Heisman obviously excited for. that. And then the college football. playoffs start in a huge way next week. And uh college football will showcase. why it's great and uh that's what we're. excited to be a part of and lucky to be. a part of. And JMU.

>> toughed. Don't look now. >> Two lane. >> I'm worried about Oregon. >> Yeah, there's a chance Oregon. Oh, miss. Whoa. >> Now, if they win by 50, Oregon and Miss. there over two lane and JMU, does that. help maybe guide a conversation in the. offseason about what we need to do with. these 12 spots. >> potentially? You would hope so. >> So, we would like to say uh Tain and. JMU, you're not just playing for. yourselves here. You know that you're. playing for all future group of five. because with how loud it got this year. and everybody was kind of aiming at.

Alabama and aiming at Miami and. obviously Notre Dame were the mad ones. If Tain and JMU go in there and lose by. 70 points each of them, which I'm not. saying it's going to happen, certainly. possible, but I'm not any college. football game can have that happen, but. those games, not saying it's a definite, but they're certainly possible, especially with how much Old Miss can do. it, right? >> Mhm. >> Miss can run it. They can run it up. Oregon, if they just start pounding you, >> these aren't at neutral sights either. >> Yeah. These are home games. Yeah. Okay. So, there is a chance these get ugly and. if that is the case, then maybe there is.

a conversation. But if JMU and two lane. hold their own as champions as one of. the two of the top five ranked. conference champions in the country, I. think we're just kind of status quo. going forward. So, a lot on the line in. those two games. Obviously, Oklahoma. Alabama's going to be special on Friday. night in Norman. Cannot wait to get out. there for College Game Day. Then we'll. travel over to College Station. Saturday. morning will be College Game Day and. then we'll be field pass on the sideline. for another college football playoff. game. That's the dumbest thing of all. time. I can't believe we get to do that. >> Without a doubt. Can't wait. And you.

know, like you you've been there a. couple times. Like I've never been to. Kyle Field. I'm so ready for that. atmosphere and not just like a big game. week two of the season. Like this is a. playoff game. This is insane. >> You guys should be going to the midnight. Yale practice. >> the night before. >> Why not? >> Yeah, you guys should be doing it. >> When in Rome, definitely. >> Yeah, you guys should definitely be. doing that. >> Can they change it to 10? >> What's that? I know you got kids. Uh for. those who have children. Um yeah, I. don't think they will. I think it's. pretty pretty standard timing. I think. everybody kind of understands the deal,

but I don't I had a chance to sit uh. outside the stadium. I guess I was. laying at the time. I was I was staying. in a bus with where they had my bus at. was right outside of the stadium and. obviously there's a large amount of. people just gathering to go in and I was. told that it was going to happen. I. don't think I fully understand what was. going to take place. >> They are I mean they are I mean it is a. that is a midnight yo. It's a special. atmosphere. It is a beautiful place down. there. I think you guys are going to. love it. And it gives us an excuse to. dress like cowboys. Bingo. >> Yeah. I mean, we're trying maybe spurs.

on these boots. >> We're trying to get there early Friday. Hit up every cowboy hat store down. there. >> Oh, where was the place? We went to a. spot down there. I forget what it was. They got me finest finest of hat and I. got some crazy boots. >> By the way, it's not the stockards. >> Remember where we were first round last? >> That's Fort Worth. >> Fort Worth. Yep. >> Remember last year where we were first. round? >> Where at? >> Ohio State. >> Oh yeah. Little chilly. >> 70 and sunny in College STATION ON THAT. SIDE. >> OH, WOW. That was a treat. I was. expecting it to be a little chilly, but.

that's awesome as of right now. >> So, we can do the full Cowboy Spurs. Exactly. We could do the whole thing. potentially there cuz we're going to be. able to We might get We might be. sweating. >> What if we did What if we did it on. horses on horseback the entire game? >> Something to think about. >> Dump that. Or we. >> anybody else do that? >> Or instead of like if we can't get the. horses just for safety reasons, we go to. toy horses. Just the the horse head. >> Oh, I I saw another white group of white. people doing that uh on the internet. >> Tyler. >> Oh, nice. The uh world championship.

>> No, Tyler. Yeah, the uh I saw a group of. white people just doing this thing here. where they're. >> Oh, the hobby horse. >> Yeah, the hobby horse. There it is. >> Yeah. Is that what it's called? >> I believe so. They're talented. >> They are not. It's Somebody needs to. tell them, hey, anybody can do what. you're doing. Okay. This isn't a thing. But I do appreciate that you're out. there and you're active. But that is the. whitest thing I think I've ever seen. >> Without question. >> That That's the most Caucasian thing. that has ever hit the internet. >> Okay. So, I thought you were talking. about the the humans that actually. gallop like a horse. That's. >> the Sorry, >> that's up there.

>> That's the most Caucasian. Yeah. Yeah. So, let me uh let me do that thing. But. on that note, we appreciate that they're. you're out. Yeah. Here it I appreciate. you're out there doing it. I appreciate. you're out there doing it. >> Yeah. >> Hey. Yeah. I mean, that's good play. Uh, I like what you're doing. I was the the. ones that are on all fours acting like. they're horses also a thing. I saw a. fight coming out of uh Russia probably. or somewhere over there. >> Two heavyweight professional MMA guys. taking on 10 amateur guys. Okay. >> Uh that feels like something that only.

happens over there. >> Certainly very Eastern European. >> I'm excited that we get a chance to kind. of see what the outcome would be over. here in our country where we'd never let. that happen. But I do appreciate that. this is uh this is uh this is happening. Yeah, this is uh. >> sick. It's all out chaos. >> Yeah, just full out chaos. Not a lot of. English words have ever been spoken by. any of these people, but this is. happening in the world. Okay, this is. just happening. >> What are those refs supposed to do? You. see that guy running in there trying to. >> I think they're dragging bodies, right? You have been eliminated. Okay, it's now. two verse 9. They're even doing a uh.

Squid Games announcement. It is now two. verse six, you know, but there was a. little bit of the amateurs attacking. from behind which was a smart play. So. this is happening in the world just like. the pony riding is happening around the. world and the fake horses are happening. around the world. Let's talk about. what's happening in the NFL world. So in. the NFL I guess every single year at. this time there are winter meetings. You. know I guess that's what the MLB calls. it. But the owners have met at this time. for a long time. This year they decided. we're not going to do it. We'll just. meet virtually. Yesterday some group.

met. Today the owners will meet and this. is when we start getting some news on. maybe some adjustments that are taking. place. Big adjustment that's about to. take place. The NFL and the refs are. about to have a new deal. In May, the. NFL refs union's deal with the NFL is. expiring. So, the NFL, I believe, has. been trying to negotiate a deal, if you. listen to the source, says from the NFL. because the last time we had the backup. refs, it was it was embarrassing for the. league. It was not good for anybody. It. was chaos. But the last time we had.

those backup refs, whenever they were. literally getting everything wrong, is. it supposed to be on the left hash or. the right hash? Who knows? Why are we. refing an NFL game? We're not supposed. to be here. Oh, we're scabs. Yep. Exactly. They would call catches wrong. They would call touchdowns wrong. The. balls would be wrong. The whistles would. be wrong. The timing of everything was. wrong. The backup refs really put this. refs union in a great spot. So whenever. the backups refs cause full chaos on. prime time with the non-ouchdown. touchdown thing to win Mary. Yep. >> The fail Mary. The NFL refs unions at. that point knowing they had a lot of.

leverage go to the NFL and say, "You. want us back or not? Here's what we. need. We're not talking to any media. afterwards. We're not allowed to be. full-time. We're allowed to work other. gigs if we want to. And after the. season, you can't even talk to us until. May. You want us to do training in the. offseason, we don't need it. Okay? If. you want to talk to us about a little. accountability in the offseason, we. don't need it. You don't talk to us. until May. And in May, you tell us what. you're expecting, what the new rules. are, and then we'll move forward. So, I. like the fact that the NFL has come out. through Troy Vincent, but the NFL as a.

whole has come out and been like, "Hey, we're trying to make this ref thing. better." The ref's union though, they're. not not really listening this entire. thing because the ref's deal is very. sweet because they were able to. negotiate this deal whatever the refs, the bad refs were the complete problem. for the NFL. Bruce Arens has said on. this show for multiple weeks and said. the most powerful union in sports is the. NFL refs union. They have no. accountability. There is literally. nothing expected of them and that's. written into the contract that they. signed with the NFL. So now that it's.

up, I think we all see an opportunity to. maybe kind of dodge duck dip dive and. dodge our way to a better way. Because. if you're going to be perfect as. officials and not cause jobs to be lost. or teams to lose games, then I think. just expecting not to be talked to for. five, six months in the offseason and. not having to be full-time and not. having to be work and not having to. answer any questions, I think we would. all be okay with it. But if you continue. to just get very easy things wrong, ruin. games, ruin careers, fire, get people. fired and stuff like that, there should. be a little bit of an adjustment on. getting better. And also, can we.

kickstart the player pipeline into. becoming officials? Just like they have. the broadcast boot camp, the business. boot camp. There's all these other boot. camps that the NFL PA and the NFL put. together. Why can we not put an. officiating one in there? I'm sure. there's enough refs out there that would. like to commit full-time to their gig, but also train and get better at their. job while also understanding that you're. part of the biggest league in the world. So, if you mess something up, you might. have to answer it. So, we all want this. to happen, but from what I've been told. is the refs union very strong, and I.

think it's going to be a very difficult. thing to get that deal done with the NFL. unless the refs want to. And everything. we learned from the refs during the fail. Mary and the B uh scab refs was they. don't care. These people are going to do. what they're going to do. So, I think. we're staring down a pretty big. situation, but an opportunity for. potential good change if there's an. agreement to be able to be made. >> And there's been some great change in. college already. Like, the biggest thing. for me that I think of is the uh ref. from the Georgia Texas game, I want to. say, and they ended up reviewing, you. know, nine of 11 the calls that he made.

um being wrong. And so, what they did is. they just, hey, you're suspended. Like, you're dumb for the year. 11 of the. calls you made, nine of them were. incorrect. So, it really would just be. an accountability type thing. would be. one just simple step. The other thing. might be like, hey, we're at a point in. technology now where we can kind of rely. on it very heavily if they can figure. out exactly how to do it. Like clearly. the Hawkeye technology that still. doesn't work because it's based on where. the ball is placed. It has nothing to do.

by the human. Yeah. Like if they could. figure that out maybe over the next few. months, that might help as well. But. accountability would just be the biggest. thing. >> Accountab accountability would be great. uh full-time would be great so we don't. have to worry about them potentially. taking p not that they're not getting. paid a lot and all this type of stuff. but just in a modern world that we're in. full-time would be good year- round. commitment would be good having a pool. of refs that you could maybe substitute. bad refs with a development system like. it's it's all there already in the NFL. with the players with the coaches with. the systems that we have just apply it.

to the refs is kind of how I think we. all are at the point of thinking but. from our understanding from our source. >> in the NFL that refs union. They know. that they got everybody by, you know, the thin hairs a and they will continue. to act as such. So, we got a few months. until they got a renegotiated deal, but. let's hope it's for the better as. opposed to the worse of ball like it was. the last time this deal was up. >> Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, like that. the the pipeline is the way to do it cuz. it seems like for the most part, we.

don't see very many new refs coming to. the NFL. Like, every once in a while. you'll see a guy who you haven't. recognized before, but these guys stay. in there for the longest time. And if. they do have that kind of power, like. why would this is a side gig for them. Why would you ever want, you know what I. mean? Like it's But that's that's the. simplest way to do it is let's get a. pipeline of a bunch of people in there. So that way if guys aren't any good, we. have people who are ready and waiting. >> and train them. Watch film. You're. required to watch film. You're required. to train. You're required to attend. this. Maybe guess what? Maybe guys even. go do trust falls together at some uh.

retreat, some getaway. I think the NFL. should have its own team or the ref. should have their own team and should be. treated that way. have your own. facility, do the whole thing because. we're at the point where it matters the. most. Hopefully, they're able to get. that done. That's coming out of this uh. winter zoom call meetings amongst the. owners. Also, big deal, as Roger Goodell. alluded to us the day after the draft in. Green Bay, and I think the year before. we talked to him about it in Detroit, the NFL will get rid of two minutes per. pick in the first round from 10 minutes. to 8 minutes for the selection process.

And we appreciate the hell out of the. NFL doing this. As people that host a. draft spectacular every single year is. one of our biggest shows. Us being able. to be on site has been absolutely. absurd. We're so thankful for it. It. becomes a very long night, a very drawn. out night. In some of these picks, they're drawing them out just strictly. so they can maybe get a call to get. traded for. So you'd have to wait the. entire 9 minutes and 59 seconds just to. see if you could potentially leave. Now. they're shorting that to at least an 8m. minutee wait for the teams that don't. want to make a pick to get traded. That's good news. and it's not going to.

cut this thing off completely. They're. projecting maybe 30 minutes will be less. which will be great on draft night cuz. it seems like most like you mentioned. like most of it a lot of times it's just. ceremony like teams know cuz like how. many times last year did we see the pick. is in and then it still uses the full 10. minutes of the clock like it's it's. mostly ceremony so if we can shave off. 30 minutes why don't we. >> heading to Pittsburgh you think they're. shortening it just strictly because. they're in Pittsburgh what's the deal. what's that all about? Yeah, they could. be worried about, you know, that extra. 64 minutes potentially of Yzers having a.

chance to booze and just get rally riled. up. >> Yeah, cut it off. >> Uh I like the fact that they're cutting. it down. I I think if you don't know who. you're taking by the seventh minute, uh. you're probably going to be [ __ ] out of. luck anyways. And no offense to anybody. in the first round, to the people that. get drafted or to the teams doing it. For a large portion of the first round, >> it is a on who's going to hit, who's not. going to hit. Is the extra two minutes. going to change anything? I don't think. so. It makes it a better viewer. experience. And I appreciate that Roger. Gadell literally as soon as he sat down. with us, he was like, "Last night I was.

thinking we we got to move this a little. bit quicker. It's gotta be him standing. up there behind the scenes like. >> say he's sitting in the green room too. >> We're still doing this." And then he. starts looking into the war rooms. What's taking you guys so long? Well, we're waiting to see if I'm done with. this. And then him actually driving this. initiative. We appreciate for the good. of entertainment, for the good of draft, which will be in Pittsburgh. And last. conversation that was happening out of. the meetings, the NFL has announced that. they will be putting 30 to $32 million. into a professional flag football. league, six men's teams, six women's. teams is kind of how it's kind of being.

projected right now from our source. at the NFL. I uh followed up and asked. like, are we also investing in college. flag football and high school flag. football? I got a chance to be a part of. a Super Bowl commercial last year that. was basically pushing to get high school. girls flag football sanctioned in all 50. states. It's been sanctioned in 38 of. them. So, flag football is becoming a. very real high school sport which will. hopefully lead to more opportunities in. college. And then now they want. professional opportunities as well. Who. knows when this will run? I assume in. the summer, right, Con man? We're.

assuming what this will be. >> Yeah, that's my assumption. Probably. after the season. You wonder if in March. when they're going to do the Saudi. Arabia thing that that might even be. kind of like a, hey, this is what it. might look like with all the NFL guys, Brady and all them. >> So that's Fanatics, right? That's not. the NFL. >> I I thought NFL was still a part of it. because they're NFL players doing it and. maybe that isn't a part of it and. Fanatics makes deals with the players. that are there already and they already. have deals with. >> I think it's a Fanatics Tom Brady thing. I I from my understanding don't know if. the NFL is doing this. What I'm saying. is I don't know if the NFL is a part of. that at all. But to your point about. that becoming a thing, flag football.

becoming very very real in our world, I. think that's a good thing, not a bad. thing to have more ball. The NFL. investing uh investing in a professional. league, good as long as it's not during. an actual football season. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's how we all feel. >> And I think we're smart enough to know. we're we don't need to double dip here. because if that's the case, like guess. what? People are going to watch tackle. football as opposed to flag football. >> So right now the calendar we it owns it. till February through the uh Super Bowl. and then you have the draft and then you. have free agency. So maybe if it started. like literally like right after free.

agency that that's just keeps football. going. >> Yeah. So then we have it all throughout. the off seasonason. And if the NFL is. putting 32 million into it, we assume. they're going to want it to succeed. So. they're probably going to put some juice. behind it whenever it comes to press and. everything like that. So hopefully it'll. become a part of our zeitgeist because. more opportunities to play ball is good. Six professional women's teams, six. professional men's teams. More ball is. good for all of us. Speaking of more. ball, there was a team down in Miami. that was wondering if their more ball. was going to be college football playoff. ball. They were on the outside looking. in for a long time. >> Mhm. >> They were ranked lower in Notre Dame for.

a long time. >> That's right. >> How's that work? We just beat Notre. Dame. >> Yeah, you're 18th. Actually, Notre. Dame's 10th. So, you got no shot at this. thing. And then all they kept doing was. just stacking dubs, stacking dubs, stacking dubs, stacking dubs. Then. there's all of a sudden a cluster in a. bubble. And all they're wondering is, do. the games matter? Like, why are we even. playing them? Well, the committee said. yes, they do. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, a man who will be taking. his team down to College Station to take. on Texas A&M next Saturday in the first. round of the College Football Playoff.

The head coach of the Miami Hurricanes, Mario Crystal Ball. >> Hey, coach. >> What's up, dudes? How we doing? >> Hey, Ola, amigo. How are you doing, brother? You're in the tournament. Hey, you're in the tournament. >> Thanks for moving in the hotel. >> Uh, see, see, see. Yeah, I I don't know. what you said there, but I certainly. agree with how you said it. I want to. let you know that uh look for the. captions later and shout out to a. >> like my screenshot back here. >> Please, you're going to get me in some. [ __ ] with some people, you know, cuz.

Yeah. You know, I'm calling this game. >> It was either that picture or the one of. you in the speedo like airborne. >> Yeah. Beginning of season. Hey, end of. season. I'm a little bit more, you know, if if I if I would have had this body. that Yeah. You saw it and single leg, too. You know, I would Yeah. Okay. All. right. Let's move along. We appreciate. your hospitality early in the year. We. appreciate you being a friend of the. program and we also appreciate the fact. that your team just kept battling even. though each Tuesday night they learned. that they were potentially going to get. screwed whenever it all came uh to kind. of make the final decision. What was.

your messaging to the team all year? It. was basically like, "Hey, we still got a. shot. We should have a shot." How did. you handle that with the locker room. whenever it was kind of a question mark. on whether or not you'd have college. football playoff ball? >> Sure. I mean, it was always about if you. take care of your business, we're it's. going to take care of itself. Obviously, the big one was after the SMU loss, right? It was that's when things were. like we put it in maybe in not entirely. in our control, but we could work. ourselves back to having it in our. control. And we did it, man. We had a. team meeting where didn't have to speak.

Just kind of let the real film play with. us in our first five games and how well. we were playing and all the plays we. were making. And after sitting there in. silence and watching it for 10 minutes, we just woke up and realized who the who. the hell we are and played some. unbelievable football down the stretch. Tony is obviously spectacular. You have. weapons all over the place. The defense. has got dogs. It feels like college. football playoff football though. Quarterback's got to be able to play. Carson Beck been there, done that. Good. news. How do you feel with Carson? And. uh you know, obviously whenever we. talked to you before, it was a little. different time of the Carson Beck uh.

Miami Hurricane experience verse now. What are your thoughts on him as your. leader going into the big dance? >> Yeah, down the stretch these last four. games, I I think you've seen his. numbers, man. He's playing at a really, really high level. And quite honestly, he's fully healthy now. and he was. healthy going into the season, but not. at this level. Like that that arm is. strong now. He's slinging it. Uh he's. really comfortable with our offense and. it led to just an awesome November. So, we're fired up about him and and. certainly confident in everything that. he's been doing and our our guys love. him, man. He's a real deal dude.

>> Playing a real team obviously in the. college football playoff in Texas A&M. At one point, they were the only. undefeated team left in the SEC. Go. ahead, Tone. >> Yeah, coach. I don't know if you want to. comment on this or not, but I saw uh he. was he's first team all SEC, so he's. great. Uh one of the tackles for Texas. A&M said that uh it's not going to be a. problem blocking Ruben Bane uh who is. projected to be the number one defender. in this upcoming draft. Do you think. Ruben has has heard that yet? And how do. you think he feels about that? >> I think when I hear stuff like that, I. just always say the same. No comment.

>> I thought that might be it. I thought. that might be it. >> I love everything about it. How do you. feel about the vibes of your team? What. was the moment when you guys get into. the playoff when you find out it's Texas. A&M? What is your locker room? Do you. feel like you have a obviously a bunch. that ready to go win a national. championship? But do you feel like. mentally, physically, you do have a. squad that can go here? >> I mean, you've you've been around our. guys, you've been around our building. I. mean, the people here, they um it's been. a long time since Miami has been in a. situation where December they're in the.

conversation. They're really relevant. So, around here it's like it's all about. the work, man. I mean, everything down. here was built with the work done on a. green tree practice field. And you know, the guys that have been through here and. what they've emphasized and that right. now, that vibe, the vibe of grinding and. getting after it is stronger than it's. ever been. So, it it's really that. simple. Making sure that we focus on us. and doing all the things necessary to. play winning football. >> Vince Wolfark was on yesterday and we. took a trip down memory of the lane with. Miami. You know, he's BCS national.

champion. I think he can give you a. snap, too. I don't know if he has any. eligibility left. Maybe we can ask the. NCAA before next week. >> Man, I was a GA when he was on the scout. team when he had to sit that year. And. I'm sitting there as a G going, I've got. Vince Wolfk, I've got uh John Vilma, Ed. Reed. Like, why am I leaving here? Can I. just stay here as a GA and be part of. this? So, yeah, Vince is an awesome. dude. You see how he's trimmed down too. now? He looks great, man. And he's a. exceptional human being and love having. him around. When he's around, the guys. go crazy, man. They love him. He just.

got off a uh his third consecutive. holiday USO tour where he leaves after. Thanksgiving before Christmas and goes. over to the Middle East and uh kind of. sees the troop and he talked about how. important is like good dude. I perfect. indication of who you were trying to. have represent the U. Ty has a question. for you about maybe the future of the U. while also balancing the current. >> Yeah. Coach, how was it handling the. chaos of, you know, lobbying to get into. the playoff when you guys felt you'd. done enough and that you should be in. and then on top of that you have early. signing day. you knew that, you know,

you what the class that you were going. to bring in was going to be very. important. And then also just hoping. that you're going to get in the playoff. Like, how nice was it uh being past that. and now just going back to, hey, now we. just prepare to go play football. All. the the hay is in the barn with all that. BS and now I can do what I'm supposed to. be doing. >> Well, it's the the the life of a college. football coach nowadays, right? You're. on 24/7, cancel Christmas, and go do. your job, right? So, I mean, for us it. was, and credit to our the guy who runs. Sports Information for us, Cam Borby,

because we never felt like we had a. lobby. We felt like we just weren't. going to let the facts like be, I don't. know, like almost like just covered up. and pushed to the side for other. narratives. I mean, they at the end of. the day, we we were a head-to-head. winner of a prime time game and we. stacked, you know, 10 wins and playing. our best football. And I felt like. people were posturing to try to I don't. know just supersede that and we're we. weren't going to let it happen. And when. you couple that with the fact that. signing day was going on around the same.

time and you know we signed a a trench. heavy class with the number one player. in the country. An absolute creature. which I think you guys are going to. love. I think you had him on your show. Hope you have him on your show. And. Jackson Canwell just got named the. Gatorade player of the year. The natural. player of the year. We um we signed our. best and deepest class. So the future. here and the fact that this facility. they're building Pat you'll have your. own like little section in the weight. room have all your hammer strength. machines all that stuff. >> Um like everything the trajectory is.

going like this and we we have humble. hardworking people that you know just a. bunch of nobbodyies man that work their. butts off and are looking forward just. getting better. Got a bunch of nobodyies. whose names are about to be in the. lights, especially if you get a college. football playoff run in front of the. world to see. A guy who's been a. believer ever since he was a little baby. boy in North Canada. Gumpy has a. question for you, coach. >> Yeah, coach. Glad you guys could make it. into the playoff. How nice is it to have. a guy like Tony where you can just run. any play. The guy can sling it. The guy.

can run it. His routes are absurd. He's. so fun to watch, man. >> Yeah. If you get a chance, just th on. his high school highlight tape. It is. absolutely insane. I mean, he's again a. team that lost its quarterback in high. school during, you know, a run at the. playoffs. He goes in there at. quarterback and just takes him all the. way through it. And in the state title. game, I believe at one point he was like. 15 of 15 with a couple of touchdowns. He. u special dude, special attitude, ridiculous energy on a daily basis. Um,

you're not going to outwork the guy. He's going to be here at 5:30 in the. morning catching, you know, balls in the. Jugs machine and he's going to I mean, he's a wide receiver that actually takes. time to spend quality time with the O. line coach in the morning. Tells you a. lot about like his level of just care, his level of investment. He's he's. exactly what you would drop a football. player be like. >> He's true freshman, right? >> Yep. >> True freshman. And actually an early. enrolly. He should be in high school. this year. >> Well, you know, West Virginia's got. their eyes on him, coach. Uh.

>> oh. Yeah, West Virginia, one of one of. West Virginia's donors, you know, watched some high school film of him, saw him throwing a little bit of just. there in a we we got some donors in. Miami, too, buddy. The buildings here. are a lot taller than over there. >> Uh you talked about that Cam guy. What a. weapon, man. You guys do have a special. alignment and obviously Cam is a part of. the the sports president, AD, you all. the sports. It feels like a special time. to be down there in Coral Gables.

Congratulations on getting into the. tournament. We can't wait to watch your. team play. >> Appreciate you, man. Thanks for having. me on. Go Kanes. >> Hey, we'll be on that sideline. Okay, so. there might come a time where you're. paying attention like this and GUESS. WHO'S COMING. BRUCE, SINGLE LEG TAKEDOWN. FROM THE SIDE. IF YOU JUST know it's. coming, >> you better you better gain some weight. and buckle your ass up. >> I only got a week and a half, ladies and. gentlemen. >> I I don't I don't I don't play in the. lightweight division, buddy. >> Okay. All right. All right. I got a week. and a half. Don't you worry. I'm beating.

everything. Ladies and gentlemen, it's. Mario Crystal Ball. >> He's the best. He is the best. >> That game's going to be awesome. >> That Cam guy, >> he's special. I mean, every team wishes. they had a guy like obviously Mario. I. mean, the CAM guy though loves the U. The guy who is the SID and a. communications guy like all those jobs. for Miami. >> is down for the cause. I I mean, he will. literally in front of. >> You need a linen suit. I'll get you. loose. >> Boom. Speedo, I can find you one of.

those. We definitely have one of those. for sure. We can do that. No problem. And then if if something was to happen. to that U, he would literally. >> Yep. >> in front of it. I got you, coach. Don't. worry about it. He is special. They all. are down. The president, too. Used to. run a a fund, >> like a multi-billion dollar fund, and. now he becomes, you know, the leader of. Miami. And he's like, "What what does. everybody need right now?" They need. money. >> Oh, I know. All the rich people. >> Yeah. >> And they love being in Miami. We can. give them a little, right? Yeah. No. problem. New building here, new stadium.

here, new locker room. They do need the. stadium though. >> Yes, big time. >> There's not enough space though for not. a lot of Especially down in this Miami. Coral Gables area. There's a lot on top. of everything. The stadium being so far. is really the only downfall. But other. than that, special community down there. That was a special place. Felt like it. was a resort. You're on a university. that was a resort down. >> Yeah, because it's not like they they're. lacking for fans. like they have a ton. of fans, but like you look at some of. the games and like in the fourth. quarters, it's like, "Hey, it's going to. take us an hour to get back to campus. It's pretty empty or whatever." But.

other than that, that it's absolute. perfect football program. >> I picked against Miami a couple times. this year and I get a text from Chris. Ball every time. It's just like, "What. are you doing, dude? >> Why are you What do you think this is?". He was like, "We are a team that you. like. Remember, we all we care about is. work that this is a team that you like.". And it's like, I forget about that cuz I. think about Miami and I I think Corsair. >> Yeah. I forget that literally Crystal. Ball's entire messaging is like we got. to work. That the only thing that. matters is how hard we work. And Tony. being 5:30 a.m. guy as a true freshman. at wide receiver. That's a huge ordeal.

for the entire culture. >> Yeah. Especially going forward. But I. think that's kind of the biggest thing. about these teams that are left in the. college football playoff is they're all. teams that are obsessed with work. Like. you talk about Miami, Texas A&M who. they're playing. Elco's come on here. All he talks about is work. Dan Landing. in Oregon. I mean the means of him. yesterday were incredible. Abama, Oklahoma, Miss Golding with what he's. said. And that's not even including the. teams in the buy. Obviously, Joey. Maguire, Sig, Kirby Smart, and Ryan Day. That's all they preach. So, I I think it. is sweet seeing that resurgence, and.

it's going to definitely bleed into the. NFL if it hasn't already and making that. game even better, too. >> Okay, let's talk about the NFL a little. bit. Uh former national champion, uh now. Cincinnati Bengal quarterback Joey. Burrow had a press conference that has. the whole world talking. Is he all. right? >> No. Is Joey Burrow all right? You tell. us. >> Change the way that you view the game. >> Um, no. It certainly doesn't.

change my desire to to win. Um, you know, if I want to if I want to keep. doing this, I have to have fun doing it. Uh, you know, I've been through a lot and if. it's not fun, then what am I doing it. for? >> Whoa. >> He would go on for another minute and a. half, obviously, as he would continue. giving an answer. But that scares me. Joey B, we hope you're having fun. You're really good at football. >> You're really good at spinning it.

>> I don't want to say your entire life. you've been a great ball player because. there's obviously other personalities. and other parts of you who definitely. exist. You're super handsome. I think. you like fashion. Obviously, you're into. other things. But whenever you talk. about football, Joey Burr, we talk about. you, buddy. You're a stud. We hope. you're having fun. We're sorry you're. going through it. But on that note, whenever the Cincinnati Bengals decided. to build the team the way they built the. team, a lot of us wonder, are they going. to be able to win the big games, which. ultimately brings the real happiness to. the true competitors, which we think Joe. Burrow is. So, are they ever going to be.

able to get back to where they were a. few years ago in the Super Bowl? We're. not sure the way it's built, but we do. know, Joey B, we hope you HAVE FUN, DUDE. COME ON. YOU'RE JOEY B. And also, some of it is gonna suck. Some of it is. gonna suck. We just hope you keep. battling, brother. I don't like all the. injuries. I obviously saw the Andrew. Luck story happen in front of my eyes. I. mean, it is a uh it's a wild thing when. one of the greats this early starts. saying, "Is this for me anymore?" We. hope he says yes, but that's not good. >> Not at all. >> All right, we'll be back on the other. side. AJ Hawk will join us. Coach Mike. McCarthy will join us. Is his name up?

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>> Hello beautiful people and welcome back. to our humble the boat the Thunderdome. on this NFL week 15 kickoff Thursday. December 11th 2025. Hour two of the. program begins now. >> Football is magical tonight. The NFC. South will be in prime time on Amazon. Prime as the Falcons take on the. Buccaneers. Kirk Cousins takes on Tampa. Bay. And what does he do last time he. took on Tampa Bay? Well, he shredded.

him. He went absolutely apeshit. Will he. be able to do that this week as Drake. London's out with Mike Evans returning. for Baker Mayfield and a Tampa Bay. Buccaneers team who's fresh off a loss. to who? Oh, the corn shucker, the ball. shucker, the touchdown shucker, the wind. shooker, dollar shook in the New Orleans. Saints. What does tonight hold? We have. no idea. We'll be excited to watch Kirk. and Al and Kaye Hartung and Cararissa. Thompson and Fitz and Wit and Sherm and. Tanny Gonzo is all on the call as Amazon.

provides a week 15 kickoff that we'll. all remember for the rest of time. The. toxic tables here at Boston Connor and. at Ty Schmidt. One half OF THE HAMMER. DAD cowboys AP Tone is here and joining. us live from an attic in Ohio. Ladies. and gentlemen, is a college football. national champion, a Super Bowl. champion, a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and. gentlemen, AJ Hawk, >> first of all, AJ, I have to ask you. Chris Ball said, "I'm in the lightweight. division." I I don't like that at all. Did you hear that from him? Kind of a. shot. Multiple shots from him that you. heard that I heard as well. >> Yeah, I definitely heard that. And that.

Yeah, I don't think he knows how much. you weigh first off and second like. you're going to have to try to take them. down now during the game. So hopefully. they're doing well. Like whenever. they're doing well, say they score a. touchdown or something, that's when you. got to go get him. >> Yeah, we need him to be distracted. I. might also call for your help. Uh so I. hope you're. >> I don't know if I want to help on that. one. I mean, Chris, he seems like he. doesn't mess around. Is he a jiu-jitsu. guy as well? >> Yeah. Yes, that. >> Okay. Yeah, you're on your own there, pal. >> Black belt. >> Yeah, I think he does have a black belt. I do believe rolling is like a part of. his entire thing, which is Yeah, that's. how we got in the conversation down. Coral Gables when I thought about. getting after him. And he like looked at.

me and he's like, >> "Do you want to go. >> like on air?". >> Oh yeah. And I was like, uh, >> he was not amused. >> That was a joke. I was just, you see, this is my thing I do with like UFC. fighters and people that have. cauliflower or like obviously they could. beat my ass, but I just want to let him. know that boom, boom, >> you tapped out Diamond Dustin Porier. >> Exactly. It's a good point. >> He had no idea that was coming. >> Mhm. >> That was at the same That was on the. same show. Roger Goodell telling us. >> that the draft clock was way too long in. the first round and we're going to be. able to shorten that. Uh, let's get to.

tonight's game, shall we? Uh, Foxy put. up a tale of the tape. I think we should. dive into it. AJ, the NFC South tonight. on Amazon Prime. What numbers kind of. stick out to you that we need to be. looking at and what you're looking at? >> I mean, look at that rush defense of uh. the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Obviously, eighth, they do pretty well. So, let's. see if if they can shut the run down and. make Kirk Cousins on one-dimensional. See if he can beat you through the air. Like, do you think Kirk has some magic. left? I I think he does, but uh I'm. leaning the Bucks right now as we talk. >> The line is now five and a half uh for. the Buccaneers. They favored full point. move that that feels a little.

interesting uh from the beginning of. show until now. Tone, what does that. say? Yeah, especially since uh well. actually because more and more money is. pouring in on the Buccaneers, it will. tend to go in that direction versus last. week when we had the reverse line. movement, which is weird when you're. getting more money on a team and the. line benefits the other team. But this. tonight with a the money coming in on. the Bucks, it it this was the direction. that it it would go in if if we're just. looking at it like that. >> And Jaylen McMillan, Mike Evans being. back. So they're going to have Godwin, Ibuka, Mike Evans, and Jaylen McMillan.

for the first time all year. No Kate. Autton. He's doubtful their starting. tight end, but having those four with. Bucky Irving finally back as well, like. their offense will now finally be full. strength for the most part. >> I think we all feel the same way about. the Bucks tonight. I think we I it just. kind of feels weird, I assume. What's. the percentage of money? Do we know what. the percentage? >> 68, I believe. >> 68. It's creeping towards that 70% line. And obviously the Buccaneers very much. still in the NFC South running. Uh they. have the Falcons and then two times with. the Panthers. The Panthers who are also. in it have the Saints, which the Bucks. just lost a crucial game to. And then.

they got the Seahawks as their alternate. game and then the Dolphins. So these two. are obviously going to have to figure. out who's going into the NFC playoffs to. take on a very topheavy NFC team. Uh but. we uh we love that week 15's happening. and you guys were saying the other day. >> this is Shite game. >> this game. >> Well, what are you talking about? What. are you talking about? >> Just relativity. >> I just I have a tough time. I feel bad. for Kirk Cousins as of late watching him. play. I just feel really bad for him and.

I just hope it's a competitive game. because boy and you know what a big part. of that is recency bias because Seattle. is very very good and they just beat the. absolute dog [ __ ] out of them. So maybe. I'm I'm leaning a little bit too much on. that with how bad they looked last week. But no Drake London, you know, Bucks. being pretty stat against the run, Bejian Robinson kind of being their only. weapon. We'll see. I just I hope it's a. good game. It's Thursday. It's kicking. I mean, the the rest of the slate this.

weekend is great. So, it'd be nice if we. could get a big boost going into the. weekend. >> If Tampa Bay demolishes Atlanta, >> how do we feel about Rahim? >> Uh, bye-bye. >> That's right. I'm saying there is those. potential. It's week 15, bro. >> Second year. >> It's week 15. We're getting to that. point now. We are getting to that point. of the season. Not Not that we haven't. already. There's obviously already been. a firing or two, but like we're getting. that point now where a prime time loss. or an embarrassing loss for an owner can. cause an emotional reaction. I'm not.

saying Arthur Blank will do that, but. I'm just saying we are at that point of. the season where things can bubble and. come to a fester very quickly. Especially if in the division you get. blown out on prime time, there's a. chance that that's going to get very, very loud. We like Rahim. We love Rahim. Yes. But I it feels like the people in. Atlanta do not I I mean the everything I. hear out of Atlanta now granted there's. probably a lot of Falcons fans that love. Raheem and understand it's going to be a. process yada yada yada but it has gotten. very loud for him and very early in his. tenure down there. >> and the things that matter like how it.

looks like they got blown out at home. nobody's even there to watch the week. before like even just going past cuz. Seattle's good the week before they lose. to the New York Football Jets and like I. get Penn is hurt and Drake London is. hurt and those things do also account. but at the same time like the. competition doesn't look like it's there. for the team. >> Yeah. And I think to your point, Tone. actually just sent in a video. >> Yeah. I sent in a video of the crowd. This is at kickoff and there is no one. there. There there is something about. being a bad team or whatever, but like. when the owner is a when it's a bad team.

and the owner looks at the stadium and. sees all the these empty seats, like. that that does not help the case either. Especially when the day before the SEC. championship was there and there and. it's packed chocked full and it just you. know like also going into the year like. the Falcons were a very trendy pick to. win this division like the expectations. were very high this year and I. understand Michael Pennock got hurt but. it was even starting to kind of go that. way before he got hurt. So it's just. kind of been like a whatever can go. wrong has gone wrong and I think that.

has a lot to do with it too. Yeah, the. the empty stadium is always the problem. because that goes right to the pockets. which we understand is exactly what kind. of drives decisions, you know, and you. you talked about the SEC championship. the day before. Atlanta Hawks night. before that. There you go. >> Packed. I mean, it was a celebration of. Atlanta basically the entire weekend. Everything was filled up. >> And I think they stink, too. So, it's. like if they stink and people are still. showing up in droves to go to those. games. >> and at Mercedes-Benz Stadium, very. expensive, but also very nice. >> Very nice. the the stuff in there. Arthur Blank has made a point for it to.

be affordable. So, it's not even as if. you're going there and beers are more. expensive. No, that's not how it is. And. you have to think, hey, we are looking. at the Carolina Panthers and we are now. the Carolina Panthers. >> And we like the Carolina Panthers now. And we think that the Carolina Panthers. AJ all made a change whenever the. Grinch's heart grew three sizes. Who is. the Grinch in this particular case? The. owner, David Ter. this guy who the only. stories that we were talking about with. him was not only what he did back in the. day in the financial world whenever he. uh bought somebody else's house that was.

potentially above him and then just tore. it down to build a bigger one just to. prove a point basically or the new. facility and saying nah or the throwing. out or the knocking off the hat or the I. mean this guy was in everything. Charlotte FC the soccer team had like 45. coaches in two years because Ter didn't. like anything that was happening. the. Carolina Panthers ask. They had like 250. people in the stands at the end and ter. was the the owner was basically the. reason of this entire thing. Then he. offers up the stadium. He donates a. bunch of money for the hurricane relief.

down there. He hires the right people. seemingly becomes a little bit handsoff. and all of a sudden the Carolina. Panthers start becoming Charlotte FC. starts becoming a little bit and now we. got Ter in a Christmas sweater talking. to cameras. >> It's not that shabby. >> Listen, it's pretty good. It's just it's. it's all building process and look we'll. see where we go you know we'll see what. happens but we we do think I think you. know as I said in Alice Morgan Gillis um. and everybody here organization I think.

we're building something special in. Carolina and we've been building it. outside the community. so this whole picture and hopefully we. go on and we have that for many years. here. >> yeah great micro uh microphone set up. >> without a doubt. >> But I like the fact that Temper's out. there in the community. Honestly, has. there been a bigger change in how. somebody is viewed than him? I I think. that's very real, AJ. >> Yeah. For multiple years in a row, it. feels like we just talked like, oh, what's the next thing that where he, you.

know, shut down the practice facility or. he has issues with somebody, there's. signs about him, but yeah, the So, what. do you think it is when he opened up. that stadium for the benefit concert? That's what turned everything. >> I genuinely think that was and and I. think Morgan too coming in there, right? That's GM huge hire. Yes. I think him. coming in there and being like, "Hey, we. got the football." With his eyes taped. open. We got the football. We are not. You cannot just be in everything that. we're doing. And Ter said, "I I never. wanted to be. I I never wanted to be.". And then everybody's like, "Well, you. were though." That was kind of part of. the problem. So him acknowledging that,

realizing that, backing away, and then. them having success, so he can maybe. realize or feel fulfillment of backing. away and having success, because his big. thing, just like all these owners, unless they're just born into money, which certainly happens, so I'm not. going to say that hasn't taken place, but a lot of these owners have created a. massive amount of wealth and had a lot. of success and have been the actual. smartest people in the room in basically. every single room that they've gone into. for a majority of their life. And also. they've been the people who have had to. make decisions when everybody else. doesn't want to make decisions. Like the. people that become the billionaires that.

end up, you know, owning NFL teams are. the people who have to sit in a pocket. and say, "You're fired. You're fired. You're fired." And probably screw people. over. I mean, that is just the reality. of running a business into money that. that high-end. So whenever they get into. something that they've invested six, seven, eight, 10 billion dollars into, they've always been the ones that have. had to make the decision. always been. the ones that have had success. This. place hasn't had success. That's why I. was able to buy it. So, it's hard, I. think, for these humans, these these.

types of humans to get in there and be. like, "Okay, now you guys do everything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm going. to stay out." Like, I think that was a. very difficult move for Ter. So, we very. much need to celebrate that. I think. even though, you know, billionaires. don't need to be patted on the back for. things. It's like Ter stepping away when. I know that was very much against his. [ __ ] That is a big deal. I think AJ, >> yeah, he probably became a billionaire. because he was, you know, he had his. hands into everything. He's. micromanaging people, making sure like. the whatever standard he felt, you know, was being met. But, uh, I'm sure every.

owner goes through that, right? Especially if you all of a sudden. become, you come into ownership. Phil. Rivers returns clock that just pop up. out of nowhere. >> What? It's cut off. I can't even see all. the numbers. >> 56 hours 11 minutes 22 seconds from now. Phip Rivers will be taking the field. against the Seattle Seahawks at 4:25. Eastern. Back to your point though, please don't let this distract you. >> I'm not even sure what I was saying. about the owner, but I I feel like Yeah.

Can you imagine any owner though coming. in Yeah. You want to You want to You've. been the guy that everyone's looking to. your whole life. You have the answers, but then like football's a different. thing, man. Yeah, we understand the. business part of it, but I would imagine. as an owner trying to figure out where. you fit in, when you should pop in, when. you shouldn't, when you should leave. them alone, like that's a tough thing. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is. a man who's been a head coach for a team. that has a very involved owner, and a. team that actually doesn't have an. owner, a Super Bowl champion, a living. legend, a Yinszer icon, ladies and. gentlemen, our coach, Coach Mike. McCarthy.

>> Coach, how you doing, coach? Good. looking dog back there. Is that that is. that uh blue ribbon 11 time title dog. back there? >> That's Gus. Yes, he is. That's uh the. best picture of the week up here. It's a. winter winter wonderland. So, um so. yeah, that's the best thing I got for. you this week. I love that. Gus a good. looking duck. >> He's a stud. Gus is a stud. >> Yeah, Gus looks like he has a good time. He wants to be out there finding the. ducks, you know. >> He He's never had a bad day. That's for. sure. >> No. >> Neither of you. Neither of you. It feels. like every time.

>> Oh, I'm having a great I'm having a. great time. I mean, I got the got the. Christmas colors on. I mean, I'm ready. >> Hell yeah. >> The holiday season's about. I wish you. would have told me that you're going to. have ter on in a in a Christmas sweater. I could have, you know, I'm sure I got a. bunch of ugly Christmas sweaters I could. have threw on today. from the good old days. So, >> well, we appreciate you that time of. year. We appreciate you celebrating, coach, because it is that time of year. It is meaningful football time and it's. been a long time since you haven't had. to have a job fully focused every day of. your life on winning games in this. particular time of year. So, I'm happy.

you're enjoying it. Let's wrap up the. TER conversation. I let in there that. Jerry Jones obviously very involved. owner. Green Bay doesn't have an owner. They have like a group or whatever that. makes decisions. For the Ter story and. for the Carolina Panther story, they. might actually win the NFC South. The. Carolina Panthers might be in a might be. hosting a playoff game this year. Just a. couple years back, 250 people in the. stands. Everybody hated them. I would. say brand image, likeness, everything. Lowest maybe in all of professional. sports, Carolina Panthers. They hire new. GM. They get Canalis in there. Bryce. Young gets benched. Then he comes back.

He starts doing his thing. And I. genuinely believe as somebody that has. followed this story from very much the. beginning. Ter becoming a better owner. is a massive piece of why they've become. good. Is that a accurate assessment from. somebody that's in an actual position. and understands what a good owner can do. and what a no owner ship can do? What. are your thoughts on that entire vibe. between owner and how team is actually. run? >> I I definitely agree with you. I think. it's a big part of it and I think that. you know every leader has to go through.

it whether whether you're the owner, a. president, a general manager or a head. coach. I mean, for as successful he's. been in his, you know, in his business. life, this was, this was a new. opportunity, a new arena to compete in. and and definitely there were some. growing pains, but no, I I agree with. you 100%. You know, just to just to have. the opportunity to to interview with. Carolina in 2019 and I go look back at. that conversation and compared to where. they are today. Um, you know, I think. they're leaps and bounds um ahead of. where they were back then. you know,

they were talking about building a. facility down the road there in South. Carolina, that whole process. And, you. know, we're talking about facilities. So, I mean, now you see what what he's. done and and I think the most important. thing, he's a he's a fellow Yenszer, so. I mean, you knew he was going to figure. it out. >> Terzer. >> Oh, yeah. You didn't know that? >> Oh, no. I feel like a terrible person. I. was burying him for a long time, but I. made him better. Made him stronger is. what I was saying this time. Uh, did you. >> press the right buttons? >> Hey, I hope so. I hope I was a part of. the uh solution as opposed to the.

problem because we love the city of. Charlotte and good luck to the Panthers. as they go. I don't know if you saw this. clock. We are 56 hours away, 7 minutes. and 33 seconds. 32 31 now 30 seconds. away from Philip Rivers returning to a. football game uh for the first time in 5. years. How do you feel about this? Obviously, he's going to be able to spin. it. We've seen video coming out of. practice from both uh Romeo Boyd and. Anthony Calhoun. He can still spin it. The ball is still getting to where we. want it to go. Nobody's expecting him to. be able to move, including himself. What. is your expectation of a grandfather.

taking the field for the first time in. five years strictly because, and I would. like to answer this because I have a lot. of respect for Cam Newton and I have a. lot of respect for all the other. quarterbacks that are potentially out. there. He was signed because he knows. the offense. We're in week 15 right now. We don't have time for somebody to learn. this [ __ ] We need to kind of get and. go. Just what are your thoughts on it. all and the expectations of the outcome? I mean, I think it's awesome and I think. it's a great story. Uh, you know, personally having an opportunity to to. work or, you know, really learn from,

frankly, learn from older quarterbacks, you know, back in the 90s with Joe. Montana and Dave Craig. You know, Brett. Favre was an older quarterback, you. know. So, I mean, these these guys have. seen so much football and their time. clocks are they're they're ingrained. I. I think the fact that he's able to come. back and and I think the most important. thing in this transaction is the fact. that he has history in Indianapolis. Um. you know they have they have a you know. renowned training staff there. There's a. relationship so they're going to know. what kind of shape he's in. Uh because.

you know you worry about you know. fatigue injuries and things like that uh. for for guys that have been been out the. stresses that you know the actual. movement in a game you know opposed to. you know the movements that they go. through in their training uh segments. So, I I I think the fact that he's back. at Indianapolis, he's with Shane. Um. he'll run the run game, that that'll be. a breeze, the communication, the. language, and all that. I think the. protection adjustments will be something. that he just needs to, you know, get. back into that. Uh but it's going to be. the timing throws. I think just as much.

as he can throw to those perimeter guys. um between now and Sunday is is going to. be the key just to, you know, just to. kind of give him those those automatic. throws that he's had his whole career. you know, when you get out there on the. numbers out there on the auto bond, the. timing throws to the individual cuts, the inside throws, and then red zone at. third down will be the toughest toughest. things for him because, you know, there's, you know, the the the heighten. of pressure and, you know, manto man and. things like that. And it'll it'll be. curious to see how the defense reacts to. him being out there, what kind of.

coverage they give him in passing. situations. So, if there's anybody that. can do it, definitely Philip can Philip. can pull this off. >> Hey, no speed limits out there. Go. ahead, AJ. Coach, what would your game. plan be? I guess if you you're you know, Phil is thrusting the lineup after five. years away. Obviously, you say, "Oh, yeah, I want to get the ball out of our. hands quick." You know, all this, we. ideally like to run the ball. It's not. always easy. But what would you do, I. guess, if you were coaching Phil for his. first game back? >> Well, I think you hit the most important. thing. You got Jonathan backer. Let's. not forget about that. So, let's make. sure he gets his touches. Uh, but I.

think clearly for Phillip and it's. really what I'd like to do every time. you start a game is, you know, try to. make first and second down as easy as. possible as as possible for him. Uh, because, you know, the challenge is is. the situation situational football that. he's going to encounter and the speed of. that and just being back in the flow of. that that that's going to be I think the. biggest challenge for the quarterback. position. So, and I mean by that is try. to find them some rhythm throws. Try to. find him some free access situation.

Create some type formations and in. motion that, you know, get some off the. ball type easy completions early so he. can get into a rhythm and just get back. into what Sunday afternoon really feels. like. >> Uh, I hope Phil Rivers utilizes Tyler. Warren just like he did Antonio Gates. >> Michael Pitman would be willing to die. on a football field to go get a ball. Phil Rivers knows that. And from my. understanding, the competitive juices. and the chirping has not slowed down at. all. The guy's excited. The guy's eager.

And the guy's about to kick his Hall of. Fame status back another five years. And. that's going to be a first ballot hall. of fame talk after he wins the Super. Bowl with the Indianapolis Colts this. year. Just like Coach McCarthy said, just like this guy just said here in. front of his dog Gus, looking to win. that trophy right there. The one that's. kind of peeking out right there. That's. what Phil Rivers is looking to do with. the Indianapolis Colts. Now, you won one. of those with the Packers. Ty, is a. question about that? Yeah, coach, after. the Packers got a massive win at home. against the Bears to go back into first. in the NFC North, how confident in are.

you in them going into the playoffs? Jordan Love obviously playing his best. football right now. I think the team is. as a whole in a league where there's. maybe three to four teams uh who could. go to the NFC Championship. Just how. confident are you in the Packers moving. forward? >> Oh, I I love what the Packers are doing. I think a number one the most important. part of your football team is the. defense and they're that defense is. playing lights out. Um I I just I can't. say enough about the consistency of how. they played week in and week out and I.

think it's the most consistent component. of their football team. You know. secondly um you know the the run game is. definitely there and you know they had. the two big post throws uh for. touchdowns u by Jordan. So um I think. they're playing very well. um the. ability to play at home. That that was a. I thought that was a hell of a game. Sunday, you know, versus the Bears. You. know, you look at the first half versus. the second half and you cannot win. enough close games throughout the. season, especially this time of year. Um, I've always felt that, you know,

winning close games were was critical uh. to have during your path because, you. know, I look back and and AJ can attest. to this when we were 15 and one, we. actually, you know, we we had too many. blowout wins and not that you can ever. have too many of them, but you know, you. you need you need those tough games. You. you need those physical games, those. reality games, and and I think when you. get get into these late division games, it gives you that. And I think it's. great preparation uh for for you know. for the playoffs. Uh but the best thing.

we got going in Green Bay right now is. that defense and um you know the. perimeter's getting healthy. You can see. them getting better each week you know. um so that that's exciting. Uh ball. distribution I think Jordan's done a. really nice job with that. Uh but you. know you have to you have to like tie. what the what the Packers are doing. >> How about on the other side the Bears? You think they're about a year out? I. think, you know, AQ Shipley comes in. here uh once a week and I said, "You. think they're about a year out with Ben. Johnson and the Bears? I think they're a. really good team." I'm talking a year. out from being like uh, you know, Super.

Bowl conversation team. And AQ goes, "If. the quarterback can learn the football,". basically was his response. It's like. quarterback definitely much better this. year than he was last year. He was like, "Yeah, but he's got to continue to go.". He obviously has a new situation, new. system this year than he did last year. They're having success. Ben Johnson is. super genius offensively is how we all. view him, right? Don't we all? We all. view Ben Johnson super genius on the. offensive side. Is it just Caleb's. development that's basically going to. decide whether or not the Bears win a. Super Bowl or not? Like how do you kind. of view the Bears over the next two.

years if you had to project? >> Well, it's definitely arrow pointing up. and I think sometimes, you know, when. you win when you win a lot in your first. year, um you know, particularly close. games and things, you know, go your way. Um, I mean, look, look at Washington. last year and then look what they were. able to you spring the board that into. with a with an excellent run all the way. to the NFC Championship game. So, um, you know, it I do believe in year to. year. Um, but frankly, I I I wouldn't be. too hard on on Cle um cuz he's. different. He makes.

>> Cle Williams. >> It's Caleb. I mean, Jesus Christ. You. were nowhere. You were nowhere near. >> Okay. You've never made a mistake on. >> I knew what you're talking about. We. knew what you're talking about. >> I was just giving you an opportunity. there. I love it when you when you talk. >> Hey, >> hey, Cleave is a dog though. No, >> guys. Sorry. Sorry, Caleb. I cut you. off. I didn't I didn't know if you were.

talking about like a quarterback coach. I honestly did not know. Right. >> Well, I'm not as down I'm I'm not as. down on them as as your comment there. is. I see a guy that makes a lot of. plays. He is in a structured, you know, a you know, an offense that asks a lot. of the quarterback, which is a great. thing for him, but it's his first year. in that offense. So, yes. Are there are. there growing pains? I I I would think. clearly. I mean, I'm not I'm not in.

there. don't don't have access to any of. that type of information, but there's. definitely some growing pains, but the. guy can make plays with his feet in his. arm. And I, you know, when I look back. in the history of some great. quarterbacks that were a little bit. bouncing off the walls the first couple. years, and if they could just stay. healthy and keep playing, I I think. they're going to have a hell of a player. there. But the best thing they got going. for him is Ben because he has him in a. structured, you know, he he has a. system. He has to learn to run that. system and then everything he does with.

his feet and his playmaking ability is a. bonus and that's that's a good place to. be in quarterback development in my. opinion. >> Yeah, they got good people around him. Coach Ben Johnson, Coach Cle. Uh they. also got co they got D out there, you. know. They got D out there. Coach. >> No, no, not doing it. Not doing it. Not. doing it. Coach, you did not deserve. that. That was rude. But let's talk. about staying healthy, shall we? Let's. talk about staying healthy, especially. at the quarterback position. I was on. the Colts obviously when Andrew Luck was. just getting I mean he thought it was. disrespectful to football to give up on.

a play. He got hit a lot. A lot of. injuries took place. Serious injuries. took place. Another one happened and. then that led to an early retirement. Now all eyes are looking towards. Cincinnati and have been for a while. Go. ahead con man. >> Yeah coach with the Bengals and Jeff I. can't even get it out. I was going to. say Jeff Burrow but uh with the Ben with. the Bengals and Joe Burrow. uh he gave a. press conference yesterday and basically. said like hey the the fun of the game. seems to be you know not leaving him but. he doesn't he's not finding joy right. now and everything and that's kind of. understandable with the injuries he's.

had I believe you know he's 29 he's only. played three full seasons um I I believe. that's accurate and he just came back. they were still in it unfortunately uh. with the loss to Buffalo it's very very. hard for them now to kind of find a way. to the playoffs you uh were coaching Dak. Prescott when he went through, you know, his kind of worst time as a pro with, you know, his injuries and some of the. terrible things he had to go through to. get to, you know, the point where he's. at now. Um, what do you say to a player. like this when they're in a situation.

where there doesn't seem to be much hope. at the end of the tunnel? Do you think, Burrow, this is kind of one of those. things where you just kind of have to go. back to the drawing board? Um, what do. you think of this whole situation? And. how do you think the Bengals as a front. office and an organization can kind of. uh fix Jeff Burrow? >> Joe, his name's [ __ ]. >> Joey B. Joey B. But um, no, I I think. number one, um, just, you know, overall. injuries is clearly the worst part of. the game. Yeah, when you watch players.

go through injury um and and the the. amount of time they put into each and. every you know season, the prehab and. the sports science and advancement and. and to think that how much Joe has been. through as far as getting back from the. you know injuries of the past. Um yes, I. could definitely see, you know, why he. may be feeling the way he is. I I think. you have to number one uh for you know. for people that have to go up there and. do press conferences on a regular basis. you know everybody wants you to you know.

be honest you know and give a real. answer and the fact that he gave one um. I I think you have to respect that. because that's you know that's that. that's you know that's very personal to. him and uh and I think he you know he. gives you make you know insight of where. what he's thinking about right now but. yeah the coming back from injuries is. it's a long process I mean Dak in. particular I mean there there's clearly. you know nothing that you you can't feel. for these guys because playing. quarterback and really playing. professional football it's a it's a 12.

month 7 day a week deal. I mean these. guys you know whether you know. postseason and what you know what they. get through as far as their time off and. going into it. But I think what what do. you what do you do and what do you say? I think frankly you rely on the. relationships and the support you know. that you have around him. I mean, you. know, just from my understanding, you. know, he's a very wellrespected young. man, not only in in, you know, in. Cincinnati, but in the National Football. League. So, I think the people closest. to him and uh relying on that and just.

to make sure he's talking to people and. and going through this. But I I I think. he gave you a very honest answer uh to. to a question in a press conference that. he could have easy threw away. And um. and it's and also just I think it shows. how much he how much he cares, you know, how much he puts into it and and uh. yeah, injuries is the worst part of it. There's been a lot of great players, you. know, whose careers have been cut short. uh quarterbacks who maybe have never got. off to the start or or maybe have the. finish in their career uh because of the.

because of injury. >> They're saying some crazy stuff about. Joe Burrow leaving the Bengals and maybe. getting traded and going somewhere else. >> Oh yeah, they're definitely going to. trade him. They they do that. Yeah, that's what the Bengals do. Yeah, the. Bengals. >> Good Car Carson Palmer. >> Well, he could say, "I'm I'm either. going to retire or you're going to let. me out here. I'm not eating the sauce. >> out of the janitor. >> I'm not paying for the the the chili the. skyline skyline. >> that you guys are serving." That That's. what happened. That's just what happened. back in the day. Allegedly. I think. reportedly Carson Palmer allegedly.

reportedly I think on the record said, "Yeah, >> I'm I'm a retire.". >> Which one? Right. I think it was all of them. It It was. alleged at the beginning, then it was. reported, and then I think Carson. himself came out and said. >> that is kind of how the conversation. went. So, what I was trying to give you. is a full dive of journalism. It was. alleged at the beginning, then it got. reported, and then I think Carson came. out and said, "Yeah, I told him I'm not. doing it anymore." And then he goes to.

the Raiders, and then he goes to the. Cardinals, and he has a full career. afterwards. But he had to like say he. was going to just, "I'm not playing. football anymore. I'm not doing it if. you're not going to let me out of here. Cincinnati Bengals aren't like a big. move type place, you know. But on that. note, they did spend massive amounts of. money seemingly to keep Joe Burrow. happy. And then now if you don't win, is. anybody ever happy? We just want Joey B. to know we love you, buddy. We love you. You're good for ball, Joe. You're good. for ball. >> In that same press conference, he seemed. pretty happy when they talked about.

Pokemon cards. So maybe the Bengals. could just start paying him in Pokemon. cards. >> Hey, hey, coach, you remember when. everybody was doing Pokemon Go at. training camp? Was that happening with. your team? >> Uh, probably was, but I didn't. participate. You got That's probably a. better question for AJ. >> AJ, WERE YOU GUYS POKEMON GOING? >> NO, we were not. >> Don't lie. I'll tell you. >> Me and Venitary were walking through. training camp and there was like an open. area. >> That's when people were like walking off. of buildings and stuff. Is that what. you're talking about? >> Out of windows and everything like that. Grand Canyon. >> Had their phone like this. It was. Pokémon Go. Coach, you know anything.

about this? >> I I do not. I mean, I'm superficially. >> Yeah. Yeah. your 30,000 foot view. 30,000 foot view. You've heard the. stories obviously, but yeah, it was the. thing that kind of captivated everybody. Everybody was playing as Pokémon Go. Had. to be on your phone. And people just on. their phones. They were walking right. off buildings, right into trains, like. just into things. It really captivated. the world. Not NFL guys. Well, maybe. I. don't know. But we were walking from uh. the cafeteria area to team meeting after. practice at night. And me and Vinnie are. just walking through and we got.

offensive linemen, linebackers doing his. Pokemon go. We got a meeting in 10. minutes. We got a Pokemon Go. >> Let me catch it. Let me catch it. >> I've never heard Venitary Quicker say. we're [ __ ] this year. And I I was Yes, we are. I think we Any other position. maybe, you know, any other position, but. we had it wasn't our starters obviously, but it was in the offensive line room. kind of doing their thing. And it's. like, well, season hasn't started, but. it's already over basically. We might as. well go ahead and see how this goes. But. it was a good game. Hey, it was it I.

didn't play any I didn't catch them any. of them. I would try to catch them all. Sure. >> But it it had everybody including our. team and it was not good indicators. It. was like uh I don't think it was great. for anybody. Okay. AJ has a question for. you. Coach, sorry about coach. >> Speaking of that, teams that especially. don't have any chance. It seems like. this year there's more teams that have a. chance to win it. And usually going in. there's like a handful of teams I feel. like, okay, they actually have a chance, but now we talk about parody throughout. the league. Why do you think that is. right now? Why are there so many teams I. guess seems like more teams that that.

truly could go on a run and win a Super. Bowl? Yeah, I I think it's amazing. I I think. the definition of parody is adjusted, you know, every year and and definitely. it's what the league wants and I think. what the commissioner wants and I and. personally I think it's awesome. Um I go. back to 1993 was my first year and. that's right when plea uh plan B free. agency. >> ended and I always remember the speech. that Marty Shanheimimer would he gave. particularly at the beginning of the. season and uh he said hey there's. there's three categories of teams in.

this league. He says, "You got the Super. Bowl contenders." He goes, "And at that. time, he, you know," he was flat out, he. just said it. He said, "San Francisco. and Dallas, they're they're better than. all of us right now, and Buffalo's. probably right up there." He said, "So. that's the group that on paper could win. the Super Bowl today." And he said, "And. you got about 12 or 15 teams that are. in, you know, the second group." And, you know, th those teams, our team, we. need to work, you know, throughout the. season to continue to get better and. continue. and he, you know, he had his. plan and was stating his vision and how.

it's so important to November, December, playing your best football into the. playoffs. And then he said the third. categories are teams that, you know, they just have so many challenges uh. that they won't be able to overcome and, you know, and then certain teams are so, you know, effed up, they're never going. to win. So, so he in his colorful words, but and I always thought that was a. really good, you know, 360 viewpoint of. the league. And I've always looked at it. that way. And I think if you as you. know, everybody gears up in the. offseason, we go into training camp and.

and I'm sure you guys talked about this. on the show. Uh I mean, I don't know how. many teams you probably thought were. Super Bowl contenders this year. I think. the numbers bigger, probably 10 to 12. And then there's a then there is. probably that second group is probably. 12 to 14. And then you have another, you. know, 8 six to eight down there at the. bottom that that just have so many. challenges they they can't overcome. And. I think that's really how the league has. gone of of of particularly late and I. think these division games at the end. have been very helpful. Um, you know, I. think that, you know, the drafting and.

all the other, you know, the people. utilizing the free agency, the. increasing the cap and, you know, I I. just, um, I think the parody of the. league is great and and I I think it. really illustrates the importance of, you know, the organizational, you know, um, impact as far as facilities, sport. science, uh, you know, your support, your support people, um, their. importance should be, you know, higher. valued. the value of coaching should be. should be higher and know not to be. self- serving but you know because.

because it is so competitive uh you know. in the arena of of player you know. acquisition you know because you know. with the draft and you know and there's. so much information that's out there. today compared to you know where where. we were 30 years ago on these guys and. uh you know just think about you know a. player coming out of high school going. going through college and by the time he. gets to the NFL draft just you know the. amount of information on that particular. individual, you know. So, um, par p. parody is is is awesome for the league.

and and I I think you see it more and. more, you know, each year, but, you. know, teams who you thought were in in. September were going to win a Super. Bowl, you know, where are they at today? And then you look at the teams like. Indianapolis or was probably in that. second group if they can get going and, you know, Daniel comes along like the. way we thought and, you know, can can. now get into that, you know, that New. England was probably a team that you. thought, hey, they were young. They did. some things at the end of the year that. you really like. Drake May was shown. what he can be. So I I just think Did I. get the name right, Pat?

>> Yeah, you did. I thought you were going. to do more about the Colts and then as. soon as we got the countdown clock for. the Rivers returns and you you moved off. the Colts, he went to the Patriots and. then Connor was losing his So did a. great job for the all parties there. But. I was hoping we were going to talk about. how Phil Rivers maybe takes them from. we're in that middle group and then. we're moved in top group and then all of. a sudden quickly we went down that. bottom group. Oh no, these guys got a. chance. And then 44 year old grandpa. comes in all of a sudden we. you know we go right back up that thing. in 55 hours we find out 55 hours we find.

out. >> well we're in the top group and the. Colts right now. So I mean you know. definitely you can go from group one to. two to three. I mean I I'm I'm excited. to watch Philip play. I think this is. >> I think it's awesome and I I think the. fit with Shane and everything he got. going. So I like I said maybe I got to. say it again. If anybody can do it, Philip Rivers can do it. And uh. >> did 55 hours and 46 minutes and 48. seconds. >> Wow. That's pretty good out of you right. there. You know that's multiple times. >> Pay attention. >> Yeah, you saw it. You saw it. Yeah, Phil, you can get See you later, Phil.

See you later. Thank you. >> It's a nice little reminder to pop that. up like holy hell. >> That's cool. Your graphics are. unbelievable. Your production team's. incredible. >> Yeah, the boys are really good. They. >> Oh, they're they're special. Some of the. I mean that g that Galo thing I'm still. laughing. Where the hell you guys pulled that out. of? >> Well, you know, mathematics is the. universe's love language. You know, that's what uh. Galo's singing it. I mean, >> I see a little.

very very frightening. leo. Let me go. Let me go. I'm just a poor boy from a poor family. >> He's just a poor boy from a poor family. Anyway, >> AJ, you missed you must have missed the. rehearsal there.

>> No, AJ. HE WILL BUY THE [ __ ]. >> IT BOTHERS HIM A BIT, COACH. It does. bother him a bit. >> Yeah, I don't know if he didn't do it. I. don't know if he didn't buy in when with. you guys at the Packers, but I'll tell. you what, Whiz Khalifa was on our team. for one day and he said, "Boys, put your. hands up." We immediately everybody's. hands went up like this. AJ, two feet. away from Whiz Khalifa. I don't think. so, Bob. I'm not your puppet. >> He actually gave him the finger.

>> Yeah, he did. It was unbelievable. Just. like he did to you. Just like he did to. you on the field. Yeah. So, thank you, coach. If you could send him a side note. about buying in, we'd appreciate that. Thank you for bringing that up, coach. >> I'll coach him up. >> Thank you, coach. Thank you. All right. I see gust in the snow back there. >> Yeah, >> that means magic's happening. That means. meaningful football is happening. AJ, we. let you off the hook there too easy. I I. I don't think we yelled enough, but we. will get back to that after coach. McCarthy is no longer here. I feel like. we are disrespecting Coach McCarthy.

airing out kind of our inner team. dynamics right now. BUT AJ, YOU NEED TO. BUY IN WHEN WE'RE SINGING GODDAMN. GALILEO. OKAY. AND THAT is just for the. good. >> a little bit of a delay. You know the. delay. You know there's other programs. You guys are connected virtually. >> Always excuses. >> They're like socks. Everybody's got them. >> And Bones got them a bunch of crusty. ones. >> All right. >> What? >> That's uh. >> What is happening? >> That's gust in the snow. Okay. It's uh. cold time. It's very cold here. We got.

snow. We just had a snowstorm that came. out of nowhere. >> It did. And it's coming again. >> Supposed to come tonight. It came. earlier. But that means one thing. Holidays. Okay. Thanksgiving already. happened. We got Christmas, New Year's. We got uh all the holidays that are. happening right now. More importantly. though, we got playoff pushes, playoff. runs, meaningful football, which means. one thing. Go ahead, Tone. >> Yeah, coach. Obviously, you coached in. Green Bay, Wisconsin outside, very, very. cold, a lot of snow, and then down in. Dallas inside, it's warmer down there. Everyone talks about the advantages of.

cold weather teams and playing in the. cold weather all the time. There's seven. games this weekend under 32. Four of. those games are going to be under 20. with windchills about zero. Is it. actually an advantage to those teams. that are used to playing outside in the. cold or is that something that that we. make too much of? >> Oh, I I think it's definitely an. advantage. I mean, I've always felt that. and and I wouldn't say from a. psychological or or mental. I I think. it's more about the opportunity to. handle the football out in the cold. And. >> and AJ, when we were in Green Bay, we.

would always practice outside. The only. the only thing that ever took me inside. was the wind, you know, high winds. Uh I. always felt it was important to be. outside on the grass and you we were. fortunate to have the facilities up. there you know with the heated heated. field just you know the fields the. practice fields were identical to the. field in you know at Lambeau Field. So I. think it's critical and and and the most. important part is is the ball is. handling the football. Uh we would do. extra ball drills religiously in the. outdoor work uh because that's that's.

where I felt the the biggest advantage. was. And you know, thank God for Aaron. Rogers and thank God for Brett Favre, but you know, the you know, the big. hands, the long arms, ability to torque. the football and and I always loved it. when the weather was cold and and and. you know, you didn't have the high wind. in there because, you know, you always. felt great confidence in your passing. game um because of, you know, the. ability to to throw the ball and you. know, I thought it really helped our. perimeter group um create separation in. in in that weather because defense is,

you know, a half a step slower, you. know, in that weather on the outdoor. surface in my opinion in those elements. So, I think there's clearly are. advantages uh playing in that weather. and and practicing outside and being. that more from the, you know, the. elements standpoint as far as how you. playing it, not the psychological, oh, it's cold and cuz hell, I mean, you. know, the players are probably in the. best spot in the whole stadium uh as far. as keeping warm. You know, they're out. there running around, they come off, they got the jackets put on them, the.

heating. I mean, the only time I think I. ever went to the bench was in cool. weather uh to talk to the quarterbacks, and I really wasn't over there to talk. to them. I was over there to get, you. know, warm my ass up because I was. freezing. But um I think that, you know, the the elements do favor um the teams. that do play. I I always felt y and I. thought and it was more, you know, catching a football and and some of the. games that, you know, we had lost over. the years and it really came down to, you know, who handled the football. better. And I think that's that'll be a. big key big key in all these in all.

these games played this weekend. >> NFLweather.com, shout out to them for. providing all that. And uh we talked to. Jordan Love the other day as he was. promoting Toyota in which he has. dominated during but during Toyota thawn. is a lot of bad weather at Lambo and. he's always played well during it. And. he talked about how I don't love it. AJ. said AJ's from Ohio. I'm from. Pittsburgh. You know, we're from cold. places. Everybody's like, you know, they're from the north. They like the. cold. Uh-uh. Nobody likes the cold. It's. just whether or not you've already. mentally had to go through the entirety.

of how bad it sucks, which is what. happens on the daily basis. I think. that's a huge deal as well, which is why. you pointed out we practice outside. every day unless the wind would affect. it. I think that is the big advantage, coach, that you agree. >> Yeah, definitely. And, you know, and. quarterbacks that that play in the dome, um, you know, that are not used to it. and maybe don't have big hands, you. know, that that's that's something they. got to deal with. That ball comes off. their hand a little differently, too. So, um, yeah, I I I I agree with. everything you've said. I mean, no one.

likes playing in that weather. Um, but I. I do think it is an advantage to be able. to practice in that weather. >> Wet Soula got any of these games, cold. games coming up or how had any because. remember he was literally the example. that everybody gave like this Miami. Dolphins team's very good. Then he. traveled up to Kansas City was like neg5. or whatever and it was just the complete. opposite like clearly getting beat by. the cold weather. Uh, go ahead. Monday. night. It's supposed to be 18, I. believe, in Pittsburgh. >> We're going to find out, Gumpy. We're.

>> pound the rock now. We got an offensive. line now. This a different ball club. than your. >> final. I'm excited for this. Who are the. mentally tough teams that can handle the. weather and who needs to have homefield. advantage through the playoffs? That's a. big deal through it all. And is Phil. Rivers going to be a guy who in 74 hours. >> 39 minutes? >> What? >> There it is. I can't see the first. number. So, that's been off by 20 hours. Nope. >> No. Game got flexed. It was initially. supposed to be a 4:00 a.m. local kickoff. time. They moved it to 4:25. >> Easier. Yeah. So, we just got that.

information. >> Just came. Who discovered this? >> Who discovered that uh it got flipped. from 4:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. >> Conor uh Connor dropped in my ear there. and he goes, "If at 4:25, would we not. be 72 hours away from the game?" And I. looked at the clock and I quick like, "Yeah, it's Thursday." And then, you. know, go to the back room. Hey, we're. way off on that thing. How do we even. So, while you were giving a great answer. about the weather there, there was quite. an explosion of uh joy around here with.

how stupid we are. Just know that 74. hours from now, 38 minutes and 40. seconds, Phil Rivers returns to a. football field. >> Let's go, baby. >> Hey, Seattle. Good luck. Yeah, right. Good luck. He's been waiting 5 years for. this. You. >> We have a West Coast clock, too, just so. they know. Or. >> Oh, that's. >> just 71 38 25, right? >> No, I don't think it changes, actually. You're right. you know, Jesus, let's not. just uh speaking of time and uh. everybody having one, Connor has a. question about when the time is right. >> Yeah, coach, hate to go there uh with.

you with Green Bay, but towards the end. of your tenure there, you know, you were. a legend. You won a Super Bowl and, you. know, the the time just seemed right for. you to be leaving, you know, whether you. felt that or not. But right now with. Kansas City and Baltimore and. Pittsburgh, uh it does feel as though. three three places, three legendary. coaches and not that their seats are. hot, but the conversation at least is. there where hey, there needs to be some. sort of change. Kansas City is much. different, of course, just because of.

the very recent success. But with. Baltimore and Pittsburgh, it just feels. as though they've fallen short very. consistently here uh in recent memory. Do you think that those coaches, whether. it be Harbaugh, Tomlin, or Andy Reid, have a sense of the end is close as far. as those particular locations, or do you. think um they don't even hear that? They. don't feel that uh they they're just. staying the course like what was your. experience with that in Green Bay? And. what do you think they're going through.

right now? >> Um I I'll say this. I think number one, all all three of those men uh in my. opinion deserve to to to to step away. when it when they feel it's time. And. and hopefully that'll be a a mutual uh. understanding between them and their. organizations. Uh because when when. their time is up at at the three. organizations they work for, they will. be missed. You know, it may take a year. or two or at some point, but trust me, those those are three Hall of Fame uh.

caliber, you know, football coaches. you're talking about. Not only that, as. far as who they are as coaches, they. they they've built a championship. program. Uh, winning a Super Bowl is. very difficult and and I've said this. before on on the show and I believe it. wholeheartedly, but s sustained success. in the NFL in my opinion is much harder. Uh, to be able to win week in and week. out, you know, year in and year out to. put your team in the playoffs is. extremely difficult. uh because we've. seen it time and time again where a team.

gets hot and probably plays their best. football the last five weeks of the. season but was so up and down and just. maybe just got into the playoffs. You. look at our particular uh team in 2010. Now we we felt we were a Super Bowl. contender when the season started. Uh we. felt we arrived in '09. Uh but we had a. tremendous amount of ch you know. challenges with the injuries and kind of. slugged it around. you know, Aaron. missed two games, you know, with with. two concussions. I mean, we had injuries.

all over the place and and we were kind. of just scrapping to stay in there and. uh and really fought to get in at the. end. You know, it wasn't we weren't. playing really great football even the. last game against the Bears. Um it was. not our best outing, but you know, we we. still won the game to get in the. playoffs and then, you know, we we we we. got going and um so we went on a. four-ame tear and and you know, I think. all the adversity that we went through. give us confidence. So I, you know, I I. think you got to you got to be careful. about that. But I but I understand the.

fans um I'm getting to watch it from. this chair. I talked about this last. week. I I can't believe the volatility. uh the up and down. Um because you know. you look at Pittsburgh seven days ago, you know, the way we were talking about. now they're in first place. So, you. know, I just think and I think number. eight will throw the ball very well come. Sunday in the weather. But, uh, you. know, I I just think you got to be. careful. Um, what watch what you wish. for is I guess is my is my message here. >> But everybody wants more, coach. Everybody wants more. >> I Hey, watch what you wish for. I mean.

the Philly. >> Philly media is calling for you know is. Jaylen Herz going to be the starter. >> two coach seriani getting asked that. question actually right now get he in a. presser yesterday. Hey, you you thinking. about quarterback change? >> One more bad game. >> What do they just paid him what $700. billion dollars and he just won a Super. Bowl last year and you know things. aren't obviously aren't going great and. people were addressing Pulo immediately. throughout the entire season but now. Jaylen year after winning the Super Bowl. as quarterback like hey you thinking.

about. >> Tanner McKe looks good. >> You talk about the volatility it's like. that's a good thing for the league to. have that amount of passion but it is in. those buildings and I appreciate you. saying you didn't even realize it was. like this. You have to be able to keep. everybody going the same way because. nowadays, more so than ever. All that. [ __ ] can get in. It's in everybody's. hand. All that shit's in everybody's. hand that is walking around there. Players, coaches, you name it. Trainers, managers, they all see all of it. So. once that starts getting in, I assume. that is when it ends, right? That that's. the goal of a head coach in the modern. welcome to the modern world. That is.

like the modern world head coach there, right? The noise is very loud, maybe. louder than it's ever been and more. accessible for players, coaches, you. name it, in the building. I I think what. I think it's a great a great um lead in. to why I had coach his messaging his. messaging is so important. Um I I think. you know working in Dallas was was a. tremendous experience on on so many. different fronts but you know it really. you know gave me a a great view to the. frankly working at the content capital. of the world. I mean, content is.

generated, you know, at every turn. because there's value in that. And I. think when you look at some of these. situations that we're talking about, you. know, you got you got content that's. being created through dramatic. questioning in a press conference and. and it's, you know, sometimes, you know, the the reality and the common sense is. is not even in the building. So I think. you got to have the ability to filter. and have an understanding, you know, what content is really being generated. for why it's the agenda, why it's being. generated. But the reality of it is, you.

know, now for something that you feel is. wrong with that championship program. that's not getting you to the spot that. you know that was getting you before, then then you're having a different. conversation. But I don't think that's. the case in Kansas City, Baltimore, and. Pittsburgh. So, I think you got to. really really, you know, take a close. look at that. And I think, frankly, that's, you know, you look, you look at. the ownership in all three of those. places. You're talking about great great. ownership and, you know, I I think those. are internal conversations that, you. know, common sense will prevail and and.

then they'll make a, you know, they'll. make educated decisions and and I I but. I think all three of those coaches will. be, you know, involved in that decision-. making. >> Coach, penthouse to outouse so quick. you know what everything is what have. you done for me lately and for those. coaches you talk about uh Andy Reid. Tomlin and Harbaugh and you mentioned at. the beginning I think those coaches have. earned their ability to be able to say. when they want to leave then we just saw. what happened with Pete Carol in Seattle. a couple years ago and then we see what. happens immediately afterwards we saw. what happened in New England whenever. they make a change from Bill then they.

make a change it doesn't work out they. make another change and they immediately. have success it's like you see those two. but we don't talk about how about. Tennessee kicking Fable kicking new. coach and it going even like there's a. lot of the other side too that happens. whenever you decide to move on. The. grass isn't necessarily always greener. But all these fans want to say is it'd. be nice to just see it though. Like see. if it's greener, you know, see if it is. uh maybe a little bit more potent if we. could do it maybe a little bit more. exciting, maybe less. We have a winning. season and we want a Super Bowl again is. what Yinszers are saying. Baltimore.

Ravens are saying the same thing. We. shall see it all works out. Let's look. at tonight's game. Okay, Tampa. Buccaneers can still very much go win a. Super Bowl. They can win the NFC South. They can have a home playoff game. They're taking on Kirk Cousins and the. Atlanta Falcons. Fresh off an ass. beating from the Seattle Seahawks. Bucks. just lost to the Saints. It is now 5 and. a half points the spread the Bucks are. favored at home on Thursday night on. Prime. Coach McCarthy, you would be. very, very good if you were to actually. be picking games for Thursday night.

Nine and four. Nine and four is the. record. We went through all your text. messages. We went through everything. Nine and four is what you would be right. now. How do you see tonight going, coach? Well, you know, I'll say this. I. thought, you know, uh I thought I I made. my pick this morning when it was four. and a half, but that's fine. I'll. participate. >> No, I think number one, when you know, when I look at this game, um you know, here we go again. He's going to say, "Yeah, it's a division game, I think you. got to always bring that into light, especially division games, uh at the end.

of the year." And I think, you know, anytime you feel like the field's tilted. one way or the other too high, I think. you got to really look at Connor. intuition and and that's it. And I go. back to the division game is that how. well these teams know each other. So, I. do think it's going to be a very good. game. Uh the first thing that I see when. I look at the matchup, I think it's. going to be critical. The team that gets. the ball to their running backs, I think. will be probably the most successful on. offense, regardless if they hand it to. her or throw it to them. I think you got. you got two dynamic running back groups.

in this game. I think you got good. matchups up front. You know, it looks. like um you know, looks like Tampa's. healthy. I really like the way the Edge. players are playing in in Atlanta here. down the stretch the last four or five. weeks. You know, Leonard Floyd's back. Uh you know, and I think they got a. really good rotation there. U so I think. it's you got some really good matchups. I think Atlanta's going to have to. shorten the game some. um you know tried. try try to you know you I don't think. you want to get into a you know a big a. lot of series exchange with with Tampa. Bay because Tampa Bay to me is is still.

the best team in the NFC South. Um I. think their ability to to to both run it. and throw it um is you know they they. got a lot of balance uh throughout that. team. You know they got Bucky Irvin. back. It's great to see him healthy. You. know dynamic young player. So uh you. know I think the balance of Tampa Bay. would prevail. Um, you know, the. defenses, you know, they both bring a. lot to the table. I think schematically, Tampa has always been a challenge, you. know, schematically. Um, you know, especially if you don't play them very. often, but it is a division game. Um,

so, you know, I looked at the weather. It's going to be a beautiful night down. there. 50 I think 58 degrees, 4 mph. And, uh, you know, I think with that, you know, ball distribution should be. very high. The vitals are always there. You know, who takes care of the football. versus who takes it away. No question. But I think if Atlanta can shorten the. game, it'll serve him well. But I do. like I do like Tampa Bay in this game. with the points. >> Mike Evans is back, too, you know. So, we'll see a show there. Baker Mayfield's. going to go crazy on prime time, per. usual. And uh we can't thank you enough,

coach, for joining us. Tell Gus we said. hello and the entire fam. >> You bet. Happy holidays. I know we're. just getting started, so you guys have a. great weekend. >> Happy holiday. >> Happy holidays, coach. Ladies and. gentlemen, Coach Michael. >> Yeah, coach. >> He's been pulling for Khalib for the. whole time. Ben Johnson brought him in there as a. quarterback coach and then just kind of. kept going. God, >> he was amazing. He likes the Bucks down. there in Tampa Bay. Beautiful weather. tonight. >> Yeah, >> I like that. Especially as we got snow. all around. We go watch game down there. in Tampa. Uh Mike Evans is going to go.

ham. >> Like that's just what is going to prime. time game. Mike Evans What do you think? You think. >> No, no. I think he might. But also, this. is the first time that I not the number. one wide receiver in a long time. Remember how he's going to go when he. was Yeah. Okay, so we're all seeing it. the same way. We'll continue digitally. on uh YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus. We got kicked off of TikTok, I guess, >> again. I feel like we get attacked on. there by people. Been getting attacked a. lot lately. >> I wonder why.

>> What's that all about? Be a friend, tell. a friend something nice. We'll see you. tomorrow. Goodbye. Um, yeah. What is that all about? >> I meant I wonder what you mean. >> Tik Tok's just fix. >> I had poor timing on my I wonder why. I. know why the Tik Tok. That's why I said. that. >> Oh, yeah. We're being too too patriotic. >> Okay. I don't know if that's. >> Oh, >> I don't know if that's what it is. I. think this time they said we were. stealing content. We put some of these. >> from who? >> You know who? >> Maybe the singing. That'd be crazy. >> Us singing.

>> Could have been the Tony Ryden or the. MMA. >> fighting. Fighting could have been the thing. >> 100% the singing. >> 100% our fault. Yeah. It could be the. Gal. >> It's the singing. It's the singing. >> Queen was pissed. Yeah. >> said, "Yeah, right. That sounds too much. like what it's supposed to sound like.". >> Freddy Mercury got back. >> I see a little. man. >> We're going to get banned. We're getting. banned. You're right. >> Get banned. >> AJ, that's why AJ didn't sing. >> Yeah, he's beautiful voice.

>> You're right. >> That's what he said. He's I'm trying to. look out for the business for this. business for the program. Speaking of. this business, we will have uh John Cena. live IN STUDIO TOMORROW. >> WHAT? >> JOHN SENNA? >> NO, John Cena. >> Oh, excuse me. Sorry. John Cena will be. in the in the Thunderdome tomorrow and. Saturday night he will have his last. ever WWE match on Saturday night main. event on Peacock and NBC against GA. They got a stacked card. It's going to.

be a spectacular night. Andy's uh last. conversation I do believe before the big. fight will go through will be with us as. he sits right here. I don't know if that. chair is going to be big enough for how. Jack John Cena is. >> I need to wear my glasses. Yeah. >> Any surprises you think? >> I think they have any like runins or. anything? Anything crazy? >> I would assume now. could just be a match, you know, could. just want to go out old school. Let's. just do a match. Let's not do this. But. they've been the last time is now has.

kind of been the entire year here. And. uh this would be the last time ever for. a guy that a lot of people in the. business call the GOAT for good reason. 20 plus years on top. carried business. to a completely different level and into. a whole thing and was there every single. night like love the business. So, I. would assume that they're going to try. to make this a spectacle. But John Cena. is very much like I don't want I would. rather it just be wrestling show cuz. he's super wrestling guy like he is. This is how wrestling is supposed to go. This is how it's supposed to be. This is. what it's supposed to be. And I think he.

does have some say in that whole thing. So, I I assume that there will be quite. a who's who on Saturday night for John. Cena's last match ever, especially with. how many years and how many different. generations he worked with and all that. stuff. So, yeah, I think it's probably. going to be a Royal. >> Royal Rumble. Yeah. Turn into Royal. Rumble. Someone Oh, the new music hits, John knocks that dude out. Someone else. comes out, knock you out, throw you into. the crowd. All. >> a Undertaker comes out. >> Mhm. >> Aa. >> Yeah. I mean, >> the Rock comes out. Hey uh just.

everybody even I mean. >> who. >> Batista. >> Batista comes out boom Kurt Angle comes. out boom I mean it would be sweet if he. gave 47 attitude adjustments and then. >> one two three I'm getting OUT OF HERE. >> THE Batista entrance would be worth it. Jesse the body on the call as well it. doesn't get any bigger. >> do we know if that's real or not cuz. didn't we just see a report that he was. no long I would like to say as somebody. that got to work alongside Jesse the. body at Saturday night main event a few. different times times. What an honor it.

was to be talking to the body of the. governor and learning about him off air. and some of the stories were. I mean, you you get caught in one of those. combos. You have no idea where it's go. I I mean, I I didn't I don't think I. knew exactly what I was signing up for. Holy hell, Mr. Body, Mr. Governor, very. nice to meet you. I'm Pat. Oh, I know. who you are. >> Yeah. And then all of a sudden, it's. like, holy [ __ ] I know who you are, too. Do you ever think about And then. we're right into it. And uh it's hard to. get out of it because it is something. that you've never heard before. So, it. was an honor to get to meet him and work.

alongside of him. I have no idea what. the future looks. If he is on the call, great for Saturday Night Main Event. That's throwback to the past. If he's. not on the call, which is possible, uh I. know that Michael Cole will be. >> Yeah, >> this is Michael Cole's, you know. >> His dude, right? It's his goat. >> Yeah, they were road dogs together for a. while there, you know? So, like, and. Michael Cole also road dog. I mean, that. guy's been on the road for 27 years. basically the entirety of John Cena as. they John Cena rose to the top of the. business as a whole as Michael Cole was.

raising to the top of his particular. world within the profession. So I I. expect a goat performance by Michael. Cole on Saturday night and I expect John. Cena in the sendoff to be special and. Gunther he's the right guy for it. I. know a lot of people were saying there's. a lot of different names for it. I mean. there's a lot of different people for. it. Gunther. I don't think I've ever. seen him not do his [ __ ] right? He's. always been, you know, exactly what. you're getting from Guthther. >> Ray Hanner. >> Exactly. >> He's great athlete, too. Like can do.

everything. >> Move. He goes off the top. He's. gigantic. Obviously, he's punishing, but. he can move. You know, he can move for a. big guy. And I don't think there's ever. been like, oh, that was a bad match from. Gther. Oh, that was he did bad today. It's like Gunther always does his [ __ ]. Now, I was hoping I was going to catch. him on an off night, you know, cuz maybe. he didn't have respect for me or what. >> Sure. But that wasn't the case. He I. guess he took me pretty seriously. >> He knew. He's seen the tape. >> They have a countdown, too. >> Well, that's still That's That might.

have been what our countdown. >> Uh, sure. It makes sense. >> It probably would be, actually. >> Yeah. The Rivers. returns and being the wrong time is. perfect. >> I love that. >> That is perfect. >> You know, I spent so much time trying to. get it to look right and function. I. just forgot to actually check the time. >> You see, the countdown of the countdown. was the last thing because it did look. cool. >> Yes. Yeah, >> the placement was spectac. I mean, this.

is a perfect spot. Just boom. Look at my. little boy right here. You see this. clock right here? This clock is counting. down to a changing. >> of an era, a changing of a dynasty, a. passing of a torch from the Kansas City. Chiefs to the Indianapolis Colts. >> I'm sorry, I was under center. He's not. going to be under center. No, >> he's going to be right back here. He's. gonna have to get under center. >> if No. Yeah. If he gets under center, aren't they? Aren't they happy? He's. >> not When's he taking it under center? When's he have to do it? >> I mean, Phil line. Tyler Warren's down there. What if he. said he's going to.

>> I'm sorry. Does Phil Rivers respect. football? He's going to get under. center. >> So Aaron Rogers. >> under center. >> when. >> all the time. >> No, Phil Rivers. Little little different. story than Aaron Rogers. They're doing a. tush push with uh JT and T Tyler Warren, but instead of pushing him, they're just. bending him down and then actually. walking him back for his drop back. >> What do you mean? Like for every drop. back? >> Yeah. Well, only when he goes under. center just to help him bend and help. him move. >> Oh, so they're all going to like that. thing where all the bodies are. connected. You're saying it's going to. be like that? Yeah.

>> They're going to pick up his leg. >> Yeah. Here you go. >> Tie them together. >> So when I pick up this right leg, the. left leg picks up. >> Yes. Tyler Warren and JT are going to. help him. I want to let you know. yesterday maybe I was a little bit. turning towards the negative about it. because a lot of people were pointing. out a lot of things. Here we sit 74. hours 19 minutes and 54 seconds away. from the debut. I'm all in. After seeing. him throw the ball, after hearing him. talk, after listening to Josh DS on. Dons's to Business podcast say he could.

spin it. The guy could still spin it. He. knows everything. I'm all the way back. in. And uh not that I was ever all the. way out, but there were certainly some. points that were being made that were. hard to counter by others people that. were saying it wasn't going to go good. I'm all the way back. I didn't like. people putting the miles per hour on a. couple of throws. Okay. I don't think. those are accurate. >> That's fake. Yeah. >> And I don't know. >> Well, there was one particular account. that is. >> they are menaces. >> Yeah. See, that's underdog. And underdog. will do this to you. Underdog will dance.

on social media. >> What's normal then? Okay. Is 18 miles an. hour normal? Cuz obviously I've seen. people throw things 100 mph. So it's a. little tough to just see 18 mph when. I've seen balls go 105 mph out of a. hand. Not that that's what we need on. that particular pass. And Phil Rivers. doesn't care about speed. He just cares. about where it is and who's getting the. ball and then what's the placement of. that thing and all this [ __ ] right here. Okay. That's what Phil Rivers doing. Oh, Tyler Warren. >> Boom. >> Phil Rivers says, "Would you like a. [ __ ] gift? Here's one." Bang. Boom.

Josh down. I can't I can't wait till. Phil's first like angry timeout when the. play clock is running down or delay of. game that they get. >> Yeah. Chin show. We're gonna I'm excited. for him at the end when he has to do the. kneel down from shotgun like it's. college. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And he's going to be trying to talk [ __ ]. to people on the other side of the line. They're going to be like, "We can't hear. you. >> You're 18 feet away, dude. >> If I could get under center, I'd say. this to your face, but I can't.". >> They hands it off to somebody. They. kneel it.

I hope so. >> He looked like he could move though. He. did look like he It is a crazy story. though. Like the when Colin Kaepernick. was like, "I want to get back into. football. I want to get back into. football." We're like, "Cool, cool, cool. Good luck, good luck, good luck, good luck, luck." But then it was like. six years and he was like, "I want to. get back into football." My first take. was like, "Brother, I'm a punter and. I've been out of the game for like two. years. I I don't even know what my body. would do if I had to get back into. peak." That's not just UXFS. This is the NFL, you know, like.

especially at the quarterback position, it's like 5 years away from the elite. level of something. You would assume. that there's going to be some creeks and. cracks and some rust that's going to. happen. But you hear Phil Rivers talk, shoot, I've been calling this offense. all year. I actually know this thing. better than Shane. And do you know we. made it to the state finals. Is this. team going to Super Bowl without me. coming here? That's what I thought. So. maybe I'm actually better at this. offense than he is. He seems very. confident, >> very, very comfortable. obviously the. same exact person mentally and he talked. about his family in his press. conference. His younger kids obviously.

haven't really seen him. They've only. seen the videos and highlight packages. and say what's the deal? So I think he's. driven to have success because he's got. an entire new five kids, four kids that. really never seen him. >> ever. >> ever do it and let alone the grandbaby. that they're going to get a picture on. his. It's like I think he's driven to be. good. I think he feels very good and I. don't think they're doing this for any. other reason than hey why not? We we are. in this. We need to go do this. And it's. like this guy knows our offense. completely. Did you hear Cam got upset?

I didn't expect that. Cam said he. thought it was a I I didn't hear the. quote. I only saw the headline and I. massive respect for Cam Newton. You can. go back and check on the record. I am a. Cam Newton fan. Love his moxy. Love his. size. Love what he did in the NFL. He's. allowed to talk about football however. the [ __ ] he wants to talk about. football. It's his league. It's his. sport. He's one of them. So like that is. what he can do. But he said he was upset. that the Colts didn't call him. And it's. like I I week 15 I I think they were. just I didn't even think of Cam. Now. granted I thought of Cam before. >> because he knows the playbook because. just because his relationship with.

Stiken that's why they didn't call Cam. Like if Cam was in that system then it. probably would. >> Yeah. Cuz we don't have time for you to. learn here week 15. We we this is we. don't have any time. >> Got to go. >> It's whoever knows our [ __ ] because if. we go back to elementary level offense. against Seattle, we got no shot. I mean, you know, like, so. >> if you change the entire offense to fit. one guy, you got no shot cuz nobody else. knows what the hell they're doing. >> Yeah. So, I think the decision was. strictly a who knows our [ __ ] and then. who can execute it conversation first. That's why Sam Ellinger got to work out.

A couple of the other people got to work. out. We don't have a lot of time. We're. still trying to make a run at this thing. very much. We've invested a lot of money. and a lot of pieces in this roster. we. are still going to try to go. And then. they just it all goes down and then. there's a 44 year old down in Alabama. that's catching high school. Think he. could still do it? And then they look. online and there's some Tik Tok of Phil. Rivers throwing to his kid. Yep. Talking. on him. >> Mhm. >> And that's what we got. We got a. potential fairy tale Disney movie. happening and starting this weekend in.

74 hours, 15 minutes, and 13 seconds. >> Can't wait. >> So bummed. Game of the week. >> What's that called? What was that movie? the baseball movie where the old. >> Oh, the rookie. >> Is that Randy Quaid? >> That's Dennis Quaid. >> But you know that was. >> Dennis Quaid. Didn't he come back as. like a 60-year-old pitcher and make it. in the majors or something? >> Yeah, but remember the goddamn. speedometer on the street. >> Yeah. Said 64. >> Then he threw it past it and he walked. past it and. >> it blinks. 94. >> That's 96. So whatever it was, >> he missed that. So he was potentially. going to miss out on his dream. That's.

Phil Rivers in the backyard. >> Mhm. Hopefully. >> 14 points is way too many. >> Biggest spread of the weekend. I don't. love that. >> Colts are gonna win. >> I think the offense gonna be better. >> Do you? >> Yes. I'm dead serious. >> Yeah, we we put a Colts JMU moneyline. parlay and feel so good about it. >> Yep. >> I will buy a Philip Rivers jersey if the. Colts win. >> Yes. >> You're invested. Why? >> Uh because boy, if the Packers want to. get that number one seed, I'm just kind. of looking ahead here. if the Colts.

could somehow beat the Seahawks and the. Seahawks could beat the Rams and put the. Packers in a pretty good position to uh. go hunting for that number one seed. So, I I I don't just want the Colts to win. this weekend. Nay, I need the Colts to. win this weekend. >> So, you're on Old Man Rivers. >> big time. Hell yeah. >> And Tone, what were you saying? I didn't. like the way you said it earlier, but I. do appreciate that you're almost kind of. positive about the situation. >> I was just I am very positive about the. situation. I was just saying that who's. a semi semi-finalist for the Hall of. Fame this year? >> Philip Rivers. >> Philip Rivers. So, like one of the best.

quarterbacks of all time, correct? >> Absolutely. >> We've seen it. He could still sling it. He knows the offense. Danny Dimes, we. love him. He was great this season, but. he was never Philip Rivers, so there's a. chance the offense is better. >> Danny Dimes, we appreciate you. We. appreciate you. But when we signed Danny. Dimes, to your point, he was never going. to be a semi-finalist for a Hall of. Fame. Now, he's currently in the middle. of his prime and had has been playing. football. and uh you know, we've seen him.

>> Yeah. But we've also we've also seen. what Phil's done off the field. We know. his body still works. >> Yeah. Who says Phil doesn't get a. three-year deal? >> There's a chance. Honestly, maybe. catches up with Bland. Now, if we do. lose this weekend, and I don't know if. Gadell is taking this into. consideration. I didn't know they had. their Zoom winter meetings. I proposed a. clause to him yesterday. I wrote a. formal letter. You see it deer at the. top. And then I even sign off with a. comma, okay? With an a space. This is a. formal letter, I think, if you were to.

look at it. I'd like to propose a week. 15 clause for any team that has a. grandfather playing quarterback that. hasn't played football in 5 years that. states a loss will not be held against. the team's overall record and when. determining the playoff picture or. division title hood. I think that's. fair. >> Yeah, I don't think a win should count. either for the uh Seahawks. Well, so on. that note, due to how special of a. moment it is in the history of humanity, the game's outcome should count as a win. for that particular team, regardless of. the final scores. >> So, I think that would kind of, and this.

is once again, thank you for your. consideration. This is from an NFL fan. who just wants the best for the game, no. matter who would benefit from it. immediately. >> I don't see anyone who would have any. problem with that. >> Yeah, people were saying, a lot of. people were saying like, I'm saying that. because that's the situation we have and. it will never happen again. So, there's. no reason. But in my eyes, like, who. knows who's going to be in this position. going forward with the way the game is. and with the way science is and. technology and, you know, the ability to. have kids, I guess, for kids to have. kids. People do been doing that forever. So, I'm just saying we should maybe put. this in ahead of time because we don't.

want these grandfathers, these fairy. tale stories to always come back as a. negative one for the good of the game, for the good of the league. AJ, we'd. like that to be a win regardless of the. score, right, AJ? >> Uh, yeah, of course. I'm sure. commissioner will change the rules. instantly. But then what do you are you. going to propose another clause next. week? I would assume. >> No, this is just for week 15. >> This is just this week. Okay. >> I mean that's. >> if they win it doesn't count either. If. they win it's just nothing. >> No. No. Definitely a win. I'm just. saying the loss should be counted as. we're always winning. That that is. basically what I'm saying. We're playing. a grandfather who has not played in five.

years. That's good for the league for. people to think I could play. >> in the NFL. >> That's a. Oh my god. But it's a dream all of a. sudden. I want to be like Phil Rivers. Like the league needs that. We need more. good stores. We need more of that type. of stuff happening. So if he comes back. and just and we lose, like that's not. good for that doesn't count. >> So I just think the commission should. think about this being like an. exhibition almost and uh give us the. win. Now on that note, fully confident,

fully confident that we're going to be. just for other teams. I just wanted to. pitch that for other teams, AJ, not for. us this week. I mean, go look at what. Luan Rumo's done to Sam Donald. >> I have not. Is that something we need to. look into? >> I don't know. Maybe. >> Let's go. Let's go look. >> Let's do a little homework for some. >> Uh, speaking of homework, >> women's college basketball has become. something that is on our radar. Oh boy. >> Because Audi is unstoppable. She goes. for another 30-point game in the uh. Saihawk game. Yep. Which is obviously.

Iowa versus Iowa State. Iowa State has. been beating Iowa in most things as of. late. And Audi, I don't think she's. losing to anybody, let alone Iowa, where. she herself said after the game that. while she was shooting a free throw in. this run, she got emotional because her. dad, who passed away from Iowa, would. have loved the fact that she was playing. in this game. Ty, I know you're an Iowa. Hawkeye. Audi is special. Absolutely. unguardable, unstoppable, and seems like.

she's a joy. She seems to be very very. pleasant for her team. >> Yeah, she's an absolute dog. And uh. while yes, I did go to Iowa and am an. Iowa fan, she's still homegrown, she's. from the state, so I love anytime an Ian. puts on whether that is for Iowa or Iowa. State and that I mean that's no. [ __ ] You know, not only is she. unbelievable, Hilton Magic is the real. deal. you play at Hilton for basketball, Iowa State. The men play tonight, Iowa, Iowa State, and uh the men. So, not not.

only are the women unbelievable and have. a legit chance to maybe win a national. championship this year, uh Iowa State. men's team is also one of the best teams. in the nation. And that that arena is a. special special place and very difficult. to play. >> She has a Shaq vibe. >> She does. >> just like dominant, you know, just. absolutely dominating of a game. And. obviously people take shots at her. She's a superstar that looks different. than everybody else that plays in it. I. would like to let her know I [ __ ]. love the way she sits in the paint and. just goes for it and continues the ball. and has a positive attitude through it.

all and dominates. I think she's. special. I appreciate her contributions. to sports and sports media world for us. to talk about. Anytime we can dive into. another sport or another league, it's a. good thing. She has captivated us and. certainly captivated me. And uh she. knows we exist, which is good. She sent. us an autograph jersey. That's right. >> We love Audi. You like women's hoops. more than people would uh ever really. realize, I think. >> Yeah, absolutely. And that was the other. thing from watching the game. Like Audi. does get a lot of the headlines because. she has all these historic numbers with. another girl on the team, Addie. It's.

kind of Audi and Addie. They're the. front court, if you will. Um she's. unbelievable. And just like the sport as. a whole is growing so much. Like getting. to go to, you know, season tickets for. the Fever with Caitlyn Clark was really. cool. But then just learning about. everybody else who's in the game. Like. Juju Watkins for USC, she's out for the. entire year, but USC has another girl. that's going bananas this season. Like. it is cool. Just the more sport and the. bigger everything gets, the better it is. for, you know, everybody. Downtown Indie.

is legitimately changing before our eyes. because of the fever. Like they are. changing the landscape of the city to. add on for the Fever practice facility, for a lot of other things that just. benefits everybody in the city. And it. does feel as though that effect will. carry over to some of the other places. that these women's teams are. >> Yeah, Audi might be doing the same damn. thing wherever she has to. Uh she has. 276 points in 245 minutes this season. She's on pace to be the second D1 men's. or women's NBA or WNBA player this.

century to average at least one point. per minute in a single campaign, joining. the 76ers, Joel MB. Now that's a problem. for everybody else, not for us. Congrats, Audi. Keep it going. >> Keep going. Audi. Audi and Addie. >> Yeah. >> Over there at Iowa State. >> The other girls very good as well. >> Oh no. >> I mean, Hawks lost by five at Hilton, so. let let's not, you know, sound the. alarms and act like, you know, the sky's. falling. >> What What happened in football?

>> It's their first loss of the season. Uh, well, you know, I've actually been. waiting to kind of say this, but um, you. know, if you if you've been on my. Twitter, basically anything that comes. out about Matt Campbell, I've kind of. just been and I and I do actually. believe it, but this guy's a class act. This guy's all class. >> A lot of Matt Campbell, there have been. And, you know, I just, it's just. hilarious. Absolutely hilarious that. this whole Penn State thing is. happening. and we're wondering who the. what what is gonna go and then out of. nowhere Iowa State's program just gets.

gutted because of it. I I mean it just. you know it couldn't have worked out. better. I do love Matt. >> He's a he's a he's a terrible person. That was. >> I'm not I'm not. >> The other day I was like uh I think it. was yesterday or two days ago to Ty. I'm. like Matt Campbell what a great hire for. Penn like actually what a great hire for. Penn State. And Z goes Yeah. And who. would have thought in this whole Penn. State thing. >> Iowa State's program would be the only. one that would really end up suffering. totally from it. Yeah, >> that was Tai's like first reaction. whenever I talked about it. And then you. think about it, it's like during the. Matt Campbell Iowa State run, like real.

program, real. >> they were legit, this is not just me. being an Iowa grad, like they were one. of the worst division one college. football teams for a long time. Like. really [ __ ] bad. And then he got. there and completely changed everything. Went to two Big 12 championship games. They went to a BCS bowl. Like he is an. unbelievable coach. So, I think that is. also why even Iowa State fans um. understood that like this guy got an. opportunity. He's he he said in his.

opening press conference, I think like. his grandparents were massive Penn State. fans. I think he has family that went to. Penn State. Like he has a lineage. connected to that and like he really. didn't owe Iowa State anything. He gave. them the best 11 years in their. program's history and he kind of you. like he he deserved the opportunity to. go somewhere bigger. who has a bigger. budget and and all that kind of stuff. And I'm excited to see what he does at. P. >> Perfect hire. >> Yes. >> Like actually a perfect hire. I think. even if they would have hired him, which.

nobody thought was possible. Nobody. thought he was ever going to leave. because to Tai's point in his first. tweet there, guy's a god in as if they. would have hired him week five after. they or week six, whenever they was. after they fired James Franklin, I think. everybody would have been like, >> "That's a good hire. That's a really. good hire." So for them to go through. the entire song and dance and then end. up with Matt Campbell, it's like they. ended up somehow. >> going through it all and ended up in. like the perfect spot. And for Matt. Campbell, he's got an athletic director. that took a big swing, got buried.

publicly by a lot of people who now. would like to see you have the most. amount of success. So they are going to. line that whole thing up to go on a run. And we all believe Matt Campbell can win. the big one, right? >> Yeah. He I mean he has done more with. less. I I don't think there's any. arguing that like and yeah, I mean there. there's a chance. We'll see which Yeah, I believe Rockco Beck does have another. year of eligibility. I'm pretty sure. he's a red shirt junior. So that is. obviously the but but like look at Iowa. State's recruiting class this year. Like.

they're unbelievable. I think they they. had the 50th ranked recruit. Like that. is what they do. They go get two star. guys from Nebraska and like the. surrounding parts of Iowa and he. develops them and turns them into NFL. guys. Like that's that's what he does. >> He's a junior. Yeah. He has Rockco. Becker. And so if Matt Campbell is a. He's 22 years old, so not really. Wow. We've been seeing him a long time. I bet. we've been seeing Rock started as a. freshman. >> His dad, Anthony Beck, West Virginia. legend. He's in a West Virginia Hall of.

Fame. He was played for the Jets. He was. a coach in the XFL. Anthony Beck is a. stud. Paison, absolute legend. Rocco has. been great for Iowa State. And the fact. that he has another year now. I'm not. saying he's going to leave the Cyclones, okay? Even though probably. >> he's not going to he's leaving the. Cyclones. >> Don't sleep on Jimmy Rogers. He might. keep him there. >> But forget all that. Matt Campbell. thinking to himself like what I could do. at Penn State. Think about Roco Beck at. Penn State. Like he's going to have four. stars, right? Playing wide receiver. We. would assume five stars. Playing wide.

receiver, running backs, he'll be able. to get to. It's like Roco Beck is the. one who's ready for the moment. Now it's. only one year. You know, this would be. only a one-year run, but it's like Rocco. would be a great quarterback in the Big. 10 like that. So, when you talk about. Penn State going through [ __ ] and ended. up in sugar, it's like not only do you. seemingly potentially because they have. the funds and the connection with the. guy to be able to get a top five. quarterback in the country, but now you. got a coach that is a dog. And it's. like, is Penn State back? Especially. with what's going on with Michigan right. now, AJ. So, you know, it's uh.

>> Penn State's they're it's looking like. they they have all the pieces in place. Yes. To be back and to to to make it. happen. But yeah, it's up to it's up to. the new coach. Like, can he come in and. instill what he did at Iowa State? You. would think so. >> Two weeks ago, Penn State sucks. >> Laughing stock. >> This place, what a joke. >> Embarrassing. >> What? Yeah. Embarrassing. Everything. like that. You are now mid-tier Big 10, maybe even bottom of Big 10 because. you're losing all your recruits. You're. lo your players are posting. should have.

you didn't know what you had till was. gone with the last head coach that. player potentially a part of the whole. thing but nonetheless the the thought of. where Penn State was three weeks ago. verse where it is now it's like college. football is insane on that note. Ohio State. Buckeye legend you. you saw what was happening yesterday on. the internet crazy night on the internet. I mean it was that was one of the. wildest. >> keeps going just keeps He's going home. >> Yeah, it was LA. Well, I assume in your.

algo because you're in Ohio, I assume X. says, "This guy's in Ohio. We need to. feed him everything that's happening up. there in Michigan." But last night was. insanity. The for you tab on X, every. scroll was either some new AI photo, maybe a police report, maybe a new. reporter, maybe a journalist who might. know something. I actually am a. journalist, but I don't report on. football. I actually report on this. thing, but I have this source that says. this that has 700,000 views right now.

Is that real? Is that not real? It was. chaotic last night because it's a crazy. story where, you know, he gets fired. Sher Moore gets fired for cause from the. University of Michigan as their football. coach because of an affair with uh a. staffer. Okay. So, he's in a position of. power. He abused that and obviously you. can't do that. That's part of the. contract for cause. You're gone. Then we. hear he's been arrested. It's like no. way he's been he's been arrested for. this. It has to be much more than just. having an affair with a staffer for him.

to be arrested. And then like craziness. starts coming out. Accusations of why he. got arrested starts coming out. And then. Pete Tamill told us this morning uh off. the police report it was an alleged. assault. He was being uh held but he. wasn't officially charged with anything. They were waiting to potentially file. any charges to investigate to see what. it was. Now, we know that tomorrow there. will be an arraignment where we will. know more information. So, Chiron Moore. will remain in custody until then. So,

that's kind of where we're at right now. AJ, as an Ohio State Buckeye fan, obviously this was your feed all night. because Ohio State Michigan is what it. is. But, this is a wild thing to happen. at this stage of the college football. season. We talked about Penn State. hiring late. Now, Michigan's in the game. late. Signing day already happened. They. all can bounce. Bryce Underwood has. eliminated everything Michigan-wise from. his social media. It's like this could. be a disaster. Not It is obviously not. great. But you're talking about for the.

future of the program, we're talking. about devastation potentially here, AJ. Hawk. >> Yeah. That's why I think Michigan's. going to have to they're going to have. to act quickly and find a way to bring a. big name in or make a big splash higher. to try to shore up some of those. recruits and figure out what you're. going to do because Yeah. Like just. think a couple days ago for Chiron Moore. compared to now. Like you look around. like gez what what has happened in such. a short span, especially if this guy's. in jail and all the alleged situations. that happened. Like I I wonder how heavy. it weighed on his mind knowing like.

what's the endgame to this? Like if you. knew all this stuff's going on, did he. think he could find a way? You got to. win a lot of games if you want to figure. stuff like this out. >> Yeah. And you're right. I mean, you talk. about conscious all the time, you know? There's uh I always wonder that with. some folks. I'm like, how are you able. to perform with all that going on? because it's such a hard thing to be. able to balance everything. Pete Daml. told us earlier that there was an. investigation from an anonymous tip into. this particular relationship that Chiron. Moore was a part of. The Michigan the. University of Michigan did an.

investigation. It came back saying that. everything was above board and good and. then within the last couple days they. learned more information and everything. kind of led bum bum bum bum bum quickly. So I wonder if after said first. investigation you're like all right. we're good. every everybody said. everything's good and then you move. forward and then all of a sudden boom. boom boom boom everything kind of that's. crazy. Sorry to everybody that is a. victim in this situation which there are. a lot because this is not fun but in the. sports world this is a very relevant. conversation like a very very this is. one of the most prominent schools in.

college football. one of the biggest. businesses on earth all of a sudden has. a major dynamic shift because of uh. off-field issues that are obviously very. serious. >> and like the victims of course ve very. sorry but there are a lot of people that. who aren't technically victims in this. situation that are effective or that are. affected rather like five the number one. running back in the country and again. this is two separate things like serious. situation in a sport a game but futures. in a game matter a lot savvy on hitters.

the number one running back in the. entire country and he committed to. Michigan a week ago. Like we had Chris. Henry Jr. on the program last week and. he committed to Ohio State. That is a. massive moment in these kids' lives and. that is now affected. Now obviously you. know with the that rule mentioned when a. new coach is hired you get five days. after where you can transfer. But does. that even does that account for incoming. freshmen that aren't technically I think. so. >> Okay. Okay. Good. But like that that's. just kind of the weight of everything. Like massive massive decisions in these.

high school kids' lives. >> Incoming freshman can hit the transfer. portal. >> Well, and also that like Pete said how. like the staff was just blindsided. Like. none of these guys knew knew. So like. you have a bunch of like coaches. >> Yeah. Why was everybody acting like. everybody knew that was kind of like the. overall last night? Everybody was like. everybody knows this. Everybody knew. this was happening. It was like I was. just there. I I Nobody told me. And I. feel like I pepper Pete a lot on like. Yeah. Hey Pete, what what even not just. on our show, but like you I've never.

been around a human like Pete Hamill. before. Okay, me that's a flaw I guess. This is one of the biggest robot nerds, but who also loves ball humans that I've. ever been around. I've I've never had. the opportunity to be around this human. on a regular basis. It has been fun for. me to learn about said types of humans, you know, and how they respond, pressure, adversity, response, work. ethic, all that [ __ ] It's been fun to. learn about the authority Pete Daml, but. I feel like I pepper him a lot with. information that I already know from the. source that he's trying to get so I can.

hear what he knows so that I'm know what. I'm allowed to say or [ __ ] that I think. is pretty prevalent to a conversation. >> It didn't we were just up there. I mean, we're literally just up there. I I there. was So, you got all those guys who a. bunch of those guys are going to lose. their jobs. a bunch of support staff. people are going to lose their jobs. because you're bringing in, you know, if. they if they get someone like Kaylin. Dbor or whoever, like he's bringing in. all all his guys, all his assistants, all his people that he worked with. Like, so you have a bunch of people who. probably expected like, oh, you know, I'll be at Michigan here for the next 3.

to 5 years and then we'll see just. getting the rug completely pulled out. from under him and now it's scrambling. for them, too. Like, what am I going to. do next? If you have a family, like how. at this point in the season, am I going. to be able to go find another job for. next year? Like, what what do I do now? And like Kayn Dbor is the perfect hire. Like let's talk about the other aspect. of it where nobody wants to go to. Michigan right now. And what happens if. the guy that comes in or if they hire. from within and everything just goes to. [ __ ] Like okay, let let alone did the. current place you're at go to [ __ ] But.

now I'm the coach on a team that's. terrible. Like what are my opportunities. going forward after all of this happens? Like the fallout is just insane. >> Kaylin Dbor answered at the SEC. Championship about the Penn State. interest that was alleged. He said, "I. never talked. They never talked. I love. being here. I love part of the grind.". Said, "No." And there was a lot of. people at Alabama like, "Why didn't he. address the Penn State? Why don't you. address the Penn State?" I think from. reading the tweets from the video from a. couple weeks back. And then he finally. he was like, "Thank you for asking me. about that. I would like to say this. This is how I feel." His name being in.

the Penn State thing was interesting. though. >> Very much so. >> It was like Kaylin Debor. supposed to be in the South. Is that. what people were saying? Just like the. Brian Kelly thing. >> Like Brian Kelly wasn't supposed to be. in the South. Are they saying about Kay? He's got Alabama in the [ __ ]. playoffs. >> Yeah. >> I don't I don't And it But maybe Kalin. is like, I want to get better. >> Who they hired? >> Yeah. Weren't they the first team ever. to beat five ranked teams in five. straight weeks? >> Yeah. I don't [ __ ] It It feels like. he has his guys in there now, man. He's. been accepted into the Alabama. community. >> You know, I feel. >> Michigan is one of those jobs though.

>> Yes, true. >> Alabama is though, too. >> It definitely is. But I've always. thought with him too is like. >> if you're a competitor, that's one. But. like he's never going to do what Sabin's. done. like he's living in Sabin's. shadow. No m Yeah, exactly. No matter. what for the entire time he's there. If. he wins five national titles, >> he still isn't living up to Sabin. Now. granted, he'll be a legend in his own. right, but like it just at a certain. point is it like, hey, no matter what I. do, it's never going to be enough. And. Michigan is a as blue of a blood of a.

program as there is in the country. >> I think they got 117,000. I mean, everything that you possibly need. but. his name was up with the Penn State. conversation and he said there was no. links and obviously the coaches are not. supposed to be linked. That's what you. have agents for to do it. So that means. Penn State probably was making a run at. him just making an offer just a feeler. I assume all those coaches that got. feelers from Penn State at places are. going to get feelers from Michigan as. well outside of Signetti Rule. >> He might get a feeler too. >> Rule, >> but I mean you're in the playoffs when. Michigan's got to hire somebody somewhat.

soon, don't you think? >> Yeah. What if it's Biff? >> They have to they. Whoa. Whoa. >> What? >> You said maybe. >> No. Their first sound was oh, like an. excited. >> It almost sound like you were kind of. >> as an Ohio State guy, >> but the portal opens on the second. So, like you would hope they would want. someone by the second, which is a couple. weeks away. >> Also, you need to put the fire out right. now. Yes. >> Yeah. And the thing Ty brought up to. like, okay, let's say they hire someone. in a week and then next week all their.

guys, well, [ __ ] that. I'm transferring. and then they only have 30 guys for the. bowl game. >> Six and a half right now. 6 and a half. Texas is favored by. >> Oh, >> arch. Arch. All of them are playing. >> Mhm. >> Down there in Texas. >> Except for probably the guys that are. going to the NFL. >> Yeah. But they got. >> change, right? >> Young team. >> It was four and a half moved to six and. a half. It was my first question to. Tone. I'm like, what's the immediate. this morning? Hey, what's the line for. this their bowl game or whatever? They're playing Texas, right? Yeah.

That's got to be like 20. Uh, six and a. half. Like, what? >> Excuse me. >> What do we Are you ever playing, right? Yeah. >> Seven. No. >> Move the seven. I think a lot of people. are probably seeing what we're saying. This one might get taken off the board. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> This one might get taken off the board. What happens if I get in early? Just. send a money back if it gets taken off. the board, >> I believe. So, yeah. I mean, each book. is different and you have to read all. the fine print if you really want to. know. But. >> Bruce just shook his head. No. What do. you think, Bruce? >> I think if you get in at six and a half, even if they pull the line temporarily, you're you're in there. >> No. No. He means pull the pull the game.

completely. >> and never put it back up. >> No, they will void. >> What if they just pull the game though? Don't Haven't they done that before? They've just pulled games. >> Yeah, but they would if the game goes on. like if Michigan does play Texas at they. they will put the line back up. It'll. just be at 20 or. >> Okay. So, I'd still be able to keep six. and a half. >> I don't know. That's. >> I I think so. And then your cash out. before the game even starts just goes. like to the moon. >> Six and a half feels great. Seven, I. guess, is what it is now. still. >> that just feels crazy to me. I I I.

especially with. >> how hard it is to win a football game, you know. >> Mhm. >> With everything going on, how. >> this is so much worse than Penn State, like you mentioned, the last 14 days. before Matt Gamble. >> transfer thing is two days after that. The transfer portal was two days after. that. So, the amount of money. conversations that are happening right. now with all them, I'm sure they're. training for this cheesit bull. >> Yeah. >> Hard. What are you saying to what are. you saying to future recruits? Like what. are you saying to them? How do you make.

them feel? >> You just got to get you got to stop the. bleeding. >> Like you're telling like I don't know. just because it is NIL and it's all. different. But like it is very hard to. imagine that the number one running back. in the country who's going into his. freshman year next year at Michigan. >> hasn't heard from some other school that. was recruiting him. Matt Campbell. perhaps a Penn State who is maybe a more. desperate team right now especially in. recruiting and that's all they're think. I don't know it's just it's insane. I. mean, you you'd imagine that at this. point they're praying to God that.

Alabama gets kind of embarrassed in the. first round by Oklahoma and then they. can just put the full court press on. Dbor. >> and say then you can get hopefully. Dbor's recruits. >> Exactly. >> From the. >> not to mention a couple guys who maybe. will transfer from Alabama to M. Michigan. You know, >> Alabama would be in a terrible spot. then. >> Big time. >> Then Sabin's in the building still. I. saw Were you the one that tweeted that. tone last night about Kayn Deborah maybe. getting plucked to Michigan? And then. who's in the building? Who's the interim. coach? Oh, look who's winning an eighth. national championship potentially. Coach.

Sabin. >> Yeah. Uh people weren't a lot of people. weren't happy about that. >> Why? >> They didn't they didn't love that I AI. Nick Sabin. >> Oh, >> that was AI. >> Yeah, I didn't know that. I thought he. took that to Hall. >> I thought that was just Santa Claus. >> Looks pretty sweet. >> Does it? >> He's He's still I got to watch one of. those games with him. Vandy, I think I. got to watch uh Vandy play against him. Alabama, maybe tennis. Vandy. Wow. This. season really all kind of goes together. >> I think it was Vandy. >> He's still every play. I mean, they.

scored a touchdown. He stood up, fixed. his hands, didn't even know where to. look, did one of these, and then he just. turned back around. The whole stadium's. looking at him. Then he sat back down. It's like, "Oh, this guy." Didn't even. say anything. I'm s I'm standing right. behind Gumpy. I think you were right. next to me, right? Yeah. >> Me and Gumpy are standing there's a He's. like There's three rows of seats and. then there's one of those bars. >> We're standing at bar. He's second row. Miss Terry's first seat on the outside. That was kind of a rotating seat. Come. sit, talk to coach saving the entire. thing. But it is Miss Terry's seat. Then.

it was coach Sabin. I think Reese was. right here and then somebody and we're. kind of stand back here because you know. it was pretty good. There was a good. set. They had a great setup for us. I. will say the sabins always deliver every. single time which is why he's a goat. She's a goat. They are goats. You get. it? But every single play he was living. and dying with having a conversation. with him. Yeah. Right. He's [ __ ]. >> coach. What do you think about that? Huh? >> Yeah. God, I don't like it. Yeah. Yeah, I. think so. That [ __ ] doesn't have the. headset on, but he might as well. I. mean, he is still he's in the building.

every single day. And whenever he says. he'll slip up every once in a while and. say, "We got to be able.". >> Yep. >> Alabama's got to be able to. It's like. he's still very much and I think that's. a cool thing that he has done. >> for Dbor by the way. He's done a lot of. that for Dbor like, "Hey, I will support. the hell out of you. I'm not going to. try to make your job as hard as it. already is." So if the boore was to. leave and it was a lang kiff and old. miss situation. it does feel like there is a guy that. just said all right. >> he's in there.

>> I don't see why you would though like. >> Dbor like why yeah why would. >> I don't Dbor's already put his culture. in they like him I think at this point. now granted he loses to Oklahoma by [ __ ]. I thought he would get loud all. offseason but it's like he had to work. his ass off to get to this point where. he's like. >> kind of in there. >> like welcomed Yeah. like a like an. Alabama, you know, like like going up to. Michigan, you're just I don't know. >> Got to do it again. >> Yeah. Got to do it again in a much. shorter. >> quicker time. They don't like don't they. they don't have a president right in. their AD. They don't know what the. situation is. Like they don't know.

anything going on. >> That's why May and maybe maybe you have. to just go the NFL route cuz like Pete. said like you know Elijah Drinkfist it's. like listen nothing against that guy. like he will get [ __ ] chewed up and. spit out at Michigan especially with all. the stuff that's happening. and they're. very need a Michigan man. If you get a. guy, I mean, we saw the rich route. If. you get a they hire a guy who's not a. Michigan man and he doesn't do well, [ __ ] this guy. Get him out of here. So. maybe it is like, hey, what's John. Gruden right doing right now? Or what's. Brian D? >> So Portoy obviously a very important.

alumni there in Michigan. I think he's. given everything. He's obviously. employed Gruden. So he has a great. relationship with Gruden. We've been. told numerous times by John Gruden, not. only to us, but also to uh the public, like I'm preparing to coach, man. That's. literally what I do all day, every day. And anytime I hear him speak, I think to. myself as a high schooler, college kid, or now. And it's like, >> I'd run with that guy right there. And. And he's certified. And he's certified. The [ __ ] guy is is actually. certified. So that's why I didn't fully.

understand why a lot of teams were like. pressing for Gruden. Like, why isn't. Florida pressing for GR? Yeah. >> Why Why isn't I was confused by it, but. hey, they got it right. The guy's got. two hats on now. You know, he took two. lanes. >> Yeah, that's right. But John Gruden is. still making magic on the internet, which we are grateful for. But it's like. I don't know why his name wasn't brought. up more. Is Michigan the right spot for. him? Who knows? They have all the. facilities. They have everything you. possibly need. It may be. Maybe that is. >> I hadn't heard about drink until Pete. brought it up because he's a southern. guy. He's been in the SEC majority of. his career. So I don't know if like that. was a thing, but like Jed Fish kind of. makes sense because he was at Arizona,

turned that program around, took over. Washington after DBR left and got them. back to what where they nine win season. this year. There's a there's another. name floating around out there and it's. kind of similar to Matt Campbell because. he's done a good job at a place where. they haven't always been good and that's. our guy. That's our guy PJ Fleck. >> Really? Minnesota. >> Would he be considered a Michigan man? They get sick of his uh. >> No, they would not get sick of his. I'm. sorry. >> You don't think Ty? >> What about. >> No, Michigan's not [ __ ] hiring PJ. Fletch. >> Well, he started up there in Michigan.

>> Western Michigan. See, >> what about Chim Kelly? >> He just interviewed for the offensive. coaching role at Georgia Tech. >> Georgia Tech. Clark Lee was a name that. Pete brought up. >> That would be. >> I still think Manny Diaz. >> I think mentor, man. I do. >> Yeah, mentor would make sense. >> Why would mentor do it? That's the. >> head coach head coach in the NFL, >> man. His show clause just ended. Like. he's already. >> and they can't afford like the Chargers. are going to the playoffs. We just. talked about the whole like the timeline.

like they can't afford to wait until the. charters get eliminated from the. playoffs to hire someone. >> We think he'd be good as the head coach. of Michigan. We would like that to be. known. We just don't know if that would. even be something that he would. especially he left with. >> How Yeah. How do they feel? How does. that staff that you know got all those. sanctions that from that feel about. >> Yeah. And how does Michigan feel about. that staff especially this entire. >> like if they want to get away from it? >> Kevin Bowen just posted a video from. Colts practice. Put the clock up. Put the clock up. Put.

the clock up. Please. Please. Please. Please. >> You're good. Pat and go session. >> Don't you worry about what session it. is. Please don't you worry about it's in. the group text. Bruce, if you could. please find it in the group text. It is. uh boom. Full screen on that thing. Thank you, Kevin Bone. We appreciate. your morning show host here. >> That's I don't think that was him. >> I hope not. >> I don't think that was him. Definitely. not him. >> He's not 17 in there. >> That's him right there. Boom. There he. is. Yeah. Yeah. That was over the. linebacker. Did you see that? A layered throw as they say, right?

>> Yeah. Right over AJ's stupid hands. >> You're right. >> Did you look at him getting around the. edge, too? That's Is that Freeny? >> The sound effects. >> Was that Freeny moving on him? >> Yeah, I think it might be. >> Might have been Matthysse. I'm not 100%. sure. >> It's going to be awesome. Honestly, I. can't wait to watch the Colts game. >> So pumped. >> Hey, he looks good. He is moving. >> Looks great. Look how quick his release. is. Obviously, that's Phil. >> Thank you, Kevin Bone, for that. And. that Pause, please. Pause. Pause. Please. That's what it's all about right there. >> Character. >> Bingo.

>> What's your character. >> exactly? >> We know who Phil Rivers is. He's a dog. >> And in 73 hours, 42 minutes, and 35. seconds, he's going to showcase that to. the entire world. Once again, >> speaking of characters, if Wasowski was. on the field for Phil. >> Oh, game over. >> I think we'd think Sully or Wasowski at. this point. >> So, Sull's locked up. Sull's locked up. You can't get him. But. >> signed a five-year deal with Chargers. We'll see if Howie nuts up. >> How much is Holly getting paid? >> Yeah. 380 guaranteed. >> million.

>> 520 overall. Uh, excuse me. 530 over. >> Oh, >> yeah. But the 530 is not real. It's a. three the guaranteed money always with. these contracts is with the one that. we're really looking at. >> Yeah, but the incentive just after one. game. I mean, he's a quarter of the way. there on his incentives. Two touchdowns, two interceptions, two fumble fours, two. fumble recover, >> bunch of sacks. >> Yeah. So, >> all right. All right, we'll take. Wazowski, I guess, if we can get him. >> Wasowski is a good player. You'll be. You'll be happy with him. >> Let's make some picks for tonight's. game. Let's get the hell out of here. AJ. NFC South on Amazon Prime. Falcons,

Bucks, Kirk Baker, Mike Evans is back. Drake London is out. Raheem Morris is. obviously feeling the heat around him in. Atlanta. They're four and nine taking on. a team that's still trying to win the. NFC South. Fresh off a losses both of. these teams. AJ, who do you like? How do. you like it? Man, I know as coach Mike, we heard him say, it's law of points in. division, but um I like the Tampa Bay. Buccaneers. I like Baker Mayfield and. what they're doing. Obviously, Mike. Evans coming back. Let's go Bucks. I.

think they win and they cover this. >> I agree. Uh I'll ride with you into. tomorrow. And I won't be live from. anywhere tomorrow. I'll be right here. I'm so thankful. So pumped to be here. >> John Cena. >> John Cena will be right here. >> Right here. >> You can't He's here now. He's waiting. Mhm. >> We'll see you tomorrow. >> See you. >> All right. Be your friend. Tell a friend. something nice. It might change your. life. We're in this thing together. Team. on me. Team on three. 1 2 3.

>> Goodbye.