Kaja Kallas on Putin’s other path to victory in Ukraine

There are two ways that Putin could win. He could either win militarily, take. lots of Ukrainian territory, but he also. wins if Ukraine ends up as a failed. democracy with corrupt, weak. institutions. >> Yes, um. because we are keeping in mind that. Ukraine wants to become a member of. European Union. They do not get any. discount when it comes to reforms and. and fighting corruption. Russia is not. afraid or has never been afraid that all. those countries that they have attacked, that they will attack Russia. Uh it's.

it's impossible to imagine, but what. they are concerned about is democracy. expanding. They need the countries. around them not go to the democratic way. because then the wave might also come to. Russia and the Russian people might you. know start demanding this as well. Are. you completely content with the with the. kind of the state of democracy in. Ukraine? We saw protests this summer. because there was an attempt which then. was rolled back to essentially neuter. one of the anti-corruption agencies. No,

I know it's it's definitely not perfect. and and also the. the events of. summer that you mentioned are very good. example that you know, there is a. tendency to go wrong way as well, but. they were also turned back. It's no way perfect, but I'm sorry but. also our member states are no way. perfect when it comes to all these. aspects. What I'm trying to say that we. are keeping the those two things in.

mind. And failure of Ukraine would. benefit also Russia who doesn't want the. democracy to expand and prosperity to. expand, wants to control this.