The Pat McAfee Show Live From The NFL Draft | Wednesday April 22nd 2026

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Hello, beautiful people. And welcome to beautiful, I mean, absolutely glorious Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The home of tomorrow. night's draft, and our show is live. RIGHT NOW. FOOTBALL. IT'S MAGICAL. FOOTBALL IS CELEBRATING. ITS next generation of greatness. tomorrow night in this beautiful city, and I was very fortunate and lucky to. grow up in these hills of Pittsburgh, and I'll tell you the weather that has. been forecasted not only since yesterday.

where we had a full Kennywood day. We. will certainly talk about that in a. matter of moments today, tomorrow, Friday, into the weekend is superb. The. vibes are immaculate, and what's about. to happen tomorrow night is Roger. Goodell is going to list off names that. will potentially be launching themselves. into a Hall of Fame like conversation or. career. Obviously, NFL careers are very. difficult. There's going to be a lot of. guys who are asked that are drafted. tomorrow night in the NFL. Then there's. going to be a couple guys that are going. to surprise some people, and then.

there's going to be a story that's going. to come from tomorrow night from this. parking lot right here, the Gold Lot. outside of Acrisure Stadium. If you're a. Yinzer, you understand that obviously. this parking lot is home to a lot of. festivities before Steelers games, before Pirates games, >> Why? after Pirates games, >> Why? after Steelers games. >> Why? I had a friend that was pronounced dead. in this parking lot after chugging a. bottle of vodka. Then he was taken to a. hospital promptly here in Pittsburgh and. was resuscitated. I watched a guy ask a.

lady, very intoxicated, if she was. pregnant when she was actually just a. fatso. Right here. >> [laughter]. >> Right here in this parking lot right. back here. I've seen a guy with a. fishing net, okay? Okay. That he was. taking into PNC Park, Okay. catching a. Natty Light. from 75 yd away. >> Okay. Nice. Problem goes right through net, explodes. off ground, >> Ooh. hits car, okay? I've seen this. happen. The Gold Lot is home to great. times. The Gold Lot is home to a lot of.

chaos, and tomorrow night the Gold Lot. is home to dreams coming true. I do. believe because the weather is so. awesome that the city is going to show. up. There have been a lot of talk about. Yinzer's maybe saying, "Ah, that's too. much work." Yeah, I was supposed to get. that time. two lanes in, two lanes out, 700,000 people. Yeah, right. Can't get. down there for a Pirates game. There's. 13,000 people in PNC Park. Why would we. ever go? A lot of negativity early from. a lot of the old head Yinzers. Also a. lot of positivity. Obviously, a lot of. people want to celebrate ball. They want.

to celebrate city of Pittsburgh. But, it. felt like it was getting a little bit. loud because of the inconvenience that. it's going to be to get down here. With. this weather being the way it's been, with the way it's been covered, people. that are showing up. We got a Wiz and. Bret Michaels concert coming up Friday. night. >> Tomorrow night, we got everything. popping. It's going to be uh it's going. to be a special weekend here in. Pittsburgh. We're very thankful to be. here. It's not just me. Obviously, the. boys are here as well. The toxic table. at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. You. guys got a chance to experience a little. Pittsburgh heaven yesterday. And I don't. know which one of you wants to start. Connor, you're the bigger hater, so I.

think you could maybe mention what. happened yesterday. But, in Pittsburgh, uh every school. like we had uh five elementary schools, I think, when I was right. Is that. right? Civic. That's one half of the hammer. Damn. Cowboys. >> Yeah. AP Town. We had five elementary. schools. Uh I think there's now there's. two junior highs and a high school. Each. school has like a Kennywood picnic day. where everybody goes to Kennywood. They. charge you for it. Okay? So, you certainly had to pay for it.

There was a couple times where maybe. early in the the McAfees decided not to. pay. It's literally ghost town. Okay? Everybody in Plum picks up and goes to. Kennywood. And every town has one of. those. Yesterday, the program had our. own Kennywood picnic day. And I want to. let people at Kennywood know Uh Lindsey, Ricky, Yeah. >> Yeah, Ricky. Okay, Ricky. >> Go on. Ricky, the GM in there. Kenny the. Kangaroo, brand new. By the way, doesn't. look like a puppet that has been maybe. you know Yeah, it's true. Okay? Kennywood swinging a hot bat. >> Do you know the maintenance crew? Gino. and the maintenance crew, I can't thank.

you boys enough. Tony, the ball Tony. Yeah. I mean I mean the the entire crew. took care of us yesterday. We had our we. had with ourselves. Not normally open. during the weekdays at this stage of the. spring cuz you don't know what the. weather is. So, opening it all up would. be crazy even though the weather is. awesome. Got a chance to experience. Kennywood yesterday. You've said a lot. of things, con man. Yeah, I would just. like to kind of get your thoughts on. what Kennywood was and Pittsburgh being. a host site for this draft with perfect. weather assuming. >> Yeah, Pittsburgh's been amazing. Walked. around a little bit yesterday in the. city after Kennywood and it is just. beautiful. It's clean. It looks.

fantastic. It's all Mr. Rogers little. neighborhood thing. Also very cool. Kennywood as a whole, I mean, look, I. did say a lot of things. I thought the. whoop-de-woos were not going to be. whoop-de-woos. I thought the roller. coasters themselves were going to be. crap and shite and made out of wood. They were made out of wood, but it was. still solid. I I'm I'm just going to say. that now. Six Flags I've always held in. high regard. I'm going to put Kennywood. right up there with it. I mean, not to. mention the Racer and the Phantom. Phantom's Revenge, the Phantom. They had. some coasters that delivered. Phantom.

were going what? 95 to 100 miles an. hour? Something around there. The Steel. Curtain I think had nine or eight or 10. whoop-de-woos which was very very good. I was scared going up there for a little. bit and typically I, you know, I don't. love roller coasters. Don't hate roller. coasters. Yeah, in this moment I I was. very nervous. You're going up this, I. don't know, 150 to 100 foot kind of a. climb. >> it's 229 feet. Is that the. >> 229, yeah. And they're playing Oh Mama.

I'm in fear for the life [laughter] for. for my life and I was. I did There was a. lot of this that I wasn't completely. ready. Actually unfortunately. Yeah, Debo. On the ride itself I think Debo my. anxiety might have gotten to Debo a bit. I actually passed out here. >> [laughter]. >> On the Steel Curtain I was not ready for. it. My entire body just kind of gave. out. My hair was going everywhere. This. is actually our second run. The first. run I damn near lost my glasses so I. took them off for run two. I'm glad I.

did cuz as soon as I go out, I would. have completely lost my shades. I. wouldn't be able to see anything. OH MY GOD, YOU ACTUALLY WENT OUT RIGHT. THERE. SEE YOU GUYS SEE YOU GUYS LATER. WAKE. HIM UP, DJ. >> [laughter]. >> THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SEEING IT. OH MY GOD. ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? YEAH, I'm. okay. I'M GOOD. OH MY GOD. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME. YEAH. And we came back WE CAME BACK.

YEAH, BACK ALIVE. >> [laughter]. >> SO, LOOK, to say Kennywood Hey, I'm. happy you're all right. Yeah, I'm I'm. good. To say that it delivered would be an. understatement. It did. There's a few. things. >> [laughter]. >> we should address though. One, I think. it motivated a lot of us to make sure we. fit in the coasters. You don't have to. do that. Nine-year NFL vet Darious J. Butler is. here. D-Butt was right next to Connor. there as Connor.

I guess civilization for a little bit as. he was on the Steel Curtain. Nine. whoopty woos, Yep. which is the most in. North America. Highest whoopty woo Yep. in North America as well. The Steel. Curtain. And I believe. uh Phantom's Revenge is voted the number. one coaster in America or something like. that. It gets up to like they say 85, 86. mph, but the maintenance guys say they. got that dialed in pretty good right. now. I would say that's probably close to 90. Close to 90. No pull That's all gravity.

The Steel Phantom's Revenge is just. gravity. Yeah. And it gets you to like. 90 mph is what they were saying. It. doesn't have any whoopty woos, but it's. just speed and twisty whoos. >> Yeah. And I'll tell you they brought. their fam I talked a lot of for. Kennywood on this show. You did. And. then night before Kennywood day for us, which came together late. Shout out to. Nick Steve Littleman, by the way, kid. from Plum worked at Kennywood our entire. lives was the connection for this entire. thing. Everybody works here same. workers. Okay, and they love that place. Night before we have our Kennywood. picnic day.

Cuz D But was like, "Hey, I'm telling. the truth when we get on air about this. Kennywood. I'm doing journalism. I. actually thought to myself like maybe. Kennywood last of its kind, this. particular coaster is called a fly. coaster. It's the last one operating in. the United States of America. There's. like three different coasters that are. over a 100 years old there. I I mean. they all still work, but I was very. worried that it was going to suck. Okay, I was like, man, I haven't been there in. 20 years. I mean, who knows what this. thing actually is. Maybe Mandela effect. about how nice it was, especially. because I was a kid. The amount of. things that happened in there. We walked.

by the old mill. So many moments in my. life happened at Kennywood. It was a big. day. So I sort of get a little bit. worried that maybe it was going to get. crucified. Nope. Now granted, it was just us there. That helps. For sure. >> Much better. But it delivered. >> Much better. Had some Yinzers. respond to a couple respond to my. picture of the old mill and they got all. like, let me guess, you're getting a VIP. treatment at Kennywood. Yeah, very. relatable. It's like let you know, not. relatable at all. >> [laughter]. >> We did all of these things in 2 and 1/2. hours, even stopped by the potato patch.

>> Well, we had the greatest. Hold on. >> It's called the potato patch. They. didn't take that sign down. It's. called the potato patch. It is not the. patch. It's a nicotine thing. There was. signage for both. Yeah, but they covered. the potato patch. Ricky made a mistake. He He's going to fix it. >> is going to rectify it. >> He knows that he's going to he's going. to fix that, but I would say I was. worried going in. and then once I felt that Jack Rabbit. I was like, yeah. Feels like the boys. are throwing their fastball today. You. know, cuz the maintenance crew matters.

And I think what I remembered is. 100-year-old coasters, wooden coasters. >> Mhm. So if you zoom in on the wood, there's a chance it looks shitty. >> Sure. Or moldy. It's old wood. Yeah, very old. Pittsburgh is a blue-collar. union labor city. The amount of pride. that the maintenance people have in the. Thunderbolt, in the Jack Rabbit, in the. Kangaroo, the racer, in the. racer, in the Phantom's Revenge, and the. Steel Curtain. It was like, we got a. chance to talk to all the maintenance. people cuz they had to open the rides. for us. Yeah, sure.

Thought they were going to hit our guts. You weren't the first people to ever. have this happen to. We were told that, which was good cuz I did feel terrible. that these guys had to come in on their. off day and open these things. But the. amount of pride they all had in all. their rides. And then once we get on. there, I'm like, Kennywood does have its. fast ball. I was very excited about. that. I was worried you were going to. have to kill it cuz I didn't remember. exactly what it was. >> The expectations were very very low. coming in. You guys you know you. Pittsburgh guys have defended it. I'm. from Florida, so that's that's where. Disney World is, you know, that's so. that's where I got to compare it to. And. they say comparison's the thief of joy, but comparing these things apples to.

apples, I mean, it's right here. It's. right here. We had the Phantom's. Revenge, Steel Curtain. Now you guys did. It's some pros and cons to having a park. to yourself because I don't know if the. human body is built to just go from. Phantom's Revenge twice, Steel Curtain, Jackrabbit back-to-back-to-back-to-back. But it was unbelievable. And then to top. it off, finish it off with the. What is it? The patch now, right? That's. what we call it, right? Yeah, the patch. Okay, the patch. That was that was. phenomenal. It's the potato patch. fries, pulled pork, the man, the Lawry's. over there for the mom magic. Yeah, it. was it was top-notch, A1, A1.

Pittsburgh's been delivering, we will. say. And they'll do it for the draft. Now let's go to a man who's a college. football national champion, Super Bowl. champion, Ryder Cup winner, A.J. Hawk is. here. Hawkeye, good to see you. Hawkeye. Hawkeye, you know your discipline is the. reason why you've been so good at. everything. Connor was about to mention. it there. The bone couldn't fit on two of the. coasters. Yep. Oh, so I did hear about. that. Is is that really true or we just doing. a thing where we mess with the bone? It. was not getting into a seat. Let me try. to get this thing over my lap. Oh, I. cannot do it. It's like a movie.

It's like a scene from a movie. Trying. to shove him into the seat. Come on now. You know that's true. >> This is actual. We're telling the truth. I didn't want to get into this Does it. say Is there weight limits or is there. size limits when you walking up the. ramp? Let's meet next door up front the. first. Kenny, what if you rode by. himself? Could he just take a cart to. himself? No, cuz there's little. parts? There's dividers. We're trying to. put more weight. This is the racer right. here. So, it was the blue blue ride. versus the red ride. So, we're trying to. give, you know, King's Island has a has. a racer, too. But, I will tell you he. was motivated, though. He said this. actually genuinely now gives me a quote.

>> the the the kickstart he needed. Two. roller coasters. Did he do Did he stay in there and wave. at you guys as you went by? That's Yeah, it was very uncomf- It was more. uncomfortable than anything. He had his. hands in his in his face cuz he was. crying after he couldn't ride it. I. didn't know it was that serious. Serious. way to It started off funny and then it. towards the It got sad. It got real sad. No one thought of Did anyone say, >> all right, I'll stay with you. It's okay. Well, they have a sign at the beginning. that says like, "Oh, Gumpy wasn't riding. a lot of these rides cuz he he he took. two drinks." He's a water only. >> It wasn't enough. Uh Bailey Bailey on.

the ride that has the most whoopty. whoops in the United States of America, as it's going, looks over at Evan Fox. and goes, "I HATE ROLLER. COASTERS.". >> [laughter]. >> HE GOES THROUGH IT. HE GETS UP AND GETS. [clears throat] OFF OF IT. I MEAN, IT. was There was a lot of There was a lot. of. uh. observers. And DeBone, I don't think he. wanted to be one, but the coasters kind. of said not today to him. And I'll tell. you what, you saw what happened to. Connor. Oh, yeah. If that would happen. to DeBone, we're having a a memorial. right now. Yeah. Okay, cuz he would have.

been falling out of that thing. There is. no way close to getting out of that. He. stayed off it. All right. Uh let's move. off Kennywood. Thank you, Kennywood. Thank you, Kennywood. Bring Italian Day. back, Kennywood. The fact that Italian. Day has been lost at Kennywood is pretty. crazy. Spakoozie was walking us around. The Politanos were one of the head uh. maintenance guys. DeGiulio was there. Maroldo was there. Gino was there. I. mean, What I say? What? >> Every day at Kennywood is Italian Day. We don't need our own day there, okay? Uh there was a guy three times the size. of Bone, and his name was Tony something.

that ends in I or O, and the guy. couldn't fit on the rides. He said, "That's it. We're pulling Italian Day. >> [laughter]. >> We ain't doing We ain't doing Italian. Day at Kennywood anymore if I can't fit. in that thing." let's move to the draft. shall we thank you Pittsburgh depends. thank you so much for the hospitality at. the the playoff game on uh. Monday night. >> know if they'll be back in that. building. Yeah, it's probably all she wrote there. I tell you what did we know the Flyers. were as big strong and as talented as. they they're bigger faster stronger and.

more talented than us. >> That's never good. There's a guy named. 74 on. on the Flyers. You might what is his name? Skinner? Owen Tippett. Tippett is on. goalie. Okay, yeah. Tippett this guy 74. he's as orange as the jersey. He's everywhere. This guy is everywhere. and he's massive. Okay, then what was. the other guy Sanheim? >> Mhm. Hey. >> Number six. You're lucky that glass was. there Sanheim. I bet. You're lucky that. glass was there Sanheim. I almost I.

almost climbed it but I didn't want the. LA Kings thing to happen. >> Yeah. With my neck brace. I was actually. told just moments before or I guess a. day before the LA Kings glass shattered. into the bench. I was told many times. stop banging on the glass. >> [laughter]. >> Cuz it was hard not to just Yeah, it's. right there. >> make some noise. It's the best way to. make noise. >> I mean players can touch it. Yeah, I. think the Flyers did see this tweet and. they have heard what we said. There was. a lot of waving after the game to me. Hey. Hey, see you bum. They cooked us. They're a good team. You got back up.

goalie too. How many times is a back up. goalie going to come in and pitch a shut. out? Guy was standing on his head. On. his head. >> I'm seeing what goals are going in for. the Boston Bruins last night against. Buffalo. We couldn't buy one of those. things. >> when you're an original six team. Okay, the hockey gods look fondly upon you. >> All right, let's get away from this. series because the Flyers are going to. win it feels like. So I don't want to. talk about it ever again. Hockey had a. hell of a year. GOOD JOB HOCKEY. BASKETBALL'S HEATING UP. >> HOCKEY HAD A HELL OF A YEAR. WHAT IS THE. SERIES ONE OH RIGHT NOW? TWO TWO OH. YEAH, AND WE'RE GOING BACK TO PHILLY AND. I'M GOING TO TELL you I had eyes on the.

on the guys. Yeah. They're bigger stronger faster and more. talented than us. It's tough to compete. with that. >> It's a long series. Sid plays better at. home. >> IT COULD BE QUICK. >> long series. I I still got faith in Sid. >> I love Sid. Geno was everywhere. >> Yeah. Geno, I love Geno. Tanger was out. there. We got a couple guys on the ice. that I don't love. Couple guys that I. could hear this guy stinks. But on the. other side, the Flyers, everybody was good. So they're winning. it all then? Flyers going to win the. cup? >> Probably feels like. >> No. I think there's a chance. They got. Talking to everybody there is Penguin. legend. There's a chance that they could. do that. It was fun. We appreciate it.

Great to see everybody. Let's move to. the topic of discussion and why we were. so fortunate to be here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I'm maybe the nicest. weather I've ever seen in Pittsburgh, especially in April. Uh joining us now. is the man who released his most recent. mock draft. This mock Some guy you some. guy attacked me for saying that you're. the most accurate mock drafter. Uh he has a website. I forget his name. I don't know if. anybody's visited website, but he told. me it was documented he might have. outperformed you, he said. Okay? No, I don't know if anybody saw it. He.

did It wasn't me. It was somebody with a. website. I got him I got better score. than him or whatever cuz there is now. scoring process for these mock drafts. There is an actual score accountability. that we're doing. Shraeger, every time. we followed along with you, we feel most. informed. We appreciate you so much for. joining us. It's your Shraeger. Come on. now. Shraeger and Tone Diggs will be. live from the Football IQ Draft IQ. trailer that I just saw. It's 45° in. there right now. The air conditioning is. working, boys. Now, Shraegs, you. released your most. recent mock draft. Let's talk about the.

storylines. I know a lot of things had. to change after your first one. What did. you kind of put into this one that you. think is. maybe most set, most real, and then. maybe what are you still questioning? >> The last 72 hours I've been on the. phones with just about every NFL team. and have someone in at least every. building and I'm trying to just piece. this thing together. Remember, it's very. hard to do it because if one team does. something in the third overall pick that. you don't expect, it's all trickle-down. effect. It makes it very difficult to be. accurate. I will say this, this draft, three things to keep in mind. One, positional value does not matter this.

year. There are not the blue chip. players at our traditional positions of. offensive tackle, wide receiver, quarterback, and at defensive end that. there usually are. So, when you look at. a Caleb Downs, a Sunny Styles, a. Jeremiah Love, three positions that you. don't typically see going in the top 10, those guys will go in the top 10. That's. one part that I'd say that it's worth. noting. The other part that I think is. really significant here, Pat, is that at. number three, the Arizona Cardinals are. sitting there. And there are teams that have been. calling, and there are teams that have.

been listening, and there is an. opportunity to move up to three. And if. they don't trade out, we might see a. running back go as high as third. overall. Jeremiah Love, the running back. at Notre Dame, could go third overall to. the Arizona Cardinals. >> Okay, so you're saying there might be. some moves at three. That'd be for a. quarterback, or you're saying positional. value doesn't matter? Somebody can get. to three for something that. >> for whoever the Jets don't take. >> Okay, so let's talk about um. Oh, like Ar'vell Reese potentially. instead of David Bailey. >> yes. Okay, so. I know that did Jimmy Johnson create the.

trade points. >> the trade value book, yes. >> Does this year's mean the same as other. years in the past with the way. everybody's talking about these. particular uh Great question. No, because also, the other piece of this. draft is 1 to 20 we have 21st round. picks in this draft, and I'm not. knocking the the kids who are going to. go from 21 to 32. But traditionally, the. players that you're seeing on this list. from 21 to 32 for the most part might. not be considered first round players. They could be considered second round. players. This draft is a little. different in that you've got your few.

blue chip players up top, you've got. your next tier that are first round. guys, but it kind of falls off a cliff. after 20. So, the trade value of a first. round pick at 28 or 29 is a lot less. than it might have been in previous. years. In this year's draft, the tackles. are going to go, the wide receivers are. going to go, but there's not your group. of corners, there's not your group of. defensive tackles, and there's not your. group of quarterbacks that are typically. are. Okay, uh last question for me. before Tone will definitely have some of. the boys will. Uh, from my understanding.

from my source says around the league, everybody's trying to get back. Is that accurate? Not everybody. Not everybody. But there's a lot of. people trying to move back, right? I I. think there is a lot of value in trying. to just collect as many picks as. possible in this draft once that first. wave of talent goes. I I want to tell. you, one corner, Mansour Diallo, is. expected to go in the first round. That's the only one that's guaranteed to. go. Deebo tell you one corner. That's. shocking. There's other guys who can go. and a half. There Yeah, there's there's. but like this is the only sure-fire one.

that is going to go, and it's Mansour. Diallo. And that is usually a position. where we see six, seven, eight maybe go. And then after the wide receivers, you've got the big three, and then. there's a bit of a question on Cooper, there's a bit of a question on. Concepcion, bit of a question on Denzel. Boston. You don't have your typical, oh, these are six first-round guys, they're. definitely going in the top 15. Makes it. a very interesting draft. Okay, Sheks, when I look at it, the first thing that. popped out to me, uh, Mau I know from Miami has been the. favorite to go first offensive lineman.

off the board for a while now. You do. not have him go with the first off the. board, you have Fano going. Is that. because the Browns need a left tackle, Fano has played left tackle, or do you. think are you hearing that Fano is going. to be the first offensive lineman off. the board? It'll be one of those two. guys, and I would keep an eye on Caiden. Proctor as a late rising prospect. The. 6-foot-7 mountain of a man out of. Alabama. I have him the the Lions. trading up to 13 to get him. Mau I know. Fano is a conversation everyone's having. in the league right now. Fano wore the. captain's C on his chest at Utah, can.

play right, can play left tackle, can. also play inside. We know that Mau I. know had the bigger games, he is a right. tackle. I just saw that Fano's like he. he did have the shortest arms, I. believe, as an as as an offensive. lineman at the uh combine, but he said. he doesn't give a Like put him. wherever you guys think I'm going to be. the greatest, I will play that position. Took snaps at center at the combine, said, "I'll I'll whatever. Just get me. there." Can play all, can play all five. positions. Culture guy and everyone. raves about him at the combine. I'm. thinking he doesn't have an Instagram. Is that a clear? That's a great. question. It's a good question. >> imagine there's a very vibrant.

Instagram. I don't think he's doing Tik. Tok dances. >> if he started at all five positions or. played at all five positions and willing. to play at all five positions and he. said I'll play whatever and he's got. short arms too, so maybe he can't even. True. I I I that's the type of guy we. want on our team. That's the type of guy. we want on our team. D But has a. question for you, Shein. Speaking of. guys on the team in that mock draft with. the Giants, I mean I'm sure every Giants. fan probably hit you up in relation with. Reese and then Tyson, you know, five and. 10. What are you hearing about Tyson. post pro day cuz I only saw a few clips,

but he looks phenomenal the way he's. moving and as far as his health, I think. Dr. Chao came on and said a lot of teams. won't even have a red mark next to him. What's your thoughts on Jordan Tyson. being you have him obviously second. after Tate wide receiver is coming off. the board. What's your thoughts? What. you hearing on him? He's the most. fascinating prospect in this draft and. John Harbaugh is the most fascinating. person in this draft. The Giants have a. new coach who is making estimated $100. million in their building right now and. their their their decision-making. process will now be really funneled. through Harbaugh's vision. The five and. the 10.

They like Jordan Tyson. A lot of people. in the league like Jordan Tyson. Is five. too rich to take a receiver who Pat. we've talked about it, missed all those. games for three different injuries. but is lights out and if healthy is. viewed as the number one prospect. I. believe he could go as early. as five to the Giants. I think he can go. seven to the Commanders, eight to the. Saints or nine to the Chiefs in this. mock draft. I have the Giants just. sitting pretty holding the line and. getting the guy at 10. I I noted it I.

broke the news that he went to dinner. with Joe Shane last Thursday night. They. went to a place called Uchi in Arizona. That's a good spot. I've heard of a lot of places in. Arizona. Uchi Uchi is the spot. I I've. been to a Twin Peaks in Arizona. It was. lovely. I've been to several places in. [laughter] Arizona. It was lovely. And. Uchi Who let this fire? >> [laughter]. >> Are they still serving ice cold beer? Are they got ice cold in there? That's it.

There's a lot of love for Tyson in that. Giants building. I'm not sure he is. going to go at five, especially if. Ar'vell Reese is on the board. >> Now, let's talk about Harbaugh having. two top 10 picks. So, Hembo sent over. some stats here about his highest. drafted players under. John Harbaugh. Six, Ronnie Stanley. 14, 16, 17, 18. Obviously, whenever you. think about Harbaugh trying to build a. new culture, isn't that a big deal here now with his. draft picks and what he does with five. and 10? Isn't it sending a massive. message? His brother drafted Joe Alt.

first draft pick. Remember, there was a. lot of conversation on who he was going. to take. And he said, "We're taking an. offensive lineman. We we are just going. to let everybody know that we're taking. an offensive lineman." Harbaugh going to. do that with the Giants as well? I don't. see wide receiver at five for Harbaugh. That seems out of character, right? It. does. And then yet you look at what this. what this team has built at you have. Neighbors coming off the injury. You. don't have Wan'Dale Robinson anymore. Darius Slayton's the number two. Are you. going to compete with the Cowboys, the. Eagles, and and the Commanders with what. you have on offense? Or do you go and. get the guy if he's the number one wide. receiver at a value position? I I would.

add all those players that Harbaugh got. with the exception of Flacco who was the. 18th overall pick and went to Delaware. We're talking Alabama, Notre Dame. You're talking about big program, guys. who've produced. So, all these Ohio. State guys, whether it be Caleb Downs, Sonny Styles, Ar'vell Reese, Carnell. Like That feels like a Harbaugh. >> There is a body of work that they have. done in big spots from big programs. where when you're looking at a Jordan. Tyson and saying, "Okay, well, Arizona. State, he did play well in big games.".

Maybe that's not the feel at five. overall. >> Yeah, and for Jordan Tyson, Dr. David. Chao kind of talked me out of the whole. I'm never trusting that guy in a 17 game. season. Him saying his hamstring's back, hamstrings get healthy, uh the or what was it? The. collar bone he plays football. Like. that's going to happen. Hopefully it. doesn't happen in the NFL again or. whatever you know for Will Levis. And. then knee ligaments and stuff. >> His knee hit like the the highlight hit. the. internet again this week of his hit in. Colorado when he did. We all would have. torn everything. It was it was a.

submarine safety right to his knee. Just. Yeah, it was it was it was tough there. It's football. It's football. It's a low. tackle, straight. Okay. >> Hey, but you know, there's 32 teams. So. it may be 22 that say hey, no issues, but 10 will say no way I'm taking him. because. getting injured in college, the. likelihood of you getting injured in. college and being healthy on an NFL. level to some guys you just take them. off the board. The other one that's. interesting is Jerod Mayo McCoy out of. Tennessee who you're going to hear a lot. about. He had the best film out of. anybody in the 2024 season. January of.

'25 had a knee injury, missed the entire. college football season. Everyone said, "He'll be back. He'll be fine.". Combine, okay, I'm not doing much, fine. Pro Day, runs a 40, looks good. Drills. they said, "Not 100%." And you're. hearing back from teams that like. whereas Tyson is well on his way like. McCoy still might need some time and. they might need to do some more work. So. you start So I got him all the way down. to 30. This is a guy who might be the. best corner in this draft. And if you. look at the '24 film, might be the best. corner in the past two drafts. But that.

might be a value pick for the Dolphins. over there at 30. If teams are just. scared to say, "Okay, he might not be a. contributor right away." Or we're only. going to get this many years out of him. Outstanding kid, outstanding talent, but. I have him going at 30 in the second. corner off the board. >> Remember, all it takes is one person to. like a player. Mhm. Yep. Owner, GM, owner's wife, owner's kid. Uh. owner's husband. I mean, Carley's. husband might be really intrigued by. Draft night can change. 100%. Owners can. literally say, "We like this guy, right?" No doubt.

>> No, we kind of like the other No. No, we. do. I think we like this guy. Especially. in this where it seems like it's a lot. of Yeah. a lot of one of these. So Like. it's 31 flavors what I was told this. draft is. Like Baskin Robbins. Like you. like this guy, you got this guy, pick. one of them. Like they're both Reese and. Bailey. for the Jets is a fascinating debate. And to their credit, the Jets are lock. and key right now. There's no leaks. coming from their building and I think. >> What about the Jets canceling his top. 30? Do you get any feeling from They. canceled David Bailey's top 30 visit. Is. that a good thing for them go Bailey go. to Jets or bad? >> going number two. I've had him going.

there for a month. And And Pat, we. talked about it. Everyone was on Reese. I was on Bailey. Then everyone went back. on Reese. I've stayed on Bailey. Very unorthodox that they canceled a top. 30 visit. Hey, that's Jets football, baby. >> Yes, it is. The The The The explanation. you will get on that is We met with him. extensively at the combine. We met with. him extensively at the pro day. We've. done FaceTimes with him. Why are we. wasting his time? We know the kid. He. went from Stanford to Texas Tech. He's. as clean as a prospect off the field as. you can imagine. He's a wonderful young. man. Had 14 and a half sacks. What are.

we getting from him touring our. facility? That said, Orvell Reese went. on the thing and did the same stuff and. toured the facility. So, you take what. you want from it. I've got him going. Bailey, but like you just said, I have. been wrong before and things can also. change from now until the draft on. Thursday night. >> Did Did you AJ, did you have anything. like that happen to you leading up to. the draft cuz you you know, you're kind. of in the same shoes as this guy. He's a. top five pick with the Packers. You know. Packers were kind of in on you? I did. not. I met with them at the combine. everything, but I took those I think I. took five or six visits around and the. Packers didn't bring me in. They didn't.

cancel a visit. I didn't have something. scheduled and canceled. They just had no. communication. So, I really had no clue. until they called me 30 seconds before. my name came on the TV. Where did you. think you were going to go? I was hoping to go to Green Bay because. it it was close. It's the Packers, you. know, everyone I feel like at least in. the Midwest grew up a Packers fan. Um I was hoping to go there, but I don't. honestly, I was so young and naive and. stupid. I didn't care. >> Did anybody take you into the old mill. though a little bit more than everybody. else? You know what I'm talking about? Kenny, would anybody really show you. love maybe a little over the pants? Oh, I'm I thought. Over the pants maybe, but Mike Nolan was.

actually out in San Francisco. He was. the head coach. He was awesome. He was. He was a great dude. I think I said on. this. uh on the show before. He's He old. school wrote me a handwritten note and. sent me 10 bucks back because he didn't. have any cash when he was trying to tip. the guy at the restaurant he took me to. in San Fran. So, he's like, "Oh, I'm. sorry. You got any money?" I got a 10. [laughter] I gave him a 10. And then my. my scrubby little college house I got. old school mail and it was from coach. Mike Nolan with a $10 bill and saying, "Thank you." I was like, >> [laughter]. >> Hey, if he wants to This is a great guy.

If he wants to take me, I'll be very. happy. I'd love to I'd love to play for. that guy. >> Yeah. Uh that's amazing. AJ top five. pick is crazy to think about. Draft week. was obviously huge for you and I always. ask you the corny sports media question, but like. how does it feel to be this close. >> [laughter]. >> to people getting to experience. your life that you got to experience all. those years ago. Draft week is special. It's a lot of dream I mean, I was picked. 222. I cried. Mhm. You know, like. obviously I couldn't imagine at five. And nowadays all the kids are rich. though. So, I guess it kind of takes. away from I don't know. I still think. it's a huge deal. >> It's still a huge deal. It's still a.

huge deal, but I I mean, I don't know. I. think there's something to There's. something about being young and naive to. the process and not really sure what the. whole future holds. But I What I always. struggle with is when people say like, "Oh, I'm I'm certified. I made it now, mama." Like, no. I'm like, "No, this is. just the start." Like, I agree it was a. very It's an emotional situation and. it's a dream come true, but I was like, "Okay, now I have a chance. Like, now. it's time to go to work." You didn't You. don't If you're drafted, you're not You. have not arrived. You have You got a. chance to go live your dream now. >> And that's who they're trying to draft,

by the way. Yes. That is all We're. trying TO DRAFT THAT GUY. YEAH. >> [laughter]. >> Can I share a story about Pat McAfee's. draft day? I don't know if I've shared. it on the show and I think I told you in. person once. Tom Telesco is a friend of. mine. He's with He was with the Chargers. and the Raiders. He worked for the. Indianapolis Colts and he was a scout. Now, Pat, tell me the actual bowl game. it was. You guys played North Carolina. >> Meineke Car Care Bowl. It was the. Meineke Car Care Bowl and Tom Telesco, who was a scout for the Indianapolis. Colts, said before the game there There. a guy booting 60-yard field goals, blasting punts, and he said, "Who is. this guy? That is the number one.

punter/kicker I've ever seen in like a. pre-game workout. You were there for an. hour beforehand." And Tolesco is like, "This guy is amazing. We have to get. this guy." Goes back to the Colts. organization, and they're putting the. boards together, and he's like, "That's. my pick. McAfee out of West Virginia. That's my pick." They also thought they. had a chance that they could also get. this guy who was a receiver out of Akron. who was a. Kent State, I'm sorry. A nice player who. can do a couple things and was returning. kicks, um but was really a quarterback.

And he was a quarterback that they had. their eyes on. Their plan all along was. to draft both Pat McAfee and Julian. Edelman. >> Ah, that would have been great. >> It comes up onto the clock, and there was a debate in the war room. Do we take the punter/kicker or the. quarterback that we want to convert to. wide receiver? >> The punter/kicker won the argument. >> Wow, so that's a mistake. is selected. [laughter] by the Indianapolis Colts, and Edelman goes undrafted in the He. signs with the Patriots as an undrafted. free agent. >> So, even more so, I was supposed to go. to Kent State. Is that right?

>> Yeah, yeah. So, I was committed to Kent. State. So, I would have been teammates. with Julian at that thing. Yeah, I I uh. Y'all ended up being both one hell of a. guys, though. Yeah, the whole time. Wired to wire and both media superstars. Yeah, yep. Yeah, I yep. Me, yep. I'd say. that's case. Euphoria is kind of the. feeling that we both got, you know, in. like either right, AJ? That is You're. right. Julian Edelman. >> [laughter]. >> I got a chance to see I am a huge fan of. Julian Edelman. And. Pat and Julian Edelman would have been. outrageous. Oh, man. It's like that. >> [laughter]. >> would have been. I don't know if Tolesco he should have.

got off the table when he was first. drafted. >> Austin Collie. Young young Austin. Collie. They picked him in the fourth, I. think, third round out of the D-1 Why. was he your comparison? He played in the slot. Okay, got it. There it is. No, he didn't. He was my. team. No, he didn't. >> [laughter]. >> No other reason. Austin was he. He was like he was. He take the top. Austin takes the top off THE AUSTIN WAS. GOING DEEP. >> Fourth and two game, I was lined up. across off until they moved Reggie in. there to brought me up. >> [laughter]. >> Who's the Ohio State guy, Gonzalez? He. was Anthony Gonzalez, yeah. Politician. Politician now, He did a hell of a Man,

Anthony Julian Edelman, Austin Collie, and Reggie Wayne. Wow. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, yeah, Garcon. And Dallas Clark. Oh my god, we would score a They would. have scored. I would have been on a. different team. >> [laughter]. >> Uh hopefully. Actually, I probably would. have been flipping burgers. Had you. heard that story before? No. I I did. not. They traded. with the Eagles, I do believe, to get up. to pick 222 to make the pick. So, I had. no idea. I had no contact with the. Eagles. So, when I got a call, I was. watching at my house. Cuz I thought I. was going to the Cowboys. I was told. before draft by Joe D'Amelio, special.

teams coach, say, "Hey, you're going to be a Cowboy. You're going to be kicking for us down. here." I was like, "Shit. >> [laughter]. >> I'm going to be a Dallas. Cowboy." We partied hard. I mean, we we. had a great weekend. We had a lot of. fun. And when it came Sunday to get. drafted or whatever, we're like, "All. right, let's settle in." They draft. another guy, uh kid out of David out of. USC. Oh, the lifter. Yeah, cuz he did. Yeah, Jerry loved him, I guess, cuz he. did 225 like 20 sometimes, 28 times, or. something. So, Joe D'Amelio actually. told me like, "Hey, man, I'm so sorry. that happened." And I'm like, "Well, no. other team really. >> There's your example with the owner, by.

the way. >> Yeah, no No, exactly. No. >> Special teams coach only has so much, you know, so much of a voice. No other. team was really that interested, though. So, it was like, I stood on a table for. you. I don't know if I'm going. I I. think this might be back to school days. And then, uh. yeah, I get the call from Bill Polian. That was so cool. Hey, we think you can. figure out punting, is what he said. I'm. like, "Yeah, man, absolutely. Can't wait. to do that." Had to go to Plum High. School's football field the next day. with Tim McAfee and like, "Hey, we got. to figure out You ever hold before? Yeah, learn how to punt. Yeah, absolutely. I held hold all the time. I.

kicked four years there. I had never. held in my life. [laughter] But yeah, I. lied up my ass off. Very lucky to get in. there. They wish they would have taken. Julian Edelman, and I think that would. have been a smart decision long term. And it would have been nice to be. teammates with Jules. But on that note, lucky luckiest phone. call I ever got. And I tried to it. up there, too, getting arrested. I tried. my best. I was nowhere near good enough at. kicking balls when I got arrested to get. arrested. And I knew that sitting in. that jail cell. This one's over, boys. You know, one of those moments. Cuz, you.

know, once Tom Telesco looked into West. Virginia, I had a couple of underages. Yeah, there was a couple of red flags, we'll say. Hey, it was a Tuesday, it looks like. Why? Teammate's birthday. Teammate's. birthday. I had to be there for the. teammate. Okay, this next one. Wednesday night. >> [snorts]. >> Taking pictures, I see. Yeah. Well, >> [laughter]. >> I'm so classy. YEAH, I'VE BEEN TO. MORGANTOWN. I DON'T KNOW, BUT my entire. process was very nerve-wracking and very. scary. That's why, like, whenever people. get drafted in the first round, I'm. like, super pumped for them. But I feel.

like AJ's draft experience is vastly. different than mine. I I thought I was. going back to school, maybe going back. to soccer for a little bit. So, getting. drafted was like a huge anxiety relief, I would say. But to AJ's point, I didn't. make the team then, you know? >> Yeah. Like, I'm not on the team at that. point. They had four punters on Did they. really? >> Yeah, I think so, yeah. And the special. teams coordinator told me directly to my. face that he didn't want me. He wanted. the other guy. >> Mhm. Which was uh Timmy Thieman. Yeah, Tim Masthay. >> He's still playing in the league? Packers, yeah? Yeah, he he was in. training camp with us, though. I had to. compete with him. He.

was a part of helping teach me how to. punt like a month before training camp. And then he's in there and we're. competing with each other. And it's. like, I'm so sorry, Tim. >> [laughter]. >> I'm so sorry, what I And I was not good. I should not have made the team, but. Bill Polian had my back, and I'm very. grateful for that. Very thankful for. that. But the draft is a special time. Mhm. And Shraegs, we're very thankful. that you're joining us. Legit. >> I I predicted four trades in my mock. draft. I've got Detroit coming up. I've. got the Cowboys coming up. It's all fun. Enjoy it. Do what you want with it. Again, it's a guide. >> It's a guide. I do I do ask you though, at home, choose your choose your your.

entertainment value wisely. Put the. Twitter away. Watch us on on all the. channels. Watch the draft spectacular. We're going to have an absolute blast. tomorrow. >> Yeah, you're right. I do like you taking. your high horse stance that you have. >> Can I explain the high horse? Hold on. though. It's more against reporters than. than No, I want to let you know though. You've done this for the last few years. Mhm. Okay, to us. You've actually told me like. I don't like when people tip picks. And. I go, well, we definitely tip picks. because that was kind of where the draft. spectacular started. We were all wearing. I was in a Canadian tuxedo.

Aaron joined us. Yeah. And we were on. the internet. So, any information that. the internet had Real time. certainly. But, we were like seven picks ahead of. the NFL. And we started gaining some. steam with this draft spectacular. People actually like started watching. our So, people started getting. real mad. You know, these people down. here that still don't love us. Those. people over there. The guy that sits on. that stage up there. So, then we started. getting like messages like, hey, you. please don't be tipping picks. And then. I you gave me a full speech about it. Let me explain. >> like, hey, this is not impressive. THERE'S NO. VALOR.

>> [laughter]. >> OKAY, LET ME EXPLAIN. YOU'RE NOT WINNING. A PULITZER. prize for breaking tipping picks. If you. have a pick on Thursday morning and. you're like, I know the Jets are taking. David Baylisch or I know God bless you. as a reporter, go. The NFL gets the. picks before you see them on TV. You. have to submit them. All 32 teams get. the pick. Every coach, every GM, every So, if you. have one source in any building at the. league office, an agent, everyone gets. it 90 seconds before the pick is.

announced. All it takes is to just be. told, oh, they're taking this guy, and. you're just spoiling it. So, if you have. the pick. day earlier or you're a reporter and you. want to break it, great. But, after the. pick is submitted and the pick is. submitted and in, there's no valor, there's no awesome honor. >> Shraeger. Shouldn't you be talking to. these coaches and people that are. snitching, letting these reporters know? They're trying to crack down. It's hard. There's 32 rooms with a thousand people. Listen, Mike Greenberg will know, Rich.

Eisen will Everyone know it goes. through. It's a production. So, I'm not. trying to say I'm I'm trying to say. like, hey, you know, protecting the shield. I don't give a. crap about the ratings. I'm saying. there's no cool and then the reaction. when you just see it on TV and Goodell. says the name and you didn't expect it. to be happening. That surprise is cool. That's one of the coolest. >> or sorry, did you see Mad Mel last year. whenever Golden was. >> was that? That still exists. >> We'll have that. And and to be. completely clear, I do think. Commissioner Goodell loves the draft. >> Oh yeah. Like he is very very very big.

fan of the draft. Future of the NFL, future generations, this is the baton. passing of the NFL almost and it's. become a spectacle. I think he's very. proud of what it's become and I do think. they like him being the one. Oh yeah. We've gotten that message loud and. clear. Okay, now we don't get the same. emails that Rich Eisen and Greeny get. I. don't know. No, it's not emails. It's. not emails. The production of it all. like right before the pick is up, they. have to know because they have to have. the B-roll ready and all the stuff and. they have to get it going and then they. do. Yeah, yeah. Your actual. your actual reaction though finding out.

who it is is great though. Yeah, I enjoy. learning. It's better that you don't. know it. Uh joining us now ladies and. gentlemen is the man who's going to be. picking at the end of the NFL draft. tomorrow. Maybe. Maybe trades up to two. He could. Maybe trades up to one. I. don't know if they have the capital to. do that but maybe. Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Buffalo. Bills, Brandon Beane. Beane-o, how you doing pal? I'm good. Good to see you guys. Everybody good? Yeah, we're fantastic. How are you? Obviously on this draft eve you have a. late pick but on that note, are we. already locked in at this point? Where. do teams kind of sit whenever we're the.

day before the NFL draft? Are you. reading Schefter's mock and going all. right, that changes like legitimately. how do you guys operate this close to. when the draft starts? Yeah, after we see Peter's mock, we kind. of rally back up as a group and see like. where he ranks, how how we rank them and. so we have a conversation. We don't. necessarily take Peter's guy but we at. least want to talk about it before we. before we dismiss it. Well, congratulations. You're taking Peter. Woods out of Clemson.

All right. We'll go ahead and get him on. an airplane, get him up above the earth. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, so what have YOU GUYS BEEN DOING? OBVIOUSLY, THAT LATE in the draft, so. many things can happen, and obviously, trades take place on draft night, and. surprise picks happen. Are you just. running through all the different. situations? How do Can you take me. through late end of first round and kind. of strategy at this point? Yeah, I mean, you kind of just. use what you know, use what you hear. Obviously, you you study mocks, not like.

the actual order, but you know out of. enough mocks that Fernando Mendoza's. going to be gone, Reese is going to be. gone, you name them. You kind of just. write down, all right, I'm just making. up a number, these 12 guys are 100%. barring, like I said, a. gas mask or something. I don't even know. if anybody care about that, but barring. something like that happening, these. guys are going to be gone before we. pick. So, after that, you're just then. kind of looking at names, you're looking.

at positions, position value, and then. you look around you. Like, what do you. think the teams, you know, three, four, five in front of you, what are they. going to do? Um, you know, do you want to move up. with one of them? You know, where we. have draft capital, we don't have a two, we traded we did a two-five swap for DJ. Moore. So, it's not like we're loaded with a lot of. ammo to kind of jump way up the, you. know, up the line. You should think. about it though. That'd be cool for us. Yeah, you might as well. You should use. your 2027 picks. Everyone said that. draft's going to stink. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I think you should. Maybe.

the whole fleet of 2027 picks to move. right up to two to three, so we can get. a little electricity, you know, to start. this entire thing. Deebo has a question. for you, Bean Ball. >> Yeah, Bean. Uh, I want to ask you about. players with injuries. Now, not specific. players in this draft, but how do you. balance, I guess, the talent of certain. players at certain positions, and then. the injuries? Like, if it's a the same. injury year after year, if it's just. random injuries over 3 years. How do you. balance that as a front office? Yeah, great question. You know, we do. meet with our docs and and our medical.

team and. you know, you have their talent where. they're on the board, but if they're if. it's a longevity issue, you're going, all right, is is this a one contract. guy? Do I think he can even is this. something I'm concerned the guy can even. play four to five years on and then you. kind of make it am I taking them all the. way off the board or am I moving them. down saying, hey, you know what? I. wouldn't I had a first [clears throat]. round grade on him as a his talent but. I'm very concerned if he can make it, you know, four five years. But maybe I.

say, you know what? A fourth round pick, he may not make it. four or five years either. Depending so. you're just kind of measuring risk. The. risk of the talent of the player first. the risk of what the medical concerns. are. You look at past history as well. What players have come out in the draft. at this position with something similar? How did they fare or you know, did it go. well? Did it not? So you're just. you're trying to put as much info as you. can and put them in in the spot that. you're most comfortable taking them. Tyson is obviously who we're referring.

to here cuz he's potential top. >> It happens every every year. >> Corner I guess yeah, also there are. McCoy but Jordan Tyson is the big combo. cuz he's potentially top 10 pick. Now, on that note, I haven't asked you this, you know, cuz I don't want you to be put. in a spot but I'm definitely going to do. it now that people are watching and. we're the day before the draft. How do. you feel about this draft class? What. what do you think is the read on this. draft class here as a whole? You don't. have to talk about just first round, you. can do the entire What do you think. about cuz there's been a lot of uh shade. thrown at this draft class I think. strictly cuz there isn't a bunch of. quarterbacks. What are your thoughts on. this particular draft class?

Yeah, I mean I think it's not as top. heavy. You were alluding to it like at. the top whether it's quarterback, uh. edge, tackles, things like that. I don't. think there's just as many. uh sure fire, you know, top 10, top 15. guys, but there're still really good. players. Uh there's depth at at various. positions and you're just trying to see, you know, as you look, what what. positions have depth, what do not. Because if they don't have depth and you. feel like that's a need, you're like, man, we better find a way to get that.

guy early or we're going to leave the. draft, you know, without filling that. position. But I think there's guys, Pat, that we can, you know, maybe they're not. a starter, you know, for us, but a guy. that can fill a depth role. I think. there's there's still plenty of players. that will help, you know, all 32 teams, you know, throughout the draft. >> to hear that. There's just been a lot of. negativity about this draft. Con Man, New England Patriot die-hard. fan, has a question for you. Yeah, B, and shout out to your Buffalo Sabres. GOOD GAME LAST NIGHT. >> [laughter]. >> UH BUT UH BACK TO FOOTBALL REAL QUICK.

Uh Josh Allen's chugging beers, maybe. you need to look at Ty Simpson. Yeah, I. don't know ABOUT THAT [laughter] GUY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GUY'S FULLY. COMMITTED. YEAH, that. that one's tough. Great beer chug, though. Fantastic guy. Josh great beer. chug. We love what you're doing for. sport right there. And congrats on the. kid. Yeah, and and. >> [laughter]. >> also people were judging the drum. He. nailed the drum. He just wasn't hitting. it as hard. He was going for the beat, not power. That's something you need to. look at, but Hey, it's 1 it's 1-1, so. don't get too ahead of yourself.

>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see. One team's bigger, tougher, more physical and has pounded the other. team, but that's fine. B, when it comes to trades in the draft. itself, Shrags had four of them in his. mock, one of them being, you know, the. Cowboys switching picks with the Chiefs. But for you, you've traded up, you've. traded back. You know, Kincaid, you went. up and got him. At what point are you. starting to talk to GMs? Like do you. think these guys are talking now about. like, hey, can we move up here? Are you. waiting till the draft starts? And if. your guy starts to fall a bit, are you.

calling other teams? Like what is kind. of the strategy when it comes for some. of these GMs trying to trade up and. trade back? Yeah, I mean, I think you kind of check. with how far are you realistically, wherever you're at in the first round, how far you willing to go up knowing, you know, generally speaking, what that. draft capital would cost you. And. listen, if you're willing to go in the. top 10 and you feel like you got the. capital to do it, you're checking in. saying, "Hey, what is your interest? Are. you you guys think there's you would. have an interest in in moving back to. our spot? Is this too far?" You kind of want to.

get a feel. You may be at I'm just. making up. You may be at 20. Well, I know this, the year we took. Josh, okay, we were at 21 and 22 and I was. calling knowing, you know, well ahead of. time, hey, we we were going to need to. get into the top 10. I'm calling teams. and no one was interested in falling all. the way back to 21. So, I traded a player with Cincinnati. and went from 21 to 12 and now teams. were interested in moving. You know, we.

ultimately went from 12 to seven. I. don't think I could have got that deal. on draft day going all the way from 21. to seven. So, you kind of get a feel of. if those teams up there, however far you. want to go, are they willing to drop. back as far as you are? Whether it's. three spots or whether it's 15 spots. Yeah, there's little deal makers out. there. I like what we're doing in real. time. Speaking of time, Shraegs has the. last question for you. By the way, that. Cordy Glenn deal, I think I broke that. one. >> [laughter]. >> Let's let's let's ask about the the. change in the draft because that brings.

up a big point here. It used to be 15. minutes, then it was 10 minutes, but now. it's eight minutes for first round. picks. Meaning you kind of got to be a. little quicker and a little bit more. nimble. What does that do to a GM and. how does that affect you when you're on. the clock? All right. Listen, at the end of the. day, it's one realm that you're doing. and we speed it up to the second, you. know, to seven minutes in in the second. round. You're prepared. We've been. preparing for all this. So, I don't at the end of the day, I know. it's a TV production and all that. I I I. don't see any issue with it. I think.

you're going to kind of know ahead. Like. if you're if you're wanting to trade up. or or if I'm sitting at 26 and I think I. want to trade back. Like I'm lining, you. know, for the most part those up. It. doesn't mean when you get on the clock. that you don't check with a couple teams. before you make a move either make a. pick or take another move. You have to have your ducks in a row. You can't sit there for 5 minutes. before you start that process of making. a trade, but I don't I don't see it. impacting it really Shrags. Okay. You.

going to win a Super Bowl or not, dude? [laughter] I'm sick of it. That's the goal, buddy. That's the plan. That's the plan. You're too good at. golf. You might have to get worse at. golf. I don't know how it's going to go. I. don't know how it's going to go. You're. so good at golf. So good at golf. Not. really. Not really. Yes, he is. Foxy, will you speak for the the congregation. here, Foxy? >> Yeah, Brandon Bean's incredible at golf. He will hit a four iron straight down. the middle, driver straight down the. middle. He will chip it on close and he. will make that putt. He is absolutely. nails.

>> Yeah, he's been doing it since he's like. a kid. Just ride the bike to the golf. course. Let me play like a 90-year-old. and then he starts smoking the ball. He's a player. This guy's a real stick. And tomorrow night we'll see if he can. get one pick, maybe two picks closer. to that Lombardi. We appreciate the hell. out of you, Beano. Good luck tomorrow. All right, buddy. Thanks, guys. See you. >> Thanks, Beano. Beano. Stepping away from. the draft, let's head to the playoffs. Not the NHL because it's tough to talk. about that without having to bring up. that the Flyers are just. dismantling the Pittsburgh Penguins and.

I don't like it. Sure. Only time. We're on the glass watching that ass get. kicked the other night. And I'll say it, the Flyers bigger, stronger, faster, more talented. Yeah. That's normally a. pretty good little recipe to win. >> Yeah, that stuff matters. That's tough. Sid can't just play all five positions. >> I wish he could. >> People aren't happy with Tanguay on the. internet. No, they're not. They need to. relax. Tanguay's done a lot of good. He. is the least of our worries. Nah, he is. one of our worries, but he is not the. least of our worries. He'll get it. figured out. Let's go to the NBA. Ladies.

and gentlemen, joining us now is a dude. who obviously we all love. 15-year NBA. veteran, NBA champ, STUN. KENDRICK PERKINS, WHERE ARE PERKINS. WHERE ARE YOU? >> [laughter]. >> SEE IT? HEY, I'M I'M IN THE NY, PAT. How How's the neck doing, man? That's. what I'm saying. I see the neck brace. off. How's the neck doing? Everything. good? >> my scans back. My C2, C3, C4, and C5 all. 100% somehow. It might have been just in. my mind that I maybe had a broken neck, but I'm happy that the doctors here in.

Pittsburgh, UPMC, took care of me. And. thank you for checking in on me, Perk. I. was in a bad spot out there. I saw you. You was in the club with 50. You wasn't [laughter] too bad. You. wasn't too bad. You was in the club with. 50. You wasn't too bad. >> 50, Cam'ron, Tony Yayo, Unk Murda was in. there. I mean, we were doing it. It was. back It was 2005 in there. Bam bam. >> [laughter]. >> Bam bam. Bam bam. Bam bam. I mean, it felt like I was 18 years old.

again. Anyways, let's talk about the. NBA. We only got 6 minutes. It's on us. Thank you for joining us. Uh feels like. the NBA had a big bounce back in game. two of all the different serieses. Who. caught your eye this weekend? What do we. need to uh potentially change our. opinions on in your eyes? Ooh. Uh you know what? Man, I would say. I got to go TOWARDS THE LAKERS. >> OKAY. BRON'S GOING TO WIN ANOTHER ONE. NO. NO. NO. NO. We're not go that far.

It's more so is is more so an indictment. on the Houston Rockets and how horrible. they are. When you think about the. position that they're in, now you get. back Kevin Durant and last night was a. complete embarrassment. Marcus Smart. showed up. Luka Doncic is looking like. the second coming of Larry Bird for some. reason in this series. And you have. Jackson Hayes who numbers didn't pop out.

box score wise is out out played Alperen. Sengun. And when I say out played him. Jackson Hayes was he did a lot of little. things that was like winning plays. yesterday and it raised a concern and. put a big a bigger uh scope on the. Houston Rockets and how disconnected and. dysfunctional they really are. Okay, so. let's talk about your comment about. LeBron at the beginning of this series. I know you're turning it on to the.

Houston Rockets being ass and everything. like that, but at one point you said if. LeBron's able to do this at this stage. of life get this first series against. the Rockets goat conversations over. We've had what seemingly is 15 guys who. play in the NBA are all from Chicago. They have all come on our show and they. just biased opinions like the goat. conversation is over. 41 years old doing. what he's doing worthy of the respect. that he's getting all across the board. right now. It feels like people are. finally feeling okay giving him a little. bit of love for what he's doing right.

now. And rightfully so look. Bron and I AAU. battled in AAU played on the same team. with the Oakland Soldiers McDonald's. All-Americans together drafted together. He is still going and I'm in the next. chapter of my life. Okay, [laughter] he is still going and I'm in. the next chapter of my life and. doing it at the highest level. Can you. explain to me how 41 year old got got.

this 20 his 23rd year in the NBA is. still looking like a top five player in. the NBA. That's what he looked like last. night. Now I get it. My guy Q Rich he. was on here a week ago and I I know how. Q Rich stands. You you could just go. look at his IG page and when he posts. all his shipments of Jordans that he get. in every month and he you know he go. stand ten toes down with MJ. My guy Sub. was on here. He's from the Chi. We know.

he going to stand 10 toes. Although he. won a championship with LeBron, >> [laughter]. >> which is kind of crazy to me. But. listen, what LeBron is doing right now, I just. you just have to I I sit back in my. hotel room last night and I was just. like, "Man, this just is unreal." When. he rejected that screen and roll and. went down the lane, this play right. here, and rocked the cradle, he didn't. have to show off like that. But that. what he did that he did that for the. neighborhood. He did that for the.

neighborhood. >> and the Oakland soldiers, you know, yeah, back there doing it. Okay, we got. like 2 minutes left on this. We have to. hit something other than LeBron. Go. ahead, D-Byrd. >> Yeah, I'm going to the East. We got the. betting favorite Celtics. They took a L. to the 6ers yesterday. VJ Edgecombe. stepped up. Maxey stepped up. Are you. concerned with the Celtics at all coming. out of the East now? Absolutely not. Hell no. You know why? Because listen, the Celtics shot 13 for. 50 from the three-point line. They're.

not going to shoot that that poorly. again. And look, VJ Edgecombe, he cut. them everywhere but loose. He had the. game of his life. 30 points, 10 rebounds. in the Garden. That's a hard thing to. do. The one thing I will not do is. question the Joe Mazzulla system. Like, this is their offensive system. The one. thing I will not question is is that is. Derrick White and and Jaylen Brown. They. will lock in and they will be better. defenders in game three. So, Tyrese.

Maxey, VJ Edgecombe, Paul George, they. did their thing. They stole a game on. the road, but I'm not concerned about. the Celtics. They have the most. championship experience in the East. >> Huge day yesterday for the underdogs in. the NBA, which has been abnormal this. season. Maybe the playoffs, just like we. thought, are heating up. Shout out to. the NBA. Shout out you, Perk. We wish. you were here in Pittsburgh. Maybe next. time and thank you for everything. brother. All you got to do is send the. invite Pat. I don't want to hear that Perk.

Sick of that. I'm sick of you talking. like that. Ladies and gentlemen THAT'S. KENDRICK PERKINS. HE SHOULD BE HERE. He's big NFL draft guy. Nah, just him. and Iran. Yeah, he's good vibes. Now. he's a slow mover though. >> [laughter]. >> He does not walk fast. >> No, he doesn't. Those old school basketball guys. >> We're slow talking. We're slow moving. But the vibes. through the roof. Immaculate. Love Perk. Love that he's back. Shout out to the. NBA. Shout out to you Shrek too brother.

Guys, can't wait for tonight and. tomorrow. Oh yeah, tonight's a big one. Awesome night tonight. >> Hey, you're going to have to get through. some adversity to get to the building. But it's worth it. Big time. I'm willing to navigate. Turn over. there. We appreciate it. It's right. there. Came and sign centers on the. other side. It's hard to get in here. though. They got everything shut down. Hosting an event there. You know, event. event says people are coming. Turns out they want no people coming. We'll make it happen. It's the football. time. We're back on the other side. Be a. friend tell a friend something nice.

We have an opportunity to give away. $75,000. to a giving Daniel Villaseñor. Absolutely. You're a sophomore correct? Yeah. What is your major? Civil. engineering. Okay, so what's that mean? What is civil engineering? Uh. I don't really know. Have you ever. kicked a ball before? I have. I have. And wait, were you a soccer player? Soccer player, yeah. Okay, how were you. at kicking soccer balls? Pretty good? >> I was okay. I was good. Have you ever. said anything negative about football.

kickers? Maybe once or twice. DANIEL! DAMN DANIEL, WE DON'T NEED THAT. YOU. MAKE A FIELD GOAL HERE FROM 33 yards. uphill. You're the civil engineer, you'd. have to tell me. I think it's about a 40. yard kick. If you're able to do that, we. will give you $75,000. All right. He's got no laces. Yeah, what do we got. going here? Can we get a Can we get a. shot of the shoes? What time Yeah, a. shot of the shoes. >> Daniel showed up in his Vans with no. laces. What time did you get here for. this? About 11:40 last night. >> You need a lot of power.

GOOD LUCK, DANIEL. I'M NOT FEELING IT. NOT FEELING IT. >> [screaming]. >> JUST LIKE EVERYTHING THIS MORNING, THAT. was a surprise. We did not expect that. Let's [laughter]. go. We got to do one more shot. One more. kick. for $100,000.

>> [cheering]. >> Let's go. How about this, Daniel? How about this, Daniel? Not only is this one for. $100,000, if you make it, we'll add another. $100,000. to the $500,000. donation we're about to make from. College GameDay to the hurricane relief. It could be $600,000 if you make this. with $100,000 going into your pocket. Daniel, this is bigger than you. Let's. make a kick. >> WE WE DON'T OVERCOME the shoes here. That was a heck of an effort.

Come on, you got this. In Berkeley, California. >> YOU GOT IT. BOTTOM LINE. HELL YEAH. >> [cheering]. >> GREAT JOB. DAMN, DANIEL. DAMN, DANIEL. All right. >> [cheering].

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Schefter. Baby Schefty. >> Now, that's an entrance. That's an. entrance. >> Schefty, will you break this news. tomorrow, 7:00 p.m. to start. the draft spectacular, this seventh. annual draft spectacular? We will be. running the Football Town, which is the. movie that NFL Films pieced together. alongside Lionsgate Film, I do believe. I think Skydance was probably involved. Pittsburgh Steelers were involved. And I. was the one that was chosen somehow to. voice it over. An honor of a lifetime. I've only seen the first 5 minutes of.

it. I'll be. >> it? I'll be watching all of it tonight. at the Rangos uh giant theater that the. Carnegie Science Center has. This movie. was made for the Science Center, literally for the theater that we're. going to. It's massive screen. So, we're. having a little event tonight to watch. it. It'll be my first time seeing it. Pretty emotional when I saw the first 5. minutes. Uh they sent me over as a. teaser. The fact that I'm a part of it. was pretty emotional day for me, actually, cuz there's so many people. from Pittsburgh that could obviously be. the voice of this particular thing. Tells the story of Pittsburgh. Tells the. story of our people. Tells the story of.

everything that these hills are about. And uh we'll be playing it live tomorrow. uh to kick our Thursday to No, yeah, it. is tomorrow. Yeah. >> Jeez, it's already Wednesday. >> I know. That'll be tomorrow to kick off. the draft spectacular at 7:00 p.m. So, we're very thankful for the opportunity. We'll be watching it tonight. And uh. yeah, I think it'll be a good little. precursor for what's about to come here. in Pittsburgh as the next generation of. draft picks get announced. Uh Tone Diggs. is here. Ty Schmit is here. A.J. Hawk is. here. Darius Heyward-Bey is here. Schefter, that's who you will be. speaking to on this particular stage.

Let's talk about the draft. Let's talk. about some moves that are potentially. being made. Right now, what are you. doing with your life? We just talked to. Bino. Bino's gone through some mocks, trying to figure out what he could. potentially have to do. Schrager just. launched his last mock into the sun this. morning at ESPN.com. So, he's getting a. lot of follow-up there. What are you. doing on this day and what do you think. we need to keep an eye out for? You. know, it was about this very time last. year I got a call that the trade between. the Browns and Jaguars was being. discussed. It was like literally at this. time somebody called me like, "You free.

about 12:30?" I'm like, "Yeah, I'm. free." And you don't forget these things. and every year there are events that. happen that you're not expecting. It. could be a video of a prospect that's. unveiled with a gas mask. It could be. a trade that comes down that you get. wind of in the works 24 hours in. advance. It could be that we're trying. to figure out where a certain. quarterback is going to go and lo and. behold he goes in the fifth round with. the 144th overall selection to the. interest of everybody. You never know.

exactly what is going to turn into the. story of that draft and that is waiting. to be written in this particular draft. We We We We just don't know what it's. going to be yet. And so, honestly, I've made some calls, calls coming in. We'll see where it goes. We're just waiting to see which is the. issue that takes off where there there. won't be say, you know, water under the. bridge like Connor likes to say, you. know, there'll [laughter] be a lot a lot of. action.

You can turn your You can turn your mic. on, Connor. I think you do have one over. there. I don't know who is in control of. that particular microphone, but only so. many seats. One of the boys has to get. up. Connor's over in the corner, has a. headset on, can chirp in at any time, I. do believe if they were to turn it on. Shut up, Shefty. There it is. Thank you. He passed out on Steel Curtain. yesterday. We have it on camera. He's. actually dead body on a roller coaster. yesterday. We're happy he's okay, actually. It's kind of a modern miracle. that he's here, to be honest. >> That's Kennywood, baby. They they. >> That That is Kennywood football and. always delivers just like you do, Schefter. Okay, so you're saying the pen.

is yet to write the story of this. particular draft. >> Correct. Is there any inklings on what. it could be? Could be a team trading a. player like A.J. Brown, I know it's not. until June 1st, but is there any other. potential trades that are maybe being. cooked that we could foresee? Are there. any players that maybe will be on the. move as somebody much like Bino just. brought up? He was at 21, he had to move. up to 12 to be able to move up to seven. to get Josh Allen, so he had to trade a. player during the draft. A lot of people. seemingly want to trade back. >> Yeah. Do we have any superstar trades. potentially on the horizon on draft day.

or any big-time announcements on draft. day ahead? Well, that that's what we're. waiting to see, right? >> Oh, so you have no idea We have no idea. Right now, you can't say there's some. huge event that is waiting to unfold. here. No, we have the draft. We have the draft. and then there are all the things that. come from that, off that. I don't know what that's going to be at. I'm I'm sure there's going to be trades. this weekend. Like could could Kayshon. Boutte get traded? That could happen. this weekend. Could Keion Coleman get. traded this weekend? That could happen.

There's always veterans that could be. traded. in a weekend like this, always. But. those wouldn't qualify as the storylines. that steal the weekend, right? It's. going to be a certain player, it's going. to be a certain team, it's going to be a. move somebody makes. That's what I'm talking about. Now, I know we've talked a lot about the. Dallas Cowboys coming up. I think they could wind up coming up, but it's. cost prohibitive to come up to a spot. like three, say. >> Yeah. I just don't know I don't know if.

that's. >> Edge rusher? What are they coming up for. if they I I think there would be two. guys that they'd come up for, Ar'vell. Reese and Sunny Styles. I think those. would be the two guys that would. interest that franchise. Are they going to be around, those. players, long enough for them. to be able to make a move to come up. high enough? >> Say it's six. Say it's six. And And? Cowboys have done. that. 2012, they trade from 14 to six to. get DB Morris Claiborne out of LSU. So. maybe the Cowboys make a similar move to. tomorrow night. That would be the.

storyline if Jerry Jones was wheeling. and dealing and For that to happen, for. that to happen, you'd have to have. Styles and Reese last till 6. I don't know that that's going to. happen. How about Caleb Downs? Caleb Downs, I think he'll be a top 10. pick. Does he go five, as high as five. to the Giants? Does he go as low as 10. to the Giants? Um I could see Sounds like Caleb. Giant, okay. I know the Giants fans want. they want Styles at five, they want. Downs at 10. I'm.

depending on how the draft goes, right? I think if Love goes three, if Arizona. can't trade out Yeah. If Arizona can't trade out and Arizona. does go Love at three. then Tennessee sitting there, I think. Styles is a logical pick there at four. So you see him go four and then Reese is. there at five. And then that's interesting. >> a question off of that. So that's what. Strek had mocked this morning. Yep. Does. that mean Thibodeaux is on the trade. block then if that happens? >> I think if they get Reese in the draft,

I think they'd be listening. Okay. I think they'd be listening. Shefty, what about the Chiefs? I know we're not. used to them so like they have two first. rounders. Is there a chance that they. try to make a splash and jump up there. for somebody? >> I had that conversation with a few. people yesterday. They have looked as. much at going back in the draft. as they have going up in the draft. Even. though they right now have nine and 29. They have made calls and gotten calls. from teams behind them. that have just checked in about coming.

up and they don't know how it's going to. go yet, right? Like which team would it. be that would come up? Um I think we're going to get a lot of. activity. in the second half of the draft. There. are a lot of teams willing to move out. Second half of the first round or the. second half of the first second half of. the first. rounders so And everybody's got their. own desire. Everybody's got their own. desire. Oh, there's a tax that could be. the story of the weekend. Who was Ed. Oliver? No. I I I don't know. I'm trying to see. what this is. What he got something. going on here. Let's see uh. >> It's just disgusting. Something. terrible. [laughter].

Uh okay. Um. Okay. I. There's going to be a whole run of. offensive lineman that come off the. board tomorrow night. A whole run. What. are you looking at me for like that, Pat? >> I just looked over your shoulder. I was. looking at your phone. Over under seven. and a half. >> I feel like I saw a lot of things. Seven. and a half? I take the over on that. Offensive lineman I I would as well. Over. There's seven tackles plus Bega. from Penn State. >> How about corners? What's the over. under? Uh four and a half. Four and a half? That's interesting. >> That's very And it's Everybody thinks. that's real high. The The under is minus.

700. So Oh, okay. Why don't they move. the line? >> they think I assume they think four's. going to go so they can't make it three. and a half cuz then you they would just. have to make the over of three and a. half minus. >> Are we getting a crown there? Cuz we're. of age. Culton Heard I think I think. he'll go. Mansour Delane? Mansour Delane. me no. I think that Demond. Uh McCoy. Demond McCoy. Does he fall? >> Demond McCoy. Chris Johnson? Chris Johnson has a chance. Who's the. Who would be the fifth? When they say. four and a half, who's the fifth corner?

It would Pounds? Pounds. >> Pounds. Pounds. Pounds does pound people. >> Like Like if I saw Pounds play, I'd die. I'D SAY. POUNDS. Um. I'm blanking on it right now. Chris Johnson. Uh. maybe Antoine Terrell or something like. that. But he's kind of fallen back. And for why don't you figure You're the. one that's supposed to be giving these. answers. I I I I I think I think uh Hope. he goes. Offensive line will be the most drafted. position in the first round. I I Wait,

that's a lot of cornerbacks. Four and a. half. That's why it's That's why under. is minus 700. That seems high to me. A. little high. But it's such a coveted. position. It is a coveted position. Quarterback. coveted position as well. Everybody's. telling me Ty Simpson's a cardinal. Uh. It wouldn't be a shock if that happened. I think going in, that's the most likely. scenario. But I will say this, last year. we would have thought that Shedeur. Sanders going to the Pittsburgh Steelers. was probably the most likely scenario. The New York Giants. It didn't happen. that way. So, you know, teams aren't.

showing their full cards to you. You. don't know exactly There's a lot of. noise in the echo chamber that we're all. hearing. People are hearing the same. things and you know, and. what I love is Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, the moment of truth. We get to. see if the Cardinals really are into Ty. Simpson like a lot of people think they. would have some level of interest. >> You are the echo chamber though, aren't. you? I I You and Shrags and Daniel. Jeremiah and Rappaport teammate. and. Baldinger, you guys are kind of the echo.

chamber. We've asked you about this. every single year, like how do you know. you're not getting played just for draft. week? And you go I think I build up. relationships with these people that. they won't just lie to me. Isn't that. kind of the case though? Cuz everybody. just assumes. that the game of the draft now cuz. everybody kind of understands the draft. a little bit more, is that people are. working. And the way they're working is. getting messages and narratives out and. everything like that. And that would be. through you. You have to really monitor. that, don't you? I mean, we're talking. about like careers and public stories I. I feel like You want to you say I don't. want to have to go ahead and tell you.

about my credibility. >> No no no no no. I'm not I just feel like. people are going to talk to you and the. things that they want to hold close to. the vest, they just won't share. They're. just not going to tell you sometimes. But they're not going to lie. I I I. don't think they're lying. What about CJ. Stroud? What was that uh score? Uh the. that test yeah S2 Yeah, S2 test. It kind. of disappeared a bit. >> It did it has stopped kind of being. talked about. But those things that are. kind of leak, like the negative stuff, do you like if it's coming to you. and you're picking and choosing on what. you want to break. Do you have to think.

like, "Woah, this might be a ploy right. here to potentially get something." You. Does that make sense? I don't know if. that. >> Yeah yeah yeah no. exactly what you're. saying. Um. Yeah, I I I think you have to be. selective. There's a lot of stuff you. hear all the time. about players, and I would say almost. always I don't use the majority of it. I I just kind of hold on to it because I. always feel like these players should go. where they're going to go. And then. after. Like I remember as an example, Shaq Lawson Rex was coach. I think Rex. was coaching there. I knew he needed. shoulder surgery. They drafted him. I.

popped on the camera. I'm like, "Hey, uh they drafted a guy, great talent, has a chance to be He's going to need. shoulder surgery here uh at some point. in the near future.". And they asked Rex about it. He's like, "You don't need no shoulder surgery." A. week later he had the shoulder surgery. >> [laughter]. >> I mean, yeah, I want these young men who have worked. so hard for this moment go where they. are. Like, so if you're hearing things, and there are a lot of things you hear a. lot of different people, I I I I don't I generally speaking don't. use that stuff. >> I appreciate that. I think as a former.

player I appreciate that. By the way, cuz if the team didn't find that out, why are you, ESPN insider, being the one. doing the research reveal? This is on. you. Is it your job now a precedent. every single year that you have to tell. everybody about every I mean, that would. be a weird precedent. I like that you. did that for him. Thank you for doing. Now, did you do that for Alec Pierce on. our free agent frenzy? >> Yeah, I I I I I knew I knew that he. needed ankle surgery. >> Did you really? But I don't want to do. anything to damage his earning power. with Indianapolis. Of course. And so we. left it alone.

You actually knew he needed. that that ankle surgery? I might HAVE KNOWN. >> [laughter]. >> YOU LET ME DO A FULL DANCE, didn't I? Open the show. I did a full song and. dance. >> be fine. Did you tell me. >> Three months, you tell me? Did you tell. me that you were coming I told you to. use that information right away WITH THE. CONTRACT? >> I DID. >> OH, YOU DID. OKAY. [laughter] OKAY. AND. ALSO, other times other times I put the. eyeballs out. I think I think I make it. very clear whenever I know something's. happening. Okay? So, maybe turn on the.

noties, pal. okay for those particular. tweets as you potentially Oh, we have. something here. Oh, oh, oh. >> Send it out. Send a tweet. Oh, boy. Stephen Jones just announced that they. will make George Pickens play under the. tag this year and that there'll be no. long-term deal. That's not good. Oh, here. By the way, here we go. There is. one storyline for the week. >> That's a big one. Okay, cuz if they're. going to trade and move. >> trade him though? Is he a trade. candidate during the draft? Yeah, if.

they want to move up high. Right? If. they No, no, hold on. You can't trade George Pickens without. him signing the franchise tender. And. he's not going to sign it unless he. agrees to go somewhere else that would. potentially reward him. >> So, he could definitely get traded. So, they got 8 minutes to figure that out. somewhere. >> He Well, he Why wouldn't he sign if he's. pissed at them for not giving an. extension? He could easily sign that, say, "Yeah, ship me out of here. I want. a long-term deal from someone else.". >> Who's his agent? Adisa Mungazi? Yeah, Adisa Mungazi. Adisa Mungazi is his. agent? >> Yeah, believe so. He'll get a deal. before he gets signed or traded. Yeah.

George Pickens' bank account's about to. be gigantic. And this news right here. just kind of certified that for me cuz. now there's a opportunity for there to. be a little competition for his thing. Congrats to George Pickens, okay? Hell yeah. Maybe. Huh? Maybe. I mean, that's as you're. playing under the tag. And Adisa Mungazi. is his agent. >> Yeah. Yeah, Jerry So, I would tell you. he is. not playing under a tag. Yeah, I think. >> That's what I That's kind of what I'm. saying. I don't He might not play. football this year. Oh, he'll play football. He'll play.

football somewhere and I think he's. going to get paid somewhere probably if. I had to guess. And I think Jerry who. says, "We got Micah. He's one football. player." Uh-huh. "We trade him, we're. able to get more football players.". You see? That's Jerry's That's how Jerry. does it. >> "They got Micah, we don't, we tied.". Yeah. Okay, I don't know how much more I. got to say. He'll do that with George, too. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, he'll do it with George. You don't want to play your franchise. tag? It's a lot of money. You don't want to be a cowboy? They'll. trade him. Will they not? Uh I'm going. to say this to you right now also. >> Okay, yeah. You're journalism here. We.

are punditry right now. >> Yes. I feel like George getting traded. to somewhere else. Bulaga gets his the. agent. There's no way he's going to play. under a franchise tag. So, there's no. way he's going to take a year off. So, that sounds like George. >> traded a third-round pick from last. year. Mhm. And there was not a lot of. teams out there that was that were. willing to compensate the Steelers. So, what can you get back for a player. that right now isn't going to be signed. to a long-term deal? Again, this just. became the first interesting storyline. of draft week right here as we're.

sitting here with Stephen Jones saying. that. Um and so, that brings back up the. possibility if we go back to draft about. 5 years ago, Dallas Cowboys had other. needs. CD Lamb was sitting there. They. had at that time Amari Cooper and. Michael Gallup playing wide receiver and. they took CD Lamb cuz he was the best. player on the board. They'd love to go. defensive players, but I will say this, I think they'll like Jordan Tyson, too. And if Jordan Tyson were to make it to. 12, that would be an interesting. decision for the Dallas Cowboys to have. to make. >> Yeah, especially cuz for top 30 visits,

they brought in about every defensive. player they could for that could. potentially go in the first round. George Pickens can get open, right? Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. George Pickens potentially on the move. with the news that he is going to be. asked to play under the franchise tag, which we just assumed would not happen. By the way, and I I love this. It's one. of my favorite things about doing the. show. NFL executive texts me right now. Must be watching the show. I would bet. my life savings on under four and a half. quarterbacks. Okay. [laughter] Okay. All.

right. Okay. Okay. >> One of them I thought trading Stukes, so. I know you are you are a big fan of. Shante. Maybe he sneaks in the last one, but yeah, everyone's thinking under. four. >> I guess president President Bill Clinton. showed up at the Cowboys pre-draft press. conference. >> Really? I guess he just popped his head. in as they were kind of doing their. thing. Uh from my understanding, this is. what Ari Meirov has tweeted. Yep. There. he is. The hell's he doing there? President Bush was at the Boca game last. night. >> Yeah, I saw that. The Rangers? >> Yeah. Yeah, I believe I was watching. that. Uh President Clinton just walked. into the Dallas Cowboys pre-draft uh.

press conference. I wonder if he's. making any decisions here. A lot of. news. A lot of news happening over. there. Okay, let's uh let's ask uh some. more information out of the man who has. all the information. Uh Deebo has a. question for you, Shep. >> want to ask you, you talked about the. the Cleveland-Jacksonville trade kind of. brewing up at this point in time. How. much has it changed for you and how. business I mean how the teams operate. behind the scenes leading up to the. draft as far as action, trades, information, all this. How much has it. changed, I'd say, in the last 20 years.

in 2006 and now 2023? >> Well, I I think that teams have begun to. operate knowing that as soon as. something's in place, they know that. it's not going to be long before it's. out there. And part of these discussions. is figuring out how you're going to. handle the fallout once it gets out and. how it's going to get out and when it's. going to get out. So, I just think with. all the attention, that may be the only. change, but And there are more trades. than ever before, by the way. I think. there have been so far this year since. the. uh start of the new league year when we. were in Indianapolis, 23 trades. More. trades this year.

from the start of the league year till. now than ever before. So, I think teams. are more willing to make trades. There's. more. um. uh. people are used to making these trades. They're preparing for these trades and. the fallout that comes along with them. It's just a much busier time. How do you think uh Goodell's going to. do tomorrow? Got any tidbits on how he's. going to speak? Is he really flowing. right now? Chest bumps and good daps, you think, with all the players? >> You know, I'll say this, this morning, I. could not sleep. I was just kind of. wired. Yeah. So, I went Of course. Same. Went went to the gym about 5:15 this.

morning. No big deal. No big deal. 5:30. There's only one guy in there. 225. Uh. actually, a couple of guys. AJ at 227, I. heard. Roger Goodell. Okay. Wow. >> In there. Did you spot a different. hotel? >> him on the bench? >> AJ was in there at 4:30. Yeah, they. don't put us in He was done. AJ was. done. He was coming and gone. They don't. put us in your guys' hotel. That's what. I've learned over the last couple trips. >> Yeah, definitely not. Keep them in. there. >> [snorts]. >> Oh, Rodgers is at this hotel? Let's put. them in that one. It sounds like I think. we're in the opposite hotel normally of. where. >> Yeah. ESPN.

royalty. >> Yeah, there you go. As well. Smart. decision. Smart decision, by the way. I didn't know that the hotel that we're. staying in existed. I should have been. staying in that hotel since the day I. left Pittsburgh. It's a good hotel. >> I was staying in Super 8s and I. was staying in shitty hotels. >> of. on you. I mean, there's a Westin down here I. stayed in once or twice. This hotel we're in, history. We're. we're we're the place Yeah, I know where. you are. Beautiful. My senior prom was. there. Wow. How'd it go?

Not great. >> [laughter]. >> Building was immaculate. It is a we I like I've learned a lot. about Pittsburgh history that I didn't. know. before coming here for this draft week. And then also with the football at town, which you're coming to today, right? I. am. Can't wait to see you there. Hopefully. by then you have a little more. information. Hopefully. Under four and a half quarterbacks looks. good. >> [laughter]. >> Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Adam Schefter. ADAM SCHEFTER.

I IT WAS A crazy ride there looking over. his shoulder. >> Thanks, Schefty. You know what I mean? I bet. >> Thanks, Schefty. >> What did you see? So, what he said Yeah, what was. Just like before he opened he's trying. to open up another conversation right. now. He just knocked Coach Saban's. bottle out of his Bonk bonked heads. almost. >> Yeah, he did absolutely in this entire. thing. He I looked the the combos before. he went into the So, I could only see. the first sentence of a lot of different. combos. I'm like, wow, is that what it's. like all everything? >> and he's Just the amount of people that. are just kind of getting.

>> And he's got to have name, affiliation, >> team, >> it's got to cuz so many And the first. sentence it felt like it was a lot of. Schefty outs. Yeah. Okay. It felt like. there There a lot of lines. in the water. You know, how we doing? How we doing? A lot of those types of. things, but he's definitely working. He's big game hunting right now. >> Yeah, he right now he's asked coach. Saban, "Hey, Ty, you hearing anything. about. >> [laughter]. >> which is what we're about to do in a. matter of seconds." Yeah, Connor's. listening in literally right there next. to him. Yep. Connor boots on the ground. in the conversation between Schefter and. ladies and gentlemen joining us now.

is a man who's considered the greatest. of all time in college football. When. it's all said and done, he might be. considered the greatest television. personality of all time as well. He. sells Benzos. He sells. Lambos. >> Lambos. Yeah, Benzos, Ferraris probably. He's maybe the most sought-after speaker. Not those. in the entire United States. of America. He owns the Nashville. Predators. >> What? Ladies and gentlemen, an icon of a.

man. Somebody that we are lucky enough. to call a friend of the program. He. looks lean. He looks mean. He looks tan. He's the man on College GameDay's draft. coverage on ABC. Schefter's relentless. >> Oh, yeah, this conversation is like it's. CLOSE TO OVER. >> NICK SABAN.

>> [laughter]. >> THERE HE IS. YOU'RE THE MAN. GOT YOU GUYS some drunks. over here. >> [laughter]. >> Lads, lads, lads, lads, lads, good to. see you guys. They're ready. They're. doing it already. I love it. That's the. draft. Hey, you uh here, let me fix that. Yeah, Schefty had the same issue. Boom.

All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Hey, Schefty was pretty relentless right. there. Wait till you hear the intro I. just gave you. I had to fill and fill. and fill and fill cuz he was killing you. over there. Was he asking about Ty. Simpson cuz I want to ask about Ty. Simpson. Ty Simpson number two. quarterback in the draft everybody. thinks. Everybody thinks he's going to. Arizona, but they're saying he's not. worth the high pick so they think. they're going to come in the tail end of. the draft. How do you feel about Ty. Simpson? How do you feel about kind of. this entire draft process for him? And. what do you think stands out for him to. maybe says he is going to be a great.

Sunday guy? Well, I think Ty Simpson is. a guy that didn't play as much in. college as a lot of these quarterbacks. as they develop. So, he's only played. what 15 games or whatever. And I think. maturity would be the word that I would. say is important in the development of. his game. I think he can throw it well. enough. I think he's athletic enough. Uh. decision-making, processing, drifting in. the pocket. I mean, things that you can. improve on with experience cuz maturity.

is nothing more than making the right. decision at the right time. And that. comes with experience and repetition. He. doesn't have enough of that. But he will. get it and I think be a very good. player, but he needs to go someplace. where he has a chance to develop and not. play right away. That's just my opinion. But let's talk about every quarterback. maybe needing that and the greats of the. past outside of Payton. Payton has the. rookie interception record, but Tom was. behind somebody. Aaron's behind. somebody. Was Drew. Brees? Uh he.

Second round. No, Phil was Huh, I don't. know. Whatever the case. There's a lot. of case studies that say if you're able. to watch somebody do it, you'll be able. to get better. But there's also. conversation about we needs reps. He. needs reps. Like Anthony Richardson, whenever he got drafted number four. overall to the Indianapolis Colts, there. was a lot of talk about him never. playing football. Like really never. playing football before. We've seen the. highlights. That's all he's played. football. So, they're talking about. well, he needs mature maybe he needs to. watch somebody, but then he also needed. reps. It's kind of a I don't know. I.

don't know what the right answer is. I. genuinely don't know what the right. answer is. You would know better than. me, but I like somebody seeing it first. before they get to go do it. Now, that. turns to. Fernando Mendoza. Okay. Tell me about. him going to Las Vegas and seemingly. going to start after Kirk Cousins gets. in there. Do you think that is a. sustainable style of play the way. Fernando plays? Everybody talks about. the option that he did in off RPO. stuff in college. For some reason it. hasn't been like a hey, this guy is a. guy. Condo, what are your thoughts on.

Fernando? >> I'm big on making comparisons. So, you. go through the scenarios where. quarterbacks got to sit behind somebody. and I think the biggest failure rate in. the NFL is because quarterbacks play. before they should. But, if you look at. the three guys two years ago, Caleb makes an impact in Chicago. Guy. makes a big impact in Washington. Guy. makes a big impact. Drake makes a big. impact in New England. So, those guys. played pretty much right away and.

improved dramatically quickly. But, a. lot of failures in the NFL play before. they're ready at the position, lose. their confidence, and then Over. >> go to pot. It's over. So, I do think if you were going to compare. Fernando, you would say he fits more. into comparing him to those three guys. we just talked about than he does to. some of these other guys. He would be in. the conversation if he was in that. draft. And I agree with you on the RPOs. And but, the guy is sneaky athletic,

doesn't look athletic, but probably. better than he is. He's accurate. throwing the ball. He's smart. He's a. good decision-maker. And he's accurate. So, those things are. really, really important in my opinion. And I think he's got the right mindset. And he's improved a lot through his. college career. So, I'm not saying he. won't have some. bumps in the road. All right? But, I. also think that he could be pretty damn. good. has. >> with the boys too. I think that's a big. deal. No question.

>> think that is a big deal. And and I. assume a Cali maybe wasn't doing that. cuz he talked about how he had to grow. as a leader and everything like that. Beers with the boys is a huge sign of. success in my eyes, especially if you're. able to perform on the field. And he's. tough as Feels like he is wildly. tough. I like Fernando a lot. I like him. a lot, but there seemingly hasn't been. like a parade for him coming in here as. the number one overall pick outside of. the Raiders organization. Yeah, well, but but I also think that that. quarterback position is always going to. get pushed up if there's a good one. So, you could always kind of make an.

argument maybe for that. But I'm with you on the leadership part. of it because I think quarterback is the. is the position that's hardest to play. if you don't have good players around. you. So, if you're not a quarterback. that takes responsibility for being a. leader to impact the other players on. your team, then I think you're hurting. yourself. And I'm so far from my You hear coach? You hear that? Yeah. Oh mama, I can hear.

>> Oh, they're going to play that when. they're on the clock, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah, that's supposed to be the plan. Oh, so you know. You Oh, you probably. got a little run through on how this. draft going Are you excited for the game. day draft? How how prepped are you? You. You prep You over prep for everything. So, whenever there is potentially How. many days are you doing this? How many. days are you doing the draft? First and. second. Okay, so that's technically. what? 64 picks? Quick math. Uh no. Second has how many picks? There's three. rounds. Second day three rounds. First. and I knew that. I'm doing the second. and third picks on Friday. I knew that.

Obviously, I knew that. Okay, so that's. what? 96 picks total? You did research. for what? 500 guys? How How do you feel? >> [laughter]. >> I probably looked at 150 guys. And and I'd I'd look at them just like. if I was. at the Dolphins or the Browns or or. And I still have the sheet that we used. to evaluate them on, critical factors. and all that stuff, and put all the. information on one sheet. Try to. condense it.

So, um. but there's always guys that pop up. that. you didn't do. I'm bummed out that our. draft spectacular happens at the same. time that you're on there. We'll watch. on Friday night get to do it. I assume. you crush the draft coverage. I mean, you're perfect for it. Depot has a. question for you. >> Yeah, you talked about you being big on. comparisons cuz you've been around so. many great players. I want to ask you an. example of yours from the past, maybe a. player you coached in college that when. they went to the NFL, they kind of hit. another level because the the NFL game. was more geared to their talents. Any. personal uh players that you've had that.

experience with? And then, is there a. guy that you see in this draft maybe. that will get drafted and really take. off at the next level? Well, I think Jahmyr Gibbs is one of. those guys that he was a really good. player at Alabama. Good receiver. Productive. But I mean, when he went to the Lions. >> Oh, yeah. he was he did more for their. team, and he played great for us. I. don't mean this in a negative way. >> No, no, no. >> did for our team. >> Yeah, he became the guy. I mean, he. became the guy.

Um I see Jeremiah Love as a weapon. that. you know, maybe at Notre Dame he did. great things, but on an NFL team, cuz. he's could be such a good receiver and a. runner and used in so many ways. I mean, you don't have to just play him in the. backfield. You could put him out there. and make him a wideout. So, I I I think that guy is a guy that. you know, could What about Caleb. >> do those kind of things. Caleb Downs. Well, Caleb Downs made more plays at. plays in college than anybody in the.

draft. >> [laughter]. >> All right? So, if he makes that many. plays in the NFL, I mean, what's what's. what's the capability gap? I mean, how. much You mean [laughter] we think we're. at better can he get? >> Okay, so that was like when he got to. campus. Obviously, he's gotten better. and he works his ass off and being with. you and Matt Patricia and everything. he's been able to do obviously makes him. an incredible player. A week ago the. convo was. what position is he going to be Now it's. like he's definitely going to be a top. 10 pick cuz of how talented he is. Josh. Chapman told us the day he walked onto.

your campus he was gold jacket. It was. obvious that this guy is a gold jacket. What have you seen through his college. career and what are you excited to say. about him tomorrow night whenever he. gets drafted in the first round? Well, I. would say that when he played for us as. a freshman. he would have been the first safety. taken in the draft. I mean, the guy is so instinctive. He's. got really good ability. He is a. phenomenal person and he is a football. junkie and he is just so instinctive on. the field and such a fast reactor. Now.

he plays better Everybody's questions. whether he can play in the deep part of. the field. He can play in the deep part. of the field, but when he's in the deep. part of the field and he comes downhill. he's going to. bust your ass. Yeah, he thumps. He's a. thumper. Now and the only negative I. would say to him I talked to him on the. phone the other day and it was the same. thing when he played for us. He tries to. butt him to the ground. He hits him so. hard. I said how about trying to wrap. him UP A LITTLE. >> [laughter]. >> GO AHEAD, TODD. GO AHEAD, TODD. COACH, WHAT ABOUT ANOTHER GUY. you had Cayden Proctor who I I want to.

say you only had him his freshman year. and then you retired, but early in the. draft process a lot of people you know. killed him for whatever his weight at. certain points last year. He's obviously an athletic freak when. you look at his measurables and now as. we get closer to the draft he's kind of. gaining a lot more heat. People saying. hey he he could be the first or second. tackle taken off the board. What do you expect out of him and why do. you think that kind of change has. happened this close to the draft? I think people get a little bit more.

um. tolerant of. these small issues. You know, people. look for reasons not to pick guys. All. right, that's how it starts. I mean like. players used to tell me all the time I'm. going to combine and improve my stock. Ain't improving your stock there. [laughter] They're They're looking for. reasons not to take you and they're. going to find one. So do not work out. >> [laughter]. >> So. So but anyway, but but I think the thing is this guy. is so talented, big, physical, can move,

and has power. Uh he's got range, he's. got good feet. Now the issue with him is. he's not a bad person. He'll do whatever. you ask him to do once you get him in. the building. But when he's not in the building, he might get a little overweight, he. might not come in in the best shape, and. those are the kind of things you got to. manage with him. But I think they're. manageable. In other words, he's not really a. self-starter that's going to go out.

there and, you know, get in great shape. and come to camp like you want him, but. if you can get him to come to camp if. you got him there and get him. ready to go. So I don't think that's a. huge negative for the guy. Um. and I think he's going to be a really. good player now. And if he can't play. tackle, he would be one hell of a guard. So there's no downside in taking the. guy. >> Andrew Whitworth, obviously LSU legend. alongside you, he told us at the. beginning of his career in Cincinnati he. was playing guard. And he said he was coming out of the.

huddle laughing cuz it was the easiest. thing of all time cuz bodies were just. getting sent to your way. So when you. have a tackle body and then you don't. have to go get people, they're just kind. of getting filtered to you. That's. dominance. That's why Mekhi Becton when. he moved to guard uh was such a success. That's a huge transition though for. players and like that's that's a big. part of why it's a crapshoot in the. draft because you mentioned, you know, when you're outside the building. I know. for me, I don't know about you for you, AJ, that was the biggest adjustment for. me because in college everything was so. structured. You knew when you when you.

where you need to be, when you need to. be there. And then as a pro, once that. season ends, it's kind of all on you. Okay, when do you when do you schedule. your workouts, when do you schedule. vacations, family time, all these. different things and then you got to. show up at this time of year and OTAs. and stuff and be in shape because you. don't want to be there tired of having. soft tissue or having something like. this, can't figure out and get on the. field and get those valuable reps. So, that is probably the biggest adjustment. for becoming a pro. You hear be a pro, be a pro, be a pro. It takes a lot of. guys a couple years, a few years, maybe. some good vets in the room, good coaches. to kind of really bring them along and.

teach them. That same word, maturity. >> Mhm. You know, make the right decisions. and the right situations Yeah. and. you're going to make the right choices. and decisions in those situations to put. yourself in the best chance to be. successful. Yeah. Maybe don't get. arrested on a Tuesday. happens. Yeah, it happens. This bye week, coach. >> [laughter]. >> Talking about the draft being a. like a crapshoot. First round hit rate, Hembo kind of gave us a stat. Hit rate. means second contract with the team in. which you draft. Interior offensive.

lineman, 60%. Offensive tackle, 60%. It. feels like if you're going with a big. guy, you can kind of tell if they're. going to go. Six out of 10 though. Yeah. Like that's that's not a that's not a a. definite. You know, 60% whenever they. talk about going for it on the little. graphics, they act like that's 100%. >> Right. >> It is not. That is a quarterback, less. than 50%. Linebacker, less than 50%. Edge defender, 40% roughly. Defensive. tackle, 40%. Running back, 37%. Safety, 34%. Tight end and wide. receiver both at 32%. You're not.

guaranteed a good player. And that that. that that's kind of the craziness of it. all. Yeah, especially as of late, it. feels like the. wide receivers have gotten better. This. is from 2000 to 2021. I assume if you. were to do the last seven years, maybe. six years, the hit rate on wide. receivers would be way up because of. seven-on-seven and the way everything. kind of went there. But, over the last. 21 years since the history of the draft, you everybody says that the player's. going to change their team. Being in a locker room, being a punter on special teams,

depending on a lot of these guys that. get drafted kind of. There's a lot of ass football players. somehow getting into the NFL and whether. it's off field lack of work ethic or if. it's not understanding ball at a level. in which it has to and maybe just not. physically being able to keep up with. what the NFL is. There's a lot of misses. coming out of this draft tomorrow night. and I don't think it's fair that we just. call everybody busts. It's really hard. to make it into the league even if. you're drafted in the first round and I. think that that the perspective needs to. kind of get shifted a little bit and.

everybody's just like we'll get this guy. we win a Super Bowl it's like. Stats tell us this guy ain't going to be. on your team in four years. So let's go. ahead and just remember that but also. there's a chance you find a Hall of. Famer in there. There's a chance you. find a staple and a pillar in there. which is why it's so damn special. >> Well and it's like how do you classify. bust because you know Darius Heyward-Bey. gets drafted in the top 10 and yeah he. may not have been the receiver everyone. expects but you talk glowingly about him. all the time about him being a Pro Bowl. special teamer you know so it's like. where do you where is that line defined. you know yeah by that account he wasn't.

a a Pro Bowl wide receiver but he was. crucial to you guys. >> 10 he played a long time. He went to. Pittsburgh they paid him like a lot of. money to be a teamer. Yeah but they. would consider him a bust for sure. Love. what he did though go ahead. But Yeah. Excellence is success over. time. And you know when you're a college. player. your whole goal in life is to play in. the NFL. So you have this built in. motivation. So it's about getting in the NFL or is. it about a standard of excellence once.

you get there and I think that's what. differentiates a lot of psychological. disposition that these players have. So. they don't just bust because of their. athletic ability. they bust because they don't have the. right psychological disposition to be. motivated to be what what they're. capable of being. They lose their. motivation. because they just wanted to play in the. NFL rather than being great in the NFL. and there's a difference. Oh, definitely. Definitely a difference.

between having a cup of coffee and. actually being a part of the NFL family. forever with how long you're able to. play. Do you think the NIL now that kids. are rich as teenagers changes that a. little bit? Cuz I think. used to be goal, let's get to the NFL. and get a bag. You know, get money for. the first time in our lives, especially. if you're a first rounder. AJ still My. God. >> Yeah. AJ still. Have you seen his house. in Ohio? He's number five overall pick. old old CBA. Old old CBA they gave him. Who is this? Yeah. This is his house in Ohio. Yeah. Right here because number five overall.

But nowadays these kids are making what? Six and a half million dollars some of. these first rounders are making at this. point. Is that a good thing or bad? I. think it's a good thing cuz we know what. people will do with money. Right? Don't you think that it's kind of. a That I think that is definitely. You asked me about a guy like Proctor. Mhm. You know, there would be a bigger. question in my mind if he never made any. money in college. So, how does money. affect a guy like that? Yes. That's. there's no question about that. cuz he. already has money. So, I think that's a good thing. I do. I.

think so, too. >> But I also think that there's it's kind. of a two-way street. This is one of the older. drafts because guys stay in college. longer. There's less juniors that come. out because they're making money. So, you take away the whole financial. incentive to come out early which used. to be financial which no longer exists. Does that make sense? >> Fascinatingly, yes. All right. So, now. you got some 20-year-old guys in the. draft and you got some 26-year-old guys. in the draft. I and I think that's a.

huge difference in who you want on your. team and how you want to develop them. Now, the good news is if guys are. staying in college longer, that's good. for their development because they're. obviously they're down the line guys are. going to play and develop more in. college than the opportunity they get in. the NFL. I think the NIL transfer portal. era is having a lot of ripple effects. that we're only going to continue to. see. Thank you for going to White House. and saying we got to fix this all. right? I do appreciate you doing that. AJ has a question for you, coach. Yeah, coach, you were talking about evaluating.

players. Obviously, back in college, I'm. sure you're you're evaluating these high. school guys. When you're in the pros, you're evaluating college. And you. mentioned critical factors. Like, what. are some of those critical factors you. do evaluate? Have those changed over. time? Yeah, well, the first guy that I. really learned this from was how. Belichick sort of, when I was with him, how we evaluated players. And he defined. the kind of players that we wanted in. the organization. Character, [snorts]. intelligence, size, speed. Um, and what are the critical factors to.

play that position in our system. Now, I always coached the DBs, so I'll. give you that cuz that's what I'm more. expert at. So, a guy's got to be able to. tackle, play the ball in the deep part. of the field, and play man-to-man. Those. are three critical factors. Now, you may. have 25 things that you evaluate. Quick. feet, change of direction, burst out of. a break, how do they open his hips, all. this kind of stuff, to determine those three things. But, if. you watch the film and a guy misjudges. the ball on the deep ball, Can't have. all right? Or he's missing a lot of.

tackles. Can't have When you're a DB, uh. these are all big plays. Kill you. You. know, and if you can't play man-to-man, you can't get your ass off the field on. third down. So, [laughter]. Can't have the. Walt went with it. >> So, but every position had that kind of. Now, that that's not all you looked at, but those were like killers. You know, if we got to play a guy that. can't judge a ball in the deep part of. the field at corner, he's going to give. up a lot of plays. Yeah, we we we don't want that guy. Disqualified. And and and then, you. know, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick,

they were. big people. You know, you've heard me say before on. TV, you know, football is a great game for little. people until you put a big guy in front. of them. Yep. You've heard me say that. before, right? >> oh yeah. Uh it's the same way at corner. I mean, you got a little corner and he's. playing against a big receiver. It's. like a pop that they play that in. the NBA, man. As soon as they come. across half court, if a big guy's on a. little guy, they're giving the ball to. the big guy, right? >> Yes. Same thing. Well, how do you feel.

about Pons? Feel about Pons? Pons is a. great football player. He might be pound. for pound as good a football player as. there is in the draft. But, [snorts]. he's going to have a hard time playing. corner in this league. because of matchup issues, but I think. the guy would be a really good star. Mhm. You know, Javier Arenas was that. kind of player. He played for a while in. the league, but he was a good star. He. was one of those 5'9" guys that was. explosive, powerful, good tackler, smart, aggressive, good blitzer. Pons is.

all those things. But, if you put him. out there at corner, somebody's going to. try to figure out how to take advantage. of him. Yeah, I feel like that is the. game ultimately. Uh Diba, you had you. got drafted a high second round. Belichick. Three disqualifiers I just. learned you didn't. They didn't worry about the weak ass. hands. No, I agree. >> [laughter]. >> I agree with that. They ran my workout. I actually did a workout as a corner. first, then I did a wide receiver. workout, so they knew the hands were. elite. >> Day one. Hey, believe they call Diggs. has a question for you, coach.

>> Yeah, coach, you you just brought up. coach Belichick and we had him on here. two or three years ago and his big thing. for the whole draft was sticking to your. horizontal draft board, okay? So, you. being obviously you you've looked at all. these players and you've been a coach in. the draft room and how important though. is it the dynamic with the head coach. and the GM and then sticking to the. board when you're on the clock and not. doing something stupid cuz I know. there's a lot of voices in that room. Yeah, well, I think it's really. important. I've you've heard me talk. about vertical integration in the NFL.

from the owner to the president to the. GM to the coaches to the staff, so you. get the right kind of players. If. the GM wants this kind of player and the. coach wants this kind of player, it's. not going to fit systematically and. somebody's going to get fired. Most of. the time it's the coach. All right, so. because the the the GM's sitting in the. press box telling the owner what he. wants to hear. I mean, I've been through. all [laughter] this. So. And you're on the sidelines as a coach. trying to win the game. [laughter] Yeah, of course. Good luck. Politic-ing is. always happening. Uh-huh. So it is.

critical. And and look, one thing we. never had to do in college is we just. had to say these are the five best. offensive tackles that we're recruiting. Here's the five best corners cuz we. could take more guys. Yeah. But in the. NFL having the board horizontally, is. this offensive tackle better than this. corner? And you did that by having a nine-point. grading system. This guy might be a 7.5, the corner may be a 7.2, so who we. picking? We're going to take the tackle. for value cuz he's a better player.

long-term, or we need the corner. And. those are the kind of decisions you got. to make and when you're not on the same. page, they get really hard to make. We. got some Hembo stats here on the history. or on this particular draft for most. amount of picks here. The Jets are the. only team with four top 50 picks. They. can really do some damage. I remember. they did not take David Bailey on one of. their top 30 visits. They said they knew. everything about him already. Mhm. Fascinating. The Dolphins are the only. team with more than five top 100 picks. Good luck to them. They're going to need.

them. Ain't that right, Gumpy? Sully's. at the wheel. We're good to go. Coach Saban also pulling for the. Dolphins, obviously always will be. >> be seven starters right there. Yeah, maybe could be, should be. Ha- going to. have to be probably for you guys' team. You got rid of all your good players. over the last [laughter] couple years. The Broncos are the only team without. multiple top 100 picks. Sean Payton. sitting there on the ice yesterday. Yeah. Hey, right there right there on. the ice watch-. >> nothing to do for a couple days. He. almost got glass I know. >> He almost got shards on him as he's. hanging out watching the Colorado. Avalanche who might be the real deal.

And are Preds are Preds in playoffs? Nope. We're doing I had a chance to get in, went four, five, and one in the last 10. games and missed it by, you know, two. points or however they do it in hockey. >> [laughter]. >> How'd you feel about the season? How'd. you feel about the hockey season? Were you in the building or what? >> I'm anxious to see how we can build a. program, just like we built programs in. other places and we get the right people. in the organization. It's it's kind of. exciting. Have you shot a puck yet? No, haven't been to a game yet, either. >> [laughter].

>> Can you skate? No. Have you tried? You've been to West Virginia, man. Where. would you SKATE [laughter] IN THERE? WE AIN'T GOT WHAT IS HE SPEED SKATING? THIS GUY THIS GUY IS GOING STRAIGHT DOWN. THE HILL, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO STOP. >> DUDE. They're jumping. >> [laughter]. >> Could have at some point. Can't wait to. see you at a Predators game. Uh can't wait to see you do your thing. for the draft coverage. Thank you so. much for taking time out of out of your. life to join us today. You look good. You're super fit right now, huh? You. feel good? Yeah, I'm playing a lot of golf. How's. the game? Sometimes good, sometimes bad, man.

That's a metaphor of life, that game. I. mean, you know, I mean, you hit a good. shot, you got to deal with success, you. hit a bad shot, you got to deal with. failure and focus on the next shot. And. if you don't focus on every shot, you. get punished. I mean, it's the damndest. thing. >> [laughter]. >> That's right. That's golf, baby. That's. golf, football, baby. That is golf, football. What's bad for you, though? What's bad? You said some days good, some days bad. What's bad? Oh, well, some days I can't putt, some. days I can't hit straight off the tee. What do you mean? 80? Bad? I've shot my age three times.

When's the most recent time? You've shot. 68 recently? >> About a week ago. 73. >> I'm 74 years old. Yeah, the older you. get, the easier it gets. >> [laughter]. >> Hit the number. I thought you were like. 60s. You're 74 right now? I actually shot 82 at Augusta about a. month ago. >> That's pretty god damn good. >> nine over on the front and one over on. the back. I WAS NINE. >> WOW! THE SECOND YOU DIALED IN. YEAH, I. WENT THROUGH Amen Corner one under. Wow! That's. >> four under at the turn. Did you birdie. the par three or what or did you par? Birdied the 12. Yeah. Wow! Second 12 or.

second nine, not back nine. I think you're good there forever cuz of. who you are, but if I was to get that. wrong, I'm potentially, you know what I. mean? So, let's make sure we get the. words right. Patriots They don't have. that kind of expectation for me though. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, you're a southern god. Yeah, I. understand how it works down there. As. they should. You're the man. Ladies and. gentlemen, the goat, Coach Saban. Thank. you, Coach. Thank you, guys. Good seeing y'all. again. Good seeing you, Coach. Love you, Coach. You look great.

Really good. Yeah, you guys better stand up. Yeah, boys. Good work there, boys, standing up. for the coach. Miss Amy, see you later. Great seeing you. Yeah, you're the best. Thank you so much. Feels like the draft is really starting. to heat up. We had Brett Michaels. playing earlier. We had six. See you, Coach. How about Coach See you, Coach. How. about him coming in here and just. Schefter just going, "Let me stop you. right there." Let me pick your brain for. Uh one half of the talks at the table at. Boston Conners back. You were right in. the middle of that combo. Was Schefter.

trying to get as much information as. possible out of Coach Saban right there? >> Yeah, after seeing how Schefter works, I. have a completely different uh. perspective on him. He's a true shark. Uh. >> [laughter]. >> eye to eye, he got real real close to. Nick Saban's face, so you know the. information that he was looking for was. serious, but yeah, that that was a high. uh football IQ conversation from one. side. The other side was just questions. Hey, tell me more. >> Yeah, he was kind of downloading. everything. >> Exactly. That's kind of what Schefter's. doing. Speaking of hot football. conversation, something uh Saban said. when he was talking about the star.

position. A lot of people at home. probably don't know what that is. It's. kind of like a nickel slot defender. So, think Derwin James, Cooper DeJean, Nick. Cross, uh Devon Weatherspoon out in. Seattle, who I think him being as. successful as he's been will help. DeAngelo Pons uh probably draft stock uh. tonight or tomorrow night. Troy. Polamalu, original. >> Troy Troy played everywhere. Uh C-Wood, you know, those guys and Caleb Downs, I. can see him playing this position as. well because those guys could just. impact so much of the game. They. communicate with linebackers, corners,

safeties, linemen sometimes. They can. blitz. They're immediately they're going. to make your run game and your pass game. better. So, you get a guy like this in. the building, they're obviously never. going to come off the field. You could. They're like a chess piece on defense. So, you see the the last two Super Bowl. champs, Cooper DeJean and Nick Cross, that was two of their best players. playing at one of the most critical, in. my my opinion, positions. >> The queen chess piece. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah, it's not it's not the stupid. horse one that's an L. >> No, no, not an I. >> That'll sneak up on you now. >> Not a rook. Yeah, careful. But, I'm.

saying that one's just running an out. the whole time. >> Close. >> just need to go everywhere. >> Yeah. Yeah, you can't take the. linebacker off the field. You don't have. to Yeah. Yeah, it's the best and with. the game now, they have to be able to. thump. Thumping is back in football and. we love that. I'm excited to see Goodell. thump a couple of these big guys. tonight. As we wrap up here on ESPN, let's make sure we cover all the news. stories of the day. Brandon Aubrey, highest paid kicker ever, 4-year $28. million, $20 million guaranteed with.

Cowboys. Congratulations, Brandon. Well. done. You earned that, pal. Remember there. were some rumors going around about what. he was expecting and wanting and. thinking and all that stuff and then his. agent said, "That's not real." Got. transition tagged. I believe somebody. else could have made an offer for him. through that point. He ended up being. definitely back with the Cowboys. They. get a deal done with the most accurate. kicker, maybe of all time, if he's to. go. The guy never misses. It doesn't. make any sense. He hit, I think, two. cross or uprights in the same game last. year. It was his own like and it was. earth-shattering headline news. Brandon.

Aubrey missed a kick. And that when you. get to that point, Tucker was there for. a little bit. >> Yep. Boswell got to that point a little bit. Obviously, Vinatieri lived in that. moment for like 20 years. If you're. somebody that they make a big deal out. of you missing anything, that means. you're a guy. Aubrey's been at literally. since day one he got in the NFL and he. might hit from 75 yards. >> Weapon. Absolute weapon. And when you. talk about the salary cap going up and. to the right, to have a guy that can. make a kick for you, priceless. They put a price on it, it's.

about 5 million a year. What else happened around here? Shane. Steichen says Dan Jones is back to. throwing and performing his drop. And we. saw him walk in. Broken leg and an Achilles ain't enough. to slow Daniel. Dimes down. Now, he lost. a receiver in Michael Pittman. Sure. Tough. To the Pittsburgh Steelers. Kept Alec Pierce who he made definitely. his absolute best version of him. He's. out for 3 months. Dimes is back. I'm excited about the.

future. I love where we're at, Dipo. >> I love where we're at as well. We're. obviously moving on I I think to kind of. a new chapter with Kenny Moore moving. on, Zaire Franklin moving on. >> really love where you are though with. all these great players leaving? Uh we. got look, we got it we still got a gym. >> What's that? >> We still got a quarterback. >> if you're truly if you guys really are. excited about the future or you lost a. lot of great You got a quarterback. walking in. Alec Pierce he signed him. 150 million dollars got ankle surgery 3. days later. >> He'll be all right. I hope. WE HOPE. YEAH. DID THE Colts know 2. weeks later? Did the Colts know about. Pierce's surgery before the Colts signed.

him to the extension? That's what he was. kind of saying. That is what he was. saying. >> But I think he kind of has to say that. Then ain't that kind of like a thing he. like no. That's kind of what he. [laughter] was doing. It's like I don't. know. Did you? You looked over his. shoulder on his phone. You think you. know? Based on what you saw there. >> what was that? What was on his phone? >> A lot of just a lot of shots. Got anything for me? Shot. Shot. Shot. Shot. Shot. That's what it felt like. It. felt like. you know, every once in a while you see. those boats that those super rich olds. go on out in the sea [clears throat]. and there's just like 30 fishing lines. And then they got like workers standing.

there just telling them, "Hey, there's. one." AND THEY GO, "GET MY FAT ASS OVER HERE." DO THE. ENTIRE THING. That's what that text. message kind of looked like. That's why. I was scanning it and I'm like, "Ooh, that's a shot. That's a shot. That's a. shot." And there was a lot of names that. I definitely knew. And I'm like, "That could be a cool thing if that was. to happen and then he comes comes on and. goes. We don't know anything. Yeah, nothing's. going on. >> [snorts]. >> Got any more for me? He knows stuff. I. don't know. >> Everything. >> He knows stuff. Well, now that him the superpowers have.

combined. Yeah. Him, Rapoport, Palazzolo. They meet every morning. Field Yates, I think is it Is Field an. insider? But have they combined? I think. he would be considered an insider. Yes, I think they have. Schefty's retweeting. those guys stuff. He's He was never. doing that before. >> think Schefty's giving us stuff Hey, >> I got this. I'm going to gift it to you. You can break it. >> No, they're meeting every morning. Giving every everything to each other. >> I do think Schefty this many years in. the game, I think he probably only knows one way, which is like go go go. Rap, same way, but I think Rap has been very open about. like, "Hey, would be honored to be a.

part of Schefter's team." I don't think. Schefter has ever publicly come out and. been like, "Can't wait to have these. guys part of my team." Cuz I think. Schefter is an actual machine. hates it. No, I think At this. stage I think at this stage I think. he'll be excited to add members to team. Like I I think he'd be happy to bring. members to team in cuz it's not like. he's ever going to be viewed as not the. guy. >> Right. >> And he's already proven, I think. >> And I think that's what bothered him is. I think he does want to add people to. the team, but it was the notion that.

he this is his heir apparent. Like this. is the guy that's going to replace him. and he obviously is not thinking about. stopping anytime soon. >> Hates it. Yeah. Uh no, I think he it is. forced upon him. And I think now he's like, "How do we. make this the best of it?". >> play ball. >> He's your old franchise quarterback. You. draft a young gun in the first I. exactly. >> [laughter]. >> You are right, but I'll play I'll play. it I'll be a team player. All right, we. will see you tomorrow night for the. draft spectacular. 7:00 p.m. it starts. with the football town. Be a friend, tell a friend, have a nice time, change. your life. Goodbye.

All right, clocks were off a second. I. think I nailed it. A lot of activity. brewing behind us. >> A lot happening. >> Big time. >> I'm being told in my ear, "Uh how long's the show?". >> [laughter]. >> A lot of that. >> Okay. >> You know, cuz the music was starting. Sure. So, I assume somebody was like, "Hey, can you not do the music?" And. they're like, "No, actually kind of need. to do the. >> It's music. That's kind of the thing. It's not just music, I guess, it's going. to be on that stage. I think if we were. to wait 2 minutes and 30 seconds, we. would potentially get something that I'm. sure they do not want us to show. Okay. [laughter]. Okay. We can't tell We can't tip what.

it's going to be. >> I don't think we can tip the open of the. draft. They They have almost started about. three times. Is it Bret Michaels? Uh They were. playing some of his stuff. Uh a little. bigger. All right. BIGGER THAN BRET? We're showing it, Foxy. We're getting out of here. Okay, we're out of here. That's not possible. Foxy was like, uh we got a really good. shot of this. Foxy, he wants to tip the. whole draft. >> Foxy, show the shots that we have of the. stage. Hey, B-Mac, I know you're. probably watching this. We could get the. whole thing. We could get the whole Oh,

boy. Yeah, that would really do it. We're [laughter] not going to do it. We're not going to do it. We are lucky. and thankful TO BE HEY, SOMEBODY TELL. ONI OR ONNIE, WHATEVER THE HELL HIS name. is. [laughter]. We are very lucky and thankful to be. here, okay? And on that note, we're not. tipping. >> Okay. You're going to get We've come. this far. We need not. Mhm. I want to see what it. is tomorrow night. Thank you, Schrager. Yep. Tomorrow night, Draft Spectacular starts. at 7:00 p.m. with a showing of debut. premiere of The Football Town. A. I'm going to say it's maybe the nicest.

thing I've ever been part of. I mean, it. is. It was so cool to watch, like the first. 5 minutes. And the way people are. talking about it, I think it'll be. something that'll be well worth your. time. And also a nice prep for what's. about to happen. The next generation of. NFL stars are going to be drafted on. this stage tomorrow night after the open. that has a lot of really cool stuff. happening. >> [laughter]. >> Roger Goodell will come out here, and. we're going to celebrate the hell out of. ball. We can't thank you enough for. allowing us to do this for a living. We. will see you then. From myself, D-Butt, AJ, Conman, Conman, good to see you with.

a soul. Yeah, cuz we saw you on Steel. Curtain without one. Yeah. That was. alarming footage. I did not see that before. It was not. >> both times. The first time first time was a little. worse. I was concerned cuz I knew it was. glass and he was concerned about that. It was a little quicker, but yeah, yeah. It was tough. I mean, that's Kenny. Pickett. 40 seconds here. Tie tone truck. gray work truck. >> Baby truck. Good boys. ESPN crew, thank. you so much for setting this all up. Barcode and them Faso, Miss Karen's here. doing logistics for life and tomorrow.

coach Cowher will join us. AQ Shipley. will join us. Surprises will happen. Dreams will come true. See a friend, tell a friend something nice might. change your life for us to hang. together. Team on me. Let's have a hell of a week here in. Pittsburgh. Yeah. Perfect. Come down and. see us if you're in town. We appreciate. you. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, team. Team. Goodbye. [clears throat].