The Man Thats Ageing Backwards: “I Was 45, I’m Now 18!” - Bryan Johnson

those are all the pills you take in one. day 111 because that's where the data. led me this is how you don't die Brian. Johnson the man who spends two million. dollars a year to slow down as age he's. managed to reverse his biological age. already to an 18 year old projected to. live to 200. the only objective we have is don't die. I've opted into an algorithm that takes. better care of me than I can myself it. sounds overwhelming in the beginning but. trust me on this so my bedtime is at 8. 30. and you had a hundred percent sleep.

four months straight now what about. hanky-panky not after 8 30. alcohol. three ounces every morning with. breakfast for breakfast for breakfast my. last meal of the day is at 11AM and. every calorie has to fight for its life. you are very kind in bringing me some. food presumably this is what you eat. that's right if you ask the body what do. you want to eat to be an ideal Health. this is the answer for the legit rude. that is a mushroom covered in chocolate. how fun. why is Brian doing this I was thinking. about what your father went through and. I was wondering if there's some kind of.

Link there it was always on my mind I. mean he's in pain and he's stuck and he. can't overcome this terrible thing. that's ruining his life. foreign. I am. you're very very clearly Mission driven. the ultimate question becomes are you. happy.

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Prime. [Music]. what mission are you on and why does. that mission matter to you but also to. everybody else listening to this right. now. my mission. is for the human race to survive. and Thrive and it's figuring out what we. do. that creates the highest probability of. that being possible. and why specifically have you taken on.

that mission versus any other Mission. you could have committed your life and. time to why you. hmm. and I want the long answer to this yeah. because all the context going right back. to the beginning I had this. transformative experience when I was 19. years old I went to Ecuador and I was a. missionary and I lived among extreme. poverty dirt floors mud huts. people not knowing how they're going to. make ends meet day-to-day and I came. back to the United States and my family.

was poor growing up but it was opulent. compared to Ecuador I couldn't believe. that I had lived in a bubble my entire. life unaware of circumstances of other. realities like where I was at in Ecuador. and I was facing decisions in college. what to study what to become who I was. going to be you start creating these. identities. all I could identify was this fire that. had lit within me that I wanted to spend. my life trying to improving the human. race at a global scale I don't know. where it came from but it just coming. back from Ecuador it seemed like that.

was what I want to spend my life on I. didn't know what to do I was 21 years. old I didn't have any ideas and so I. thought I would become an entrepreneur. make a whole bunch of money by the age. of 30 and then with that money try to. figure out a plan to do it and so lucky. me I sold Braintree venmo at 34 I made a. few hundred million dollars it sold for. 800 million dollars right. and then I set my mind to this question. of what one thing in existence. could I do that would be relevant in the. 25th Century I grew up on biographies.

and so I'm accustomed to thinking about. things on centuries time scale. so doing things that not the matter in. the news cycle tomorrow but the. intelligence in the 21st century would. say you know what we appreciate what. happened in the early 21st century. take me a couple of years further. backwards in the the timeline I want to. understand. before the age of 16 how would you. describe the personality of that young. man if I if you walked in here now and. you sat down how would you like. characterize that young man.

friendly and fun so I think that the. event that activities maybe that defines. me the best is I was in. seventh grade going into eighth grade. and there was the kid started breaking. out into different groups of identities. donors jocks you know nerds and it. saddened me because I wanted to be. friends with everybody and people. started creating these groups and there. was this conflict between which groups. can hang out with which groups and so I.

made a map of the social structure of. the entire School of what people were. what groups and then where they're at. within that group so were they the the. alpha in the group and then you had the. second tiers and third tiers and then I. systematically went about and I became. friends with everyone in the entire. school every single group and it didn't. matter who you were. I was friends with you and so I really. enjoyed connecting with people I enjoyed. the friendships I enjoyed the. interactions I enjoyed different people. for different reasons and uh.

I guess that's kind of stuck with me. where I the idea of group structure and. hindering it's same with ideas like if. you're in a certain idea and you can't. Bridge another idea. the outcome wasn't the most telling part. of that story the most telling part of. the story was the process the process if. you made a physical like a physical. diagram in the school you didn't just do. it in your head you went home as how a. 16 year old or something yeah uh yeah so. I was um. like 13 12 or 13. yeah you must be able. to say objectively that that's unusual.

behavior for a 12 year old to be that. analytical about problem solving uh for. 12 year old that's not what I was doing. when I was doing plastic ball against. the fence and you're dissecting the. social structure of the school and then. manipulating it to make friends with. everybody yeah that's how information. presents itself like when I meet. somebody uh like in the movie A. Beautiful Mind with John Nash who did uh. equilibrium uh Nash equilibrium uh. there's a scene where you go into his. garage and he has this big wall and has. like pictures and then it has pins and. it has threads everything connected it's.

like this mad man's wall that's how my. my mind understands information is when. I meet somebody or or look at a given. problem I instantaneously go to creating. a map of all information uh like one of. the center pieces what's connecting to. what how is it structured what's the. dimensions of it and so even if I meet. someone new and they tell me a story. like you know I was at the coffee shop. and you're like what details do they. include in this conversation what is. their the person they're telling me. about what about the reaction for the. people what elements do they identify. and that then enables me to create this.

structure of their mind and how they. package the information and so yeah my. mind just naturally uh hangs on to every. single word and creates a scaffolding of. how the person understands reality. that sounds exhausting to someone whose. mind does not work in that way. it's exhilarating. so 19 years old you go from this this. Mormon mission to Ecuador this. ultimately culminates in a question. challenging your faith.

um happened to me the same age in fact I. was very religious when I was younger. and then 80 19 years old that's all. starts to fall apart what was your. process like. uh it was torture. and I think I'm not sure what religion. you are in Christianity or whatever yeah. yeah okay yeah this was not a whatever. thing for me. when you're a raised Mormon it is your. singular reality and identity of. existence it's not like you're casually.

involved it's everything you are as a. human and so. when you are like when you're born into. it and then force fed that. and your entire Community is built upon. that it creates structures in your mind. that you're not even aware of and so as. I began breaking from it I would. rationally be able to walk to the. conclusions say logically I don't. understand the situation but then. emotionally the brain was like hold. tight you know like we feel the. following things we can't quite. structure in a logical format and it.

creates this bizarre conundrum in the. brain and so I had that difficulty then. that got caught up in my depression. where in my early 20s I my brain I got. into chronic depression where the brain. was like life is awful you know. everything is hopeless life is not worth. living you should kill yourself and so. in that moment I learned that I could. observe my brain dropping these thoughts. on me and that I wasn't my thoughts. like Depression was The Depression was. speaking.

but it wasn't me. and when I learned that I thought wait a. second if I am an observing depression. and action here. what can I trust for my brain in the. first place so when a thought drops in. my my awareness. where did that come from and could I. trust it under what circumstances and. then I realized if my brain is doing. this to me other brains are doing this. other people. how can I trust their brains and so it's. just like this Authority collapse where. in religion all the people who I had. trusted to tell me.

to give me. wise advice about life that fell apart. my brain fell apart other people's. brains fell apart and I began arriving. to this observation who in reality can I. trust no matter what circumstances. and that really started that kickstarted. the process of me trying to reconstruct. my reality in a way that I felt was. stable. versus like ping-ponging around to like. just wild emotion and this random. thought from my brain how long did your. Depression last and when did it start uh.

age 24 I remember I was in the a parking. lot one day with my brother we were. working on a startup and something just. broke in my brain I remember telling him. like Hey something just happened I feel. it it's weird and he was like just power. through it I'm like okay but I I. physically felt something happened one. day and then I just got in this funk for. 10 years and I couldn't get out of it 10. years. and what did that funk look like. practically day to day or week by week. it was uh.

they're like all these different layers. of problems so I I was married we had uh. we had our first baby at the age of 25. so I've got a baby at home I'm not. sleeping we're taking care of the first. one then I'm building startups on top of. that and then we're also working my way. out of Mormonism but then that's a. conflict because my wife is you know. also Mormonism and the kid like the. communities around us and all my entire. world is this community and so then we. don't have any money to pay our bills. I'm in a startup I'm trying to figure. out how to deal with the religion thing. trying to keep my marriage together it.

just creates this. disaster of a circumstance where I just. I'm paralyzed and stuck in the. depression in the relationship in the. religion not sleeping depressed trying. to survive in the startup world and it. was that was kind of my state for about. 10 years trying to navigate all those. competing complexities when you look. back and try you diagnose the factors. that cause that depression is it that. that pressure from all different sides. that you think caused the depression I. do and so during that 10 years I I.

pursued solving my depression with equal. rigor as I have anything else I tried. everything known to humans to solve. depression nothing worked the thing that. worked is my relationship ended and I. left the Mormon church. and it just left it and that was the. most remarkable experience of my life I. just thought it was like this permanent. State I couldn't exit but those two. modifications. just lifted the cloud and what did that. teach you about the nature of your. depression.

uh. I was paralyzed. and those decisions felt Unthinkable to. me even though I could logically. conclude this religion was not something. I was going to follow and the. relationship wasn't working out the idea. of becoming a divorced father. and being in that circumstance the idea. of leaving my entire community of going. out and sticking out a new existential. reality it paralyzed me and I couldn't. get over the idea that it would be. better on the other side.

and once I once I got myself there that. it's actually better for the kids that. was the key thing for me is. there was one experience I was in turkey. with some friends late at night. and it snapped in my brain the kids are. better off with these decisions and. that's all I needed and then the next. day I put everything into motion. and why did that matter to you so much. do you think. I suppose that uh for whatever reason I. have been an intensely devoted father.

like I care deeply about being there for. my children for whatever reason yeah I. mean I don't know why you know like it's. just it's maybe it's part of my identity. maybe I'm trying to compensate for. something I don't know but I I invested. very very heavily into my children and. the idea of being a divorced father. you know with like some kind of split. custody situation with some kind of. weird thing between Mom and me and like. you know that whole thing I just I. couldn't. I couldn't sign up for it and so I.

stayed in the bad relationship I stayed. in the religion trying to thinking that. it was my kids were better off because. of it and I really they weren't. links to your own childhood doesn't it. where your parents separated when you. were super young. yeah like so much was going on in my. mind when I'm three years old and my dad. is no longer present and then my mom. premiered eight my father goes through a. bunch of problems and like I remember my. father. uh I give credit to my father for owning. up to his life I remember I I knew my.

father was on drugs at the age like. seven or eight. and I would call him when I knew he was. high. I'd say hey Dad like how's it going. and. you know like. um. I just knew it I wrote him letters and. like he you know. um. yeah we just worked through it together. but uh it was always on my mind. if you're visibly emotional to say that.

yeah. why. I mean he's in pain and he's stuck and. he can't overcome this terrible thing. that's ruining his life and he's not a. father to me and you know he. he uh he can't pick me up when he says. he's gonna pick me up and he can't do. the things he wants to do so it's just. it's uh it depressed it steals life from. him and it still is life from me and. it's something that uh. dominated his life for a long time.

you make that decision to separate and. to leave the community of Mormonism. what's life like from then onwards. I mean. so it was I I sold Braintree yeah so. within one year's time. I sold Braintree. got a divorce. left the church. and overcame my depression wow. and what are you.

one year and I think maybe the moment. that captures it the most is I was I was. in Virginia at the time. and I was looking at where I was going. to live next and so I spent some time in. New York. and for the first time I went to a party. in Brooklyn a warehouse party or they. they started like at midnight or one. and I'd go there with some friends and I. would dance for six seven hours.

and it was I think one of the most. joyful experiences of my entire life I. had never danced before. but for some reason this moment of. eliminating all this weight that had. been on me for all this time I just felt. free and I can move my body like I never. had before my friends would. uh they would be they were in disbelief. that after five six seven hours I'm like. let's go.

let's find something else but it was I. think it was probably. an outpouring of. desire that it had for all these years. that just was bottled up and it was also. the time that I I was starting to. reconstruct I mean I had the money I. didn't care about spending the money on. anything like I didn't like money has no. value to me outside of the objective to. do something meaningful for the world. and so I really started spending an. enormous amount of time thinking about. through this question if you've applied.

this filter. what matters in the 25th Century. like you go back look what matters in. the 15th century and 16th and 17th and. you find that. 99 of all things that happen I'm making. up a number. is gone. and we're left with these teeny little. nuggets of information now there's more. because we're capturing more than we. ever had before but time has a way to. filter out non-essential relevance. and so if you say that now if we say. what we're doing in 2023 and you look at.

your life and you map out what's going. to be left of your existence in 10 years. 100 years 200 years 300 years. and that's what I want to focus on is. only those things everything else is to. me in my it's not for everyone for me. it's a waste of my capacity as a person. when you describe dancing in Brooklyn I. mean if I lived in Brooklyn for three. years so I I did the warehouse parties I. know the vibe the very low unsuperficial. nature of the place and the energy you. you describe it almost therapeutically.

as being able to kind of. shake out yeah wait that you were. holding yeah specifically what is that. weight you were holding you've sold. Braintree. if you're dancing in Brooklyn what is. the weight you're you're shaking out. my entire life I had been told by. Authority structures whether it be a. religion. or Society or a relationship or. Community you can do these things you. can think these things you can say these.

things and you can become these things. everyone wanted to put limiters. and after that. none it was no longer a game of what you. can't do it was a game of what I can do. and it just exploded and now my entire. life is what I can do. potential is terrifying and I can the. moment somebody starts creeping on that. that they want to superimpose a label on. me or superimpose a norm or superimpose.

any tool humans have to say oh you. stepped out of line you need to be. punished. I can feel it like I know where people. try to create those guardrails and. everyone does it because it's like oh if. you're doing something that's not normal. I feel uncomfortable I want to bring you. back into the herd because that's going. to make me feel a lot better and so I'm. attuned to. the constant attempts at people trying. to normalize everyone else. we do that in language right we say.

someone is weird and you know I think of. moments where I broke out of my my. community when I say my community I mean. like you know you have a group of. friends and and then you say I'm going. to start business and I'm going to be. this guy and the they use words to pull. you back in these facial expressions. little subtle. you know exactly the little you're the. telling you you're weird and stupid and. ridiculous without saying it with words. um. people think you're weird don't they. uh that's one word they use yeah yeah.

now it makes sense to me now now it. makes sense to me with the context of. your religion and how. imprisoned you you say you felt in the. context of that religion I can now. understand your resilience and your. resistance. to falling in line. yeah and not only that it's it's play. now for me right it's like a mousetrap. yeah. um I want to push the part of the mouse.

trap that makes it snap and pull my. finger out before my finger gets trapped. and it's just like this whole little. thing is a set of mouse traps I'm like. this one today and then like by doing. that you really get a feel for these all. these invisible layers we have in. society so what you just said is it's so. I loved your comment it's just like like. the smallest facial feature and uh audio. captures the whole thing right like I. disapprove of your behavior of your. thought process if you do this I'm going.

to penalize you by not offering you my. friendship and approval and you put in. the Penalty Box and it's like. half of a second of a gesture but it. collapses the entirety on your shoulders. where you're like oh man. I don't want to be part of the out group. I want to be part of the group. I wonder how much potential is trapped. behind those little facial expressions. and that little social Conformity. pressure you know like human potential. of creativity and Ingenuity and thinking. for yourself and you know. must be a.

Jesus Christ most of human potential. must be trapped behind that yeah so this. is the thing this is why I'm playing. when you build this wall and you have. images you have strings attached to each. one you're trying to scaffold like how. is information scaffolded. you can use this you can poke a system. and get the response back and then get. fill in the Contours like oh like this. is what people think and feel in this. moment of what the Norms are because. otherwise they're invisible so that's. why when someone tells you a story about. their behavior at the coffee shop and. how some person was rude to someone or.

whatever they're revealing to them that. to everyone else in the conversation all. the norm structures they have. and if you listen carefully you. understand how they have scaffold. information what Norms they've accepted. which things are rejecting and where. they play in that hierarchy. are there any correlations between. the most successful people you've met or. happy people you know you've met and. their ability to embody and take on. these social constructs do you know what. I'm saying yeah my mother is one of the. happiest people I've ever met my life. and she plays exactly in the norm.

structure of the religion she's deeply. religious she's still Mormon she thrives. in the Mormon Community everyone loves. her. she's delightfully happy and so my. mother does not need to push boundaries. she doesn't need to explore the. possibilities she she has a singular. reality it works for her she's happy. she's joyful she's a fantastic mother so. I guess there's like all these different. archetypes of people who play in. different spaces for me that wasn't. where I thrive. you thrive.

my education has come from biographies. and I've read. I don't know over 100. all throughout history and I love. learning about people in their time and. place who identify something impossibly. hard to see. and do. and they did both. and when you do that it the algorithm of. human behavior is so predictable. of defiance and hate and vitriol like it.

just goes through the same cycle every. single time and so I have all these. models in my mind of people who've done. these things and so I know when I do. this myself I know what models to. anticipate I know how that naturally. winds its way through Society and also. how to fingerprint what things are. inevitable so you find a given thing you. say what are the characteristics around. this idea or invention or whatever. and then once you have it you know it's. societal adoption is inevitable it does. not matter what humans say doesn't.

matter if they Revolt doesn't matter if. they bring the pitchforce that doesn't. matter it's going to find its way. through push all the way through. humanity and that's the thing is the. what are the ideas you can't see what. characteristics do they have and when. they become inevitable and do you. consider yourself to be an instigator of. new ideas. if I were to make a Whimsical and flimty. statement I would say I was born to. introduce these new ideas into society. and what is that new idea. uh it's that in the 21st century. the only objective we have is don't die.

don't die. it's that simple. but we're gonna we're all gonna die now. you don't think so this is the thing so. this is why it sounds. silly because I was told everybody dies. the only thing inevitable in life is. death are we driving past a graveyard. the other day and I pointed and said. great business that because yeah because. you know I think it was like it was like. a it was a graveyard it was a um like a.

funeral home and I was like great. business yeah they'll never have a. customer yeah. okay so if you let's think about the. structure of why that statement may be. the rallying Cry of the 21st century. those two words. so we may think like we're inclined to. think that. uh genius or sophistication or whatever. is in this much broader complexity of. statement it may be two words don't die. so Galaxy's 13.8 years old Earth is 4.5.

right something like that. where baby steps away from creating. super intelligence. we cannot. we cannot model out what the future is. going to be like in any way shape or. form. we do not have the intellectual capacity. to predict to model to anticipate we're. blind. it's an intelligence first period in US. in that situation the only thing we can.

play. is don't die. don't kill each other. don't ruin our biosphere. don't rule in Planet Earth. and don't underestimate aligning with AI. the only objective of the future of our. existence. we have to figure out how all. Intelligence on this planet cooperates. humans and the planet artificial. intelligence it's this big tapestry of. goal alignment of cooperation.

that is the only task Humanity has ahead. of us. okay let's start with number one then. yeah so the first one is don't die so I. guess yes or no question do you think. it's possible for us in the in the short. future to live forever yes okay right. I'm gonna go one step further back your. health Journey before you came to that. realization what did that look like in. terms of were you a healthy young man. were you were you drinking alcohol yeah.

no I mean as a as a kid my mother did a. did the best she could under the. circumstances we were pretty poor she. ground we She Made bread for us we also. ate sugar cereal we put sugar on our. sugar sugar cereal we were in the sun. constantly with no sunscreens we had. excessive skin sun exposure. um you know we ate processed foods like. it was just it was United the United. States cultural environment in the 1980s. like we just were cemented in that. cultural norm so I'd say you know not. terribly healthy uh then 20 years of.

Entrepreneurship depression bad. relationship trying to live with. religion I kind of destroyed myself body. and mind for 20 years. and how do you feel about that now. because I remember reading a quote where. you said it pains me to think about the. damage you've done to your body up until. that up until now it pained me really it. pains me to see all the damage I did to. myself. really pains you it does. when I you know that's a phrase right.

but is there reality to that pain I. I feel like I have a relationship to my. former self as though my former self. were present I don't view it as a it's. gone by because in many ways when I'm. reversing my aging when I'm becoming. more healthy I'm moving back in time I'm. moving back to a younger biological. state so I'm occupying the person that. formerly occupied me and so I I have. this relationship with time that is. atypical or typically I would normally. say like well that's just happened and.

now I just have to go forward but given. where the science and technology is at I. do believe we can travel back in time. now it's you know we're blueprint is. showing the possibilities we're not. there yet on doing this these dramatic. things but I think it's coming. and so yeah I I've literally feel pain. because I'm moving into that space. you feel pain because you're moving into. that space okay yeah that is yeah most. of us consider the past to be gone. exactly I don't I I feel like I. feel like it's recoverable and that I.

experience it. so take me forward from that point then. I want to know when things started to. change in terms of your health. perspective and just do not die yeah. well I started taking care of myself. after I saw Braintree in the divorce and. all that kind of stuff I started paying. attention to my health more so than I. ever had my entire life. and it came back to this question you. know what one thing do I do in existence. that would be meaningful not five things. or six things like one thing that. matters in the 25th Century and.

I worked on I came up with this idea. that basically. the core of it is. I can't trust myself to act act in my. best interest and it's stem from. depression I knew my mind my mind was. encouraging me to commit suicide on a. Non-Stop basis yes yeah that's what. chronic depression feels like is you. desperately want to commit suicide every. moment of every day you just want relief. from the awfulness and you can't you.

cannot imagine. feeling not depressed and so I I knew. that I couldn't trust my mind when it. was doing these things and so then also. I have this problem with food where I. would feel so depressed and I would feel. stressed from the day from work with my. kids and so it was my inability to stop. myself. from overeating every single night and. walking myself into an early grave so. then I paired those things two things. together like okay first of all my. brain's like hey why don't you commit. suicide and two my body's like why don't. you just eat yourself into Oblivion and.

I couldn't stop myself. I thought this is really weird that we. humans are the most intelligent species. on the planet yet I'm doing these. behaviors that are not in my best. interest this is really weird and I. can't stop but I'm totally helpless in. doing it and start piecing together this. philosophy of like okay this is. interesting we kind of treat planet. Earth like we treat our bodies my. behavior is not too dissimilar from what. Society is doing. and I thought what is the larger. implication of the situation. we humans. have a problem.

of acting in our best interest. is there alternative structure of. authority. that could do a better job. and that's when I really came up with. the core of what blueprint is which is I. said okay instead of my mind doing this. on a regular basis I'm going to measure. every organ in my body. I'm going to ask it what it needs to be. in its best space so my kidney and liver. and heart and lungs you're going to take. the data look at scientific evidence and. then create an algorithm and then I'm. going to follow that algorithm. uh perfectly and so my body is going to.

call the shots not my mind. and that was when it all kind of came. together uh with trying to piece the. other AI maybe the revolution. is we humans have done a wonderful job. to arrive at this point. maybe it's time for us to pass the. Reigns to other control systems. that manage our long-term interests. better. and what are those long-term control.

systems that you believe can manage our. interests better I mean for example now. like my my mind is not authorized to. look at a menu in order it's not. authorized to have a pizza party it's. not authorized to just on the whim. decide I want to have a cookie. my body is in charge my body reports. this data it looks at scientific. evidence and algorithm runs so I have. opted into an algorithm that takes. better care of me. than I can myself. my mind can chirp. and can Heckle from the bleachers.

but it does not have the authority to. make the decision. but you must understand the mind is. doing that for a reason the mind is also. concerned with survival it's not that uh. um cause harm to you that's not it's. objective. you know it wasn't that makes no sense. from a survival perspective that you'd. have this enemy in your head. so how do you reason why the mind is. telling you to do these things. if we just let the data speak so let's. just say uh we're looking at DNA.

methylation patterns and it's these are. this is data that shows how fast the. body's aging so here's your speed of. Aging so I take my former self and say. what is the data show how fast am I. aging and how fast is disease. progressing and what's my what's my. likelihood of dying then and now. and you compare the two. there's no comparison the system that's. running me now so far out competes the. other version it's ridiculous. so just from a so let's just um I'll go.

one layer deeper on this. what I did is I. I asked this broader question so we have. ai we have super Intelligence being. created we have to figure out alignment. how do we use AI so that we humans. continue to exist. so we don't kill each other. so the AI doesn't destroy everything. like so we're just trying to survive. right Society to survive how would you. possibly go about doing that problem. and so I started thinking about this. alignment problem within me so I'm 35. trillion cells thereabouts maybe more.

how could I as an entity align my 35. trillion cells to cooperate. and we're trying to do that with people. with Society right you're trying to get. this huge number of things to cooperate. and then I wanted to measure and say. Okay what is perfect cooperation on the. objective of me slowing my speed of. Aging. and then I did hundreds of measurements. and we said okay here's actually what. science can do in this moment with. everything with diet and sleep and. exercise all being perfect here's the. maximum amount of slowing speed of Aging.

for my 35 trillion sales to do. anything above that I consider it to be. an act of violence now we use violence. in society to we typically associate. people beating each other like physical. acts of violence I expanded the term to. capture my own behavior. so if I did if I ate something or did. something that would increase my speed. of Aging that was an act of violence. against self. because my 35 trillion sales were no. longer aligned it was like this one. aberration be like hey I wanted this. thing but it ruins 35 trillion cells I.

wanted to pose a question we as a. species are trying to figure out how to. cooperate can I do that with me as a. single entity. and that's what I've been trying to do. goal alignment within Brian Johnson 35. trillion cells to a single objective. exist. so why is the brain our adversary. why is it being uncooperative with the. longevity of the 35 million cells. I mean let's just say like let's just. remove all story let's just say if we.

categorized as violence anything we did. as a species. that brought death closer to us whether. it be our personal death or whether it. be the Earth's death and we Quantified. that and we said how much violence do we. do we do in a self-destructive way what. is that number. huge. so if you when you look at that frame we. are a self-destructive species now it. goes back this idea that of death of. like if you say death is inevitable for.

everybody. it doesn't matter if I commit these. self-destructive acts like I'm gonna die. anyway so like why do I care if it's 10. years earlier than normal whatever I'm. 35 now and I've when I'm 70 I don't care. if I live to 80 like that's how you. think so that's why this this whole. death idea. feeds the self-destruction because no. one cares. if death is not inevitable you. immediately come back to the thing to. threatens the thing you care about the. very most which is anything that. threatens existence.

and so the society we have right now the. majority of the philosophies say. be you know play by these rules and you. get this afterlife. right they said death is inevitable but. we're all playing for this later game. and so everyone feels fine in this. colossal self-destruction. if you take that away. and then you say you can live in this. life. it's an entirely different game and. that's why the 21st century the singular. revolution could be don't die because it. it flips the philosophical structure of.

society on its head. and this will lead you to project. blueprint which is what. a project blueprint is an attempt. at. don't die at every layer of society. individually collectively with AI and. the planet so you trying to reverse your. your age or are you trying not to die. are you trying both off. and so the same thing is true like just. like I've done blueprint with me.

planet Earth is the body. so you would approach the same problem. you would measure Earth with millions of. measurements at some interval you'd use. scientific evidence to say what is the. appropriate sustainable biosphere of. coral reef of ocean of temperature in. the in the world of ocean acidity of all. the different parts of our biosphere. and you apply the scientific evidence. and that creates the closed loop system. to say this is how you don't die. okay so let's focusing again on do not.

die which was actually one of the Only. Rule in my first company now it feels. like it has new meaning we wrote it on. the wallet when we first moved into the. office we just wrote one rule here and. we just wrote do not die that's great we. said it as a joke but you know maybe. you're under something yeah. when you think about do not die what are. the things that stand the greatest. chance of killing us in order of. priority. like there's basic things on a. day-to-day basis like driving is among. the highest risk factors we do all of us. do on a databases so every time I get.

into a car I have a ritual where I say. driving I say it out loud driving is the. most dangerous thing I do. as a reminder every time I get in the. car. don't text don't be on your phone. like pay attention to the rise of the. road because like you you forget every. time you jump in the car you're so. tempted to like do all these things that. imperil your life so you say that out. loud every time I'd love to watch you. drive. where you can drive me whenever as well. because I feel like I trust you to focus. on the road so driving is number one of. things that pose a really statistically.

High threat of mortality what else yeah. I mean there are so people have built. nice statistical models that that uh. show like risk of death like insurance. companies of course like they do that um. I'm really after the cultural norms yeah. that. we have built a society addicted to. addiction. we're all addicted. so you you just think about this from a. 25th Century perspective you put a human.

Like Us in an environment. and you encircle them. with dozens of fast food chains dozens. of uh stores selling sugary drinks of. junk food of porn of infinite scroll of. Netflix binging alcohol smoking gambling. nicotine right like you like your. masturbation not yeah like there you go. like your list is and then you say like. okay human. on your own with your own willpower.

resist this and then around them you've. got. the power of our Godlike Powers pointing. at the individual with the only. objective is to getting that person. addicted to their thing their app their. food their show their whatever. everything's point in the individual the. individual is like. I'm overwhelmed I can't sleep you know. like I don't feel well I I can't. exercise I don't have any time. we were just sick as a society and it's.

because we've structurally built this. around this yeah it's a it's kind of a. disaster for us in the moment where. we're trying to muster up soberness of. thought. of how do we navigate these simultaneous. existential risks we Face how do we not. destroy our biosphere how do we align. with AI how do we get humans not engage. in nuclear war or bio Warfare or. whatever. it's um we're just we have really.

serious challenges to solve and we're. all impaired. it makes you have a great deal of. empathy for The Human Experience when. you you frame as we've taken a human. being you know baby is born and then we. surround them with fast food chains and. sugar and all these things that are. highly highly addictive and then we say. to them be healthy do your best yeah you. know don't don't kill yourself and you. know yeah good luck good luck it's sad. and then it's it's I say empathy because.

you have when you frame it like that I. go no wonder people are struggling you. know with sleepless nights obesity. cardiovascular diseases porn addictions. drug addictions. you know because we've manipulated the. I'm not going to try and pretend I'm a. neuroscientist but we've manipulated the. chemicals in their brain yeah. to control them for often for you know. corporate greed and other things that's. right. you mentioned sleep. and you point at this as being really. foundational to.

Health yeah when I sit here with these. you know psychologists and health. experts and doctors and heart surgeons. and brain surgeons they always point to. sleep as they all point at sleep as. being foundational the other day you did. a tweet. about your sleep do you know what I'm. talking about. screenshot yeah I think it was whoop. right yeah that's right. and it showed that you'd had a hundred. percent sleep for six months straight. four months straight now four months. straight 99 Brazil yes 100 for four.

months 99 the other two months I'm going. for a six month 100 streak. why is sleep so important. because you you cite it in your work as. being one of the the most foundational. things I think you actually called it. the most important in one one interview. yeah. I mean if if you and I were gonna make a. list of like. the things that. are most influential in our lives in how. we think about and feel about life. I would put number one asleep nothing.

changes my conscious existence. more. than a poor night sleep or a bad or. they're a good night's sleep. I agree. I've become incredibly obsessed with my. sleep some people's obsessions they. become a little bit unhealthy but mine I. think is healthy because it certainly. moved my life forward in every metrical. area that I care about. um let's go on and go in and sleep then. so what do you do. to achieve this month over month perfect.

sleep because when I saw that I thought. oh my [ __ ] god like I use whoop as. well as you can see and yeah if I can. trust your data to mine yeah you know. sometimes I'm having like 24 recovery 50. recovery if I go to a hotel room then. it's even worse I flew out here to La I. had three the first three days my sleep. was awful the fourth day it was fine. what are you doing. yeah. um yeah I'm so glad you have that shared. experience for those who do try to track. it and even those with whoop. many don't realize how hard it is.

the most important thing is I. I've built my life around sleep. now that is the exact opposite of. cultural norms where sleep is the thing. that gets pushed around. so if you want to go out with friends. delay your bedtime if you want if you. need to finish a work project or school. project if you want to hang out and. watch your new show just dropped you. want to watch a few episodes we push. sleep around from our earliest of days. like it's always the thing that can be. compromised and I made a rule that sleep.

happens every single night at the same. time no exceptions ever. I mean that must come at a cost it does. come at a cost what is the cost I mean. that cost is substantially less now. because I've made the hard decisions. and uh so it's no longer. getting there is hard but once you do. that and it's the norm it becomes much. easier you just have to make the life. changes so that's the first big one then. I did like a bunch of small things like. for example my last meal of the day is.

at 11AM. sorry well your last meal of the day is. at 11AM yes I eat between 6 a.m and 11. A.M okay and so then by the time I go to. bed at 8 30 I've got you know eight plus. hours of digestion so I sleep best on an. empty stomach now some some people don't. like that they feel pain they do much. better sleeping towards night but I ran. a few hundred experiments of a time to. eat how much to eat what kinds of foods. to eat what kind of exercise protocols. I've trialled hundreds of times and I.

found a protocol that worked for me. where when I do this and I lay down. before bed my resting heart rate is. around 45. if I get that I know I'm going to have a. new perfect night sleep if it's elevated. at a 53 or 54 because of like a few. events that could trigger to a higher I. know I'm gonna have a I'm going to. struggle to hit like deep and REM goals. and I might be a little more Restless. I'll still hit my 100 objective but it's. not going to be as the same level of. quality as if I hit something else. so I know all the little little teeny.

tiny tweaks to get this to be perfect. every night I asked you a second ago I. want to make sure I get announced to. this I said this must come at a cost. yeah what is the cost. so my bedtime is at 8 30 because that's. where the data led me. I tried 11 10 39 I tried all the. different variations since this just. worked. um so anything that happens past 8 30 I. don't participate in and so sometimes my. friends are doing things past 8 30 that. I want to do. but I don't do them so I miss out on.

certain social events now my friends. have been cool enough where they'll do. things to accommodate my time frame so. do something in the late afternoon where. I can do things with them and hang out. and have fun and still make my bedtime. and so my friends have been and family. have been great to adapt to allow me to. participate in community while still. doing this. so I've been I've been experimenting as. well I mean I can have to say to tell. you I've been experimenting feels like. I'm not going to say my experiments but. what I've I've got a bunch of hypotheses. around my sleep one of the big ones as. well as the room temperature so during.

summer in the UK because most houses in. the UK don't have air conditioning. because we don't expect the Sun so it's. a surprise yeah. um through those four weeks where we. have sunshine I don't my sleep is awful. I'm sweating in bed what would you say. about temperature and also I've got a. broken blind in the room yeah so you. know at 6am or whatever the light starts. pouring in what would you say about all. those factors I agree uh temperature. plays a significant role light does a.

sound. yeah whether you have a partner in bed. with you or not yeah I'm going to talk. about this yeah. because I actually speaking of Simon. cynic last night about this we went to. dinner and I was talking to him about. having sat with Matthew Walker and we. discussed I think Matthew Walker Donna. quote him inaccurately but he said when. there's divorce and couples break up 15. of the reason is attributed to sleep I.E. them compromising each other's sleep. what do you think about sleeping in bed. with somebody else.

it's a it's a hard topic because a lot. of people don't have the luxury of. sleeping in different rooms yeah when. somebody wants to have good sleep there. are some things they can't control like. trying to go to bed at a certain time is. something they have some control over. they need to adjust Lifestyles and. family and stuff like that. but sometimes that relationship but so. people who do have the fortunate. circumstances to be in separate rooms. it is substantially better because.

trying to negotiate with another person. their bedtime their sleep hygiene. is really difficult and wake events are. very costly once you go uh once you get. woken up and then go back to sleep is. very hard so it's just extremely. challenging when you've got to. coordinate with another human. so do you ever sleep in bed with someone. else no. what about hanky-panky. no you have no sex uh not after 8 30.

okay so you gotta do like. Morning Glory. yeah I mean so these are these are the. kinds of things like you know uh so I'm. single yeah in circumstances where I've. tried to date. the first thing I do is I give them a. list of 10 things like here's all the. things you're gonna hate about me and. it's gonna make me an impossible partner. for you. and like you know those are like it's a. big deal what is on the list. give me the list I mean so uh sleep is. one thing you know I go to bed at 8 30. uh my food regimen is another now I do.

compromise on foods like if we if we go. out with friends we'll have dinner time. then I will save up you know a certain. number of calories and I'll eat. something at the restaurant some steamed. vegetables or something like that so I. do try to be normal and also when I'm. out with people. nothing makes people feel more. uncomfortable than an empty plate and. think why what are you doing and are you. on a fast protocol are you in a juice. cleanse and so I just try to blend into. the environment like there's no. questions everyone can enjoy being. present.

though I try to do those things. um but other. yeah other things for example like my. desire to speak I I'm not a talkative. person I don't do small talk. so my son and I have a protocol at the. house where there's no exchange like. good morning how are you you know like. I'm deep in thought like my morning my I. go to bed early I wake up early and I. have these four or five hours of. concentrated thought where I can think. about these really big pictures and try. to pull myself out of my situation and.

just be as sober as possible like what. is really happening to the best of my. abilities and that's actually probe. myself to these these deep levels and I. you can get knocked off so fast just. like a little teeny interaction hey how. are you doing how was your sleep you. have to activate this mode of like I'm. gonna be a nice person I'm going to. engage with you I'm going to listen to. you and just shifting that knocks me off. and so there's with the path that I've. chosen that I really care about.

achieving these objectives. I break all these social norms. and it's offensive to a lot of people. you know that it's just not not an. acceptable situation for a lot of people. that's another instance though where. someone would say oh he's weird yeah. exactly right and when you so when I was. just saying this I absolutely am mapped. to everyone listening to this being like. that dude it was awful I would never. want to be with him oh what a boar or. like I'd imagine I can see all the. comments on social media now like dozens.

and dozens of people ripping me to be. like oh that dude and like making their. meanest comment I know that's going to. trigger it it's like throughout this. whole thing of course like people are. gonna grab what I say and they're gonna. try to just dissect me and rip me apart. for all the things I violate that they. don't want to exist. so. it's a constrained romantic relationship. we're gonna have if we're we're me and. you together Brian because he can't. speak in the morning I can't speak to. you in the morning can't really do any. hanky pancakes so I mean there's kind of.

a small window for our relationship to. exist. we're gonna have to get a lot done yeah. like three or four hours yeah we're. gonna have to have sex and then we're. gonna have to resolve all of our. problems and then I'm gonna have to. offload yeah what else is is important. there tell me about your sleep regime so. the things you do just before sleep we. know you don't eat near sleep anything. else that's really important. uh I'd say let me take them off yes go. to bed same time every night no. exceptions.

temperature controlled room and or. mattress what temperature. uh I currently am at I think 71. I go to. bed at 78 and then Fahrenheit and then I. sleep at 71 thereabouts then I come up. for REM 73. so temperature and then. sound sound yep so uh aware of. potential. sources of noise that could wake you up. so if you. um. if you're in a noisy environment of.

sirens like a big city environment or. dogs barking or something being aware. because sound will wake you up and so. you're really trying to minimize it. every time you wake up. if you need to do something to limit. what consider your ears or doing white. noise or whatever you're doing. then identifying when you eat and what. you eat for example I know from my. experience in trying new things if I. were to sometimes I would try an almond. crust.

piece of pizza like this is years ago. when I'm really trying to start figuring. stuff out that would wreck my sleep. flower of any type wrecks my sleep it. elevates my resting heart rate into the. high 50s and I know I'm going to have. about 50 percent less deep sleep. and it's all these little teeny tiny. understandings of how a particular kind. of food is going guaranteed direct my. sleep or even three ounces of red wine. anytime after noon guaranteed to. devastate my deep sleep.

and. so understanding how food intake affects. that and then I know I try to have an. hour a wind down time every night. if I go to bed if I work right up to. when I go to bed. I will ruminate all night long on that. topic and so it will feel like I never. actually go to sleep. because I'm always just in that light. sleep ruminating on this problem but. weirdly I found that if I follow my. entire protocol right before I go to bed.

now I'll assign my brain a problem every. night before I go to bed and I now have. my very best thoughts in life in my. sleep. my brain figures things out much more. efficiently in my sleep than I do when. I'm awake the now's become an asset to. me uh versus before it was just a. terrible experience. and if if I you know I I if I can I. sometimes I gotta be honest sometimes I. have snacks before bed you know. which we're amongst friends here I can. be honest sometimes you know you know.

sometimes it just gets about because I. feel that because I work quite late into. the night and then I get to 9 or 10 p.m. and I'll be sat there thinking I've not. eaten yet and I've got this pain in my. stomach so getting just going to bed on. with the pain in my stomach feels quite. difficult so I'll just you know. order something on one of these little. apps yeah yeah don't tell anybody. because you know um but they're not and. then I eat it and you're right 10. seconds it feels great and then after. that I feel I feel like crap yeah you. have to pay the price the whole next day.

is there anything that I you you can eat. later in the day or you can eat at. dinner time that has a smaller negative. adverse consequence in your sleep is it. just like vegetables and stuff. vegetables are fine vegetables and this. is for me I need to clarify what I do is. for me other people thrive on other. things so this is just a data point. people can use in their mind that you. fine-tune all these different things but. I think the data is interesting I've. never seen anyone with a four month. streak of perfect sleep I'm in the 98. 99.6 percentile of recovery too so it's.

not just my sleep quality which people. often say oh you can just gain that not. a big deal people who know really know. that's not true but then also optimizing. if you're HIV and your your uh. respiration rate my recovery is also. 99.6 percentile so I'm hitting. all the markers on the highest quality. possible performance in sleep and my. body's recovering at the maximum. capacity and so it's good data that I'm. not just making stuff up the data shows. I'm potentially best in world on this.

measurement profile. or among so it's interesting that it's a. reasonable way for someone to. contemplate what they might do in their. life do you think there's anyone better. in the world that's sleeping than you. probably there's there's probably some. people may I I wonder if all the years. of ruining myself. if it has a carryover effect like I just. can't make up entirely for all the. things I did I wonder if that's the case. and I wonder if people who haven't done. that naturally sleep better than me and.

that I have to try extra hard now. because I'm compensating for all the. damage I did to myself I don't know. for those in my certain circumstances I. don't think anyone tries harder to sleep. than me. hey John V you mentioned that why is. that important and what did it what what. is it yeah it's a heart rate variability. and it's a representation of your. nervous system there's two parts your. parasynthetic nervous system and your uh. it's like your autonomic number system. and you're trying to basically.

tether between being chill. and being in fight or flight and so when. you're stressed. your body's like all right like we're. ramped up we've called all the resources. to do this job but you can't be in that. high State Long you need to be in a. relaxed State as well so you're trying. to bring the parasynthetic nervous. system on in time and to relax the. sympathetic nervous system and so the. HIV is representation of are you chill. or are you stressed having a high HRV is.

better than having a low HRV I worked. very hard at it it's been one of the. hardest markers we've had to move I I. had a meaningful increase in my HRV over. the past 500 Days. I was I started I was believing the ER. like the mid-30s range and I'm now up in. the low 60s on average. so uh good gains but still not anywhere. close where I want to be uh I thought. where I thought we'd be at this point. it's been really really hard to move and.

you hate heart rate ver variability. right yes is that what it's called and. what is that as in it's the gaps between. your heartbeats or something exactly yes. the interval between yeah so it measures. the interval between your heart beats. and how much that varies or. that's right okay so you want High you. want. so if my heart rate variability is like. 120. I think great it's definitely above 100. depending on you know when I've done. that I'm jealous well yeah that's maybe.

that's one thing I can teach you about. but but what is that 120 what I've. always wondered I see it and I know that. that's better oh milliseconds yeah. so 120 milliseconds variance between the. heartbeats. and there's a whole bunch of ways if you. get into the actual math you can measure. them you can actually do this. calculation a number of different ways. it gets really Technical and. sophisticated. but the general understanding is you. want a higher number you want a bigger. number you do you do some things before. bedtime to improve your heart rate.

variability. uh I do I've tried several devices I've. used sense8 which is a vibrational thing. in the chest I've used pulsetto which is. a vibration on the vagus nerve here I've. used neural stim which is on the left. tragus. uh here anything any of them work. a little bit here and there none sustain. I mean I given the amount of effort I. put into my health and wellness I sh I. would like to think I'd be over a. hundred in my HRV.

can't it doesn't move it's just a really. hard marker I wonder. if all the decades where I was depressed. out of my mind and really stressed out. of everything if I just ruined myself to. degrees that are hard to come back from. so we've been trying to find something. more advanced that would do something. outside of diet and exercise and routine. and sleep we haven't found it yet it's. crazy that one of the most pivotal. moments in my life was when I put my. whoop on and the founder told me about.

this how important that HRV marker is. how much of an indicator it is of. overall health you know cracking with my. life had a glass of wine one day I wake. up the next morning yeah and it's. flashing red and I click on it and it's. like did you have some alcohol last. night and I'm thinking oh my God yeah. like genuinely that moment was was when. I realized that these choices I make. however small I think they might be. especially with alcohol have my heart. notices.

and it's saying to me you're either it. said you're either stressed you're. either sick or you had some alcohol last. night yeah I thought I don't like those. three things being in a category. together alcohol. what'd you think of it. I used to drink three ounces every. morning with breakfast. you used to drink three three ounces of. alcohol every morning with breakfast. I enjoyed drinking alcohol I enjoyed. drinking the wine for breakfast for. breakfast because I had to create the. longest time period between my sleep to. avoid it negatively affecting my sleep.

okay but then I got rid of it because it. was too expensive from a caloric. perspective it was 72 calories for the. three ounces and I couldn't fit it in. with my calorie budget. so what do you think of it in terms of. um in terms of longevity. I think the science says in moderation. is fine. I just I don't Rick it at all ever. anymore. and you've only really been been. following this protocol for a couple of. years now right yeah I mean my I guess I.

I really do understand myself. as. on a singular mission. for intelligent existence to thrive. that is what I am that is what I'm doing. that's what I'm pursuing. nothing else matters to me the question. the ultimate question I think. in you know you just had all these. people are going to say I'm weird or. whatever else there's this ultimate. question because you're very very.

clearly Mission driven. and there's always a cost much of what I. do here when I meet Extraordinary People. is to understand the cost in fact the. reason I start this podcast is because. we we let's call the diver CEO is. because we see the CEO stuff but we. don't see the diary that's why it's. called what it is and it started as me. just showing my diary and I shed. everything from masturbation my mental. struggles everything my issues with my. family I shared it all to to put the. cost out there to the world. cost of my mission my calling my Pursuit. the thing that was dragging me.

um. the ultimate question becomes. are you happy. never more so in my entire life. unquestionably. and what does that mean. I've never felt more fulfilled I've. never felt more stable I've never felt a. more expansive Consciousness I've never. felt more free I've never felt more bold. I've never in my entire life.

been this alive. and you you experienced the antithesis. of Happiness right you experienced I. mean maybe some people would argue that. it's something else but you experience. the bottom of. the crevice of depression you know what. that felt like. the voices in your head that were. telling you to do things the unthinkable. actions of. suicide. what goes on in your head now what are. the same voices saying.

it's all play I'm. I've never had more fun. most of my life has just been a grind. it's like doing the things to achieve. the objective because that's what the. societal role play says to do. and that what I'm doing now I'm not. doing this for anyone's expectations I'm. not doing this to achieve anyone's. acceptance. this is the game I've selected to play I.

don't care what anyone says about it. sincerely. I just feel free. when was your last Dark Day. it was about something I can't yet talk. about. I wish I could. I will be able to soon. I respect that yeah yeah but I guess. it's uh it's like Mike my answer is a. genuine. uh in time this will be a good story.

but outside of that yeah what are the. things that oh and are there things that. get you down yeah I I was um recently I. was uh pretty bothered. the the hate that comes my way is. energizing to me it's thrilling. uh. when my father did something with me. publicly with this plasma transfusions. the internet kind of had their way with.

him you know making fun of him and. saying rude things and mean things that. really got to me. you're like hurl up my way cool but I my. father was courageous enough to do this. thing publicly and put himself out there. and he just got torn to shreds. and it it made me feel very sad and. ashamed of humanity. like my my seven-year-old dad you know.

like he's not picking a fight with. somebody you know. so much. I don't know. I guess maybe I've always felt like a. protector of my dad maybe. why. uh it's just kind of how our roles. developed I suppose.

you know when when he was in a state of. need I was in a stage of ability to give. started off When We Were Young when I. was young. you talked about plasma. I I saw the image on your Instagram when. I was waiting for you in there I was. going through your Instagram and looking. at all the captions on your posts and. stuff and looking and there was that. photo of you your son who looks very. much like you by the way and your father. beautiful photo of you all of you. wearing vests. and this was one of the the sort of.

experiments you did you had a hypothesis. the hypothesis was. yeah yeah. we as a team we have uh scoured every. scientific study ever done on longevity. and lifespan and we've ranked. prioritized all of them and we filtered. out like which one your animal models. human models and we try to decide which. thing to do and why and plasma exchanges. surfaced as a potential option and. people were doing it for cognitive. decline so it came up where I was.

talking to my dad and he said hey Brian. I need I want you to know something that. when you begin experiencing cognitive. decline which I have you don't know. said I always thought that if I'm. starting to lose my mind I'm going to. pick it up be like Oh I'm not as sharp. as I used to be but you don't know it's. invisible to you which makes sense and. so he said I've been on blueprint for a. couple months it's come back so I'm. aware of how fast I was losing my mental. acuity I'm back so in that conversation. I said dad you know I've been looking at. these plasma exchanges and there's some.

interesting studies going on right now. with column decline Alzheimer's and. things like that that are showing. interesting results how the science is. still emergent we're not sure it's going. to work but if you're interested in. doing this I'd be more than happy to. donate my plasma to you that's how it. happened and so then I tell myself is oh. yes we have blood in our body and plasma. so you take the Blood Out We're Half. Blood half plasma if you take blood out. you spin it up it separates into yellow. stuff which is plasma and then red stuff. which is blood and so they're just.

different things in the platform so it's. basically taking plasma of the body and. so I gave my father a leader of my. plasma but I was talking to my about. this to my son like hey I may give up a. liter of positive to my dad and so my. son is like cool can I be involved it's. like all right so is that this really. organic thing around my father and so it. was uh a lot of people learned about. this and then they they immediately. imagine like I'm in a dungeon drinking. my son's blood and I'm like harvesting.

his organs and the reality was it was a. very is a Whimsical fun. you know heartwarming thing that our. family was was discussing and so we did. it and there was some some sort of. efficacy shown in mice or something. wasn't there yeah yeah there's so this. the evidence is like not bad it's not. terribly persuasive it's emergent so. it's not like we were going in there and. realized thinking that we had a slam. dunk it was like it's interesting it's. safe so let's give it a shot and it. didn't really work so you've on me on.

you yeah which makes sense I mean so I'm. chronologically 45. many of my. phenotypic markers are in their 20s. right of course so my donor was 19 and. so it makes sense the age differential. given I'm so tuned it would make sense. that you would see a big change but for. my father maybe because there's a much. bigger difference between his health. status and my status and a different age. range too did was there a difference in. your father or did you not measure uh. we're still waiting for the results oh.

okay yeah his subjective reporting was. that he felt uh phenomenal but we really. want to see the data and you also need. to probably do more of these right one. is is not enough you probably do it. successively so it was it ended up being. even though we approached it as my. father's cognitive decline and we were. looking at it through a medical. perspective it ended up being a family. bonding experience where we my father. left the church when I was young he was. ostracized I left a church I was. ostracized by my children and their. family so in my estimation it was we.

were divided by the Mind United by. biology this goes back to blueprint. which is. are there control systems that help us. cooperate. not the Mind our mind we want to create. tribes we want to fight with each other. and we want to find good and evil and. all that sort of thing biology doesn't I. mean biology maybe is a different. control system. and so we were just trying to optimize. health and so you go back to that system. what are the control systems running. Humanity running our families running. you and me running Society I thought it.

was beautiful because it was an. experience my father and son and I never. imagined we'd have in our entire lives. and it ended up being a spectacular. experience with the family that we. really appreciated as you were speaking. I was thinking about something I've just. written in the book that I've been. writing. um one of the pages is when I discovered. my father's cigarettes and it was this. like earth-shattering moment in my life. because I was suddenly haunted by this. feeling that my father was going to die. yeah. you know because as a kid you know. cigarettes are bad everyone tells you. that and then when you find out your.

father is smoking them when I was like. 14 years old it was this kind of crisis. in me that my father's gonna die. um. and I was I was thinking about what your. father went through and how that might. have introduced the concept of death to. you at a young age then I was also. observing how much he means to you and. every word you say about him and your. protectiveness over him and I was. wondering if there's some kind of Link. there um how did you reconcile with it. trying to get him to stop smoking yeah. yeah there you go at all costs what'd. you do.

I think I cried about it a few times but. I think I just made him feel bad about. it right yeah maybe that's like the best. tool you can use when you're 14. what about you. uh I'd write him letters really yeah. every week I'd write him a letter tell. him tell him how much he means to me. um I'm thinking about him. yeah. in the hope that. that he. it would give him the power he needed to. overcome his addiction.

did you think about his him dying at. that age did had the concept of death. crossed your mind I just wanted a dad. yeah I wanted. I wanted him to be a part of my life. that explains why being a dad might say. much to you now probably yeah. yeah um I I noticed there's something on. the chair over there. um and I'm I'm actually starving it's. it's uh just gone for a clock and I.

haven't eaten today but you were very. kind in bringing me some food so I want. to talk about I want to talk about food. um Jack could you bring me the food. please. and you can tell me what you've brought. me to eat presumably this is what you. eat that's right good. thank you. okay so you've you've brought me a meal. today I did just for anyone that's. looking I'll try and tilt it up so. people can see. um if anyone's watching on YouTube or. Spotify where you can get the video you. can see what's in these bowls and you've.

bought me two little buckets of pills. yeah. and there's the drink here what is what. is this food. this is this is the answer if you ask. the body. what do you want to eat to be an ideal. Health this is the answer that it. generated. so this is not to say that is the only. food you could eat it is a version where. you could eat and so the my daily. caloric intake is uh 2 250 calories a.

day every calorie has to fight for its. life there's not a single calorie in my. entire life protocol that exists for any. reason other than serving an objective. in the body so dish number one is called. super veggie it's broccoli cauliflower. black lentils garlic ginger hemp seeds. and over a month if you if you were to. do this with me you would eat around 70. pounds of vegetables per month. 70 pounds of vegetables per month.

wow. wow I think we also have in their extra. virgin olive oil and chocolate. yeah I can taste like cacao like dark. chocolate. so we I pair the chocolate in here it's. an unexpected pairing. the way we think about this is. you could say chocolate is good for you. which might lead you to eat a Snickers. bar the more precise way of thinking. about it is you want dark chocolate. untouched tests for heavy metals and has.

a high polyphenol count. if you don't do all five layers to. qualify the value of the chocolate you. have an inferior chocolate and. nutritional value for your body so. everything we do at blueprint uses that. frame of reference of. understanding everything a full stack. way of how do you serve the body's. objectives in the maximal way that is. a mushroom covered in chocolate. how fun.

so interesting. yeah those oh those are mataki mushrooms. mataki mushrooms this is a normal. broccoli isn't it that's right. you didn't put anything on it no no salt. I use potassium chloride new salt. and we've got some broccoli in there so. is that is that that dish explained. that's explained okay and then this is. looks like dessert to me nutty pudding. it is many people consider it to be a. dessert it's. macadamia nuts one that's flaxseed. sunflower relation. pomegranate juice berries and pea.

protein. and is this the entire meal you'd have. in one day there's one more dish which. we don't have which varies day to day. okay. but this is really it I have three. tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil. ones in here and I have an avocado and a. third meal a day and this drink here. that you've given me make sure you stir. that up okay that's the Green Giant so. the way that it works is I'll wake up in. the morning first thing I'll do is drink. the Green Giant take 60 pills work out. for an hour then eat super veggie wait.

for an hour eat nutty pudding wait for. one more hour and eat my third meal of. the day and then I'm finished for the. day. how many pills will you take in one day. currently 111. wow. and you take 60 of them in the morning. that's right. wow. wow that's an interesting taste I gotta. say it doesn't taste amazing you know. it's not like something I'd I'd find in. a like a juice bar or something there's. a little bit of a aftertaste to it. that's not not fantastic and um I mean I.

like vegetables so I like most of this. stuff the chocolate I think. is a bit of a spanner in the works. because it's not like a chocolate that. you'd get it's not milk chocolate or a. mask that's right right it's um a very. very dark bitter taste. which is a strange thing to add to a. mushroom yeah you could also put the. dark chocolate in the Nutty pudding or. you can have it independently I find. it's fun because it's a new experience. for people to try so it's really an. optional thing oh this is nice. this nasty pudding is really nice.

that's really nice. that's really really nice um so what are. your principles for eating then Clark. you talked about. um calorific restriction. how important is that because I'm I a. lot and I don't count I just. see yeah and I'm like you know am I. heaviest I'm 15 Stone fives which is. what about 100 kilograms or something so. I'm quite heavy. and I eat and I go to the gym every day. but I eat a lot I'm kind of out of. control.

it has compelling evidence the caloric. restriction has compelling evidence that. it's one of the most effective longevity. interventions that can be done. and what are your sort of why do. nutritional principles that people can. very easily introduce into their lives. uh it's I have this exp I have this. experience where I learned how to fly an. airplane I became a pilot and we get up. at altitude and I would use my hands and. try to fly the airplane and I'd go left. right up down I try to be perfectly on. the attitude indicator of maintaining.

exactly the altitude which I was pegged. at and the direction. and then I would engage autopilot and it. would this plane would just sit up. straight and it would be perfectly. pegged it was so far superior to my. ability to do it and that's kind of how. I think about my diet is if I use my. mind I kind of ping pong around life. eating this and that like I hear this. thing that there and I hear this thing. there and I kind of do whatever's. available to me if you think about. putting your body on autopilot I call it. my autonomous self. Let the Body report out evidence. algorithm in and it just runs this is.

the result this is autopilot for my body. and so every single thing we do is. tracked in the body every pill has to. justify its existence if it can't be. measured and Quantified we don't do it. and so it's a system a closed loop. system that has an algorithm running me. which is so far superior to my mind. which is going to do it's going to add. the cookie to the order it's going to. eat blank because of whatever. I'm presuming you're not going to take. these backs. to this.

[Laughter]. those are all the pills you take in one. day that's right 100 120 odd pills in a. day almost yeah 111 yeah that big one. right there. you can see that guy right there this. one here yeah Jesus Lord Jesus. what is in these pearls. a lot of things you would expect Basics. like vitamin D and C uh more advanced. things like alpha ketoglutarate or. metformin or carbos or other things like.

that it spans from basic and common to. some more advanced. drugs a lot of my friends when they when. I well one of my friends in particular. when he knew that I was speaking to you. he asked me about NAD Plus. that's obviously something that's become. quite popular in the longevity culture. what's your perspective on NAD plus yeah. he's trying to modulate those levels in. his body and there's nice age graphs so. people to enter this into an. understandable frame people uh it's not.

commonly understood what a biological. age is versus a chronological age. somebody can be chronologically I'm 45. but I can biologically be different I. could be either 30 or 35 or 55 or 70. according to the markers so in levels of. NAD intracellular NAD in particular. there are certain levels that would Peg. you at age 18 age 30 age 50 because they. reliably go down with age and so when. you supplement to try to change these. you're trying to Peg yourself to a more. useful State because it's a energy the. body runs on and so what I did is I. could people in the longevity Community.

do have a lot of questions about how you. increase your intracellular entity. levels and there's a big debate you do. NR or nmn I think there's been this big. debate and everyone's always wants to. fight about it and so I trialed both I. did 90 days on NR I did 90 days on nmn. and I measured my intracellular blood. levels throughout and I showed both were. basically effective in doing the. objective so I was able to Peg my. intercellular entity at the 18 year old. mark on both supplements oh wow so it.

basically doesn't matter just get it. measured and just titrate your dose to. make sure you're getting what you need. nice and I want to I really want to make. sure because I feel like you're if I'm. never gonna you know meet someone who I. feel like is so well versed in. how the things I put in my mouth have an. impact on my biological age. um so what advice would you give to me. about say that you could I'm a blank. canvas and I'm gonna I'm gonna believe. everything you say my objective is to. increase my health span and to not age.

poorly yeah what would you say about the. things that I put in my mouth give me. some rules. do exactly what I've published okay I'm. gonna make it dead simple for you. I say tongue-in-cheek the blueprint is. the best health protocol. ever developed. prove me wrong with your data. if someone has a better if someone can. achieve better biomarkers with their. protocol it's going to be amazing for me. and everyone else because now we have a. comparison but right now the tricky. thing for someone like yourself is if.

you go out into the world and you try to. figure this out you've got to sort. through 100 gurus yeah everyone's saying. a different thing and even now if you. give five anti-aging experts the same. scientific papers and ask them to. develop a protocol for you you'll get a. different protocol from every single one. they're not going to agree there's no. way to go out there and get consensus in. the world so you need to pick a path and. then measure and I've done exactly that. so I've basically tried to punch through. all the noise and say is there actually. something I can do which has some.

believability that's what I've done so. I've published all my data and so. blueprint provides people a starter a. starting point to say I'm going to do. something that I can see works I'm going. to measure myself then iterate and. improve upon it so health and wellness. is all like a religion where the King. James version the Bible supports 100. different denominations they all say. their gods one and true only same with. health and wellness everyone claims. they're God's true health and wellness. program and I've tried to punch the. whole thing to say it doesn't matter. what Guru status is share the data. eat in the mornings.

uh if you if I was a blank canvas I'd. say trial I'd say follow my protocol. exactly see how you feel and then try. and experiment what you do later in the. day and then compare the two. sugar. zero. zero sugar zero sugar why. it does nothing useful for your body now. like our body needs sugar to run so if. you eat sugar in berries which you're. having now that's great but uh Pros uh.

highly processed white sugar cane sugar. there's no value for your body. there's other things of much higher. value for your body. God it's hard to exist in this world. without sugar isn't it. do you do anything with your. testosterone levels yeah I do a. testosterone patch I supplement with a. patch I assist I supplement because a. monocle or restriction diet and when you. do that your testosterone naturally goes. down so I keep my testosterone pegged in. the normal range between six and eight. hundred I'm about 850 right now so it's. I'm not trying to get above it I'm just.

trying to be normal. one of the reasons why I said to you. before you when you sat down that men of. my age start thinking about longevity is. we notice that our hairlines have. started to recede yeah I mean getting. the third with a receding hairline is. actually quite good so when my friends. started a little bit earlier and then we. start noticing these gray hairs in our. in our heads you have fantastic hair and. in fact a lot of the comments I saw were. what's he doing with his hair there was. one particular comment I was like. someone asked him this was on online. someone asked him how he's got that hair.

what advice would you give to me listen. I'm at that age now where I've got to. make a decision do I let this thing go. back yeah or do I fight it. don't do it yeah fight fight with. everything you've got in you really yeah. trust me on this I will trust me um. you don't want to clean up. of uh you don't want to clean up aging. damage that you can prevent right now. and I can prevent my hell on receding. yes how. I I started losing my hair in my early.

30s yeah. and it's been a grind to try to keep it. and so my hair protocol here's what I do. I have a. a custom. formulation that we've built it. basically has monoxidil and a few other. things so people can get that easily I. have a red light therapy cap I wear. every morning for six minutes in my. morning routine. I do uh prf so I inject I get blood. drawn spun up and then re-injected into.

my scalp once every maybe a month or. three. and then. I take a few supplements that are listed. online for the blueprint website so. basically like four things. helps prevent hair loss. and incur encourages hair growth. I don't know if I'm going to be able to. do all of that and walk with my dog so. I'm like is there is there like a silver. bullet like that I could so here's how. it works is um. I know it sounds overwhelming. if you build habits that just make these.

things you don't think about it it. sounds overwhelming in the beginning but. if you just get into a routine where. every morning you do your thing and when. you're doing that thing you just throw a. cap on your head and it just is on for. six minutes. and then at night before you go to bed. you put a little uh liquid on your scalp. and you rub it in and then you take a. few pills every day with your routine. it's entirely about Building Systems so. you don't think about it ever.

so it's never burden on you. my friends are taking different. approaches to keeping their hairline and. the side effects are the reason the. proposed side effects are the reasons. why I've always been scared to do it. one of the clear side effects that. people talk about is loss of libido. I haven't had that so we do the dosage. so if they're taking finasteride. which is an oral uh then it does have. sexual side effects. but we I have not yet. encountered any intervention that has.

compromised my libido. anywhere anything we're doing how do you. measure your libido or is that just kind. of anecdotal yeah I mean so I this. historically became known about. measuring nighttime erections so I. didn't know I was talking to a reporter. about this and he had just done an. article on blueprint and he read it and. he came back he's like hey my editors. are asking about penis health and I was. like funny you ask. I gotta tell you something so I just. bought this high frequency. electromagnetic stimulation device.

working on basically I sit on this. little thing. it stimulates my pelvic floor and I was. trying to strengthen my bladder so I. wouldn't get to go to bed at night. it had this side effect of every time I. woke up I was erect and I was like this. this is like what happened to me when I. was 10. you know like when you're 10. years old you're always erect um and I. was like I have an experienced that for. quite some time I'm always erect and so. I was telling him about this thing and. then I didn't realize it was going into. the article. and so then it came out I was like oh no.

so like this this guy then it's like. this dude is so weird yeah he like. measures his nighttime erections and he. drinks his son's blood and he and it. starts started stacking and people are. like. this guy's nuts yeah and so it just. creates this this pattern where people. are like yeah yeah he's just out there. one of the things that's really. distinctive about you is you have the. best posture of any guest that's ever. sat here ever like to the point where I. was like slumped and I looked at. everything I was like [ __ ] that must be.

a reason why he sat like that so I I. corrected my posture but I keep sliding. back down why does that matter to you. posture I wish somebody would have. taught me this when I was a kid it. matters a lot with blood flow I found. out because I have these internal. jugular veins which blood from your. brain brain flows out and I was born. with narrow jugular veins and so when I. have bad posture like this. it stops the blood flow and it builds up. my brain what causes intracranial. pressure which is bad for your brain I. didn't realize I had that until I found.

him a normal MRI scan we found that I. had some bad things happening in my. brain like why is that happening and we. found these internal jugular veins so. then it focused me on posture of how do. you how do I actually situate myself to. have the proper flow from my brain down. into my body and it became a whole thing. and so we started doing a bunch of. measurements trying to look at my. intracranial pressure looking at my. white matter hypertensities my brain. like basically how bad is it and it was. bad my team kind of went on red alert. for three months am I gonna have a. stroke am I gonna have a seizure we're.

trying to figure this out and so one of. the ways we fixed this or we've made. positive progress where my symptoms have. lessened is this posture so I became. obsessed with posture to avoid having. some catastrophic event with my brain. and it's been useful and helpful and so. I just got into posture and I learned. how to do it but it was really hard I I. never realized how many muscles have to. be strong to have good posture I'd wake. up in the morning I could barely move I. was like oh my God everything hurts did. you think there's a correlation between.

our health outcomes and our posture. um. the gentleman I work with on this. thing strongly thinks that there's not. evidence yet but he thinks that. it's a significant influence on it yeah. quick one if you've been listening to. this podcast for some time one of the. recurring messages you've heard over and. over and over again especially when we. first had that conversation with Tim. Spector is about the importance of. Greens in our diet and a while ago I.

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DM. it was quite surprising to see that. you've. connected AI to the work that you're. doing the fourth principle you said. about. um. not underestimating the necessity to. align with AI. why why does AI come into this. uh to me it's it's helpful to think. about. these kinds of questions by doing a. thought experiment and time traveling to. the 21st century.

imagine whatever whatever form of. intelligence exists in the 21st century. they're observing the early 21st century. what Clarity of insight do they have. looking back at us that we can't see. right now. that helps me spin up certain frames of. mind. and it could be. that there was this revolution in the. human race where we said don't die. and then two is the only thing we have. to do to figure that out is to figure. out cooperation on how not to die.

now when you say that you have to figure. out how to get every single agent of. intelligence. on Earth and maybe Beyond to cooperate. cool so far kind of okay thanks for. checking. so so we want the 25th Century AI to. look back and see that one of the. principles of our Humanity was do not. die in the hope that it won't kill us.

okay yeah so let me start building this. up so the first take me as a first. example I'm 35 trillion cells. how do I figure out how to not die I go. through this process to build an. algorithm that maximizes existence. we do this between you and me. where we have a cooperation now with not. figuring out how you and I cooperate and. we don't die. we have the same kind of thing with. planet Earth. so for example in my scenario we say can.

the organs talk. and can they run me and they can they. keep my Rascal brain at Bay so it. doesn't ruin the show. could the oceans run planet Earth. we plug into the oceans with measurement. and we say you run the biosphere. kind of a weird idea but not outlandish. now you have to basically think about. the Earth speaks our bodies speak we.

speak with each other now you have. trillions of artificial uh intelligent. agents. around. all agents of intelligence have to. cooperate. if any one of these agents or any group. of them. violates the cooperation it could be the. end of you or me or the planet or. everyone. we have to figure out coexistence. in this huge tapestry of goal alignment.

it's currently framed of AI Engineers. need to figure out how to stop AI from. killing everyone. that's part of the problem. but it's not the entire problem. so that's the only objective you have as. a species like there's nothing else that. matters right now. it's don't die. from every Vector of potential. death and you think by bias doing that. on our level and then at a earth Earthly. level that this will just want to make.

sure I'm clear that this will somehow. feed into the artificial intelligence at. all will all will create artificial. intelligence with one of its principles. at its core to be cooperative yeah I. mean so that you take the AI problem and. it's so high level you would say. we don't want AI. to be misaligned with human calls yeah. what are human goals. okay. and then you start breaking yourself. apart me apart and we realize we are a.

disaster set of goals yeah we want. everything all the time and always. contradicts we don't have a land goal. and this is what I was trying to align. with myself. can I answer that question and say I. have a singular goal. to exist. now if I'm aligning with AI. and if my singular goal is to get to. zero. self violence right maximum life. existence ability I now have a starting.

point to talk to with a talk to AI about. all of us do and if we say Earth. it's maximum sustainability this planet. we're on. we have a starting point for discussion. but it has to begin with existence and. we have to overcome the biggest. psychological barrier in our current. culture which is we perceive inevitable. death. as therefore anything that happens like. whatever we don't care. and so we have to overcome and this is.

why I've been playfully challenging the. status and authority of Jesus Christ. I made a joke that that Jesus fed wine. and bread accelerating aging. and uh inebriating and I will feed. nutrients that will nourish and create. life. that. why is Jesus the continued. representation of a philosophical group. of a billion plus people. why can't someone challenge a status an.

authority and say no it's not the. resurrection it's not the afterlife it's. this life it's don't die. you're not a martyr for some higher. objective of some rules to be completed. it's this is the boundary conditions. that people create they say this is a. philosophical thing it's sacred you. can't talk about it you can't challenge. it. why not I sat here with um one of the. founders of Mustafa one of the founders. of deepmind and we were trying to find. solutions to this issue of AI and.

containment and I want to make sure I'm. clear that you're saying if we change. our goals on a human level from being. less self-destructive and more focused. on do not die in our existence then we. have something that we can align with. Aion which will preserve our existence. as well but we can't align with AI. because currently we're self-destructive. so for an AI to align with us it would. be self-destructive as well exactly and. if you peel back these layers now this. conversation is if you if we actually. got into the technical details it'd be. much more nuanced I'm going to make an. oversimplification of a statement thank. you.

humans have this broad set of goals it's. to make money is to acquire powers to. have influence to change the world they. want and that's when you when you talk. about containment you talk about. corporations governments individuals. ideological groups everyone's gunning. for their own thing. and this is why I took myself as example. if I look at me as the same structure of. the world I've got evening Brian morning. Brian ambition Brian entrepreneur Brian. lover Brian.

all these different versions of me want. different things at different times and. they're all competing to achieve their. objective and I understand these. different versions of me I had to. basically say hey everybody like we've. got a really big problem we're all. fighting each other after these. different things and Meanwhile we're. accelerating death. and I had to basically say we're gonna. compress the space and we're going to. acknowledge I. as a My Mind cannot Act.

in my best interest. and so what I'm really saying in the. most extreme version. I'm saying Humanity if we want to exist. has to contemplate. handing over the reins of control. to algorithms. we cannot act in our best interest. individually. collectively corporations nation states. we can't do it we need new control. systems of power.

that acts in our long-term interests. we're playing an existential game right. now with existence. we started playing that in the 60s with. nukes. and we're now playing it with AI we're. playing it with our biosphere. potentially being. an unsustainable place for us the Earth. is gonna be fine not fine for us we're. playing. Russian roulette with our with our. existence so are we lethargic as a as a. species yeah we all think we're gonna. die anyways and this is why if we.

flipped it and it's like maybe not and. maybe we're walking into the most. extraordinary existence any form of. intelligence has ever had in the galaxy. we may get our act together and say you. know what let's think through this thing. from these basic principles like real. easy let's not die we don't want to ruin. this chance we have to exist in this. amazing future a rebuttal you must have. had is that in the pursuit of not dying. I don't want to not live. do you see what I'm saying there because.

when when I think about the the. sacrifices I would have to make to my. life to not die in the same way that. you've reversed your age I think well. then there's no point because I'm not. going to get to live. and I want you to discrete that as like. a rebuttal how would you respond to. someone that thinks that because I. imagine a lot of people have heard the. the protocol the blue they heard about. the blueprint and they're thinking well. you know and I actually saw it I think I. saw it on Rogan or something where the. guy was saying like. you know I'd rather just die at 90 but. having lived a fun life or whatever.

who cares what your mind thinks. why is your mind the unquestioned. authority that gets to to say and do. whatever it wants why does your body not. get a say in this Why can't your heart. speak in your lungs why do you as a. tyrant. Rule and reign with Terror on yourself. this is the thing this is the.

unthinkable. most offensive Revolution that could. happen as a species. our entire existence we've assumed our. mind is the ultimate Authority on all. things. even this conversation nothing gets. passed your mind as having an authority. what if our minds what if it didn't. matter what our minds thought. what if they were not the authority what. if there are other authorities there. and why do we even trust your mind to be.

the thing that can decide on your best. interest. is that where you are in your life. you've removed the authority from your. mind yes so when you talked about your. being upset and I could see the the. emotion in you when people were. attacking your father is that not giving. you a mind Authority. uh. I don't feel like I have control of. those things there it's an emotional. response. that I based on thoughts yeah based upon.

a reaction that I have this this. relationship with my father and so the. it's complicated right in terms of like. the thing I've isolated with blueprint. is. can I take my self-violence to zero. you know there's another layer of like. how do I feel about my father and what. is that relationship different. complexities this whole thing is. incredibly complex but the the simplest. thing to do is can I do this within the. control systems that I have can I take. my life to zero violence and if I can do. it as a 35 trillion cell organization.

can we use this little teeny example and. map it to a species and say can we take. this multi-trillion agent intelligent. agent uh computational problem can we. solve this cooperation problem for. everyone can we are you optimistic Brian. and I want the honest answer here. because you know people often have grand. plans but the most important question is. do you think it's possible yes you think. it's possible unquestionably do you. think it will happen I do I do and. here's why I think that. if it were just the human mind.

in play right now. I would not. have I would not feel bullish I would be. pretty forlorned I'd probably give up. in. humans are no longer Alpha on this. planet and whether you realize that. whether someone realizes that or not. there's a new Alpha on this planet and. it's artificial intelligence. when we're going back to this. conversation of the biographies.

this is inevitable. artificial intelligence will run us. it will run this planet. and it will run. all. forms of cooperation it's inevitable. and we're going to be superseded in our. intelligence. on a time scale that is. surprising to us we think we have. potentially more time than we do I don't. think we do and that's why blueprint to. me is so urgent.

is. of the Urgent problems we're looking at. of how do you how do you get Society to. not kill each other with nukes how do. you get. um AI to not kill us how do you get us. to not divide die individually how do. you avoid the Earth's environment uh. biosphere from collapsing and not. supporting our existence here anymore. like how do you stop existential threats. and the thought processes people have. been spinning up is we need legislation. we need new laws we are going to protest.

we're going to make a big thing and what. I've tried to say is I'm going to. actually do the thing no one else is. doing I'm going to point itself. I'm going to say Can I. solve all of these problems. Within Me. can I solve climate change within me can. I solve AI alignment within me can I. solve cooperation within me and that's. what I've been trying to do is a n of. one example of how to solve a. complicated system now. blueprint is like an analog version like.

it's first version right it's like it's. but philosophically. it's an interesting model. how do you take a complicated system. intelligence like me with all these. different versions was proneness for. self-destruction I mean like if you say. what are the risks of AI like AI uh you. list like all the things AI does that. scare us. that is exactly the same list that I'm. scared of for myself and that you're. doing to the 35 million cells yeah like. I am Ai and I am my own my own worst. risk. like it's just the risk profile is the.

same I'm runaway intelligence. doing things that is causing. self-destruction. and that's what AI will do if it's. allowed to run away. so that's the thing it's so funny if we. look at Ai and we and we're scared of it. we just look in the mirror it's the same. thing it's the same risk profile. intelligence is. self-destructive if. uncontrolled or so how do you build. intelligence that's actually sustainable.

how do you build so it's not. self-destructive how long do you think. we've gone you said we've got less time. than we think. I don't know why we wouldn't spin on a. dime right now. and look at every existential threat and. go after it. right now like why wait one more day and. why even up why even try to calculate. the absolute last moment we can do. something before everything becomes. catastrophic we don't know the second. and third and fourth order consequences. of the the BIOS that are changing we. don't know when AI is going to emerge.

and what level we don't know what. systems are going to do we don't know. like there you can't model it you can't. predict it so creating time frames is. ridiculous. you're emotional about this. I want to exist. I really don't want to die again it's. like it's really fun to exist. and I don't know what death is like but. I've had moments in my life where I get. these small glimpses into this expansive. of consciousness.

and it could be the case that we are. Homo erectus that we are we are so. primitive it's just unimaginable and. that if we can step into this future. we could have this expanse of. Consciousness that is mind-bending like. so far. out like so far beyond our imaginations. we just can't even comprehend it. like we could be right there on that. cusp to me it seems like we are like why. why would anything any other imagination. be practical to assume right now if. super intelligence is in the game here.

and we're within that that mesh of. intelligence. why couldn't we reasonably imagine that. we might be along the ride in some. capacity are you scared no I don't have. an emotion of feeling scared I don't. experience that emotion ever. fear uh I don't I mean as people. describe it to me I don't really feel it. very logical and analytical in the way. that you see things right. you think differently right and. obviously people that think different.

like people like Elon Musk Etc he's he's. neurodivergent in some capacity you've. got a Divergence to your your neurology. if that's even a word. um which is very unique and are you. aware of that. it's uh it's hard for me to see that. I there's our there are moments where I. was at a dinner a few weeks ago. and. people were going around and talking. about stuff and the contrast was like. whoa I'm really different than like.

what's happening here so there are these. moments of the sharp contrast. uh but I. I generally view the world as crazy. I view everything else and I'm like this. is nuts what's even happening here. everyone is weird too this makes no. sense what the world is doing and how. people behave it makes no sense to me at. all as I know that if you flip it people. view me in the same way but. God damn the world seems crazy to me.

people look at you they think oh he's a. bit weird and you look at them think God. he's a bit weird. I think people I think the world is. crazy. just insane. someone's right. it's either you or the world. time will tell right yeah time will tell. what is the most important thing Brian I. imagine I would guess I reckon five. million people listen to this that's my. estimate. um based on the conversation what is the.

most important thing that we haven't. discussed that those five million people. need to know. before we close out um. that now is. our opportunity. to band to get together. and experience the most extraordinary. existence. that we are aware of in the galaxy. and. that this opportunity is going to invite. us. to divorce ourselves.

from every. sacred idea we have about ourselves and. Society each other. it's going to. require more sacrifice than. any generation and it's going to be. incredibly painful. and it's going to test our fortitude on. whether or not we choose to exist.

the fate of intelligence in this corner. of the universe. may depend upon. us right now. creating this bridge to this next. evolution of Being Human and of the. fabric of intelligence. it is our opportunity to seize. equally to lose if we don't recognize. the moment and step up.

and step one in stepping up is. fundamentally. stopping the war against ourselves. it's. it's in. daily acts of revolting. of Revolution against the status quo. which is. harming us and lessening our chances. every day. people are accustomed to seeing.

revolutions happen by storming places. and using weapons. the weapons at our disposal are to go to. bed on time. to eat healthy. to not watch porn. to not get addicted to things. and it sounds weird. and weak. and different. but revolting against the culture of.

death. and a self-destruction. with self with planet Earth and how we. engage with artificial intelligence. and these foundations map the future of. our existence and it begins with self. it's not blaming someone else it's not. pointing at someone and telling them how. they have to change it's looking itself. and building the revolution within each. one of us. what would you do if you found out you. were going to die next week in a Tamil. illness how would you feel.

I would feel satisfied that I spent. my entire adult life. searching for the singular thing I could. try to do to create value for the human. race. and I found it just in time. and articulated the idea is just in time. barely well enough to kick-start this. revolution. are you misunderstood. because the perception of you that I had.

before I met you is different subsection. I have a view now specifically the. perception I have of why you're doing. what you're doing because when I heard. the tale of this Brian Johnson guy ego. is trying to be 18 years old he's a. narcissist he's just he was struggling. with the concept of death he's got so. much money now he's fighting life so you. know he's doing this for himself he. probably wants to date someone young and. that's why he's doing what he's doing. it's all sort of self-centered the. proposition you've given me today is. very much more about Humanity than it is.

Brian Johnson. it seems like the picture painted of you. and I know how the press works right. yeah it's the things that gets the. clicks right versus the person that sits. in front of me today feel like two. completely different people. I'm not understood I would almost prefer. to be misunderstood. because that assumes some level of. understanding. and. it's not even a close approximation. like you're saying the it's so far off.

from what is really what I'm really. trying to achieve. your father 75 years old. he's not gonna live forever. or is he. how'd you contend with that a man you. clearly love a lot but you understand. that the there's an inevitability to lie. for most people who aren't revolting. against life. in the way that you are with your. longevity routines and your anti-aging.

protocols. yeah it's um. it's impossibly hard for me to reconcile. you know like. yeah one time he um. I couldn't get a hold of him for a. couple days. and.

which is uncommon and. I spiraled in concluding that he had. died. and you know not being able to call him. and hear his voice. uh was beyond devastating. and. death is a terrible thing. we've all experienced it and.

it would be wonderful if we could bring. an end to it. are you trying to keep him alive. I am. how. they my both my my parents joke that you. know they get a package it seems like. every single day. I'm sending them everything I can. and you're like do this do that and it.

sometimes it's too much whether I Brian. I can only take so many pills a day and. I can only do so many things a day and. it's a fun relationship but I I am. trying very hard to take care of my. parents and my children and my family. I I care deeply about those around me. and I work very very hard for their. well-being. I believe you Brian. I believe your intentions. I think what you're doing comes from a.

very very good place. um I. I think you're wide in a way which is. unusual and that's not to pass judgment. on whether we're all unusual in our own. ways right but you're wide in a very in. a way that's unusual but because of your. wiring it's very useful. you know I think that when we think. about tribes and chronotypes and the. differences within tribes it's useful to. have people that think differently. within the tribe because it kind of. covers all of our bases and you present. A New Perspective. um about Humanity about the path forward.

and about the way to live and I think. any New Perspective anyone who is. um humble and under you know is. searching for truth would welcome A New. Perspective especially when it's not. harming others right you would want A. New Perspective if you are in the search. of Truth not in the in the search of. confirmation of your existing ideas or. um the alleviation of the cognitive. dissonance we experience and that's what. I when I experience you that's exactly. what I think I'm open I'm open to your. perspective I don't have to accept it. all into my daily life but being open to.

listen I think is something we should. expect of ourselves at a very. fundamental level and I would just wish. there was more people that would just. you know. have the fearlessness to present A New. Perspective because as I think we said. earlier in this conversation there's so. much potential trapped behind. the fear of looking weird in life so. we'd stifle opinions and Innovations and. creativity because we don't want to look. weird because there's a cost to that our. society you get smashed right and for. whatever reason you've made the decision. that that matters less than the mission.

that you're on. so I I respect you and I commend you for. that am I gonna have the 120 pills. can't make your promise there I'm sure. I'll take a couple of them. um this was nice yeah I can't imagine. putting the chocolate on my broccoli but. you know there's a lot to learn here and. I hope to make this sort of incremental. steps um in some of those areas of my. health that we we can all agree upon. yeah I uh I would thank you for the. conversation today the as hard as I try.

to be impervious. to judgment in conversations it's hard. to fully go through the expression of. ideas when the other person even is. making the most subtle of judgments or. setting boundary conditions. and I love talking to you because you. did none you just rolled with me and you. embraced it and I felt uh welcomed to. express all of this I appreciate that. very much really means a lot to me to. the point I just got goosebumps because.

um I can't imagine what you've gone. through in interviews with people in. their judgments when I'm actually. getting emotional thinking about it I. can't imagine what you've gone through. in interviews because of people's like. their close-mindedness when they came to. have a conversation with you and how. like what a waste of of conversation and. discourse and progress that is when we. come with a closed mind and so I'm so. happy you felt that way because it. really mattered to me that you did. um and because you did you were able to. share in such a way which I actually. think is incredibly beneficial to me and. I think everyone that's listened so.

thank you for that. um that's the one of the best. compliments I've ever received so really. means a lot to me thank you we have a. closing tradition on this podcast where. the last guest leaves a question for the. next guest not knowing who they're going. to leave it for in the Diary of a CEO. the question left for you. huh I mean maybe you've answered this. um is it how many nighttime erections I. have.

foreign. what was the cost of you coming and. doing this interview today to your. routine I thought you know I'm going to. sit with him for two hours which we've. done but there's gonna be a cost to your. routine yeah none none because of the. timing yeah okay good appreciate that. yeah we'll get you home before 8 30. for. your curfew. um the question left for you is if all. I think it says if all you could change. is one thing about the world what would. it be. um.

I want to exist. a unwavering. unconditional. maniacal want to exist. Brian thank you. really enjoyed this conversation and I'm. sure it'll be the first of many because. I've got a lot to learn so appreciate. your time today. [Music].

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