You’re Watching the End of the World in Real Time - Eric Weinstein

Jeffrey Epstein was a product of at. least one element of the intelligence. community. I would bet money on it. The. CIA, FBI? I don't know who ran him, but. he knew a tremendous amount about my. scientific work in ways that he wasn't. supposed to. Very powerful people told. me I needed to meet him. He certainly. was not a financier in any standard. sense. That was a cover story. I need to. know what this thing was, and I want to. know why people don't investigate. I. want to know why nobody asks for the. filings, but I think more than anything, we don't trust our scientists because. our scientists are the most powerful.

people in our society. So, do you think. science is being controlled so that it. can be used in a way that's beneficial? Let's put it this way. Eric Weinstein is. a renowned mathematician and one of the. most fearless and provocative thinkers. of our time. He dissects the failures of. science, exposes elite networks, and. proposes bold new theories that could. save humanity. So, top of mind for me at. the moment is the apocalypse and. tropical fruit. I'm not kidding. You're looking at the. end, man. Do you really think this is. the start of the end? Of course it is. Look at how much has happened in the.

last month. And the big problem is that. we share one atmosphere. All of. humanity's eggs are in one basket. So, what needs to happen to get me a future? So, I think Elon is 100% right. You got. to get to another sphere, but he's being. a complete when it comes to science, and. he's being a total hero when it comes to. engineering. But you can't engineer your. way to the stars with the science we. have. But physics opens the universe to. you. But we have a real problem. A new. idea in physics changes the balance of. power in the world. The desire of our.

government is to get the science to give. us as much power as possible. But then. they castrate the scientists, belittle. them, destroy their families, their. lives, their ability to earn because our. government isn't good enough to keep its. own secrets. I Do you think. >> My employer was a special informant to. the FBI. There's a doctrine that says. physicists don't have free speech. They're stopping the world's most. important group from making progress. Physics is the only thing that's going. to get you a future. So, let's talk about that.

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Eric, you are a particularly captivating. individual for the very fact that you. grace so many different intellectual. subjects. As we sit here now having this. conversation, I want to know. what subjects at this moment in in time. are occupying most of your thoughts and. most of your thinking? We have. a a strong listenership here. and I think the responsibility that I. have meeting someone like you is to. understand.

what we should be talking about. So, top of mind for me at the moment is. tropical fruit and physics. I'm not kidding. Tropical fruit and. physics? >> Yeah. But that's just because you're. catching me on a particular day. Okay. And my my local. 99 Ranch Market ran out of rambutan, which I'm addicted to. No, I have serious issues with tropical. fruit. I'm I'm completely obsessed by. it. What about this week? What what's. been occupying most of your thoughts. this week? Well, the apocalypse. and physics.

Why do you say the apocalypse? Um. >> What do you mean by the apocalypse? Well, we're we're becoming. immune to to the apocalypse. We just. watched hypersonic missiles slam into a. modern city. on TV and. we're watching one of the world's. most remarkable civilizations, the. Persians, take. uh direct hits from both Israel and. the US, and I'm just beside myself.

I mean, this is incredibly dramatic. If If you think about, you know, just. the idea of the Jews and the Persians. are both still here. And, you know, one of the things that I. find really just painful is that. I care about certain certain cultures. that I know well more than others, and. these are two of my absolute favorites. What's What's going on at this moment in. time? Because it feels like there's more.

conflict than there's ever been. I don't know whether that's just a bias. that I have at this moment, but whether. I'm looking at the wrong social media. algorithm, but it feels like the world. isn't is tense. >> Well, you're too You're too young for. the Cold War. So, I don't know how old you are. >> 32. Yeah, so you you you really missed I. grew up in a different world where. things were tense because there were two. players, and you know, it was more or. less the US and the Soviets. And then we decided and one of the. dumbest things we ever came up with, a.

very smart man. came up with the dumbest one of the. dumbest ideas, which was the end of. history. And, you know, the the post-World War II. order. is here to stop us from using the. technologies that came out of this, and. I you know, I talked about this a lot. There was a 6-month period between. November of '52 and April of '53 where. we unlocked first. the power of the nucleus because we. could fuse hydrogen, and the.

other thing we were able to do was uh. figure out the three-dimensional. structure. of nucleic acid in the form of the. double helix, and suddenly. in in no time flat, we had access to the. two most powerful levers uh humanity. has ever had or perhaps ever will. And. so, we're just not in a position to deal. with this. And the remarkable thing What. does that mean, sorry? In terms of You. said we had access to the two most. remarkable things. Well, the hydrogen bomb.

is not something that has ever been used. by anyone against. an enemy. This is the first full-scale test of a. hydrogen device. If the reaction goes, we're in the. thermonuclear era. 3 2. 1. SO, WE'RE WE'RE AWAITING ITS first use. in war. We we we did use fission. devices, but we didn't use fusion. devices. And they're at completely different. scales.

So, the Hiroshima Nagasaki are the only. two situations in which a nuke has ever. been used against. a population, civilian or otherwise. And we don't know, for example, whether. or not, I don't know, um, at least COVID. had its origins in a bioweapons program. So, at some level, we're playing with. levers and tools that are so powerful. Do you realize that the the key. ingredient that made COVID so unique.

was a four amino acid sequence inserted. into spike protein. So, that's 12 nucleotides coding for. four amino acids shut down planet Earth. for a couple of years. That's how powerful this is, you know, and and there are very few things that. have this kind of leverage. In 2017, we. had a discovery, a white paper. called Attention Is All You Need. And if. oddly, many of us. dealing with AI and LLMs and talking. that language don't even realize there's.

a paper that you can read that changed. everything. Uh, it's eight authors out of Google, I. think. Um, and that opened up AI. Uh, Satoshi in 2008 2009 with the. the solution to the double distributed. double spend problem where you could. effectively port um conservation laws. from the physical world into the digital. world giving us digital gold uh but just. as a as a beginning. These ideas that have such high leverage.

are. making us powerful beyond. any previous world with no. attendant increase in our wisdom and our. ability to use. and wield these things. And right now. you're seeing the face where we're. unveiling what does drone warfare look. like in FPV? What is FPV? first-person. where you know where you're looking. through the lens of the drone as it.

slams into a personnel carrier. You know, maybe you maybe you've seen. this on Telegram where you're just. watching individuals being menaced. by mechanical flying birds equipped to. kill them. So. we didn't know what drone warfare looked. like. This is the beginning of drone. warfare. We didn't know what hypersonic. missiles look like when they slam into a. population center. I was just in Tel. Aviv. Yeah. a couple months ago and I was in you.

know shelters because the Houthis. and some of the uh Palestinian Arabs in. Gaza were letting off missiles. But not like this. Persians really you know. and by the way they're choosing I think. to not inflict maximal damage. I don't I. don't think that they. they could have gotten the body count a. lot higher if they'd wanted to. They're. trying to speak. the language of violence in a very. measured fashion.

So is this a particularly. tense moment or is it just the bias that. I have because I've not been through. these things before. Is there something. different? >> you're looking. I can't even believe the question. You're looking at the end, man. This is the beginning. This is a slow. roll out. of a completely different world. You've. been in. We've all been in a completely. artificially stagnant bubble. for decades. My entire life up until now. has been in a bubble.

The only people who've seen real life. are extremely old. Who are those people that have seen real. life? Well, I would say people who went. through the depression, World War II. You know, in China, people who went. through Mao's Great Leap Forward. But. most of us have no idea of what like a. real pandemic, like a Spanish flu or. Black Plague is like. We don't know what. uh Poland went through where they lost, you know, I don't know, 20 25% of their. population to war. Look at the stat.

statistics on the Battle of Stalingrad. We don't really understand We've We've. We've just. our whole life has been in a bubble. You said I'm looking at the end. Yeah. Remember all the talk about the. singularity? Like Ray Kurzweil, we're. heading to the singularity. What is the. singularity going to be like? You're in it. This is This This is now. You're looking at the disintegration of.

NATO. You're looking at people who don't know. how to maintain the systems that were. engineered by their great grandparents. after World War II. That order. that, you know, you're from the UK. If you think about. how how the UK woke up to the idea that. they had. built into their heads. that we are the masters of the world. So, you you saw the beginning of the end. of this concept of the British Empire.

That moment is coming for the. And it it may be that it's coming for. Israel or maybe that it's coming for. Iran. See, in 1967 the Israelis felt. invincible in the Six-Day War. And then in 1973 they had the Yom Kippur. War. And all the people that they were. you know, priding themselves having. beaten these ferocious enemies that were. arrayed against them. woke up on Yom Kippur in 1973 and. bloodied the Israelis and they surprised.

them. So, the Israelis underestimated. their enemy and that changed the entire. character of the country. It went from. being a triumphal state that felt that. David could defeat Goliath to realizing. that Goliath was quite powerful. And you know, the same thing is going to. happen here. You you saw the celebration. that Trump. you know, had dealt this blow to the. Iranian nuclear facilities. You you. watch the Persians come back. It's going. to. we're starting to realize what the. boundaries are as people are more bold.

in trying things. Maybe she's going to. try to cross the Taiwan Strait. I don't. know. But the era of stasis where very. little happened over very long periods. of time is over. So, you think this is the start of. escalation? This is the start of the undoing of the. post-World War II order. The idea that. the post-World War II order is still in. place is astounding. So, what happens next? We either scare. the crap out of ourselves and come to. our senses or we don't. We scare the.

crap out of ourselves and come to our. senses. Or we don't. Hm. And what does. that look like scaring the crap out of. ourselves? Well, I don't know. How did. you feel about the hypersonic missiles? Like we started this and I'm talking. about tropical fruit. cuz I'm trying to figure out whether I. should buy a jackfruit and stink up my. wife's kitchen. You know, and on the other hand I just. saw hypersonic missiles slam into the. buildings I was just in for meetings in. Tel Aviv. There's a a nuclear. threat that weirdly hangs over us and I.

I almost feel at some deep level we all. understand and feel that threat, that. there's these nine or 10 countries. around the world that have the ability. to basically wipe out all of us at any. moment. I feel like that's almost within. us all. That knowing is within us all. I totally. disagree. >> Really? Yeah, I think about nothing else. sometimes and I still don't believe I. don't believe it. There's a difference. between knowing something in your head. and knowing something embodied. Yeah. I don't know if we're able to. distinguish whether we know it in our. head or whether it's embodied.

unconsciously to the point that it's. changing how we act. Do you know what I mean? Because I'm I'm. now aware that there's nine country and. I'm also aware of that really it's one. individual's. decision as to whether those. nuclear bombs were to fly. So there's a. part of me that's I don't know, maybe in. suspended disbelief or at a deeper level. feels an angst. But nobody knows what to do with it and. this is part of what what Elon is all. about, which is that. I am convinced that everybody else needs. to be talking about this much more and I. need to be talking about this much less.

I talk about this all the time. And people are always. I want to survive more than anything. else. There's so many things that I love about. this place. and I don't like the idea that we're all. trapped here. with one atmosphere, with nine. individuals if you like, who could all wake up on the wrong side. of the bed and say, "Uh, today's the day.". Part of what I'm so exercised about with.

respect to the apocalypse is how many. things I want to save. I mean, this city just went up in. flames. It's very. focuses the mind. How many things can I. save in one car load. if I know that the police are not going. to let me come back to my home? Do you save photos? Do you save musical. instruments? Do you save financial records? What what. is it that you save? You know, it was a. very focusing. question. We're already over it. We. can't even remember the fires. On that point of.

the things that give us meaning. >> Yeah. in our lives, where do you think we're at as a society. in terms of our. feelings of meaning and purpose and. connectedness to maybe something. transcendent or I was mulling over this. idea the other day. I actually posted it. on on my LinkedIn page of all places. I said that I'm I think we need to. ladder up to things like anchored and. content in life. Like we you know, we. ladder up we start with ourselves and we. ladder up to family then community then. maybe a mission or a purpose and then. maybe to something transcendent. And it. feels like it because of the design of.

our lives and the optimization of it, we. we're increasingly laddering up to just. ourselves. Yeah. I think even in my life. I'm wondering whether. there's like a layer missing like which. is the religious layer or a spiritual. layer. >> pray? Mhm, it's a good question. You come over Friday night and pray with. us. I'd say I do pray. That's pretty weak. >> But it's not a it's not the way that I. see prayer on in movies and stuff. So. that's the thing, right? We have this. idea that somebody puts their hands.

together. >> Yeah. and they just believe. Yeah. A lot. of time when you're praying, you don't. really believe. You're not sure that you're doing. anything sensible. You you feel. ridiculous. Mhm. And that's true even if. you're a believer. Do you think we need religion? Yeah. Said the atheist. Are you an atheist? >> Yeah. But I take religion super seriously. I don't think we're meant to live. without it. That's an interesting.

conundrum. I don't think so. Everybody. gets hung up on it. I sort of wonder. what their problem is. Please explain. So you believe that we shh aren't meant. to live without religion. We're meant to. be orientated by something transcendent. But you don't believe that it's real. I think that. You know, there's this great trick that. I learned when I was scuba diving. Which is that your your need to breathe. is triggered by the build-up of CO2 in. your lungs. And there are all sorts of.

things you can do to decrease your need. to breathe. One is you can. hyperventilate. And you can get rid of. all of the CO2 that's residual. You can also inner your lungs to CO2 by. smoking. You can also breathe out the precious. air that your instincts tell you to hold. in. You can do all these things and then. you can go super deep. You can equal out. learn how to equalize the pressure in. your ears by holding your nose and and. and these techniques. And suddenly you're far deeper than. you've ever been and you're exploring.

the rocks and the fishes and there's a. turtle and there's an eel. And you get a message, you're out of. air. And you look up and you see, I am really. far from the surface. This is. terrifying. That's what happens when you unhook. the proximate, which is air hunger, from the ultimate, which is the need to. breathe. So, thirst is proximate to dehydration. Hunger. is proximate to the need for. nourishment.

In part, religion and prayer. is there to keep us from unhooking. all of these protective things and just. turning life into a hoot. You can have a hoot without religion. But if everybody has a hoot, the whole. society collapses. Some point I think. a president of the United States may. have said that people who defend this. country were suckers. Something like that.

And I thought, god damn you. Maybe it's true even. But how many families have have received. a a flag-draped coffin. and. felt pride. Like we lost something precious, but we. are part of the American tapestry in a. way that few families can be. And when we outsmart ourselves, when we. unhook all of these things, you know, every single young woman has. an idea about what the opportunity cost.

of not going on OnlyFans is. Before we didn't know what the. opportunity cost There was no. measurement of it. We're becoming too sophisticated. We've. got too much information. We're. deranging ourselves. We're having a. blast. And we're completely undoing all of the. superstructure of the world. The number of people who don't have. children or want children or.

My kids make fun of me that I just go. around telling people to make babies. And it's the most normal thing in the. world. I meet parents who don't harass their. own children to get married and have. families. Like, what are you doing? The superstructures of the worlds? Yeah. One being family family. Yeah. Traditions. Yeah. Things that ground. that connect you to.

And what are the symptoms of that. unhooking from the superstructures of. the world? >> do you care about things How much do you. care about people saying your name four. generations out? Me? Yeah, you. You're probably asking. the wrong person cuz I just don't think. legacy matters cuz I'm going to be dead. That's right, but you're. I'm asking all of you who believe that. Yeah. That is so sad. It is so weird. that no one cares about their legacy cuz. they don't see a future.

So, what I'm trying to say is. I'm desperate to get you a future so. that you care. What needs to happen to get me a future? Something remarkable. Something utterly. remarkable because it's not it's not. going that way. And that's what that's. what the physics part is. Like I talk. about physics constantly. Physics is the. only thing that's going to get you a. future. And how how? Well, right now the big problem is that. we share one atmosphere. Yeah. So. everything that can.

all the really bad things, whether it's. pathogens, like imagine something. COVID-like but far worse, or. climate, or. uh. radiation, all of these things. don't know anything about borders. To an extent, there's a southern and a. northern hemisphere that are separate, but even that's not. a great border. So we can draw all the. borders on land that we want, but we. still have basically.

one or two atmospheres, and I would. really say one. And we've now gotten powerful enough to. really screw it up. Right? And so Through nukes or through. carbon emissions? >> of those things. Right? Everything that. you care about. is on one sphere with one one. atmosphere. And I think Elon is 100% right. We got. to get to another sphere. I can't believe. that. he's focused on Mars. I mean, by by.

Sure. Focus on the moon, focus on Mars, focus on chemical rockets. But throw a couple billion towards. physics, for God's sakes, let us get it. Let us get serious about exploring the. cosmos. This is our womb. This is not our home. We're You know You know this song, Closing Time? No, I don't. Closing Time. Uh You don't have to go home, but you. can't stay here. I think it's about. birth. Yeah, it's time to be born.

You can't stay here. This is completely obvious to me and I. am the only person who who's talks this. way and so I sound like a lunatic and I. get tired of it. But the real reason it it you know, it's. about the mangoes. It's about the. rambutan. It's about the music. It's about all the things that I love. So why would you want to leave? I want to take it with us and I want to. see what else is out there and I want to. meet people. Why don't you just stay. here and fix this? On it. Cuz you can't.

The odds of fixing one sphere for a. permanent future. You've already talked. about it. You don't care about the. future. I don't have children yet either so I. don't Yeah, I don't have that. >> But I. My children don't have children and. their children don't have children. And I care about them and they're not. even here. We've got some time left here, don't we? Well, we did. Have you looked what's happened in the. last month?

It's coming undone. Pakistan and India. Do you really think this is the start of. the end? I I have no idea where I am. Of course. it is. The World War II order was keeping it. It's like control rods keeping the world. from going super critical. Can't we just. put the rods back together? Have you looked at who. We had an election with Donald Trump.

versus Kamala Harris in the US. Tell me what's going on in the UK. What. are we doing in the mayoral race for for. New York? I don't know if you're watching what I'm. watching. Look at the mess. that's going on in Gaza. Russia is nuclear. Israel is presumably nuclear. Pakistan. and India nuclear. The US is nuclear. Iran is almost nuclear. China is pissed. off about Iran because it was trying to. make a play through the region.

North Korea's watching. Oh, and and look at the UK in turmoil. UK is a very nuclear country. To say nothing of France. This is not going to go well. We just we. By the way, look at how much is. happening with AI. Right? Everything was really stagnant. That's. why I I I have this famous challenge. that I give people, which is. go into a room.

and subtract the screens and forget. about style. How do you know you're not. in 1973? Like drones are the beginning. Imagine I needed a refill on my coffee. and you know, you did something and a. drone brought me a coffee to not. interrupt the flow. That would we'd know we weren't in '73, but in general, drones aren't a big part. of our lives. And these robots, I've never seen a. humanoid robot actually doing anything. other than on YouTube where it's like.

doing the mashed potato. Mhm. So in general, yeah. Things were just really stagnant for a. really long time. And then during that. period of stagnation, we we had this. crazy narrative, which is like the. dizzying pace of change is making it. almost impossible to keep up while. things were incredibly stagnant. And so. it just shows you sort of this weird way. in which. our minds can be programmed to. completely ignore what we're. experiencing. Is there not chance that we'll just. continue to.

Okay, if you want to go with chance, look, until until you're worried about. your great-great-grandchildren, I don't want to have this conversation. with you. I want you to start caring about that. I. want you to go to church. You you're heir to a great tradition. One of the most important traditions in. the world has to be Christianity. Cuz both Judaism and Islam are screwed. up over the law, or legal traditions.

Christianity, not so much. I think I first time somebody. crystallized that for me was Sam Harris. It's a really important point. But. you're heir to an incredibly powerful. and important tradition. And if we don't. have a Christian substrate, we're in. real trouble because all of our society. is based on on an assumption of a. Christian substrate. You're advising me to be. Christian in tradition, but not in. necessarily in belief. Well, this is the thing. You're.

alienated because you think that you. have to be a believer in order to go in, otherwise you're faking it. Yeah. Get over yourself. That's not how it. works. >> That's true. That's me just me being. honest. I do think that if I went to a. church and I I sung and I I prayed and. stuff, and I didn't believe, I would. that I'd be like. it'd be it'd be fake. Okay. Do you imagine that all those people who. go to church are just sitting there 100%. sure that there's a there's a Jesus to. pray to? Do you know any Christians? Yeah. Yeah,

they're not like that. They sneak off and do bad things. If. they were confident that Jesus was. watching everything that they were. doing, and they were constantly talking. about how they sin. I'm a sinner. Right? It's a very complicated, interesting. piece of kit. And my claim is that. you know, I said the Lord's Prayer as part of. going to high school.

I sat in a church, a chapel at a high school in LA that had. a stained glass window with an American. soldier trampling a Nazi flag. In the. stained glass window. It's amazing. How does this link to. me I was about to say comp. Don't you have faith that we'll just be. able to kind of keep this It feels like. a bit of a standoff. >> So you're the one with the faith. I'm. the one who's nervous. You Look, you're the believer.

I'm not going to trust that. No, no, no. I'm going to get my hands. dirty and try to do something about it. Do you know what if I think it in part. it's because as you said, I've been. alive for 32 years and through that time. has been relative peace especially in. the Western world. So it's all I've ever. known so I I'm born with this assumption. that this is just kind of how it goes. There's always threat but we kind of. figure it out. Come to the Pacific. Palisades. It looks like Gaza. Yeah. Yeah, I've got some friends that lost. their houses there.

You know. Checked out Lahaina in West. Maui recently? No. It's an absolute disaster. Is AI a protagonist in this story? Is it. sure? In what In what respect? Well, what do you What do you think. about it? We're going through. going through a wild revolution at the. moment and. I just hear people saying the dumbest. things about it. What do I think about it? I'm scared I. might say something dumb now but. >> Well, let's try it cuz I I'm going to. say something dumb. I think I Well, I.

look at both sides of the coin and I. look at the. opportunity and the and the threat. My. concern when I hear about the CEOs of. the biggest AI companies in the world. talking about this fast takeoff is that. the transition will be too quick for us. to adjust. And when they say fast takeoff, they. mean that AGI like arrives and it the. rate of its learning accelerates so. quickly that. it really um disrupts the need for. human beings to do a lot of the sort of.

jobs we're doing today that are centered. on intelligence. Which jobs require intelligence? Pretty. much all of them these days because. we've had the industrial revolution. where we've. outsourced a lot of the labor to. machines but I don't think so. Really? Like I think Yeah, I think a large. portion of our conversation was actually. an LLM. We didn't actually get to the stuff. outside of the LLM. You and I are two chatbots for the most. part. You're a good one. Thank you. >> I'm on a huge I'm on a huge platform. again, you know?

But my claim is is that that's the. really disturbing part that more or less. we're LLMs. More or less we don't do a. single intelligent thing all day long. And the reason that they're able to. mimic us is because we don't realize. that intelligence is a last resort for. us. We try to automate. Like you know, if you think about. greetings. Your assistant was very kind. I got out. of a black car that you guys sent around. and. I was greeted with the phrase.

"There he is, the man, the myth." And I. knew what was coming next, "The legend.". Right? Because that is a sort of. humorous way of giving an intimate. greeting. But it's still an LLM. And I'm not saying that your assistant. is an LLM. I'm saying that more or less. what we do all day long is LLM. interactions. "Hey buddy, how are you?" "Good, good. Things have been really busy.". "How about you?" "Well, I got some. travel coming up. Kind of excited about. it, but I have to get through some work.

first." "I understand.". That's an entirely scripted. conversation. That's why I'm trying to say that I want. to do podcasting that is outside of the. LLM model. I don't want to do just. dangerous stupid stuff, but I want to. talk about things that I've never. explored. Where I don't have something, you know, ready. Do you think AI will ever break out of. the. the the LLM, or will it expand into. >> the LLM as well.

I don't See, I think that waiting for. AGI as the problem is a is a bad idea. I. think the problems are going to get here. far before AGI. I think even that, the AGI expectation. is something we're trained to do. Do you think AGI is coming? Do you think. we'll survive AGI? Will AGI be good or. bad? All of that's pre-programmed into you. Why do you Why are you waiting for AGI? Did you not. AlphaFold 3? Did you Did you track that? Do you know about this? Is that Was that. the chess game? The Well, it's the chess.

game that became the protein folding. game. Oh, yeah. >> You want to talk about great games? Protein folding. Now, that's a game. I have no no knowledge of this at all. Okay. What do you know about proteins? Very little. Okay, think about proteins as tiny. machines. Yeah. That There's copying. machine, there's a scissors and a. shearing machine, there's a. a light-making machine, all sorts of. things. And all of those machines are weirdly. coded. I mean Imagine that you had like a.

children's show. And uh. a bunch of girl superheroes, and they. all had necklaces with. uh 20 different kinds of beads around. their neck. And so, when they needed a. machine, they'd take off the necklace, they'd throw it into a thing called a. ribosome. The ribosome would take these. 20 kinds of pearls, and suddenly it. would build you a car or a spaceship or. a gun or who knows what. Well, that's. That's That's the story of DNA, RNA, and uh and protein. The only thing is,

isn't it weird that a linear sequence. suddenly crumples up into a. three-dimensional object that does. something? So, for example, I don't know if you've ever seen um. these Turkish rabbits that glow in the. dark? No. Okay. So, they took green. fluorescent protein out of jellyfish. Yeah. And they uh. spliced them into the nucleic acids. of rabbits. And the Turks bred all of. these glow-in-the-dark bunnies. And what that is is a structure, so.

there's there's something called. secondary structure in protein where. sometimes you get these spirals called. alpha helices and then sometimes you get. a two-dimensional sheet that's made from. taking. a switchback. in in strings of amino acids. And then. if you wrap that around, you don't have. a beta sheet, you have a beta barrel. And these beta barrels are the. glow-in-the-dark aspect of green. fluorescent protein, okay? And. what we didn't know was how a series of. A's, C's, T's, and G's could code for.

sequences of amino acids, could form. three-dimensional structures. So if you. just read DNA, you didn't know. well, that's going to be a a sports car. Yeah. AlphaFold. figured it out for the most part. Like. to a to an enormous extent. Humans were. stuck there. And what does that mean? It. means that you could. I don't know, you could target your. enemies that have particular regions on. their cell surfaces and you could come. up with proteins that only attach to.

them and attach. It could mean anything. Could mean nanorobots. I don't know what it means, but my point. is is that that's already here. And you're not focused on it. And you're thinking AGI. And the funny. part is is that's your LLM that got. programmed to wait for AGI. Like how do you know, people that I. think are very smart, much smarter than. me, talk about the Don't listen to them. Elon? Sure. I mean he's he says that. it's our biggest existential threat is. AI.

Elon. has become the outsourcing for much of. our intelligence. And if Elon means. anything to you, he's really saying to you, "Don't listen. to me, do something remarkable.". He's saying, "Where is everybody? Why is there only one Elon? There used to be lots of them.". Why is there only one Elon? Yeah, not the right question. Where.

Where did all the other Elons go? Same. question, is it not? No, I think that the Why is there only. one Elon makes Elon feel more singular. You know, if you ever get a chance to go. to Cappadocia or Bryce National Park in. Utah, you see what happens, which is that. you'll have a stone that was resting on. the soil, and suddenly the wind starts to erode. everything except the compactified soil. right under that stone, and you get. what's called a fairy chimney or hood. And so, the claim is is that sometimes.

you get these isolated structures, and the key point is everything else. eroded away. We're supposed to have tons of Elon. And everybody else got taken out. What or who took them out? Look at how much trouble Elon has being. Elon. Look, we keep hearing about him, you. know,

he's on drugs. Great. Take drugs. No, I'm not kidding. Do you know how many amazing people take. drugs? If you care about jazz, jazz is a whole. you know, it's a history of drugs. Whenever I'm listening to Ray Charles, I'm hearing heroin. Okay. What are they doing at Burning Man? They're trying to live. luxuriously under oppression, simultaneously luxuriously and as just. dirty and disgusting as you'll ever be.

Hopefully, they're having tons of. eye-opening, mind-bending experiences. chasing some way of getting out of the. LLM. And you know, my feeling about this is. it's not even honest. I I I believe that Elon, for example, does understand that population and. growth is really important. But I also think he just enjoys making. babies. In a In a In a In a weird way, this idea. of I'm going to have an empire of my.

children. is a forbidden concept. Try explaining that to HR. You know, it's like, "What did you say. at work?". So, the key point is Elon is barely able. to be Elon. Do you think we're overestimating the. impact AI is going to have? Because people people see this as really. fundamentally transformative. No. You don't think we're underestimating. it? I think it's going to be. I I I think that what AI means to us is.

is bizarre. We've We've come up with. this whole script about AGI and. it's going to take everything we do. that's repetitive. is on the chopping block. And since almost everything we do is. repetitive, we don't need to get it to AGI. We just. need to do things where lots of people. create lots of repetitive data, and then we tokenize it, and we train. the AI on the tokens,

and then for the most part, it says, you. know, it doesn't matter. It can be a. photograph, it can be music, whatever it is. Amino acids. Just give me a large enough. data set and let me add it in and you. know, take a hike for for a little while. I'll. train on it, and then I'll know how to. do that. You know what it's bad at? Things that where there isn't much data. So, I I just I just found out about. these orphan proteins where. like everybody's got a different version. of hemoglobin. Mhm.

But, you know, the the the quaternary. structure of he- hemoglobin is these. four heme groups, you know, four different proteins around. a central element. What happens when you have a protein. that has no analog anywhere else? The. The system doesn't have the ability to. learn it. If If I train you on the blues and you. find out what a 12-bar blues progression. is then you find out that there's a. variation where this you know, the. second bar goes to the fourth rather. than just staying on the one for four. bars. And then sometimes the fourth bar.

has a seven in it to create tension. Okay, so it's going to learn every. single form of the blues. like that. And because there's a large corpus of. that stuff, it's going to get really. good at blues music. You know, as a but if you take something. that basically. never happens, it's not going to have an. easy ability to train and give you more. So, I think that AI. is almost certainly going to transform. the economy because everything that we. we know how to do through education.

creates repetitive behaviors. We don't know how to educate for. creativity and genius. We know how to. educate for doing higher level things. So, radiology is a great example. Radiologists are, you know, some of the. first uh in the crosshairs. I'm going to stare at some imaging. and I'm going to say I think that's a. tumor. I think that's benign. And it's going to say just give me give. me give me all of these tokens. Like,

well, they're x-rays, they're cats can. No, no, no, they're just tokens. So, yeah. It's going to start to automate away. every repetitive behavior. And then. what's going to be left. is the tiny number of things that aren't. really highly repetitive or things where. we really that a human does it. Very. interesting what's happened with chess. I don't know if if you've been following. chess. I loosely understand it mainly because. I've spoken to a lot of AI experts and. they often reference chess.

as as an example where. >> It's one of the first things that humans. did that we really cared about that. fell. So, they've been longer. in the AI. tractor beam than any of the rest of us. in some sense. How did it fall? Through Deep Blue, and IBM, and Garry. Kasparov. But does that mean that people people. aren't interested in chess anymore? What. what what are you saying? No, no, no, that's the whole point. So, Magnus Carlsen, the greatest chess.

player of our time and perhaps of all. time, was on Joe Rogan. And Joe asked him the simple question, "Can your phone beat you?" He's like, "Yeah, easily.". So, the point is we can't compete. with. I don't know. Stockfish or what whatever the top chess. programs of our time. I don't know. anymore. But nobody cares about those. programs except for AI experts. We care about the drama. of. you know, Onon versus Carlson.

Two humans? Two humans, because it's. about us. We're we're very narcissistic. in this way. And so, there was a period and you know, this is something that my wife. uh. tried to popularize. So, she said this. thing about the golden age of AI. complementarity, where the AIs aren't good enough to take. over from us, but they're amazing tools. And so, there's a period where we're teamed up, you know, the prompt engineering.

revolution. They're not good enough to come up with. their own prompts. And a great example of this that she and. I have been talking about is the cyborg. chess era, which is a period where humans and the. AIs could form teams that would do. better. But at some point, the AI just. looks at the human and says, "You're just holding me back.". You've got two children. Yeah. When they're thinking about their career. prospects, with all that you think and. know and believe about the future that.

we're heading towards, what what kind of. career advice would you be. giving to them? >> Oh, I've given them terrible career. advice. I give them I gave gave them somewhat. different career advice. So, to my son. my my advice was do the hardest, most. technical thing you possibly can do. And be prepared to use that ability, that facility in different ways than. you're. you're honing it. But, train yourself. With my daughter, um. I think she cares deeply about people.

And, you know, there's a typical. male-female divide. And I'm not By the. way, I'm not going to talk overly much. about them cuz I try to keep them out. But, she is, uh, you know, somebody who. is taking same level of analytic ability. but putting it in the service of the law. and trying to help. people who are, you know, really. unfortunate. She's very idealistic. And. so, at some level, the law. is not going to allow us to have AI. lawyers for quite some time. It's not.

going to trust anything. We We've got. jury. uh, trials and and judges and a legal. system that's written into our founding. documents. To the average person. I would say get your board in the water. and prepare to paddle like all get out. A tsunami of a lifetime is coming, and. nothing your elders have seen is going. to prepare. There's no good advice to give that's. specific.

Let's put it this way. One of the things. when people tell me about they're moving. from one city to another. I have a phrase that nobody likes, which. is every place is over. Oh, I'm moving to Austin. Yeah, it's. over. Miami, it's over. Nashville, over. You know, all these places are over. And. every occupation that is named is over. I'm going to be a dentist. Radiologist. Accountant. Teacher. These are all over.

Whatever's coming, get flexible. Get good. Get good on a bunch of different stuff. Learn how to think across disciplines. I. have no idea what what's going to be. left for us. But, you know, somebody's going to come. out on top. And I I hate to tell people that you. should try to come out on top. I don't think it's healthy to have.

everyone trying to be. world-class. I think you should be able to just have. a life. I have a golden retriever. I don't know. that it's the greatest golden retriever. in the world. Sometimes I think it is, but. does a lot of dumb stuff. But, he's my golden retriever. I just. don't think it I think that this. mania for optimization, like if you look. at your own videos, you'll find. some of the best-performing videos. are. This is how to succeed. This is how to get anyone you want. This.

is how to get out of a bad situation. People just want. capacity. But, for what? Okay, you've optimized your day, you've. optimized your health. Your social media's optimized. Now what? Now what? I don't know. What should be then? Say. you know, is it the is it time to just. One would say, "Well, now I One would. incorrectly say, "Well, now I can play.

with my golden retriever." And then one. would say, "Well, you should have been. playing with your golden retriever the. whole time.". Let me put it a little differently. Through some bizarre accident, I've gotten the chance to meet. incredible people that I don't even talk. about who I have met, you know? I've got a chance to see the world. I. haven't seen South America, but I've. seen. most of the other continents. other than that. the Antarctic.

I've had a really rich life. Take somebody who hasn't had those. opportunities, but they got a chance to have three. kids. I'm not sure I wouldn't trade places. I. had so enjoyed raising my children. And it's available to everyone. It is such a strange thing that we're. talking about optimization and all this. stuff. I I get to think about the the.

substrate of the universe, theoretical. physics. I dream about visiting the. stars. I dream about multiple dimensions of. time, meeting aliens, all sorts of. things. I still think having kids was like. unbeatable. I'm so sad that it's over. I'm so sad that they moved out. I cannot. believe that I was dumb enough to live. in a society that doesn't believe. in having your kids with you your whole.

life. The idea that we look at places where. kids live at home as backwards is beyond. me. And shout out to the entire Indian. subcontinent. You know, it's just like. family is everything. They drive me. crazy. But it it's just meaning is available. for you. And and again,

yeah, every time I get a chance to eat a. rambutan, it's one of my favorite fruits, mangoes, rambutans, jackfruit, sitaphal, if you can get custard apple, the amount of pleasure I get, I've never had a good custard apple in. the entire time I've lived in the US, not one. I've had a frozen one imported from. Taiwan. You get this cherimoya, just get out of. here, cherimoya. You're not good. Great custard apple, great soursop.

What a pleasure to be on this earth. And. it's available. to almost anyone. I just think that you can find meaning. you know, for God's sakes, go to Spotify if you. have a a connection, if you can afford a. connection to Spotify. and put in Pablo Casals' version of the. Bach Cello Suites. You're as rich as you need to be. I've flown private. I'd much prefer to. listen to Pablo Casals playing the the.

Cello Suites in economy. than to be to be to be deprived of real. luxury. I don't know, I just to me, meaning is. everywhere. I can't swing a cat without hitting. meaning. Have you always been like that? Or is. that something that you've cultivated? The the point about being able to swing. a cat and find meaning, so many people. that will be listening now. could swing a. 100-mi stick and wouldn't hit meaning in. their lives. But you seem to be able to find it in.

the. the purer things, the more simple. things. And I'm wondering if that's something. that we can all cultivate with a change. of perspective or if it's. just the way that you've always been. Why is Joe Rogan such a big deal? You ever listen to Joe Rogan talk about. pugilism? Two gentlemen beating the crap out of. each other as poetry, as chess. I I could listen to Joe talk about MMA.

for days. Yeah. You know, the story of Mighty Mouse, the guy. trapped in some, I don't know, flyweight. division with unbelievable skills who. never gets to meet a formidable enemy. You know? Do you think that's a privilege? Do you. think that there's a privilege in being. able to craft a story cuz so much of the. meaning you're describing there comes. from these great stories. And not. everybody is able to craft the story.

upon seeing something. You probably look. at this item in front of me, this glass, and create a story about it that drives. meaning, that makes you feel something. I worry about its manufacture. How is it. that we got a surface of revolution? What What is What is the industrial. process? How do I take a picture of this. and get it. a photograph of the machine that made. it? You know that fly that has been. buzzing around us this entire interview? Do you remember when Obama had a fly? Yeah, and he caught it and bam. Yeah. The confidence of that man. See, I'd try that and I'd miss and I'd.

screw it up in front of millions of. people. You know, it's like I I took so much. meaning away from that fly. Were you trying to or is that just a. sort of predisposed. >> did. No, everyone. Some people would have. gone, "Huh?" How was it that you knew. exactly what I was talking about? Because it captured a moment. He was the girl in the red dress. You know, there's this thing that women. say, "Not every woman can wear red.".

Well, not every man. can grab a fly with confidence. I. I think I think we all see this. I think we all see beauty everywhere. Do you remember that movie American. Beauty with the the plastic bag that. gets in the. air funnel going up? And the key point is the ability just. to see beauty wherever you find it. You know, everything behind you means. something to me.

The letter B. uh strange to me that there's only one. phonetic alphabet and that every. phonetic alphabet is descended from it. You know? right. I I I. I basically view everything as a. hyperlink. I just want to click on the. world and see where it goes to. Not everybody does, though. But, we do. They don't make the step is what I'm. saying, cuz people would see the bee and. nothing would cross their You know, it's. it's funny. >> There's an absolutely horrible account.

that has been just dogging me for years. trying to make my life miserable. And A social media account? >> Yeah. Doesn't matter. Yeah. And the person said, "You know, one. thing I just never understand is. he's not. he's not hawking a book. He. He's just talking. What Why are his. numbers high?".

And the answer is everybody cares about. this stuff. They want an invitation. One of the funniest things that gets. said about me on social media is he goes. on forever and he never says anything. And then like I look at the word clouds. of things that I I've talked about and. people are just Googling everything. incessantly. You know, if you didn't know who Pablo. Casals was, now you do. Now you know. what a real cello sounds like. Um. I don't know. I just. I can't believe that I'm so far through.

this life and that there's so little. left. I can't believe this doesn't go on. forever. Is that all you? Yeah. My people just got hit. And. you know, you want to talk about the. river and the sea. That river is not the Jordan River and.

that sea is not the Mediterranean. The Arab world stretches from the. Atlantic with Morocco. right up to the What is it? Shatt al-Arabia waterway that divides. Iraq from Iran. And I don't think. this is stable. There is no way in which. we should be fighting like this. This is. ridiculous.

Trump Trump used the F-word. I mean, he's getting taking a ton of. crap. Why would you use the F-word? Well, well, isn't it interesting people view. Trump as so tacky? You know, he's he's got this Queens sort. of bluster. He doesn't doesn't reek of. uh. finalist clubs at Harvard or. Skull and Bones or whatever.

No. Trump doesn't use the F-word for a. reason. He needs it once in a blue moon, and it better mean something. And he said this to Iran, and he said. this to Israel. These two two countries. have been. fighting for so long. They don't know what the [ __ ] they're. doing. He didn't make a mistake. The rest of the world has just forgotten. how to calibrate. What do you see Trump in? How is he. clothed?

He's almost always in a suit and tie. And he almost never says the F-word. And it's carefully calibrated to get. everybody's attention, and we're so. asleep that we don't even hear it. This is World War III, and it's already started. Biden was there. in the Oval Office. non compos mentis. And I I being told, "Don't worry,

there's a committee that's replaced. him.". Because I was talking about the fact. that he can't be president. I I just don't know what we're doing. I'm so mystified by everybody else. You. know, it's like Elon makes sense to me. I'm not Elon. I'm very different person, but at least Elon makes sense to me. Not 100%, but 98% Elon makes sense to. me. It's everybody else that I'm. completely confused about. What part of.

what Elon is saying makes so much sense. to you? Oh, jeez, everything. One, we have to. have babies. We have to keep going. Two, it can't all be about problems. You have to be excited to be alive every. morning. You have to work your ass off your whole. life. You know what one of the most. beautiful things that ever happened? Somebody telling Elon that he was the. world's richest human being. He said, "Huh, it's interesting.

Okay, back to work.". Amazing, right? There's no reward. that he can't have. more of by stopping work and enjoying. his wealth except doing stuff. And. I was born in this country. My. parents were born in this country. My grandparents on one side were not, but my grandparents on the other side.

were. Elon is so American. That cowboy spirit. that. he does all sorts of stuff I can't. stand. I don't want to see one more of. those Pepe memes ever. I really don't. What the [ __ ] is his. problem? Okay? I don't know him at all. But Elon at his best is is the United. States. You know?

Anything is possible here. And we And we just waste our lives on. interpersonal drama. He wastes his life to an enormous extent. as a troll. I cannot That's The part of him that I. don't understand is one, why he's not. focused 100% on physics. I think he sees it as going through Grok. and AI. He doesn't want to trust humans. I think he sees Mars as energizing to. engineers and the stars are enervating.

to engineers because the science There's. no amount of engine- You can't engineer. your way to the stars with the science. we have. But. he's he's being a complete [ __ ] when it. comes to science and he's being a total. hero when it comes to engineering. Um. but he is the quintessential American. A business is only as good as the people. inside it. So, how do you make sure. you're hiring the best? Our sponsor, LinkedIn, can help you find these. quickly. I believe in taking time to. hire slowly, but I also understand that.

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there's another thing that, you know, I. I've talked about occasionally, which is I'm not the most. public-spirited human being. You know, I I am somebody who will take. the last. the last rambutan. You know, and I know that you're not. supposed to do that in almost any. culture on Earth, but sometimes it's. just sitting there and it bothers me. Okay? So, I'm not the I'm not the. classiest person on Earth. But, I'll tell you something. If you. have a kid, and you have a choice about. eating the rambutan yourself or giving.

the rambutan to your child, this it's a. no-brainer. You'll you'll enjoy the. rambutan so much more if you give it to. your kid. And you'll see. And that's the way that which this goes. on forever. It's great. I mean, just. how many young people do I have to yell. at? Well, I don't know if I want to have. kids. I don't want to bring anyone into. this horrible world.

Why do you have kids? It both is it I. can see it personally bothers you. Do you have any idea how much hate there. is right now for Israel? Do you have any idea how destabilizing. this action against Iran was? Do you have any idea how many people. have suffered for how long under the. mullahs? We are being cheated of Persia.

I'm not talking about. Iran for the Persians. I'm talking about. we are cheated. of Persia. The entire planet. One of the greatest societies on Earth. taken offline. I Look, You're catching me on the wrong week. I I don't want to dwell on it. Th- This is just incredibly.

irresponsible. We're not going to. survive this. Israel is certainly not going to survive. this. If the Abrahamic world does not get its. head out of its ass. If the Christian world does not start to. stand up for itself without becoming. this Christ is king nightmare. You know, I was in Tel Aviv before this. all happened. And I I just said from the. stage, make the Middle East Christian. again.

D- Does nobody understand their role is. sort of my question. How can you have Bethlehem without a. strong Christian presence? Have you ever been to the Church of the. Holy Sepulchre? No. Can I give you another assignment? Yeah. Get off your ass and go. You got the. money. Walk the stations of the cross. And for God's sake, stop with the issue.

about belief. You can pray like the rest of us. We're. not sure if we're praying We're not sure. if the thing is hooked up and anyone's. listening. You have the right to go back even with. doubt, even with knowledge. And you have the right to believe about. it tomorrow, you know, where where. you're not going to be, but people are. going to be mentioning your name. When you say that your your people are. under attack, who are you referencing as.

your people? I would in general there's several. groups of people that I would describe. as my people. The Jews would be one. Dyslexics would be another. Americans. would be another. Scientists would be another. It depends on on what these think. But. right now I'm thinking about the Jews. and I'm thinking about the fact that the. social media. businesses have lost complete control of. uh the bot farms. And we're just seeing.

this un- I I I feel like I'm living. through the 1930s again. I We've seen this movie before. It doesn't end well. You know, what happened in Gaza is an. unbelievable tragedy. And that tragedy was partially. architected by the United States of. America shoving a two-state solution. down the throats. of Palestinian Arabs who absolutely do. not want a two-state solution.

And the creation. in part of the situation where Israel. has a hand, the US has a hand, the. Palestinian Arabs have a hand. The creation of Hamas. and the and the promotion of this just. unbelievable genius Sinwar, the leader of Hamas, who is continuing. to best Bibi Netanyahu from the grave. You know, it's just an amazing feat.

Nobody reads anymore, as you know. Um. There's an old Sherlock Holmes story. called The Problem at Thor Bridge. Ever. heard of it? No. So, you're British. Um. Sherlock Holmes gets called in on a case. in which. um. there's a murder. And the murder. is traced The murder is traced to this. gentleman who still exists.

Uh. What Sherlock Holmes figures out is that. it's not a murder, it's a suicide in. which the gun. will. fall into the river at Thor Bridge. because it's tied to a weight. And the person uses the suicide. to frame someone else. And it's just one of these genius little. vignettes. And that's what Sinwar was. He was a genius. He He knew he was going.

to die. Who is Sinwar? Sinwar is a. person who who's committed suicide. Sinwar's suicide was an IDF assisted. suicide. I wrote about this almost. instantly after the October 7th. invasion. It didn't make any sense that Gaza would. undertake. such an act against Israel given the. asymmetry. And what this mirrored was that before. the 1990s. So you think Sinwar committed suicide to.

then cause. the people of Gaza to invade Israel? No, no, no. I'm sorry. Sinwar would be happy enough for all the. Gazans to die. And so. what he did was he architected a. situation in which Israel would be. compelled to respond using the wrong. tools. He tricked Israel. And I you know, I'm. very confident to to talk about this. because if you check my old tweets, I. say IDF assisted suicide.

and Munchausen by proxy and Zukswang, right? And I said these are the concepts. familiarize yourself because Israel is. going to invade. Gaza. And I knew what was going to happen. because took me a like why would you do. this? It doesn't make sense from. first order logic, but third and fourth. order logic you like oh, of course it. makes sense. This is hybrid war. The most important. thing for Sinwar is video. Why?

Look at the effect of the video. The video of Gaza. has turned the world to an extent. against Israel that's sort of. inconceivable. There's a doctrine called hybrid. warfare. And I think it came out of. the US in the early 2000s. And it says that the kinetic component. of warfare, the killing, the actual.

shooting and the planes and the bombs. and all this kind of stuff, is. not the major component. The social media is really important. The video is important. The memetic. complex is important. And. Israel has an advantage over the Gazan. Arabs. in kinetic warfare. And Sinwar knew that. And he was like,

"Brilliant. All we need to do is force Israel to. come after us." And this is this thing I. was going to say before the 1990s, we had a spate of killings. of policemen firing on people who had. pulled toy guns on them. And we would we would say things and I. remember this like, "Whatever you do, don't point a toy gun at a policeman. You're it's Don't you realize what's. going to happen?". And then somebody coined the phrase. police assisted suicide.

The policeman is the instrument. That's what I knew was going to happen. And for better or for worse, BB just. couldn't figure out. where he was. And BB was dumber and Sinwar was. smarter. Is there Is there any way back from. here? Cuz you said this is World War III. Well, the the way. There There is, but it's slim and it's. evaporating. I mean, almost everything depends on. Saudi Arabia and the and the Iranians,

the Persians. If the Persians didn't take this. opportunity to rise up against their. oppressors, I don't know what they're waiting for. Yes, you're going to get killed in some. numbers, but. you have to figure out whether you're. interested in tyranny or not. So, the Persians are absolutely falling. down on the ground on the job. not rising up against the mullahs. This is a coordinated moment. Like, you. know, there's there's a moment for a. prison break, this would be it. Who are.

the mullahs in this scenario? The. Ayatollahs, the The government of Iran. >> Khamenei, yeah, the the theocratic. government of Iran. >> So, the rulers of Iran, basically, the. people that are Okay. So, I don't know. if if if you know a a ton of Persians, they're varied in their religiosity, but there's a you know, there's an. underground gay scene in Tehran, there's. super hyper-modern. people just like you and me who can't. stand these guys. Mhm. And so, you're saying that if they rise. up. >> that would be one of the parts of the. solution. The other thing is Saudi.

Arabia and and I have to be very. measured and careful here. You can't fantasize about the Middle. East becoming. Western Europe overnight. Every time we do this, we make a. terrible mistake. When you have a modernizer like MBS in. Saudi Arabia, Who's the ruler of Saudi. Arabia, right? De facto. He can't. suddenly become a modern person. So, you. know, if if if we end up talking about.

Khashoggi and murders and the murdered. journalist and all this stuff, the whole. conversation will derail. But, he's a modernizer. And there was a moment. where he needed to not. condemn Israel publicly and thank it. privately, but to say, "We've all been terrorized by this. country, and Israel did what everyone. needed. We needed to rise up against the mullahs. because you can't have a nuclear.

theocracy. You can't have a highly developed notion. of heaven. where this is the this is the anteroom. where you're waiting to get into the. real room. That issue. of. needing to be rid of an. aspiring nuclear theocracy. is something that in that Israel. undertook. Now, something that I'm going to say.

there's three words in Yiddish which you. may have heard or may not may not, schlemazel and nebbish. So, there're three unfortunate people. You don't want to be any one of those. three. But, the subtlety is that the. schlemazel. is a klutz and the schlemazel spills hot. soup on the schlemazel. So, the. schlemazel is the unfortunate person to. whom bad things happen. And the nebbish is the weak ineffectual. person who decides that it's his job to.

clean up the mess. So, the schlemazel spills the scalding. hot soup on the schlemazel and the. nebbish cleans it up. Now, in the US, we've got this terrible. sort of Christian nationalist. uh problem that we've developed which is. what sometimes people call the woke. right. where. we have a bunch of people who've been. badly treated. White Christian Americans have been. badly treated in the woke era. They've. been forced to salute everybody else's, yeah.

Yay for uh you know, I don't know, Honduran uh lesbians day. And and it's. like, okay, enough. We don't we don't. want to do that anymore. We've also done. great things. And. I absolutely think that they've been. mistreated. Yeah. And they've gone sort of metastatic. And their attitude is no more wars for. Israel, America first. What I was getting to with the. schlimazel and the nebbish. is that most Americans don't have any. idea who Kermit Roosevelt was. Do you. have any idea of who Kermit.

So, the US and the UK jointly. overthrew. a democratically elected in Iran through. something called Operation Ajax. We installed the Shah. And then there's this period where. everybody stupidly celebrates the mini. skirts and the jazz that was going. through Tehran, which was a bridge too far. In other. words, the mini skirts were really bad. idea. Because they weren't ready they were. ready for some amount of modernization. and they weren't ready for that. And so.

we pushed it too far. And so we got the mullahs for 40 years. And now we chop off people's fingers and. we pluck out people's eyes and we. put homosexuals on ropes and dangle them. from from crane. They're barbaric. They're horrible human beings. Okay? These are really bad men, the. mullahs. And we did that. So, the scalding hot soup. is. revolutionary. theocratic Iran.

And we spilled it all over the Middle. East, which is the schlimazel. We spilled it on Saudi Arabia. We. spilled it. on Iraq. We spilled it on Israel. Everybody suffers from having these. people installed because of the US and. the UK instituting a problem back in the. '50s. And who's the nebbish? Who cleans this up? Israel volunteers for this job. And then Saudi Arabia pretends, "Oh my.

god, this is terrible. Our our Muslim brother is being attacked. by our Jewish. I I I just can't believe anybody's dumb. enough to fall for all of this. Like we're involved in a story where. nobody can sort things out. There's no. talking heads anyone believes in. And if I didn't understand this, then. how is it that I have a tweet. from, you know, 10 days after October 7th where I. appeared on Triggernometry. I'm telling. you, Israel hasn't even walked into Gaza.

yet, and I know what the strategy is. Iran sent hypersonic missiles into the. ground in Israel. as a message. Violence is a language, and they spoke. it well. The mullahs may be crazy, but they're. still Persians. They're they're. extraordinarily skilled. And so what they did is they wasted some. of their arsenal saying, "You have no. Iron Dome.".

And we're not going to kill you. We're going to put our missiles, we're. going to waste our missiles by sending. them into your Earth and try to kill no. one. And these Israelis, these brilliant. genius Israelis who pull off all sorts. of things that the world can't believe, are dumb enough, some of them, to say, "Huh, they sent all these missiles and. they couldn't even hit anyone.". And I'm just thinking, do do do none of you understand. anything? I I just don't even know where I am.

And I I'm looking at, you know, I know. Tulsi. Tulsi Gabbard? >> Yeah. Tulsi's amazing. She's the head of the. intelligence program for the United. States. >> Director of National Intelligence, right? Tulsi. has seen the devastation not of war, but. of US action abroad. Like we haven't. really had full wars, but we get. involved in Afghanistan or Iraq or. wherever. And in, you know, people die.

and there are firefights. It's not like. it has nothing to do with war, but. full-on war is a is a very different. thing. We We say the Iraq war, but I. I want to be very careful about the. language. War usually involves you getting. rocked at home, not just your your. troops abroad. I don't think she. I don't think she appreciates the. gravity of the situation. That somehow. what we need to do is we need to. stabilize this thing.

for 50 to 100 years while we desperately. try to figure out a long-term solution. This idea of like just. We're not taking responsibility for the. world we already screwed up. I don't want to send Americans I you. know, I'm not an Israeli, I'm an. American. I don't want to send my fellow. Americans to die in foreign battles that. we have no business being in, but.

we have to take ownership of our history. with oil and energy in the Middle East. And what does that look like taking. ownership? Recognizing that we created the mullahs. And doing what about it? >> Wait, wait, wait a second. Not just. that, and that we also created a lot of. the heartache. along with Sinwar and to a much lesser. extent Israel. by foisting this two-state solution. on people who would never put up with. it. Like I I lived in in Israel for 2 years.

And you would have conversations with. Arabs. some of whom are Israelis. You know, and they would say, "Look, you. know, you just don't understand the West. Bank. You don't understand the. difference between the West Bank and. Gaza.". And they would tell me straight up, "You're going to get us all killed with. this two-state solution. Stop it.". And I you know, it was very hard for me. to hear. But. we're just having a child's conversation. about the Middle East.

And I will say this about the UK. The British Foreign Service. had a different failure mode than the. US. They really learned the regions. They learned the dialects of the. languages of the countries that they. were involved in. The British Empire. took. many places that they were involved in. seriously. And they have a very. complicated legacy. You know, I'm. I spent a lot of time in Bombay and. there's a lot of debate among very.

educated Indians. about figuring out how to think about. the the British legacy. All of the great. institutional. structures that were built, all of the. prejudice and bigotry. Why was a such a small country able to. colonize such a large land basically. working with the locals, you know, it's. a rich conversation. We're having. childlike conversations about all of. this. I'm sorry if I'm going on about this, but.

it's just a very weird thing that we're. we can't get anybody's attention. You can't even get my attention, you. know, I'm watching hypersonic missiles. slam into the places I just was. And then I'm watching a cat video. And then I'm trying to figure out what. to order through Uber Eats. And it's. just like I can't stay focused. It's really important to put this um.

to put this right. And the US screwed up the Middle East. along with the UK really good. And we. have a lot of responsibility. And if we. want to go isolationist, I understand. that. But you first have to put back the. chicken soup that you spilled. And how. do you do that? I'm not sure. I'm not the director of. National Intelligence. I'm not. I'm not the Secretary of Defense. I'm. not in the Oval Office. I mean, you. know, it's it's very weird. I was. workmates with J.D. Vance.

You know, these these are people who are. you know, Bobby Kennedy lives one canyon. over from me in Los Angeles. The people around. power. in the US, Godspeed, you know, just just wish them. well. I don't care what party you're in, but. to to try to sabotage Trump or sabotage. Tulsi or sabotage Pete Hegseth, I.

these guys need to figure this out and. they need to be at a totally different. level. And he's figuring it out, peace. in the region. You know, the peace with. between Egypt and Israel is a shitty, crappy, horrible peace. But it's peace. It's not a loving relationship. It's not a question of everybody going. back and forth between the two countries. saying, you know, we used to be. enemies, now we're friends. It's a. lousy, cold peace.

I'll take it. We need to have peace between Israel and. the Palestinian Arabs who can live in. peace. And we need the people who cannot. live in peace, we need to find someplace else for them. to be. It is absolutely imperative. And it By. the way, this goes for the Israelis. There are a small number of hardcore. Israeli settlers who cannot live. uh you know, in peace with their. neighbors. And it's very important that the people. who cannot live in peace not be there.

Do we need to go to Are you Are you. suggesting that we. focus on regime change in Iran? That is really the responsibility of the. Persians. So, I want to I want to get clear on. what you see as a solution because. you're saying the Persian people have to. rise up. The US need to cab and not get. involved in that regime change. >> I'm saying that. a bunch of things need to happen if. we're to have a long-term solution. I. make you president tomorrow. I hate when.

people do this. But I it's the clearest. way of understanding the actions you. would First of all, if I was president. tomorrow, I sure as hell wouldn't be on. a podcast discussing strategy with you. Trump does it. Yeah, I decline to answer. all sorts of questions on camera. >> Fair. Yeah. So, my feeling is is that you do a lot. more behind closed doors. And this idea. of just handing people. "You're the king of the world. What do. you do tomorrow to stop" you know, it's. like don't do that to me cuz it's just. it's a no-win question. If I was going.

to I I do a lot of stress in. communication. I'd meet with people in. private. I'd use lots of carrots and. sticks. I'd try to use long-range. thinking, and I wouldn't tell you what. my plan is. And by the way, I very much respect Donald Trump in. certain ways. One of which is is that. and this confuses our friend Sam Harris. no end. Sam is always like, "Well, he's not. being truthful. He's not making sense.". He's a negotiator. You don't sit down to a negotiation with. an open book saying, "Let me make sense. to you.".

You sit there saying, "You don't know. what I'm going to do next. You don't. know how big the stick is. You don't. know how much carrot there is. Maybe I'm prepared to give you more. Maybe my stick isn't as big as you think. or maybe it's twice as big." Do you. think anyone has get answers? I'll be honest. I think that Trump is in. part respected because he has some. intuitions about this stuff. His intuition is not to say everything. His intuition is that negotiation is.

more important than transparency. And at a time when everybody's craving. transparency. Tell me everything. No. I'm not going to tell you. everything. I'm going to try to save some children. today. I'm going to threaten. I'm going to cajole. I'm going to do all sorts of things. And. you know, that's what I do. I would I would assemble the best people. around me. I would stop giving so many press.

conferences. I wouldn't tweet every 4. seconds. I'd be extremely strategic. about it. But. you know, the situation. in Tel Aviv and in Gaza makes me sick to. my stomach. And and in Ukraine. Almost all of my DNA comes from Ukraine. At least passed through it. And I've been there. And you know,

Russians and. Ukraine used to be known as Little. Russia. This is a. How are we sitting here watching this? What [ __ ] decided in 2004. that we were just going to hand full. Article 5 status. to former Soviet. republics without consequence.

It is not the case that I don't I would. love to have Estonia, Latvia, and. Lithuania in NATO. Not at this cost. Look, the world is a brutal brutal place. We've gotten really bad at at. international.

understandings. I can't stand what's happened to Europe. Europe has been completely denatured. We're we're playing with fire. everywhere. And I just I don't know how. to talk about it because. every time I talk about things where I'm. the only person who sounds like this. it's bad for my life. Look, if you're in general a Ukraine. hawk and you say.

you know, we we need to make sure that. Ukraine is completely supported so that. they don't give an inch of territory. Yeah, you'll take a lot of crap, but. you'll be in a large group. And if you basically have the idea that. Russia, you know, was minding its own. business and the US was encircling it. and good Russia, bad US. You'll have a lot of company for that. perspective. I don't sound like any of that. The most important thing is to stabilize. the world again and we're not going to.

get another chance like World War II if. we're not smart. We're crazy to give up this order that. we have and. again, you know, one more time I'm. talking about this stuff and I don't. want to be talking about this stuff. Elon is 100% right. We can't talk about. problems all the time. It's cheap meaning. There's an entire universe to explore. And we're sitting here focused on our. own drama, always. And I'm getting sucked into it I don't. want.

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of the reality that we live in, and that. you thought maybe it was more than. just the dimensions we experience maybe. there was 14 dimensions. I've always I wonder this a lot you know. cuz we we're fixated on problems we're. fixated on what we see and what we hear. and what we feel but I wonder sometimes. if if even that is an illusion. I I've. spent a lot of time actually thinking. recently about the simulation theory and. is this whole reality just some. simulation on some kids video game in. another dimension. Um so I thought you know you're a. physicist. >> a favor put that in a triangle pattern.

here. Okay so we have three monks. Think of those as vertices of a. tetrahedron. And think of this coaster floating here. as the fourth vertex. Mhm. For every. two vertices so the number of vertices. we would agree is four. Yeah what's what. does vertice mean? Points. >> Yeah one two three four. >> Idealize these three things in this as. points. >> Mhm. Draw a line segment between. all of these four vertices. How many.

line segments are there? One two three. four. five six six Yep. So there's six edges. four vertices. How many triangular faces. that have three vertices on them? Oh four. Yeah this is how to think about. the actual dimensions that we have open. to us. The four faces we know about. The key point that I was trying to get. at is.

I don't believe that you just have the. four dimensions. I believe that you have. all six edges are dimensions. And all. four vertices are also dimensions. I'm talking about a hidden world. It's very interesting physics has gone. stagnant in terms of how we usually. measure progress. The the way we measure. progress is. the change in something called the. action or the Lagrangian, a specialized.

device. And that used to change a lot, and then. in 1973 it stopped changing. The major thing that we have is we have. no new ideas about how to change the. Lagrangian that anybody finds that. exciting or interesting. So, there's. been no progress. Nobody goes to. Stockholm to get a Nobel Prize because. they changed the Lagrangian of the. world. What's the Lagrangian? The Lagrangian. So, you probably think about physics in. terms of equations, like Maxwell's.

equations or the Einstein equations or. whatever. Think about it an equation. as being not the primary thing that. physicists think about. So, I give this. example. The Beatles had four basically. different configurations. When Ringo was. the front man, he was singing Octopus's. Garden. George Harrison is. singing While My Guitar Gently Weeps. You know, uh.

Paul is singing about Penny Lane, and. John is singing about Strawberry Fields. Forever. Those four equations, those would be those different. configurations of the Beatles with one. of them front and everybody else backing. the front man. would be the equations, but the Beatles. would be the Lagrangian. It's the thing. that generates the four different. configurations. >> Okay. And there's this bizarre force field. that anybody who wants to talk about. physics and doing something new, in. particular leaving.

or traversing time. or multiple dimensions of time, anything. that's really close to. what might be possible gets slammed. We don't know why. Because. it's very cheap to explore ideas, and we. have no new ideas. But the only thing about a new idea in. physics. is that a new idea changes the balance. of power in the world. So you remember.

the thing I was saying about AlphaFold. 3? Yeah. AlphaFold 3 changed the balance. of power in the world. Bitcoin changed. the balance of power in the world. The DEFUSE proposal. from the EcoHealth Alliance. changed the balance of power in the. world if that was the source of the. COVID virus. Anytime somebody has a really big idea, and the biggest idea and you know, I. talk about this, people don't grasp it. Probably the most dangerous thought. anyone has ever had.

was Rutherford in 1911 saying. I wonder whether. there's a neutral version of the proton. It doesn't sound dangerous. But it's hard to send a proton into a. bunch of protons because it's positively. charged and a massive nucleus is really. positively charged and so there's a. repulsion. If there's a neutral version of the. proton and these things are barely stuck.

together with the strong force even. though they're trying to scream away. from each other cuz they want they're. all positively charged. You can send a neutral version of the. proton right into the center. Tap and just imagine you have a bunch of. magnets that are trying to flee from. each other and the Velcro around them is. barely holding it together. So now you. have a bullet in the form of a neutral. proton, a neutron, and it hits this. thing where the magnets want to come. apart and the Velcro is barely holding. it together. Well, that idea.

led to the chain reaction. And then the nuclear bomb? Well, that. that was the fission bomb. And then a geometer, so I'm a geometer. and not a physicist. And a physicist named Edward Teller and. the geometer is named Stanislaw Ulam. said, "I wonder if there's a way to take. the chemical bomb. that creates the fission bomb. and use the fission bomb as the. detonator for a fusion bomb.".

So, bomb number one, bomb number two, bomb. number three. And what they figured out was is that. the only way to create that. is to reflect light. in a particular way to compress. hydrogen into helium and release. energy. Because anything other than light. wouldn't get. to this the tertiary stage fast enough. before the atomic bomb, like you're.

using a Hiroshima Nagasaki as a. detonator. That's how crazy it is. So, that chain of ideas, which is maybe. there's a neutral version of the proton, maybe I can send that into the middle of. an atom that's very heavy that was built. in a stellar collision. Maybe if I have a bunch of those uranium. or plutonium type things, each one when. they break apart will have more neutrons. inside, that is more neutral protons. that will hit more nuclei that will. release more energy, and maybe that can.

then focus the light, the gamma. radiation that comes off of this thing, or who knows what, to compress. a narrow rod to create fusion, which. only occurs on the sun in the sun. But. but do it on Earth. So, we're going to. take a little bit of the sun. on Earth. That chain of ideas. was the most dangerous thing anybody's. ever thunk. And that's why when you try to do. physics, you don't know, why are people.

making fun of me? Why are they being. mean? Why are they dissuading me from. talking? I don't know. You have a suspicion. Well, there was a. guy named Jack Ripper, the unfortunately named Mr. Jack Raper, who was a reporter in Cleveland, who for some reason during the war in. 1944 decided to vacation in New Mexico. So, he goes to New Mexico and he comes. back and he says, "I've got a crazy. story. There's a city that nobody knows about.

with a mayor. who's supposed to be the second. Einstein. And it's the most secretive city in the. world. And the mayor is working on a. doomsday weapon and even the people who. live in the city don't know what it is.". And he writes the story of Los Alamos. and publishes it 1944. The scoop of the millennium to say. nothing of the century. Nobody knows. about this article. And it's called Forbidden City. We pretended that it never happened.

For those that don't know Los Alamos is. where. the atomic the nuclear bomb was, I. guess, conceived and brought to life and. tested. Well, it was really it was really. designed there and most of the. nuclear processing took place at other. sites, whether Hanford or Oak Ridge, I'm. not sure. And it was tested a short distance away. uh at the Trinity site. So, go watch the movie Oppenheimer, if. you will. But, this is why physics.

physicists are the only occupation. in the country that doesn't have full. free that there's dangers in believing. in more dimensions that maybe some. people might not want. to be known in the same way that we. didn't want the. My point is. I don't think our government knows the. real secrets of physics. If I had to make a bet tomorrow, I don't. think there's a secret government office.

that knows physics. Okay? Mhm. I think that there were a bunch of very. smart people who knew how dangerous. physics was and that the idea that we. would continue to do it in public struck. them as insane. Because it could lead to destruction. When I tell you that the most dangerous. idea in human history is maybe there's a. neutral version of the proton. That's. supposed to sound insane. Mhm. But the entire chain of ideas.

results. in nuclear fusion happening on Earth. at the direction of the president of the. United States. And that's what I'm trying to get at. which people don't understand, which is. you probably don't even realize that the. Department of Energy is really the. Department of Physics. Because we we we pretend that it's. the Department of Energy. Like we had a. war department that became the. Department of Defense. We're scared of. the possibility of physics. We don't. even want to talk about it.

The the. literally no other occupation. has. lost free speech like physics. There's a. special doctrine called restricted data. that says. you cannot. write. physics on a napkin. Even if you have nothing to do with the. government, I think even if you're not. an American.

If it has anything that could possibly. have to do with nuclear weapons. In other words, any advance. that might have to do with nuclear. weapons. you have to recognize that the instant. you put pen to paper or you start. talking to somebody. you're committing. a violation of the 1917 Espionage Act. And if you think that's crazy, start. exploring the words restricted data, 1917 Espionage Act, 1946 and 1954 Atomic.

Energy Acts, the doctrine of born. secret. It is illegal to pursue Q clearance data. if you don't have a Q clearance, but if. you're creating Q clearance data out of. your own head as a byproduct of trying. to do physics, you are actually potentially committing. a capital offense. And your theory of everything, your. theory the theory you just talked to me. about that, what does that mean for the. for the average person that's listening. to this? In terms of the.

the basic. >> This is my point. Did Rutherford. know what he was doing? No. So, I talk about this a lot, but I do think. it's probably one of the greatest lyrics. ever in any song. And unfortunately, it occurs in. a song that got way too popular. Um. The baffled king composing hallelujah, that line. A baffled king does not realize what he. is doing when he composes.

Rutherford was a baffled king. Maybe there is a neutral version of the. proton. He was composing the end of the human. race. And your ideas about the nature of. reality. >> person. And your proposal I I am baffled. I don't know what it leads to is what. I'm trying to tell you. But your. assertion is that there's more than this. dimension that we understand and more. than our understanding. >> you that I can name for you what. particles there are left to be found. Mhm. And the what comes back to me.

is you don't have any predictions. And. I'm thinking, this doesn't even make sense. Literally, I'm telling you there are. maybe there's a neutral version of the. proton doesn't begin to talk about all. the things that I'm talking about. So many new forces, so many new. particles, ways to go in. there's There's longer an arrow of time. in my theory. So, you could live forever.

theoretically. What does it mean? If If you think about a final theory, and again, by the way, I just want to. say something. I say my theory sometimes. when I'm having to defend it, but it. isn't mine. It It It just is. You know, Everest didn't belong. to Sir Edmund Hillary or to Mallory or. even to the surveyor for whom the. mountain is named.

When you chose to make the first ascent. on Everest, you just chose a route, and then you. either did or did not traverse the. route. We don't know whether Mallory may. have succeeded. But, my point is that this isn't my. theory. There is a theory that's there. It might be wrong. It's possible. I may have screwed it up. But,

it's got so much in it that I have no. idea what it means. And the simple way to understand this. theory is that there's dimensions that. exist beyond the ones that we know. We. already know from Einstein. that these dimensions are implicitly. in Einstein's theory. Every single dimension that I'm talking. about. is being constructed out of the four. that we began with. When I put the cups. here and the coaster, the edges were calculated from the.

vertices, and the faces were calculated. from the edges. Mhm. My point being, these dimensions are already here. And because the dimensions are already. here, they were already present in Einstein's. theory all along. When you ask for what. Einstein's real equation is, we actually don't think about it that. way. We call it the Einstein field. equations, plural. How many of them are. there? 10. Why are there 10? Because there are.

six edges. and four vertices. that weren't accounted for. They're. already in Einstein's theory. We just didn't take them seriously as. directions you could go in. You've heard. about this simulation theory, haven't. you? What? I don't want to talk about it. Really? Well, it gets to the LLM problem. The really interesting thing comes from. I don't know. and maybe the maybe the cosmos is.

traversable. Maybe times travel replaces time travel. You see, if I flip all of the dimensions. of time. and space. So, I have one of time, three of space. in Einstein's theory. Okay? The time dimension gets a minus. sign. The the three spatial dimensions. get a plus sign. And the three spatial. dimensions are. >> X, Y, and Z. Yeah. Z. Forgive me. Which. is for for a simple person.

depth, width, and height. Yeah, you can. go like forward, backward, up, down. >> Right. Okay? So, we have three. dimensions there and then we have one of. time because the conversation takes. place over time. You're moving around. Now, flip. the time dimension to being plus when it. was minus before and all the plus. dimensions to being minus. So, I have. now I have three time dimensions and one. space dimension. It would look exactly the same.

The one space dimension would take the. function of time and the three time. dimensions would have the function of. space. We don't even teach people the idea. that there is not necessarily an arrow. of time if time is not one-dimensional. The only dimension that has an arrow. is one. If something has one dimension, you can. say. And you know, I tried to do this on. Rogan. I said, "If you have a cassette. tape.

and you want to go back to an earlier. song." Again, your younger listeners. will have no idea what we're talking. about. Um you have to go back through all of. the songs before. But if you have a. stylus on a turntable, some of them will. be hipsters with vinyl in their own. homes, you can lift the stylus up and it. doesn't need to go back and. unplay each song in reverse. Mhm. Okay. You may be able to go back in time. without going back through time.

I don't know what this means, but it's a. lot like saying maybe there's a neutral. version of the proton. Now, what I'm. concerned about. is that essentially none of my physics. friends know that there is a doctrine of. restricted data. They've never heard of. the 1946 and 54 Atomic Energy Acts. They. don't know that the Department of Energy. that funds them. is really the the Department of Physics. They don't know the extent to which we. went to hide all of this stuff. They. don't know that they're not allowed to.

talk. to foreign nationals from hostile. nations on our own soil. because of a doctrine called deemed. exports. There's an entire hidden world. of national security. And the penalty. for talking about national security. with people who don't live that. is that you're a conspiracy theorist. It's like, "Do you have any of this terminology? Do. you know the acts? Do you want to Google. it? Well, you're. This is also just something that's. really interesting about the UFO UAP.

world. We had this admission recently. that the government knew that at a. minimum, and again, I don't think this. is by anywhere close to the full story, at a minimum, there were secret fake. special access programs. Do you know. about special access programs? Su- super. secret programs are called special. access programs. Then there's a further category called. unacknowledged special access programs. or USAPs, which is. you can know that a special access. program exists.

Like, you know, maybe warhead recovery. is a might be a known one. But then like there might be an. unacknowledged special access program, which is like. theft of a foreign nuclear warheads, which we It's not even on the books. Only only the super secret lawmakers, you know, in the gang of eight or. whatever it is, can know that that. exists. And then there are further designations. of. secretness. There's waved and bigoted. So, you could have like a waved bigoted.

unacknowledged special access program. And you don't know any of this language. And then there's this chorus of morons. who the instant you start to educate. people about the existence of the su-. super secret squirrel club. rise up and say. this is all conspiracy theory. And you're saying, "Wait a second. We just admitted in UFO. UAP land.

that we have a fake special access. program, which I predicted on Joe Rogan. I said, "We may be faking a UFO. situation.". The cost and the penalty at a personal. level. for letting people know how the. government keeps secrets is personal. destruction. The US faked a UFO program. >> Yes, correct. You don't know about this. I think the Wall Street Journal had an. article about it. So, these guys knew. when they filed their reports on the UFO.

UAP. that there actually is. at a minimum a fake UFO UAP program. Why would they want to fake UFOs? This is so weird. Did you Did you happen to watch. Joe Rogan episode 1945 where I talked. about the whole history of the golden. age of general relativity and its. relationship to UFO UAP anti-gravity. research and the atomic bomb? I didn't. No. Okay. When we invaded.

the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, that was called Operation Overlord. We had an entirely fake invasion planned. of Norway called Operation Fortitude. that was part of Operation Bodyguard. which is part of just total deception. And why? Because we were building up. troops to do something huge. So, we tried to convince We like planted. plans for the invasion of Norway on dead. bodies to wash up on beaches so the. Germans would find them.

We fake stuff all the time. That's what we do. And. you can't talk about what we do that is. deceptive without being ruined by what. are called. covert influence operations. Like if you'll. watch my Twitter account, you'll see all. sorts of accounts descend on it. Fraud, charlatan, grifter, blah blah blah blah. blah blah. Some of that is just people being mean.

But you'll notice that like if I really. start talking about physics and I start. talking about security and I start. talking about things that anyone can. Google and most of us don't think to do. it. Suddenly it gets really really intense. And the whole point is it's supposed to. be untraceable. It's supposed to be a way in which. like almost certainly. we know a ton about what happened in the. Wuhan Institute of Virology.

because of two bioweapons conventions. that we were signatories in to and which. we ratified. There's the Geneva. Convention and a bioweapons convention. in the 1970s. But that's not top of mind for ordinary. people. They just watched, you know, their great-grandma die and. they're watched their children get sick. and they watched their own brain fog. They can't know whether that was a. bioweapon that we were working on coming. out of the University of North Carolina.

Chapel Hill with Ralph Baric's lab. You know, we're we're up to constant. secret stuff. Why would they fake the UFOs, though? What was the What was that a distraction. for? >> seen the B-2 bomber? Yeah. What if you saw that before we were. ready to say it existed? Yeah, you'd. think it was a UFO or something. >> So, wouldn't it be better if we had a. UFO. story ready to go when we had cool. aerospace? Oh, okay. So, you're saying. they're working on something which they.

didn't want you to know is what's What's. more, what if we convinced China or. Russia or Iran. that we had incredible powers that they. don't have? Then they might be very reluctant to. strike us. Or they might waste a tremendous amount. of money developing. anti-gravity technology when there's no. such thing. There are plenty of good reasons to fake. such thing. Why would we fake an Why. would we plan an invasion of Norway? If we weren't going to invade. But if.

that's a distraction technique, do you. have any hypothesis as to what was going. on there? But that's not my job. Okay. Because as soon as you do that, I know. that my the quality of my guessing is. not going to be at the quality of my. detecting when we're up to [ __ ]. Okay. So, in other words, if you ask me, "Why is physics stagnant?". I can say, "I don't know, but there's a. decent chance that we know how dangerous. physics is and that it's crazy to do it.

in an open university environment. We've. taken precautions. We have a system of. national laboratories, which are effectively our secret. university system, uh where you have to be an American. So, we're we're using our regular. universities and the whole world comes. through it. You know, we have Chinese people. learning physics side by side our own. people. And I guess you're saying that you don't. know if UFOs exist, but you you'll. you'll show now that they were faking. this whole thing. >> positive that we have. unacknowledged programs.

that have UFO written on the side of. them. Okay. In other words, the number of. people who repeat who repeat strikingly. similar things. who appear to be completely sober in. every other respect with no known acting. ability, there is no way in the world. that these people just spontaneously. have decided to destroy their sanity, their career, and their reputation. I've got you. >> At a minimum, we're faking.

I think we are doing a lot more than. faking a UFO program. I don't know what it is, and I also. would not be talking about this on a. large podcast but for one thing. I have a particular hatred for one. aspect of our intelligence community. And I I don't mean that I dis- disagree. or don't like or I'm not uncomfortable. When. our secret squirrel club inside the. intelligence world and inside in.

particular covert operations targets our. own people who are not read into these. programs for personal destruction, reputational destruction, mental. destruction, economic destruction. We. take our best people and we make fun of. them. And we belittle them, and we destroy. their families, their lives, their. ability to earn. I have a very strong sense that you. never destroy your best people. Do you think you're under attack? Let me talk about Leo Szilard instead.

Leo Szilard is the father of the. Manhattan Project. Which was the where the nuclear bomb was. created? That's right. He was not. allowed to go inside the Manhattan. Project because they didn't trust him. He was a genius. He was the idea for the Manhattan. Project. He and Einstein made sure that. it happened. The government barely trusted. Oppenheimer if you saw the film. What they did with Leo Szilard was they.

minded him. They knew how good he was. They knew how. important he was. They listened to him. and they didn't destroy him. He. undoubtedly knew that the program was. going on. But he wasn't allowed inside the. program. I think that's okay. I think it's okay that our security. state. recognizes that some people are not cut. out to keep secrets. Some people are not. cut out.

to die with certain facts that have to. be kept hidden. That's fine. The desire of our government to destroy. people who have no idea what they've. tripped over. because our government isn't good enough. to keep its own secrets. This is an abomination. You cannot destroy your A team. Who are you referring to when you say. people are being destroyed? Are you. referring to people like yourself? You know, if you look at for example.

Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein conducted a conference. called Confronting Gravity. I don't know who Jeffrey Epstein was, but I'll I would certainly bet money. that he was It's product of at least one. uh. or more elements of the intelligence. community. The CIA, the FBI? That those. are ours. Right? Department of Homeland Security. has some of the stuff. Geospatial intelligence has some of this.

You know, it's a it's a large network. Um I'm talking about people like David. Grusch. I'm talking about people potentially. like David Fravor. I'm talking about people like Jake. Barber. I'm talking about scientists. Like Leo Szilard. Imagine if Leo Szilard didn't know that. the Manhattan Project was going on. Or. Jack Ruby, a journalist who broke a. story. These people all think that. they're doing their jobs.

I desperately want to know why Jeffrey. Epstein knew so much. about my work. And I want to know why he was connected. to my graduate program. I was I was in the Harvard mathematics. department. Jeffrey Epstein was. absolutely connected to the Harvard math. department. I want to know why. How was. he connected to the math department? You're pushing me to say things I'm not. going to say.

But I I don't mind. >> I'm curious. I'm not trying to push you. away. >> But I'm just not going to do it. I'm. saying that anybody who wants. But you say he was connected to the math. department. >> Harvard mathematics department. >> How did you know he was connected? You can Google it. You could Google it. right now. This is not. I I can point at all sorts of stuff. that's hidden in plain sight. So, I'll. take your word for it. And the assertion. that I'm picking up on is that Jeffrey. Epstein was planted in your world to I'm.

not saying he's planted. I don't know. who he was. I don't know who ran him. He. certainly was not a financier in any. standard sense. Really? That was a cover. story, yes. The way that we know Jeffrey. Epstein in the UK especially is just. this guy who was this rich guy who had. this island who brought people there and. then did these. despicable things there. >> Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, that's what we That's the story. >> Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. It's called perseveration. He was a. disgraced financier. What kind of a. financier? A disgraced one. What was his. name? Oh, it was disgraced financier.

Jeffrey Epstein. They perseverate that into your mind so. that you auto complete that in your LLM. life. Do you believe that that's what Jeffrey. Epstein was? You met him you. Yeah. I'm What do you see as disgraced? I mean financier? He wasn't a financier. the day I met him. What was he? He was a weird guy who didn't seem to. know a lot about currency trading. Claiming to run a multi-billion dollar.

FX hedge fund. When you say a weird guy, what made him. weird? Same stuff I've said on Chris Weidman. I'm not going to go back through that. Just. My my point is you're getting a. different interview. Right? Mhm. So, what I'm trying to get. at is. Jeffrey Epstein knew a tremendous amount. about my work when nobody knew anything. about my work. And he had a pipeline into me that I. didn't understand, which is that he was. connected to my graduate program. And you can check out the conference. called exploring gravity.

And hosted physical workshop called. confronting gravity. >> Confronting gravity, that's right. In. March 2006. >> Yeah, what is Jeffrey Epstein Jeffrey. Epstein is very focused on gravity. Was it a gravity conference? Yeah. It. was about gravity. Yeah. What the [ __ ]. was he doing talking about bloody. gravity if he's a financier? It was very. important to get Nobel laureates and. some of the smartest people on Earth to. come to the Virgin Islands and talk. about gravity. Stephen Hawking was. there, David Gross was there, Lawrence. Krauss was there, Lisa Randall was. there. Right before his conviction.

And I'm telling you he was very focused. on the Harvard math department. And he knew all about me in ways that he. wasn't supposed to. I have to I have to be clear. I have to. be clear on my understanding of what. you're saying. From what I understood. and you can say Stephen I'm not going to. answer that whatever but I just have to. cuz I you've opened up a curiosity hole. in my mind. So let me try and fill it. even if it's the conversation I had with. Chris I. um I'll just evade you if you Yeah, yeah, fine. You're within the rights to. evade me and I hold the right to ask.

which is um. So is. what I'm hearing is you believe I'm just. going to say it how I think it is what. I'm hearing is you believe that Jeff. Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. He. was planted He was a construct. is what I said. He was a construct. in some way. to. mess with the. progression of physics. Jeffrey Epstein. apparently I think some I'll tell you.

what I said. When I met him. and the meeting was over I immediately. called my wife. And I said, I have just met a construct. She said, what do you mean? I said, this. person is not who they claim to be. Somebody has constructed this human. being to be something that they are not. Which is a hedge fund genius. Somebody who could understand the euro. and the yen like nobody else. [ __ ]. Not true. I believe that whoever constructed.

Jeffrey Epstein was running multiple. different programs through the same. thing having put in a large initial. investment. It wasn't about one thing. If you build. a mall, you don't just have clothing. stores in the mall. You have a food. court in the mall. Right? You have jewelry in the mall. You. you you have all sorts of different. things in the mall. Jeffrey Epstein was. a construct of something. that was running multiple things. One of. those things was science and I I think.

that the science and the pedophilia were. necessarily in the same bucket. He was funding all sorts of people. I don't think everybody at that, you. know, part of the problem with calling. his plane the Lolita Express and calling. his island Pedophile Island. is is that. you just can't see all the different. things that were going through this guy. I don't think almost any of the. scientists are exposed you know, maybe a. few of them, but very few of them. to anything really horrible.

I think he was trying to keep a. periscope on everything that was. interesting. And I think that his girlfriend's father. Robert Maxwell. was all through scientific pub-. publishing. And I think Pergamon Press was in part a. control mechanism. for making sure that. revolutionary discoveries were taking. place within a framework. Anybody can Look,

you can write. a Substack article and you can hit post. and suddenly the world has access to. your Substack article. That is a nightmare. What if somebody. posts, you know, weaponized anthrax? What if they do the equivalent of. saying, "What if there's a neutral. proton?". So, you think he was controlling. science? I think that Robert Maxwell was. in part trying to control science. I. think Jeffrey Epstein was in part trying. to fund science, trying to control it. I. don't really know.

Again, you know, part of the problem. with why conspiracy theorists have a bad. name. is that they're not content to live in. ignorance. And I mean I am. I I know something is really off with. the story. What. If If you look at me saying things like. you don't know whether Biden is going to. make it to November. Ha ha ha, Eric, you know, what an idiot, blah blah blah, okay? Then he has a debate. He doesn't make it. to November.

You know, I'm not Nostradamus. I'm just. dumb enough to say something in public. that that makes sense. Let me say. something in public that makes sense. Our national security people suck at. their jobs. The people who are in charge. of the Department of Energy, which is. masking the Department of Physics, which. is masking the Department of Nuclear. Weapons, right? The Atomic Energy Acts, which are really. about atomic weaponry, recast as Atoms for Peace or who knows.

what. Jeffrey Epstein, who is not a. disgraced financier. The newspapers that have always had a. national interest component and have. liaisons so that they can work with the. CIA and the State Department and they do. each other's bidding and scratch each. other. This whole network. is the is what I've called managed. reality. We live in managed reality. We are all in some version of the Truman. Show. And you can look at it, you can Google.

it. I can give you a million search. terms and every time I give a million. search terms, you'll watch my reputation. get torn apart. Are you going to blame me that you. didn't know what the whole of society. approach is because you didn't know the. Daniel K. Inouye Center for Security in. the Pacific came up with an idea for. soft fascism to fight hybrid wars? You. didn't know what hybrid warfare? Look look at my talk at ARC, Jordan. Peterson's group, the Alliance for. Responsible Citizenship. It's at almost. 2 million views. And why is it? Because. people are saying, "I didn't know these. terms.".

Did you know what the Human Terrain. Project is? Do you know Do you know. about human terrain? You're a mountain, I'm a valley, and. instead of war. planners figuring out how do we use that. valley to capture that mountain top. because it gives us a. an eagle's nest you know, to snipe from. or whatever, they say, "Okay, this is the second most powerful podcast. in the in the world, second to Joe. Rogan. How do we capture him? [ __ ]. Leave me alone, please. >> No, but that's what I'm trying to say. You're human terrain. Yeah.

When the human terrain wakes up and. says, "Wait a minute, I'm human. terrain.". Well, my feeling is if you don't want me. to talk about this on a podcast, then. keep your terms. separate. Nobody knew the term pre-bunked. malinformation. Do you know what. pre-bunked malinformation is? Malinformation is information we don't. want to get out. Technically, people try to pretend that. it's information that will be. misinterpreted, but really it's.

real stuff that is deleterious to the. narratives that we're trying to push. forward and what we're trying to do. And. pre-bunked means discredited. So, we knew what debunked dis We have to. debunk this information. We get that. But you didn't know that we had to. pre-bunk malinformation, which is we. have to destroy truth tellers. What do you think that means for people. like me as podcasters? You know, cuz we're doing these. long-form conversations. I. taking. >> back. You'll say, "That was a really. interesting talk.".

And then you'll have somebody else on. who'll be talking about the importance. of melatonin and how we don't understand. uh. the role of sleep. And then you'll have somebody else, you. know, on with who will be talking about. how do you do a. a clothing brand from scratch uh and. turn it into a billion-dollar unicorn. You're not going to stay here on this. topic. This is your time with me. And it'll have some effect, and it'll.

start to fade. And and and that's what this is. I'd love to be doing my podcast. I just don't know how to do it safely. I I talk about taking our lives back. from the intelligence community. I want. to talk about taking our lives back from. Silicon Valley, even though those people. are my friends. I want to talk about taking my life back. from the phone. From despair, from not having a future.

I want to talk about having a glorious. existence that is not mediated by morons. who sit inside the Beltway. and play with large budgets and hurt. people. Particularly really good people. who are good at their job, we're trying. to figure out how to advance. humankind, their family, the national. interest, and get fouled. I did not ask for Jeffrey Epstein to. fall into my life. I met him once.

But it was enough to know, "Holy cow, the Harvard math department can't be. what I think it is.". Why was he there? I didn't even know I. never heard his name when I was there. Is that where you met him? In the in. Harvard? >> No, no, no. I think one very powerful people at JP. JP Morgan. told me I needed to meet him. He didn't want to talk about finance. He wanted to talk about science. You can't do your podcast safely.

Do you think. >> My employer was a special informant to. the FBI. He's like one of my closest friends. I'm. not going to say who it is. Your employer? Yeah, and one of my closest friends. I I live under a periscope. Proctoscope is really what I meant, but. Yeah, I don't I want to do physics, man.

I'm really, really good at it. You know? And if we have an idea that we shouldn't. do physics in public, I would like to. have a call from somebody inside. Hey Eric, we we need you to come in. Okay, great. What's up? But I didn't use your resources. I. didn't use your grants. Nobody ever informed me. My God, nobody. ever informed me about restricted data.

How many people on Earth know that. there's a doctrine that says physicists. don't have free speech? We can execute you for doing your job. It's never been tested in the courts and. I hope that the Supreme Court will not. allow it. But you know, if we have a problem that. is so serious in theoretical physics. that. it needs the the world's largest. exemption from free speech. We need to amend the Constitution. You. can't just do this as a sneak attack.

where you reserve the right casually to. hook the 1917 Espionage Act up against. the 1946 and 54 Atomic Energy Acts. I I've canvassed my physics colleagues. You know, like one of the memes against. me, which is very funny, is that no. physicists take me seriously when I'm in. their offices all the time. I I just don't know what my life is. And and with this latest advent of war.

in the Middle East. are you really going to pretend that if. you can Google all of these things that. I have no idea what I'm talking about? I'm looking to have a conversation with. my own government. I'm looking to have a conversation about. theoretical physics. And I can do it quietly, but I have. rights and I do not believe that the. 1946 and 1954 Atomic Energy Acts are. constitutional. Try me.

There is no restricted data. You can't do that to an American. And you can't just keep mounting covert. influence campaigns, you know? I just spent 5 days in a physics. department. I'm not allowed to say that. it was 5 days in a physics department as. a visitor. I gave a talk. I'm not allowed to say. that I gave a talk. I don't know what this is.

And I'm tired of it, you know? It's just. like. If you're managing the Middle East this. badly, if you're managing physics this. badly, if you're managing the national. economy this badly, if you screwed up COVID this badly by. getting inside of the Lancet and Nature, you know, peer review is this fake thing. that supposedly stretches back to the.

founding of the Royal Society. And it's. very clear from the scholarship around. it. that it comes out of night period. between 1965 and 1975 initiated by the. Medicare Act. predicated on the need for. editors for the journal expansion. founded by Pergamon Press and Robert. Maxwell. By 1975, there's a giant battle between the NSF. and both fiscal and cultural. conservatives.

against something called Man: A Course. of Study or MACOS. where peer review. was born in a Utah clinic, uh came out of the medical literature. because the federal government in 1965. with the Medicare Act picked up the need. to pay for so many medical procedures. They wanted to say, "Why are we. assigning this many medical procedures?". The doctors circled the wagons and said, "We will peer review each other.". Then in night By 1975, the NSF was under. the um microscope and they used peer.

review as a self-defense of last resort. to say we will be reviewing each other, right? Peer review is a myth. The scholarship is clear as day. I I can't keep going on the world's. largest podcast saying everything that. can be Googled and figured out, and just. constantly have as my reward. that the government refuses to have a. conversation with me and sends its.

gaggle of. of idiots to harass me. You think it's doing that? It's sending. a gaggle of. Yes, I do. I do think I think that some. of them are actual idiots who just enjoy. having causing problems, but I think. more than anything, we have a real. problem. Science is too powerful. The real if you wanted to just cut to. the. ultimate core of this, if four amino acids can shut down planet.

Earth, if what is it, a nine-page paper. solving the double spin problem can. create a new currency not backed by. violence, but backed by mathematics, if the concept of an inner product in a. large vector space. generates something you can't tell isn't. a human being. in 2017, do you have any idea what the power of. the human mind is.

at this point? Linear algebra. can create something that you would fall. in love with. It can create the most beautiful music. you can imagine, or can animate a photo. of a dead relative so that you can. actually have the experience of having. some video of you with a great. grandparent you can't even remember. Science is the most amazing, powerful, crazy stuff possible. And we spend a fortune. trying to convince people that.

scientists are worthless. That scientists are incapable. And in large measure they've convinced. the scientists themselves. My My. colleagues, the supposed physicists, will spend their entire lives pretending. to do physics and retire without ever. having actually done any. I was in this physics department I was. just in. It's been a long time since I. since I've spent that long as a visitor. The top people in this physics. department.

professed that they had no interest in. the physical world. That they only cared about the. mathematics that they were doing. And I. just thought, you're in a theoretical physics. group. and you profess openly that you have no. interest whatsoever in the physical. world. Well done. I don't know who you were. I don't know how you did it, but it took. you four decades to get the physicist to. stop caring about the physical physical.

world. Somehow what we did. is we stopped the world's most powerful. and the world's most important group. from making progress. And why Elon Musk. is not out here. saving this. by just throwing a few billion at it. You know, Elon, if you're out there, it's ad astra, yes or no? Mars is a stopgap message. Do you want. to go to the stars? Is there something. we don't know?

To the Department of Energy, do you want. to have conversations? Is there anyone at all out here? That's. my question. That's why I do the. podcasts. And it's By the way, I'm. repeating myself. I've said this before. Send lawyers, guns, and money. There's. no one out here. But, I will say this. If we could get out of here, you know, in terms of transcendence, in. terms of things that are really. exciting, there's nothing that I had. greater pleasure at as a father than. taking my children for meteor showers.

We take the dog, go to a secret location. outside of Los Angeles that's quite. dark. We just lie under the sky. and watch for hours, you know? And look up at the heavens and think, "My god, that's a destination. That's. someplace I could go.". I don't think that there's a more. inspiring thing than to figure out the. infinity of space, all of these galaxies. in the deep-field photographs of these. space telescopes,

filled with worlds. And we're stuck here. It's like, "It's enough already. Time to. go. Let's have some fun." That's That's. really what I'm excited about. Been great here Great to be here. Thank you for being here. Super fascinating and it's spun my brain. in several different directions at the. same time. I want to I want to bring it um back to. the person who's who's got to the end of.

this conversation and they're sat at. home in their boxer shorts, maybe. listening on their iPhone as they fall. asleep, wherever they are in the world. or on a train or plane or whatever, and. allow you to offer them some kind of. closing message that might make their. life better. in some way. It's a broad brief, but I think it's the. most important brief, which is. you know, uh can having heard everything. we've talked about today, what advice would you give the listener, an actionable piece of advice so that. they could live. a subjectively better life?

The songs of Tom Lehrer are pretty. terrific, as are the operettas of. Gilbert and Sullivan. You might want to. explore the Azores as well as the. Indonesian. archipelago. Indonesian's one of the. easiest languages to learn because it's. been denuded of most of the complexity. that screw up people have a hard time. learning other languages. Buy a poster of tropical fruit and make. sure that you visit every single one on.

that poster before it's time for lights. out. Consider Box B Minor Mass and the cello. suites particularly by Pablo Casals and. take a serious listen to Yma Sumac. uh singing Stormy Monday in an album. called Live from Blues Alley to see if. uh. you really know how to feel things. I. think Professor Longhair's Big Chief. is one of the most brilliant pieces of. piano music. It's absolutely inspiring. and if you really like that, James. Carroll Booker the Third has an album.

called The Resurrection of the Bayou. Maharaja. Seriously think about. visiting the island of Saint Helena in. the South Atlantic. Take a look at Kurt J. Mangles channel. He's doing amazing stuff being done by. no one else on Earth. I think that Chris. Buck is really amazing and if you think. that Crossroads is good, have a listen. to his version of Miss You by The. Rolling Stones. An incredible groove and I didn't really. appreciate it the first time I heard it.

I think that the people making Spark. Amps at Positive Grid. and the my friends at Neural DSP. uh with the Quad Cortex will blow your. mind with how much great audio equipment. you can make. You can get a good. electric guitar for a few hundred bucks. thanks to advances in China. Put it into an open tuning and buy. yourself a slide or just slide a glass. along it and you'll be able to play most. songs that you care about with in a. minute or two, maybe three cuz you only.

need three chords. Get married. It may not work out. It may be. miserable. Have some kids. There's. nothing else great to do on this planet. At at give it a try. And if your parents. won't pressure you to do it, I'm happy. to do it. Try to keep this thing going. Try to keep this thing going. Try to. dream big about legacy. Don't feel. embarrassed about wanting to conquer the. world or leave a permanent stain. Get. out of this moment where everybody's. worried about narcissism and drama.

Listen for meteor showers. They're. announced regularly. Nobody actually. does anything about them and it's worth. inconveniencing yourself with people you. love and take the dog. Really seriously think about you won't. whether you want to pile on when you see. what is almost certainly. a federal or other campaign targeting. people who are standing up for you, whether they're trying to figure out. where COVID came from, trying to figure. out who was behind Jeffrey Epstein.

Recognize that almost everything you've. been taught to do in terms of hating. Israel is part of somebody's campaign. Out of cutter, the situation in Gaza is. incredibly dire. Don't stop caring about. the people who are living under that. Recognize that the Persians are not the. mullahs. Get involved. Wish your. Wish your country's leadership well even. if you didn't vote for them and you. think that they're horrible people. They've got very hard work to do. Be good to each other. Try. It's a grand.

adventure. And um. make sure you have some fun before it's. lights out. That's it. We have a closing tradition where the. last guest leaves a question for the. next guest not knowing who they're. leaving it for. And the question that was left for you. I love this question. What is the problem that you are doing. the most mental gymnastics to avoid?

Pass. >> I know the answer. It's not appropriate. for your audience. One of the things about being in the hot. seat on podcasts. is is that it is not right to force. anyone to respond to a question. I know. how to falsify an answer to that and I'm. not going to do that and I'm not going.

to share the answer to that question. because it's not appropriate. But it's a. great question. Feel free to leave it. for someone else. It doesn't seem fair. Whoever you were, thank you for the. question. Obviously, my reaction was just. tremendous curiosity, which would be a. natural reaction to what you just said. Thank you for a great interview. >> Thank you so much for being here. I was. so grateful to you. So unbelievably. fascinating and. you've given me so much. Unfortunately, you've given me a lot of. answers, but you've given me even more. questions and maybe that's the product. of a good conversation.

>> in LA? Yeah. We'll do it again. Thank. you so much for your time. I really. appreciate you. I appreciate you. Thank. you. Thanks. We launched these conversation cards and. they sold out. We launched them again. and they sold out again. We launched. them again and they sold out again. because people love playing these with. colleagues at work, with friends at home. and also with family. And we've also got. a big audience that use them as journal. prompts. Every single time a guest comes. on the Diary of a CEO, they leave a. question for the next guest in the diary. and I've sat here with some of the most. incredible people in the world and. they've left all of these questions in.

the diary and I've ranked them from one. to three in terms of the depth. One. being a starter question and a level. three, if you look on the back here, this is a level three, becomes a much. deeper question that builds even more. connection. If you turn the cards over. and you scan that QR code, you can see. who answered the card and watch the. video of them answering it in real time. So if you would like to get your hands. on some of these conversation cards, go. to the diary.com or look at the link in. the description below.