The Ozempic Expert: Ozempic Transforms Your Gut Microbiome! People Are Being Overdosed On Ozempic!

This is not what they're telling us. We. can start to heal some of these chronic. lifestyle conditions that are so rampant. with tiny doses of this. It's like. opening a window of opportunity for. somebody to completely change their. life. Dr. Tina Moore is a distinguished. naturopathic physician. whose groundbreaking work is leading the. way in combating some of the biggest. diseases and medical conditions that our. modern world currently faces. Everyone's. saying that Ozempic is evil, this is the. worst thing ever, but a lot of people. are being overdosed for weight loss and. this leads to a very high risk for side. effects. But Ozempic done correctly has.

all these other benefits that have. nothing to do with weight loss and they. are just mind-blowing. Healing and. reversing type 1 diabetes, Parkinson's. and Alzheimer's. We've got studies. showing really positive impacts on. depression and anxiety and potentially. reducing cancer risk. It shifts your gut. microbiome to a more favorable. microbiome and then my daughter's PCOS. symptoms reversed which is probably one. of the number one drivers of infertility. in young women. I mean, holy sh. and I've seen it with my patients and. I've seen it with myself cuz I lived. with chronic pain my whole life.

And I remember by the end of 2021. thinking, if this doesn't get better, I think I'm going to kill myself. But I started myself at a tiny little. dose and the destruction fell away. Dr. Tina Moore, what would you scream to. the world right now? We are eating a. chemical storm of a food supply. Young. women are bathing in toxic chemicals. through their beauty habits. Microbiome. disruption from all the antibiotics. I. joke that humans are going extinct, but. I think it's really happening if we. don't right this ship. But there's. things we can do that are non-negotiable.

that have nothing to do with drugs. Your six pillars for a pain-free life. Yes. First of all, I would. Congratulations Diary of a CEO gang, we've made some progress. 63% of you. that listen to this podcast regularly. don't subscribe which is down from 69%. Our goal is 50%. So if you've ever liked. any of the videos we've posted, if you. like this channel, can you do me a quick. favor and hit the subscribe button. It. helps this channel more than you know. and the bigger the channel gets, as. you've seen, the bigger the guest get.

Thank you and enjoy this episode. Dr. Tina Moore. Who are you by profession. and. what is the mission that you're on? So I'm a naturopathic physician and a. chiropractor. I don't know if you have. naturopathic physicians here in the UK. We are trained formally in a four-year. medical program and we take national. board exams, North American, I should.

say. And we are taught root cause medicine. So the functional medicine community. basically appropriated our medicine many. years ago. If you've heard of functional. I'm you've had doctors on their. functional medicine practitioners. And it's the idea that the body can heal. itself. We are looking to restore. homeostasis in the individual. So why. are things awry? I'm less interested in. someone's diagnosis as much as I am why. are they presenting with that symptom. picture? What's going on? And I was mentored up by one of the. finest naturopathic physicians in our. profession over the past many decades.

and he died of cancer in 2013 and I took. over his practice. He was a force to be reckoned with. So I. carry that flag with me and he was a. truth teller and he was. often ostracized by our profession for. being ahead of the game and, you know, being ahead of the story usually and I. learned so much from him about metabolic. health and how metabolic health was. really the root cause driver of so many. diseases, lifestyle induced diseases.

that we're seeing in and on a worldwide. level. Can you give me just a bit of a. glimpse in it for someone that's never. heard the term naturopathic physician. before? Which which I guess means. naturopathic doctor. Mhm. Right. What is the difference between like a. normal doctor and a naturopathic doctor? So a traditional allopathic physician is. what you're going to be familiar with. with an MD. They're trained in a system. where algorithmically they are taught to. find disease processes and then they. have a standard care that they follow.

which is to prescribe X, Y and Z Yeah. for the standard of care and that's not. how they always were. Naturopathic medicine was born out of. old-timey European MDs. So back in. Germany and, you know, long time ago. when we didn't have all the fancy lab. tests and we didn't have all the fancy. pharmaceuticals, we were treating people. to bolster their health, really. You. know, it's taking you as an individual, finding out what makes you tick and then.

how can we optimize your health overall? Symptoms and illness falls away when you. treat the body, when you treat the. individual in front of you. So I don't. treat diseases, I treat people. That's. the difference. Whereas in allopathic. medicine, they are very obsessed with. the. diagnosis and then what pills do we. apply to that diagnosis? Which is different than why is this. person presenting this way and what can. we do to help them along.

the journey of. optimizing their health so the symptoms. fall away. And you you said you took over a clinic. there. Yeah. What kind of patients do. you see in that practice? Did you see in. that practice and what was the sort of. variety of illness or disorder or. disease that you came across? So his practice was predominantly. musculoskeletal medicine. So it was. chronic joint dysfunction and he did a. specialized type of medicine called. prolotherapy and regenerative injection. therapies. The modern version of that is.

stem cells. You've probably heard of. stem cell injections. I'm sure everyone. has by this point. Platelet-rich plasma. is another one. And that's what he. specialized in, but it's not just about. shooting fancy substances into people's. joints. You have to get the person into. a healing state first. So you need them. optimized so that they want to heal. So. that means hormones, that means. nutrition, that means lifestyle. Those. things are far more critical to get. lined up than it is to start shooting. fancy substances into their joints. Even. if those substances come from their own. body. Even if we're sucking out their. own stem cells and we're sucking out.

their own blood and we're using those. It's far more important that you get the. person in an optimized state so that. they. want to heal. So I would I you know, I'd. ask patients, if you cut your fingertip. off or just sliced yourself terribly, do. you heal well? And if they said yes, they were a wonderful candidate for. those types of injections. If they did. not, then they weren't because they. weren't in a good healing state at that. point. So my job was to get them in a. healing state and then to apply the. treatments. What is a healing state? It's when you fall down and you don't.

fall apart. It's when you get sick with. something and you get over it. It's when. you cut yourself and you heal readily. and you don't, you know, succumb to. terrible infections. And I think we've. ended up as a society. where the norm has become to be somewhat. immunocompromised. I think a lot of. people are walking around, not not you. younger folks, but at least in the US, a. lot of people are walking around in this. sort of semi-immunocompromised state. Much of it is due to metabolic. dysfunction which is something he was. always drilling into me. What is.

metabolic dysfunction? It is when your. metabolic health at its core is the. ability to take in the foods that you. eat and assimilate them properly. So if. you were to eat proteins and fats and. carbohydrates, you would turn them into the fuel that. they need to be. You would turn them. into the proteins in your body that they. need to be. When. that goes awry which is. almost 100% of US adults at this point. from what the data is showing, things don't go so well and so what that.

leads to, this metabolic dysfunctional. pattern leads to insulin resistance. which is essentially prediabetes. which is the long game into type 2. diabetes. And we've completely. normalized that process at least during. my lifetime. I've watched that happen. I'm 50 years old so I've watched this. happen especially since I got into. medicine working for my mentor Dr. Rick. watching folks go down this pathway of. normalization into type 2 diabetes and.

it's not until they get there that the. doctor says, "Oop, you have type 2. diabetes, we got to do something about. it. Here's your pills.". And there's. 15 to 20 years of legwork that can be. done before that happens and that's. where I think naturopathic medicine. really shines and where preventative. functional medicine, all of us are in. the same camp. We're all doing the same. thing. We're really trying to just help. the patient in front of us, not so much. the disease process. We're trying to. make sure that the person's optimized so. that they can. become more resilient, so that their. immune system works properly, so that. the foods that they eat are assimilated.

properly and they don't end up in a. cellular milieu of disaster. Is is there. like a fundamental belief that you have. about human beings, how we heal, how to. be healthy. um. and the body, I guess, that you think is. in contrast or conflict with the current. system? Like a set of fundamental. underlying beliefs cuz we all have like. a set of sunglasses on, our lens of how. we see the world. Yes. And what I've obviously learned. from doing this podcast is everyone. seems to be wearing slightly different.

lenses. Mhm. You know, as to their view. on health, the the health care system, humans healing, society. What are those sort of fundamental. underlying beliefs that you have? It's a. great question. I think that in. traditional naturopathic medicine, the. purest would tell you that there's no. room for pharmaceuticals and that you. must only go with nature, the healing. power of nature, stoke the individual's. vitality. That's very important in. naturopathic medicine. We're looking at. the vitality of an individual. Some.

would call that an aura. I think that's. a little too esoteric. It is. when you look at someone, are they. are they glowing vitality? Do they look. healthy? You can see it. I know you can. everyone can see it when you actually. point it out to people. Do they look. healthy or are they sort of walking. around in gray scale? Right? And I think a lot of people these days. are unfortunately walking around in gray. scale cuz they've sort of. you know, we've all been listening to. the mainstream narrative and the food. supply is busted. This has been going on. for decades. My mentor was talking about this decades. ago and nobody was listening and now.

people I think are starting to get hip. to it because we've got the internet, we've got podcasts like yours and mine. and where we're trying to get the, you. know, the information out. And it's the. inherent ability of the body to heal. However, I do think there's a place for. pharmaceuticals and I have a license to. prescribe in the state of Oregon and I'm. not afraid to use it because in my mind. and the way that my mentor taught me is. somebody comes in and they're on this. many pharmaceuticals. I mean, I'm 50, the average person my age is on five. different pharmaceuticals at this point. which is crazy to me and I don't know.

what the stats are in the UK, but I. can't imagine they're tremendously. better. So, they come in on all these. drugs and their lifestyle is in somewhat. of shambles. And so my job is to. optimize lifestyle so that I can get. these down to the lowest or to nil. Ideally, we could get them off, but if. they need a little something then great. I was also taught by him to implement. longevity medicine which is hormones and. making sure that people are able to. maintain physiological levels of optimal. hormone function as we age which is. really important to aging well. And so.

it's just kind of a mix of using the. best of nature and that science has to. offer and treating the person in front. of you. Of all the case studies that you. have in your mind, experience and in. your past, is there one that you are. most proud of? It was 2019. My career was really taking off and my. mom kept telling me that she didn't feel. good. And I was like, my mom is a rock. My. mom's My mom's like comes up to here on. me. I call her my little mama and she. just chugs along and I was like, oh,

she'll be fine. She's like, no, I really. don't feel good and I kept blowing her. off because I was too busy and I was on. planes all the time and traveling all. the time and I was never home. And my. mom came to visit me at my house and. she came out of the bathroom and she. said. she's like, I. like I can't hold my bowels. Like I I. can't. I'm so sick. And so I immediately started testing her. and she had Crohn's disease and my. grandmother had died of Crohn's disease. and several people in her side of the. family had died of Crohn's disease.

and I just hadn't put two and two. together that my mom may have had, but. she had all the symptoms. Like growing. up, she had all the symptoms and I just. never put it together. And it was hitting her. It It rears its. ugly head when folks hit their elder. years, like in their 70s. They call it. you know, colitis of the elderly and. people basically get it and die. They. just [ __ ] themselves to death. And so my mom was in it and I was like, oh, no. And I pulled out everything I had and I. have access to some incredible. regenerative.

substances that, you know, most people. don't and I can use them off-label in. ways that. you know, in most people don't even. think to do and I threw everything I had. at her. because I knew if I had sent her into. the allopathic system, they were going. to do a colonoscopy on her and what that. does is they flush you out. before they do the colonoscopy and if I. if her flora were to get flushed out of. her gut at that point, I don't think she. would have come out of the hospital. because they end up getting secondary. infections. And so I I pulled her out of.

it. I got her out of the really acute. phase and then I immediately referred. her to my colleague who is a brilliant. physician, naturopathic physician and I. was like, take over. I'm not I don't. want to manage my mom. But I needed to get her I I I knew that. it was the skill set that I had in. particular that was going to pull her. out of that and so we did it and. she came to me one day after she was. better and she was stabilized and she. said, you saved my life. And at the time. I was. really bitching about my.

half a million dollars of student loan. debt that was just compounding and. compounding and compounding and. I was really frustrated by the fact that. I couldn't get on top of it and I had at. that point spent like a hundred thousand. dollars paying off my loans and they. were still at the same level. I mean, it's just criminal that system. And she. said, you saved my life. It was worth. every penny, you know. And then my. daughter turned around who had just gone. through a very difficult time herself. and she said, you saved my life too, Mom, this year and I was like. well, if that was what it cost to gain.

the knowledge that I gained to save my. daughter and my mother and then my dad. was like, you saved my life you bailed. me out many times and I was like, okay, that's So, it was kind of um. it was just kind of ironic that was the. end of my big. clinical career, you know, when I had my. big brick and mortar with the high. volume patient base and all of that. I. still see patients, but not at that. level and so that was really. I was like, thank God I had the. knowledge and the tools and the know-how. to and the fearlessness to apply some of. the therapies that I applied the way I.

did to In terms of before and after. what sort of picture of health would I. observe if I saw her on that day when. she walked out of the toilet versus you. know, after the. the variety of different therapies that. you applied? Well, this is a good story because she. was super gray and super thin. My mom. has always been kind of, you know, hippie and curvy and I mean, she's we're. built different. She's she's the more, you know, she's the curvy one and she was just. rail thin and gray and all of her hair.

was falling out. I mean, she just I. can't believe I missed it. I can't. believe it went on that long that I. didn't see it and I I still carry guilt. to this day and I always apologize to. her for being too busy to. I can't believe I let my stress level. get so high that I didn't see it, you. know. And then she ended up on a slew of. pharmaceuticals that were too expensive. to get in the United States, so she had. to get them from Canada. So, her. naturopathic physician is managing her. So, she's getting medication, very. expensive medication from Canada. and she's doing okay. And then in the last nine months, I put.

her on the tiniest droplet of. semaglutide which is Ozempic. And she is phenomenal. All of her joint. pain's gone. Her gut's completely. regulated and normalized. She is down on. a minimal dose of this medication that. she's getting from Canada. She's still. taking it, but it's a tiny dose. Her. cognition has improved significantly. because through this process she was. starting to get low-grade dementia. whether she realizes it or not. My. daughter and I were noticing it. We were. like, is Grandma okay? And so.

when people come at me for talking about. microdosing Ozempic, I will not back. down because my mom is solid and it's. the tiniest amount and she even said to. me just the other day before I was. coming on the show. I was telling her I. was stressed. I was trying to get ready. for the trip, you know, overseas and she. said, you know, I was so stressed out. before you put me on semaglutide because. my dad's health is very poor and she. said I was so stressed that I. really felt like it was going to do me. in. Like I was at capacity and you put. me on the semaglutide and all of the.

anxiety and stress just dropped away. And I was like that's cuz it's. calming to neuroinflammation which is. secondary to chronic gastrointestinal. diseases. When the gut is inflamed, the. brain's inflamed. So, she was dealing. with all this chronic brain. inflammation, all this gut inflammation. and she's on this tiny little dose of. Ozempic and she's. very solid and she's her color's back. She's filled in again. She's curvy. again. She's eating normally. She.

doesn't I mean, she couldn't eat hardly. anything ever for years and so now she's. back to eating very normally. She's. still got to watch what she eats, but. you know, it's not a free-for-all, but. she is she's back. The other I guess. glaringly obvious case study for your. work, but also I think many of the. things we're going to talk about like. microdosing Ozempic is you. Yeah. Because as I read through your. story from your childhood years through. your teenage years and even in. university um and then even later into. your career and I guess also now cuz you. mentioned that you you still deal with.

chronic pain. you are your own case study. I am. Can you give me a view of of the. struggles you've been through in terms. of your health um and really where that. started. What was the sort of first. first instance where you experienced the. pain, the trauma, etc., etc.? So, I always had stomach aches. Always. Since I was a child, always and. was hit with really pretty severe. anxiety. I didn't know what it was at. the time, but it was anxiety and I.

started getting chronic pain in my. teenage years and I out of nowhere when. I was about 15, the lights went out on. me. I just became extremely suicidal and. depressed out of nowhere. I mean, it was. like somebody just switched a lever. I. had moved to Oregon from Southern. California. I do believe that the lack. of light. was massive. I think that people really. I'm really starting to appreciate it's. taken me all these decades, but light. deficiency is a huge issue that we're. not no one's talking about. A few people. are, but You're talking about like.

vitamin D production as well right there. cuz there's. Oh, that was huge. So, that took years. You know, nobody was talking about that. It was not until decades later I was. sitting in naturopathic medicine school. I was in college and. um I think I was in year three of that. program and this doctor, Dr. Alex. Vasquez came to lecture at grand rounds. and he started talking about vitamin D. and sunlight deficiency and I had been. kind of low-grade looking into sunlight. deficiency because it turns out the. hospitals of yore really would optimize.

sunlight and they would have sun. porches. I don't know if you've seen the. photos. They would roll all the kids out. and all of the convalescing ill people. out. I mean, that's how people survived. the 1918 flu was the ones who got. sunlight and the ones who were able to. go to these hospitals and they would. build the hospitals to optimize light. exposure inside the ward cuz they knew. it kept the bacteria counts down and I. mean, even if they didn't know what. bacteria was or what was happening, they. knew that when sunlight penetrated, people were you know, healthier and. things were cleaner and infections. didn't seem to spread and so I hit my.

20s and long story short, I was rocking. psoriatic arthritis for decades before I. ever figured it out and it really. culminated for me. I went through a lot of chronic pain. I. went through a lot of misery. I went. through a lot of autoimmune issues and. then I got everything dialed in. I. thought I had it handled. Interestingly, autoimmune disease will flare and will. recede and flare and recede and it's. kind of on cue. Like you'll see it. around 10 to 11 years old, especially. with things like Crohn's disease, you'll. see these little glimmers pop up for.

kids and then it goes away. And then you'll see them present in. their teenage years and often they'll. present with you know, mental emotional. issues and not so much the. gastrointestinal issues, but it's the. same process going on in the body. And. then it'll go away and then it might. flare again postpartum because of that. big hormone surge that happens with. childbirth and then it'll go away and. then it'll come back with a vengeance in. menopause as the hormones again shift. majorly and that's what was happening. for me and then all of the stress of. pushing back against the narrative. really caught up with me and I was I.

nothing that I knew to do was working. So the whole protocol I put my mother. through was not working for me. Nothing. was touching it and that is how I came. to start studying GLP-1 agonists. I. started I was researching anything that. would calm neural inflammation because. at the end of the day. diseases down here are coming from here. And when the brain's on fire and the. brain's inflamed the immune system gets. sent completely sideways and the. downstream processes culminate in.

autoimmune disease, pain, hormonal. disruption, you name it. And so. I. that's how I ended up I literally put. into Google GLP-1 and neural. inflammation and. all these studies showed up and that's. what got me going. Two questions there. So GLP-1 is Ozempic? So it's yes, it's. the peptide that the body makes. naturally. We make it in the brain and we make it. in the gut. But if somebody's had a life. of chronic gut inflammation, I don't. think they're making it so well in the.

gut. And. Ozempic is just a. it's several versions down in the. generational line of these. peptides called incretins. They're um. they're a whole family that started way. back 20 some years ago and they've just. gotten a little bit nicer with less side. effects and longer half-life as we go. along the journey. So the last decent. one was liraglutide, although compliance. was low because it made people feel. really terrible and they had to inject.

it too frequently. I think it was daily. or I think that's how it is still. And. then semaglutide is a newer generation, tirzepatide is a newer generation and so. they're they're just getting a little. more potent and I don't mean potent in a. pharmaceutical way. I mean they're. starting to realize how these work and. they're they're getting craftier with. not only keeping them in the body for. the time that they need. So the. half-life gets longer, but they're. finding in the suite of signaling. peptide hormones that are involved with. appetite and with metabolic health and.

insulin secretion and insulin. sensitivity, they're finding better and. better ways to combine these to get. optimal function with the least amount. of side effects. Okay. And at that. moment in your life where you started. Googling GLP-1 and inflammation etc. If I was a fly on the wall. in your life at that moment. what would I've what would I've seen? What was the sort of picture.

of. desperation or. you know? So 2021 I spent most of that. year on my back cuz I was in so much. pain. It was crazy. And my husband when. he met me, he met me in 2019 and we got. married in 2020. And I told him I had chronic pain and I. told him I had a funny immune system, but he had never seen it. Like he'd. never seen it full force and he got to. see it that year. He was like, wow, so. this is what chronic pain looks like. I. mean it's it was devastating and my. spine was fusing and I'm active. Like I. do Pilates and I dance a lot and I hula.

hoop and I roller skate and I lift. weights and I'm you know, I'm moving and. shaking. I was not moving and shaking in. 2021. I was 2021 I was flat on my back. on the couch and I remember by the end. of 2021 thinking. if this doesn't get better. I think I'm going to kill myself. Like I. couldn't do it anymore. Like I just. couldn't live with that level of pain. and my spine was fusing and I could feel. it and I kept trying to tell everyone. something is wrong. And my chiropractor friends were great,

but they knew musculoskeletal medicine. and my naturopathic friends were great, but they knew systemic medicine and I I. needed me. I needed my brain on the. case. Like someone who had both, right? And I just couldn't get on top of it and. then finally I I don't know how or why I. I went kind of into the story. Oh, I. know what it was. I broke out with. psoriasis. I broke out with psoriasis. all over my scalp. And I was like, oh, this is what this is. This is psoriatic. arthritis, which turns out to be one of. the most painful musculoskeletal. autoimmune conditions you can have. It.

it's worse than rheumatoid arthritis on. the pain scale from what the studies. show. So I was like, okay, now that I. know what I'm dealing with, what can I. do? So I started pulling out all the. stops and all the things I knew to do, low-dose naltrexone, exosomes, you name. it. I was doing everything. It really wasn't bringing it down or it. would work for a minute and it would it. would it would wear off. And so I was. getting desperate and my pod I have a. podcast and my podcast producer said, you got to do an episode on Ozempic. And. I was like, I don't I don't like talking. about weight loss. I really don't like.

talking about weight loss. It people get. so emotionally triggered and it's a big. topic and it's nuanced and. it's not as simple as people want to. make it be. And in my functional. medicine world, people want to make it. so simplistic, just exercise more and. eat less and take these supplements and. it'll go carnivore and it'll all go. away. It's not that simple. There's. genetic components, there's brain. components, there's epigenetic. components and. it was like the Pandora's Box I didn't. want to open. And so finally I was like, okay, fine.

I'm going to start researching these and. I was sitting I was laying on the couch. on my back. And it's 2023 at this point, but I'm. still having to take frequent breaks, right? On my back. So I'd go exercise. and I'd have to lay down for 3 hours. So. I'm Googling and I look up GLP-1 and. neural inflammation cuz I always start. there. I always start with pain, neuroinflammation. and immune activation. I always want to. know what any substance does in those. cuz that's my world, right? Cuz that's. what I did in clinical practice. And I.

Googled that and my husband's in the. kitchen and I was like. holy [ __ ] And I turned the phone around. and I was like, look at this. And he's. like, I don't know what that means, babe. And I was like this is not what. they're telling us. Like this is not. what cuz that was at the height of. mainstream media and all the clickbait. headlines and you know, mom is. overdosing on Ozempic and people's. stomachs are paralyzed forever and I was. like so then I started of course looking. at all that. Like is that for real? Like. are they really getting gastroparesis.

forever? No. So I start going into all. the data and I just that was it. It was. like the rabbit hole and it that was May. of 2023 and I've been knee-deep in it. ever since just consumed by any and all. informa and then of course everybody. start I started doing podcast about it. on my show and everyone's sending me all. the information and hundreds of people. are reaching out to me telling me these. really profound stories and changes in. their health that have nothing to do. with weight loss or diabetes and so. that was it. I was like, I got I got bit.

by some kind of um well, you know, I. don't like propaganda. I don't like when I hear everybody. saying the same thing. It makes me. suspicious, you know, when everyone's. running in one direction screaming this. is evil. This is this is this is you. know, the worst thing ever. I was like I. don't know this has been around for 20. some years, not semaglutide, but this. version of medication, this family of. medication and so I don't know. I was. like, I'm not buying this. I'm going to.

find out what the truth is. And so I. called every doctor I knew that might. use it. I called every pharmacist I knew. that might use it. Nobody was seeing any of these horrific. side effects. Like the stories you were. seeing on the media currently, what was. that? Summer That was really it it came. to like full height summer of 2023. I. think that was when everybody was losing. their minds about it. The minute they. started talking about weight loss. people started losing their minds about. it, which I find very interesting. And. what I was finding in the literature was.

not at all adding up to what. I was hearing. And then there were all. of these other benefits that. were just mind-blowing. You know, benefits on healing and reversing type 1. diabetes. Healing and reversing. neurocognitive conditions like. Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Efficacy with alcohol cessation. People. who were you know, alcohol abuse. syndrome, using it for that. People who also had the this type of.

it's HLA-B27. It's a genetic propensity. towards these. um. spondyloarthritises like psoriatic. arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, those. kinds of things. Having showing efficacy. for that. And as I started speaking out. about it, I was getting messages back. from people. telling me their stories. Hundreds and. hundreds of people telling me their. stories and I and then seeing what was. happening with my patients. So I started. applying it to everyone I was treating. for different reasons. At different. doses. Very tiny doses though, very.

little bits. And just seeing really. profound changes in people. And I. it's not what we're hearing. And I don't. think that the way also that it's being. done in the standard model is. ideal for everyone. I think a lot of. people are being dosed too high, too. fast and I think a lot of people are. being overdosed cuz at the end of the. day it's a hormone. It's a peptide. signaling hormone and so people are. being cranked up on doses very quickly. There's a 16-week escalation and they go. from this amount to this amount very.

quickly and in the journey, many people. are reporting horrific gastrointestinal. side effects, which are real. But it's. not the peptide's fault. It's the it's a. peptide at the end of the day as well, which is I can explain what that is. Yeah, if you had to explain what Ozempic. is or what go over your, you know, this. this compound is just to a 10-year-old. Yeah, okay. How would you explain it? So, you eat amino acids, you eat protein. and it breaks down into amino acids. Yeah. And amino acids link up with. peptide bonds into chains called.

peptides. And then peptides What's a. peptide bond? Uh, it's just a simplistic. bond that binds two amino acids. together. So, it can be broken pretty. readily with different enzymes. And. that's in my body, the peptide bond is. in my body. Yeah, so your body has all. these enzymes present and the amino. acids link up very simplistically into. different chains. And then those chains. of amino acids are called peptides. And. peptides link up to form proteins and. your body is made of proteins, your. whole body. All of your tissue is made.

out of proteins. And your cellular. receptors are made out of proteins, everything's made out of proteins. So, if you go backwards, those smaller. versions are the amino acids, I'm sorry, or peptides and the smaller versions of. that yet are the amino acids. Mhm. So, we eat protein, we break it. down into amino acids and we reconstruct. it into more protein. Mhm. And so, peptides are these chains of. amino acids that we've got all different. types of therapeutic peptides and they. insert themselves where they need to go.

to do what they need to do. Mhm. So, that's it at the end of the day. And. what so, what's a Zempic in that? Is is. Zempic is a peptide? It's a peptide. And it's made in our L. cells of our gut, which line from the. most proximal to the distal small. intestine and it. secrete these cells secrete GLP-1 in the. presence of glucose, which is sugar when. we eat sugary foods or. food well, all carbohydrates break down. into glucose. So, whenever we eat. glucose and they respond actually when a.

bolus of food so, the mechanism of a. blob of food going through our guts. actually gets these cells to trigger. Mhm. However, I have tested thousands of. people's guts in my clinical practice in. my clinical lifetime and people's guts. are a mess. Most people have compromised. digestion. So, I don't think their L. cells are working optimally in many. cases. And we also have literature, good solid. science to show that those who are. suffering with obesity, type 2 diabetes.

and fatty liver and that whole metabolic. syndrome, you know, groupage, those folks are. GLP-1 deficient. So, when I take a. Zempic, it's causing my. gut, basically, my body to release. GLP-1. No, it is the GLP-1. Oh, it is. the GLP-1. Yep, so we're not causing the. gut to do anything, we are mimicking the. actual peptide. Ah, okay, so it's got. the same sort of. atomic structure. Is it GLP-1? So, my. body thinks it's GLP-1. I guess it is. GLP-1 as far as things are concerned.

And then the GLP-1 is doing what to me? Well, so it's semaglutide, for instance, is bioidentical to the GLP-1 that our. body secretes. So, it's the same except. it's been tweaked with a little bit, they've added some lipids to it to make. the half-life longer. So, it lasts. longer. So, normally GLP-1 would be. secreted from our cells, it's also. secreted from our brain, which we got to. get into cuz that's where I got really. excited. It's secreted from our body and. it's broken down very quickly. And so, these.

newer versions of these incretin. hormones or incretin peptides are broken. down at a slower pace. Okay, and then. what does GLP-1 do? It does all kinds of cool things. So, it most notably what it's known for. is to decrease appetite. Mhm. And that. happens centrally in the brain. Yeah. It. slows gastric motility, so it slows. things down so you feel fuller for. longer. That's at higher doses, that. doesn't always need to happen. And.

that is what it is known for and it also. has induction of it it plays with the. cells of your pancreas and it gets them. to secrete insulin at the right time. And so, most folks are walking around in some. degree of insulin resistance as they age. and that is the beginning glimmers of. type 2 diabetes. And so, GLP-1's help. that process, it helps sensitize the. cells to the insulin and it helps. secrete the insulin when needed.

And when you were struggling. in 2023, Yeah. you started taking a Zempic, semaglutide, one of these brands. Yeah. What impact did it have on you? So, I got a compounded version because I. thought that the starting dose let's. back up. The brand name, the. prescription that most people are. familiar with are these little. pre-filled pens. Yeah. And the pens only. come in certain doses. You can't control. the dosage. You start at the lowest dose.

that they offer and then you have to. escalate from there. Or if your doctor's. cool, they won't make you escalate too. much, but either way, you don't get to. go lower than the dose that it starts. and it starts at 0.25 mg. I thought that that was way too high, especially for someone like myself. I'm. very metabolically optimized. I have. good muscle mass, I have very good bone. density, I have my labs look beautiful, I'm hormonally optimized, I'm on. bioidentical hormone replacement, I'm. very active, I exercise often, my sleep. is good. And I thought my thinking was,

I wonder if. some of us are actually a little GLP-1. deficient from whether a life of. not because we have obesity, diabetes. and fatty liver, there's different reasons why those. folks would be deficient. Insulin at. high levels itself will actually induce. some GLP-1 deficiency, it'll it'll. decrease in GLP-1 signaling. My thinking. was, I wonder if folks are just. genetically or maybe we got ourselves. there through chronic illness, whatever. it may be, I wonder if there's a little. bit of a deficiency. What if I.

supplement this peptide like I would a. hormone, which the way I do that is I. give people the lowest dose necessary to. achieve a physiologic impact that's. favorable and then I cap it. So, if you. need a little bit of thyroid, the. standard model would have you take, well, you know, the algorithm says you. have hypothyroidism, so we're going to. give you this much and we're going to. give you this exact drug. In my world, we compound what we need, maybe you need. a little more T3 than T4, maybe you need. a tiny dose, maybe we titrate you up.

until you start getting a little. symptomatic and we're like, oh, let's. back it down a little. So, my thinking. was to use it that way. So, I asked. everyone I knew, are you using this for. anything other than appetite suppression. or weight loss or diabetes? And they all. said no, nobody really was. None of my. colleagues were anyway. And they were all starting at a dose. that I still thought was too high. So, I. started myself at a tiny little dose. and my first impact was brain clarity. Within days, my brain cleared. I can't. even explain it. Um, brain fog was definitely starting to.

happen. I think it was the psoriatic. arthritis and I think it was the I think. it was post-COVID, you know, I think our. brains all got hit pretty hard by that. and I think it was chronic stress and I. think it was menopause and I was sort of. in this. I'm a high-functioning kind of boss babe. and I couldn't get my work done and my. team was going crazy cuz I couldn't. remember what I told them and you know, they're calling me and they're like, we. already did this, we already had this. conversation, what is wrong with you? So, I was like, damn it, this isn't. going to work for me. I can't be rolling. the way I'm rolling and trying to run. all my businesses and have brain fog.

like this. So, that was the first thing. I noticed was clarity of thought, brain. fog went away, anxiety immediately. dropped, which I didn't even realize I. had. It's just a calmness took over me, which was so amazing. And within. two weeks, my pain was down. significantly, significantly. And what I. noticed was everything was starting to. move and pop again. So, I was getting. mobility back. And by week two, I wanted. to move again. So, this version of me. that just wanted to like go do my. workout, go to my work and then lay down.

on my back, I wasn't that doing that anymore and I. immediately like signed back up for. Pilates and I found myself dancing and. hula hooping around the house again and. I found myself just being much more. active. And slowly but surely, the destruction sort of fell away cuz I. had been in a pretty destructive immune. process for a couple years there and it. just has it's taken me I think it's been. almost a year now. and it's just slowly but surely dropped. away. I also noticed a little bit of. weight loss, which I had gained some. weight over the past couple years. I.

think it was chronic stress was doing a. number on my metabolism. And you know, you hit that 50-year-old mark and things. get tough. So, I had some weight loss. fall away. I got right back down to my. fighting weight. I'm like literally the. size I was in 2019 going into all of. this. And so, I quickly started putting people. on it and very similar. responses. Um, all of them had a little bit of. fluff, but nobody was on it for weight. loss. Everyone had a little bit of. weight, fell right off, got back down to a good.

weight. My mom, I was particularly. concerned about cuz I didn't want her to. waste away again. I didn't want her. vomiting. I didn't want her having any. gastrointestinal symptoms. I wanted all. of those to resolve. It shifts your gut. microbiome to a more favorable. microbiome if you do it right. And so, and we have the data on that. So, I was. very slow and cautious with her. I don't. want her losing any muscle mass and. everybody just had these profound. impacts. My daughter's. skin cystic acne. I mean, a decade of severe cystic acne to the. point where she did not enjoy her. teenage years and she was suicidal from.

it. I mean, just hiding behind her hair. for for years. Her skin I remember seeing her after. three weeks on it and I was like, your. skin is porcelain, what happened? All of. her PCOS symptoms reversed. Um, my husband didn't want to drink. anymore. The guy is a known alcoholic. He was like, not interested in alcohol. His blood pressure regulated out. I. mean, just all of these little things. started happening and I started seeing. similar. effects in my patients. And then I. at the same time I was posting about it.

and talking about it on my podcast and. people were messaging me telling me. these profound stories. They were like, I went on it for weight loss or I went. on it for metabolic dysfunction or our 2. diabetes, but here's all the other. things that started happening. And then. people started telling me they were. getting pregnant on it. And you know, when they had been infertile and gone. through rounds of IVF that were not. working and just all of these amazing. stories. And so of course I keep I have. to research that and do more information. on that. And it's just been. I've just been unwinding. I I feel like.

I'm unwinding a story that isn't being. told. So, what is that story? To summarize, what is that story that's. not being told that you've come to. believe? These peptides are healing. They are. anti-inflammatory and they are. regenerative. And they have a profound. impact on our immune system in a. positive way. And they don't just cover up and mask. the insulin resistance and the metabolic. dysfunction that leads to type 2. diabetes. They actually heal it. How do you know that?

Well, interestingly, as this year has. gone on, more and more studies have come. out and we're starting to see it. So. many of the hypotheses I had about it. are starting to show themselves in good. clinical data, in good studies. And I've. seen it with my patients and I've seen. it with myself. So I am now able to go. off of it. At first I could only go off. of it for a short amount of time and my. psoriasis would come back. That was the. first symptoms. I would start getting. skin issues and I usually get it around. my scalp line.

Little itchies. That. would come back within 7 to 10 days. I. am now able to go a month without it and. absolutely no symptoms. And the second I. start to get brain fog or a little bit. of pain, I go back on. I cycle it like I would. any other hormone. I don't know if. you've had any guests on talking about. hormones, but they're done best when you. cycle them because receptors get. saturated. And when you saturate a. receptor with a hormone or after a while. the cell will stop listening. And so you don't want to just keep. flooding a cell or a body with a.

hormone. You want to take it away and. let those receptors pop back up. And so. I think done correctly and done in an. elegant way that's just reasonable, clinically reasonable, I think that we can actually start to. heal some of these chronic lifestyle. diseases that are so rampant. And it makes me wonder if we would need. less and less and less of the common. pharmaceuticals that are being handed. out like candy. The lifelong. pharmaceuticals. People go on statin. drugs or they go on blood pressure. medications and no one says boo. They're.

on it for life. Oh, here's your. metformin for your type 2 diabetes. You're on it for life. I think done correctly and also the. neuroregenerative process that these. induce in the brain. They actually. regenerate neurons. Neuroplasticity is this concept where. when the brain when you do something. enough, your brain will hardwire into. that. And so any habit, good or bad, that you consistently do or any thought. process you consistently have, if you're. chronically depressed or you're. chronically negative or you're you know,

I mean you know this. You're you you're. self-optimizing yourself all the time. and growing and trying to grow and be. better, you're plasticizing your brain. and hardwiring that circuitry. So it's. getting easier for you and you continue. to seek knowledge. These peptides offer people a window of. opportunity of not only giving them the. onus of control back cuz there are some. mechanisms in the brain and the. dopaminergic pathways that are giving. people the. they're back in the driver's seat. They're back in control of what they're. doing, but it's also inducing this. neuroplasticity. So if they are to.

implement really positive lifestyle. habits during the period of time that. they're on it, they. will hardwire that into their brain. So. it's like opening a window of. opportunity for somebody to completely. change their life. You mentioned some studies though that. have really supported your thesis that a. Zempic is more than just a weight loss. drug and that it has these other sort of. regenerative properties and these. healing properties. What are some of the. studies? You've got some something in. front of you there that you brought with. you. What are some of these studies that. highlight this in your view?

Well, so there's one study in particular. that I don't have the title of it. written down where they looked at all of. the data on all of the GLP-1 agonists. that are out there, the different. versions that I mentioned. And they went. back through all of the studies and they. looked at it system by system by system. And I gave your team a link to that. And. what they found is, I mean going from. tip to toe, neuroregeneration and. anti-inflammation in the brain. They showed. improvements in cardiovascular tissue. We just had a study come out at the end. of 2023 called the select trial. It was.

a big one. Yes, it was sponsored by Novo. Nordisk who's the manufacturer of. semaglutide of of I should say of a. Zempic. And so people say, oh, don't. believe those studies. It was a. well-done study. It looked at. individuals in their 40s who were. overweight but did not have type 2. diabetes and it showed a 20% reduction. in severe cardiovascular events. So. stroke and heart attack and. and others. And so then people argued. once that came out and said, oh, well, that poof, you know, Novo Nordisk did it.

and that would happen if people lost. weight anyway, right? You'd you'd have. improvements in cardiovascular disease. Well, they just looked at the data again. and realized that those benefits were. independent of weight loss. Whether. people lost weight or not, they still. had significant improvement in. cardiovascular outcomes, which there's. just nothing we don't have anything out. there that does that. I found data. showing regeneration of pancreatic. tissue, beta cells in type 1 diabetics. if given early enough. So if a person is. the.

type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune. condition where the pancreas becomes. destroyed by the immune system. It's. different than type 2. We don't have anything to help those. people. It used to be called juvenile. diabetes and then type 2 was adult. onset, but now kids, many many children. are dealing with type 2. So it's a big. mishmash, but they're very two different. processes. They shouldn't even have the. same name. Anyway, done early um. reversal of that pancreatic damage to. the point where people didn't need to go. on insulin and were able to have.

pancreatic healing. We don't have. anything that does that except stem. cells. They. at the end of 2023 they had to stop the. flow trial because this was a chronic. kidney disease trial. Um. They had to stop it because the control. group they needed to be able to. ethically give the control group the. substance because it was so effective. It was so effective at reversing chronic. kidney disease and kidney failure that. they needed to be able to offer it to. the control group ethically and not let. them continue on their journey of kidney.

damage. So we've got this mishmash of. studies and then they've done little. studies here and there looking at muscle. for instance. It's regenerative to. muscle. It's regenerative to bone. It's. regenerative to our joints. Some of this. is in mice, some of it's in humans. It's regenerative to the. testes and to sperm production and. motility. When you say regenerative to. say muscle, when people talk about a. Zempic, one of the big concerns is that. you lose a lot of muscle. Right.

It's not true. I mean, it is true. I. should let me let me Okay. Let me. rephrase that. Any. dietary intervention or bariatric. surgery that induces a severe caloric. restriction will lead to about 20 to 35%. muscle mass or I should say lean mass. loss. So this is a little bit of a. nuanced conversation. If you basically. put somebody into a self-starvation. mode, they will lose 20 to 35% of their. lean mass.

Lean mass is all the soft tissue in your. body. So that could be your tendons and. your ligaments and your brain and they. they clump it all into one and they're. looking at that and saying it's all. muscle. Muscle is a percentage of that. Muscle isn't all. of your lean mass, right? And so that. kind of makes the thing this the studies. look bad there, I think. The other thing. that they don't consider in that is. pathologic muscle due to metabolic. dysfunction will be. marbled with fat. What does that mean, sorry?

Well, it's like uh foie gras. When you. induce metabolic dysfunction in an. animal, which is what they do in. feedlots for cows often and they do it. to geese to get their liver fatty, you. will end up with this fatty infiltrate. in the muscle. So the muscle goes from. being this lovely striated linear. beautiful pattern to marbled with with. fat. Mhm. And that fatty infiltrate becomes very. pathologic to the muscle and it puts the. muscle itself into an insulin resistant. state. So once the marbling occurs in.

the muscle, it's sort of a chicken and. egg downhill situation for the muscle. And I do believe very strongly, and I've. been preaching this for decades, that. once that process starts, and it most. often starts in the thighs. You've. probably seen the pictures of the. cross-section of like this is an. 80-year-old triathlete and his muscle. looks really beautiful and linear. And then here's, you know, the average. 80-year-old and it's really marbled and. the bone loss is significant and the. fatty layer on the outside is thicker. But what's most important in that photo.

is the marbling of the muscle. We don't. want marbled muscle. That's the. beginning of the end. You also end up. with fatty liver and you end up with. fatty pancreas when you're in this. metabolic dysfunction state, this. downhill journey that culminates in type. 2 diabetes. And so one of the first things that. happens when metabolic health improves, whether this is through dietary. interventions, lifestyle, strength. training, you name it, is that fatty. infiltrate starts to dissolve. These GLP-1 agonists. induce that process of the fat.

dissolving. And so I think that's part. of the lean mass loss that they're. measuring. They're just measuring it as. lean mass loss, but we're also. decreasing muscle size. because we're having the fatty. infiltrate start to burn itself up. GLP-1s have also been shown to perfuse. the muscle with angiogenesis so we get a. vascular supply so that more amino acids. are available to the muscle. So when. they looked at aging muscle in a human. and they gave them GLP-1 agonists, their. muscle became healthier and less.

pathological because it started to. actually get better blood supply and be. infused with the amino acids they were. eating in the form of protein. So, it's. And then there's pathways that are. impacted as well that are inducing. muscle protein synthesis. So, GLP-1s. actually induce muscle protein. synthesis. They don't cause muscle. wasting. It's the caloric restriction. that's causing the wasting. And they're measuring it somewhat. aberrantly. Does that make sense? That's. That's the story I'm trying to weave. here. Yeah, so but how how do I how can.

I avoid the caloric restriction if I'm. taking the GLP-1 agonist like. semaglutide or Ozempic? You don't dose. it too high. So, you don't crush the. appetite. So, the whole goal is to keep. people at a dose where they still have. an appetite. You don't have to crush. their appetite with it. The way it's. being dosed traditionally is they're. ramping it up really fast and they're. just devastating people's appetite with. it. And so, people go from hungry and. starving to I don't want to eat anything. and so, they don't and then they often. will eat less healthy version I'm sorry, they'll eat less volume of a poor of a.

poor diet. So, they will continue to eat. junk food only less of it. They will. continue to eat the crappy foods they're. used to eating only less of it. And I've. heard Johann Hari on your show talk. about this and he beautiful book that he. wrote, his magic pill book. He talks. about that. He found himself about 5 or. 6 months in and he was still just eating. the same crap. He was just eating less. of it. And what needs to happen when. anybody's on this at any dose is they. need to be protecting their muscle with. all their might. They need to be. strength training and they need to be.

prioritizing their protein macros. Like. those are the two non-negotiables. I. don't think doctors are always talking. about that and I don't think patients. are compliant with that. If I start. microdosing there, what you know, won't. I see less of the reward? I see less of. the cost, but I won't I won't I not also. get less of the reward, the the positive. upsides that you've described? Not if. you're doing all the other lifestyle. things. So, like I said, it opens this. window of opportunity where people feel. much more in control because there's. impacts on the brain that allow people. to be much more in control of their. choices and of their thought processes. and of their even of their obsessions.

It's very interesting how it works. And. so, people are able to make better. choices and I think given. that window of opportunity and. introducing these lifestyle. interventions, they're going to be much. more open to it. So, we get them. exercising. We get them eating better. We get them doing all the things you. know, we get them optimizing their. sleep. We get them going on walks and. meditating and. mitigating their stress. All of those. things are going to improve their. metabolic health. So, it's a two-pronged. approach and we don't have to crank the. dose. We can do this slow and low and.

some people may need more and some. people may need less, but the point is. is the way it's being done traditionally. where it's like you get your scripts and. you walk out of your office and you. don't get any counseling, you don't get. any support. This is where people are. falling into, I believe, the terrible. pits of despair. So, this is where the. we're seeing the problems and it can be. done differently where we're doing a. holistic comprehensive approach with the. patient. I was reading a 2024 study by Lindsey. Wang that found diabetic patients taking. Ozempic with 50% less likely to develop. bowel cancer compared to those on.

insulin. What does this say and highlight about. Ozempic's role in staving off cancer? Well, that's an interesting study. because insulin is pro-grow. So, insulin is also a signaling peptide. hormone very much like GLP-1 and it is. pro-grow when you give it to someone. So, someone being on insulin, I believe, will inherently. potentially make them more vulnerable to. cancer. I don't want to say certainly. because I don't want to scare everybody.

because there's a lot of people out. there on insulin, but it is a pro-grow. hormone. Now, it's pro-grow in that we. get surges of it after we work out, which is awesome. We want that, right? We want that anabolic response, but in. your average person who's not working. out and who's not really using their. insulin the way they need to, they're. already swimming in it due to insulin. resistance and now they're taking. insulin cuz their pancreas is pooped. out. That's a mess. That's a soup of of. things we don't necessarily want. happening growing in the body. And so, that study looked at insulin versus. GLP-1s. It's not entirely fair cuz it's.

not a it's not a true control group, but. they there are other. data sets coming out that haven't been. published yet showing really good. really hopeful and positive impacts on. potentially reducing cancer risk. And. they're correlative, not causative, so. we can't put our finger on it and say. these these these reduce cancer, but. they looked at a you know, over a. million people that were type 2. diabetics that were on semaglutide and. they found a significant reduction in.

different types of cancer that are. obesity related in comparison to the. folks who were not taking GLP-1s. And. those were the. cancers you don't want, the ovarian, the. pancreatic, the colon, the types of. cancers that are you know, you don't. come back from readily. And so, that's very exciting. It's not getting a. lot of play and it's really really new. information, so I'm excited just to. watch it, but it makes sense to me. because these sit on your immune cells. as well. There's GLP-1 receptors. throughout our entire body. That's why.

we're getting the impacts throughout the. entire body and I think that the impact. that it's having on the. overall immunologic milieu of an. individual. is potentially very anti-cancer. I mean, that study that you cited there, I know nothing about um Ozempic and. GLP-1s really, but in my even in my sort. of, you know, chimp brain, I go, yeah, cuz if they. lose weight, they're less likely to get. cancer. Right. No, that's totally fair. and I think it's both because the way. that these are working mechanistically.

in the body and many of the studies that. I've looked at are showing results. independent of weight loss. Even if they. don't lose weight, then their cancer. risk reduces. Well, they're the healing. and regenerative and anti-inflammatory. impacts are there regardless of weight. loss or not. And then you add in weight. loss and you add in insulin sensitivity, you add in this this healing of the. metabolic dysfunction and you're going. to significantly reduce risk for. everything as well. I mean, that's a. really good point actually cuz. if has that has anyone done a study. where they give someone Ozempic and even.

if they don't lose weight, inflammation. goes down? Well, that's what the SELECT. study this trial showed. That that. cardiovascular trial I just shared with. you, they just re-looked at that. information and realized that even. independent of weight cuz that was the. big argument everyone had is, well, of. course the cardiovascular benefits will. stay or will improve because they're. losing weight, but they found that even. in those who didn't lose weight, they. still had really good cardiovascular. outcomes. So, yes, it that's what that's. what we're starting to see and so, I. think they need to start looking at.

these things more readily, but they. weren't, right? They were just looking. at like, here's morbidly obese people. and here's type 2 diabetics and we're. going to crank up the doses and we're. going to see what we see, but we're. starting to get longitudinal data now. So, that. cancer one for instance was looking at. patient records going way back. And so, they had over a million. you know, people in there that they're. Again, it's correlative, it's not. causative, but it's showing trends. It's. starting to show positive trends and so, I think that's what we have to look at. and we have to start to.

flesh that out. What about mental. health, things like depression? Um and sort of anxiety and these kinds. of things. You maybe have heard that these are. inducing suicidal ideation and people. are, you know, getting severely depressed on. them and the EU opened a whole. research into it and. people are very concerned about this and. yet we've got studies showing. really positive impacts on depression. and anxiety.

And the thing I will say about that is. I'm not saying that people on Ozempic. are not having suicidal ideation, but. that is a little more nuanced of a. conversation because. number one, when you lose a significant. amount of weight very quickly, all kinds of things can go wrong. You can end up with pancreatitis. You. can end up with gallstones. You can end. up with. severe depression. Your fat stores your. hormones. And so, you lose your hormones. very quickly. I've had patients who got. tummy tucks and came in a few months. later and were losing their minds cuz. they literally just had all of their.

hormonal depots sucked out of their. stomach. And so, there's concern there. that this rapid weight loss, which. again, I am not a fan of. I'm not a fan. of doing it that way, but if you drop. somebody's weight significantly, you may. end up with a very depressed mood state. We've also got a bit. further to go with that in that many. people are using food as their dopamine. source and as their crutch or as their. coping mechanism. And I'm not judging. I. just understand that to be true. You. know, we all have our vice and if you. take that away from someone because they.

suddenly don't want to eat. cuz we crushed their appetite with too. high a dose, then I think that we could. end up with a very depressed person in. front of us. However, done correctly and what I'm seeing. clinically is people are having really. profound benefits in their anxiety and. their depression and their moods and. their cognition. Um I'm seeing. neurodivergent folks taking it who are. becoming much more functional in the in. their everyday day-to-day. I'm seeing people who are. more of a hermit who don't want to go.

out in the world suddenly venturing out, being more social. So, there is an. impact on the brain and I think it's the. anti-inflammatory mechanism. I think. it's the dopaminergic system, the. dopamine pathways being impacted. And again, if we're not cranking the. dose up, I think that we can use these. effectively to bolster mood, to improve. cognition, to improve brain clarity and. all of that leads, you know, an inflamed. brain is a depressed brain. At the end. of the day, we have to get that point. really clear. Depression is a brain inflammation. issue.

You've mentioned sort of sexual health a. few times and fertility in passing. talking about Ozempic. Women's sexual health, male fertility, what is the the impact in your view of. an an Ozempic intervention on these. kinds of things? Well, the fertility conversation is. really daunting and it's kind of a long. one, but. we are looking we are a few generations. into a major fertility crisis.

And they say, what is it by 2100? 2100. By 2000 by 2100 97% of countries in the. world will not be reproducing at a rate. to repopulate themselves. We are looking. at a population crisis. By 20 by the. mid-2040s, they say sperm rates are. going to be at zero. And. again, that's multifactorial, but. my firm belief at the root of this is. metabolic dysfunction. I I I firmly. believe that metabolic dysfunction is. probably the biggest driver. If I could.

press a button and fix it, I would put. my finger on the metabolic dysfunction. button. And GLP-1s heal metabolic dysfunction. And so we're seeing reversal in PCOS, which is probably one of the number one. drivers of. infertility in young women, period, which is really at the end of the day. just metabolic dysfunction. It's just. presenting in women with high androgens. The The clinical picture PCOS isn't. doesn't always involve um cysts on the. ovaries. It's just this. I don't even know why it's called that.

anymore. It's a clinical picture where. they have metabolic dysfunction, they. have high testosterone, they have low. progesterone, their estrogen gets. converted readily into testosterone. They end up with hair growth, they end. up infertile. It's a disaster. Many, many young women. Many women in your age. cohort have this condition. Many women. in your Many couples in your age cohort. are not able to get pregnant without IVF. at this point. People are not getting. pregnant. I don't know How old are you? 31. Yes. People in their 30s are not.

getting pregnant. And when I ask my. friends in their 30s all over the world, I say, "What's Like how's How's the. pregnancy going with Like how how's it. going with your friends?" And they're. like, "Everybody's on IVF.". It's I don't know what you're hearing, but it like that's crazy to me that. 30-year-olds are having to do IVF. Healthy-looking. 30-year-olds are having to do IVF. So. we've got sperm issues and we've got egg. issues. It's both. It's not just the. female's fault, it's not just the male's. issue. Um we've got sperm health, we've. got sperm volume, we've got sperm.

motility issues, we've got metabolic. dysfunction in both groups. And what. happens when. we do have a successful pregnancy is. that that offspring is being. epigenetically flagged. if the mother is obese and dealing with. metabolic dysfunction, and even if the. father is, that fetus ends up bathed in insulin in. utero. And they come out epigenetically. marked for much more severe risk of. metabolic dysfunction and obesity in. their own lives.

And that cycle just goes into. perpetuity. That's where we're at. We're. several generations into this as a as a. species. And so I'm worried. Like I'm. legitimately I I joke that humans are. going extinct. It's not funny. And it I. think it's really happening and I I do. believe it will happen in the next few. generations if we don't right this ship. And at the root of it is this. overarching metabolic dysfunction. 2018. data. out of the US. that was published in 2021 showed that. only 6.8%.

of US adults are metabolically healthy. 6.8. That So that's. 93 94% of US adults are. cardiometabolically busted. That's And that was pre-lockdowns. Why? That's a great question. You know, you talked about PCOS and this. sort of infertility crisis, and then you. talked about it being about metabolic. dysfunction. Yeah. Where is the metabolic dysfunction. coming from? What is the thing furthest. upstream if we were to attack it at its.

source? Yeah. The food supply was significantly. adulterated in the past few generations. So it's starting with my parents, the. boomers. You know, they got their. convenient food. Their everything was. about convenience. That's when we got. you know, disposable diapers and. fancy microwaves and dishwashers and all. that jazz. Well, food became very. convenient as well. In the '90s, I. watched this happen in my lifetime. In. the '90s, the food supply was significantly. adulterated and terrifyingly so. And.

they found the bliss point, right? The. perfect emulsion of sugar, fat, and salt. to hit those. neurotransmitters in the brain to make. you want to come back for more. Toxicity is a huge issue. I believe. toxicity in general, not just. environmental toxicity, but it's the. chemicals in our food, um what we're. doing to ourselves. So many young women. today are bathing themselves in toxic. chemicals through their beauty habits. I. mean, the nails and the hair and the.

skin care and. it's it's really, really severe. So it's. this sort of multifactorial thing. Humans are actually eating the same. amount or less calories than they were. 30 years ago. It's not the caloric. intake. It's not that people are sloths. and they're lazy and they need to do. better. It's that we are swimming in a. toxic soup. We are eating a very. adulterated, mineral-deficient, protein-deficient, chemical shitstorm of a food supply. And. then you throw in the mass I mean, to be.

totally honest with you, the massive. uptick in vaccines in. infants when they come out, I mean, that's a whole different ballgame than. it was even when my daughter was an. infant. It's significantly different. than when I was an infant. So we've just We've got a lot of things. coming at these young people. And it. culminates, you know, and it adds up. And I think people don't realize we have. a toxic bucket. We all have an. individual toxic bucket. And that bucket. will become full for whatever reason. Maybe we've got mold exposure. Maybe. we've got too much stress. It's It's.

multifactorial, but that bucket will. fill up and overflow. And. metabolic dysfunction is a result of. that and also a driver of that. So it's it's very hard to put my finger. on why or the chicken and egg, what's. what's leading to what. I know that. there's things we can do that are. non-negotiable to help right the ship as. best we can that have nothing to do with. drugs and have nothing to do with. peptides. And I've been talking about. this for decades. We must be strength. training and optimizing our muscle.

We must be. walking every day like human beings do. Humans were made to walk and lift heavy. [ __ ] right? We are meant to be in. community. We're not meant to be. isolated. We're meant to be around. others. We are meant to share our. microbiomes. We are meant to have. healthy microbiomes, not these super. sterilized microbiomes. The abundance of. microbiome disruption from all the. antibiotics. I mean, that alone causes. lifelong issues for people. And so. it You stack all this up and people are.

sitting at home, they're alone. Loneliness is an epidemic. They're. eating food that comes from Uber Eats or. I don't know what you have here, but. they're ordering in. They're eating processed foods for most. meals. They're not getting out. Here in. London, I'm so happy everybody's. walking, but back in the US, everyone. just drives everywhere. Maybe in New. York they walk, but any anywhere else. you go, you know, it's like get up, go. from the bed to the couch to the car to. the desk back to the car to the couch to. the bed. People are not exercising, people are not paying attention to.

nutritionally dense food, they're not. getting sunlight, they're not in. community. I think COVID really. squelched community just in so many. different ways, you know, a lot of. churches are. sort of disbanding, communities are. disbanding, they shut the gyms down. So. there's just all of these factors that. culminate into a human being that isn't. a healthy human being. Just on that. point of PCOS, if I was a young woman, I. was 31 years old and I came to you. with PCOS, polycystic ovary syndrome,

and it was impacting my fertility, you. could see I had the uh you know, high. testosterone levels, I had slightly. hairier arms, I was maybe putting on. some weight. What would you aim at? What would you do? I would prioritize. protein, first of all. Yeah. I would go. for 30 g of protein three meals a day as. best that you can. I don't even care if. it's grass-fed fancy protein. I just. want them eating animal protein if they. will do it. I want them immediately. cutting out as many of the chemicals. that they're applying to their skin and. their bodies. So they're not getting.

their hair done, they're not shooting. the Botox, they're not putting the nails. on, they're not I mean, it's just a. chemical What's coming at young women is. crazy when it comes to their beauty. routines at this point. I would have. them walking three times a day for 10. minutes each. So three 10-minute walks. outside, preferably. Getting up and. seeing the sunlight. So we set the. circadian rhythm. So it's really. important that you get up and outside. first thing in the morning to get. natural sunlight in your eyes. And it's. really important that you see it in the. afternoon as the sun is waning. That. sort of. golden hour, you know, as the sun starts.

to wane in the sky and the sky gets. golden. Go outside then. That really. helps you with sleep. Sleep is critical. Cut the blue light. Put the you know, amber blue light blockers on at night. Stop staring at the phone and the TV. until 10:00 at night. Get that [ __ ] out. of there because that is jacking up. people's rhythm, which is jacking up. their fertility and their hormones. Um strength training is non-negotiable. We have to protect our muscle, we have. to build it. I'm a skinny girl and I. lift more than you would believe. And I.

don't look at I can't hold it. But I. try. So really optimizing muscle, that alone. would be a game-changer. Like if they. didn't even cut out I wouldn't even pull. foods away from them. I would just say. focus on eating getting the protein in. and the other foods will start to fall. away. And when you start to do all the. other things that are good for you, you. start to make better choices. When you. feel better, you do better. I have. reversed so much PCOS in women like. that. Next, I would add in some. progesterone, which is available over. the counter, but obviously do that under. the care of someone who knows what.

they're doing so you don't take too much. progesterone, but progesterone's a very. important player in there. It's actually. a neurohormone. It's It's very safe and. effective. And I would get them eating. as much of a whole food diet as I could. Could you Can you reverse PCOS? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there. So you know, genetics loads the gun and environment. pulls the trigger. So they came out with some bad. epigenetic flags, but that doesn't mean. that that's their fate. None of us It is. not my fate to die a miserable death.

from psoriatic arthritis. I will do. everything I can to make sure I keep. that at bay. And that's something that. medical doctors don't tell you. You go. in, they say, you have this. there's nothing we can do. And I'm like, could I take a multivitamin? Could my Is. changing my diet going to do anything? And back when I was growing up, there. was like, there's nothing you can do. Good luck. At least now doctors are. starting to get a little more savvy and. realizing it's more nuanced. And I'm I'm. starting to see the professions come. together more and realize like diet. actually matters. And I'm starting to.

see it in the headlines of the medical. journals like diet actually matters, lifestyle matters, light matters, you. know? But all of these things What what. I tell patients is. I'm not going to cure you. You are. genetically and epigenetically primed, but we're going to try to keep that as. quiet as possible. We're going to try to. keep you optimized so that this over. here doesn't rear its ugly head. But you. know, throw in a bad viral infection or. throw in a big stressor or throw in, you. know, something major like a birth, childbirth, and you might get off kilter.

again. But that doesn't mean you don't. have all the control in the world to. help mitigate that. I have to say, you know, as someone that. comes from I'm going to try and. pronounce it again, naturopathic. medicine, it is quite surprising to hear you talk. about microdosing on Ozempic. I know. Because, you know, I think naturopathic. medicine, you'd imagine they were very. much against microdosing or dosing any. sort of chemical pharmaceutical. Right. So, how do you square the circle. there? Because it's a peptide and it's been.

appropriated by the pharmaceutical. industry because of its delivery system. But there's many other peptides that are. available over the counter for instance. in supplement form like BPC-157, which. is a regenerative peptide. It's also. anti-inflammatory. All of these peptides. generally are regenerative, anti-inflammatory, and healing. They all. just kind of have their special skill. set. So, we've got a variety of. different peptides that were pulled by. the FDA because they work, is my. opinion. But we also have ones that are. available over the counter that are in.

sprays, that are in pills. If you go get. hurt, you can order them online. It's. legal. I'm not talking any black market. This These are reputable companies in a. supplement form and you can induce. phenomenal healing in your body. These. are available. People just don't know. about them and they don't know how to. use them. And they are a bit expensive. This is just another peptide. It just. happens to be held over here and it's. being used in a way by brand name. pharmaceutical big pharma companies in a. way that I just don't think is. appropriate for peptide use. You've used that phrase "done correctly".

a few times when you're talking about. the microdosing of Ozempic. And you've. also highlighted there, but also. previously in this conversation, that. people are. using it wrong. So, I or using it in too high of a dose. So, I am I brought with me today some. little science lab which I've got over. there in the corner cuz I would like you. to show me when we talk about. microdosing A, what microdosing is as a. term. What does that mean? But also, could you show me the comparative. difference in how you would and you are.

giving your patients Ozempic, what dose. you're giving them at comparatively to. how it's typically being administered in. what dosage. for the sort of weight loss effects that. we've talked about and that most people. know it for? Sure. Yeah, absolutely. So, let me bring over the Ozempic. Okay. So, this is what they start people on. And then every month, every 4 weeks in. the traditional model. with the brand names like Ozempic and. Wegovy and Mounjaro, they double This is.

This would be specifically for. semaglutide. Okay. So, let me back up here just so. I've got my um science with me. So, typically when they administer Ozempic. and semaglutide, semaglutide, they do it. in a. pen which you kind of self-inject, which. is at a controlled dose. Yes. So, you can't give yourself whatever. quantity you like. It's kind of like a. set dose. You go and it injects into. you. Yep. Okay. Okay. So, they start. them here. With with that much in it. So, for people that are can't see cuz.

they're listening on audio, it's 0.25. mg. Okay. And then every month they double. the dose about. Over 16 weeks, they. double the dose until they get folks. generally. Now, smart docs will stop people where. they need to stop, but the standard is. to get them up to about. here. per week. per month. Oh, I'm sorry, per. week. Yes, per week. They do this per. week. They get them up to here. This is. what the studies have been done on and.

so this is how it's traditionally dosed. And if you're severely diabetic or. obese, I could see the rationale. I'm. arguing I still don't think that's. necessary when you have the appropriate. lifestyle interventions. Okay. If you're. treating someone comprehensively using. other peptides, using hormones, getting. people to do the healthy lifestyle. changes, I don't think this is necessary. and I think this leads to a very high. risk for side effects. So, we went from. What was it? 0.25 to 2.5 basically.

times more. Yeah. Over the space of X amount of weeks. 16 weeks. 16 weeks. Okay. So, they 10x the dosage. over 16 weeks. Yep. Um which looks like which is a lot. So, you're taking that much injected. into you, self-injected every. every week. Okay. And you do that you're. theoretically supposed to be on that. dosage forever. Yes. And they don't ever. stop. They don't take breaks. They're. not concerned about receptor. sensitivity. It's just. they just go. It's just you're on this. and you're on it for life. Now, some.

there are really good weight loss docs. out there and they are helping their. patients get off of them. And actually. the more recent data is showing that. when folks are exercising, just it. doesn't even matter what kind of. exercise. When folks are exercising in. addition to, they can come off more. successfully and maintain the weight. loss. So, that's promising. However, my. argument is in somebody who's. metabolically optimized. Now, this isn't. everyone. This isn't your severely obese. patient. But in somebody who's. metabolically optimized, I give them a fraction of this. And that.

differs by person, but I actually have. to use an insulin syringe so that I can. do a fraction of the starting dose. And I may never elevate it. I may never. ramp it up. So, compared to the 2.5. mg in there, you're giving out how much? I'm giving a. fraction of 0.25. I'm giving a fraction. of this. So, you might be giving 0.0. It depends. It depends on the patient. And without getting into detail because. whenever I do, people start playing with. their dosage themselves. And I've heard.

seen crazy things in the comment section. of my posts on Instagram. So, I don't. want to tell people exactly how to dose. Um but it depends. It depends on what. they're going. And this is a bigger. conversation because I don't ever do. semaglutide as a monotherapy. I never do. it by itself. I never just crank people. on semaglutide and hope for the best. If. that is the only geo If the I'm sorry, if that's the only peptide they're. using, they likely will have to keep. going up. And so, I have one patient who. is obese. and has some weight to lose and I have.

taken. 9 months to get him to here. Which is. roughly. one. 1 mg? That's 1 mg. So, he's on 1 mg. and I really don't want to raise it. I really want him doing more of the. lifestyle interventions to start to heal. the metabolism as well. So, I It's a. multi-pronged approach. I'm trying to. heal the metabolism at the end of the. day. This is one tool, but there are. other tools. But this is a pretty potent. tool. So, in the case of someone. that is microdosing, how frequently are. they taking that small dose in the small.

sort of petri dish in front of you? It. depends. So, give me give me a case. study of the typical person. Well, it depends on what I'm going for, what my short-term goals are, what my. long-term goals are. So, for myself, I. was having to do a fraction of this. droplet here, not this, this, once a week. As people heal and improve, they're able to space that out. Some. people can space it out 2 weeks. So, some people are dosing every 2 weeks. Some people are dosing once a month. It.

really depends. Some people are There's. a lot of folks thinking they're. microdosing, but they're actually just. barely going below that 0.25. They're. still almost right at it. So, they're. still doing a large percentage of this. And that's not really microdosing, but they're getting results. And so, my. goal is always just to dose people just. below symptoms. I never want them. symptomatic. I never want them saying. I'm nauseous or I'm throwing up or. having any of that. There's no need for. any of that. I want them just below. symptoms and I want them continually. improving and getting the results I'm. looking for. That might be lowering of.

blood pressure. It might be, you know, continuing clearing of their skin. lesions. It depends on what we're going. for. And then my goal is to cycle this. So, I. will try to get them off for as long as. I can and I will try to try to take. breaks for as long as I can because I. want the cells to resensitize. So, that. might be, like I said, 2 weeks. It might. be a month. Some folks might just do. this a couple times a year. They may not. be on it continuously. They might just. do what we call a cycle. This is You. might be familiar with this if you've.

interviewed anyone on testosterone. therapy. Often it's a cycle. And so, they'll do a few months, maybe 90 days. on, and then they'll take some time off. It totally depends on the patient and. what I'm going for though. And it. depends on again, what am I trying to. accomplish short-term and what am I. trying to accomplish long-term and how. compliant are they being with the rest. of the treatment plan? So, give me a. case study then of someone who has. microdosed with you successfully and. they've gone from ill health in some. form to healthy. So, my mom is a great. example. She started on a tiny little.

bit cuz I said she's older and she's a. bit frail and she was going into it with. gut issues already. So, a very tiny. little bit. She actually ramped herself. up. I'm not sure why. She ramped herself. up a bit. She got a bit symptomatic. So, she was still at well below this. droplet amount. And I've recently It's. been maybe 9 months. I've recently. brought her back down to a droplet and. I'm trying to keep her there and she's. still doing it once a week and we're. starting to play with how long can she. go off of it before we start to see.

symptoms. I don't want the symptoms to. come back full bore because then we know. tissue destruction's happening. I'm. trying to heal people in the process of. treating people if that makes sense. I. want both to happen but she also needs. to be compliant with all the things and. so something I'm hearing about a lot. which is a great case example is many of. my colleagues who I have a program where. I teach people how to do this and many. of my colleagues. are thinking they're microdosing and. they're not and then they start calling. me and they're like they're either. running into symptoms or they're hitting. a wall and their patients are.

plateauing. They say it's not working. anymore. I'm like, well, what are you. going for? If they're going for weight loss, they. are going to plateau if they're not cuz. they haven't implemented the strength. training yet or they haven't implemented. maybe some of the other bioidentical. hormone replacement or whatever it may. be, you know, they're not doing the. they're not taking care of all of it. holistically and so they're running into. some barriers. What is what is the role. it's playing if if you're doing it at. such low doses, what is the role that it. would play for someone with for example. chronic pain or some form of.

inflammation in their body? Well, why is. such a small dose im- important in the. bigger picture you described there of. getting their health back in shape? Is. it because of you said earlier about the. brain fog and getting them to a state. where they can make better decisions or. I think it's actually also in the brain. So, GLP-1 is secreted in the brain. Something that most people think is that. it's secreted in the gut and then it. makes its way to the brain. There's. actually different regions of the brain. where GLP-1 is produced and there's. receptors all over the brain to receive. the GLP-1. So, I think something very.

important is happening in the brain that. we really are only just starting to. understand and. I believe that the downstream impact of. that of healing that, like I said at the. beginning, if we heal the brain, we heal. the immune system, we heal everything. downstream. And so, I'm really trying to. have a cognitive impact and so that's. it becomes more critical then to do all. the lifestyle interventions that reduce. neuroinflammation. We want to make sure. they're taking supplements that are. supportive for brain health. We want to.

make sure that their lifestyle habits. are supportive to brain health. They're. not continuing to drink a bunch of. alcohol although this makes most people. not want to drink even at tiny doses. Most people just want to stop drinking. It's really phenomenal. They want to kind of stop doing all. their bad habits. They want to stop. chronically shopping. They want to stop. all the dopamine chasing habits that. they have which is is Now, if you go too. high though, you start to impact reward. systems and I can see where they start. to get depressed. So, I'm trying to have. a positive. healing regenerative impact on the brain.

and the immune system to ultimately heal. them up and hopefully I can take them. off of them or maybe they might have to. revisit it if there's a flare. If. something comes up in their life that. sort of set like I said, you kind of get. set back over the edge, we might have to. bring it on board for a minute but I'm. ultimately doing an initial healing. phase and then I'm doing a maintenance. phase. You mentioned alcoholism. and you mentioned your husband earlier. as well. Oh, how what. is there research to show the impact. that it has on addictions? They're.

studying it but people want to stop. smoking. People want to stop doing. cocaine. People want to stop doing all. kinds of things and. it's very interesting and they. Johann actually talks about this in his. book and he he does a nice job of. breaking down the science there on it. They looked at rats and. they thought, okay, well, if this is. just crushing the reward system, then it. would crush all the reward systems but. it's not crushing libido for people and. it's not crushing some of the other. reward seeking behaviors. It just seems.

to be crushing many of the ones that are. pathologic or not so great for our. health in long run and he actually talks. about a study that I've read as well. where they took rats and they gave them. sort of that like yummy emulsion of that. sweet sugar salty deliciousness and then. they gave them rat chow and when they. put them on semaglutide, they stopped. seeking out the yummy devas- I mean, that's the that emulsion is what makes. you become very metabolically you know, compromised. And they still ate the rat chow. They.

still went for they went for the healthy. food. Well, I don't know how healthy rat. chow is. That's debatable but they went. for the more nutritionally dense food. and they actually stopped seeking out. the pleasure food. And I I'm seeing that. across the board with all kinds of. behaviors. I got a message from a lady. She said, I had no idea I had such a. severe online shopping habit. Like I. would just fill the cart up and purchase. and then she started filling the cart up. and not purchasing and now she's not. even online shopping. She's not even. like going in to make the to have the. experience. It's really interesting.

What's going on in the brain there in. your opinion? It plays on the hypothalamic pituitary. axis to some degree and it is impacting. dopaminergic pathways and at the end of. the day, the dopaminergic pathways are. dopamine seeking system is. in a simplistic way to describe it is. our addiction system. So, we chase that. dopamine dragon. That dopamine dragon. might be. sex. It might be gambling. It might be. cigarettes. It might be whatever it is. Whatever that thing is that gives us. that hit. And interestingly about.

dopamine. and why it becomes such a process, I. mean, I think a lot of it is the cell. phones. It's this quick we've got a very. quick reward system society. You know, back when I was a kid, we had to like. wait outside in the freezing cold all. night to buy concert tickets and now you. guys are like, well, I'm just going to. buy whatever I can afford to get the. best seat. It's a very different world, you know? And everything's right at our fingertips. and it's very it's very quick response. and so our dopamine circuitry is really. screwed up. Dopamine. is healthiest in signaling best when. we're seeking out the challenge. It's.

not when we get to the it's not when we. win. Have you ever wanted something really. badly and then you succeeded and you got. there and you were like, I'm just not feel it just wasn't what I. It's because it was the journey there. It was the conquest of getting the thing. of achieving the goal. That's what gave. you the dopamine. It's not as much. getting the thing at the end of the day. and this is playing somewhere in that. system and people are just not having. the reward seeking behaviors they were. I have had so many people reach out to.

me and say, when it came to food in particular, this. must be what normal people's brains feel. like. I don't wake up obsessed thinking. about food. I don't go throughout my day. obsessed thinking about food. I can. actually think about other things. So, really what we're saying here then is. that. hunger is much more than. a desire for food. Hunger is a much. broader sort of psychological phenomenon. that's about dopamine and reward and all. these things. So, when we attack. so, GLP-1's role isn't just in hunger,

it's in this bigger psychological sort. of incentive structure. I it was weird cuz I was as you're. saying that this morning I didn't eat, right? Because I didn't have breakfast. and I didn't have lunch cuz I was doing. my annual health check. So, they say you. got to fast beforehand. So, I didn't have anything and my first. meal per se was about 2:00 p.m. You can. see my little jab in my arm if you want. They got you. The little cannula thing. that they put in my arm. Um and I got to. about 3:00 p.m. and I hadn't eaten. And I have this drawer in my car that. you car we typically pick up guests in.

and it's got some like less healthy. snacks in. I try to stay out of it. But. because I hadn't eaten for some reason, I was like, I need to go in the drawer. and eat food. I need to go and eat the. sugary stuff. So, as you were talking, I. was thinking, is the administration of. GLP-1 and Ozempic just bringing down. that noise a little bit to the point. that I no longer want the sugary snack. drawer? Because I was thinking to myself this. morning, if I. if that was the start of the day when I. was less hungry, I wouldn't have been thinking about that. snack drawer.

But because the day went on and I became. more hungrier, I had a greater pull on. dopamine. So, there's people living tip-. you know, their everyday lives with this. kind of greater demand for dopamine for. whatever reason and it's coming from. gambling or porn addiction or what or. shopping addiction and what GLP-1 is. doing is it's just bringing not just the. the I need food that that that the. hunger down, it's bringing the sort of. dopamine pathway down in terms of. volume. It's quieting the noise. That's a really. good way to put it and that's how people. describe it as they call it the you.

know, the the the food noise or the. hedonic urges. It it quiets the noise. down and that's why I was saying earlier. that it gives people this wonderful. window of opportunity to be back in the. driver's seat. They sometimes for the. first time in their life have full. control over what they're choosing to. eat, when they're choosing to eat, what. they're putting in their mouth and some. people didn't have that control before. and it's not just dopamine. We've got. leptin. We've got ghrelin. We've got. these different appetite they're also. peptide signaling hormones. and they all play together and they.

don't play well if GLP-1's not in there. So, if leptin is happening and ghrelin. is happening and we can go into the. details of that if you want. If GLP-1's. not there, the orchestra doesn't work. and there's a lot of folks sitting. around with leptin resistance, insulin. resistance. They're not responding to. ghrelin. This even the cell receptors. getting to the edge of the membrane is. sometimes GLP-1. contingent and so, my argument is that. sometimes the tiniest little amount.

might be what that person needs to kind. of harmonize the orchestra. Maybe, you know, we can't have and this. is the other reason I don't love it in. monotherapy. Imagine a jazz band and you. just had one big bass drum. That would. be ridiculous. It would sound terrible, right? Like the nuance in the jazz. drummer is what makes jazz so cool. A lot of folks are using this at this. dose, right? This huge dose. and that's the big old bass drum and. they're just crushing the whole brain. circuitry to suppress hunger period and.

they're ending up with all these. downstream side effects which are not. fun. My argument is if we just harmonize the. orchestra. But sometimes we need a. little estrogen or a little progesterone. or we need a little bit of this or that. We need to do some lifestyle things to. get the leptin resistance to reset and. the insulin resistance to reset but we. might need a little bit of GLP-1 on. board. Every single time you eat, you have an. opportunity to improve your health. And. that's why I love Zoe, because Zoe helps. me to make the smartest food choices for.

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of people really using them en masse. Well, I think we would. be far more concerned with high doses. and that's what most people are on or on. high doses and we're really not seeing. the safety signal blowing off the way. that people are concerned about. In. fact, we're seeing the opposite of that. Some really good data's come out. refuting many of the studies that were. so concerning in the past few months. even and some of it's just being. presented at different conferences, so. it's not being published yet, but I keep.

up with all of it and it's very. exciting. We're not seeing a signal on. pancreatitis. We're not seeing bowel. obstruction. Um gastroparesis, I think. it's fair to say that the highest risk. group for gastroparesis is type 2. diabetics. It's because they are. sugaring up their vagus nerve. The high. blood sugar is actually destroying the. vagus nerve, which is causing low-grade. gastroparesis. So, they're already. sitting on the edge of it in many cases. and then they're being franked into. these crazy high doses and getting. thrown over the edge. A real concern is.

biliary disease, so gallstones. When you go on a very severely. calorically restricted diet, your bile. sludges up in your gallbladder. So, a. gallbladder is already very often. compromised in an obese individual and. it's already sludgy and it maybe already. has some stones forming and then they go. on a caloric restriction, that lack of. food going through the digestive tract. will cause the. bile to sludge up. They'll throw a stone. into the pancreas. The number one cause. of pancreatitis is fatty pancreas, which.

people with metabolic dysfunction. already have. The num- the second cause. is a gallstone and the third cause. really is. excessive severe weight loss done too. quickly. So, we're taking people and. thrusting them up on these high doses. They're often already sitting on the. edge of many of these conditions and. then they're getting thrown over the. edge. It's like, well yeah, no wonder. When I started looking at the terrible. side effects, I was like, well of. course. I mean, anybody who is severely. diabetic or severely obese is already.

sitting on the edge of that and so. my argument is why are we throwing. people on these high doses and sending. them over the edge? I don't think taking. a tiny amount of something is nearly as. concerning as the high doses, but the. rates that you're hearing in the media. are not the rates that are showing up in. the studies, even of these terrible side. effects I just mentioned. I have always. believed that there's no such thing as a. free lunch. That's fair. In life and you. know, whenever someone tells me that. something is. good for me,

um. it always comes with a cost. You know, like it that just seems to be. the way that life works. And I like that. life has that balance to it where there. is no you know, anything that's. worthwhile, whether it's starting a. business, having a great marriage or. relationship, raising kids. Right. There's so much of an upside and there's. so much of a cost, you know? And so, as. it relates to microdosing as Empatic, my. brain is going. there's got to be a cost. If there is. any reward, there is got to be a cost. That's fair. We have to think about the risk-reward.

ratio. And that's something that we don't talk. about in medicine. I think COVID really. showed that. You know, you have the. risk of COVID, the real risk of COVID, whatever that. looked like depending on the scale of. susceptibility you had for poor. outcomes. So, if you were 65 or older, you were in poor health, there was a. real risk. And then you have the reward. Uh we have. to look at what lockdowns did. We have. to I mean, 146%. increased risk of suicidal ideation.

All kinds of I mean, I get the stats on. that. I don't even want that like makes. me sick when I start thinking about what. happened. Um I was just driving over. here and the Uber driver was telling me. how nobody goes to church anymore and. all the bars are the pubs are closing. cuz the culture the pub culture is going. away, not because of drinking, but. because of just people join- like. gathering in community, you know, like. he said it was COVID was the end of so. much of London. that he saw and he's been driving for. uh in some form or another for 15 years. through London. And so, we have to look. at risk-reward ratio and the risk of.

walking around in a chronically inflamed. state for somebody who say has psoriatic. arthritis. I have thought about about. this and I'm like, you know what? The risk that I'm seeing in the data. from high doses of this. is probably not nearly the risk of a. tiny dose of it and it certainly is. better than the clinical outcomes of. walking around with raging psoriatic. arthritis for the next 30, 40 years, which is. dementia, my spine fusing, lack of. movement, muscle wasting, chronic pain,

uh so on and so forth. The real risk of. obesity. is tremendous. and something that a lot of people don't. appreciate is when we start to gain. weight in middle age, that's a low-grade. insulin resistance happening. And so, a. woman will gain, you know, somewhere. between 45 and 50, she might gain 10 lb. Okay, we get a little thicker as we get. a little older. Okay. Maybe the next 5 years she gains another. 10 lb. And we just sort of accept it as a. society. Like all our moms kind of get. bigger, right? All moms just get bigger.

and they all end up looking like they. you know, the whole the moms, the. grandmas, everyone ends up in my family. round by the end of it. Well, now my. family's starting to drop dead of heart. attacks. They're all on lifestyle. medications. They're on statins and. blood pressure medications and all of. these things and my thinking is what if. that process never even started? What if. I was able to intervene with not just. GLP-1s, but all the other tools I had. available to me that I didn't have when. they started. I wasn't out of school. yet. I didn't know what I know now. What.

if I was able to intervene and give them. decades more of a high-quality life? And. that's what longevity medicine is. That's what hormones are. That's what. bioidentical hormone replacement is and. what these other peptides are that we've. been using for a long time in clinical. decades in clinical practice and. I don't know if you you probably don't, but the Women's Health Initiative 20. plus years ago came out with data. showing. estrogen and progesterone replacement. therapy is dangerous and all women were.

immediately ceased. Doctors got scared. Everybody got taken off their hormones. We just destroyed an entire generation. of women over the past 20 years. Doctors. that were smart, like myself and my. colleagues, we read the data and we. realized that they were giving them. progestin and not progesterone and there. was nothing unsafe about what they were. getting and so we kept everybody on. their hormones. And I'm like, well, here's informed consent. I would tell. the patients, this is the data, this is. what we're going to do. They agreed or. didn't agree. That's called informed. consent. Here's your risk-reward ratio.

and they've just reanalyzed the data in. the past few months and decided that. they were wrong. It was bad data. They. shouldn't have taken all these women off. of hormones. The amount of dementia and. cardiac disease and bone fractures and. on and on and on that happened because. those women were starved of hormones is. devastating to me. So, it comes down to. understanding the mechanism of action of. how these things work, sharing that as best as you can with. your patients and then having a.

conversation and letting the patient. decide. So, but in the case of the. microdosing, you're going to tell me the. upsides in that informed consent. scenario. What would you tell me the. downsides might be? I would tell you the. downsides that we see in the data with. the high doses. Okay, but you would. extrapolate from there that you would. have those downsides men- but in smaller. frequency. Much, much smaller potential. But also, you keep a sharp eye on your patient. You don't just. send somebody out with a prescription. and say, "See you. Good luck." You know,

it's close monitoring. You're making. sure to keep track of things. We're. running labs. We're checking in. We're. making sure symptom pictures aren't. showing up and it's upside versus. downside. People are going to listen to this and. they're going to think, "Okay, so I. should be microdosing as Empatic.". And what might happen is people will go. online and they'll try and buy Empatic. and then they'll at home start I don't. know, putting it in their tea or. whatever. Oh, no. That's not a good idea. I would. I don't know what the situation is in.

the UK, but I know in the United States. we have longevity doctors. We have smart. functional medicine doctors. We have. doctors that have access to compounding. pharmacies. And I'm hearing at least in. certain parts of Canada, there are. compounding pharmacies. I don't know. what the situation is in the UK. I. believe there are. Compounding pharmacies are being driven. out by big pharma because they're pretty. punk rock. They're doing individualized. medicine for patients. They create. medications for a patient at the dose. that's tolerable for the patient. And I. highly encourage folks to do their.

research and find a doctor who's willing. to work with them and at the very least. consider the starting dose that is in. the pre-filled pens and talk to your. doctor about not escalating so quickly. and. making sure that you implement the other. lifestyle factors. aggressively so that you don't have to. increase the dosage. And I'm hearing. from people in my program that are doing. quite well that way. They don't have. access to compounding pharmacist. They. don't even have access to like a. longevity doctor. I understand that's. not available for everyone. And there's.

there's economic issues. I get all that. So they're finding great success in that. 0.25 mg and they're being really. diligent about all the other lifestyle. interventions and they're doing awesome. And so I don't know any doctor that. would want to crank up a dose of any. medication. If a patient came to me and. said, "Doc, I want to start on this you. know, the standard is this dose. I want. to start on this dose and I don't want. to go up." I'd be like, "Hallelujah.". Cuz anytime you increase the dose of. anything you're going to get side. effects. Are you seeing the weight loss. benefits in people that are microdosing?

If they're metabolically optimized and. or they really start working on it. So if somebody walks in and they've got. 30 40 lb to lose, I have seen them. successfully microdosing so long as they. take that opportunity to do all the. things. They cannot sit on their ass and. eat junk food. All the things. What are. all the things? So strength training. couple times a week lifting something. heavy. That might just mean filling up. water jugs and picking them up and. walking across your room. It might mean. picking up your cat and doing some. squats every night. Just starting to use.

the muscle and Why strength training? Because muscle is the currency of. metabolic health. Like we need muscle. mass in order for our cells to be. optimally insulin sensitive. It's just. how it works. We gobble up our blood. sugar and we regenerate our mitochondria. predominantly in the muscle. So we need. muscle. It's a very important organ. system. It's not just a mover. You know, we don't just move our. our bones around with it. You've got to. have got Dr. Gabrielle Lyon on and. she'll give you the whole muscle.

the conversation. But muscle is. absolutely non-negotiable. And so. strength training man, woman, I don't. care what age they are. It's something. we have to focus on. It might be. push-ups. It might be I saw some cool. stuff around the parks around here. You. guys have you it's way better here than. it in the US it's like not even. emphasized. So my husband's like that's. like a. sit-up thing and that you know, it was. like some blocks of wood with some metal. on it. But it was set up as a little. exercise area in one of the parks. So. making sure that's dialed in,

prioritizing protein. Making sure the food you choose to put. in your mouth is nutritionally dense. What's the bang for your buck? Is it. brightly colored? Is it. coming from a lab or coming from a. factory in a package with a hundred. ingredients in it or is it a whole food, right? Is it is it food that came off. the farm? Is it food that looks like how. God made it? However you want to think. of it. Simplistic. So I'm going to start. lifting weights. I'm going to um.

Yeah, I'm going to start lifting weights. and then I'm going to start eating lots. of protein. Yes. And what else we need. to do? Make sure that you eat a variety of. colorful foods, right? So just just. focus there. I hate taking foods away. from people. Start there. You'll fill. up. And then you don't need the rest, right? You're going to get up and go for. three walks a day like I mentioned. Three 10-minute walks. And I think. ideally morning cuz you're getting your. morning sunlight. Go out at noon so. you're high noon light. You're going to. do wonderful things for your leptin and. for your circadian rhythm if you hit the. light at three times a day. And then. you're going to go for that late. afternoon walk. So that might just be.

going out with your dog. It might be. going out with a friend. Whatever. Might. be going out at lunch break. Whatever. Just. go around the block. These are are these. these sound very similar to your six. pillars for a pain-free life which you. write about in your book Pain Free and. Strong. Yeah. So we covered a few of them here. We've. covered the strength training one. And I. had some really awesome stats that I. found um in one study 186 people with. type two diabetes were split into three. training programs. One was one group was. strength training. The next was moderate. cardio training. And the third is a.

combination of both. And the strength. training only group lost the most fat, gained the most strength and lean body. mass and had the biggest decrease in is. insulin resistance. And that was in. Women's Health. And you know, I think. one of the things that I we've always. assumed and I've certainly assumed it is. that as I get older I'm just going to. lose muscle and that's just what it is. Yeah, it's not true. No, it's we even have studies showing. that folks in their 70s can maintain and. build muscle. Even if we maintain it, right? Even if we can just maintain it. So. it's critical. This is non-negotiable. I.

have a 24-year-old daughter who is. starting to understand this. So she's. starting to get it, right? And. she's like, "Okay, Mom, what do I do?". And I'm like, "Just pick up your dog.". She's got two different dogs that are. two different sizes. I'm like, "Just do. squats with your dogs. Start doing. push-ups off the side of your couch. You. can do this at home, right? There's so. many opportunities online now. Everything's out there and it's free. You just have to actually put in the. time. We've covered movement there. We've covered strength. We've covered. the the the food and gut. The four. others you've got in this pillar. One of. them is um sleep. Sleep. So sleep can be elusive for folks.

especially if they've got hormonal. issues and or they've got insulin. resistance and metabolic dysfunction. which drives the hormonal issues. So. it's really important that you. you have to prioritize your sleep but. you have to protect your sleep. And when. I say protect it, I mean are you. sleeping with a husband who's snoring. all night long? Are you in a really. noisy environment? Do you have to add. earplugs in? Is it too bright in your. room? Do you have to put eye mask on? Like what's basic sleep hygiene? Get the. TV out of the room. The TV is not.

helping you. The bedroom is for sex and. sleep. It is Get the husband out of the. room? Maybe. Well, you know what? People snore when. they're metabolically unsound and. they're overweight, too. So if we can. get the husband involved in the. activities then hopefully everybody gets. better and the snoring goes down. So. yes. You'll get a new husband, I guess. Well, yeah. When I was dating it was a. big deal actually. I was like how I. would ask them on the first date, "How's. your sleep?" And if they said it was not. good, I'm like that's not agreeable to. me. I'm not messing with this. So just. really often going to bed at the same.

like be an adult. Be a grown-up. We put. our kids to bed at a normal time every. day. We have a rhythm with them, right? They go to bed. They get up the same. time every day. We have to do that with. adults. Stop sleeping with your phone by. your head. Stop sleeping with it in the. room. I really don't What about sleeping. pills? I don't love sleeping pills. I have used them clinically. I don't. love Ambien or any of those types of. drugs. But there are other options to. help people get to sleep. We can use. herbs I think pretty well, too. But we. have got to. we've got to do what we've got to do to. reset the sleep. But I'll tell you. number one, if your sleep is off and. you're not exercising every day,

I don't even want to hear about it. because if you're not exhausting your. energy like you would your puppy or your. child, of course you're not going to be able to. sleep. And number two, if your circadian. rhythm is screwed up. If you're not. getting out that morning sunlight is so. huge. If you're not getting out in the. daylight, I know when it's gray in. Oregon sometimes. It's gray all day long. and I can't even tell what time of day. it is. And I will still go out there in. a raincoat and make sure I'm out in the. daylight even though it's gray as heck. So that is absolutely critical. Both of. those things will help improve your. sleep. Why did you include mindset as.

one of your six? Because you have to. believe that you're going to accomplish. this. That goes into the dopamine. pathway. It's a challenge, right? This. is my challenge. This is and and I mean. challenge in a good way. I think of it. as a quest not as a negative challenge, right? I don't want people to ever feel. like they're up against. an insurmountable wall. I I heard that a. lot with COVID when I was talking about. weight loss and metabolic optimization. People would say, "I have too much. weight to lose. There's no point.". There's always a point. We can always. start to decrease inflammation and.

improve metabolic health even if the. scale isn't shifting. It doesn't matter. So we really have to go into this with a. winner's mindset. We have to be goal-oriented. I'm sure. you could actually chime in on that, too. Like what are the things that you. do that drive you to get up and go do. the things that you do that might be. hard or challenging but you know they. are what you need to do to move the. needle. And that's mindset. It has to. start there. If it doesn't start there, if you don't make a decision, a. concerted decision to execute, you're. never going to get there. That's super difficult, isn't it? It is.

Cuz people are so riddled with their own. traumas and their own complex. psychological state that getting them to. shift that perspective on the world is. is like trying to convert a religious. person to another faith. It is. But I. think people are outcome oriented and I. I see the potential but that's where I. said, remember short-term long-term. goals. If I'm only focused on the outcome, I'm. never going to get there. And when I do. that dopamine's going to drop off and. I'm going to be like, "Well, shit." I'm. going to fly you know, just fly back to. where I was. It's the short-term. It's. the. I want to win. I want to feel better. I.

want a better life for myself. I want a. better life for my children. I want to. be I want to be a better person for the. people around me. Maybe people are. single and they're looking for someone. I always get asked that. How do you find. a great guy? I'm like you have to be a. great person. You have to make yourself. a great healthy person to attract. another great healthy person. So it's. the journey. It's not the destination, right? That's just health 101. It's the. journey not the destination. Interestingly in your in your book you. don't have a chapter about this but. you've said in other situations that. saunas have been a pretty critical.

beneficial tool for you and your health. over the past couple years. Yeah, sauna. Just getting hot. Like you can get hot. in a bathtub. You can get hot through. exercise. But just getting your body. heat up will induce heat shock proteins. which does so many great things for your. brain and. immediately makes people feel better. People wonder often. They go do some. aerobic exercise and they think it might. be the endorphins from the run. And I'm. like if you turned into a sweaty mess. during that, you got a whole bunch of. other benefits, too, right? We're moving. lymph. We're moving blood. It doesn't.

sound that sexy. But those heat shock. proteins are it. They have a. significantly positive impact on our. immune system. Somewhere around 40%. reduction in pneumonia when induced. So. like do all the things, right? Just go. get hot. And when I am out of sorts and. my immune system's flaring and I'm sort. of at the end of my wits and I don't. know what to do, I just think I got to. go cook the [ __ ] out of myself. I just got to go get hot and get sweaty. and then generally the solution comes to. me or I have a better path ahead of me,

right? The a little bit of light will. come out ahead. I'm like, "Okay, that's. the direction I have to go." And so. sauna is a wonderful way to do but I. know that's not available to everyone. So, bathtubs, just getting hot. When you When I look. back through your childhood and your. teenage years and I see all this pain, you know, um There's a lot of I've had a. lot of pain. 5 years old, you're in hospital. Um nurses are forcing you down. As you go through your teenage years, you were in a really dark place. mentally. You As you said, you were.

suicidal and you tried to overdose on. medicine. I think I was an early. I was talking to my husband about this. the other day. I think I was a really. early version of what we're seeing with. so many young people today. I think I. was um you know, I was brought up on a. lot of ultra-processed foods as. ultra-processed as they would have been. in those days. A lot of Wonder Bread and. baloney and you know, Velveeta cheese. I. don't know what you have here, but you. know, like a processed cheese blob. And. I think that. my falling apart of my health and my.

mental well-being in my teenage years. was a direct result of just severe. malnutrition and. ultra-processed food addiction. Did you. have ADHD as well? Yeah, they called it. hyperkinetic. And do you know what the. solution was? They said, "Get her a dog. and make sure she's always physically. active and keep her away from white. foods." So, breads, cookies, crackers, processed foods, right? That was as. processed as it got. And I I always. think of that old doctor and that advice. cuz it was perfect. It It's perfect. Whenever I have a patient who's really.

ailing, I'm like, "Do you have a dog?". It's really important they have a dog. There's so many reasons, but it's it's. just simple stuff. And I think what. we're seeing now is a very extreme. version of that. And so many young. people are really really really. suffering. And my daughter was one of. them and she's 24 and her friends are. all so sick and have such. health troubles and it's. there's no answers. There's only just. more drugs. Their moms are sick. Their. moms all have autoimmune disease. I. mean, it's just devastating to me, you. know? So, to me,

you say, you know, you mentioned like. it's hard when we're in this soup of. toxins, but to me, it's I'm put That's. my pushback. That is how I pushback. against the system. I want to infect as. many people as I can with the truth of. their responsibility of taking care of. themselves the best way that they can. And you don't have to do all of it all. at once. Like I said, it's a journey. So, just pick one thing. Like start with. the walks. Or start with the. milk jugs and the push-ups or the. squatting your cat. I don't care.

Whatever it is, but start with one thing. and then start to build. And just start. making these things habits, right? And to me, they're just non-negotiable. It's It's just the way it is and that's. the only way I I mean, I'm batshit crazy. if I don't lift weights and I don't eat. well. And I think a lot of people are. And I think we just medicate them or we. dismiss them or we just sort of allow. them to sort of. descend further into the misery. We can live with neurodivergence. We can. live with I mean, I do think I have a.

bit of neurodivergence as well or. whatever they would have called it back. then, but I I think that we can live. with these things harmoniously and turn. them into superpowers so long as we. take good care of ourselves. I had a. whole career built off of helping people. with chronic pain because I understood. it cuz I had lived with chronic pain my. whole life, right? Like I intimately. understood how to help them and I. thought outside the box because I knew. what it felt like and I just wanted to. help them. And I I think that that's. what it comes down to. And you're in. your early 30s, but when you get to your. late 40s and you start waking up and.

you're like, "Oh, so this is what, you. know, what it feels like.". Hopefully, you'll become more proactive. That's when you really start getting. into it. And then you start seeking out. other options. Maybe you Maybe you will. need some bioidentical hormone. replacement then, you know? Maybe you'll. you'll have a different perspective at. that point a bit as as you go and. experience it because we all do, right? We can be vehemently one way and I'm not. saying you are, but a lot of people are. really dogmatic. And I'm like, "Okay, well, like the people who really hate on. Ozempic, I'm like, "Well, it's showing. great.

promise with Alzheimer's and. Parkinson's. I hope you never need it. if you're so vehemently against it that. you won't even consider it, you know? I. don't mean you, but just in general. Like be open-minded and. seek knowledge.". What is the most important thing. that you have to share that maybe we. haven't talked about? Is there anything that we've missed? I would honestly just say always seek. knowledge. Always be learning. Always be. seeking knowledge. Always be open-minded. to different things. Even if you've. taken a hard stance on something, consider alternatives. And when you hear.

people telling the truth or it sounds. like they're telling the truth, double-check them. Look up sources. Don't just follow. influencers. Don't just follow what. someone says on Instagram or what. someone says on a podcast. Go look it up. and learn more. I. often I'm I'm planting seeds for my. audience often. And I will tell them. something and they want all the. information right then. And I'm like, "No, no, no. I'm trying to get you to. actually go look up more information. I. want everyone in my audience to be a. knowledge seeker because that is how you.

learn and that is how you grow and. that's how you stay on top of it. And. that's how you stay one step ahead, right?" I have a closing tradition on. this podcast as well, where the last. guest leaves a question for the next. guest not knowing who they're going to. be leaving it for. And the question left in the diary of a. CEO for you is, let's see, when you reach the end of your life, what has brought you the most joy and is. that the thing you're most proud of? Yes. I have picked a hard path for.

myself. I I. I always try to be brave. and tell the truth as I know it. And. it's not always popular. And as my. audience grows, it gets harder because I. get more and more pushback. But I refuse to step down when I find. something that can help people. I have. dedicated my life to trying to get that. message out to as many people as I can. if it would be helpful to them. And so, while it at times I've felt. like, "What have I done? Why Why do I.

keep doing I feel like Joan of Arc at. times, you know? I'm I'm the girl over here with the. early unpopular opinion. But I feel proud of that. I know my. daughter is proud of me and I know that. I've helped a lot of people. A lot. I. know a lot of people have and they've. come back to me and said, "You saved my. life." in one way or another. And I'm. really proud of that. And that's I just. want to be of service as best I can. And my gift, I think, is uh. taking complicated information and. explaining it simplistically so that. people can implement. And while that's. been hard and challenging and I've.

received a ton of pushback that has aged. me and made me sick at times, I'm really proud of that. Dr. Tina Moore, I I find it so interesting, you know, cuz um. it's an idea This idea of microdosing. Ozempic is not one that I've come across. before. I discovered your work online. and I'm of the contingent where I like. to hear new ideas that maybe haven't had. all the clinical studies run on them. before, but I like to.

I like to imagine. the possibilities. And then obviously, there's scientists that are going to do. the research and that that research is. going to continue for many decades to. come. But I'm I'm intrigued by it. I'm. curious by it. It doesn't mean that I'm. going to go on Google and start. microdosing myself in my bedroom. I'm. absolutely not going to do that. But I like I like how it assembles a. picture in my mind about this new thing. and the potential possibilities of this. new thing. So, that's why I wanted to. have a conversation today. And I think. as you've. clearly said, everybody listening should.

do their own research. They should go. out there. They should. speak to the doctor. They should look at. the studies that we've cited today. They. should do their own independent research. to form their own view. But I think all. progress starts with these sort of. initial hypotheses, these sort of. anecdotal experiences, and then society. eventually catches up. Or society proves that that hypothesis. was something else or wrong in some way. And that's why I have these I think. handled in the right way and when. presented with the nuance of all these.

subjects, they can be. the start of a snowball. that can cause society to start asking. questions. And through that debate and. through that investigation, we can. hopefully arrive at a better place. And. I especially like these conversations. when I believe that someone's intent and. their intentions are so pure and so. well-intentioned. And that's certainly. the case for you. So, thank you so much. for the work you're doing and all the. wonderful people you've helped. I've. seen so many hundreds of comments from. people that have. um benefited from the work that you do. And I think that's a remarkable thing.

and uh a force for good in the world. So, it's been a pleasure to speak to you. today. And thank you for. making the journey despite the herniated. disc. Thank you so much for having me. It's a true honor.